h2-builds-and-combat

[plain fossil]

Idk if he's an asshat it's just a slower fight no?

[sour cape]

He is really fast with Cerb

[west rain]

tbh i can't even understand the lyrics. ADHD + audio processing disorder + focusing on the task at hand means it's just garbeled nonsense

[sour cape]

almost need a sprint speed boost to get away from him

[civic ocean]

I have done hitless Cerb at 32 I think but only because I was able to kill both phases remarkably fast

[jade cairn]

I hate both now cause its like the same songs

[sour cape]

or like Demeter freeze 😭

[calm maple]

I had one run where she was singing Claw through the whole Oceanis run, then I fought her in silence. Best run ever.

[plain fossil]

I cant imagine getting to cerb without a sprint boost tbf, i should try without it

Do u guys not click those?

[shy summit]

it's more manageable with the base sprint speed changes

[sour cape]

its kinda fine if you can dodge behind him

[west rain]

what i'm getting from this conversation is that scylla has different songs

[plain fossil]

As a side note i really dont like passion dash in this game it makes me play like an idiot

[calm maple]

"different" songs

[signal robin]

is the judgement card worth it

[sour cape]

no

[plain fossil]

No

[west rain]

which one is judgement

[tired fulcrum]

Omega no

[sour cape]

too random and running without arcanas bad

[civic ocean]

YOU YOU'RE SUCH A MESS THAT LITTLE DRESS LOOKS LIKE ITS FROM THE- takes 2000 damage from Hearthrob bomb

[jade cairn]

Both of her songs sound the same. It took me a few runs to notice they are different.

[plain fossil]

Its fun tho

[signal robin]

get 3 random cards every boss

but you can only start out with 3 cards

[civic ocean]

In what way does Mel's dress at all look like garbage

[plain fossil]

I mean the first time she sings claw out your eyes she says she's going to sing it before the fight

[plain fossil]

Idk but im pretty sure arachne is offended

[west rain]

maybe they don't like orange

[civic ocean]

It looks like something died in her hair? Her hair is short!

[calm maple]

While we're at it, "Drown you to death"?

Is there another kind?

[zenith bolt]

the sea animals mentioned in I'm Gonna Claw are:

crab, octopus, shark, jellyfish (all 4 of these are well-known sea animals)
urchin (spiky dudes. still sea animals), marlin (spear-lookin fish), sawfish, charybdis (mythological sea monster)
bass (type of fish), sturgeon (type of fish), charp (a fish in hades 1), hippocampus (not the part of the brain, the mythological horse-fish thing)
knucklehead (a type of trout, which is a fish), scuffer (a fish in hades 1), slavug (a fish in hades 1), whale (not a fish, but still a sea animal)

[shy summit]

it is like saying "kill you to death"

[west rain]

her circlet does kinda have a face on it.

(oUo) kinda looks like this

[civic ocean]

This reminds me of my favourite point of pedantry

people say all the time that something electrocuted them, but that is not true because electrocution necessarily includes lethality

[west rain]

what is the proper terminology? that's actually really interesting

[zenith bolt]

so all 16 animals mentioned are either
a) actual real life sea animals
b) fish from hades 1
c) mythological aquatic creatures

[civic ocean]

I figured there was a trick to it yeah

[zenith bolt]

i did not know there was a mythological creature called hippocampus until now

[civic ocean]

man this guide looks bad I think

graphic design is not my passion

Just gonna stick to the spreadhseet I think

[bleak night]

their design in God of War was kinda amazing, too

[west rain]

my favorite hades 1 guide was https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-build-guide

and it's all text

[sage kraken]

yep that's my bible for Hades 1 too

[civic ocean]

Mine is a pdf but I think its too crowded

[sage kraken]

in the age of video guide, a well concised text guide is such a boon

[civic ocean]

Im just gonna stick to the spreadsheet

[west rain]

why is everything a freaking video

[sage kraken]

it gets you money

[civic ocean]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/e/2PACX-1vS73iWzIxaOupBwoVUJPjxtmSJEtrlTnLh9GFJzTYblncgPo7Ka1J08JG7r-4k6qEPwOJWH_xfp4al2/pubhtml#

Also making videos is fun

[west rain]

sure but when i want info now without sitting through a whole video when i could just spend 10 seconds searching for the specific factoid in an article it's not fun for me

[civic ocean]

Well now you can do it in a google sheet

I'll add my other weapon strats later

[tired fulcrum]

I wonder when the balance patch is coming out

[zenith bolt]

sgg still needs another 3 weeks to nerf momus into the ground i think

[tired fulcrum]

Rip antler momus

[west rain]

not to be picky but any chance we can get a dark mode version.

or a share link with only viewer permissions so i can copy it and change the settings myself

[zenith bolt]

on a more serious note, it's probably mixture of "there's a lot to balance" and the extent of bug fixing that they need to do

[civic ocean]

Wtf is a dark mode version can u even do that on spreadsheets

If so then it should be dark mode

Its hades

[forest veldt]

dark reader extension good for google sheets. not rly a fan of setting background to black since rest of site doesn't change

[west rain]

yeah i guess it's an extension. that explains a lot about all lthe lbinding google sheets i've seen

[civic ocean]

oh so its not on my end then

[west rain]

nope

"Toula's Death Defiance puts you above White Antler."

what does above White Antler mean?

nevermind i'm dumb

[blazing plinth]

are you supposed to take damage during the skull's specials? fighting the cyclops i was having issues bc if i tried to dash through the waves it would still damage me which made collecting the skulls even harder 😭

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah unless you omega

[civic ocean]

The base special dash for the skulls has no i-frames, if I understand it right

[river wadi]

Does Blitz triggered by the same attack that apply it?

[civic ocean]

nyet

[river wadi]

Ok

[zenith bolt]

no, the only case where you can kinda do this is with medea

2 attacks (or 1 attack that hits harder) + zeus special will have the special hit, inflict blitz, and then the attack(s) will do their damage and proc it

[bleak night]

It's just so unlucky https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1242355638894596206/image.png?ex=664d895a&is=664c37da&hm=35070e92f77e39067c734b8bb606359a0c55c44d255f463693951100bd914039&

[tired fulcrum]

Are you savestating in case rng is ass

[bleak night]

nah, i do it from scratch and just try new builds out

rn I'm just foregoing Zeus and going Hera-Dem and Apollo

I should probably savestate if I find a lucky run like a Chaos dd

[pastel elm]

theres a dem boon that limits the dmg you take to 15. does it essentially trivialize the hard labor vow? ive never had it activated before

[plain fossil]

Coarse grit trivializes a lot of things

[tired fulcrum]

Yep you can face tank a lot with it

[merry flint]

mfw i accidently brick my build by calling a 4th god past the limit and removing my core god from my pool

why can't we pick a 4th god man

[willow phoenix]

Any fun Hephaestus attack/special build? I wonder how low the blast cd can get

[zenith bolt]

if you plan on just like fully leaning into it (regardless of if it's actually good or not), there's the heph/hestia duo

blast cd goes down to 2s minimum iirc

[tired fulcrum]

Rip

[bleak night]

bruh, but why.

[tired fulcrum]

Is this a W

[distant ocean]

yeah, why lol

[bleak night]

After about 27 attempts, I've finally done it. gg. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1242358633489240115/image.png?ex=664d8c24&is=664c3aa4&hm=8e3f04fdc1c470b380733089215ac96c6fd6e75412d5390ca172617d3b38a4ff& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1242358061931167835/Melinoe_Wins_by_Doing_Absolutely_Nothing.mp4?ex=664d8b9b&is=664c3a1b&hm=f258af12be51aa6b09fa3bef68497164f9288b0183f80699659ad686281ddccf

[distant ocean]

w

[forest veldt]

grats, would have though hera zeus better

[zenith bolt]

"time can seem to pass-" yup it does do that

[merry flint]

i just kinda lost track i thought i had poseidon demeter not poseidon aphrodite demeter and called heph and then i didn't get a single poseidon boon after

[forest veldt]

it does dmg even if misses? thats nice interaction

[distant ocean]

I know that this is amazing holy beans reflect damage chronos kill but I learned that standing near a wall can freak over chronos dash at certain angles, there's some legitimate strategy going through my head after seeing that lol.. who knew

[zenith bolt]

chronos randomly dashing into a corner, funny

[delicate ingot]

omg didnt know i needed this but thats insanely funny

[distant ocean]

it's bad for you because you want to get hit, but my god, walls are so good in this fight. they even destroy balls.

[bleak night]

I'm finally free to play actual meme builds

[distant ocean]

I mean this is pretty meme, and well freakin dun dude

even had one DD left, ez game

[bleak night]

I had to swap out of Zeus in order to win

[merry flint]

Chronos targeting is pretty scuffed huh

[bleak night]

I like how standing still makes him just miss almost everything

[zenith bolt]

tbf i dont think in QA they were like "yeah the average player is gonna stand completely still and let chronos hit them"

[distant ocean]

@bleak night whats the close call legendary again?

[bleak night]

Hermes +1 dd

[distant ocean]

Oh yeaa

[zenith bolt]

+1 dd that slows time by 80% iirc

[distant ocean]

what'd you swap into

[bleak night]

Apollo and Hera, still needed Dem in order to get Coarse Grit

I tried full Queen's Ransom and I tried Zeus + Hera revenge, but somehow this one does it in my first go with it lol

so in essence, best revenge build rn is Apollo + Hera

[merry flint]

apollo has daze on reflect right

plus damage obv

[distant ocean]

sweet. i thought the first run was apollo hera

[bleak night]

if the minions hit you, everything gets Dazed, even Chronos

and if they miss while dazed, they take damage from another boon

[forest veldt]

looked like the miss still causes dmg, not sure what dodge chance is but seems good since no healing. ah maybe was daze miss dmg

[bleak night]

I had this + Hermes dodge rate

[distant ocean]

shweet, what was your echo

hp? or daje?

[bleak night]

I also got lucky and got Hera-Dem duo early, so I was able to get a rank 4 Arachne keepsake and then I just played safe the whole way

[bleak night]

I got Dem and she gave me Coarse Grit

[merry flint]

i saw you had her dress all the way to the boss lmao

[distant ocean]

nice

[bleak night]

Yeah, I played it safe the whole way so I can get as much armour to facetank as possible

[distant ocean]

an absolute legend

[bleak night]

all this for a meme victory

[distant ocean]

tempted to get banned spamming it in every other channel

lol

[bleak night]

I'm stopping myself, yeah

[merry flint]

major update coming month

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[bleak night]

oh, when did they say that ?

[distant ocean]

Dude i'd be happy with just one new god and like slightly faster axe nd torch stagger.

maybe double dash specifically and only for artemis, and invuln on persephone.

[zenith bolt]

they could literally just add minor torch buffs as the whole update and id still be happy

[tired fulcrum]

Nice hopium

[distant ocean]

lol

[bleak night]

hopium Axe fixes

[zenith bolt]

invuln on persephone in what sense? omega special is already invuln

[distant ocean]

sorry, involn on medea, regular dashes

[zenith bolt]

true

at least give me some iframes during the ram itself so i dont take contact damage from enemies that do contact damage

[tired fulcrum]

Maybe if its like really short

[zenith bolt]

i stg it's impossible to hit the boulder dudes in mourning fields with medea without taking damage

[tired fulcrum]

moment

[distant ocean]

thinking about it yeah.. it would be really op

shield was also op tho

[tired fulcrum]

A bit too op

[distant ocean]

[zenith bolt]

or just give special on skull contact damage immunity in general

theres not that many enemies that have it

[tired fulcrum]

Also make medea able to hit water noodles

[zenith bolt]

that too

make the hitbox on the ram just a tad bigger on the front so it can reliably hit them

[merry flint]

i meant update sized update sorry about that

and i lost to chronos phase 2 because of unreactable disc FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

[zenith bolt]

it's not unreactable

[merry flint]

melee is so much harder agagagag

[bleak night]

unironically, standing still makes that thing miss lol

[distant ocean]

i've beaten that horse to death i think lol

[bleak night]

man, what do I play now

[merry flint]

not so much help when i'm standing where it spawns

for a bricked build i got close though

[bleak night]

Oh, if the build was bricked then not much can be done

[distant ocean]

zeus sprint build?

with all the bolts

[merry flint]

poseidon attack and chaos attack boost as my only attack boons

[zenith bolt]

actually i wonder if standing to chronos' right is a consistent way to avoid the boomerang without needing to look at him and see the telegraph

[merry flint]

hurrah

[cunning dove]

Whats bugged about the axe?

[distant ocean]

i'm hugging walls

oh yeah thanatos still bugged :B

[zenith bolt]

i usually just stay on him most of the fight anyway but circling uhhh clockwise? i think that would be correct? would work

[zenith bolt]

it's thanatover. millions must charon

[bleak night]

Psychic and Advancing Whirlwind don't increase your crit rate up more than once

[cunning dove]

Ahh rip. Hopefully fixed soon ye

[merry flint]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1233146305308528650/1242365410880262164/image.png?ex=664d9273&is=664c40f3&hm=9f5b1302dab091de0e3a4c68aac7b0bed88abf1fdd0f5c77bab327cb5dd31f29&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=742&height=417

GAME PLEASE I JUST WANT A NORMAL ATTACK BOON AAAAAAAAAAAA

[zenith bolt]

nuh uh

[bleak night]

usually people would be really happy to get Boundless lol

[viscid rain]

Is Aspect of Circe good? I can't figure out if Serenity is good to justify it

[bleak night]

not for your build ig

[zenith bolt]

it's arguably the worst aspect in the game right now

[bleak night]

People find Serenity to be really underwhelming, tbh

[tired fulcrum]

Hammer moment

[zenith bolt]

mel aspect with basically any magick regen boon is gonna be doing what circe aspect does, but better

[viscid rain]

darn, so for staff, is Momus or Melinoe the better one?

[tired fulcrum]

Momus momus and momus

[merry flint]

Momus beats the arsenal

[jovial cove]

For a weapon that doesn't use mana serenity is worthless
for a weapon that uses mana 21 hits is a lot and you're better off just getting a good mana gen boon

[zenith bolt]

momus is the better one (arguably the best aspect in the game)

[viscid rain]

what boons go with it? The percentage ones?

[zenith bolt]

poseidon special, double moonshot hammer ideally

it generally speaking just kinda shreds

[merry flint]

resetting seed now

[viscid rain]

I don't get Double Moonshot. So you just spam regular special instead of Omega?

[zenith bolt]

yeah.

[tired fulcrum]

Yes

[viscid rain]

Interesting. I'll have to try it out

[tired fulcrum]

Like your base special is 40 power with the aspect maxed

And you can spam it approx 4 times a second

[warped harness]

is there any way to share screenshots? i want someone to look at my charon axe build

i need advice 😔

[merry flint]

you can post links

[jovial cove]

double moonshot is literally doubling your power

[twin lark]

i wonder if gooning and spooning the full moon and attacking with lardinous and prime will up my spinag p sec

[warped harness]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/578999400362278917/1242366973170421821/image.png?ex=664d93e8&is=664c4268&hm=b5f7f5360f873a561d0a6e80681641edcc9484ecb37b5469b67fa4431685a621& like this?

ok yea that works, i wanna run apollo cast if possible

[tired fulcrum]

Im part of reroll gang personally

[sudden scaffold]

hitch (hera) works pretty well with momus if you get the hammer that makes the special bounce between enemies

[warped harness]

i love rerolls tho i ran less bc im also running like 20 heat and ik erebus is a nightmare 😭

[bleak night]

Can anyone suggest meme builds to go for ?

[warped harness]

hestia special pan

[bleak night]

I've tried that one before and people unironically use that one lol

[warped harness]

dang

[pale marten]

Any tips for Charon aspect on the axe? I know charge cast effects are great for it but I am wondering what is the best one.

[tired fulcrum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1218621088049659930/1242277747909197935/Hades_II_2024-05-20_17-46-15.mp4?ex=664d40cf&is=664bef4f&hm=c39516bc33b0fba245c9e5a1080060d001f7b2bfbf6f6bf3287df61cfca17f96& uhh you can abuse funeral pyre bug

[merry flint]

nothing beats apollo cast

orbital laser

[bleak night]

Apollo Omega Cast + Zeus lightning lance and Zeus Special + Apollo-Zeus Duo and the Apollo legendary

[tired fulcrum]

Apollo, get his duo with zeus, and also get duo with dem if feeling lucky

[warped harness]

what if you go for apollo daze/hermes aphrodite and the dodge% arcana, max evasion

[forest veldt]

axe special spam, not omega, w/ pos special

[warped harness]

thats evil

[merry flint]

you can get by with just Apollo cast and Zeus/Hestia throw cast

[forest veldt]

dps actually not bad tbh

[jovial cove]

aphrodite dash on your choice of blades. Don't use anything but the dash blast

[merry flint]

you just need a way to target enemies and hit them with the special cast

[bleak night]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1238124170282532944/1238501379698458720/Drill_Axe.mp4?ex=663f83cb&is=663e324b&hm=9266711a07891c244e5f52393859995158430d9bd38497c2b0dcd6abf954703e

[forest veldt]

dang beat me to it

[jovial cove]

embed fail fail

[tired fulcrum]

Did you not get kings tide lol

[merry flint]

you have that auto attack option on huh

[bleak night]

nah I'm just spamming the button

[pale marten]

I thought the duo with Apollo and Zeus would be an anti synergy because it would proc only when you charge up your cast and continuously do damage. (I haven’t picked up the duo before so I am just going off of the description.)

[tired fulcrum]

It also procs when you blow it up with special

[glossy rivet]

it seems that HAHA YES works on poms

[tired fulcrum]

Blowing up the regular cast

[pale marten]

Does it stack you if cast again and blow it up?

[bleak night]

HAHA YESSS!

[tired fulcrum]

Wdym stack?

[pale marten]

Like activate the effect even if it’s already going.

[tired fulcrum]

You can only cast again once apollo effect ends

[glossy rivet]

YESSSS HAHAA also works on coins

[pale marten]

Oh forgot about that whoops 😅

[bleak night]

I kinda wish I can bind dash to more than one button

I'd like to bind it to a shoulder button + a button on my mouse

[glossy rivet]

narc keepsake heroic'd my double up

HAHAHAA YESS on my soul tonic

[bleak night]

what is that when Heroic? 40 ?

[glossy rivet]

35%

[bleak night]

pretty good

[novel maple]

Ghost Onion best keepsake, don't change my mind

[warped harness]

ghost onion?

[novel maple]

the one that heals you for nothing 🙃

[bleak night]

fully heals you when you exit the location up to an amount

[tame vector]

I could use a buff

[bleak night]

what buff ?

[tame vector]

Ghost onion

[novel maple]

probably could heal through lasting consequences

[bleak night]

I think it does, yeah

[novel maple]

currently it does not

wait, it should. i have to test. cuz it heals till you got 100 health or so back

i guess it does not work if you have 100% reduced heal though

[bleak night]

I feel like it should bypass that as a keepsake

[novel maple]

yeah. it also is just worse lucky tooth atm

lucky tooth heals to 101 iirc? and ghost onion to 100

[bleak night]

Yeah, def needs a buff then

[glossy rivet]

can HAHA YES work on fishing?

[tired fulcrum]

Doubt it

[glossy rivet]

DAMN
i need poseidon to YESSS HAHAAAA my voidskate catch

[bleak night]

Nope

[glossy rivet]

tfw

[bleak night]

He's so whimsical for someone at war

[glossy rivet]

what kind of god of the sea doesnt bless my fishing into two fishes smh

[rich oxide]

Any good Aspect of pan builds?

[bleak night]

He doesn't bless so you can ask him for help in getting the one fish, then praising him for getting that very same one fish

[bleak night]

Poseidon Special seems to be the main go-to for it

The aspect itself is pretty dependent on what hammers you get

[rich oxide]

Would Pos + Aphro Duo be good?

[rich oxide]

Mainly hook knives

[bleak night]

I forgot what their duo was, let me check

[glossy rivet]

is it island getaway

[rich oxide]

Yep

[bleak night]

Island Getaway seems pretty good, yeah, can run Aphro Special as well in that case

Not too into the Sister Blades, so I'm not too sure what works and what doesn't

[rich oxide]

Ok, well a question more in your specialty. My friend wants to main moon axe and needs a build, I'm not familiar with Moonstone Axe so any good builds?

[bleak night]

What aspect is your friend playing ?

[rich oxide]

He doesn't even have it yet he's like 20 mins into the game

[bleak night]

tell your friend that Aphro and Apollo on attack are great to start on it, Apollo for wider AoE and generally safer gameplay, Aphro for raw damage. Demeter on Cast will help you a lot, too

[rich oxide]

What aspect would you recommend?

[bleak night]

Axe is pretty hard to get into, especially because the real movement for it you kinda need to practice/lab

[bleak night]

Mel is the best if you're going for the basic swings and the Big Chop, Than is the best if you prioritize whirling builds, and Charon is pretty much its own things, long range and area denial type gameplay

I personally play Than the most, but I'm open to playing Charon and Mel sometimes

probs get your friend to chat here when he has it, since it's hard to get the Axe down without learning the animation cancels and stuff

[long pollen]

so uh, what's the odds that the strongest build in the game for raw dps involves Daze

[rich oxide]

Thanks

[long pollen]

i was doing something like 500 damage per right click with an un-hammered aspect of momus using poseidon

because of the backstab damage bonus from the apollo boon

[bleak night]

Oooh

Probably unnecessary dps, but I can see it help in melting

[long pollen]

it applies to both the normal special and the damage from poseidon's special

[bleak night]

I have a soft spot for Daze since it helped me do a Luigi kill earlier

[long pollen]

and then you add the slip mult on top of that

[bleak night]

Can probs ask the speedrunner discord on it since they like to push Momus to its limits, but I doubt an Apollo detour for Daze is something they particularly think about since they like to run low HP White Antler + Strength

[forest veldt]

most % dmg is additive, daze backstab is 50% iirc so nice but idk if best since harder to apply

[long pollen]

daze backstab on epic is 100%

i think 125% on heroic

you can just get hit once to apply daze via light smite also

[tired fulcrum]

Athena in shambles

[forest veldt]

its not bad, his sprint is good for speed and gives daze so free if u get both but dont think worth going for if u dont get naturally

[zenith bolt]

or dash with apollo sprint

i usually take his sprint if it shows up just bc i like the added speed and daze is always nice

[tame vector]

Should there be a speed running channel?

[bleak night]

there's an entire Discord for it already, so probs not

[tame vector]

Oh wow

It's own whole universe

[timber fractal]

Have you done an axe chop run/

[bleak night]

I did one without an attack boon lol https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/450385622176235540/1240822103029321758/GET_CHOPPED.mp4?ex=6647f522&is=6646a3a2&hm=eeee51418249d953cea30e9c4dd38a1744496a92acf14a75e8cc99cac62d4d78

[timber fractal]

imagine it with an aphro boon MY GOD

[bleak night]

I'm running the Hera-Heph duo that boosts my attack by 200%

it's only if I have no boon attached to the Attack slot that it takes effect

so I'm doing more damage than an Aphro smack, pretty much

[timber fractal]

ah i getcha

[muted spade]

Torrential Downpour + Lucid Gain + almost any hex, but mine was lunar ray with the prominence addon. sooo fun and absolutely melted ||granddad||. also this was with twin blades aspect of mel

[timber fractal]

whats the most typical momus build?

[bleak night]

Poseidon stack

[forest veldt]

its just double hammer w/ pos special. get 2nd curse and pos legendary and ur set

[timber fractal]

fair, i have bad luck and didnt get double moonshot twice

[forest veldt]

ya its a bit annoying to get the hammer but its literally x2 dmg. can do wo/ but not as nice. forskaing kinda mandatory if u want a chance at the legnedary. helps remove some rng

[toxic cypress]

@bleak night btw is it me or do the crits not go up if you have the hammer that makes the swirls go away from you

[bleak night]

It's bugged, so is Psychic Whirlwind

can't do much about it atm but wait for em to patch it, since it's been reported a fair bit already

[timber fractal]

what happens if you get uncommon grace but it itself isnt common

[bleak night]

idt it counts itself, but I could be wrong

[timber fractal]

is there a way to check if a boon is active?

[toxic cypress]

what's psychic whirlwind

[bleak night]

only infusions have that notification

[bleak night]

It's when you can let a whirlwind activate, but you're still free to attack, special, etc

It's one of the best ones for Axe since you can block while doing Omega Attack, but it's still kinda buggy for Thanatos rn

[zenith bolt]

remember kids, always gamble on icarus https://i.imgur.com/EIOttFn.png

[sand olive]

does coarse grit activate before or after damage taken vows?

[forest veldt]

pretty sure after, so after all changes to dmg, if more than 15 it becomes 15

[bleak night]

after, though it also ignores your damage reduction boons if the damage is above 15 in that case

I tried having that + Poseidon primer and it was still only 15 instead of 12 or something

[sand olive]

good to hear, given that i'm in the 24 fear ygnium mines

[bleak night]

Hera-Dem is pretty good on Eos, so have at it

[sand olive]

i've mostly been trying to run poseidon or hestia

[pastel elm]

is there a way to avoid the third big dunk on the axe besides just not attacking? like how youd special/cast for the sword in h1

[bleak night]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1238124170282532944/1238142681339662427/Axe_no_third_hit.mp4?ex=663e35ba&is=663ce43a&hm=96d5fe1e8bb5fddbcc2e93f11f2e94030eafd6926352a398d69a84bb55754484

[pastel elm]

it doesnt work for me. does the axe have to not be upgraded?

[bleak night]

Oh, yeah it's kinda weird.

Sometimes it allows you to, sometimes it doesn't. If anything, try to just tap Special after the 2nd hit and it should revert back to swing 1

don't need to 3rd swing then cancel

[merry flint]

YEAHH HAHAHAH

Double Up gave me an extra Selene hex right when I ran out of points to get Moon Water Conservation upgrade right before cerberus

[zenith bolt]

ig i can stockpile nightmare while i wait for updates https://i.imgur.com/vcci1IX.png

[bleak night]

how much nmare is it again to max an aspect

[merry flint]

8 i think

[zenith bolt]

7

[bleak night]

alright, time to farm 40

assuming the hidden ones also need them, if not then I'm screwing myself over

[warped harness]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/578999400362278917/1242388876878676011/image.png?ex=664da84e&is=664c56ce&hm=3da157bff160556c016d2433b2689919cb87c7026fc3516d27c1775835db4240& uh, is that just the same?

[zenith bolt]

i guess if you wanted to be like maximally prepared it'd be 8x7 more to farm out? 2 aspects for 6th weapon and 6 hidden aspects for all weapons

[bleak night]

that used to increase the number of times Toula can fish for you instead of you using a rod, idk tbh. How much does it say on Soul Bond Rank II on the bottom there

[warped harness]

25% as well

[bleak night]

lol

[zenith bolt]

maybe worth

[warped harness]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/578999400362278917/1242389174380789811/image.png?ex=664da895&is=664c5715&hm=b150e05578bf058cf0e92ccdfbfb8e9be730de00bbc4645569f56addc51dd796& dawg im being robbed

like the pitch black stone trials are a fun distraction from fear malding but cmon 😭

[bleak night]

just feed the biscuit until max

[warped harness]

thats what i plan on doin

[bleak night]

I'll need to cook up some more biscuits in case they add more familiars

Though I can see them adding one for pickaxe and another for shovel

[zenith bolt]

my silver supply has finally recovered from farming mel aspects up to rank v forever ago https://i.imgur.com/ipnybyb.png

[merry flint]

Atleast I got Scalding Vapor on a run finally

i love scalding vapor its so good

[tame vector]

We really gotta get a money and resource sink for next patch or we are going to flood the materials economy

[merry flint]

luckily capitalism won't be invented for the next few millenia i think we'll be fine

[slate pecan]

hi, heard there's a speedrunning discord server, could i get an invite please? or do i have to prove myself worthy first?

[small wyvern]

you can check out the pins in #self-promotion to see the invite

[zenith bolt]

woo beat 32 fear axe

[bleak night]

nice

was it that Charon run from earlier ?

[zenith bolt]

#h2-victory-boasting

not the same run as previous

i wasnt watching his hp bar and was very surprised when he just keeled over

[bleak night]

nice Charon run though, you got all the boons you needed

when I play Charon, I sometimes just do the Omega Special first, then set down the lightning lance cast

that way I can ensure my target isn't walking away from the Apollo cast blast

[zenith bolt]

i like casting first because it's less commital

[bleak night]

I kinda wish there was more than one build to play Charon Axe well, but I suppose I can test stuff out

[bleak night]

that's fair, yeah

[warped harness]

i think there just need to be more post cast erupt boons

[zenith bolt]

crap i forgot to list the chaos +66% cast damage i got

[bleak night]

ooh

[warped harness]

theres like 2, and one is really bad. idk if more gods will be implemented but itd be nice to see another cast person

tho apollo is kind of all over the place as well

[zenith bolt]

i took chaos 3 times by mid-oceanus, i was begging for health all the way up to tartarus 😭

[warped harness]

being both an attack and cast focused god who also happens to have a blinding effect but on like, just the sprint?

[zenith bolt]

theres a boon to apply daze on attack (after you have his attack boon)

also he has that revenge boon that also inflicts daze on the whole room

[bleak night]

I'm playing Charon a lot more rn since I want to master the retreating Shield Blast technique a lot more, it's hard to do it every time

[warped harness]

ah ok

[novel maple]

what's that technique?

[queen charm]

been wanting to use an Apollo cast build for Melinoe staff but it's not as good as Charon axe

[novel maple]

whenever i play charon i get pummeled in the omega animation

[bleak night]

you know how when you dash as you unleash Special Omega, you can't turn ?

[warped harness]

thats what the retreating shield blast helps mitigate

[ionic lily]

thanatos axe and persephone skull are my choice for non-charon cast builds

[bleak night]

If you, while holding special, press attack, you can reorient the direction you toss out the Shield Blast

I can get a video, hold on.

[novel maple]

if i dash away my attack goes in the wrong direction

[queen charm]

Storm Ring however is really fun on Mel staff

[zenith bolt]

glorious disaster feels like kinda mandatory unless you get like heroic solar ring on charon axe

[bleak night]

actually instead of getting a vid can I just stream it over VC ?

[novel maple]

waaait, so i dash away, and then attack in the correct direction?

no, i am at work KEKW

[bleak night]

ah rip

[zenith bolt]

bc with the solar ring i had (rare lvl 2), glorious disaster was literally like 70% of my damage

[bleak night]

Pajama, you record with gamebar, right ?

[zenith bolt]

nope, i use OBS

[bleak night]

Ah, I see. Gamebar sometimes just doesn't work until I restart the game, so I have to make sure I've restarted before the Chronos fight all the time

[novel maple]

i've been trying poseidon cast. but it feels a bit underwhelming

[queen charm]

yeah because with both, you gotta charge the casts, then wait for them to expire to get the effect

with Charon you can just O-special to get the effect

[novel maple]

no, poseidon is instant, but it's still meh

[queen charm]

oh, I thought it worked when the ring expires which is why it works with Charon

just not as good as Solar Ring

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1242405242545377340/Retreating_shield_blast.mp4?ex=664db78c&is=664c660c&hm=98032ba6dfed9bc9936a0488e7fd97827c6094174b15e78aee8c3dbf8761fba2&

[warped harness]

i kinda wish poseidon's cast pulsed multiple times but thatd probably be too similar to apollo

[novel maple]

yooo

this makes the aspect so much better

[queen charm]

the duo it has with Hephaestus is cool, but still nowhere near as strong as Solar Ring/Glorious Disaster

[novel maple]

or would apply splash, or sth

[queen charm]

wait 👀

[warped harness]

are you pressing attack right after your dash? how fast does it need to be?

i wanna learn these axe combos but my dexterity is horrid lol

[bleak night]

Hold special the entire time, don't drop it, then do a dash attack, aim your mouse/tilt your control stick towards where you came from or wherever you wanna aim it at

even as I do the dash, I hold onto Special

[warped harness]

im gonna have to rebind special or smth for that

or do claw, i dont think rolling would be reliable

[bleak night]

are you on controller ?

[warped harness]

yeah i am

[glossy rivet]

What other cards do u activeate if bringing judgment?

[bleak night]

when I play Axe on full controller, my right hand is in a claw position

[glossy rivet]

Does it also stack with crystal figurine?

[warped harness]

claw is too uncomfortable for me, maybe its the gamepad itself thats the problem

[bleak night]

Random 5 cards, also probs don't run crystal figurine

[bleak night]

Might be a good idea to get used to putting dash on a shoulder button to remove finger stress

[glossy rivet]

I mean like
Judgment card start, what are the other 3 cards to turn on?

[warped harness]

thats what i was thinking, dash or special onto the bumper

[glossy rivet]

Im think artificer and boon reroll and dd for judgment start

[bleak night]

Up to you, but I always have Sorceress and Death Defiances on, the last one idk too much, maybe Champions ?

[glossy rivet]

Ayy

[bleak night]

or start playing my disgusting controller setup instead

[warped harness]

either all the stuff for max rerolls or dd reroll and another boon you like personally

[warped harness]

i could give claw more of a shot but id have to relearn a lot

[bleak night]

Oh, I mean Left Joycon + Mouse with buttons on the sides

[warped harness]

i dont think i have words to express how i felt reading that

[bleak night]

My movement and aim are crisp, but my brain has pretty much rotted

[warped harness]

keep cooking

[worn bolt]

what are the best daedalus hammers for argent skull ?

[bleak night]

what aspect ?

[worn bolt]

i dont have aspects yet lol. im in erebus rn getting bronze for it

[bleak night]

Ah, Full Salvo and the one that gives you 2 bonus ammo are pretty good for Mel Skull

[worn bolt]

word

[pastel elm]

i like the one with less ammo but they return automatically. truthfully its sometimes a matter of seeing/finding the ammo on screen rather than being umable to retrieve it

[worn bolt]

tru i also find myself losing the skulls a lot in oceanus

[delicate spindle]

Yea, either full salvo and + 2 ammo or Auto return + 2 ammo

[glossy rivet]

what aspect needs the most nightmare investment?

[delicate spindle]

Momus and Charon imo

[bleak night]

probs Than because it's kinda useless at low ranks

[delicate spindle]

Thanatos if you want to go full Beyblade build

[glossy rivet]

i also have eos and moros at rank IV

[bleak night]

probs rank up Eos first. Moros has collision issues

[glossy rivet]

persephone and medea at rank iv
charon at rank iv, i already maxxed out thanaxe at least

"Such power in the break of dawn"

k time to do judgment momsus

[bleak night]

What 3 cards are you running ?

[viscid rain]

I still don't get Sacrifice Boon. Is it worth getting or is very niche?

Edit: Hera's Family Trade boon I mean

[paper condor]

Is it just me or are Chaos boons much bette in this game?

[zenith bolt]

it's ok if you have a boon you want to get rid of and like gambling

[zenith bolt]

chaos is goated in this game

[bleak night]

Chargetime reduction saves me

[sudden scaffold]

it can be useful if you've gotten a non-optimal boon and you want to trade it later on for a better on
eg. rare hestia on special -> get sacrifice boon -> get poseidon -> trade rare hestia for epic poseidon

[merry flint]

I got offered King Tide and Scalding Vapor from the same boon with Vow of Forsaking active, which to pick?

[paper condor]

I feel like many times i'd go for a chaos gate over any other god, and whenever i see the charon item that spawns chaos gates i'd go for it if i got the money

[merry flint]

i have 3 rolls left

[zenith bolt]

king tide imo

[merry flint]

...the roll put king tide and scalding vapor again

man i just want to beat chronos with scalding vapor...

i took king's tide

[bleak fox]

Sorry for the question but how to make a gift to Echo?

[merry flint]

wait after you talk to her

[bleak fox]

Ah, nvm

I was sure that I need to make a gift BEFORE the talk, and he is the only one who need the opposite

[merry flint]

Echo echoes you its a bit weird

[lament kestrel]

yeah chaos is an always take

[midnight gate]

Usually, i dont take chaos in tartarus cause the curse wont end before chronos

[plain fossil]

Im not sure ive ever seen chaos in tartarus

[midnight gate]

You can force it with a well

[bleak night]

you can by forcing it with the Spark

[woeful wadi]

What vows do y'all like to take for 20 fear Aspect of Thanatos?

[short hare]

i cant seem to be good enough to sustain it ngl

[bleak night]

you can manage with more enemies and more spawnrates with Than considering the weapon is AoE

[bleak night]

sustain what? The crit rate it gives ?

[short hare]

ye i love taking damage and getting hit.

[bleak night]

Try going for defensive casts that make you less likely to get hit as you charge or spin

[stoic ridge]

zeus cast on thanatos axe gaurentees a fast crit recharge

[glossy rivet]

artificer, death defiance, boon reroll

[plain fossil]

U can probably get away without clicking death defiance on judgement runs right

And try to hit it off the judgement proc

[glossy rivet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/643633434228686874/1242426690290974720/image.png?ex=664dcb86&is=664c7a06&hm=a795551fb3ced16390007e16801bc012a2dee30288d63e34b5aa643a34538005& which two of these should i max out first

[woeful wadi]

I'll try that

[ruby wind]

Zeus omega cast with aspect of thanatos is 20% crit chance all the time

it is so overpowered that you just need to start with zeus cast and then get whatever attack you get after or wait till the next zone

Just easily finished fear 20 with it

[glossy rivet]

do you just spam omega attacks with artemis dagger using born gain? does that work lol

[sterile yew]

it works yeah

For Artemis I generally build around the first hammer I get then the cycle is parry > w/e deals damage between attack and special > repeat

[glossy rivet]

Guess ill max out Artemis dagger then

[sterile yew]

it's comfy

[glossy rivet]

Do any ticks of damage count as potential crits?

[ionic lily]

I'd max Artemis & Persephone first personally

[glossy rivet]

9 hits after parry can be crits
Shouldn't i shotgun or do another onega attack for big damage after parrying

[sterile yew]

9 hits and anything can crit afaik

[timber frigate]

Ah! Hello. Just joined the server to say this :D

[sterile yew]

yeah that's the idea

[glossy rivet]

Ok so i should avoid hestia

[bleak night]

Oh, you're trying to play with dash on a shoulder button ?

[glossy rivet]

Or like other tiny dot tickers

[sterile yew]

Hestia is pretty damn good on the cast imo. Not so much for attack or special yeah

Also I think gameplay is much more fluid if you don't run the slow time arcana

[glossy rivet]

Wouldnt hestia cast risk wasting the crits on scorch tho

Im gonna do something like hera or aphro big hits
Can heph blast crit?

[sterile yew]

I don't know if it can crit that's a good question. Didn't have the problem tho. You open with cast, parry, damage

[timber frigate]

On my mouse, yep! And have it bound to both mouse button and space.

[bleak night]

Makes sense then, yeah. Just have it on a button you can place one of your other fingers on

[timber frigate]

Tbh it's kind of a bad buttonmashing habit on my part. But still, having the ability to bind to 2 different buttons would be veery welcome

[tall notch]

Left trigger dash best

[bleak night]

yep, I'll have to change that soon though if they add companions tied to the bond levels of some allies, I kinda doubt that they'll just let the pets have that spot

[wet nova]

Yh every game I play with controller I end up using either RT or LT for dash

For Mouse I use RMB dash

[bleak night]

Did you see the Luigi kill I got earlier?

[wet nova]

It just clicks once you start using it, especially cos you essentially have your fingers on those buttons at all times

[wet nova]

Nope where is it?

[bleak night]

#h2-victory-boasting message

[wet nova]

damn you did the complete afk build nice

coarse grit definitely gonna get some fine tuning after that lol

just tanking the 999 damage for fun

[bleak night]

I didn't even need the Hermes dd, apparently

[wet nova]

I wonder does the duo that heals you still heal you if you take miss (dodge the damage) or would that reset the 3s afk timer needed for it

[bleak night]

Phoenix Skin was a bit out of the way, but it's worth a shot

[wet nova]

also h1 had 4 gods max without keepsakes right?

selene is the reason it becomes 3 this game?

[tall notch]

I kinda like 3 gods god pool

[bleak night]

yep

[wet nova]

Its pretty insane for ephyra cos you can basically guarantee what gods you get

I wish duo % was already legendary % in this game, it feels like I rarely get legendaries to ever form a build around them

[carmine lagoon]

How do I get path of stars? I’ve gotten to wastelands but haven’t seen it yet

[lament kestrel]

its when u see selene again

[woeful wadi]

Aspect of Thanatos is kinda bugged. When you take the Hammers that "detaches" the omega attacks from Mel, your omega attacks only count as one hit no matter how many spins it does.

[sharp swan]

Aspect of Pan, Poseidon Special and Zeus cast is utterly ridiculous

I don't even have the backstab and return hammer and it's just killed the sirens in like 30 seconds

[ruby wind]

Just use Zeus Omega cast with aspect of Thanatos and have max crit up in seconds

What is the strongest torch aspect? Im currently really digging the explosions in the aspect of Moros

[delicate spindle]

I am having fun with pure Zeus Eos build with the core boon being the Static Shock and core hammer being the one that splits attacks into 2.

[proven spire]

I like Moros with Hestia Attack, Poseidon Special, and the two cast boons from Hestia. Can build up a lot of scorch pretty quick. If you can get Slip and the Duo for steam it melts.

[ruby wind]

Im using moros with Demeter special and Posiedon attack, since you dont stagger enemies, freezing them works ever better

[bleak fox]

Am I right that currently double hit of Axe Omega Special from the hammer does not stack with Apollo legendary?

[jolly kelp]

There’s a hammer upgrade where u can double the impact of the final hit on the axe for the cost a 20 mana

[tall notch]

+40% Hecate is so miserable with Charon axe without charge speed on special. By the time I place down a cast and charge an omega special, she backs off to do triple divide

[hollow crypt]

anyone know how to Trial of Haste

I just never have enough damage

[vivid fiber]

i did it by spamming omega attacks

[plain fossil]

Ye its tilt hey

I just did this exact thing its so annoying

[tall notch]

Omega attack spam, take every max mana upgrade, play the rooms somewhat safe (don't tank every hit) so that you can go a bit over the timer and survive

[lament kestrel]

get lucky lol

[regal arrow]

What are some good cast and sprint boons?

[lament kestrel]

spam ur omega the entire time, do bosses over full rooms, and take Charon in the middle

[lament kestrel]

apollo cast is good
Demeter sprint, apollo sprint, i like Poseidons too

and u can stack hermes on too

[hollow crypt]

that's what I did but I still ran out of time at 40% Cerbie hp

maybe I need to roll a Slip for more damage

[lament kestrel]

its honestly luck imo

i got hermes death defiance when i did it

[tall notch]

Do you want good casts to omega or good casts to use in builds that don't want to omega them? These are two different things

[regal arrow]

Both for specific builds

Usually I want non-Omegas for daggers and axe. Omegas on others

[tall notch]

For Omega spam Apollo (on Charon axe) > Zeus > Apollo (not on Charon axe) > Poseidon
For non-Omega Demeter > Hestia > Aphro

[plain fossil]

Best non omega for general use is demeter best omega for general use is apollo imo

[regal arrow]

What does Apollo's Omega cast do again?

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927694753116614746/1242462499396390933/20240521140104_1.jpg?ex=664decdf&is=664c9b5f&hm=669baa7ca1d0c903ca85b48a592ee8e5137cacabd3ca0c8916aaa008338d0b99& yoo @plain fossil just managed to clear +40% speed without a single special hammer. Funnily enough I struggled more against Hecate than Chronos

[tall notch]

After it explodes it does a ton of damage

[plain fossil]

Gz u learning charon hammer hey

[regal arrow]

Oh right the multiple light beams

[plain fossil]

Theres also this pure cast spam build that uses poseidon cast

[tall notch]

For general use Omega I like Zeus more, the fact that it's ticking from the very start makes it better outside of boss fights or when the boss has a tendency to move out of your cast

[regal arrow]

What does Zeus' cast do

[tall notch]

It shoots down lightning bolts when you omega it

[plain fossil]

Yea apollo does so much damage tho

And its proper aoe unlike zeus cast

[regal arrow]

Oh just lightning spam like Demeter's hail spam

[tall notch]

I haven't done the math but Zeus might actually be higher dps if an enemy sits in the entire thing. And you can also make it scale better with double lightning bolt boon

[tall notch]

The lightnings are single target

[plain fossil]

Omg kill me seriously this automod

But yea the big thing for me is apollo cast evaporates everything

[tall notch]

I honestly just really like Zeus cast. Also synergises really well with a source of hitch on one of your other moves

[plain fossil]

Zeus omega is kinda actual bad against some things that cast is typically good against like fish etc

[tall notch]

• you can run Dem's cyclone with it

[long hemlock]

fear 24 wands is sucking the soul out of me

[plain fossil]

Also worst cast is hera cast

[ocean quail]

aspect of melinoe torches, triple helix or growing coils?

[tall notch]

Funnily enough it seems to be speedrun meta lol

[tall notch]

I haven't done much Mel so disregard what I say if an actual expert answers, but I'd take triple helix

[plain fossil]

Man im not good enough to play the game if hera cast is somehow meta

Is that like 0 fear speedruns

[tall notch]

It's because it oneshots mobs in Erebus and Oceanus so it's a lot of time save

[plain fossil]

Where the damage deletes incoming waves or something

[tall notch]

Yeah it's for any fear

[ocean quail]

does the coils upgrade affect omega too? @tall notch

[plain fossil]

Right ok those people exist cool

Hera has a home!

[plain fossil]

Triple helix not close

[plain fossil]

Yes

[tall notch]

In hades 1 you ran +40% speed for faster enemy spawns and extreme measures 2 because you could AoE Lernie's heads better in the EM arena. Not sure what's the speedrun meta in Hades 2 but I'd reckon it's also speed and maybe 0 mana start to trigger huntress on certain weapons?

I was never that much of a dedicated speedrunner but I managed to get sub-8 with Hera bow once so that was nice

[plain fossil]

Ye as u might have figured out im like the anti speedrunner lmao

[tall notch]

What's your fastest clear rn? I'm curious

[tall notch]

The wording would suggest it does but I haven't tested

[glossy rivet]

does hell splitter work with the hammer that makes the chop hit twice but use 20 magic?

[plain fossil]

Like 20 minutes with momus?

[tall notch]

Yeah

[plain fossil]

I really hate zooming lul

[glossy rivet]

pog
stacks with extra dose?

sounds like hilarious torture if you cant regain magic though

[plain fossil]

I mean playing with chop is hilarious torture anyway

[sharp swan]

https://tenor.com/view/jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-jjk-fight-jujutsu-kaisen-fight-sukuna-gif-13811197927290673555

Feel like this dude with aspect of pan and apollo omega cast

[tall notch]

I don't like omega casting on Pan, with base charge speed you don't have the time to charge every dagger before it explodes

[sharp swan]

Depends on the hammers for me. The one I just ran I got the ones that did it in a line so I didn't actually need the cast to home in but if I have the 16 knives in a ring then it would suck bad

[brave harbor]

how do you make flames feel good to use in any capacity

[novel maple]

i think you either need to stack it rly fast with the upgrade that deals instant damage at a certain scorch stack, or you apply it with zeus + hestia duo boon and basically just have scorch as a nice add-on

generally requires a lot of investment for mid-payout i feel

[long hemlock]

any god tier andys havew a vow chart for 24 torches? would greatly appreciate it, thanks

[tall notch]

It's weapon and playstyle dependent

[long hemlock]

i understand that i literally have never touched this weapon, i just want a baseline of what ppl have used

[tall notch]

Once I finish my current run I'll try digging in my run history and find the pact I used for my first 24 fear torches for you

[long hemlock]

[tall notch]

After starting with Demeter I am starting to become a Medea believer, btw

[long hemlock]

i do enjoy her as well

[bleak night]

Axe with a 5 min timer is just so impossible it's insane

on high Fear, that is

[glossy rivet]

is death arcana worth it for artemis dagger

[sudden scaffold]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1242473370939953173/1242473389445353572/image.png?ex=664df704&is=664ca584&hm=2c0043e11b42f4a1b462fb76041a154b50643a8836d9d0537ec8e4b4c2641335&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=891&height=636
used this for 24 fear torches + demeter special spam

[tall notch]

Uhh I'm having a bug where my game crashes every time I talk to the shade that lets you check your run history lmao

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927694753116614746/1242476815197671425/image.png?ex=664dfa34&is=664ca8b4&hm=7ac32f6f06597e99c3211786ba04cd1d79b4dfee0820b019c367c59e61b7b1b5& but if I were to do fear 24 eos right now I'd do something like this probably

[small wyvern]

Crash reports are sent automatically as far as I know, but maybe you could report it with F10 with the details as well

[tall notch]

Yeah it tells me the reports auto send so I don't need to

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927694753116614746/1242477093934334043/image.png?ex=664dfa77&is=664ca8f7&hm=97e286cd408ee0e2e1cb23b2c995985334e06579c333a33fa2a3c6c3696589cc&

This is what happens every time I try to check run history

I'll try updating my graphics drivers I guess

[long hemlock]

thanks

[tall notch]

If you particularly dislike any of the vows you can swap them out for something else

[knotty fulcrum]

isn't +30% enemy health not that much? like you can prolly use that without to much of a struggle

[vague ember]

i believe it applies to bosses

[novel maple]

it does

[knotty fulcrum]

Oh didn't think about that tbh. I'd still play that tho in exchange for cheap shop

[vague ember]

so +60% health on chronos and 30% on cerberus is pretty obnoxious

[tall notch]

It slows you down (so it makes tight deadline... tighter) + makes boss fights longer

[tall notch]

When you play boatman you can afford the first midshop even at expensive shop prices so that one is a non-issue imo

[novel maple]

yeah tight deadline seems a lot tougher in hades2 thanks to revenant+extra enemies already

[knotty fulcrum]

I play boatman but idk I just preffer to play without that if possible. Just a personal prefference probably not meta

[tall notch]

If you're not running ridiculously high fear the system allows a lot of flexibility! And as I said before posting the screenshot, a lot of the vows are preference-based

So you could play +20% health, you could play 5 min timer and get rid of revenants, you could play even more damage taken, you could play onion... and so on

[toxic cypress]

no arcana seems brutal

[novel maple]

no reason to run that outside of super high fear or prophecy

[tall notch]

There's also a case for running it if you are in early game and don't have much arcana unlocked anyway but you want to get testaments

It's brutal if you are missing out on a 30 grasp setup, but if you have like 15 and unupgraded arcana there's more punishing things you could be doing for 5 fear

[novel maple]

i ran +spd, 0 mana start, revenants and timer asap, just to get used to it 🙃

granted, i am not sure getting used to 0 mana starts is necessary, as it just forces you into picking the mana regen arcana card, or get gimped by timer

[knotty fulcrum]

I've heard that in this game there are only 3 gods that show up, right? In hades 1 there were 4

[tall notch]

0 mana starts will be the way to go on some weapons as they're a dps increase for them and incredibly punishing on others. For Eos I legit wouldn't run 0 mana in 45 fear

[novel maple]

i run it on every weapon. axe seemed the most punishing for me so far

esp if you activate the shields on enemies

[tall notch]

Torches without born gain loathe 0 mana start, Persephone skull too

[novel maple]

yup

[tall notch]

Mel staff (which isn't ran right now because of Momus being Momus but I legit think it'll become good once that's nerfed) will also hate it

[novel maple]

it's rather restrictive unfortuantely

[tall notch]

I hated 0 mana on daggers too

[novel maple]

i think it should be more than 1 fear tbh

[tall notch]

It needs a redesign IMO, because it's insanely punishing for some weapons and a straight up dps gain for others

[novel maple]

yea

[tall notch]

Just giving it more fear means that no mana builds have even more of an advantage

As if Momus wasn't above and beyond everything else already

[novel maple]

which no mana builds are there aside from momus?

i feel you want mana on everything else

[tall notch]

Medea skull can do it

[novel maple]

i guess it's hammer dependant.
ah right medea can do it consistantly too

[tall notch]

There's also a funny torch build where you start without mana, get every channel speed increase under the sun and rely on flat damage but omega torches are prob better

[knotty fulcrum]

wait what does that do? I don't really get it

[novel maple]

yeah i should probably drop 0mana start for a tighter timer. 7min surface with no mana is too tight

[merry flint]

I did blades manaless at 24 fear but man hades 2 melee is rough

[novel maple]

you just lose a LOT of early damage if you start without mana, and at a tight timer you don't get the time to scale

[tall notch]

If you get the hammer that makes you channel faster at the expense of move speed, spider armor for channel speed and I thiiiiiiink Chaos (not 100% sure if Chaos works haven't tested that much) and rely on passion dash, Zeus' chain lightning, the Zeus thing that throws lightning at enemies if you are low mana + Zeus/Poseidon/Hestia on attack for damage

You can spam attacks really fast

It's not the best thing Eos can do but it's def viable for 32 fear

[knotty fulcrum]

channel means how fast you charge your omega attack?

[tall notch]

Yeah but channel speed also seems to make normal attacks on torches faster from my testing

The hammer, spider and Hermes keepsake definitely do, the one I'm not sure works is Chaos

[knotty fulcrum]

oh ok I get it then

[tall notch]

Eos is one of the most versatile weapons in the game, there's just so many ways you can build it

[sour cape]

Yea no mana too punishing for mana builds 😭😭

and only worth 1 feels really bad

[bleak night]

True

playing melee in Hades II in higher fears is kinda terrible

in Erebus mostly because of the screamers that have instant turn rate and just chase you down too quickly

[tall notch]

I think there's a reason why they went with the whole sprint mechanic and every weapon has a ranged playstyle

[bleak night]

Axe has no ranged playstyle unless you wanna rely on Shield Blasts

[tall notch]

It has two!

[bleak night]

the cast ?

[tall notch]

The cast and Charon

[bleak night]

The cast is off of a specific boon, no ?

Lightning Lance makes every cast kinda ranged, to be fair.

[tall notch]

Either lightning lance or the hestia thing

[bleak night]

kinda boon reliant, no ? The others have the ranged gameplay in their kits that can work without mana

[sour cape]

Axe has Omega special

[bleak night]

for Axe, you def need mana, so that vow is pretty rough

[sour cape]

Yea...

[bleak night]

that's the shield blast, yeah

[tall notch]

Ohh you're talking about the vow. I thought the convo shifted to ranged playstyles in general

[sour cape]

Oh i see i see, wouldnt count cast as ranged since every weapons got it

[bleak night]

yeah

[tall notch]

Yeah that vow is nasty on axe

[sour cape]

Also axe when you get the shields 😭

[bleak night]

I was doing 49 Fear and I had an awful time because the blue hearts gave me cancer

blue hearts + no mana to spin or do shield blasts for poke

[tall notch]

I get that you're not supposed to run all of these vows together, but that one stands out as poorly designed because of the aspect where it ruins some weapons and straight up buffs the others

[bleak night]

btw since you like Charon, have you tried doing retreating Shield Blasts ?

I'm having a hard time doing it 100% of the time, but it's neat

[sour cape]

Yea! wish it was default

[tall notch]

I am slowly becoming a Charon gamer because I want to play the actual axe more instead of playing Zeus

[light sapphire]

wait, you can do retreating shield blasts?

[sour cape]

But a good way to dodge back and still get a hit off

Yes attack after dodge in direction you want

[bleak night]

I think this is the video https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1242405242545377340/Retreating_shield_blast.mp4?ex=664db78c&is=664c660c&hm=98032ba6dfed9bc9936a0488e7fd97827c6094174b15e78aee8c3dbf8761fba2&

[tall notch]

But Charon without the special charge speed increase hammer is just so miserable at +40% speed Hecate she makes me want to give up runs if I don't see the hammer

[light sapphire]

what's the input?

[timber pawn]

My charon 32 fear run felt so good once it came together, but before that it was pretty upsetting, I agree

[sour cape]

So im M + KB, and its dodge, left click towards where you wanna go

[tall notch]

I just did a 6 fear Charon run without any of the special hammers and Hecate was genuinely more challenging than Chronos

[bleak night]

hold Special, and as the blast is about to go, dash and tap attack while moving mouse to the direction you want it to go/hold control stick towards the direction

it's easier on mkb than controller, when I tried

[sour cape]

fully charge special (right click), dodge (space), then left click immediately

[light sapphire]

dodge away and click forward?

[sour cape]

yea

[timber pawn]

I did one charon run at 9 to test things out before jumping into the real attempts and it stole all the rng I needed for the 32. Lol, I got like giga cleaver and special speed, and a number of other relevant things

[bleak night]

give it a try in training, you'll get to do it at least once, then you'll get the timing down soon after

[light sapphire]

that's so dope thank you

[sour cape]

Sometimes mess up and dodge too early or click too late 😭

[hollow crypt]

I've done 0 mana start Torches, but I force roll Zeus for Static Shock

[civic ocean]

Nothing quite like charging up that special only to hear TRIPLE DIVIDE as it comes out

[hollow crypt]

Eos Torches too, and preferably get the attacks split Hammer

[sour cape]

I felt like Demeter gains like unplayably poor 😭

[bleak night]

Axe could be smoother tbh. For as heavy as the weapon is, I don't feel like I'm doing more damage than the other weapons for the amount of endlag

[timber pawn]

I was doing 5 min timer on my 32s and triple divide spam was responsible for 2-3 lost runs lol. I was not a happy camper

[tall notch]

Yeah it's a viable way to play Eos for up to 32 fear but from my testing Omega Eos with mana just does better

[sour cape]

Should just be recover while not moving

[tall notch]

THAT WAS LITERALLY MY EXPERIENCE

[bleak night]

It's like I'm punished for picking a weapon that, as Mel says in the Night Book, should not be used and left for someone like Nemesis

[tall notch]

It's a skill issue on Mel's end to be fair, she's holding that thing the way Red was holding the transistor. It's way too heavy for her

[timber pawn]

Please stop I can only be so in love with Nem

[tall notch]

Maybe if she had the body build from these skelly statues she'd be able to use it properly

[bleak night]

hidden Aspect of Blue,

[hollow crypt]

I don't know what exactly is the reason but more and more I've been leaning towards no Omegas, just basic attacks

[sour cape]

I dont like how at 40% speed big chop cant even reliably interrupt things

[tall notch]

Sorceress arcana is almost like taking turns, right?

[sour cape]

Hey shes still handing out the bonks

[bleak night]

kinda, yeah

[sour cape]

and chops 😎

[civic ocean]

I believe its only real use case is on Charon or Torches

The one thing it has going for it is that Axe and Torches kinda NEED a gain to get to Tartarus, and then in Tart you can slap on Silver Wheel and go crazy

Charon in particular you end up having to pick between lucid, ionic and tranquil

[tall notch]

It doesn't seem to fit the theme of the game but I'd play the hell out of Mel swinging around the Transistor and having functions on her omegas

[sour cape]

Silver Wheel?

[civic ocean]

Hecate Keepsake

[sour cape]

Ohhh

[hollow crypt]

Hecate Keepsake, recover MP after using it

[civic ocean]

Low key one of the best keepsakes in the entire game

[sour cape]

Infinite mana 👀

[hollow crypt]

I still have it at 1* because I never have MP lmao, Vow of Panic + Vow of Arrogance

[tall notch]

I've been experimenting with Hecate start on Pan and trying to highroll early Poseidon but idk if that's gonna be better than simply getting a rarified Pos boon room 1 and mana regen room 3

[sour cape]

Maybe you go Hera stead of Zeus then hmmm

[light sapphire]

btw i was curious, how are people finding white antler on higher fear values like 30+? i'm still working on beating chronos with it at 20 but i imagine it gets pretty obscenely difficult with things like increased enemy speed

[civic ocean]

Yeah you could but its no fun to not go double duo boons on Charon

[tall notch]

Antler is the only way I can get through 40+ fear Erebus somewhat consistently

[upper cobalt]

IMO room 1 poseidon pan is always good enough to carry until a mana regen

[sour cape]

Apollos all you need anyways 😂

Well prob Apollo and Demeter

Or maybe Hestia, she also got a ranged cast

[civic ocean]

I don't even start apollo at 32

Just go demeter for either tranq or ice attack and spin my way through first 2 biomes

[bleak night]

I start Zeus now when I play Charon

[sour cape]

I still do specials

it clears the whole room early on

[civic ocean]

I haven't learned how to dash dunk yet so that might change

[timber pawn]

Imo the dash special is mostly relevant for chronos

[sour cape]

Also to avoid like the dervishes and banshees is good

[timber pawn]

It's always handy but you can generally get away without it with decent positioning of casts

[sour cape]

Thats truee

cast mostly slows them ebough

[timber pawn]

It's nice for hippos too if you mistime your special block charge and are going to get sniped

[bleak night]

I hate hippos

[timber pawn]

You see it coming from a mile away and then you get hit for 30

[sour cape]

Also the room with the snakes and bomb spam is super irritating

[bleak night]

Probably some of my most hated enemies

[timber pawn]

Also the run away ai is a pain in the ass on 40%

[bleak night]

Screamers, Hippos, The dead dudes that throw bombs on the ground

[sour cape]

yea im glad we dont need to fight the undead bomb throwers much

[timber pawn]

Oh the dash special is great for the holehearts

[lost shell]

can someone recommend me some flames builds? im not having much success with it when i dont use poseidon on special

[sour cape]

No mana?

[bleak night]

nah, I do 32 but I definitely turn mana on

[sour cape]

I see, I had run where lost all my mana perks from 3 gods and random Icarus Hammer got me the mana big chop

that was a disaster 💀💀

[eternal osprey]

i dont know proper meta terminology lol but i'd go for a hera focused build and just zip around the room tagging each enemy with hitch

[random garden]

wait until you get chaos boon that you get damage when you try to attack and next boss is the Scylla

[civic hedge]

question - is the Zeus ability that primes 50 mana for Chain Lightning on hit meant to activate on specials or charged special attacks? The tooltip indicates its only normal attacks but it definitely triggers on the blade throw from sister blades.

[summer seal]

Think my next goal is 32 fear with Pan daggers, anyone have advice for a fear and arcana setup (with or without White Antler). Figure starting Keepsake is Poseidon for special regardless, but not too sure after that for boon combos or keepsakes if not going white antler

[eternal osprey]

i use flames and for me it also triggers on my specials so shrug

[summer seal]

Oh, and for those of you who run high fear without the re-roll arcana, do you just reset until you get the starting boon with at least epic rarity you need and go from there?

[tall notch]

It says strikes, not attacks. Specials count

[civic hedge]

ahhhh okay I didnt pick up on that subtle distinction. I had a build with pan blades where special was doing over 1500 damage per special volley before factoring in chain lit and support fire. Felt more than a little OP. Was using the 16 blade throw hammer upgrade and 30% damage to targets standing in your cast buff

[lost shell]

Not meta, i just want to have fun. Rn i think its very hard to make a huge variety of builds for an specific weapon. Like the charon axe, its apollo on the cast and thats it. poseidon and zeus on cast arent nearly optimal as apollo. I think its a little bit limited

[civic ocean]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/e/2PACX-1vS73iWzIxaOupBwoVUJPjxtmSJEtrlTnLh9GFJzTYblncgPo7Ka1J08JG7r-4k6qEPwOJWH_xfp4al2/pubhtml# pan guide here

No poseidon though so its offmeta I guess

[summer seal]

Oh that awesome! Surprised at no Poseidon though.

Lol, well there ya' go

[civic ocean]

I feel like Poseidon doesn't really need a guide

[tall notch]

I think East is handicapping themselves on purpose by not playing Pos or born gain in anything

[civic ocean]

The first guide is poseidon momus

[bleak night]

ooh

[civic ocean]

There just really isn't much to say about Poseidon pan

[sour cape]

I wish you could gain mana while channeling

[civic ocean]

You take poseidon you cast them you special them they die

[tall notch]

I mean I'm not sure how to take Poseidon Pan to 40 fear so I'd appreciate a guide once you clear that

Erebus is just such a struggle

[sour cape]

its kinda feels bad that Born Again lets you gain mana while spamming

but none ofnthe others do 😭😭

[civic ocean]

Step 1: wait for them to add middle management and extreme measures

Step 2: clear 40 fear

[sour cape]

Specially for Apollos

[tall notch]

Poseidon bubbles work too, and I suppose Heph if you can afford to facetank every now and then

[sour cape]

Oh true Heph and Poseidon

[civic ocean]

Also just gambling at Chaos works for me often

[sour cape]

Heph is kinda expensive to gain mana

Well in Asphodel can run into throns for minimal dmg

[tall notch]

To actually use Heph as your primary mana regen you'd probably need to complete coarse grit

And just have a ton of health/armor

[sour cape]

Yea

makes sense, Coarse grit lets you tank a lot more

And Heph does give Earth 😂

Wish they would buff Zeus's gain 😔

Unusably bad when taking the reserve mana fear

[civic ocean]

I think with Heph I'd go Wheel for Tart

Just use Heph to get my ass there

[civic ocean]

It's just so bad either way because it doesn't regen

When you fight

[sour cape]

Doesnt regen?

[tall notch]

Zeus gain would be fine if it only reduced your unprimed mana pool, not the total

[sour cape]

Yea

[tall notch]

But the fact that Zeus has the most expensive prime alone means you wouldn't want to run this

[sour cape]

Yea its like the only boon that has no use, if not mana build, you dont want it since no extra effects and cant actually be used for mana

[tall notch]

It's one of the boons you have to make sure you won't be forced to take when playing vow of forsaking or they could ruin a run

[sour cape]

Wish Axe could use Poseidons mana decently but no

[civic ocean]

1 use

If you are playing AQ Scorch on Staff its free wind

[sour cape]

AQ scorch?

[bleak night]

Air Quality

[civic ocean]

Air Fryer

Air Quality + Scorch on spammable moves = beeg dmg on bosses

[sour cape]

Ohh

That is a combo 😂

[tall notch]

But don't most AQ scorch builds want mana

[civic ocean]

Except staff I think

Cuz u just pretend ur momus

Start aph for PD or atk

[tall notch]

Or just do it on momus lol

[tall notch]

Is Apollo sprint wind?

[civic ocean]

Nah Apollo sprint fire

[tall notch]

😦

So can't play that for AQ scorch staff, a same since that sprint feels real good for picking up revenants

[civic ocean]

You could it just pushes back AQ

[mystic bison]

Got out of ephyra 32 fear with no dd spent please pray for me

[tall notch]

I guess Momus could start Zeus special and either use the cast for AQ or reroll it for fire late game

[civic ocean]

I theorycraft that Mel could take Zeus cast

My clear I had scorch on special and cast tho

[tall notch]

Momus procs blitz in two hits with Huntress so it would be an alright early game

[civic ocean]

Could do ye

[tall notch]

YOU GOT IT 🙏

[mystic bison]

Double moonshot and Soot Sprint secured... it's now or never fr

[exotic heath]

so i just unlocked the aspect of pan, any advice for it? it seems really cool from messing around a bit with skelly

[tall notch]

Eris is gonna ask you where you got that machine gun from, Momus staff hitting her faster than the rail fr

[mystic bison]

Heph single handedly carrying me on 32 fear, man I love that guy

Heph doubters in shambles

[tall notch]

Heph doubters just don't run high fear. It took me until 40 fear to realise just how good his support stuff is

[modern yacht]

Which ones are the best?

[sour cape]

Trusty shield?

[timber pawn]

Trusty shield is probably the best

[tall notch]

Trusty shield, mint condition and heavy metal at high rarity is solid too

[sour cape]

its like heal 10 every location pretty great

[mystic bison]

Broooo this run is over https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1242098453979598872/1242499182909063329/Screenshot_4063.png?ex=664e0f09&is=664cbd89&hm=49bef38c8edc06bf741df1be44862cd6754fb017c978d75ecdc682f2fbaec772&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=550&height=309

[tall notch]

It's better than heal 10 every location since it invalidates the "take extra damage from first hit" vow

[mystic bison]

Game keeps shoewering me with gifts, totally blessed by rng today

[tall notch]

MOMUS GAMING

[sour cape]

Oh yea thats trueee

Honestly maybe could do Hephaestus, Apollo, Demeter for Axe

Coarse Grit will be nice

[mystic bison]

Mint condition is so good, rn I'm clearing rooms before it even expires

[sour cape]

Since dad can give ranged cast

[tall notch]

Heph + Demeter + X is my preferred antler Eos setup

[sour cape]

Demeter good for torches?

[tall notch]

Freeze cast is incredible for enemy control and cyclone slows down projectiles which are what mostly gets me hit at +40% speed

[mystic bison]

And now Circe just removed Vow of Blood for me 😂😂😂

[sour cape]

Yea the cyclones so nice

for that, and counts as curse 😎

[tall notch]

Attack is alright too if you get % scaling elsewhere and lets you build into winter harvest

[sour cape]

Does Hephaestus have a curse?

[tall notch]

Vent but it kinda sucks

[sour cape]

Oh

[glossy rivet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/643633434228686874/1242500971469340732/20240521233456_1.jpg?ex=664e10b4&is=664cbf34&hm=cad78da9955b73a23f01c45d4f704ae5c82119497b6033bb2cde8c99fd17e17e& zeus moment

[tall notch]

Demeter alone gets you 2 curses though, and there's gonna be a third god

[sour cape]

Glorious disaster pog

[glossy rivet]

it was an apollo-zeus dialogue that triggered the offering and STILL zeus wants me to give up born gain

[sour cape]

Does cyclone give you 2?

[tall notch]

Cyclone is one freeze is the other

[bleak night]

lol

[sour cape]

Ohh

Makes sense

[civic ocean]

Trusty shield, mint condition, and honestly early Volcanic on off-hand is extremely based

[sour cape]

Yea ill try Heph - Demeter - Apollo for 24 Axe

[civic ocean]

I think Demeter and Heph occupy a lot of the same space on axe but not sure

[glossy rivet]

oh my god zeus wont stop offering me king's ransom

[civic ocean]

Diagetic

[glossy rivet]

MY ONLY HERA BOON IS BORN GAIN

[tall notch]

If you're getting Apollo for damage on Charon and not running 5 min timer, you can probably afford to run 2 defensive gods

[glossy rivet]

he literally only ever shows up to offer kings ransom on runs where i have born gain

zeus sees me take born gain and he gets the glowing eyes meme delivering me kings ransom the next chamber

[civic ocean]

I guess if you get Downpour you can do it for CG too yeah

[sour cape]

Well Demeter Cyclone, attack and Sprint, Apollo Cast and Special

Heph mana

[tall notch]

I'd take either of the other two over Heph if I am running 7 mins timer tbf

[sour cape]

Other two?

[civic ocean]

The most important demeter boons are

-one of Tranquil Gain or Frigid Sprint (for the duo)
-Local Climate

[tall notch]

Demeter and Apollo's mana regens both work well enough when you are not in a rush

[sour cape]

I hate Demeters 😭😭

[tender anvil]

Hera + Heph gang - get infinite mana, incredible defense, and a +200% damage on core slots Duo. My easiest 40 Fear run so far with Meli Skulls (not that I needed mana, but still).

[sour cape]

you cant do anything 💀💀

[civic ocean]

Just stand still for a sec after Charon pops

[sour cape]

Apollos is not bad though

[tall notch]

Ooh what's the Meli skulls 40 fear setup? How do they deal damage?

I've been trying to take skulls to 40 and can't think of anything but Demeter stack on Medea

[civic ocean]

I think once poseidon gets nerfed we might see a lot of triple H - heph hera hestia (for Slow Cooker for the power scaling)

[bleak night]

sounds pretty classic tho

[bleak night]

I was able to do Skull 40 using Persephone Hera Attack + Aphro Special

[tall notch]

The trick to Demeter's is to use your entire mana bar to phase a boss or get through a mob wave and then stand still to regen during downtime

[mystic bison]

GG https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1242098453979598872/1242502764865654934/Screenshot_4064.png?ex=664e125f&is=664cc0df&hm=654c73f2536a483459bf4ea40d782c661952025a784c8c0355b2cf6cac9d227f&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=742&height=417

[bleak night]

you can select your boons in that screen if you wanna show off the build

[tall notch]

What was the playstyle? The only thing I've done on Pers is Zeus cast with glory special to pick up revenants and throwing out normal attacks to finish off the things the cast cannot

[civic ocean]

Also idk if this is true but I feel it is - the ending animation of Charon Special counts towards Tranquil I think

[bleak night]

I threw out my Skulls, mostly Omega for the mortar properties, then I'd Omega Special in and out

[sour cape]

I had pretty low mana from reserving so needed to stand still to regen each omega 💀💀

[tender anvil]

Much like everything else - Artemis trinket starting biome 2. Key hammer - +2 shells. Ended the run at 17 mins, getting the duo mid biome 2. For fear - I skipped revenants, onions, blue shields and enemy hp.

[mystic bison]

Ohh I didn't know

[sour cape]

artemis trinket? 👀

Low hp build? 👀👀

[knotty viper]

white antler, its the best trinket

[tender anvil]

They were critting above 1k per skull at endgame. With 12 seconds impervious nothing stood a chance.

[glossy rivet]

zesus offered me shocking loss right before fighting eris

[sour cape]

Hmmm gotta be at below 30 to use though

[glossy rivet]

he also offered me kings ransom again

[civic ocean]

If ur going sub 5 min you need the x1.8 mult

[glossy rivet]

zeus moment after zeus moment

[knotty viper]

usually not a big deal with how much damage you're dealing

[civic ocean]

Esp if you have mint

[sour cape]

Oh yea Mint for impervious

[civic ocean]

Every single wave room is free at that point

[glossy rivet]

just give toula roids

[sour cape]

😎😎

[tall notch]

Hmm, interesting. How did you get through Erebus? I haven''t played Meli skulls much in general

[tender anvil]

Couple interesting techs i’ve found useful:

• Engagement ring skips transitions on Hecate, massively saving time. Might as well grab it while gunning for Hera+Heph duo
• Starting with Hera trinket and Born Gain, biome 1 you pretty much Omega Special constantly, in Erebus it’s enough to kill majority of mobs (in the absence of blue shields)