h2-builds-and-combat

[sour cape]

otherwiae the no heal scar would chip you down 😭

[unborn pollen]

Does chaos keepsake give me a random chaos boom meaning o have to deal with tbr side effects first?

[abstract tree]

Random chaos boon

[unborn pollen]

Ok sweet thank you

[turbid hull]

Random "blessing" (I think)

[unborn pollen]

Not worth it then bc I’m not good enough

[plain fossil]

No side effect, prefix is "transcendent" ie no drawback

[sour cape]

theres no quest, you judt get it

its a very strong effect 👀

[abstract tree]

If you change keepsakes, you keep the chaos blessing

[unborn pollen]

Yooo

I tested Poseidon build like you said and man I beat it at 29 fear! I lowered the difficuoty a tad to test it out and I won! I can def do this

[wild pine]

also on keyboard

Can someone explain how I'm supposed to play Moros torch? I can throw attacks out and then try to set them off later, but they fly so gar they go right past anything I would want to hit. I can stand way back and make a mine field, then channel an omega special and jump in to set them all off at once, but it is super fiddly and there isn't that much time for it. I could channel omega special first and then start shooting, but then sometimes my shots collide with my own aura before they reach any enemies. My current best idea is to throw out a bunch of regular specials first and then fire attacks into them, but it doesn't seem notably more efficient than eos double taps or even just omega channeled attacks

[glossy rivet]

Moon arcana works on charon apollo pop right?

[civic ocean]

It doesn't buff solar ring but it does deal extra damage when popped

[glossy rivet]

does it have effect on torrential downpour or glorious disaster?
also does death arcana work on only the explosion or can it trigger on solar ring too?

[wild pine]

Torrential Downpour adds a +% damage multiplier to your omega cast, so it will multiply the bonus power from Moon. I'm not sure, but I think it also multiplies Storm Ring and Solar Ring

[tame vector]

Speaking of rings, i hope the next god is Dio and it's festive fog again

[delicate terrace]

Moros torch needs a buff, the way it works right now you would be better of playing the melinoe / eos aspects

i found it relatively useful to throw out specials before attacks or even using the omega special prior to it

[analog osprey]

instant festive fog around mel would feel weird

[delicate terrace]

regardless it needs you to be right up in front of the enemy if you want to play with those play styles .. which arguably melinoes aspect would do a heck of a lot better

[tame vector]

That's right, might feel disorienting

Oh well, whatever works I'm happy with

[delicate terrace]

Can we please get papa ares. its a war after all

[turbid hull]

what does Moon do again

[pearl pond]

Question for the dagger weapon (aspect of Mel) - What is a good god to put on the special ?

[glossy rivet]

bring back athena and deflect
(and jolted to zeus)

[delicate terrace]

• power to omega cast

[analog osprey]

poseidon or hestia

[analog ether]

Thought about the Moros aspect: what if the initial contact with an enemy severely reduces the projectile speed?

[delicate terrace]

its always poseidon 💔

[analog osprey]

since you're not investing heavily into special unless the hammers roll that way zeus/demeter/heph all good for a quick debuff/proc

[wild pine]

Increases the flat damage base (power) of the pop at the end of the omega cast. So the additional power will get multiplied by any sources of bonus cast damage or universal bonus damage, but the card won't modify the effects of other cast effects like frost, scorch, lightning, etc.

[delicate terrace]

I was thinking the same but more along the lines of clinging to the enemy. its the aspect of doom after all, inevitability.

[proven orbit]

Wouldn't a percentage based one be better if you pick up concentrated volley?

[wild pine]

If the special can backstab then aphro hook knives seem promising

[delicate terrace]

consistently getting concentrated volley?

its more reliable to depend on god boons as they can be rerolled compared to daedalus hammers which wont let you repick

[analog ether]

Plus, the main weakness of all the daggers is getting good wave clear.

[proven orbit]

Yeah that's fair, I was mostly asking in terms of if a swap is offered

[delicate terrace]

besides, having the keepsake to further tunnel it makes it even better

[turbid hull]

The Moon adds 50 damage to Poseidon's Cast projectile too for some reason

[delicate terrace]

thought i did clear a 24 fear with a hook knife + aphro special

[delicate terrace]

oh yeah, viability in terms of consistency though. hmmm

[turbid hull]

Well, I say "projectile" but iirc it's just that it explodes instantly, probably to make sure it works with Poseidon

[proven orbit]

Speaking of swaps, got the zeus apollo duo, then swapped apollo cast for heroic zeus cast and it somehow felt like a mistake

[delicate terrace]

would making hammers rerollable make the game too easy

[turbid hull]

But yeah you're right @wild pine

[topaz peak]

Plus it works really good with hestia

[wild pine]

Does that disable the duo?

[proven orbit]

I don't think it did, but it felt like the cast was doing overall less damage

[turbid hull]

Ah, right, that's because Poseidon's cast disables the ArmedExpirationDamage of Omega Casts, so they added 50 damage to the Poseidon's cast "projectile" to not make it incompatible with The Moon.

[topaz peak]

Make the reroll cost more dice initially?

[proven orbit]

Not that it was lacking by any means, roughly 15% of chronos healthbar

[delicate terrace]

cant make me swap out my flames for hestia instead of using them on daggers. match made in olympus.

[topaz peak]

No i mean pos on special get hestia cast then get duo

You do require slip as well but that’s not too hard to get

[delicate terrace]

oh. oh damn. yes thats insane too. steam damage

[topaz peak]

Then just try to get pos legendary

[delicate terrace]

they need to buff other duos to be more comparable to that honestly

some just feel ... icky in comparison

[topaz peak]

Not really easy to get on surface

[turbid hull]

I should be done with upgrades today, which means... I will start on Weapon Hammers today too.

[topaz peak]

But possible below

[delicate terrace]

oh well, gonna return to the grind, im just a few runs away from fully upgrading all my arcana cards

[topaz peak]

100%

The pos apollo is cool but very finicky to get

[proven orbit]

i want zeus legendary buff

[analog osprey]

poseidon + apollo duo is... somehow worse than nothing

[delicate terrace]

and aspect of artemis. those 1k bones for nightmares are so expensive 💔

[delicate terrace]

this was the beach ball yeah? fr its weird af.

[turbid hull]

Ouch, Hestia's Scorch stuff scales kinda bad with Poms

[topaz peak]

It would be good with pan if you didn’t need to get 3 boons and some of them being worse than other better options making it a loss to kinda get

[delicate terrace]

only viable run with it was on the surface for me.

[analog osprey]

yeah the beach ball on sprint one

[proven orbit]

Mfw avoiding the shop prices vow because I'm willing to sandbag by 1300 gold to buy a nightmare at the end

[delicate terrace]

IVE ONLY GOTTEN THIS TWICE 💔 Charon keeps giving me moon dust. which is the only reason why im almost maxed out on arcana before 100 runs

[topaz peak]

He sells moon dust?

[delicate terrace]

i recall the titan blood was more common in hades 1.

[topaz peak]

At the final thing

[delicate terrace]

oh yeah, he sells it for 1k. its prior to chronos only of course.

[proven orbit]

I think I saw his membership card, moondust, and nightmare at the final charon shop yeah

[delicate terrace]

well someone is Charons VIP. 💔

[topaz peak]

On right the moondust right

[proven orbit]

One at a time ofc

I don't think he ever sells multiple in a single run

[turbid hull]

can't upgrade Hearth Gain smh

[delicate terrace]

kbai peeps. time to stop doing 32 fear runs and focus on mat farming for the next update

[topaz peak]

The extra prices aren’t too bad if you play well enough to not need to buy the healing items. Charon has stopped selling me those before chronos though sadly

[topaz peak]

Why mat farming?

[proven orbit]

Yeah the prices were my go to for middle heat in H1 and H2 is seemingly more generous on gold. It's the fact meta currency price goes up too that stops me

[proven orbit]

Presumably to not have to always play mel aspects

Not being maxed out when taking on the fear feels bad

[spice ibex]

@civic ocean You mentioned in your charon axe guide that Born gain is good but reduce your damage ????

[turbid hull]

How?

[spice ibex]

one sec

@turbid hull read the gameplay section in the charon axe guide here'

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/e/2PACX-1vS73iWzIxaOupBwoVUJPjxtmSJEtrlTnLh9GFJzTYblncgPo7Ka1J08JG7r-4k6qEPwOJWH_xfp4al2/pubhtml#

[turbid hull]

Unsure how it does, maybe from missing another Hera boon? Bc it has no damage nerf inherently

[analog osprey]

thought it was from born gain locking up more of the mana pool in longer fights and that link being a mana heavy build

[spice ibex]

What I understood is that he says that you replace hera in general with zeus , so you wont get the duo of apollo zeus and other things

[turbid hull]

Yeah, could be that too. But it doesn't cut damage from not having the Boon, since not having the Boon would just make you be at 0 Magick at some point

[spice ibex]

Anyway zeus's Gain doesn't enter in the duo lol

Just checked in that steam post

[plain fossil]

Thats correct

[spice ibex]

You can get zeus on special

so it's not a problem

[plain fossil]

Ok so the way the game works is

The first 3 gods u get are ur god pool and future boons u get will be from that pool, u can force a fourth with keepsakes but it doesnt add the god to the pool

[spice ibex]

wait its not 4 ?

Why I thought it's 4 ? It was 4 in Hades

[turbid hull]

No, it's 3

[plain fossil]

It was 4 in hades 1, its 3 in this game

[turbid hull]

It's written in the game's code

[spice ibex]

Yeah I just thought they're the same , dumb me

[plain fossil]

What ur allowed to do is splash hera for born gain since u want no other hera stuff, thats acceptable but uses 1 boon slot, between 0 and multiple rerolls, and ur act 2 keepsake

[turbid hull]

MaxGodsPerRun is set to 3

Ig that's to avoid Duo/Legendary boons being too rare

And also to allow better synergies

[plain fossil]

It makes the game a lot more consistent, ymmv on whether thats good

[flat epoch]

Does anyone know the the rank ups for Icarus' hammer? Wanted to try something and wanted to check if it would be worth grinding the ranks

[turbid hull]

10 15 20 25 encounters

[flat epoch]

Thank you

[turbid hull]

[plain fossil]

I didnt upgrade that one yet, 20 encounters is nearly clickable if ur feeling lucky

Because u can click that in a3

[spice ibex]

Guys , how possible can vow of arrogance be a good choice on builds other than that cheesy spam wave flourish build

[tall notch]

It's clickable if it can't brick your build

[turbid hull]

hi Eos

[tall notch]

Heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[proven orbit]

Not relying heavily on magick and not relying heavily on rare+ boons both solve it pretty much

[plain fossil]

Its a decent choice regardless, rarity is overrated a lot of the time especially on support boons

[tall notch]

It's my go to even on the most mana-loving weapons, 4 fear is a lot

[plain fossil]

And momus isnt the only zero mana setup out there

[turbid hull]

Hydraulic Might being +200% Attack/Special damage for 10 Sec instead of +100% for common

[plain fossil]

Ive been trying zero mana on pretty much everything that doesnt have an omega as a core part of its dps rotation

[spice ibex]

so , make vow of fury lvl 2 or arrogance lvl 2 ( regarding that the other would be lvl 1 )

[tall notch]

Hmm, I'd try a pact that maxxes both unless it's very low fear but if you can only max one do fury to get used to it imo

[spice ibex]

Also , vow of destitution lvl 1 or scars lvl 1 ( the other will be off )

[turbid hull]

Has anyone been able to upgrade Ocean's Bounty?

[spice ibex]

its 16 fear

[tall notch]

What's destitution again

[spice ibex]

shop prices

[turbid hull]

Higher price

[tall notch]

I wasn't but I rarely take it

[spice ibex]

sorry for being unclear there

[plain fossil]

Scars level 1 is pretty irrelevant thats an easy click for me

[tall notch]

Take the prices, less healing is punishing over the course of a run

[plain fossil]

Lul the dichotomy of mankind

[spice ibex]

alr

btw is 16 fear very low

[tall notch]

The healing just kinda adds up if you take chip damage over random rooms. You kinda need at least 2 for fear 32 but bellw that i wouldn't bother

[tall notch]

It's probably what I'd call medium fear

Anyway, I'm tired I'll try getting a few more hours of sleep

[spice ibex]

gn

[tall notch]

(insomnia i hate you 😠 )

[plain fossil]

I like clicking everything in shops lul

[turbid hull]

Poseidon Upgrades done. One god left and then weapon hammers

[flint loom]

Woohoo.. beat Chronos for the first time

[bleak night]

gg

[wild pine]

Yeah, if I click the hammer in third biome I still have it for Chronos fight. Sometimes I do it just to cull something from the pool so I am a little more likely to see my favorite hammer.

[spice ibex]

Growing coils or clean helix

[turbid hull]

Started adding icons to the sheet

[spice ibex]

growing coils : increase special size grow and damage

[cursive gate]

Hey there what's the requirement to get the boon list? Is it just giving each olympian a nectar and waiting for the inantation to pop up?

[nova nexus]

That seemed to do it for me

[plain fossil]

for mel torches? i prefer clean helix but both are acceptable

[rugged steppe]

Hello, is it true you can level up the keepsakes to rank 4 now?

[turbid hull]

Demeter's Cherished Heirloom Boon makes the Keepsakes you equip one level stronger for the night, it's the only way to get rank 4 Keepsakes

[spice ibex]

Already won the run ( I picked clean helix )

but didn't get apollo's legendary

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072937117673590817/1244577652535332895/image.png?ex=66559ec3&is=66544d43&hm=18896166291183d4a3e056b62ee195467c2c34c3a8773815c62480f55c8918e0& I WON'T PROCEED

[rugged steppe]

Ahh, okay, I see. I have to try that, thanks

[turbid hull]

(it's also Hera btw - it's their Duo Boon)

[spice ibex]

Any other familiar than frinos ?

[cursive gate]

da cat

[spice ibex]

I pet her but she disappears

[turbid hull]

you need to give her food

[cursive gate]

probably gotta show up with treats

[spice ibex]

Also , how to open the door in the crossroads , and how to wake up hypnos

[turbid hull]

what door (afaik you can't wake up hypnos yet)

[cursive gate]

keep playing and you will get the incantation to remove the seal

[turbid hull]

Aaaah, that door

[spice ibex]

the blocked one in the crossroads ( the place eris stands in )

[cursive gate]

oh nv

[spice ibex]

alr , just keep playing ? no certain fear req

[cursive gate]

nah disregard what I said I thought you meant the surface way barrier

I think it's locked until an update

[turbid hull]

oh, I thought you meant the door for the place where you can go fish

[spice ibex]

That's was my guess

[spice ibex]

what

[cursive gate]

the what

[proven orbit]

the door (for fishing)

[turbid hull]

uuh maybe english is bad

[spice ibex]

I don't know this

[cursive gate]

no it's fine, I just don't know the place

[spice ibex]

same here

[proven orbit]

I'm ngl it's kind of disappointing for the door to be so ominously present just to end up as a recreation activity

[turbid hull]

yeah it's a recreation activity where you can bring characters to talk and try to fish

[spice ibex]

WHATS THAT FISHING DOOR

[proven orbit]

It's to the left of list of fated prophecies

[cursive gate]

so the red door with the symbols is... for fishing

[terse prism]

The one beside eris at crossroads

[turbid hull]

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[spice ibex]

lmao I thought it's sth like Hades' room in Hades

[spice ibex]

How to unlock this

[turbid hull]

incantation I believe

[cursive gate]

yeah it looks so important lol

[spice ibex]

Very true

[spice ibex]

Does it have your previous runs , statastics like in hades ?

[turbid hull]

No, that's another place

[spice ibex]

where lmao

[turbid hull]

Port has just the recreation point where you can go fish

[turbid hull]

Two incantations (one for the actual place, and one for the statistician to come)

[spice ibex]

Also will there be a place in codex for boons

[turbid hull]

? There's a codex for boons already, just go on the gods profile and click Y in the compendium

[spice ibex]

wtf

[wild pine]

You have to unlock the boon information later

when you first get the codex it does not have that feature yet

[turbid hull]

yeah, just play the game

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[silk solar]

whats your guys favourite keepsake in the underworld?

[rugged steppe]

for erebus? Circe's, no doubt, if I am not looking for a specific boon from the gods

[silk solar]

That's the only one I don't have unlocked what does it do?

[proven orbit]

Embryo, since chaos boons are just chef's kiss

[rugged steppe]

It unlocks an additional arcana card

[proven orbit]

I guess as the time goes on and I need more consistent startup I might opt in for specific god's keepsakes though

[wild pine]

If you don't want to force a specific god cause you like variety, you can take any of Echo's, Charon's, or Chaos's keepsakes in Erebus to get basically a free permanent extra boon for the rest of your run

Which one is most ideal depends on ... lots of stuff, but they're all pretty good

Circe is cute but feels a lot less reliably beneficial, to me. I would only really take it on a Judgment run to slightly reduce the chance I get screwed out of my death defiances.

[clever drum]

I also like starting with Arachne's (although it relies on finding her to really shine); probably not ideal for climbing fear, but it's quite fun

[wild pine]

The extra gold keepsake is really strong if you haven't increased prices with fear yet, and don't have bonus gold in your arcana (Boatman or Artificer).

On 0 fear I don't really love taking Echo stone in Erebus because it very often saddles you with 2 core boons from your first god, which give you a redundant attack/special pair where you'd rather have mis-matched ones, or may saddle you with a terrible gain or cast.

However, once you have Vow of Forsaking going it becomes much more appealing, since it may save you from losing a key boon, and if it forces something bad on you, you can almost always force a swap.

[acoustic remnant]

I’ve also found that this goes crazy with heph armour tbh

[brazen lark]

i always do Eris's keepsake because i like ensuring the final fight goes 30% faster

[severe light]

Is there any fun build with the skull?

[summer root]

hitch on special persephone is pretty funny ngl

[pearl pond]

What skull variant should I try to lvl up 1st with the nightmare material ? I have yet to do any challenges with the skull & I would love to try it

[hollow crypt]

I know a lot of people like Pan Aspect, but man I just can't bring myself to like it

it's so clunky at times trying to line up a cast into omega

[slate pecan]

you can press cast when channeling omega special, that way you skip cast animation. also you can use omega special without cast when behind a beefy enemy or against lots of spread out enemies

[wise nest]

You can also opt for zeus/demeter shot casts to make it easier to throw out a cast and then go right into channeling special

But if you get muscle memory you'll find it pretty easy to get in, cast, then quickly dash out and let off a partly charged omega special

[slate pecan]

yeah a partly charged omega special is very often enough to clear low and medium health enemies, especially with high rarity and/or lvl poseidon special. don't dash into the groups of enemies to put your cast down because that way you can't immediately dash out, instead just walk closer to them, doesn't even have to be exactly in range of cast yet, because they'll walk into it while following you, then dash out and omega special them. also boundless flurry is amazing, makes you fully charge omega special almost instantly

[hollow crypt]

idk I tried with Poseidon Special and it just didn't get nearly enough damage to carry me later on

maybe I'm just getting unlucky

[wise nest]

Probably unlucky, poseidon special for momus/pan is obscene right now between how much damage it does and how easy it is to scale

[slate pecan]

also at least one of the special hammers is pretty much necessary later on, the best is boundless fury followed by hook knives

[wise nest]

you can easily ensure you get a heroic special by taking narcissus keepsake (Aromatic Phial)

That alone takes your base splash damage from 20 at common to 50 at heroic

And you don't really need other boons much even if they help for things like triggering origination (2 curses for extra damage) or projectile casts (so you can set a target without having to stand there)

So it's super easy to pom poseidon special and go nuts with hardly any other boons, and that's if you're not getting extra damage in from slip, origination, etc

[wise nest]

Do you have the arcana cards for extra damage in casts or 2+ curses?

Both of those really help pump up the damage, and since pan targets enemies in your casts, the cast one is especially helpful

[hollow crypt]

I do have Origination, Furies I don't remember if I had it

[wise nest]

Spiral is demonic in open spaces too, and ricochet is a nice alternative if you can't get hook knives. The only omega special hammer that you really don't want is the one that fires them all in a straight line since it'll reduce your damage output

[hollow crypt]

I didn't get good Hammers then

[wise nest]

^ (this is bc the knives not spreading out means that they'll hit fewer enemies on their way to the target)

[hollow crypt]

the only Special Hammer I was offered was +Power per consecutive hit

[wise nest]

Oh yeah that one's still good too

[slate pecan]

yeah i feel like Spiral provides better single target damage than Hook Knives but it's slightly worse for room clear, unless you have the impervious for 10 seconds boon from Heph

[wise nest]

Especially with hook knives or spiral

[slate pecan]

the bounce hammer is good for clear but ruins hook knives in combination, i think

[wise nest]

it's only bad for room clear in tight spaces, it can really be a pain in 2nd surface biome and some tart rooms

[wise nest]

it does, yep. That's why I mentioned you should take it as an alternative if you don't get hook, since it's not as good and would ruin it if you have it

[hollow crypt]

32 Fear Momus, Hammers all Omega Attack, RIP run

[slate pecan]

damn unlucky

[wise nest]

Hestia and demeter are both insanely good partners for pan knives poseidon, btw. Hestia has scorch as a curse for origination, and has a projectile cast boon, while Demeter has 2 curses that also make enemies easier to hit with the cast + knives

[wise nest]

easy run still tbh, it's momus

[hollow crypt]

I can still make it work but man

[wise nest]

Spam button and run away

[hollow crypt]

I'll play it out see if I can still beat Eris

[wise nest]

Remember that momus special does the same damage as zorephet first swing

4 momus specials do the same damage as zorephet's 7 year final swing while being from range and with no commitment whatsoever

[wise nest]

what boons are you running

[hollow crypt]

I got Poseidon and Zeus

but I got scammed a few times, sniped the from offscreen by a barrel and a Hawk

[bleak night]

I fear a lot of the surface enemies more than the UW ones

[plain fossil]

Harpy ptsd

U now have 3 square inches to stand and its about to be full of projectiles, thank you and enjoy ur stay

[glossy rivet]

soot sprint deletes harpy beyblades right?

[bleak night]

I have more issues with the enemy that smacks the ground to do damage, then the ground smack echoes again to do more damage

because I can't shield against it

[wise nest]

The big skull guy yeah

[plain fossil]

Oh i play too slow to get hit by that guy

[wise nest]

One thing that's annoying is that some groundpound attacks are blockable while others aren't

[plain fossil]

It hits for 72 first hit tho

[bleak night]

I play melee playstyles, so I just hate these types of enemies

[wise nest]

So you have to specifically remember which ones you can block and which you can't

[bleak night]

I've got a bit of a list already, but I'm double checking to ensure they're truly unblockables

[glossy rivet]

i miss deflecting wave-makers from h1
soot it i miss deflect in general

[plain fossil]

Idk i just turn the timer off and click demeter a lot lmao

[bleak night]

I just miss being able to slice or shoot through projectiles

[glossy rivet]

oh yeah we used to be able to kill projectiles (i think)

[wise nest]

yep

[bleak night]

We could, yeah

[plain fossil]

I dont miss deflect at all ngl except i think athena attack on some weapons was acceptable

[wise nest]

and even then we didn't do it much because ✨athena✨

[bleak night]

I rely too much on Hera during my high fear runs now since I'm not confident in seeing projectiles when being swarmed by 30 enemies

[wise nest]

Yeah I really like that hera basically turns any weapon into rama (coolest weapon)

[glossy rivet]

missing jolt though
jolt..

[bleak night]

I went back and played some Rama, I love me some Sharanga damage

[glossy rivet]

need psychic + advance whirl to be fixed so i can relive some guan-yu

[wise nest]

There is literally nothing more satisfying than applying sharanga then hitting a fat twin shot

[bleak night]

steep hammers needed just to Guan Yu in this game sadly

[glossy rivet]

artemis core boons mm crits
and artemis is about as stingy as hermes in rarity

[wise nest]

The closest we get to rama in this game is the ricochet hammers + hitch

Or hera special revaal

[bleak night]

I miss the gameplay of bows in this game a lot

[glossy rivet]

momskull special my beloved

[wise nest]

zagbow my beloved rama my beloved

[glossy rivet]

i need to try it more but i mean its basically just grab aphro on special and profit

[wise nest]

chiron is funny, hera is just beowulf at home

[plain fossil]

So i just spent a productive evening demonstrating to myself that zero mana torches is playable but only with exactly crushing comet

[wise nest]

hera's still fun but it really is just beowulf at home

[plain fossil]

And if u dont have crushing comet ur build is actually always horrendous

Which is uh idk if its good to know but its something

[wise nest]

I just got an idea

[hollow crypt]

I think they could make Soot a pseudo-deflect - returns projectiles to sender and Scorches all enemies on the way back

[wise nest]

Ranking Hades aspects by how well they actually fit with their core god

[glossy rivet]

how about give zeus a boon that makes blitz count from enemy attacks too and gimme pseudo-jolt

[plain fossil]

Well aspect of moros sounds cool but does actual nothing so hey look 10/10 representation

[hollow crypt]

I played 0 mana Torches before, Blitz Attack, Romantic Spark, and Static Shock

[plain fossil]

Man i am not gonna try and proc blitz with regular torch attack thats worse than cbt

[hollow crypt]

idk if it'll work at very high fear

I roll for static shock lol

[proven orbit]

blitz special on moros felt pretty sweet ngl

[wise nest]

S: Zeus. 64 heat. That's all
F: Hestia because scorch is diametrically opposed to the weapon's cool ass single shot playstyle

[glossy rivet]

tfw cant use infernal arms reimagined for hades 2

[plain fossil]

I miss lucifer, destructive array is not it

[glossy rivet]

wanna use the adamant rail again smh not just get strafed by eris with all new rail moves

how does she get to use both her aspect's perk and also hestia's snipe

also i guess zag's infinite ammo lul
sick dash attack too with the strafe imo

[plain fossil]

I tried destructive array with scorch setup since its got a big %penalty but scorch is unaffected im never doing that again lul

Scorch is balanced around u getting every single scorch support boon so its only actual dps is if u break the rules with air quality

[wise nest]

supersoaker gun go brrr

[plain fossil]

For me its insane that scorch is so undertuned that hestia cast doesnt even give u origination uptime when its active

At base

[wise nest]

I mean eris cheats so hard she straight up has like 6 hammers on at once so switching aspects doesn't seem that bad

I've constructed the tierlist 😌

[glossy rivet]

oh yeah forgot she also does spread fire with like 999x the range

EM eris is gonna have clockets i just know it

[proven orbit]

EM eris' last phase will be hazard bomb covering the entire stage

[wise nest]

don't give them ideas

[glossy rivet]

em eris also gonna have ricocheting bullets like zeus chain lightnings

or eris could also get the homing bullets hammer

or even the exploding bullets hammer to counter soot sprint

[wise nest]

Hades gods ranked based on how well they fit with the weapon they actually used

• S: Zeus because 64 heat Zeus shield
• A: Artemis, all her crit stuff fits perfectly with her aspect but doesn't scale as hard as Zeus
• B: Poseidon/Demeter, their boons don't really go the best with their weapons but they're still nice to have and work well enough
• C: Hera, but if hitch applied to cast damage as well it would probably shoot up to A and just be Rama at home
• N/A: Chaos, their boons are just random support stuff for the most part
• F: Hestia wants to apply scorch rapidly with many instances of damage, but the aspect having a single shot sniper playstyle directly gets in the way of that and doesn't fit well

[proven orbit]

Speaking of soot sprint, I did a run with hephaestus sprint, and it felt surprisingly decent. 675 damage when heroic and pommed, it's not as much as dedicated builds, but it lets you focus on circling eris around and because of that felt easier than soot

[wise nest]

I wonder what Demeter would've been like with the fists though, because all the other gods stay the same but she only has winter themed stuff because of Persephone not being with her

And when they went to war with the Titans, she hadn't yet had a daughter to be bereft over and invent the concept of winter for

Actually now that I think about it, Zeus and Poseidon probably were different too since they only drew lots to determine their realms after they beat the Titans

[proven orbit]

goddess of seasons feels awfully hard to get a grasp of design on than winter. what is it gonna do, throw yellow leaves at people?

and for the scorching sun of summer there is already apollo

[wise nest]

Oh yeah, but this is from more of a lore standpoint as far as just thinking about it

[glossy rivet]

persephone aspect be like S tier bc just pom ur aphro special lmaoo

[proven orbit]

Ye, I was just trying to imagine but failed

[wise nest]

We got dad boons and dad call, mom boons when

Funnily enough, a lot of the Olympians actually don't follow the pattern other gods have where they're born into their area of influence

The children of the Titans all adopted roles after they were in power, Zeus' kids all kind of came to do things because of their personalities

Like Moros was born as a personification of Doom, Eros is love itself, but Artemis just kind of decided she wanted to chill on her own and hunt things with her besties so she became goddess of the hunt

[wicked cliff]

quick question

[wise nest]

Selene and Helios ARE the sun and moon, but Poseidon's water powers are kinda just because RNG said he should rule the oceans

[wicked cliff]

polyphemus. i know he can't see me sometimes but i'm having a hard time figuring out when

[wise nest]

I genuinely don't know for that one

But if you keep him on screen all his attacks are telegraphed and slow enough to easily dodge

[spare kite]

If you mean the attack where he says "where are you" then throws a rock if you attack him, he does that typical motion of looking both ways with a hand over his "eye"

[wise nest]

The bigger problem is the minions, the fire guys cut off so much area so killing them first will make it a lot easier to just casually beat him up

[proven orbit]

My awareness on cyclops fight is so below zero that it took me until 5th fight to notice aggressive sheep bumping into melinoe

[charred lintel]

i just never encountered him picking me up or the sheep knocking into me until our like 7th fight. that didnt stop him from killing me a few times before though

[spare kite]

Tbh why would I assume that the normally passive sheep are like the rats but worse now

[wicked cliff]

IM AUSTRALIAN WE SWEAR HERE

;-; but yeah he has a line for when you take the curse hex into the fight

[turbid hull]

Hecate has one too

[ionic lily]

Tbf, there are a few sheep types so it could very well be the first time you encountered those particular sheep

[rare path]

I’ve been getting the sheep that have the attack absorbing range around them lately. Very annoying

[proven orbit]

No, I just remained blind to all of them, until I noticed brown ones

[white steppe]

what do people do on maxed vow of scars without momus? buy dds and just dont get hit lmao?

[tall notch]

Armor+antler gaming

[past salmon]

Simply don't get hit

Also Moros pin is broken

[proven orbit]

stubborn defiance at home

[long osprey]

What are the best attack boons for aspect of Pan, in y'alls opinion?

[tall notch]

I don't want to be attacking with Pan

[long osprey]

I meant special, my brain is just not working right now lmao

[tall notch]

Ohh
Poseidon

[knotty fulcrum]

I ussualy pick poseidon or aphro. but you can make hestia work

[long osprey]

Alright I'll give poseidon a shot, now to pray for hook knives

[long osprey]

Ok aphro cast with poseidon special on Pan feels really satisfying

[steep heron]

the sheep that attack you have a reddish hue i think

[spare kite]

Oh I know how to identify them now, but considering the first few times they didn't attack me like that I wasn't gonna expect them

[split igloo]

Anyone got a link for the pink aura build

[steep heron]

yeah, some of them are just there to be eaten, when polyphemus eats one he regains some health

[sly scarab]

https://1drv.ms/i/c/57944c6e14a484b6/EY38Z0IHz91Pmt8fjzEH-fwB-rQ-3RGKtFtAu6AkYK1dTg?e=3QDur7 absolutely silly run. turns out making each attack deal 200 damage, and using born again to have practically infinite magick is going to be pretty good.

[tall notch]

Is the hades2 heat leaderboard app no longer a thing? It's been down for me since yesterday

[pine viper]

After having a blast with blitz on melinoe torch, the last god that I do not understand how to utilize is Heph. So pls, how do you use him? Only for defense and never using his blasts?

[slate pecan]

it was renamed to hades2-fear-run

[ruby slate]

Hey out of curiousity, in the second world in what order do you deal with the final boss? I usually do bass, drums, singer. Then I try to go in the same order but focus the one that got powered up.
Also, does the moon beam trinket work more than once?

[tall notch]

Ohh thanks

[spare kite]

Target drummer first + whoever stands next to her, if they die its not my fault

[proven orbit]

Myeah, drums are simultaneously the easiest to burst down and the most annoying when left alive

Luring others to the pile can be beneficial (especially because they struggle to attack you with live wall in the path)

[fickle glade]

Reduce the cooldown by leveling up then pick Hestia duo boon. 4lv with rare the cooldown only has 3s

Mega bonk with Hephaetus Sprint

[split igloo]

^^^^ 🙏

[wild pine]

Also somehow childbirth and midwives, confusingly

[ruby slate]

Allright, thats usefull advice thank you :)

[ionic lily]

I've already f10-ed it, but its pretty hilarious that a Heroic Winter Coat +4 gave me -1 mana primed

[timber pawn]

What's the actual link?

[tall notch]

https://hades2-fear-run.vercel.app/

[timber pawn]

Man some of my 32 fear run with obscure aspects would actually be on there now

[tall notch]

I need to get that 43 fear Eos before I go on holiday so that I'm up there

[timber pawn]

My moros, mel daggers, and circe would all be top of their respective lists. Man I really should've recorded. Oh well

[tall notch]

"I really should've recorded" is how I feel about my air fryer 40 fear eos

[timber pawn]

Pain

[tall notch]

It would've been the ultimate air fryer propaganda piece

Even though it ran out of time in Erebus and on Chronos

[civic ocean]

I didn't have the igt on for my runs

So my runs can't be submitted to SDC

[plucky dagger]

What's the minimum cooldown on Hepaestus' blasts on attacks? Got it to 2 seconds at some point with poms

[civic ocean]

It's 2

[tall notch]

I got in the habit of having it on because it gives me an idea of how well I'd handle the timer (so I could start running it the moment i was ready for it) and also igt shows you a room will have Artemis/Icarus before they actually show up

[timber pawn]

Recording is just a pain, a full run is going to be like 5gb or something

[tall notch]

I have to clear my recordings folder after every session of trying to push fear

[civic ocean]

It's gonna be easier to stream it to twitch probably and then highlight the VOD.

[timber pawn]

True I do have obs set up already

[tall notch]

Last night, after my last run I looked at the folder and it was like 120 gigs

[timber pawn]

Gross

[timber pawn]

Don't vod highlights delete themselves after some time?

[tall notch]

There was a bunch of cool moments in there I could clip and share but like I had to delete it because I'd run out of disk space in a few days

[steel sequoia]

im not having fun with trial of haste https://postimg.cc/mtsPT2Rq

[civic ocean]

Yeah gotta go from there to yt

[mossy ibex]

yoo i tried out aspect of pan
its so OP

[plucky dagger]

Might help doing the miniboss instead of a multi-reward room when the choice is there if you're not doing so already, found that it sped up my Haste run significantly

[ionic lily]

had a really fun low heat air fryer run the other day with chain lightning, artemis homing and zeus dash on top of the scorch

[vapid hatch]

https://postimg.cc/bGfJnkZX I was able to dodge upgradable boons until late into the fields and went for all shops/poms (only problem, its on ygnium 😂 )

[timber pawn]

If I'm gonna do the 5 back to back I think I need to actually plan out the builds and order ahead of time

[proven orbit]

trial of haste going fine until you meet stage 1 miniboss as a regular mob in the wave

[steel sequoia]

its the only trial i cant finish, annoying me

[proven orbit]

on 3rd or so try I did clear it with 80 seconds spare, but I think I got multiple fast rooms

[timber pawn]

I had like 10 seconds left on mine I think, it is a tough trial

[split glen]

does vow of scars nullify chaos' "blood" boon? (+4 hp per location exit)

i'm assuming it does

[vapid hatch]

https://postimg.cc/D8wQ8WDy since I now know how to post images, this was an earlier run on lim and oros (still in erebus, encounter 3)

[proven orbit]

Most likely

[spare kite]

If it's at max then yeah, no healing

[split glen]

i have literally never seen that kind of discord link before. what was that @ xenias lol

[mystic bison]

Cool Momus synergy I stumbled at random, gotta play around with this more: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1242098453979598872/1244665268165148692/Screenshot_4073.png?ex=6655f05c&is=66549edc&hm=8718fbc569a7fded1ad6abd5a2b7c406f2fef5c30f7b83172162001dc9c909a7&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=550&height=309

[proven orbit]

Stuff that did work in hades 1 and most likely transfers to this game is: revives heal you still, and weapon aspects' effects heal you

[spare kite]

Hanmers too

[mystic bison]

Tried to copy image link before sending it in my server, turned out weird lol

[spare kite]

Tho there's only one hammer for that I think lmao

[proven orbit]

staff omega attack

[split glen]

i love the staff omega attack. my best friend

[spare kite]

I assume stuff like apollo's infusion/aph-heph also get rekt

[sour cape]

And Aphro boon

I feel like the healing boon should just prevent fountain heals

[split glen]

huh, would rare crop activate arrogance? the tooltip says "upon choosing" a boon, i think

[sour cape]

Its kinda dumb making a lotta boons useless 🤔

[bleak night]

nope

the Rare Crop boon itself does, but the boons it upgrades doesn't prime

[proven orbit]

Meh, wouldn't wanna have moon water monopoly

[turbid hull]

what's arrogance?

[ruby slate]

So like haphestus' volcanic strike is like- rly strong right? I got to cronos for the first time using it, I got it to a 2 second cooldown. I guess Im wondering really if that is just way stronger than other attack boons or if Im mistaken

[proven orbit]

arrogance is priming magick for non-common boons

[turbid hull]

oh, the vow

[mystic bison]

Primes your mana for every boon rarity you pick

[spare kite]

Prime 5/10 per non common rarity

[sour cape]

Thee other hexes mostly just need buff

[turbid hull]

sorry, I mine stuff but I don't actually know the game

I finished putting icons for half the tabs in the spreadsheet, btw

[split igloo]

@bleak night comrade do you happen to have a copy of the pink aura build

[bleak night]

Can you link me the spreadsheet again btw

[turbid hull]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16jTOWHeBRMTRoui75dLP0oU0tGQC-b0QO3KEWGp3YZI/edit?usp=sharing

[proven orbit]

Dark side tricked me into liking glorified ares aid 💀

[bleak night]

Oh, it's
Apollo on Attack to work towards Exceptional Talent, which doubles your orb spawns and makes it cost +20 mana, reaching over 30 for spawning hearthrobs
Aphrodite on Special
Hera on Mana Regen
Heartbreaker + Aphrodite-Apollo Duo to spawn 3 Hearthrobs every 30 mana.

[white steppe]

yall run artemis daggers without the slow down arcana? it feels kinda bad to wait it out lul

[bleak night]

You also want to get into Chaos portals and try to get as many chargetime reduction boons as you can

[turbid hull]

what's heartbreaker

[bleak night]

What spawns the hearthrob orbs

[turbid hull]

[bleak night]

I need to run that weapon more in general

[split igloo]

Thank you thank you thank you

[bleak night]

np

[bleak night]

probs just leave the icons empty for the ones that you haven't done yet, since they're mostly the placeholder letters atm

[turbid hull]

Nah. I can't, I like to do it too much

[bleak night]

fair enough, lol

[bleak night]

You wanna start replacing all the elements with icons too lol

[turbid hull]

good idea

[bleak night]

[turbid hull]

I have them icons dw

[bleak night]

you just download em off the repository website too yeah ?

[turbid hull]

the what

[bleak night]

https://hades2.game-vault.net/wiki/Boons

[turbid hull]

I got them from a folder held in a wiki website

[bleak night]

oooh, link ?

[turbid hull]

dm

[ruby slate]

On the skulls should you focus on your special or primary attack when building it?

[timber pawn]

what would be the format if I'm trying to record a streak of rotating weapon unseeded, 32 fear runs. Do I need to show a death between each run? Or am I just supposed to show a contiguous recording after the first run going straight into the second etc

[tall notch]

I know that normally for runs you show the death but for a streak not sure

[timber pawn]

I'm going to have to stop and eat eventually lol

I guess Ill just try and get through this artemis run first

[tall notch]

Aren't these poms filling enough for you?

[white steppe]

as long as there's no cuts you shouldnt need to show a death between each run, only at the start

[bleak night]

I've seen some accepted runs where you can just show yourself winning and then the narrators doing the death message

so I feel that'd be considered unseeded all the same

[timber pawn]

ya I mean thats effectively the same as a death

[tall notch]

Oh that is good to know

[bleak night]

then probs do your rotating wins that way

[timber pawn]

well, off we go. Will give it a shot. thats like 3-4 hrs of straight playing though oof

[bleak night]

end one run with the win screen and boons selected, then end that video. Start a new recording starting with the same win screen, go into Zag's room and die, then do your new run

[timber pawn]

oh good call, that way I could take a break

[bleak night]

you can look at your boons and clip them to do the same as a win screen, along with the timer to show it's a continuation of the previous one

should ensure you can take a break, quit game after beating Chronos before taking the ZSand (or after, whichever allows you to save)

[tall notch]

I sometimes take breaks during boon select pauses and between regions

Pencil meta is a good excuse for that

[bleak night]

28 pages of boons

[turbid hull]

I did yeah, and made sure I had left no hidden/not released yet content on the sheet (keeping those for me)

I'm not done

Just taking a break because it gets quickly mentally exhausting

[sterile portal]

tfw using aspect of momus and these are my hammer options when i finally get one in area 3 https://imgur.com/ivzKHb8

[proven orbit]

Daedalus is oddly insisting on fixing your weak sides instead of capitalizing on strong ones and winning the run with 1 move

[white steppe]

yolo icarus for the content

[split glen]

no kidding lol. this thing is kind of busted

[mystic bison]

Why does the cast do literally nothing to Eris? Why can she zip around the arena if I have my cast on her? How is a cast centered build even supposed to win that fight lol

[proven orbit]

People coming for the heal and staying for the nuke double moonlight

[turbid hull]

Interesting, Arachne's Garments' icons are called Athena

[split glen]

i just did a 32 fear run (for the first time) and only died to gramps because i failed to build anything substantial and wasn't used to how slow charging the omega a/s is without my beloved melinoe aspect. hello dyno, glad to see you're still kicking.

[split glen]

even after cursing arachne she's still haunting over her...

[civic ocean]

My plan is to never end stream in Crossroads if I'm on a winstreak

That leaves ambiguity

[crimson wraith]

I have the Hephaestus/Hera duo on Aspect of Artemis with no attack or special boon, +89% attack from Chaos, and +23% damage from no commons Hera boon

The crits are insane

[civic ocean]

I think you can quit game while you're in the House right

[crimson wraith]

And another 41% damage from Chaos, forgot

[civic ocean]

Actually I guess I should test that if I get a W today

[crimson wraith]

Oh, and the hammer that makes my omega attacks do something like 400% damage for more magick

[timber pawn]

well I just absolutely annihilated chronos with spiteful artemis

6k crits lmao

[timber pawn]

I am debating whether or not to do momus for the staff run but on principle I kind of don't want to do it lol

[proven orbit]

do melinoe for the dashstrike omega attack repeat

[timber pawn]

Previously I'd done two storm ring runs, the first one had local climate which worked way better than the second one

[proven orbit]

Huh, storm climate. I'm surprised it works better

[white steppe]

ok you cant parry drum sirens ground aoe, idk why I thought you could, i guess you can parry other ground attacks

[proven orbit]

Usually I try to drop the cast on the boss then skiddable into another galaxy

[timber pawn]

It was mainly ad clear that was the issue, storm ring cleared slow, local climate allowed me to move the cast around

[proven orbit]

Ah, alright

[timber pawn]

So normal rooms slowed me down a ton. One cast per skull/bag/hourglass

[civic ocean]

Next time you win see if you can save and quit in the house

[proven orbit]

The one time I had storm cast I also had spin to win axe so the mob clear wasn't an issue

[civic ocean]

Air Fryer is actually pretty good at clearing the numbskulls because it sticks with them

[timber pawn]

Ya that could also be an option for that storm ring run I guess? No great scorch appliers though

[civic ocean]

I think on staff you go scorch on atk and Thermal on Special and eventually the special starts stacking crazy dmg

With Lance+Storm on the cast

But I don't wanna play air fryer every wep it's boring

Gonna play Snorlax Staff instead

[timber pawn]

Lance is so frustrating and snaps to enemies. In p2 chronos it snapped to like 8 different hourglasses before it hit chronos

[civic ocean]

I feel like I have the Lightning Lance 6th sense I always hit what I want now

[timber pawn]

I definitely don't haha

[proven orbit]

Personally I'm a burning coal fan but lightning lance can work fine

[crimson wraith]

The Hephaestus/Hera duo is frustrating if you get it by chance but if you're building for it then it can be awesome

(Unrelated to current discussion)

[timber pawn]

Remind me what that does?

[crimson wraith]

+200% attack/special damage when the respective slot is unoccupied

[timber pawn]

Oh wait I'm stupid that's my favorite duo

I misread the listed gods I think lol

[timber pawn]

Ya its also an incredible duo for higher fear runs because it is enabled with born gain and Hephs amazing defensive boons

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1244662882507952169/1244685512699023370/chaos__revenants.mp4?ex=66560337&is=6654b1b7&hm=175bd6979d6432106fff402fa79638576906a8a4fbc3315e60378a0fe6a1082d& note to self: do not take Chaos bombs in Oceanus if you are playing revenants

[proven orbit]

oceanus revenants has got to be a form of torture

[bleak night]

The worst combination

[tall notch]

I couldn't help but keep laughing for that entire room

[lament glade]

i hate revenants

[lament glade]

btw what's your arcana setup for eos on 40+ fear

I would consider myself Eos #2 fan but im kinda. bad at it rn

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927694753116614746/1244686589808873513/image.png?ex=66560438&is=6654b2b8&hm=29b5ef8b57ccc161531e3356165c690988f30ab4b6eee85e08e68b87942ca74e& would swap strength for some other stuff if I didn't run antler

[spare kite]

Fish goes boom

[lament glade]

hm i've n ever really tried boatman

[tall notch]

It's good because it enables the 10 rerolls arcana and guarantees you'll be able to afford the Erebus midshop at +80% prices

[lament glade]

yeah, i know why it's good i just haven't used it much 💀

i really need to level up all my arcana im lacking on m-dust still

[tall notch]

I used to avoid it because I thought I need other stuff more but after forcing my way through 5 min timer 40 fear I became a boatman fan

[knotty fulcrum]

i swear some of these duos are bugged. like there is no way I don't get it after seeing 12+ different offerings. and I use the arcana card with +10% duo chance

[lament glade]

yeah i tried 49 fear momus once and it wasn't really very fun

[crimson wraith]

I find it odd thematically that it is required for the active arcana in the corner

[steel sequoia]

idk why people want to play 50 fear without full arcana and keepsakes

[lament glade]

i mean it takes a really long time to get all of that and i don't really want to cheat my save file again

[tall notch]

Are you sure you met the prerequisites? Some of them are not intuitive at all

[lament glade]

i had to in the first game for speedrunning reasons but i'd rather not rn

[knotty fulcrum]

i have the book I checked

[spare kite]

Buying stuff good

[tall notch]

Current speedrun setups kinda require a secondary save file without centaur unlocked

[lament glade]

it does feel really pricy

[lament glade]

wait what's wrong with having centaur unlocked
does it fw strength

[tall notch]

Antler is below 30 hp, not below 30% hp

[lament glade]

oh true antler

i use it a lot but i keep forgetting it exists somehow

they should create a reasonable way to just disable 0 grasp activations even if you meet reqs

[tall notch]

Rn I am experimeting with Hera start and Oceanus antler with 7 min timer, it seems to work well so far

[lament glade]

or like refunds in the first game

[lament glade]

tbh there's not much need for keepsakes after hera start anyway with eos

[proven orbit]

remember, being a fan is about the amount of enthusiasm, not skill

[lament glade]

so you can do antler without sacrificing much

[tall notch]

Yeah I just need to roll natural demeter and natural heph somehow

[crimson wraith]

Yeah, it's bizarre that you are forced to use the fear modifier just to have 0 arcana

[lament glade]

heph doesn't seem that necessary to me

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927694753116614746/1244688451979444304/image.png?ex=665605f4&is=6654b474&hm=54c7c878117e774d99d5f0022c03a45ebc443dc28c25abf675ac99a169a3cf22& with this pact he really is 😭

[lament glade]

i mean what boons do you need

just the armor ones?

[tall notch]

Trusty shield, mint condition, heavy metal, his Hera duo is nice too

[lament glade]

just don't get hit

[lament glade]

shouldn't be that hard hahaaaaaa

[pale vortex]

For pan daggers, the hook knives worth getting them?

[steel sequoia]

its good

the only mandatory for me is the one that reduce the cost

[proven orbit]

hook knives are very good on regular daggers but I don't know how it works with pan

[pale vortex]

Oh boundless flurry

[lament glade]

its ok on pan but there are better ones

[knotty fulcrum]

got it after 2 more boons

[tall notch]

Aren't hook knives like the best Pan hammer

[pale vortex]

I have that option too to get probably get this one that reduce cost and channel time

[proven orbit]

For pan you would want the spiral and the concentrated volley ye

[tall notch]

Because they do hit twice + you get that backstab dmg

[proven orbit]

cost and channel time reduction is also great

[steel sequoia]

Boundless Flurry is the best, the others are good https://postimg.cc/dhvbngFg

[tall notch]

To be fair all Pan hammers are cracked

[lament glade]

they feel inconsistent sometimes

[pale vortex]

I have both options haha

[civic ocean]

Mathematcially - by far, not close, in terms of damage

Boundless flurry is the efficiency option

[tall notch]

It's a weapon where I'd consider putting on that 3 hammer keepsake because it'll probably benefit

[lament glade]

i haven't played pan in a while but the backstab just doesn't hit on occasion

[knotty fulcrum]

is that good tho? I couldn't get the ones shooting from the back to hit the target (not enough range)

[proven orbit]

Sureshot Flurry has got to be the weakest

[lament glade]

true

[steel sequoia]

its still good tho

[civic ocean]

Sureshot's range is nice

[steel sequoia]

ive made a run with pos sureshot and it melts chrono

[lament glade]

i wonder
what makes pan so much better than chiron

[proven orbit]

If relative to all weapons hammers then it's alright, yeah

[lament glade]

is it just the hammers? the existence of new poseidon?

[tall notch]

It actually scales unlike Chiron

[steel sequoia]

i liked chiron more tbh, pan feels glitchy sometimes

[tall notch]

Even the fundamental fact that Chiron made you shoot fewer arrows than normal and Pan makes you shoot more

[proven orbit]

Hm. To be entirely honest, I only actually used the spiral pointblank on regular aspect so I didn't know if pan would struggle with aim

[lament glade]

that's a fair point

[civic ocean]

The knives deal considerably more damage than the bow special, no?

[lament glade]

i think so

[proven orbit]

Most definitely

the bow special was doing like, 20?

[civic ocean]

Also you can cast while you charge the barrage so it's very tight

[spare kite]

15 more base dmg

Also having ways to speed up the charge

[proven orbit]

Also there are multiple sources of Power in hades 2, while hades 1 didn't really have that

[spare kite]

Chiron locked you into the animation

[civic ocean]

Also you can more easily increase your Power, which is really good on the fast special

AND, on top of that, something like Poseidon Special doesn't exist for Chrion

[spare kite]

And yeah, you actually have AoE lmfao

[mystic bison]

Chiron is easier to play, just hit with attack and then special spam

Pan knives takes more setup, you need to put up a cast (even worse if you don't have ranged cast) and then channel your special

[lament glade]

yeah but pan is much better

[mystic bison]

I like both

[civic ocean]

I mean it's just different

Chiron would be very, very good in Hades 2 because of how effective it is at range

[tall notch]

Or just cast mid-channel because the game lets you do that

[proven orbit]

chiron with H2 poseidon special is basically sea storm as t1 boon

[mystic bison]

Oh wow you can do that on Pan too?

[tall notch]

Yes, and on Charon even

[steel sequoia]

what was the bow that aimlocked the target? hera?

[mystic bison]

That's great, very efficient with a ranged cast

[spare kite]

Chiron

[proven orbit]

hera was load cast one iirc

[tall notch]

Thing is, ranged cast takes away that ability so you can only do it with melee cast

[knotty fulcrum]

how do you mid charge on charon? or maybe idk what mid channel means

[tall notch]

Hold down special, press cast

[mystic bison]

Ahh that kinda sucks then

[steel sequoia]

oh i liked the Coronacht one

[civic ocean]

While you channel some omega moves, you can throw down your cast

[tall notch]

I loved Hera bow

[mystic bison]

Cause on Pan and Charon you'd want to prioritize range

[civic ocean]

That's a US state

[tall notch]

Spreading the power of love with Aphro cast

[proven orbit]

Ah yes, the pheromone pipe bomb cast

[steel sequoia]

i need to join pink gang

[proven orbit]

pink gang or pink aura gang?

[lament glade]

aphrodite is lovemaxxing '

[stray knot]

How close do you have to actually be to get the aphro attack bonus?

[lament glade]

it's a pretty decent range i think

[tall notch]

Idk the exact range but it is generous. Torch specials are able to proc it

[sour cape]

I felt like its fairly close

[steel sequoia]

pink aura gang, i mean gang bc ther is a lot of adepts

[lament glade]

like you'll always hit it on axe for example iirc

[turbid hull]

430 units

[sour cape]

the Toech specials sometimes not able to proc it

[steel sequoia]

like pink aura is almost a religion

[tall notch]

PINK AURA

[civic ocean]

I use the diameter of a cast as a general measurement, do you know how many units the standard cast is wide

[tall notch]

@bleak night post pink aura pls 🥺

[stray knot]

Interesting, axe range means everything melee except maybe the long spear poke should work?

[civic ocean]

its a staff

[steel sequoia]

i tried doing charon with heph and the special didnt proc sometimes, felt glitchy

i had to melee it to proc sometimes

[proven orbit]

Closest estimate I can give is that staff regular attacks will get the bonus 95% of the time

[stray knot]

Good enough for me.

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1240870334731653160/image.png?ex=6655f9ce&is=6654a84e&hm=0ae039fd3878b50591bb3e4e1c01b9faee929bd07326259a7b157601d5539c28&

[turbid hull]

no I can't I just remember seeing a 430 units threshold on Aphrodite stuff

brb and then I finish the icons, and then, hammers

[tall notch]

HE DID THE THING, PINK AURA GANG

[steel sequoia]

heart+3 is aphro and apollo?

[mystic bison]

Yes

[proven orbit]

Clearly it means 4.3 burgers wide

[civic ocean]

Yes the build is here https://hades2-fear-run.vercel.app/Resources/Aspect of Melinoe Flames - Incredible Balls

[lament glade]

pink aura wtf

[turbid hull]

no i only write sheets sorry kek

[civic ocean]

I'll have more guides up - is it possible to edit the existing ones somehow?

[proven orbit]

how to eris
1 soot sprint
2 start sprinting
3 wait
4 win

[steel sequoia]

im still confused with duos/legendary, thought Torrential Downpour was heph and appolo but its dem instead

[turbid hull]

when I saw "torrential" i thought it would be poseidon. I was disappointed

[civic ocean]

Poseidon makes water go up, Demeter makes it go down

[steel sequoia]

its the funniest duo for charon spam

[flint tulip]

What is the shortest cooldown someone has gotten on Hephaestus Attack/Special and how many poms and what rarity was it

[civic ocean]

2 seconds is the shortest possible

[turbid hull]

2 sec is lowest for both

[steel sequoia]

i believe i made 4s with heroic something

[turbid hull]

Heroic +1 attack is 4s

[proven orbit]

Epic rarity level 6 heph attack is 2s iirc

[true crypt]

i got his attack down to 2 sec at level 7

[steel sequoia]

2s is only worth for daggers imo

[tall notch]

I prefer cuddling pillars, played too much WoW arena cuddling pillars is an addiction

[turbid hull]

for attacks
Heroic +3
Epic +5
Rare +7
Common +9

for specials
Heroic +11
Epic +13
Rare +15
Common +17

[knotty fulcrum]

does anyone know how apollo's legendary works on pan?

[civic ocean]

Today is a stream day so tomorrow I will try to write and post more guides, I think it will be easiest for me to write them on my spreadsheet and then copy-paste them over to the site and replace them as I update them

The biggest problem is my mind changes super fast like all 3 guides posted so far recommend running the Death Arcana and I already am like "Death sucks actually"

[proven orbit]

I like cuddling pillars until eris just decides to hestia shot twice in 15 seconds

[turbid hull]

@flint tulip

[flint tulip]

You are a madam and a scholar!

[steel sequoia]

The most usefull tip i can give is farming Heroic what you want with Aromatic Phial, you pick it and than use the fountain after Hecate.

Fountains restore +20% Life. The next makes 1 random Common Boon of yours Heroic.

also good to make artemis Pressure Points Heroic

[proven orbit]

Honestly if you gonna blastmax pick the sprint, you can do 700+ damage every ~2 seconds anyway

[civic ocean]

The sprint is very unwieldy is the problem

[proven orbit]

Takes a little bit of getting used to, I'd admit

[turbid hull]

Fyi, Common Attack and Special are respectively 12 and 20 sec.
Each rarity cuts the time by 2 sec (e.g. Rares are 10 / 18, Epics are 8 / 16, Heroics are 6 / 14).
First upgrade cuts the time by 2 sec, and then all following upgrades cut the time by 1 sec, until it stops at the 2 Sec cap.

[proven orbit]

But since dodging is needed in most fights you can extend those for the burst

[sour cape]

Also you cant regen mana during sprint

[proven orbit]

Also the area at which sprint blast hits is deceptively large

[civic ocean]

the best patch for this game ever has 2 things in it

-you now regen mana all the time

-the bats pause the timer

[dim storm]

does anyone know if Hook Knives and Dancing Knives is an anti-synergy? I can't really tell what's going on when I toss them out

[proven orbit]

Yes, hook knives and bounces don't mix

[knotty fulcrum]

I remember having them both but hook knives was still working. idk about dancing knives tho

[civic ocean]

IIRC they are sooooort of an anti-synergy, I think they bounce to enemies and then return to you? So it creates a weird arc

[dim storm]

yeah its total visual chaos lol

[civic ocean]

both are very powerful if you just get super close tho\

[slate pecan]

so they bounce first then return to you, therefore they don't deal damage twice to most (if not all) enemies

[civic ocean]

They should in theory deal damage twice to the bounced-to enemies

[slate pecan]

also they don't pierce them so i think there's no dealing dmg to multiple targets at once. visual chaos might be caused by poseidon

at first i thought it's bugged but i realised it's just poseidon special's effect when they bounce at an angle, it looks like a single projectile splits into many but it doesn't, the waves just create this illusion

[slate pecan]

i'm not exactly sure about this one

in theory probably yes but in practice probably not

[civic ocean]

you might be right about the bounce not piercing enough for the return knife to deal dmg I don't have as much exp with the interaction

[thorny widget]

Does Hestia's sprint feel inconsistent to anyone? Sometimes Eris' bullets hit me even though I've been sprinting around for a few seconds

[civic ocean]

I can't prove it but I think it doesn't work for certain parts of your turning animation

[dim storm]

I've felt that as well

[proven orbit]

I was suspecting rather bullet velocity being so high that sometimes it clips through boon's small range

Partially because there was one time when a hestia shot went straight through melinoe dealing no damage

Not an exhaustive evidence on its own (especially without video footage), but some food for thought indeed

[eager ivy]

best gods for pan?

[tame fern]

Poseidon special is a natural fit, but if you get hammers that increase base damage, percent increases can be better

For example I think hook blades won't pop poseidon waves twice on return

[peak laurel]

Poseidon's special, Zeus's chain lightning (with enough magick/regen). Hera's regen as usual is the best one you could get.

If you fail to get Poseidon's special, Zeus's blitz is also a fine pick. Other than that, maybe even Hera's special since she has the highest % damage increase aside from Aphrodite. Some people also like Hera's cast since it sticks around much longer, but I personally feel like it's too long and enemies would either be dead or moved out about halfway through.

[sour cape]

That would be soo nice, why dont bats pause 💀

Also time slow not slowing down game time 😭

[peak laurel]

I've been using both and I haven't noticed this, possibly because I'm dumb

[civic ocean]

I think they should keep the time slow not affecting the timer - it makes speedrunning need to include judicious use of Sorceress

[steel sequoia]

i dont like hera cast

and i think the dem boon that follows you its so dumb, basically do nothing good

[sour cape]

Hmmm thats true but it punishes some weapons like Artemis more 😭

Oh well cant make everyobe happy

[civic ocean]

On Charon it is just 30% more cast damage

[lusty heron]

does artemis blades counter vow of suffering ?

[sour cape]

I think you need to actually take dmg so no

[steel sequoia]

dont think you need that you will have to walk to mobs to work

[merry flint]

first time you take damage

[civic ocean]

In order for Vow of Suffering to be satisfied you must take damage from an enemy IIRC

[lusty heron]

kk

[merry flint]

so armor works but not invuln or healing

[sour cape]

Yea 😭

[civic ocean]

So like running into the thorns in Fields also doesn't work IIRC

[sour cape]

I think it does

the Oceanus steam counts

[civic ocean]

Oh dope

[sour cape]

Cos you taking dmg

[peak laurel]

It's a trade-off, you don't trap enemies as well anymore but it works on Than's axe

[civic ocean]

the pro play is to light the ground on fire on the ship/vs eris and take 3

[sour cape]

Good for Charon if never omega cast lol

[steel sequoia]

charon axe u meant?

[lusty heron]

unless you wanna chain omega attack upgrading aspect fo artemis seems not that impactful ?

[civic ocean]

It's also good with Lightning Lance/Glowing Goal/Hades skull thinger

[steel sequoia]

i dont like since you have to get close to mobs, the charon aspect usually you precast on the floor go away and slam your special on them

[civic ocean]

Since I believe it doesn't stick to you then

[steel sequoia]

you dont need to be dodging stuff

[sour cape]

Usually you want to be chaining omega attacks though

[lusty heron]

ah ok

[merry flint]

what does upgrading artemis do

[peak laurel]

Isn't the strat with Charon to lay it down and slam it from halfway across the map to make it explode? Whereas Than's axe wants you to beyblade and smack everything close enough to you?

[steel sequoia]

the only reason for me to get that is the artemis boon that ur attacks have critical chance when in your cast tbh

[sour cape]

Increases Omega attack channel speed

[civic ocean]

reduces charge time iirc

[merry flint]

ah that explains everything

[sour cape]

Yea makes it faster to Omega attack

[merry flint]

yeah you'd want that to quickly close the gap after a parry good weapon

[steel sequoia]

idk, doesnt feel good for me or idk how to play than

[sour cape]

and can unload your omega attacks faster

[civic ocean]

Than can do pretty well with local climate too because a critting omega cast with local climate is like a billion damage and if you're taking the other cast boons from Demeter you basically have a freezing, slowing, origination-proccing bomb that can follow you around while you spin or cut stuff up

[peak laurel]

Zeus's cast triggers the crit increase so get that for sure

[sour cape]

It seems to me best way is spamming Omega since Riposte gives inc crit to next 9 hits and the Omega is the hardest single hitting attack

[civic ocean]

Either you play around the spin with Hera + Demeter to get coarse grit going so you don't die

Or you go Zeus Omega Cast and just play for humongus cast dmg

[peak laurel]

That's f'd up, I'm gonna have to try this

[sour cape]

You can still do Zeus-Hera-Demeter for cast which is nice

[steel sequoia]

i feel its better to have that zeus throwing cast than a following cast

[peak laurel]

I haven't tried this, but I'm guessing Apollo's cast doesn't proc Than's axe?

[sour cape]

And not losing much since crit and air quality dont really have good synergy

[bleak night]

it should

[steel sequoia]

i feel it procs

[civic ocean]

Yeah I wouldn't recommend Local Climate as like a must-have on Than

It's much better on Charon

[spare kite]

Should only proc with the initial explosion no?

[sour cape]

Does start using a lotta magick

[bleak night]

might need to do testing, it's not a build I particularly go for

[civic ocean]

Solar Ring is included in almost everything else Storm Ring is, so idk why it wouldn't scale crit on Than

[sour cape]

Does solar ring continue to slow while its going off?

[civic ocean]

AFAIK yes

[sour cape]

Does it continue to expand with Apollo cast buff?

[civic ocean]

AFAIK no

[sour cape]

hard to say

idk

[steel sequoia]

from what ive tested the best casts for charon are apollo>zeus>pos

[sour cape]

Zeus kinda non synergy

unless wanna do long Storm cast

[steel sequoia]

yeah but the burst still works, somehow like pos

[civic ocean]

Zeus synergizes with a different part of Charon than Apollo or Poseidon does

[sour cape]

Yea more time is more mana efficient

[steel sequoia]

im assuming you are spamming the cast+special

[thorny widget]

I unlocked Momus and upgraded it a few times, and its buff to Specials feels... too strong? Like, the quick ranged attack now does more damage than the slower melee attack?

[bleak night]

yeah, pretty much

[sour cape]

just the way Momus is

[steel sequoia]

u have the other buffs from zeus, tho is not optimal but its better than having another useless cast

[merry flint]

welcome to momus

now grab poseidon special and wreck house

[civic ocean]

Storm Ring won't do anything if you pop the cast with the special

Storm Ring is good on Charon because the manual omega cast lasts for an additional 3 seconds which can be like hundreds of damage

[sour cape]

Unless you need to reposition the ring

[civic ocean]

Yeah just be good at positioning the ring

[sour cape]

Wish there was a way to manually detonate omega cast early

[steel sequoia]

i am good, precasting is awesome

i like with hera special so you terminate everything quick

[merry flint]

i wish we could reposition casts faster

[thorny widget]

Why Poseidon and not a %increase like Aphrodite, Demeter, or Apollo?

[sour cape]

Also problem with Hera thst it last too long sometime

[steel sequoia]

tho im avoiding using zeus+hera due to past suffering

[civic ocean]

If you manually cast Omega Special with Charon your Special no longer detonates it

[sour cape]

Yea

[merry flint]

flat damage buffs for a low damage hit but high dps weapon better

also poseidon legendary is 150% damage boost vs bosses on top of the requirements proccing origination for another 50%

[sour cape]

Poseidon adds aoe and breaks 2 shields

[civic ocean]

But for the fights where storm ring Charon really shines (Sirens, Poly, Cerb, Chronos) the cast being out of position isn't that much of an issue compared to the dmg

[thorny widget]

Thanks, that makes sense

[sour cape]

and flat dmg is harder to get than % dmg

[merry flint]

and grab double moonshot if you can

[sour cape]

since at base, Poseidon is lower dmg inc than Aphro since Momus special deals so much base dmg

But you can get % dmg a lot easier

[steel sequoia]

chaos usually gives % dmg right?

[sour cape]

Yea and like Origination is % dmg

And Furies

[turbid hull]

for now

[merry flint]

that's ominous

[civic ocean]

Choco you can't be doin this

Too ominous

[sour cape]

And Huntress

[turbid hull]

[spice ibex]

Somebody give me his favourite build to do rn ( axe , sister blades or skull pls )

[rain hazel]

For death warrant, does the "time between marks" start once the mark ends of after placing it?

[civic ocean]

Start IIRC

[steel sequoia]

charon with apollo and demeter duo

[sour cape]

Hmmmmm wouldnt you want Than then for those fights since crit storm 😎

[turbid hull]

idk I barely play the game I only datamine

[steel sequoia]

i blasted chronos p2 with 3 casts

[spice ibex]

lmao

[civic ocean]

You could do either one

[sour cape]

Hmmm or Persephone?

[bleak night]

what weapon are you doing it on

[steel sequoia]

has to be charon

or persephone but idk how it works since ive never used it

[sour cape]

Persephone skull, Than and Charon Axe seem to be the Cast aspects

[spice ibex]

why persephone aspect doesn't work at all ???

[civic ocean]

Mel Staff too

[sour cape]

Mel staff for faster cast?

[merry flint]

yeah that's how it works

[civic ocean]

It works but the gauge needs 500 damage to move 10%

[steel sequoia]

mel staff is so ehhhh, you lose dmg while casting imo

[spice ibex]

Does it move permenantly ?

[sour cape]

Is Than the highest cast dmg?

[steel sequoia]

charon and persephone should have higher dps

[sour cape]

Why lose dmg 😭😭

[civic ocean]

It is a lot - it's a very nice boss fight tool but you uave to sort of save it sometimes

[steel sequoia]

you have to spam cast and it takes time

[sour cape]

Charon only higher dps with Apollo I think

[spice ibex]

?

[civic ocean]

No

[steel sequoia]

like charging cast special takes the time you can increase your dps with charon and pers

[civic ocean]

The gauge empties whenever you use omega special

[steel sequoia]

yeah, thats why you go for the duo with dem

[sour cape]

Mel charges pretty fast

[spice ibex]

oh , so what's the use if you are spamming omega special

[rain hazel]

Does fear increase boon rarity>

[spice ibex]

No

[sour cape]

Not much use unfort

[bleak night]

true

[spice ibex]

So what's the typicall way to use that aspect

[civic ocean]

It does not "slightly improve the special once" it gives you 5 seconds of invulnerability and deals thousands of damage if you build right

[sour cape]

I use it for spamming Zeus cast and then boss fight use special for tons of dmg

[merry flint]

you know i was watchign hades 1 persephone scenes earlier

[bleak night]

there's also a bit of a tech to Short-cancel it so you can take control of it instantly rather than lose control until the end of the original dash

[merry flint]

you know the 10th victory where she gets back on the boat?

imagine instead of that she fought her way back down with Revaal that would be funny i think

[steel sequoia]

i believe you can get the same cast speed with persephone than mels so you can pretty much do the same thing with more dmg. the same for charon i guess

[fiery heron]

Yoooo hi chat

[steel sequoia]

since you have to wait the apollo cast anyways

[sour cape]

Really how?

[bleak night]

[sour cape]

Well no, Mel would be using Zeus probably

[steel sequoia]

theres chaos and hermes special speed incresae

[fiery heron]

Honestly? Funnest hades 2 build? Lim and oros, poseidon special

[bleak night]

tbh just start running Geyser Ring on Persephone

[sour cape]

Why Geyser ring?

[civic ocean]

The channel speed being faster makes Mel Staff much safer, essentially

[steel sequoia]

im specifically talking about: Torrential Downpour
Each time you use your Ω Cast in an Encounter, it gets stronger but also uses +5 Magick. Damage per Omega Cast: +20%

[sour cape]

Cast already is pretty safe specially with ranged

[civic ocean]

Yes but sometimes you don't get ranged

[bleak night]

nvm I'm just cookin ig

[sour cape]

True then Mel staff is nice

[steel sequoia]

play charon downpour and you will understand me

[fiery heron]

Me unironically using my calculator to calculate damage differences with different boons:

[sour cape]

Im often skipping Demeter for Hera

[steel sequoia]

u have to wait the cast to end anyways you cant spam it on top of another

[bleak night]

Downpour is the Apollo-Dem thing ?

[sour cape]

Yea Apollo-Dem

[merry flint]

already did that

[fiery heron]

I continue to do that

[bleak night]

kinda disgusting that it just stacks endlessly with no real detriment to mana costs

[steel sequoia]

thats the fun

[fiery heron]

Building up the poseidon keepsake so I can get that sweet sweet heroic special with the rarify

[sour cape]

Maybe could do Hestia-Apollo-Dem

[steel sequoia]

but you cant spam like 500 apollos in a run

[fiery heron]

“Damn. This doin numbers”

[fiery heron]

God I wish

[merry flint]

ngl i want to do the trial of haste build but with Born Gain instead of Fluid Gain

its actually kinda decent at spamming omega attack the problem is mana

[sour cape]

Zeus-Apollo-Dem with Chaos mana or wheel is infinite power 👀👀

[steel sequoia]

wish you could trial of haste my run, the only trial i cant finish lmao

[fiery heron]

Axe with apollo on attack is super fun too. Poke em from across thw arena

[bleak night]

Charon with Sudden Cleaver + Lavender Dress is funni https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1244304526266073259/Charon_fight_no_damage.mp4?ex=66554925&is=6653f7a5&hm=7d68da9a5355e3b6135ef640426d1576a576f5663ad150e4e5f9df9c7f0cc24d&

[steel sequoia]

if you have no time limit it could be funny

[bleak night]

no audio btw, my capture just decided to not have any

[sour cape]

Why no time limit?

[steel sequoia]

tho i dont see how you can make chronos dodge all the casts

[sour cape]

It deals dmg fast 👀👀

[steel sequoia]

did you really understand torrential downpour?

"Each time you use your Ω Cast in an Encounter, it gets stronger" means the more you use the more is stronger

[turbid hull]

(e.g. it gets reset when you finish the encounter)

[steel sequoia]

yup, but u can kill chronos in 2-3 casts i believe

p2 chronos

maybe one cast with persephone, idk never tried

[sour cape]

Yea but just a couple stacks is enough dmg anyways

[steel sequoia]

sure but you cant spam solar ring that fast

[sour cape]

its all additive so gets less valuable the more you got

[glacial python]

I posted this on the general discussion forum but I guess It makes more sense here but a thing that would be cool is that you could cancel your sprint into the dash attack. Like if you are holding sprint button and you press attack, instead of just attacking you keep the momentum and use the dash attack. That extra range would give it more mobility without losing the sprint uniqueness.

[sour cape]

Hmmm might be better off with just Air Quality then

that way dont need high rarity Apollo boon

[civic ocean]

Isn't this how it works

[proven orbit]

That's how it works on the very least axe

And I suspect staff is same story

[civic ocean]

I believe that is just how it works on the 3 weapons that actually have dash attacks

[sour cape]

How bout Dagger?

[proven orbit]

Honestly I don't recall what dagger dashstrike even looks like

Staff and axe have very distinct ones in comparison

[steel sequoia]

protip for rarity problems, pick the boon first and use fountain, profit: Aromatic Phial
Fountains restore +20% Life. The next makes 1 random Common Boon of yours Heroic.
From Narcissus

[glacial python]

I don't think it is? I tried it a couple of times and it feels diferent but maybe I'm tripping lol

[civic ocean]

all I know about the Blades dash is that if I do it right it deals 90 to the Hecate witches and that's more hp than they have

[bleak night]

my brain somehow isn't working well with the Blades

[proven orbit]

In fact I have the opposite problem: I want to do a regular axe attack but it's a dashstrike even if I release sprint for half a second

[bleak night]

I can make Artemis work because it's still quite good as a melee playstyle

[mystic bison]

Boundless Flurry is the best Pan hammer

[sour cape]

I like the backstab Pan hammer

[bleak night]

I wanna try labbing Blades now

[mystic bison]

There are many good hammers but Boundless Flurry is just the best

66% mana usage reduction and faster channel

Just too good

[bleak night]

what are the chances I find some really weird tech when I lab this weapon

[steel sequoia]

we talked about that earlier

[bleak night]

like I did with Axe

[civic ocean]

high probably

[bleak night]

...I already did

[proven orbit]

100%

[civic ocean]

what's the tech

[bleak night]

like, within 10 seconds