h2-builds-and-combat

[civic ocean]

The patch didn't help either sadly

[tender anvil]

Well, I recon the boon patch is coming soon-ish, with severe nerfs, so high fear will get much harder

[civic ocean]

I don't think SGG are a very nerf-heavy sort of balance studio, right?

[plain fossil]

The definition of high fear might just shift over time

I dont disagree that some boons are out of line but against that u also got EM coming at some point which will give u fear flexibility even if its not necessarily easy/requires learning curve

[tall notch]

According to h2 discussion atm, high fear is 16 when you pick blood 3 + suffering 2

[wind kettle]

wait, i just activated coarse grit, got all my dds up and tartarus up next, will be this my 45fear run

[civic ocean]

huh

[plain fossil]

Tbf i might potentially fail a run if i clicked blood3 suffering2 and no other vows

I would hope i dont suck that bad but i mean if im doing sane things i dont click both of those till 40+

[wind kettle]

bro i might just finish this

[past salmon]

I was doing 32F speedruns for a bit and max blood + suffering is optimal 💀
I died more than a couple times im ngl

[restive bolt]

are there any ways to make infusion boons more common? i'm trying to build hera/demeter/idk haephestus axe to get coarse grit

[wind kettle]

don't think there's any way to force an infusion other than picking the gods

[civic ocean]

Ironically there are some outside ways to do it

Basically don't ever increase your rare chance, and when appropriate take the chaos curse that locks you out of rare and epic boons

Infusions are coded to be common

[silent crow]

does winter coat cheese suffering

[civic ocean]

nah, you need to take dmg

[restive bolt]

crazy, good to know. thank you!!

[civic ocean]

A good way to do it if you have Forsaking and are at Fields and don't have it yet (and haven't lost a bunch of DDs and need that boon)

Reroll the fields miniboss into Demeter, take an earth boon, and then have Echo give you Demeter again - you'll have an even higher chance to get CG

[tame spindle]

coarse grit does though as well as trusty shield and mint condition if you dont get hit

[tall notch]

click vow of forsaking, it cant force duos/legendaries anymore but it can force infusions

[civic ocean]

Also things like Trials can't give you duos but they can give you infusions

Trials if you can manage them are very good for Coarse Grit

[silent crow]

infusions are prety common so js lucking into them is reasonable

[civic ocean]

Always disrespect Hera she's the easiest to avoid

Never disrespect Demeter that lady crazy she'll kill u and ur friends

[tame spindle]

hera's actually killed me more in erebus than anyone else because i end up underestimating her and her stupid camouflaging lightning

[civic ocean]

Demeter's cyclones are actually invisible I stg

[plain fossil]

I end up clicking demeter quite a bit if i dont have revenants

[summer heart]

i sincerely hope they make hera's trial harder. of all the gods, pissing her off should be a problem

[civic ocean]

Some of them are way harder for technical reasons

[plain fossil]

The telegraph is pretty obvious and also very slow, much slower than heph or zeus which are for me often up with demeter

[civic ocean]

Like Aph wouldn't be that hard except her hearts don't slow down for Sorc

[plain fossil]

Some ppl rly hate aph i dont mind it tho

[limpid coral]

then there's poseidon who just spawns stuff on top of you 💀

[civic ocean]

HAHA YES

[plain fossil]

There is a telegraph its sometimes not easy to see tho

[civic ocean]

Does anyone else feel like Poseidon is like way dumber in h2 vs h1

[plain fossil]

He's slower i think

[civic ocean]

No like his dialogue and stuff he's way more himbo in h2 I feel

[plain fossil]

I consider poseidon to be the easiest trial on most weapons with hera

Oh, i dont read that stuff sry

[tame spindle]

he's quite dumb in h1

he just has less to actually talk about so its not as obvious!

[summer heart]

yeah idk he was pretty firmly the Goofy Uncle in 1

[low bear]

Hephy is by far the easiest trial in my experience

[tame spindle]

apollo, hephy, pos, all the same

[low bear]

apollo seems way faster than hephy

[tame spindle]

hera i dont like in erebus because the visibility is not there i keep running into it

[low bear]

and Hephy has that sound cue making it easier to predict

[tame spindle]

aphrodite is also still fine

the ones i avoid are hestia zeus and demeter

[low bear]

I don't like aphro because the hearts don't slow sown when charging omega, same with pos

Zeus is by far the hardest imo, it's so fast

omega builds are kinda screwed with Zeus

[tame spindle]

zeus is the worst yeah and then demeter close after and then hestia because shes annoying

especially with revs

[limpid coral]

zeus spawns like two sets of four circles at a time so u just gotta wait it out

pretty annoying

[low bear]

the tracking is pretty ridiculous though and you have to manage fighting enemies as well

[limpid coral]

yea in a small room it sucks

[tired fulcrum]

Zeus trial sucks

[bleak night]

Did you get blasted

[digital hazel]

is poseidon the only cast that works with momus staff?

[tired fulcrum]

Ig the only one that affects the extra omegas but like idk zeus cast would prob work just as well

[plain fossil]

Poseidon cast is the only one that doesnt have a massive lag on it

[steel sequoia]

doesnt it only procs in the first like everyone else? the momus just spam the regular cast damage.

afaik the poseidon cast is hella bugged

[tame spindle]

ive tried the poseidon cast a while ago when momus rework dropped and it worked fine but it was just rly underwhelming

[steel sequoia]

i mean its suppose to trigger once like all the others, so its just bad anyways

[tired fulcrum]

anyways circe is better

[tame spindle]

i mean it triggers 3 times as u would expect it to but the damage output isnt what u would want because it knocks enemies away from it

[bleak night]

That's true, yeah

Momus' Cast thingie feels like a bit of an afterthought rn

I'd focus Attack and Special Omegas on it for the most part

[oblique ruin]

ayyy i finally got a w on charon...

[bleak night]

Nice, what were you running ?

[oblique ruin]

primarily lightning lance and storm ring flutter strike, oh man iwish I can just send a pic hahaha. but escalating ambush plus backstab was huge

[bleak night]

Huh ?

[tired fulcrum]

Wut

[bleak night]

I think that's a Blade aspect rather than Charon Axe

[oblique ruin]

i run daggers if thats what you are asking?

[bleak night]

Yeah but I asked what you were running on Charon

[oblique ruin]

oh did I say charon i meant to say chronos... rip...

[bleak night]

oops lol

[oblique ruin]

i was so hype i fumbled

i dont think i ever beat charon in the first one...

[tall notch]

@bleak night is the best coach fr
if I wasn't tipsy I would've probably made 40f charon

[bleak night]

let's try again soon lol

[tall notch]

choked on cerb so hard 😭

[tall notch]

sure, when im sober you're surely gonna coach me to 48f or something

[bleak night]

doable

[tall notch]

what do you think about silver wheel on charon? is it viable?

[bleak night]

viable, yeah. Optimal? idts

[tall notch]

just for like erebus so that you dont have to start with a gain

[bleak night]

are you planning to run Erebus without a god keepsake ?

[tall notch]

and onion doesnt mean you are running oom

[tall notch]

eventually the right god is gonna show up if you keep resetting right

(the right god = hera)

[bleak night]

fair enough lol

[tall notch]

I've not cleared anything above 32f since my break, I def need practice first lol

[bleak night]

That's what coaching sessions are for

[tall notch]

silver wheel will become meta one day, I trust

[bleak night]

It'd be interesting if they made it so equipping it allows you to keep that regen until it runs out, even when you swap that keepsake out

[tall notch]

True!! Then u could click wheel in Oceanus and diff keepsake in fields

[bleak night]

time to click hammer

[plain fossil]

wheel is gonna be heaps better once they rework panic trust

[tall notch]

Or chaos or pin

[limpid coral]

sucks that wheel doesnt work with panic :( same with circe

what if wheel let you go into mana debt

[low bear]

Mana will be reworked trust

[carmine crest]

doubt

[low bear]

Many MP builds feel like they'll be so painful when Born Gain is nerfed at high fear

And when arrogance is fixed

[plain fossil]

builds that use a ton of mana with no downtime like moros are going to hurt

builds that either dont use a ton of mana or can live with a bit of downtime like charon i think will be much more ok

[low bear]

I think many of the other gain boons are annoying to work with

An unseen buff could also go a long way

[plain fossil]

yea they are but u can get by with fluid or hearth gain a lot of the time

the others range between narrow, undertuned, or both

[heady skiff]

i didn't figure out until now

aspect of charon on the axe explodes the cast instantly

not adds the cast damage to all of the axe explosions

[bleak night]

Yeah, lol

[plain fossil]

Cast = blown

Mind = blown

[heady skiff]

as if every special explosion was the cast exploding with it

[bleak night]

Charon's my 2nd fave rn

[heady skiff]

yeah it feels a lot better now that i've figured that out

i already felt pretty good about it before

[plain fossil]

I like charon its a powerful weapon with obvious problems that u need to solve in ur run

[bleak night]

You need help with a build ?

[heady skiff]

nah i just wanted to express my experience with it

[bleak night]

Ooh, yeah I see. It's pretty good as an alternative to melee axe gameplay tbh

[heady skiff]

i've had a good time with like, hera for born gain and demeter for everything else

plus whatever incidental stuff like apollo special

[plain fossil]

Sounds reasonable

[wild swan]

Demeter so good

[bleak night]

sounds like you already know how to build it, so you're all set lol

[heady skiff]

👍

[plain fossil]

Theres a lot of ways to build charon thats one of the more efficient ones

[bleak night]

The two gameplay builds for it are just

1. Anything else
2. Apollo Cast

[heady skiff]

apollo cast makes a lot more sense on it to me now

[bleak night]

I still don't like it too much

[plain fossil]

Local climate:(

[bleak night]

I prefer rapidly deploying it rather than let it sit there and blast an area

[bleak night]

Oh, yeah that's true lol.

[heady skiff]

oh sorry i meant

the apollo boon that makes the cast grow, not the actual cast boon thing

am i thinking of the right thing

[bleak night]

Oh, I think that's alright. My issue with it is that it takes a bit to grow rather than instant

[tired fulcrum]

I wish super nova didnt expand the cast slower on charon

[bleak night]

I'd be down to nerf the numbers on that if it meant it was instantly larger on plop

[heady skiff]

like you wish it would grow the thing the same rate just for longer? that'd be nice lol

[tired fulcrum]

Like charon halves the growth rate

[heady skiff]

maybe to keep it balanced it could grow at the same pace and just stop at whatever the max is supposed to be

[plain fossil]

I just want it to grow in 3 seconds instead of 6 yea

[heady skiff]

but honestly i feel like the charon hammer is already strong

[plain fossil]

And stop at 3 regardless, pretty sure the hera cast has the same interaction

[bleak night]

Charon's going to be a lot stronger when the surface is finished rather than the UW, which I'll be pretty excited about

[plain fossil]

If anybody ever clicked hera cast we could find out for sure

[tired fulcrum]

Hera cast grows normally for 3 seconds then stops

[plain fossil]

Is that right

I feel like theres some places i could click hera cast and not have it be horrendous

Maybe if the little lasers applied hitch

[low bear]

Demeter feels better than any other + torential duo

I used to be an Apollogist for Charon aspect but Demeter cast is so much better not having to wait for the explosion to end

[bleak night]

pretty much, yeah

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah you can just explode 2 extra casts in the time it takes apollo to go off

actually i wonder if timeslow nerfs apollo cast too

Okay it doesnt

Why tf does it nerf zeus cast then

Oh charon makes heph cast tick slower too

[bronze bear]

yeah I've stopped playing Apollo cast on Charon because it usually just sits there doing nothing for 2 seconds

none of the other casts seem useful except Zeus and Poseidon

[tired fulcrum]

Zeus doesnt do anything unless you manually omega and poseidon nerfs your damage

[bronze bear]

then it's just random useless cast boon lmao

[bronze bear]

does Apollo's omega cast follow you if exploded with Charon's omega special with Local Climate?

[tired fulcrum]

No

[bronze bear]

yeah I thought so

[tired fulcrum]

Local climate is free damage for charon tho

Tho like only ~50-75 ig

[bronze bear]

yeah just trying to optimize cast boons on Charon

[tired fulcrum]

You mostly just grab dem cast

[bronze bear]

so its just for origination

[tired fulcrum]

Easy origination due to freeze and cyclones, dem in pool is good cause triple earth/coarse grit op, and access to torrential downpour

[bronze bear]

yeah I always get dem anyway

[pallid cypress]

Got a question, what do you do against Eris' shotgun barrage? It seems like dashes don't give enough time to get to cover at some positions, or to dash through or away from the waves

[tired fulcrum]

You can just get close and walk around her

[pallid cypress]

Ah, makes sense

[bronze bear]

you can cheese eris by attacking her through a pillar, or dashing through her

[tired fulcrum]

If shes standing in fire then gotta get away or behind a pillar yeah

[pallid cypress]

Thanks+

[tame spindle]

the point of charon is to trigger the cast with ur special, and apollo's omega cast has the highest damage output with charon

[plain fossil]

er well

[bronze bear]

yeah but I get faster clears without it than with it

[plain fossil]

highest damage per button press is not the same thing as highest damage per second

[bronze bear]

Apollo's cast would probably make more sense once Born Gain is no longer infinite magick

[tame spindle]

fair enough. what actually deals the most damage on charon then?

[wild pine]

Something that curses

So you get +50% of the 350 base pop

Dem, aphro, hestia in that order of oreference IMO

[tame spindle]

hestia is a bit interesting but i see the vision

ive had my most successful runs mainly with either apollo or demeter on cast and then hera on special because when you build apollo cast it shreds through everything you'd want anyways

[wild pine]

Apollo cast is nice in that it saves both mana and effort recasting. But unless you get a really good one the single target dps for sky laser is worse than just spam chaining omega dunks, I think

And while in some encounters the large continuous laser burn will clear faster, in others more bursts repositioned more frequently is the way

[tame spindle]

i mean i havent had any issues taking a barely built sky laser to upwards of 40 heat but i also dont pay attention to the actual numbers going on in the game most of the time. ill agree that freeze at least might be better though the utility is so useful

[broken escarp]

I think in karl jobst's video he put it best by saying at the end "if It were any harder it may never have been done, and if it were any easier it just wouldn't be as special"

[past salmon]

Guys I've got a new Strat for 50F
Die to a hippo and then bring evil eye
I'm a genius

[tired fulcrum]

if anyone deserves divine retribution its the hippos

[bronze bear]

onion is so harsh, I have like 4 olympus boons by Cerberus

[past salmon]

Yeh don't click onion

[bronze bear]

i don't have a choice lol, I'm trying 48F charon

[modern wadi]

nem showing up and ruining my echo encounter when i could use the DD makes me like her less ngl

[civic ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/luigi-that-is-cinema-mario-super-mario-bros-commercial-gif-1104736381557132611

[bleak night]

losing my mind on trying to 50F Blades, it seems impossible

[past salmon]

Genuinely why are you even bothering to try 😭

[bleak night]

It's the only one left to not have it done

[tender anvil]

Mynt, did you see the winter coat tech yesterday?

[past salmon]

tech is a funny way to say bug exploit

[bleak night]

Which one is that ?

[tender anvil]

Clever use of in-game mechanics!

[past salmon]

actually did you F10 that

[tender anvil]

This

[tender anvil]

I was too busy dying in Oceanus

[bleak night]

Oh, it blocks the timer damage if it's meant to kill you ? Interesting

[tender anvil]

Rather, it leaves you on 1hp and doesn’t let you die

[bleak night]

Just don't get hit taken to a whole new level

[tender anvil]

But yeah, your wording is correct I guess

Hecate is kinda alright if you just take it slow

My deaths are usually due to trying to make it quick

[tired fulcrum]

Its legit just athena legendary bug again

[tender anvil]

Was it present in release H1, or just in EA?

[tired fulcrum]

I think its still a thing

[tender anvil]

So it’s a feature!

[past salmon]

Sure
Go with that

[tender anvil]

Wonder if 0 timer Chronos is doable with Winter Coat + Coarse Grit + Pin

[tired fulcrum]

Just dont get the tart room 5 unlimited armored tempus and bag spam

[tender anvil]

Ah, room RNG, my beloved. The variance in enemy density is way too high, it makes or breaks the run. Not limited to Erebus, Oceanus and Tartarus too

[tame spindle]

there is no way 😭😭😭😭

respect honestly

[tender anvil]

Opens up a lot more 50’s imo!

Until it gets fixed

[tame spindle]

it actually does

u add mint condition and you probably don't get hit in rooms at all

then u play bosses with lovers and u just have to be super careful in tartarus

[tender anvil]

Lovers doesn’t help much - Winter Coat gets popped before Lovers charges

[tame spindle]

oh

regardless just be better

[tender anvil]

But honestly, it’s mostly just Hecate tech atm, as Erebus timer is the most egregious

[tame spindle]

yeah thats actually insane tech if it doesnt get fixed and honestly i hope not

its still an equal challenge u just have a slightly higher chance of survival

[tender anvil]

Every little bit helps, honestly. Allowed me to start making it through Erebus at least twice as often

[past salmon]

I mean I hope it does
At the end of the day its still an unintended bug
And I disagree with it being an equal challenge

But yeah its cool ig

@sly plume #h2-feedback message
Your attacks will now explode if you special into the edge of the water
Sea serpents are no longer an issue

[plain fossil]

man when ur run ends to a trial effect the god that killed u talks some mad sh1t at u

i didnt know and now i feel bad

[tame spindle]

HAHAHAH

[tender anvil]

Yet another reason earth trio is the best - hera and heph trials are pretty much free

[past salmon]

Yeah I unfortunately already knew this 😭

[plain fossil]

i just took 120 from a hera trial i dont wanna talk about it

[tame spindle]

was it in erebus

the visibility of those lightning rods is so bad in trials i actually cant even see them in erebus especially with revs and commotion to worry about i just walk into it or it spawns on top of me

[plain fossil]

no oceanus

[tame spindle]

its all blue anyways

[west belfry]

random thought
||chronos dark spot 1 hit kill|| attack is just slightly fancier Hades laser function-wise isn't it?
First time I see it I was kind of eh while others didn't like it.

[past salmon]

uhhh I guess maybe?

idk lol
I think most people are fine with the 1 hit kill attacks they aren't particularly hard to avoid

And since people couldnt seem to figure out how they work they have done the equivalent of a big red arrow pointing to where they should stand so

[tame spindle]

i mean room clear attacks and really big aoe attacks are present all throughout this game (and also are not an uncommon move in other games too)

[bronze bear]

If all your Arcanas except Judgment are level 2, does rank 3 Crystal Figurine guarantee Judgment?

though killing Hecate in 5 minutes without any Arcana nor a starting keepsake is going to be tough at 50+ fear

[tender anvil]

Iirc Crystal Figurine doesn’t work this way. I had it provide arcana at a level different from what I had in Crossroads

[bronze bear]

huh, how does it work then? forcibly upgrade an arcana card to epic for this run?

51+ fear just sounds impossible anyway lol

[robust prism]

yeah it doesn't matter what level you actually have the arcana at, crystal figurine is just gonna change it for the run

[past salmon]

🙂

[bronze bear]

triple divide

[robust prism]

vampiric cataclysm is actually amazing

one oceanus room with a bunch of the small fish and you can basically heal all your health despite 50% vow of scars

[bronze bear]

hippos are overpowered

[robust prism]

not sure if vow of scars even affects it

[bronze bear]

they flee from you, they have homing attacks that explode on contact with frinos and deal 48, they have a delayed revenant spawn, they have infinite health

what's not to like?

[robust prism]

yeah they're incredibly annoying

[tender anvil]

Is there something you want to tell us?)

[past salmon]

🙂

ya know what
Sometimes Judgement really does just do ya dirty huh
Its fine
who needs DDs anyway
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1246695893361496087/1253651882501472336/20240621200417_1.jpg?ex=6676a1cc&is=6675504c&hm=dd43d1d71a24202ed9da696ffc14ebcdbb6b80633ffc125c552d5760e18ee85b&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1246695893361496087/1253652311138631792/image.png?ex=6676a232&is=667550b2&hm=2b3f0f8e160204991168d498b68421e7c3d3119009ffa89ce3747ad7aff35c17&
I have now also learnt this can be offered even if you dont have DDs
Lol

[tall notch]

Are you doing this thing again

[past salmon]

I decided to do Medea 40F Judgement cuz someone in here was talking about Judgement 24F being too hard or smth

[bronze bear]

I think Judgement 51F is too hard

[knotty fulcrum]

anyone runs strength over like boatman?

[past salmon]

I tried it for a while

[tall notch]

Mayyyybe with antler

[past salmon]

I ended up choosing Boatman for 50F clears tho
Strength is kinda just ehh

Its definitely good but its not always going to get value

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1246695893361496087/1253653416711032873/20240621201051_1.jpg?ex=6676a33a&is=667551ba&hm=4ab2f89c571c2542649e90582fa57b9cc7dee7ec333f106cf0861513292455cf&
Also Medea is so easy guys
40F Medea with no DDs incoming trust

[tall notch]

Boatman is just so good. It enables the reroll corner and guarantees you'll afford Erebus mid-shop

[knotty fulcrum]

are you running max scars?

[past salmon]

yeh

ok lol I actually did it

[bleak night]

sometimes, yeah

[past salmon]

I do love seeing my own improvement at the game

[bleak night]

It's really situational, though

[past salmon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1253654643175849996/20240621201533_1.jpg?ex=6676a45e&is=667552de&hm=87cbd5c8fa166b79315261a32cf1fdade645386ad2a56a0b59d8064b063ab7ce&

[bleak night]

Oh, are you doing a judgment run ?

[past salmon]

Guys Judgement is clearly OP it just made me win without DDs trust

[bleak night]

that's cracked lol

[tall notch]

DDs overrated clearly

Just don't get hit

[past salmon]

Also apparently judgement just hates giving me origination lol
I did a couple 32s before and didnt get it in any of those either

[bleak night]

legitimately wondering if it's feasible for a dd change where you just have 1 normally, and Eternity grants you +2, rather than 0 normally and +3 from Eternity

[past salmon]

I like it

[bleak night]

it'd make 55 feel so much better to try for

[tall notch]

The numbers won't check out with arcana upgrades. Now it gives one dd per rank

[past salmon]

oh true

[bleak night]

Hmmm

[tall notch]

But I'd be a fan of very weak DDS being base (something like ress with 10% hp left) and the arcana boosting that amount by 10% per rank

[past salmon]

just give 66% of a DD per rank ez

[tall notch]

Right now the dd arcana is just too mandatory which I don't like

[past salmon]

wdym? clearly it isnt
Didnt you see my run

smh my 4head
silly billy

[tall notch]

You got carried by judgement, doesn't count

[past salmon]

So true 😭

also I wish I was recording because I think lovers might be bugged with something I had

[bleak night]

What happened there ?

[past salmon]

because everytime I got into a fight all of my lovers barriers just died instantly 💀

Might be Medea specific cuz it was when I was specialing into them
Ill test

[tall notch]

Btw I just realised how drunk I must have been by the end of last night. When dming someone, I used {} instead of normal parentheses and saw nothing wrong with that lmao

[past salmon]

btw I had like 8 useless Arcanas from judgement

[tall notch]

Judgement doesn't give origination, that's a well known fact

[past salmon]

Sorceress, Huntress did nothing cuz I was fully primed when I got it, Unseen, Night, Moon, Excellence cuz I already had proper upbringing when I got it
Only got 1 use out of artificer and it gave max magick

like I actually got utter garbage 😭

[tall notch]

Obviously you don't need arcana. Just run 53f already

[past salmon]

So true

[knotty fulcrum]

can you get second hammer before fields?

[past salmon]

Dont think so
Unless like keepsake ig lol
I assume you mean as a room reward

[knotty fulcrum]

yeah. ok thanks

[past salmon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1246695893361496087/1253657146705580092/image.png?ex=6676a6b3&is=66755533&hm=c9aea8f55d647cb66e7e5032a338a4d749f336ac040e236ca0ac99be16b61702&
Also pretty minor thing but its kinda goofy how Vows that only go up to Rank 2 are shown as blue/rare in this screen lol
Especially since a lot of the ones that only go to rank 2 can be the hardest
Or like abandon existing with only 1 rank showing as white 💀

[robust prism]

man I love the moros torches so much

they just carried me to my first 40f win

[knotty fulcrum]

gg. my first 40f was also moros i think

[past salmon]

Moros do go crazy

[robust prism]

you can just take dominance 3 + rebuke 2 and you barely feel it

[tall notch]

My first 40f was old Eos
I miss u, old Eos 🥺

[knotty fulcrum]

are mel torches + that hammer as good as old eos?

[robust prism]

no

the hammer is pretty bad tbh

[low bear]

gahd 45F Pan is so painful

[bleak night]

high fear on that weapon is painful

Even the 48 fear ""unseeded"" Artemis run on the leaderboard is a guy giving up 2x even with an Explosive Ambush start hammer

[low bear]

48 Artemis is crazy

and what's giving up 2x

[bleak night]

No Born Gain from room 3-4 Hera, so he gives up and redoes the run with the same seed (room 1 hammer with Explosive Ambush)

[low bear]

damn

[bleak night]

also your submission had the wrong keepsake btw I think, though it's no problem so dw

[low bear]

daggers might be worse than staff at high fear ngl

[low bear]

oh I actually didn't know which to put the opening or the last keepsake?

[bleak night]

people usually submit their final keepsake in the run as the icon that goes into your run overlay

[low bear]

ahhh

[bleak night]

yeah, usually the Tartarus one. No problem though dw, just something for next time

[low bear]

sure sure I'll keep it in mind, I figured the opening keepsake is usually more important than the last one LOL

[tall notch]

Mel torch has comparable (if not better) power level thanks to the buffed attack, but it lacks the smoothness of old Eos playstyle

[past salmon]

yeh that run is actually seeded which is funny but eh who cares at this time lol

[knotty fulcrum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1240383792884093038/1253663153578053744/image.png?ex=6676ac4b&is=66755acb&hm=999c2f41ef756c3d7eb6058066f78f050cbd9f397f6b3023e35c3513daa9e01d& might've been a bit lucky with hammers

[tall notch]

I feel stupid doing all of my submitted runs actually unseeded, with recorded deaths and all when some people just don't care

[past salmon]

It will become more of a thing in full release when people actually start caring about the leaderboards more
Plus I do it for myself

[bleak night]

yeah, true

[knotty fulcrum]

I used the wrong keepsake too

[bleak night]

can't wait to die inside attempting 50 + EM4

[low bear]

50 + whatever EM4 is or 50 with EM4?

If Chronos has a phase 3 the clock might really become a serious issue for most weapons

[bleak night]

50 with EM4

[bleak night]

that's true, yeah. I'd still attempt for a while though

[low bear]

that sounds easier if you can ease off on the deadline NGL, well depends on how hard the EMs are

EM1-EM2 was basically free in H1 and EM3 was free after a few tries

EM4 still goes hard tho to be honest I never truly mastered that

[bleak night]

yeah 28 minutes to complete a run for maybe 57 Fear might be easier than 50 with 5 mins/area ngl

[past salmon]

I mean I will probably try 50+EM when it comes
I think it will be rough but I have a 50F win with time on the clock so

[low bear]

yeah it could still be done with the stronker weapons like Moros

but I'm assuming Moros gets nerfed a bit by then

[bleak night]

managed to do 50 with an extra 50 seconds on Axe, so I feel like it'd be doable

[low bear]

depends how much time wasting Phase 3 Chronos will be I guess

[bleak night]

that or I can see them slightly nerfing Phase 1's HP. All in all EM4 Chronos with 3 phases has more HP than non-EM, but Phase 1 will have maybe 5k less HP

[low bear]

and the other EM bosses

[past salmon]

yeh
It will defs be possible on most weapons I think
Probs not Blades tho

[low bear]

I hope they get rid of Phase 1s 3 INVUL PHASES

[bleak night]

iirc EMs usually don't have more HP

[low bear]

1 invul phase at 50% should be enough

[past salmon]

tbf its like 2 and a half

[low bear]

ohhh I didn't know that, I assume EM4 doesn't count for that cause Phase 3

[bleak night]

Yeah, EM4 has more HP since it's a phase of its own

[low bear]

is one shorter than the other?

[past salmon]

at 50% he sort of just tps with a shield for a moment

[bleak night]

I'd be interested in seeing if they could maybe make separate triggers for the 4 EMs since there are 4 free slots on the Vow board

[past salmon]

he has the big long phase change with summoning enemies and shtuff at 75% and 25%

[low bear]

ahh true that's not as bad, still feels bad tho

[low bear]

I assume we'll also get things like MIddle Management added later on too

[bleak night]

That'd definitely need a change, but at the same time idt they will because they don't cater to people playing in maximum-level high fear all too much

iirc they balanced to around early 40s in H1 ?

[low bear]

imagine if EM Hecate spams triple divide even more

[low bear]

yeah I heard they never realy intended for 64 Heat to be beatable

[bleak night]

Wonder how long it'll take for people this time around for H2

[low bear]

if it's even possible

[bleak night]

Tbh we should probably wait for game mechanics and options to be finished before we think of that

[low bear]

true LO

[bleak night]

like, there are obvs two more familiars to get

[low bear]

one familiar will give you mana regen trust

[bleak night]

Cope, but also that'd be neat

[low bear]

feels like it was by a stroke of luck that 64H was theoretically (and later on actually beaten) beatable in H1

if they really don't consider max fear when designing vows then it might well be unbeatable even with like TAS or something

[bleak night]

True, but we'll definitely get close all the same

[low bear]

yeah it will just be the pesky edge case vows that will pose all of the problems

[bleak night]

only vow that's causing the issue is Abandon tbh

[low bear]

Abandon is no arcana?

[bleak night]

we've proven that 50 is pretty doable on 4 of 5 weapons already

[bleak night]

Yeah, the worst one tbh.

[low bear]

yeah having no arcana is a crazy vow

[bleak night]

I managed to do 50F twice on Than, but I'm having no luck with Mel or Charon

[low bear]

they should have at least allowed judgement to activate tbh

[low bear]

wow I thought Charon would be easier than Than

[bleak night]

True, it'd probably be better if that vow just disabled everything except Judgment

[bleak night]

Charon sucks vs Rebuke way more than Mel

[low bear]

but then judgement will be literal RNG hell whether you win a run or not lol

[low bear]

ah true Rebuke is just bruh for so many weapons

[bleak night]

Furthest I've gone was dying in Tartarus because the timer was really rough and I needed to start Barley Sheaf in order to shred blue hearts with Dem Cast, and even then I only got far because I lucked into Hera in a boss room

unlike the melee ones, it's useless without mana, so it ends up being really rough

Charon 48 on the surface is really easy compared to the other two though since Onion doesn't hurt you as much

the other two are still melee, so you suffer against Polyphemus and Thessaly bs

[low bear]

yeah I find surface enemies harder in general so Charon being safe is great

[bleak night]

Surface enemies I can see them tweaking still

Anchors do too much damage, even without suffering and blood enabled.

[low bear]

bruh the ephyria mini boss 💀

[bleak night]

I don't find that one all too awful, ngl. It has a disgustingly annoying blocking mechanic, but I find it worth going through

[past salmon]

I mean I think Max fear will be done whenever the vows are finished.
I don't think we will see that many more new ones and current max fear is doable so.
Abandon sucks but like, so did routine inspection and that was completed so 💀

[robust prism]

maybe Mel torches should be like your omega attack and omega special both last longer and both grow in size/damage

[tender anvil]

Just wish they would change the Mel torches identity from omega special to omega attack. We already have one omega special aspect in Moros, two seem excessive

Maybe “Omega attack is XX% faster”

[robust prism]

well I think it'd be perfect if it just kinda helps everything so you can just choose which one to play with

like "all your omega moves last x% longer and grow in size and damage" and full-grown damage is like +40% or something

[tender anvil]

Now that I think about it, I’m in favor of omega attack power for Meli. Momus reborn!

[robust prism]

and I wouldn't call Moros an omega special aspect given that the attack still deals almost all of the damage

[tender anvil]

Just try playing Moros without omega special, it’s horrendous

[robust prism]

get inverted spark and you (almost) have old Eos back too

[robust prism]

It's ok you can work around it but it's definitely not great yeah, but you don't necessarily need a special boon

is what I mean

like you just need to worry about buffing your attack damage really

[rigid raft]

does weed killer still amplify possessed array damage while i run a build with perma 0 magick?

[tall notch]

We have three omega special aspects atm. Eos wants you to go omega special spam mode when you send out your Daybreaker

So Mel being the dedicated attack aspect would be nice

Even if they just gave it larger attack projectiles with more damage as the aspect bonus and you had to rely on the hammer to get them coming back, that would be amazing

[robust prism]

yes I believe so

I still think my idea for Mel torches is a W

• It's still in the spirit of Mel aspects in the sense of being a pretty straightforward buff while at the same time being a bit more interesting than the average Mel aspect
• It allows for a variety of different playstyles, you could turn it into an omega attack, an omega special or potentially even an omega cast build
• It doesn't take anything away from the original Mel torch gameplay while also making old Eos enjoyers happy

[tender anvil]

What’s your favourite boss, and why is it Syrens?

Btw, does this channel allow sh1tposting?

[spare kite]

What's life without a bit of humour

[dim kestrel]

as long as the sh1t is spelled with a 1

[robust prism]

not what it's meant for but I don't think anyone really cares?

[spare kite]

Tbh my fav boss is eris lol

Sirens die a bit too quick sadly

[steel sequoia]

new eos is fun, i like it

[dim kestrel]

probably fits better in the general discussion channel rather than the builds and combat channel I guess, but, eh... long as it's not excessive, probably fine?

[steel sequoia]

tho i have to put it on autoaim/autoattack? to have a more smooth gameplay

[robust prism]

yeah I think so too

[tender anvil]

https://youtu.be/0OFrnJ_ZHgU?si=X-d7QaFEOGHRaCF-

This is what Peak Performance looks like

[dim kestrel]

Sirens are definitely the most entertaining boss from a non-gameplay standpoint

[steel sequoia]

coral crown is the best song

[spare kite]

Yeah sirens presentation is peak

[dim kestrel]

in terms of which fight is the most interesting/fun to play, uh.... I dunno, they all have their issues I think

[steel sequoia]

i mean if people like skullz and moros who am i to say otherwise

[spare kite]

I like the Chronos fight when using moros too (tempus don't exist)

[robust prism]

I like sirens gameplay wise too, generally I think fighting multiple bosses with distinct abilities at once is pretty cool

[dim kestrel]

this is definitely true once you've learned the fight, but they were actually the boss that it took me the most attempts to defeat the first time

which I guess probably means that they reward you the most for learning how they work?

I do think it's an interestingly constructed fight

if they'd had more HP it would have been even more frustrating early on

[spare kite]

Uh can't speak on that one lol
Got them all on 2nd/3rd try (underworld I mean/during eris influence)

[dim kestrel]

I think that's true for me for all of them except Sirens

and Eris. That also took some extra attempts

but not as many as Sirens for whatever reason

[spare kite]

Sirens are def the coolest first impression (though I am biased towards eris bc I love the idea of fighting the rail so much)

[dim kestrel]

I think I beat Hecate and Cerb in 2 attempts, Chronos in 3, Poly in 1

and Sirens in, like, 10

[spare kite]

Hecate I technically did it in 1 but I played the tech test and there I did it in 2

[dim kestrel]

Eris was probably 5 or something

[spare kite]

I think I did chronos in 3 too, two attempts with eris curse then won the next attempt

[tender anvil]

Eris is annoying in a bad way, with last (<10% hp) phase

[dim kestrel]

but those #s are definitely not good reflections of how hard they are overall... like, Polyphemus is easily the hardest now, outside Chronos... not that I die to him often but he majorly taxes health and DDs

[spare kite]

Nothing is gonna beat the scream I had when eris finally dipped from tartarus

[tender anvil]

She kills you so quickly, you have no idea what you died to and how to avoid it

[dim kestrel]

I think I got her down to around half or so on my first attempt, but obviously the last half is harder than the first

[robust prism]

I think I did hecate, sirens and polyphemus in 2 or 3 each, cerberus in 1, chronos in maybe like 4 and eris in maybe almost 10

[dim kestrel]

it took me a few tries before I realized the pillars were something I could make use of

which made a huge difference

[spare kite]

Idk how many it took me for eris I wanna say 3 maybe? Can't check rn

[spare kite]

Last phase is what stops me from removing my habit of spamming pause in some fights

[nocturne flint]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/902758325916139530/1253703556981329931/Screenshot_2024-06-21_232611.png?ex=6676d1ec&is=6675806c&hm=fbfe31262d70593a814e09c40d633444dc3cac5b691fd8991a93703506095b59& Chronos couldn't handle the storm ring.

[spare kite]

Did phial hit the cast or gale force (or whatever the dem boon is)

Oh that's lvl 1 phial lol

[nocturne flint]

whats phial?

[spare kite]

The keepsake

[nocturne flint]

oh i just added that to lvl it up

[steel sequoia]

storm ring 13 must been fun

surprised u did omega attack charon

[spark robin]

Anyone got a good build for 32 heat Torches?
If u have some time to explain it and go into the vows and arcana plz DM me

[dim kestrel]

yes, plenty of people

not me though :-)

[spare kite]

When in doubt, triple earth

[dim kestrel]

I think Zeus special + Hera attack with Moros is pretty popular

Demeter cast, Heph defensive toys

[spare kite]

Don't forget the born gain

[midnight gate]

Hestia torches are fun

[dim kestrel]

Arcana, I would guess something like:

Sorceress (1) |              |             |              | Messenger (0)
Furies    (2) | Titan    (2) |             |              | Lovers (2)
Runner    (1) | Eternity (4) | Centaur (0) |              | 
Fates     (3) | Boatman  (5) | Origin. (3) |              | 
Seer      (0) | Champs   (4) |             |              | 

would like to fit Huntress in there, but idk if it's worth giving up Furies and something else (Lovers? And then add in Wayward?)

[spare kite]

I like wayward over sorceress ngl (even on scars 2, tho is kinda a scam)

Also for moros you want huntress

[dim kestrel]

So do you drop Furies and Sorceress for Huntress?

[spare kite]

isn't that like 27 grasp, you can still fit huntress

[nocturne flint]

…I thought it was omega basic not special…

[robust prism]

Aspect of Moros is the strongest imo, you're gonna want to channel your omega special and then shoot your attacks into it at close range to enemies. Don't worry about using the omega attacks, just make sure you keep the omega special up. You're gonna want Hera's born gain and ideally also her attack. Demeter or Zeus special are very good or Demeter cast as well. Zeus's static shock is great too if you have enough max magic. For defensive boons, Hephy is very useful for stuff like trusty shield and mint condition and demeter again as well for coarse grit and winter coat. In terms of hammers clean candle is very good, clean helix too, a lot of hammers are good in general, just avoid origin coil and inverted spark. I'd personally recommend these arcana and fear setups: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/759825872068280371/1253709777901719676/image.png?ex=6676d7b7&is=66758637&hm=05d05d05803e17508ce151d58d17787581c75a3455a42a27b6772891f8d476ee&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/759825872068280371/1253709899599314955/image.png?ex=6676d7d4&is=66758654&hm=687854bc3d75113aa0a016013bb54fe23619863a718704ddd21077bf51f8257b&

[spare kite]

Is sorceress that important for moros?

[robust prism]

I don't think it's required or anything but I prefer having it on

[spare kite]

Fair

[robust prism]

I think it's more useful than swift runner probably

[dim kestrel]

I mean you're refreshing your omega special fairly often right, and you don't want to get hit while you're doing it

[spare kite]

I haven't used it in forever

[dim kestrel]

interesting that you're maxing Blood before touching Dominance or Commotion

[spare kite]

I like to special before enemies spawn and sorceress messes with that a bit

[robust prism]

I definitely don't like commotion when playing 5 min timer but with Moros you could probably reduce blood and put on some dominance yeah, mostly a matter of preference I guess

[dim kestrel]

and 5:00 timer... yikes. I guess Moros is pretty fast, but... I suppose the reason you're buffing enemy offense before defense or numbers must be the timer

[robust prism]

for my 40f I used this but with max dominance and max suffering and 1 haunting

[spare kite]

Yeah that part is mostly vibes
For me I'd drop price up lol, I love buying stuff

But I def wouldn't recommend it

[bleak night]

ooh you're getting into high fear now too ?

[robust prism]

a little lol

I probably won't go above 40 anytime soon though

[spare kite]

Random but the other day I finished up the trials and the game was so slow

Non-fury enemies are certainly a thing

[dim kestrel]

if we can get a long enough list of middle-aged gamers who've done high fear runs it could be "40 over 40s over 40"

[robust prism]

also yeah

Moros is one of the only aspects that can do it fairly comfortably I find

and it was more fun this way but I also understand turning off timer 3 and turning on dominance for 32

[bleak night]

Mel Skulls and Than Axe are among some of the ones I find that can do it comfortably

[steel sequoia]

im almost suitable, maybe 37 age 37 fear

[plain fossil]

do i gotta go over 40? man alright

i click one more thing

[fair dove]

is it even possible to get clean candle on aspect of moros or have i just been getting EXTREMELy unlucky

[steel sequoia]

i cant get it on eos, rng is harsh

[spare kite]

Clean candle is the mana reduction one? I've gotten it pretty sure

[robust prism]

I've been getting it on almost every run haha

[limpid coral]

are there any hammers that are aspect specific?

[robust prism]

so yeah seems like you're unlucky

[spare kite]

Atm I don't think so?

[steel sequoia]

sudden cleaver and clean candle are the ones i search the most usually

[low bear]

afaik there are no aspect specific hammers

though I REALLY wish they'd adjust the odds for obvious hammers

like Pan should have higher odds for Special related hammers

[steel sequoia]

should, but i think rng is fine in the end, or its always the same run

[low bear]

Hephy legendary should just give you a hammer straight up

I'm still disappointed Hephy doesn't interact with hammers in any way

[robust prism]

I really like the idea of hephy's current legendary except it wouldn't need to be a legendary

but rarities also wouldn't make sense for it so I guess it could be an infusion maybe?

[spare kite]

If lvl 6 wasn't a linear upgrade it'd be more fun I feel

[steel sequoia]

this should be better, but than a legendary rework including

tbh when they launch new gods they prolly will change infusion stuffs so i think this is postponed

[silent crow]

hephy legendary should js give you +4 levels or something

[tired fulcrum]

-.5 second momus cooldown

[low bear]

Hephy should have a secondary where his cooldown on atk/spec decreases when you kill an enemy

With the blast effect

[robust prism]

I do like that idea

[tired fulcrum]

Or just hitting stuff

[zenith bolt]

the concept of free will leaving my body as my staff starts shooting omega specials before i even realize i want to

[silent crow]

wtf does martial art seriously nor affect omegas

[spare kite]

Yup

[silent crow]

this game sucks

[steel sequoia]

didnt know that

[bronze bear]

wtf I didn't know that Asphodel ||has an alternate solution that saves an hour||, just ||don't stay inside the ring||

[steel sequoia]

took me like 120hs to learn that or something lmao

u lose the reward tho, sometimes its not important

[bronze bear]

it's never important enough at high fear

[steel sequoia]

yup u save time

[steel sequoia]

not the best dmg but its always fun https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684945888585842701/1253758037953482752/20240621140511_1.jpg?ex=667704a9&is=6675b329&hm=a86862b7e2b60e6a69194a8626cf298e60f623b4eef72f0ffd2e41b3c95a7400&

[bronze bear]

holy cow moros does so much damage

Is Chaos' Chant restricted to certain weapons? I've never even seen Chant in all my time playing Charon, then I switch to Moros and I get two of them? That just seems so unlikely

[spare kite]

Need an aether alement

[low bear]

you need at least one of the purple element as it's an infusion

you either got Creation or a Duo

[bronze bear]

damn I guess I never really got an early duo

wtf it's apparently possible for the 2nd room to not be a junk room too? I've never seen a god in room 2 in all my Charon runs either

[low bear]

Yeah it's possible I just had it but it's rare

[steel sequoia]

i have like 250+ runs and i swear i seen 2 good start rooms in like less than 5

[limpid coral]

dam 60% enemies with revs 2 is hell

[past salmon]

yes!

[limpid coral]

lul played a 32 moros run with that cause i wanted to see how not clicking blood or suffering would go and i did manage to check the heart throb duo off the list! but timed out on chronos lol

also timed out on scylla because of some truly awful oceanus rooms

[steel sequoia]

60% with rev and rebuke is mental disaster

[tender anvil]

It’s fine until you add tight deadline 5 to the mix

[silent crow]

simply dont. 1 hour misery run

[tender anvil]

I genuinely think a 7 min 47 is not too bad

[silent crow]

there was a 32f clear in this server with rebuke 2 comm 3 revs 2 with axe

[tender anvil]

Ah, Mynt did a 50 Fear with Thanatos

[civic ocean]

did it take 75 minutes

[silent crow]

60 min

[tender anvil]

Which is all that plus 5 min deadline

[silent crow]

mel and charon still havent tho right

[civic ocean]

yeah but not all of us can 360 backflip griddy cancel on our weapons

[tender anvil]

Yeah, and those are unlikely to make 50

[silent crow]

couldnt charon do it with like arctic ring

[tender anvil]

Mel and Charon, not those that can’t do a 360 backflip lol

[civic ocean]

I wonder if Charon could do 50 with just 9 min timer and abandon

[silent crow]

i heard that charon can do 48

[tender anvil]

Yeah, I saw a victory screen

I mean, 50 Fear is so tight on erebus, I don’t really see some weapons making it at all. And regarding no Arcana runs - those are theoretically doable, but require an obscene amount of attempts

You can’t reroll anything, and 1 (two with Toula) mistake means a restart

[silent crow]

is the 30% atk speed than gives u rly that big on high fear

unless mynts 50f uses spin and im dumb

[tender anvil]

It’s both damage (to rebuke) and safety (faster reaction to enemies)

So it’s pretty huge, yeah. No whirlwind, in fact no Omega moves at all, just plain old auto attack

[silent crow]

i figured lol

[silent crow]

huh

[tender anvil]

I mean faster attacks = shields removed faster

Damage number doesn’t really matter until you get to the hp bar

[silent crow]

ig

[past salmon]

Medea can deal with timer even without good RNG but yeah its basically a dont get hit run lmao 🤣

I will say fwiw from my own experiences with it, I don't think 51F+ is as unreachable as some people seem to think

[bleak night]

it's not unreachable, but it does kinda suck lol

[steel sequoia]

hopefully i wont have to reach it for achievements, im just a little granny

[tender anvil]

I’m talking from my experience, and I’m mediocre! Looking forward to seeing you do it

[tender anvil]

Check your DM’s btw!

[tired fulcrum]

Charon start is too rough since you have no mana and no way to deal with rebuke for a lot of erebus, you could do abandon but that like halves your damage and you then cant get hit

[past salmon]

they wont do achievements for anything over 32F, and in the first game they only went up to 16

[tired fulcrum]

Like its prob possible if someone insane wants to grind it

[silent crow]

oh right the onion

[past salmon]

I think someone was trying Charon 50F

[steel sequoia]

erebus is pain for charon

[tired fulcrum]

I hate hippos

[bleak night]

wait, who ?

that sounds kinda like hell ngl

[past salmon]

I cant remember I just have a vague memory of someone saying they were trying it

[bleak night]

I'll probs attempt to do it on Mel before I do it on Charon if I end up having the patience for it. It'd be interesting if the weapon is just able to 50 on all aspects

[past salmon]

I think Skulls has a chance with that
If I can figure out a good Strat for persephone

[limpid coral]

Stuff like freeze ring and scorch ring don't charge the special unless its specifically a charge cast right

[past salmon]

Yeh it's cast damage

[limpid coral]

Does that mean freeze ring damage even on a charge cast doesn't work

[past salmon]

Uhh probs I think
Haven't actually tested it

[limpid coral]

Dam

[past salmon]

Regardless dem cast is probs best anyway.
Moon makes your Glory fill up crazy fast regardless

[steel sequoia]

persephone is busted with special hera spam, if you get the correct hammers/buffs you clean a room in one drive

halfway for triple earth

[past salmon]

Yeah Persephone is good it's just a 50F making weapons that require setup bad moment

[steel sequoia]

yeah, i dont think throwing skulls works at 50f lmao

[bleak night]

yeah, Skulls is 2/3 rn since fuggles finished a Mel 50

[past salmon]

Yeh

[bleak night]

sadly it wasn't recorded though, he had Exceptional Talent and Possessed Array. I'd have loved to see the damage

[steel sequoia]

maybe Possessed Array works well with Persephone? idk

couldnt make it work with mel myself

[bleak night]

sounds a bit like hell to roll for is all

Mel Skulls have power per missing shot, so you can at least rely on 20 and 40 power boosted attacks regularly

[steel sequoia]

pphone boosts the but im not sure how that works with array

in theory you can do good dmg with 2 skulls

[steep musk]

infinite damage glitch https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1230528598511976489/1253845766338777089/image.png?ex=6677565e&is=667604de&hm=018f5e50c9d431a8d7df6433b2a0be76707cabb96716d76ecb8362401d46f12f&

gotta get that scorch draining faster now

[steel sequoia]

i was always curious about that interation, looks horrible but funny

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1253849008892285041/image.png?ex=66775963&is=667607e3&hm=835eee0ee7b0b359152b07760e068a179b71455426dcfbcfe28d1a1d77823b23& a bit of cast dmg

[hollow briar]

Panic is just gonna be such a pain

…Painic

I’m gonna figure out how to efficiently record my Hades II and then go for a 47/48 run

Cuz surely Haunting won’t be that bad… surely

[bleak night]

need help with it ? It's still pretty fresh in my mind

[hollow briar]

Sure, actually. Ever since I fac-reset my laptop, OBS has been obstinate to say the least

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1253855376009592863/image.png?ex=66775f51&is=66760dd1&hm=102b6fda4c977c5dfdcefd004d575bd1d5486a1f6fae7d1a8b12b128311e96f2& hecate is twice in the list lmfao

[bleak night]

I can help you out in a lil bit then, sure

[hollow briar]

Sounds good; I’ve got a bunch of stuff to do tonight, though, so can’t guarantee I’ll be free, but we’ll see lol

[bleak night]

just send me a dm if you need help with it whenever

[steel sequoia]

damn its so hard to get it before fields, congratz, hope its funny

[oblique ruin]

wait im sooo confused. bron to gain. you use all your mana then you use a skill and gain all your mana?? like what

[ruby copper]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/823307287203938304/1253880101473357976/image.png?ex=66777658&is=667624d8&hm=353cba02cc0132f9d8f5c9afc7123f2cf77f75f55257fc9d8537aa899c9c2d20& Bro Im so sad

Double duo pull. I mean, the only one thats good rn is the Bouncing one but still it sucks lmao

[spare kite]

Spiteful is good
Tho I can see you have cores filled

[ruby copper]

YEah. Both are filled

It is def good but not for what I have at the moment lmao

[tired fulcrum]

i mean master conductor is good except for the whole deleting acorn thing

[karmic gust]

Wait do you get +200% dmg then? Interesting

[timber pawn]

Is that not fixed?

[past salmon]

Oh is this a thing

[steep musk]

No I just need to keep doubling by freezing again and again

[elfin elk]

Can someone tell me why the axe special is so damn good

[past salmon]

Wait I gotta watch my 50F Medea run again I took master conductor in that run was I deleting my Lovers 😭

[tired fulcrum]

Idk but prob not

[past salmon]

I think it is because I did a 40F run the other day and couldn't figure out why my lovers card was dying

[timber pawn]

I could have sworn it was fixed in the June 4 patch?

Must be hallucinating

[past salmon]

I'll test tonight ig

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1253901149157851228/image.png?ex=667789f2&is=66763872&hm=3afa7211edf045706238d8fa404e9c10d890f8b6cad0250e757c882569539031& I love my stat stick

[violet temple]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/672591606297133058/1253901563899154534/image.png?ex=66778a55&is=667638d5&hm=7d048d350df4f7824e4cae0a8935429eec6fa80729509fb810425f73110db6d9&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=523&height=481 making a build creator app, hoping to get it mostly functional in a week or two

[silent crow]

Born Gain Born Gain Born Gain Born Gain Born Gain

[violet temple]

🗿

[silent crow]

no martial art you failed

[spare kite]

I didn't get any of the earth infusions

[silent crow]

you got like the worst infusion in the game tho congrats

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1253903789635670058/image.png?ex=66778c67&is=66763ae7&hm=ee80fe8a26fbd79f6f465db31f80edfbdc093e824e0a4ea77992c2b8434d3e47& all these elements and for what

[silent crow]

5 aether 😭

[spare kite]

double rare creation + duo

[quartz plaza]

love to see it!

[narrow bramble]

hey!! currently stuck on doing a 24 fear chronos run with lim and oros, any tips? using aspect of pan w poseidon special, maybe my fear set up just sucks?

[past salmon]

Post Ur fear setup if you can

[narrow bramble]

off the top of my head:
5 minute deadline
2point into bonus health
max points into enemies from next area
2 points in bonus enemies
2 points in enemy speed
2 points in revenant
1 point in increased item cost
1 point in removes other boom options

going for like a born gain + pos special w the spiral hammer

but even that didn’t work that well

[past salmon]

Yeah doing 5min deadline + extra enemies + revenants is usually a bad idea.
I reccomend talking the higher damage (not suffering) and less healing vows, aswell as maxing out destitution.
I will also say that taking atleast the first level of arrogance is perfectly fine even on magick builds, just be mindful to pick up a max magick every now and then

[violet temple]

do rebuke if you use poseidon

[past salmon]

Atm you are doing a 5 minute deadline with a bunch of stuff that also slows you down. Can be pretty rough especially on blades

[narrow bramble]

ahhh i see

thx for the advice! that’s exactly what’s happening i’m Lways like 30 seconds short. what’s rebuke?

[violet temple]

the shield

[past salmon]

Blue shields, it's pretty easy with Poseidon but for 24 it might still be better to leave it off

[bronze bear]

is there something that causes Hecate to break my armor while I still have Lovers active

[narrow bramble]

ah yeah i did that for a bit then turned it off, but i did notice that the special takes it off but then it takes two hits instead of 1 to kill an an enemy

[violet temple]

ye fair save rebuke for 32 heat

[narrow bramble]

not looking forward to 32 heat ugh….

[bronze bear]

save rebuke for 40 heat

[narrow bramble]

i did my 16s and i’m working slowly through my 24s

finished axe

[bleak night]

we can teach you how to deal with 32 when you're ready for it

[bronze bear]

I will sooner use +100% and +300% damage at 32

[violet temple]

but yeah either you go timer or you go the health/revenant/more spawn ones

[past salmon]

It's Poseidon tho so rebuke is pretty easy

[violet temple]

I max out damage at 32 and go hitless/heph

[bronze bear]

oh yeah rebuke is free on poseidon

[violet temple]

also in terms of getting your build immediately online, ignoring omega special and just going for poseidon attack works pretty well

[low bear]

Rebuke is slower than Revenants at 45F in my experience even with Pan, which is surprising to me

[bronze bear]

that is odd

revenants and more spawns seem very slow to me

[narrow bramble]

yeah i haven’t done fear that high yet but that confuses me

[low bear]

It is though I do have 40% enemy speed on so spawns are slightly faster

[timber pawn]

Speedrunners tested this and the enemies actually don't spawn faster at 40%

It does speed up boss phasing though

[bleak night]

wtf

[bronze bear]

did they spawn faster in hades 1?

[timber pawn]

Yeh lol

[timber pawn]

I am not sure

[narrow bramble]

eris with 40% speed felt undoable to me

but im also bad at the game

[violet temple]

hestia's sprint destroys most of her projectiles

there's also the good ol coarse grit

if you can't cheese it though just stay behind her since she turns pretty slowly

or hide behind a pillar to soak up the shots if you can damage her through it

[tired fulcrum]

Eris would be way less annoying if she wasnt always sitting in fire

[violet temple]

yeah true

or on the edge of the map

[bronze bear]

I find eris is fairly easy until her final form

but then again I've never done high fear surface, surface feels way harder than underworld

[analog ether]

Maybe it's just me, but using the Staff now feels weirdly unresponsive.

[dim kestrel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1239650357311967348/1253944039238139924/image.png?ex=6677b1e4&is=66766064&hm=527f27f61cec29b16b151ef28f4def55e781e0b1a1b9c5dc349c2e4d4623b3aa& Heh, this was going great until I managed to f up my mana supply halfway through Tartarus by taking a Rare Winter Coat, not thinking about the fact that between its built-in prime and Vow of Arrogance, I would be down to about 45 unprimed mana. So I had to fight Chronos very slowly, almost entirely on the strength of Air Fryer (with Hades ranged casting boon), and a clutch final shop Coarse Grit, basically not using the torches despite them doing a boatload of damage when I had mana

[low bear]

damn rip

[native stag]

ive cleared a few times both on the surface and chronos and never gotten a legendary thats crazy

[storm horizon]

most legendaries have a lot of (sometimes odd) prereqs

[bronze bear]

sometimes I get the world's biggest map in erebus that spawns 50 waves and takes 2 minutes to clear

[plain fossil]

yellow hippos are bad for my blood pressure

thank you for coming to my ted talk

[bronze bear]

there should be a law against yellow hippos in erebus

[plain fossil]

some enemies are alrdy hardcoded to not spawn early with wandering monster either because of mechanical restrictions or because theyre too bs when u have no build

[past salmon]

I still dont know how bawlders are eligible to be spawned in Oceanus
They arent even a part of regular encounters in fields

[plain fossil]

Ngl i hate the little yellow charging guys more

[zinc jungle]

what's a good build for Pan? I'm thinking Hera on the special?

never played it before

[tall notch]

Pos special

[zinc jungle]

that was my other guess

is Pos > Hera special on Pan?

[past salmon]

Usually yeh

[tall notch]

The flat damage is good. You can scale it better

[zinc jungle]

cool, my Pan is only rank 3, think that should be high enough to be worth playing?

[past salmon]

yeh

[zinc jungle]

I feel like some of the aspects are really rank dependent

Like I really want to try new Momus but it feels like it'd be really bad until rank 5

[hollow briar]

45F on Persephone feels pretty fine, but the instant you turn on Rebuke, Haunting, or Panic, it feels like drinking wiper fluid

[tall notch]

You want rank 5 at some point but r3 is enough to start enjoying the playstyle

[past salmon]

I actually think Haunting is maybe fine idk
Panic sucks yeh

[zinc jungle]

my Momus is only rank 2 and the delays between omega bursts are 3 whole seconds. does not seem worth at all.

so I've just been using Mel staff til I get it ranked up

[tall notch]

Is haunting revenants?

[past salmon]

yeh

[hollow briar]

I keep flipping between "Oh, Rebuke may not be too bad" to "Oh, Haunting may not be too bad" and each time I'm just losing to Erebus regardless of which one I pick because they both reek

[tall notch]

Can't you like send your glory special as a revenant vacuum cleaner

[hollow briar]

You can, but you also typically need your Magick for the entire rest of the Encounter lol

[tall notch]

Revenants are adorable. I love these little guys

[past salmon]

yeh sort of which is why I said revs arent the worst in the world

[zinc jungle]

kk boutta try Pos Pan. any other recommended gods to look out for? Is it even worth booning the attack or is the playstyle pretty much entirely dependent on specials and omega specials?

[past salmon]

specials

[tall notch]

Click born gain, Pan loves mana

[zinc jungle]

oooo born gain fr

[tall notch]

Also dem cast is nice ig

[zinc jungle]

that's why I was thinking of going Hera keepsake because I figured hitch would be insane since all of the specials cleave on the way to their target. especially if I get the 360 hammer.

but I'll def try Pos first, and if I don't get Hera natty then I'll keepsake it between regions

[tall notch]

If Hera doesn't show up poseidon gain is playable too

[zinc jungle]

oh I forgot pos bubbles pop from specials too

any magick boons to outright refuse?

[tall notch]

Ionic

[zinc jungle]

Dem often feels really bad with certain weapons but I could actually see it working with Pan relatively well since you can position safely

kk wish me luck ❤️

[tall notch]

Gl

[past salmon]

as in her gain or in general?
In general Demeter is probably the best god in the game

but yeh her gain is pretty poo, better than nothing tho

[zinc jungle]

just her gain, off rip her main boons are incredible

but Pan is one of the rare cases where I could see dem gain work because you're already able to stand pretty far away so it shouldn't hurt uptime too much

[tall notch]

Also @zinc jungle is your silver wheel levelled up?

[zinc jungle]

I think it's like lvl 2, but it might be

[tall notch]

Click it if you don't get a gain in Erebus

It's the best mana regen, trust

[zinc jungle]

I'm actually going surface this run bc the pact wants me to

[past salmon]

fair enough

[zinc jungle]

there isn't a way to reroll my target, is there?

I kinda don't like running surface bc it messes with the stats

[past salmon]

yeh unfortunately not
I am also avoiding running surface atm

[zinc jungle]

oh well, I need the nightmare or shadow or stardust or whatever it is lmfao

[tall notch]

I haven't touched surface since clearing it at 32f

[tall notch]

You need golden apples!

[zinc jungle]

Not sure what I need them for tbh, I don't recall ever spending any. Maybe mirror upgrades?

[zinc jungle]

light flex LOL, I still haven't even cleared 32h on H1

gave it a week of attempts before H2EA came out

[tall notch]

Do Eos torches still require them for the craft? They used to

[zinc jungle]

does rare crop only affect your boons retroactively? or does it apply to future boons? I forget

[zinc jungle]

Possibly, idt I've unlocked it yet.

[past salmon]

You can do 32F! A bunch of people here will always be happy to help with tips and strategy
I think anyone can clear 32F if they give it a good shot

[zinc jungle]

is 32f easier than 32h or something?

[past salmon]

No actually, I think it might be debatabely harder if anything
That doesn't change my comment though

[zinc jungle]

if I was struggling to win in 32h on a game I have hundreds of hours of experience on idk if I'll win 32f on a game that I don't even have 100 hours on yet.

I need to git gud first lmao

[tall notch]

When it comes to raw difficulty, is harder. The vows have less free fear compared to h1 heat. Buuuut if you click with this game better than h1 it might be easier

My hour count is half of the h1 one and I find 32f easier than 32h purely because the pacing works better for me

[zinc jungle]

I also think my strengths are more suited to speedrunning than high heat. I'm too zugzug and aggro. this game kinda forced me to slow down. but in H1, I can't play methodically. it has to be go, go, go. My main goal in that game was never to beat 32h, it was to get a sub10 escape. Got sub12 a couple times, but never got that coveted sub10.

so like, anything beyond around 15 heat felt unncessary to me and just slowed me down

[past salmon]

I mean
My playstyle is literally monke go hit enemy hard who cares about own safety so

[tall notch]

Foolish here zug zugs 50 fear

[zinc jungle]

gotta put me on game

I have no clue how you do it lmfao I tried the 5 minute timer with 1 point in the faster move speed pact and I was NOT expecting Cerberus to jump out of the ground that much faster. it affects EVERYTHING.

and even with the faster spawns I was still losing on time

[past salmon]

stuff doesnt spawn faster on vow of fury that was debunked 🙂

[tall notch]

5 mins timer is tough here compared to h1

[zinc jungle]

oh so it doesnt work the same as h1

[zinc jungle]

fr, I thought for sure that by the time I got 30 grasp I could handle it. clearly not. this game is insane.

this is also my first run with Toula so my companion is a lot weaker than my maxed Frinos

[tall notch]

Frinos seems like the better companion in general

[zinc jungle]

is either companion pulling ahead as "meta" currently? I'd think Frinos for polymorph and Chronos

Edit: OH LOL you answered me before I could ask

[tall notch]

Toula has a niche in white antler runs because you don't want the max hp increase

[robust prism]

Toula is the speedrun meta mostly because white antler

[zinc jungle]

ooo good thought

[past salmon]

Frinos is better until like 50+
Also toula is used for speedruns yeh

[zinc jungle]

I was thinking toula speedrun meta because more dmg and didn't even think about the max hp increase

[past salmon]

I think Toula is better at anything above 50 since the extra DD is gonna help you since its not actually an extra one its the only one 💀

[zinc jungle]

you could also make a save file with a Frinos without the hp increase... or is it passive baseline even if you don't treat him?

[past salmon]

he gives 10 by base iirc

[robust prism]

yeah he always gives at least 10 I think

[zinc jungle]

ahhh yeah then Toula is def the only option for Antler runs.

[robust prism]

I think they're pretty balanced, really Hecate is the main reason I prefer Frinos in the underworld

[zinc jungle]

Cyclops Vanquished, Nightmare Secured. Now just to grab that gapple.

[tall notch]

If you ask Eris nicely, she'll give the apple up without fighting

[zinc jungle]

I have 6 rerolls, should I risk it for Born Gain and take Hera keepsake or just play it safe and take the wheel?

[zinc jungle]

Might need to get through Charybdis to try 😛

and it's not much for talking.

very much Lernie vibes

my wheel is 38 encounters away from r3

might not make it to Eris... hmmmm

if I get Born Gain it's GG tbh, I think I'm gonna shoot my shot with the Queen

Charybdis Vanguished, Born Gain secured! LFG

[tender anvil]

Anyone doing high Fear with new Eos? How is it?

Wonder if flames of all weapons can be the first to get 3x 50 Fear

[tall notch]

It doesn't have bossing capabilities for it atm

[zinc jungle]

GAPPLE SECURED 🤝

[tender anvil]

So it caps at what, 45ish? 47 with 7 min deadline?

[past salmon]

probs more likely to be skulls or Axe atm
I mean staff has technically already done it 🤣

[bleak night]

True lol

[tender anvil]

I need to watch that Circe run, was it truly no omegas?

[bleak night]

Thrasher spam goes hard

[bleak night]

Yeah, it's just pure attack spam with some casts

[past salmon]

yeh they primed their entire mana bar like 15 seconds in lmao

[tender anvil]

Staff best weapon second patch in a row!

[past salmon]

it honestly looks like the easiest 50F atm
Just reset for the hammers tbh

[tall notch]

Makes sense. Mel is a witch.

[hollow briar]

Just lost a 42 Run because I accidentally took a trial in Tart instead of Charon

[bleak night]

Unironically, yeah it is. Dude got faster times without knowing you can skip Asphodel lol

[hollow briar]

Otherwise it feels very good. Didn’t even have an Attack boon until said Trial lmao

[tender anvil]

Mel blades and Eos flames have the lowest fear recorded on the leaderboard, with 41 and 43 respectively, all others have at least a 45+

[hollow briar]

People who said it was slow aren’t… necessarily wrong, but they also fail to realize that you can just play each Encounter by ear. Sometimes you need to drag the Daybreaker along with you, and sometimes you gotta have faith that it can clean up a certain part of the map

[past salmon]

yeh it seems like the easiest atm
Doesnt struggle with rebuke or anything
has eh range but still better than Moros/Medea probs
Less damage than those maybe? Until you get your build going ig
Static shock with mirrored kinda just goes insane ig

[hollow briar]

I’ll get Eos to 45 in a bit, don’t you worry

[tall notch]

Is my 43f Eos still the highest?

[past salmon]

If Blades werent so miserable I would be half tempted to get the 50F on every weapon
Axe I'm fairly confident I can do aswell as staff
Blades is just 💀

[tender anvil]

Yep!

[tall notch]

Lmao

[hollow briar]

The range just sucks so incredibly hard when basically everything one-shots you lmao

And you have essentially no defense against it either with Mel Aspect

[past salmon]

I mean its just not good enough to justify the range
And Pan requires too much setup to get going

Like the range in and of itself isnt that much of an issue
I did 50F Medea which has literally 0 range

[bleak night]

Just too reliant on some hammers, but yeah def

[hollow briar]

Sure, but that’s a bit different in how you approach the range problem. Medea, so far as I’m aware, is about swooping in and out and dealing a boatload of damage while you go, while with Mel Blades, you have to continue to stay within neck-breathing distance in order to actually deal damage

[tender anvil]

Think Mel blades have a better chance with a special build, kinda like discount Pan

[tall notch]

Pan at home

[hollow briar]

Hook Knives could get something done, yeah

[past salmon]

All I know about blades rlly is that Artemis is just f'd at 50F cuz rebuke exists, Pan takes a lottery win to get out of erebus and mel blades do be mel blades (they suck)

[tall notch]

It's crazy how blades were considered one of the best weapons early on when we were doing no fear/low fear and now they are the weakest

[hollow briar]

It really is kinda baffling how much more punishing Barriers feel this time around

It’s such a simple thing that can essentially just delete entire Aspects without a specific Boon(s)

[tender anvil]

They add a lot of effective hp to the heavy hitting aspects, of which there are quite a few

[hollow briar]

I wonder how bad they feel on Eos considering you have Spesh at your disposal. Hm. I’ll try it tomorrow (today actually wtf it’s 4 AM how)

[robust prism]

I still think they're one of the best for 90% of the playerbase lol

[tender anvil]

I mean, Moros is just nuts atm, for similar effort to say Pan

[robust prism]

I mean yeah Moros be Moros true

[tender anvil]

@past salmon do you think bolstered or posessed array is better as first hammer for Meli Skulls at 50?

[past salmon]

probs possessed cuz it deals with rebuke easier
idk tho
Possessed is almost definitely getting nerfed too so

[tender anvil]

I got a couple runs to Fields, but those were usually doomed. Either you manage shields and have no defense, or have defense but struggle with rebuke, no balanced builds so far

[past salmon]

oh you trying for Mel Skulls 50F?
Yeh Ive done a few runs to fields aswell

I did like 3 attempts after Moros 50F before getting tired and stopping and had some success just starting with Zeus and rolling for static shock tbh

[bleak night]

Got video game'd by Nemesis showing up in Echo's Room during a 50F Mel Axe run so guess I'll lose

[tender anvil]

Yeah, was doing them inbetween Meli flames for a change of pace, thinking of pushing it now

[past salmon]

just clutch it imo imo

[bleak night]

Ye I still have 1 dd and 470 gold, so it's doable

[past salmon]

I clutched my first 48F after Nemesis took my echo
Its doable

[tall notch]

just get a dd before tart. Never punished

[past salmon]

Just simply dont get hit

[tender anvil]

I had the same on my flames 50 grind. She was so kind as to give me centaur heart, on an antler run

[robust prism]

how do you even play 50f mel axe, like that sounds kinda terrible to me?

[bleak night]

I also am not recording, so is there a point to this

[past salmon]

resetting for dashing heave simulator

[tall notch]

We are talking about a person who plays with a joycon and mouse, remember

[bleak night]

Static Shock start as always with Dashing Heave or Rapid Slash hunting

[past salmon]

Nah its probs not much worse than than tbh

huh
saying than than is kinda silly huh

[robust prism]

what...

[robust prism]

I see, I guess

[tall notch]

@bleak night would you like to explain your setup to the class?

[tender anvil]

Can you realistically get static as first boon, or do you have to take a core boon first?

[past salmon]

you can get it yeh

I dont think core boons are as heavily weighed as H1

[tender anvil]

Thinking like Heph first god, and the struggle to get mynt or trusty out of him

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/778505838003879938/1254008109119176714/3max.png?ex=6677ed8f&is=66769c0f&hm=29d536e34f1b10dfee1c743f038ac3838e9b1626ede2b320ad324bf07b7c8c84& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/778505838003879938/1254008140081528912/w692.png?ex=6677ed96&is=66769c16&hm=cc651a4a70ff381d6cf0e96db800f968790ba64e7256824b038731c7a98018a2&

[past salmon]

honestly heph first god wasnt even terrible I dont think
The main problem with it is that Heph first god didnt really help you clear erebus fast enough

[tall notch]

insanity

[robust prism]

that's gross

[tender anvil]

That oddly makes sense.

[tender anvil]

I mean, part of my struggle with aspects using both attack and special is that I play on a controller, and moving your thumb to press buttons is not the same as clicking with different fingers

[bleak night]

What the hell is this clear speed @past salmon https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/778505838003879938/1254014257725706321/image.png?ex=6677f349&is=6676a1c9&hm=f56575c0e5f1671dcb6e44b6c8709f0f8b4111ab6981c72607f6abae2d1f6f6e&

[past salmon]

umm wtaf lmao

Did you just get every free room to ever exist

if you throw this im making fun of you forever btw

[bleak night]

I artificer'd a Static Shock, then I found Aphro with an Epic attack

should I start recording here ?

or tbh I should just win

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1247782897457303562/1254019023180529777/image.png?ex=6677f7b9&is=6676a639&hm=ac540107f5e7d904b16c43f6a9cb2e1ea5578413f3105d9864860366b595b728& LMFAO @tender anvil

@tender anvil @tall notch @robust prism

[tall notch]

??????????????????????????????

[robust prism]

wtf

[bleak night]

HAHA Foolish was watching

[past salmon]

Bro dashing heave is so busted 😭

[bleak night]

[tender anvil]

Big congrats!

[bleak night]

the damage is so funny

[plain fossil]

Fwiw kbm has its own issues, tight control of sprint is difficult and any button u have mapped to keyboard other than movement is difficult to hold down in combat

[tender anvil]

Charon dashing heave incoming?))

[plain fossil]

Gz

[tender anvil]

Yeah, I know, and that’s why I’m saying Mynt’s setup oddly makes sense

[bleak night]

ty

[plain fossil]

Ye its cursed but sometimes u have to be cursed

[tender anvil]

So now it’s

• Staff 3/3 (ish)
• Axe, Flames, Skull 2/3
• Blades 0/3

[bleak night]

I didn't get to record Mel Axe, sadly

Foolish was watching by Fields, at least, so someone knows exactly how funny Dashing Heave is

[tender anvil]

Well, Meli skulls is also not recorded. Neither are Momus / Meli staff

It’s kind of a pattern for you, having to rerecord 50’s lol

[bleak night]

just to take 20 runs to get a win

[tender anvil]

We should do that vince mcmahon meme, with Triple Earth - nice; Spiteful - better; Zeus - now we’re talking

[tender anvil]

20 is nothing tbh, that’s still very consistent

[spare kite]

Beautiful first thing to see when I open the chat

[bleak night]

Dashing Heave is funny

[spare kite]

Welcome back double edge

[austere bramble]

das wild

[bleak night]

it hits hard lol

Dash Attacks on Axe are really quick, and mine were doing 600 per hit

[austere bramble]

it be like that sometimes

unrelated, but if you get the +400% omega attack damage with aspect of artemis you can easily do 1500-2000 damage per omega attack with a few attack boons and born gain to make it even more fun

[final orbit]

this scared me bc i was just running this

[austere bramble]

👻

[final orbit]

it did like 5000 damage bc of my other boons

[steep heron]

with aphro attack you can get more than 4k with weedkiller and the backstab and omega sttack hammers

but i think it's actually more dps to go for lower numbers but get the apollo legendary

[wind kettle]

ngl if what it takes to get 50 fear is a half halfing a controller and a mouse, much like the child of divorce, i don't want it

[past salmon]

Hey I only play on KBM

[bleak night]

LMFAO

To be fair I played controller only on Than 50, so there's that option as well.

[wind kettle]

did you proc origination?

[bleak night]

Yeah I had Glamour Gain and Arctic Ring

[robust prism]

what oath setup would y'all use for 40f mel skulls?

[tall notch]

Since it's easier to say what you're skipping at that point of the fears... I'd skip onion, no arcana, rebuke, revs and commotion. Maybe take a point or two off dominance and throw that into revs/commotion, these last few points depend on preference

[robust prism]

ah cool that's exactly what I did

which god keepsake? aphrodite?

[tall notch]

I'd click Hera

[robust prism]

oh interesting

[limpid coral]

dominance is so free, why take revenants or commotion instead?

when blood and suffering are at full the rooms are the most dangerous cause 1 crit = 1 life so making rooms harder with +enemies sucks

not sure if dominance hits any breakpoints on skulls

but i think enemies that get 2 shot still get 2 shot anyway

[past salmon]

Yeh I think Dominance is fine

[plain fossil]

It depends what u struggle with