h2-builds-and-combat

[past salmon]

and if you overcome skill issue hecate isnt a problem
Unfortunately I am plagued with the issue of skill

[civic ocean]

It just saves time to frog it no

[past salmon]

see this is true
Unfortunately I run medea
So If I get forced into sea serpent the run is just dead 💀

[slate pecan]

i was bringing Frinos up until like 42 fear

[mystic bison]

The problem is her attacks overlap mainly

If it was just you and the polymorph, dodging is no problem

[past salmon]

I brought frinos for Medea 40 but switched to toula for 45 iirc

[mystic bison]

And some attacks Hecate does it's just not worth trying to dodge the polymorph

[tender anvil]

Good luck on 50 Pan, you can do it! That 46 run was ace!

[civic ocean]

I guess at 40+ everything does just beat you up eh

[past salmon]

Suffering + whatever the base damage vow is kinda just nukes ur health no matter what yeh

[slate pecan]

yeah like, a lurker will hit you for 112 so not even TItan + Frinos + max hp will save that defiance

[timber pawn]

Wew

[slate pecan]

then consecutive defiances increase of hp thanks to Frinos (because non-Toula defiances restore % of max hp, right?) will probably not matter anyway as most things hit for like 70-80 dmg first hit in encounter

[civic ocean]

Another reason I like rotating 32 is it feels like you can play way more stuff

[timber pawn]

If they nerf trusty shield before reworking suffering that is going to be a time for high fear pushing

[slate pecan]

why would they nerf trusty? i think it's in a good spot

[civic ocean]

Armor spillover might be smth they look at

[past salmon]

lowkey im actually 50/50 on whether I want trusty shield or mint condition when both are offered
Mint is super good

[slate pecan]

i mean, a little overpowered if you don't use mana, but other than that it's a fair trade 30 primed and a boon for stubborn defiance

[steel sequoia]

the only thing i see they nerfing is momus. they should buff scorch instead of nerfing stuff

[tender anvil]

I like mynt a bit more than trusty atm, purely as it also benefits the timer

[civic ocean]

Yes please buff scorch

I want to see if I can do 30 in a row

[past salmon]

pretty much this yeah
Mint makes timer easier

[civic ocean]

I feel like if scorch gets buffed Air Fryer will actually never lose below like 40

[tender anvil]

And also it makes elite rooms completely free

[slate pecan]

doesn't poseidon give more on hit damage than hestia? while being aoe and instantly delivered instead of over time?

[past salmon]

yep lol

[civic ocean]

More on special less on atk

[past salmon]

Scorch sucks so much 😭

[slate pecan]

i see, thank you

[civic ocean]

Scorch is the core boss solve for my most consistent 32 clear strat atm so like...idk

[slate pecan]

i loved the idea of scorch when i was first playing h2 without reading anything about builds lol. i liked sister blades with scorch attack and fire extinguisher was the name of that boon i think

[past salmon]

I was the exact same
Scorch sounded super fun and was cool
Unfortunately it just kinda sucks

[slate pecan]

i think it can be good in some combinations, idk haven't touched it much since i discovered poseidon :p

[tender anvil]

I tried Hera/Hestia duo Eos with scorch attack, and it just wasn’t great( Made a 32 run, but very very barely

[past salmon]

should just abused the bug for it lol
I love giga scorch stacking

[civic ocean]

It's so so good with AQ

[tender anvil]

Should really try it, with so many people gushing about it

[civic ocean]

It's not so many people its just me a lot of times

[past salmon]

air fryer goes hard yeah

[civic ocean]

I think part of it though is that Zeus is low key busted

[past salmon]

Ive been preaching Zeus since day 1

[midnight gate]

Zeus has the worst magic regen by far

[mystic bison]

I got AQ with scorch on the attack on Persephone earlier

[midnight gate]

Eveeything else is really good though

[past salmon]

yeh his magick regen is poop

[civic ocean]

Storm Ring + Lightning Lance is just gyatt damn man

[mystic bison]

Only sucks that u cant move while channeling w lightning lance

[civic ocean]

Yeah I had to internalize dash to channel

But the range is honestly pretty generous

[mystic bison]

Persephone one of my favorite weapons rn ngl

[silent crow]

any good moros builds

[past salmon]

I don't get how people like Persephone honestly
It's a stat stick with a once a biome big attack

[silent crow]

ive got it halfway upgraded i can do this 😼

[mystic bison]

It's a cast playstyle with a tactical nuke omega special, that's the playstyle

I enjoy it a lot

[past salmon]

Yeah exactly
It's a stat stick

[mystic bison]

I disagree because Glory is reliably made use of in that playstyle

[past salmon]

You are only running it because it makes your cast better let's be real okay 😭

[mystic bison]

Momus is a stat stick

[midnight gate]

Momus is also a stat stick

[silent crow]

momus is a stat stick indeed

[past salmon]

Truth
Momus can die in hell

[civic ocean]

Nah the special hits so good against chronos

Esp if you get aq thermal and blitz on the special it actually deals like 8k damage lmao

[silent crow]

how much dmg do moros explosions even do

[mystic bison]

I haven't played Moros even once it's the last weapon I'll maxx

[tall notch]

Air fryer is one of my favourite meme builds

[spare kite]

I still haven't unlocked moros or circe

[civic ocean]

Take that back

[tall notch]

No

[civic ocean]

I guess this is a win win

[silent crow]

omg why is this so good with no boons

[mystic bison]

I have everything unlocked but Moros, Circe, Medea and Artemis still not maxxed

[civic ocean]

Either people admit air fryer is goated

Or people still think it's a meme and I'm just sicknasty with it

[silent crow]

are moros explosions not affected byatk boons?????

[tall notch]

I sincerely don't know how you manage to assemble it before fields consistently 😭
It's powerful but the difficulty of assembling it keeps air fryer in meme build tier to me

[civic ocean]

if it arrives by fields it is okay, Storm Ring + Huntress attack + the odd omega special covers you till then, bonus if they have flame strike and heavenly flourish on them

[bleak night]

You know how my setup is L-Joycon and a Gaming mouse with buttons on the thumb? I'm going to start trying out R-Joycon with WASD

See if it's viable in any way

[tall notch]

Uhhh it's not April Fools

[bleak night]

I'm not joking

[tall notch]

But why

I see an argument for joycon and mouse. Best of both worlds. Why do the opposite?

[bleak night]

so I don't need to pull out the ProController when the L-Joycon runs out of battery

[civic ocean]

As long as you don't start playing like Tetris players we gucci

[tall notch]

Have you tried it in 40 fear? Maybe it's skill issue, but while I managed Zeus Cast 32 fears Erebus felt way too slow at 40 to be reasonably doable

[steep briar]

What is the ideal Persephone cast build?

[civic ocean]

I don't really have any interest in going that high atm (I'm trying to do 40 32F Chronos and 40 32F Eris in June) but I think 40 will definitely be much harder, in the way that most 40s are harder - I will need luck to win I think

I could potentially just get sicknasty with it for revenants and shields but I think I go over 7 minutes then

I wish Vow of Abandon was like 1-5 fear and every 1 you pressed took away 5 or 6 grasp

[tall notch]

Then it'd be reasonable to take at normal fear levels

[brazen mauve]

Why are 32 and 40 the fears ran?

[tall notch]

A 20-25 grasp setup with just the crucial stuff could work

[bleak night]

32 for the statue, 40 because it just seems like a pretty good benchmark for hard, but not excruciating since you still have options

[brazen mauve]

What statue?

[tall notch]

40 is a nice number too

[bleak night]

the ones under the cloth in the training grounds

[brazen mauve]

I guess I haven't looked there before.

[silent crow]

how do you build moros 😭

[civic ocean]

People run 32 because it's the highest difficulty level that the game acknowledges it expects you to do and gives a tangible reward for.

I don't think people run 40 specifically, more that people push higher and higher fear

[silent crow]

istg the explosions arent affected by boons

[civic ocean]

A lot of people in Hades/Hades 2 seem to value high jumping, that I can see - like it is impressive to clear as high a number as you can

[calm arch]

I don't actually find vow of arrogance fun to play with

[spare kite]

is also common from H1 too lol
32>40>45>50

[crisp moth]

Was reading past messages and what the heck is air fryer

[steel sequoia]

32 is my cap for momus tbh, i prolly so bad with other weaps

[calm arch]

It's just annoying imo

[calm arch]

air quality scorch

[sour cape]

Its annoying but not too cumbersome compared to other fears

[civic ocean]

Zeus' infusion, Air Quality, changes the damage ticks of scorch and essentially makes scorch deal 4.5x DPS

[bleak night]

I think 45 is my limit for now until they introduce EM

[calm arch]

air fryer sounds like it could be a duo boon name considering like beach ball exists

[crisp moth]

Actually

[civic ocean]

Arrogance is not very fun to play with but it's 4 fear, which is a ton

[bleak night]

arrogance is 4 ?

[civic ocean]

IIRC yes?

[calm arch]

same reason i don't take revenants either

[sour cape]

1+3 yea

[calm arch]

makes the game a little harder but mostly it's annoying more than it's a fun challenge

[bleak night]

Ah, yeah

[steel sequoia]

revenants are for psychos or grannys like me

[sour cape]

Revenants just scale so badly

[bleak night]

my most hated ones are Revenants, Blue hearts, Onion and the obvious Arcana one

[calm arch]

revenants are annoying with ranged weapons like okay you respawned and i didn't even see the revenant

[civic ocean]

I think Revenants you could just get sicknasty with it, but I agree with Mynt otherwise

Like a big thing for me with revs when I tried them was I was just so unused to them same way I was like really unused to Tranquil Gain

[sour cape]

Blue Hearts are quite annoying to but at least its not RNG and really just more tankiness

[calm arch]

blue hearts is really sad for some builds like engagement ring

[sour cape]

Yea..m

[sinful radish]

blue hearts and revs both feel very build dependent for me?

[calm arch]

i will probably never take the onion fear

[sour cape]

You can get a cast to pop blue hearts pretty well, but Revs are just very annoying for the whole run

[slate pecan]

revs and desperation are a deadly combination

[sinful radish]

like on medea i find blue hearts miserable and revs easy. and on pan i find blue hearts easy and revs miserable

[sour cape]

That too, doesnt really give enough Fear

[merry flint]

damn, got double moonshot poseidon on mel staff

[sinful radish]

the time penalty on revs is definitely unfortunate though

[calm arch]

i think we should have a higher cap for the fears, let me take 100% revenants and 15 blue hearts (not serious)

[sour cape]

When you got both Revs and Blue hearts

[sinful radish]

it'll still work just fine if you wanna go for the special build lol

[silent crow]

vow of suffering 500%

[sour cape]

Hephaestus mandatory

[sinful radish]

onion 4

[calm arch]

tbh i would take vow of suffering 100,000% and force trusty shield

[sinful radish]

arcana 2 where all of your arcana are activated but their effects are flipped to be negative

[sour cape]

Yea at some point might as well trusty shield and take fewer other bad fears

[bleak night]

Give me Vow of Panic rank 3 and just have it delete all my mana for succeeding runs where I don't run it. Sacrifice future runs for this one

[calm arch]

td4, 3 minutes per biome

[silent crow]

vow of fordaking 5000, you can only pick one boon per god

[calm arch]

lol vow of scars level 6 would be so funny, all healing effects damage you instead

[bleak night]

Onion Vow rank 4: everything is an onion

[silent crow]

mandatory damage in passages

[sour cape]

force to take fountain and die

[civic ocean]

Scars 3 is probably going to be mandatory for me at higher than 32

I wonder if it is just good to take at 32 tbh

[merry flint]

finally some good vegetables for the winter

[silent crow]

i used it on 32

[sour cape]

Its def worth considering for Momus

[merry flint]

we get garlic but no onion what gives

[calm arch]

vow of wandering 4: welcome to oceanus

[sour cape]

But I find 2 fear is still easier to grab elsewhere

[civic ocean]

The trade off is more or less 40% extra enemy damage for no healing

[calm arch]

it's a no brainer for momus imo since the innate heal is unaffected

[merry flint]

Vow of Wandering 4, surface enemies now show up in hell and vice versa

[sour cape]

Innate heal requires mana though so you'll need to get that then

[sinful radish]

that'll also probably get patched

[calm arch]

yeah tranquil gain is good for that because the heal works out of combat too

[sour cape]

You'd prob take an extra rank of Suffering rather than no heal

[civic ocean]

suffering is awful unless you force heph I think

[calm arch]

suffering can be alright if you force yourself to eat traps

[sour cape]

Yea but forcing Heph seems to be the play for easier high fear

[civic ocean]

Yeah I'm speaking more around 32

[sour cape]

Even at 32, if goal is easier run I'd do max suffer and just go Heph

[civic ocean]

I think that's fine if you just want to clear it once

[calm arch]

i find it very sad that the first hit becomes healing duo boon doesn't interact with suffering vow the way you want it to

[sour cape]

It does get boring in variety

[calm arch]

it would be cool if it made you get a huge heal with the vow

[civic ocean]

But the delta between getting trusty shield and not getting trusty shield is really wide

[sour cape]

Yea

You can kinda tank the hit with steam or thorns

But Erebuf kind of a nightmare

[calm arch]

that just makes it literally level -1 wayward son

[bleak night]

can't wait for the 15 Fear Vow that turns every god boon selection screen into the Concave Stone randomizer

[sour cape]

Nothing in Erebus and the Oceanus enemies chunk so hard there

[civic ocean]

But there are a bunch of oceanus rooms where like you gotta find the steam while 4 eurobeat shades and like an entire ecology of fish run your ass down

[bleak night]

I stopped playing revenants when I did Oceanus with +3 enemy spawnrates, and all the revenants came flying out

[sour cape]

When the crabs respawn 💀💀

I had a Rev room with Zeus/Aphro trial and crabs in Oceanus

[bleak night]

Revs are somehow both an issue for melee and ranged weapons alike

If you're ranged, you sometimes don't see where they fly off to. In melee, the revs fly away, towards the area where there are a ton of enemies

[sour cape]

Yea

[bleak night]

It's just awful all around

[sour cape]

or into hazards, like the steam traps or Tempus death explosions

[bleak night]

hope the fear system is overhauled in some way

[sour cape]

Honestly Trials with the Oceanus crabs stalling is a very irritating room 💀

[bleak night]

I just don't like the hermit crabs, in general

I think that when they're holed up like that, they should have an armour lifebar

[sour cape]

Zeus trial also sucks, I hate his smug look

[civic ocean]

they need to delay them going back into their shells by just a .5 second delay

[bleak night]

if it breaks, they can't hide in it anymore

[sour cape]

Yea! That shell shouldnt be invulnerable

[bleak night]

when they come out, it goes back to being red

[civic ocean]

They shell up just a little too fast

[sour cape]

Or you shouldnt be able to knock them out of Cast without like Poseidon

t normal attacks just often knock them out of Zeus cast

[tender anvil]

Funnily enough, revenants are soft countered by Blades with Hook Knives - if the enemy is killed by the flyback, the skull flies towards Mel

[merry flint]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/487676533344043028/1247601743194361856/image.png?ex=66609f2a&is=665f4daa&hm=cd96ab8d027ca016a84e2dd43d8c382ec6643a81c3ec872a8717b1c3efee280c&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=608&height=472

Thank you pencil meta 🙏

[gritty oasis]

thoughts on medea keepsake+aspect of pan build

[mystic bison]

Post the link real quick

I needa bookmark this

[gritty oasis]

2 fear because you can easily snipe the boon upgrades you want

[bleak night]

huh, til

[merry flint]

https://hades2-crossroads.vercel.app/pencil-meta

damn, i've now run out of boons on 2 gods

[civic ocean]

that was talking about Scars 3

[merry flint]

make that 3, if I pick Aphro now I will lose Born Gain

damn, should have taken Flutter Strike sacrifice i'd have gotten Aphro legendary

[civic ocean]

usually by the endgame 40% more omega special damage isn't very impactful tbh

Blackened Fleece is quite good on builds where you're using more than one Omega move so it's hard to get good damage increases on all of them

[tall notch]

40 on every weapon is a little goal of mine once I'm back home

[bleak night]

What else is left ?

[gritty oasis]

what offensive keepsake would you even bring endgame either way, assuming we don't take the tooth or pin

[tall notch]

Everything except staff and Eos lol

[gritty oasis]

i can see a world where hermes keepsake would be good

[bleak night]

Lion Fang/Evil Eye/Blackened Fleece/Metallic Droplet.

I've mostly been going Metallic Droplet nowadays

[ashen sinew]

Any Good Builds with Scorch?

[tall notch]

There is a world where you don't have enough mana regen and take silver wheel toi

[bleak night]

@civic ocean

[tall notch]

@civic ocean

[bleak night]

Literally his specialty

[civic ocean]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/e/2PACX-1vS73iWzIxaOupBwoVUJPjxtmSJEtrlTnLh9GFJzTYblncgPo7Ka1J08JG7r-4k6qEPwOJWH_xfp4al2/pubhtml?pli=1 look up air fryer persephone

[tall notch]

East you really got to put Air Fryer somewhere in your server name

[civic ocean]

But then where would Money Laundering, Snorlax Staff, etc go

[tall notch]

Air Fryer is still the most iconic

[civic ocean]

Fiiine

[tall notch]

❤️

[civic ocean]

there

[tall notch]

Perfect.

[civic ocean]

I still wanna try Roast Beef Moros too

[silent crow]

what is snorlax staff

[tall notch]

What's that

[civic ocean]

Poseidon + Hearty Appetite

[civic ocean]

Slow Cooker + Extra Dose + Huntress Moros

[silent crow]

pfffft

[civic ocean]

the 40+40 challenge is taking all my stream time atm tho

[ashen sinew]

I am kind of confused about Aspect of Persephone, whats the glory thingy

[civic ocean]

Every time you deal 500 damage, your omega special lasts for .5 seconds longer and then all of these Glory "charges" are removed. It goes up to 5000 damage and 5 seconds.

[robust prism]

also all your omega moves deal the consistent extra damage regardless of anything though

[visual marlin]

Ngl, that still sounds confusing to me

[civic ocean]

It is a little confusing, yeah. You can track the glory in the gauge near your health bar.

There are basically two ways to play Persephone:

-forget that glory exists and just spam a 30% stronger omega special, or

-play for Casts in particular and use the 5 second max charge during boss fights

[spare kite]

Deal dmg = charge meter (near defiances in the ui) = have enough charge to extend your omega special and control it

[civic ocean]

I strooooongly suspect Persephone will be changed though there's been a mountain of feedback about how unintuitive it is

[tall notch]

I'd take a guess that none of the non-Mel aspects will be simple stat sticks

As that's not particularly interesting

[ashen sinew]

its not necessary to get hestia Legendary right?

[civic ocean]

If you are playing air fryer, hestia's legendary makes it weaker, so avoid that.

Hestia's legendary is a bit unfortunate in general, sadly

[visual marlin]

So for every 500 (Stacking I assume) dmg, up to 5000 damage, I gain 0.5 seconds to my omega special, up to 5 seconds? Because I don't think dealing 500 right off the rip is even possible.

[civic ocean]

It carries over between rooms.

[visual marlin]

So eventually that omega special is just permanently going to last 5 seconds when you're fully stacked during that run then?

[silent crow]

almost all of them are rn 😭

[ashen sinew]

oh when the meter fills up theres a surprise

[civic ocean]

After you use it once, the glory goes away and you start from 0 again

[visual marlin]

AHHHH, I SEE

That makes a LOT more sense now

[civic ocean]

So for example, I would use, say Omega Zeus Cast to get through Erebus, but then use the 5 second Omega Special to drive around and kill Hecate's witches in phase 3 of that fight

[dim kestrel]

if I died to Chronos on the last run... Evil Eye...

[visual marlin]

So stack management before a boss room is going to be importanté

[civic ocean]

It can be, you can also just decide to use it earlier to clear like a hard room

Lots of bosses also have multiples of 5k hp so you just get to use it a couple times in those fights

[visual marlin]

I did this and got SO CLOSE to beating the damn guy. I *COULDN'T(edit) read his moves in the second section.

[sour cape]

You can consider Moros pin for Chronos, extra 10s of dps is very good in phase 2

[sly plaza]

Ngl the Glory mechanic is more like a nice bonus. At least for me the main draw of the Persephone skull is the damage booster

[civic ocean]

It's one of the best ways available to get Cast damage

[sour cape]

Oh wait not pin, ummm there is the Odysseus relic

[sly plaza]

Let’s me freely omega special around to my hearts content

[tall notch]

In my pers runs, I've largely used the charged special as a revenant vacuum cleaner

[civic ocean]

for some reason The Moon gives you base power and not dmg%

[tall notch]

(I'm a revenant believer)

[civic ocean]

so Persephone has really good synergy with The Moon to begin with

[dim kestrel]

with Persephone skull, for sure

[sour cape]

Im liking Blitz blocking on Charon, it feels good and even viable with Demeter cast for a manaless Charon

[ashen sinew]

so whats with the Air Quality? why am i supposed to collect em

[sour cape]

Granted Zeus cast is more dmg

[sly plaza]

This is the way 🙏

[sour cape]

sets min dmg per hit to 30

[timber pawn]

I'll have to put out a full run sometime to really convince people. Maybe grind out another sub-10

[sly plaza]

“Will it Charon?” Is my favorite type of build tbh

[civic ocean]

AQ is a Zeus Infusion that requires 5 Air elements (those are the elemental things in the corner of each boon) that sets a damage rule in the game that you cannot deal less than 30 damage

This is important because Scorch deals its damage in small rapid ticks, so Air Quality sets those damage values to 30, multiplying the damage like crazy

[sour cape]

It deals a ton to more hp enemies

Been trying to go for Hest/Zeus duo and AQ too but I think Dem is better

[tall notch]

I prefer Apollo Charon because it lets me ignore the attack combo and fight at range

It is the axe for people who don't axe

[wild pine]

I'm confused, what does manaless charon have that manaless melinoe doesn't?

[sour cape]

Longer cast duration

[wild pine]

oh right

[timber pawn]

Cast length afaik is usually 2 sec so charon more than doubles it

[wild pine]

is that actually good though for base casts?

[ashen sinew]

oh damn thats cool
so I need set Scorch to Basic or Special attack right?

[civic ocean]

it's like 120 more damage on arctic ring base or smth

[dim kestrel]

I'm not sure it is actually. It hampers your ability to reposition it

[timber pawn]

It synergizes very well with local climate

[sly plaza]

It’s pretty solid. Even with something as simple as Demeter cast + cyclone

[sour cape]

its good for bosses and with Local Climate for mobbing

[bleak night]

Reposition which ?

[dim kestrel]

the circle

[wild pine]

doesn't manaless preclude local climate?

[bleak night]

Oh, it has Local Climate. The cast circle follows you 24/7 lol

[sour cape]

Yea it does but you just plop it

[civic ocean]

Ideally you go for Scorch on whatever part of your weapon is spammable - for Skull, I like it on the attack

You can also get it on the special but if you're greedy like me you can try getting Zeus special and then going for Thermal Dynamics, the duo between Zeus and Hestia.

[sour cape]

And its workable

[timber pawn]

Ya its not explicitly manaless. Just very low mana, I had a very fast run that actually used ionic gain lol

[dim kestrel]

ah, I suppose I'm assuming Lance for being as ranged as possible

[civic ocean]

If you play manaless you can't use local climate tho right

[bleak night]

Lance is good for normal Charon builds, this Local Climate Zeus block one is very different

[sour cape]

Yea if truly manaless, just do lance and Dem cast

[dim kestrel]

and Mel aspect, probably

[sour cape]

Nah the extra duration si good for bossing

But like with small amounts of mana you could do Zeus Cast

[dim kestrel]

I feel like if you have Lance it's no trouble to lay it down again, and you have more flexibility if it's a bit shorter

[sour cape]

Well you gotta run in there and spam your special on them

the longer duratiob lets you do that better

[dim kestrel]

ok, with the Zeus block strat I can see it

[civic ocean]

its funny when I burn away lance and have to use coal instead

I miss the autoaim so much lmao

[sour cape]

But I guess if uou use normal cast Demeter and have some mana

You can still just pop it with Charon if want to reposition

[dim kestrel]

I guess so, yeah, though then your repositioning is tied to the time it takes to charge your special

[sour cape]

Yea

[dim kestrel]

I'm probably describing a problem that arises because of my skill issue, tbh

[sour cape]

Local Climate Zeus is prob the best variant for Blitz blocking but that does take mana

Zeus/Dem/Hesita sounds fun in theory but ive never been able to get Zeus duo or AQ at same time 😔

[bleak night]

I feel like a lot of these issues would be fixed if they reverted back to 4 gods like H1 does

[tired fulcrum]

Pls no

[sour cape]

More gods means its prob less likely?

Since in fields and Tart once your pool is full got more bad rolls?

[proven orbit]

Which issues?

[bleak night]

I want more duos

in my current run's build, that is

[dim kestrel]

you'd have a lower chance of getting any particular duo though?

[proven orbit]

how many duos could you reasonably want before it's called a "pick god's keepsake"

[dim kestrel]

since you double the number of possible duos that could appear

[bleak night]

all of em

I shinyhunt Pokémon so my RNG will be immaculate and I'll have 4 duos guaranteed, dw

[sour cape]

Zeus you want

Blitz Special, Storm Ring, Lightning Lance (potential), AQ

Dem

Cyclone cast, Local Climate

Hestia

Scorch Attack, Mana, Zeus duo.

[bleak night]

But, yeah

3's pretty good for the state of things

4 would maybe work in Surface runs, where the first 8 rooms you can go into are all boons/hammers

[dim kestrel]

you can take 4 on the surface as it is if you want to, can't you?

idk what it does as far as which gods get offered after Ephyra though

[bleak night]

Can you? I don't notice too much when it comes to Ephyra's choices when I run an Olympian keepsake

[dim kestrel]

I think at the very least if you reroll rooms it doesn't restrict itself to the gods that already appear on other rooms

[bleak night]

I mostly see repeats of my keepsake + a hammer (if none in the first two rooms outside the city) + 2 other gods, hermes and a Selene

[wild pine]

I don't think I've ever seen 4 different gods in Ephyra

[bleak night]

also some HP and MP rooms

[wild pine]

(Not counting Hermes and Selene of course)

That said, I don't see forcing your 4th god with a keepsake as an especially onerous cost

[dim kestrel]

you also sometimes get 4 in the underworld if, say, you have 2 already, a third appears in a Charon shop and a different one appears on an exit from the shop

[dim kestrel]

yeah, there's almost always (always?) one god that's on 3-4 rooms, then a couple other rooms with different ones... and maybe it restricts itself to 3 non-Hermes exits. But I think rerolls can result in more than 3

particularly if you're rerolling one of the multiples of the "primary"

[timber pawn]

Under normal run circumstances it's not a big deal but if you're running antler then it's a rough trade

[crisp moth]

What is pink aura

[dim kestrel]

torches with Aphro special

[bleak night]

Alright

[dim kestrel]

specifically Mel torches?

[bleak night]

I will now try to use a Wii Nunchuk instead of a Left Joycon together with my Mouse

[tired fulcrum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1218621088049659930/1242597020028637233/Hades_II_2024-05-21_14-54-36.mp4?ex=66603667&is=665ee4e7&hm=ad692fe762a8053f2cd12ba0d0286cf1146ad0a38d48c3d588431b0b407aab9d& theres also pink eos

[digital hazel]

im struggling with both chronos and eris, which cards would you guys say are most important to upgrade?
atm i have excellence and eternity at level 3 and wayward son at 2

[bleak night]

since I can just plug it into the USB port, because the L-Joycon keeps running out of battery

[dim kestrel]

max out your death defiances

[limpid coral]

how would you play hades with a wii remote

[dim kestrel]

I'd probably also prioritize maxing out the Sprint Speed card

[limpid coral]

i wonder if you could mod hades to use motion controls on a wiimote or joycon to swing your weapon

[crisp moth]

I can’t even comprehend this

[digital hazel]

sprint speed is good? i think i dont even have it on lol

[crisp moth]

How are they so close

[cursive oyster]

those are heartthrobs

[dim kestrel]

faster sprints makes those two bosses in particular significantly easier

[waxen garden]

Origination

[wild pine]

Yeah, I just checked, and you can re-roll boon doors to get 4 gods showing

[crisp moth]

Mb

[dim kestrel]

and the instant dash is significant also

[limpid coral]

what does sprint speed do for chronos? I can see running out of range of eris

[wild pine]

Actually, I got 6 gods in Ephyra by spending 10 rolls on doors

[tired fulcrum]

I have heart throbs and the aphro apollo duo to spawn 3 of them per 30 mana i spend. I have weed killer and apollo legendary so i spend 35 mana everytime i omega attack. I have attack speed boosts so i spawn 3 heart throbs literally every half second

[bleak night]

Nunchuk has no dpad for out-of-combat interactions nvm

[dim kestrel]

in his first phase you likely want to be kind of kiting him (depends on the weapon I guess, but for most of them)... in the second phase, faster sprint means more time to react to the instakill move

what weapon are you favoring atm?

[digital hazel]

so i want something like this right? (hopefully the image works)
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/153209175328030721/1247616133859643545/image.png?ex=6660ac91&is=665f5b11&hm=636d880808aa2070cac0bf513df2b4a3294bcf38e01a7fa987b662f1ab5a2134&

ive been using artemis daggers

[brazen mauve]

Maximum death defiaaaaance

[dim kestrel]

yeah, I think getting a third DD should be a priority, since it just gives you so much more breathing room in boss fights

[digital hazel]

yeah i have the dust cooking for that i just need to pass some time

[brazen mauve]

I get plenty of health power up thingies.

[dim kestrel]

Artemis daggers you should activate Huntress

[limpid coral]

lovers is good (thats the 2 point one in the top right, i think?)

its worth like 20hp per level per boss fight usually

[tired fulcrum]

Dont you mostly just omega spam with arty daggers

[dim kestrel]

yeah, could consider deactivating Boatman and activating Huntress and Lovers

[mystic bison]

Lovers should be regular in any setup

[dim kestrel]

do you have all the god keepsakes yet?

[brazen mauve]

Getting a good god Boon early and swapping out after first boss is pretty nice.

[dim kestrel]

generally omega spam and then regular attack for things that aren't ohked

[brazen mauve]

I'm not pro, but its nice for meee

[digital hazel]

yeah i have all of them except G and Y i think (mid run so i can get the third DD)

[dim kestrel]

upgrading Origination is also good (as I think someone else said above)

[brazen mauve]

What's Origination?

[dim kestrel]

it's the card that gives you bonus damage % against anything that has 2 or more statuses on it

[brazen mauve]

Does that need particular builds to use?

Doesn't seem as all purpose as others.

[limpid coral]

it just means you might want to pick up some weaken or freeze or whatever so you can use it on the second boss or later

[dim kestrel]

yeah, it's definitely better on some builds than others. Artemis isn't super status-heavy since you probably want Aphrodite on your attack which doesn't inflict a status, and you're not necessarily dashing past things as often as with some other weapons

[civic ocean]

it's fine, good damage boost but you need to know what the statuses are

do people normally play art daggers no sorceress that sounds scary as heck

[dim kestrel]

but Demeter cast is good with Artemis, and that inflicts Freeze

[ashen sinew]

@civic ocean i am still confused whats the role of Scorch with persephone
I followed the build, so persephone has omega special effect but i felt like scorch barely did anything

did i miss anything, lemme try again

[dim kestrel]

I saw someone recommend that earlier; I haven't tried it myself

[civic ocean]

The Air Quality Scorch is how you beat bosses and the scorch on the attack just helps clean up little mobs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNUDxR1v6jI here's a YT video of me doing it, better quality one will be out tmrw

[torpid rivet]

is scorch even good without zeus infusion?

[civic ocean]

It's decent early but it's probably the worst overall attack/special boons in the game

[ashen sinew]

oh right i missed AQ completely LOL

[dim kestrel]

it's mostly outclassed by Poseidon on the things that it would be good on, is the problem

AQ aside

[turbid hull]

[ionic moon]

whoa patch

just started reading... god pool back up to 4 again

[spare kite]

God pool changed lmfao

[paper tapir]

they removed double catalysm my goat NOO

😔

[ionic moon]

torch users rise up

Umbral Flames: Attacks are stronger and faster; Omega Attack channels faster and uses less magick; Special now gives a speed boost, but has reduced damage; Omega Special can be channeled while moving

[tulip heath]

My Thanatos axe

[spare kite]

What is that eos rework

[turbid hull]

I will update my spreadsheet accordingly in.. some time

[ionic moon]

ah nice they did what i hoped with circe, serenity now gives omega bonus damage

[spare kite]

"gain glory faster but only with omega cast" @civic ocean lmao

[civic ocean]

I may never lose on skull again

[spare kite]

Conc flurry gone

[sour cape]

Patch is out 👀👀

[urban pendant]

@tall notch RIP

[sour cape]

There js still a channel speed hammer

[tulip heath]

So does the momus staff no longer add special power I assume?

[ionic moon]

Vow of Forsaking: no longer helps ensure you quickly get Duo and Legendary Boons

[ashen sinew]

oh buff for perse?

[bleak night]

finally, patch time

[sour cape]

Momus special is gone

Reworked entirely now 👀👀

[urban pendant]

The change to block/dodge priority on Artemis aspect is pretty huge

[summer root]

Goodbye Eos old friend.

[ionic moon]

yeah, now all 3 staff aspects look like they are built around omegas?

[dim kestrel]

not only that but staff special is slower all around

[sour cape]

Yea

[urban pendant]

Was annoying to miss parry because you dodged the attack instead

[tulip heath]

This is outrageous I want my nightmare back (I mostly play axe)

[sour cape]

Staff special is no more 😔

[analog osprey]

is momus dead? neat

[spare kite]

Torches regens mp while channeling now (and marked as a fix)

[urban pendant]

Speedrunners in shambles, they actually have to play the game now

[merry flint]

how's momus

[bright sequoia]

TORCH BUFFS LFGGGGGGG

[analog osprey]

i assume momus is dead if they change the stat on it
not just the gimmick

[turbid hull]

is the patch up on steaM?

[wet nova]

It’s like a whole new game

[spare kite]

Nvm read it wrong

[tulip heath]

I don’t understand this new Thanatos? I get me crit for attack speed?

[ashen sinew]

keepsakes got their design

[sour cape]

Original special build is dead/much weakened

[slate zodiac]

Ayo wtf they reworked Eos??? Why??

[spare kite]

You regen before the channeling now

[turbid hull]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1054902473707507743/1247621106882445343/image.png?ex=6660b133&is=665f5fb3&hm=0f2f3aa8eabeb93803347fd655a1a1476d524bebf6158ae9c608570d72616df5&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1440&height=616

[bleak night]

Alrighty, now that the patch is up it's time to post new Axe tech

[spare kite]

Someone post embryo

[urban pendant]

Patch dropped less than 5 minutes ago but Momus was deleted and replaced with multicast on the omega special

[sour cape]

All omegas

Not just special, you get triple omega cast and omega attack

[white steppe]

they nerfed trial of haste after I cleared it, goddammit

[merry flint]

with Dual Moonshot you should get Double Momus Omega Attack right

[spare kite]

Wait what

[turbid hull]

oh, update is there

[sour cape]

Yea it clones your cast and Attack

You can have all 3 out at once

[urban pendant]

Hex changes seem big

[sour cape]

Yea sounds like it, but double moonshot gets you a range nerf now

[spare kite]

"fixed double up sometimes doubling up mystery boons, updated description" haha yes still mives

[merry flint]

Dual Moonshot+Momus+Apollo

[runic prairie]

Been mainly using mel and artemis daggers, trying to get into aspect of pan but nothing seems to stick, I end up using them like aspect of mel but without the backstab often times, what do you guys like to run on pan?

[wise nest]

· Concentrated Flurry (Blades): cut from game; replaced with...
· Melting Dart (Blades): new! Your Special destroys a large percentage of a foe's Armor
· Flick Knives (Blades): new! Your Dash-Strike also fires several Special knives in a fan pattern
· Rapid Onslaught (Blades): reworked to also affect Omega Attack; renamed from Marauder Slice
· Hook Knives (Blades): slightly reduced speed of knives returning to you
Hook knives nerf shouldn't do much but increasing the hammer pool by 1 hurts my chances of getting hammers you want 😔

[urban pendant]

I applaud nerfing Momus but nerfing gamba uncle is unforgivable

[sour cape]

Hook knives removed backstab dmg

[merry flint]

Hey what's this about Vow of Forsaking giving easy Legends

[timber pawn]

It didn't nerf anything but boon doubling which was unintended

[merry flint]

how they nerfed this one i wonder

[spare kite]

Didn't even know it could double mystery boons lmfao

[civic ocean]

Forsaking no longer increases duo and legendary boons 🎯

[urban pendant]

Yeah it was a bug but it was funny

[little cedar]

Thank god they didn’t nerf my melinoe aspect skulls with bolstering array 🙏

[sour cape]

No longer guaranteed to get duos or Legendary if they only options in pool

[lean atlas]

oh frick, new momus

[spare kite]

Oh shops pause timer now

[merry flint]

do you have to like, gamble after getting Spare Wealth

[sour cape]

yea

[merry flint]

Shops pausing timer is great i can finally fish in it

[wise nest]

still doubles your damage output tbf

[spare kite]

Fishing paused the timer anyways

[merry flint]

Medea saved from nerfs idc

[opaque cairn]

what? no, they didn't remove momus, they changed it to affect omega special AS WELL while reducing it's range

[wild pine]

Welp, it seems I got my 32 heat clear on busted Momus literally in the final hour

[sour cape]

Backstab return dont proc Poseidon waves though

[turbid hull]

interesting, files regarding incantations were changed...

[slate zodiac]

Looks like there were a ton of changes

[torpid rivet]

woah, momus changes

[wise nest]

wait what

I thought they did

[sour cape]

They just dont for some reason lol

[spare kite]

Also the Chronos pause thibg got reduced cost

[urban pendant]

Hook Knives + Spiral Flurry with Aphro Flourish instantly deleting bosses was pretty busted

[ionic moon]

eos became a hammer lol

· Inverted Spark (Flames): new! Dash to make shots from your Attacks reverse direction and hit foes again

[wise nest]

Like since the patch or before too?

[spare kite]

Lmfao didn't see that

[sour cape]

before too

[wise nest]

then this isn't that big a deal 😌

[sour cape]

[merry flint]

I will not miss Momus tbh I had fun doing Momus stuff on Mel Staff

[urban pendant]

Honestly Eos turning its spooky bois into turrets is an interesting idea

[spare kite]

Barren removed from the chaos prophecy lol

[wise nest]

It's still good hammer

[bleak night]

Here's your new Axe tech. Shieldless instant Omega Specials with extra dodges inbetween + Thanatos whirl-cancelled dash attacks for hybrid options

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1247622146671247423/Charon_Buffer_State.mp4?ex=6660b22b&is=665f60ab&hm=54af6bfd5b9b56732447a679b778101835d53e7d8208c01cdd827e3c32205629&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1247622149364125717/Thanatos_Instant_Whirl_Cancels.mp4?ex=6660b22c&is=665f60ac&hm=2cda791021a7c62dbd04d2c6c320e3ecb98f1c57027856971f5a29cad934f34f&

[sour cape]

Eos looks fun

[distant ocean]

what's the damage?

[sour cape]

You can summon a ghostie 👀👀

To do all the work for you 😂

[lean atlas]

oop, there goes the momus damage. You will be remember little buddy o7

[wise nest]

oh my god the buffs are going nuts

[urban pendant]

Ooooh, the aspects have proper icons now

[sour cape]

Momus still looks like a lotta potential

[wise nest]

This is beautiful

[sour cape]

like triple poseidon or Apollo cast??

[wild pine]

OMG normal Skull Omega Attack is now about the size that Apollo Skull Omega Attack used to be

[sour cape]

Thats a lotta dmg

[wise nest]

except it's actually cool magic build now instead of SPAM SINGLE BUTTON !!!!

[limpid coral]

what are the inputs for the instant charging m2?

[sour cape]

Yea special spamming is dead

[regal talon]

Did they gut momus?

[urban pendant]

You all know what this Eos change means right.
Pink Aura x2

[distant ocean]

" Sister Blades (Artemis): you will Block again if the effect recharges while you are channeling; Block now takes priority over Dodge and similar effects" large

[wise nest]

Tbf I wish they had a staff aspect that was more melee focused 😔

[bleak night]

m2 ?

[torpid rivet]

new momus is basically Double Cataclysm but as an aspect

[lean atlas]

oh shoot, Eos is completely different too

[spare kite]

"reduced effectiveness of mutant sheep"

[limpid coral]

ah, charge special

[sour cape]

Reworked, now its an Omega weapon

[distant ocean]

double cataclysm was garbage tho :T

[regal talon]

Better or worse now?

[wise nest]

does the rework also remove the damage buff to special

[torpid rivet]

double cata was fun

[distant ocean]

probably worse lol

[sour cape]

Who can say lol

[analog osprey]

yes it did

[torpid rivet]

momus says "several times" so it might repeat an additional time with each upgrade

[bleak night]

Let out a normal Omega Special and never let the Special go, and it'll put you in a buffer-state where every single dash you do is going to Omega Special charge faster than normal, as it bypasses the shield animation entirely. It also affords you an extra dash to further redirect

[distant ocean]

there's no way they were goingto buff the best aspect in the game with a rework.

[sour cape]

Yes ofc. Special attack speed also nerfed

[wild pine]

Wow, Persephone is nuts now. You only charge glory with the omega cast. But hitting Skelly with two Moon-arcana casts gives you a half full bar

[urban pendant]

Momus even re-casts your omega cast, Poseidon Cast and Apollo Cast here we gooooooooo

[wise nest]

Yeah that nerf is the most important by far

[lean atlas]

oh frick, the torch attacks are ZOOMING

[analog osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1243667475187499010/1247623200620154920/image.png?ex=6660b326&is=665f61a6&hm=bec80faa4c6b9b2414050d0522a59aa400c52de2794f2e351a36fffaf8e2521f&

[torpid rivet]

thats pretty nuts ngl

[wise nest]

WE HAVE ANOTHER OMEGA CASTSPECT WHOOO

[sour cape]

Also Mel Axe gets the stat boost now 👀👀

you get +35 attack and +35 hp

[distant ocean]

atleast it's not unusable

[urban pendant]

RIP Bozo, old Momus won't be missed

[torpid rivet]

how's thanatos aspect

[limpid coral]

Ah, so you just have to hold the special input and then if you dash it will immediately start charging again, and fire in the direction you last dashed?

[wise nest]

I can't wait to hop on after I sleep and play NEW AND IMPROVED AXE

[bleak night]

Yep, give it a try

[spare kite]

The marauder axe hammer now works with spin

[distant ocean]

old momus ofc will be missed by the hardcores

[bleak night]

Yep, yep

[distant ocean]

even if it was just raw damage.

[sour cape]

Than changed. Lower crit buff and charged by normal attacks. Bur comes with innate attack speed buff

[opal saffron]

Damn definitely gonna miss old aspect of Eos, new one looks interesting but just different

[spare kite]

Can anyone clip new eos

[urban pendant]

Hardcore rightclickers maybe. It was the single most boring aspect in the game. You could ignore the game and just rightclick.

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1247623597262897172/image.png?ex=6660b385&is=665f6205&hm=f31310806f21c0e0c453d656d50c191ed5b499930e5a64b95de0d32d5b304773& ???

[wild pine]

There is now a hammer that gives you the old Eos effect

[wise nest]

Hot take they should've just made momus only buff the attack and increase the buff so that it becomes a hardcore melee aspect

[distant ocean]

you're being a contrarian reductionist.

[wise nest]

I wish we had achilles 😔

[distant ocean]

playing video games is just moving your thumbs dude, no big deal so boring...

[opal saffron]

Nevermind this game is awesome thank you for this information

[torpid rivet]

ngl sounds kinda bad, dash strike is way worse in this game

[bleak night]

it's a way to apply both the effects of your attack and special in one go

[tender anvil]

Well, I don’t have to endlessly farm 55 Momus now, at least there’s that!

[sour cape]

I feel like just stat buffs was uninteresting way for an unlocked aspect, its prob in a better place now.

[analog osprey]

it is early access, some things are bound to change

[sour cape]

Yea and Momus was way too good

[distant ocean]

we'll see if it feels even half as good or fun to play but I doubt it will considering omegas on staff suck lol

[urban pendant]

It changed nothing about the weapon except adding an inconsequential heal. Momus was a boring stat stick and it's good that it's gone.

[civic ocean]

all it is now is 3x stat buffs just on omegas

[lean atlas]

gonna go try the new torches with poseidon on now

[limpid coral]

I didn't see anything about prioritizing dash over attack if both are input during an attack animation :/

[wise nest]

I have a feeling it also is a decent option for pan at high heat bc you have a magicless way to trigger multiple knives

[wild pine]

There is a long delay before the second and third shots go off, so most bosses and mobile enemies are only going to be hit once most of the time.

[sour cape]

No because they dont exactly fire 3x faster than you could just spamming one Omega, you have to use all of them to take advantage of the aspect

[spare kite]

Colossus driver now works with omega too? Lmfao

[bleak night]

That's fair, yeah

[urban pendant]

Yeah Frick Knives sounds really good for easy Origination uptime

[sour cape]

You should like it, it allows for damage without big dmg windows

[civic ocean]

Casts keep people in them though, like it's definitely feasible to hit Cerberus and Chronos with the trips

[sour cape]

Yea so it encourages you to use all your Omegas

rather than focus on one

[civic ocean]

I think it encourages you to run storm ring

[wise nest]

Has anyone tested how flick knives works in relation to channeled special knives

[bleak night]

I'm guessing you're all going on either Torch or Persephone runs first ?

[wise nest]

Like will flick pan give you the full boost

[wild pine]

On new!Momus the Omega cast repeats the damage burst 3 times but the binding circle disappears after the first blast.

[sour cape]

I would be thinking Poseidon or Solar Ring, because it only duplicates the ending blast

[urban pendant]

I'm gonna test if it triggers Apollo cast 3 times

[wild pine]

So you'd have to keep re-upping the CC. Don't get me wrong, it will be very good. But not mindless.

[civic ocean]

Wait so its actually better than I think then

[urban pendant]

Keepsake icons are in, finally

[spare kite]

Persephone sounds even more hilarious now

[wise nest]

wait that's kinda huge though

[sour cape]

I think its strong but not just spamming special

[wise nest]

Apollo cast go brr

[civic ocean]

It surely doesn't give you 5 seconds right

[sour cape]

And nobody except Charon was using Apollo over Zeus much so I think its fine

[wise nest]

I would like to recreate the big bang (I have multiple momus apollo casts blasting at once)

[wild pine]

Pretty much everything in this patch encourages Storm Ring. Circe now gives +100% omega damage during serenity, Persephone now only charges off cast damage, Momus gonna Momus. Hex buffs should incentivize spending mana.

[sour cape]

Its more like you drop your Omega special/attack/cast anf they act as turrets

[civic ocean]

Speaking of Charon, if I'm reading this right

Charon just starts with partial sudden cleaver already?

[wise nest]

Did they put anything about giving invuln during hex casting

[dawn quiver]

I actually really liked sidelong crash but I understand the changes I think

[sour cape]

Circe to me seems encouraging Poseidon cast.

Since you get 5s of Serentity, spamming Poseidon seems like a lotta valud

[wise nest]

Because it sucks that you're vulnerable for like 3 whole seconds if you use it during chronos fight

[onyx trench]

new patch I love new info

THEY BUFFED CIRCE HELL YEAH

[wild pine]

Man, Melinoe Daggers now feels like far and away the worst and least interesting aspect in the game

[sour cape]

Yea power moved from Hammer to the weapon. Its sooo much better to charge

and you get time slowdown on the charge 👀👀

[lean atlas]

wait, they nerfed forsakeness

[onyx trench]

they did LMAO

[spare kite]

Who expected less lmfao

[wise nest]

yeah the backstab thing is kinda lame considering artemis is just a better version of the whole "teleports behind u" build

[sour cape]

Yea... well forsake nerf was prob justified

[wild pine]

Holy Cow, all Torch builds now basically get Clean Candle and an Epic Hermes Attack for free

[wise nest]

forsaking being not just free heat but an active buff to you 95% of the time is wild tbf

[onyx trench]

it was free fear, and let you force legendary and duos REAL early

[urban pendant]

It does not

[lean atlas]

Yeh, torch attack speed is nuts

[spare kite]

How much does the omegas cost now

[sour cape]

So just duplicates the final explosion?

[civic ocean]

guess whose meme build is completely unaffected by the forsaking change

[wise nest]

even now it's still insane because guess what you still get infusion boons and earth infusion boon go brr

[tall notch]

How's the new torch? I can't test it for a while

[onyx trench]

as a flames fan...hell yeah.

[urban pendant]

Yep it just duplicates the regular Omega cast burst, not any boon effects to it

[turbid hull]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18BO3vOgqm_SaBwr9uWMlRH_Yj0h9G08ZLhQaqdz6z9s/edit?usp=sharing I didn't do anything yet, just letting you know this exists and will be updated (for now it's the same as 0.91027)

[timber pawn]

It's very different, Eos anyway

[steel sequoia]

they reworked a lot of stuff oh jeez

[spare kite]

More value from that arty boon hell yeah

[urban pendant]

Eos became a hammer, Eos aspect now creates a ghost turret as its omega attack, that duplicates your (omega) specials

[onyx trench]

want to know ur initial thoughts on this. eos aspect got reworked into a hammer; how do u feel?

[sour cape]

Completely different. Omega attack summons a ghost that causes explosions in aoe and whrn you special, the ghost copies your special

[wise nest]

virgin momus poseidon: nooo, my king tide, my special attack speed

chad pan poseidon: no king tide? You will simply die in 2 omega specials instead of 1

[sour cape]

So its like a summoner weapon

[steel sequoia]

first thing i thought was eos fan reaction lmao

[wild pine]

Correction: 2 torch aspects get clean candle for free, Eos gets a bizarre Dire Candle variant isntead

[onyx trench]

literally thought of eos fan right as the patch dropped

[spare kite]

Someone do heartache trial now

[sour cape]

Moros torches look way better 👀

[wise nest]

I'm quite happy to see how significant the buffs for torches/axe are

[urban pendant]

Although Momus doesn't let you triple Apollo cast, it DOES let you turn the entire room into a minefield for enemies

[sour cape]

Yea glad they buffed Torches

[hazy crater]

In the patch notes it says that chronos isnt "patently unfair". Does anyone know what they mean? I'm guessing they made it so he doesn't use the boomerang attack 15 times in a row anymore or something

[steel sequoia]

i spent hours in haste trial

[onyx trench]

axe def didnt need the buffs imo but i'll take them

[wise nest]

Fixed Odysseus rather rudely walking away while in conversation with Nemesis
NO THEY NERFED MY GIGACHAD

[torpid rivet]

I wonder how Momus with Apollo legendary will work

[onyx trench]

did they rework momus just to make it broken again

[steel sequoia]

as a caster myself ill be happier

[wild pine]

I must not understand how the new Axe special works. On first try it feels less usable and more finicky

[distant ocean]

as a true cult caster i'm pissed.

[sour cape]

I feel like the block was not very usable as a reactive block in the middle of combo and now it is.

And no time slow on the Omega Special just kinda felt bad and inconsistent

[civic ocean]

No that's staying

They probably meant stuff like channeling the instakill during your Death Defiance animation, or spinning like crazy with the vacuum move during phase changes

[timber pawn]

I think there were some issues with Chronos tracking players and 180ing to hit them lol

[wise nest]

My #1 example is how him sometimes being locked in an attack animation for 5 years after phasing can include him dragging you in with the whirlwind and doing 40 damage to you even though you should be safe

[distant ocean]

they buffed pan more than they buffed artemis kekw.

[hazy crater]

Ah

[onyx trench]

literally ran an omega cast build as the patch dropped, didnt see the notification until I got into a room with ten goldwraiths and no DDs. as a cast fan...we cooking

[distant ocean]

unforgivable that pan even sees buffs.

[sour cape]

Daggers got all their Special hammers nerfed dramatically

[distant ocean]

psht psht psht.

[civic ocean]

You should check and see if Local Climate works on Momus

[turbid hull]

What do the numbers of the versions mean? Both version numbers use the same digits

[sour cape]

Backstab hammer no longer adds bonus dmg and slower, Concentrated Flurry removed

[tall notch]

I'll miss my aspect, but to fully form an opinion I'll need to try reworked Eos (and maybe Moros as buffed attack could make it good)

[turbid hull]

0.91027
0.92170

[timber pawn]

Work shakes fist at sky

[onyx trench]

he does turn off and ignore a lot of the base mechanics, like sorceress, the time stop on hexes, etc

[wise nest]

mfw die to tempus on my way to dodge instakill and then lose 2 dds instead of one

[wild pine]

In the feedback channel a lot of people have been complaining about the way certain things can overlap in phase 2 based on random location selection. Generally people get salty about the clock-based instakill coming out when he camps on the safe point spamming attacks, or it's full of hourglass time bubbles, or when he time slows you during his instakill.

[civic ocean]

they're approaching version 1.0 so the higher number means newer

[timber pawn]

I could see you moving towards moros, it's less safe though

[wise nest]

sorceress is totally fair to ignore, but it's the fact that you're sitting their vulnerable for 10 years during hex animation that sucks

[wild pine]

So I expect that changed his logic for selecting when to cast the instakill and where to drop the safe spot.

[bleak night]

I like how Hera's fan keepsake is sporting the colours of a peacock btw, her sacred animal

[sour cape]

Im liking Eos, its super safe summoning your ghostie

and letting him.do all the work 😂

[civic ocean]

Moros is the new Momus, slap Wave Strike Huntress on the boy and watch stuff get owned

[onyx trench]

its time for melinoe aspect to shine. also hell yeah selene got buffed

[hazy crater]

Yeah it's really annoying when he casts the one shot thing and also casts the bubbles so I literally cannot get to the zone where I won't die

[timber pawn]

I think the medea approach of Zeus special and aphro or other strong attack can do work too

[onyx trench]

how are u feeling with axe changes

[wise nest]

as a pan enjoyer conc is whatever but backstab hammer is a bit unfort 😔
Tbf you go from 250% to 200% damage so it's a 20% damage nerf more or less, it'll still go insane

[sour cape]

Mel Axe also prob new Momus, it gets a crazy +35 power on attack and +35 hp

[civic ocean]

I'm going to play Roast Beef on it now

[summer seal]

Poseidon is always going to find a way to top the charts it seems

[onyx trench]

also can we talk about the skull. almost zero changes. perfect weapon

[distant ocean]

it's not even a 20% damage nerf, and it's a ninja nerf on top of it lol

[wise nest]

75 base swing is nuts we love to see it

[distant ocean]

which is weird af.

[civic ocean]

Persephone changes inspired by the most handsome Persephone player no doubt

[hazy crater]

On one of my first runs that I got to chronos, and thr first one when I got to the second stage, this happened to me when i had no DDs left and waa about to beat him. It sucked

[gilded forum]

· Vow of Forsaking: no longer helps ensure you quickly get Duo and Legendary Boons
what does this change mean?
do you need to roll the duo and legendary boon chances individually (as in, we can find empty/unfilled boon options even when duo/legendaries are available?

[onyx trench]

flat damage good

[wise nest]

yep

[sour cape]

And also those like those range hammers or bounce hammers for the special no longer add power

[distant ocean]

but whatever, pan is the only speedrun way forward now.

[wise nest]

w a t

[sour cape]

But Pan is still very strong id imagine

[bleak night]

losing 7 crit on Than hurts, but I'll have to train with it to understand the properties of adding attack speed to an Axe like that. I might start going hybrid Big Chop and Whirls. As for Charon, I can say that it's just buffed a lot despite the Omega Special being 30 instead of 25 mp cost, from what I saw. I guess Titan or Unseen is required now since that means your 50 mana pool only unleashes one instead of two now

[gilded forum]

oh that's a huge nerf then

[distant ocean]

there might be something in the torches.

[wise nest]

those hammers were totally fine

[hazy crater]

I'm honestly surprised they didn't nerf Poseidon or buff other gods in this patch, maybe in the next one

[distant ocean]

and persephone, but we'll see.

[sour cape]

Yea like the range increasing hammer only increases special range and straight line, no more power inc

[gilded forum]

does it cause completely empty boons to be rollable when you have duo/legendarys available or are you still guaranteed when they are the last boons available?

[distant ocean]

" Hippo: self-destruct area should more closely match the visuals" extremely good news maybe?

[civic ocean]

Previously, the game was coded in a way where if possible, they would show you 3 boons if possible, regardless of chances to be offered duo or legendary boons. So you could eliminate your way into one.

Now, that is no longer the case. Duo boon builds are now much less powerful.

[wise nest]

poseidon is fine on his own, the builds that abused him were just the best aspects for other resons tbf

[onyx trench]

you were out here running charon without unseen? r u insane

[distant ocean]

Nerf hippo. >:[ !!! you can't spell Hippo without OP

[civic ocean]

Unseen stinky

[sour cape]

Maybe in next patch, no gods were changed

[turbid hull]

am I blind or they didn't talk about Giga Moonburst in the patch notes?

[wise nest]

Momus was still turbo op without poseidon, pan still go brrr without poseidon

[wild pine]

However, they changed the default god pool cap from 3 gods to 4, which is a huge buff to Forsaking.

[merry flint]

4 god limit were so back im cooking

[bleak night]

Yeah, Unseen was kind of a waste on it

[sour cape]

4 god limit back 😎

[civic ocean]

oh yeah 4 god limit is also a nerf\

[gritty heath]

Could someone explain god limit? were you actually only able to use 3 in a run?

[merry flint]

H1 god limits were great

[sour cape]

Nerf to consistency yea

[onyx trench]

oh i didnt catch that. 4 god limit baybee

[gilded forum]

i mean running out of boons wasnt really an issue in my experience
it just dilutes my consistency more

[hazy crater]

I bet that's the plan, since they said the next one is boons

[spare kite]

Taking the boon from a god adds them to a pool
Once you take boons from 4 gods (exceptions being special boon givers like arty) the others will disappear from the run

[wise nest]

omg now we just need to add back achilles + rama + hestia (objectively coolest aspects from h1)

[civic ocean]

nooo this is worse

It makes it harder for you to get specific boons you want

[sour cape]

Makes sense, I cant imagine they'd leave Born Again being broken and Ionic Gain being terrible

[wise nest]

^ yeah a bigger pool is always gonna introduce more rng hell

[civic ocean]

It's actually much much harder to get specific boons in the game now, and MUCH MUCH harder to get specific legendaries or duos.

[visual marlin]

Anyone ever consider taking selene's Moon vs other route? I feel like I never really use any of the Moon techs except the healing one. Everything else feels too short and/or difficult to land even after taking several extra seconds in the Path of Stars.

[distant ocean]

They haveto keep born gain in the game as it is right now because it's the only thing that lets omega skills be viable.

[gilded forum]

are we still guaranteed to find one boon option if there is a legal boon though? as in, would a full pool depletion still guarantee the legendary/duo as opposed to only mostly depleting the pool? or would we have to roll potentially empty boon choices to find the duos/legendaries?

[onyx trench]

I do wish we could do something with primed mana, honestly. like choosing to spend it in exchange for losing the effect?

[distant ocean]

or well, enjoyable?

[civic ocean]

No, now you can get spare wealth

[sour cape]

No lol, you can use other mana gains just fine

[distant ocean]

It's the only thing that solves the problem of magick realistically without ruining the pacing or fun of the game.

[sour cape]

Pan uses Poseidon very well

[gilded forum]

i see
time to run the queen again i guess

[distant ocean]

1,000% stopping your entire omega build to do other stuff to let your magick slowly regen over time is just a drag

[sour cape]

Born Again is way too good of a gain

[onyx trench]

hexes look like their magick requirements were reduced and hopefully the path of stars was boosted

[civic ocean]

Unironically where is captainfail it's his time

[distant ocean]

the rest of the gains are just garbage. 1billion percent

[hazy crater]

I love the healing one lol. One time I had a run where I got a ton of path of stars upgrades, so by the final boss I had 12 uses ready and they all healed like 50hp iirc and gave other buffs

[regal swan]

Hi! I've been wondering about one detail. The Swift Runner arcana says "Your dash is immediate and your sprint is x% faster." What does the "immediate" part mean? I don't see any difference when it's on.

[civic ocean]

1 boon builds are now OP

[timber pawn]

A hero of our time

[sour cape]

Considering they nerfed the best manaless build, what are your alternatives?

Born Again is 100% being nerfed imo

[wise nest]

they nerfed my pan but you know what it's still gonna go hard

[distant ocean]

The most efficient magick builds will reign.

[civic ocean]

his foresight incredible, WABSing nerfed, 1 boon builds buffed

[hazy crater]

There is a small delay from when you press the dash button to when you actually move. In case you are wondering, it is highly recommend that you have that arcana active pretty much always

[distant ocean]

They'll still reign because born gain is still an oppurtunity cost.

[timber pawn]

Which patch note is this related to lol

[visual marlin]

Yea, I take the healing one too over everything else. But the rng sometimes is never in my favour. 😂 End up wasting a route and having a dead hex that I barely use.

[distant ocean]

Medea and Pan are still here to stay.

[wild pine]

My understanding:

• Once you've gained a boon from a god, you're more likely to see that god again than to see any particular new god, when a random boon is generated
• Once you have boons from 4+ gods (current version) or 3+ gods (old version), newly-generated doors and newly-opened random boon bags will never give you boons from gods you don't already have.
• Hermes, Selene, and Artemis don't count.
• You can get more than 4 gods either by using a keepsake to force a 5th god to appear, or occasionally because boons from 2 different gods are generated while you only have 3, and you can take both.
• If you end up with boons from 5 gods, all 5 will be eligible to continue showing up in the future.

[onyx trench]

probably medea, tbh. thats how i do my nice fun no mana runs

[civic ocean]

forsaking nerf, 4 god pool, most weapons/aspects getting inbuilt hammers

[sour cape]

The most efficinet magick to dmg builds are cast builds lol

[tall notch]

Think about it this way, though. More gods = more boons = you can WABS harder

[distant ocean]

absolutely incorrect. lol

[hazy crater]

Yeah it always sucks when you just get 3 choices of equally useless hexes, hopefully the balances changes will help

[gritty heath]

do we know when patch drops?

[civic ocean]

More gods = I can tack born gain onto everything now

[lean atlas]

Mel Axe is epic now

[regal swan]

Huh, weird. Thank you for the advice! Death to Chronos

[timber pawn]

Already out afaik

[onyx trench]

artemis doesnt count >;[

[sour cape]

15 mana for Solar Ring or Apollo is the best mana to dmg you'll get besides manaless builds ofc

[hazy crater]

Death to chronos raghhhhhh

[gilded forum]

born gain is a little tricky to nerf without a signficant rework just because of how the math on it works
also you'd probably need to buff all the other gains because the difference between born gain and anything else is a canyon right now

[tall notch]

My triple earth torch will get passion dash

[distant ocean]

Efficient does include damage in the ratio, casts are fine but they're not going to top the charts nor have they been, even when considering non-momus runs

[spare kite]

Chaos also doesn't but that's kinda obvious

[wild pine]

It is live now

[sour cape]

I think it should prob reserve a % of your mana rather than 10

[gritty heath]

oh nice, I got my 32 fear surface run in just in time lol

[civic ocean]

you will also get offered aphrodite 4 times in a row when you are on CG 4 Earth boons

[visual marlin]

I love the one where Melinoe transforms into her whatever form and just blasts nonstop, but the duration is way too short even after taking extra seconds in path of stars. I end up misjudging my timing and get whacked for it. Greed vs safety. 😂

[lean atlas]

what if busted gain only restored a certain percentage of magick instead of 100%

[sour cape]

Maybe 10% of your max mana per refill

[bitter spoke]

Mel axe, Aphrodite attack, Apollon double strike, Big chop hammer. Thats it, you dont need more

[distant ocean]

Born Gain is either going to be good or bad, if it doesn't restore enough it's going to be bad, if it restroes enough it's going to be good, there is not going to be a happy middle ground lol

[tall notch]

I'd take born gain simply buffing your regen by something crazy (like 50/sec) instead of topping you up

[ionic moon]

man i think circe aspect is gonna be popping off

[civic ocean]

Every weapon is popping off

[sour cape]

But also Torches dont need Born Again

[wild pine]

I'm not sure what you mean when you say Forsaking is nerfed. I'd say that the difference in value between the builds you can expect to get with Forsaking on and with Forsaking off has actually increased; Forsaking helps more than it used to and hurts less. It may be true that Forsaking-builds are now less consistent, but I think normal builds are even-more-less-consistent.

[wise nest]

did big chop get buffed

[sour cape]

You can regen mana while omega attacking

[lean atlas]

i was thinking about Hephy & mom duo with it

[civic ocean]

Forsaking no longer guarantees duos and legendaries, which is a massive nerf

[hazy crater]

I don't use it much, but one run I had a really cheesy build where during the chronos fight I would just spam omegas even if they weren't doing anything until I got the invincibility, then since I had buffed it to have reduced cost and increased time, 90% of the time I was invincible(still lost eventually because I didn't set up the build with a good mana Regen system)

[hazy crater]

But man it was so funny

[tall notch]

What did they do to forsaking? Is pencil meta dead?

[sour cape]

No longer guarantees duos or legendaries

[civic ocean]

it no longer forces duos and legendaries

[wild pine]

You're not clarifying for me whether you're saying that the absolute power level of Forsaking builds has decreased, the different in power level between Forsaking and non-Forsaking builds has decreased, or both.

[distant ocean]

=] more rng.

[visual marlin]

Sounds pretty broken. W build. Now to recreate it with more mana regen. 😂

[bitter spoke]

it could be like each time it restores in a encounter, it restores %20 less (like %100 ghen %80 then %60. Minimum is %20) or they basically should add a cooldown to it

[split igloo]

RIP momus aspect

[bitter spoke]

No but i used it at Chaos trial and damn that was op

[spare kite]

Rest in piss momus

[distant ocean]

rip the only good aspect in the game.

[split igloo]

so glad I got a sub 10 with it before the nerf

[hazy crater]

Yeah. Main issue aside from manna Regen was that I didn't get enough path of stars. If I recreate it I bet I could win

[sour cape]

Oh come.on there are other good weapons besides Momus, you paid for all the weapons, use them

[spare kite]

Also what's the description of double up now

[bitter spoke]

Who told yall that its going to get nerfed

[civic ocean]

I don't really know what you mean - yes to all I guess? The way you have to build god combos in this game is drastically different and more difficult. You can't go and say "I am going to go Local Climate Golden Rule Charon aspect" because you're actually a lot less likely to get offered those boons now than you were with Forsaking

[hazy crater]

Main issue is that it's only really viable by the end, so you gotta have a viable build to get to the end while building it up.

[distant ocean]

I did use all of them, for fun, but I don't claim them to be good or on the level that they should've been

[wild pine]

I hardly ever ran entirely out of take-able boons. But I did fairly often lock myself out of filling a core slot at all, such as by passing up all 3 gains or all 3 sprints or whatever. It happens a lot less now that I'm running all 10 re-rolls, but I think it will now be more acceptable to consider going down to 6.

[sour cape]

They def good enough to beat the game and tackle up to 32

[distant ocean]

I tried my hardest to make artemis clear 48, not even 50 and it's just like yeah

[merry flint]

Look at this way - 4 god limit means you can take whatever 3 god build you had last patch and add born gain to it

Were so back

[distant ocean]

lets worry about gimping the one aspect that can do it consistently without being subject to the hell that is stupid useless hammers.

[wise nest]

Well there's a lot of buffs so hey you can get better aspects now

[wild pine]

Or Lightning Lance

[merry flint]

That too

[sour cape]

Not all the weapons have to be able to do that, only 1 aspect managed to do 64 clear in H1

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1247629273121161247/Hybrid_spin_dash_cancel.mp4?ex=6660b8ce&is=665f674e&hm=641273aff3f947c811a36da020ad6978a83f542335a3bede5b953df91759f370&

[civic ocean]

it's also a low key nerf to Coarse Grit + Trusty Shield which is interesting

[distant ocean]

Not all weapons should be able to beat the game? Means that those that don't aren't good.

Fun or capable, but not both.

[spare kite]

Max fear will never be balanced around lmfao

[sour cape]

Maxing out fear is not beating the game

[merry flint]

Prolly balanced at 24 fear

[sour cape]

The sooner you understand thats not intended to be beat, the happier you'll be

[analog osprey]

question: does ever having hera as one of your three gods in a run force zeus to spawn?

[civic ocean]

Hades 1 famously only had 1 weapon that could beat the game ig

[proven orbit]

it is time.

[merry flint]

No

[wild pine]

But Tall Order is now stonks

[distant ocean]

Why is 32 to be balanced around?

[sour cape]

The last fear with an actual reward

[analog osprey]

i have apollo/demeter/hera and zeus keeps showing up, no keepsake

[bleak night]

Nope, I've had Zeus not spawn during a Hera keepsake start run

[civic ocean]

I guess? Tall Order kinda sucks doesn't it

[lean atlas]

You don't "Beat" roguelikes, not really. We are all roleplaying Sisyphus out here

[distant ocean]

Hold on you guys are acting like there's an arbitrary beating point that needs to be balanced around but then when I say it's beating the game you say but not that.

[hazy crater]

Fr

[bleak night]

Oh, that's because the patch notes say it's 4 gods now. Probs just a coincidence

[analog osprey]

oh didnt see that ty

[civic ocean]

What is "beating the game" on an Early Access Narrative Roguelike

[distant ocean]

getting through every challenge presented to the player by the game.

[wild pine]

When you already have 3 gods there are only 5 options left, so seeing the same one repeatedly isn't that weird

[sour cape]

Well to unlock all the content. And the Developers intent is that you can't run all fear with all weapons

[spare kite]

And each aspect has been able to do that rn tho?

[distant ocean]

So that's beating the game? Cool then everything was already balanced, why did we nerf momus?

[sour cape]

H1 you only had 1 weapon capable of doing 64 fear, and its fine balance wise

[civic ocean]

So then only weapons that can clear 55 Fear are "good"?

[distant ocean]

Lol seriously. Everything perfectly fit that for you guys that think beating the game is 32 fear.

[sour cape]

Because Momus was way too good than alternatives

[distant ocean]

Oh, but it's a single player game, just play something else if that bothered you.

[sour cape]

It was significantly easier to win at 32 than other weapons

[turbid hull]

didn't this change? https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1054902473707507743/1247631353801871400/image.png?ex=6660babe&is=665f693e&hm=6160b0a4f53c863dc8853aaf7e83b56248e37c5355d90fc97ab9568fc44b5fe7&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1440&height=355

[analog osprey]

it was double moonshot that got changed iirc

[spare kite]

(we have like 4 aspects now at 64 heat fwiw, just modded)

[sour cape]

Not like trivially easy but relarive to other weapons it needed a change

[turbid hull]

Iirc it was at +40 Magick, not +30

[distant ocean]

Why does that matter, though? If beating the game isn't possible why does it matter if one is better or worse at not beating the game? lol

[tender anvil]

What are those, out of curiosity?

[civic ocean]

I still want to know if "beating the game" is 55 fear

[distant ocean]

You see your answer is because one has a better chance at beating the game.

[hazy crater]

I think it was +30 and that made it 40 overall but I don't remember

[bleak night]

Zeus Shield and Rama, off the top of my head

[sour cape]

Because single player games still require meaningful choices, why bother playing other weapons if Momus was sooo much stronger?

[turbid hull]

Ah, possible, mb then

[spare kite]

Zeus/rama/guan yu/eris

[bleak night]

Haven't seen you in a bit, hiya!

[turbid hull]

I have +40 on my sheet and multiple sources (from before patch) say +40 though...

[distant ocean]

That's a downfall in providing meaningful options, removing the only meaningful option does not make the rest of the meaningless things meaningful

[tender anvil]

Guan Yu

[tired fulcrum]

Tf did they do to eos

[turbid hull]

Hi

[bleak night]

UHHH WHY CAN I USE CHARON OMEGA SPECIAL WITH 0 MANA

[spare kite]

Power aside momus was as far as gameplay goes imo abyways

[sour cape]

No, because the other weapons are fine in power level for the most part, Momus was significantly above them

[turbid hull]

Can someone check Giga Moonburst pre patch please

[sour cape]

And Momus playstyle is just uninteresting

[civic ocean]

It also was meaningless by do_od's own definition of beating the game, so not sure why he objects to it being removed

[tender anvil]

TIME TO GET MY 50!!!

[lean atlas]

idk I can't do it

[tired fulcrum]

Do you have apollo legendary and born gain?

[lean atlas]

at 0, can't Omega Special

[distant ocean]

If they were not close to something that couldn't even beat the game then they weren't good either lol

[bleak night]

I'm in the training room https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1247632286086860901/Charon_0_mana.mp4?ex=6660bb9c&is=665f6a1c&hm=a108c0e8c0dbdbc736193f8a61632a14c25b82d29fe836dd93f4d0905c314725&

[turbid hull]

· Aetheric Moonburst (Staff): increased Magick restoration from Power Shots

It also changes the additional damage from +20% to +50%...

[civic ocean]

if your definition of "beating the game" includes 55 fear then Momus was just as useless as the rest of the weapons, so no worries on it being reworked, right

[distant ocean]

or "fine"

[tired fulcrum]

I cant do that

[lean atlas]

how did you bug it out

[sour cape]

Your metric of beating the game is not the one the Devs agree with.

[proven orbit]

New to this convo, why is beating the game only at max fear?

[civic ocean]

Because he said so

[tender anvil]

55 was possible with Momus though

[torpid mirage]

oh my lord the new thanotos is soo good. the 30% speed boost is huge

[distant ocean]

Because it's a challenge in the game. Why is dante must die mode in DMC games.

[sour cape]

If you're going to argue from that axiom, there isnt much else to say besides the vision of the game the devs want differs from yours.

[civic ocean]

55 was probably "possible" with more things, too. Probably still is - 55 is defined by the game's rng

[distant ocean]

because it's the penultimate challenge presented by the game to beat and failure to do so is not beating it lol

[lean atlas]

I'd say if the devs don't want Momus to be boring, let them

[spare kite]

32 heat is not even an steam achievement back in H1
Why would max fear be

[distant ocean]

Ya'll opinion of boring is weird anyways.

[proven orbit]

It is an artistic decision of developers to make a challenge mode that is likely improbable or impossible, to challenge the absolute best of playerbase

[sour cape]

Theres no way you could make the weapons capable of doing 55 reasonably well and have it not be super easy at 0 fear

[broken pier]

I'm sad I'm stuck working right now, my favorite thing in the patch notes is "Hippos explosion radius will now more accurately match the indicator" LIKE PLZ GOD YES

[bleak night]

the moment I refilled my mana the bug disappeared, so idk how it happened

[summer seal]

Penultimate? So the 2nd highest level of challenge? What then is the ultimate challenge?

[distant ocean]

You're going to be playing the same way you would with momus on most of your builds, just holding down right or left click. But it won't be boring to you because it's not top dog and easily hateable because you like to hate things that are good because projection or something fruedian

[sour cape]

Considering majority of players are not going to go above 32 or even 24 maybe, balance and power level should be focused around lower fears

[proven orbit]

^

[analog osprey]

^

[civic ocean]

So you just like don't play the other weapons at all eh

[distant ocean]

the majority of playesr don't need to worry about balance if they can't beat mid game crap like 32 fear.

[pliant glacier]

Im surprised they didn't tone down pos special

[broken pier]

The number of people who use penultimate to mean most ultimate is staggering

[analog osprey]

new momus is kinda iffy if the targets are mobile

[sour cape]

Momus made it too easy to beat 32

[tired fulcrum]

Wait is circe goated now

[lean atlas]

Why is bro trying to psychoanalyze me; this is weird

[sour cape]

Hence it was nerfed

[summer seal]

Accurate

[proven orbit]

so we are now in the elitism territory huh

[lean atlas]

back to game I go

[civic ocean]

scanning SDC looking for Do_Od's Momus runs

[tender anvil]

Purely theoretical discussion, but 55 is much much more likely with Aspects not reliant on mana, which can handle blue shields well. Of those Momus was the only one.

[spare kite]

What's the dmg buff numbers?

[sour cape]

And you not caring about the player experience of the majority of the people who support SGG is not a very sustainable take 💀

[bleak night]

120% damage boost to Omegas during Serenity

[distant ocean]

scanning for east's virginity, detected.

[spare kite]

Lmfao??

[tired fulcrum]

+120% to omega damage

[broken pier]

I agree that the game should be balanced around 32 fear as the 'hardest' level of gaming, with anything past that just stacking on top of what's expected

[civic ocean]

lmao

[distant ocean]

[turbid hull]

Dayum, it's actually +120%

[tired fulcrum]

Dang torch attack is fast now

[distant ocean]

So by ya'lls definition beating 32 fear is beating the game?

[sour cape]

The devs intend you to be able to earn the statue. 32 should be a challenge for the average player

[broken pier]

exactly

[spare kite]

Beating the game would be the story for me lmao

[limpid coral]

idk what all this about beating the game is for, what if the devs just want people to have fun playing it

[civic ocean]

32 Fear is hard mode yeah, beating Hades seems more about getting to the end of the story

[sour cape]

Yes, I'd agree past that point, player enjoyability is not really a priority

[distant ocean]

playing the game requires a conclusion, a death, an ending

[turbid hull]

Started... 👀 https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1054902473707507743/1247633837706576023/image.png?ex=6660bd0e&is=665f6b8e&hm=fb1f0fd36d43633dca982807b092b3af6b1a0acce59f2e8c5b4d1223553627b6&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1440&height=312

[limpid coral]

damn rhythm games don't exist, kinda unlucky i guess

[broken pier]

I would say to me, beating the game is unlocking all of the unlockables in the game, which caps currently at 32 fear

[marble sable]

gah dayum

[proven orbit]

Hades 1 had that, and it didn't require you to go even 32 heat

[distant ocean]

the game would keep going forever beyond chronos if it was the case that beating it was not paramount to a fully fledged story.