h2-builds-and-combat

[sour cape]

Or just rework it maybe -rerolls as well

[past salmon]

idk why you would rework rerolls
What would you even rework them to

[cursive ruin]

Ohh damn.. maybe it could have levels where the higher the level, the less rerolls you have

[sour cape]

No, have Forsaking also reduce number of rerolls

[past salmon]

oh
yeah you could do that ig
but ehhhhh

[civic ocean]

It just shouldn't force duos and legendaries

[sour cape]

Yea that too

[civic ocean]

no other changes necessary

[jovial cove]

I thought you only get those if you get the prerequisites though

[civic ocean]

if you can't keep track, skill issue

[past salmon]

it is genuinely a skill issue to not remember what is locked out

[cursive ruin]

Being forced to take duos and legendaries also feels like a not keeping track issue tbh

[plain fossil]

Ye im in for that

Like right now the rarity arcana are absolute asscrack because of forsaking and theres alrdy not enough arcana

[sour cape]

So would it just roll gold if only available are duos and legendaries?

[cursive ruin]

Besides you could literally just write down what was forsaken

[civic ocean]

no like the good thing about it is that the game is programmed to always offer 3 things if it can so if you narrow the boon pool to 3 things inc a legendary/duo then it's guaranteed

[sour cape]

Exactly or screenshot

[plain fossil]

Gold unless u hit the %chance for duo/legendary

[sour cape]

I see, that would make sense

[civic ocean]

so if that gets nerfed its fine for 2 fear

maybe 1 is fine

[sour cape]

I mean ok, I guess I'd just recommend screenshotting in the future if codex doesnt track Forsaking lol

[plain fossil]

Right now its like -2 fear

[past salmon]

but yeah anyway revenants should be more fear

[plain fossil]

Game actually gets easier after first chronos lul

[wild pine]

I'm not convinced that Forsaking should be a fear vow at all. i'd be happy to see it as an alternate game mode

[sour cape]

Rev def should be 💀

[cursive ruin]

How about this? If a boon that was forsaken was chosen to be offered it becomes a gold reward instead

[wild pine]

or as an arcana card

[past salmon]

like Revs could be double or more the fear and noone would even question it 💀

[cursive ruin]

Now that would be a 3 fear vow

[civic ocean]

if it didn't guarantee duos and legendaries it would actually be difficult

[sour cape]

Yea Revs honestly need to be more, its kind of a joke for 2 fear

Even without duo and legendary i think Forsaking still free

[civic ocean]

Revs aren't worth 2 fear atm because they push runs past timers

except on certain builds obv

[sour cape]

what is with you and timers?

You always love mentioning them

[past salmon]

because timer is a big deal

[plain fossil]

Pretty much this

[sour cape]

I fidn they arent worth it even without a timer

for how hard they make encounters

[cursive ruin]

Does hp vow make runs slower than revs?

[civic ocean]

absolutely not

[sour cape]

Nah revs are worse

[past salmon]

wasnt 49 mel skulls done without max timer?
I cant remember
I thought it was maybe a no arcana run but maybe im thinking of Mynt's theoretical run

[plain fossil]

Revenant doesnt make the game harder without a timer imo

[bleak night]

I lost to Chronos on 49 Axe

[past salmon]

yeah

[civic ocean]

Dominance is one of the freest vows in the entire game imo

[plain fossil]

At least not meaningfully harder

[sour cape]

Certainly harder than Dominance and Blue hearts

[cursive ruin]

Fury is the free vow once you get used to it

[sour cape]

More enemies is a toss up since both of those together is truly 💀💀

[civic ocean]

yeah fr

[past salmon]

blue hearts is probably harder without timer
Assuming you are using a weapon that doesnt just ignore blue hearts

[plain fossil]

Blue hearts is weapon dependent and dominance is another one of those vows that i try not to click on surface because unlike underground its the bosses that wall u

[sour cape]

well you can always get a cast to break the hearts

[tulip heath]

is Unseen Ire still bugged?

[civic ocean]

idk I feel like blue hearts are straight worse than extra hp for most of the run

[plain fossil]

Theres only 1 cast that efficiently breaks hearts, yet another reason why its op

[cursive ruin]

I also like vow of arrogance... Always max it out

[sour cape]

Hearts are worse than Dominance id agree

[cursive ruin]

Just need to get the occasional magic upgrade

[past salmon]

arrogance is free if you dont care about magic
Half the time its not even that bad with a magic build

[civic ocean]

yeah there's like 22 ish free fear with forsaking, timer, arrogance, destitution, fury, scars II

[plain fossil]

Yea see again surface vs underground, i prefer blue hearts by some margin on surface otherwise u lose DDs to cyclops that guy is an ass

[sour cape]

Arrogance is manageable i find

[cursive ruin]

Yeah on someth like momus its just free fear

[past salmon]

calling fury free is crazy lol

[sour cape]

Fury and Timer are not free

[cursive ruin]

You get used to it honestly

[plain fossil]

Fury isnt free but u should learn to play with it so i kinda get it

[past salmon]

its still most certainly not free lol

[plain fossil]

Theres some things that are much more miserable with fury2 regardless of how korean u are

[sour cape]

Idk how you can argue timer is free and then simultaneously say Rev would be free if not for timer lol

[past salmon]

timer is free at low fear 👍

[civic ocean]

it's free in the sense that you can learn to deal with it and it gives 1/6 of all necessary fear

[plain fossil]

I do agree fury isnt free tho

[cursive ruin]

Once you learn it, it is tho.. like compare to someth like no arcanas which is roughly the same amount of fear.. id pick fury over no arcanas any day

[plain fossil]

Like it should be obviously true for everyone that 0 speed is much much much easier than 40 speed hence not free

U can argue that its core but thats not the same as free

[past salmon]

I mean noone is taking no arcanas over anything until like 50F

[civic ocean]

yeah maybe free is the wrong word sure

[sour cape]

I would say Fury is just too good value to not take

But someone did say they only take fury at 40+ fear

[civic ocean]

but I think having to spend 6 fear on something else is harder than spending it on 40% faster enemies

[past salmon]

that is pretty weird

[cursive ruin]

Even doing no fear runs, i max out fury cuz im too used to that game speed now

[sour cape]

Yea apparently max dmg instead

[past salmon]

I mean when I think of 45 or 40 fear setups the things that are always being unclicked are just commotion and revs lol

[sour cape]

For 32

[civic ocean]

I love commotion tbh I run it pretty regularly

[past salmon]

I could see it ig

[sour cape]

40% speeds easier to deal with than +100% dmg

[cursive ruin]

Commotion is the more enemies vow?

[sour cape]

Yea

[bleak night]

I hate Revs so much

[past salmon]

everyone should just run my 32 Fear setup its very good trust

[sour cape]

not really free, but gives more gold

[cursive ruin]

Ive never tried it.. is its impact noticeable?

[sour cape]

Its pretty bad

[past salmon]

what was ur 49 no arcana setup?
Im assuming no revs no barriers maybe?

[plain fossil]

I think 7min timer 2rev is defensible over 5min timer 0rev on some setups

[sour cape]

Just a lot more dangerous enemies and longer to clear imo

[civic ocean]

no timer

[past salmon]

no timer
that makes sense yeh

[plain fossil]

I did my first couple 32s with no timer at all because im slow and i hate timers

[civic ocean]

you need to add another thing tho

[plain fossil]

Ye ik its +1

But thats the fundamental choice ur making

[cursive ruin]

Heh maybe ill try maxing commotion out and see if i cant get some use out of mean streak

[civic ocean]

its wep dependent

[bleak night]

no timer, lol

[civic ocean]

Pink aura I do commotion 3 dominance 3 timer 3 and it's no sweat

[past salmon]

just no timer at all?

[bleak night]

Yeah

[cursive ruin]

Wait do the bosses summon more enemies too with commotion?

[sour cape]

No i dont think so

[past salmon]

ugg
I mean
its probably correct
But that sounds so unfun lol

[sour cape]

Timers very unfree at higher fear

[plain fossil]

The dude is playing 0 arcana gaming fun is not part of the equation okay

[frosty sparrow]

Just stumbled into one of the best builds I have had so far.

Gods:
Apollo
Zeus
hera

Thanatos aspect Axe
Hammers:
Sudden cleave: 60% fast special
Psychic whirldwind: Do whatever you want while the omega attack goes off
Furious Whirlwind: Omega attack charges 60% faster and you move faster while its active

Main Boons:
Glorious Disaster: For an insane omega cast burst
Apollo Legendary: Double up on Omega attack and special
Hera/Apollo Duo: For an enslaved Mob in every fight
Chaos Boon: Reduced mana cost for all Omegas

Doing two omega attacks, while spamming the omega special for shield and extra damage while chronos is being blasted by the omega cast. Just melted him

[cursive ruin]

Ok, i didnt wanna deal with more hourglasses in chronos p2💀

[past salmon]

I think id rather go 50F with Arcana than 49 no Arcana no timer lmao

[plain fossil]

Thats because u dont play mel axe lmao

[past salmon]

this is true lmao

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1244525593404506216/image.png?ex=665e0007&is=665cae87&hm=5ea4093ce5eaf748ea1685171ce6a6b285ac649153dbef91bc3e281fb53163fd& I'm surprised I barely had any mana primed since I kept getting bonuses to rarity, but I did keep the save state if you wanna try the horror of fighting Chronos with no Arcana

[cursive ruin]

I heard theres some bug with than and psychic whirlwind.. they fix it?

[plain fossil]

5 minute double revenants on mel axe sounds absolutely mental health destroying

[sour cape]

Damn 49 👀👀

Must be the best axe fear so far?

[cursive ruin]

Honestly i wanna try getting used to no arcana.. 5 fear seems so tasty

[past salmon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1246695893361496087/1247028003511205952/image.png?ex=665e88d4&is=665d3754&hm=b08bfde6566ac94d7df79b3a14ccc3b814afc93b075e96e50aef976b7cd13bd2&
Honestly this would not be much harder than 45 Medea maybe

[sour cape]

No way lol

[cursive ruin]

The thing ill miss the most is my death defiances.. gotta rely on skelly

[sour cape]

Losing your DDs alone is not worth 5 fear

[timber pawn]

You mean cat imo

[rich bolt]

This person is hardcore

[cursive ruin]

Im sure i will (eventually) be able to do it

[timber pawn]

Keepsake slot too strong to use skelly

[past salmon]

Ive seen a lot of people say max fear is impossible but max heat in hades 1 was like
just as miserable lol

[cursive ruin]

Oh yeahh toula would help too

[past salmon]

if not more so maybe

[sour cape]

Well max heat in Hades was only done with 1 weapon 💀

[timber pawn]

That weapon also had a fairly strong block mechanic lol

[past salmon]

I mean that doesnt change my point

[sour cape]

So like id imagine not viable for majority of aspects here too

[cursive ruin]

Maybe ill start with toula and if bad things happen i will get skelly keepsake half way

[past salmon]

I mean max fear obviously isnt going to be viable for every aspect or even like
more than 2 max
lol

[civic ocean]

max fear seems currently doable if you god run it?

[sour cape]

god run?

[civic ocean]

ye

[sour cape]

whats that?

[frosty sparrow]

The thanatos axe seems to have a bug in how the critical build and apparently spychic whirlwind reduces the criticals going off as well. Its hard to tell

[rich bolt]

God mode

[sour cape]

Ohhh hmmm maybe, youd not need to worry much about survivability

[rich bolt]

Nah it is bugged

[sour cape]

So I could see it

[civic ocean]

not god ome

[rich bolt]

Taking hammers bugs the crit going up

[civic ocean]

you just get lucky with things

[timber pawn]

I think east just means high rolling on hammers and boons for your build, ya

[sour cape]

Ohh maybe if perfectly seeded?

[past salmon]

yeah if you just get insane RNG
Momus probably just like
Does max fear

[timber pawn]

Free rooms, good echo, etc

[civic ocean]

yeah momus could do it I feel

[rich bolt]

Is there any non bugged hammers for thanatos spin to win? I know forward one is bugged

[sour cape]

Would be very challenging either way

Youd be missing Origination and Furies

[past salmon]

pretty sure its only psychic and advancing that are bugged

[cursive ruin]

Yeah i just saw the rest of your build in that message.. that looks like an awesome build

[rich bolt]

Ty my friend i avoid them next time

[sour cape]

Could momus afford Circe trinket and luccsaccing into Judgement?

[civic ocean]

you can deal with no arcana over time probably just by being sick with it

[past salmon]

just be sick with it ong

[sour cape]

Although wait the fear disables all your arcana

[civic ocean]

fury is free for me because i'm just nasty with it

[past salmon]

yeah im pretty sure circe just does nothing right

[sour cape]

So doesnt sound like Circe trinket would do anything

[night vector]

I got my first win with breaker sprint and beach ball

[cursive ruin]

Thats an interesting combo

[civic ocean]

first ever beach ball win amazing

[rich bolt]

Whats beach ball?

[plain fossil]

Beachball omegalul what a legend

[cursive ruin]

Ive never gotten beach ball once

[timber pawn]

Wild build for a first win, good job

[bleak night]

It's funny because when I take off Fury I take more damage than usual since I'm not used to enemies being so slow

[cursive ruin]

Like its the only thing thats keeping me from getting the duo boon prophecy

[civic ocean]

I did one run where I had it off and Chronos got me with 3 straight scythe hits

[past salmon]

I wonder if Hera start is not the best for 50F Medea
Dem might just be better to start
idk tho
its less damage but way better for dealing with especially erebus and oceanus rooms
Getting to oceanus without dem cast feels so awful

[night vector]

Whenever you sprint you create a projectile behind you that does 140 damage

[rich bolt]

Oh yeah that aspect is funny

Boon*

I hope full reflect comes back, i unintentionally made one in hades 1 and it slapped

[cursive ruin]

I mean, hera special is just soo good tho

[past salmon]

hera goes on attack first

[cursive ruin]

On medea?

[past salmon]

yeah
because it applie to everyone

[bleak night]

isn't Hera Attack and Zeus Special the usual for Medea ?

[past salmon]

I was going for this but ended up switching to triple earth

[plain fossil]

I think this guy is playing triple earth to not die

[cursive ruin]

Am i missing someth? The attack just explodes where you hit an enemy right?

[bleak night]

Ah, I see. Yeah. Dem is better on Special for safety

[past salmon]

trusty shield is like required because of suffering and then dem is way better mainly for her cast tho special is okay too

[cursive ruin]

I feel like the special would be better to apply hitch to everyone?

[bleak night]

Special is a straight line while the attack is an explosion

Usually better for radius-based aoe rather than linear when it comes to applying Hitch

[cursive ruin]

What about the special projectiles?

[bleak night]

Oh, your Omega Special doesn't get boosted

[past salmon]

you arent omega specialing on 50F

[bleak night]

it's just the basic attack and special that gets the +60% on medea

[cursive ruin]

Oh wait ig you put the no mana thing on my bad

[cursive ruin]

And also i did not know this💀

[bleak night]

Yeah, the gameplay loop is purely ramming your target with a skull primed in your core

[cursive ruin]

Bruh ive been using medea wrong all this time

[bleak night]

Try it out on training

[cursive ruin]

I mean yeah i did use regular special in faster fights.. but usually i tried to get omega special

[magic moss]

@civic ocean Whats the gameplay loop for Persephone?

[sand crow]

I just realized that Aspect of Medea is basically Hera bow mixed with Aspect of Achilles from H1

[magic moss]

like do you use omega attacks, when to use omega special, etc

[bleak night]

It's just Beowulf, no ?

[sand crow]

also I just got 100 gold from a treasure trove :D https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1230572425918414859/1247031352952356904/got_100_gold.mp4?ex=665e8bf3&is=665d3a73&hm=ce2a53a7f99f6c89c4be47efdce2ecb74144b70bf22989b96ebd76de8bbe1607&

[cursive ruin]

Damn imagine if it was your cast you loaded into your special💀

[civic ocean]

omega cast omega cast omega cast

[sand crow]

Oh yeah good point lol

[magic moss]

wait fr?

[bleak night]

nice

[civic ocean]

kill stuff without omega cast with attack

get to boss

omega special boss occasionally

[magic moss]

wait wait so just spam omega cast or omega attack

[civic ocean]

not omega attack, regular attack cleans up while omega cast damages

[magic moss]

huh

whats optimal core boons if any

[civic ocean]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2159780358 here's vod, yt video goes up wednesday

[ashen falcon]

After 120 nights, I finally tried God mode. Holy cow.

[bleak night]

turn it back off if you can help it

it makes really bad habits

[ashen falcon]

I'm gonna enjoy it for a bit after pushing a few frustrating high fear runs

[bleak night]

Ah, that's fair. Do note that it has its own category in runs, so swap back if you wanna see your old ones

[magic moss]

oh so persephone is a cast build ok

[civic ocean]

that's one way to play it

[bleak night]

it's +30% to all Omegas, so not a bad way to go about it

[ashen falcon]

Cool, good to know, thanks.

[civic ocean]

it's usually pretty hard to get 30% bonus cast damage

and it has incredible synergy with Power from The Moon

[magic moss]

eh whatever we ball its like fear 2 anyway

[sour cape]

What you think is advantage over Than for casting?

[civic ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1241160250829049909/1247034317562187797/image.png?ex=665e8eb6&is=665d3d36&hm=5d3c4e87ddfcf990737751d78e038497d1a2457c06a58421fe0d87edf43c6705&

[sour cape]

Well if its just damage, 20% crit is probably better no?

[civic ocean]

also the primary advnatage persephone has over the axe is that persephone's normal moves aren't suckass and the omega special makes you invuln for 5 seconds

[plain fossil]

Well thanatos crit is more damage than that when its up its just that u have to play the game with ur actual weapon sometimes and axe isnt nearly as good at actually hitting things

[civic ocean]

also I don't lose my cast damage when I get hit

[sour cape]

True, glory looks good

[civic ocean]

And axe is pretty bad at applying scorch

[hollow stag]

What are the 3 best gods for Charon Axe: Apollo, Zeus, Demeter?

[sour cape]

Thats for max damage yea

main issue is all of em have non ideal mana boons

[civic ocean]

yeah those are good, so is Hera

[hollow stag]

It would’ve been nice to include Hera’s Born Gain

[sour cape]

But you can replace one of them for Hera

[hollow stag]

Which to replace for Hera?

[civic ocean]

Zeus probably

[sour cape]

You got arguments for any of them

[civic ocean]

don't ditch apollo please

[plain fossil]

Mynt is pitching me an apollo-less charon imma try it

[civic ocean]

its like fine

[hollow stag]

Is that worth giving up Zeus’ duo?

[sour cape]

Replacing Dem - Gets you access to the most damage with natural disaster and ranged casts

Replacing Zeus- Good survivability with double Earth and still got solar ring for the traditional Charon playstyle.

Replacing Apollo- You will be manually omega casting with Zeus, but potential with spamming the normal special to apply blitz

[plain fossil]

I dont recommend specifically apollo zeus demeter all together due to mana problems

[civic ocean]

yeah, you give up zeus' duo but you keep demeter and you can go for coarse grit with demeter + hera

[plain fossil]

I prefer replacing dem with hera but u can also replace zeus and its ok

[sour cape]

Apollo by himself is good enoigh dmg tbf

[civic ocean]

I do recommend all three of those together no hera though, so that you can still actually play the game when Born Gain gets nerfed

Just like get used to using Tranquil Gain, it's built for Charon

[plain fossil]

I dont recommend that setup, demeter gain is just not it

[sour cape]

Or you can pray for Chaos mana regen

[plain fossil]

I tried this a couple times demeter gain just sucks im sorry

[sour cape]

I would just go core Apollo and replace Zeus, you can get dad cast for Chronos

[hollow stag]

I thought Mana gain doesn’t happen while channeling.

[sour cape]

it doesnt but Chaos mana is reliable and you get it back after dodging around a bit

Or go Wheel in Tartarus

[plain fossil]

It doesnt, other than born/fluid gains, but chaos regen is usually enough to live on especially as apollo cast where u naturally have some downtime to move around

[hollow stag]

Is it recommended to get lots of Magick items?

[civic ocean]

There's a lot of ways to do it

[sinful radish]

when you use a keepsake to force a fourth god into your god pool, what happens to your three god limit? does it keep all four in the pool or kick out one of the original three? if it does kick one out, is it random or predictible which one? im seeing mixed things in the discord history

[sour cape]

Ive tried blitz special + Zeus cast for Charon its an interesting way to do it

[civic ocean]

It just goes to a 4 god pool

[sour cape]

Really not safe but funny

[sinful radish]

oh sweet, ty

[civic ocean]

Blitz special is ideal for charon

It's a piece of the duo that interacts with the bomb combo

[sour cape]

I normally like Apollo if you omega special, cos you often hit your target twice

and thats like Blitz dmg right there.

[civic ocean]

Its whatever, if you take thunder sprint or whatever for the duo its fine

You just have to get the duo if you take zeus or there's no point

[timber pawn]

You saw the charon block thing I posted earlier right, can't remember

[sour cape]

Zeus still good for AQ and Lightning Lance even if no duo

Apollo cast is doing like base 10 per tick

[civic ocean]

AQ on Charon is terrible

Wrong reply whoops

[sour cape]

Wouldnt it affect solar ring?

[plain fossil]

I played AQ charon before its okay

[sour cape]

Solar rings base dmg is 10

And Apollos also air

[plain fossil]

It does affect solar ring but solar ring does base 15 at blue/0 so its not a huge dps increase u would only do it if AQ was literally free already

[timber pawn]

Problem is solar ring scales well with Poms, ya

[civic ocean]

Solar ring is affected by cast damage increases that you get from Demeter so there's no real need for it

[plain fossil]

Like what u gotta consider is whether its better than just chucking a couple poms on solar ring

Occasionally the answer is yes but i would suggest more often no

[sour cape]

True... I guess you could Pom Lance and Apollo special instead

Which is what I end up doing if think can hit AQ

[civic ocean]

You take the blitz flourish so the cast bomb causes the blitz to pop

Blitz special
Tranquil Gain
Solar Ring

Take those 3 and you are qualified for both duos and have a Gain, a Special, and a Cast

[past salmon]

tranquil gain just makes me mad

[civic ocean]

It's fun to get good at standing still

Like playing a different Brotato character

[sour cape]

Blitz special is better for going for Glorious Disaster yea

I just take like Zeus attack

[hollow stag]

Does channeling Flourish count as standing still?

[civic ocean]

No, the animation after does though if you don't input anything

[plain fossil]

Ye its horrendous i literally preferred to click apollo gain and stand in it like a potato despite its slower because the downtime is less

And apollo gain is also horrible in this setup lul

[sour cape]

Another advantage of going Zeus cast is Apollo is actually pretty good mana recovery 😂

[civic ocean]

I like Tranq I'm not great at it yet but it's a fun challenge to change habits

[plain fossil]

Im really enjoying the charon zeus cast no special builds ngl they might be better than actual charon

[civic ocean]

Potentially yeah

[plain fossil]

Theyre much more mobile

[sour cape]

I have more fun with Solar Ring but Zeus cast blitz is strong

[civic ocean]

I do demeter poseidon hera and it's pretty good too though you need Golden Rule to beat Chronos I feel

[sour cape]

Yea with the Dem the cast follows you

[plain fossil]

I mean if ur relying on demeter cast to do damage then yea ur gonna need something like that lul

[civic ocean]

Only for chronos and cerb

Everything else you can handle with Moon+orig+spin

[sour cape]

Charon axe got a lot variety going for it 😎

[civic ocean]

And it's super safe, tons of max hp and coarse grit outs

[hollow stag]

Is Demeter the best cast for Apollo Charon for applying two curses?

[civic ocean]

The entire point of Apollo Zeus Demeter Charon is to take Solar Ring, that's why you have Apollo

[hollow stag]

What’s for special?

[civic ocean]

You don't need to apply any curses at all tbh, the one thing the build absolutely doesn't need is more conditional damage.

The special doesn't really matter. I take zeus so the duo is easier to get

[bleak night]

Special works with any of the three

Apollo for x2 damage via venn diagram + the % bonus damage, Dem for artillery-freezing, Zeus for Blitz that pops immediately when on top of a cast

[prime yoke]

is artificer worth it

its so much focus for such a small benefit

[bleak night]

I don't like it

I guess you can swap out Boatman's 300 gold and extra 4 rerolls for it, but idk, doesn't feel worth

[queen charm]

it isnt

its a worse dark foresight

[prime yoke]

Do people usually play with boatman?

[queen charm]

mostly got extra coins and poms from it, with the occasional hammer

[civic ocean]

yeah depending on what you need

[sour cape]

Boatman needed for +4 rerolls

I mostly use it, strength sometimes instead.

Artificer id take if it were 5 more often

[civic ocean]

I think artificer is seriously slept on especially if you can take it to fields

[bleak night]

Boatman is +300 gold and +4 rerolls since most people run at least 6 already

[prime yoke]

I've tried doing that before but 12 focus for rerolls seems like a big sink

[sour cape]

Up to you, gotta pick between things

[past salmon]

I do think its actually super good I just hate how RNG it is

[bleak night]

It helps you reach a good build a lot earlier, which pretty much overcomes whatever the instant Arcana can give you. It makes your Erebus struggle, sure, but it becomes easier once you get through

[hollow stag]

How is

• Zeus Attack
• Hera Special
• Apollo Cast

For Apollo Charon Axe Build?

[civic ocean]

its fine

[bleak night]

It's pretty fine, yeah.

[sour cape]

Good yea

[bleak night]

Hera is the 2nd strongest in terms of % damage boost, so not bad. Put her mana regen on, too

[prime yoke]

Every time I try to ditch the unseen for something else I get punished by finding no mana regen

[civic ocean]

You should play it and find out yourself lol

[bleak night]

with a lot more rerolls, you'd find that mana regen

I'm used to not having Unseen anymore now

[hollow stag]

I’m theory crafting on what could possible be the fastest god combos for it lol.

[sour cape]

def try to play without Unseen, its kind of a crutch I hate to say but really weak for its grasp

4 mana regen is uhhh not it

[past salmon]

me spending literally all of my rerolls and hepheastus still wont offer me trusty shield
god I hate hepheastus

[plain fossil]

Its possible unseen is the click on builds like charon maybe over damage, it would make early game smoother on these builds that have a lot of moving parts

[bleak night]

if you're trying to bumrush with Charon, Apollo is one of the worst ways to go, it's just pure reliable dps for bosses rather than speedrunning

[civic ocean]

its so bad

[sour cape]

Even for Charon, just give up Zeus or Demeter duo

[civic ocean]

or just learn to stand still

[bleak night]

any other Cast can clear mobs quicker

[prime yoke]

Oh it's definitely weak, but suddenly realizing you can't use omega casts or your hex in a challenging room really messes stuff up

[sour cape]

Or yea cope with Demeter gain

[prime yoke]

I love Demeter gain

[sour cape]

or Apollo gain 💀

Well if you like then great!

[prime yoke]

They're both really fast

[sour cape]

Unseen is not worth it for the time before youd get your first gain

[prime yoke]

Sure they kind of make you a sitting duck, but if you have enough mana you barely need to regen

[sour cape]

It needs to be cheaper in grasp or more regen

True Demeter less bad if your mana pool is laege

[queen charm]

one neat thing I found today is that Hermes's boon that reduces omega cast costs drastically reduces the cost of Torrential Downpour too

[sour cape]

But that also encourages taking more mana pots

[plain fossil]

I might try unseen card on the local climate zeus cast build, something like this build it probably means u dont need a gain at all

[queen charm]

instead of adding 5 onto the cost, it added just 1 I think lol

[sour cape]

Perhaps yea

If you want Apollo/Dem/Zeus, its not tooo crazy

[civic ocean]

I don't think Tranquil Gain has anything to do with your mana pool size, it's just about how you move and fight in encounters. I guarantee you that everyone has somewhere between 4-5 seconds per encounter that they're moving that they could be gaining, and it's about finding those seconds when you're NOT out of mana. Obviously it sucks if you are oom and you're getting run down. The point is to use the time when you have mana but don't need to use it right this second to your advantage

[plain fossil]

I dont agree with this premise fwiw, it does have a lot to do with ur mana pool size because that affects the sequencing of ur recharge and also obviously theres the recharge delay

If u need to recharge to full 4 times in a fight for 6 total seconds thats really different to if u need to recharge 2 times in a fight for 6 total seconds

[civic ocean]

yeah but that's not different than any other gain, the point is you find time in your cycle to be still for a second - usually during respawns or after dunks

but most people just instinctively dash or reposition after or during those actions and it costs them like 80 mana over the course of the encounter, and then Tranq looks bad because now you have to sit there

[plain fossil]

Na ofc its different, the marginal difficulty of standing still becomes higher the more of it u have to do

Because its a lot easier to find standstill times during mob spawns, phase changes, etc if theres only a limited number u need

[civic ocean]

I don't really feel like it's had a practical impact yet

[plain fossil]

To take it to absurdity, its obviously much much much much harder to play the game with demeter cast than any other cast if u have only exactly 25 mana unprimed and have to look for openings every special

Like i tried this a couple times just to see what its like, just limit testing, and doing 32f hecate on 40 mana with demeter gain is way below the minimum u need for that fight to be reasonable, for example

That doesnt on its own mean demeter is bad it just means that its relatively worse the less mana u have

(Obviously i think demeter cast is also bad but thats a separate point)

[bleak night]

Am I crazy for wanting a hammer for Axe that lets your Omega Special rush at a target rather than a blast? Like, Shield in H1 had a hammer that turned Bull Rush into a projectile, and I kinda want the opposite

[plain fossil]

Is this gonna be another axe conversation that ends with just unclick axe and click skulls

[bleak night]

[plain fossil]

Lulw

[astral quail]

about that... how do you guys feel about these two weapons? axe and skull

[bleak night]

They're my faves

[astral quail]

these are my least favorite weapons lmao

[bleak night]

Personal preference ig

[past salmon]

Skulls is my fav
Axe isnt my second fav but its up there

[astral quail]

I prefer a more energetic gameplay, so the blades are my favorite

[civic ocean]

idk how everyone's least favourite weapon isn't that staff that thing is booty and uninspired and being carried by a broken aspect

[bleak night]

Axe and Skulls are energetic though

[past salmon]

Staff is my least favourite you are my homie east

[astral quail]

I mean fast paced

[past salmon]

boring ass weapon that people literally only use because momus is absurdly busted

[plain fossil]

I enjoy playing staff ngl

[civic ocean]

Every weapon can be fast paced if you're sick with it

[bleak night]

This is the most fast paced gameplay in the game https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1243937802530455572/Medealoop.mp4?ex=665e7f9b&is=665d2e1b&hm=6a476e8d3375b642936931d31e66fbf25ddd2c389173c3850861371f84a97a13&

[past salmon]

Medea is the way

[plain fossil]

I actually enjoy playing special spam its just got a bad name rn because of momus

[civic ocean]

great you spoiled aspects for him gj

[bleak night]

does Wes not have aspects yet

[haughty depot]

Staff is cool catch me with double wallop when double moonshot is dead

[astral quail]

interesting, I'm going to try the skull with a different mindset

[civic ocean]

I mean it certainly doesn't sound like it

wow mynt ur a savant

[bleak night]

as for Axe, I suppose it depends on the player

[civic ocean]

mind -> changed

[past salmon]

Axe can be fast
Sometimes

[civic ocean]

Axe feels heavy to play which is nice

[bleak night]

When I play Axe and wanna play fast, I just swap to controller and put my right hand in a claw so I can animation cancel as many things as possible

[civic ocean]

I say this as nicely and affectionately as possible

Why are u so freaky

[past salmon]

LOL

[bleak night]

I play a lot of fighting games

[past salmon]

nah Claw is like not that weird ok
I respect it

[civic ocean]

oh fair fighting games are freaky AF

[bleak night]

yeah, labbing is part of the culture

[plain fossil]

I also enjoy attack spam staff its got good hammers

[civic ocean]

do you know what the standard setup is

[past salmon]

wdym

[plain fossil]

Claw grip gang unite

[civic ocean]

how mynt normally plays

[past salmon]

oh yeah
THAT is freaky

[bleak night]

Whuh

[astral quail]

lmao, as a gimmicky and rather execution oriented FG player I can say: I hate executing things in hack 'n slash games

[plain fossil]

Personally i hate being forced to play fgs on controller but im claw grip when i have to do so

[past salmon]

Claw grip is like normal

[astral quail]

I do love to lab, but not in a hack n slash game

[plain fossil]

Ive been a joystick fan since like 1996 playing tekken tag tournament 1 in arcades for 10 cents

[civic ocean]

fr by release Mynt is gonna be playing with an HTC vive controller in their mouth and a xylophone so they can "Rhythm Cancel" the new axe tech

[bleak night]

Give it a try, Axe feels way different if you do

[plain fossil]

I should bust out the Hori stick for hades ngl it might be good

[past salmon]

ima bust out the mario kart wheel

40F medea on steering wheel when

[plain fossil]

Medea is the wrong weapon for steering wheel those things have brakes

[bleak night]

Here's a bit of an example of Axe animation cancels https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1242331304457142302/practice3.mp4?ex=665e9630&is=665d44b0&hm=3a993a61962eee790bcbf3d38c277adf061eddc6c8997a8c2d3f8d6eb49f2491&

[civic ocean]

Wheel steering the fully glory persephone special would be cool

[past salmon]

is it just me or does persephone just decide to not steer sometimes

[civic ocean]

monkaSTEER

[plain fossil]

I dont enjoy sprinting on kbm ngl

[bleak night]

you can apply the shortening tech to control it a lot sooner than usual

Omega Special charge, then dash

[civic ocean]

I don't enjoy holding button on controller my right thumb is kinda deadge

[bleak night]

you gain full control almost immediately compared to just letting it go

don't release the button, just dash to let it rip

[past salmon]

yeah sometimes it just doesnt give me control fullstop tho
Maybe im doing something wrong

[civic ocean]

As long as we don't end up like Tetris players it's okay

[bleak night]

Might be you're releasing the rclick/button before dashing

[past salmon]

hmmm maybe

either way persephone is like
the worst skull aspect so who cares rahhh

[civic ocean]

the worst at losing maybe

[past salmon]

mel is definitely the worst at losing surely

[civic ocean]

HAH gottem did you like my tortured analogy

[past salmon]

but yeah Medea is in fact the best skull aspect to use if you want to die

[civic ocean]

Medea vs Sea Serpent who would win?

[bleak night]

Medea (you Omega Attack and then die to timer)

[past salmon]

Medea they just had both hands chopped off crushed lungs punctured heart hobblin out

[civic ocean]

still thinking about that person in discussion who said they regularly beat 40+ fear with Hexes

[past salmon]

what
Did they have proof?

[bleak night]

like, the hexes play a big part ?

[plain fossil]

Maybe we're all doing it wrong lul

[civic ocean]

they did not provide screenshots sadly

[bleak night]

the only Hex I use a lot of in 40+ is Wolf Howl

[plain fossil]

Tbf theres a difference between room 1 selene which is always awful and midgame selene which can be acceptable

[civic ocean]

yeah apparently it's super consistent if you get night bloom

[bleak night]

the necromancer hex ?

[past salmon]

I dont use any but I would probably use something if I played something that like
literally ever had magick lmao

[civic ocean]

but also their runs would get ruined all the time by Nemesis? idk

[queen charm]

night bloom is one of the better ones imo

[bleak night]

I can see Night Bloom being good, yeah. I used it on a 45 surface run

[plain fossil]

Necromancer hex tilts me so hard the last time i clicked that on chronos it resurrected a summoner rat

[civic ocean]

they never summon rats in that fight for me

[plain fossil]

Also it blocks ur projectiles until the mob dies so maybe i should be glad it resurrected a summoner rat

[queen charm]

revive a werewolf, satyr, etc

[plain fossil]

If u instadelete all the summoners before they make rats it wont

[bleak night]

I was able to revive the Anchor AoE guys from Thessaly during my Eris fight, they were chonky and did 400 damage

[queen charm]

yeah, those guys bang too

[merry flint]

mfw im at last charon shop and only 5/6 elements for Coarse Grit when offered 🥲

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1242788851676876811/Eris_45_Fear.mp4?ex=665e4610&is=665cf490&hm=bf1a304b87ec4f750233f6b349dded9802fdcabea908e4b4317eae580dd50ce9&

[civic ocean]

I have a pet theory that the armored guys summon rats faster

[past salmon]

my limited experience with nightbloom tells me the guys who do rapid punches just murder cerberus if you revive them lmao

[plain fossil]

The armoured guys are jackasses their red projectile goop tracks u

[merry flint]

honestly i don't get the complaints about 'oh i can hit my revived enemy' bro these things take Solar Rings to the face like its nothing

[queen charm]

feels like the support hexes barring the time slow are better than the damage ones

[civic ocean]

I used it in a chronos fight at 32 once (it was sun worshipper?)

Pink Aura immediately shredded the summon to death

[bleak night]

It do be like that

[plain fossil]

No dude they block projectiles

Its not that they die its that they literally stop ur momus, pan, crushing comet, skulls, whatever from actually hitting

[civic ocean]

I got so tilted yesterday I started my volume challenge and there was loud yardwork for all of my first like 5 runs

So I'm only at 5 for 10 attempts instead of like 8

[plain fossil]

Literal volume for challenge

[bleak night]

turn the volume up and wear headphones at that point, better the music blast your ears than the sound of drills and carpentry

though having café music would probably remove the risk of your ears hurting, so there's that

[plain fossil]

I love crushing comet btw its so fun

[low bear]

What do you guys think is the best Hades Boon? I usually mostly go for -50% ads or Howling if it's good for my build

[merry flint]

50% less mobs

less mobs = less time spent trying to dodge hourglasses

[plain fossil]

Its just regular torch spam is rly good against blue shields and crushing comet is rly bad against blue shields and u wont know what ur playing till u see the hammer

[low bear]

Yeah hourglasses are the worst

[plain fossil]

Hades has -adds, special cast and a bunch of rubbish sadly

[sour cape]

I go dor Howling if no ranged cast, otherwise Deep Dissent

[plain fossil]

-20% hp on the easiest part of the fight wow thanks

[merry flint]

the special cast is mid that thing misses and it goes all the way off into the depths

[queen charm]

^

[sour cape]

But it does stick to Chronos

[merry flint]

just like hades 1

[sour cape]

So he really cant reach you with charge

[plain fossil]

Ye it hard locks onto chronos and ruins his dashes all day which is good

[sour cape]

Plus guarantee all the cast dmg

[merry flint]

its really good if it hits its terrible if it misses

[sour cape]

yea

[merry flint]

man i hate it when chronos does 4-5 scythe spins in a row

[civic ocean]

grudge is a pretty common pick for me

other than that it depends

if I'm playing like Poseidon Waves or Hearthrobs then Last Gasp is actually really nice

If I'm playing psycho blades it's fewer ads, etc

I don't actually think I understand how Dark works

[charred gyro]

hi! quick simple tips on infernal beast? on a rly rly good run rn and i rly dont wanna waste it

[sour cape]

Try to stay behind him, avoid thr big red circles

[past salmon]

yeah play behind him

[sour cape]

When he starts doing a charge, keep a cast between you and him

and sprint away

[charred gyro]

this is awesome bc i have a hammer modification that gives me crazy backstab damage :D
and a gigantic cast hahaha

[sour cape]

Yea you got this!!

[broken pier]

Is there some kind of boon cap per area or some crap? I spent all 10 rerolls on the door before the free room in Erebus, and it only cycled through Pom heart moon mana

[visual moat]

I keep losing to the final boss despite 4-5 tries, I keep making it at the end but I'm losing towards final phase, what are some builds that can counter this

I have only won once

This is a lot harder than the first game

I keep getting to the second phase, then dying and I use all of my death defiances, last time I had four and I lost them all

the twin blades are my favourite, which build would suit best?

[broken pier]

Highly recommend getting hera and Demeter keep sakes they both spawn a lot of earth elementals, and w 6 you can get coarse grit from Demeter (caps dmg u take at 15 w 6 earth) that was pretty much needed for my first few clears so I could better learn his tactics and get the hang of dodging them

[grave river]

if its like hades one then there are only 4 options for a room reward when rerolling.
also rooms have rarity and the lower rarity ones cant be boons

[visual moat]

I just cant understand how I won the first game and completed it 100 percent and 32 heat is no problem, but yet I can't win a single time on the second

[versed nexus]

I tend to go for Poseidon on special for the blades, Apollo on cast and then try for Hestia for glowing coal

It usually works well with my best run having a heroic special with +9 pom power but I still died because skissue (skill issue)

[broken pier]

Definitely a different game, and your dodge doesn’t have the same kind of spam / iframes in this one. I personally feel it’s quite a bit more challlenging this time around

[grave river]

ranged is a lot easier on chronos. aspect of pan with any of the ranged cast options will make it pretty easy.
other then that just learn his patterns and play it safe, get in for damage with an omega attack after he throws the scythe or does a big slash

[steep heron]

it just depends on your playstyle, i had a harder time getting a 32 heat clear in hades 1 than in hades 2

[civic ocean]

If you play this game like you played Hades 1 I believe you will have a harder time

[grave river]

yeah only having one dash makes positioning matter more

[broken pier]

lol I could do full heat on fists in H1 but in this I’m struggling to do 32 on my two best weapons. 0 32 clears so far.

But I also handicap myself w no casts

[visual moat]

I refuse to play the surface because I don't to do a run that is of an unfinished area and only goes 2-3 floors I want the full four

Id rather just play that when its complete

[civic ocean]

Well you should play surface so you can unlock everything

[queen charm]

that's your right but I wouldnt avoid the surface

[steep heron]

but the vanilla dash in h2 is better than in 1, it gives i-frames without any boon

[broken pier]

Yeah getting the apples and the nightmare there to level up aspects is really important

[violet temple]

both give iframes without boon

[broken pier]

Does it though? I’ve been dashing through Hecates ring and consistently get hit by it

[grave river]

yeah but if you get in a bad position its harder to get out.

[violet temple]

you just lose iframes if you dash attack which is what athena dash helps protect

[grave river]

yes. if you get hit by the ring while dashing you are timing it wrong

[broken pier]

I think it’s what the other guy said lol I don’t realize dash attack sacrifices iframes lol

[visual moat]

I love the blades a lot but all the other weapons dont feel as satisfying especially the axe , i hate slow weapons

[civic ocean]

Axe can be quite fast for sure lots of anim cancelling tech there

[grave river]

axe is a lot more fun if you play it as a ranged weapon with the special and dash attacks

[steep heron]

charon aspect is super fun

[versed nexus]

Omg same I'm having such a hard time with the axe, not being able to dash out of some attacks is killing me

[visual moat]

doesnt help that its also the weapon of my OC that i draw a lot as well

[tired fulcrum]

h1 dash gives iframes. You just lose em if you attack

Same as h2

[broken pier]

The omega attack with the one that throws the axe kills your cancels hardcore I hate that hammer so much

[steep heron]

guess i never dashed without attacking in h1 😂

[versed nexus]

I tried it thinking it was good and was like wait I can't can't do stuff while it whirls? Oh.....

[broken pier]

Same lol, but I was really good at perfect frames on fist. Like I played fists religiously lol

I keep wanting daggers to be as good as fists and it never feels like it

[violet temple]

I'd play charon more but it really sucks when the omega special turns into a different direction because I dash right as it goes off

[steep heron]

both artemis and pan aspects are top tier though

[broken pier]

You can get that one that the hammer that lets you attack while it’s going to have a thrown omega with freedom to dodge but there’s so many better combinations

[broken pier]

I like pan a LOT even if I’m handicapped on it without casts

(I’m getting better as using them but h1 no-cast muscle memory hard habit to break)

[tired fulcrum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1164101586138710037/1242188723454611587/Hades_II_2024-05-19_18-03-58.mp4?ex=665e1166&is=665cbfe6&hm=c51ac8e6112f49aabe5ab744aca186e759da58f0166dad215a025534d7347265& tap/double tap attack during the dash and its redirectable

[violet temple]

so attack in the direction you want it to go during the dash?

[tired fulcrum]

While pressing attack itll go wherever youre pointing the stick or mouse

[violet temple]

cool ty

[bleak night]

I should have one with an input monitor on the side if you wanna see

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1244897728564301904/Retreating_shieldblast__inputs.mp4?ex=665e091b&is=665cb79b&hm=6dd270068c96b2713f9fdc49c97b2d4ecf838f88a07d007d0b23c5e66db29bac&

[violet temple]

ye this clarifies it thanks

can finally play something other than thanatos spin 🗿

[hollow stag]

What hammers to get for charon,

The one that speeds up special channel and the other that fires off special omega twice?

[bleak night]

alternatively, the one that gives you a global +50% damage boost when you block something with the shield

just those three though, for the most part

[plain fossil]

I struggle for mana a lot with the double omega special hammer

Its also a lil slow unless u got the charge hammer

[past salmon]

ok wait
maybe 50F medea is so doable tho

like I just got absolute garbage RNG and still made it out of erebus
Oceanus will be a problem but like
just get good Oceanus RNG 4head

[zenith bolt]

300 years forced deep serpent fight

[past salmon]

ok artificer might be necessary tho

I dont think dropping strength is the way tho
idk what arcana build would work with arti
urgh

[plain fossil]

0 rerolls and just get lucky 10Head

[past salmon]

this is so true

I mean
it might actually be
not no rerolls but maybe drop door rerolls?
idk kinda weird

[cursive ruin]

Lmao i got offered phoenix skin when i have 101 hp

[zenith bolt]

no dds and just be good at the game

[plain fossil]

If u drop door rerolls the rest of ur rerolls get horrible i think, id drop charon

[past salmon]

no dds 50 Fear Medea is certainly a thing you can do
If someone ever does that I will fly to their location and personally shake their hand

[cursive ruin]

On the bright side ig that high health boon will always be active

[past salmon]

the boatman? dawg that was dropped 9 years ago 😭

[plain fossil]

Whats ur current thought

[past salmon]

wdym

[plain fossil]

As in whats ur current grasp setup

[zenith bolt]

delusional artificer setup (idk what im cooking here https://i.imgur.com/9MM73Rn.jpeg

[past salmon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1246695893361496087/1247086744680136734/image.png?ex=665ebf89&is=665d6e09&hm=6971dfbf07ccb7baed7c1c68121aa5db9e58889a83386ae82ad91b702a3fc431&
This is what I did for 45

[past salmon]

wayward goes crazy ong

[zenith bolt]

wayward son point goes wherever, im 50/50 on swift runner

[past salmon]

I think I like swift

[zenith bolt]

since it reduces iframes i can't do my funny instakill dodges

at least, not as consistently

[past salmon]

this is sort of what I was looking at to with swift instead of wayward
but like
uhhh
it dso be kinda delusional lmao

it loses messenger aswell
which hurts

[zenith bolt]

artificer moment

[past salmon]

ill do a run with it ig and see lmao

[plain fossil]

Yea in current game im not clicking anything that turns messenger off

[past salmon]

there is no way this isever better im ngl

[plain fossil]

That is unhinged

[zenith bolt]

artificer too big of a constraint on build currently i feel

mfw giving up 20% of my grasp so i can get 2 magick boosts and a gold reward

[past salmon]

I immediately forgot to use artificer
im so insane

[plain fossil]

I dont wanna talk about mana pot reward

[zenith bolt]

if it was minor find -> guaranteed boon it'd be worth i think

being able to get magick pot from artificer is ough

[tired fulcrum]

Every time i equip it

[zenith bolt]

i love remembering i have artificer in mourning fields

[plain fossil]

The number of times ive restarted runs due to setup failures or memory failures i stg

[tired fulcrum]

Surely they add darkforsight in incantation next patch

[past salmon]

ok wait this run is cooking
and it has absolutely nothing to do with artificer
LMAO

[plain fossil]

Run in after completimg previous run --> see chaos boon info light up --> give up and change keepsake

[low bear]

why is Artificer so damn expensive though

[plain fossil]

Keepsakes in crossroads should remember what u last started with not what u last clicked

[cosmic vessel]

hi, does anybody know how to get a specific game seed? I am tired of killing myself over and over again just to get a specific hammer

[past salmon]

ok so this run was going great until I got actually the worst rooms of all time
Why is there like actually 40 of the spinny laser dudes on my screen

[zenith bolt]

i had a room like that once

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1240087136531648534/1246299741440970813/image.png?ex=665e8595&is=665d3415&hm=4b0c41779560eb2d473a4c20b398e7bb2f2c5f10622533ceee3eef38c23d2e4b&

[pulsar kite]

gentlemen and other baddies I have found the greatest deal ever (this is a triple pomme) https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/486829027106226179/1247089976798216252/image.png?ex=665ec28c&is=665d710c&hm=833615ea22e3949459dcdf82238957ea8a6956887f004691dc304b3667e2d063&

[plain fossil]

A2 spinny lasers actually serious business

[past salmon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1246695893361496087/1247090281468395540/20240603173120_1.jpg?ex=665ec2d4&is=665d7154&hm=d2b9b2a25db3bf92a7d436f00c46c3406686582dd22dc0ce529373d809bfafa4&
well uhhh
I am a bit bloodied

honestly if demeter just shows up early oceanus it might cook tho

[plain fossil]

Hey i mean thats 50% more mana so if u need it

[plain fossil]

165 timer dps monka

[past salmon]

Update
demeter has shown up
And last artificer ate the onion so like?????

[plain fossil]

Gl etc

[past salmon]

ok run is dead
gg sea serpent

yeah no this arcana setup is cooked lmao

[cosmic vessel]

can you set the game seed to ensure a boon/hammer?

[slow crown]

what boons you got for that?

[zenith bolt]

yo dawg i heard you like elements https://i.imgur.com/lnqalAd.png

[past salmon]

chaos moment

[magic moss]

Apollo special and legendary, special charge faster and hook knives hammer

on pan

[pulsar kite]

bruh im literally at his doorhttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/486829027106226179/1247094042320175104/image.png?ex=665ec655&is=665d74d5&hm=f4050097d537efce6552103bb83e26ccd73f08fa48ec65ceb238222649dd614c&

[magic moss]

@slow crown

[vague olive]

hi currently working on getting all the boons and I was wondering if anyone has tips for getting these ones

hera dying wish
posideon king tide
apollo exceptional talent
aphrodite estatic obsession
haephestus fine tuning
hermes close call AND tall order

[pulsar kite]

run their trinkets

[magic moss]

i wish i can say this is a better way, but the answer quite literally boils down to “just hit”

[zenith bolt]

boon book for reqs

[vague olive]

I see

[pulsar kite]

maybe run chaos trials since it garuantees no resources will drop in the place of boons

[magic moss]

you can use their trinkets to guarantee some boons for reqs and stuff and use vow of forsaking to narrow the pool, but at the end of the day it comes down to “just hit lmao”

[low bear]

use vow of forsaking to narrow down the boons offered by a lot, just keep in mind which boons have prerequisites

[vague olive]

oh smart

[plain fossil]

Forsaking + rerolls + keep webpage open with prereqs u can knock off 2 per run

[zenith bolt]

how over is it for me https://i.imgur.com/NxCcBaH.jpeg

[plain fossil]

Forsaking isnt usually on in chaos trials and that on its own is a massive massive buff to odds of finding/forcing legendaries so i wouldnt do anything that doesnt have that vow i thinks

[plain fossil]

Aph is okay if u have -projectile speed

[pulsar kite]

would be bad for those with prereqs tho since decrease time to choose unless the chaos trial start with it

[plain fossil]

Zeus can eat my ass tho

[vague olive]

i get you

[past salmon]

revenants are the worst thing SGG has ever cooked up

[plain fossil]

Lmaoooo

I swear the amount of hate revenants get is out of proportion to difficulty

Because theyre so annoying sometimes

Like if u kill 2 enemies next to each other and the green blobs fly in opposite directions

[past salmon]

I genuinely think 48F would take me like not long at all
Revenants are causing like 80% of my problems

[zenith bolt]

this run was so cracked

smolder ring + aq for aq scorch, romantic spark + origination hitting 1300+ blitz procs

[past salmon]

I mean
every room taking an extra 5s minimum purely because of revenants would say otherwise

bro can selene please die k thx bye

[plain fossil]

Ye ig when ur consistently failing timer due to other vows then revs are much harder its true

[glossy rivet]

Guys is fluid gain > lucid gain for daggers?

i can replace blue apollo gain with purple pos gain

[plain fossil]

Lucid gain is pretty ass on daggers and fluid gain is both good and on a god u alrdy want

Uh i should say

[glossy rivet]

tfw no hera gain this run but ok got my aphro atk, skulking, explosive ambush, and exceptional talent soo

[plain fossil]

If ur playing artemis then no keep apollo my comments are for non omega attack

If ur playing omega attack then poseidon gain isnt good

[tired turret]

lucid gain isnt better than fluid because while channeling you dont regen (for pan)

[glossy rivet]

does perfect image stack per no-hit encounter or smth?

[tired turret]

lmfao i love your pfp

[past salmon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1246695893361496087/1247110113802719313/20240603185006_1.jpg?ex=665ed54d&is=665d83cd&hm=6e8cf2e90c8aef5682dceb533beedb8a64d27bbc71f10636e98ffe1c07e49332&
Well I've got a run to fields
No grit and heph just decided to never show up so probably cooked but hey progress ig

[tall notch]

What weapon is this?

[past salmon]

Medea lmao

[tall notch]

Lol

Idk if I've ever killed anyfear Chronos with Medea. The weapon's hard

[past salmon]

I wish my favourite weapon happened to not be Medea
Would of saved me a lot of pain probably
Should of been born a Momus enjoyer

[tall notch]

I heard Momus enjoyers will be put on suicide watch after nerfs

[past salmon]

lmao

Realistically they shouldnt
But it would give me an unreasonable amount of joy to see them just absolutely GUT momus

[wide mantle]

how good is natural selection?

no more health mana gold and boons are more likly too be rare or better.
so i assume you would get a ton of boons

[plain fossil]

Its okay

U have to shoot for it so u usually only get it late and tartarus doesnt have little boons so it does nothing there (does it affect the triple gold reward in tartarus?)

If u get it early u can use it for some ridiculous highrolls esp if ur not running forsaking, if u are u will run out of boons

[zenith bolt]

seems bad early bc you lose out on max hp gains and bad late bc it doesnt have much value

also theres a chaos boon that does the +rarity thing but without the disastrously bad downside

[tall notch]

You could use it to stack poms ig?

On an antler no mana setup (so you don't care for hp and mana)

Turn the downside into an upside

[zenith bolt]

hmm true

[past salmon]

ok so I have discovered something

50 fear isnt fun
I hate this

[zenith bolt]

[pastel delta]

what are some good boons/hammers for the skull thing?

i just unlocked it and have no idea what to do with it

[past salmon]

almost all of skulls hammers are good

[haughty depot]

I like Apollo and Hera attack on skulls

[past salmon]

im assuming you are using base aspect

bolstered array is amazing
Auto Retrieval is really good if you already have bolstered, same as the hammer that makes your omega attack happen on skull pickup
Hera attack is fantastic on skulls

Almost all of the special hammers are also really good
Use the omega special a lot, you have invulnerability during it

[tender anvil]

I’ve been trying 50+ no arcana runs, and those are really anti-fun. Oddly enough lack of rerolls hurts more than crap defenses (Lovers/DD’s)

[pastel delta]

are you invincible while using the special? it looks really bad if it doesnt make you invincible while you dash around

[past salmon]

I dont think I can do 50 without arcana on medea
The lack of defense hurts so much

[tender anvil]

Got to pray for early Heph

And then for him to offer shield/mynt condition

[past salmon]

yeah
no arcana just seems miserable
Its so rng based its not funny

[haughty depot]

Heph invuln is pretty good right

[bleak night]

Yeah, it sucks without unless you go no timer and play off of pure mechanics and ability to run away until you can hit back

and even then, dying in one hit from 70 hp is discouraging

[past salmon]

I didnt think it would be much help but I looked up a 50F Momus run to see how it goes

I was right it doesnt help
Momus is in fact just sit back and spam special and most of the problems are non problems

[tender anvil]

It’s good for bursty weapons, that can do explosive offense within those 10ish seconds, like skulls or axe

[past salmon]

its like
I get one unlucky room
And medea is practically cooked

some rooms are just not possible to not get hit in I stg 💀

[bleak night]

The risk of playing a ramming weapon with no shielding, I suppose

[past salmon]

yeh
I think 50F with arcana is possible tho
Ive got 2 runs to mourning now

[tender anvil]

How are you even handling blue shields with Medea?

[past salmon]

Medea handles blue way better than Mel imo

[tender anvil]

Well, but then you ram into a yellow-armored enemy and you’re cooked, no?

[past salmon]

since loading 3 skulls + special is 4 total hits so you are still getting 2 hits of damage
Yellow armoured is rough yeah
You just have to kite the hell out of everything

there are a lot of times when im specifically hitting the non armoured enemies to deal with the armoured enemies

[plain fossil]

I need more skull practice i miss too much with this stupid weapon

[tender anvil]

Honestly, no arcana 52ish Momus sounds less stressful

[muted schooner]

can someone explain Aphrodite's Legendary and how it's different from Glamour Gain. I understand Glamour Gain makes it so that an enemy will always be Weak as well.

[past salmon]

Momus is always gonna be easier
heck with good enough luck I can see Momus doing 55

[proven orbit]

Weak makes the enemy weaker
Charm turns them on your side which mainly means not taking damage from them and some damage coming from them to your other foes

[muted schooner]

thank you! (The difference is apparently that reading too fast is the enemy)

[tender anvil]

Hope some madlad does it before it gets nerfed!

[past salmon]

I do hope aswell
although im ngl watching high fear momus runs makes me unreasonably angry

[proven orbit]

At the end of the day someone might want to backup the old version so that prenerf momus attempts may continue

Although unsure how many people are both skillful enough to try and not bored to death by it

[zenith bolt]

momus 55 was done with savestates already, so it's def possible

[past salmon]

makes sense

[plain fossil]

Eh its just a different game rly i dont view it as competitive with other aspects atm

[tender anvil]

How do you do savestates? Asking for a friend

[zenith bolt]

idk ask speedcord they probably know better

[plain fossil]

So i dont think its worth getting angry about like if ur doing content on momus it just means something different atm

[past salmon]

I think its more that I watched a 50F Momus run and they like
Skipped 2 mid shops
A miniboss and like another free room
And still didnt rlly hurt for time

[plain fossil]

Double moonshot + sit in corner is different game

Hard to beat double moonshot sit in corner

[tender anvil]

Skulls kinda don’t allow you to do that and feel safe on time

[plain fossil]

ik

[tender anvil]

I mean, revenants

[plain fossil]

Oh yea sure i mean im exaggerating for effect but like

[robust prism]

I hope Momus, double moonshot and maybe even poseidon splash all get nerfed

[plain fossil]

Ur 500 times safer than medea is the point

[zenith bolt]

pos outside of pan/momus is not a problem i think

[robust prism]

for being so overpowered it's also such a lame aspect that I just don't really enjoy tbh

[zenith bolt]

momus is 100% getting gutted or reworked

[past salmon]

Momus needs a rework imo
And poseidon probably needs an overall nerf but im not positive on that one

[plain fossil]

I think momus needs a big nerf, poseidon probably needs a small one since it gives aoe and shieldbreak on top of good damage, and double moonshot is not out of line with other good hammers

[robust prism]

it can still be pretty insane on Pan but yeah it only needs a slight rebalance if at all I think

[past salmon]

these are pretty much my thoughts

[plain fossil]

The interesting thing about double moonshot is it scales with how bad ur aim is

[past salmon]

lmfao

[zenith bolt]

im not a fan of "hammer that doubles your dps" in general

[tender anvil]

That’s for sure! But that’s on Medea. My (very slight) issue with Momus is it’s less safe that more burst aspects - Meli Skulls can immediately dodge out of harm, while momus is a bit less snappy, so I get hit by hippos often

[zenith bolt]

that goes for hook knives, double moonshot, etc.

[past salmon]

id be a much bigger fan if it wasnt doubling the dps of the sit in a corner and mash one button move

[plain fossil]

Thats a reasonable attitude but i would suggest sgg disagree from the number of doubledamage hammers

[zenith bolt]

but on the other end we have hammers like the marauder x that just brick a run which is like ??? as well

https://tenor.com/view/mr-fresh-cat-food-cat-food-cat-sits-gif-17043041415918945645

[plain fossil]

Staff has 3, daggers have 2, axe has 2, torches have none i think, and skulls have at least one for mel

[robust prism]

what's marauder, I haven't memorized all the names lol

[wild pine]

Honestly Momus is just the worst offender of a general issue that affects all gods but especially the flat damage boons, which is that the logic for scaling Strike and Flourish boons differently no longer makes any sense.

[zenith bolt]

the marauder hammers are the "you attack faster but you can't use omega attack" ones

[robust prism]

oh

[past salmon]

collosus probably gets closish to doubling ur medea dps maybe
I havent done math on it tbh
It does a lot tho
Also DR

[plain fossil]

Marauder slice is so offensively bad lmao its use hammer to give ur controller autofire button

[plain fossil]

Rly? Including the attacks? I know its good but

[spare kite]

For slice I don't think you even attack faster lmfao

[plain fossil]

Oh actually i remember for torches crushing comet is triple damage but its got a big drawback

[past salmon]

its +45 power
so if you get a good flourish it goes crazy
Although maybe its just because in a lot of my runs I get special damage from chaos aswell
I just know ive had a couple runs on Medea 32+ where special damage rivaled attack

[plain fossil]

Aight well new build

Special-only skulls

[bleak night]

like, no Cast ?

[past salmon]

do it on low fear and you can simulate what it feels like to play high fear medea

[plain fossil]

Ok ur allowed to cast i suppose

[past salmon]

Ive been trying Demeter start on 50F now
I think its maybe better than hera
hera is better room clear sort of
But Medea can just barely manage erebus without it and you tend to just die without demeter

[plain fossil]

-165 timer dmg again

[past salmon]

artificer build moment lmao

I really want to like artificer but when it has a random chance to gve me some garbage like poseidon it makes it really hard to like

[plain fossil]

I get scared of random grab bag god man even its cheaper

Here have a hestia FFFFFFFF

[past salmon]

I wish god keepsakes just forced artificer rolls aswell

[wild pine]

In Hades 1 it was almost always the case that normal attacks had both more DPS and more hits per second than specials, while specials had more utility (movement, AoE, crowd control, etc.) than attacks. The handful of exceptions where a special had spammable multi-hit functionality or very high damage tended to be high-risk high-reward options like point-blank bow special, or to be kinda busted nonsense like Chiron or Guan Yu (whose broken special was so good they took half your HP in compensation).

Higher flat damage on Flourishes made sense in that context because (a) tagging someone with a flourish was usually a bigger investment than tagging them with a Strike and (b) the main flat-damage options (Doom, Thunder, Hangover) all had stack-caps or internal-cooldowns that limited the value of multi-hit combos anyway.

Higher %-damage multiplies on Flourishes than Strikes also made sense because many specials weren't really worth using for the damage when un-booned, and thus required a bigger boost to make them viable bread-and-butter moves.

But in Hades 2 there's really no consistency between weapons as to whether the attack or the special has the fastest attack rate, most hits per combo, or best overall DPS. So there's no reason to make Special buffs generically better than Attack buffs. They should instead scale the boon effects by a move's base animation time or magic cost or something.

[haughty depot]

Is it viable to save artificer uses until after you've found your gods already

[past salmon]

the point of artificer is to have ur start not be as horrible with onion tho is the problem
And sometimes you dont find all 3 gods until end of oceanus if ur unlucky
Although if that happens that run is probably dying anyway

Ok I need to stop watching High fear momus
Im actually crying laughing though
bro is complaining about his finger hurting from mashing special 😭

[proven orbit]

Clearly, the strat is to make openings with each available god. God agnostic boon stacking

Fits the artificer name a lot too

[proven orbit]

Well, it IS the biggest downside of momus

[past salmon]

lol

[haughty depot]

Can you use artificer on the onion itself

[past salmon]

unfortunately not

that would be a big buff tho

[proven orbit]

To be fair erebus already has so many minor reward rooms that transforming onion means you get a boon 1 room earlier and thats it

[haughty depot]

Hire me

Yeah but it would make resetting faster

[proven orbit]

So unless we do get the incantations for minor rewards to improve your run like in H1 upgrading onions will be inconsequential

[proven orbit]

Guess so

[past salmon]

or you can get a max magick up 1 room earlier!

[haughty depot]

What if momus special rooted you in place for longer after firing it

Turn it into a minigun

[past salmon]

make momus debuff you to 1 max hp and you cant increase it or gain armour

you can have winter cloak though its ok ❤️

[robust prism]

would just encourage you even more to stand somewhere far away in a corner and spam it

just not fun gameplay imo

[haughty depot]

Any build around the staff special would probably play that way tbh

[robust prism]

without double moonshot at least you still have to aim

[past salmon]

ive seen some suggestions about making it so enemies hit by your special take more damage from your attack
Might work better if they made it your omega special?
its definitely more interesting than whatever tf current momus is meant to be

[robust prism]

yeah! that's a nice idea imo

I like aspects that force you to use multiple things

[little arch]

What would be the best build to defeat Hecate with no arcana? I’m still earlier in the game only able to reach Scylla and just got the no dot in the upper world for context (I am assuming that I will need weapon aspects for that run)

[brazen mauve]

You should be able to just take like damage boosts and be fine. Nothing she does should be that bad. Is there a part that you struggle with?

[spare kite]

You can poke her to death with anything really

[brazen mauve]

Yeah, she's super forgiving. Especially with frinos

[plain fossil]

the easiest way to do that challenge is to do the trial of chaos

theres a trial of chaos in erebus with axe, it has big chop + double hit + everything u would need + 200 hp, and no arcana

i dont think its possible to mess up

[lament aurora]

hey guys can someone tell me how I can reset a seed?

[robust prism]

just let yourself get killed?

[merry flint]

play a chaos trial

[lament aurora]

do I have to fully play it

[merry flint]

not really but they are fast

[lament aurora]

alright thanks

[merry flint]

you could die in one of the harder chaos trials its easier that way

[proven orbit]

Damn, didn't leave any trials incomplete for that

Although dying in the run itself works still so

[merry flint]

hopefully next patch makes them replayable so i can die faster in trial of doom

[plain fossil]

Just hope u dont spawn room 1 hippos u will be there for 2 minutes lmao

[bleak night]

Heya! Did you manage to get that Charon win ?

[proven orbit]

Clearly, what we need is a vow of unfathomable terror: if you stand still for 3 seconds, a horrifying shade comes out and oneshots you

[bleak night]

as if we needed more nerfs to Tranquil Gain lol

[brazen mauve]

Only if it counts the time I pick boons too.

[proven orbit]

We need more nerfs to it so that there arent genuine attempts to redeem it

[lament aurora]

hey .. no I did it with momoa/special/poseidon lmao .. also did my first fear run with that strat aswell .. I bet your strat is good aswell but I feel like I struggle with the playstyle .. I get it tho .. drop my cast and spam my Omega Special .. but I run out of mana quickly and when I stay in my cast to regen it it disappears before I get enough mana to charge a Omega Special again .. I might need to train that playstyle a couple runs more .. but atm Im focusing on upgrading my momoa to full

[bleak night]

probs don't

I can't see that not being nerfed to the ground since everyone complains about it

[brazen mauve]

Momoa nerf or buff everything else 👀

But yeah, like 30 damage on each special is nuts.

[bleak night]

Is it called Momoa in a different language or something ?

[brazen mauve]

Idk, I don't remember how it's spelled.

[bleak night]

Momus

[proven orbit]

The strat described sounds like aspect of pan haha

[lament aurora]

I always misspell it and I dont know why even tho Im playing the game in english lmao ..

[brazen mauve]

Good thing you still knew what they meant.

[bleak night]

It's just called Moma in Russian based on that recent post in #h2-victory-boasting

[brazen mauve]

I didn't have a much success with pan.

But I'm also not good and only have 2 clears.

Both with staff, but I don't think either run I even got the double shot hammer.

[bleak night]

I'm just avoiding using Momus

[proven orbit]

Me neither honestly. I don't know what's wrong, but it just doesn't feel like it pulls the weight until 2 hammers and mob clearing is still questionable

[bleak night]

The moment I saw how effortless it wins, i just figured that won't last long, so better for me to not play it enough to even miss it

[brazen mauve]

Without upgrades to the staff, it's not even that strong.

[steel sequoia]

yeah me too, i think they will nerf it or rework to use mana somehow

[brazen mauve]

Like just with the +10 it's not like game breaking.

[past salmon]

Okay SGG we need to have a serious talk about room and enemy designs
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1246695893361496087/1247170805763407944/20240603225117_1.jpg?ex=665f0dd3&is=665dbc53&hm=2663e8581173d4410231208c950d01d4b1b022bc054444449df097387016ca12&

this entire room is just unhittable sea serpents and hippos going into unhittable locations

[steel sequoia]

ive opened a hades chest in this room, got like 30 gold or somethng lmao

[brazen mauve]

What's the issue? 🤔

[zenith bolt]

medea

the issue is medea not being able to hit half of the enemies in oceanus because xd

[steel sequoia]

skulls suffer a lot in this room

[proven orbit]

Medea should like launch the skull microscopically forward when you use special

[lament aurora]

is there btw any chance to upgrade the relationship of anyone to the max level? It seems like it is not finished yet development wise

[bleak night]

Nah, not possible yet

[past salmon]

but like
Even if I was mel skulls
I miss one skull and gg I dont get it back for 9 years

[brazen mauve]

Can't you go pick it up?

[steel sequoia]

game is not ready yet we playing early access

[lament glade]

cant wait for dad gifting

[proven orbit]

If it goes into the pool, no

[past salmon]

the areas at the top and bottom arent areas mel can go

[steel sequoia]

i mean, everybody wants cerberus as pet afaik

[lament aurora]

I know that but I was wondering if Im missing something

[brazen mauve]

Oh the skulls go away in the water?

[proven orbit]

There is a failsafe implemented for (some) revenants' unfortunate positions, but not skulls

[steel sequoia]

if u have like 100+hs and 3 statues i think you have done it all for now

[brazen mauve]

Can you hit them with omega cast?

[past salmon]

the skulls go all the way to the edge of the room and then si tin an unreachable spot

[steel sequoia]

yeah but they change places and takes a lot of time

[past salmon]

I'm playing 50 Fear and have literally 0 magick lol

[steel sequoia]

you can use special to clear that but its not smooth too

like u need to dance from one side to another cheaping dmg basically

[brazen mauve]

Yeah, that sucks.

I haven't used other weapons much.

[bleak night]

Think he'll have a keepsake for us ?

[zenith bolt]

he has heart icons so i'd imagine so

[bleak night]

Ah, fair.

[sly turret]

What part does hera play in triple earth?

[past salmon]

hitch goes crazy

[lament aurora]

I hope the story comes to an end .. I mean yes the purpose of a rogue like dungeon crawler like Hades is to do runs over and over again to upgrade everything and prove yourself and have fun .. but Im really invested in the story of Hades in general .. I hope it will be possible to seal old man Chronos once again with the help of the olymp (once its developed fully) .. so it kinda comes to an happy ending .. and the runs would change aswell .. the stairs to olymp would be the only stairs opened up and the stairs to the underworld would no longer exist because we would be back in the house of hades .. and the olympians would tease another upcoming threat in the future and for that we should train .. and then the run would be like from the house of hades up until the olymp .. like 6-8 different locations and guardians all of them are gods or titans

[steel sequoia]

ur too anxious corazon, chills the game launches next year

[muted schooner]

#h2-feedback message
anyone knows what Hades I boons/upgrades this comment refers to?

[lament aurora]

nothing to do with anxiety lmao .. Im enjoying the game and the lore

[steel sequoia]

must be bridal glow

Bridal Glow

Your Boons become Heroic, then lose Rarity every 5 Encounters.

[tender anvil]

Probably Hunting Blades / Crystal Clarity (or whatever homing lasers were called)

[muted schooner]

bridal glow isn't an Hades I boon though

[muted schooner]

oh, duos

[past salmon]

this feedback is very strange
They are comparing core boon stat ups to duos?

[tender anvil]

Well, can’t think of anything too bombastic outside of duos/legendaries

[steel sequoia]

i believe devs wont consider 99% of fedbacks, but someone will get good laughs reading them

[muted schooner]

not sure, that's why I was asking, I couldn't think of any core boon in Hades I that changed so dramatically depending on how you pommed it/etc

[robust prism]

yeah some feedback comments just make no sense lol

[tender anvil]

I just want basic QoL asap, i.e. forsaking and ephyra bat cages timer.

[past salmon]

I see a lot of feedback from people who sound like they have played 20 minutes of the game im ngl

[tender anvil]

Oh, and a pet peeve of mine - disable axe omega special auto firing, allow us to block for extended periods of time

[plain fossil]

Arcana loadouts + game remembers the last keepsake you started a run with or we riot

[merry flint]

Codex QoL that was already a thing in h1

[robust prism]

"Alright, let's please do this:
Chances that people playing with Fear activated also need ash, psyche, bones? 0.0%
If Fear is active, please remove those from a run."

this one I found particularly weird, like what does this person want the devs to do lmao, give you a boon in every chamber if the oath is active? that just defeats the entire point plus bones are still useful for a very long time after you unlocked the oath

[tender anvil]

Those are like luxury picks!

[steel sequoia]

most of them i believe, there is a few interesting ones ngl

[plain fossil]

The biggest fundamental issue i have with the game rn is i find it uncomfortable to have to dash before sprinting i believe they should be separate buttons

[proven orbit]

merciful end turns any weapon you run into the tag simulator
except we have zeus aphro boon in this game

[merry flint]

Opening a codex next to someone and having it automatically open to the person i was looking for was super good

[past salmon]

my most wanted change is Oceanus medea related stuff but im a little biased
My biggest request is for them to gut momus because it would bring me joy

[tender anvil]

Yeah, that’s complimentary to forsaking codex upgrade, but definitely deserves a separate mention

[proven orbit]

pomming always was a minor stat increase so I'm dumbfounded

[plain fossil]

I find codex a lil clunky like boons are annoying to dig through

[tender anvil]

Killjoy!

[plain fossil]

Its not a high priority thing tho

[merry flint]

#MomusDidNothingWrong

[steel sequoia]

yeah i dont use them too, i rather alt tab for a wiki

[past salmon]

im just so sick of seeing momus everywhere like its actually a plague

[robust prism]

I agree so hard

[plain fossil]

Ok monkeys paw curls

Momus is gutted but sea serpents now spawn in crossroads

[steel sequoia]

#makemomusgreatagain ill start already

[tender anvil]

Eh, just mentally remove 10 fear from each run you see, and it’s tolerable

[past salmon]

wtf is this 😭

Medea drops to bottom 3 weapons instantly
Thats so fire

[uncut owl]

Anybody else feel like hook knives hammer is OP?

[past salmon]

it is pretty insane yeah

[robust prism]

it is

[uncut owl]

literally made i the game a cakewalk

[steel sequoia]

to be fair most people that play without fear and are really bad wont even know that if u get pos+momus with doublemoonshot its busted. some people will read it online and try and play like 3 easy games and than complain that is busted and get wrecked with the other aspects.

[robust prism]

not as op as double moonshot but it's very strong

[merry flint]

Wait how does that work does the sea serpent spawn in the silver pool or what

[plain fossil]

It spawns next to the entrance to the training grounds so its shooting at u when ur clicking arcanas

[merry flint]

Isnt that just ephyra

I got sniped by a barrel because i was drinking from the fountain

[plain fossil]

DUDE why do barrel throwers aggro across the whole map in ephyra

Get ur ass nailed by a 200kg sniper bullet from downtown

[tender anvil]

Bawlders in Mourning Fields keep moving while clicking boons

@past salmon what do you do about Bawlders with Medea btw?

[blazing pelican]

may want to put this in feedback or bug reports?

[plain fossil]

I dont play much skulls but every time i do i hate bawlder then i play a real weapon and im like wow why did i hate bawlder its a joke

[past salmon]

are these just the boulders?
yeah they suck
Worse when they appear in oceanus tho
As if oceanus could get any worse

[plain fossil]

Armoured lamia tilts me to tears in oceanus the arenas are so small

[steel sequoia]

i hate the lava hippo and the tomato thrower, the rest im fine with them

[plain fossil]

Also yea idk how to deal with armoured holeheart as skulls

My solution is take damage

[steel sequoia]

u eventually needs to take damage to kill stuff

[plain fossil]

No see thats why u click momus

[past salmon]

oceanus is definitely just the worse biome for skulls

everything is somewhat manageable for aspect of mel
The only advantage medea has over mel is that its faster by a bit generally

[proven orbit]

Sounds like a pretty good advantage to have on 5 minute vow

[lament glade]

he should, and there’s plenty of slots in the drawer so

[sour cape]

It def deserves a nerf imo