h2-builds-and-combat

[tall notch]

AQ scorch is so consistent that I managed to set it up maybe 3 times across 580 runs

[civic ocean]

Based

[strange kite]

[sour cape]

How do you even apply Scoech?

[strange kite]

cast

[sour cape]

but its taken up by Zeus cast

[civic ocean]

I think I'm at like 70% rate now of getting it up? 95% if you don't count me dying in erebus and oceanus

[strange kite]

cast is the best way to apply scorch imo if ur doing damage

[quaint dawn]

were you trying for it though? seems like it shouldn't be that hard

[sour cape]

But you prob need to take Zeus cast

[turbid hull]

Air Quality is 5 yes. and it can only spawn if you have 2 Air or more

[bleak night]

Are you actually playing that much air fryer?

[sour cape]

So your build isnt just brick if no AQ

[civic ocean]

Yeah ofc

[tall notch]

Getting 5 air, getting Hestia and then getting the boon is a steeper requirement than most (if not all) duos

[bleak night]

Damn, you're really into it

[strange kite]

i have a 100% rate of getting poseidon special except when i dont. and like a 95% rate of getting it in erebus

[sour cape]

Hestia could be subbed for Demeter I guess

[strange kite]

yes rng hated me sometimes

[sour cape]

Cyclone pretty good too 💀

[tall notch]

But then it's not air fryer anymore

[civic ocean]

Congrats the broken build is broken

If I give you a cookie will you stop taking dumps on other builds

[cloud scarab]

I use my rerolls for hera magic boon 😅

[turbid hull]

Is Air Quality the only Infusion that requires two of the target element to start spawning?

[bleak night]

Freeze dryer

[strange kite]

i also have a 100% rate of getting hera attack or aphro attack on axe once i got the keepsake

[civic ocean]

Coarse grit?

[turbid hull]

needs 1

[steel sequoia]

i usually reroll for hammers and i never get what i want

[bleak night]

Classic tbf

[turbid hull]

Coarse Grit is Demeter right?

[steel sequoia]

hammers should be a reroll boon tbh

[strange kite]

yeah i think so

[tall notch]

All attack hammers room 1 is a certified Pan classic

[bleak night]

Yep

[civic ocean]

Okay bet

What is the completion rate that I have to get with air fryer for chat to be convinced it's consistent

[turbid hull]

Then yeah it's only 1 Earth required

[strange kite]

idk why but demeter is just the best defensive support god ever in non antler runs

[sour cape]

Hmmm i say 75%

[tired fulcrum]

Make the reroll awakening let you reroll hammers

[tall notch]

It needs to be a 1 boon build

[civic ocean]

75%? Over how many runs

[sour cape]

Uhhhh idk, 10

[civic ocean]

So 8 out of 10

[sour cape]

id be convinced anyways yea

[turbid hull]

Except for like, Hermes who needs 1 of each element to start spawning, and 2 of each element to be activated

[sour cape]

Would also count Demeter cyclone stead of Scorch too

[tired fulcrum]

Even if you get it isnt it usually by late fields or tart

[sour cape]

if can achieve AQ + Scorch/Cyclone

[civic ocean]

So?

[bleak night]

I gotta try that build out soon if you're willing to play it 10 runs in a row to prove a point lol

[sour cape]

I guess you can play Zeus cast until then

Blitz kinda sucks

[steel sequoia]

i have 100hs could never make an usefull AQ build

[sour cape]

as main dmg

[steel sequoia]

its situational, and need heavy investment

[civic ocean]

I mean I will just play 10 runs of Zeus Persephone with forsaking on and it will be pretty easy I think?

[strange kite]

its fine if its online in late fields or end of tart as long as u dont screw urself before then. which is why i dont like it because taking hestia zeus sounds like a good way to screw urself before its online

[tired fulcrum]

Like even for things that arent momus or pan id just rather go for a duo build

[steel sequoia]

just made a blitz pan and worked

[sour cape]

go for it!!

[blissful wren]

which ones AQ

[tired fulcrum]

Zeus infusion

[strange kite]

like if aq scorch was something u could build into naturally the same way coarse grit doesnt require going out of ur way much at all id be a bigger fan

[sour cape]

I think Zeus cast spam should be fine

[strange kite]

and i do think coarse grit is good

[blissful wren]

still not ringing any bells

[bleak night]

I mean in terms of general enjoyment. I have a hard time gunning for the same build again and again and not want variations of some sort, even for the 3rd god

[sour cape]

But you need mana 😭

[steel sequoia]

think you are arguing this bc of my run? lol https://postimg.cc/njZJJFxh

[civic ocean]

I mean I just want to see how far capt will goalpost me when I post the 8 for 10

[sour cape]

Honestly what if you just do Unseen for this cast Build?

[turbid hull]

[sour cape]

Cos you need to be picking lots of Zeus

[tall notch]

Passion dash start Eos can build into it naturally

[strange kite]

i never set that foal for u

[civic ocean]

Like I know it works

[bleak night]

Ah, carry on

[civic ocean]

Ah that saves me time

[spare kite]

This was my air fryer build actually lmfao

[strange kite]

so dont bother unless u want to convince someone else

[turbid hull]

aight no more hades II for me tonight, I need to do something else. Bye have fun!

[bleak night]

Take care~

[tired fulcrum]

Wouldnt you rather just go for heart throbs or weed killer with hera tho

[sour cape]

Freeze Dryer build

Actually woudl Air quality + Demeter cast + Demeter Cyclone

[civic ocean]

Yes

[sour cape]

be better than Scorch + Zeus?

[steel sequoia]

i dont think AQ is busted tbh, also took me long enough to build too

[tall notch]

Actually it depends on room 3 god. If I'm getting natural Hestia there, it's AQ time. If not, I won't be forcing it

[bleak night]

I did this on a sprint damage-only run and I wanted to press Give Up about 4x that run

[strange kite]

i guess that makes sense

[sour cape]

Yikes

[strange kite]

if u get the 3rd god naturally early on ur much better off

than trying to force 3 gods

which is big gamba

[tall notch]

It also has the upside of getting my origination online for Erebus if it does show up so it's not completely useless

[sour cape]

I guess most consistent is still Momus Poseidob 😭😭

[strange kite]

yeah i like erebus hestia for that

[steel sequoia]

3 goods is fine if you use the -2 boons fear.

[sour cape]

Why does Momus only need Poseidon special smh

[strange kite]

poseidon hera hestia isnt my go to but im happy with it

[civic ocean]

We're literally in a Chronos time loop:

-people come in here and say Scorch sucks

-people point out the AQ interaction as a way to make it work at 32

-it immediately gets compared to the SSS tier builds in the game

-people eventually admit that they guess Hestia isn't that bad

[strange kite]

woah im not convinced by scorch

im convinced by ranged cast + curse on cast

[sour cape]

Im not convinced its consistent to get

[tired fulcrum]

Nah scorch sucks

[steel sequoia]

i prefer hes+pos duo tbh

[tall notch]

1000 dps too bad

[steel sequoia]

easier to make and steam is good

[strange kite]

oh yeah steam

[tired fulcrum]

Maybe i shouldnt of f10'd funeral pyre bug

[bleak night]

I just think scorch would be better if it just replaced Hangover and carried over its properties

[strange kite]

why tf is it not a curse like come on

i had to skip it because i dont want to screw over my origination

[quaint dawn]

-people eventually admit that they guess Hestia isn't that bad```
you can probably beat the game with anything if you're patient enough. isn't the point the ease, speed and consistency

[spare kite]

Can't wait for the cyclone slow to also not be counted as a curse anymore

[strange kite]

doood dont jinx it

[heady solar]

wait people think hestias boons are bad?

[civic ocean]

what would you consider a "consistent" 32 fear win %

[bleak night]

People just find scorch to be underwhelming

[tired fulcrum]

Actually if steam counted for origination thatd be almost 190 dps aka air quality scorch with 10x less effort

[strange kite]

BASED sick awesome make it happen

[steel sequoia]

i think they should fix scorch to work like blitz, and make a new boon to hestia to substitute that

[strange kite]

i want to have poseidon hera hestia be a thing

i mean it is but i want it to be even better

[tired fulcrum]

Though tbh you can already make steam work with like apollo or pash dash

But its also annoying

[quaint dawn]

close to 100% i guess

[sour cape]

50% I say

[tired fulcrum]

100% tbh

[sour cape]

😭

100% sounds too much 🤔

Because sometimes you wont even get AQ

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah thats the point

[civic ocean]

So if I'm understand you correctly, you could take a group of high level players here, make them play 32 Fear rotating weps and they would be able to win 5-20 runs in a row, 100% of the time?

[sour cape]

Yea id say 50% is fair counting resets

and like missing your boons and bricked build

[tall notch]

Expecting 100% consistency might be a bit harsh, we weren't hating on Merciful End because sometimes it didn't want to assemble itself

[steel sequoia]

posted on feedback saying scorch should be like blitz dmg

[tall notch]

And half-baked ME setups were unplayable

[sour cape]

and then you stuck with junk Ares attack 💀

[strange kite]

i mean it’s a matter of “does going for the build mean ur gonna if u dont get it vs how likely are u to get it”

[steel sequoia]

the only real consistency is pan + pos + 2moonshot

[tall notch]

I got 100% winrate with double moonshot on pan

[strange kite]

if ur very likely to get it then its fine if u lose if u dont get it. if ur not likely to get it then the run should still be a win if u dont

[tired fulcrum]

thats literally what 50 heat, half baked set ups and ppl still do em. Good players can definitely win 32 heat in h1 99%-100% of the time

[quaint dawn]

With those conditions if it weren't close to 100% i would just say it's not consistent. I don't get what the point of "consistent" would be if that's not it

[strange kite]

WOAH double moonshot pan gimme that hammer

[tired fulcrum]

32 heat with a common doom attack pommed up a bit and ddash is very doable imo

[civic ocean]

The point is that 32 Fear is very, very hard and even "free" builds lose - like I bet the overall player pop winrate for 32 Fear Poseidon Momus is like sub-70%

[sour cape]

Prob lower 😭

[strange kite]

poseidon momus isnt thaaat consistently free

[sour cape]

32 fear is hard

[civic ocean]

Then why would we hold other builds to 100% consistency

[strange kite]

it’s got hammer rng issues

[tall notch]

It becomes free when you get that hammer in Erebus

[tired fulcrum]

Actually lemme do that, havent played sword in a while

[steel sequoia]

im having rough times on 16 fear, ill have to do 20 soon, dont think ill make 32 ever lmao

[astral edge]

I imagine they'll add more vows in the future, tbh
then the added variety will make 32 more consistent

[sour cape]

32 fear you gotta take so much junk 💀

[strange kite]

yes. which is why its not consistently free. i still count it as consistent because its still good enough to win without hammer

[tall notch]

I was so terrible with the sword, struggled to win with it above 20 heat unless I got an assembled ME setup or something just as insane

[sour cape]

Merciless end is really poor if no Merciless end

cos coulda taken any attack besides Ares

[tall notch]

Sword and spear were the two weapons I never completed 40 heat with

[strange kite]

yeah i think i prefer builds that are less free but more consistently able to win over builds that are free but unable to win if not assembled

[sour cape]

AQ has Zeus Cast

[strange kite]

because i. HATE. LOSING. like fr i dont want to reset. i havent reset for a good run at all this game

[sour cape]

that seems way more usable than Ares attack

[bleak night]

Is Hunting Blades on Pos Sword not viable on 40 fear ?

[strange kite]

i only reset to unlock aspects

[mystic bison]

Losings sucks fr

[civic ocean]

woah woah hunting blades that's some WABS right there

[mystic bison]

I want to WIN

[tall notch]

It is but they're melee weapons and I am like bad with those

[bleak night]

WABS ?

[civic ocean]

Weapon
Agnostic
Boon
Stacking

[sour cape]

Well if you can consistently win with Zeus Omega cast start, dont see why AQ is bad

[civic ocean]

I guess we'll see!

[strange kite]

i guess? sure. if u can show me that zeus omega thana into aq scorch works consistently ill be on board

[red island]

For the axe, what god boons do y'all typically build from?

[sour cape]

yea would be interesting 🤔🤔

[random rover]

I like Demeter

[strange kite]

or aphro thana into zeus hestia aq scorch

whatever makes it work

[bleak night]

Hera-Dem, Apollo-Aphro or Aphro-Dem, usually

[civic ocean]

Than you'd start storm ring ofc but it's not very good on axe

[strange kite]

or on any weapon really

[civic ocean]

it's fine if you get thermal

[tall notch]

Passion Dash Eos into AQ can probably consistently deal with 32 fear but above that it's becoming super rng

[random rover]

Also, is Poseidon cast bugged? I'm not sure it's putting out the correct damage, but I also haven't tested it to make sure.

[sour cape]

Why Passion Dash?

[strange kite]

yeah if it works consistently on 32 im good with it

[civic ocean]

Yeah like what is consistent

[tall notch]

Because it's air and it's a very good start for Eos torches

[sour cape]

ohh

[bleak night]

Eos consistently dashes, so the weak application everywhere is good damage in conjunction with the returning attacks

[civic ocean]

If you can do it with forsaking at like 3 fear every time is that "consistent"

[astral edge]

demeter or aphro on attack work nicely

[sour cape]

above 50% WR i think should count as consistent at 32 fear

[civic ocean]

over how many games

because another thing we have to factor in is like player ability and familiarity

[sour cape]

Hmmm 10 games too 😂

[civic ocean]

There are multiple axis by which these things get measured which makes it all like super unclear

[sour cape]

achieve AQ combo 8/10 win 6/10

[civic ocean]

What I'd like to know is what are the "consistent" 32 fear setups that are achieving close to 100% winrate that don't involve Poseidon, Momus, or Pan - like someone is winning 100% of the time at 32 with Torches? With Axe? send me those builds!

[sour cape]

Not like amazing build but would consider quite good at that point

[strange kite]

mynt u win close to 100% with axe right? on 32

[bleak night]

You should try Luigi kill builds. They're quite consistent. Constistently trash, that is.

[bleak night]

Nah closer to like 80

[civic ocean]

Is anyone doing that content atm, like consistent/winstreaking at 32

[strange kite]

buff axe plz

[spare laurel]

Does the aspect of persephone enhance the damage of every omega attack? casts and attacks as well, not just the special? Reading the description kinda gave me the feeling it was only for the special but now I'm not so sure

[bleak night]

I am also 0 wins and 47 losses in 49 Fear axe

[civic ocean]

yes!

[spare laurel]

Oh....Oh.

I see, I had the wrong idea

[strange kite]

uh maybe? im sure it’ll be a thing sooner or later.

it was a thing in hades 1 yeah?

[civic ocean]

I mean I know it's gonna be a thing because I am going to do it

But like is anyone else doing it atm

[split igloo]

Whoever is achieving this is fully on a different planet

[random rover]

I think you'd have to make a spread of people that pass 32 at all, separate those by average win rates (let's say into deciles) then establish the deviation caused by specific builds to get any actual useful data on the efficacy of any one build, and that's more stats work than I'd ever like to do again in my life, tbh.

[strange kite]

ill join u. but not every weapon. and im not that skilled. im quite good at throwing a won run on kronos

[civic ocean]

I think it's just like impossible to actually prove and I'm just gonna keep trying to win at 32 as often as I can rotating through weps and aspects I think?

The only thing that is like ugh about this atm is no loadouts

[strange kite]

i dont event have every weapon leveled

[split igloo]

^^^^ manually setting arcana cards is so so unintuitive right now

[civic ocean]

and fear

[bleak night]

I'm 28-5 on 32+ Fear Axe not counting the 49 fear attempts for practice, so not bad actually

[civic ocean]

see this is the thing like

[strange kite]

i think ill stick to running pan because pan is great and i love pan

[random rover]

I expect arcana UI will get a large overhaul at sme point.

[civic ocean]

why cut off the 49, what was the deciding factor

[split igloo]

This is terrifying

[bleak night]

I need loadouts more than the arcana UI

[random rover]

I would expect that to be part of updating the arcana UI

[strange kite]

arcana ui is dumb fr fr

[bleak night]

All fear nodes save the timer so I can hone my mechanics on the weapon

[split igloo]

@bleak night what are you even running for that

[strange kite]

jesus ur running arcana off???

[bleak night]

For Mel and Than it's either Hera or Dem keepsake first, then do the other unchosen one in Oceanus. I only ran Charon once in 32+

[bleak night]

Yeah, I consistently reach Oceanus now, my farthest point is Cerb

[split igloo]

@bleak night you're a modern day hero

[random rover]

Dem sprint to start is pretty good. Lets you break armor easily without committing.

[bleak night]

Nah my weapon is just turbo ass in high Fear, so training mechanics with no timer allows me to practice with no pressure

[split igloo]

Wait wait. So you have enemy movement speed turned all the way up against the axe?

[mystic bison]

All props to you mate but 49 fear would be a horrible experience for me I would not have fun at all

[bleak night]

Yes

I'm used to it already at this point

[split igloo]

That's absolute masochism

[bleak night]

Dem Cast helps

[bleak night]

I prefer +40% over blue hearts, honestly

Blue hearts make me hate myself in Erebus

[split igloo]

Blue hearts surely get clipped pretty easy by a sprint boon

[random rover]

Yeah, +40% you just get used to eventually. Blue hearts are murder without a quick way of getting rid of them.

[bleak night]

I don't get sprint boons on Axe unless nothing else on the board looks good anymore

[split igloo]

Id take one purely for the blue hearts I won't lie

[mystic bison]

2 blue hearts not that big of a problem on spin axe no?

[bleak night]

I prefer them off and just run enemy damage instead if I can help it

[strange kite]

2 blue hearts on axe seems like a real issue

[split igloo]

Spin axe is risky on high fear

[strange kite]

on poseidon builds its like who cares

but i still take speed first because it gives 3 whole ass heats each stage. and 20% is always on for my low heat runs cuz i dont want to play 0% anymore

[bleak night]

It depends on the type of enemy. Armoured ones with blue hearts are disgustingly annoying because I rely on staggering anything around me so I don't eat hits. The blue hearts make it take longer. Blue hearts on armourless enemies? Sure, fine, but I need to break through armour asap or I end up swinging from across my cast to whittle before it's safe for me to go in

It eats too much of the timer

[split igloo]

• the amount of damage you're taking on high fear if someone isn't staggered

[bleak night]

Yep

[strange kite]

im actually thinking now that for winstreaking i need to turn off onion

[bleak night]

If the game had the Hades 1 mechanic of being able to destroy projectiles, whirlwind spam would be disgustingly good, but rn that isn't the reality

So I have to play carefully as a result

[strange kite]

so probably more enemies or revenants or charon gold to 80%

[mystic bison]

A really annoying part about the blue hearts is that sometimes you can't tell if an enemy is an elite or not

[split igloo]

To be fair Hades 2 seems much more projectile heavy than Hades 1. So projectile destroy would be a little obnoxious

[strange kite]

yeah it makes it less obvious but i think the skull says it?

[bleak night]

There should be a skull next to the lifebar

[bleak night]

Idk, I think it should be retained somehow

[split igloo]

Maybe a specific boon or something or an aspect

[bleak night]

Just having none makes it quite painful on melee weapons, maybe make it specifically to melee attacks

[strange kite]

if theres one thing ill never take that’s gotta be hard labour

i hate hard labour so much

[split igloo]

Id take it all over em4

[mystic bison]

Blue hearts gotta be one of my most hated vows along with more enemies and more hp

[bleak night]

I haven't mastered EM4 yet lol

[split igloo]

More enemies seems like free fear to me personally

[bleak night]

I still lose about 2 dds to Hades Phase 3

[split igloo]

I think I've done em4 twice ever

[spare kite]

I only do em4 high heat if I want the challenge

[celest swallow]

Every iteration of the blue heart style challenge mode in every SGG game, my beloathed

[mystic bison]

Tbh that's the top 3

• 1 more hp
• 2 more enemies
• 3 blue hearts

[strange kite]

more hp is free

[mystic bison]

Nah it's hell

[split igloo]

More hp and more enemies are both free

[spare kite]

Phrases that would kill an hades 1 high heat player

[strange kite]

dood why would u rather get 1 shotted by kronos over just having 76% damage

[mystic bison]

Can't get oneshot if you don't get hit

[spare kite]

tbf td3 is more meta in H1, so you don't wanna deal with timer consuming stuff

[strange kite]

well enjoy ur no hit run while i spam omega in kronos’s face i guess

[bleak night]

Speaking of getting oneshotted, try 49 fear no timer. The lurkers do 72-75 damage to your 30 HP pool, it's kinda hilarious to die from full HP and get sent home.

[mystic bison]

I'd rather risk get oneshot rather than fighting Kronos for 5 minutes and still risk dying from 5 hits

[split igloo]

No thank you God bless

[bleak night]

[sour cape]

Whats wrong with EM4?

[strange kite]

ur only doing 24% less damage

em4 is very hard

[split igloo]

The least serious question

[mystic bison]

That's more time to make mistakes

[bleak night]

Extra phase on final boss with the lights dimmed

[strange kite]

em3 is free but 4 is a big step up

[mystic bison]

Every damage you lose is more time to make mistakes

[spare kite]

Time consuming, rng with summons, harder in general

[split igloo]

The gap from em Theseus to em Hades is literally an absolute chasm lmao

[strange kite]

if ur spending 30s in phase 2 before now u have to spend a whole 39 seconds

[spare kite]

Most weapons get bullied by B.ball/sneak combos and variations

[sour cape]

It do make Hades fight a lot more 💀💀

[civic ocean]

I used to do em4 fo2 max hp hades fights god that was fun

[sour cape]

but you get extra dialogue

[strange kite]

if u taking 1 minute in phase 2 before u now need 20s more to kill

do u see how free 30% hp is?

[sour cape]

"I... can... still... fight" scariest lines 💀💀

[mystic bison]

You don't understand, every extra second you are risking death

[bleak night]

What makes EM4 so bad for me is I'm used to Hades' attacks being a different colour vs the snowy white field of the battlrground, so when everything dims and he does move startups in the dark, I'm kind of a headless chicken trying to run around.

[strange kite]

but ur only risking death if ur on hard labour

[sour cape]

EM4 not worth the fear?

[civic ocean]

The pots in the dark are gg

[split igloo]

Extreme measures in Hades 1 was such bait because it really and truly didn't make a impact till Hades and then he became just an absolute megazord of pain and suffering

[strange kite]

kronos damage is extremely manageable if hard labour is off

[bleak night]

Try EM4 in Hades 1, it's tough

[sour cape]

Yea i never beat it, was really hard

[mystic bison]

I don't want to suffer through phase 2 any more than I have to, it's already a clusterf*ck on 40% speed

[spare kite]

I legit just turn up my brightness at phase 3

[split igloo]

I beat it twice and both times it wasn't worth the anguish and suffering

[civic ocean]

I got up to I think 27 hear each wep em4 only?

[strange kite]

even in the insane wombo combos ur not gonna die horribly to taking a clock hands hit or 3 slashes

[sour cape]

So poor value for heat?

[split igloo]

Very poor value for heat

[strange kite]

unless u have hard labour then even in 60s ur still gonna die.

[mystic bison]

Clock hand is brutal, scythe throw level

[split igloo]

You've lost me here

[sour cape]

Just dash over clock hand?

[mystic bison]

Clock hand hits extremely hard, just like the scythe throw

[strange kite]

it is brutal but its far more brutal with hard labour and ur still gonna have to deal with it even without 30% more hp

[civic ocean]

"Just don't get hit" true

[sour cape]

I mean Scythe comes out fast with no warning

[split igloo]

One of those things is an insanely fast projectile with a weird arc on a busy screen. The other is clock hand

[sour cape]

The clockhand is just on the floor lol 💀

[strange kite]

basically some combos feel undodgeable right? suck plus hands and bubbles plus regular combo

[mystic bison]

And that's what I'm saying, easier to not get hit if the fight is shorter

[split igloo]

If you're consistently eating clock hand I think the fear level is probably not your issue respectfully

[civic ocean]

Dominance is kinda free mostly due to how damage scaling works in builds in this game

[sour cape]

Do you take the extra dmg on first hit?

[strange kite]

the fight isnt shorter is the problem. if the fight was actually like 10s instead of 40s i would see ur point but the fight is gonna be like 30s instead of 40s

it’s only shorter by a small bit

[mystic bison]

On high fear yes

[civic ocean]

Idk I have like 12 32 clears and I get hit by that thing on 40% all the time

You gotta dodge the other stuff too!

[sour cape]

Dang thats crazy over higher hp?

[split igloo]

Also imo phase 1 chronos considerably harder than phase 2

[strange kite]

not true

[mystic bison]

Nope phase 2 is harder on 40% speed

[strange kite]

like actually objectively false

[split igloo]

I lobbed imo in here for a reason to be fair

[civic ocean]

It'll be diff for everyone

[sour cape]

I think phase 2 got the one shots makes it harder

[bleak night]

I have a generally harder time with phase 1 on Axe, but everything else deals with it easier

[strange kite]

proveable false

[sour cape]

Idk if its false though, its easier to dodge in phase 2

[split igloo]

Comrade what is harder for me isn't necessarily harder for you. That's why I said "in my opinion"

[sour cape]

But more punishing to get hit 😭😭

[strange kite]

ur comparing enrage to non enrage

[mystic bison]

Sure but on high fear Erebus is already the hardest part of the game and Dominance makes it much worse

[strange kite]

which doesnt make sense. phase 2 is easier before enrage

[bleak night]

Erebus would be less awful if the screaming banshees ceased to exist

[sour cape]

Why not Hippos?

[strange kite]

but phase 2 enrage is harder than phase 1 enrage and phase 2 not enrage is literally the same as phase 1 not enrage

[split igloo]

Banshees are obnoxious

[mystic bison]

Yeah phase 2 sub 50% hp is the hardest part of Kronos fight

[spare kite]

Trade them for hippos

[bleak night]

I don't really struggle with Hippos, oddly enough. I hate Banshees more

[civic ocean]

Blood is much worse than dominance imo the hard part in erebus is not getting clipped by banshees spinners caskets and hippos so like if a stray hippo shot deals 12 to ur ass it's brutal but 30% more hp when you catch them not too bad

[strange kite]

banshees are fine

[bleak night]

On your weapon ig

[strange kite]

because they run at me so i kill them in the cast.

[sour cape]

Yea I think dmg is harder than more hp

[strange kite]

hippos are literally pro league players

[celest swallow]

Banshees are either whatever or annoying as hell depending on weapon/aspect

[bleak night]

Odd, I just never have issues with Hippos unless it's me forgetting they detonate on death and I run into them by accident

[strange kite]

also ho up dont banshees do like 0 damage?

[sour cape]

Also taking the take 300% more dmg is really 💀💀

[civic ocean]

I forget the splash dmg on the projectiles a lot

[mystic bison]

Maybe I'll try it soon but I'm still firm on never ever enabling more % enemies

[tired fulcrum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1164101586138710037/1243326735890514042/image.png?ex=665111c1&is=664fc041&hm=4d52a43b60fe93fd560ba4585e491018b06d852e389dfe88813d91ce7dc29028& meh. game tried to give me epic doom attack so reversed it. havent played sword in almost a year so might've facetanked more than I shouldve

[bleak night]

I haven't had an issue with banshees until I started doing 49 runs and they kept outlasting my cast and running at me while I have no options but to swing

[sour cape]

More % enemy wasnt too bad for Axe

[mystic bison]

I take 100% not 300%

[sour cape]

Might be hard for Momus 💀💀

[bleak night]

By the time I make a new cast they're already in my face with their instant turn rates

[spare kite]

Reverciful end with a lack of ME

[tall notch]

Wp!

[mystic bison]

I feel like I've memorized the wave patterns so more % enemies messes with my expectations, not to mention the time sink

[tired fulcrum]

anyways 99% wr h1 at 32 heat is what I'd call consistent

td3 a lot harder in h2 tho

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927694753116614746/1243327879631339643/20240523232042_1.jpg?ex=665112d2&is=664fc152&hm=cbd2de3f9e79a59f5ebc7811fb628c7e60cb3d1e99aee8831728de0b25c1b5b5& guess which region I assembled AQ in 😭

[mystic bison]

Tartarus?

[tall notch]

Yes, got Zeus off the elite

[bleak night]

Which one was your 4th god ?

[tall notch]

Hestia, got Demeter & Zeus naturally in Erebus

[bleak night]

Oh, lol

[tall notch]

So I was kinda forcing AQ scorch setups into this run

[civic ocean]

So you like made it as hard as possible and still got it lmao

[mystic bison]

Man I gotta try Pan AQ scorch

[bleak night]

Wait so you went most of that run without an attack boon ?

[tall notch]

Tbf this might simply be my experience with Eos, this run would've been 1000 times easier if I just took something like Hera

[tall notch]

I got her attack somewhere in Oceanus

After forcing her in with a keepsake

[bleak night]

Ah, nvm

[civic ocean]

I think as soon as you go Demeter you shouldn't be thinking Air Fryer but it is funny that you still hit it

[ionic moon]

has anyone tried going zeus as your main attack for AQ scorch, then depending on thermal dynamics? bonus if you get apocalyptic storm. probably too many pieces to be consistent

[civic ocean]

Usually Zeus start is for Storm Ring so sometimes you lock yourself out of thermo if its up against attack and special

[mystic bison]

The omegas are already strong on Eos so even if you get the attack boon a lil later it's not a huge loss

If anything getting mana regen early is a more important dps increase imo

[civic ocean]

Idk like we agree that going Pink Aura on mel torches is fine right?

That's like 7 boons, the legendary of which has like hyper specific requirements

[tall notch]

I think we agree that Pink Aura is a meme lol

[civic ocean]

Oh so we don't agree

[ionic moon]

we're meming it into reality

[tall notch]

Early I was just letting passion dash carry me tbh, I didn't get mana regen until Tart

[bleak night]

People see it as a meme build, more of. The real pink aura that's viable is Aphro + Dem rather than Apollo

Less requirements and has good damage + defensive tools to dance around with orbs

[civic ocean]

Why do people see triple heartthrobs and double balls as a meme what

[ionic moon]

demeter just feels so good for close range builds

[bleak night]

Too much reqs is the meme part

[civic ocean]

Huh

[bleak night]

Apollo in general is kinda useless on it until you get the Legendary unless you somehow wanna spam the Attack button on it using Mel Torches

[civic ocean]

Hmmge

[bleak night]

You mostly build for Special out of the gate, and you can manage with less damage by going to a defensive god for support or another with a synergy from base boons rather than Leg + Duo

[signal robin]

is it just me or do the aspects suck, like the don’t change gameplay nearly enough like they did in hades 1

[tall notch]

TBH after all the testing and playing around and having fun, I'd put Air Fryer in meme build tier too. I can make it work, but with the amount of setup this required from me I could've had a much smoother run with other gods

[signal robin]

most of them*

[bleak night]

Some def do, but some change the playstyle quite well with the bonuses they bring. I'm 50/50 atm on aspects

[tired fulcrum]

H1 even ignoring hidden aspects had a lot more interesting ones

[tall notch]

I have at least one aspect per weapon I like, but some of them are a little boring yeah

[tired fulcrum]

We dont talk about zag sword or zag spear tho

[bleak night]

Eris and Hestia gun were fun aspects

[signal robin]

I agree with this, a lot of them are good but I feel like 70% of them are just barely glorified common boons

[tall notch]

The only Zag aspect I liked were fists

[ionic moon]

you never know, maybe the 4th aspect is the killer on some of these. imagine spear in H1 launching without achilles. just hades and guan yu

[tired fulcrum]

I also liked zag bow, and uh yeah that it

[bleak night]

Pretty much why I focus on the unique ones like the two Axes and Medea. Pan is also unique and ig Eos is something a lot of people are enjoying on Torches rn.

As for the staff, I feel like the unique one is the base one

The chargetime reduc makes it a hybrid omega build candidate

[viscid wave]

The medea aspect makes me feel extremely stupid 🤣 because it's almost certainly a me issue but i CANNOT figure out what the benefit is. It just seems to make everything feel, uh, Worse

[strange kite]

staff non momus looks so stupid i hate it

[steel sequoia]

i like torches but the special mode, i dont like eos playstyle to spam attack. rather have another weird special mode.

[bleak night]

Watch a speedrunner play it and it'll click in your mind, watching someone zip around with it and destroy groups is satisfying

[tired fulcrum]

https://youtu.be/S0mYpfNz1U8 speedrunners like it

[strange kite]

but im willing to give the base one a chance one day maybe once the aim bug is fixed

[steel sequoia]

i didnt liked skull playstyle too, forcing special is annoying

[tired fulcrum]

Also use huntress with vow of panic

[strange kite]

having the staff omega hit somewhere my mouse isnt is so dumb

[viscid wave]

Thank u medea speedrun squad 🤣

[strange kite]

like why does rhe cross hammer just make it off center? its so dumb

[viscid wave]

A lot of the time with this game I'm like "is this bad mechanic or bad gamer (me)?"

Usually it's probably me 🤣

[tired fulcrum]

Cant aim staff omega club 🤝

[bleak night]

Hopefully watching the speedrunner dart around with uncharged specials will make you find it fun on your attempts as well

[tall notch]

Trial of Haste was the ultimate staff omega aim training

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIw_nrtPowY now I think I got a good enough hang of it

[calm maple]

So Today I Learned that the awaken-conditions for 0-grip Arcana cards only apply pre-run.

Judgement doesn't awaken cards like Divinity, even if you activate all the cards in a row.

[strange kite]

omega staff aim isnt hard. omega staff aim when the aim is off center from ur mouse cursor in an unknown direction is actually worse than playing sorch melinoe torches without aq

[civic ocean]

That's right

[tall notch]

Surely it can't be worse than controller aim can it?

[calm maple]

which is kiiinda BS imo

[strange kite]

and the worst part? if ur fast channel u cant even see where ur aiming

[civic ocean]

Controller aim on the big style spam is kinda terrible

[civic ocean]

It also can't turn off stuff like queen right

[strange kite]

it just shoots somewhere other than ur cursor and its like why tf didnt it hit

because game bug thats why

omega attack is high key unplayable right now on staff

[viscid wave]

My excuse for why im consistently bad at this game is "well im on controller so it's harder!!!" They'll pry that from my cold dead (again) hands

[civic ocean]

I find controller considerably easier

[strange kite]

controller is easier

[calm maple]

probably. It activated Messenger after I beat Hecate, so now I've got Messenger and The Queen active at the same time

[strange kite]

because in this industry devs dont develop for mouse and keyboard half the time

or it gets overlooked completely

[tall notch]

The way I see it in this game is controller movement > m+k movement but m+k aiming > controller aiming so there's a tradeoff

[strange kite]

not actually true

controller auto aim is very good in hades

[calm maple]

I just thought I was being clever by activating Boatman, Origination, Excellence (and The Queen by default), leaving room for Judgement to activate The Fates, which I thought would awaken Divinity.

[strange kite]

also there so many small things that add up like kronos u dont see the cursor and u cant pause with mouse and keyboard without pressing esc

[tall notch]

Not everything has auto aim though, like the staff omega attack just straight up doesn't

Same for skull special and shield bull rush in hades 1

[strange kite]

yeah well staff just sucks in general i guess

hera bow was so much harder on mouse and keyboard

cuz the auto aim for mouse was atrociously small range

[timber pawn]

do we still like spin to win on than axe at 32?

[civic ocean]

This is true

[tall notch]

I don't like spin to win on Chronos period, I just can't do it 😭

[strange kite]

like it’s a soft aim assist but then controller auto aim is actual full aim bot

[civic ocean]

Needs hammers but yes I feel it has potential

[timber pawn]

I just did it with Apollo and it worked out nicely

[bleak night]

I still like it on 40

[timber pawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1243334256474853438/image.png?ex=665118c2&is=664fc742&hm=99d9f34c4027531d90a03abab80549ed7bf97bfb09cc5da56d15e769667302e6&

[bleak night]

Tf that's a fast clear

[strange kite]

once more i think psychic being a hammer rather than an aspect is criminal

[timber pawn]

furious whirlwind better than psychic imo, I also heroic'd the 'omega moves do x% more after dash' artemis boon lol

so that was 25%, and then Weed Killer, and that was it pretty much

[bleak night]

Great find

It counts the dash-Omega Attack whirl, so it's fun

[timber pawn]

thats what I assumed, which is basically the only way to approach with whirlwind imo

I'm technically on a two streak at 32 again, this time neither are momus

[civic ocean]

WR

[timber pawn]

kek

[bleak night]

I don't do 5min/area, so your run is pretty impressive

[timber pawn]

I've just been running 5 min timer on everything and it either works or doesn't lol, you end up with a smaller boon amount as you see in my win screenshots, but enemies are easier so...it kinda works out?

[tired fulcrum]

Isnt there some weird silver streak bug where it stacks across encounters or something

[cursive oyster]

patched

[tired fulcrum]

Rip

[civic ocean]

This is the way for torches

[bleak night]

I should probs train on 5 min UW and 7 min Olympus

[timber pawn]

5 min ephyra may be literally impossible honestly lol

the delay on bringing up the mini map is a problem, amongst other things

[bleak night]

Yeah ik, if the city plaza didn't eat time it'd be doable

[timber pawn]

but the running around town really screws it up, ya

[tired fulcrum]

Just bring momus

[strange kite]

momus isnt gonna get u under 5 minutes

[tired fulcrum]

Or get medea/heracles/arty or all of them

[strange kite]

that would work

[timber pawn]

I think you'd need all of em, ya lol. Man I have 1 fun aspect left (artemis) and then I have Circe, Moros, and 3 Mel aspects. Oof

[strange kite]

get pan

[tired fulcrum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1217110523091357747/1239018116772794419/image.png?ex=66508e4a&is=664f3cca&hm=7c5cff8de32ac8179574b9aaf5e1f60acf42851ee2abd7dee98769cdf4ae398f& idk on a random run i got sub 7 through both

[timber pawn]

I have already done pan at 32, trying to do all

[tired fulcrum]

Though tbh ephyra rooms can be pretty rng with whether they spawn one wave or like 3

[timber pawn]

wow that is speedy

[civic ocean]

Nah believe, heracles got u

[tired fulcrum]

Actually why tf do i have zeus special

Lmao

[timber pawn]

it kinda works on Momus tbh

its no poseidon but still

I have no idea how to build Moros, I'm gonna try at like 9 heat and see what happens, maybe just start Hera lol

[modern yacht]

Anyone have a build for the medea skull?

[timber pawn]

zeus special aphro attack and demeter support stuff

or just zeus special, demeter attack/supprt, heph support also

[modern yacht]

Thx

[tired fulcrum]

You also want huntress arcana on and vow of panic

[worn island]

What weapon should I prioritize unlocking? Are any way better than others?

[timber pawn]

which one have you liked the most so far?

[worn island]

I’ve just started, only have the starting spear

[timber pawn]

staff?

[ionic moon]

imo just try them all yourself

[timber pawn]

^

[worn island]

Oh it’s a staff my bad

I’ll prob get the blades first since they’re cheap

Other than that idk

[timber pawn]

lots of folks are a big fan of the blades. but otherwise just try em out for yourself!

they're pretty quick to unlock at the base level\

[ionic moon]

we are very much in the "try random things" phase of the game's life

[zenith bolt]

when in doubt, hera demeter

[strange kite]

blades is pretty reliably good

might one of the best melinoe aspects too

cuz u can do an aphro attack with backstab

[zenith bolt]

mel blades is probably 2nd best mel aspect

[strange kite]

which one is best? skull?

[civic ocean]

Torch

[zenith bolt]

torches

[strange kite]

wut

[zenith bolt]

aphro special spam (which is ironically one of the first things i tried on torches before moving to eos)

[strange kite]

hearthrob build?

[timber pawn]

alright I'm at 6:57 after 2nd zone on this Moros build, its actually okay

[left dagger]

Is the axe's omega special supposed to be unaffected by the Sorceress?

[zenith bolt]

that + your omega special is basically heartthrob+

[zenith bolt]

yes, because the special is also an attack and they use the same button. this is why torch omega attack also doesnt work with sorceress

special and omega special are both held inputs so sorceress doesnt work

[left dagger]

I reported it as a bug since it didn't say anything anywhere, but it does make sense for it to not work together

[zenith bolt]

• it would make using the special normally very awkward

[left dagger]

tbf multiple things feel a bit awkward with the slowdown, but I do agree

[covert jacinth]

After Boss Fights, can I drink from the Fountain, Then change my Trinket?

[zenith bolt]

yeah

[covert jacinth]

or does fountain lock the Trinket Chest

[cursive oyster]

it does not

[zenith bolt]

trinket chest you can use whenever

[brave owl]

Hi all! What are some good boons and combos to go for Aspect of Charon?

[zenith bolt]

however, using the trinket chest causes the game to save, which means if you quit you wont be able to reverse any decision you make keepsake-wise (notably, if you use the fountain before switching to aromatic phial, you'll screw yourself over)

[zenith bolt]

apollo cast, go for apollo-zeus duo

[brave owl]

Alrighty I’ll give that one a try! Ty

[mystic bison]

Does Death apply to omega cast as well?

[zenith bolt]

i think?? though for charon you're better off equipping The Moon

[brave owl]

Hmmm

[mystic bison]

Funny that you mention Charon, was just gonna run it now

[brave owl]

Well it’s the Bones weapon for me and I need to run it on 12 fear so. And I only have to kill Hecate hehehe

I’m not so confident with it. Or the torches and skulls.

[zenith bolt]

fun fact: you can actually do multiple testaments in one run

[brave owl]

No kidding ??

[zenith bolt]

yeah

[brave owl]

How do you manage that? Just bump the fear up more?

God I love getting high and playing Hades

I feel kinda bad, I have god mode on right now but…. Just don’t have the reflexes I used to.

But it makes the game more fun for me, being able to survive longer so… I guess that’s what it’s for.

[strange kite]

once u get some upgrades

u wont need god mode to survive on heat 0

[brave owl]

I have the staff aspect and aspect of pan fully upgraded so I’m thinking about turning it off and trying to beat chronos without it on.

[strange kite]

pick a strong build and go for surviveability and it’ll be fine

poseidon pan. u can easily cook kronos while tanking most hits

[brave owl]

Yeaaaa and hopefully getting hook knives !

[strange kite]

take frinos. and poseidon gives u 100 extra hp

[mystic bison]

There are many good hammers for pan

[strange kite]

pan is one of the least hammer rng reliant aspects ever

[brave owl]

I saw a Haelian video recently where he melted everything with it. Was quite awesome to behold

[strange kite]

it’s amazing

[brave owl]

Why froggy?

[strange kite]

frog give u a ton of hp

[brave owl]

Cat gives extra DD which I love tho I haven’t really needed it lately…

Oh yea

[strange kite]

frog hp is worth more

[civic ocean]

Cat is based if u remember to run it over

[plain fossil]

i dont rly agree with this in the sense that the difference between a pan run with good hammers and a pan run with bad hammers is a lot wider than most builds

[mystic bison]

Cat gives dd but not a lot of hp with it

Only 10 at rank 1 and goes up to 40

So one hit from Kronos and its bye bye anyway

[strange kite]

nah i dont think so. also pan has like multiple good hammers

momus is way more hammer rng reliant

and less good hammers compared to pan

[brave owl]

Yea. It’s ok if you don’t get double moonshot but way better if you do

[ionic moon]

I think the point is that pan has the most viable hammers. yeah you still want hook knives but literally any hammer that says "Special" will work

[tall notch]

It's one of the least reliant if you consider the fact that other aspects (looking at you, Charon) require some very specific hammers or your run is likely bricked. Pan has its best options but is going to work well enough with anything that empowers the specials

[plain fossil]

what no i disagree with that totally, the best pan hammer is much better than the best momus hammer and the zero-hammer baseline of momus is much higher

[zenith bolt]

charon can probably live without sudden cleaver but it is sad

[brave owl]

Which hammer am I looking for Charon? About to start my run now.

[plain fossil]

Charon is even more hammer reliant than pan sure but that doesnt change my central point

[ionic moon]

like you'd have to draw nothing but attack hammers on pan your whole run to be bad

[zenith bolt]

Sudden Cleaver - You Channel your Special 50% faster.

[brave owl]

oh hell yes. OK ty, gonna go run it now

[plain fossil]

well theres probably only two hammers on pan that im actually excited to see and thats the two that give u 2384920384908290 dps

[brave owl]

lol

[plain fossil]

sure theres other hammers that have nonzero effects but thats true for many builds

[zenith bolt]

boundless flurry, hook knives, spiral knives, sureshot flurry all good takes on pan

[civic ocean]

There's like 5 right - cheaper, hook, spiral, conc, and straight

[zenith bolt]

oh yeah concentrated flurry

[tall notch]

There are many builds that straight up don't function without one veeeeeeeeeeeeeery specific hammer. Compared to those Pan really isn't as reliant

[brave owl]

OOMG first boon is Selene and the bottom one is Moon Water. Off to a good start!

[plain fossil]

are there?

[zenith bolt]

first known recording of someone being excited for selene start

[plain fossil]

i cant think of any other than maybe charon axe

[mystic bison]

card comp I run with charon https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1242098453979598872/1243344654183825490/Screenshot_4070.png?ex=66512271&is=664fd0f1&hm=eebdcf27b25a554aa80c3f629afbd703aaace3afbf67114b91fe140e127f8a75&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=550&height=309

[brave owl]

'hahah im excited cuz im not too great with hammers

[tall notch]

Charon, Artemis, Any staff, Any non-Eos torch

[civic ocean]

I think mel torch pretty hard no hanmers

[ionic moon]

6 if you count dancing knives, less exciting but not a brick

[brave owl]

and Moon Water is the most upgradable so...yea a lil excited lol

[zenith bolt]

charon isnt nonfunctional without sudden cleaver (the fated triple negative sentence...)

[plain fossil]

uh i dont agree at all that any staff needs specific hammer lul if that was at all true then one of those "any staff" wouldnt be the consensus most consistent high fear build in current game

[civic ocean]

But also now that we can dash dunk or do a zeus start idk if Charon is so hammer reliant

[timber pawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1242874726209159300/1243345178190938173/image.png?ex=665122ee&is=664fd16e&hm=5981b1b053ee8b55bd4d39203bd1b17c3733d3daf311ed24949e6e7ccd5ffffc& alright so Moros works okay I guess, begrudgingly

[tall notch]

Was any of these high fear runs done without double moonshot?

[zenith bolt]

like with charon you have the means to be somewhat passive and take your time because your thing is like 3000 damage if you land it

[mystic bison]

Beating Kronos is way easier on Charon without sudden cleaver than spin axe without fast channel hammer

[ionic moon]

moros just needs your attack orbs to not sail across the room

[civic ocean]

What do u think will have more water next patch

Oceanus or torch players when they nerf born gain

[plain fossil]

at the same fear as the equivalent pan runs? im sure yes

[mystic bison]

With Charon you have the benefit of range

[zenith bolt]

and axe special isnt completely sitting duck, you're blocking and invuln for part of it

and you have range and you can dash etc etc etc

[plain fossil]

like yea u need to highroll to do 50 fear on momus or whatever but pan cant do 50 fear at all right

[civic ocean]

It's so bad without sudden cleaver

Like it's such a huge diff

[plain fossil]

so i dont think thats the best comparison

[mystic bison]

No sudden cleaver sucks for Hecate but it's manageable otherwise I'd say

[tall notch]

At any fear level Momus with and Momus without double moonshot feel like two different weapons

[zenith bolt]

broke: fluid gain
woke: fixed gain

i will simply facetank

[plain fossil]

and at any fear level pan with and without hook knives feels like different weapons except even more so

[zenith bolt]

demeter hephaestus eos is the new meta

[timber pawn]

its gonna be rough out there for sure lol

[zenith bolt]

coarse grit fixed gain with weed killer

[tall notch]

But Pan has alternatives that are still close enough in power level doesn't it

[plain fossil]

i would argue no, personally, though pan does have more hammers that have a nonzero effect

[civic ocean]

Theres like 2 other momus hams that are pretty nice

[zenith bolt]

the bouncing one and the faster one

[mystic bison]

Pan has a selection of good hammers to choose from, meanwhile for staff double moonshot is like 3 levels above everything else and it's a night and day difference with and without

[timber pawn]

that is pretty huge

[tall notch]

Yeah and it's this amount of hammers with non-zero effect that makes it less hammer-reliant IMO. A weapon that's really hammer-reliant needs this one specific thing and barely gets value out of any of the others

[zenith bolt]

"hammer that doubles your dps" is such a silly concept

[plain fossil]

for me its about the floor of pan with bad hammers is a lot lower than the floor of momus with bad hammers and the ceiling is a lot higher

like if u actually brick ur pan hammers idk if u guys have done this but the build is asscrack

[timber pawn]

honestly the ideal aspect of artemis hammer is 'quadruple your omega attack damage' lmao, just the aspect itself isn't as broken so its not quite as egregious

[ionic moon]

man, if staff gets an attack aspect... look out double wallop and extra dose

[civic ocean]

I feel like you guys are discussing whether the shotgun or ar-15 are better at the knife fight

[mystic bison]

The only way you get a bad hammer with pan is if you get 3 attack hammers offered - not very often

[tall notch]

Just run tranquil gain instead with that god pool

[plain fossil]

i think most of the good builds have one hammer at least that is this good or better

[mystic bison]

For Momus you pray to God the entire run for double moonshot that's it

[worn island]

Also who should I prioritize giving ambrosia to? Seems more rare than hades 1 but idk

[zenith bolt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/362939825000677377/1239800712255504414/IMG_0826.png?ex=66443de4&is=6642ec64&hm=7ab720ba1fd83d34bf4beb96e0e0577ca222c90387904ade7c5b584cfdea7e14&

[civic ocean]

Northernlion mentioned

[zenith bolt]

i have that video saved on my phone

[hoary delta]

Well to be fair you only pray for it in Erebus, then if you don’t get it you restart, lol

[plain fossil]

certainly for me if im at say 32 fear i feel like i can do it on momus with no good hammer because its consistent enough to do that but on pan if i brick first hammer im going to die in mourning fields or something

[civic ocean]

Need that volc strike start

[spare kite]

Double edge moment

[zenith bolt]

now if they would just buff vent so i can live out my heroic +3 heph attack vent dreams

[tall notch]

How'd you compare Pan with one of the non-hook knives special hammers to Momus with a special hammer that's not double moonshot? I feel like I'd rather play the Pan here

[plain fossil]

unless its spiral knives id rather play momus

[zenith bolt]

im a sucker for boundless flurry

[tall notch]

What about the faster chargeup and lower manacost thing? Or is that spiral

[pastel elm]

the thing with dedge is i think the devs didnt expect ppl to only use dash attack and actually use the icky standing combo

[zenith bolt]

that's boundless

[plain fossil]

spiral is the 16 knives

[hoary delta]

I agree, any Pan has the advantage of no moonshot modus

[tall notch]

Boundless start is better than Momus with anything that's not double moonshot I feel like

Though the highest Pan I ran is 32 fear and idk if I can do 40 with it

[plain fossil]

also at 0 fear id rather play pan regardless its also a consequence that base momus is just better at dealing with vows than base pan

for obvious reasons

[tall notch]

Yeah I am feeling that the dashstrike spam wasn't the intended gameplay and it was one of the reasons why we didn't get a double dash in this game

It's like they don't want us spamming them 24/7

[plain fossil]

maybe im playing pan wrong, what god combo are u guys on

[civic ocean]

Volcanic strike

[mystic bison]

The fast channel hammer is also extremely good - the odds of getting a bad hammer selection are much lower because you have a bigger selection of good hammers instead of having one god tier one and then other mid hammers this is the argument

[plain fossil]

i assume poseidon hera heph

[pastel elm]

probably the steam duo lol

[tall notch]

Just the Pos special + Hera + X gaming and if I make it out of Erebus I feel like I won the run as long as I get any special hammers

[civic ocean]

I go volc strike start into Spiteful Strength Special + Slow Cooker

[plain fossil]

well if u can consistently do 32s with pan getting an okay hammer in a1 then ur better than me thats for sure

which i mean thats cool im here to learn

[tall notch]

But tbh I'm definitely missing something about Pan early game as I'd rather take Artemis to 40 than Pan

[covert jacinth]

I assume Engraved Pin activates only After Death Defiances are all used up,
Elsewise it'd be kinda really powerful

[brave owl]

My first hammer for aspect of charon is Melting Shredder 😦

[pastel elm]

no its used before

[civic ocean]

Nope it goes first

Very underrated keepsake

[brave owl]

and I didn't get it until a lil ways into 2nd area. Oh well. I hera regen boon so at least I have that going for me

[plain fossil]

like for me i feel like the only way i feel like an earlygame momus run is brick tier is if i get selene room 1

[pastel elm]

and if u fail to finish the encountwr in the countdown, itll spend a dd but otherwise itll let you keep the dd

[plain fossil]

and thats true for every build lul

[zenith bolt]

even boonless momus isnt terrible with huntress like you still got 60 damage on demand

[plain fossil]

yea exactly right

[brave owl]

when youre going for a momus or aspect of pan run, dont you just put on posideon keepsake to make sure to get Wave Flourish? Am I doing it wrong or something?

[covert jacinth]

So like,
If I have 2 death defiances,
I take lethal damage, I have 10 seconds to save one of my death defiances?
And if I was to fail those 10 seconds, I lose the Death Defiance, would it activate again before taking the next as well??

[plain fossil]

that does not stop u getting selene room 1 fyi

[tired fulcrum]

Hex can override god start

[zenith bolt]

selene start is game deciding you dont deserve your winstreak

[plain fossil]

basically if u click a god keepsake theres 3 things that can happen room 1: u get that god boon, u get hammer or u get hex

[pastel elm]

feelshexman

[brave owl]

How so? I got Moowater as my first boon this run. As far as hex, that’s the best so…

[tall notch]

It's because of the timer vow and the fact that you're not using hexes much early game considering how you don't have mana for them

[brave owl]

But even getting her first, you get your god boon next if you have the keepsake on. Or shortly thereafter.

[tall notch]

Feels like you started with an onion even if it can be good late game

[hoary delta]

Once per encounter, so you can save the same or multiple death resists as much as you want in a run, but only once an encounter

[plain fossil]

general consensus is that hex doesnt do enough early to be good in act 1 which is currently the hardest part of the game at mid to high fear

[tall notch]

In higher fear Erebus genuinely is one of the most challenging parts of a run and you're losing tempo

[brave owl]

Ahh yea I’m up against the 9:00 timer right now@correct the first time. Adds a bit of anxiety lol

[tall notch]

Yeah and imagine getting something you don't have the mana to use instead of a boon at the start of a 5 minute timer run

[brave owl]

For the first time **

[plain fossil]

like i generally play with 9:00 or even no timer on momus which is much more relaxed than other ppl here, i only click additional timer ranks when my build doesnt allow me to click vows that delete my mana

[brave owl]

Idk if I’ll try 5:00 run for a long time heh.

[pastel elm]

hex start and then bones into onion into bones

[covert jacinth]

Thank you!~

[plain fossil]

and even at 9:00 early hex is really sadface because it doesnt add damage and often u cant even trigger it

[brave owl]

Yea starting with no mana is torture until you get Hera regen boon or some other regen boon.

[tired fulcrum]

God keepsake also wont force over stuff like coins/heart/mana pot or ash/psyche so if you hex start it can take a while to see your first boon sometimes

[plain fossil]

like on a momus run ur intending to use no mana the entire run for any reason

[hoary delta]

Ugh

[plain fossil]

so hex = onion

[civic ocean]

In theory if ur starting hera panic should be relatively free fear right

[zenith bolt]

i think 7:00 is decently comfortable on the weapons i like

[tired fulcrum]

Hex start + onion vow

[zenith bolt]

5:00 is mainly just die in erebus

[pastel elm]

crunchy...!

[zenith bolt]

mandatory artificer moment

[tall notch]

Maybe higher dps weapons handle this better but in my Eos runs I feel like I won't make the timer if I don't start with some form of damage

[plain fossil]

yea other than first few rooms

[brave owl]

So - due to momus and pan, posideon has to be the best boon in the game currently right ? Plus, getting his legendary +150% to guardians just feelsgudman

[civic ocean]

Poseidon is currently the best overall god as useful as knowing that is

[brave owl]

Best god in the game **

[plain fossil]

and yea i agree with the eos guy i always want damage in room 1

[tall notch]

Early rooms if you have mana + damage you can often clear them before you oom or maybe have 1-2 unarmored mobs left when you oom

[civic ocean]

Not me taking tranquill gain floor 1 on charon if its offered

[tall notch]

Don't tell pajama day

[civic ocean]

It's an exodia piece u gotta be takin those

[brave owl]

Eventually I’d like to try some more gods I don’t use a lot like Apollo and Zeus and Aphrodite. And the blacksmith guy.

[civic ocean]

Apollo Zeus Demeter are the Charon gods

[tall notch]

Heph will gain more value for you as you go higher up in fear and things start hitting hard while your healing is reduced. Armor is valuable.

[brave owl]

Demeter for the cast, right ?

[zenith bolt]

i will never concede on tranquil gain

[civic ocean]

Apollo cast into double duo

[pastel elm]

ive been really liking zeus. i think spirit surge is pretty wild

[brave owl]

I love getting Origination online

[zenith bolt]

i would rather walk back on anything else but i refuse to say tranquil gain is good unless they buff it

[pastel elm]

but in mourning fields, i thing surge aggros all mobs in the map

[plain fossil]

i tried tranquil gain on charon again im afraid i have to agree with east

[brave owl]

I never did hear runs in hades 1 so having “p status” is great in hades 2 lol

[plain fossil]

like tranquil gain is absolutely trashcan and it feels bad

[brave owl]

Heat runs *

[plain fossil]

but its better than lucid gain and ionic gain on that build

[brave owl]

Tranquil gain is the one that drops mana balls right ?

[zenith bolt]

that bar is... in the ground

[plain fossil]

hey man ur not long on options here

[pastel elm]

no it regens mana if you stay still lol

[brave owl]

Ohhhh

[tall notch]

Her cast is a good general use boon, but for Charon axe in particular you want her because she's a prerequisite of a strong duo boon for the build

[hoary delta]

That’s fluid gain

[brave owl]

That’s good for torches tho I think.

[plain fossil]

if ionic gain was like 60% instead i would click it

[brave owl]

Oh ok I’m running Charon run right now and have Demeter cast. I’m looking for Apollo to show up for the duo?

[tall notch]

I would play Ionic gain if not for its primed mana interaction

[tall notch]

And you want Apollo cast instead because it's amazing damage on Charon

[hoary delta]

Oh yeah, I would too I think, but 70% is just too high for me, I’ve just written that boon off

[brave owl]

Oh shiii. Ok.

[zenith bolt]

if the primed mana also was reduced by % ionic gain would be usable

[tall notch]

It's supposed to be a regen for builds that play inexpensive things often. But the way it works right now, the moment you prime literally anything you'll end up at 0/0 mana

[brave owl]

Well I think I effed up this run then. But at least I killed Hecate and got the nightmare for the 12 fear run I’m doing.

[hoary delta]

Apollo omega cast does damage for days

[tall notch]

Or if it reduced your mana pool AFTER priming maybe?

[zenith bolt]

true

[tall notch]

Which of the two options would be stronger? I cba to do the math it's 1 am

[brave owl]

Thank you all for being super helpful. Going back to this anxiety-ridden run now

[plain fossil]

its the same

[hoary delta]

This stronger probably, later in runs at least

[hoary delta]

Oh yeah, Demeter should be fine for 12 heat with good supporting boons and hammers, but if you get the chance to swap to Apollo cast then do

[hoary delta]

Good luck!

[brave owl]

Hey real quick: you guys have some fav hades 2 content creators to watch? Currently the only one I know to watch every day is Haelian

[pastel elm]

one thing that always tilts me is getting sheeped

[plain fossil]

like if u have 100 mana and u prime 50 of it, ur first solution u end up with 30 mana and 15 is primed (ie u have 15 mana) and the second solution u prime 50 mana and reduce the other 50 by 70% (ie u have 15 mana)

[hoary delta]

Jawless Paul maybe

[hoary delta]

Oh the one that attacks you can go get f’ed

[plain fossil]

i think theyre talking about hecate sheep

[hoary delta]

What about if you increase base mana to 200?

[tall notch]

me
|| jk I'm not doing actual content creation, I'll just sometimes upload runs or builds I found cool, mostly because I don't have nitro to upload them on discord ||

[brave owl]

Feel like the cyclops fight is harder than it should be. Even tho it’s easy. But it’s hard. lol

[plain fossil]

if u have 200 mana and u prime 50 of it, ur first solution u end up with 60 mana and 15 is primed (ie u have 45 mana) and the second solution u prime 50 mana and reduce the other 150 by 70% (ie u have 45 mana)

[zenith bolt]

100 total magick, 40 primed (60 net magick)

reduce prime by % as well: 30 total magick - 12 primed = 18 net magick

reduce after prime: 60 net magick * 0.3 = 18 net magick

[brave owl]

What’s your YT channel? I’ll check ya out

[hoary delta]

Ah right, lol, in that case my lord Frinos is my saviour… when I remember to hide behind him

[tall notch]

https://www.youtube.com/@coldshade8186

[zenith bolt]

i believe these solutions are functionally the same

[plain fossil]

i said that 😦

[zenith bolt]

well i was already typing and i didnt see ur message

[tall notch]

Oh that's good to know

[brave owl]

Aight I subbed and will watch some of your vids later 🤘🏻

[tall notch]

Thanks for doing the math @zenith bolt @plain fossil!

[zenith bolt]

[civic ocean]

I'll post in self promo when I go live in 2 hrs or so to do 32 rotating

Probably die a lot while I get used to it

[zenith bolt]

time for 50 selene starts in a row

[tall notch]

I'd give it a watch if you went live now, in 2 hours I am planning to be in bed

[tired fulcrum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1164101586138710037/1243353680804188191/Hades_II_2024-05-23_16-58-49.mp4?ex=66512ad9&is=664fd959&hm=de76ba21bdc345d14beb329947f12c1f446870a3e22714cdfdf16a86bcace1f2& If regen wasn't stopped by specialling prechannel maybe tranquil would be less gross

[plain fossil]

dude yesterday i was like ok set myself up go underworld --> selene start --> rage give up and go surface instead --> selene start FFFFFFFFFFF

[zenith bolt]

i wouldnt mind tranquil gain if i didnt have to stand completely still for it

[tall notch]

Thank you!

[tired fulcrum]

yeah you get the same surface and erebus starts if you give up

[plain fossil]

i wonder if its worth giving up on one of the charon duos to get a gain that doesnt suck

[hoary delta]

Good to know

[civic ocean]

3 hrs earlier start on fri sat ye ye

[plain fossil]

i might try zeus apollo hera maybe

[tall notch]

Tranquil gain would be really good if it a) it let you move around and not attack (arguably OP) or b) it let you attack or charge things up while standing in place

[hoary delta]

I vote b here, feels more fair and in spirit

[civic ocean]

It sort of does B IIRC on Axe if you stand still during spin or charon bomb it starts

[tired fulcrum]

Usually i want to dash especially on fo2

[tall notch]

Replacing Zeus with Hera instead of Demeter might be better as Demeter's a better god in general

[zenith bolt]

a) is just how phoenix skin works and would be my suggestion for it changing (with potential regen nerf to compensate)

[plain fossil]

i agree with that but i hate playing charon without lightning lance or glowing coal it feels asscrack

[tall notch]

Fair enough

[tired fulcrum]

And even if you stand still you have to wait to go into another special or you get 0 magick back

[civic ocean]

Just Glorious Disaster is enough damage for sure

[tall notch]

Or mayyyyyyyyybeee you could play a 4-god pool by forcing an extra with keepsake

[plain fossil]

its not the damage its the positioning

[civic ocean]

Well you give up a lot of dmg by not taking local climate and Downpour

[tall notch]

4-god pools have been growing on me since I started running forsaking as it's easy to run out of useful boons

[timber pawn]

DARREN WHY, Selene start again on 32

[civic ocean]

Win it

[tall notch]

Ahahaahah WE ARE GETTING HIT WITH THE DARREN SPECIAL

[plain fossil]

yea i know but u also give up a lot of dmg by standing in a corner regenning mana

[timber pawn]

5 min timer, no shot

[civic ocean]

The trick is to get both duos and then take Wheel into tart I think

[analog osprey]

great music isnt free

[tall notch]

We've got to down in the moon blessings from Selene

[pastel elm]

re: art knives, blue heart vow is unpickable? and its a hera gain start? it feels so bad not starting with an attack boon

[hoary delta]

That’s a really good point. I feel like there are just too few locations in H2 to run a 4-god-pool without vow of forsaking

[civic ocean]

Feels situational like if I get the 3 gods I want in Erebus I pivot

[plain fossil]

yea maybe thats a bit sad but its possibly better than clicking a different third god

[civic ocean]

Wheel is OP in tart I feel

[tall notch]

You definitely don't want blue hearts, as of the start I haven't quite figured it out yet. There's a case for both a hera start and apollo start

[civic ocean]

Unless you have Born Gain specifically

[plain fossil]

well lots of things are op in tart

blackened fleece for example pretty good lul

[zenith bolt]

i think wheel in fields will last to end of the run unless you're really wasting magick

[tall notch]

It kind of drops off in a good build as it's yet another additive bonus

[plain fossil]

u dont get THAT much additive damage in this game i find its mostly from arcana

[alpine steppe]

I just found Apollon's boons is so broken

[tall notch]

If you have for example a high-scaling boon, weed killer, Chaos, Origination and a hammer all giving you additive scaling, fleece is minor in comparison

[plain fossil]

and i dont run huntress on charon

[tall notch]

Oh you're talking Charon in particular mb

[plain fossil]

yea im talking about charon in particular and obviously u dont have a % boon for the relevant bit

[tall notch]

Yeah I thought you're talking about keepsakes for omega builds in general for some reason

[plain fossil]

na yea we're talking about wheel vs something else in a4 for charon

because as established previously charon gains suck nuts

[tall notch]

I'm a fan of wheel in general, it's such a slept on keepsake because of the meta being no mana builds

It was the first thing I leveled to 3 lmao

[civic ocean]

If you do have charon tho there's a decent chance you ended up with Downpour right and if you have downpour you have like infinite dmg

You're mostly capped by how many times you can dunk rather than how much each dunk deals

[timber pawn]

alright I actually beat the 5 minute timer with my DARREN start

[tall notch]

Are you a Darren meta believer now?

[timber pawn]

not a chance lol

[tall notch]

Which hex are you playing anyway

[timber pawn]

night bloom kekw

[brave owl]

even tho i didn't get the one yall reccommended, the Charon hammer that makes your omega special TWICE in front of you is pretty bad ass.

[tall notch]

What does that do?

[zenith bolt]

what's this darren bit

[timber pawn]

revive enemy

[tall notch]

Oh that's a good one actually

[tall notch]

So basically, someone in here (I think East) suggested that the reason why hexes feel so underwhelming is that someone on the team was doing cracked runs with them during internal testing and they got hard nerfed before release just in case. So now we're blaming Darren (who's confirmed to be the best speedrunner on the team) for Selene starts bricking runs

[zenith bolt]

[civic ocean]

Yes it is tradition to yell DARREN KORB when you get floor 1 selened now

[brazen ore]

ive never immediately believed something more

[civic ocean]

We do love a fun bit

[tall notch]

Someone please ask if this was the case in an interview

[plain fossil]

oh no

[ionic moon]

i heard darren cleared 32 fear using only moon water

[plain fossil]

the last time i clicked night bloom i pressed it on chronos and it revived a summoner rat

i was not happy

[timber pawn]

thats kind of hilarious

[tall notch]

If hexes couldn't show up room 1 and reduced their mana requirements alongside mana cost reduces on omegas I would love night bloom

I do think it retains all of the fear bonuses

[plain fossil]

i dont like how revived mobs can eat your projectiles

[brave owl]

but hexes aren't COMPLETELY useless are they? Or are they at higher fear runs? Im sure they will get overhauled regardless - they've obviously spent a lot of time and effort on Selene to just let her fade away into obscurity

[plain fossil]

hexes arent completely useless for some builds in the sense that u would press them if they were free and didnt cost something that could have been a god boon

[brazen ore]

when i first started the game i was SO excited about "omg a laser that does 1200 damage!!" and then i discovered that hex was actually just 'stand still for three seconds and get dunked on'

[brave owl]

yea friendly fire on allied mobs kinda sucks

[tall notch]

If you upgrade a hex it's generally gonna be worth the button press, but for the amount of work that requires you could be setting up something really strong

Friendly fire on ressed mobs is just Hera synergy

[plain fossil]

but they do pretty much always cost something that could have been a god boon (or multiple!) so from that perspective theyre not value

[brave owl]

@anti its cool when you can sit it down and then move around

[tall notch]

Though running ress when you have Demeter freezes is depressing levels of anti-synergy

[brazen ore]

it disappointed me so much that i never even tried to see what any of the upgrades were tbh

[brave owl]

omfg I just pulled the Spiteful Strength duo without going for it - Hephasteus / Hera - Your attacks and specials deal more damage while not empowered by boons....such a feel bad duo boon 😦

[plain fossil]

i did a run with sun worshipper and demeter im pretty sure the duo boon was worse than no boon lul

[brave owl]

i guess ill. get it for the attack, blah.

when the game bolds ATTACK and SPECIAL does that also include omega?

So, one boon says "Your attack and sepcial deal more damage for each earth element you have" - would that include my omega special?

[tired fulcrum]

Nope

Only if its plural

[brave owl]

well phuck me with a staff. that sucks

[brazen ore]

one time at the very end of the run i got the hera/poseidon duo that said you deal more damage per gold you have. after I already spent all of my gold ....

[lost shell]

any other fun build for staff other than poseidon/hestia?

[tall notch]

https://youtu.be/EIw_nrtPowY?si=4sYJTXfIAnyxwdDN

[plain fossil]

if u just want to clown then im a fan of mel attack omega staff with demeter/hera attack and the double attack hammer

[lost shell]

thanks!

[tall notch]

Omega spam Mel staff is viable but hammer-reliant

[plain fossil]

ye it works ok with cross hammer but really u want double omega attack

[brave owl]

ok just beat Cerby on this janked Charon run - got 15 mins to go kill Daddy Time now -_-

[lost shell]

how about zeus/hestia

[timber pawn]

lol 5:48 to beat all of tart and Chronos, this runs over

Darren got me again

[brazen ore]

just use night bloom to res cerberus and have him clear tartarus for you

ez win

[tall notch]

If omega special hammers show up you can build towards those instead
https://youtu.be/CR4pxl6K0R0?si=NMi8jNjM4svCOpg_

[tall notch]

But you're fixing the dog, not killing him

[brazen ore]

to resurrect his uhhh . shade suit

his Venom symbiote

[plain fossil]

born gain hardcarry lul

[tall notch]

It's such a good boon isn't it

[timber pawn]

not a snowballs chance in hell

I missed out on like 3 boon rooms because of the stupid selene start. had to go all shops and events instead

[ionic moon]

70 mana per cast, damn

[brazen ore]

i'm still kind of a baby at playing with fear and havent done the timer yet, does it stop for shops/NPC rooms or is it just that you can get through them faster cause no fighting

[brave owl]

yes it does

and some "free" rooms like the spider girl, nemesis, echo, hades, etc

and you can pull up your codex and it pauses during that as well

[timber pawn]

it stops for npcs, shops are just faster

[brave owl]

im not good with the hammer but im on a charon run right now literally about to go up against Chronos with 11 mins. Any unused time gets added to the next zone which is really cool. I Started with the 9:00 fear but I feel like I could do 7:00 easily especially with a weapon im comfortable with

[tall notch]

Ingame timer speedruns will take a shop over an encounter even when not buying anything

[brave owl]

btw, lvl 8 epic Volcanic Flourish doesn't suck.

[brazen ore]

a resounding endorsement

[brave owl]

😄

ok bout to go fight granddaddy with 11 mins on the timer, wish me luck

[brazen ore]

u can get him for sure !

[ionic moon]

I would hope level 8 epic anything would not suck

[brave owl]

i phrased it that way but what I really meant was it's kind of bad ass. kept hitting it with my poms and got lucky with a couple of the lesser pom rewards also

[brazen ore]

i personally have a really hard time with any weapons that aren't daggers or staff. i hate the torches and axe is just kinda too slow for me. i liked skulls but ever since i got the hammer that does your omega attack when you pick up the skulls, i want it all of the time and i am disappointed whenever it doesnt show up as an option

[hazy crane]

@bleak night I've made progress on getting a consistent Retreating Shield Blast, still working on fusing it with Quickcast

I do have a very consistent Axe 3rd Chop Cancel with the cast, through almost the entire animation—start charging the omega cast, then release immediately, and it will completely interrupt the animation. If you're very late, it'll still do the big hit even as you start charging the cast

Still working on getting it to play nice with Dash, I have some ideas though

edit: I have a consistent Dash+Special cancel that's pretty fast, it can't lead into a Sprint through so it's still not a full Dash-Cancel https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/613575366623363082/1243366812603650048/Hades2Tech_AxeChopDashCancel.mp4?ex=66513714&is=664fe594&hm=ade04836b3446a7aae69be8f9f37b8c778aa4e8147ed3030d89bf9f68dadcecc&

Edit 2: I found a really easy way to do Retreating Shield Blast without breaking my fingers lmao - just hold two direction inputs at once, like Down+Left, and time the dash the same way you'd time it normally. No extra input needed, it'll go where your mouse is

[covert jacinth]

Sad news, on attempt, it appears the Pin does not infact save the Death Defiance.
I had the Pin, took Lethal Damage, Lost my Death Defy, and then the 10 seconds Started.
(However, since the Death Defy had already healed me above 0, I didn't die once the 10 seconds ran out. My First Death Defy was still Gone though.)

[civic ocean]

I'd be very curious to see video of this as every time it's happened to me I don't lose the DD if I clear the room before the 10s runs out

[brave owl]

beat him 6.5 mins left 🙂

only one DD used. Moon water for the win! Press R1 to brood.

[civic ocean]

Sad that r1 2 brood never caught on

We will get Korbsing to catch on tho trust

[plain fossil]

Ye same however theres some lag when u kill a boss - if the 10 seconds runs out during the boss death animation it appears u still lose the DD. Not sure if intended

[warped harness]

dawg why does the punchy ghost do so much damage i revived one while fighting cerb and it kicked his butt 😭

[brave owl]

goddang, Hephastus blast was number 3 damage dealt - 46k accross the run. thats from volcanic flourish...kinda ridiculously good IMO

[tall notch]

WABS will catch on trust

[civic ocean]

What nomenclature do we have rn

Dash Dunking
1 boon builds
WABSing
Air Fryer
DARREN KORB

What else

[brazen ore]

whats wabs

[brave owl]

prob is way more ppl played modern warfare than will play hades 1 or 2 so...maybe itll catch on in our community especially when more people buy it and it's available on consoles

[warped harness]

Darren Korb???

[tall notch]

How could you forget about pink aura? 😭

[civic ocean]

Oh right Pink Aura

[analog osprey]

weapon agnostic boon stalking stacking? cant remember

[civic ocean]

Incredible Balls

[civic ocean]

Stacking

[brave owl]

what is WABSing? Isn't darren the musical director? As a metal guitarist, I really enjoy the siren stuff. already found some metal covers of it that are rpetty great. and the versions on apple music and spotify sound even more metal for some reason OR theyre mixed slightly different than what you hear in the game and you can hear the guitars better.

[viscid wave]

me too!!!!

[brazen ore]

im weapon catholic boon stacking then lmao

[shadow marsh]

my favorite is when you get the omega special to cost less than five mana, because the hammer still refunds the flat 5 so you actually gain mana from it