h2-builds-and-combat

[split igloo]

Poseidon special

[wild pine]

Ya, definitely poseidon unless you're mad enough to go aphro.

[past salmon]

yes

[hybrid spire]

Poseidon adds 20/30/40/50 damage to Momos
Apollo adds 24/32/40/48 damage and larger area

Am I missing something?

[vague olive]

Hey question, anyone have tips on how to get dying wish?

Or the prerequisite boons for it

[tall notch]

Damage bonuses are additive. Poseidon's flat damage can be scaled further to do better

[tired fulcrum]

Aint that just hitched enemies make others take damage when ded

[tired fulcrum]

Lets say you have origination active with a 40 damage poseidon splash. The +50% adds 20 due to the 40 base power of the special and an additional 20 to the splash damage. If you have apollo special all you get is the +20 due to base power, the % from apollo isnt scaled

[hybrid spire]

Thanks, that explains why people go for Poseidon so often

[tired fulcrum]

Also slip and kings tide funny

[merry flint]

slip free

[tired fulcrum]

Another thing is that poseidon has better gains from poms

And % damage pom gains were nerfed from h1 for some reason

[cursive ruin]

Static shock tho.. that boon feels illegal

You can just plop it onto any build if you have mana to spare

[proven orbit]

On high fears you kinda dont, and the weapons still benefit differently from it unless you trying to pry shields off

[tender anvil]

Another Hot Take - Meli Skulls is the second strongest aspect behind Momus atm. Mana agnostic Power weapons are king.

[sly plaza]

Not too hot a take I think. The skull in general is really strong

Like once you get around the fact that your attack is a hades 1 basic cast you quickly realize how good its base damage is across the board

[tender anvil]

It also benefits immensely from Mynt Condition due to how frontloaded the damage is

[plain fossil]

Static shock is pretty bad unless ur playing a zero mana build

-50 mana with arrogance2 is game losing

[proven orbit]

Despite that I still somehow end up with slowest runs on skull 💀

The damage is good but something feels amiss

[plain fossil]

I played zero mana mel skulls a few times i found it bit hammer reliant on +2 skulls

[tender anvil]

I just did a 45 where I found +2 skulls from Echo. So it’s way less reliant on useful hammers than Blades or Axe

[plain fossil]

Well blades has like 57 useful hammers so it doesnt miss often, but yea sure that lowroll possibility is a reason to dislike pan

[tender anvil]

But I agree that +2 skulls is a huge powerup

[plain fossil]

I am also a fan of 0 mana setups at high fear

Ive been trying with everything possible, some more successfully than others lul

Dont play 0 mana axe, im out here doing these trashcan things so u guys dont have to

[tender anvil]

Another problem with Pan is Erebus - you really struggle with damage early on and need a god keepsake to have a chance, while Skulls can just go pew-pew with Antler

[haughty depot]

Blades are kinda nice at strike spam

[tender anvil]

I did both Pan and Meil skulls 45, and Pan took like 10x attempts

[plain fossil]

Im currently trying zero mana mel skulls for 32 surface

Polyphemus is a jackass

[sly plaza]

Blades definitely do a good job at a no mana run imo. Even if it’s as simple as going Mel blades into the backstab hammer

Because you get the luxury of being able to take the prime mana and no starting mana fear oaths like you would with Momus

Which in turn is just free fear plus an easy bonus damage activator

[plain fossil]

Blades and axe definitely worst two weapons to zero mana with, though axe is worse because the animations are just yeah

[tender anvil]

Melee is a lot less safe though, both Momus and Skulls are a lot more survivable from my experience

[proven orbit]

Skulls play melee for the most part, though they are safer than a stereotypical melee

[plain fossil]

Uh yea u can take that as a given everyone in the room is aware and its true for all zero mana setups. The problem with zero mana blades in my experience is that its a) melee and b) the damage isnt as good as other zero mana setups

[plain fossil]

This mel skulls build plays at mid screen

Ur not some medea build jammed up mobs anus

[proven orbit]

I don't know how you would play at mid screen without running out of skulls in 1 second

[tender anvil]

With Antler + Spiteful Strength you are flinging 1k damage skulls, so the gameplay is kinda shotgunny - kill closest enemy at midrange, move to pick up skulls, kill next enemy at mid range.

[proven orbit]

Well, I know one way but I refuse to believe its the actual argument

[plain fossil]

U just kill everything then pick up skulls after, mel skulls do stupid damage

[sly plaza]

Antler and Skull is so funny tbh

[plain fossil]

Just dont click blue shields or u cant do anything lulw

[sly plaza]

Love the setup so much

[bleak night]

Axe and Skulls just heavily struggle against blue hearts

[tender anvil]

Yeah, I think 48 is the realistic Fear cap for it

[proven orbit]

Now that you say it I should try playing 0 mana moros and just grab every zeus boon

[sly plaza]

I can’t wait to see what the max heat runs will look like at release and what will be H2’s golden goose (Zeus shield equivalent). RN it’s probably Momus but I wonder how nutty those hidden aspects will be

Or what the last weapon is for that matter

[tender anvil]

Which is still higher than most other aspects can achieve. Speaking for human level players, not some prodigies out there

[proven orbit]

Human level players stop at 32 smh

[plain fossil]

I played zero mana eos alrdy i might try moros but regardless of setup that weapon has actual toilet level qol

[sly plaza]

The torches are just weird

Like I don’t know how else to describe them. They feel weird

[proven orbit]

For me it's lack of interactivity when you dash mostly

[tender anvil]

I’m pretty mid tbh, I just love strategizing. Hades 2 has so so much better Fear system though, I hated the H1 “limiting your choice with RNG” vows

[proven orbit]

you can't charge omegas right after dash, you don't get dashstrike, just yike

[tender anvil]

Which naturally pushes me to attempt higher and higher fear, without stupid arbitrary elements

[proven orbit]

hardship strengthens the bond

[proven orbit]

whatever you do, don't try onion

[past salmon]

Yeah honestly Mel skulls would probably be one of the contenders for a max fear weapon if it weren't for blue
It still might but idk Momus go brrr

[plain fossil]

Im an onion enjoyer

I play a lot of surface so my last 20 runs have had onion on

[past salmon]

Same

[bleak night]

Nerf Momus into the ground please

[past salmon]

Yes please

[tender anvil]

45+ kinda needs it. But onion is much much better than less options - there are ways to play around it with Arcana setup

[proven orbit]

ig on surface it makes a bit more sense because the harvest is bountiful there

[past salmon]

I used onion for my first 32
It wasn't a good idea but it honestly wasn't that bad?

[tender anvil]

Onion becomes a problem mainly when you need to do 5 min Erebus

[haughty depot]

Fear numbers are kinda strange on some vows

[sly plaza]

Ngl I kinda adore how the fear system makes hunting for certain boons like duos easier in the case of vow of forsaking

Never knew how much I would enjoy thining out a boon pool like that until I realize how easy Poseidon and Hestia setups became

[past salmon]

I mean it was the same in h1

[merry flint]

calisthenics program

[past salmon]

Yeppers

[merry flint]

office yoga session at the house of hades

[wild pine]

Sort of. I believe that in Hades 1, gains from poms were rarity-agnostic, and in Hades 2 they are rarity-scaling, so they're worse at common but better at high rank.

[proven orbit]

poms are rarity-scaling in H2? Never noticed

they are certainly agnostic in H1, yes

[sly plaza]

That is a pretty interesting change tbh

[haughty depot]

I'm so glad we have rarify

[split glen]

we should be able to commonify if we're oathing arrogance

[wild pine]

I could be mistaken. I was shocked recently when I pommed a heroic aphro spesh and got like +50% going from level 1 to level 2. (went from like +200% to +250% IIRC) I thought I remembered getting only like +20% from pomming the common version (80% to 100%), but maybe common does go from 80 to 130?

[zenith bolt]

doesnt common aphro special start at 100

80% is the attack

[spare kite]

No yeah, +20% first pom is attack

+50% is special

[tender anvil]

Today I learned: apparently The Huntress only works for normal attacks/specials, not omegas

[wild pine]

This is true of anything that says it improves your "attack" or "special" instead of "attacks" or "specials"

[tender anvil]

Thanks for clarification! Turns out that “s” is quite impactful!

[tall notch]

i guess Momus mains don't need to know game mechanics to do 50 fear

[zenith bolt]

i mean tbf it took me a good like 100 some hours to notice

it's not exactly an in-your-face piece of information

[nova cairn]

What is the commonly accepted "best" aspect rn?

[zenith bolt]

momus

high safe damage from room 1

click one button 3000 times to win the game

[tall notch]

Momus

[nova cairn]

I just cleared ||20 fear|| using thanatos and oh my GOD that build was ridiculous, spin 2 win baby

[zenith bolt]

dont need to spoiler tag in here

[nova cairn]

I see, I see Momus goes crazy then

oh fair lmao

I also think that pan is insane with certain boons, love demeter boons in this game actually

[zenith bolt]

pan is probably 2nd place

[nova cairn]

I'll have to level and try momus some more tbh

[tall notch]

In my totally unbiased opinion Eos is good too

[nova cairn]

haven't really used it

[onyx trench]

name checks out

[nova cairn]

I also really like Eos icl, it's cool and unique

[tall notch]

But unironically, I'd put Eos somewhere in top5 for general fear pushing

[onyx trench]

Getting used to the torch aspects is hard. I like Moros and Eos conceptually, but the attack on the torches is just…man.

[nova cairn]

is persephone bugged or does it just suck

[bleak night]

Glory just takes too long to generate

[wild pine]

Neither. It's very poorly explained, and good for different reasons than you would think.

[nova cairn]

not a fan of either skull aspects tbh

[zenith bolt]

it just takes forever to charge glory

[nova cairn]

oh?

[bleak night]

Medea's fun when you get the gameplay loop down

[zenith bolt]

people just use persephone as a stat stick because woo +30% omega damage

[nova cairn]

My fave is definitely axe rn, thanatos aspect my absolute beloved

SPEEeEeEeEen

[bleak night]

[nova cairn]

we also don't actually HAVE the last weapon do we? there's an empty space

also I can't wait for the rest of the surface run

[proven orbit]

woosh woosh woosh woosh woosh everything is either dead or fleeing

[zenith bolt]

6th weapon is TBD

oh there's an actual emote now

[bleak night]

Oh did they make that an emote now lol

[proven orbit]

Yeah

[bleak night]

neat.

[proven orbit]

And then I continue typing omega anyway because it's faster

still a welcome addition for clearer text

Fun Moros fact of the day: if you rotate around your target clockwise, it is easier to line up your shots on the currently spinning special

[wild pine]

Okay so the glory bar charges up pretty slowly but lasts until you use an omega special, even between chambers. But while the description implies that glory is an on-or-off buff that should only trigger when the bar is filled, giving you a super-long dash, actually using the omega special expends however much charge you have to give you a dash extension based on how much charge you stored. So if you use the omega special frequently you'll keep spending your juice for minimal benefit.

Also it seems like it might scale on actual damage dealt rather than hits, or something? IDK. It seems to charge way faster in the real game and faster deeper in a run than it does against skelly. Maybe it is just per-hit and it's because of AoE and triggered boons.

Anyway even if you never use glory the always-on passive Omega damage is nice. That's a flat +30 for your omega spesh and like +100 for Moon-omega-cast. So you can take Zeus or APollo cast, drop it for big damage and zoom around being invuln while the cast kills everyone.

@nova cairn

[zenith bolt]

it scales based on damage dealt

[proven orbit]

As far as I am concerned it charges up per ~5k damage

[wild pine]

Eos just clicked for me last night. I already had heat 20 clears on it, in which I'd have said it felt weird and not good. But then suddenly it made sense to me.

Born Gain is life-changing though. I'd say it's the simple most important boon to make Eos enjoyable to use and well-worth forcing with your erebus trinket unless you're going to run out of time without an immediate damage buff.

[shadow marsh]

My biggest issue with Moros aspect is that attacks just kinda... stop when they hit other ones. They should bounce off each other a little bit instead of stopping all momentum. it makes them feel super insubstansial.

[proven orbit]

I usually don't let many attacks linger when playing moros but that meets the opposite problem: flying right past enemies and detonating half a screen away

[tall notch]

ONE OF US

[spare kite]

Eos is some of the most fun I had ngl

There's something about seeing the dozens of ghosts return towards your enemies lmfao

[proven orbit]

Gotta wonder how bad of an idea would be to put pos attack on torches

[tall notch]

It's playable

[zenith bolt]

probably would still be functional i guess

[tall notch]

Esp if you stack charge speed

[zenith bolt]

pos attack fluid gain eos isn't the worst setup you could use on it? strictly inferior to hera of course but it's variety ig

[tall notch]

Also you get HAHA YES

[wise nest]

The feeling of hitting haha yes on a tart triple pom >>>>>>

[nova cairn]

Okay so what boons are generally considered "best" for torches?

[zenith bolt]

on eos, born gain

[proven orbit]

I'm a thunder flourish enjoyer

[wild pine]

There are three non-obvious maneuvers with Eos that make it faster and more satisfying to play: the Perma-channel, the Bunny Charge, and the Eos Slide.

• Perma-channel. The wind-up to start your omega-attack is really frustrating if you have to do it many times per encounter. The necessity to spam a bunch of normals to get into your omega also makes builds more confusing because many effect benefit only one or the other. For a while I found the omega so annoying to use that I was just going manaless and relying on normal attacks with huntress, poseidon, chain lightning and running it like a very very poor man's Momus. This is good enough to clear 20+ heat but it feels bad.

The trick is that with some combination of Born or Fluid Gain, deep mana pools, Clean Candle, or a Chaos Talent, you can actually just hold left click through entire encounters. Even between waves just keep tossing ghosts out there, so as soon as the enemies come in you can recall a pile of ghosts to end them. As long as you can avoid all the hits with just dashes and don't need to actually sprint, you can spam omegas forever.

• Bunny Charge. Your projectiles don't fly very fast, and their max range on the way out isn't that big. You will need to repeatedly close distance when switching targets to take down new enemies. This can be pretty annoying because every time you start sprinting you recall any shots which you had on the way out already. Also the further away from the enemies you are, the long it takes to kill them because of the travel time on your outgoing shots and because of difficulty controlling the trajectory of your returning shots. The solution is to to aggressively hop towards your enemies whenever it is safe to do so so that as soon as one enemy falls you can pivot to another one without having to stop channel to sprint toward them. When you start noticing that dash toward an enemy right before shooting means they die before attacking, saving you from needing to dodge.

You will start to enjoy Eos

[zenith bolt]

ive had some decent success with zeus special on mel torches, though there are a decent few good picks for it

[zenith bolt]

romantic spark + zeus special can be incredibly funny

[haughty pine]

I kinda like Aphrodite on Eos as well, cause the best way to guarantee the balloon that come back hit the enemy is to dash behind them, so you’ll trigger it anyway

[zenith bolt]

unfortunately i dont have a video on hand but it's quite nice

[haughty pine]

And she has the best multipliers, literally hits like thousands per balloon

[wild pine]

• Eos Slide: If you stack enough sprint speed you can outpace your returning shots for a long time and re-use them against surprisingly out of the way targets. Using clock directions, if you've just fired off a bunch of shots at 12 o clock, and you have let's say Nitro Boost and Apollo Dash, you may well be able to sprint all the way behind an enemy at 4 o clock and drag your old ghosts through them.

[proven orbit]

Initially I thought aphro is best fit on Moros as well, but too few shots actually seem to detonate in range for it to consistently work. Demeter was a neat replacement because it added a lot of stopping power and guaranteed debuff for origination

[little summit]

this, as soon as i started roleplaying as a train eos clicked

[wild pine]

I also quite like Dire Candle on Eos but that might just be a personal problem

[zenith bolt]

my quick eos notes

• born gain my beloved (omega attacks are like triple the damage of not and obviously have all the perks of being omegas e.g. charging hexes, benefitting from omega damage % boosts, etc.)
• you can dash and cast while channeling omega attack (do note, having a target cast such as lightning lance causes your cast to break channel)

[haughty pine]

Split Fire is also amazing on Eos, it quite literally doubles your damage

[wild pine]

I might have to see video of this. I generally find that I can only tag a particular target with one of the two return streams.

[little summit]

yeah same i found it less successful than i hoped

[zenith bolt]

if you dash into your target to make the ghosts return, you can hit them with both sets of returning ghosts

[little summit]

being able to move in either direction and pull half back through easily works but hitting both felt awkward

yeah that works but dashing into an enemy tends to hurt

[haughty pine]

Yeah it’s more against bosses I suppose, but it’s insanely strong against fewer enemies

[little summit]

big bosses

[proven orbit]

Not really, you get iframes for the attack you intend to dodge, and then they remain peaceful for a while

[haughty pine]

Idk, it worked well on all of them for me, melted away Chronos incredibly fast

[little summit]

i found chronos a pain just because certain moves limit movement quite a lot

stupid time bubbles and one shots

but fair, ill try that next time i get the hammer

[proven orbit]

Chronos is a pain in general tbf 😅

[little summit]

good point

[zenith bolt]

chronos and his 36000-46800 HP

actually that kinda puts into perspective vow of dominance

10k more hp on chronos

[little summit]

nothing a good old aspect of charon nuke wont fix

[haughty pine]

I feel like he gets a lot easier when you get used to him tbh. If you can get through the first phase you are definitely good to go. Though if you take attack speed fears he gets kinda annoying I guess, at 40% for example you pretty much need to go for the safe zone instantly

[zenith bolt]

shrimply iframe it

[little summit]

the main issues with the fight imo are just communication and poor interactions

[proven orbit]

Praying to my god and savior panic dashing to protect me from all harm

[little summit]

the colour telegraphing can be annoying to learn or even notice

[zenith bolt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/362939825000677377/1244860988545564743/instakill_iframe.mp4?ex=665beca4&is=665a9b24&hm=6a026a9eb10c31d06f195443ec6fab0f055851de69c79fcd30bdabaf3484e237&

[little summit]

and stuff like time bubbles or other attacks on the one shot safe zone is just pure bs

[cursive ruin]

Does the upgrade from experimental hammer remain if you remove the keepsake?

[zenith bolt]

yeah

[cursive ruin]

Hmm.. not sure if its worth equipping after scylla then removing after cerberus

[proven orbit]

For what its worth, any of his main attacks (swing, dash, scythe throw), I always take a wild guess and am physically incapable of discerning them aside from common patterns (always 2 scythe swings if first one happens, 3 moves total)

[haughty pine]

Yeah. Also lasts until Chronos if you equip it before the fields of mourning

[little summit]

im actually finding that telegraphing not too bad now tbh, most of the stuff i think is just design issues rn is 2nd phase

[cursive ruin]

Hmm.. aight ill think abt it.. the upgrade being random doesnt exactly fill me with confidence

[tall notch]

P2 overlaps are hilarious

[haughty pine]

I think phase 2 can get a bit too visually busy

[zenith bolt]

scythe swing he holds his scythe with both hands to his right and then swipes
charge he pulls in his arms before charging
scythe throw he holds his scythe with one arm out to his left

[proven orbit]

Nothing like dodging hourglass minions with 3 projectiles each, hourglass arrow, inward circles, and chronos himself

[tender anvil]

Chaingun goes brrr!

[tender anvil]

45 Eos when?!

[tall notch]

Well I'm on a vacation rn, grind put on hold

You can do it though!

[tender anvil]

It’s on my list, but I cba grinding for a clean candle start, which seems necessary to last until you can pick up born gain, considering you kinda have to take onion at 45

You can help me strategize though!

[slate pecan]

i have an idea that might help

[tender anvil]

For 45 Eos I’m thinking skipping 5 min timer, 0 mana start and one level of revenants, Hera keepsake and Clean Candle start

[tall notch]

I could do 46 without onion if I shave time off Erebus

My 43 was on pace for other regions' 5 mins but Erebus was 6 mins

[tender anvil]

Artificing room 2 to hopefully get Born Gain room 3

[tender anvil]

Erebus kinda IS the 5 min run killer

[slate pecan]

or you could try starting silver wheel and hope/spam reroll for hera for born gain

[proven orbit]

You can't reroll whichever stuff you artifice, right?

[bleak night]

Erebus in 40+ fear is hellish

[slate pecan]

i was thinking about silver wheel + the unseen arcana card start for Pan 50 fear

tried it. it's really hard because even though you can use your omega special you're still very slow. i think it's possible though, i've reached Hecate

[tender anvil]

Think unseen is too slow, you skip likes of Charon or Artificer for it, will need extremely good room rng to make Erebus

[slate pecan]

then just silver wheel and don't take vow of panic. the unseen was just to get me started using omega

[proven orbit]

Unseen really feels like a 3 grasp arcana at best to me

[tender anvil]

My 45 Pan had both, Charon for mid shop boon and artificer fired 3 times in Erebus for onion mitigation and more oopmh to kill Hecate

[nova cairn]

As for chronos I definitely think he's harder than hades by a decent margin at least at first, his attacks are brutal

[proven orbit]

Both bosses attacks are brutal, heh. I suppose chronos has slightly easier time zoning and reaching you

[tender anvil]

With silver wheel chances of making both Poseidon and Hera are very slim, will need many runs for a proper god pool

[bleak night]

I can only do 45 with Charon and Than for some reason

I tried with Momus and Pan and I guess I just don't resonate with the playstyle well enough to do it in 5min/area

[proven orbit]

The axe devotion is unreal

[nova cairn]

Also with arcana, is the card that gives you +5 after every boss worth taking or should I just build with whatever amount I can and ignore that

[bleak night]

I did do Momus 45, but it's the weapon doing the work rather than me

[zenith bolt]

judgment bad

im too lazy to list the reasons rn. judgment bad

[slate pecan]

i realise. it's a trade off i was willing to make - either this or repeatedly lose DDs in first 2-3 rooms and clear them painfully slow. With silver wheel and unseen at least i can utilize an early hammer if i get one

[proven orbit]

Generally a bait pick because you don't control what you take and you want all your cards in Erebus to start off smooth

[tender anvil]

Meli skulls is pretty easy

[nova cairn]

Its also just the get hit by slash get hit by the leftover one

[bleak night]

I saw your build, I might give it a shot with Spiteful Strength and Heph support boons

[nova cairn]

Man. 😔🤘

[tender anvil]

I even think a seeded 50 is possible, with +2 shells start

[nova cairn]

It seems so cool

[bleak night]

I'll exit my Charon spam phase before I start trying more stuff with Skulls, I'm enjoying it too much rn lol

[tender anvil]

Looking forward to seeing you succeed! I’m done with Pan for now, 45 was extremely stressful, don’t think I have it in me to push it further

[sly plaza]

Pan at 45 in general sounds absolutely harrowing

[tender anvil]

Charon 45 is on my list! Do you by chance have a video of your clear? Triple earth build?

[sly plaza]

Even with a strong start

[zenith bolt]

triple earth sounds like it would be Not Good on charon

[quiet axle]

Found a super broken build:

1. Use discordant bell keepsake (+1% dmg per encounter) the ENTIRE RUN.
2. Go Demeter for freeze cast & Course Grit (max 15 dmg taken).

You end up over 30% extra damage, but can only ever take 15dmg per hit.

With Charon Axe + Freeze cast you rarely get hit.

Also, Course Grit allows you to ignore Chronos mechanics that do the 999 dmg. Just spam yer axe during his long cast that does 999 dmg outside of the circle.

[proven orbit]

Just do no arcana instead of timer

[zenith bolt]

apollo double earth is maybe more workable?

torrential downpour over glorious disaster

still get cg because artemis hermes carry

[tender anvil]

Eh, you go spiteful strength for omega special, and skip cast boons altogether (unless you can get demeter, but that’s just icing on the cake)

[proven orbit]

Coarse grit is the broken part. I reckon there are plenty of ways to match the output of discordant bell with smart keepsake swapping, especially early on

[bleak night]

I don't particularly record my runs since I take breaks if I can help it, but I went Hera on Special + Born Gain, Apollo on the Cast and Zeus with Lightning Lance, I ran Hera Keepsake (found Apollo in Erebus) -> Silver Wheel (I didn't have Born Gain yet) -> Experimental Hammer -> Metallic Teardrop

[cursive ruin]

Ok i know i frequently slander skulls but damn.. hera special feels so good

[bleak night]

Experimental Hammer didn't give me what I needed, so kind of a waste

[zenith bolt]

so glorious disaster? or just solar ring and ball

[bleak night]

Solar Ring and Sudden Cleaver luck

[tender anvil]

45 with no sudden cleaver? Damn you are good!

[zenith bolt]

seems legit

[bleak night]

already had Sudden Cleaver, was going for the one that lets me do 50% more damage for 15 seconds on block

[zenith bolt]

empowering guard iirc

[tender anvil]

Ah, I see. Is it really that big of a boost? My charon playstyle is very spammy, purposefully triggering a block seems like a bit of a time sink

[zenith bolt]

% cast damage isn't that common

and empowering guard is % global iirc so it's pretty big

[bleak night]

It certainly helps considering a single block empowers you for a long period of time, plus I had like 2 Atlas Braids because of the 2 Guardian encounter duration boost

[tender anvil]

I see, makes sense

[bleak night]

also, apparently I swapped my Hera Special for Zeus special, probably from when I bought the boon in the shop

[cursive ruin]

I almost always try to block someth when tryna do my charon special.. i feel like not doing it usually results in me getting hit by someth when doing the actual special.. good for tough trade stonks ig

[bleak night]

since it's on the last slot when I check the run history

[tender anvil]

Was it with 5 min timer?

[bleak night]

I barely went over, but yeah

20:04

[tender anvil]

Skipping blue shields, revenants and 0 mana start, I assume?

[bleak night]

impossible otherwise, yeah. You need that mana unless you know the seed and can start Silver Wheel https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1246461163655659563/image.png?ex=665c78eb&is=665b276b&hm=0705565503f8a40d5838112dca05454c9eda24da221f648e9397f3015851f939&

why did it fail to embed

nvm that's just on my end

[tender anvil]

Got it, cheers. Took exact same vow for Pan, and it was my plan for Charon as well

[proven orbit]

Frinos my boi

[tender anvil]

@bleak night btw, what is the Charon burst / Local Climate interaction? Is it just +% damage?

Meaning, when blowing it up with special, not when channeling manually

[bleak night]

Bis has a video of a run on it, but basically it's just you running around with Local Climate'd Zeus Cast, with Blitz on Special and Dem Attack

you tap the special and the Cast instantly procs it

[tender anvil]

Yeah, this one I know

[bleak night]

it's by no means a super high fear build, but it seems much better for clearing quickly compared to the normal Charon playstyle, you can do 5/area on 32

[bleak night]

burst? Like, the Cleave-Cast ?

[tender anvil]

Yeah, cleave-cast

[bleak night]

No clue, since you never really Special on it

[tender anvil]

So normal cast + omega special

[bleak night]

you just run around swinging and walking up to tap uncharged Special to put Blitz

It's kinda funny, honestly

[tender anvil]

Cleave Cast gets other perks from omega cast boons

[tender anvil]

I saw the vid, yeah

[bleak night]

I'm unsure then, I don't run Local Climate and play the usual way

Maybe I should give it a go, but untested in my case for now

haven't really done 32 on it, yet

I mostly run it on 10-mid 20s since I enjoy the playstyle

[tender anvil]

I’ll try it now, got the choice in Erebus, hence the question

[bleak night]

Are you doing it in 45 atm ?

Wouldn't recommend it much, but worth a shot

[tender anvil]

Yeah, no sudden cleaver so might as well try

[bleak night]

Ah, unfortunate

[tender anvil]

Well, the result are:

• if done as cleave cast, extra damage is there, homing does nothing
• if done as omega cast, omega special doesn’t proc it

Still, damage is damage but I think i’d rather get arctic/gale early on. Later on it’s a bit better, plus it’s an earth boon.

[bleak night]

Is it still feasible to run Spiteful on something like this, you think ?

[sour cape]

I like idea of running Hestia Duo and AQ for this build

[timber pawn]

Oh ya, sorry just saw this, could have answered. Local climate does benefit normal charon playstyle, as you found out

[tender anvil]

I did 40 Charon with Spiteful quite comfortably, even while getting Sudden Cleaver at the tail end of the run. So I think 45 Spiteful with an early Sudden Cleaver is viable

With good rng you can even get spiteful in Erebus while sacrificing basically nothing ( you want both Born Gain and Trusty Shield anyway)

[gilded tiger]

Does Charon work with the + % damage to enemies in cast? or does the special detonating the cast happen before the bonus damage?

[tender anvil]

It does work, special damages before cleave cast proc

[gilded tiger]

noice, ta

[timber pawn]

These starts make me so happy because I know I'll win. Pretty rare though imo

[tender anvil]

Make sure to also get The Moon arcana while running Charon, i might be wrong but for me it boosts both the omega special and omega cast

[sour cape]

Dang that sounds like living the dream 👀

[tender anvil]

Well, you kinda need such rng to make 45+. Not to maximum extend, but you want spiteful at least by the Syrens

[timber pawn]

Fair point

I once barely lost a 32 run with eos torches to the timer on Chronos. I never got spiteful, or any other attack boon lol

[tender anvil]

Forsaking kinda makes it really easy. You get it naturally while going triple earth

I once got screwed on Pan, when I had to pick between two useless duos (spiteful and +1 keepsakes), which tanked my mana to the point even Born Gain couldn’t save me

[sour cape]

Yea that is rough, duos reserve a lot

Wish Duos were just commons 😔😔

[timber pawn]

It was triple earth just horrific rng

[tender anvil]

I run triple earth on everything, basically. Pan just doesn’t want spiteful, as it’s running Poseidon special

[onyx trench]

when we say triple earth

[tender anvil]

Ah, you mean on your Eos run. That’s rather uncommon, you should be pretty much guaranteed to see it by 5th-6th Hera/Heph boon.

[onyx trench]

we mean earth flavored boons, like Hera’s yes?

[timber pawn]

Correct, specifically dem hera heph setups

[tender anvil]

Yeah, Hera+Heph+Demeter

[onyx trench]

I use Hera because I believe every single one of hers are earth

she’s so real for that

[tender anvil]

Heph is funny, as his fire boons are quite bad, while earth ones are some of the best on the game

[onyx trench]

I’ve never thought about aiming for infusions to push high heat. So triple earth is one, to aim for Hera and Demeter’s infusions (as well as Heph I assume). what other infusions would be worth investing in?

[tender anvil]

When you’re going into Tartarus with 10+ seconds Mynt Condition, Demeter Shield, then 20 armor from Trusty Shield while souped up with Coarse Grit, you know you’re gonna have a good time

You can even add Engraved pin for true absurdity, if you’re safe on the timer

[proven orbit]

Lame answer, but it really depends. Air Quality is awesome if you have many small hits to buff. Wily Wisps is never bad, albeit might be mediocre in the grand scheme of things. Martial Arts is good

All boils down to whether you pick enough gods/core boons eligible to grab the infusion elements

[onyx trench]

What about Hestia’s? That adds on raw attack and special power for every fire boon you have. Worth it, or is air quality better there?

[proven orbit]

That was slow cooker, right? Should be decent too

[onyx trench]

The Hermes infusion is probably decent for the flat 20% boost, but that’s really only doable if you get a chaos boon or lucky with narcissus

[white steppe]

do people run the mana regen arcana on charon? erebus feels godawful without, I get like 3 specials out and all of a sudden no damage

[bleak night]

nope, early on I rely on swings since the damage is enough to get you through

only use the mana up on blasts when large amounts of foes are clumped up, and even then you can just swing at them

[white steppe]

what do you do on hecate lol

just the slowest clear ever?

[sour cape]

Yea Charon really needs mana

Pray for Chaos mana is nice

And Hecate if no mana and no attack is just 💀

[onyx trench]

reroll city

[tender anvil]

Hera Keepsake to get Born Gain prior to Hecate

[sour cape]

Also dont take chaos boon for lose hp on attack if no mana

I start Apollo

and just greed and cry if no mana by Hecate

[white steppe]

dawg wym hera keepsake then you dont have a cast lul

[proven orbit]

Chaos keepsake gambling estate?

[onyx trench]

speaking of Erebus, it feels so bad to get like 5 ashes rooms in a row. Is Artificer worth it to get powered up early on?

[sour cape]

sure!

When I see chaos gate, time to prayge

[proven orbit]

One problem with keepsake is that erebus is too long so that mana gamble will reroll by hecate

[sour cape]

Yea dont take chaos in Erebus

[proven orbit]

Could be, but you can't control what you get so you might add gods you don't want

[sour cape]

I mean pray for good rng on chaos gate

[onyx trench]

just reroll for light of ixion :))))

[onyx trench]

Fair, but isn’t that true for every god you get that isn’t your first keepsake god?

[proven orbit]

Well, if you see the gate, you can reroll it. Can't do that with arti transform

I certainly value rerolls enough to spend 12 grasp on them, just makes build construction pleasant

Not that I had much else to put that grasp into

[sour cape]

Strength and Artificer are good 😎

[proven orbit]

Have strength already Only missing arti and lovers basically

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/793513270912745541/1246482716585885817/image.png?ex=665c8cfe&is=665b3b7e&hm=6c9edf596c7661c158b2d6e72560805440b79ad84f0f6ccc32404f6438924811& Certainly a bit messy, but it do what it does

[sour cape]

Lovers a lot of value 😭

[acoustic sleet]

Fire Extinguisher is so much fun once you learn that it's burst of damage is % scaled by well, all your % damage increases. boom

[sour cape]

Also no Sorc 👀

[proven orbit]

I agree but if I pick lovers over strength I have dead 3 grasp and strength feels stronger even unupgraded

[proven orbit]

tbf I ran 0 mana torch so

[sour cape]

Well tbf, the scorch ticks are also scaled by generic dmg inc

[proven orbit]

there is a case to be said for the furies, of course

[sour cape]

Also no furies 👀

[proven orbit]

20% damage nothing to scoff at if enough attention span to drop casts

[sour cape]

Yea and scales to 30%

[proven orbit]

I feel like I only remember to do so when against scylla and cerberus

[sour cape]

For 2 grasp also good value

I always keep Chronos in cast too

[proven orbit]

Yeah, it's one of my favorites indeed

[sour cape]

and for cast builds ofc

or Pan

[proven orbit]

I would subjectively rank the cards on the image altogether but it'd be too one-dimensional outside of like 5 obvious picks

[sour cape]

Yea Death Defiance is always picked 😂

[proven orbit]

wayward son (w/o vow of scars III), titan, huntress, origination, eternity

lovers, strength

[sour cape]

I dont always use Huntress

It doesnt affect Omegas or Poseidon splashes

[proven orbit]

There are cases when huntress doesn't work but it's far and inbetween

[sour cape]

True I swap between Huntress and Moon depending on weapon

[proven orbit]

wayward son doesn't work when you are too good at the game either yet here we are

[sour cape]

Waywards a lotta value for 1

[proven orbit]

Yeah, it saves so much resources in long run

[sour cape]

yep!

[proven orbit]

for measly 1 grasp that you might need for centaur anyway

since I don't fancy swift runner and sorceress, while powerful, can be skipped sometimes

[sour cape]

I got that tree but run Sorc, Furies and Lovers over Strength 😭

Might run Strength over boatman but rerolls are nice

[proven orbit]

If that's of any consolation, that's exactly what I ran before

Decided to try strength for a change

[sour cape]

actually Strength could be better than the starting gold and rerolls

still get 7 rerolls doing like that

[proven orbit]

Ye, can't give up 4 rerolls even if boatman vs vow means just 1 boon of value

although... maybe 10 rerolls IS too much

[sour cape]

Seer is 3 I think

[proven orbit]

Nope, 4 at max

[sour cape]

Oh

[proven orbit]

the two others are 3 each

[sour cape]

I see

Oh well 6 good enough maybe

[proven orbit]

Could be worth a shot

[sour cape]

just get lucky 🙏

[proven orbit]

I always find myself spending 10, but that's probably because I roll more recklessly than required

like trying to save some of t2 boons from forsaking

[sour cape]

Strengths often extra 30% hp

[full thistle]

hey guys just asking cuz im curious, how many runs did it take for u guys to reach this poiint of the "end" game?

[sour cape]

even if you dont try to get to low life

[proven orbit]

Do you mean the final boss as the "end" game or most upgrades unlocked?

[full thistle]

how about both? but mostly the latter one

[proven orbit]

Well, I saw the final boss at Night #6 (although, it is very much due to prior experience with Hades 1).
As for having a comfortable amount of upgrades, about 70 nights

Although.... keepsakes take a painful amount of time to level up 😅 most of them are at 2 stars rn

[full thistle]

any boons/combos u guys think is good?

[sour cape]

lots of em

All the gods useful for something

[proven orbit]

It's easier to mention ones that aren't good at this point

[sour cape]

My most used are pos, Zeus, Demeter and Apollo,

[full thistle]

then whats not good xd

[proven orbit]

phoenix skin is pretty sad

Waste max hp then go afk to heal up. it could certainly work if you forced it to, but that's 2 hours long run material

[tender anvil]

I’d say Demeter is the best for learning the game - she freezes enemies, allowing you more time/leeway to learn the patterns and get comfortable with gameplay mechanics

[full thistle]

yeah i found demeter to be helpful

poseidon seems more situational

[proven orbit]

poseidon core boons rely on your weapon having higher attack rate and lower base damage, yeah

[full thistle]

and the mage weapon is a bit hard to get used to

[proven orbit]

but they absolutely shred if picked correctly

[tender anvil]

With Demeter, grab the cast if you can - it instantly freezes everything round you, and allows you to pick some stronger attack/special boons

[proven orbit]

Wait, I never realized the demeter cast doesn't need to be omega to freeze stuff. That's actually strong

Since as soon as the cast expires and stops freezing, you can drop another one

Should try that instead of the attack boon someday and pick Hera instead

[bleak night]

if you mean to max them, probs just do meme builds so you keep interested

[full thistle]

is the twin staff the worst? it feels horrible to use even with the upgrades

i like the daggers with a special build/spear with attack to be the smoothest

although ive heard special attack axe is insane too

[bleak night]

Twin Staff ?

Oh, the Torches? They grow on you over time

[full thistle]

yeah the torches

[bleak night]

Spear with attack ?

[full thistle]

i think its more of an omega build with the upgrade

[bleak night]

also the two non-base Axe Aspects are pretty fun to use

[bleak night]

which one is the spear with the attack ?

[full thistle]

the weapon u get at the start, with its first aspect, cant recall its name

[bleak night]

Oh, you mean Staff with the Circe Aspect ?

[full thistle]

yeah i think so, sorry for messing up the names

[bleak night]

huh, people usually don't like Circe. They feel it's underpowered atm

nah, don't be sorry for that lol. I still don't know the names of the arcana sometimes

[full thistle]

i just feel its smooth, and it resembles a lot closer to hades 1 melee gameplay

but twin blades with the special aspect is just nuts

[bleak night]

Yeah, the Pan aspect is one of the best weapon aspects atm

[full thistle]

resembles hades 1 bow, but with melee range instead

[bleak night]

I actually really miss bow gameplay

[full thistle]

what other aspects are good?

tbh, i hated bow a lot, and prefer twin blades a lot mroe

[bleak night]

atm Momus Staff, Pan Blades, Artemis Blades, Thanatos Axe, Charon Axe, Medea Skull and Eos Torches are what people play a lot of

[cursive ruin]

Momus is king.. albeit a little boring

[tender anvil]

Meli Skulls! Why the meli Skulls hate?

[bleak night]

I play it, but I just see more and more people trying Medea and learning to master it is all

also Mel skulls don't really need much investment in resources, since it just uses Silver to upgrade, so no real issue collecting

[cursive ruin]

Wait what does mel skull do?

[slate pecan]

increase power of attack for each missing shell

[cursive ruin]

Ohh

[bleak night]

+20 power per missing shell from being full, so it wants the +2 ammo hammer badly

[full thistle]

and for the upgrades with the with dust, what do u guys reckon are like the best upgrades to take?

[tender anvil]

It’s an actual ranged weapon, unlike Medea

[bleak night]

Oh, the cards ?

[cursive ruin]

Wait just the attack or is it a global dmg bonus?

[full thistle]

yeah the cards

[bleak night]

probably prioritize the Defiance, then from there it's your choice, but I'd like to think the rerolls are nice to upgrade since they change how often you get what you want, build-wise

having 10 rerolls is nice, though steep in grasp. Sometimes I just run 6

[full thistle]

yeah defiance always seems like it

[full thistle]

10 rerolls?

[slate pecan]

Lovers is also good

[bleak night]

Yeah, you can have 10

[steel sequoia]

10 rerolls is the 4 cards from arcana bottom left

[cursive ruin]

Furies is pretty good.. just a straight no nonsense dmg bonus

[bleak night]

true, yeah

[slate pecan]

Lovers isn't so great at first but upgrades nicely

[tall notch]

Lovers is lovely

[full thistle]

oooh maybe i should try to do those

[bleak night]

It depends on the weapon. I do take Furies for Axe all the time, but I don't find myself running it for Skull unless it's Medea, etc. I suppose it depends on what I use my cast for

[full thistle]

so basicly getting green dust is quite important

[bleak night]

what's green dust

[slate pecan]

Psyche?

[bleak night]

Oh, yeah. I always thought it looked more like ectoplasm

[cursive ruin]

Yep if you wanna use it with ranged stuff you want a throw cast.. but then i always get a throw cast for ranged builds anyway

[full thistle]

oops, sorry again

[sturdy fossil]

Good hephastis builds?

[bleak night]

he's not really good to have as your main damage source

Like, his defensive ones are really good, so he's kind of better as someone that brings your build together rather than the core boons

[sturdy fossil]

Hope he gets buffed cuz the sound from his attack and spec is fun

[bleak night]

speaking of attack and spec, try to go for his duo boon with his mother

it's +200% damage to your attack and special if they're boonless

[proven orbit]

That was my plan, yeah

[bleak night]

It's quite fun when you get it early

[proven orbit]

Earlier fears don't need keepsake influence so i could close off remaining testaments and such

[slate pecan]

you could try to get a duo, i think heph - apollo, that makes your blasts from heph boons occur twice if you time it within a short time from when they get off cooldown

no wait apollo heph is different, the one im thinking about it heph hestia. also heph demeter is fun

[quiet axle]

Does anyone know if Chimera Jerky stacks? If I have the 20% Special for the next 2 Guardians, then pick up a 2nd Chimera Jerky, does it add 20% on top?

[jolly vessel]

I found some fun apollo legendary + Charon axe tech, basically after the first omega special, u can plant another cast before the 2nd omega special, idk if it works with the normal cast cuz i used lightning lance

[proven orbit]

It should stack yeah, since its a simple % dmg increase

[merry flint]

mmmm when you get Zeus Chain Lightning and Artemis Support Fire on Momus

bullet hell on a stick

(I then proceeded to get Kings Tide and Killer Current)

[elfin trellis]

is there a meme build for witchs staff that I can try out?

[proven orbit]

Meme that I haven't tried myself yet. Mel staff, poseidon cast, spam cast, get the duo that buffs cast damage per use

Probably will need born gain to feed all that

[queen charm]

had a Mel staff run last night with Storm Ring as the main damage, with Torrential Downpour, an epic Chant from Chaos, and the item that increases omega damage by 50%-I did so much damage to Chronos

shouldve clipped it-my casts were costing 80 magick by the end of that and taking half his health in seconds

[regal talon]

anyone know the most cracked build for staff? im about to run 32 heat and i wanna hear some ideas

[merry flint]

its just

pick momus
pick poseidon special
pray for double moonshot

[regal talon]

bet

[merry flint]

unreal amounts of cracked here

if you have vow of forsaking on

remember to get Crashing Wave and the Slip curse so you automatically get Poseidon Legendary by the end of the run

[regal talon]

ooo

[proven orbit]

Actually I never really checked, is rarity abolished if you run out of boons? Feel like you can still not roll a legendary even if you are about to be offered spare cash

[civic ocean]

You get the legendary

If you're qualified for it

[proven orbit]

Hmm

Well, to be fair its not like my strat will change one bit, but this is mind-calming

[civic ocean]

Yeah look up Snorlax Staff here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/e/2PACX-1vS73iWzIxaOupBwoVUJPjxtmSJEtrlTnLh9GFJzTYblncgPo7Ka1J08JG7r-4k6qEPwOJWH_xfp4al2/pubhtml#

Gamers today is day 1 of the 32 fear volume challenge

[proven orbit]

Volume challenge? I'm all ears (or no ears if it involves going deaf)

[cursive ruin]

I might try to get a 32 fear clear just to see the final statue

[merry flint]

do it now while momus lasts

[regal talon]

clarify for me wym by slip curse? do u mean the status effect?

[merry flint]

yeah

[cursive ruin]

Lol.. yeah and born gain too

[merry flint]

Kings Tide requirements - One of each:
Wave Strike, or Wave Flourish
Slippery Slope
Crashing Wave

so for momus special its Wave Flourish/Slippery Slope/Crashing Wave

if 2 of them are offered at the same time, reroll

[cursive ruin]

I gotta consciously remember to take crashing wave more often

[civic ocean]

Going for 40 32 fear chronos kills on stream, unseeded, then the same for Eris

[regal talon]

do u recommend i use my pos keepsake on region 1?

[merry flint]

yeah obv

[regal talon]

ok bet

[civic ocean]

No Momus no Pan

[proven orbit]

Ah, that's some fine practice, good luck!

[tender anvil]

Do 32 40 fear runs next! What’s your twitch channel, so I can watch the fun?

[tender anvil]

Found it in your profile, nvm

[low bear]

Selene start keeps griefing my runs

[regal talon]

@merry flint another thing, which is better momos or melinoe? i ran with melinoe but alot of people are saying for momos

[merry flint]

Staff MOMUS

[analog ether]

Generally Momus is considered better, because it directly increases your damage

[merry flint]

upgraded preferrably

[regal talon]

i've never ran it, could you explain why it cooks

[merry flint]

when upgraded its a flat +30 to base special damage

in other terms, it boosts your base special damage by a whopping +300%

then you stack poseidon on top of it for more flat damage, then you add in double moonshot to double dps and remove aiming

[proven orbit]

Technically speaking its 4x so it scales with your other stuff too

Origination huntress should be 80 damage pew pews

[regal talon]

dear god my 24 fear build was hella suboptimal

[proven orbit]

Then you slap poseidon with slip on it and go nuts

[analog ether]

And also synergizes really well with the Strength (increased damage and defense when <30% health and Huntress Arcana (increased damage when <100% mana)

[merry flint]

then stack origination (demeter is great because you can proc in a single cast + her curses are top tier) then stack huntress with vow of panic (constantly boosted)

[regal talon]

i primarily used storm ring camping with moonshot

[analog ether]

Because those buffs don't apply to Omega attacks

[merry flint]

also fun fact! if your health is low but you have a gain boon anyways, you can convert mana into health regardless of Vow of Scars

Momus Omega Special blast heals you if you stand in it

so like anytime you're low you can spam it into a wall and get health back

[regal talon]

this is amazing

[merry flint]

but the base special is so strong this part of the weapon is almost an after thought

[analog ether]

I have noticed that the backsplash effect of Poseidon's boons sometimes goes in weird directions.

[long basalt]

Can someone help understand the Aspect of Persephone for the skull?

I don't see any indication anywhere of how much Glory I'm generating or when my max Special is enhanced.

Seems to happen at random.

[merry flint]

the glory is at the bottom it just takes a LOT of damage

[civic ocean]

Glory takes 5000 damage dealt to fully charge, and is expended when you use your omega special.

for each 500 damage of glory you charge up, the gauge next to your health bar charges, and you get another .5 seconds of invulnerability

[long basalt]

At the bottom?

Where on the UI would I see it?

[merry flint]

there's a small circle next to your health bar, similar to circe staff

[tender anvil]

Got a weird idea of a e-sport-ish event:

• Players compete within a total time limit (4 hours+)
• Start with a savefile with everything maxed (Arcana, Keepsakes, Aspects, etc).
• Score is calculates as the sum of highest fears cleared per weapon within the time period.

Feel like something like this could be fun to drive engagement closer to release of the game. Might be me, but this time around the Fear system is much more accessible, than Heat was in H1.

[civic ocean]

Maybe, esports stuff isn't really my thing, I like competing against myself

[low bear]

Wow 42 heat wasn't even hard with Momus

Fear*

[grand prism]

I recall hearing about the skull's special being really good for some techy thing. Is that a thing?

[runic prairie]

new axe build made by yours truly, take aphrodite poseidon and demeter, have double up for poms, have aphro on attack, and then finally executioners slice and hell splitter for two mega powered final attack chain slices every single hit

[civic ocean]

beast

[old barn]

anyone have tips on how to properly use the Torches? I cant seem to get a good run going with them

[low bear]

Eos and Hera attack and born gain

[civic ocean]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/e/2PACX-1vS73iWzIxaOupBwoVUJPjxtmSJEtrlTnLh9GFJzTYblncgPo7Ka1J08JG7r-4k6qEPwOJWH_xfp4al2/pubhtml Yeah look up Pink Aura here it's a pretty straightforward guide

[low bear]

or Melinoe and Aphro Special is pretty good too charge up 3 specials and stand next to enemies

[old barn]

i might just do that next time they get the thirst

[old barn]

thats gonna be helpful, thanks a ton!!

[low bear]

go for status effects too namely demeter to activate origination. Her cast with freeze is really strong

[old barn]

honestly, it does seem to rely on the special and omega special

when i use it i normally do just spam special, outright ignoring attack, so i thought i might be using it wrong

[low bear]

My main problem with spam special is it doesn't stagger enemies so Demeter can help with freeze/slow but I like using my normals while my omega specials are spinning around me

depending on how much fear you're playing it's not really a problem though

[old barn]

i play low fear cuz im trying to get a consisten win streak going before i actually mess with it

[merry flint]

Hera/Demeter

[tall notch]

Torch attack is good if you play the attack aspect (Eos)

[merry flint]

your primary mode of attack gets Demeter, your secondary gets Hera

[low bear]

ah I see it takes some getting used to but I've come to really like Eos's playstyle

[merry flint]

Demeter freezes them for CC, hera spreads hitch for origination and more CC

and if you can luck into Heph you can gun for their infusion boons

[low bear]

hera also crucially get born gain because Eos's mana expenditure can be quite high

[old barn]

is Heras gain really that good?

[merry flint]

its godlike

[old barn]

i normally aim for Demeters following cast and Apollos gain

[merry flint]

you see your mana bar? its now like over 5 to 10 times longer

[old barn]

oh damn

[tall notch]

You won't have mana for the omega casts

[merry flint]

like say if you have 100 mana and your born gain primes 10 mana, you have an effective mana pool of 550 for that encounter

also another big benefit of born gain is that it restores mana when you don't have enough mana to cast an omega attack

so you're near uninterrupted

and born gain scales with poms and mana pots

[low bear]

Born gain is so good it's likely getting a nerf hammer soon.

[old barn]

thats homestly

really helpful to know

[low bear]

Getting more mp expnentially increases your mana pool too

[civic ocean]

Just watch out not to arrogance your blue bar down too far when playing with fearge

[lusty heron]

@tall notch if we assume borngain gets nerfed into the ground does eos swap to poseidon regen ?

[civic ocean]

Tranquil Gain trust

[merry flint]

Hestia buffs soon 🙏 Hestia gain ftw

[civic ocean]

Hestia surely will not have the gain touched it is like the platonic ideal of a Gain

There's a decent shot that Tranquil gets buffed tho

[low bear]

Hephy gain needs to be buffed too

[merry flint]

no i mean the rest of hestias kit gets buffs so she's worth running more often

[civic ocean]

She's worth running atm :/

[merry flint]

scorch will be top tier 🙏 trust in the process

[low bear]

Are there any aspects where Hestia is even optimal

[civic ocean]

Idk I have a 3 run winstreak at 32 with Hestia+Zeus on Persephone

"Optimal" is a bit hard to quantify

[low bear]

It works sure but I think it's noticably weaker than other options

I guess optimal isn't the right word fair

[civic ocean]

It's really really good at dealing damage without having to hit something, so that's like pretty decent

[low bear]

I assume blitz is doing more work than scorch too

[warped harness]

east is the optimal setup for aq scorch the same as the one in your doc

[civic ocean]

#h2-victory-boasting message here's an example of a run - scorch can really easily end up being the primary damage dealer if you know how to build it

idk what optimal means - I think AQ Scorch is a boss solve, like it beats bosses with any fast-ish scorch applier and AQ

So if your weapon aspect can take like 5-6 boons from Zeus and Apollo/Aph and deal with mobs really well (Storm Ring + Passion Dash for instance), then you can transition into AQ Scorch to handle bosses alongside the rest of the build

[tall notch]

Poseidon/Apollo/Demeter are all kinda playable

Not as good as born gain but playable

[steel sequoia]

lmao controller just arrived, played one momus run with bad rng and already beat my timer https://postimg.cc/xJTFMGYb

[grand prism]

Hephaestus is also very viable, if you play like me. 😎

[civic ocean]

Hephy probably not too bad but tough against bosses

[sour cape]

I woudl disagree his needs to be buffed

Often just incidentally taking dmg is enough mana

and like there are environmental obstacles you can run into for mana

[tall notch]

No Heph gain

😭

[sour cape]

😭

I hate using Dem gain more

[low bear]

I guess because of my fear setup taking damage is big no-no (no healing + 300% damage on hit)

[agile cliff]

@civic ocean just beat my last testament with pink aura, heeeeck yeah. Might use it for my 32 runs for Shelly too

[proven orbit]

Earth trio has trusty shield + winter coat, 2 hits per room permit

[civic ocean]

dont think u gain off of winter coat ye

If heph gain worked if you resisted the hit it would be much better

[sour cape]

You got trusty shield for free!

And Momus/Moros Healing

Plus Coarse Grit, lots of options to enable Hephaestus gain

[low bear]

it's a lot of work to enable a gain plus you don't exactly want to control when you get hit

[sour cape]

Why not?

If you got Suffering you def wanna control getting hit by a small hit rather than a large one

[low bear]

I mean incidental hits sure but getting hit on purpose for mana is dubious for me

what if you run out of mana but you're still able to dodge things well

[sour cape]

Run into some thorns in field

or steam in Oceanus

[proven orbit]

chronos should put golden lego pieces in tartarus for that purpose fr fr

[low bear]

Chronos? And tartarus ones are painful

[sour cape]

Take a hit from his orbs

[low bear]

those orbs are painful

[sour cape]

or Tempus

Orbs do like 10 right?

[low bear]

and you have to wait for him to do those things disruptin your playstyle

not with +100% damage on also what if you still have Lovers effect on

[sour cape]

Or you incidentlaly get hit by Chronos anyways

You got all your DDs to spend on him use them

Cant save them for next run

[low bear]

assuming you have all your DDs intact for Chronos and you're comfy enough to use them for mana regen

[sour cape]

Yea but Hephaestus is really good defensive god too

So you should have a few preserved for Chronos

[proven orbit]

Now the real question... does timer damage count for fixed gain?

[civic ocean]

Just a note in general this discord does not support "just intentionally take damage on Chronos" as a serious means of getting your mana back

[low bear]

I have a lot of scuff runs where I have 1 or 2 DDs down because in early biomes I don't get hephy rightaway

[sour cape]

Maybe not intentionally but I take enough dmg from his stuff to not really worry about OOM

[proven orbit]

Yeah. In my (fairly limited) experience, you either die very painfully in erebus, or you scrape by and pick survive from echo and keep 2-3DDs + tooth

[sour cape]

Plus if you Coarse Grit

[low bear]

and sure fixed gain can work if you jump through hoops but other gains just work

[proven orbit]

echo is the new patty and better than ever

[sour cape]

you intentionally take damage from his one shots

[low bear]

Well yeah Coarse Grit is for a very specific build though and you prolly have Hera on that build

[proven orbit]

tranquil gain 🥶

[low bear]

I'd take Tranquil over Fixed too

[sour cape]

Its not really hoops since often incidental is enough, but there are things to do for more mana. The bigger hoop is Demeter 💀

Id rather Tranquil be buffed than Fixed

[low bear]

Demeter is literally just stand still

you have a lot of down time during the Chronos fight when he's invul or you have room to run away from him

[sour cape]

you need to disengage and stand still each time

[proven orbit]

I wouldn't mind if tranquil gain got nerfed numerically but started as soon as you afk, so that patient dashes mid-combat are rewarded. As it stands, you either gotta exploit enemy weakness, get hit, or spend a lot of time measuring out a fast opening

[sour cape]

and Chronos final phase is often the scariest and few opportunities to be standing still with the tempests and the clock thing

[low bear]

I don't like Tranquil either but I'd take it over Fixed any day of the week

You literally have to stand still for his 1 shot hit

[sour cape]

You could be attacking during that time

[low bear]

njot if he's far way

[sour cape]

Axe can always hit him

as can ranged casts

Or killing some Tempus

[low bear]

well that's better than having to get hit

[fringe lichen]

best special for pan?

[sour cape]

Poseidon I think

[low bear]

Poseidon bar none

[sour cape]

I had good time with Hestia

[grand prism]

Aphrodite with the hera duo is excellent

[sour cape]

But requires getting AQ or its really bad 💀

[fringe lichen]

AQ?

[sour cape]

Air Quality

[silent crow]

air quality so sily

[sour cape]

Zeus infusion

[fringe lichen]

thanks

what are the best pan hammers? spiral knives and the fast and cheap ones?

[civic ocean]

hook knives spiral conc costdown there's tons

[low bear]

it works but not nearly as good as Poseidon imo

[sour cape]

The backstab knife is prob the best

but lots of good hammers

[low bear]

I actually might like faster charge vs. hook knives on Pan now but those are definitely the top 2

[sour cape]

Yea faster charge is great

[civic ocean]

https://clips.twitch.tv/WildLightShrewPermaSmug-KzuxBKT9in5R5ddT I hope they don't change glory too much

[low bear]

the 16 knife one is strong too but requires you to get close and can be wonky in tight spaces. It's so satisfying to see all those daggers dance around and hit enemies though

[proven orbit]

Ngl I keep trying to read it as Air Qonditioning

[civic ocean]

watch his hp bar in the clip lmao

[low bear]

Just don't get Dancing and Hook together if you can help it I think they are bugged or something

[sour cape]

How would Hephaestus gain be buffed?

It already restores a lot of mana per hit 🤔

[low bear]

should be changed imo

[sour cape]

And has an upside unlike all the other mana boons except Aphro

[low bear]

I just don't like the concept of needing to get hit to restore mana

[sour cape]

I kind of like it since it makes you think of health as a resource

[proven orbit]

I don't think it needs a buff for the regular audience anyway

[low bear]

if it didn't take up the gain slot and was a secondary boon then I might like it better

[sour cape]

Winning at 1 life is equivalent to winning at full

[proven orbit]

It is kinda jarring, but doubles down as Bronze skin for runs that don't need mana

[fringe lichen]

wondering whether to risk a DD for a hera and poseidon trial. Pan, red poseidon special, blue born gain, 9 hp

[sour cape]

True its just good for weapons that dont need mana

Id do it

both of those are good ones and Poseidons wrath is fairly easy to dodge

[civic ocean]

giving up like 100+ health over the course of a run because you don't have enough mana is like awful

[sour cape]

Some of that are hits you would have taken anyways

[low bear]

• health is a time resource too for tight deadline having high health for Chronos can be quite important

[sour cape]

so the number of purposeful hits you take is not eeally that much

[civic ocean]

every time ur oom you have to take damage

[sour cape]

Plus doesnt it proc on tight deadline too?

[civic ocean]

so if you oom yourself every tartarus room, you are taking a bunch of damage just in tart itself

[low bear]

I have runs where I have to rush Chronos and my full DDs are being drained by tight deadline but still manage to win by the skin of my teeth

[fringe lichen]

i lost one dd and almost lost the second one lmao

[low bear]

if I had Fixed Gain then I would be well dead

[sour cape]

I dont use Tight Deadline besides the 9 min one

[civic ocean]

Yeah Fixed Gain is just going to lose you runs compared to most other gains

[sour cape]

What gain did you have? Might be dead with Demeters if having to afk for mana

[low bear]

difference in perspective then I guess, at low fear any gain can work sure

[civic ocean]

like you take 9 minute deadline or no deadline just learn to stand tf still for a second

[ionic moon]

maybe change it to take away X health in exchange for mana?

[low bear]

Demeter, having to AFK isn't that bad it doesn't actually take a lot of time

[low bear]

that's just Hestia and her gain is great

[civic ocean]

I guarantee you every room that you're in there are 5-6 seconds of extraneous movement that you do that is just free mana you're passing up on

[ionic moon]

I mean take it as damage, not max life

[low bear]

plus you can stand still when waves are spawning

[fringe lichen]

fixed gain is which one

[ionic moon]

it would be more like born gain

[sour cape]

Hephaestus one

[low bear]

Hephy boon, take damage and get mana in return

so you actually have some down time in normal encounters too since enemies take time to spawn

[sour cape]

I find Dem harder to use at high fear since more enemies and faster

Whereas oftwn gettinf hit more anyways

Heph at low fear i have to intentionally get hit more whereas at high fear it just kinda happens

[low bear]

Plus again Heph's anti synergy with stuff like the Lovers Arcana

[civic ocean]

Yeah I love it when I have to give up all my lovers charges because I'm oom lmao

[sour cape]

I had to do that anyway for Artemis run 💀

[civic ocean]

plus it doesn't work with mint condition so hope you didn't run out of mana for the first like 10-13 seconds of that encounter or you just have no gain at all

[proven orbit]

You guys keep lovers charges before you are out of mana?

[low bear]

and in between waves you have time to stand still before any enemy can get close just sit in the furthest corner, or you freeze/slow

[civic ocean]

winter coat? nitro sprint? Sorry turns off your gain

[sour cape]

Yea that sounds like a good problem to have

if you're keeping those before needing mana

[civic ocean]

Yeah if it takes you three days to finish a run sure

[proven orbit]

Well, I'd give you that, mint condition tranquil gain is a good synergy 😆

[low bear]

Parry still works with Lovers afaik right

[civic ocean]

yes it does

[sour cape]

I know Demeter is used first

[low bear]

getting misses when I'm trying to Parry is really annoying though LOL

[proven orbit]

Suffering from success

You could exploit that by doing the scorch duo of course

[sour cape]

A wins a win

[civic ocean]

Depends on what you're trying to do right

[sour cape]

Maybe if they scaled up Hephs dmg reduction too with levels

since it often gives enough mana at 50

[civic ocean]

If you're trying to kill Chronos at 32 40 times in a month, having each run take over 30 minutes so you can intentionally let stuff hit you to regain mana instead of just learning to sit still for a sec - bad I feel

[low bear]

oh yeah maybe I should try some scroch Artemis build with this

[sour cape]

The Scorch artemis channel is feeling really bugged too with the exploding Hestia thing

Like dashing seems to make the Hestia duo do way more scorch than intended

[analog ether]

Does anybody have an idea of how Corrosion on Sight (Medea boon that causes enemies to lose half their current armor when they spawn) works? Like, is there a delay on when it activates?

[sour cape]

I guess but you can always pick a set of conditions to make anything better than another

[low bear]

my gain ranking is probably: Hera >>> Hestia > Poseidon (build dependent) > Apollo => Demeter > Zeus/Hephy are interchangeable but Zeus can screw you over far more when any sort of priming is involved

[sour cape]

Chiron was one of the slowest and worst heat builds in H1 but considered very strong

[low bear]

is Chiron really considered slow?

[fringe lichen]

trial (poseidon vs aphro) or hermes?

[sour cape]

Speedrun wise its very slow relatively and low heat achieved

[low bear]

Arthur was by the worst for me in 32H for H1

[civic ocean]

When the set of conditions are "I am getting better at the game" it doesn't paint fixed gain in a very good light

[low bear]

speed runs are different from high heat

[sour cape]

Well in either case Chiron ranks low

[low bear]

and high heat (32) is different from very high heat

[sour cape]

Both for speed and high heat

[fringe lichen]

IM SO STUPID
I JUST LOST A DD TO THE DEATH BURST OF THAT ONE OCEANUS DUDE
AND IT WAS THE LAST ENEMY IN THE FIGHT

[sour cape]

If you dont get hit much, surely youd have more hp to spend?

[civic ocean]

Didn't it still clear 32 heat in under 10 minutes

[low bear]

very high sure, but up to 32 I would say Chiron is very strong

[bleak night]

Managed to do a 7 minute surface run on Charon with no Fury2 and while having Wandering on, can't help but think I would've made it 6:30

[sour cape]

It is very strong

[bleak night]

I should try again, actually.

[bleak night]

btw, I see you play AQ

[sour cape]

Yea when I can get it 😭

[civic ocean]

yeah and I'm going to spend it on winning the Chronos fight, not intentionally getting hit during it so I can keep up my damage rotation like ???

[bleak night]

I mean the Artix game lol

[sour cape]

Ohhhh yea I havent for a while haha

[bleak night]

Oh, I see. I just saw it as a mutual server

[low bear]

but anyway incentivizing getting hit is like anti skill design so I just don't like it

[sour cape]

does it really take that much time to intentionally get hit?

[low bear]

it takes HP

[bleak night]

It depends, some builds genuinely enjoying getting smacked

[sour cape]

But you should have plenty if you are good right?

[bleak night]

Hera, Apollo and Heph have boons that give bonuses or deal damage back to enemies when smacked

[sour cape]

Yea and revenge builds

[bleak night]

Hera + Apollo mostly, Zeus' is kinda trash

[civic ocean]

I walk into Chronos with Fixed gain and 80 mana on my Charon aspect. With no mana cost reductions I can use my combo 3 times before having to lose ALL of my lovers charges AND my mint condition AND my winter coat AND take damage

[low bear]

Revenge builds are kinda for the memes

[proven orbit]

Depends on how it's done, really
I don't think fixed gain in particular favors stupidly taking hits most of the time because you'd likely overflow the magick bar anyway

[sour cape]

I imagine like youd also be supporting Fixed Gain for builds where you relying on it. Just like yea if you reserve all your mana except the bare minimum ti use your attack, Born Again is really not good.

Taking lots of hp stacking or Coarse Grits usually given me enough to keep attacking through Chronos hits

[fringe lichen]

am i tweaking or after a certain point are ashes and psyche rooms dead rooms?

[proven orbit]

In some extreme cases you don't even need a boon to take a hit to receive a favor, e.g. tanking a hit to stay on the boss for longer

[low bear]

I never consiously go for a revenge boon unless there's nothing better offered, and evne then at least reenge isn't taking up my gain slot

[low bear]

they are, I have like 11k Psyche now lol

[fringe lichen]

kinda hope they add something like the heal from darkness option from h1

[civic ocean]

how does one "support fixed gain" am I just like not bringing Lovers Arcana to fights? Like in the example I gave Fixed gain is costing me like 120+ HP to get my mana back.

[proven orbit]

Me neither, for what it's worth
Although seeing zeus revenge boon annihilate the fields suck blob is really funny

[sour cape]

Just having Coarse grit and purposely tossing Lovers Arcana

[proven orbit]

Chronos' wind blow also counts. Didn't abuse that consciously but it did do like 3k damage over the course of battle anyway

[low bear]

Coarse Grit is pretty late game, I don't usually have it online until Mourning Fields if I ever do get it

[sour cape]

Yea Chronos staff suck seems to count as getting hit

By Chronos you should have it

[civic ocean]

Yeah okay so "just purposely toss Lovers Arcana" is like - you understand why that makes it a candidate for the worst gain in the game, right?

[sour cape]

Before then, in Mournign fields- Run into thorns

[low bear]

IF you're going triple earth, otherwise it's inconsistent af to get it plus triple earth has Hera so Born gain

[sour cape]

Its mostly lined up well that by the time I need mana, Ive used up Lovers hits

[proven orbit]

I tossed out lovers to get strength because spending all the time on peril after dds is funny

[civic ocean]

Okay but eventually that stops being the case because you get sick with it enough to not get hit as often

[sour cape]

If you dont need it, then dont take it

[civic ocean]

I mean I don't, but that's not really relevant to the discussion, now is it

we're talking about why not to take it

[sour cape]

If I didnt need the extra survivability of Lovers, I wouldnt take it either

[civic ocean]

I guess you can look forward to getting good enough at the game that you don't need an Arcana that gives you like 500 hp sure

[silent crow]

why are we talking about heph gain it sucks

[sour cape]

Maybe if Heph gain would proc on Lovers then, I wouldnt be opposed to that

[bleak night]

A few of the gains work in conjunction with each other is all

Heph's is by taking damage with that + the boon that makes you do more damage when struck by something. Still kinda bad though unless you have a facetank build or something

[ionic moon]

trying to figure out how to make it good, including rework ideas

[silent crow]

brave face 😼

[civic ocean]

heph gain is like fine to take if you are desp for the earth and want to just take Wheel to Tartarus to solve your mana issues but the better I get at this game the more I like Tranquil Gain when I cannot take Born or Fluid

[bleak night]

Hera's is more of Keen Intuition than Brave Face, no ?

[silent crow]

brave face + fixed gain

[sour cape]

Brave Face?

[ionic moon]

in general yeah I would say purposely taking damage isn't really a well supported concept in the game

[bleak night]

I tried Brave Face on Born Gain and it somehow just doesn't refresh my mana for me when it hits 0, I have to Omega to manually regen

[bleak night]

Hera's Legendary, the mana shield

[sour cape]

Ohhh

[civic ocean]

this is also true for stuff like thunder/breaker sprint

[silent crow]

hera legendary, negates 50% of dmg for mana

are sprint builds real

[sour cape]

I dont think so, unlike H1

[bleak night]

I tried it, it was painful

[low bear]

Make fixed gain a secondary boon, and give Hephy a functional gain boon would be my suggestion

[bleak night]

I had Air Quality and Dem Cyclones, the run took like 40 minutes

[silent crow]

my first clear was with romantic spark and heph sprint and it seemed ok

[bleak night]

oh, you mean builds that use sprint among other things

[low bear]

Sprints are very meh in this game, only good for applying status effects but can't be a core build in itself

[silent crow]

i was mostly sprintjng

[bleak night]

because I did an actual Sprint-only build. Like, I disabled the rest of my buttons lol

[sour cape]

I imagine theyd want to keep the design space of taking damage for a gain

[silent crow]

just specialing occasionally to get the blitz

[low bear]

They really shouldn't it's bad design imo

[sour cape]

whats wrong with it?

[civic ocean]

Lots of pretty good utility sprints tbh like Soot, Pdash, blinding

[stoic ridge]

any interesting build ideas for the staff besides momus spam? finding it kinda hard to utilize any of the other aspects

[low bear]

Normal attack spam is pretty fun

[civic ocean]

yeah you can try snorlax staff https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/e/2PACX-1vS73iWzIxaOupBwoVUJPjxtmSJEtrlTnLh9GFJzTYblncgPo7Ka1J08JG7r-4k6qEPwOJWH_xfp4al2/pubhtml

[sour cape]

Managing hp is an interesting concept and we already got things that reward you for being low on life

[silent crow]

every other mana regen boon is simple and easy

[analog ether]

So, it's generally agreed that the Double Moonshot hammer is very good, right?

[sour cape]

Ionic is unplayable

[silent crow]

ionic is pretty decent

[sour cape]

You easily reserve all your mana

[low bear]

It's the single most broken boon when paired with Momus yeah

[proven orbit]

Apollo + demeter omega attack on mel staff perhaps

[silent crow]

sure it sucks but it works with something

[analog ether]

I think it can also be one of the most annoying to use.

[silent crow]

yes button mashing sucks

[sour cape]

Yea... its double the dmg

[bleak night]

Ionic only exists to ensure your mana drops so low you can keep using the Zeus boon that lets you jolt out lightning when your mana is under 10, but enough regen to keep using the 3 mana/jolt sprint he has. It's kinda whack

[civic ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1241160250829049909/1246549114976735262/image.png?ex=665ccad4&is=665b7954&hm=d58577b15ec869aef6f56b5d5ac098fb2ba229d7ac791b2ef6dbf5a230823e3b& me when I dash into Artemis food drops only to get hit for 14 by a lurker

[silent crow]

is that low mana zeus boon even good

[analog ether]

Specifically, when I'm firing at a certain enemy, only for all of my shots to curve away and hit a completely different enemy.

[bleak night]

No

If it was at a lower time interval, it would be good, but it's like 5 seconds, so it's trash

[sour cape]

Ionic I think is more in need of a reworl than Fixed

[silent crow]

isnt it like 75 danage too lmfao

[bleak night]

75 damage and 5 seconds cd or something

[proven orbit]

It's good when you aren't vowing to be arrogant (literally)

[sour cape]

Ionic will either be unusable or like too good

[sly plaza]

Quadruple Apollo omega attack. Basically play with vow of forsaking to make getting his legendary easier, then get the double omega attack hammer on the staff (preferably Mel for faster charge) that has you send out two in front in exchange for no longer shooting a blast behind her

[proven orbit]

Oh wait I was talking about ionic, not 75 dmg one

Idk it kills rats and I hate rats so its good

[sour cape]

Since having low mana doesnt really matter unless cant cast at which point its unplayable

[bleak night]

My new playstyle in a nutshell when Born Gain gets nerfed into the ground, but Ionic Gain gets overbuffed
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2515900604546637294/11D65E723EB01777CF6E0836B2C74DF5FBD464F6/

[sly plaza]

Are there better builds? Absolutely, but big explosion beam 🙏

[civic ocean]

they should flip em

make the prime "every 10 seconds, a random non-guardian enemy dies"

and the legendary is "deal 100 damage to all enemies every 3 seconds"

[past salmon]

I mean spirit surge is like budget engagement ring for speedruns if you get it in erebus somehow

[sly plaza]

I kinda adore how they are the only pairing with two duos but it’s entirely about screwing the other over 😂

[past salmon]

Zeus will stay winning

[bleak night]

I'd honestly prefer it if they made it so it was a super low interval, but the damage was also kinda low, and Zeus' bolts would keep hitting random targets. On mobs, it'd invalidate blue hearts. On Guardians, it would keep hitting the same target and add up

[sour cape]

Yea thats interesting

[bleak night]

Good flavour tbh

[civic ocean]

10 every .5 seconds then go AQ

[bleak night]

ah, that's probably why they didn't do it lol

[sly plaza]

Very good flavor tbh. Love the duo dialogue as well

[silent crow]

they should

it would be really funny...

[proven orbit]

Good flavor, even better trolling if you dont read the boon and think its the other one

[low bear]

King and Queen's favor is so terrible bht it's hilarious too lol

[sly plaza]

Happened to me on my last skull run. I cried a bit when my blitz boon got eaten 😭

[proven orbit]

Honestly idk, had 3 dud zeus boons once and made lvl 11 hitch attack

[low bear]

I'm not putting Demeter or Zeus in my god pool if I'm going go just give them up for a bunch of poms lmao

[sly plaza]

I simply have a crippling addiction to Poms

[sour cape]

I saw one with like lvl 50 skills

[low bear]

At some point level scaling is almost non existant right, it's cool to see but it's not that much stronger

[silent crow]

how high was the percentage

[proven orbit]

Yeah

[proven orbit]

I don't recall sadly, if I find the screenshot I'd reply with it later

[low bear]

I would rather have it be a rarity drain, all zeus boons become common and level 1 and all Hestia boons gain rarity and level up scaled off of how much zeus rarity and level you gave up and vice versa

[proven orbit]

Really ought to wish run history showed the exact info you have access to on win screen

[sour cape]

Yeaz good feedback!

But prob too much memory to store? Idk 💀

[silent crow]

what if u had heroics already

[low bear]

Introduce Legendary rarity obv

[grizzled rivet]

u mean hera, but ye that does sound cool/better

[silent crow]

what if u had legendaries alrwady

[proven orbit]

Hard for me to imagine it taking more than a few KBs given its' main difference is a bunch of numbers on preset enemy ID's

[low bear]

Then don't take the boon lol, nobody takes it right now probably anyway

[sour cape]

Yea, idk why then

[low bear]

Born gain and Storm Ring are too strong to be given up for a bunch of pom levels

[sour cape]

Maybe when Born Gain gets a nerf

But it is cool that Queens Ransom is better but Zeus's stuff scales harder with Poms

[charred monolith]

Sac'in storm ring to end up with storm ring again was a hoot yesterday. Zero consequences baybeee

[low bear]

there is a Queen's and a King's Ransom I believe

[bleak night]

Queen's Ransom is fun https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1240087136531648534/1245636019945078835/image.png?ex=665cc431&is=665b72b1&hm=9bc6ed58280c67ce175db977a23448a57d910fe46b0910b01fadc0b06c7c418b&

[silent crow]

do yall miss the purging pool

[low bear]

I do for the Hephy/Hera duo

[sly plaza]

This! Same energy as having underworld customs in H1 and finding the same boon again 🙏

[sour cape]

Thats sooo much revenge

[bleak night]

don't make me link it again

[silent crow]

what do les that even do

[bleak night]

You've never tried the Hera/Heph duo ?

[sly plaza]

Chronos 100% died to his own damage. Good lord

[sour cape]

200% dmg if no boon on them

[low bear]

+200% damage to your atk/special if they don't have a boon, it's basically the shakle from H1

[silent crow]

OHHH That one

sounds pretty cool

[proven orbit]

That's nasty

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1242360445801730100/Melinoe_Wins_by_Doing_Absolutely_Nothing.mp4?ex=665cb714&is=665b6594&hm=9c0b96a8b34fb15139365833b7521138cb6bd2c80db09e81e3b3a30beb31efa1&

[low bear]

200% is an Aphrodite Heroic without the "Close" prereq so yeah it's pretty good

[sour cape]

And you can get from Born Again + Trusty shield

[past salmon]

truly peak cinema

[grizzled rivet]

with the demeter infusion as well!!! dear gods...

[past salmon]

Grit is like required for this because the oneshot attacks right?
Im pretty sure if you die nasty comeback doesnt do anything

[low bear]

this would have been funnier to see if you didn't have Coarse Grit LOL

[bleak night]

Yeah, Nasty Comeback doesn't do damage return if you die from it

[past salmon]

yeah thought so