h2-builds-and-combat

[vapid hatch]

but I have gotten it only once yet

[bleak night]

apparently you need a chaos boon beforehand so it'll have a chance to be offered. I've only seen this twice so far

[turbid hull]

You need chaos boon beforehand and afterwards it's 10% I believe

[vapid hatch]

I had runs that had 3+ chaos boons before that, got nothing close to that ;-;

this run I only had 1 beforehand

[tender anvil]

So take as many chaos gates as possible, and reroll after the first gate is the way to go?

[bleak night]

I'm unsure if the keepsake's boon counts toward it

[vapid hatch]

dont think so

[vapid hatch]

I was just running underworld, taking any gates of ixion from charon, and that was about it (I am still missing like 9 nightmares (2 aspects)). The amount of runs I did when I started focusing on this was maybe around 50 or so

[acoustic sleet]

Fun axe of Charon tech
if you get the "YOu can channel +15 mana into your special to fire it twice"

The delay is long enough to let you go Cast -> Channel -> Detonates first cast -> Immediately hit cast again -> Second cast immediately detonates
combine with anything like Apollo or Posiden cast for massive damage

[cedar oak]

do not pick the Chaos boon where you lose health when you use omega attacks with the skulls and the hammer upgrade that the skulls automatically trigger an omega attack when you pick them up...

[bleak night]

That might not be intended, did you F10 it ?

[cedar oak]

no, I fully blamed it on my own stupiditiy lmao

[bleak night]

Oooh, might not be good with Apollo then. Since you have to wait for his entire Solar Explosion to end before you can put down another cast circle. Poseidon probs good on it tho

[bleak night]

Probs not an interaction meant to happen, you can probs report it on #h2-feedback if no F10

[cedar oak]

idk it was kind of funny in a OH GOD NO way (toula really came through for me )

[bleak night]

I'd probably laugh too if my run got screwed over by that ngl

[cedar oak]

😎 I finished it (but only because I got lucky and recovered the two DDs I lost)

[dusty sapphire]

Any good ways to use keen intuition? The damage boots seems pretty high but it's pretty hard to maintain 100% magic consistently

[bleak night]

Use Hera's mana regen thing, it returns your mana back to 100% consistently when it reaches 0

[merry flint]

born gain is the obvious answer

[vapid hatch]

born gain is slightly broken

[dusty sapphire]

But it does Prime, even if only a little bit. Does that count

[bleak night]

[merry flint]

0/0 magic is still full

[bleak night]

It counts, yeah. Also the priming is only for that room, so dw

[dusty sapphire]

Yeah I know that I was just asking whether the interaction worked tho it would be a bit dumb if it didn't

[bleak night]

It does, at least

[dusty sapphire]

I suppose what you do is keep a low amount of total mana so that you can run out constantly

[bleak night]

or you can work towards Apollo Legendary and grab some chargetime reduction boons so you can belt it out constantly

[cedar oak]

there's also a chaos boon that'll restore your magick super quickly

[bleak night]

probs better to get chargetime reduc in most cases

Mana regen is fine to have, that being said

[acoustic sleet]

Oh, that's rude of Apollo. Super rude. I was doing it with Posiden just now and it rocks though

[turbid hull]

yeah, Heroic goes up to 24 per sec

[proven orbit]

I would of said it's busted but then you can also stack 60ish% attack boons from chaos multiple time

So it's just chaos being goated in general

[tall notch]

1 mana omegas with Chaos reduction are hilarious

[broken ingot]

The spin to win axe build has got to be one of my favorites

get Flutter Strike as strong as possible, grab Exceptional Talent and Weed Killer, then just go to town

[tender anvil]

What are the best hammers for Eos? Omega attack cost reduction looks like the best, are there any other outstanding options?

Split fire seems like a downgrade weirdly enough, can’t get the backward hit correctly

[tall notch]

Fire rate in exchange for movement speed and attack damage + movement speed during channel are both good

Yeah split fire is awkward. Dire fire is a downgrade too

Hammers that work with regular special can be alright too since I like weaving in specials between mob spawns/boss intermissions

[tender anvil]

Got it, cheers. Just got to Chronos on 40 fear Eos. What killed my run was an awkward weed killer pick, never again.

[tall notch]

Yeah for weed killer you need either a ton of mana with high rarity pommed born gain or Chaos mana cost reduction

With like common/rare gain and no Chaos you're going to oom

Sounds like you got it though! Are you doing Hera start or antler start?

[tender anvil]

Hera. Doing 7 min timer, still tinkering with vow setup (extra spawns/ enemy hp / revenants)

[past salmon]

The closest I ever got to priming out on born gain was an Eos run with Apollo legendary and weed killer lmao.
I had like a decently sized mana pool too

[tall notch]

I'll personally recommend 1 rev, it's somehow way easier than 2 rev

[tender anvil]

Wiped on Chronis, for that matter. Got to him with severely depleted hp, due to long engagements with extra spawns in Tartarus, while out of mana due to weed killer

[past salmon]

I will honestly take more painful stuff over any rev at this point
It just annoys me too much

[bleak night]

Kinda wish we'd get a timer for when Mint Condition and Hydraulic Might end

[tall notch]

There being fewer of them means you can dash into most of them safely and can deal with something respawning every now and then because 7 min

[bleak night]

maybe a little gauge somewhere

[timber pawn]

Audio cue or some sort of countdown gauge ya

[tender anvil]

Yeah, one rev is what I’m running. It also sharply decreases the chance of consecutive respawns

[bleak night]

just general QoL, yeah

[tall notch]

Hydraulic might isn't as crucial because you'll be playing the same with or without it but for mint it'd be good to know when "run into everyone" mode is over

[bleak night]

I suppose

though if they make one for Mint Condition, Hydraulic Might's is just an effortless reskin is all

[tall notch]

Sounds like you got it if you don't take weed killer

[past salmon]

I have lost more than one 40 heat run to mistiming mint
Like sure I shouldn't be playing that agro anyway
But it would be nice to have literally any indication it's ending

[timber pawn]

Even like a moros countdown or something

[tender anvil]

I propose we rename it to Mynt Condition, in honor of your 49 no arcana run

[inland vapor]

Hey guys, I'm on night 51 and still unable to beat Chronos. I'm exclusively using the staff of Melinoe. Can anyone recommend any boons to look out for coz I'm just winging it at the moment. I'm not great at these fast paced games but I really want to finally get a win. 😆

[tall notch]

Maybe we're supposed to take a heph core boon, proc it at the start of a room and use that as our mynt condition timer

[bleak night]

dear god no lmao

[tender anvil]

Yeah, should be achievable, hope I get a good seed sooner rather than later

[timber pawn]

Do you have access to aspects? Or just the base Mel staff

[steel sequoia]

have you tried momus or other aspect?

[inland vapor]

I'm using the upgraded aspect of Melinoe

[past salmon]

God I hate heph core boons so much
Do people like them?
The only time I'm taking it is on like axe special or smth in an attack build

[steel sequoia]

maybe you can get the win with an axe or momus staff aspect

[tall notch]

40 fear 7 mins most seeds are playable if you don't make too many mistakes which honestly I do lol

[tall notch]

I don't like them personally. Also I saw that edit

[inland vapor]

I have only tried a couple of runs with the axe but I found it waaay too slow. Maybe it's just me.

[past salmon]

Typing on phone moment

[tender anvil]

Eos is interesting in that the skill ceiling is extremely high, with backward hits and movement management to optimize dps while not dying.

[tall notch]

Also it feels like positioning is the most important thing for making sure auto aim does what you want it to

[steel sequoia]

if you upgrade its more helpfull, tho i think you shold try momus, its the easiest aspect to dig a win, we can coach you if you want

[tall notch]

I'm not 100% on this but it feels like the auto aim likes homing in on enemies you dash towards

[past salmon]

Eos is fun
Moros is probably my favourite Torches aspect just from like
Design
Too bad it kinda sucks

[steel sequoia]

the thing i find the most complicated is you have to dash forward sometimes to make the kills you need

[tender anvil]

I thing it reacts to the direction you’re pulling the movement stick, not just dashes

[inland vapor]

Is Momus the one where the omega channel gives you 5hp? I'll happily give it a try.

[steel sequoia]

yeah but the important part is that your special hits more hard, so you can get like poseidon special boon and just turbo special attacks and kill everything fast, also if you get the double moonshot hammer the run gets easy

@inland vapor if you know how to crowd control with your cast so far its a matter of time till you get your wins

[tall notch]

https://youtu.be/3CD40s-zK-w?si=SMjn13Twc6y0cCTO&t=159 like am I seeing things or did auto aim instantly switch over to the mobs at the bottom as I dashed towards them?

[inland vapor]

Ahhh, so start with Poseidon's keepsake and pray to the rng gods?

[steel sequoia]

basically this, but you only need the special boon to be honest, shouldnt be that hard to get

[merry flint]

You dont need to pray with vow of forsaking

[steel sequoia]

if u have reroll dices its fairly easy to get

[merry flint]

A few dice and forsaking and you can guarantee poseidon legendary every time

[tall notch]

This is about 1st Chronos kill I don't think think they can use forsaking

[steel sequoia]

yeah, you can get the special boon before hecat with no problems

[tall notch]

Yeah movement direction does something too but it feels to me like dashing makes it lock onto a different target quite aggressively

[steel sequoia]

@inland vapor try getting special poseidon and the double moonshot hammer, its a simple build you can do almost whatever you like after, mostly to survive and improve dmg.

[proven orbit]

I don't think a dedicated build relying on them and only them is good because it just doesn't have means to scale. That said, they are a perfect fit for abilities you use seldom/never otherwise

If you do an omega attack staff, you can slap heph special and it will carry some encounters e. g. by stripping armor in an eye's blink

[tall notch]

You could stack crit and global damage increases but it's gonna be more of a meme build still

[proven orbit]

Hm, never really thought global damage works

[tall notch]

I could swear furies were making it hit harder

[glossy rivet]

ayo how does zeus-demeter duo work and is it good?

[tall notch]

And antler was letting me crit

[glossy rivet]

i get more time to pop my blitz and when one activates all activates right?

[proven orbit]

iirc it's when one blitz activates it hits all enemies that have blitz

[tall notch]

Yeah. It's a nice upgrade for blitz builds that want Demeter but not strong enough to be build-around

[glossy rivet]

nice
does empowering guard work on ALL sources of damage? kinda like eris blast in h1?

[tall notch]

I'm 90% sure it does

[glossy rivet]

eris shield
eris shield

have 3 duos
tartarus embryo gives me 126% chant monka

works on both the omega special and the cast explosion for charon axe?

[kindred sonnet]

i had an idea of a weird alter of ash setup where you make use of the 0 grasp card that activates 5 random cards after clearing each guardian, but with an alter that doesnt have some of the more "useless" arcanas unlocked. Has anyone tested/ played around with this idea already?

[tall notch]

The issue is, you'll be weaker for early game even if you have the perfect save file set up for judgment. And Erebus is arguably the hardest part of high fear runs even if you have your 30 grasp setup

Judgement is a funny meme run/challenge thing but I can't see it as a real strat

[kindred sonnet]

ah really? i havent done high fear in this yet so in my mind i thought the later biomes would be the toughest like in hades1 where ely/EM4 are the real killers. ig if erebus is actually the hardest then this idea wouldnt amount to much

[tall notch]

Yeah the thing about high fear is tight deadline 3 is really... tight in Erebus

So you need all the power you can get. From there you can usually snowball with a powerful build

[kindred sonnet]

yeah ive been struggling with TD in this game, cant clear TD3 yet but i thought i was just bad

[tall notch]

You probably need some practice but it's not just you, with the other pacts TD3 requires insane rng. For 43 fear I prefer TD2 even though it's a harder pact because it meant fewer resets

[kindred sonnet]

though i tend to exceed it during the chronos fight since that takes a really long time for me currently

[tall notch]

From my experience, I can make the other regions on pace for 5 min timer with reasonable rng but Erebus takes forever when the build isn't complete

In my last 18:29 clear Erebus took over 6 mins lol

[viral marsh]

What do y'all think about staff, Zeus on attack, Hephaestus on special, toasting fork, and apocalyptic storm, so you can hit a whole bunch of enemies with blitz, then special 1 of them to activate all of the blitz at once?

[tall notch]

Can you explain what toasting fork and apocalyptic storm were? I don't remember every boon name yet

[viscid hill]

Anyone have a good build for the Sister Blades with the Aspect of Artemis? 😮

[viral marsh]

Apocalyptic storm activates all blitz at once, and toasting fork activates blitz even when missed, as a backup

[kindred sonnet]

i just go aphro attack and wing it tbh. look for a good hammer like the backstab one or the exploding omega attack one

[steel sequoia]

looks cool but how do you damge chronos?

[tall notch]

Apollo legendary and that +400% omega attack damage is fun for omega attack build

[sour cape]

You could go for Air Quality + Scorch with Zeus attack, Hestia special and their duo

that way scorch procs Blitz which then procs more scorcy

[steel sequoia]

looks more solid

[proven orbit]

Lol, a fusion reactor build

[sour cape]

Unfort that the build is pretty bricky if dont assemble the pieces 💀

[tall notch]

AIR FRYER

[sour cape]

But at least you can use Zeus cast lol

[midnight gate]

Aphro apollo for good attack damage and crazy amounts of heartthrob

[tall notch]

Air fryer is one of the SGG discord classics

[bleak night]

I still haven't tried that

[sour cape]

Well you do need to keep applying Blitz for it to continue

[steel sequoia]

im a pink aura fan and TDcast

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1240870334731653160/image.png?ex=6656a28e&is=6655510e&hm=85601b9b443d1fbbbf0c129898fe3d8fd1ecbf2192650eacdd2b7d9fb7ad963c&

[bleak night]

Saw this posted https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2449473777993686554/21C80907005A7059FFA5EA320031079350C26F7D/

pretty helpful

[timber pawn]

Oh that is a nice resource

[broken ingot]

https://imgur.com/a/Z3LASZT Finally hit my cast build

feels good

although a part of me wonders if I couldn't try going Poseidon with Torrential for faster stacking to see how high that could get

[bleak night]

Poseidon on Charon sounds really fun to test out

[midnight gate]

Is there a comprehensive list of all boon requirements

[tall notch]

Isn't Poseidon's whole thing the ability to nuke it instantly instead of having to wait? Sounds useless for Charon

[sour cape]

codex

[midnight gate]

Im kinda getting a feel for some of them but it would be nice to have a resource i can check

[sour cape]

Dont need to pay mana for it

[tall notch]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3243844568

[sour cape]

or channel

[tall notch]

Omega special costs more than omega casting

[sour cape]

but gwt the omega special dmg tooooo

2 for the price of 1!

[bleak night]

apparently if you get Apollo Legendary or the hammer that lets you shoot out a second blast, you can lay down 2 Geyser Rings in one rotation

[sour cape]

You can?

[tall notch]

Wait what

[bleak night]

I can do a run until I get it

[sour cape]

wouldnt first hit detonate it? 🤔

[midnight gate]

What happens if you get both. Can you get 3 rings

[tall notch]

If you can make it blast twice with Charon that could actually be big

But like if you're taking Apollo for the legendary you might as well just take Apollo cast

[midnight gate]

I need to try this

[bleak night]

unsure, I'll try a run out and hopefully luck into it

[lament glade]

i miss my meme beam

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1245034487155523716/image.png?ex=66574839&is=6655f6b9&hm=5654ccf5221a2b382d37f0021c03a04937e0536e5f0ef8521182c98a2b5af7e2& @midnight gate @sour cape @tall notch I got it 4 rooms into Erebus, guess I can test

Yeah, I'm actually detonating 2 Geyser Rings every rotation https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1245035363555213363/Geyser_Ring_Charon.mp4?ex=6657490a&is=6655f78a&hm=fdb2ac6c295891587e6a20e83e24fe111ed284a80a89f874d09f13b4e0655148&

If I had Lightning Lance this would actually be disgusting

[tall notch]

Very hammer-reliant but I like that Charon axe has more than 1 build with this being a thing

[bleak night]

True

You can build towards it if you go Apollo ig, though that'll be a long way down

[tall notch]

If you go Apollo you certainly are better off just taking his cast, it even is one of the legendary prereqs

[bleak night]

True

[civic ocean]

So what is the sauce here

Is Giga Cleaver detonating the cast twice

Even though its gone after the first time?

[bleak night]

The second Shield Blast doesn't come out fast enough to leave the area of the new cast I have spawning around me

if this had Lightning Lance it could be pure artillery gameplay

[tall notch]

I like that this build can play the PhD god pool (Pos Heph Demeter) which has a bunch of good support stuff

[civic ocean]

You cast lightning lance in between cleaves?

[bleak night]

I can try when I find Zeus, lemme continue the run

@tall notch I think the game is telling me to try it https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1245036894459400242/image.png?ex=66574a77&is=6655f8f7&hm=21abbd11bcccd25498b48b82c34932beaf5ea88ba8d094f4e6d1c76906d56176&

having mana issues rn, might need Hera

[tall notch]

Or Chaos

[bleak night]

I can't tell if I like it or not https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1245038676623229080/Geyser_Ring_damage.mp4?ex=66574c20&is=6655faa0&hm=c20afbbab832ca6fe69a175fed86b6e470ea3deb6cfc0d082a16b9e3fbb9ed43&

[tall notch]

I think the Apollo way is way stronger unfortunately

Charon still has one build

[bleak night]

Yeah, sad

Was worth a try though

[steel sequoia]

apollo is busted, ive tried one run with dem cast and it was miserable

not even dem/chaos bonus dmgs helped

[merry flint]

Its probably an issue with Geyser Ring sucking sadly

[steel sequoia]

watching haelian rn and he is doing pink aura with 18 fear

i dont think any other cast compares to apollo in dmg output

for the cast builds ofc

i understand giving like dem the same amount of dmg + freeze would be stupid, but apollo is unique

[merry flint]

It'd be pretty neat if Apollo was the magic master tbh

[split igloo]

Comrades what are people running for medea?

[cinder path]

i am pretty certain demeter cast is BiS on charon

[split igloo]

It is unequivocally Apollo

[cinder path]

disagree. downtime on cast matters a lot with special speed hammer. the moon is plenty of damage and demeter has access to origination significantly sooner

[bleak night]

Might as well do 32 Fear runs on the last 6 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1245041363238522890/image.png?ex=66574ea0&is=6655fd20&hm=f73e3d17196c4dfc831d07192729660c04a4f07658558590888e89d3e8a22da6&

[tall notch]

Eos gaming????

[bleak night]

lol

[cinder path]

apollo is a totally fine second option but it takes awhile to get up and running while your rooms take forever

[split igloo]

I have never felt like rooms were a difficult job with Apollo Charon early

Only problem is Hecate is a bit of a pain if you haven't already pulled born again

[bleak night]

I've always just used Apollo Cast on it and had no problems

[cinder path]

i mean maybe i'm jsut bad but i really value more uptime on my cast being available to me

• the origination access

[bleak night]

I can give Dem cast a shot down the line ig

[tall notch]

I consider not playing origination on Charon because of how difficult it is to put together with the Apollo+Zeus+Demeter god poo

[cinder path]

right but then don't force the god pool

[tall notch]

But Apollo cast is good and both Zeus and Dem duos with Apollo benefit Charon

Like idk it feels like that axe has one build

[cinder path]

i am fine with basically any three of demeter, apollo, or aphro cast

and just build with what the game gives me

[merry flint]

but that's what losers think

[midnight gate]

It may not be optimal but i do like pos on cast

[merry flint]

we GAMBLE on the CORRECT build in this HOUSE OF HADES BABY

[civic ocean]

What the

[tall notch]

There is a world where I could see freeze cast being good on Charon because of the safety it provides but like where do you get your damage

Do you play the Apollo duo anyway for cast scaling and try to get very high special damage?

[civic ocean]

You need to be MORE safe playing the aspect that hits things from another zip code!?

[split igloo]

Yeah I'm certainly not saying it's bad, but Apollo clears for sure

[civic ocean]

If you need the freeze take it on ur atk

[tall notch]

listen without sudden cleaver I am not feeling safe on Charon at all 😭

[merry flint]

crazy

[civic ocean]

Gotta dash dunk

[tall notch]

Pls buff base special charge speed

[sour cape]

I would say Apollo, Solar Ring is just great synergy for Charon, and Demeter cast doesnt quite synergize

[cinder path]

your damage is moon + origination

[civic ocean]

I suspect this is comin yeah

[merry flint]

Hestia partially bricked my build AND i didn't get Sudden Cleaver still got past Chronos at 63 minutes

[tall notch]

I'll love Charon so much if it happens

[merry flint]

being in another country helps a lot

[civic ocean]

Imagine if your damage was Moon + Origination + casts that hurt ppl

[timber pawn]

One of us, one of us

[split igloo]

63 minutes

Am I on drugs or does that say 63 minutes

[tall notch]

I heard that once you go past 60 minutes Chronos says "I don't have time for this" and doesn't let you into the house

[cinder path]

origination is a lot harder to enable on apollo cast. demeter does it without even leaving her own boons

[sour cape]

Demeter is not great for dmg and you can already get Origination from Cyclone and Special freeze

So like I see no reason to be taking Demeter cast over Solar Ring

[split igloo]

You truly do not need origination that badly on the build to forego the damage of solar ring

[cinder path]

uptime on cast?

[timber pawn]

I got a line from Chronos 'what's the rush' when I finished a run sub 15

[civic ocean]

Is it? Just like Demeter Apollo with like Hera on special and you have to like go out of your way to avoid Origination

[merry flint]

Solar Ring also has the neat effect of actually getting MORE targets than initial cast

[split igloo]

^^^^^

[sour cape]

What do you mean uptime? Solar Ring is doing a lot of dmg during the time you cant cast another

So it would work out to more dps

[split igloo]

Are we really going to glaze over the 63 minute run

[cinder path]

what if your fury 2 armored enemy just ignores it

[tall notch]

You can cast during special channel btw, so cast uptime really isn't that relevant

[civic ocean]

Thats just this game man

[tall notch]

some of my runs would probably be that long if we counted real time rather than igt

[merry flint]

game's slow + 24 fear + hestia removed my zeus special

[sour cape]

If anything 2 armor is going to make Apollo better, since the Moon explosion will be blocked by the shield 🤔

[civic ocean]

People are playing 60+ minute runs with half full mana bars every erebus/oceanus room (not saying Exam Death did this but its a thing)

[merry flint]

yeah apollo stripping the blue hearts is really convinient

[split igloo]

Honestly I applaud your perseverance

[merry flint]

73 minute demeter attack run i'm really slow (i lost too)

[sour cape]

And apollo would be stripping blue hearts

[split igloo]

I think you are fundamentally misunderstanding how solar panel works because this is literally a win scenario for the cast

[civic ocean]

Well in my experience killing 32 armored enemies with Charon, the ones who are actually a problem to deal with ignore Freeze, so idk what ur going on about here

[merry flint]

i should really do more ingame timer at all times thingy that h1 has

[timber pawn]

A lot of people seem to think h2 is a 'slower' game in terms of igt completion time and I think that is true, but not to the scale people think it is

Read: skill issues because of the new systems, like you said

[cinder path]

i'm not saying apollo is bad btw. I just think yall are really underestimating how nice it is to always have your cast available to you

you won't always get your duos.

[merry flint]

my cast is never available because its being nuked currently

[proven orbit]

Man, I thought my 49 minutes skull run because of scorch attack was slow...

[tough pasture]

Friends,

I've unlocked and upgraded moonstone axe aspect of melinoe to rank V and I don't understand the aspect. 25% recovery after attack and special?

Uh...recovery from what? Like...being able to get to next attack and special? I don't get it...

[split igloo]

I think you are overestimating how long solar panel lasts

[proven orbit]

Essentially yes

[sour cape]

Your cast is mostly gated by how fast you can special, not the Apollo sun strike

[civic ocean]

There's an almost 1 to 1 correlation between "people who think h2 is slow/enemies are too spongey" and "people who don't spend their mana"

[split igloo]

Literally it's just attack animation recovery

[merry flint]

solar panel is lame name, its obviously an orbital laser

[split igloo]

Petition to rename it to deathstar

[civic ocean]

Also I don't think I've wver played a run of Charon to Chronos without a duo

[tough pasture]

I feel like an idiot.

I demand a refund Supergiant Games. (Half-serious, half-joking.)

That's a lazy ass aspect...

[split igloo]

Canonically makes sense + is cool + is star wars

[civic ocean]

I actually think it's harder not to get it

[merry flint]

Super Nova Solar Ring = Death Star

[tall notch]

My first few clears were 40+ minutes but that is because I was a Circe staff main

[merry flint]

can someone post that spreadsheet of all boons?

[cinder path]

i mean i'm not. i played with apollo cast a lot longer than demeter cast

[tough pasture]

And frankly, it doesn't even feel that much faster...

[steel sequoia]

jesus

[split igloo]

Tbf all of Mel's aspects are a little simplistic I think that's kind of the point

[tall notch]

I was just like "this playstyle sounds fun I wanna do it" but it was sloooooooooooooow

[tough pasture]

Dammit.

[steel sequoia]

i didnt touched circe and moros, i cant play that

[lament glade]

isn’t that like the slowest weapon in the game aside from persephone

[tall notch]

Persephone is faster

[civic ocean]

Persephone pretty fast

[steel sequoia]

persphone is good actually

[split igloo]

Circe is for sure the slowest

[cinder path]

there's like.....4 biomes before that. i'd rather have origination active before i leave erebus

[sour cape]

Circe effect like doesnt really do anything 😭

[lament glade]

i used to play circe a decent amount but i swear when i play persephone the glory just doesn’t work??

[steel sequoia]

i prefer charon tho for my playstyle

[tall notch]

But it's still a good omega damage stat stick

[sour cape]

Persephone gives omega dmg

[split igloo]

Serenity is horrendous

[civic ocean]

Why, every enemy in erebus and oceanus dies to Moon + Solar Ring + axe special

You literally do not need origination to kill things with Charon

[cinder path]

also we did testing in speedcord and we are pretty sure charon's aspect bonus isn't applying to geyser ring

[timber pawn]

I have a 14:45 persephone and a 16 something circe, it's not great but it can definitely be fast enough still

[steel sequoia]

glory is kinda useless for pphone, it hinders more than help imo, the buff is for omegas

[cinder path]

they die to moon. you don't need the solar ring

[tall notch]

Wouldn't Mel be faster than that Circe with the same build?

[tough pasture]

btw, has anyone tried using moonstone axe special to block eris attacks? Have you been able to do it consistently & reliably?

I've had moderate success...just gotta get better timing as far as I can tell...

[lament glade]

p sure it doesn’t

[civic ocean]

Even more reason for me to not take two boons for origination? Hello?

[sour cape]

But solar ring would be doing more dmg later and you can activate origination by then too 🤔

[timber pawn]

I'm not sure? I got twisting crash which upped my omega special damage a ton. There's not really a mel aspect equivalent

[merry flint]

origination is super easy this game

[sour cape]

Yea you take Solar Ring vs taking Demeter cast and Cyclone...

[merry flint]

i don't think i hit priveleged status that often in h1

[tall notch]

Mel aspect charge speed is better than serenity

[timber pawn]

Oh on staff. Ya fair lol

[tall notch]

So your omega specials would gain more

[tough pasture]

I can't get it...something about my boons/build aren't lining up.

[civic ocean]

Circe does solve mana tho

[merry flint]

Circe solving mana sucks

[split igloo]

Not worth even a little

[low bear]

Zeus cast synergizes really well with Aspecto f Charon surprisingly lol

[tough pasture]

The game goes into these weird stretches where it refuses to give me an attack or special boon if I don't take it the first time

[sour cape]

Staff doesnt even need much mana

[civic ocean]

Wdym not worth

[steel sequoia]

ngl you always wanna go solar ring just because its easier to get Super Nova with it

[timber pawn]

Ultimately same problem as unseen arcana, giving up aspect for good mp regen is a tough trade

[tough pasture]

I've used multiple re-rolls on multiple boons in the same run and it would not give me an attack or special boon.

[lament glade]

especially when one boon can solve that issue

[steel sequoia]

did you had fear on?

[low bear]

I just won my first 32 fear with Charon using Zeus cast I didn't expect it to be good lol

[civic ocean]

Yeah but like obviously you shouldn't pick Circe but it's a pve game I'm just saying what it can do if u do

[tough pasture]

I did not.

[tall notch]

Ngl Omega builds chug mana like crazy but serenity handles that worse than mana regens

[civic ocean]

Low key I think this is good

[steel sequoia]

thats weird than, but sometimes rng screws i got some bad runs myself with hera+zeus

[lament glade]

also 21 attacks is kind of a lot

[tall notch]

It issss. Takes forever to proc even when you have things that double your hits

[civic ocean]

Why is it 21 anyways is there lore

[low bear]

yeah I pretty much ignored the exploding aspect, dropped Zeus cast whenver possible and then did spin to win playstyle

[lament glade]

idts should probably even be bumped town to like 10

[merry flint]

man i miss the 4 god limit

curse you selene 😡

[split igloo]

Ill be honest you have just informed me that it isn't there anymore

[low bear]

you can still force it technically with a keepsake

[lament glade]

i’m not sure why it’s 3 now. i don’t really mind it but is it just because selene exists?

[tall notch]

Guys I wanna do a random h1 run to see what it feels like after 200+ hours of h2, which weapon aspect and build to pick? Pls decide for me I'm feeling indecisive 🥺

[low bear]

but yeah Selene needs a huge rework

[merry flint]

RAMA RAMA RAMA

[lament glade]

200???

[steel sequoia]

charon in my opinion is the best, you can abuse of the cast, you can block, you can deal with closer enemies and far enemies, if you get used to it its really nice to play, my favorite aspect so far

[civic ocean]

Charon Omega Casts last 3 seconds longer so for Zeus that's like a billion damage

I want to get Choco to look at Hecate's decision trees and see if I can play in a way that minimizes triple divides, if so Zeus Charon is rly good

[split igloo]

Rail of Eris dio/Zeus

[lament glade]

anyways tdash hestia @tall notch

[tough pasture]

beowulf with aphro + poseidon build

[timber pawn]

Wait could you do local climate with this and ignore special

[tall notch]

God pool of 3 helps making focused builds, I kinda dig it?

[lament glade]

yeah i don’t mind it it’s just strange

[civic ocean]

The main knock on it is that you can't detonate casts

[timber pawn]

Wait wait wait could you go Zeus cast local climate and psychic whirlwind?

[tall notch]

Why did everyone give me a different answer 😭

[lament glade]

go tdash start hestia :3

[split igloo]

Id be less inclined to care if Selene didn't mostly suck

[timber pawn]

This sounds like it would be insane

[sour cape]

I kinda hate having cast follow 😭

[low bear]

yeah the extended cast duration + size goes insane with Zeus

wiat who is Choco sorry I'm new here lol

[tough pasture]

btw, hades 2 is waaaaaaaay harder than hades 1.

and i did hades 1 up to like 52 heat with multiple weapons.

/i still haven't beaten chronos after 40+ hours. (Did beat eris though.)

[tall notch]

Hestia gaming it is

[steel sequoia]

i think selene relies on spending too much mana to do so little (unless you are healing) so its more like an unbalancing thing than reworking, i might be wrong.

[lament glade]

YES

[merry flint]

sobgin

[civic ocean]

I think it's good but risky but maybe if you go Zeus Dem Heph for the D

[tall notch]

I already tried to sprint in h1, good start

[lament glade]

yeah i’m finding it harder too, part of it is lack of experience and part of it is actual difficulty

[timber pawn]

I really want to try this now

[sour cape]

Whats good bout Zeus cast is you fire from range and forget about it, but needing to stand close is 😭😭

[timber pawn]

I'm at work though

[merry flint]

I blame EA jank

[low bear]

Chronos definiely feels harder than Hades, but the others I think my skills transfered over from Hades 1 a little bit

[steel sequoia]

we gotta remember the game is not final and released so its gonna change, we can't complaing of everything i had so much fun the game is awesome for now.

[bleak night]

Experimental Hammer just instawon me this 32 run wtf https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1245048203104223323/image.png?ex=665754ff&is=6656037f&hm=d4e4dd064e6802f418aa8cf1cd804f387552cc64536f682a37205f60fed0d61f&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1245048296188280993/image.png?ex=66575515&is=66560395&hm=16c7d7794ef9a2cf87a0a8ae4b8af012c7f0a506bec6ade3c68d7d6c6e0ee3f1&

[merry flint]

balancing all over the place

[lament glade]

mel?

[bleak night]

yeah, doing an shotgun build

[lament glade]

because that’s crazy

[cinder path]

i mean you'll need origination eventually sure but its nice to just be like....cool i have two common boons and origination is active. I am scaling....like you shouldn't have damage issues

[timber pawn]

The dream build. That looks fun

[lament glade]

i need to level my keepsakes man i have so many sitting on rank 2

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927694753116614746/1245048623352381593/image.png?ex=66575563&is=665603e3&hm=c91a94b164262c8dff6af787a462b009399f5531a9cf56a6343a8a850c234c1e& @lament glade was this a good hestia mirror? I don't remember

[cinder path]

or i can just get two common boons and say "boom scaling done. i'm happy"

[low bear]

also does anyone else here use the 32 fear setup with the vow that does 300% damage on the first hit in an encounter? I always try to get Hephy on 1st or 2nd biome to get Trusty shield basically negating the vow lol

[lament glade]

yeah this is what i took for 50-55 heat but thick skin over hc

[lament glade]

if you’re doing lower than like 32 heat go hc

[tall notch]

I don't do it on 32 but in higher fear I do

[timber pawn]

I need you to try charon axe with Zeus cast, then try to get local climate, and go for attack boon. Gameplay loop is use omega cast with local climate, it lasts really long because of charon, and then spin to win

[tall notch]

I'll just do 9 heat

[civic ocean]

Yeah

[proven orbit]

flashbacks of dark foresight

[lament glade]

it’s really hard pre-trusty so i would put it on a bit later

[civic ocean]

I'll do this on Thursday when it's Axe time

[timber pawn]

This is how I've gotten a 32 fear winstreak of 4

[split igloo]

This is obnoxious

[timber pawn]

I wonder if you can even get served local climate

[civic ocean]

Do you roll for Shield

[low bear]

I see it's a really nice setup I feel

[timber pawn]

Ya I'll use 1 usually

[civic ocean]

Wdym

[low bear]

plus it forced me to git good a lot because I have to be a dodge god before getting Hephy's boon

[timber pawn]

I wonder if sgg considers charon incompatible with local climate? Or have you gotten it

[lament glade]

igt pact?

[civic ocean]

I get it a lot

It's straight up 30% dmg on the boom

[timber pawn]

Oh right

[spare kite]

Btw full salvo makes it so the mel bonus doesn't apply

[lament glade]

wait what

oh also today i got to talk to bouldy

[civic ocean]

IIRC full salvo asks how many skulls you have when you fire the skull

[timber pawn]

Definitely a bummer

[spare kite]

Tbh I bug reported that, is dumb

[civic ocean]

I do love full salvo for some air frying

[tall notch]

Yeah

[low bear]

doesn't seem like it because I can get all of them to deal the same damage when I empty my ammo before they all explode

[civic ocean]

yeah it has smth to do with how full salvo changes the attack

iirc

[low bear]

yeah it must be a bug with full salvo then

I hope they don't nerf the normal usecase lol

[civic ocean]

There's a lot of technical info on each wep that's hard to keep in my head all at once so I'm mostly concerned with 5 builds atm

[low bear]

Also Coarse Grit is so fun to use against Chronos

I love ignoring his 'insta-kill' move and beyblading him in the face since it's a pretty big opening for him

[civic ocean]

I do the same with Persephone's glory special

[proven orbit]

same lmao

It felt sooo bad during the run, like 2 skulls were almost better than 3

[distant ocean]

looks like everyone's discovering apollo legendary :^)

[low bear]

Persephone still feels jank to me, I don't even notice when I have the buff on or not lol

[tough pasture]

alright. thank you. this is reassuring. I'm not frustrated but I am a little disappointed. I've gotten screwed by RNG on multiple promising runs.

But I remember beating hades after like the 4th or 5th try; chronos is a different beast entirely...

[distant ocean]

persephone is mostly jank, unless you got full salvo for omegaattack BABOOMBAS

[civic ocean]

so for jank how many consecutive 32s do you need to win before it's not jank

[tough pasture]

perhaps. i remember when hades was first introduced in hades 1 early access and he was MONSTROUS.

And SgG had to tune him down.

[distant ocean]

well the thing about 32 fear is it's not an accomplishment to most people anymore I guess

[civic ocean]

oh? What's your rotating winstreak?

[proven orbit]

Depends on whether you circumvent jank by going apollo cast

[low bear]

I think I can win Persophone consistently but I just don't pay attention to the glory and just omega special spam

[distant ocean]

I reset and int alot for rng lol

all I mean is that most things in the game can work if you're comfortable playing in the middle.

[split igloo]

This is just a crazy statement

I'll be buzzing when I'm consistently clearing 32

[timber pawn]

There's a lot of animation overlap nonsense on chronos that needs to be cleaned up

[distant ocean]

okay well I mean it's not THE most incredible acocmplishment, it's pretty good, i don't mean to rob anyone of that feeling

[cinder path]

everyone should remember that its a single-player game that isn't done yet. putting qualifiers like this on any achievement is dangerous.

[civic ocean]

Damn bro they dogpiling u

[low bear]

just like how I ignore Circe's gimmick and just play it either as Momus (assuming I get Double Moonshot) or Melinoe

[distant ocean]

i don't mean to insult people by saying that, I just mean that I kind of look at things in terms of it's raw outputting potential

[proven orbit]

There is also a can of worms that is coming into this game with a baggage of H1 knowledge. Even if it only partially converts, it definitely impacts how people perceive challenge

[civic ocean]

I get what he's saying tbh like ppl do 40-50 now so 32 isn't like a super high jump

[distant ocean]

how fast and how far can it push, but that's not even what makes persphone jank

what makes persephone jank is that it just takes forever to load lol I would prefer no invuln and more uptime tbh

[timber pawn]

Persephone is in a better spot than circe and moros but that's a low bar lol

[tall notch]

OMG I JUST TRIED TO COLLECT THE EGGS IN ELYSIUM BY RUNNING INTO THEM 😭
Revenant brainrot

[low bear]

Circe definitely feels like the worst aspect by far lol

[timber pawn]

Hahahaha

[civic ocean]

they probably do this but the beauty of it is that 5 min invul makes bosses kinda ez

[split igloo]

Revenant is such PTSD man

[cinder path]

sure. and thats very impressive. but you have to remember that on steam only 7.4% of hades players have unlocked the second skelly statue. us being desensitized to larger heat numbers is brainrot

[spare kite]

play transistor for revenants but good

[distant ocean]

I guess, but at the same time the boss that matters the most is going to eat half of it's effectiveness and that limits that greatly

[proven orbit]

Idk, vanilla aspect staff is probably still better than torches for most people

[civic ocean]

Chronos has 45k hp on Dom 3 and Glory maxes at 5k so you get to glorybomb him like 4+ times in my experience

And in particular it makes 2nd phase really ez

[bleak night]

I can't stop laughing at that entire fight https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1245053235916705802/Shotgun_meme_run.mp4?ex=665759af&is=6656082f&hm=154f436697900061810c459a4afaa3fa22c4effb7cbfa6d553538ef6285f1793&

[distant ocean]

i suppose lol

[tall notch]

I like revenant, am I crazy? 😭

[split igloo]

Just yes

[civic ocean]

what do u not like tho

[tall notch]

Clearing a group of mobs and collecting all these green ghosts feels oddly rewarding

[low bear]

ah true I can agree with that I guess torches just don't feel that good

[tall notch]

I am an onion hater, don't do well with melee and slow weapons feel clunky to me

[split igloo]

I don't despise it at 25 percent. At 50 percent it's just evil

Especially in Tartarus

[cinder path]

revenant is a really intriguing vow. I enjoy it. I think it might be a little undercosted particularly at rank 2 but i like how it fundamentally changes how i have to play

[low bear]

I got used to it and it is kinda fun now though also depends on the build

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1244662882507952169/1244685512699023370/chaos__revenants.mp4?ex=665754b7&is=66560337&hm=81e2bc4fd4b4cced049c919fa27fe05143e34849849e3108bceb0dd6571a5cec& revenant is fine

[distant ocean]

there should atleast imo be a hammer that vastly increases persphone output and consistency at the cost of it's invuln lol

[civic ocean]

We're in a weird spot in the game's development atm where I feel like people think this game is way harder than Hades 1 partially because they're trying to play it like Hades 1, but then people at the 32 Fear level find it I think the same or even easier

But the overwhelming majority of the feedback is "game too hard" so it's probably going to get even easier

[distant ocean]

and inversely there should be a hammer that gives invuln to the normal special at the cost of damage

[low bear]

I just noticed there aren't any unique hammers per aspect isn't there?

[split igloo]

@tall notch btw lob a fun eos build. Haven't tried it yet

[distant ocean]

for the sake of medea's shortcomings

[low bear]

or if there are I haven't noticed at all

[bleak night]

@timber pawn

[lament glade]

transistor revenants are awesome h2 revenants are gross and ugly and i hate them

[timber pawn]

Oh my lord

[tall notch]

Hera start, take born gain and her attack. Take everything that reduces mana costs, boosts omega damage or reduces charge speed. Your other 2 gods are flexible but I like playing Demeter for control + Heph for defense. If you go Heph you can go spiteful strength instead of Hera attack too.

Alternatively, start passion dash and build into heartthrobs. It's a more aggressive playstyle but I kinda like it in low fear

[cinder path]

chronos has more moves to learn than dad and more options for boons means its easier for most players to dilute their build with things they don't need. I understand the sentiment even if I'm unsure how it pans out later on.

[distant ocean]

full salvo is the key to enjoying skulls fr fr

[bleak night]

disgusting run ngl https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1245054555947798529/image.png?ex=66575aea&is=6656096a&hm=732e2c651f167f6b59dcb939574bb131750b735374e24aa6092188034d767112&

[spare kite]

welcome back clockets

[cinder path]

I also have no idea what surface runs look like. its difficult to judge runs since most of sgg's cooking is with surface run

[civic ocean]

I think Vow of Forsaking, the 3 god boon pool, and the increased probability of Arach/Narc/Echo/Hades vs Sis/Eury/Pat make the game like suuuuuper player favoured atm

[low bear]

the return of Cluster Bomb Rockets from h1 lol

[tall notch]

SHOTGUN

[cinder path]

i love hades 2 but the underworld run is essentially hades 1 +

[civic ocean]

nah

[distant ocean]

NGL arachne is bae af

[low bear]

I didn't know Full Salvo worked with the Omega that's pretty fun

[distant ocean]

full salvo persphone + apollo legendary = big badaboombas.

[cinder path]

i think this is true as people get better. double dash and patty are so incredibly forgiving to new players

[bleak night]

5 aspects to go for 32, any suggestions?

Mel and Circe Staff
Arty Blades
Mel and Eos Torches

Do I just attempt Pink Aura in 32

[spare kite]

full salvo apollo legendary was my first skull win iirc

[low bear]

I feel like a pay a lot more attention in H2 than H1 because of no dash spam

[civic ocean]

I don't see why not, I'm actually on a 2 streak with pink aura atm and I think I can go higher

[bleak night]

lol, fair enough

[distant ocean]

I honestly can't think of anything for circe staff lol

[cinder path]

can someone give me the tl;dr on pink aura?

[distant ocean]

but its' all I wanna say

[low bear]

for Circe just go discount Momus and fish for double moonshot idk lol

[ionic moon]

circe + selene run

[distant ocean]

masochistic.

[civic ocean]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/e/2PACX-1vS73iWzIxaOupBwoVUJPjxtmSJEtrlTnLh9GFJzTYblncgPo7Ka1J08JG7r-4k6qEPwOJWH_xfp4al2/pubhtml torch guide

[timber pawn]

Circe I did spiteful strength and omega attack focused build. I got double wallop so got serenity up pretty quick and then just big damage omega attacks

[tall notch]

Do I need to make a suggestion?

You know what i'm gonna say

[low bear]

staff omega attack just doesn't feel good to me

[bleak night]

I'll do Eos after I do Mel Pink Aura dw

[distant ocean]

yeah, I mean, i know you can put things on circe, but circe doesn't really make them good lol

[civic ocean]

For Circe, just do the 500 hp Poseidon basic attack spam build and forget you have mana

[bleak night]

wat lol

[cinder path]

ah its heartthrob stuff. got it

[distant ocean]

they're just good because staff is broken and circes just happy to be there

[timber pawn]

Right but they're doing all aspects

[tall notch]

Circe will nerf the build because mana regen will turn off your huntress

[bleak night]

do I just play the Momus build on Circe

[civic ocean]

yeah u have to remember to omega special

[cinder path]

unfortunately probably

[distant ocean]

@bleak night basically lol

[low bear]

go discount Momus or discount Mel cast build

[civic ocean]

or atk

[distant ocean]

or double wallop, basica attack staff is really strong too

in fact it's probably the strongest build for circe staff

[ionic moon]

double wallop + apollo's extra dose?

[distant ocean]

yessir!

[low bear]

does double wallop use poseidon atk

[civic ocean]

Poseidon start attack + Huntress

take the attack hammers

Aph+Demeter - get HAHA YES, Life Aff, Plent Forage (take spade)

Then take all the poseidon boons and Hearty appetite

Get 500 HP and now ur poseidon waves are doing 50% more damage

[distant ocean]

can, really good dps, but apollo's solid too

I really like putting range on melee things cuz range is pretty good lol

[low bear]

is poseidon the new zeus chain lightning of this game

[distant ocean]

just throw poseidon on everything 🙂

[civic ocean]

It works because the staff attack hammers mostly make you hit more often or more easily, which scales Poseidon more than damage

[ionic moon]

shovel meta

[turbid hull]

my controller died

[civic ocean]

I have a task for you

[ionic moon]

heph should get a boon where the pickaxe matters

[low bear]

feels like poseidon is best for torches too

[turbid hull]

mh?

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927694753116614746/1245056902594035794/20240528175104_1.jpg?ex=66575d19&is=66560b99&hm=4c90b87732c52c12dd47276d54c65c09b684a24ffae4006714c9640228912e6a& Yeahh I really forgot how to play h1, @lament glade would prob clear this sub-8 minutes with the build 😭

[bleak night]

Might as well, actually

[distant ocean]

a heph boon called diggy diggy hole, in which you start a delve endless dive mode mechanic like poe :^) if you have pickaxe, OR +5 flat dmg per mining.

[low bear]

speaking of heph is a build focused on his atk/special boons actually any good

[civic ocean]

Can you look at Hecate and see what the conditions are for her to use Triple Divide (the split into 3 move) and see if it is a straight chance or if it can be controlled in some way

[low bear]

I've been wanting to try out how the time scales down with rarity and poms

[bleak night]

sadly, no

lowest the attack goes is like 2 seconds or something

[low bear]

damn the concepts seems fun

[distant ocean]

you should really put that in the suggestions, the spade is bis for end game because it has the demeter boon association, other material farmers should have a similar boon

[low bear]

oh there's a cap? sadj

[bleak night]

apparently, yeah. Never tried it myself

[turbid hull]

There is a cap of 2 seconds

[civic ocean]

Heph's attack/special boons are good mostly uninvested, on the attack or special you DON'T plan on using

[tall notch]

Pickaxe meta for antler because ores block projectiles, trust me

[turbid hull]

For both Attack and Special

[ionic moon]

lol, and poseidon for fishing rod?

[low bear]

hephy boons should have synergy with hammers smh

[distant ocean]

that's wild, but good to know lol

[distant ocean]

yes! make posiedon even better 🙂

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1244662882507952169/1244663921302835313/pickaxe_tech.mp4?ex=6657409b&is=6655ef1b&hm=ae74f4e18ed4c250b65e27d042ce0610a126a9e9e4454b0ae188445f4aaecdc4& (look the dude in top right)

[low bear]

how do they not make blacksmith god synergize with hammer

[civic ocean]

Well the hammers don't come from Hephastus! They're from Daedalus, who has more lore in this game it looks like

[ionic moon]

ackshually... something something Icarus

[civic ocean]

Wow spoilers

[distant ocean]

heavy breathing

[low bear]

yeah I'm aware they come from "Daedalus" still feels like a missed opportunity for a unique feeling god boon

[distant ocean]

dadalus

[summer seal]

Eh, the son just took over the franchise, brand name is the same

[turbid hull]

Uh, I don't know how the file is readed exactly, but I can take a look

[civic ocean]

Heph is super unique and super good though like I think he's crazy good at 32+

[low bear]

his defensive stuff are crazy good I agree

[tall notch]

Looking at the balance, I think staff and dagger hammers were still made by dad and the other weapons were taken over by the son

[turbid hull]

Does she have unique dialogue when she does the split attack @civic ocean

[civic ocean]

yes

[tall notch]

TRIPLE DIVIDE

[summer seal]

This checks out

[low bear]

but the atk/special/cast feel kinda meh

[civic ocean]

WE ARE THREE
WE ARE AS ONE
TRIPLE DIVIDE

[summer seal]

Heph is SO GOOD for Antler Runs

[turbid hull]

Attack seems to be called HecateSplit1

[civic ocean]

Oh no

That implies the existence of a HecateSplit2

[turbid hull]

What are her other attacks?

[tall notch]

extreme measures leaked

[distant ocean]

yes but also no, but also yes, it's tricky because vent can count as a curse and putting a curse on your off-build button is good, and having it do fairly substantial early game damage in an aoe is attractive, but I do agree, building around it as a main is difficult and not very feasible

[ionic moon]

EM4! EM4!

[turbid hull]

Oh, I found something

[civic ocean]

she shoots two waves
she shoots one wave then another
she waits and then shoots a billion tiny waves
she teleports
she does the circle and yells CROSSED FLAMES

[turbid hull]

Hecate needs to do 4 attacks at least between each HecateSplit1

[ionic moon]

triple divide with shooting the billion waves or all doing the lunar ray could be nasty

[tall notch]

Huh so we can count attacks I guess. Do you know if the thing where she shoots one wave and then another counts as two attacks or one?

[turbid hull]

She also has Split2 and Split3, which need respectively only 3 or 2 attacks in between attacks

[tall notch]

...oh

[turbid hull]

There's a "Combo" attack so I'm assuming it's only one attack

[low bear]

Vent feels lackluster for activating origination when its uptime can be dubious and it's usually overkill for most enemies whilst Demeter/Hera/Aphro have other utilities and have better uptime

[civic ocean]

Are Split 2 and Split 3 only present after she's taken a certain amount of damage

[turbid hull]

Oh, I think I understand more

[spare kite]

Is split2/3 which of the attacks she uses while divided? (Cross flames/orbs/total eclipse)

Oh, changes by phase?

[low bear]

and vent needs a second boon from hephy to get going whilst others don't need it. Since he is usually an off build god as you said it can be quite rare

[turbid hull]

So, between 66% and 100% health remaining, she can use HecateMeteorShower, HecateMeteorSmallShower, HecateRangedTorchesRingPhase, HecateRangedTorchesSpiralsPhase, HecateLaser, HecateRangedTorchesConePhase.
Between 66% and 33% health remaining, she can use HecateMeleeCombo1, HecateMelee1, HecateSplit2, HecateRangedTorchesRing.
Between 33% and 0% health remaining, she can use HecateTeleport, HecateSplit3, HecateRangedTorchesRing, HecateRangedTorchesCone.

I'm unsure if each phase can use the attacks of the previous phases.

The copies can do HecateRangedTorchesSpirals, HecateRangedTorchesLine, HecateRangedTorchesFork, and HecateRangedTorchesRing

[tall notch]

She definitely keeps previous phase attacks seeing how the combos are missing in last phase and i've definitely seen her use them

[turbid hull]

I have to go eat, will look more in detail when I'm back. Each attack seems to possibly have prereqs before she can execute them

[civic ocean]

The ones you've mentioned between 100 and 66 sounds like a list of things she does when she gets to 66:

MeteorShower is the big ground circles
MeteorSmallShower is the little circles
RangedTorchesRing Phase is the crossed flames ring
Ranged Torches Spirals is the balls?
Laser is Lunary Ray
and Torches cone is the many small waves

[turbid hull]

Ah, my bad. I assumed it was between 100 and 66 because else the last section wouldn't make any sense (since the threshold is at 0)

[civic ocean]

What I want to know is if any of HecateSplit1, HecateSplit2 and HecateSplit3 have any conditions that have to do with the player (like Chronos is more likely to boomerang when we're far away from him)

Anecdotally, I feel like Hecate is LESS likely to split if I stay in melee range of her

[low bear]

Having Judgement activated by Circe Keepsake in Erebus feels so good lol

[turbid hull]

Doesn't seem like it

[civic ocean]

LAME

[tall notch]

But I guess she does triple divide more often on low hp, good to know

[turbid hull]

HecateSplit1 is associated with HecateRangedTorchesLine (and requires 4 attacks in between each use)
HecateSplit2 is associated with HecateRangedTorchesSpirals and HecateRangedTorchesFork (and requires 3 attacks in between each use)
HecateSplit3 is associated with HecateRangedTorchesRingChained (and requires 2 attacks in between each use)

[bleak night]

got unlucky and lost the Pink Aura attempt

[tame vapor]

does aphro attack work when you shades come back (torches

[tall notch]

Not pink enough

[tall notch]

I think it does but not 100% sure

[tame vapor]

ill try it in a sec and see if it works

[timber pawn]

Definitely feels that way when you're dying to 5 minute timer on a 32 run lol

[tall notch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkWzoDTFBOQ I played Aphro attack here and it feeeeels like they hit harder on return from up close?

[turbid hull]

Chronos Scythe throw seems to have a distance requirement yeah

[dawn quiver]

idk he’s thrown it when I’m in his face

[tall notch]

Maybe you dashed in when he started the windup already?

[turbid hull]

he probably has a second one which has no distance requirement, and so he's twice more likely to do the scythe throw when you're away

[dawn quiver]

Maybe. I have ultra instinct i guess

[tall notch]

No vow of fury Chronos takes a while on his attack windups, I could see you fulfilling the range requirement when he started, dashing in and getting it thrown at your face

[dawn quiver]

You’re right, i don’t have ultra instinct

[wild pine]

Eh, I'd say that Tranquil Gain is mid-tier among Gain boons, the problem is just that Gain boons are mostly bad. It is better than Ionic and Fixed, roughly comparable to Lucid and ... whatever the Aphro one is called (which of 3 is best depends on weapon and build), and worse than Fluid, Hearth, and Born.

[tame vapor]

it works i think

im not entirley sure tho like 75%

[civic ocean]

Tranquil Gain big time sucks on like everything but some torches and Charon I feel

[sour cape]

I think fixed is better

Can recover while channeling and you can run into thorns or environemntal hazards

[tall notch]

Is fixed Heph gain? Ew no that's 2nd worst gain, right after Ionic

[wild pine]

That is an interesting point

[tall notch]

Boss fights are where you usually get mana issues and I don't think any boss fight has a thorn you can just consistently run into

[sour cape]

Eris has fire puddles

[civic ocean]

Hmmmm idk I see getting hit in a boss fight as sort of inevitable

[sour cape]

and yea in boss fights just getting hit would be enough mana regen most likely

[tall notch]

I guess Eris is an exception to this, but she's a whole different route

[civic ocean]

The problem with fixed gain is that Lovers cucks it

[wild pine]

lately I've been running on the no-healing vow which makes me unusually wary of fixed

[sour cape]

Plus Trusty shield is always free mana

[tall notch]

My lovers usually lasts until p2 Chronos unless I throw

And I will oom in p1 without mana regen

[civic ocean]

So like I want Chronos to not hit my ass ever but what if I'm 2 charges of lovers left and oom

[turbid hull]

Lovers level 4 is 4 hits

[timber pawn]

Ironically fixed gain gets worse the better you are at the game

[sour cape]

I would just start purposely getting hit then

Health is a resource anyways

[ionic moon]

i think they are attempting to put in some pieces for tanky builds, but it's not all coming together

[tall notch]

Fixed gain ruined my 42 fear when it was forced upon me in that shop, I oomed hard early into Chronos' fight and if I took hits on purpose there I don't have defense left for p2 where I genuinely need it

[civic ocean]

Yeah thats bad u just paid like 120+ health for 50 mana worst trade deal in the history of trade deals

[sour cape]

Well dont use vow of suffering 💀

[timber pawn]

Ya at high fear it's definitely the worst

[sour cape]

Yea its no good if you got suffering vow

[tall notch]

You'd need to go all in on the tankinkess to make fixed gain function

[ionic moon]

healthy appetite, healthy rebound, all the revenge boons. maybe even phoenix skin. but it's not really cohesive

[sour cape]

without Coarse Grit anyways

[timber pawn]

3 earth wins again

[civic ocean]

I disagree I think a max hp focused build has lots of really good options

[warped harness]

fixed gain is so bad

[civic ocean]

It's not that bad. It's fine

[ionic moon]

well that's the scenario where fixed gain would be good

[sour cape]

Plus like if you inevitably get hit, the manas basically free

[warped harness]

that heph boon would be nice for it

[tall notch]

Tank builds can def work for 32 fear and I guess the game isn't balanced around higher anyway so fixed gain does have a home?

But it's just so niche

[warped harness]

mana convert to health

[ionic moon]

building tanky and not minding taking a few hits. maybe you don't even take lovers

[civic ocean]

I don't think you want fixed gain in a max hp build though

[split igloo]

@tall notch have you noticed that sorrow spiller seems to be invulnerable to the return projectile if he's not in line of sight?

[sour cape]

For not vow of suffering or dmg incrase, I just purposely tank hits and its fine

[civic ocean]

Because Glamour Gain scales with max hp

[tall notch]

Is that the shadow guy? Yeah you need to be inside the shadow to deal damage to them, works that way on everything

[sour cape]

and feels a lot better than needing to disengage or afk 💀

[warped harness]

how does glam gain work again

[split igloo]

Well I just learned a new thing 🫠

[sour cape]

Need high % hp to get extra dmg

[civic ocean]

Yeah same with the shadow spiller

[tall notch]

I think I found that out when I threw a Zeus cast at him, walked out and it turned out I did nothing

[civic ocean]

1 thing always weak

When ur near weak stuff you gain mana

[warped harness]

oh

[split igloo]

I was feeling clever because I'd laid down a bunch of huge spirits to recall :/

[sour cape]

wait that one doesnt scale with max hp

[civic ocean]

Weak scales with max hp basically because if you can get hit more you get more value from weak

[warped harness]

why does it scale with max health though

[tall notch]

If it's the elite shadow guy in Erebus you want to fight him from up close and iframe the attacks. Maybe kill the other mobs first if it's 7 min timer and you are in no rush

[warped harness]

oh, loosely yeah

[sour cape]

Oh well thats like any dmg reduction

Get more ehp with higher max hp

[civic ocean]

Yeah and glam gain is like the most consistent dmg reduction

[sour cape]

Ummm why not like Hephaestus gain? Thats always on

[warped harness]

i like glamour gain with the poseidon duo esp.

[split igloo]

@tall notch rejected will or slothful strike ://)

[sour cape]

and doesnt require enemies to be weak when theres more than 1 🤔

[tall notch]

I don't remember the names, what do they do?

[warped harness]

poseidon aphro duo i feel is a tad underrated on aphro-focused builds

though i forget what the requirements are for it

[split igloo]

4 mana per sec or attacks deal 50% more damage

[tall notch]

I'd say attacks, Eos loves its attack damage and the regen is kinda bad

[civic ocean]

3 gods, Dem Aph Poseidon all raise max HP heph doesn't

Also you don't need to get hit for mana with glam esp if you get the duo

[sour cape]

Heph has armor which basically is hp at that point

[split igloo]

Will be 50 percent slower against max speed Hecate and I forgot to switch to frinos, will see you at the death screen 💪

[tall notch]

It's because most things that would run that duo will do about just as well (if not better) with Pos on that core slot instead

[sour cape]

its like what 60 armor for that boon?

[civic ocean]

No it isn't

Hearty appetite scales ur dmg based on max hp not armor

[warped harness]

yeah definitely. i had a really good run with it using pan, but its kind of wierd atm bc there arent many particular combos i can think of that work amazing with it

[civic ocean]

Hepha gain boon also has anti synergy with Coarae Grit which is like a big reason to take him

[sour cape]

Oh Hearty Appetite

[warped harness]

pan also just works with anything

[tall notch]

Pan would do better simply taking Pos special which requires way less setup. Pos duo has a Poseidon core boon as a prerequisite

[sour cape]

Its decent synergy since you hard capped to taking 15 dmg for mana but for lower dmg hits, it reduces chip

[warped harness]

ik, i was just talking abt my own experience with that

[civic ocean]

Anything that does over 15 it's useless

[warped harness]

its not a build i take often, just some fun i had with the pink daggers

[tall notch]

It could be good if Poseidon's flourish scaling gets nerfed or some icd is added

So that working towards the duo does actually work better than taking Pos special

[sour cape]

Since some attacks are always going to do above 15 no matter the DR so that doesnt really matter. The DR helps you save hp for smaller hits

[nova dune]

Just got Coarse Grit for the first time today, not really sure how i feel about it, basically attacked Chronos till he died without bothering to dodge anything

[warped harness]

what does aphro legendary do again

[civic ocean]

Charms

Its fine

[warped harness]

perma charms 2 other enemies right

[sour cape]

1 other enemy if 3 or more enmies

Its alrite not amazing

[tall notch]

Has anyone managed to assemble Aphro legendary before sirens? I have a feeling it'd excel at that fight

If it works the way I think it works

[sour cape]

You often get it for Eos trial 💀💀

But yea its not too much help for Eris

[tall notch]

I didn't because I avoid Aphro boons in that trial lol

[warped harness]

that feels a little underwhelming

[sour cape]

perma cc one enemy is okish

Just mediocre, prob not worth the prime

[split igloo]

Comrades does Artemis count as a third god?

[warped harness]

itd be fun if aphro legendary was the pos duo and pos aphro duo did like, splash effects apply weak to enemies?

[split igloo]

Thank God

[nova dune]

You can get a similar effect by using the necromancy Hex, it wasnt as good as i expected

enemies have way more health than damage

[warped harness]

also wish that the extra damage to weak-afflicted enemies was a little better but i might just be wanting to push damage for fun and not balance

[nova dune]

On the upside, i managed to raise one of the punch dudes against cerberos, and he melts

[tall notch]

I mean mind controlled enemies seem to retain their fear modifiers so I kinda like the idea of getting that legendary if you did play an Aphro-focused build. I just don't play those because it requires melee range and I'm a ranged player

[sour cape]

Im not a fan of Aphro even for melee, like only Melee I play is Artemis dagger and if going for Legendary, Apollo is really good for that

[warped harness]

i love aphro on melee stuff lol

[sour cape]

Double Omegas 👀👀

Maybe for Skull

[civic ocean]

I think not liking aph makes sense when your 32 fear runs take 8 days

[warped harness]

yeah thats fair

[civic ocean]

like if you are under very little pressure to kill stuff quickly, the appeal of conditionally dealing more damage that creates danger isn't going to appeal

[sour cape]

Aph special makes more sense since higher %

[tall notch]

I should try going all out on Aphro for close range Eos and actually take a good regen boon so that it feels better than trial of heartache

[civic ocean]

I don't have any experience on Eos but I feel like that is what I would do

Born Gain with Hitch on the special and then max out aph boons

[warped harness]

sadly most specials arent really melee range focused

[sour cape]

Yea, I hate time limits in games 😂

[warped harness]

ohh persephone and medea though

[sour cape]

Skull always gets Aphro bonus on special

[warped harness]

those are very fun aspects to pair with aphro yeah

[civic ocean]

Not me im all about that Persephone Blitz

[warped harness]

thats fair

[civic ocean]

She makes it then she breaks it baby

[warped harness]

the aq scorch blitz build right?

[civic ocean]

not really a blitz build its just big dmg

[tall notch]

It's a fun aggro playstyle (there's a reason why i used to start passion dash) but for higher difficulties I value the safety

You might like Aphro Eos

[civic ocean]

Yeah 40+ fear is lame

I like the 32 pocket atm

I will probably go higher if EM comes out and makes it easier

[warped harness]

i wanna try zeus aphro medea skull but i feel like the duo is useless for it

most aphro duos iirc arent too crazy though

[brave owl]

hello, frens

[split igloo]

@tall notch this is kind of gross with split shot and weed killer

[tall notch]

Duos are overall less impactful than h1 so I feel like building around them isn't as important

[sour cape]

Wish Aphro still applied Weak to attacks

[tall notch]

Weed killer Eos... brave 😛

[civic ocean]

I love the way Aphrodite was balanced tbh

[warped harness]

yeah youve got a point

[bleak night]

I kinda miss Sea Storm tho

[warped harness]

sea storm was nuts on the rail

some of the most fun i had was with the super soaker

[sour cape]

Considering how much dmg % you can get elsewhere it makes Aphros high numbers a bit worse. Extra 30-40% over Hera or Apollo is mleh

At least for attack

[civic ocean]

Nah ur thinking too lategame, in H2 it's way way more valuable to get bigger earlier

[sour cape]

Hera would let you turn on Origination earlier, getting you that 50%

[tall notch]

That extra % means that if you are playing close range you pretty much don't care about getting origination online asap and can potentially drop furies if you need something else badly

[civic ocean]

too slow

Also you can just drop origination on Torches if you take Aph

[tall notch]

I mean if you highroll out of your mind you can get origination online with Hera attack room 3 so there's that

[leaden elm]

been playing hades 2 for 1 week now, and the weapons in this game are just not fun compared to hades 1. even fully ugraded and with full arcana.. :T

[sour cape]

I mean why wouldnt you use Fury and Origination?

[civic ocean]

Yeah but if I highroll out of my mind I get Aph + Hearthrobs as well

[sour cape]

Still need mana

[civic ocean]

Not for a while

Not till like Scylla

[sour cape]

Fury and Origination both very efficient dmg increases

[tall notch]

Yeah without extra encounter size taking increased max mana will keep up with mana demands until like fields

[civic ocean]

Even with

I do Dom 3 Com 3 Desp 3 on Mel T in Erebus and regularly clear it in 430-445 with no gain

[leaden elm]

seems like devs are super worried about making weapons too strong, but forget they should be fun first and foremost.

[civic ocean]

Play more

[sour cape]

Well it is first pass kinda

[leaden elm]

i beat the game already.

[sour cape]

Momus will prob be nerfed

[warped harness]

wdym beat the game

[civic ocean]

How did you beat an unfinished game what

[tough pasture]

sea storm goated!

[leaden elm]

?....beat all the content available?

[bleak night]

It's so fun, yeah

[civic ocean]

Did you now?

[tall notch]

Keep in mind that Mel torches do have higher dps. Eos starts struggling with that timer with com 3 dom 3

But without that you can live without regen immediately

[sour cape]

Mel is like glass cannon torches

Got no stagger but lotsa dmg

[warped harness]

until you get pink aura

[civic ocean]

Go Aph and then ur just cannon

[solid drum]

Hey Guys. Can someone explain how "Judgement" works.
If you beat a boss, does the game pick 3 random cards, or do you get to pick?
Also, normally cards can't go on due to a prerequisite - so does that just go away and it activates 3 cards anyways?

[split igloo]

Comrade momus and pan exist and the game is in version 1

[sour cape]

Then you need to deal with all the mana usage too

[civic ocean]

Game picks randomly, does not care about prereqs

[leaden elm]

those are good sure, but they're boring.

[split igloo]

Because they are too strong. Welcome to the fallacy of your argument

[warped harness]

you pick 3, the game will pick 5 after each guardian

[solid drum]

Oh damn. can it just activates all cards then if you keep beating the boss?

[sour cape]

You need like a weak applier and a bunch of other stuff to not be squishy

[leaden elm]

no... 🤦‍♂️

[sour cape]

Pan is fun tbh

[civic ocean]

IDK we're all here because we find the game the opposite of boring, I don't think ur gonna find much of an audience for your takes hre, Kota. Go drop your feedback in the right channel

[tired fulcrum]

Tbh momus is just inherently uninteresting

[warped harness]

^^^^

[split igloo]

Tbh I agree pan is good fun I was just compromising on it to respond

[sour cape]

Momus is dumb since its just big number

[split igloo]

Momus is definitely uninteresting but it's seeing a lot of play because it's directly very overturned

[warped harness]

until you get the funny colors going its just press special pray for double shot and pos special

[sour cape]

Pan actually got some flashy moves and choosing how many knives to throw and cool hammers

[warped harness]

the only fun i have is looking at the pretty blue waves melting the room

[sour cape]

and trying not to have your knives hit walls 💀

[split igloo]

And I'm very confident momus would force people to find more interesting playstyles if you couldn't no hit run by just watching the pretty blue stuff murder everything

[bleak night]

can't wait for it to get nerfed or changed

[warped harness]

i think they just need to make it a dedicated omega special weapon instead of buffing both specials

[civic ocean]

I'm very confident Momus will be changed, how it works is antithetical to what the franchise wants for weapon aspects

[sour cape]

Idk how would you nerf it, maybe lean towards healing

[tall notch]

If Momus got nerfed to the point where the machine gun build doesn't work people would play Mel staff

[split igloo]

Yeah it's 100% getting changed

[sour cape]

That would make it unique and potentially pretty good

[bleak night]

aren't both Mel and Circe Staff already Omega weapons or something

[tired fulcrum]

idk even if it was weaker its still just spam special and maybe throw in a dashstrike

[warped harness]

for the staff i mean

[split igloo]

Again though. It's kinda pointless arguing for or against because I'd reckon most of the aspects currently in are getting tweaked before full release

[warped harness]

oh wait i cant read lmao

[bleak night]

3 weapon aspects focusing on Omega properties is kinda weird ngl

[sour cape]

How bout if special dmg removed in favor of Omega special dmg and increased healing?

[civic ocean]

I think we're thinking too small, one of the staff aspects should be reworked to be more like Charon, Persephone and Eos and less like more numbers up and down

[sour cape]

Like heal 10 per Omega special and max of 75% hp?

[warped harness]

yeah, momus already does though since the effect on it is the healing absorb

[split igloo]

This probably doesn't change an awful amount besides removing the urgency on double moonshot

[nova dune]

Really would love a basic attack staff aspect

[bleak night]

oh, so it's like a turtle weapon ?

[sour cape]

Sure

[bleak night]

I think they should buff judgment btw

[tall notch]

Eos aspect needs no mechanical changes. Base torch attack does but if base torch attack is fixed Eos won't need a thing

[sour cape]

Well at that point youd prob pick a diff staff for special spamming

[bleak night]

Make it so you can pick the cards it activates, and people would actually run it more

[sour cape]

Since Momus would really encourage Omega special

[civic ocean]

That's what I'm saying, one of the Staff aspects should be more like Eos where it fundamentally changes the way you play the weapon

[warped harness]

that would be interesting

[split igloo]

Yeah but you could just go omega channel hammer and just switch from machine gun build to grenade launcher build

[tall notch]

Oooooh

[split igloo]

Posideon himself is probably getting turned down a little bit though so it's all kind of circular

[sour cape]

Yea sure but you prob also wont be picking Poseidon for the Omega special

And then youd be weak to blue shields

[torpid rivet]

I think I like the Skull even less than the Flames. I don't think it does enough damage to justify the low ammo count and collection mechanic

[ionic moon]

momus becomes eris rail aspect, absorb omega special blast for big dam steroid

[split igloo]

This i would like

[warped harness]

which aspect are you playing the skull with?

[tall notch]

Only if using it has special Eris dialogue like "I CAN DO THIS TOO!"

[low bear]

Suggestions for Eos attack boon at 32 fear?

[split igloo]

Apollo or Hera

[warped harness]

hera

[low bear]

Ah hera is interesting

[bleak night]

Hitch is fun

[torpid rivet]

I've tried normal and Medea. Haven't bothered with Persephone yet. Is it bugged? I can't get Glory to trigger when attacking Skelly

[tall notch]

hera or start born gain and build towards spiteful strength (+200% dmg if boonless attack, heph+hera duo)

[warped harness]

apollo works too but hera is very safe and hitch goes hard

[split igloo]

Hera with split shot hammer 💪💪💪

[warped harness]

you do but its a big meter that fills slowly.

[split igloo]

Hitting everyone and proccing hitch perma

[ionic moon]

or since apparently momus is the god of mockery, it supports revenge builds somehow

[sour cape]

Yea idk why Momus even heals tbh

[warped harness]

you have to kinda save your omega special for the big rooms like bosses and mini bosses

[sour cape]

does kinda look like a snake staff though

And staffs already kinda bout healing

with the hammer

[sour cape]

Hmmm maybe revenge build and wya to recover hp?

[warped harness]

with mel you wanna play around with your spacing to get all 3 skulls to hit for 90, and with medea you just ram into an enemy with 2-3 skulls

[sour cape]

The whole just buffing special is op and uninteresting

[timber pawn]

3 approaches to persephone gameplay: omega attack focused and use the omega special once in a while on bosses, omega cast focused and use special sometimes, or last, just go all in on omega special as main damage dealer

[torpid rivet]

but yeah, normal attack feels pretty bad to me, normal special too. Omega attack feels good but its hamstrung by the low ammo count and collection mechanic. For Medea, it feels clunky to load up 3 skulls and then ram into things, it takes too long to load all the skulls, but if you load less than that the damage feels pitiful

[bleak night]

I'm wondering what Full Salvo + Bolstered Array Omega Attacks with Apollo Legendary looks like, I had Rocket Bombard so it looked like a shotgun rather than a 10-skull mortar

[warped harness]

the room clearer

[bleak night]

tactical nuke build

[warped harness]

what builds have you been running so far?

[torpid rivet]

tried going Aphrodite for Meda, Apollo for Melinoe

[split igloo]

I want to get into using the skull but I really don't seem to enjoy the aspects on it 🫠

[timber pawn]

https://youtu.be/_FVHH_NsERM?si=uZJ7zPNWy4WbAFaC

Persephone run for inspiration

[warped harness]

i'd reccomend hera over apollo for mel

[torpid rivet]

I think getting luckier on boon rarity would make it "fine" damage wise but I also just don't like the feel of the weapon

[zenith bolt]

tranquil gain being better than (or even comparable to) glamour gain is certainly a take

[tall notch]

I've been trying to make Mel skull mortar build work but it kinda requires antler for late game scaling or I deal 0 damage from Cerb onwards

[bleak night]

unfortunate weapon

[timber pawn]

Mynt I'm surprised you didn't jump on the storm ring/local climate charon testing

[sour cape]

The mortars too slow

[zenith bolt]

staff on dark thirst guess im practicing eris today

[tall notch]

Charge speed fixes that

[sour cape]

Still got that time for it to like go up and land

and idk I feel like with charge speed, spamming the omega special would then be better

[zenith bolt]

i always feel bad grabbing dark bc it's like a daily question "where do i get dark" https://i.imgur.com/jpnbQ47.png

[bleak night]

what was being tested ?

[tall notch]

The attack has range and gets power from mel skulls though

[zenith bolt]

that makes 31

[sour cape]

Oh true

[bleak night]

I was testing Geyser Ring earlier

You can multi-activate it with a 2nd shield blast if you were lucky, but besides that it's kinda mid

[sour cape]

The base dps of skull mortar spam is prob just too low

[zenith bolt]

zeel on room 1, voidskate + dark on room 2 wtf game

[timber pawn]

This is just a silly build, but the idea being you go storm ring, and then local climate so the omega cast is centered on you, and then you ignore your omega special and focus on omega attacks, but take advantage of 3 extra seconds of omega cast length

So it's spin to win with a longer omega cast centered on Mel

[bleak night]

That sounds interesting, actually

[timber pawn]

Main trouble is it lives or dies based on local climate

So you'd want it pretty early

[zenith bolt]

havent even left ephyra https://i.imgur.com/bXjyluk.png

[civic ocean]

HAHA, YES!

[tall notch]

HAHA, YES

[zenith bolt]

not to mention this hp (no water fitness, btw) https://i.imgur.com/nlUIcW6.png

and im even on toula

[ionic moon]

all i think of with the HAHA, YES is the sickos meme

[lament glade]

nah i never did hestia speedruns

[hidden mural]

hook knives vs concentrated flurry? have poseidon special

[lament glade]

at least not any heat

[tall notch]

hook knives stronger I think

[lament glade]

oh damn hyper delivery

[timber pawn]

Sppedcord seems to pref concentrated flurry first, especially if in erebus

[tall notch]

Assembled it super late though, only got rush delivery from 1st satyr room

[spare kite]

w/o clockets or breaking wave that styx must have looked

[zenith bolt]

charon let me spend my obol points on something useful https://i.imgur.com/sAUUrd5.png pls

[tall notch]

Also this run reminded me of how much faster paced h1 was, h2 really is the slower game overall

(Which I personally like, I'm slow)

[bleak night]

we dash strikin

[tall notch]

+40% speed Hades attacks are so fast, how the hell did I deal with that before h2 came out lol

[sour cape]

Divine Dash strikes 👀👀

[upper shuttle]

what does immediate dash do? I don't really notice a difference

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927694753116614746/1245085943178723429/image.png?ex=66577825&is=665626a5&hm=0baa72bca246fd12b022f9e7b8b61db83106da10de0c17278bea0e4a49256272& do I complete 6 more runs before I go on holiday because it'll look cool on the save file?

[lament glade]

holy hell. that is so many

[tall notch]

Normally before you dash, there's a bit of a wind-up. A couple frames or so. If you take immediate dash, these frames are removed

[upper shuttle]

oh ok

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927694753116614746/1245086302723117116/image.png?ex=6657787b&is=665626fb&hm=6a616dc26f81d6f3e0ba49583764bc3aad890523dba92cfc1e267b44dee90b30& uhhhhhhhhh I think I might have a favoured weapon out of the 5...

[lament glade]

woah really

i think my least played is also skull

[tall notch]

I played it a lot when I was doing 32 fear and below and then I kinda stopped

[lament glade]

idk it feels weird

favorite aspects? (other than eos)

[tall notch]

Staff - Melinoë
Daggers - Artemis
Axe - Charon (if I get sudden cleaver)
Skull - At first Pers for Zeus cast builds but lately Mel has been growing on me

I know Medea skull is incredibly powerful but the playstyle is just not my thing at all so idk if I should put energy into learning it

[timber pawn]

Medea is so input heavy compared to everything else in the game

[lament glade]

same for staff and daggers, than/mel axe and medea skull because rhythm

[tall notch]

Even more than Mynt axe?

[lament glade]

i really like the loop on it

[timber pawn]

*it does feel pretty satisfying though, when you're really in it

Load attack, dash, load attack dash

[lament glade]

it feels like a mix between hestia and beowulf. not quite as satisfying as hestia but

[tall notch]

If there was anything that makes the special ranged I would like it a lot more. Then it could really play like Hestia

[timber pawn]

Hestia was the 1 bullet right