h2-builds-and-combat

[slate pecan]

War making the gods busy is a satisfying explanation, imo. Then again they're gods so being in two (or more) places at once probably isn't new for them

[mystic bison]

Interesting, the almighty gods of the cosmos are too weak to manifest their presence more strongly in the world for 5 seconds. But they actually can directly attack you if you don't choose them in the trial of the gods? Listen, you can think that if you want but there isn't really any conclusive implications pointing in that direction, your conjectures are fine enough if it helps you immerse in the story better I guess.

The truth is, they wanted Hexes instead of Calls because Melinoe is a witch and a Moon Sister, no need to make it deeper than that.

[split igloo]

Does anybody know if possessed array on the skull procs Apollo legendary?

[slate pecan]

They could schedule trials of gods for when they have a spare moment.
I'm sorry I'll stop

[tame fern]

I don't think your argument is without merit but I think that's an easily refuted position, they attack you because they're petty, and their pettiness overrides their reluctance to manifest themselves

[bleak night]

unsure, but I did have a run with it if you wanna check the video

[somber flame]

Ok final question lmao,what is the point of spirit bubbles in that one Poseidon boon? I genuinely don’t get it

[glossy rivet]

trial of the gods but there's like 5 different god boons waiting in the room

[bleak night]

pick them up for mana

[split igloo]

I feel like if it does this build is about to become a big daddy

[slate pecan]

The restore magick

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1245053235916705802/Shotgun_meme_run.mp4?ex=665759af&is=6656082f&hm=154f436697900061810c459a4afaa3fa22c4effb7cbfa6d553538ef6285f1793&

[somber flame]

Oh that’s why,I don’t use mana often LMAO

so I saw no difference lol

[bleak night]

yeah, took me a bit before I started using mana a lot

[slate pecan]

That's why it's a gain. A core boon slot you can only have one god on at a time

Hi Mynt how's your 49 axe going?

[somber flame]

I’ve never played an early access game so im not sure if it’s issues with combat or just a me issue sometimes tbh

[proven orbit]

never underestimate the momentary pettiness of the gods

chronos appears to hate every olympian god equally, but you hate them individually worse (by picking the other god)

So it's a worthwhile cause to stop the war and smite the sinner

[bleak night]

Oh, I took a break from it to do 32 all aspects

[celest swallow]

this, also if it's "not that deep" then why keep questioning the in-game logic at all and start this whole thing, the meta reason doesn't negate there potentially being an in-universe explanation as well

[bleak night]

honestly not really feasible atm to do it without the insane amount of luck I had last time

[mystic bison]

I'm sure we can keep thinking of excuses until no tomorrow

[slate pecan]

Have you considered trading off arcana for some desperation vows?

Maybe not all, idk

[mystic bison]

I don't care for questioning the in game logic or having calls in this game or whatever, I simply stated that there is no narrative obstruction for that to be the case

[bleak night]

I can certainly do that, but it'll be 47 at max since I def can't do 5min/area on Axe at super high fear

49 still ends up being the best I can do

[slate pecan]

Fair. Well good luck with that I believe in you!

[bleak night]

Thanks, though it'll take a while for me to consistently crack it

[tame fern]

Of course you're not going to recognize any narrative obstruction when you keep handwaving away every narrative obstruction you come across

[bleak night]

half my runs in 49 are deaths in Erebus

[mystic bison]

Ok, keep thinking that. This is off topic anyway.

[slate pecan]

I feel you. I'm working on something for Pan myself and it's really harsh. Super high heat guarantees I get out of Erebus every 10th attempt or so 😱 meanwhile, momus gets a double moonshot and goes brr

I don't hate it, it's fun to see things melt for a change. Just can't take it for too long

Double moonshoot or heroic pos special, for that matter

[sly turret]

Is The Moon arcana card worth using for Charon Axe builds?

[slate pecan]

It's okay I think

[mystic bison]

Yes

[acoustic moat]

Hi all, how do you manage to get so many epic/heroic boons without using the arcana cards for higher rarity? I'm struggling to understand how it's possible lol

[timber pawn]

Some combination of rare crop from demeter and bridal glow from hera

If you get those two boons at high-ish rarity they can make 6 boons heroic. There's also a keepsake from narcissus that makes a common boon heroic

[nocturne sequoia]

Question about moonstone axe: does daedalus giga cleaver + apollo legy put out 3 or 4 omega specials?

[spare kite]

Should be 4

Staff double omega attack works like that at least

[steel sequoia]

here is my tip, sort the boon you want to upgrade and then pick this keepsake after hecate than heal in the fountain: Aromatic Phial
Fountains restore +20% Life. The next makes 1 random Common Boon of yours Heroic.
From Narcissus

[nocturne sequoia]

Juicy... Haven't had that yet

[steel sequoia]

u just have to pick the keepsake before fountain

[acoustic moat]

ohhhhhh thats a good idea, thanks, you sleepy head

[steel sequoia]

and u gain the fountain restore bonus too after the sisters

[glacial pike]

Moonstone axe
Aspect of Thanatos
Either apollos or Aphrodite strike boon
And if you are lucky you will get furious whirlwind from deadelus hammer that's literally all you need the build is broken af

[steel sequoia]

didnt tried but looks fun

im a charon player myself, should get than some love too sometime

[nocturne sequoia]

Charon axe is insane... Had a build where cast + omega special deal combined over 2,5k without crits

[steel sequoia]

ive killed p2 chronos with 3 casts

[humble sequoia]

nice argument chronos

one small issue

aspect of charon special into solar flare

god i love aspect of charon

[nocturne sequoia]

Yes solar flare for life

[humble sequoia]

on my most recent run i used charon with a chaos boon that reduced how much magick i used

[nocturne sequoia]

Had that also one run w time -40%

2times*

[humble sequoia]

even though i didn’t get solar flare on that run

[steel sequoia]

https://postimg.cc/qgt8kPMn i managed to use persephone with no regen somehow

[humble sequoia]

how do you use the skull

i do not like it

[steel sequoia]

i dont like too

but persephone is a cast build with special basically

[celest swallow]

medea is a nice blend of beowulf and fists and i love it. generally find all the skulls enjoyable in some way but that one is probably my favorite

[dusty sapphire]

I really quite like medea now. But I always get extremely damaged while using it, especially against the likes of Polyphemus but also just everything on fury level 2.

[celest swallow]

yeah, gotta stay very on top of where everyone is and your dodge timings and even still just be ready to eat some damage, but boy oh boy is it fun on magickless antler runs (as long as you don't fight sea serpent)

[tall notch]

The idea of Antler Medea scares me

[celest swallow]

it scares the enemies just as much

genuinely a ton of fun once you just trust the load->special->dodge loop

Cerberus is fine as long as you're confident dashing through him after every hit and letting your cast do work, Chronos is probably the trickiest esp just cos P2 is annoying for melee since no magick for omega attack but you can also just not play it manaless to have that as an option

[timber pawn]

I'm tempted to start trying medea runs

I need to grab the no centaur save. It's annoying you can't turn the card off

[proven orbit]

take calculated damage occasionally so that you can pop strength too

[celest swallow]

yeah, i either just fiddled with my cards to avoid it or i just left it on and took some damage to stay at 30 or less and it was fine

[glacial pike]

Petition to completely rework the torches or hugely buff them

[celest swallow]

meh, just add some opportunity to stagger with specials somehow and i'm honestly fine with em

[proven orbit]

Honestly the only thing I need is that you can dash into omegas instead of both failing

[timber pawn]

Ya, I think most runs are just running 30 hp and antler these days but that is also an option

[proven orbit]

Well, better hammers wouldn't hurt either but that's for another day

[tall notch]

I have it but I don't like playing on it as I'd like to have all my records on my main save file

[bleak night]

You need that ?

[tall notch]

Yes, buff Eos and make it better than current Momus

[little summit]

attack damage +500% sounds fair

perhaps more

[tall notch]

+50% fire rate and homing on attack

[little summit]

yeeees

funi

[tall notch]

If torches get significantly buffed I could see max fear being possible on them. Like Eos is already a top 5 aspect

[timber pawn]

If you have it handy ya. There's one available on sdc as well right

[dusty sapphire]

man what a plot twist that would be if ygnium was the first max fear

[bleak night]

yeah, I can send tho

[little summit]

whats the current record?

did take a whiiile to get to max in 1 so wonder what itll be like here

[tall notch]

50 on Momus

[little summit]

damn thats impressive

oh wait we dont have full 64 yet do we

[tall notch]

Torches record is 43 I believe

[little summit]

do we?

[tall notch]

Nope, 50 is everything except disabled arcana

[timber pawn]

55 is max but that's also turn off arcana so 50 is the practical max

[little summit]

yeah ok, adding extreme measures will probably make it much harder

[proven orbit]

Depends on how it's implemented
first 3em in H1 were basically free

[bleak night]

imo 40+ becomes easier if you add EM, because EM itself allows you to raise the general number of Fear in exchange for disabling the truly awful ones

it's just that the max becomes 64 or 65 instead of 55

[little summit]

true

[proven orbit]

EM chronos sounds scary though

[little summit]

really just depends how extreme the buffs are

[bleak night]

I can see 6 Fear becoming free with EM, since usually the 1st to 3rd bosses just gain gimmicks that you can easily adapt to completely after maybe 3-5 fights

maybe 7 in my case

[little summit]

but em4 is likely gonna be insanely tough

we’ll just have to wait and see

[bleak night]

Yeah, no doubt about that one. EM4 is never free fear in H1

[glacial pike]

I struggled to do 32 for the night champion on axe I am not a masochistic to do 50 on torches like wtf

The only valuable build I have found for the torches is to make an omega special spam build like I can't see anything other than that

[bleak night]

I can't see myself doing 50 on Axe since that'd entail a 5 min timer

[tall notch]

I have a feeling you didn't level the attack aspect

[glacial pike]

If you want to suggest me a good torch build I would love to try it but I am not gonna invest in this weapon I tried many times but I just can't bring myself

[slate pecan]

Do you have maxed Mel aspect at least?

[civic ocean]

Why would you come here then

Oh nvm misread - mel torches are ez pz

[glacial pike]

I don't but I have the material's to upgrade it to max

[tall notch]

Eos aspect (at least rank 1, it's crucial to the playstyle), Hera start. Take born gain and her attack. Other gods are something with a cast boon (pref Demeter) and 3rd god is flexible at low fear but I like Heph for defense

https://youtu.be/3CD40s-zK-w?si=N5LajFV6tdEOfw20
This is how it plays

[glacial pike]

I'll check it out later thanks

[tall notch]

Eos aspect requires killing Eris though so idk if you can get it?

[slate pecan]

Maxing Mel aspect torches skyrockets your damage output. Look for a strong Aphro special, born gain and spam that omega special in your enemies' faces. Heartthrobs are a great addition. Build is called pink aura. It has strong flaws but is capable of beating 32 fear somewhat consistently

It's also cheap to upg since it's Mel aspect

[tall notch]

@bleak night post pink aura

[bleak night]

👀

Pink Aura https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1240870334731653160/image.png?ex=6657f40e&is=6656a28e&hm=22409566ddf2504f1618692c0d2a641e79e665b8d5c9b2c75538a15f476de7d1&

[glacial pike]

I have done every single thing in the game I have unblocked everything don't worry I just haven't upgraded the torches because I think they are poopoo hopefully I will change my mind

[tall notch]

Eos gaming! The aspect fixes a lot of the base attack's shortcomings

[eager bay]

Torches are the only weapon I can tolerate after the staff

[bleak night]

interesting

[slate pecan]

Go rogue! Lim and Oros ftw

[tall notch]

I love the teleport spam Arty daggers but Chronos annoys the hell out of me on that aspect

Skill issue probably but he just dashes away every time I teleport??

Or at least half of my omega attacks whiff

[slate pecan]

Explosive ambush I think it was called is the hammer upgrade

[tall notch]

Even with explosive ambush I miss half of them vs Chronos

Like what's the trick to timing them

[slate pecan]

Gives awesome omega damage boost and AOE increase making it easier to hit. But yeah still kinda hard with Chronos being immune to sorceress

[tall notch]

I'm decent enough at avoiding Chronos at this point but the fight takes forever as I keep missing

[slate pecan]

Idk I'm not very good at it, I try to watch him, anticipate his next move and predict when he'll be vulnerable

[tall notch]

Highest I did with Arty was 32

[bleak night]

32 Arty felt rough ngl

[slate pecan]

Kinda tedious but works

[tall notch]

In rooms it's so smooth

I have the teleport-dash away rhythm down

But I keep missing with it vs Scylla and Chronos

[bleak night]

I honestly enjoyed being that agile on a melee weapon, but then Chronos happened and I felt bad

[tall notch]

Guess I'll have to try taking it slow

[slate pecan]

Parry helps as you can watch him more safely and counterattack, but after that it's pain

[tall notch]

True parry is so good in that fight

[timber pawn]

I've been screwed with some lingering hitboxes during chronos at 40%, not fun

But as long as I just run the hell away during the suction, everything else is okay on Artemis lol

[thorny widget]

I'm sad there aren't more Artemis boons and that I can't get them more than once from a random event. I want moooore

[little summit]

really hoping theyre just missing because they didnt finish making her full set of boons yet

[thorny widget]

Same. I want to take my Thanatos scythe, load up on Artemis boons, and go to town

And having Support Fire with Aspect of Pan knives, mmmm, so good

[tall notch]

Support fire on air fryer builds.. ❤️

[glacial pike]

The one she gives where enemies take crit while on your casts in a zeus/Apollo cast build

[spare kite]

Isn't that only for attacks

[glacial pike]

Nah whatever takes dmg in your casts may take crit

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1245393859924594688/image.png?ex=665896ea&is=6657456a&hm=114f19a4f2026d9f59e305a59b74d2377a286b31d7ea838bd8167ad234c745a5&

[glacial pike]

Strange maybe it was the general crit boost you get I remembered very clearly in one of my runs I made a zeus cast build and I remember the lightning bolts did crit dmg

[spare kite]

yeah it was PP most surely

[slate pecan]

Maybe it was death arcana card critting?

Cool gotta check it out!

[glacial pike]

I don't have that arcana in my build

[slate pecan]

Ok then idk

[glacial pike]

I am at work rn when I get back home I will show my general build but most likely it was the flat crit chances from artemis

[ornate scarab]

Is aspect of momus OP just from free healing, or is there something else I am missing?

[tall notch]

Special power

Maxxed Momus hits as hard with its special as the axe swings

[ornate scarab]

Oh dang, that sounds busted

[tall notch]

And then there's a hammer that lets you fire 2 projectiles at no cost. And you get Poseidon

[midnight gate]

Pos special with double moonshot on momus is busted

[ornate scarab]

I’m going to have to try that out. I feel like I try to use the main attack more, but I’ve seen a ton of people just using the special on the staff

[mystic bison]

Forget the attack exists on Momus

[tall notch]

Momus has an attack?

[glacial pike]

You play the game on easy mode basically with that build

[haughty panther]

hmm, death warrant seems to trigger off any crit, not just the crit bonus from the marked, so than axe and artemis blades might be able to mark the whole room with it

[tall notch]

Most weapons are reasonably balanced for EA but MOMUS is just blatantly overtuned

[haughty panther]

just got off a run where I got it and was using antler and the whole room got marked

[tall notch]

OH THAT'S WHY I HAD SO MANY MARKED ENEMIES ON ANTLER

F10 it definitely not intended

[haughty panther]

hmm imma abuse replicate it later so I can f10 properly

[tall notch]

55 fear strat

[thorny widget]

Does Hermes feel underpowered this game? In Hades 1 I would beeline for Hermes as long as it wasn't vs a Hammer, but now, outside of some dodge chance and attack speed, idk, doesn't feel as impactful

[haughty panther]

than axe suddenly is looking juicy

[haughty panther]

the sprint is borderline op

[glacial pike]

It's a support type god so I don't think no

[tall notch]

He's not underpowered, h1 hermes was just op

[merry flint]

yeah he is compared to h1

[sour cape]

Ugh died to Chronos with 32 axe 😭

[spare kite]

outside of +dashes/hyper delivery combo his boons were always meh

[haughty panther]

i guess the current hermes is slightly more averaged compared to h1

but still there's 3 stinker boons in his offering list

[glossy rivet]

does easy shot or lethal snare work on charon axe cast?

[tall notch]

Don't sleep on projectile speed btw, it's good in h2 because no divine dash and weapons don't destroy projectiles

[haughty panther]

saved breath whitty retort and midnight oil are situational at best

[haughty panther]

i think easy shot works, lethal snare only works for attack i think so doesn't matter with charon axe cast

[glossy rivet]

saved breath sounds very meh considering omega cast is like only 15 magick right?

[merry flint]

its actively detrimental towards hex charge time

[proven orbit]

I still take hermes as priority honestly. He isn't as overcentralizing as H1 hermes was, but most of his boons are welcome on most builds

[tall notch]

With saved breath omega cast builds need no other regen than unseen

[timber pawn]

Depending on your build it can be nice

[merry flint]

i'm gonna shill lambent plume till i die it seems

[glossy rivet]

what builds spam omega cast thats not charon axe?

[haughty panther]

every build that got apollo cast

[proven orbit]

Any build if you wanna apollo zeus

[merry flint]

Solar Ring carries any build

life saver in chaos trials with apollo if you can get it

[proven orbit]

If you don't like your build just make cast your build

[timber pawn]

You can also run Zeus cast charon, but you don't use the special at all

[haughty panther]

how about we use zeus ranged cast charon with apollo

[timber pawn]

I will shill my stupid charon build at every opportunity

[proven orbit]

iirc people dislike lightning lance because it stops you from dropping cast while channeling special

[glacial pike]

I once had Medea's projectiles slow with Hermes epic one for a total of -80% enemy projectile

[merry flint]

honestly that downside more than makes up for having a cast you can proactively place

[haughty panther]

well it changes when you drop cast, it turns you truely ranged

[merry flint]

'oh there's 5 enemies barrelling down at me, i can throw cast preemptively then charge in' instead of 'there's 5 enemies coming, gotta cast and run away from them again, stop then come back to shoot'

which is nice and wish it was base cast to some extent

like there's a small circle around melinoe that cast can be placed in

so it can be directed but not really be long range

[haughty panther]

base cast should allow it to be cast anywhere that allows you to be in it

[merry flint]

YES exactly

[proven orbit]

Would be neat QoL but I kinda like how current cast makes you engage either proactively or at closer ranges

Makes you feel smarter kinda

[haughty panther]

you can share 2 sides of the diameter of the cast circle immediately with an enemy, which is imo the best place to cast

[merry flint]

idk to me it feels like there's a disconnect between what it does when you're starting out because of the way it currently spawns

there's a lack of intentionality i felt like

you'd drop cast and if you aren't actually engaging with someone you won't actually notice until they run into it

and if you're engaging with something you don't really notice that they've been bound

[timber pawn]

Local climate making cast follow you around is a neat change to the gameplay loop

[proven orbit]

Mmm, I think the placement locked on you was absolutely deliberate because hades 1 cast was a projectile you can shoot anywhere and plenty of familiars had targeting too

[merry flint]

if it was directed you'd be able to cast it towards something and see it stop before it entered your engagement range

which would immediately sell the 'the cast binds enemies' bit

since skelly doesn't move you can't actually test this bit

[proven orbit]

Something of note is that when you use cast for slowing opponents, you want them on the edge of cast, not in the center, because otherwise they will break out faster. Cast being centered on you basically ensures that if you cast and dash away, there will be basically full diameter that enemy has to pass, as opposed to aiming it and overshooting

It's the omega casts that want enemies to be roughly in the center and make current implementation confusing

(and even then, apollo ring and some others play out basically the same because you want enemies stuck in cast for as long as possible geometrically)

All in all, I think cast dropping at center at base while having options to make it ranged is a good implementation overall

[timber pawn]

I think the base, relatively intuitive gameplay loop, is dash up to a group of enemies, drop cast, attack/special/kill enemies, repeat

[karmic gust]

omg that icarus buff that makes omega specials explode on hit is SO powerful with mel torches

[timber pawn]

And having an aimable ranged cast would make that less intuitive

[proven orbit]

Yeah

It promotes a simpler and yet more engaging gameplay

Well, mechanically simpler (you tap cast once instead of aiming), but a bit more complex decision making

[civic ocean]

It's also worth pointing out that Sorceress Omega Casts are basically aimable in a similar way to what is being described

I will sometimes raw omega cast no bonuses against fast enemies to slow them down and get myself further away from them - dmg doesn't hurt either!

[civic ocean]

Have you heard of Money Laundering

[timber pawn]

In real life or

Is it local climate geyser

[civic ocean]

Golden Rule, the Hera/Posi duo, applies to the ticks of Storm/Solar/Arctic Ring

[ionic sapphire]

Just came back from my first 24 fear Chronos torch run

Apollo legendary is a freaking monster on Meli Torch

[civic ocean]

Yarp

Pink aura ftw

[ionic sapphire]

I didn't even put Aphro, I just went Apollo Special > 2 great hammers (extra fire e extra cast speed) > born again

basically became a Sun walking around

[civic ocean]

So it's Local Climate Arctic Ring

Born Gain Sworn Strike

Double up Breaker Sprint

Coarse Grit Golden Rule

[steel sequoia]

never got the legendary, should try it later

[civic ocean]

I'm actually starting to think Charon is better without the bomb lmao

[timber pawn]

Wouldn't that be something

[ionic sapphire]

O damn I'm out of Testaments

[timber pawn]

It's certainly less hammer reliant

[bleak night]

What bomb?

[timber pawn]

Omega special explosion

[bleak night]

Oh, are you people making Charon a Local Climate Axe now ?

[timber pawn]

Hehehehe

[civic ocean]

Wdym "you people"

Would also work with Than ig

[proven orbit]

Oh yeah, love that interaction. Omega casts locking you in spot would have been devastating in comparison

[bleak night]

I wanna join and test so badly rn

[glacial pike]

Yeah but there are boons that can make you cast your cast anywhere

[timber pawn]

After my testing stuff with than, the cast doesn't last long enough to be really impactful. That 3 sec makes a big difference

[bleak night]

Local Climate Whirlwind is that good ig

[proven orbit]

It's mostly that aiming isn't precise in the heat of battle so you may overshoot the target

[bleak night]

Unironically a good pivot build

[civic ocean]

On Demeter even without any extra boons it's like 120 more dmg and for zeus it's like 600 extra damage right

[bleak night]

How did you cook this build up

It doesn't seem like a meme, just a creative way to use a secondary characteristic part of an aspect to change the playstyle entirely

[civic ocean]

I think for both of us it clicked that +3second casts was really strong

[bleak night]

do I still need to run Moon on this ?

[timber pawn]

I want to try a lower fear version of my Zeus/dem/Apollo approach.

Ideally you're getting storm ring, local climate, lucid gain, frigid sprint, apollo/dem duo, maybe Apollo legendary? Some way to activate pstatus

[timber pawn]

I ran huntress or death

[bleak night]

Oh, so no Moon needed ?

[civic ocean]

For me a big thing is whenever someone says something is bad I always turn it around and think "hmm well how could this be good actually"

[steel sequoia]

yall arguing all this and all you need is torrential downpour

[timber pawn]

Since it's exploding so rarely the effective increase from Moon isn't that big

[bleak night]

ah, interesting

[civic ocean]

I run Moon but I think sometimes its bugged

[timber pawn]

Mentioned it above in my ideal boons list for my build! Not great on 32 fear though because mp is limited

[slate pecan]

I noticed my omega specials deal significantly more DMG in the end than omega casts in Charon builds, even with moon

[civic ocean]

Not with the duos surely

[slate pecan]

Maybe I'm doing something wrong

[timber pawn]

The anyfear speed I saw focused on the special over the cast so maybe you're onto something

[steel sequoia]

u might be buffing special instead of omega special?

[slate pecan]

The casts still do nice dmg

[gilded kernel]

any tips for 32 Fear surface run?

[slate pecan]

I try to balance both

Oh my bad misread, thought u meant special instead of cast

[timber pawn]

Are you building for high fear or just speaking in general btw

[cinder path]

don't do fury 2

[civic ocean]

What why

[slate pecan]

Usually around 32 fear

[cinder path]

i think fury 2 eris will frustrate people more than be fun

[bleak night]

can you two drop your Arcana setup for Local Climate Charon pls ?

[civic ocean]

Uhh

Sorc
Furies
Sprint
Lovers
Runner
Eternity
Moon
10 rerolls
Orig

Off the top of my head

Start Demeter look for arctic ring and local climate

Go into hera for sworn strike for orig and born gain

Then Pos to get the pieces for Golden Rule

Ideally you want HAHA YES but Bounty works too

If u have born gain and a bunch of mana you can go weed killer too

[timber pawn]

Oh ya I forgot about weed killer

I go 6 rerolls and strength

But I could probably skip strength

[glacial pike]

I be done it the problem is not eris the problem is to GET to eris

[bleak night]

you guys run 28 Grasp on it ?

[civic ocean]

Titan

[bleak night]

wait nvm I can put 2 on Titan lol

[civic ocean]

Ye I always forget titan

[timber pawn]

Gimmie like 15 mins I can go on lunch and figure out what I use

[bleak night]

alright ty~

[merry flint]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/181303403366842368/1245409530137804830/image.png?ex=6658a582&is=66575402&hm=aea1fbe5d349eca8e29c0936cdd4e87ecaf908884a2ae27a19684f9cb6ccedcc&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=272&height=583
This is the cast i'd like to see

[proven orbit]

Titan is such a staple alongside eternity that its really easy to forget to mention either

[civic ocean]

I had a hard time playing melee range vs chronos

[civic ocean]

I really don't like this because it presupposes that I am always facing the direction I want to cast which like very quickly becomes not a thing on different builds at 32, omnidirectionalality is super important

[cinder path]

i mean not even at 32 lol

i could be at 0 fear and might be facing the wrong way

[low bear]

Any build tips for Aspect of Moros 32 fear?

[civic ocean]

Idk like you could just get nasty with it and always face the right direction I guess

[merry flint]

idk i play mkb aiming isn't a problem but running in to cast a group is

i mean sure someone could sneak up behind you but you can still drop one and run

[civic ocean]

The big one for me is I drop into a small oceanus room and there's a blood shade on either side of me

I think with ur cast im takin 18 no matter what

[merry flint]

that's a problem with oceanus now already

[timber pawn]

I brute forced a spiteful strength build. So starting hera for gain, and then going trusty shield from. Heph, and hope you get the duo relatively quickly

[merry flint]

'oh no i dropped into 50 blades'

[civic ocean]

Idk I feel pretty good about oceanus now

[tall notch]

Just swap unless you're doing all weapons 32 fear. Mel does specials better Eos does attacks better

[low bear]

I am doing all aspects I have Melinoe and Moros left lol

[proven orbit]

moros is spam both attack and special and pray I think

[tall notch]

Then i guess do what Bismuth did

[civic ocean]

All 3 torches benefit from you going the earth trio because they have damage solved fairly easily if you follow the instructions on the aspect

You kinda have to get nice with it though

[merry flint]

yeah get earth trio and turn into a melee weapon

i'd like moros more if the projectile didn't just...collide into everything

[timber pawn]

I tried to keep omega special spinning and then spammed attack

And cosplayed melee

[merry flint]

it looks so bad

[tall notch]

Is there a weapon that doesn't function at 32 fear with triple earth?

[timber pawn]

It doesn't feel good that's for sure

[merry flint]

conceptually doing the omega special attack thing

its pretty cool

[timber pawn]

Axe does better with other things imo

[civic ocean]

We WABSing out here

Fr though I think non momus staff struggles to deal dmg

[celest swallow]

is it WABS time again

[timber pawn]

Maybe I should do a spiteful axe run just to round things out lol, but it's the only weapon I havent

[merry flint]

what the hell is wabs

[celest swallow]

weapon agnostic boon stacking

[merry flint]

oh its corporate

[cinder path]

its often just called "good stuff"

[merry flint]

i was filling in 'white antler something something'

[civic ocean]

Who calls it good stuff

[timber pawn]

There was a guy came in and was raving about bad design and basically complained saying 'weapon agnostic boon stacking makes h2 boring'

[civic ocean]

Isn't the good stuff like Poseidon

[timber pawn]

And here we are weeks later

[civic ocean]

It was specifically about Air Fryer and Eos

[cinder path]

in other deterministic roguelikes its the "ol' reliable" that you can fall back on if the run isn't really picking a direction

[merry flint]

wabsing my torches rn

[timber pawn]

See: merciful end

[merry flint]

divine dash

[civic ocean]

"I'm not gonna think Torches are not in need of massive buffs because of you guys and your weapon agnostic boon stacking that is in no way consistent"

[timber pawn]

Oh right

[civic ocean]

Speaking of which Air Fryer skull currently on a 3 winstreak at 32 KEKW

[timber pawn]

Man that guy's gonna have an aneurysm when I post the same spiteful build on all 5 weapons

[celest swallow]

basically if there's an opportunity to call something weapon agnostic boon stacking you do it, same as any chance to mention

🩷 P I N K A U R A 🩷

[merry flint]

Coarse Grit 🤝 me being carried

[dense moss]

Torch base attack feeling like a pea shooter is teeeeeedious early in a run
Tired of running out of magic trying to do reasonable damage lol

[merry flint]

i love being carried its so nice

[proven orbit]

divine dash isn't something you fall back on, it's something you occasionally decide to switch from to spice up your run

[timber pawn]

Born gain is a very important torch enabler current state, ya

[tall notch]

I mean Mynt plays Hera attack and dem cast on Than

[cinder path]

good stuff is a strategy every roguelike needs. just hoping more specialty and niche strategies get some buffs in hades 2 is valid feedback

[civic ocean]

Yeah but mynt plays with 1 joycon and a mouse are you gonna trust mynt

[tall notch]

Yes tbh he coached me to 32 fear with Charon

[civic ocean]

I know they're sick with it

[celest swallow]

if someone is playing with ultra jank controller setups and still winning, hell yeah you listen

[proven orbit]

they clearly know something I don't so I'd refer to authority bias

[civic ocean]

I just like making fun of that setup

[timber pawn]

Ya spiteful would work fine on than I imagine, with Dem cast

[civic ocean]

Yeah I think Hera Heph Dem is good on axe just not greeding spiteful

[karmic gust]

...what

[tall notch]

Or just Hera attack

[civic ocean]

Probably the best known axe player in the world btw, definitely top 3

[timber pawn]

Right, spiteful would just be to say I did it with all 5 weps lol

[tall notch]

I'm a hera attack believer on anything that wants % scaling now

[karmic gust]

i just wanna play but my computer wont turn on :')

[merry flint]

if i opened game i'd have to use skulls

[civic ocean]

Sorry this isn't the PC build channel

[merry flint]

i'd rather just wait for slayer

[civic ocean]

One day I'll have to play the skulls properly

[tall notch]

I'm not playing H2 for the next 2 weeks probably, I wonder if someone will beat my Eos record in that time

[karmic gust]

oh i wasnt asking for help lol, i know what the issue is im just too broke to fix it 😂

[merry flint]

get that cash money

[civic ocean]

Sorry this isn't the personal finance build channel can't help

[karmic gust]

😩

[tall notch]

O btw @civic ocean, which weapon do you think will get hidden aspect of Korb that boosts Hex charge rate?

[ionic moon]

smh weren't you just promoting Money Laundering

[mystic bison]

Alr so Hermes sprint also blocks Kronos instakill

[civic ocean]

Do you think they know about this?

Like surely one of them reads this discord

[karmic gust]

yea anything that blocks dmg blocks it

[tall notch]

I'd guess they browse the builds channel sometimes

[karmic gust]

can just stand there facetanking it with moros keepsake as well, take out half his healthbar

[tall notch]

To see our feelings about weapons and their strength

[civic ocean]

If u wanted a srs answer

I don't think any aspects will interact directly with Hex

I would expect Hexes are getting like huuuuge changes tho

[tall notch]

Fair, we never got a call aspect in h1 iirc

[civic ocean]

Two things I think we'll see are more weapons getting changed from flat bonuses to weird interactions like Charon/Pers/Pan/Eos

[true crypt]

i don't think they'd make an aspect contingent on something you might not get in a run

[civic ocean]

And big hex changes

[bleak night]

I'm having such a hellish time trying to do a 5 min/area timer on a surface run

On 32, ofc.

[merry flint]

Momus with that +300% special damage bonus

[bleak night]

No thanks

[civic ocean]

Have you tried being sick with it

[merry flint]

its what it has now

[bleak night]

Wdym

[mystic bison]

The City is very hard on the timer, probably the most time intensive area in the entire game

[tall notch]

I feel like they should make tight deadline have different values for surface and underworld

[civic ocean]

Just be good and lucky ez

[bleak night]

True

[timber pawn]

This is where I'm leaning too

[mystic bison]

Yeah tight deadline as is is fine for the underworld specifically

[bleak night]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-computer-notebook-explaning-gif-21152267

[merry flint]

just make tight deadline longer for both

[spare kite]

Styx but 5 tunnels guaranteed and spread out takes a lot of time

[merry flint]

6 tunnels

[low bear]

Interesting

[merry flint]

imagine a 6 sack i'd just quit

[civic ocean]

@turbid hull I summon you to delve the data (I have a question)

[turbid hull]

[proven orbit]

I mean, 2 sack had about 4 rooms worth of enemies to kill

[timber pawn]

With that in mind I also take 2 vow of suffering, which trusty shield invalidates. So you can take only 20% damage, no enemy hp. 5 minute timer, etc

[turbid hull]

I am playing TOTK rn, but sure, do tell

[civic ocean]

Are the rooms in Ephyra tied to any specific pool of encounters, and/or is Heracles more likely to appear in any particular room?

[glacial pike]

Random like artemis

[gilded kernel]

92hp 32 fear, 0 dd's vs Eris, let's go

[proven orbit]

So far I only noticed northwest room favoring miniboss encounters, but it might be a fluke

[tall notch]

You got this, Trouble!

[civic ocean]

Choco is my trusted data delver so I will see what she says

[proven orbit]

return to shadow, in 20 seconds!

[tall notch]

Northwest is elite, Medea is somewhere on the east

[civic ocean]

Has anyone else seen the LTG Chronos meme

[mystic bison]

Poseidon on Eos isn't half bad (played like sh*t in Kronos phase 2 tho) https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1242098453979598872/1245415341820215336/Screenshot_4083.png?ex=6658aaec&is=6657596c&hm=b88c479e256d211932313c5047207816997d7499b4903df2fa894fd6692b7dd0&

[turbid hull]

no clue @civic ocean

[civic ocean]

Deadge

[bleak night]

I need to play 4 runs of Charon straight

[proven orbit]

medea checks out as well now that you mention it

smth like southeast for the 3 times I found her

[merry flint]

my bet is that heracles actually has a set room number he spawns in ie he'll spawn at the 2nd encounter of the city no matter what you pick

[bleak night]

Also, I just tried the Icarus boon where your Omega attacks explode and deal an extra 50 damage

[merry flint]

but whatever n is

[proven orbit]

Damn, I can't believe heracles was the sacks we grabbed along the way

[bleak night]

and every hit of the Axe Whirl is basically +50 damage and explodes. It's so hysterical

[spare kite]

With torches is also fun

[gilded kernel]

i ran out of time, eris was like at 2 hp, i was 2 hp and i died

[spare kite]

Welcome back explosive return

[proven orbit]

With torches you incur a heavy mana cost in comparison, I assume

[shy summit]

it's so easy to get a completely broken surface build

[proven orbit]

Since spin is one omega attack it'd only cost like 30 at max

[tall notch]

Why's omega attack so low? Mana issues?

[shy summit]

with all the npc buffs

[bleak night]

I need the Michael Bay

[knotty fulcrum]

Oh, hi. Wanted to play some charon myself, what build?

[proven orbit]

Doesn't seem like it with 11 mana/s chaos boon. Probably because pos attack counts waves separately

[bleak night]

Ask East and Bismuth, they're having me do Local Climate Whirls on it lmao

[mystic bison]

That was strange to me as well, maybe because I was stopping the omega channel to refill my mana at points?

[tall notch]

I don't even mean Pos being higher, normal attack being higher than Omega on Eos isn't normal

[proven orbit]

Oh, yeah. Weird

[tall notch]

Or maybe your waves melted mobs before you started omegaing?

[knotty fulcrum]

with zues cast?

[timber pawn]

Ya I have a video if you want it

[bleak night]

Yeah. Zeus Cast + Local Climate and Cyclone apparently

[knotty fulcrum]

sure you can send it

[mystic bison]

Also possible yeah

[shy summit]

I bet they'll make the remaining surface regions more difficult to balance out the snowballing builds you can develop in regions 1+2

[proven orbit]

the storm build

[civic ocean]

Bismuth is a zeus believer I'm a Demeter believer

[timber pawn]

https://youtu.be/D-ML2lJBQ1M?si=eg0vqo087-EG5VM4

[civic ocean]

My build is called Money Laundering so at least it's funny

[proven orbit]

I'd say the storm that is approaching but it's too long

[timber pawn]

I was literally thinking about a dem cast version this morning so I'm glad you are trying it

[mystic bison]

Mana wise though I was set from almost the beginning, I got Chaos and Arachne's dress in Erebus and only got Demeter's gain in Fields

[timber pawn]

I kind of love it though, I'm bad with names

[tall notch]

Bis does that weird build play demeter cyclone on cast?

[civic ocean]

cyclones are optional on both I feel

[timber pawn]

You'd rather have it on sprint actually lol

[tall notch]

Oh

It could be called Tornado Axe if you used cyclone cast

[timber pawn]

But ya not required. On cast it drops where your omega cast starts and doesn't follow

[civic ocean]

call it WeatherWoman

[tall notch]

Ooh

Does the English language have a word for the person who does weather forecasts on tv?

[civic ocean]

Forecaster?

[timber pawn]

I was coming up with an any fear boon list. So far it's Zeus cast, apollo gain, local climate, frigid sprint, apollo/dem duo, apollo... Attack?, maybe Apollo legendary. Then furious whirlwind. Also omega cast reduction from Hermes. Also weed killer, maybe. Idk if lucid can actually support all that

[civic ocean]

Meteorologist

[tall notch]

In Polish there's a word "pogodynka" which is derived from our word for weather (pogoda). If English has an equivalent you could call the build that

[tall notch]

That sounds like a born gain/chaos mana angle

[slate pecan]

Hey I'm a Pole too 😄

Didn't know you were. That's cool

[bleak night]

2137

[timber pawn]

If you remove Apollo leg, I think lucid supports it just fine. You get amazing uptime on lucid because the cast is always on you

[slate pecan]

Xd

[vestal quail]

Polska gurom

[tall notch]

So many Poles in here! I see Polish victory screens sometimes too

[slate pecan]

Poles da Hades gamers

[tall notch]

Chaos mana reduction would work for sure but that's rng

[bleak night]

I'm not even Polish lol

[civic ocean]

If you get Psychic Whirlwind, Lucid can solve you for mana

[bleak night]

I just know the memes

[slate pecan]

I was wondering after 2137

[split igloo]

does the bonus dmg from upgrades of momus stuff only applies to charge or to right clicks too

[slate pecan]

Good you clarified. Where are you from?

[bleak night]

rclicks as well

[proven orbit]

It specifies special and omega special iirc so it applies to both

[bleak night]

The small Nordic

Germany's hat

[ionic moon]

too bad you moved off thanatos, then it could be Reap the Whirlwind

[civic ocean]

Money Laundering is extra good because it's Charon

[ionic moon]

man they better make charon into an oar

[tall notch]

I love the themed builds we come up with here

[bleak night]

I honestly did not expect Axe to have a meme build besides drill

[split igloo]

thanks

[timber pawn]

Funnily it really seems like this nonsense works better on charon. I couldn't get it to work on Than really

[civic ocean]

3 seconds is a long time it turns out

[tall notch]

Was my cast Than not memey enough for you? 😭

[tall notch]

How much does maxxed Mel torch give?

[bleak night]

It's not really a meme if it's a good use for it with little to no investment required

[civic ocean]

2.5

[tall notch]

Huh so the Charon cast duration is better than Mel torches

[bleak night]

Seems like it

[ionic moon]

yeah but the point of mel torches is to stack more specials at the same time

[tall notch]

I wonder how would Aphro cast do. I don't expect it to perform as well as Zeus but pulling enemies into yourself would be hilarious

[slate pecan]

Is that the country where singles at 25 are thrown cinnamon at?

[civic ocean]

Both builds want the damaging casts sadly

[proven orbit]

Aside from having an easy uptime on stronger Weak idk why would you wanna surround yourself with enemies from the suck

[tall notch]

Memes

[proven orbit]

The dna of the soul

[civic ocean]

pulling enemies into the spin is not that bad tbh

[proven orbit]

local climate aphro works as pink aura evolution

[tall notch]

Does pulling enemies interrupt attacks?

[civic ocean]

Nah it works like pos waves IIRC

[timber pawn]

I don't think so lol, so you're pulling hitboxes toward you

[tall notch]

REVENGE BUILD META

[civic ocean]

Is the axe spin hitbox disjointed

[proven orbit]

Aside from moon water upgrade, is there any way to force on damage taken effects to work?

[civic ocean]

get lots of hp and dmg reductions

[tall notch]

I played aphro cast on Eos in my 43 because Dem refused to show up but I think freezing is better than the pulls

[proven orbit]

coarse grit but with revenge boons, got it

[slate pecan]

Armor works too I think

[civic ocean]

Mynt did the Luigi kill with Hera/Apollo

[timber pawn]

On Apollo yes, kekw. Not sure at standard size

[proven orbit]

I initially meant something like H1 duo boon that triggered effects every ~4s btw

Because getting hit is obviously a thing

[timber pawn]

Other hexes, that's it though afaik

[civic ocean]

Nah it's just the revenge boons from apollo/hera/zeus

[tall notch]

Can't you give your revenge boons to ressed minions with a purple node?

[civic ocean]

yeah some hex shenaniganery too

[timber pawn]

Believe so ya

Hexes will be funky when they get buffed

[ionic moon]

which is a big investment with terrible ROI

[tall notch]

Make ress cost less mana so that a base mana pool is enough to use base ress hex and it's gonna be big

Even room1

[ionic moon]

you can't even res more than 1 minion at a time, let us spam night bloom

[tall notch]

also yes i want to do the hecate tech more often

[civic ocean]

what's the hecate tech

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1244662882507952169/1244664340024528977/korb.mp4?ex=6658927f&is=665740ff&hm=f5cc94feb72ef011852a9401781238c966a3e2a8640241facc45a5aad70ed912&

Did it send? I'm on mobile data with crappy signal

[civic ocean]

yeah it sent

[timber pawn]

Huge

[civic ocean]

why didnt u just dash behind frinos lmao

[slate pecan]

Damn this is fire

[glacial pike]

Nah bro once I summoned a armor satyr hoplite into chronos fight and I had an upgrade that made minions attack 60% faster and each hit from his dealt like 300

[tall notch]

Antler likes cat

[civic ocean]

oh okay

[pulsar wing]

Moonstone Axe spin attack

[proven orbit]

I suppose high fear folk will like cat more because +1 dd slot is big

[tall notch]

With cat, even with titan I'll ress below 30hp on my DDs

[civic ocean]

the only time I summoned smth was in the Chronos fight and Pink Aura immediately shredded it

why is friendly fire on man

[proven orbit]

friendly fire, isn't!

[tall notch]

Hera meta to damage your own night bloom with hitch

[proven orbit]

skelly's curse, of course

[bleak night]

literally what I do

[civic ocean]

It was Sun Worshipper IIRC

[proven orbit]

Hold on a moment

[slate pecan]

Meanwhile I, pepega, upgraded cat to 40 🤦‍♂️

[low bear]

Why does the -2 mana on the hammer torch special sound like a joke

[proven orbit]

New meme cook inbound?

[civic ocean]

Clean Helix? It's super good

[tall notch]

Normal DDs still ress you below 30

[tall notch]

Yeah I told you to pick it iirc

[civic ocean]

Less about the cost more about the speedge

[low bear]

The charge speed is good but the -2 mp seems inconsequential lol

[civic ocean]

its like fine yeah

it's easier to get mana than it is to get channel speed

[slate pecan]

It's welcome when u don't have a huge mana pool

[tall notch]

It'll net an extra use on certain mana breakpoints I guess?

[merry flint]

Clean Helix when you're counting on your torches to fill Hexes -

[timber pawn]

It'd be more relevant if hera gain wasn't the only thing that works on torches lol

[low bear]

For sure the charge speed is amazing but the -2 seems kinda random lol

[civic ocean]

I think other gains are like fine up to Tart and then you throw Wheel on for Tart and you go crazy

[low bear]

Like the -3 on the attack is actually huge but the -2 here seems random

[tall notch]

Obviously, staff and dagger hammers were made by Daedalus while torch, skull and axe were Icarus practicing

[low bear]

Zeus gain seems pretty bad due to its interaction with priming

[timber pawn]

Skull hammers work pretty well

[civic ocean]

Daedalus made Sudden Cleaver and Psychic Whirlwind and then went on holidays

[timber pawn]

It does lock you out of a lot of other priming boons, ya

[merry flint]

no clearly momus was made by icarus, everything else was made by china

[tall notch]

He cooked a few times but burnt most of them

[low bear]

Even just priming due to vows in general

[civic ocean]

Ionic Gain is pretty bad yeah

[low bear]

Feels like it should take percentage of your usable mana

[tall notch]

Even Hestia regen (by no means op btw) is leagues above Ionic

[slate pecan]

And a lesser percentage, too!

[tall notch]

Less punish more mana

[low bear]

Also make the gain fixed and make the percentage go down per scaling seems like it would be good

[civic ocean]

there's been a few sensible suggestions, like making primed mana also reduce by 70%, making Ionic Gain be a one time effect and not apply to future mana potions, or just having Ionic be "prime X mana, then give Y mana regen"

[slate pecan]

I like this one

[crystal wyvern]

hey do poseidon's splashes scale with weapon damage / critical chance?

[civic ocean]

no, yes

[crystal wyvern]

ty very much, trying to figure how to build when using aspect of artemis

[steel sequoia]

my most fast run with charon now, and could be faster tbh i entered some extra rooms https://postimg.cc/rzTYm6pD

[civic ocean]

Poseidon's waves scale with global dmg % and crit chance, but do not scale with weapon damage

[bleak night]

Oh, I think people mostly just use Aphro on Artemis

[low bear]

also is it just me or does Tartarus kinda feel bad to play due to no rewards

[tall notch]

Arty is an "be an assassin, teleport around" aspect that wants omega attack scaling

[crystal wyvern]

I like aphro but I was wandering if it was possible to add some more aoe damage

[bleak night]

Apollo

[civic ocean]

wdym there's rewards!

[low bear]

at high fear there isn't lol

[tall notch]

Hera is a safe pick if u like aoe

[civic ocean]

Why not?

[tall notch]

You can do tart elite if not on a tight timer

[low bear]

it's usually not advised to take the side rooms due to tight deadline

[tall notch]

With 7 min deadline you can

[civic ocean]

I feel like I take the miniboss room in Tartarus like 30% of the time on 7 minute runs? And like 35% of the time on 5 minute Torches?

7 minute timer I avoid the extra rooms mostly because I feel like they'll kick my ass

[proven orbit]

miniboss rooms are so fast compared to regular rooms, it's funny

[timber pawn]

Depends if you have an armor melt hammer

[tall notch]

I usually don't want boons by that point because of pencil meta suggesting they'll ruin me

[low bear]

if you have something to melt their armor yeah

[timber pawn]

Bosses take 2 seconds if you do lol

[civic ocean]

Most builds by tart are shredding the tart minibosses let's be real

[low bear]

but otherwise ehh even on 7 minute I find it's mostly not worth it

[timber pawn]

But ya on high fear I tend not to touch any boons in tart. I make bad decisions and blow up my build

[low bear]

wait what's tart

[civic ocean]

Tartarus

[proven orbit]

tart(arus)

pos(eidon)
bis (best in slot)

[low bear]

ahh well I do have scuff builds going into tart sometimes where stuff has gone wrong during the run

[proven orbit]

that sounded funnier in my head

[civic ocean]

Like if you got through the 20k HP DPS check standing on top of the door to Tartarus you probably don't have any difficulty with Goldwrath and the super satyr

[timber pawn]

Bis (me). I spent a lot of time in an ffxiv discord where people asked 'what's Bis' a lot.

[ember frigate]

when activating arcana cards: better to have dodge chance or duo boon chance? (i can upgrade them if needed)

[proven orbit]

Incredible

[tall notch]

Yeah high fear it'd be surprising if you make it to tart with a build that can't deal with the elites

[timber pawn]

Dodge chance generally better

[low bear]

I feel like I do pretty often

[proven orbit]

Really need that middle management soon

[civic ocean]

Depends - a lot of us are just manipulating Vow of Forsaking to give us duos and legendaries

[timber pawn]

Me desperately hoping spiteful will finally show up

[proven orbit]

Elites just don't stand a chance otherwise

[low bear]

like with a bad build I can get through Cerberus consistently but I know that I'm screwed when Tartarus comes due to low time (because my build was scuff) and no rewards

[civic ocean]

I find people super underrate the well

[tall notch]

If i don't see spiteful by Erebus elite I'll take hera attack (assuming I didn't forsake it)

[low bear]

I use the well too of course

[civic ocean]

by EREBUS elite!?

[timber pawn]

Probably the best approach, I might wait till fields though

[civic ocean]

that's like room 6!

[timber pawn]

I assume this approach might be at 43

[low bear]

it's almost impossible to make a "comeback" in tartarus so to speak

[civic ocean]

Surely you can cook a little while longer

[tall notch]

Yeah and Erebus is the hardest region 😭
If I'm running 5 mins timer I don't want to touch Hecate without an attack. 7 mins maybe I'm a bit more lenient

[timber pawn]

You need the damage way sooner at 43 I'd think

[civic ocean]

dang thats tough

how often do you get spiteful from the Erebus elite

and what happens if you forsook Sworn Strike for Born Gain

[low bear]

if you're already melting minibosses in Tartarus then you probably didn't need that reward room anyway

[civic ocean]

sometimes you do for defense

[bleak night]

but what if I wanted to melt Chronos faster

[civic ocean]

like a 6th earth for CG or a Water Fitness or smth

[timber pawn]

Also me hunting for trusty shield I never got

[low bear]

I guess but that's kinda rare and inconsistent

[merry flint]

just do money laundering and buy stuff from charon

[low bear]

I absolutely hate CHaron's overpriced boons too lol

[civic ocean]

If I'm doing money laundering and I have HAHA YES I am 100% taking the triple money room

[merry flint]

Charon boons are cheaper than ever

[slate pecan]

Sometimes I clear easily but struggle with Chron. Pan

[low bear]

just give me the normal one, I don't want this premium vintage shiny crap

[merry flint]

money is def tighter in h1

[tall notch]

There is a reason why i don't play it very often. And if I forsake hera attack I'll either hope to get the spiteful with all rerolls or take Dem attack with Chaos giving me % scaling

[proven orbit]

I don't remember a singular surface run when I had less than 700 gold going into eris fight

It's so goofy

[bleak night]

do you not spend on the discounted stuff from the Hermes delivery service ?

[low bear]

wouldn't it be cool if we got an Underworld to Surface run or vice versa

[proven orbit]

I didn't spend on immediate delivery, yeah

[tall notch]

I thought you'll go to Tart after Eris at first

[bleak night]

You know what'd be a neat idea? Relay runs

[low bear]

wdym by relay run

[civic ocean]

This winter let's submit a 32 Heat/Fear all 12 weapons relay to AGDQ

[bleak night]

Start a run and end it in biome 1, then send the code to a friend for them to continue it

[steel sequoia]

if you have money in surface its because u didnt entered the bonus rooms with turtle shop

[low bear]

I can see it happening like you beat Chronos in Tartarus then he rushes out of the Underworld to attack Olympus and you chase him

[slate pecan]

Lol this is so silly I love it

[low bear]

that would be cool yeah and I think modders could probably even implement it

like it would just be importing your save to another person and having them play it essentially

[slate pecan]

"did they forsake slippery slope or not?"

[tall notch]

I'm still hoping for custom Chaos trials

[slate pecan]

I mean crushing wave*

[bleak night]

Watch out for my Level 50 Aphrodite Attack Big Chop x2 build

[low bear]

getting crushing wave and slip in the same selection is pain

[tall notch]

I could build the dream Eos setup to convert people to Eos

[slate pecan]

If I have many rolls sometimes I roll it lol

And don't have hydraulic yet. Because if I do I probably will see slip crushing again

[sour cape]

Is there any way to keep track of what boons were forsaken?

[proven orbit]

I spent about 6 rerolls to be able to keep coarse grit and winter harvest prereqs in the same run

[tall notch]

Pencil meta

[civic ocean]

Pencil meta

[low bear]

memory meta

[sour cape]

💀

[proven orbit]

Steam notes meta

[low bear]

just don't forget

[civic ocean]

Just be goated true

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1239231202674606130/1244707733601779712/rn_image_picker_lib_temp_7f137de1-390d-41d3-af13-bba37a480155.jpg?ex=665617e9&is=6654c669&hm=3444686c274587870b531d0caec7de7f7f63a26a70a854f82266a895c328dcd1&
Don't mind the atrocious handwriting I can read it fine

[low bear]

this would be an actually useful use of forget-me-nots lol

[bleak night]

just use spreadsheets pls

[civic ocean]

Never

[low bear]

also I hate that I can't check codex while choosing a boon

[civic ocean]

We'll use spreadsheets when u drop the left joycon bub

[bleak night]

[slate pecan]

Your handwriting > mine tbh

[steel sequoia]

i dislike this

[bleak night]

I still need to play 4 more Charon runs

so it can be my 3rd most played Aspect behind Than and Mel Axe

[steel sequoia]

i might have overplayed charo past days

lemme check stats

[dusty sapphire]

I am just having an extremely hard time beating td3. Like really, really hard time. I'm losing time in Erebus and the Mourning Fields. Unless I bring a ridiculously strong build that gets online really quick like Momus, I just cannot seem to beat the deadline, let alone save enough time to be comfortable like I could in H1.

[slate pecan]

Alright folks gotta get off the train soon been fun ty all

[tall notch]

TD might be harder by design

[low bear]

it's kinda bs that TD doesn't slow down when you slow down time

[tall notch]

See u! I'm getting on my plane soon too

[timber pawn]

Erebus is definitely the hardest on td3 and by fields you kind of need your build to be online. What have you been trying?

[low bear]

it feels like it should

[bleak night]

ttyl

[slate pecan]

Have a nice flight!

[tall notch]

Curiously, damage from going overtime does

[bleak night]

oooh, have a safe flight

[timber pawn]

Safe travels friends!

[low bear]

yeah I hope they make it a feature tbh like it would be cool seeing the timer itself slow down when timey wimey stuff happens

[dusty sapphire]

I've been going with Aspect of Medea Aphro attack, Apollo spesh which seems fairly strong, it deals damage in the low hundreds per attack, and it's online by Mourning Fields, it's just that since I didn't save any time in Erebus or Oceanus, Mourning Fields is quite hard in 5 min

[low bear]

we already have encounters that doesn't move the timer anyway so it's not an accurate representation of your actual playtime

[timber pawn]

If you're doing medea try going Zeus special as your first boon. It's commonly considered the strongest

[sour cape]

Yea but then speedrunners would need to be using sorceress if it did 😭

[dusty sapphire]

I'm fairly sure I need to optimize Erebus somehow. I know in H1 Tartarus was actually the hardest part of Td3.

[timber pawn]

That's the current speedrun strat

[tall notch]

Thing is that'd make timestop spam outright mandatory

[sour cape]

Which id be fine with

but speedrunning would prob not be happy

[low bear]

it wold make Selene hex actually good

[tall notch]

Like "put down a cast and keep time perma slowed" level of mandatory

[dusty sapphire]

I did try that, it does seem pretty good, I was going with Apollo because the wider special area makes it easier to aim and he also has Extra Dose which is quite good. But it is harder to activate Origination which is costing me damage in a lot of runs. Yeah I suppose I'll try Zeus first again.

[tall notch]

It would be seriously unfun to play

[sour cape]

Well you wouldnt have to do that

[low bear]

what would you be achieving with doing that though

[sour cape]

Except for speedrunning which isnt an in game thing

[timber pawn]

Other things that can speed up erebus (if you aren't doing damage control) is engagement ring, heras cast. It one shots the witches during Hecates invuln stages, and can help clean up small enemies in big erebus rooms

[sour cape]

Achieving the best time

[low bear]

you put down cast and hold it and you can't do anything else

[steel sequoia]

playstats so far https://postimg.cc/QHYFC3js https://postimg.cc/QHYFC3js need to play charon more

[tall notch]

Your damage like dem casts tick at normal rate, cast builds would get like 5x the time with sorceress abuse

[dusty sapphire]

True, I'm often getting poly'd in Hecate fight which doesn't help, and the witches are definitely giving me trouble

[sour cape]

Presumably that'll be fixed

[timber pawn]

Also broadly making sure you're taking every chaos gate/event/shop room. And ya getting sheeped is like 30s time loss which is a big deal

[dusty sapphire]

The issue is the witches are too spread apart to Omega Special and dealing with them individuall takes too long to pick up the skulls.

[tall notch]

Fixed how? It's a feature, casts are a mel thing and time doesn't slow down for you

[timber pawn]

Have you watched a medea speedrun? It may help with your general approach

[dusty sapphire]

Yeah I'm familiar with the H1 tactics so I'm taking every free room of course. Definitely gonna practice avoiding the poly

[sour cape]

But slowing down time should also slow down casts once placed because you shouldnt be attacking while channeling

[tall notch]

The design of slowing down time isn't compatible with making igt follow it

If you get sheeped on td3 it might be better to tank damage and die to remove it

[steel sequoia]

im confused looks like there is 2 aspects of mel flames in my stats lmao

[timber pawn]

Usually I run frog and try to really make sure I know where frog is when the poly is about to happen

[dusty sapphire]

I think what I'll do is, I'll grind Erebus to optimize it down to ~3 min. I think the snowball effect of not saving time from there is costing me dearly.

[tall notch]

3 min Erebus isn't consistent

[timber pawn]

Fwiw I have a lot of successful 32 runs at 4-4:30 erebus

As long as your build starts scaling from there you can make it work

[bleak night]

we need a Frinos emote

[timber pawn]

[tall notch]

Tbf you can afford to run out of time in Erebus and tank the 5 dmg/sec for final part of Hecate. Oceanus is fast and should save u time

[bleak night]

oh

[steel sequoia]

we need a "haha, yes" emote

[timber pawn]

Also are you running a full 32 setup or just td3

[dusty sapphire]

I save roughly ~30 sec in Oceanus right now which isn't enough for Mourning Fields

[dusty sapphire]

I'm running 23 heat, most of the free heats + fury and desperation (baseline heat to get used to it)

[bleak night]

[steel sequoia]

thats only pos emote

[tall notch]

Then I think you need to optimise your Oceanus, not Erebus

[bleak night]

Toula emote when

[timber pawn]

Okay, so no revenant, no extra enemies, no enemy hp

[dusty sapphire]

Wait yes revenant I thought it'd be a good one to get used to. Full setup is haunting2, arrogance2, forsaking, fury2, desperation3, wandering2

[timber pawn]

Revenant is awful for time

[dusty sapphire]

it's such a temping source of fear tho. But I suppose you're right

[tall notch]

I mean yeah learning revs will go a long way

[dusty sapphire]

maybe better to learn without revs first then

[tall notch]

I default to rev1 unless time is really tight

[dusty sapphire]

funny thing is fury2 doesn't seem as bad as fo2 did in h1. maybe it's cause I'm already used to fo2

[timber pawn]

Chronos is kinda stupid/glitchy rn on fury 2 but I've been running it too

[tall notch]

This game is slower paced. I did a run of h1 yesterday and felt it immediately

[steel sequoia]

chronos and poly are hard on fo2

[bleak night]

true

[timber pawn]

Consider some scars vow, and destitution

[dusty sapphire]

oh I haven't done surface with fury2 perhaps I'll change my tune. chronos is hard but not that much harder than normal ig

[dusty sapphire]

I'll do that once I get to 32, for now I'm basically just trying to get used to fury2 desperation3 with the free-ish heats

slightly scared of scars without stubborn defiance

[bleak night]

stubborn defiance being put into a keepsake and being able to exist with 3 dds is funny

[timber pawn]

Trusty shield becomes very valuable as a single boon, same with mint condition (two heph defensive boons)

[dusty sapphire]

stubborn defiance is in a keepsake ⁉️

[bleak night]

Yeah, Moros'

[timber pawn]

Ya but it's one use per room, and keepsakes are better in this game

[dusty sapphire]

we have stubborn defiance at home. sd at home: engraved pin

[bleak night]

it's once per room and you gotta clear it within 10 seconds of it activating if you wanna get that life back

[sour cape]

What did Stubborn do in H1?

[dusty sapphire]

30% dd once per room

[bleak night]

one dd only, but if it was used up it will refresh after that encounter

[tall notch]

Armor stacking

[sour cape]

Ohhh dang thats pretty good for getting ti bosses

[mystic bison]

Moros Keepsake is pretty good

[dusty sapphire]

what builds like heph tho is the issue. esp medea

[mystic bison]

In high fear it can esp save your run

[sour cape]

It can be hard to tell if its truly the last wave though 💀

[tall notch]

Hera Heph Dem is a weapon agnostic defensive combo

[proven orbit]

Win through refusing to leave the room

[mystic bison]

Without more % enemies vow I have a general idea when it stops

[tall notch]

Middle seat 😭

[sour cape]

Yea I play with more enemies and the waves of enemies gets 💀💀

[proven orbit]

hades 1 waves were "small wave, smaller wave, dumps the rest of the trashcan on you"
hades 2 waves are incomprehensible to me

[sour cape]

H2 is like tides of enemies

[mystic bison]

That's why I hate that vow and never enable it

[timber pawn]

Oh no, long flight?

[mystic bison]

I hate anything that makes the fight longer than it should be

[tall notch]

3 hours-ish

[timber pawn]

This is more relevant at 32 but you can go Zeus heph dem in that order. Zeus special is strong enough you don't need a ton else

[tall notch]

I'll take it over stronger 1st hit without Heph

[sour cape]

Whats worse more enemies or Revs?

[timber pawn]

Enemies from what I understand

[sour cape]

They both seem to be 3 🤔

[tall notch]

Revs are 2

[sour cape]

Oh?

nvm thats pretty low value 😔😔

[tall notch]

Imo rev1 is free

[sour cape]

Not when theres more enemies too 😭😭

[timber pawn]

Ya Rev 1 isn't too bad. 2 is rough though, in Oceanus especially

[proven orbit]

rev sounds soo bad

[mystic bison]

More enemies are worse

[tall notch]

Have you played Transistor?

[timber pawn]

Problem is it is really unfun too imo

[sour cape]

More enemies + 2 Revs is a nightmare

[mystic bison]

Man I hated that limiter in transistor that made the cells shielded

[paper tapir]

what do you guys usually use with heph? i feel like his boons are not that good

[tall notch]

Maybe it's because of how much Eos is chilling with revenants but I really don't struggle with rev1

[tall notch]

Armor and mint condition

[sour cape]

Do you also run more enemies?

[tall notch]

Only at fear level where I have to

[mystic bison]

I don't think Rev 2 is that bad either, there can be some Oceanus rooms that suck with it but generally it's doable

[tall notch]

My 43 is everything except onion, td3 and arcana disabled

[sour cape]

Why no Onion?

[tall notch]

I loathe onion

[sour cape]

😎

[tall notch]

I'll turn on td3 for 46 fear before onion

[paper tapir]

is mint condition that good?

[tall notch]

Oh also no panic forgot about it

[sour cape]

Why no panic?

[tall notch]

Yeah you can clear at least 1 wave, an elite and a phase of a boss fight before it runs out

[tall notch]

Eos needs its mana

[sour cape]

Oh

[mystic bison]

In Thesally you can clear entire encounters before Mint Condition expires

[sour cape]

and cant start Hera?

[gilded kernel]

there, 32 Fear is done

[sour cape]

Nice!!

[tall notch]

I can start hera but panic means a hammer start is a reset (even if it's my best hammer) and in Erebus it's possible to oom with born gain

[gilded kernel]

did anyone manage to beat 55 Fear or whatever the cap is rn

[mystic bison]

GG

[visual haven]

which special boon is best for pan aspect, aphro or apollo?

[sour cape]

Truee, do you go strength?

[mystic bison]

Poseidon

[low bear]

55 fear seems impossible, the arcana vow is crazy

[tall notch]

Yes with antler, not otherwise

[timber pawn]

I'm watching someone run 32 with no timer at all and it looks like hell

[sour cape]

I run it with no timer and theres soooo many enemies 😭😭

[tall notch]

55 fear should be technically possible but ridiculous degree of rng

[low bear]

my first 32 was without a timer

[gilded kernel]

I mean, Hades 1 had an equivalent thing

[timber pawn]

Arcana imo more impactful than mirror

[mystic bison]

Arcana is more crucial than the mirror yeah

[low bear]

that vow should just force you to use judgement instead or something

[tall notch]

Tbf routine inspection did make 64 almost impossible too. Did anything but Zeus shield clear?

[gilded kernel]

nope

[low bear]

nope

and 5 fear is not nearly enough justice lol

[tall notch]

It was largely because of 1 dash wasn't it

[gilded kernel]

I can't imagine anything else but the shield doing something like that

[mystic bison]

There are only 2 people who cleared 64 AFAIK, both Zeus shield I think

[tall notch]

H2 one dash feels decent because you get the sprint and Mel is built around it but 1 dash Zag was miserable to play

[gilded kernel]

what's the WR on Fear in Hades 2?

[low bear]

only Zeus shield with epic special is strong enough to get through the tight deadline since it doesn't require a lot for the build to go online

though you still need things like jolted I think

[tall notch]

I didn't do fresh file because I couldn't do dad with 1 dash

[visual haven]

damn posiedon went from a niche god in first game. To being such a powerful one lol

[tall notch]

And a specific hammer i believe

[low bear]

also Hermes seems kinda meh in this game compared to 1

[gilded kernel]

is it just me or crit seems kind of underwhelming in H2

[low bear]

I wish he had better stuff

[tall notch]

Do you have white antler?

[low bear]

ah yeah explosive return too iirc

[gilded kernel]

I don't memorise names of stuff, what's that

[low bear]

artemis keepsake

[tall notch]

+40% crit chance at 30hp or less

Anyway i gtg now plane about to start

[low bear]

is white antler regularly used for 32 fear builds?

just curious

[gilded kernel]

i have no idea what i'm doing, I just beat 32 Fear today on both underworld and surface, doing my own thing, I was probably super unoptimal, I didn't use that, I used Poseidon and Luckier Tooth

[low bear]

I feel like it isn't used regularly

[sour cape]

Can be, high risk, high dmg

[low bear]

and poseidon + lucky tooth is common for 32

[sour cape]

Momus or Pan Poseidon is probably the current meta builds for high fears

[ember frigate]

artemis? (just realised you were talking about high fear)

[sour cape]

Artemis I dont see much

the no time slow can make Chronos challenging

Plus is mana reliant and you need to pop shields

[low bear]

I did have one run where I put white antler on tartarus because I was about to lose to tight deadline lol I made it with 0 time and 28 HP left

[gilded kernel]

did you guys finish all the chaos trials, some of these seem hard af

[sour cape]

I did

[brave owl]

hello, frens

[sour cape]

Than, Eos and Haste trials were soooo hard

Eos I had to use god mode after failing a bunch and charged to 46%

[gilded kernel]

actually, engraved pin seems like a good keepsake for high fear

[steel sequoia]

i was lucky in one eos that i found an hestia boon that took the other boon that was chewing my life to 25

[civic ocean]

its pretty good for oceanus and fields

[steel sequoia]

or was mel? cant remember, thought it were eos

[sour cape]

Must be Mel since Eos is inly Aphrodite

[steel sequoia]

i didnt finished my haste trial yet

waiting for the controller to help, im too slow

[sour cape]

Yea that one feels like get lucky into a good huild

I barely got it at 15 hp left

[proven orbit]

Nope

[proven orbit]

That's the part of it, taking a stroll spamming E or smth

[merry flint]

you just need to run into revanants

the problem is obviously running into a bullet hell with no divine dash

[proven orbit]

Ah, I guess it's slightly better

[civic ocean]

Revs seem like they'd be good with Torches due to the mobility and dmg

[proven orbit]

Torch mobility is a hoax because you might as well be dashstriking instead

[sour cape]

You mean skull?

[civic ocean]

What no way Torch mobility is cracked

[sour cape]

Its got the mobility

[merry flint]

torch mobility is w/e

[sour cape]

Whats torches got over the others 🤔🤔

Dagger and skull got extra mobility options

[civic ocean]

It's so good to be able to keep your damage up while dashing and sprinting depending on aspect

[merry flint]

really good at spreading status
decently mobile while spamming attack

[civic ocean]

I make YT vid I show I show no big deal

[merry flint]

uhh that's about it ig

[civic ocean]

Mel torches are soooo mobile you basically get to sprint around while dealing mondo dmg

[sour cape]

[civic ocean]

You just gotta be nice with it I'll show

It does take practice though

[wild pine]

wat

[bleak night]

Yeah

Just interact with the golden orb, and then stay out of the circle for 5 seconds. You instantly get thrown out of there and into the next room

[wild pine]

wild

[sour cape]

You lose the reward though

But that rooms so hard that often worth it 💀

[steel sequoia]

didnt knew that, thought i would die, tho for bad rewards like ash is worth lol

[oblique shell]

Anyone think about how Hitch is weaponized polyamory?

[civic ocean]

Is engagement ring a metaphor for how weddings drain the life of everyone who attends

[ionic moon]

then there's bridal glow...

[tame vapor]

does anybody know how the shotgun hammer works with melione skull

?

[proven orbit]

Bad

It counts as if you have 0 skulls eligible for the effect

[sturdy quarry]

does blackened fleece work after changing the keepsake ?

[civic ocean]

nyet

[merry flint]

Shared Suffering H1 -> Hitch H2
What did the devs mean by this

[mystic bison]

Persephone is fun https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1242098453979598872/1245472653658030250/Screenshot_4087.png?ex=6658e04c&is=66578ecc&hm=394d528aaa3c1b499dac52ee909942619d3d67595df4678c96a4232ac205b8b2&

Also Circe's keepsake CAN give you Judgement!

[bleak night]

Bit of a gamble tho