h2-builds-and-combat

[lament glade]

how do you nerf that though

[steel sequoia]

i play persephone so i really dont have problems with oceanus

[lament glade]

less knives on return maybe??

[uncut owl]

delay on return, less damage on return

[sour cape]

I mean you could remove the backstab dmg for free

[uncut owl]

the way it is now, its just double damage for free. no enemy can dodge that

[sour cape]

Just having it deal dmg twice per throw doesnt need additional backstab dmg too

[lament glade]

true actually

[sour cape]

Dagger has a lotta hammers that are good but could just tuned down a bit

[robust prism]

more like 2.5x damage

[past salmon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1247183634427936830/20240603234143_1.jpg?ex=665f19c5&is=665dc845&hm=3600fd4fcf862c9eb0ed3b08954581c84ef93095db53d05e884a57721f466f6b&
Mel skulls are so much nicer to my health than medea

[broken ingot]

https://imgur.com/a/uVBgDes

https://imgur.com/a/let-rip-8x12CK4

this build is just dumb

[slate pecan]

not exactly double the damage if you have poseidon on special, because waves don't proc on an enemy that has been hit already when they return. Also if you have dancing knives hammer as well (the bounces) the return doesn't do much. But yeah it's a very strong hammer.

[broken ingot]

chant is so strong if you can stack it well

[bleak night]

there's a mod that instantly marks boons removed by Vow of Forsaking when you check the boon list now

kinda wish they'd implement that stuff into the actual game

[sour cape]

Thats a good point!

[sour cape]

There has been lotsa feedback over that so hopefully they will 🙏

[broken ingot]

with how good the game already feels it's sometimes easy to forget it's still in early access

[nova cairn]

so a couple momus related questions, what do we build on it? as in what are the best boons for it typically and are we mostly spamming special or special?

[slate pecan]

just special, poseidon or aphrodite special

[nova cairn]

IK it's broken but i wanna get to having it be broken for me too lmfao

[slate pecan]

poseidon is classic and you can build towards his legendary - king tide, while aphrodite i think can do more damage? as long as you're close range

[past salmon]

momus is just poseidon special spam special
take double moonshot if its offered

[sonic moth]

Where’s a good place to check out mods?

[past salmon]

aphro works but poseidon is better if you want the true sit in a corner and mash special experience that is momus

[nova cairn]

i see i see, ty

[slate pecan]

yea double moonshot is the best, but you can get away with shimmering moonshot (bounces) or even without a hammer

also it's recommended to max the aspect, if you can, as that increases your damage significantly

[nova cairn]

i have a couple maxed and I think I have momus at iv

think i've got thanatos, staff (m), skull (m) and pan maxed rn

am also working on eos tho

[merry flint]

damn white antler is pretty much non existent without prep

[slate pecan]

that's good, you can even use this strat with mel staff, just won't be as good

[tender anvil]

Mel and Circe both to be honest, that’s still an easy 40 Fear

Circe is kinda annoying as it deactivates Huntress, but it’s still workable

[broken ingot]

I would imagine with aphro you'd probably wanna grab island getaway so that all enemies are treated as nearby

[slate pecan]

that would help yes but it's not an absolute necessity as it seems to me that "nearby" has a pretty decent range

[bleak night]

btw @tender anvil You going to start uploading your 40 and 45 runs by any chance ?

[slate pecan]

i would like to see them, too!

[bleak night]

was never really encouraged to do so, but I might start recording after every clear

[past salmon]

It would be nice to see how you play Axe at high fear actually
I like axe but it definitely doesnt click as well for me like Skull and to a lesser extent torches do

[civic ocean]

Pencil meta

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1239231202674606130/1244707733601779712/rn_image_picker_lib_temp_7f137de1-390d-41d3-af13-bba37a480155.jpg?ex=665617e9&is=6654c669&hm=3444686c274587870b531d0caec7de7f7f63a26a70a854f82266a895c328dcd1&
Pencil meta is real

[ionic lily]

I tried pencil-meta, but I always forgot to do it for a few boons and it became useless

[low bear]

just remember it meta

[marsh viper]

Any tips for the skulls? Currently using aspect of Persephone and just feel so sluggish and clunky. Generally use the Axe and was getting a bit bored of it

[low bear]

imo Melinoe is easiest to use with skulls

fire your skulls and use omega special which has massive AoE to pick up the skulls

I like Hera on attack and aphro on special, but Demeter or Zeus are also good for either slots

[past salmon]

Run Medea or Meli
Persephone is pretty much only a click for omega cast builds

Medea is probably the fastest pace weapon in the game its not very safe though.

Mel skulls are both very good and safe.

Hera on attack on either is very good.
Aphro/Apollo and the like also work quite well too

[low bear]

I also like Hera on special applying Hitch on a lot of enemies in one go

[past salmon]

Zeus on special is also really good especially for Medea I should say

[marsh viper]

Ahh both make quite a bit more sense than what I have right now Heph/Poseidon just because I was messing really, but I'll try Mel next run and some of the bits you've suggested

[low bear]

you're invulnerable during your omega special so take advantage of it, it takes some getting used to but just make sure that your special doesn't end right next to enemies where you could get bonked

[low bear]

yeah those are nearly the worst choices for Skull LOL

[past salmon]

Scorch is the only other choice as bad probably lmao

[low frost]

I just got screwed so hard by Vow of Forsaking. Had a lovely zeus cast + born gain build, smashing everything nicely... until I took a zeus boon fountain room in Tarturus. Turns out the only eligible boon was... the duo boon that requires me to sac Born Gain.

And I'm not running the mana regen arcana...

[tall notch]

That's why you pencil meta

[low frost]

Yeah, apparently. 😭

[low bear]

I've just learned not to get greedy with boons when I have forsaking on

[low frost]

Fair enough

[low bear]

Definitely lesson learned, it's happened to me a couple times LOL

[low frost]

I WANTED the Zeus+Apollo one. I wonder why it didn't show up. I should check its prereqs; I might have screwed that up.

[low bear]

Did you have Solar Ring

Altho sometimes

When I have forsaking and I only have 1 choice, when I reroll it gives me money optiom instead

[low frost]

Oh, I see. I read online that you could get it with zeus cast. Apparently not!

Ah well

[low bear]

Check codex I'm not actually sure tbh

[midnight gate]

I just wish pencil meta wasnt nessecary and i could check the book of shadows

[low frost]

Right

[marsh viper]

Solar ring, and then one of Heaven Flourish, Heaven Strike or Thunder sprint I think it is? Usually end up with 2 of the zeus boons before I get it as an option (love pairing it with Charon aspect)

[low frost]

I was running with Thanatos, because the zeus/apollo hits get, and contribute to, the crit chance.

[civic ocean]

You can check the book of shadows to see whatever you want just don't take Vow of Forsaking

[tall notch]

It's a funny meme at least

[civic ocean]

Yeah it's kind of just a meme, we just like...remember it

Or at least I do?

[tall notch]

I genuinely write it down in high fear

[proven orbit]

I try to remember but then I forger

[civic ocean]

I like that it has an impact that way

[proven orbit]

Most of the time it only really matters on the screen you pick the boons from because you try to not ban obviously needed boons

[tall notch]

My 43 fear video has pencil breaks in it

[civic ocean]

To me it's like tracking potion chance and rare chance in StS

Like sometimes you can get a leg up on the game by externally tracking things

[tall notch]

It matters in fields/tart where sometimes taking a boon might ruin your run

So I want to know exactly what is already gone

[civic ocean]

Yeah I feel like all of this is just pretty good optional difficulty mod design that's way better than "enemies do X better" and I'll be sad if the game ends up holding your hand for it with its own UI? But whatever it's not a big deal.

[cursive ruin]

We are still talking about this👀

[tender anvil]

To do that I need to start recording, I’m actually a very casual player, so no prior experience with that. But seeing as there’s demand, I’ll try to go through the learning process

[cursive ruin]

I just tried no arcana run.. it was painful

I cant even get past scylla unless im using one of the more powerful weapons

[proven orbit]

Well, do keep in mind that a fair bit of the difficulty of forsaking comes from the fact you can't just keep stacking the same god's boons

at about 6 you run into a practical cap

[cursive ruin]

Managed to get to chronos with pan and then again with eos.. but he beat me

[civic ocean]

You don't usually get offered the same god more than like 6 times

[proven orbit]

Certainly had that happen to me plenty, although onion will offset that a fair bit once I start running it

[cursive ruin]

Also zeus' legendary can destroy your own minions fyi

At least.. the ones from the night bloom hex.. idk abt sun worshipper

[tall notch]

LMAO
worse than I thought

[dim kestrel]

Interesting to hear this perspective... I've been favoring Persephone skulls, mainly just for the flat +% to omega stuff since that's mostly what I use. Basic pattern for me has been to launch Ω attack (laying down a "setup" status like Hitch or Blitz) then Ω special there (popping Blitz or getting the Hitch damage amplifier, likely running Hitch on this if it's not on the attack) ... dash/sprint out of the way of attacks and repeat. Very mana intensive, but I want Hera on other stuff anyway so can start with her keepsake to try to get Born Gain ASAP. Always nice if this can be supplemented with a thrown cast to keep enemies from moving out of the area before the Ω attack lands. I haven't used Mel skull much b/c I find the normal attack hard to use

[civic ocean]

try Zeus Omega Cast with Persephone, it's quite strong

[steel sequoia]

i swap charon persephone runs hentai

[bleak night]

What lol

[civic ocean]

hentai joycon 👍🏻 mouse

[steel sequoia]

hentai = main caster

[civic ocean]

are you sure that's what it commonly means

[dim kestrel]

yeah, Zeus/Apollo casts are obviously the highest damage ones, and Zeus has the advantage of also offering Lightning Lance, and also being good on the attack

(not that Apollo isn't also good on the attack, but for the specific approach of Ω attack into Ω special, I think Zeus is probably a bit better)

[cursive ruin]

I had the whole minions will deal 900 dmg when they die.. tho i honestly couldnt tell if zeus killing them triggered it

[steel sequoia]

chaos doesnt count for vow of arrogance right? thought it would

just got an epic boon and no dmg

[civic ocean]

chaos no, Artemis and Hermes yes

[dim kestrel]

upgrading a boon with Narcissus keepsake also doesn't seem to count

[civic ocean]

I don't think upgrading rarities affects Arrogance, it's when you take the boon

you can also undo it by pomming the boon, though I think that's unintended

[dim kestrel]

probably true of upgrades in general yeah (such as via Demeter or Hera rarity upgrade boons)

pomming the boon undoes it? that... definitely sounds like a bug

there may also be a bug with Uncommon Grace not activating when you upgrade your only Common after taking it

though I think it checks it again if you pom that one afterwards

[civic ocean]

that one you must be careful because the game has a wide idea of what a common boon is, I have only gotten it to go with the infusion from Hera

[dim kestrel]

wide in what sense?

I would assume it counts god and chaos boons, but not Selene upgrades

[civic ocean]

I'm not entirely sure but like I said I've only gotten it to activate when I had Hera's infusion

as for pomming and arrogance I believe it is connected in some way to Centaur

[dim kestrel]

I'm usually running both the %rare and %epic arcana cards, so it's usually pretty easy to not take any commons

[dim kestrel]

oh, you know, I might have noticed this, where suddenly after picking up a Centaur Heart it tells me Uncommon Grace is active, which was... strange

[steel sequoia]

ill try my first 32 fear lets see

[bleak night]

What're you going with ?

[civic ocean]

Charon I bet

I find Charon currently like soooooo inconsistent so I think I'm going to just go Hera and flowchart from there depending on if I'm offered Sudden Cleaver/Zeus/Apollo/Demeter/Poseidon

[bleak night]

yeah, Charon atm is too reliant on Sudden Cleaver

[tall notch]

Every weapon is playable if you WABS hard enough

[steel sequoia]

so far persephone with heroic solar ring and born gain

[bleak night]

Oh, I see

[civic ocean]

I think bis was saying that the speedcord ppl were talking with him about it and that it makes the most sense to just plan to not get sudden cleaver and go for Local Climate + manual cast and then pivot if you get an early Cleaver

[bleak night]

Oh, that tech is just that good huh lol

[civic ocean]

It's weird because Money Laundering needs Golden Rule to kill big bosses easily, and the dunk builds need Sudden Cleaver to not take a billion damage whilst dunking (or I guess you just get really sick nasty with the dash dunk?) and the Zeus build Bismuth does feels really sketchy defensively since it forgoes Arctic Ring

I wonder if there's a build you can do where you like go Demeter Hera Apollo

And you start with Arctic Ring and then use Family Trade to swap Arctic Ring to a huge Solar Ring in like Fields

[bleak night]

I don't like relying on Family Trade

[civic ocean]

Maybe it's just enough to go Arctic Ring Torrential Downpour

Like maybe that just kills Chronos

And you just rely on the defense from Demeter early on to not die

[steel sequoia]

lmao echo gave me spitefull strenght, such a lovely gurl

died on cerb, maybe ill need to get used to 32 first ill try some momus

this an ok fear settup? https://postimg.cc/DW9dLG1k

[civic ocean]

personally I'd turn off onion and turn on level 2 timer and level 2 scars

also if you're going to play Momus, you should turn on Panic

[timber pawn]

It was just one guy, I think honestly local climate stuff is way to slow for actual speeds

It is definitely kind of sudden cleaver or bust, I think

[civic ocean]

Yeah but it's probably good enough for 7 minute timer winstreaking I feel

[timber pawn]

Ya for that, almost definitely

[civic ocean]

I already have one SDC WR I am satisfied until I accidentally set the 32 rotating wep record

How come nobody is submitting other weapons, is it just not something people care about?

Like I looked at the leaderboard and I'd technically have the Mel Staff and Art Blades records too, but surely someone has these all beat and just hasn't submitted it

[slate pecan]

i'm surprised by how good sworn flourish is

[tired fulcrum]

Only momus exists

[slate pecan]

got an epic one and decided to take it over born gain, then pommed it and I stormed through Erebus like a boss. experimentation ftw!

[brittle imp]

aphro atk on eos is so cute idc if it is not best in slot its best in slot IN MY HEART

[proven orbit]

Wait, if aphro isnt BiS on eos, then what is?

[brittle imp]

i dont know actually

all i know is that it looks the best

[civic ocean]

I think Coldshade likes Hera or Demeter and they're the highest clear on eos atm?

[bleak night]

Yeah, Cold is dedicated to that weapon

[brittle imp]

your lil flame guys are bright pink with golden hearts that match the weapon
i will give up efficiency for theme any day

[bleak night]

probably prefers room clear over raw damage when close by, since I've seen that Cold has little to no issues clearing bosses with less damage by weaving between close distance passion dash reapplication and then darting away

[civic ocean]

pink aura is where its at

[proven orbit]

demeter is kind of the pick for high fears to neuter high fear rooms eh?

[bleak night]

Yeah, it just gives you breathing room

[civic ocean]

the coarse do be grittin

[brittle imp]

yeah cerberus on max speed is bonkers without a freeze for me

[proven orbit]

Yeah, and there are always alternate sources of damage like huntress

[civic ocean]

I feel like I must be unique in that max Cerberus tends not to give me much trouble

[proven orbit]

plus demeter is easy half of origination. Pretty sure even when freeze expires it still counts as a curse?

[civic ocean]

maybe a DD here and there?

[bleak night]

at this point I'd honestly prefer Unseen to just be built into the character with maybe half the regen speed, turn that card into something else

[civic ocean]

Unseen should give like 10

[proven orbit]

I don't think high fear cerberus is a big trouble either

[bleak night]

as it is rn, it's 5 grasp for only early game, so it's kinda offputting

[ashen falcon]

Is this accurate? Can someone confirm pls?

[brazen mauve]

Oh, what is the issue with dodging that people have? I see that complaint but haven't noticed it.

[proven orbit]

cast basically neuters the one of few moves that would be threatening, and another is not an issue when you hug cerb

[civic ocean]

yes, the freeze indicator that makes it so something cannot be frozen counts as a status

[bleak night]

It's true, yeah

[civic ocean]

what do you mean?

[ashen falcon]

Cool, thanks. I wasn't sure.

[civic ocean]

Demeter's Cyclones also count as a status

[brazen mauve]

I've heard it's like delayed or you need the dodge arcana to make it playable.

[civic ocean]

The non-swift-runner dash has a brief startup

[proven orbit]

the cerberus hitboxes are delayed but ironically enough it's more of an issue on no speed because it lingers for too long there

[civic ocean]

yeah for cerb you just gotta get to the buttcrack

[proven orbit]

as it stands on 40% speed I reaction dash into cerberus shockwaves and dodge them

[brazen mauve]

Like the RUN right? Not the part with i frames?

[civic ocean]

no, the part with iframes has a slight startup time

[brazen mauve]

I guess I don't really notice it.

[civic ocean]

it is basically imperceptible unless you were like hardcore hades 1 player

[brazen mauve]

I turned the arcana off since I did not notice a difference.

[tired fulcrum]

It feels like an eternity if you go from h1 to h2

[brazen mauve]

I just have seen it as a complaint about the dodging.

[civic ocean]

I guess it is pretty noticeable on some aspects too like Charon and Mel Torches?

[proven orbit]

I notice the difference in momentum but I never felt like delay in iframes actually hurts me

[tired fulcrum]

The start up still has iframes

[civic ocean]

I definitely feel like slower startup times for Charon is a problem because I am usually full monkaChrist after dunking

[bleak night]

Speaking of which

Since I missed Hades 1's dash so much, I did a Gilgamesh Tidal Dash only run

It was fun

[proven orbit]

the true gilgamesh build

[brazen mauve]

I'm having an easier time in this game than Hades 1.

[proven orbit]

how many dashes you can have total with heroic hermes, 10?

[bleak night]

I only had a rare Hermes, so I had +2

[tired fulcrum]

I miss tidal dash

[bleak night]

But, I had 6 pretty much iirc

[proven orbit]

Ah

[tired fulcrum]

Flat damage soup hits less hard in 2

[ashen falcon]

Does increase to omega cast damage increase scorch damage on Hestia cast, or is scorch damage fixed?

[proven orbit]

Dash boons became more sad but I don't think flat damage did

[brazen mauve]

I don't think it would increase scorch damage would it?

[proven orbit]

I'm not sure if hestia cast even interacts with omega given how it's explicitly on regular cast

[tired fulcrum]

Idk blitz is a lot clunkier than doom and scorch and splash are both the zeus equivalent but scorch is just worse and we got no static discharge

[proven orbit]

poseidon is the new zeus tbh
and scorch feels more applicable than hungover

[brazen mauve]

Somebody saying naughty words, tsk tsk

[civic ocean]

word

[proven orbit]

blitz is an oddball but it feels like it has potential

[ashen falcon]

Yeah, I don't think it would increase with omega cast damage, but I was hoping it would. Theorycrafting and trying to make a scorch build because it feels so underwhelming right now

[brazen mauve]

I like chain lightning and the thing that makes minimum damage 30.

[proven orbit]

slap air quality on it and call it a day

[civic ocean]

I actually don't know the answer to this, I thiiiiiiink what happens is that the damage that the scorch ticks deal goes up?

[tired fulcrum]

Scorch is just slow h1 zeus. It also requires dealing as many hits as possible. With hangover it would work with stuff like zag sword because you only needed to apply 4 stacks

[brazen mauve]

Does the minimum damage one also increase scorch ticks?

[ashen falcon]

I'm gonna test and get back to you guys later if you're interested

[tired fulcrum]

Air quality, yes

[brazen mauve]

Does that fix scorch?

[civic ocean]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNUDxR1v6jI

Here's Air Fryer at 32 (mic is a bit off in the video) but I think this is the best/maybe only non-buggy way to consistently win at 32 with Scorch (currently on a 5 win streak!)

[brazen mauve]

I see air quality, so I guess so.

[civic ocean]

It makes every packet of 40 scorch do about 180 damage

[brazen mauve]

Gottem

[civic ocean]

it's definitely not a speedrun strat, I regularly finish around 26-27 minutes, but it feels suuuuuper safe

[brazen mauve]

That's not bad. I saw a reddit post with someone having 2 hour clears and idk how you do that.

[civic ocean]

#self-promotion message @bleak night you can save this link if ppl ask how to build pink aura

(also it's technically the SDC world record for Flames and Mel Flames at 32 poggies)

[tired fulcrum]

Maybe they had a break to watch a movie

[bleak night]

👀

[bleak night]

what? send link please ?

[civic ocean]

I say technically because Bis absolutely went faster and just didn't submit

[brazen mauve]

Idk how to find it. I can try later.

[bleak night]

no worries

[civic ocean]

I should do like a charity thing where I get into the Chronos fight with Phoenix Skin and a ton of max HP and all the charity donos increase the amount of time I have to spend in the Chronos fight before I can kill him

"Wasting Time"

[timber pawn]

Someone yesterday submitted a 228min chronos clear with Toula doing most of the damage lol

[bleak night]

what? where

[bleak night]

speaking of donos, ChaosTricks has Hades II integration now

[civic ocean]

whats that

[bleak night]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD4rr5aZJog

[civic ocean]

oooh looks cool for fun runs

still not getting many viewers yet but we grind we grind

[analog ether]

FINALLY! Never doing surface at 32 again

[bleak night]

was it that bad

[analog ether]

Been trying for the past two/three weeks to do it.

[civic ocean]

monka I gotta record that fear video

[brazen mauve]

Surface harder than below 😭

Eris more powerful than Chronos

[analog ether]

Surface becomes a major slog about 2 rooms in, when basically everything gets armor, and most things get a dash attack that basically lets them go straight through your cast.

[rich plume]

worst thing in ephyra is having the timer vow and getting a heracles room

[civic ocean]

Heracles stops the timer

[brazen mauve]

Rip

[rich plume]

nah it keeps ticking after the fight, also the encounter is like 3x longer than a normal encounter

[bleak night]

there's actually a way to get it to stop ticking after the fight

[civic ocean]

oh I think you can get around that by opening the boon book right

[mystic bison]

Opening the codex should pause the timer until he disappears most likely, this works in Hades 1 for Thanatos

[bleak night]

If the room is a hammer or a boon, stay in the boon selection screen and wait for him to dip, then select your boon and exit with the timer not being delayed

[rich plume]

hmm, didn't knew that

[civic ocean]

I mean they should just fix how he does a yoga routine after every encounter

[analog ether]

Gods help you if you get a bunch of ranged enemies, because it usually means that for every attack you make (never mind actually LAND), you can easily take 3 or 4 hits yourself.

[civic ocean]

Can't comment too much on surface atm haven't grinded it out as much

[mystic bison]

Heracles taking his sweet time to disappear after a whole fight of being completely useless

I always roll my eyes when I get Heracles

[bleak night]

does he not oneshot anything with red hp ?

[analog ether]

It's VERY easy to run out of room trying to dodge enemies.

[brazen mauve]

He does kinda suck compared to Nemesis

[civic ocean]

I really like Heracles for the most part, kiting stuff to him and then casting them there and dipping out

[karmic gust]

is there any benefit to "beating" heracles

[mystic bison]

I just find he is too slow and useless, at least you can sit back and count on Artemis or Icarus to kill stuff for you

[civic ocean]

nah you're not even competing, you just get more gold ig

[karmic gust]

oh yeah compared to art or icarus hes bad, but much better than nem (actually kills things!! nem in the fields is so sad lol)

[mystic bison]

I hate Nem in the fields ngl, those spawns are bs

[analog ether]

And the number of vows you have to take means that when (not if, WHEN) you get hit, it's usually big chunks of your health bar.

[karmic gust]

maybe they will make her have boons at some point, could be cool

by boons i mean the gods help her too

[karmic gust]

oh wtf, i thought he took ur gold if you lost

[analog ether]

I honestly gave up and switched on God Mode for the first time. And still didn't pull a victory until I was 40% resist.

[brazen mauve]

What is god mode?

[mystic bison]

For every death you get dmg resist, it's an option you can enable in the game

[brazen mauve]

Oh I see. Never saw it.

[karmic gust]

are you talking about the surface? or just in general

[low frost]

Does anyone know why the final testament is sometimes fear 20, and sometimes fear 24?

[sour cape]

Beats me

[karmic gust]

it just lets you play the game for the story basically

[analog ether]

Surface. Just for trying to complete a 32 fear run.

[mystic bison]

Torches and Blades are 24 fear for some reason, no one knows why

[low frost]

Gotcha

[brazen mauve]

Ah torches, the most OP weapon

[low frost]

TBH, I think they're the second-best weapon right now.

[mystic bison]

Torches enjoyers all coalesce in this channel, nice to see

[civic ocean]

yeah after the skulls obvc

[low frost]

For me, at least. So easy to get crazy damage

[robust prism]

I would guess it has to do with the fact that there is at least one more boss getting added

[wild pine]

On Vow of Forsaking runs I definitely appreciate not feeling pressured to take a Gain. It's pretty common for me to lock myself out of all of them. I do appreciate the option to get by on just Unseen + Silver Wheel for Tartarus.

[civic ocean]

Weapon tierlist

[wild pine]

Chaos mana regen also feels like it only makes sense because of Unseen tbh

[mystic bison]

AQ Scorch Persephone S tier of course

[civic ocean]

If you are sicknasty with it:

Skulls
Flames
Axe
Mel staff
Mel daggers
Circe

Borderline
Art daggers

If you're a no good basic meta spammer

Momus
Pan

[sour cape]

Chaos mana regen is basically gambling

[brazen mauve]

Jason Mamoa staff>pan flute knives>other things

[bleak night]

Jason Momoa Staff lmao

[civic ocean]

HAHA YES

[bleak night]

ah, that's fair enough.

[mystic bison]

https://tenor.com/view/got-khaldrogo-dotraki-game-of-thrones-gif-5646134

[wild pine]

Right. Without unseen you can't count on chaos mana, so you must take another Gain, so you largely don't even care about chaos mana. With unseen you can get by with no Gain, so you can be happy when you see Chaos mana, but not screwed if you don't.

[sour cape]

True, I so try to be more aggressive rerolling for Chaos mana if I see them early

[mystic bison]

Chaos gain is a nice supplement to your regular gain boon if not running Born Gain

[sour cape]

But later on once ypu already have a gain its kinda 😔

[mystic bison]

I usually prefer mana reduction from Chaos but regen is also good

[sour cape]

Arachne too often can get you through Erebus

[mystic bison]

The less time you spend regenerating the better

[sour cape]

If you dont have a gain yet

[civic ocean]

You can also get by with no gain and no Unseen like super easily I feel, at least until Fields

[sour cape]

Not particularily comfortably on Axe

But weapon dependent ofc

[merry flint]

just pick builds that don't need mana and you'll never need gain

thanks game very cool for making ignoring system mechanics optimal

[civic ocean]

Why not on axe

[bleak night]

what's on Axe ?

[civic ocean]

Axe apparently very bad with no gain

[sour cape]

You often get like 2 omega specials per room if thats what you investing in

then it becomes much slower to chop through enemies

[civic ocean]

you regularly have 50 mana per room? what

[blazing pelican]

I don't think that's fair, a lot of speedrunners seem to use omega attacks very frequently

[sour cape]

Yea after priming not out of the ordinary

[wild pine]

Oh yeah, I wouldn't say Unseen is ever mandatory but I think it is a reasonable comfort pick or accelerator for a number of builds.

or just makes the game more fun

These days I am usually running it on Pan or Charon runs

[civic ocean]

I think a rate of .8 mana regen per grasp is what I would call a decelerator, not an accelerator

[sour cape]

Pan Im fine with just using the normal special but Axe normal special is just unusable as main dmg source

and then you either need an attack boon or clear times get really slow

[civic ocean]

If you can't clear the room in 2 omega specials do it in 3-4 spins

[sour cape]

Unbooned axe spins dont do a whole lot.m.

[civic ocean]

what

[steel sequoia]

its hard to aggro ocean mobs running away

[sour cape]

yea and like Hippos lol

[civic ocean]

an unbooned 14 mana axe spin does like 200 aoe damage

[merry flint]

hippos suck!

[sour cape]

You ever get those 2 shield armored fish swarms?

[civic ocean]

no because why in the name of god would I play shields on axe

[merry flint]

honestly how many projectiles were homing in h1?

[bleak night]

true lol

[sour cape]

Just giving an example of a situation where its very difficult to clear

[silent crow]

like one

[sour cape]

Since you seem to lack imagination here

[merry flint]

feels like there's more homing here

[silent crow]

h1 projectiles didnt really exist for the most part bc you could just hit them

[bleak night]

I wonder why they did away with that

[sour cape]

And just trying to be difficult and argue every point 💀

[bleak night]

It makes playing melee a lot worse

[merry flint]

h1 projectiles didnt really exist for the most part bc you could just hit them divine dash

[civic ocean]

this still seems like it just goes down to a 16 mana unbooned axe spin?

Like I do fish swarms with the axe spin all the time

[bleak night]

I only really use Divine Dash now when I have Divine Attack/Special and Merciful End

since it's always easier to just pop Doom with dash than the actual Divine Attack/Special, but since you need them for it

[sour cape]

Whatever, just sharing my experience of trying to clear with no mana boon, maybe you can clear fine but I agree with Orion

[steel sequoia]

the worst situation is that oceanus room with armored sharks and hippos, its so annoying to clear and you still gotta find that snail that keeps appearing in sides of the map

[sour cape]

It is good value selling the special after getting Merciful end!

[sour cape]

Yea the hermit crabs that always hide in their shells 💀💀

[spare kite]

Drakons/gorgons

And one benefit package gave witches homing too

[tired fulcrum]

Seeker witches

[civic ocean]

Also the hades skulls were homing no? And there was one form of Lernie?

[bleak night]

put Aphro on there for the Aphro-Ares duo and it'd be class

[spare kite]

CoL does nothing but at least it can be 400 gold

[plain fossil]

Theres no way to force crab out of shell right

U just have to not attack and wait for it to do something

[civic ocean]

something, I'm not sure what it is, damages crab through shell. Is it Hitch?

[spare kite]

Wall slams still work

[plain fossil]

Poseidon overlords

[steel sequoia]

it takes minimal damage if you can trap it and spam enough you kill it anyways, but its annoying

[bleak night]

would be funny if Scorch does

have it cook in its shell, and if the scorch kills it, it drops food

[steel sequoia]

i hate hippos more they run everywhere at 40%

[civic ocean]

"Cooked Fish"

[sour cape]

Its like impossible to hit hippos 😂

[plain fossil]

The scorch buff we didnt know we needed

[bleak night]

crabmeat gyro

[plain fossil]

Non yellow hippos are ok they dont do anything and kinda squashy

Yellow hippos are 💀

[bleak night]

armoured hippos are cancer, yeah

[sour cape]

And Serpents

they always duck away and spam

[regal swan]

Hey, just wanted to ask something real quick; Aspect of Persephone - is it ever useful? I haven't played much with it, but it seems to me like it takes too long to charge the Glory, not to mention that you cannot use your omega special if you want to fully charge it.

[merry flint]

Well you can abuse the Omega buff stat to boost casts

[sour cape]

the room with tons of Serpents is a nightmare 💀

[tired fulcrum]

especially on medea

[sour cape]

Oceanus honestly got the most annoying rooms

maybe Tartarus but build is better. y then

Fields is so large you can kite them forever

Oceanus you just trapped in room with all the Serpents and crabs

[dim kestrel]

I don't really use the charged special much, but I still like Persephone for the Omega buff since with skull most of what I'm doing is omega of one sort or another anyway

[tired fulcrum]

Until i kite myself into 2 armored bloatbags

[merry flint]

atleast Omega Attack exists for artillery

[tired fulcrum]

[merry flint]

but damn you need mana regen to reasonably combat that

[sour cape]

Yea their suck attack feels like its got way too big of a range

[merry flint]

dunno which one is more annoying tbh

Chronos Vacuum or Bloatbag vacuum

[regal swan]

Maybe just a way different playstyle for me then. I usually spam attack point-blank with Aspect of Melinoe

[merry flint]

Chronos Vacuum feels like quicksand even when its not visibly close to you but Bloatbag vacuum magnets you once its locked on

[civic ocean]

chronos vacuum is a free like 15% damage on chronos so not that one

[tired fulcrum]

Chronos you just dash through him and hes the only thing you care about so

Only problem is his vacuum bugs out half the time when you phase him during it and then you just take unavoidable damage

[civic ocean]

yeah when he 360 booms me it sucks

[rustic valve]

Late in tye run I'm using it all the time, but I agree that the first half I'm basically forfeiting my omega special. You should be able to cancel it.

[merry flint]

don't dash through vacuum then

[tired fulcrum]

I prefer doing damage to chronos

[plain fossil]

Daily reminder that heavy metal boon beats all form of succ

[steel sequoia]

this is the best window to smash him

[plain fossil]

If thats a thing u care about

[tired fulcrum]

Dashing through him is free damage when he doesnt bug out

[civic ocean]

two ways to play:

forego glory and just use the 30% increased damage on omega special

or

use the 30% for omega attack and casts and then use the full glory special for 5 sec invuln on bosses

or tough rooms

[tired fulcrum]

And it doesnt matter if you dash through him or not when he bugs out during phase change because you just get sucked into him and you cant control mel when hes transitioning to phase 2

[sour cape]

Fun time bugs

[civic ocean]

yeha you kinda have to just let him finish and then phase him

[regal swan]

[Replying to @civic ocean and @rustic valve]
Being pretty much unable to utilize the main trait of the aspect for half the run makes me think it's useless, especially compared to pretty much any other aspect. It would be way better if the required DMG for the gauge would be adjusted for at least the first two regions so that you wouldn't have to be limited.

[sour cape]

You do get 30% omega dmg for the aspect which is decent

[civic ocean]

I think the easiest way to think of it is that it's not really centered around the special itself

[plain fossil]

I mean the current best weapon in the game doesnt use the main trait of the aspect and just abuses the passive so im not sure useless is the correct word here

[sour cape]

I guess the diff is Persephone kind of encourages you to not use the Omega special

[regal swan]

Which one is that?

[sour cape]

While Momus is just an added bonus for using its Omega special

[wild pine]

You can do that? I thought that in Hades 1 boons deactivated if you sold their pre-requisites.

[sour cape]

No, you keep duo, last time I played

[regal swan]

I see it more or less the same. But you also have to get some omega special boons which would just get wasted for half the run again

[wild pine]

Neat

[civic ocean]

Persephone encourages you to use the omega special a lot

[tired fulcrum]

They didnt

[civic ocean]

It gives it 30% more damage, you just have to be judicious

And figure out a playstyle for it that works for you

[sour cape]

The Glory effect is good so cant give out its full charged effect too often

But like the weapon is fine if you just use it as an Omega boosting stat stick

[haughty depot]

Aspect of Momus Staff, which can support a game breaking build without even using mana

[sour cape]

Which isnt very interesting but still good 😔

[regal swan]

Hmm, it would seem that it's just more nuanced than other aspects then

[wild pine]

Persephone aspect is fine it's just weird because it changes function over the course of a run in a way nothing else currently really does. In Erebus and Oceanus the Glory part mostly doesn't matter because it's too hard to charge and you probably want to be using the omega special routinely to clear rooms. But the +30% omega damage is huge value that makes life much easier before you've filled out your boons.

In Mourning and Tartarus your build should be online enough that you no longer really notice the +30% passive damage. But now tossing out a handful of attacks and maybe an Omega cast should deal enough damage to give you a noticeable amount of glory.

[haughty depot]

Yeah I think glory special is good enough + fun but it's weird in that you gotta blow partial charges sometimes

[civic ocean]

Guarantee you that you will always notice a Moon Storm Ring dealing 30% more damage

[haughty depot]

I use the full charged glory maybe twice per region

[sour cape]

More like 16% more after you get Origination and Furies

[civic ocean]

how did you possibly arrive at that math go ahead

[haughty depot]

Glory bar feels a lot like Calls from h1 actually

[sour cape]

0.3/1.8

[regal swan]

Out of curiosity, which aspect do people use the most/consider the best for Ygnium?

[sour cape]

16% more

[bleak night]

for memes or for high fear ?

[civic ocean]

Like nevermind the fact that it takes actually forever to get origination up if you're taking storm ring

[regal swan]

Fear

[civic ocean]

It's also 30% additive, which is very, very good on casts since it takes forever to hit diminishing returns

[bleak night]

Eos prob

[plain fossil]

The math is correct so i dont think the attitude is warranted

[haughty depot]

Eos feels like the only twinflame aspect that encourages a tolerable playstyle

[tired fulcrum]

Technically it rounds to 17%

[plain fossil]

Ok u got me

[sour cape]

💀

[regal swan]

Thanks for your time guys. Death to Chronos.

[sour cape]

I don't know is it? You want Blitz and then just one more curse, same as anything else. Presumably you also doing Scorch since you love that

[civic ocean]

I mean you're also burying the lede there which is "once you get Origination and Furies" as if A) Origination is even worth taking on Persephone and B) Origination is easily triggered and maintained on any build with storm Ring

[wild pine]

There's also chaos chasm, chaos chant, knuckle bones, downpour, Tall Order, lion fang, lightning lance, hex passives, etc. I feel like I'm routinely going to be at >200% cast damage before persephone on a storm ring run

[plain fossil]

Thats not wrong but its also not the premise of the comment

[civic ocean]

If you want to plan on hitting chaos boons, demeter apollo duos, 2 of each element infusions, like be my guest

[sour cape]

Yea its also shifting the goal posts to "maybe you don't want Origination"

[wild pine]

Witch's Mark, atlas Braid

[civic ocean]

okay sorry your math was only slightly wrong

[sour cape]

And theres Blackened Fleece

[wild pine]

I plan on hitting about 2 of those 6 or 7 things so that between them and furies I have +100%, yes

Perfect Image, Sweet Surrender

[civic ocean]

You plan on hitting 2 of them? Which 2?

[wild pine]

Any 2

[civic ocean]

Why are you stopping at 100%?

[wild pine]

I'm not, hence the > sign

[civic ocean]

So if I understand this correctly

You're not going to notice the 30% from Persephone because you are going to go out of your way to water down its impact on your build instead of using the boons to deal with other issues the build has?

[sour cape]

Thats not at all what he's saying

[tall notch]

Yes

[sour cape]

Its good but not quite 30% more dmg good since there are other cast dmg options out there who you prob want to take anyways.

Im still not convinced you don't want Origination, specially if you are going Scorch too

[civic ocean]

origination doesn't affect AQ scorch or really scorch that much

[wild pine]

I'm just saying that in practice a late-game cast build should be scrounging up at least +100% omega cast damage from some combination of god boons, keepsakes, arcana, hex passives, and charon's well items, such that the +30% from Persephone is really only increasing my cast-damage-output by like a relative 15% and my total damage output by <10%, considering that I probably have some non-cast damage in the mix. I consider that negligible in the sense that I would expect to be able to switch to another aspect, forgoing that 30%, without noticeably denting my win rate or max viable fear.

[civic ocean]

and you don't need to go heavy into omega cast damage if you're going that way anyway

[sour cape]

Yea but it affects the 50+ dmg bolts on Storm Ring

[civic ocean]

I am telling you that in practice, as in during my current, ongoing, 5 run winstreak at 32 fear with Persephone, that a major, decisive impact in the runs has been starting my run with 30% more damage on a Moon Storm Ring.

Or whatever "correct math" that is with furies

[wild pine]

Oh, you're right, I misspoke. I absolutely do believe that starting your run with +30% omega damage makes clearing erebus on high fear substantially more practical.

[sour cape]

The 30% is more relevant early on yea

[wild pine]

I'm just saying that if that +30% damage bonus turned off when you entered mounring fields I think that would rarely sink your run

[sour cape]

But I dont see how this is against Orions original statement that the 30% is a bigger factor early on while the Omega specials more impactful later

[civic ocean]

It's always relevant, because the point is that you do not need to invest into Cast damage any further than that, really? You can choose to play against your own aspect that way, but it's much more practical to shore up your run.

[elfin trellis]

what god would you be looking for to put on the skulls?

[sour cape]

I mean I dont see why you wouldnt take Origination, presumably you also are doing weapon dmg and Blitz damage

[civic ocean]

Because you don't really need more damage especially if you go air fryer

[wild pine]

I think East may be an Artificer-taker (correct me if I'm misremembering), and that makes grasp very tight

[sour cape]

What about the case if you don't get AQ?

[civic ocean]

I think I have orig because it's better than 27 grasp atm

[civic ocean]

You just win anyways, Furies

[tired fulcrum]

Then its a zeus cast run lol

[civic ocean]

I literally did this yes

[sour cape]

Yea and then Origination comes in great value

Since you'll have Scorch and Blitz all the time

[civic ocean]

Eh, not really? All you need is Lance, Moon, and maybe Furies

[wild pine]

Also, I don't play ultra high fear (my highest clears are 24 pan and momus, 20 everything else), but I can imagine that at 32 it might be a lot less relevant.

[sour cape]

At 32 fear i think the damage boosts from Arcana and starting do become more relevant since fewer boons you can afford to take

[wild pine]

From what I hear, surviving the first two biomes without running out of time is considered the biggest challenge by many people who do play on that difficulty, and getting Origination online early enough to matter might conflict with a lot of other priorities.

[tall notch]

I love origination
Getting it working feels rewarding

[wild pine]

I can definitely see a case that if your first god/starting boon doesn't give a curse it's just too slow

[sour cape]

Its not that difficult to get Origination working

Demeter can do it on 1 god in fact

[wild pine]

(If you're running onions, for instance)

[civic ocean]

off the top of your head what is the fastest floor you, on average, get origination active on a storm ring start

[sour cape]

Floor as in room?

[civic ocean]

yes

[sour cape]

Midshop

[civic ocean]

midshop is usually floor 7 or 8?

[dim kestrel]

Does the Moon card interact with Storm Ring? Like, do the ticks count as detonations? I never considered that possibility

[sour cape]

Yea

[dim kestrel]

wow, that's... strong

[civic ocean]

so by floor 8 you, on average, have 3+ god boons with 2+ curses?

[spare kite]

Only the initial explosion gets the +100

[civic ocean]

the moon does not increase the power of storm ring

Both get more damage from Persephone, though

[plain fossil]

Depends pretty heavily what u delete when u click storm ring right

[civic ocean]

I just don't think that's realistic, there's like no way

[astral quail]

Hi everyone, could someone indicate me some speedruners? Like, twitch and youtube handles, people that are very executionist. If it's against the rules here, I would appreciate it in my DMs

[sour cape]

Sure Storm Ring - most attacks/specials - a lot of sprints or Demeter Cyclone

[dim kestrel]

ah ok, that's what I thought. Misread who Arya was responding to I think

[plain fossil]

Midshop is possible but i would suggest closer to end of a1 is what i would consider realistic average

[sour cape]

You said fastest so I said midshop

[civic ocean]

I said on average

[plain fossil]

I dont really consider blitz to be that reliable for origination

[tired fulcrum]

#self-promotion message join speedcord and go to the self promo channel

[still nymph]

What does Natural Selection do? I don't really understand what it's getting at.

[sour cape]

On average maybe Act 2 first boon?

[plain fossil]

Certainly not on persephone u need to be on top of them spamming special which isnt really what zeus cast start wants to do

[sour cape]

You can still lob skulls for blitz

[spare kite]

You won't see coins/hp/mp offered as door rewards and you get +20% to rare boons or better

[dim kestrel]

what's your second status then that you're getting on them before Blitz detonates?

[wild pine]

Won't Storm Ring tend to pop blitz with mini-bolts so it missed the big boom?

[civic ocean]

like...YES

[sour cape]

Idk, a lotta sprints work, Demeter cyclone

[plain fossil]

Blitz gets cleared every half a second with storm ring up btw

[civic ocean]

This seems very apparently to be not something that is actually being done here!

[plain fossil]

Like u need to be SPAMMING

[bleak night]

Is there a cooldown to the reapplication of Blitz once it gets popped ?

[civic ocean]

YES

[bleak night]

Oh, huh.

[plain fossil]

Yes but im not sure how long, its like 0.25 or 0.5 seconds

[civic ocean]

It's short tho

[wild pine]

is it a cooldown on re-app or re-trigger?

[plain fossil]

Its not reliable was my initial point

[wild pine]

I thought it was on re-trigger

just from casual observation

[tired fulcrum]

It takes a bit of time for blitz to deal damage after its triggered and you cant reapply during that time

[plain fossil]

Reapplication cooldown it has a downtime

[civic ocean]

origination does stay up while the bolt is going off tho

[sour cape]

You still boosting the dmg of the hit that triggers the blitz

[wild pine]

Oh, I see. Yes, I've noticed this. But as soon as the damage is dealt we can re-apply?

[plain fossil]

U get origination on the bolt but not the larger blitz proc

[civic ocean]

so like 1/10th of Storm Ring's damage, sure

[plain fossil]

Hence what i said u have to be SPAMMING

[tired fulcrum]

A tiny bit after, theres a small period of time where the damage number is up but you cant reapply yet

[wild pine]

sad

[civic ocean]

The point is that if you want to actually meaningfully boost the damage of Storm Ring with origination you need 2 statuses that AREN'T Blitz

[plain fossil]

Im not a fan of blitz for origination anyway like i literally wont click the arcana if i know i cant get 3 curses

[civic ocean]

I guess I could run huntress instead of origination actually to make erebus easier?

the skull pops dealing 75 instead of 50 kinda dope

[plain fossil]

Huntress is rly strong in erebus it just doesnt do anything after

[sour cape]

Yea

[civic ocean]

Yeah I think for AQ thats fine

[plain fossil]

On these setups anyway

[civic ocean]

I don't like huntress on axe or mel flames because I think the omegas are where all the damage is

[plain fossil]

I dont like playing the game without huntress in general ngl

It makes a1 suck

[tall notch]

On Eos huntress feels useless

[civic ocean]

yeah if ur using omega a lot

[sour cape]

I use Huntress instead of Moon it not cast build

[plain fossil]

Eos is a rush born gain spec thats decent early so i can see that

[tall notch]

You do use normal attack before omega charges but its base damage just isn't much

[civic ocean]

is it 15

[bleak night]

When do you play again, Cold

[tall notch]

I think so

[plain fossil]

I even run huntress on pan because pan's a1 is 💀

Its 15/50

[sour cape]

Huntress Pan yea, daggers arr 25, not bad

[bleak night]

question about Pan

when you charge it up, but not all the way, is it still considered an Omega ?

[civic ocean]

notably I'm pretty sure huntress on the daggers means the dash attack oneshots witches in hecate

[tall notch]

My flight back is on June 16th but it's kinda late so maybe the day after

[plain fossil]

Yes, the same way as spin is still omega if u end early

[bleak night]

Ah, alright

[bleak night]

that's one way to compare it, yeah. Makes sense.

[civic ocean]

aight im free 2 hours until I try to kill chronos some more

[dim kestrel]

I think it becomes a psi :-)

[civic ocean]

PK DAGGER

[bleak night]

lol

[still nymph]

Oh, that makes sense

[civic ocean]

has someone tested this with artificer? could be interesting

[dim kestrel]

I have not gotten a feel for Eos, specifically, consistently getting the kitestring to go through enemies. I guess is the idea that you dash through them all the time, or do you just try to get a muscle memory feel for its movement pattern?

[tall notch]

The easiest way to get your hits is to dash AWAY from the enemy. Once you get more used to the aspect you can try to use your muscle memory

[white steppe]

if you dash through enemies with eos what happens is the attacks come back to you and since you're now behind them you dont hit them

[tall notch]

If things get too hectic in a room, focus on avoiding damage over trying to min-max your ghosts

[dim kestrel]

oh, yeah, I was thinking you might, like, fire away from them initially and then dash through, but that's a bit silly now that I think about it

[tall notch]

I got some Eos gameplay on my YouTube if you wanna take a look

[dim kestrel]

yeah, so just fire at/through them then dash back... just feels pretty hard to line up without doing a lot of standing still

[dim kestrel]

I'd be interested to check it out... link?

[tall notch]

https://youtube.com/@coldshade8186?si=r8_0wfZaNpqtNbMf

[dim kestrel]

ah, thanks, I had found one that just had a bunch of Resident Evil videos and figured it must be a different Coldshade

[tall notch]

A different one indeed!

[tall notch]

In a lot of situations you can afford to stand still or kite in a straight line. Casts can be useful for grouping

[lean atlas]

does anyone know if there's a way to turn off The Centaur while meeting its requirements?

[merry flint]

don't buy centaur, hope this helps

[lean atlas]

Understandable, time to start over

[bleak night]

There's a save file with everything unlocked but that already,

[glad breach]

What'cha all like for Eos attack boon?

[bleak night]

@tall notch

[tall notch]

I like Hera a lot

Good scaling, a debuff, hitch is useful for aoe

And you already want her in your god pool

[glad breach]

I assume for her mana recovery

Been using Hera myself for it, but also just kinda hit a wall at 35 fear. Definitely need a little skill up, probably mess with my arcana and maybe fear settings a bit

[tall notch]

Have you looked into antler?

[dim kestrel]

mm, interesting... just watched your video of the Chronos fight... seems like even you are pretty often dashing off to the side in a way that results in the orbs returning to you without hitting him. But I imagine that happens less against less threatening enemies

[tall notch]

Yeah, safety > damage if I have the time so I won't hit every ghost twice

[glad breach]

I've seen it recommended so much, but am also being quite adverse/nervous to sitting on no healing/intentionally hovering at 20 health.

[tall notch]

Armor is your best friend!

[glad breach]

Though, yeah, it would melt things

Guessing strat would be hera keepsake -> stock up on armor -> switch to antler after Erebus -> wreck everything via mass critting

[tall notch]

Either that or start antler and try lucking out. Try getting Heph and Dem in your god pool for defense, not allowing any other gods in with your zone rerolls

[glad breach]

Zone rerolls would require reconfiguring my arcana, so sounds like I need to play around with that a bit too

[tall notch]

I'm addicted to 10 rerolls

Try it

[lean atlas]

okay, I just returned the Centaur. Thanks for the help

[bleak night]

are you doing Antler runs ?

[lean atlas]

yuh

[bleak night]

Ah

[brazen mauve]

I just had a broken run with the Mamoa staff. I got like, every buff for the special possible and it just shredded everyone.

I'm not even good, it was just funny.

[steel sequoia]

it is right? feelsgood

[sour cape]

When you're fast pewpew deals as much dmg as an axe swing 💀

[brazen mauve]

Mine was doing like double that.

[sour cape]

They got the same base dmg

of 40 💀

[elfin trellis]

I'm about to be at my 2nd Chronos encounter oif all time (died the first time) and I just found Hades. He's offering me Old Grudge (Chronos reduces life 20%), Deep Dissent (50% fewer reinforcements), and Last Gasp (10% damage per Death Defiance used). Any advice on what I should pick?

[brazen mauve]

Yeah, and I got the splashy Boon as my first and it doubled my damage basically

[merry flint]

Dissent

[tired fulcrum]

Minus reinforcements is the best

[spare kite]

Reforcements my beloved

[merry flint]

its the best for 90% of scenarios, the other 10% you have a cracked cast build that benefits from Howling Soul

[elfin trellis]

thanks yall

died after getting chronos down to like 40% 😦

[bleak night]

You'll get him next time. What did you take damage from the most ?

[elfin trellis]

I feel like I was able to read his attacks a little better and dodge them

[bleak night]

this was in phase 1 or 2 ?

[elfin trellis]

I messed up by doing a fated mini boss on the way down and losing an extra death defiance that I probably didnt need

I'm going to assume phase 1?

[bleak night]

Oh, the trick to phase 1 is to try to stay behind him at most times

[elfin trellis]

He does the same thing [redacted] does in Hades 1?

[bleak night]

Kinda, his phase 2 is kinda easier in the sense that Chronos is squishier and less powerful, but he summons more minions and turns the stage into a hazard most of the time, so it's more of a dodging game than looking at Chronos himself

as for phase 1 next time, yeah. Try to stay behind him, but still pay attention to his movements. If he starts to do a swing animation, dodge away. If he starts to rush, dodge to the side as he goes

and of course, if he starts making a timefield or he's shielding himself, don't be in melee range

[glad breach]

Hey, let's try @tall notch 's strat, get heph and dem as my next boons first run

[tall notch]

EOS GAMING.

[weak cosmos]

Eos torches are fire

[merry flint]

got to Eris in trial again

my head is aching from how much i had to lock in against Charybdis

[tall notch]

Just luck out and don't get Charybdis

[merry flint]

no luck all skill

[tall notch]

Skillfully don't see Charybdis

[steel sequoia]

i feel if you kill the boat driver fast enough you dodge him more times

[merry flint]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/181303403366842368/1247306094913785997/image.png?ex=665f8bd2&is=665e3a52&hm=03458e398d99b2fc7b0772cd836c2754fc10bc7a1a43640e73f4a076b6ae10f9&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=742&height=417

just gap Charybdis bro trust

[tall notch]

U did it!!!!

[plain fossil]

Gz

I should really go back and do those hey

[bleak night]

I hate how the trials count as losses in the run history

[glad breach]

Oof, Cerberus ended roughly, but still going

[merry flint]

Aspect of Eos now most used weapon aspect with bottom tier clears

[plain fossil]

That doesnt shock me considering momus and pan are unexciting without nightmare and eos is still good

Although its not a straightforward weapon so i guess its a little surprising

[merry flint]

no i mean like Eos has a Use/Clear ratio of 13:2

[sour cape]

My Eos rate is prob terrible

[steel sequoia]

the more losses i get is better, ive tried so many dumb builds

[sour cape]

if it counts the trial

[plain fossil]

Oh i see

[weak cosmos]

now try this build with born gain instead of doodoo mana spell (it is good)

[sour cape]

Same for Mel staff

[plain fossil]

Does it count the trial?

[sour cape]

Idk, I havent checked

[merry flint]

The mana regen isn't even the full list of problems with the build

[sour cape]

Everything is wrong with this setup, like playing with Vow of Abandon 😂

[merry flint]

only saving grace of the trial is that the starting build includes the Legendary prereqs which disables 1 Charybdis tentacle for you

[weak cosmos]

no, with good mana regen you can just hold down attack button and only focus on dodging/aiming. Damage isnt even bad with aphro attack and very easy to use

[merry flint]

Aphro attack
look inside
Ranged weapon

[weak cosmos]

no, stay close to enemies

[merry flint]

if i wanted to play a melee torch I'd pick Moros

[steel sequoia]

mel is mixed imo, u eventually need to run into something

[lean atlas]

I don't really use attacks on Mel torch

Just kinda spam the omega special

[sinful radish]

just had echo stone take queen's ransom and brick my blitz build on the final chamber of tartarus 🤦‍♀️

lesson learned: don't take echo stone if you have zeus and hera lmao

was a medea build using special blitz too 😭

[uneven palm]

Maybe it got you the prophecy tho? (I Vow of Forsaking’d myself into a similar disaster)

[sinful radish]

it's not possible to get the same boon twice is it? like after losing my zeus special there's no way he'd offer it again id imagine?

[sinful radish]

unfortunately i went and hunted down my last remaining duo boons the other day so i could try all of em

i know you can do both king's ransom and queen's ransom in a single run which is a riot

[regal talon]

whats the greatest build atm and why is it momus

[sinful radish]

OH WAIT IT TOOK MY COARSE GRIT TOO

that's so funny fkjghfkjhg

[tired fulcrum]

[sinful radish]

thisisfine.png

[plain fossil]

Ok but how big was ur crappy hera support boons

[sinful radish]

wait jk i mixed up my duos i kept my hera ones and lost my zeus ones

[tired fulcrum]

Aint queens ransom the one that eats zeus boons yeah

[plain fossil]

If it makes u feel better i messed up my last run and died at chronos because i thought i still had lightning lance available and didnt and so deleted my attack boon for blitz

I should try kings ransom blitz at some point, blitz scales pretty well with poms

[steel sequoia]

i always get screwed when playing kings ransom, never getting it again

[brittle imp]

ransom duo bad sorry devs

[proven orbit]

It can't possibly be bad because it's the most hilarious duo boon in both games

[brittle imp]

it is incredibly funny

[sinful radish]

best duo for how funny it is

"my wife took my boons in the divorce :("

[brittle imp]

hera and zeus have the biggest “need to get divorced” energy known to mankind

[proven orbit]

Also the world isn't ready for deliberately building towards lvl 20 flourish

[brittle imp]

(that being said noooo your boons work so well dont take them away 😭)
oh christ now that you mention that

i gotta try that

[proven orbit]

Actually it levels up all boons so you could get multiple things to cosmos

[sinful radish]

cosmos?

[proven orbit]

Though only hera really makes sense on both attack and special

[proven orbit]

To the moon, if you will. Figuratively

[brittle imp]

hilarious meme build potential
will never pick it on a normal run like duos from the first game tho 😔

[sinful radish]

datamining sheet says it's like 10% per level after the first couple? level 20 would get you around 300%?

[proven orbit]

Pomming is diminishing constantly so its probably weaker than that

[lavish hatch]

I have a potentially dumb question, does Spiteful Strength buff your attack/special if you have Hephaestus while it's on cooldown?

[civic ocean]

aight time to beat up grandpa some more

[steel sequoia]

no

[lavish hatch]

Cool, maybe it was a bit optimistic

[plain fossil]

Its not supposed to, but hey early access game weird bugs etc u can test it if u like and if it works abuse till fixed

[civic ocean]

nope sadly

[lavish hatch]

I could see the idea of it "not being buffed" while on CD, given it is also the Heph duo boon

[proven orbit]

That would have been a really neat interaction to make heph attack viable. Although, it would be rather unintuitive because you still have the boon at all times

[plain fossil]

I dont think any of us have specifically tested it and theres definitely wackier things than that in game rn

Early access f10 etc

[lavish hatch]

It would be really cool, I like Spiteful a lot but it can be really awkward timing sometimes

Especially because there is no way to sell/get rid of boons now

[proven orbit]

Well, there are at least two ways, both quite impractical:
Picking up hestia and hoping for burnt offering to target your attack
Or making the attack zeus/hera and then "fishing" for ransom duo

[plain fossil]

Burnt offering makes me sad

[proven orbit]

I want more boons like burnt offering ngl

[plain fossil]

Burnt offering is kinda undertuned unless it hits a really filler boon

[proven orbit]

That's its main purpose like 70% of the time I'd say

You get to both filter your pool and get good value

[empty salmon]

any tips on farming Bones?

[proven orbit]

Cat pet, fishing rod, play fast, gravethirst

[plain fossil]

Well i mean with 10 rerolls and forsaking u dont usually have many filler boons

[proven orbit]

Save 1300 for occasional nightmare purchase in tartarus if thats what you need bones for

[plain fossil]

For me hestia's support kit is bit weak atm its basically sprint gain and glowing coal

[proven orbit]

Running less rerolls could become a more viable strategy if there were more opportunities to filter out duds

[prisma rapids]

Take Toula, and the harvest tool. Use rerolls on minor reward rooms to proc bones

[plain fossil]

Thats potentially a direction sure

[eager ivy]

Mel's Rev build?

[mystic bison]

You can change what boon gets targeted by Burnt Offering by rerolling btw

[past salmon]

@tender anvil I was gonna ask what fear setup you used for 45F mel skulls
I know barriers just feel really awful for them but likethe options are kinda limited at this point so 💀

[mystic bison]

Saved my run once that way

[proven orbit]

Clearly for barriers you just run zeus for static shock

At least thats what I did on moros despite the fact there are enough hits already

[past salmon]

hmmm
I mean it is an angle I suppose

[plain fossil]

Im telling u man static shock op

[past salmon]

which god am I taking Zeus over for tho

[plain fossil]

Idk whatevers not giving u coarse grit

[proven orbit]

Its mostly meant as a joke because zeus means harder to run earth trio , but...

[past salmon]

this is so true

[plain fossil]

U can probably drop hera

[mystic bison]

People sleeping on Static Shock

[past salmon]

idk I think its hard
Because hera attack on skulls is so good at making you not die to timer
lol

[proven orbit]

Between the three I'd drop hera yeah

[past salmon]

but yeah hera is probably the least useful
You could drop heph and just not get hit

[plain fossil]

That is true but static shock killing barriers is also good at that

[proven orbit]

Does zeus have prereq on static shock? You could pick a keepsake in oceanus to snipe that maybe

[past salmon]

hmm
I wonder if just sticking earth trio and taking like commotion over barriers is easier

[plain fossil]

Most annoying thing about static shock is it can turn off huntress

[mystic bison]

I don't think so

[plain fossil]

Because can prime u down to 0

[mystic bison]

By getting 0/0 mana eventually?

[past salmon]

no but it feels really bad if you dont get it

• delaying coarse grit activation probably

[mystic bison]

Just gotta be careful with arrogance and other prime boons

[proven orbit]

Also, I haven't completely tested, but I think either 3 god limit or keepsakes not adding to god limit is bogus because I forced a 4th god in with keepsake and then got offered their boon naturally

[plain fossil]

For just the 1 boon if u whiff u can also hit the global lightning which i quite like

[past salmon]

yeah spirit surge is good

[mystic bison]

Where, in Tartarus?

[past salmon]

it also burns a barrier so

[plain fossil]

It tries to hit revenants which i find funny

[past salmon]

Yeah im pretty sure this is true aswell
I had the same thing happen

[proven orbit]

Can't recall sadly, it has got to be either fields or tart

[plain fossil]

Its the second one

[mystic bison]

I've gotten a 4th god naturally (in Tartarus) before after I got Boon Boon Boon from Echo

[plain fossil]

I discovered this too its just usually a net negative

[proven orbit]

Yeah it often would just dilute the pool if you wanted only 1 thing

[past salmon]

yeh its 3 god pool but will go to 4 if you force it

[plain fossil]

Especially if, to pull an unrelated example out of thin air, ur trying to do 48f medea and faceplanting into enemies every 3 seconds thus trying to rush trusty shield coarse grit asap

[mystic bison]

So Keepsakes and Echo can go beyond 4 god limit (naturally), but only those

[past salmon]

I like this unrelated example

[proven orbit]

Funnily enough I think my keepsake was for heph because I was forcing trusty shield lol

[past salmon]

I might do 48F
I genuinely think 48F is just free because I dont have to deal with revenants

god I hate revs so much

[mystic bison]

I'd deal with rev any day of the week over more % enemies/hp

[plain fossil]

Ye im a rev over commotion enjoyer i wouldnt ever swap unless i was playing some build that somehow instadeleted rooms but struggled for timer on boss

[past salmon]

well unfortunately at this point I have to take minimum one of those which makes revs even worse to deal with

And im fairly certain revs are just worse to deal with than atleast the first level of commotion
Maybe the 2nd aswell
Or maybe im just coping

[mystic bison]

Stuff that prolongs encounters is a big pet peeve of mine

[past salmon]

I just think on average revs prolong encounters more

[plain fossil]

They do 100% i just think theyre way way less dangerous

[past salmon]

especially since mr jeremy revenant who got launched off screen into a corner can singlehandedly delay the next wave by 10 seconds

[plain fossil]

Uh wrong quote but u get it

[proven orbit]

Oh just how different Hades meta would be if timer wasn't a factor 💀

[mystic bison]

You aren't forced to fight them immediately is the thing though, most of the time you collect them and for those you fail there is still a bit of time til they spawn

[past salmon]

the problem is timer tho

[mystic bison]

2 rev with 7 min is fine, dunno abt 5min tho

[plain fossil]

Fundamentally if ur losing more DDs to timer than to getting hit in the teeth a lot then yea i mean i can see commotion

[past salmon]

5 min is not ok is the answer

[mystic bison]

Erebus is the biggest issue timewise most of the time in any case, whether 7 or 5

[cursive oyster]

my 32f surface didnt have timer at all lmao

[past salmon]

cursed fear setups
I can get into it

[cursive oyster]

it worked

[proven orbit]

Cursed is running no arcana because of no timer

[tired fulcrum]

Td3 js3 is free for me with most aspects in h1, commotion 3 desperation 3 is take momus or medea ig

[past salmon]

generally ive found erebus and tarturus to be the most dangerous time wise
Unless ur running momus and can just blow Chronos up

[mystic bison]

Idk I can't imagine high fear wo timer, you're just supposed to be camping the entire time waiting for an opening

[cursive oyster]

that’s what i did

tbf it was momus

[plain fossil]

Man that sounds cursed lul

I hate boss mods on surface so much

[past salmon]

yeah
I get it makes 49F very doable for like every weapon if you play well enough and have the patience
But god you aint ever catching me doing the zpds 2hr long run lmao

[mystic bison]

80% of my runs I finish sub 20 min, my biggest issue for 5 min is Erebus most of the time that's why I don't run it

[cursive oyster]

i think i used calisthenics program 3 instead

[tired fulcrum]

Erebus hex start with 5 min timer

[past salmon]

Selene should turn into an onion

[plain fossil]

I started 32 surface with no timer, first kill at 9, bosses annoy me too much so i now do 7+double revenant so i dont have to click life or damage

[tired fulcrum]

Its so easy to just have nothing for most of erebus

[mystic bison]

5 rooms straight with nothing but ash/psyche/nectar

[past salmon]

This is why I was trying arti out for a bit
its good IF you get lucky
And you never get lucky
So its just not worth it
Especially since taking arti means either A) giving up some rerolls or B) giving up strength

[tired fulcrum]

They add a dark foresight incantation next patch surely

[cursive oyster]

i think that’s artificer

[mystic bison]

Just switch artificer with Dark Foresight

[tired fulcrum]

Artificer is giga copium df

[cursive oyster]

also make it cheap

[proven orbit]

Counterpoint: you have to get lucky in at least some capacity to 5minute erebus. What's a lil more?

[mystic bison]

I'll gladly run a Dark Foresight card for 6 grasp

[past salmon]

I love doing 50 erebus runs to make it out once

should of been born a momus enjoyer honestly 😔

[cursive oyster]

aspect of carpal tunnel

[proven orbit]

Intrusive thoughts

[mystic bison]

Aspect of Ws upon Ws

[past salmon]

I think its telling when 2 50 Fear momus runs ive watched feature the person complaining about their finger hurting
Like bro this is the biggest problem you are having? 😭

[proven orbit]

Incantation of special spam macro

[cursive oyster]

aspect of “better not bother maxxing this cause it’s gonna get nerfed into the ground”

[proven orbit]

I think it's telling when the ability to be topped off at 50% always is the weaker part of the aspect

[past salmon]

lmao

[cursive oyster]

tbf you need mana to do that

and momus literally always takes panic

[mystic bison]

I was surprised people heal with Momus

"Yeah lemme wait up in this corner for 2min to heal up 5hp at a time"

[past salmon]

its pretty good in the situation that you just luck into the opportunity to have some mana
Like healing through scars go brrrrr

[plain fossil]

Its real man i need a new mouse after playing some momus

[cursive oyster]

i have a funny idea:
omega special spam with momus, use strength, aphro cast an special, heph gain, and facetank

[plain fossil]

Momus how god intended

[cursive oyster]

maybe slot in apollo or hera somewhere and go for their legendaries

[sour cape]

I took like Fixed gain and sometimes getting hit means heal to half hp 😎

[cursive oyster]

truee

[proven orbit]

Born gain if it was awesome

[plain fossil]

Gigantic moonburst is actually a really fun special its just nobody uses it because yknow momus

[past salmon]

is that the one that takes +30 magick

That one was super helpful when I was doing Lunar Ray only run
lmao

[plain fossil]

Yea its the one that makes a half screen size explosion

[proven orbit]

Yeah, its my favorite in terms of flavor, big boom

[versed bear]

Where's the link to that one high fear guide?

I'm looking for it but I can't find it.

[weak cosmos]

Do people here like the artificer? I feel like it makes erebus easier for high fear

[neon ivy]

so i haven’t beat Chronos yet and idk where to start, i like the Sister Knives with the aspect that affects the omega attack and aphrodite boons or the axe but idk what my best build is yet 😭

[sacred atlas]

As far as I can tell, it's straight up whatever you enjoy. Foe people like me, the axe is really fun, for others they like the speed and maneuverability of Lim and Oros, find what you like and experiment with different boons

[lavish fiber]

i think early game the axe with the Aphrodite attack was my favorite before i unlocked aspects and such. for me personally i found it easier to react and fight close to chronos rather than play far/mid to avoid his frisbee and scythe attacks

[grave echo]

Knives w/ backstab on special is a fun build and aphro

also works w/ enhanced omega or 3rd strike hammers

[analog ether]

Man, double moonshot + shimmering moonshot is an insane hammer combo

[ocean patrol]

https://youtu.be/Pf4hFoWCkMI?si=CInqFLDOX7I_mAvW

[regal swan]

Hi, is there a double dash arcana or something? I haven't encountered one yet.

[mystic bison]

No, and I doubt there will ever be a double dash option in this game

[regal swan]

Interesting... Thanks

[rigid edge]

hades kart: double dash

[median oracle]

I whoopsied into every card in the arcana active at once after the Sirens

With extremely hilarious results.

[analog ether]

So, had a thought.

Demeter has a boon that increases your max health every time you collect a seed or plant.

What if there was something similar for the other two resources? Mining and Shade?

Armour from mining with Hephaestus sounds good.

Yes, he already has two other ways of giving you armour, but one of them is a one off, and the other doesn't stack, it just refills a certain amount at the beginning of an encounter.

Max mana from Shades feels like it fits, though not sure which god would give it.

[fervent coyote]

ok so generally for damage output is aspect of Pan or Artemis preferred on Lim and Oros

[zenith bolt]

for just sheer dps probably pan

given it's already like top 2 aspects

[fervent coyote]

damn I saw the two and thought Artemis would be the dps choice

[zenith bolt]

im not sure how highroll pan compares to highroll artemis but i would assume pan still wins

[past salmon]

Pan has debatabely the best dps in the game assuming you get the perfect build I think
maybe something else is there

I know with pan ive gotten to the point of phasing cerb and chronos in a single omega spec so

[sinful radish]

you can stack flat damage on hit a ridiculous number of times esp with some good hammers for extra special knives

[zenith bolt]

yeah you can get some very silly dps with pan so im not sure artemis can compare

[timber pawn]

Pan has better bossing momus has better room clear I think, Artemis definitely can't keep up. That said, I have crit chronos for 6k with Artemis and that felt good in my soul

[past salmon]

big numba

[zenith bolt]

i got 1500+ blitz procs the other day and i was in heaven

[sinful radish]

i love artemis, i find it a lot more fun of a playstyle

[past salmon]

that sounds like bliss
God I love Blitz

[sinful radish]

blisstz

[zenith bolt]

romantic spark + origination does goofy dps

it's just getting everything for that is like. 6-7 boons minimum LOL

[past salmon]

romantic spark mel torches has become one of my favourite builds

[zenith bolt]

same

[past salmon]

I take moros for blitz if im not doing specifically romantic tho

[timber pawn]

This is the problem with all the goofy stuff I've been trying, it gets out dpsed by like, one boon and a hammer lmao

[zenith bolt]

https://i.imgur.com/QCgWVhD.png we stay silly

[plain fossil]

Ive become a fan of moros torches for special spam

[past salmon]

I hecking love aspect of MOMUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[zenith bolt]

its ok surely they will nerf momus

[plain fossil]

Moros does absolutely nothing for special spam but ppl look at u funny when u say ur doing content with it + the torches look cool

[past salmon]

lmao

Moros does have the coolest torch design
So if you are doing like magickless special spam moros is the way

[plain fossil]

Its cute!

[plain fossil]

CRUSHINNNNNG COMETTTT

[zenith bolt]

i need to play around with moros more

[plain fossil]

Only if u hate urself

[past salmon]

would reccomend it is banger

I mean
Dont do Moros above 32 probably
That is for people who hate themselves

Ive done a couple 40 runs and its like
Not
That bad?
Its not fun tho

[timber pawn]

Idk if I wanna push time or push fear

Both have an element of rng sometimes just screws you lol

I have done 32 all weps and all aspects already

[zenith bolt]

at least with pushing time you finish runs generally

[past salmon]

I am personally more of a fan of pushing fear
Time is fun aswell tho

[zenith bolt]

or i guess can finish runs

[timber pawn]

Once your pb gets low enough you're resetting way more than you're finishing

Fair lol

[zenith bolt]

pushing fear sounds like erebus hell though too

[past salmon]

only at like 45+ unless ur playing a miserable weapon I think

[zenith bolt]

circe time

[timber pawn]

Kek

Wonder if we're gonna get a patch soon since it's been about a month since release

[past salmon]

erebus is kinda fine until you are forced to take onion

like its rough
But most weapons can manage the good ol kite everything together into your cast and then blow em all up

or you play momus and press 1 button in the corner ig

[zenith bolt]

vow of panic seems mighty annoying for 1 fear tbh

[plain fossil]

Zero mana gang unite

[zenith bolt]

having at least base magick pool for earlygame lets you clear through early rooms a bit faster generally

[past salmon]

if you are playing a mana weapon you probably either take off panic or just take hera everytime

[zenith bolt]

born gain nerf in 3

[timber pawn]

Charon could take panic because you pretty much always start hera lol

Charon might be the most mp hungry weapon in the game

[past salmon]

at base probably yeah

I think the best mana eating build is probably just torches with apollo leg and weed killer right?

[timber pawn]

True, Artemis can get up to 60mp a pop too

And you want to use it faster than torches imo

You'd use mp faster but also probably less total mp used

[steel sequoia]

i normally go chaos to make the build faster and less mana intensive

some pretty good boons to help charon

[sudden belfry]

general tips for eos?

[digital hazel]

what would you guys say is the best build for artemis blades?
im trying to get my first win, but my upgrades are pretty scuffed atm (still working on getting the third DD, among other things).
so far ive had some good success with starting hestia keepsake but burn build feels really reliant on both rolling the blessing that detonates burn and the boomerang special hammer and i havent gotten rerolls yet

[silent crow]

all the hera boons

[fervent coyote]

oh shoot that’s me

[neon ivy]

any opinions on Knuckle Bones vs Evil Eye for Chronos?

[silent crow]

get born gain and hera attack
dash as much as possible
u can cast during the channel so do that

[plain fossil]

Start aph click aph attack and omega attack things till they fall over

Dont click sorceress card if u wanna parry things

[fervent coyote]

Aphro attack is your best bet

From there get Zeus and get the thing that primes 50 for the lightning balls on attack

if you aren’t relying on omega special for damage then it can be good for applying blitz or freeze

[plain fossil]

Im not a fan of static shock on a build that needs mana and attacks quite slowly

[fervent coyote]

artemis? attacks quite slowly?

[plain fossil]

Artemis generally is aiming to omega attack things to maximize the crit from parry yes

[silent crow]

what do yall think of normal atk staff builds

[plain fossil]

I dont generally use regular attack other than first couple of rooms to clear before i get set up

[tired fulcrum]

Hammer dependent

[silent crow]

thats tru

[tired fulcrum]

Also golden rule dependent

[plain fossil]

Uh i tried this thing its fun but its a bit zdps without double attack hammer

[silent crow]

really

[plain fossil]

And the staff has no range without range hammer

[fervent coyote]

yeah but that takes too long you can get higher dps by just using normal attack anyway

[plain fossil]

So overall uh its really bad momus lul

[tired fulcrum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1218621088049659930/1245501891300036699/Hades_II_2024-05-29_15-13-21.mp4?ex=665f9307&is=665e4187&hm=fbc3f415ddf986069b2e7949bf36da05cf4e6e24a959aa853312b8ad25a49375& maybe

[silent crow]

i thought the range was pretty decent tbh

[fervent coyote]

the end of combo attack does same damage as omega attack anyway