h2-builds-and-combat

[spare kite]

If moros becomes bad I'll become the me when I played the torches for the first time and never touch them again

[inland bobcat]

I’ve tried moros how do you get the best use of it do you omega then just spam normal special

[spare kite]

Smash bros melee marth

[past salmon]

I dont think it will become bad tbf
They will definitely fix how huntress works on it tho

[tired fulcrum]

being directly 180 degrees behind him always worked before

[past salmon]

omega special then spam attack

[spare kite]

Omega special > hug enemies and hold attack

[inland bobcat]

So which gods should I prioritize?

[tired fulcrum]

it was like being like a bit too near the back of his arms that got me eaten but never directly behind him

[past salmon]

start hera for born gain hopefully see heph fish for spiteful strength

[silent crow]

maybe its bc he grabbed ur big chop

[past salmon]

idk man

[tired fulcrum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1226642940764487690/1252035534893879456/image.png?ex=6670c075&is=666f6ef5&hm=e828ac462526d2cfc128dede6647cb978a640f241303c47c346231852ec1f5dd& actually ig thats more like 120 degrees than 180

[tall notch]

Damn Moros is actually crazy after the torch buffs
I am still missing old Eos though, none of the current torch aspects can come near old Eos in terms of fun

[spare kite]

Real

[past salmon]

Nah you must embrace the Moros
Join the club
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJxCsQWKC20

[tall notch]

But it's melee

[spare kite]

Also inverted spark not making the ghosts linger is dumb

[past salmon]

That makes it more based 🙏

[silent crow]

oh no 😔

[tall notch]

Ranged gameplay is the most based of all though

[past salmon]

[EXTREMELY LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER]

[plain fossil]

Literal dps loss

[plain fossil]

Offscreen brothers

[tired fulcrum]

https://imgur.com/a/I3n0mid bonk bonk bonk

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1226642940764487690/1252041431430856854/Hades_II_2024-06-16_16-24-38.mp4?ex=6670c5f3&is=666f7473&hm=eba51ff167394379220548b0b76e01abc544b7239dea974f7d2350c5e43dfbc2& thats a funny bug

[tender anvil]

Lol @past salmon Moros is indeed bonkers

Just did a 40 Fear run with rank 1 Moros (unupgraded), taking 3 detour rooms in tartarus in 18 minutes

[past salmon]

Yeh its pretty crack
Join the Moros gang

[tender anvil]

I got my 50 flames clear already, think I’m ready to play other weapons now

[past salmon]

fair lmao

[tender anvil]

I found out Moros is really dependent on mana

[past salmon]

yeh
It doesnt do much without it

[tender anvil]

Ran out on Chronos on my first attempt, and damage really fizzled

That spiteful at endshop was prolly a mistake. Still, the weapon got me to Chronos on 40 with 5min biomes, while unupgraded and with no damage boons, kinda insane

[spare kite]

Silly weapon

[tender anvil]

Too fiddly for me, having to relaunch special all the time is a chore

[past salmon]

I had this on my 49F run I randomly did before trying 50F lmao
Got to Chronos just ran out of time cuz literally zdps despair

[tender anvil]

And yeah, no need for antler whatsoever

You’re probably right that it’s the easiest 50 atm, just need to suffer through erebus with a slow start

[past salmon]

Yeh its either Moros or staff attack spam
I think staff attack spam is super simple u literally just need the hammer start and then like static shock

[tender anvil]

It’s funny how the learning curve works - I remember when a 40 was a real achievement for me, and required maximum concentration

[trail wharf]

is there anyway to raise the likelihood of getting hermes' legendary boon, it's the only one I haven't run into despite the requirement being the smallest

[iron ember]

i love cheesing chaos' third stage instakill attack with wolf howl invulnerability

[spare kite]

Buy yarns of ariadne

[iron ember]

hestia or demeter cast for persephone skull?

[spare kite]

Zeus

[iron ember]

normally, would agree

but this run is particularly oriented towards either daughter of hyperion

[past salmon]

Probs just dem then.
Dem is the best overall cast in the game so

[still girder]

how are Possessed Array and Returning Array hammers on the same weapon?

[past salmon]

returning tends to just be a dps down

only rlly worth taking if you have bolstered

[tired fulcrum]

maybe the optimal strat for charon 50 is no arcana

[tender anvil]

The lack of titan really hurts the mana weapons imo

On top of decreased survivability and damage

[tired fulcrum]

Just epic born gain start and get a pom for it next room frfr

Or maybe i just dashing heave antler or something until i get mana

[plain fossil]

Yea 50 mana is rough

[analog ether]

Gonna be honest: I don't really like born gain for Fear runs.

[plain fossil]

Base charon attack is SO bad lul

U got no attack speed and no damage so if ur on 50 no arcana u cant click blue hearts

[tired fulcrum]

yeah thats the point of no arcana

[plain fossil]

I think blue hearts + arcana is better imo

[tired fulcrum]

No blue hearts no onion

Onion plus blue hearts is cancer you have no damage

[plain fossil]

Maybe with no onion hm

[past salmon]

Cuz of arrogance?
Its still the best option just start taking more max manas and stop clicking the shiny high rarity options

[plain fossil]

U can go demeter cast r1

Pretty safe, u lose a lot of damage to no furies no moon tho

[tired fulcrum]

Even with dem cast theres stuff like stupid spindles and spitters that you cant bait into your cast

[plain fossil]

I know, im not saying its easy im probably the most negative person on charon 50 here

Im just thinking through ur idea

[steel sequoia]

for low fear is fine you can make erebus with attack but high fear is too heavy for charon

[tired fulcrum]

Maybe the giga brain strat is no revs no rebuke then just hammer dashing heave antler start

[plain fossil]

Maybe but then ur on onion hammer and u have this potato build for like 7 rooms lul

[tired fulcrum]

Dashing heave antler actually isnt that bad with rebuke 0

[past salmon]

yeh
Im still gonna try some Moros over 50 at some point maybe
just dont bring panic and hope for magick upgrades?
Ill be running antler so damage will be a lot

[tired fulcrum]

Except the whole getting murdered by spindles and hippos part

[plain fossil]

Im not saying its impossible it does sound kinda cancer tho cos ur still zdps charon attack

[steel sequoia]

i think if you get a random common attack boon you can deal with erebus, but you cant prime mana unless its your main cast/born gain.

[plain fossil]

And ur also antler glass

[past salmon]

I could also do 52F Moros ig and just not bring Onion born gain R1

[plain fossil]

Maybe just dont ever get hit and restart if u hear a hippo sound effect

[past salmon]

But magick pool is super dicey if I dont get max magick ups early

[steel sequoia]

tho im a 22fearcap player, i dont really understand going further its just pain for me

[plain fossil]

Hey man free nightmare for 24

[steel sequoia]

yeah 22-24, beyond that is the 32 path and you are free of this pain

[tender anvil]

Think antler’s a waste on Moros, it’s got heaps pf damage as it is. It struggles when going oom (and antler won’t fix that). I think Hecate’s candle may be a winner for Moros

[plain fossil]

I was so keen on zero mana torches last week but the lack of attack speed rly kills it

Im like SURELY THIS GONNA BE LIT it was not lit

[past salmon]

hmm idk
The problem is that above 50 you sort of need antler no matter what
Like Medea has insane base damage too but it cant do erebus above 50F without antler in my experience

I gues silver wheel is an option tho
ill try it

[plain fossil]

What does wheel do tho arent u on panic

[tender anvil]

Yeah, wheel, not candle, that’s what I meant

[past salmon]

nah 54F no Panic or smth

[plain fossil]

Hm maybe

[tender anvil]

Ahh, yeah, panic disables wheel, I forgot

[steel sequoia]

im anxious about the boons rework, we will surelly miss born gain

[past salmon]

the idea for above 50F Moros is to take off panic almost certainly tho so ig
Ill try it

[plain fossil]

Eh i got no fear of change sgg will give us something else broken no fear

[still girder]

idk if i'll miss born gain tbf, it's so broken

[past salmon]

I'm excited
I want meta shakeups

[plain fossil]

Gonna be scorch meta or some garbo

And like hera cast meta just u wait

[steel sequoia]

scorch deserves a rework but from useless to broken is not gonna be fun

[tender anvil]

But then you get like 1 omega special at 50 mana? Surely that won’t be enough

[plain fossil]

Hera cast would honestly be pretty decent if it just didnt last 57 years

[past salmon]

u get 2 if you just make sure you dont omega attack LOL

[tender anvil]

Yeah, I’m not smart enough for that

[past salmon]

but yeh also ill try erebus with wheel

Cuz then Mana isnt an issue for erebus
which would be nice

[tired fulcrum]

Hmmm wheel charon

[tender anvil]

Regarding Charon - I think some weapons just don’t have a conventional 50 in them. Sadly, Charon looks like one of them

[bleak night]

GODDAMNIT NOOOOOOOOOOOOO https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1252065809665097778/haha_close.mp4?ex=6670dca7&is=666f8b27&hm=156bca4182b9308bb00378c7e6f2e3037e0fa1fb10f9fadee81b46fcf3551227&

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah i think wheel for charon is the strat except my wheel is lvl 1

[past salmon]

Damn bro u inherited my Chronos skill issue

[past salmon]

LMAO SAME
Guess I need to do some runs to lvl it up

[bleak night]

I accidentally bricked my build by getting the hammer that costs 20 mana to double big chop

[weak cosmos]

I failed my first 40 like this

[tender anvil]

Ouchie!

[past salmon]

thats so funny
Anvil?

[bleak night]

No, I was absentminded and pressed on that because the other two were whirlwinds

[past salmon]

Well you only have thyself to blame then 😔

[bleak night]

Yeah, I can go again. I went pretty far with Blitz Shield of all things

I didn't get Static, it was pretty terrible

[past salmon]

Damn getting to Chronos without static is solid tho

[bleak night]

I started Blitz Shield

I didn't have Hera Attack until Oceanus lol

[past salmon]

Is Axe just insane or smth

[dim kestrel]

And who wants unlit torches?

[bleak night]

Blitz shield isn't bad if you clump enemies together and tag them all with the Special, I managed to do it pretty well

[past salmon]

I mean uhh
Axe is bad plz buff!

[bleak night]

I'll run it back, I suppose. I had no good hammers there. It was empowered guard and the brick big chop

[past salmon]

Empowered is decent ig since its global damage boost
Made ur blitz better

[bleak night]

oddly enough if I ran Engraved Pin I'd have won there

[steel sequoia]

axe is strong, if you learn how to block is insanely good

[bleak night]

so my b lol

[past salmon]

yeh engraved is better than tooth imo
Like almost always

[bleak night]

I was banking on getting CG from shop, but it was 3 Zeuses lol

[past salmon]

ZEUS!

[bleak night]

my shop was double Zeus, actually

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1252067047483899914/image.png?ex=6670ddce&is=666f8c4e&hm=a8b1051ac0dc7f9cfa523fc1aecc07a00c2cf2e196bec29874812adeb4106d55&

Either way, I've been making it far without Static Shock these past few runs. I, hopefully, should be able to get a recording of a 50 in the next 5 or so

[steel sequoia]

wish we get a new statick shock variety in update

digging it everytime is boring

[bleak night]

I hate having to rely on it

[steel sequoia]

i mean the other "option" is diggin aphro Secret Crush

but i feel like we should have better options

should make more sense for hestia maybe

since its 13 fire boons

[civic ocean]

that'll teach you for fighting him to weeb music

KEKW

[past salmon]

😭

[silent crow]

apollo and hestia dont have prime boons yet maybe theyll give us more offense

[past salmon]

oh also on Magick based weapons for high fear Phase Shift is actually like kinda broken maybe
It slows down Moros pin countdown @bleak night

[steel sequoia]

dont think they will make that since apollo has a 2x attack boon and hestia has a lot of crazy nosense stuff

[silent crow]

doesnt extra dose suck

[steel sequoia]

a lot of boons suck, clearly unbalanced stuff

[silent crow]

thats fair

[bleak night]

[past salmon]

its ok
In protest im gonna go do speedruns while listening to weeb music

[bleak night]

I just wanna hear violin while I fight a hard battle

[tired fulcrum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1226642940764487690/1252070789914820719/image.png?ex=6670e14a&is=666f8fca&hm=e7e2091832186220c8e99aaf20fed489f177fe6f463f4390743d4a14bb9824cd& yeah I need to lvl this thing

[spare kite]

Lmao

[past salmon]

SILVER WHEEL BABY

[tired fulcrum]

so apparently hugging hecate during funny green fire attack doesnt avoid the hitbox

[past salmon]

yep!
LMao

[spare kite]

The triple divide one or the boomerang one

[tired fulcrum]

Triple divide

I hate triple divide

[spare kite]

Every boss should learn triple divide

[tall notch]

The only good thing about triple divide are the cool voice lines

[civic ocean]

WE ARE THREE

[spare kite]

PAST, PRESENT, FUTURE

[civic ocean]

One of my fave repeating quotes

"My girl, would you please die" is my fave I think

[spare kite]

"that blasted toad"

[past salmon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1246695893361496087/1252073817304731739/20240617113405_1.jpg?ex=6670e41c&is=666f929c&hm=a202c367f566c66293a261bc6ceb1fb342de28747b3aec2c8cda9bb06ce0ee28&
lmao
Thats a lot of max magick for ionic gain

[limpid coral]

what's that blue line on the mana bar? oh, is it 10?

[spare kite]

Impressive
Now take static shock

[past salmon]

idek

[limpid coral]

like for spirit surge

[civic ocean]

its spirit surge

[past salmon]

oh yeah spirit surge

[limpid coral]

235 max mana lol

[past salmon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1246695893361496087/1252074427978350642/image.png?ex=6670e4ae&is=666f932e&hm=c03d6e032fa40fe5fb1aefc3a674cf3645c901a33d4c88837a38b4f50f12e0a4&
Ok like I could tho

[limpid coral]

Big spirit surge

[past salmon]

but also then I dont have ANY magick regen lmao

[limpid coral]

Oh wait other way around

[past salmon]

nah it would be big attack

[limpid coral]

Would you have more or less mana after losing ionic gain lol

[past salmon]

lvl 15 hera attack
Ill do it sounds funny

[limpid coral]

Big number go go go

[past salmon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1246695893361496087/1252074837497741423/image.png?ex=6670e50f&is=666f938f&hm=b233033eb7e542523d230cb045903959964a7f18618421482093a7a32e517117&
lol

[limpid coral]

Any other blue boons?

[tired fulcrum]

Diminishing pom gains moment

[spare kite]

If only you had hereditary bane

[past salmon]

literally no other hera boons I just did it for the funny

[limpid coral]

Itll still melt (probably)

[past salmon]

like 20s dog fight tho my damage do be good

[bleak night]

My bad for getting hit, sorry https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1252075210933276763/thank_you_dark_souls.mp4?ex=6670e568&is=666f93e8&hm=a116a0a9175d23cfa1f8ea0daece0424c521f597175fca7a2678500377076ab2&

[past salmon]

rip
Could of been echo clutch too

[bleak night]

lol yeah

[past salmon]

or it could of been nemesis ig 💀

[civic ocean]

Phantom said "joycon THIS"

[past salmon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1246695893361496087/1252076084598673491/image.png?ex=6670e639&is=666f94b9&hm=90478a67783db7b61952e8a7a3234719a88e286782d16cef1d6db1d29ae2cec5&
MOAR

[faint spear]

Needs to hit 20

[past salmon]

its not happening sadly

also ionic gain is back ig LMAO

I think I dont take it imo imo

[plain fossil]

Are u just clicking ransom duos every run now lmao what is this

[tired fulcrum]

How do we get the devs to delete hippos from the gamefiles

[plain fossil]

Some ghetto spiteful

[past salmon]

idk I was just doing some lowfear Moros runs to lvl up silver wheel lol
taking whatever god giveths to me

[tired fulcrum]

Nvm, delete harpies too

[limpid coral]

low fear never using god keepsakes is fun tbh just see what rng decides will happen that day

[past salmon]

BAHAHAHAHA

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1246695893361496087/1252081137631629352/image.png?ex=6670eaed&is=666f996d&hm=cabf4ee125b2d15148c8b3e5e6ffe03d81575b5d4f6fa1c5ec44ef2ac1d6812c&
Thanks hera for boosting my 0 Hera boons

echo is such a g honestly

[limpid coral]

was that boon boon boon

[past salmon]

yeh lmfao

[limpid coral]

hooooly

wait, if you get that does it remove your current zeus boons?

and do future hera boons get the bonus retroactively?

[past salmon]

yeh it ripped half my build lmao

[limpid coral]

damn lol

[past salmon]

this im pretty sure no

[limpid coral]

that's so funny
boon boon boon really is "pick if you want funny things to happen"

[bleak night]

6 runs straight with no static, no attack boon

yea idk, maybe I shouldn't have thrown that run earlier with the dud hammer

[plain fossil]

Omg some of my keepsakes are 💀 dude my phial is still 1 star

[plain fossil]

High fear sigma grindset

[timber pawn]

Mynt are you okay, is it time for something else

[past salmon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1246695893361496087/1252084288921538611/image.png?ex=6670eddd&is=666f9c5d&hm=1b1b9e1f6efb3e89e8ecc82806ca0c5261996e6fda90bde937d4af9946dcc8af&
Wait has silver wheel rank 2 always been like this
And if so. why? lol

[timber pawn]

huh, its supposed to be 1500

[past salmon]

sick bug ig

[timber pawn]

you've used 10 of it, apparently

did you equip it already?

[past salmon]

oh
maybeik why
hold on

ok apparently I did a random skull O-attack in training grounds ig? lmao
I didnt realise

[limpid coral]

isnt it 1500 at 3 star?

[timber pawn]

no its 2k at 3 star

[past salmon]

nah 2000

[limpid coral]

ah

I think my silver wheel is like 2 away from 3 star so i se 1500 lol

[plain fossil]

Can u use up ur wheel in training grounds before a run and it doesnt reset

[past salmon]

want me to test?

[plain fossil]

Sounds like a worthy f10 sure

[limpid coral]

If u start a run after that does it say 1500?

[past salmon]

it resets

[plain fossil]

Ok good

[tired fulcrum]

Did you use 10 mana somewhere or something

Why is discord always lagging

[timber pawn]

I'm watching your 50 moros, I can't believe you took a trial in erebus that is extremely bold

[opaque cypress]

Does anyone know if there’s rng manipulation tactics like there were in hades 1? I know in hades 1 there were things like spamming the call button that affected RNG, for example.

[timber pawn]

I don't think anyone is working on h2 routed stuff at the moment, I imagine it probably exists, but I'm not sure there's any confirmation yet

[past salmon]

tbh trials in final room tend to be about just as quick as regular rooms
I think that commotion effects trials differently to regular rooms

I also might just be tripping tho tbf

[timber pawn]

Oh that'd be nice, also I mean, it's just erebus might as well send it and hope it works out right

[past salmon]

yeh lmao

[plain fossil]

Ive never felt that trials are that much slower? Idk just more dangerous

Ive taken 120 from hera this week very embarrassing lul

[timber pawn]

Since I've been grinding speeds I haven't touched them in a while

In that setting they're 'slow' but that's sort of it's whole own ballgame

[plain fossil]

Well i mean if theyre slower than a regular room its still relevant for timer right

[bleak night]

@timber pawn @past salmon @civic ocean HOW THE HELL DID I WIN THAT LMAO CHRONOS NO DAMAGE https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1252097246594334820/image.png?ex=6670f9ee&is=666fa86e&hm=4402c4202e65a5f3629a6adda0264aff55fc28276d2970c8818c9ea99ec90ae0&

APOLLO ATTACK HEPH SPECIAL 50F

[timber pawn]

LET'S GO

[timber pawn]

ABSOLUTELY WHAT THE HECK

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1252097507052486737/image.png?ex=6670fa2c&is=666fa8ac&hm=1338565f3d7a0c79aa1a21dda8f2d9f64853cb0b39d7381deefa5d77428f584b& upload time. Also my Echo bugged and only offered me two boons

[timber pawn]

You recorded this one right lmao

[bleak night]

Yep, I lost all 3 dds in Tart

[timber pawn]

Oml

[bleak night]

then I won vs Chronos without even my armour breaking, somehow the Echo Dodge Dodge Dodge tanked everything for me

[timber pawn]

I assume this is the wrong link lol

[bleak night]

just showing that I was able to record

[timber pawn]

Ah

[hollow ether]

can somebody vouch for which axe aspect is better in terms of high heat runs (16 is high for me)

[timber pawn]

Well mynt just cleared 50 fear with Thanatos aspect

But they're all quite viable at 16

[bleak night]

This just happened earlier, made sure to send an error report https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1252099080520335380/image.png?ex=6670fba3&is=666faa23&hm=60c8b6e50a7da538c930a6d3a7a6d83b98c9817b0e6200fd8aa91dd24ffd6655&

[timber pawn]

That's bizarre

[plain fossil]

Man these zdps chronos runs lul watch ppl copycat u with apollo attack

BUT MYNT DID 50 WITH APOLLO IT MUST BE GREAT

Anyway gz it feels rly good to progress with less than 10 sec on timer right

My first 32 a while back was 38 seconds over timer or something lmao

[bleak night]

especially on such a whack combo of boons

I went Concave Stone in Fields to try to get Demeter or Heph boon stacking going, but I didn't find them once

[plain fossil]

Yea if ppl come in here shilling apollo attack on than axe im forwarding them to u

[bleak night]

lmao feel free, I can tell them I had no other choice

[plain fossil]

I aint touching that one lmao

I click concave stone an alarming amount lul

Basically any time im not at risk of bricking my run and i got all my gods in erebus

Its always in there for consideration especially for zero mana runs if im looking for power because chaos egg is kinda really bad for zero mana builds

[bleak night]

I'd honestly still recommend people to start Zeus if they're dealing with blue hearts though

Spirit Surge did 67k damage this run

it wasn't even Static, so it's probably off blasting something else in the distance, but it adds up

[plain fossil]

Obligatory static shock op

[limpid coral]

Spirit surge kinda spooky when it aggros the succ shades off screen in fields

[plain fossil]

Spirit surge not bad either i like it a lot for shortening hecate phases

[limpid coral]

Do you kill them off first?

[plain fossil]

Ngl i just click heph knockback boon usually so succ shades do nothing

[timber pawn]

Spirit surge my goat

[limpid coral]

Does that only work when you have armor or smth

[plain fossil]

No, it just lets u ignore succ forever seems like

[limpid coral]

I swear I picked it once and then still got pulled from off screen but might be misremembering

Tho often it's up against shield or mint condition so i just click those instead :/

[plain fossil]

I think its the third best heph boon so i end up with it quite a lot

Its not always, and in that case u do get a bit trolled sometimes by random succ

[bleak night]

I even made sure to exit Lively Wallpaper and Rainmeter during the final fight in case it somehow makes me lag lol

[plain fossil]

I have no idea what those are but if a thing is important to u then u should take it seriously

Like killing chronos with 50dps axe lmao

[bleak night]

Animated wallpaper + extra program to add stuff on your desktop, spotify play button, shortcut to Downloads folder, etc

[limpid coral]

With how often u sit at low hp these runs is strength really not worth

I guess half damage doesn't matter when everything one shots anyway lol

[plain fossil]

Ah icic

[bleak night]

don't really need to

[plain fossil]

Well its more what are u giving up

[limpid coral]

But it's still +50% global

[plain fossil]

Strength is very expensive card so what are u unclicking

[limpid coral]

I mean moon death sorceress wayward son are all off already

[plain fossil]

Is it 4 rerolls and 300 gold?

[plain fossil]

For me thats 29 grasp so u need to find 4 more

What's the cut

[bleak night]

I went Artificer

[plain fossil]

So cutting boatman?

[bleak night]

Yep

[limpid coral]

Im trying to remember what's important, it's like 12 points for the rerolls 2 for titan 3 for revives 1 for sprint and centaur 6 for artificer so then some random other 2 point if it exists?

[bleak night]

kinda sucks tho ngl

[plain fossil]

Artificer AND strength sounds pretty impossible without cutting some things that ppl would instinctively recoil from like DDs

[plain fossil]

Revives is 4 and u want lovers

[limpid coral]

Ah lovers

[plain fossil]

And then theres huntress and furies

[limpid coral]

I forgor lol

[plain fossil]

Which arent uncuttable but are big damage

[limpid coral]

Yea probably the gold I think is what I've been skipping

[plain fossil]

Yea and then the question is, are u going to get more power out of strength card or out of approximately 1 boon + 4 rerolls

[timber pawn]

I feel like unfortunately this has to be the play at 50 right, to help combat onion

[limpid coral]

Arti turning onion into blue onion is so sad

Sometimes it hits

[bleak night]

It just helps me get my foot off the ground. Erebus is the worst area

that was a painful few hours https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1252105010691706900/image.png?ex=66710129&is=666fafa9&hm=d2dc2e8b72ca012b578c3d87c7966b8a64140f8d56ec89c7d17e33b7de573a55&

[limpid coral]

Ya fair the rerolls are probably valuable in oceanus and past to get the good stuff, ive just been playing with strength on lower fear and that half damage taken is super strong when things don't crit for 100 lol

[bleak night]

pretty sure this save has like a 10% winrate by now lol

[timber pawn]

I could feel the tilt every time you posted '6 runs with no static' etc haha

[plain fossil]

112!

I think most of us sitting above 32 have 112! PTSD by now lmaooo

[limpid coral]

yippee

[hollow ether]

wait does engraved pin proc after every death defy?

[bleak night]

Nope, just once per room

[hollow ether]

does it proc on death defy if that comes first?

or does it wait until your final life

[bleak night]

First one

[limpid coral]

It activates the first time you reach 0 hp in every encounter

[bleak night]

What's a program that can edit videos without a watermark? I need to cut a lot of footage

[dim kestrel]

This list is for Linux users, but a lot of them are multi-platform if you're on Windows or something: https://itsfoss.com/open-source-video-editors/

[timber pawn]

I've been using capcut

[bleak night]

I've just tried Filmora and they want me to pay

[timber pawn]

Capcut desktop app should do the trick 👍

[bleak night]

I think I should go back to meme runs now lol

[timber pawn]

That seems like a good plan from a sanity perspective haha

[plain fossil]

Ok i got a meme project for u: biggest possible single hit

[bleak night]

What weapon would be best on this ?

just Big Chop ig ?

[timber pawn]

Artemis w/ explosive ambush and the one that adds power per kill

[bleak night]

Ah, true

[plain fossil]

Ive got no idea

[timber pawn]

I have hit for over 6k on chronos

I imagine in a big fields biome you could get higher maybe

[plain fossil]

I was thinking something with axe special or demeter duo omega cast

[bleak night]

full revs no timer and just have them keep respawning

[plain fossil]

Since the specials get big aph multi

[timber pawn]

Oh true, didn't even consider that lol

[bleak night]

Blades have a hammer with infinite scaling

[plain fossil]

Ye true

[bleak night]

ngl I'm kinda just glad I don't have to record runs for a while now lol

[plain fossil]

The base is okay too its 100?

[bleak night]

what does the hammer do again specifically ?

[plain fossil]

+5 power per thingy

[timber pawn]

15 power now

[plain fossil]

I guess the plan is ephyra with infinite zombie room

That sounds really boring actually lmao

[tired fulcrum]

Doesnt it reset every room

Does scylla spawn infinite fish

[timber pawn]

Unlikely to get two hammers by then but I guess you just need the one

[timber pawn]

It does, but if we're just theorycrafting biggest hit

Just find a room that lasts forever and scale damage until you're bored ig

[tired fulcrum]

Asphodel is infinite ig if you keep going in and out of the ring, could also do torrential charon

[hollow ether]

just had my heart beat out of my chest, beat chronos with thanatos axe with 3hp remaining for like the last 15 seconds

8 heat, so nothing special, but still gah damn i felt i was gonna have a stroke

[bleak night]

Nice

[hollow ether]

i see the axe vision

i was a lim and oros lover but this aspect is so fun

[weak cosmos]

yo I am in echo room loaded up on dds at 50 fear

[bleak night]

you recording your run? 👀

[plain fossil]

Good luck mate

[weak cosmos]

no. made it past cerberus with 2 dds, mel skull with possessed and bolstered but not much more damage

[bleak night]

Oooh, GLGL

can you record the Tartarus part ? I kinda wanna see how you deal with 50's blue hearts

[weak cosmos]

i dont have recording software/idk how but basically support fire (artemis) and static shock take off a lot of the pressure

[plain fossil]

Ctrl-v "static shock op"

[bleak night]

Need help setting it up for next time ? I feel like people would learn a lot from your runs

[weak cosmos]

are there downsides to it? like recordings taking up a lot of hard drive?

[bleak night]

You can stop the recording whenever you want and then delete the footage you already have. Either way one run is about 5-6gb for me

[plain fossil]

Theyre not small but in this age of cheap ssd space its usually not a big deal

[bleak night]

and that's me recording it at 2880x1620

[plain fossil]

For me its about 10gb/h recording at 4k

[bleak night]

You can pretty much set it to 1080p, yeah

[plain fossil]

Ye people dont care unless its like 480p

[bleak night]

I still don't use my hotkeys for the start and end record on OBS, I'd prefer to see it actually recording lol

[plain fossil]

Fwiw it does make editing easier if u do

U dont need to trim start and end of every segment 🙂

[weak cosmos]

AHHHH i lost. it is hard playing with no hephaestus boons

[plain fossil]

F

And yea no mint no trusty on skulls bit scary in tart sometimes u just eat a brute swing and take 160 lmao

[weak cosmos]

yeah it was 1 thug room + 1 armored bag and numbskull room

[plain fossil]

I like bags but if u dont have enough damage to oneshot then numbskulls suck

[timber pawn]

I almost didn't record my pb run which would have been tragic

[plain fossil]

The teleport is so troll

[weak cosmos]

also are yall kbm or controller players?

[plain fossil]

I tried both currently kbm

I dont like some of the controller issues but really its mostly familiarity

[bleak night]

I do both, kinda

Oh rip

[weak cosmos]

why is there a language filter in a discord that concerns two games with a fully naked woman

[bleak night]

company discord, I suppose

@trim summit Are you the guy that's been submitting 32 fear speedruns btw ?

[trim summit]

Whoops lmao. I was just saying my friends make fun of me for playing kbm but it’s refreshing to see high fear players talk about it like it isn’t troll. I’ve made it further than them all, either way

[bleak night]

You should see what people say about what I play with lol

[trim summit]

No. I’ve been running 32s but not good at going fast yet

[bleak night]

Oh, okay. There's someone named SpicyChicken with a Burger King icon posting 32 fear speedruns lol

[trim summit]

Oh that’s weird

[bleak night]

Yeah, lol https://space.bilibili.com/9408002?spm_id_from=333.788.0.0

Must be a really good sandwich

[trim summit]

I’ve had this name in discord for like, years, and that sandwich is discontinued as far as I’m aware

[bleak night]

[plain fossil]

Ok but tbf if u asked me to pick between your setup and a ddr pad i would have to think about it for a minute

Maybe i should actually try it tho i really hate sprinting on kbm

[trim summit]

Yeah I find myself alternating between shift and spacebar, using shift mainly to sprint and spacebar to dash

[plain fossil]

I do this and its bad yeah

[trim summit]

But I’m willing to admit there could be a better alternative

[weak cosmos]

just only use skull and instead of sprint do special dash special dash

[hollow stag]

What would be the best god boon for Staff attack build with + 30 Power to Attack hammer?

[bleak night]

Aphro 100%

[weak cosmos]

Hephaestus hera duo

[bleak night]

if you're lucky enough to get that, ig

I'm at a point where I don't play around duos anymore unless I'm playing a run where I'd be down to do all the Tartarus detours

[plain fossil]

Im a hera enjoyer for these builds personally hitch keeps growing on me

Esp for attack since the delta between hera and aph isnt THAT large like it is for special

[hollow stag]

How about Zeus attack with 160 damage Blitz?

[timber pawn]

That works better if you have the multi attack hammer imo

Blitz doesn't scale with the power

[weak cosmos]

OK i am at chronos at 50 now

[bleak night]

I'll probs do another 50 (but seeded) for my main file, just so it has the number on it

[weak cosmos]

Fail

[bronze bear]

Is Demeter's Winter Coat (Prime a barrier that absorbs 1 instance of damage) supposed to consume the Vow that does +300% damage on first hit? I had the boon, but for some reason the first hit in every combat was dealing at least 96 damage, so it seems like the Vow affects the first hit that isn't blocked by Demeter's Winter Coat.

Hephaestus' equivalent boon does consume the +300% damage charge

[bleak night]

It doesn't, no. Trusty Shield is a lot better in that regard since Armour eats the +300%, but doesn't overflow to your main HP bar

[bronze bear]

Damn Heph's Trusty Shield is pretty much uniquely insane then

The only other boon that does such work requires 6 Air

[bleak night]

6 Earth, no ?

good ol earthstacking is pretty great, yeah

[bronze bear]

ah yeah 6 Earth

[plain fossil]

Vow of suffering applies to the first instance of damage you actually take, yep

Other damage shields work the same way, whether from lovers card, nitro boost or nemesis reward

[past salmon]

Honestly I'm still not sold on arti lol
I had it for my 50F Moros but my like 4th attempt would of been a win if I didn't skill issue Chronos and I didn't have arti on
I also didn't use arti for Medea.
Idk it just feels kinda poopy to rely so much on rng

[past salmon]

Damn hope you get it soon 👍

[still girder]

You can get multiple tartarus detours??

I'm so used to just sitting outside the circle for the s p e e d

[past salmon]

Tart not asph

How is 55F going

[still girder]

Ohhhh whoops right

I did a couple hours yesterday, couple today. Gone from "i can barely make it to room 3" to "i timed out on hecate"

😄 excited to work on it more tomorrow! It feels like playing the lottery ngl. You need good enemy spawns and room luck

[past salmon]

Yeh. I think you're the only one trying atm

Tempted to try 54F Moros but I'll probs wait for the next patch

[still girder]

LOL the automod bullies me for my foul language

[still girder]

Moros gave me cancer when i tried it. If you're good i bet it would be sick but the positioning requirements to leverage damage out of it are annoying i guess

Like, spamming attacks and then dashing in to activate them with specials is good but sometimes armored enemies just say "f you, eat a stray instant death"

[past salmon]

I have most of my time on Medea so I'm used to the play style ig

[still girder]

I wish there was an earlier way to get safe than "luck into freeze cast"

Or freeze attack. Both good on skull

[bleak night]

That's Asphodel, no ?

[still girder]

This is a reallllly stupid question because i've never really touched medea, does the dash protect you from damage? Otherwise it seems like you'd just be suiciding into attacks a lot.

[bleak night]

It doesn't, lol

[sly turret]

Hera keepsake or Zeus keepsake start for Persephone skull?

[bleak night]

I think Foolish has a video up on a Pers Skull run

[sly turret]

Ah yeah

[bleak night]

He starts Zeus

Doesn't go Panic on it, if anything

[flat epoch]

Question: What's the air fryer build? I keep seeing victory screens and discussions about it and I want to try it out :0

[bleak night]

Scorch + stacking Air boons to get Air Quality from Zeus, makes your Scorch burn a lot faster

[sly turret]

Glory builds with damage or hits?

[bleak night]

it's raw damage

I think it was like 1500 last time I checked

maybe give or take a few hundred more?

[sly turret]

Thanks

[tall notch]

#h2-feedback message what are our thoughts, torch gamers?

[past salmon]

Idk
I still don't fully get how it works.
It's got like, bad homing right?

[tall notch]

Yeah the homing is a bit inconsistent too. But I'm getting the idea of what it wants to do when it comes to playstyle and i kinda dig it. It just needs buffs

[past salmon]

I think speed increase and better homing would probs be good then
My Eos experience is fairly limited compared to Moros tho

[tall notch]

Ik you'll disagree but Moros is simply too melee for me to enjoy it

And idk if I even want to learn it considering that the current crazy tuning probably won't make it to next aspect balance

[past salmon]

Simply embrace the Medea/Moros brainrot
But nah yeh that's fair.
Different play styles for different people

Just play the rlly close range weapons and then get rlly mad about spindles

[bleak night]

I'm imagining how whack your 53 fear clear will be

[past salmon]

Brother I basically have to play hitless help

[bleak night]

just don't get hit dude

[past salmon]

I have 2 Erebus exits hitless now

[bleak night]

that weapon is just busted isn't it lol

[past salmon]

But Oceanus is actually my cryptonite

[past salmon]

Brother I promise you it would of been easier to get hitless runs on any other weapon 😭

[bleak night]

probs not Axe, this weapon kinda sucks against Rebuke

[past salmon]

Well it's 53F so no rebuke

[tall notch]

Are you playing hitless Medea????

[past salmon]

Axe is easily capable of 53F
I tried it for like 4 runs and got to Oceanus everytime I wanted to cry

[past salmon]

53F Medea basically requires hitless yeh
Unless U get trusty from jesus

[tall notch]

Hitless run on the least safe weapon ever
You need help lmao

Btw @past salmon, what's your fave special boon on Moros?

[past salmon]

Zeus probs idk
Hera is great too

Dem is probs good but I just click cast

[tall notch]

Ty! Idk if I'll try learning Moros properly but this will be useful for what I'm trying to cook on new Eos

[robust prism]

#h2-feedback message guys Moros keepsake is useless you heard it here first

[tall notch]

That's such a low fear take 😭
Tbf they're not even wrong for low fear. Normal rooms aren't scary at all at that level

[bleak night]

I used to think Stubborn Def was terrible when I was new in H1

[tall notch]

Tbh i still don't like stubborn/pin but that's because I don't vibe with the playstyle, I know they're strong

[past salmon]

bro feedback is such a channel man 😭

[past pewter]

someone just said skulls are bad

[past salmon]

TRUE
PLEASE BUFF THEM

[past pewter]

add a block during the bullru- i mean special

[past salmon]

just make you invincible during special imo imo

[plain fossil]

ur already invincible during special just dont get hit

[past salmon]

TRUE

[plain fossil]

so u know how hippo shots have homing

daybreaker is like that except with brain damage

[past salmon]

ok got it

[robust prism]

I think pin becomes useful way faster than stubborn did though

like stubborn was pretty much only for like 45/50+ heat right?

pin is already good at like 20 fear

or if you're just new and haven't won a run yet just trying to get as far as possible

it's just better

[past pewter]

Stubborn was recommended when you took LC4 which is around 32 heat

or 9 heat if you want to reset faster

[tall notch]

Lc4 at 32 heat still sounds like insanity to me tbh

[past pewter]

Definitely a learning curve but it’s fine imo

[tall notch]

If 32h is your goal there's no point learning it

[tender anvil]

I actually did 32 in Hades with all aspects with +100% damage and no healing. Key was not taking +speed - imo it was actually much harder in H1

I’m still not comfortable taking EM 3 minotaur with 40% speed, and no H2 bosses come close to that

Guess adding an EM-like vow might change it

[past pewter]

Yeah it really doesn’t take that much to learn

[robust prism]

yeah I don't think taking lc4 at 32 heat makes much sense

[tall notch]

It made sense if someone aimed high and wanted to learn it early

[robust prism]

sure but that's just you then, I don't think it makes stubborn objectively more useful if you could have had an easier time at 32 by just taking the death defiances and a different pact

[bleak night]

I just updated Discord and the font became weird

[thorn dagger]

How does Extra Dose (Apollo boon which doubles attack chance) work with skulls?

[past salmon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1246695893361496087/1252211235504783390/20240617204009_1.jpg?ex=66716417&is=66701297&hm=a570b117df38f44d50a064a91448ea3a36a7f11900d0a9b02c3e6b9601d5b407&
Funny sprint

[bleak night]

@bold sluice Hiya, you still need help with the 32s ?

[bold sluice]

Yup i'm gonna start it for the 1st time

[bleak night]

What's your previous fear before 32 if you don't mind me asking?

[bold sluice]

x16

[bleak night]

ah, a bit of a jump, but nothing impossible. I'm guessing you play your game in a non-English language or do you play in Eng ?

[bold sluice]

French language

[bleak night]

Ah, can we use the site when talking about the Fear options? idk the terms in Fr is all

https://hades2-fear-run.vercel.app/Oath this one over here

[bold sluice]

I can switch to eng btw

i mean if we can change language

[bleak night]

It's alr, website is already in Eng, you can just apply it to your game once we have a good setup for you. What weapon btw ?

[bold sluice]

Lim and Oros

[bleak night]

Which aspect are ya running

[bold sluice]

The 1st the one who deal extra dmg to the back

[bleak night]

ah, basic Mel, hmmm. Have you done Vow of Fury 2 yet? (40% faster enemies)

[bold sluice]

nope

[bleak night]

What's your current setup rn? I can build off of that

[bold sluice]

my x16 run was this

i can't send screen sad

[bleak night]

oh, send it to a private server, then copy image link and paste

[bold sluice]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/417475799344742402/1252217888689885286/image.png?ex=66716a49&is=667018c9&hm=0de3812003587877ebbdf9f9df0f5986f78f4c3681eb4f1c7491b3e57fccf806&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=550&height=311

[bleak night]

Would you prefer no timer ?

It'll make the enemies harder, but you can play patiently to minimize hits without it

[bold sluice]

No timer in my x16 i was playing ultra safe

i prefer playing with no timer to concentrate on the run and not stressing about time

[bleak night]

Kinda hard with no timer then, but if you can play patiently then it shouldn't be too bad

[bleak night]

You can swap Bitterness (onion) for Commotion rank 3 (more enemies) if you think you really need the first boon https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1252218785251983401/image.png?ex=66716b1f&is=6670199f&hm=abe6d39832f77e145ae97eb5c58f27f3a77f17323515dbacd7243b0afb24cbf9&

There's a bit of a timer as well, (9 minutes per area), which you can swap out for something

[bold sluice]

9 per arena.. i sometimes struggle in the 2nd arena but i think i can handle it

[bleak night]

Oceanus is the smallest one, at least. Just 8 areas, with one being a mid-shop and one being the pre-boss room

[cloud scarab]

any hints on how to set up a 20 fear run for the axe... I am bashing my head against it and make it to Chronos and then die every time... (which fear, build tips, keepsake order)

[bold sluice]

I always struggle with oceanus idk why, 1st 3rd et 4th area are free for me but 2nd don't like me lmao

[bleak night]

You wanna try Charon Axe instead? It's rather safe compared to the other Axes, so it doesn't struggle as much vs Chronos

[bleak night]

What part of it makes you struggle if you don't mind me askin

[past salmon]

dont worry I feel you 💀

[bold sluice]

take too much damages from the little fishis kinda annoyin + sometimes boss makes me want to go boom

[bleak night]

ah, for the little fish just set the Cast down, it slows them down a lot

they try to lunge when attacking, and the Cast kind of cuts that lunge distance by... half? kinda

[cloud scarab]

so what cast, dash away and then special on it to blow it up, rinse and repeat?

[bleak night]

That's one way of playing it, yeah. I personally prefer to play it in medium range, but playing it like an artillery weapon works perfectly fine

I have some gameplay against Eris, who's really mobile, if you wanna see

[bold sluice]

Better to take frinos or toula for 32 ?

[bleak night]

You have Healing on and no Vow of Suffering, right? Just take Frinos

[low bear]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1233146305308528650/1252222949398675516/Screenshot_1839.png?ex=66716f00&is=66701d80&hm=b9583796fe18303834e3ce4d8474361faf598c241549779b6a058c9a6e262936&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=2057&height=1157

Finally 45F Charon

[bleak night]

gj gj, it was kinda awful wasn't it ?

Are you doing them all 45 now ?

[past salmon]

nice!

[low bear]

yeah I tried playing Onion and 7 minute but that was sooo painful, so had to bite the bullet and take 5 min timer instead

[past salmon]

I dont have 45F all aspects myself
I cant bring myself to do certain ones like Mel daggers

[bleak night]

you got Torrential though, so that's a massive W for extended fights

[low bear]

probably not I can't imagine doing 45 with MEL DAGGERS ir Mel staff

[bleak night]

I still have about 5 aspects that are 32

[past salmon]

Mel staff is fine its actually optimal as in all staff aspects r the exact same if played optimally 😭

[bleak night]

I'm kinda done with Axe challenge runs now unless they add EM

[low bear]

yep I got to Chronos 2-3 times before but always died to timer because no torrential. I knew it was possible if I just got good luck with Apollo/Demeter

[bleak night]

btw you ran Teardrop ?

apparently that's kinda mid on it since you can barely notice the chargespeed change, only Sudden Cleaver has a noticeable one

[low bear]

yeah I didn't know what else to run, Fleece seemed inconsequential since I had torrential, and I figured it would let me clear Tart better

ohhh I didn't know that, my Teardrop is actually still level 1 loool

By Tart I was confident I could win as long as timer didn't get me

[bleak night]

That's fair, the run I uploaded was a mess. Yours seems more standard

[low bear]

Though I was running Revenant so that might have helped a tiny bit at least

[bleak night]

also you didn't have Origination ?

[low bear]

I can't imagine winning with a messy build yet LOL

[low bear]

I did, Dem Cast/Special and APollo sprint

[spare kite]

Tooth is always a safe option tbh
At worst it'll give you more timer overtime lol

[bleak night]

You gotta full send. I was playing in melee range so I have no downtime between setting casts and having it explode

[past salmon]

sometimes messy builds r a buff trust
You get far with a messy build and you gotta LOCK IN

[bleak night]

did you see my 50 Than build

[past salmon]

which one

[bleak night]

The one I recorded. It was Apollo Attack and Heph Special, and somehow I won that one.

[past salmon]

oh yeh that was scuffed lmao

[low bear]

I had to forsake Gale Force early for Dem Cast sadly

[bleak night]

oof, rip

did you have no choice but to get Dem Special ?

[low bear]

I think I also forsook Hera special in room 1 in favor of born gain

[past salmon]

despair

[bleak night]

ah, makes sense then

[low bear]

I got it early in Erebus, I bought Demeter in Charon Mid shop, after 1 roll cast/gale force still didn't appear and I wanted to save rolls, I also had Demeter again on the boss door so I just took special for the damage

[bleak night]

good stuff, especially since you probs ran

[past salmon]

I just mash reroll unless I get what I want im ngl 💀
I do not care just give it to me

and then I spent 9 rerolls on hera and she still doesnt show born gain and I reset
its glorious

[low bear]

yeah I ran fan, got really lucky getting triple earth and Apollo in Erebus

[bleak night]

me trying to mash reroll for Static Shock (I won't get it)

[past salmon]

Literally 😭

[low bear]

true sometimes I go crazy on rerolls and then feel bad because I have 1 left in location 7 in ERebus lol

sadly I had to forsake Cold Storage at some point too, that's actually a decent reason to get Dem Special I think

the freeze extension goes hard imo

[bleak night]

I barely go Cold Storage, come to think of it

[low bear]

that's true tooth probably would have been better lol, I knew fighting Chronos with Charon is super safe though since you just cast, run away, and special him

[bleak night]

I suppose it depends on playstyle

[low bear]

yeah it doesn't appear unless you take Atk/spec and the cast is just too good tbh that it becomes kinda redundant

[bleak night]

I have melee brainrot, so no matter how long range my weapon is I'm still going melee lmao

[low bear]

yeah I'm not too perfect at melee with Chronos yet, actually one of the main reasons I chose Charon for 45F is because of how safe it can be against him

[bleak night]

I managed to do a damageless Chronos with no dds left on melee Axe, so that's my peak. I have no doubt that my next 5 fear run will take 200 damage from Chronos lol

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1252145384818610218/50f_Chronos_fight.mp4?ex=667126c3&is=666fd543&hm=6ff77a9d5572d674ada7ba140079644d7bde78ff0cc592477b53262e6d81892c&

[low bear]

sheesh that's some good stuff, I need to practice Chronos more at melee

[bleak night]

this barely happens, my usual is eating at least 200 damage lol

[low bear]

50F is crazy too I can't imagine going that high lol solely because of ONION

I hate this vow so much

[bleak night]

Onion's terrible, that's why I run Artificer

[low bear]

every high fear onion run I've done is full of pain and suffering

[bleak night]

I don't think Artificer is any good though outside of high fear/onion

[low bear]

true, I guess it's borderline required to get you through Erebus at 50F

[past salmon]

depends on wep
On weapons that absolutely require something to get going
its pretty necessary yeh

[low bear]

I hope it gets buffed if/when Arcana gets reworked

[past salmon]

Like my Medea 50F didnt have Arti and one of my Moros 50F that got to Chronos didnt have arti either so

[low bear]

with onion sometimes I get through Oceanus without getting a single boon lol my god keepsake is left unused

[low bear]

ah fair I guess those weapons have nice damage already out of the box

[past salmon]

honestly its kinda suprising on moros tho
Moros doesnt do like anything before a gain boon

[low bear]

true, or run the Unseen 💀

I hope Unseen gets buffed too, feels like it should be like 3 grasp

[past salmon]

look I tried unseen at 50F its just too slow 💀

[thorn dagger]

I do this:```
Max Vow of Fury (foes are 40% faster) +6 Fear
Max Vow of Wandering (enemies from a different region) +3 Fear
Max Vow of Dominance (enemies have 30% more HP) +3 Fear
Max Vow of Arrogance (prime 10 magic per rarity of boons) +4 Fear
Max Vow of Panic (start with 0% magic) +1 Fear
Max Vow of Haunting (50% chance of revenants) +2 Fear
One Vow of Commotion (+20% more enemies) +1 Fear

[past salmon]

my 45F Persephone win uses Unseen and ONLY unseen as gain tho so clearly its actually OP 😂

[low bear]

not getting a boon in the midshop is pretty huge, which money arcana guarantess for you

[bleak night]

That's pretty good, though I usually try not to turn revenants on with Axe until higher fear levels

[low bear]

yeah sometimes unseen can sustain me, really depends on weapon lol

[thorn dagger]

Why not? The only real problem they cause, I find, is Treasure Chests, which is not that big of a deal.

[low bear]

I would consider adding in timer as well, 9 mins is almost free imo and 7 is generous when you've learned how to deal with the clock

[low bear]

it makes every room take longer and more enemies = more opportunities for things to kill you

[bleak night]

I run Hera on Axe, so I prefer more enemies since they just die quicker in a larger group

[bold sluice]

made it to cronos but died on my 1st 32 sad

[low bear]

you've got it

[bold sluice]

Choked so hard because of the timer sad

died too much on oceanos because of the fishes

[cloud scarab]

I have heard Hera mentioned a few times, other than born again I don't see her as being as strong as say apollo or aphrodite for dmg. Is Hitching really that good ?

[low bear]

hitch is really good for a lot of enemies, plus it's 1/2 origination which is super easy to apply. Hera also has the 2nd highest %damage behind aphrodite

[bleak night]

Turn it off and increase enemy encounter rate, it'll probs help you

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1244104919762337853/49_fear_room_Hera.mp4?ex=6670e77f&is=666f95ff&hm=00e855e348e7d50e95390179e0ab836c7ff187bdb97e718e91b03edd617af01c&

hoping that embedded correctly, it just disappeared on my end

[thorn dagger]

@low bear @bleak night I found that larger number of enemies on screen is the biggest factor for me taking damage. As long as I play carefully, the fact that the rooms take longer is insignificant. I guess I'm like an endurance fighter - I can dodge few enemies for a very long time, but I get overwhelmed with a lot of enemies in a short timeframe.

[low bear]

put Hitch on your main attack that has high AoE, and watch the Sirens absolutely MELT

what weapon were you using again?

usually you can use your cast for crowd control, most enemies can't get through it

[thorn dagger]

If you can utilize Hitch, it's probably the strongest effect in the game.

[cloud scarab]

I've always taken born again (strongest mana regen in game imho) and then maybe the one that prolongs cast and deals damage to new spawns and then jumped the Hera ship

[low bear]

also you could consider taking full Vow of Suffering and trying to get early Heph and Trusty shield which completely negates that vow. That frees up so much fear

[low bear]

Engagement Ring isn't really that good, Demeter is better for freeze and chip damage, Zeus is great for single target damage but depends on the build

[thorn dagger]

By the way, it's called Born Gain, not Born Again. 🤯

[low bear]

Engagement Ring is also annoying because it takes longer before you can reposition your cast

you put your cast down so fast that making it last longer is more of detriment than a benefit

[thorn dagger]

Hera is very strong for a few reasons:

1. She has an infusion which makes all other boons at least Rare, and a boon that makes your boons Heroic. This is invaluable when dealing with the Vow of Arrogance.
2. Hitch + Hereditary Bane can deal up to 60% of damage to Hitched enemies. This means that hitting 3 Hitched enemies will deal +120% dmg just from Hitch (this is disregarding the boon effect itself).
3. Her duo boon with Hephaestus gives +200% dmg on both Attack and Special, and requires only 1 boon from each god to enter the roster. This is especially great when you get the fear modifier which turns boons into onions.
4. Her boons can also be sacrificed to massively boost Zeus boons.

[spare kite]

For her infusion, keep in mind it makes all future boons rare too
So it can actually be worse for arrogance

[low bear]

wait does it affect your future boon choices?

[past salmon]

yeh

[low bear]

I thought you could still get a common and it just gets rarified

[thorn dagger]

I haven't tested it enough, but it seems so

[low bear]

hmm I'll have to test it out myself, but I think that actually tracks with my recent run

[onyx trench]

I really like the concept of Engagement Ring, I just wish it synergized with her boons more

[low bear]

yeah the concept is interesting, I think it would have been cool if it instead applied hitch to all enemies that spawned

[onyx trench]

which aspect of the axe is your favorite post patch

[low bear]

also it should do some damage to foes in the cast tbh, even small chip damage would be fine

[onyx trench]

it does make Erebus easier by destroying the spinny enemies

[fervent narwhal]

what should be my start god keepsake for momus staff?

or what boons are the priority

[spare kite]

Born gain 💀

[onyx trench]

I don’t use Momus staff very often, but I would imagine it really likes the Apollo legendary

[fervent narwhal]

i keep forgetting born gain lol

[onyx trench]

also yeah born gain

[spare kite]

I just start born gain and vibe from there

[fervent narwhal]

i dont like staff at all but its my final testament

[spare kite]

Any origination set up is nice

[onyx trench]

I love staff! I love 30% channel speed letting me super bonk

[spare kite]

I usually do aphro/dem cast

Attack is whatever it shows up or greed for spiteful strength

[fervent narwhal]

ye probably just gonna go for cast stuff to easily get 2 effects on stuff

[spare kite]

Special I sometimes just use it to apply hitch on demand

[onyx trench]

speaking of cast stuff

I’m trying to finish the torch testament, and I am struggling with it

is there a good cast build for the torch that lets me not think until Tartarus

[spare kite]

Zeus cast stuff ig

But also hilarious that you have moros fan considering how good his torches are

[onyx trench]

the aspect is cool! I’m just down bad for moros himself

[spare kite]

What's your vow anyways? That's often the worse culprit than your build

[onyx trench]

I like Moros Aspect I’m just super unlucky and don’t ever get origination on it

[past salmon]

Moros doesnt rlly require origination tbf

[spare kite]

Are you using huntress with it? The omega ghosts explosions count as normals for now

[past salmon]

my 50F moros clear doesnt have origination, tho I did get spiteful

[spare kite]

You already have your +50% there

[onyx trench]

wait, the omega explosions count as normals, not omegas?

[past salmon]

yeh for some reason

[spare kite]

Same for eos daybreaker

Is gonna get fixed surely buuuut while is still there

[onyx trench]

spiteful strength time

does spiteful strength count chaos boons

[low bear]

Spinny enemies can be easily dealt with by your normal cast and they'll all get stuck either inside or around the perimeter of the circle

[spare kite]

When in doubt, just teiple earth lmao

[past salmon]

Spiteful is in fact very good

[spare kite]

Only that the core slot is filled

[past salmon]

no
only core boons

[low bear]

spiteful is very good, no it doesn't count chaos so it works

[past salmon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJxCsQWKC20
Example of spiteful being cracked

[spare kite]

The thumbnail is still so good

[past salmon]

thank Jodie

[low bear]

it helps that born gain and trusty/mint are the prereqs for it which are some of the best boons for high fear

[onyx trench]

That’s what I keep hearing sometimes I don’t wanna start with Hera keepsake…

[spare kite]

Fluid gain is valid on torches if you want that

[onyx trench]

I love that creator lmao

[past salmon]

yeh fluid works
Ive never been the biggest fan tho lmao

[spare kite]

I've been trying it out to brace myself for born gain being stabbed lmao

[low bear]

problem with Fluid is the rest of Poseidon's stuff isn't good unless you're running his core atk/special

[past salmon]

Im sort of just assuming gain boons as a whole will be getting changes tbh
so idrc atm

[onyx trench]

Fluid Gain is really cool until you have six grenade enemies in the fields and you can’t get your bubbles

[spare kite]

His infusion/double up kinda neat at least
If you get hera anyways you can meme with golden rule

[low bear]

and also I somehow always get fluid offered with the atk/special I want so I barely get to click it lmao

[past salmon]

this is why I started going for spiteful on Moros lmao
Kept getting locked out of Hera attack and I got upset 😂

[onyx trench]

hoping scorch gets a good rework, hoping some of the random omega boons get reworks (looking at you local climate), hope I can actually start going for legendaries

[low bear]

I do think scorch has the highest likelihood of getting a buff/rework immediately

[bleak night]

I think all of them are fun, but I do think Than has the most potential

[low bear]

do you think old Than or new Than is better? I feel like the old one was stronger

but I enjoy the new one more I think

[bleak night]

Old one is better for normal runs, medium fear, etc. I'm thriving with attack speed Axe in super high fear, is the thing.

[onyx trench]

I hope some of the hexes get some buffs, I’m a big Selene enjoyer and would love guaranteed path of stars with her keepsake

[low bear]

you should get path of stars right of the box when you get a hex imo

[onyx trench]

sometimes, you just gotta click wolf howl every 2 seconds

But yeah imma gun for spiteful strength on Moros aspect, let yall know what happens

[spare kite]

I wish the nodes were more standardized ngl

[low bear]

lol yeah but I hate it when Spiteful gets offered and I already have boons in my atk/special lol

[bold sluice]

Cronos in 32 (1st phase) wants me to go boom

[dim kestrel]

what are you running?

[bold sluice]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/417475799344742402/1252244790293299311/image.png?ex=66718357&is=667031d7&hm=774475ce603651e9ccffc2146a42187972d9fbaa70ea7f77c5bb243543f043f2& with lim and oros (Melinoe one)

I will get it just need to be more patient when i'm fighting cronos

[past salmon]

I can't rlly give advice on Mel blades other than they suck and pick something else 😭

[cloud scarab]

pan blades are super strong (or used to be, not sure about post patch)

[plain fossil]

For mel blades u can do what jdeeyu did for 42 and reroll for sureshot flurry + play it like shortbus pan

[carmine mural]

What keepsake do you guys like most for Moonstone in the final biome?

[bleak night]

what aspect are you asking about ?

[carmine mural]

Mel

[bleak night]

probs run Metallic Droplet, Engraved Pin or just Luckier Tooth

White Antler is also decent on it, but conditional

[spare kite]

Is funny that lucky tooth gets to shine again now that acorn was moved to arcana

[bleak night]

true

[spare kite]

Lovers daily appreciation

[onyx trench]

Lovers for the win

Love wins

[wind kettle]

has anyone done a 40+ fear Persephone run?

[spare kite]

@past salmon I believe?

[past salmon]

I've done a 45 yeh holup

[wind kettle]

I would've figured it would be the safest aspect, no?

[past salmon]

Yeh it just struggles on time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Av1gXjJsmKw&t=62s

ofc I dont think I played this optimally
Can probably do higher but it starts getting rough
Hera start is probs better than Zeus start and not even for Gain

[wind kettle]

I tried staff attack spam on 45f and while the damage is outrageous with the 2x attack boon, if I don't get extra DD from shops or npc rooms, I ain't getting to tartarus

had a run yday get to echo only for nemesis to be there

[past salmon]

throwback to my first 48F clear that had that happen
Clutched it tho 🙏

[spare kite]

Just tell yourself echo wasn't gonna offer dodge or dds

[wind kettle]

with the staff boon, literally any hit you take is gonna proc DD

[past salmon]

#h2-feedback message
Damn people still be asking for the easiest vow to be even easier 😭

[wind kettle]

I wonder if they'll add more vows

[past salmon]

probs

big reason why im putting above 50F on hold atm despite the fact that there is a couple setups I think I could do

[wind kettle]

I tried a run with the no arcana one and it's just not worth it. I would increase its cost at least

[bleak night]

I managed to get to Chronos on 49 no timer, it was kinda hell

[low bear]

LOL I got Nem in fields and had spirit surge on, I can leave the dialogue box on and let it kill all the ads in the area

[limpid coral]

I think it's a kind of curse that people don't really think about at all cause it doesn't directly affect u in combat and then when it gets u it really feels bad to have choice taken away where the player usually has it.

[bleak night]

does that actually work lol

[limpid coral]

does it also work in reward selection screens?

[low bear]

Yeah it does it killed all the ads

Tho some seemed to respawn?

[low bear]

Possibly I'l have to try it out

[limpid coral]

cause I know u can have a bunch of shades chasing you and pulling you around and still click a reward lol then they just bonk and chill out until you're done

[bleak night]

waiting for my run to be verified

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1252265097209057320/image.png?ex=66719641&is=667044c1&hm=71f7de149781e48917b97dee66408ea187f35411a77e9655a4d052c5ecc21e26&

[pseudo eagle]

after 41h I finally defeated Cronos, yay 🙂

[bleak night]

let's go

[past salmon]

gg!

[civic ocean]

gg

[spare kite]

Now do it again

[low bear]

so is it better to just go magicless with 45F Mel Skulls?

[timber pawn]

that strikes me as likely, given how strong things like possessed array are right now

[low bear]

I'm thinking Hera attack and Static Shock and Possessed

[timber pawn]

that sounds like a winning combo

[low bear]

I did a test run and I easily got to the fields with Possessed Array opening but it was through Icarus Hammer so I ran out before Cerberus

[bleak night]

It's just the golden combo isn't it lol

[low bear]

I wonder if it's worth running Damage Control over Revenant if I try to get early static shock

better get my 45F in before Possessed gets the nerf hammer LOL

[timber pawn]

honestly we'll see, it may stick around?

like its definitely strong but hard to say if its too strong I guess

[low bear]

it feels like it's way stronger than every other hammer option

[tender anvil]

Is vercel still working? The website shows a blank page for me

[low bear]

and it works with all of the aspects too

[timber pawn]

ya I guess my question is whether they'll consider making some of the other hammers less-bad lol

[bleak night]

Works for me, but only if I enter through the home page https://hades2-fear-run.vercel.app/

[timber pawn]

Collossus is also good, for Medea at least

[low bear]

that's true though on its own I still think it's super powerful

[spare kite]

Possessed will get some nerf I believe
Not the old downside tho

[timber pawn]

that would be my guess ultimately

[low bear]

I think the auto retrieve one should just remove the downside

-1 skull is way too harsh

[timber pawn]

that would make it significantly more worthwhile ya

as opposed to a literally-never-take

[low bear]

and it's not even that good

[spare kite]

Auto retreat w/o bolstered is so sad

[timber pawn]

ironically my mel skull 32 run when I was doing all aspects used that hammer lol

[past salmon]

hey u take it if you already have bolstered

[spare kite]

Also I hope they make full salvo work with mel

[timber pawn]

valid

[low bear]

even if I had bolstered I would rather have 5 skulls than 4

I think

[timber pawn]

ya there's a lot of little kinks like this still to be worked out

[low bear]

I wonder what if possessed got the -1 instead

but still no delay

[timber pawn]

now there's an interesting idea

[spare kite]

[tender anvil]

It does, cheers!

[robust prism]

oh yeah that sounds like a pretty good idea for a nerf

[onyx trench]

possessed needs something to make it not insane lol

[delicate lance]

What is the possessed boon? i cant find it in a list

[timber pawn]

it is a hammer for the argent skull called 'possessed array'

it makes it so your skulls explode like an omega attack every time you pick them up

[delicate lance]

ah, nice

[timber pawn]

it used to have a downside that the skulls took longer to drop, last patch, but they removed the downside

and now its extremely strong

[low bear]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/978667623090905138/1252286072981950665/image.png?ex=6671a9ca&is=6670584a&hm=c15306652b775cfd704556aeb05e1c2fb823b0e17cbd9ce2ea91f56526c94ce8&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1375&height=772

lol rip

[timber pawn]

oh dear

[low bear]

Charon is my safe spot, am not leaving this shop

But damn Axe range goes crazy with Apollo

[bleak night]

wait why are you going Apollo attack lol

I'm not one to talk, but still

[low bear]

I dunno for the range I just tried it out

it worked pretty well timer aside lol

[bleak night]

ah, fair yeah

[delicate lance]

apollo attack is pretty great on the axe

[low bear]

I wasn't expecing to get this far tbh I was just doing test runs with Than

[bleak night]

just doesn't do enough damage in high fear is all

[bleak night]

good runs though

[delicate lance]

its great for mobs though

[low bear]

but then I get Psychic hammer and everything died

[bleak night]

Hera usually better for mobs, which I run the most on Than in general

[low bear]

yeah I might try for 45F than just need better luck in Erebus

[bleak night]

damage-wise, it's also the 2nd strongest, only behind Aphro

[bleak night]

That's basically the name of the game for high fear runs no lol. Get luck so you don't die to timer

[low bear]

I killed Hecate 20 seconds past the timer lol

and Syclla I think I had less than 1 second or somethin

[delicate lance]

so, do you guys play with keyboard and mouse or controller?

[low bear]

Controller for me

I heard kbm has some advantages for high level tech but even the game itself recommends you to play on controller

[bleak night]

when I play melee axe, controller

[low bear]

which attack do you recommend, Hera or Aphro I guess?

[past salmon]

kbm

[low bear]

tbh Apollo's added range kinda goes hard

[delicate lance]

my brain cant process the controller for some reason, i can only play kb+m

[past salmon]

both are fine anyway

I dont rlly think either kbm or controller is noticably different

[bleak night]

go Hera on Than

[low bear]

kbm is perfectly fine, it's probably also an advantage if you really want to go high level

[bleak night]

Try doing a mix and it might be nice

[delicate lance]

no, i cant play on the controller

[low bear]

alright I'll try Hera out in my future runs thanks!

[delicate lance]

when i try, i dont do well at all

[low bear]

what's worse is I got Spiteful offered in Oceanus when I already had apollo attack lol

[bleak night]

Oh, rip. I'm pretty bad at keyboard meanwhile because I can't manage without a 360 degree movement gate. I can do controller + mouse though

[past salmon]

stop

no more joycon hybrid
It needs to stop

[bleak night]

[low bear]

ngl I play Controller + KBM in Risk of Rain 2 LOL it actually works

I hate WASD but mouse aiming is so much better

[bleak night]

pretty much, yeah

[past salmon]

Im just super used to kbm tbf
I play pretty much everything on kbm tho I did go through a controller phase on celeste though I did eventually swap to kbm for it aswell

[low bear]

my wrist starts to hurt when I have it on WASD for too long

I was always a console gamer as a kid which probably contributed to that

[past salmon]

oh I play souls games on controller too
cuz like
yeh

[low bear]

Souls games on non controller is like wtf

I play souls games on dance pads

[past salmon]

yeh
They are NOT built for it lmao

[dim kestrel]

main issue is visually losing track of the cursor, even when the "higher contrast" accessibility setting is turned on

they should make it, like, hot pink or something

[limpid coral]

Having the game in full screen helps with that somewhat

[dim kestrel]

or mainly just bigger

[low bear]

wait do people normally play it not on full screen?

[dim kestrel]

oh, I do

[limpid coral]

Cause if i want to melee in a direction and don't know where my mouse is i just move it really far one way and then it always works

[low bear]

I hate playing games on non-full screen. It feels like I'm watching pirated youtue anime from the 2010s lol

[dim kestrel]

and not like a laptop screen either; I'm using a 2560x1440 desktop monitor

[limpid coral]

But if it had a cursor like nuclear throne lol that would be really nice

That games cursor is really big and stands out, you can't miss it

[dim kestrel]

I think actually what might be happening is that the cursor will disappear sometimes

[limpid coral]

oh noooo

[dim kestrel]

and then when it reappears, it takes a second to find again

[bleak night]

@tame spindle AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

bro just got timer stalled by Chronos I have never seen that in my life

[spare kite]

Did he keep teleporting/insta kills or what

[celest swallow]

i mean, a lot of times the best option for many games is borderless windowed mimicking full screen for the best of both worlds

especially with the ways some games handle being alt-tabbed out of while in full screen (read: not well)

[bleak night]

yes

Phase 1, dude kept teleporting and leaving a timefield where he was, happened 4x in a row

[spare kite]

Lmfao

Smth smth max heat angel's run that got killed to dad using darkness at the last moment

[grizzled tartan]

I have also had 4 in a row…

[grizzled wyvern]

apollo's boon that says attack has a chance to hit 2 times, does that work for omega attack of axe? does each instance of spin dmg have a chance to trigger twice?

[bleak night]

If it says Attack (singular), then nope. They like to make it plural if it allows both

[spare kite]

Dose is attack only yeah

[sour cape]

Yep attack means only normal

Attacks include omega too

[civic ocean]

Extra Dose is also coded to work the same way as Mirrored Thrasher where it's not an additional attack animation, just a pseudo-crit

[limpid coral]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/885007146981396480/1252305011849826324/image.png?ex=6671bb6d&is=667069ed&hm=ca94de34a355103f3b13d189784ddcf4c8fec5b58ed0bc3222cdecf6ab3324c8&

alr what are my odds

[bleak night]

[limpid coral]

my damage kinda sucks ngl cerb took a while but f it we ball

[grizzled tartan]

With artemis daggers its easy. What are those hammers?

[spare kite]

Hook? And idk

[limpid coral]

hook and +attack speed

lmao echo evade has procced like 4 times already in phase 1

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/885007146981396480/1252307549353410631/image.png?ex=6671bdca&is=66706c4a&hm=ca9174bf0a702d04b8b933c3293ff12608374c2598e26cab10bef84fde8a18b3& shoutouts to echo for dodging like 7 times this fight

[timber pawn]

Ayy nice job

[bleak night]

gg

[limpid coral]

kinda wish you could parry with mint condition active

[bleak night]

I just wish Mint Condition would have an audio cue

[limpid coral]

was kinda awkward looking for parries when freeze ring is already doing its thing and i can't parry for burst damage at the start of a room anyway

[spare kite]

They should reuse the call ending sfx

[tired fulcrum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1226642940764487690/1252310995712348291/image0.jpg?ex=6671c100&is=66706f80&hm=916bf0625082de9e9f55ede32204d32106c31bff8924401cffa891408f5fab6a& i swear this is a lie

[limpid coral]

also i keep missing parries on chronos cause i start holding m1 in the middle of an attack sequence and it does the next hit and then stops without channeling

[wise idol]

its def more consistent than before but it sometimes doesn't work for me either'

[limpid coral]

this run skipped onion, commotion 2 and 3, and timer 3, crowded rooms feel so bad to clear with swords huh

[bleak night]

42 is what I'd consider non-masochistic high fear at this point

because it's all the stuff but 7 min timer rather than 5

[civic ocean]

I feel like 42 is probably streakable yeah

[hollow stag]

How does Scorch damage work?

Let’s say I found an Epic Hestia Attack stated to be 30 Scorch damage and I’m using a Staff.

On an attack, does 20 staff plus 30 upfront Scorch get applied upfront? Then a curse of 40 scorch damage is applied over 1 second?

[tame spindle]

😭

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249027052162519153/1252320730931269672/Chronos_Timer_Stalled.mp4?ex=6671ca11&is=66707891&hm=e9db2163f46cbc1dbbaf25fa905e3541f8ded7ef2c9998fa3329c36005318ec0&

saddest chronos fight of my life...

[spare kite]

https://youtu.be/XPH98YZTR7s

[tame spindle]

rip my 45 fear </3

[modern wadi]

is moros blast damage based on special or attack?

[spare kite]

Atk

[modern wadi]

thanks

[hollow stag]

Does increase in Power scale with Omega moves? Or are the power increase the same with base and omega moves?

[civic ocean]

the scorch will run out before 1 second is up if you don't re-apply it

[iron ember]

how do i get chaos' death defiance? i need it for a prophecy

[limpid coral]

have any chaos boon, enter a chaos gate, get lucky

[iron ember]

real

[limpid coral]

i have heard that if a chaos gate spawns room 1 you can give up repeatedly to reroll the chaos boon offering

[surreal yew]

Has there been any talk of how scorch foot makes the eris fight a no brainer? Not complaining, that happened to be how I finally beat her, but it was so strange to go from her shredding to being kind of incapable

[timber pawn]

it has been mentioned ya, I don't think anyone feels soot sprint is OP most of the time, outside that one fight

[civic ocean]

I mean you can make the Chronos instakills do 15 damage I think they're down with Soot Sprint

[wind kettle]

which insta kills

[civic ocean]

all of them

[wind kettle]

i think ill switch to kb+mouse for high fear

[surreal yew]

👁️ elaborate please

[civic ocean]

Look up Coarse Grit