h2-builds-and-combat

[steel sequoia]

i hate oceanus for skulls and knives

[slate pecan]

oceanus is okay except for some rare cases where there are lots of monsters in a small room or in general little safe space. Also pls let me skip last 2 chambers..... there are millions of monsters in them -,-

[bleak night]

I think I'm all set waiting for the aspects they'll drop in the future

I have 30 spare Nightmare and everything maxed

[past salmon]

I do not 😭

[bleak night]

get to farming lol

those meme runs I do always get me Nmare whenever it's on sale

[past salmon]

I can now
I definitely want to save some N-mare up
After all when Skull hidden aspect eventually drops I gotta max it !

[slate pecan]

i have like 0 spare nightmares but everything maxed and a bunch of bones. also could probably get more bones if i sold fish and plants

[past pewter]

How much nightmares do the bounties give

[slate pecan]

1 per bounty, but you can get more than 1 per run i think it happened to me once

[past pewter]

I meant all of the bounties

[slate pecan]

aaa, brb lemme count

i think about 30

there are 5 weapons right? and they go fear 1,2,4,8,16 then 20 or 24 per weapon right?

[bleak night]

tbh just be like Pajama and get 12 void manta rays in a few runs and sell them for 220 bones each lol

[past pewter]

Think you get rewards for 12

[past salmon]

im assuming these are from... chaos?

[robust prism]

I think 12 is only one no? but some of the weapons end earlier than 24 or skip steps I think

[bleak night]

Yeah

tbh I'd already have enough I think, since we'll have about 12 more nightmare for testaments once the 6th weapon and 7th boss is out

[robust prism]

I kinda don't wanna sell all my fish and plants yet just in case they get other uses in the future lol

[bleak night]

I just sell spares

running rod + Toula def helps you get more bones in a run

[past salmon]

Probably dont sell plants since they are the most likely to get more uses
Fish are more saleable

[bleak night]

I'm holding off on selling the rare ones in case something needs them lol

[robust prism]

wait I didn't even know running the respective tool and the familiar for the same resource helped you get even more

[spare kite]

Toula makes it too easy so idc about selling fish rn

[past salmon]

and taking toula is even better because I dont HAVE TO DO THE DAMN FISHING MINIGAME

[robust prism]

I mostly run frog because of hecate

[bleak night]

yeah

[mystic bison]

Who even knows, they might make fish required for some incantations too

[robust prism]

noted

[spare kite]

The minigame sucks so bad

[mystic bison]

I'm so paranoid about selling stuff in this game

[past salmon]

definitely possible I just said its a safer bet then plants

[bleak night]

I get maybe 6-7 fish every run with both

it also helps to just let Grave Thirst decide what weapon you'll use lol

[robust prism]

I feel like the second part of the minigame should only be for the rarest types of fish and/or the fishing together thing

[past salmon]

during my 50F runs I would lose a couple seconds every run because I would go for bone doors over psyche/ash everytime even if they were further away maybe not the best strat for 50F 💀

[mystic bison]

It is, I'm just expressing my paranoia

[spare kite]

Can you even control the blob or do I just pray the fish goes to the circle

[robust prism]

it's definitely super annoying if you have to do it every time now

[bleak night]

how many more Nmare do you need now ?

[mystic bison]

Like I have so many fish but have sold barely any cuz I'm paranoid they'll make them necessary for incantations in the future

[spare kite]

I think is only for rare/legendary fish (which are more common than common fish anyways)

[bleak night]

I just went on runs without any Charon gold vows so I could buy it for 910 rather than 1300

[past salmon]

uhhh
I have 4 aspects left at rank 4
So 12?
I think I have 2 so 10 ig

[bleak night]

Yeah, just start letting grave thirst dictate your choices + toula and rod + no Charon gold cost increase vow

It'll be over a lot sooner than you think

[robust prism]

I feel like I got it every single time nowadays tho I haven't been running fishing rod a lot

[bleak night]

it's fun because Toula can just skip the minigame for you on legendaries and rares

"Oh, a Stalkfin"

[robust prism]

yeah lmao

[tall notch]

Can HAHA YES copy fish?

[spare kite]

Assuming they didn't change fishing odds is still a 50/50 between common/rare rare/legendary depending on reaction time

[bleak night]

I do find it weird that this time around, all the fish sell for the same currency

[robust prism]

actually I'm not even sure which ones the legendaries and rares are here

[bleak night]

nope

[spare kite]

So is easy to just not see the minigame lmfao

[tall notch]

Haha no 😦

[bleak night]

should I list em down ?/

[spare kite]

Pray to chaos for extra fish

[bleak night]

I have all the fish types atm

[past salmon]

Alright fellas I think I can say that this has been a productive day for me im heading to bed 👋

[robust prism]

sure if you want to bother

[bleak night]

yeah idm, gimme 5 min

[tall notch]

Good night! I'll drink another beer for you

[robust prism]

thanks

[spare kite]

I love that chaos kept the same fish

And seeing fish there seems a lot more common too
(Rip darkness tho(

[bleak night]

Common-Rare-Legendary in order

Erebus:
Moper (21)
Figment (32)
Soulbelly (55)

Oceanus:
Chiton (23)
Gutternose (35)
Stalkfin (62)

Fields of Mourning:
Soby (24)
Anguish (37)
Tearjerker (68)

Tartarus:
Jiffy (29)
Goldfish (39)
Styxeon (78)

Ephyra:
Roach (34)
Spike (67)
Zeel (93)

Thessaly:
Squid (35)
Chrab (69)
Tuna (87)

Chaos' Void:
Mati (66)
Projelly (111)
Voidskate (222)

[mystic bison]

I'm missing all of the Ephyra fishes I think, and one from Thessaly

But I have everything else

[robust prism]

I guess I'm just missing tuna, projelly and voidskate

[mystic bison]

The fish spawn rate on the surface is nonsense lol

[robust prism]

I actually think voidskate might have been the only one I never got in hades I either iirc

[mystic bison]

Worse than old Driftwood

[spare kite]

I'm missing the rare/legendary from the rift I think

[bleak night]

edited for bone sell rate

[bleak night]

yeah, it's pretty rough

[bleak night]

oh gn gn

[tender anvil]

Gn champ!

[slate pecan]

good night

[distant ocean]

morning

[bleak night]

[inner ivy]

Can't tell the game isn't bugged af after the patch
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/358692705175339010/1248640824745394176/image.png?ex=666466e3&is=66631563&hm=7d0873a750ebefc55b51353fb094ad695cb7a1d33127369b2055dcc289821dbf&

[unborn void]

Is anyone else having issues with the Hook and Dancing knives combination on Lim and Oros?

Thought it would be sick to have throwing knives bounce to 2 more enemies and come back the same way

But it just ruined my build xD

[storm kelp]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/759346219632951296/1248646050638463068/image.png?ex=66646bc1&is=66631a41&hm=11855f7359fb692607ed4de7b4255053a8bbcceb8f143ee8ff1a318f7fd29278&
@fervent narwhal the axe omega attack build (btw found the chronos one shot attacks safe zone)

[fervent narwhal]

ill keep it in mind, i have everything maxed out aswell so it can be stronger

[tough sleet]

Does the Chaos Boon: "Hobbled Strike" ALSO affect your cast for x attack or is it just your hit

[summer seal]

What problem did it cause?

[bleak night]

this image isn't loading for me for some reason

[unborn void]

They split after hitting an enemy and they try to return to the player, however, the direction is predetermined or so and they will just move away into another direction

I can try to capture it

[storm kelp]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1248647673410490418/image.png?ex=66646d44&is=66631bc4&hm=47369faf8aafc2cf815b66c99badebaafab54e2af4debaa7252328d899ec333f&
can you see it now ?

[bleak night]

for some reason, no

when I open it on browser I get a cdn error, too

[storm kelp]

its on #h2-victory-boasting

[bleak night]

I can see it now, that's a lot of boons tho holy

[storm kelp]

i got one that makes ΩAttack and ΩSpecial hit twice +Aphorodite attack(lvl 5 melinoe has great base attack stat) cleared it

[bleak night]

I haven't done a whirlwind Axe run in a bit, I mostly play hybrid

[storm kelp]

at first i loved axe bc of blocking but then i saw the dmg on Ωattack

[bleak night]

I'm less inclined to use it atm, since the basic attack swings was buffed on both the attacking aspects, but incorporating it on large enemy hordes is really good yeah

[inner ivy]

did they buff hitch

[bleak night]

They didn't change anything boon-wise iirc

[inner ivy]

they had some tiny patches today so idk if it changed anything

[bleak night]

one of the tiny patches nuked the level 16 Frinos

it's just level 8 now with the Circe boon

[tribal citrus]

so... i guess i need to chat here a bunch to get pic posting perms?

[bleak night]

was kinda sad because I was streaming my run to a friend and I wanted to show that glitch off

[bleak night]

Nope, just open up your own private server or smth (takes 3 secs) and post your pics there. Then copy the link and paste it here. None of us have picture perms lol

[tribal citrus]

i see...

[inner ivy]

ohh it just changes it in the tooltip cause i have the other boon

+20% and 5secs

[bleak night]

Oooh, I see

[tribal citrus]

just wanted to say that i actually got the most stupid scorch build....

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/550665847526522882/1248650510152499270/image.png?ex=66646fe8&is=66631e68&hm=733fcea209f8500db68b10f271caecba4a41329663a987262e108f83dcf2f20f&

[bleak night]

Was this a video

[spare kite]

Can't wait for cerb to burrow and delete all scorch

[tribal citrus]

no just a pic, but i just wanted to pause to get a good view of the scorch number

[bleak night]

I wish Scorch would scale based on the stacks you have applied

[steep heron]

that would be op af

[bleak night]

doesn't have to be, maybe put a hard cap on it at maybe 5k so it scorches at a rate of 200 as long as you keep it above

even then it'd be outdamaged by most other boons

[steep heron]

idk, it seems not so easy to explain in quick tooltips like supergiant likes to do

i think with some tuning of the secondary scorch boons scorch will be fine

[limpid coral]

they don't have to put the whole formula in the tooltip, do they?

could just be deals at least x dps, scaling with total amount

[tribal citrus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/550665847526522882/1248654265124261939/20240607170518_1.jpg?ex=66647367&is=666321e7&hm=6f60647d391de527313ff98110cba3102e1eaf4d2361be7b1650eb7bad6f647d&
scorch is so good that uhh.... there is a little problem called "i have no time left"

[proven orbit]

Wdym, the time is right ahead in the next chamber

[limpid coral]

i see that you have 2 minutes left go go go

[past pewter]

Switch aspect to pan

[limpid coral]

double moonshot on pan 🤔

[unborn void]

Slow down time... oh wait...

[tribal citrus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/550665847526522882/1248654940763852912/image.png?ex=66647408&is=66632288&hm=1b99bc0b2cb9af00e779f8deb4d37d6bccecdbc7f88d681e8bb9e4558dbd893a&
is this good? no
is this funny? Yes.

[bleak night]

fat duo

[spare kite]

Just tank with your defia- oh

Oh I thought that was chaos's defiance, the hermes DD icon looks so similar

[tribal citrus]

i already tanked doggo with my defiances

[mystic bison]

I think they look the exact same

Though for Hermes it might be a placeholder, whereas for Chaos it fits the aesthetic

[midnight gate]

Like hiw toula and echo have the same defiance

[plush mason]

Having a really hard time making the torches work on controller, anyone have an tips for starting out? I don't know if I should focus on the attack or special or what boons are good

[civic ocean]

After the new patch, for Mel and Moros you're going to want to focus on the Attack, using Hera's Born Gain to supplement your mana. Find two statuses for Origination, get some attack based hammers and defensive boons, and dash around a lot and you should be good.

So like

Hera attack
Zeus special
Demeter cast
Born Gain

Some heph boons
Coarse Grit

That should work out pretty well

[ionic moon]

feels weird that people are gravitating to attack on mel torches

[civic ocean]

The special is, at least for me, much, much worse.

[plush mason]

Omega Special just feels so weird to rely on, it makes you want to be weirdly mid to close range but it doesn't really stun so I just get beat up all the time

[civic ocean]

Pre patch it was totally fine to rely on the specials, especially something like Pink Aura

But now you can only three times per room without a gain, and the regular special itself is low damage and has an awful fire rate and arc. You CAN make it work, but it's definitely awkward.

[zenith bolt]

old eos without the eos 🔥

[ionic moon]

there's a reason why Demeter cast is so popular

[zenith bolt]

i wonder how -centric builds will fare once vow of arrogance gets fixed

[civic ocean]

Fixed as in nerfed, or just bug fixed

[zenith bolt]

bug fixed - poms remove the vow of arrogance priming (from the specific boon being pommed)

[slate pecan]

so poms are what removes the priming? i noticed that sometimes i have much less primed than i should have but could never pinpoint when that happens

[civic ocean]

Oh, I don't tend to notice that too too much on my builds but I already am putting together a vow of panic build for the torch attack as is

[zenith bolt]

yeah someone else mentioned it to me the other day and ive begun to notice it as i use it

[ionic moon]

the mana economy of the entire game is getting a balance pass for sure

like as soon as you touch born gain, everything else has to follow

[zenith bolt]

though i guess it doesn't matter too much if you dont run boon rarity arcana anyway

[slate pecan]

does pomming any boon remove the primes or only the boon that primed it?

[zenith bolt]

only for the boon that primed it

e.g. pomming an epic boon will unprime 20 magick

[plush mason]

that makes a lot of sense actually

[slate pecan]

does it also remove the prime if you get a pom slice randomly choose that boon?

[zenith bolt]

i believe so

i wonder if they plan on making vow of arrogance affect stuff like rare crop and proper upbringing as well

[plush mason]

Born again is awesome, I think it should be percent mana primed though

[zenith bolt]

though bricking your run bc you take an infusion boon would probably feel terrible

[robust prism]

but that would basically mean that gaining max mana would barely help you

I don't think you would want a reward to just suck like that

[zenith bolt]

there should definitely be some risk of going out-of-magick with it but not to the extent where it's hard to mitigate

[plush mason]

I don't think it would barely help you, sure you would prime more but it would take longer for you to hit that prime point

for example if something costs 25, and you have 100 vs 200 mana, you would get 4 vs 8 casts and if you primed 10% or something you'd prime 10 vs 20

[robust prism]

10% primed would only be marginally less broken than current born gain

barely really

[plush mason]

Yeah no it's like the same

[zenith bolt]

(arguably more broken with high rarity/low max magick because you start priming %s of a magick)

[robust prism]

true

[plush mason]

I'd be interested in like 25% though

[robust prism]

you could get away with having like 30 max magick for the whole run lol

[proven orbit]

Eh, the point of equilibrium will still be 100 max magick

[robust prism]

it should just be a much higher value tbh like 40

either that or keep it low but make the priming permanent

[plush mason]

I think that's good to

Would feel super punishing early but honestly that's probably fine, it needs it's trade offs

[robust prism]

yeah

[plush mason]

I think it's fun to start to stress about being locked out of magic, makes you start thinking, as it is now I don't think I just feel like my mana is infinite

[robust prism]

yeah it's not really even a regen mechanic it's more like a massive increase in max magic

if it's permanent it makes you play way more consciously of when you're gonna drop to 0 magic

and how often you can afford to do it

and it's gonna make max magick upgrades feel more valuable

[civic ocean]

Another option for born gain to bring it more in line with the other regens and how they currently work would be to introduce a time delay, so you don't get the mana back for 3 seconds or so

[robust prism]

true that's also an idea

[proven orbit]

Silver wheel but boon

[steady path]

Hi, I have a question. Is it possible to get Tall Order boon from Hermes or am i just unlucky?

[bleak night]

just unlucky, but also it might have prerequisites like a certain amount per element

try to get one of each element and work towards the second, see if he then offers it. Alternatively, Chaos and Narcissus can give you the elements in one go

[dim kestrel]

both?

[steady path]

have been regularly checking if i have all prerequisites, and it just won't show to my annoyance

[bleak night]

save your rerolls for him

[ionic moon]

20% seems underwhelming for the rarity

[spare kite]

Also infusions work as common boons so don't take rarity buffs

[bleak night]

I honestly think it should be 40%, since that boon requires you to have 8 elements in total

[finite rapids]

anyone finding it really hard to get Life Savings from Narcissus?

[spare kite]

And forsaking should help a bit by deleting 2 boons from his pool (if you have access to the vow)

[vestal bear]

I did actually get myself in that situation the first time I took Born Gain, but only because I had managed to get the cost of my staff omega special to like, 50. So I pretty quickly found myself closing in on 50 max mana quite frequently

[dim kestrel]

I was running out of mana capacity in boss fights with Born Gain using Eos torches

the base version that primes 10 can definitely eat up your mana pool

after a few upgrades / higher rarity though it's much less likely

[spare kite]

Oldeos + exceptional talent def had me priming all my mana a few times

[plush mason]

this helped a lot thanks

[wild pine]

Born Gain is great in general but the reason people emphasize it for torches is that mana-per-second regeneration effects are disabled while you're firing omegas, so with Unseen and Hearth/Lucid/Ionic type Gain effects you run dry and then have to stop and wait to recharge. However Fluid Gain and Fixed Gain, while generally not as good, are also options that can allow continuous omega spam.

[civic ocean]

Hermes won't show you Tall Order unless you take one of his boons with 1 of each of the 4 elements already

[inner ivy]

does anyone feel like eris has more hp after the patch

[bleak night]

not really? Maybe you turned up your HP vows

[dim kestrel]

or you're using a weapon that does nerfed damage?

but that wouldn't be selective to Eris

[civic ocean]

I feel like I do less damage in general with my builds

I gotta push Roast Beef to 32 before it's ready

Pink Aura is in trouble atm. Maybe it's an Eos thing

[dim kestrel]

torch special was nerfed in terms of damage, right, and omega special doubly so because of mana cost

[tired fulcrum]

Pinks balls works though

[dim kestrel]

yeah but they're doing +% damage on a smaller base, right

unless you mean Heartthrob, which should be unchanged afaik

[tired fulcrum]

Pink balls is heartthrob + omega attack spam yeah

Was omega special damage nerfed? What was it before

[civic ocean]

Yeah pink Aura might just be back but be on attack instead

[karmic gust]

scorch torch works really well rn, if you get freezer burn and hestia legendary you apply enough scorch to be constantly doing 120dps burn

[dim kestrel]

believe the regular special damage was nerfed at least; I assumed omega also

[tired fulcrum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1218621088049659930/1242597020028637233/Hades_II_2024-05-21_14-54-36.mp4?ex=66642ae7&is=6662d967&hm=1904c9e17d45036439644d4e30e1763a3ccb798f09d516697fade8b6000c4946&

[dim kestrel]

I take it that's Hestia special + Demeter cast?

[bleak night]

Old Eos

[civic ocean]

So across all 5 weapons I now use Apollo 5 times

[dim kestrel]

I think I use Zeus on everything now... if nothing else for Lightning Lance

[civic ocean]

4 god pool is kinda goodge for Apollo he offers a lot of utility

[tired fulcrum]

Its still slow damage for needing both a legendary and a duo

[dim kestrel]

the expanding cast circle one is a staple for me for sure

[civic ocean]

It's more just throwing Blinding Sprint into a bunch of builds/building wind

[random rover]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/309508873897639938/1248685873113993226/20240607121102_1.jpg?ex=666490d7&is=66633f57&hm=a4f64edb95b15cfde4dc220b1c15c94b3f3a5cfcd6c992e25aced95292011371&

Been awhile since I got this lucky. Incredibly fast like this.

[bleak night]

why'd you get Volcanic Strike tho

[dim kestrel]

crits wouldn't affect Heph blast would they?

[random rover]

Just for fun, then it happened to get a bunch of poms, and it was the only common I had after Erebus, so I had to use the Phial on it.

[bleak night]

ah, fair enough. Carry on.

[karmic gust]

yeah not the best build but its fun

[wild pine]

Aspect of Thanatos gives omega-only crit, so in that case the blasts would not crit. But with white antler, pressure points, etc. they totally do.

[dim kestrel]

for Mel torches I'm wondering whether something like Born Gain + Poseidon special + Hera dash + Demeter cast + The Unseen + Origination + Furies might be a good way to salvage the Omega special spam playstyle

[tired fulcrum]

just use golden rule

[dim kestrel]

there's also that I guess if you get it... I forget what the specific prereqs are. Think you need some Poseidon treasure boons, right

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah the reqs are kinda annoying pos + hera sprint cast or gain and pos double up or oceans bounty

But funny damage

[dim kestrel]

you could potentially get both Flood Control and Coarse Grit to mitigate both small and big hits

[wild pine]

I don't think so. IIRC it went from 20/20 to 15/20. The particle for normal special also now looks visibly smaller than omega. And I doub't they'd have increased the mana cost and decreased damage.

[dim kestrel]

oh, I didn't realize they did the same damage before

seems like an odd choice since normal special was already really hard to make use of

[nimble moth]

why do legendaries seem so incredibly rare?

[tired fulcrum]

Because they are

[nimble moth]

well yes but

[tired fulcrum]

Most of them have 3 prereqs and a base 10% per slot

[nimble moth]

they seem more rare than in the first game ig

[wild pine]

Either because you didn't look up the pre-requisites, which are often things you'd be unlikely to take by accident, or just because they are rare.

[dim kestrel]

I think the stated percentages are misleading actually, because the %s for rare and epic are per boon, whereas for legendary it's one check per set

[tired fulcrum]

In the first game there were more sources of rarity increase and most legendaries had fewer requirements

[dim kestrel]

might be wrong about that though

[random rover]

I'm willing to bet that will change when they do a boon patch.

[tired fulcrum]

We also had more boon drops in the first game due to dark foresight

[dim kestrel]

rarity increase doesn't impact legendaries though, does it?

[wild pine]

It's gotta be a per-boon check because sometimes you get mults.

[dim kestrel]

multiple legendaries?

[tired fulcrum]

Stuff like chaos and yarn have hidden increases

[dim kestrel]

how is that even possible? each god only has one

you do see legendaries and duos offered at the same time sometimes

so those are obviously separate checks

[tired fulcrum]

Legendary chance is rolled per boon slot

[dim kestrel]

if so then it should be offered 27% of the time that you meet the prereqs

[wild pine]

In Hades 1, Duo/Legendary chance was one mechanic, and pretty much everything that gave +% chance for rare or epic boons had a hidden/unlisted +% chance to duo/legendary chance as well. Each boon slot first checked to see if it was a swap, then to see if it a particular type of boon was forced (always get one core boon if any core slots open, certain curse-related boons had an extra chance to be forced), then checked the duo/lego chance, then picked any from that pool.

In Hades 2 there's now a separate Lego check and then Duo check for each slot (if the lego check passes, no duo check is rolled). I believe many things that gives +% rare still do have a hidden +% lego, but only because someone on the internet told me so. I forget the source.

[tired fulcrum]

Slightly lower, cores have 50% priority for first slot

[spare kite]

Core priority was lowered?

[wild pine]

I see multiple duos offered at the same time, so clearly the duo check is rolled per-slot. I'm pretty sure lego check is also per-slot.

[tired fulcrum]

actually maybe i lied

[dim kestrel]

will try to dig this logic up in the code this weekend sometime

[limpid coral]

Does static shockwhatever the <10 mana perk is check the current mana every 5 seconds, or is it a cooldown?

[tired fulcrum]

#1243321064059047946 message theres already a write up in speedcord

[dim kestrel]

I can't follow that link

[wild pine]

From observation during a recent run of mine, it seems like it has a 5-second cooldown and will trigger as soon as you spend your mana down if it's not on CD.

[limpid coral]

nice

[tired fulcrum]

#self-promotion message

[spare kite]

Spirit surge is certainly a boon in fields

I love aggroing all the yellow enemies

[tired fulcrum]

Bloat bags

[uncut urchin]

Had a good time trying the new aspect of Eos on Umbral flames. Had a quick question regarding how it "copies your special" -- specifically had Aphordities special which rewards you for being close. Am I correct in assuming that "close" is always measured to Melinoe, not the omega attack that is shooting its own special?

[wild pine]

sadly yes

[sonic moth]

The special is crazy with Poseidon for eos

Blitz and slip make it better

[low bear]

Wow Apollo attack feels so much better for Eos compared to other gods

The bigger AoE really helps it get a lot more damage out

[past pewter]

I liked hera when i tried it

[ionic moon]

first time trying flick knives, actually pretty fun! seems like it should be an aspect though

[past pewter]

But i haven’t tried Apollo attack

[low bear]

I tried Hera twice and I struggled quite a bit at 32 fear

Err 36

Now I did a 36F run with Apollo and I didn't lose a single DD

[bleak night]

Apollo Attack is just higher AoE among other things, so it's lovely

[low bear]

The big AoE helps so much since Mini-Me can travel so slow sometimes

I had Zeus on special prolly not ideal but it was really good too

[past pewter]

Eos is really just if zeus shield became a person

[wild pine]

It's been a great patch for apollo. His Flourish suddenly feels great on Momus and his Strike on Thanatos and Mel-Skulls.

[low bear]

Now I only have Artemis left for my 36F all aspects

Yeah I almost never took Apollo before

Also Apollo leg + double hammer makes my Omega attack fiire twelve times lmaoo

[wild pine]

Oh, I've heard people say apollo lego doesn't clone the momus turrets

[low bear]

For attack it does, for special it doesn't

[scenic saddle]

whats the hottest build right now?

i wanna throw one run

[low bear]

Strongest? I feel like Pan has taken over as strontest with Old Momus gone

Try out Moros, it's damage can be NUTS

[wild pine]

The Hottest build is Hestia/Hephaestus torches. I recommend Moros with Scorch Strike and Volcanic Flourish, Vent, Glowing Coal, and the double-blast duo.

You could also try Mel Torches with Scorch Flourish and Volcanic Strike, instead.

Either way, try to also get the god who lets you burn stuff whenever you channel -- I think that's Hestia/Hera?

[scenic saddle]

tyty, i ran thanatos and pan before patch but was on a break since i have done everything already. i guess pan, moros, and mel skulls are great now

[wild pine]

I think new Momus is also way up there

and Persephone Skull is probably the easiest win, though not the fastest

[scenic saddle]

öh glory got buffed?

[ionic moon]

yes it lasts shorter but charges up way faster so the uptime is greatly improved

[scenic saddle]

is circe good too?

[wild pine]

Circe is much better than it was, probably now the second-best Staff aspect. But I like Momus a lot more.

One simple tweak would make Circe feel 10x better tho

[scenic saddle]

whats that then

[civic ocean]

Bigger ass

[scenic saddle]

one simple twerk

[bleak night]

[wild pine]

#h2-feedback message

[visual haven]

What is the best build after the patch notes rn?

[civic ocean]

I think it might be Persephone Zeus start

[steel sequoia]

tbh i dont know, i think eos and axes are stronger than the rest but i didnt played skulls enough to tell

[trim summit]

How far from viable is that new staff Hammer that says your attacks happen twice but you take 30% more damage?

[steel sequoia]

with no fear should be fine

[steady nymph]

had some good sucess at 16 fear with momus staff (zeus special, poseidon attack/cast) and zeus/hestia moros candles. Was a fun ride.

[haughty depot]

Can you stack wave strike and flourish on eos for double the waves

[steel sequoia]

i think 16 fear is ok, after 22 things start to get hard and punish a lot

[haughty depot]

On omega attack

[steel sequoia]

i didnt understand, how do you stack flourish?

[steady nymph]

for candles? multiple specials at once are possible. but iirc poseidon knock back has some kind of an ICD

[haughty depot]

Eos Omega Attack specifically

[wild pine]

It's plenty viable. Just don't get hit. Or take one good defense boon and you're back to baseline. I currently think the special hammers and boons work better on staff than attack hammers, but the double-hit one is for sure the best attack option.

[haughty depot]

Wave strike and wave flourish. The Omega Attack says it takes special boon effects.

[wild pine]

Best builds are currently:

Storm Ring Persephone
Storm Ring Thanatos
Storm Ring Circe
Storm Ring Charon
Storm Ring Artemis
Storm Ring Pan
Storm Ring Melinoe
Storm Ring Melinoe
IMO

[steady nymph]

might just stack the damage idk how you'ld get 2 knockbacks at once.

[haughty depot]

Stacking the flat damage could still be strong

[steady nymph]

storm ring with charon seems weird, i think you just really like that cast lol

[bleak night]

Storm Ring Charon is for Local Climate rather than Omega Special Cast bursts

It's good, but takes a bit to get going compared to Special + mana regen

[robust prism]

lmao

[steady nymph]

Yea thats a hell of a combo but i see the potential. Would take a while to turn on tho

[bleak night]

Tbf Storm Ring is actually good on most of those lol

[steady nymph]

just dont get it on momus lol

[bleak night]

Yeah, it kinda is tbf

[wild pine]

Basically just get Storm Ring, get Wolf Howl, Dark Side, or (if on surface) Phase Shift, win game.

[bleak night]

Sounds boring

[stable herald]

Dark Side my beloved

Not the strongest but I'm so greedy for invincibility

[bleak night]

Storm Ring spam + Antler sounds tiring

[low bear]

So is it agreed that Summon ads hex is the best when not counting Moon Water (and it's useless in most of my runs cause I run no healing fear lol)

[bleak night]

Wolf Howl is worth pursuing more Selene over if you use mana on your build

[steady nymph]

i've been really enjoying the morph hex, its up so often i get to turn everything into piggies!!

[low bear]

I summoned a punching guy and it absolutely MESSED UP Cerberus

[steel sequoia]

can we reroll selene boons? i forgot this

[bleak night]

Invulnerability frames on launch naturally, with nodes ranging from hyper-offensive 100% crit to hyper defensive with 1 sec invul on landing. Those two + the ability to do two Wolf Howls in quick succession over the one 40 MP cost you just met

[low bear]

I had +63% summon atk speed and the permanent summon one too

[stable herald]

Yeah Wolf Howl rules

[steady nymph]

no rerolls on selene

[low bear]

I don't like Wolf Howl pesronally because it interrupts my normal gameplay flow

[steel sequoia]

this, screw selene and her shennanigans

[low bear]

That's just me ofc

[steel sequoia]

i just want extra heal gurl

[stable herald]

I had a run where I wanted to test out the new Circe staff but instead got Breaker Sprint, Arctic Ring, Local Climate, and Wolf Howl and just slammed Mel into everything

[low bear]

So summon ads is perfecr, I summon a chonky ad and let him do his thing while I do my thing

[steady nymph]

unless you summon a whimpy ad lol

[low bear]

Well you can control it

You summon the last thing you killed

[bleak night]

I feel like Wolf Howl barely interrupts your tempo because on startup you're just invulnerable

[low bear]

Don't know why desceiption says random lol

[steady nymph]

just mnake sure you dont do it wrong and its great! almost all the hexes are good now tho

[low bear]

I still don't like dark side

[bleak night]

Dark Side's not very good in general is all

[haughty depot]

Dark side getting nerfed is kinda absurd

[low bear]

I'll try out a full wolf howl build I guess, I had one rum with two upgrades on it and I didn't like it

[bleak night]

It's just invulnerability

[low bear]

Yeah wth wifh Dark Side lol

[steady nymph]

darkside is only good if you get the special/attack while in dark form bs. but thats risky cuz it might not even show. other 2 mediocre ones are the 4 sec aoe and beam. They just need something.

[proud sparrow]

Will someone who enjoys using the skull give me an elevator pitch on why you like it

[stable herald]

Persephone Omega Special go vroom

[bleak night]

Rip, the person who spams it and beat 50 Fear with it is asleep

[civic ocean]

Who did 50 skull

[quiet axle]

Mel Skull requires no magick use AND you can attack at range.

[steady nymph]

Mel skull build is amazing with extra shells or shotgun shells. That was my first 16 fear clear as well.

[bleak night]

Foolish ran through it earlier

[civic ocean]

Sick

[haughty depot]

High damage early

[low bear]

Aphro attack
Weed Killer
Possessed Salvo

Nuke things to non existance

[bleak night]

Apparently he recorded it all, too, so ig we'll see how he did it

[tender anvil]

On Medea, of all things!

[proud sparrow]

I'm trying to do a chaos trial and I legit used it once in a normal run and found having to collect annoying.

I will try to have a more open mind

[stable herald]

Medea skull is fun once I figured out it's like the cast loading aspects from Hades 1, but the moveset isn't very robust since you're kinda giving up a reliable attack to have a super strong special tackle

[bleak night]

Weave your specials in to assist with collecting. Also I like to fire point blank sometimes

[wild pine]

Night Bloom used to be my favorite but it's edged out by new Wolf Howl.

I hate how it gets bricked by certain boss fights and minion-mancers who spam trash at me. Cry every time I summon a shambler vs Polyphemus for instance.

Wolf Howl is a great safety tool that's now almost-always available if you're not spamming it for damage. With upgrades the damage can be very good actually if you have white antler or a lot of global damage buffs. More importantly the invuln+ reposition can accelerate boss kills and dangerous room clears significantly.

You can't use normal attacks and specials during the animation but you can drop omega casts or Eos Daybreakers or Momus turrets or Mel-Torch Omega Specials or Psychic-Whirlwind Axe-Hammer Omegas or stack scorch or trigger heph blasts and use the air time to stay safe while you wait for your damage to pop off.

You can also get pretty good passive move speed going for when it's not charged, although unfortunately it will almost always be charged.

Edit: Oh and if you miss lightning lance, the 1-sec invuln from Wolf Howl is enough to drop on top of a fool and Storm Ring him before peacing out.

[proud sparrow]

Thank yall! I'll try some new stuff

[bleak night]

What aspect are you running btw?

[proud sparrow]

Melinoe

[haughty depot]

Is there any good build that doesn't use origination or nah

[bleak night]

Run Hera on Attack and Dem on Special or Cast, try to fire point blank or as close to it as you can if you can help it so the travel time is reduced.

[wild pine]

Sometimes on White Antler runs I disable all 3-cost cards to turn off Centaur.

[steady nymph]

what build wouldn't tho? its free 50% damage for having curses you'd get anyway.

[weak meteor]

You can also sometimes pick up a Lightning Lance equivalent from Dad.

[steady nymph]

grasp in general is amess tho

[stable herald]

I can never figure put what I want for my arcana lol

[bleak night]

It's funny because if I had 31 grasp I'd be getting everything I want already

[dim kestrel]

Charon Axe is considerably stronger now with the faster special charge + time slow

[stable herald]

Is it too greedy to try and activate the higher epic/duo boon arcana?

[civic ocean]

You can try it

[weak meteor]

Epic isn't greedy, adding in duo is a bit greedy.

[steady nymph]

epic boons isn't greedy at all

[haughty depot]

Duo Arcana activation is hell

[bleak night]

Which row do you people activate to get Divinity running ?

[haughty depot]

Top

[civic ocean]

I do Queen on Charon currently

[wild pine]

Origination is probably skippable if you run Onion and Apollo or Aphro cores are good for you. Especially if your weapon aspect also gives % damage or you're running Embryo

[weak meteor]

I like middle row.

[dim kestrel]

I've mixed it up

for awhile I was doing row 4

[bleak night]

I can never find a row I want to fully use

[wild pine]

I've tried all 3 of the first rows and going no-divinity since the path. On 32 Fear they all feel reasonable.

And yeah I always do have to blow grasp on at least 1 card I don't care about.

[stable herald]

Row 4 easily for me

[dim kestrel]

yeah, it almost always feels like I'm taking at least one card that I wouldn't otherwise want

[steady nymph]

Its almost always first row for me

[weak meteor]

That's probably intentional.

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1247782897457303562/1248305059817586830/image.png?ex=66647fae&is=66632e2e&hm=be24655b7eb7f6017ceb708e2c79ea25cd980aed1fb842d73264f15648518a50&

This is my setup, with Huntress and Moon being interchangable depending on Aspect

[steady nymph]

a lot of really bad cards have high grasp and its weird

[weak meteor]

Other than The Moon though, Middle Row has stuff I quite like.

[bleak night]

Moon is important on Charon is all, so I like taking it

[stable herald]

Also I hope they eventually add unique art for the cards, then it'll be easier to figure out at a glance snd also because Hades tarot cards would go so hard

[dim kestrel]

lately I've been skipping Boatman in favor of Unseen, and going without Excellence (which I never used to do) in order to fit in more of the likes of Strength, Lovers, etc

[bleak night]

Whuh

[weak meteor]

Moon is perfectly fine! I don't hate it at all. But it ends up being the 'weakest' in the middle row if I have to think about it a lot.

[past salmon]

oh ok guess ill just go f myself

[bleak night]

Is that the link to your 50 fear run Foolish

[proven orbit]

Is that really weird? High grasp means it's harder for them to feel worthwhile

[past salmon]

yeh

[wild pine]

I run that load-out fairly often but also sometimes I enjoy having fewer rolls and playing luck of the draw more. You could skip Boatman or door re-roll+insta-dash to fill out your top row.

[bleak night]

Post link

[dim kestrel]

yeah, Moon does not feel that impactful to me

[past salmon]

https://youtu.be/6RC6rLhDQ6Q
@bleak night @slate pecan

[bleak night]

[past salmon]

@tender anvil @slate pecan @tall notch

[robust prism]

usually 1, sometimes 3

[weak meteor]

I still like it. Strength is pretty great though. Lets you hang around at low health doing Origination level damage, taking half damage and just generally being stronk.

[proven orbit]

I hate that I was able to read the cropped out text

[dim kestrel]

I've also gone back to running Unseen regularly after going without it for a long stretch. Just nice QoL to have a fallback source of mana regen

[past salmon]

lmfao

[weak meteor]

I don't hate Moon at all though. It's still a good card in middle fill.

[civic ocean]

Moon busted

[wild pine]

I heard a rumor that Strength's text is misleading and it doesn't give a global damage bonus. Only actually applies to attacks and specials or something.

[robust prism]

I mean moon is really good for Charon and Persephone specifically

[weak meteor]

Really? That would be sad. I haven't tested it at all, so I can't say.

[slate pecan]

yoo finally

[robust prism]

otherwise not as much though you can still try for an omega cast build with something else Ig

[slate pecan]

i see you're fellow kbm player as well

[wild pine]

and Circe and Momus

[robust prism]

if you're planning to go big on the omega cast with those, but you don't have to do that

[past salmon]

indeed

[slate pecan]

damn medea gameplay is intense, so many dashes

[tender anvil]

Off to watch the show

[dim kestrel]

I think Momus you really want to be using all three of O-attack, O-special and O-cast, since they can be used concurrently, but using the same one again replaces the last instance

[weak meteor]

Good with Pan too. If you're tossing out your Cast anyway, may as well omega it a lot of the time.

[robust prism]

yeah you do but you'll probably still end up prioritizing some of them over the others

I agree that moon is good on it tho

[dim kestrel]

I don't like Omega cast with Pan, personally. I want to be able to drop it quickly and then O-special. Would rather have something like Demeter

[wild pine]

I generally find myself only using 2 of the 3 in most encounters.

[weak meteor]

The Localized Weather one? Scary.

[slate pecan]

i almost never use omega cast with pan, i tend to first start channeling omega special then tap q for normal cast to save some time

[weak meteor]

That's fair!

[dim kestrel]

yeah, fair, I've only done one run with it since the patch, and I was mainly using attack and cast, with Heph on special for an occasional burst

[weak meteor]

I bound cast to my middle mouse. So much cozier 😄

(For me personally.)

[bleak night]

Jfc your weapon just busts through blue hearts like butter

[slate pecan]

i can see how that can be beneficial as to press q one has to move a finger from awsd

[wild pine]

I feel like this is very run- and build-dependent, maybe also zone-dependent. When the dream Pan build comes together you eventually do so much damage with special that channeling the cast is a waste of time. But it can take a while to scale up to that level and I do find that a beefy omega cast helps me a lot in Erebus and Oceanus

[dim kestrel]

I just mean Arctic Ring

[weak meteor]

Freeze is very handy.

[bleak night]

Oh, he's probably asleep already again

[weak meteor]

Aphro cast is nice too, especially if you get Weak damage amp.

[wild pine]

The Omega-cast is also way more mana-efficient for AoE clears than the pan special is for a while

[slate pecan]

i mean sometimes i would spawn an omega cast on top of spawning enemies, especially early on in the run, but now that i'm playing with 2 blue hearts i basicall never do that. also when using cast while already channeling special no time is wasted to put that cast down and it serves as a protection from incoming enemies

[past salmon]

its definitely way more manageable than Mel skulls and Axe yeah
It is still pretty bad because they make it more unsafe and yhen you just like die a lot

[bleak night]

Go sleep lol. Someone already posted your video in the speedrun server so dw, people know

[wild pine]

Oh yeah with blue hearts omega cast is super unwieldy unless you pick up arctic ring, gale force, or smolder ring

[past salmon]

oh I should probably join that server can you inv

[slate pecan]

first 3 - 5 chambers of erebus with pan and onion vows pretty much all you have are unreliable short range small aoe melee attacks

[bleak night]

Sent

[dim kestrel]

I generally try to get Heroic Poseidon special after Erebus with Pan, so I'm somewhat restricted in what else I can take early based on RNG; plus 2x Blue Hearts is easy Fear so bare O-cast is not very good

[weak meteor]

I assume by picking up a common special and then using Narcisus?

[dim kestrel]

ideal Erebus for me for Pan is common Poseidon special, Rare+ Lightning Lance, and obviously one of the hammers that buffs O-special

[sand crow]

ooh cna you invite me too

[dim kestrel]

yeah, exactly

[bleak night]

Sure

[weak meteor]

I guess your setup doesn't include any of the rarity arcana then, very specifically.

[civic ocean]

Can u invite me too Mynt

[sand crow]

also guys I need so much help with beating 32 fear

[civic ocean]

I'm already in I just want ur attn

[bleak night]

LMAO

[slate pecan]

notice me senpai

[jovial river]

What weapon are you using / what’s your favorite?

[dim kestrel]

I've tried it with nothing and found better success with Divinity but not Excellence

[civic ocean]

Have you tried being sicknasty with it

[wild pine]

I take blue hearts on torch and sometimes momus/perseph but skip it most everywhere else. Here's my current default 32F loadout. Sometimes I turn on onion or fury to reduce suffering, blood, or commotion.

EDIT: Can't post image

[sand crow]

I'm best with Artemis, Moros and Than rn

[slate pecan]

with artemis avoid blue hearts i can tell you that much

[dim kestrel]

so on the second boon I have a good chance of at least rerolling into an Epic. With neither one you're running a high risk of getting stuck with a second common and getting the wrong Heroic

[sand crow]

the part I'm struggling with more is honestly the arcana loadout

[steel sequoia]

my fav aspect is charon/persephone, but i play better with eos and pan. im bad anyways.

[slate pecan]

that's how i used to run! and poseidon keepsake! that heroic pos special from room 1 is a powerhouse

[civic ocean]

What do you want to do with the Artemis blades

[sand crow]

see I have this chronic disorder called a skill issue

[civic ocean]

Me too you will get sick with it soon

[wild pine]

Full: Blood, Suffering, Dominance, Wandering, Destitution, Scars, Panic, Arrogance, Forsaking.
Desperation: 7 minutes
Commotion: +20% enemies

[dim kestrel]

yeah, I meant blue hearts specifically with Pan daggers. It's obviously a bad pick with slower weapons

[bleak night]

Just get better then

[slate pecan]

a fellow pan enjoyer i see

[dim kestrel]

I mean who isn't

[sand crow]

oh my gosh you just totally disrespected the skill issue community, you're so gonna get cancelled on x dot com >:(

[dim kestrel]

I rotate weapons, but Pan is my go-to for daggers

[wild pine]

Yeah but I specifically don't take it on Pan, harshes my groove too much.

[bleak night]

I don't really play Blades...

[steel sequoia]

i tried 32fear yday entire day with everything i could do and didnt made it

[bleak night]

Oh god no

[steel sequoia]

need to play with the skull tips later tho

[bleak night]

I can help you with Axe if you need it later on

[steel sequoia]

i wont play today, but if i need ill def ask later

[sand crow]

the build I was trying out was basically heroic aphro attack with omega attack spam

[past salmon]

if you are running skulls I can probs help out a bit

[bleak night]

"A bit"

[past salmon]

tbf Mel skulls arent my forte I literally play them like Medea like a psycho lmao

[bleak night]

Oh, well damn. lol

[sand crow]

problem is that if I have my typical rarity boosting loadout I can't use Arrogance because then I can't omega attack

[bleak night]

I can teach you to 32 with Axe at least

[sand crow]

yes please mynt

🥹

[bleak night]

Run Vow of Panic and just ignore omegas entirely while playing either Mel or Than. Up to your preference in power vs speed

[steel sequoia]

idk how to play skulls except persephone, tho i wont be playin today imma go out soon

[bleak night]

Lemme dm the arcana setup

[dusty sapphire]

Medea does pretty well on vow of panic

[weak meteor]

I really hope they add loadout options for the Arcana at some point. Would be so cozy.

[dusty sapphire]

you want zeus anyway so you get huntress automatically, static shock et all from the very start, etc

or no not static shock that's a different thing

the one that deals damage when you're at <10 magick

[bleak night]

Did you see Foolish's run

[grizzled timber]

uh how do i have 11k sprint dmg if i didnt take any sprint boons https://imgur.com/SW1cHzI

[dusty sapphire]

no

[grizzled timber]

is that toula now that i think about it?

[dim kestrel]

I haven't done 32 yet, but my 24 loadout for Pan is pretty broad/thin:

Blood 1 (1)
Dominance 2 (2)
Rebuke 2 (2)
Fury 1 (3)
Suffering 1 (2)
Wandering 2 (3)
Scars 2 (2)
Destitution 2 (2)
Foresaking (2)
Arrogance 2 (4)
Desperation 1 (1)

[wild pine]

She can get her own line item sometimes, but maybe things can get combined or split

[dusty sapphire]

there's no shot you got toula to deal 11k damage

[grizzled timber]

then how did i get sprint dmg without sprint boons 💀

[wild pine]

I'm not sure, but I also recently got an implausibly high "sprint" damage ratings. I did have a level 1 common zeus sprint but this was a persephone skull run where I mainly specialed around

[grizzled timber]

hmm zeus revenge maybe?

[spare kite]

Sprint is certainly a mystery

[grizzled timber]

this was charon axe so idk anymore

[rare brook]

What would be rather easy 32 fear setup?

[dim kestrel]

for what weapon/aspect?

[wild pine]

I would definitely rather go for more fury or blood than rebuke here personally but to each their own.

[dim kestrel]

really? interesting. I haven't tried Fury 2 yet, that sounds hellish

[rare brook]

Staff, thought about momus, but it could be melone too

[dim kestrel]

Maxing Blood and Suffering at the same time is bold

[thorn sleet]

may i have this as well

[wild pine]

I just hate being locked out of efficient use of Lightning Lance, Smithy Sprint, Spontaneous Combustion, Wolf Howl, Omega Attack, Volcanic Strike, etc.

[rare brook]

Wolf Howl?

[spare kite]

Blue hearts are just big feel bad tbh
Tho idk which aspect is this

[dim kestrel]

fair enough; I definitely do lean heavily on Lance, but see it mainly as a range thing rather than a damage thing

[rare brook]

I still don't remember all boon names

[dim kestrel]

though I guess there are some things that are one shot by it even with buffed hp

[spare kite]

Jump hex

[bleak night]

Oh, sure

[dim kestrel]

Pan

[steady nymph]

blue hearts are free fear with pan

[spare kite]

Seems fine ig

[dim kestrel]

more or less, that's how I'm thinking about it

[rare brook]

And spontaneous combustions is the boon that give super good magick regen at cost of 20 HP?

[dim kestrel]

only 2 fear though, so y'know, not hard to imagine an advantageous tradeoff existing in the interest of more instakills

[rare brook]

Not sure if apollo sprint is not better

[steady nymph]

all magick regen boons are "Something Gain"

[spare kite]

Scorch'd enemies explode on death
All the regen boons have the "gain" on the name

[bleak night]

Sent

[rare brook]

I just don't know good builds and why they are good

[dim kestrel]

I end up cutting it pretty close on time in Erebus especially even with 9 mins, but could be if I got rid of blue hearts I could do 7

and maybe take less damage in the process

[wild pine]

On Pan I feel like often my biggest struggles are to cope with rooms with numerous small fast-moving targets. Skulls, rats, eyeballs, occasionally even birds. Hourglasses who spread out and surround me from all sides. It's not efficiently to try to cast-trap and flurry each one and they often don't even stay in your cast for long anyway. I find that without the blue shields it's dramatically easier to clear the aggressive chaff with individual normal specials and with passive sprint or cast damage while staying on the move.

[dim kestrel]

I think this is called Hearth Gain

[spare kite]

Also yeah I really don't like giving each enemy a lovers card for free lol, time still adds up

[steel sequoia]

hearth gain but its -20% HP not -20HP

[dim kestrel]

yeah

[steady nymph]

no disagreements on how annoying blue hearts can be but cyclone or freeze cast helps a lot with that. Once again demeter is just about the safest god.

[steel sequoia]

feels weird not being aphro with this name

[dim kestrel]

I guess the problem is Lightning Lance hits first so you're wasting the big damage hit and then getting the smaller ones in

[dim kestrel]

Hearth, not Heart

as in the thing Hestia is goddess of

[wild pine]

Absolutely. But besides chaff swarms the other worst part of a pan run is getting up to the point where I actually have a decent poseidon special, a mana solution, some CC and preferably some channel or move speed online. On the margin I make a lot of my fear and arcana choices based on making it suck less when my build doesn't come together than to make it run smoother when it does.

There are a lot of times in Erebus and Ephyra where even on Pan I greatly value the ability to chunk people with the omega cast or attack.

[dim kestrel]

yeah, that's probably a good approach. One reason I've been running Unseen again lately

so at least I'm never stuck with no mana

[past salmon]

yeah can confirm static shock is kind of insane 💀

[steel sequoia]

oh makes sense, im not native english speaker didnt knew it was different

[steady nymph]

hearth is like a big fireplace in the middle of the room

[dim kestrel]

yeah, it's like a fireplace

and is also a metonymy for home

[tender anvil]

@past salmon man, Medea skulls is way too high iq for me, I was stressed just watching your video

[dusty sapphire]

I'm getting better at them but I still take a lotta damage with them

[steady nymph]

so many I framess from skull special. wild how much damage he didn't take on that run

[past salmon]

its simple just play dumber and do more damage 👍

[tender anvil]

Engraved Pin + Coarse Grit for the win, that takes WABS/Triple Earth to another level

Just need a weapon that can do without antler

[past salmon]

Did the interaction only happen the one time + chronos fight? I cant remember

[tender anvil]

Think I saw it twice in tartarus + chronos, but wasn’t really counting

[sturdy fossil]

Good new aspect of momus build?

[tender anvil]

Most of my 45+ runs have been antler runs, think the only one I managed without was Pan

[robust prism]

just upgrade all the omega moves, I don't think there's really anything very specific

[past salmon]

Antler is deffo necessary on some weapons

[grizzled timber]

just spam and remember that momus also works with omega cast now

[wild pine]

Lots of options seem to be good (at least, enough for me to clear 32 heat in good time and feel very safe). Hammers definitely shape your boon preferences a lot.

The Omega Special is generally your most cost-efficient, spammable, AoE friendly damage. You can lean into it as your bread and butter kill move with Apollo Special, take Aphro Special and circle-strafe if you're a madlad, or use it to apply AoE Blitz or Freeze and then snipe with the omega attack or cast.

[bleak night]

Ikr

[robust prism]

apollo cast + hera attack + demeter special might be the best

but yeah there's lots of combinations really

[bleak night]

Momus is kinda unfortunate because it'd be so cool with so many Casts, but it only echoes the basic Omega Cast burst

[tender anvil]

I’m now torn between attempting a 50 and having a relaxing evening. Damn you @past salmon for being an inspiration, lol

[slate pecan]

have a relaxing evening at 50f

which aspect are you considering?

[tender anvil]

Momus was obliterated, no can do

[robust prism]

it does still replicate the apollo stuff though right? or am I tripping

[tender anvil]

Mainly Mel Skulls or Mel Torches. Those seem like the most realistic for me

[bleak night]

Don't think so

[slate pecan]

fair. good luck with whichever you choose!

[robust prism]

really??

[wild pine]

Personally I would take Demeter, Aphro, Hestia, or Zeus cast before Apollo Cast on Momus but Momus is so flexible that even what I'd call the 5th-best cast is still pretty good

[bleak night]

Can you give it a try actually? I'm unsure if Solar Ring gets echoed properly

[tender anvil]

Not having a bite at Pan/Blades, 45 was enough for me

[wild pine]

It does not.

[robust prism]

I would but for some reason today the game has suddenly become incredibly laggy for me to the point of being unplayable

[past salmon]

Yeah I think I chucked it in the description but I think Mel skulls is easier than Medea assuming you get static shock
2 top tier hammers instead of 1 and Oceanus/Fields is much nicer to you
the problem is erebus

[robust prism]

no idea what it is

[wild pine]

It does the big sky laser once and the circle-pop 3 times

[robust prism]

damn I really thought it would since it works with Charon too

[tender anvil]

Thinking antler start and pray for Triple Earth

And zeus, of course

[past salmon]

definitely a strat
I just played way too unsafe to consider antler on anything myself
Plus I didnt really like erebus being 100% RNG I quite liked having my god keepsake

[tender anvil]

Showerthought - wish Demeter was actually called Hestia, or started with H otherwise. Then we could have called Triple Earth just Triple H

[proven orbit]

Hemeter

Or we could have had Dephaestus so that the combo would be called HDD

[sand crow]

k does hera's infusion (the rarity boost) proc Vow of Arrogance?

[dusty sapphire]

what's people's new momus builds by the way?

[sand crow]

yay

[dusty sapphire]

neither does aromatic phial or rare crop

only the rarity at the time of your choice of boons matters for vow of arrogance

[wild pine]

Nothing that modifies the rarity of a boon you already have changes the amount of magic primed. Even deleting a boon doesn't refund the magic.

[tender anvil]

I’m kinda used to tactically impaling myself on brambles in Fields by now, to keep Antler online. Next level is Oceanus steam, but I’m usually barely hanging to dear life at that point, and antler is online anyway

[wild pine]

There is some kind of bug where applying a pomegranate to a boon sometimes refunds the primed magic, but rarity-changes never do.

[analog osprey]

apollo legendary then uhh i dunno

[slate pecan]

i mean is there a point to coarse grit when doing antler? 30:15 is 2 hits anyway

[analog osprey]

probably a nice safety net

[tender anvil]

Trusty shield to 20 armor saves two hits. Also, if you snag the Heavy Metal (?) boon late, you can have a lot of armor

[past salmon]

probs not as important but triple earth probably still just best
Dem/Heph are too much value even outside it to overlook ands Mel skulls really likes hera attack
you might be able to forgo going for one over Zeus tho

Im pretty sure my 48F Mel Skulls clear didnt have grit but triple earth still went crazy so

[tender anvil]

To further that point, if you’re running centaur/titan, it gives more leeway on Chronos, after losing one DD. And I usually need that

But for 50 i’m thinking of taking neither, and just loading up on damage

[strange python]

axe + nova strike makes me orgasm @_@

[wild pine]

You can also try for the no-touchy exodia: Winter Coat, Nitro Boost, Lovers, Wolf Howl, Trusty Shield, Greater Evasion, Dodge Dodge Dodge, Messenger.

[rare brook]

BTW - darkness can only be aquired in chaos arenas? I need them for 30 psyche

[slate pecan]

i mean i run hera pos heph anyway, trusty shield can determine a run, and demeter i try to grab as an addition when i can, but i still usually don't end up having coarse grit 💀

[spare kite]

Yeah

Best you can do is buy as many spark of ixions as possible

[sand crow]

y'know that phrasing makes me really uncomfy but I agree

[past salmon]

Yeah that was my first run where I got grit and it wasnt till end of fields so

[sand crow]

I'd just take chaos rooms every single time tbh

[slate pecan]

it's just that demeter isn't really preferred at any point for me except for coarse grit

[tender anvil]

Shame the Hermes defense boons are not Earth based, would have been a top pick otherwise. I actually prefer the Hard Target one, feel like it saves me more than direct defenses

[wild pine]

Yeah there's really nothing you can do but re-roll wells looking for chaos gates

[past salmon]

thats fair
Medea benefits so much from freeze
Mainly in the not dying department

[slate pecan]

sure, arctic ring helps, but it's a water type so it makes it a bit harder to get that 6 earth

and also if i have to choose between demeter for arctic ring or hera/poseidon/heph i wont go demeter

though i'll be more on the lookout for her hoping for coarse grit in the future

[wild pine]

Yeah I actually do prefer Hard Target over Greater Evasion. Nitro Boost vs. Hard Target is a tough call for me. Depends on rarity, my weapon, whether I already have +move speed, whether I already have cyclones (to slow projectiles), whether I have Medea's "I can't believe it's not Hard Target!", etc.

[past salmon]

Demeter is mainly here for both her casts + Winter cloak
I think Sprint is actually a big shout for weapons that struggle with Rebuke and dont want to RNG into Zeus Static shock

[wild pine]

Demeter Sprint is awesome, yeah. Clears blue hearts like crazy, enables perma-origination for melee builds, a rare or epic one may even kill eyeballs and other trash, and the missile-defense is real. Kind of amazing that something that useful barely makes a Demeter's top 5 list.

[tall notch]

I like the thumbnail! Can't watch though, I'm not on WiFi

[tired fulcrum]

Dem cast is so good

[spare kite]

Sending this in the hades 1 channels to look insane

[ionic moon]

how many 32F builds would still be viable without dem cast?

[tender anvil]

Damn, posessed array and antler is truly dumb level of damage

I popped Erebus elite in like 2 seconds

[past salmon]

Probs all of them

[past salmon]

I had some of these when I got like super early orig or smth lol it feels so nice

[slate pecan]

ffs Hera my last 2 rerolls and you don't gimme born gain 😢

core build would've been complete

[past salmon]

rip man
Its only a matter of time though you so got this

[violet temple]

apparently zeus + heph duo burns up the lovers damage nullify 🗿

[sand crow]

okay

how do i cope with this
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238169907238277271/1248733227120590899/image.png?ex=6664bcf1&is=66636b71&hm=1f17df9daad73dfbe5a1e5acbc5a17b02ba9c409e5a774ce4a2205d6905efdf1&

[silent crow]

LMFAO

[sand crow]

the worst part is that there was another boon available to take

But I rerolled because I didn't have my special filled out

and for some reason it got yoinked into the void

[tough pasture]

i'm gonna say something kinda mean and probably controversial but...

I think SgG is out of ideas on these aspects. Some of these aspects are terrible .

Like...what even is the point of persephone aspect.

/I'll hang up and listen.

[silent crow]

i too have no idea what persephone aspect does but i watched a video and it seemed cool

[sand crow]

Persephone is honestly really fun

you go nyoom!!!

[silent crow]

the real main problem is that there is sooo much grinding to actually use the aspects

[tough pasture]

I'm watching Haelian's stream on persephone aspect and I don't understand why I would play that aspect over melinoe aspect.

And I tried to give persephone a chance before and after the patch.

/I'm watching Haelian's stream because I'm trying to see what I'm missing...and I don't think I'm missing anything.

[sand crow]

OH MY GOSH I FIXED IT

[strange python]

no cope only seethe

[sand crow]

I just clicked the reroll button again and it came back

[past salmon]

Persephone is goated wdym

[silent crow]

he posted a video on it destroying everything yesterday lol

[past salmon]

not to mention it plays completely different to mel skulls?

[tough pasture]

please explain the gameplay loop to me and which boons are preferred.

Talk to me like I'm 10.

[past salmon]

Get a good cast, preferably Zeus or Poseidon
SPam cast get glory
Wipe rooms with Omega special
Safest aspect in the game with good damage aswell

[tough pasture]

I mean...destroying isn't exactly my primary goal.

Like...momus was destroying 40 fear as well but that was just rapidly pressing 1 button. That's not a fun gameplay loop.

[tender anvil]

How far did you get with Meli skulls at 50? Just got to the last phase of Hecate before timing out, seems somewhat doable

[past salmon]

I got a run to room 3 of fields I think?

[sand crow]

yeah, it's a special focused aspect. The best boons to take are Apollo, Zeus or Poseidon on cast and I think either Hera or Aphro on special

[slate pecan]

thanks... maybe i'm too old for this though

[tough pasture]

but couldn't i do the zeus/poseidon cast on other aspects? Why specifically that one?

[sand crow]

basically those are casts that do a lot of instances of damage quickly which then charges up Glory. Then you can use the Omega special and it lasts for a very long time

[past salmon]

well you get A big damage boost to omega casts first of all
Second of all Glory is quite a strong mechanic and covers the main weakness of Zeus cast builds which is room clear

[sand crow]

and you can steer it around and you're Impervious which means you can't get hit

[tough pasture]

ok, cast builds are the ones I've avoided most (outside of charon aspect on axe) so I'll try to give this a chance.

[tough pasture]

you mean the omega special right?

[sand crow]

yeah :D

so basically what you want to do is omega cast then omega special

I personally highly recommend either Zeus or Apollo on the special, I'm not fond of Poseidon cast lol

[tough pasture]

got it.

what about demeter cast? (i use that a lot for origination on other aspects)

[sand crow]

Demeter cast might actually work pretty well if you put Hera on special

It doesn't tick as frequently as the other casts do though

[tough pasture]

alright, since we're on the topic of hera...can someone explain her curse to me.

I'm not convinced I truly understand how it works.

[spare kite]

enemies affected by it takes a % of dmg dealt to any other enemy

[tough pasture]

but I can't tell when enemies are affected. is there a visual cue that tells me which enemies are affected?

[sand crow]

Basically on hit, it applies the Hitch curse to an enemy. if a lot of enemies have Hitch then one of them gets hit, then ALL of those enemies will take a part of that damage

[spare kite]

if you played rama in H1 is similar
main difference is that it works with any source of dmg/doesn't work with just one enemy affected

[violet temple]

it's the green symbol

[sand crow]

yeah it's the green symbol above their heads

[tough pasture]

Yeah, rama was one of my top 3 favorite aspects.

[spare kite]

also yeah they have a green icon above them

[tough pasture]

alright, i'll try to keep an eye out for it.

sometimes there's so much happening on screen that I don't notice the little icons.

[split igloo]

Does anyone have a good fear setup for eos ? It took me 3 runs to realize that having max enemy speed was making it quite hard to hit the daybreaker

[silent crow]

if enemies are taking damage from.hitch green lines will appear between them

[spare kite]

https://youtu.be/6RC6rLhDQ6Q?t=389 can look at this to see what green symbol we mean

[silent crow]

epic thumbnail

[tough pasture]

Oh. THAT one. Ok, ok. Yeah, I've seen that pop up a few times and I was like "gee...I wonder what that is."

Thanks for sharing @spare kite.

[carmine palm]

Anyone managed to get all 25 arcana active at once? Most I've gotten is 24 but that really makes me think 25 has to be possible

[tough pasture]

But hitch doesn't seem as powerful as rama's shared suffering. iirc, shared suffering was 60%.

for hitch to scale up, you need the revenge skill no?

[spare kite]

the main difference is that hitch works with any dmg

so even if it's less % it still trashes mobs cuz they take dmg from pretty much anything

[silent crow]

theres a tier two boon called Hereditary Bane that scales it

[tough pasture]

yeah, i remember attack being essential for rama aspect.

[silent crow]

it also works on all dmg + mob density is higher in this game

[spare kite]

and hera has the 2nd highest % for her boons (aphro being the highest)

[tough pasture]

yeah, that's the one i was thinking of...still haven't learned all the names of h2 skills.

[spare kite]

she also has another boon that hits all hitch'd enemies when one dies

[tough pasture]

i've noticed that only a few olympians give percentage increases.
iirc, it was a bit more balanced (split) in h1.

in h2, most offer flat damage increases.

that's why i think we'll see new olympians added.

it could be that we see athena or ares as more parts of the game are added...

meaning we don't get them until we're in that territory.

[spare kite]

I think is the same 4/4 split actually no?

[ionic moon]

it's half and half (percent vs flat)

[carmine palm]

Is there a way to get all 25 arcana active?

[spare kite]

oh wait no H1 is 5/3 I believe

[tough pasture]

is it?

i thought it was 5/3 split in favor of flat damage.

[ionic moon]

in fact, the flat gods are really struggling mechanically which is why poseidon was so dominant

[gentle oar]

Yeah I’d think ares and Athena wil be added later on, so here’s hoping that they have some cool effects!

[ionic moon]

hera, apollo, aphro, dem = percent
zeus, poseidon, hestia, heph = flat (supposedly)

[spare kite]

use crystal figurine to activate judgement along your usual cards works I believe

[dusty sapphire]

heph is techically flat but I dunno if he counts since he doesn't want to be on fast attacking weapons

[carmine palm]

Crystal Figurine + Judgement = 24

[spare kite]

ah, prob need the nightbloom bug then

which yeah, will most surely get fixed

[carmine palm]

You can have 6 cards active from activating 3 cards (most I've been able to find) + 15 from Judgement by time of reaching Chronos + 3 from Crystal Figurine = 24

It really bothers me that there's 25 cards and only 24 can be active at most, feels like I'm missing something

If only Messenger activated when you had three* 0 cost activated

[craggy ore]

doesnt crystal figurine only activate once?

[tough pasture]

@past salmon
What was you reasoning for taking frinos over toula on your 50fear medea run?

[carmine palm]

Yes

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1248740027471630427/image.png?ex=6664c347&is=666371c7&hm=d5584a1bd5cc365c6c9521b8bf00966d9b3a3d03343d031af451d9d0658bc565& this should work no? 16 cards, gain judgement on hecate through figurine and you'll get +10 cards by defeating cerb

[carmine palm]

Can you force Judgement w/ Figurine? I never thought of that :O

[spare kite]

yeah

have fun resetting for it but it works

[stoic ridge]

just did a surface white antler run and eris died faster than I ever killed her before

[carmine palm]

I was just doing the bottom left 3 to get all 4 of those + Judgement + Queen

[craggy ore]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/839733316089413632/1248740704675692554/Screenshot_907.png?ex=6664c3e8&is=66637268&hm=93ddd3f46435944351c0e22860659a55c4d98dc102c675ba96fa42e9d8ab1faf&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=825&height=463

[spare kite]

Lmao

[past salmon]

I actually think toula is maybe better although it gets complicated with coarse grit.
The main reason is that I lost like 3 really good pace runs with toula because I suck and get sheeped half the time so lmao

[tough pasture]

And since I've got you here...

What are the spiky red things that appear right here on your run.

https://youtu.be/6RC6rLhDQ6Q?t=1284

[past salmon]

I can't check the vid rn but it's maybe dying wish from Hera?

[hot sigil]

Usually I’m okay with Nemesis and don’t quite get the hate, but she ruined my possibility of getting a fourth hammer today so I suddenly get it

[tough pasture]

oh, is that what that it is...

Interesting. I wasn't expecting a hera skill to have that color.

[spare kite]

Yeah is def dying wish
And yeah is certainly a visual effect

On crowded rooms it def feels like a bit too much

[tough pasture]

I think I might tell SgG to change that visual effect. It's too large and too distracting...and not all that visually/aesthetically pleasing.

[past salmon]

I kinda like it tbh
It makes it feel powerful when it goes off so much
But yeah realistically a bit too much visual clutter

[craggy ore]

thinking about it. doesnt Circe herself also activate 1 random arcana? Its in the surface tho, so maybe in the full release we can get 25 cards

[carmine palm]

OMG YOU'RE RIGHT

[spare kite]

and then by full release we have like 30+ cards

[livid tartan]

Damn, I love reworked Persephone

[urban ember]

which vows did you take?

@past salmon

[tough pasture]

it was dying wish by hera. I asked foolish.

so about the 4 olympian pool...we can't get a 5th olympian even if we use a keepsake. right?

[urban ember]

thats not what i asked, but good to know

[tough pasture]

oh my bad. you were asking about vows, not skill taken. my bad.

[spare kite]

You can, worked the same in H1

You can also do 3 gods, buy 4th god in midshop (through mystery boon) then have the door offer a 5th god

[hollow stag]

I got Bones thirst on my axe.

Which axe should I go for and which books should I aim for?

[tough pasture]

having a 4 olympian pool in h1 was news to me...i somehow played through that game without ever realizing it.

[tough pasture]

ok, interesting, good to know.

[spare kite]

Yeah h2 was the odd one for the reduced pool (which we got back lol)

Tbh 3 god pool was comfy

[livid tartan]

I wouldn't mind 3 again tbh

[tough pasture]

yeah, more chances for duos right>?

[spare kite]

Kinda, yeah
But 4 gods means I can slap hera's born gain into anything lmao

[hollow stag]

4 means you can fit Hera Born Gain boon if it didn’t fit before

[spare kite]

🤝

[uneven palm]

Really wish Moon worked with Geyser Ring. That’d be fun.

[hollow stag]

If you get really lucky on Charon axe,

What’s a good boon order for fast clears?

1. Hera Born Gain
2. Apollo Special
3. Apollo Cast
4. Zeus Attack

[grizzled timber]

i rly dont like apollo cast on charon, agree on 1 and 2 but after that i'd rather have zeus lance and demeter cast + gale

[hollow stag]

Why not Apollo cast, the cast lasts too long without renewing?

[grizzled timber]

yea, being able to recast asap is way more dmg than apollo

[hollow stag]

What other boons would you go with then?

[grizzled timber]

zeus ranged cast and demeter/hestia boon + demeter gale for origination on cast

havent tried zeus cast yet but it also should be good if u get another status source for origination

[past salmon]

All except arcana

[tender anvil]

Ahh Echo, just made it to her at 50 Fear, and she offers neither evade nor DD refill

Still beats Nemesis I guess, but that sucks

[golden isle]

what build are you running on 50 fear? I wouldnt be able to get out of erebus with that much fear

[tender anvil]

Everyone’s doing Triple Earth (Hera/Heph/Demeter), skipping no Arcana vow. Weapons vary, I’m doing Meli Flames

[past salmon]

Holy moly popping off??????

[tender anvil]

Made it to Tartarus

[past salmon]

Ayo??!!!???

GL king you've got this 👑

[tender anvil]

No dd’s though. Looking grim

[past salmon]

Just simply don't get hit imo imo

How is timer looking?

[tender anvil]

Ahah, I’ll tell that to all numbskulls

[tender anvil]

Comfortable, +2 mins at Cerb

Contemplating dropping antler for pin

[past salmon]

Is Ur damage good enough

[tender anvil]

Eh, last time flames kinda struggled on Chronos. So think Antler is still safer. Might lose it to Centaur in a couple floors though

[past salmon]

Damn that's rough
Rip echo rng

[timber pawn]

centaur ends up being such a problem basically always

[tender anvil]

Got 3 hammers though (thanks echo)

[tall notch]

@tender anvil what aspect

[tender anvil]

Melinoe lol

“We’ve got Eos at home”

[past salmon]

Ok glgl tart I can't check in here for like 30 mins so now I'm going to die of curiosity

[magic moss]

im like spectating this convo and realizing how washed i am

its gonna be a long learning curve back to getting comfortable at 32 again after not caring whether or not i get hit in a run for like 2 weeks straight

[timber pawn]

man you were playing wild at the end of Chronos p2 on your 50 run

[tender anvil]

Nope, died 1 room before Chronos. Ah, well, it’s 100% doable, so I better grab it while @tall notch is still on vacay

[magic moss]

i forgot how much damage erebus can do since i played no fear god mode enabled runs for 2 weeks farming nightmares and keepsakes so dmg didnt exceed like 20

then i play 32 god mode disabled and get hit for my entire health bar and lose a dd

long road ahead of me bois

[strange kite]

turn off hard labour at 32

[tender anvil]

Might take a bit, but you’ll get there!

[strange kite]

its hard to learn while u get one shot

[magic moss]

XDD true

[strange kite]

suffering 2 is fine but u should go for heph if u take it

definitely dont combine suffering with hard labour

[magic moss]

its moreso suffering cuz i only get hit like once or twice per room but since suffering is that first hit its rough

but just about done completely finishing everything i need to do, ie all keepsakes 3* all aspects maxed, etc and so i can get back to getting better at the game

i actually still need to get everything for medea to complete the prophecy but im gonna finish that once surface is finished cuz im prob gonna hard grind surface regardless

so waiting on that

[low bear]

suffering has forced me to git quite good with Biome 1, it's pretty fun

[strange python]

i keep getting stuck on eris; her damage boost phases are making me c r i

[digital hazel]

is the hestia/poseidon duo good or is steam kind of bad like scorch?

[low bear]

Arachne is also there to bail me out at times until Hephy shows up in Erebus or I force him in Oceanus

[low bear]

it's okay, but it can possibly deactivate origination because it takes away slip

[past salmon]

Wild as in horribly? Yeah tempus always made me start playing worse lol

[low bear]

personally I much prefer having Freeze on cast than Burn

[sturdy trail]

The general advice is try to use the pillars on either end of the map to Line of sight her shots.

Be careful though, one of her charged shots can destroy the pillar, but nothing else can.

[low bear]

just stay behind her

[wild swan]

For me Freeze is the best curse in the game so it's hard to compare it to anything

[strange python]

i keep getting smacked by her dashes

[wild swan]

I do like Hestia cast as a secondary Origination trigger a lot, tho

[low bear]

pretty much it's amazing

[strange python]

easier said than done

[low bear]

especially on cast

[sturdy trail]

wait behind the pillar, she will dash into it, then you can come up behind her and hit her while she recovers

[low bear]

just takes a bit of practice but it's honestly the safest way I've found

[tender anvil]

Ok, guys, what soft are you using to record gameplay? Think it’s about time I began doing it

[low bear]

running away is a mistake, you shouldn't try to run away from a bullet

[strange python]

but i'm faster than the gun uwu

[low bear]

either that or cheese her with Soot sprint

[timber pawn]

I just use built in nvidia stuff but it takes a huge amount of storage. a lot of folks do twitch just for the VOD capabilities, and then if you get anoteworthy run you can edit it out of a long vod

[tender anvil]

Cheers, will try that

Dammit Echo, still angry, that run was winnable

[slate pecan]

OBS

[limpid coral]

Is anyone else having difficulty using the cast sometimes? I am pressing and holding the button and nothing is happening even though the previous cast expired

[timber pawn]

does obs record at a more reasonable filesize by chance

[limpid coral]

OBS can record at small sizes yeah

[rich bolt]

Oh my god

U can go above 30 grasps? I thought 30 was max

[past salmon]

I use OBS aswell.
It's fairly customisable

[past salmon]

Fairly certain you can't lol?

[rich bolt]

This pic has 130

[past salmon]

Not a legit save probs lol

[rich bolt]

Oh i seee nvm then

But yeah i do hope they let us do loadouts then

[tender anvil]

Got it working, cheers!

[keen cosmos]

looking at the new axe special, effects adding to special seem pretty awful now?

I used to like adding Scorch or similar stuff to the special to stack quickly but that seems gone

[oblique ruin]

okay is it possible to escalating ambush enough stacks to 1 shot bosses? lol

[stray knot]

is hestia the highest dps attack boon for the daggers?

i just finished 32 heat surface in 7 minutes with it. i've never seen something do that much damage before.

[silent crow]

no

[stray knot]

what's higher?

[silent crow]

basically everythjng else

[stray knot]

are you sure about that? lol

[tired fulcrum]

Unless you got like a heroic fire extinguisher poseidon is more dps

[silent crow]

scorch is always 40dps unless you get the legendary or fire extinguisher

[tired fulcrum]

Hestia attack starts like 5 higher than poseidon but they pom practically the same

[stray knot]

i had blue fire extinguisher

[tulip barn]

Scorch deals a flat DPS dot. It can't be sped up except with Fire Extinguisher or the legendary

[stray knot]

this felt like double the damage i get out of heroic poseidon

[tulip barn]

on what button?

[stray knot]

this was epic hestia attack and rare fire extinguisher

[tired fulcrum]

Prob cuz you had origination active

[stray knot]

always do

[tulip barn]

Okay, if you have fire extinguisher, that may be true, but it's a bit hard to imagine because you get so many hits with poseidon

[tired fulcrum]

Isnt blue fire extinguisher like base 60% or something

[tulip barn]

It does help that the attack itself will apply a curse without a tier 2

Yeah, I think epic is 75

[stray knot]

i've been really struggling to get out of ephyra on the 5 minute timer forcing poseidon, but making sure i get origination up before polyphemos

[rigid marten]

Hello everyone !!! I need to get that hermes's legendary boon, how to get it?

[stray knot]

this time i finished with 2 full minutes left

[tulip barn]

Almost any hermes boon is a prerequisite, so you just have to take him multiple times and get lucky

[silent crow]

1% chance

[stray knot]

i don't know. the numbers don't seem to add up.

[tired fulcrum]

Did you get medea or heracles

[rigid marten]

@silent crow reallyyyy???????

[silent crow]

thats what it was in the last game and i dont think its changed

[tulip barn]

I've never seen it and I'm on night 150

[stray knot]

medea, but still

[silent crow]

good luck 😼

[rigid marten]

@silent crow I got it at like 3 tries last game, how lol

[stray knot]

are you 100% sure there is no stacking of the scorch dot? I feel like it must be.

[tulip barn]

RNG be random

[silent crow]

if you turned on gods legacy it was 11%

[sour cape]

It stacks but doesn't do any more damage

[silent crow]

it stacks duration

[rigid marten]

@silent crow even with that i was farming like 8 hours still no

[sour cape]

well beyond global dmg buffs ofc

[rigid marten]

@silent crow so it is gone for good then ?

[sour cape]

but doesnt do any damage based on how many stacks there are

[tired fulcrum]

The only things that increase scorch dot are global dmg%, crit, and air quality, and hestia legendary

[silent crow]

what is?

[rigid marten]

@silent crow acquiring the boon

[silent crow]

you js need luck

[tulip barn]

The way scorch works is that the scorch damage number applies on the enemy itself and goes up as you keep hitting the enemy with scorch damage. The scorch number applied ticks down at the rate of 40 damage per second

[stray knot]

hmm. i don't understand then. this damage was insane. no hammer either.

[rigid marten]

@silent crow any tips besides than oaths?

[tulip barn]

The legendary doubles the rate it ticks down

[silent crow]

go for chaos boon rarity i gues

[tulip barn]

Fire extinguisher seems plausible - I've just never seen it pop off in a build. But a decent scorch number on dagger attack would stack up fast with how quickly you hit enemies. So it may just proc the extinguisher well

[tired fulcrum]

I mean the problem is that fire extinguisher reduces your damage to below poseidons

[tulip barn]

it doesn't reduce the damage, per se. If you're consistenly proccing it, you're doing damage much faster than scorch would

but I do agree that it's weird to think the flat damage added to the attack speed of daggers is worse

[stray knot]

i garauntee the damage with just those two boons is at least 50% higher than poseidon with attack and slip

i did like 15 runs forcing poseidon attack -> slip

[tulip barn]

Were you changing arcana setup at all?

[stray knot]

and then this one with sorch -> extinguisher

no, it's a max damage arcana set up, no changes

[tired fulcrum]

I mean numbers wise it just doesnt add up

[tulip barn]

Yeah, that sounds strange. I mean, I'm not saying it didn't happen, it just sounds unexpected

[stray knot]

only change was i switched off the poseidon trinket to take narcisus, hoping to get a white attack boon and heroic it in the ephyra square. that's why i ended up getting hestia instead

[tulip barn]

Okay, so heroic hestia attack... how much scorch is that?

[silent crow]

i guess youre getting the 40dps scorch dot for a bit before fire extinguisher procs??

[tulip barn]

yeah, it's just still not a ton

[tired fulcrum]

Well that still doesnt increase the damage per hit

[stray knot]

i feel like it has to be stacking damage somehow. maybe a bug?

[silent crow]

its probably just placebo from how fun fire extinguisher is

[tulip barn]

Also, curious question, does Fire Extinguisher work like Blitz where you need a third curse to get origination?

[tired fulcrum]

Well ig it reduces the amount of damage that fire extinguisher reduces

[tulip barn]

Not that anyone here knows, just an interesting question

[stray knot]

i'm going off the timer. i finished 40% faster than my previous ~10 runs

[tired fulcrum]

Good question lemme test that

[tulip barn]

Fire extinguisher is reducing the explosion damage, not the dot

[silent crow]

u could have just been playing better

[stray knot]

maybe the daggers queue up a ton of duration on scorch, and fire exinguisher clears all of that as a burst?

[tulip barn]

So it takes the 300 threshold and detonates it for damage equal to a percentage of the 300

[stray knot]

i mean, maybe...was a giant jump from all previous runs

[silent crow]

i feel like room and enemy luck is a bigger factor on timers than ur actual build

[stray knot]

i've been finishing with 0 to 30 seconds on all prior attempts

[spare kite]

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[tired fulcrum]

Nah it works unlike blitz