h2-builds-and-combat

[timber pawn]

Door rerolls can be used for boons also, it's a common pool

[white steppe]

jesus how do you fit all that in

[iron flame]

how do you tell if you maxed out the stats of your familar? do they just stop taking treats

[civic ocean]

so does Static Shock work with Storm Ring?

[green wren]

their abilties are purple

unless you get circe and for some reason my lvl 4 frinos becomes lvl 16

[iron flame]

where do ya go to see their levels? i only see their levels after I give them a treat

[green wren]

if you gave them a treat you cant give them more again

[white steppe]

exponential phrog

[green wren]

just do a run and try to feed more ig sorry

[civic ocean]

it doesn't bummer I just primed half my bar sadge

[green wren]

yeah the circe says 100% effectiveness why does Frinos lvl kaoiken

[white steppe]

i wonder if the other familiars are also gonna be survivability ones or if they'll give us an attack boosting one

cause like how many other ways can you boost survability? armor? dmg shield?

[green wren]

circe pig probably one i guess ? but pig feels like a tanky one

[iron flame]

also for like combat purposes at high fear is frinos just the better for survivability. i feel the + in health is better than one death defiance that leaves ya at 40

[green wren]

bouldy pet rock that does nothing unless you kick it at people like cat would be fun

[white steppe]

mathematically frinos is just more overall health since he applies to your dds too

[iron flame]

ya thats what i thought ^

[brisk geyser]

chat i've done all the boon fates and a few 32 fear runs, i feel empty now

[iron flame]

i feel like your third familar might be a dog cause hecate mentions hounds before and if I remember correctly one of her familars is a dog as well. I can also see a bat cause bats are pretty witchy familars like cats and frogs.

and i can see dog or bat do some offensive buffs instead of surviability ones

[white steppe]

where are you getting a dog from?

[brisk geyser]

.

[green wren]

hecate has a dog that disappears soonish

[white steppe]

maybe if you get to olympus poseidon can gift you a horse

[green wren]

right below where the bath spawns

[iron flame]

ya hecate had two familars at the start one being a dog and after like run 8 i think they just dissaper for some reason

[white steppe]

i feel like its poor taste to steal your teacher's pets

[iron flame]

well i dont think mel is gonna take hecates familar i just meant she might get her own dog familar

[sterile portal]

Is madea keepsake as broken as it sounds

[civic ocean]

not really

[tall notch]

Isn't third familiar in the game files already?

[iron flame]

ive enjoyed it but ive noticed usually through my boons i already do high damage and I prefer my final keepsake to be some type of surviability to keep myself alive from chronos or eris high dps

[iron flame]

oh i had no idea!

[slender grail]

how does increasing your fear work? I don't understand why it goes 1-2-4-8. It seems like it would get super high, but then I wouldn't be able to max out any aspect comfortably without running out of NM? (concerned because I'm definitely not good enough for 10+)

[tall notch]

I heard that it is and allegedly it's a ||raven called Raki||

[iron flame]

0h thats awesome

[civic ocean]

I believe when Olympus is added it should go 1-2-4-8-12-16-20-24

You can get nightmare from the broker

[white steppe]

one letter off from boosting sales in the balkan community

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah itll go up +4 each time up to 20. Even if you do em all you'll need to farm bones for nightmare

[iron flame]

it goes 1-2-4-8-12-16-20 and the game will offer other ways to get nightmare as well like via trades. so you should be fine leveling up and experimenting with diferent weapons aspects and builds.

[slender grail]

is NM/Bones like 1 for 1000? that's really steep and I probably get like 100-200 per run

[iron flame]

also if I remember correctly each weapon has 1 aspect where you can upgrade it without NM so you can always have at least 1 level V weapon

true but if you end up struggling on a certain fear level you can always go back to normal levels take your cat and a shovel and start selling plants and fish to get 1k

[green wren]

its just a huge sink for when you have nothing else at that point because you can get enough doing low ish fear tbh

unless your going to try to V all aspects and at that point you should be comfortable enough with them to get to decent fear breakpoints

[civic ocean]

how many mana pots do you need to take for Ionic to be good I wonder

[timber pawn]

A lot because it's so slow lol. I feel like it should be faster regen than hestia tbh

[green wren]

ionic is great! for making hera duo stronger 🙂

[tall notch]

Artemis gamers, how do you avoid damage? I've been messing around with it in 6 fear and I'm tanking hits like crazy, in particular I'm feeling vulnerable after the omega attack sends me straight into the enemies

[timber pawn]

The 40 fear run I saw was a lot of immediate dashes after teleporting, like every attack

[slender grail]

Probably not all, but in the first game I played until I had V on all my favorite aspects per weapon, with an extra here and there (so maybe 8 maxxed weapons).
Plus the broker sold Blood for 2 Diamond, and the final shop always sold either Diamond or Blood for 1000g. So I would just run 10 heat extreme measures 4 over and over because that felt fun.

[cinder palm]

Bird for mining and dog for digging it seems

[green wren]

bouldy makes perfect sense for mining dont ruin my dreams

[slender grail]

oh I forgot that Cat will bias you to fish. Does bringing her work the same way as bringing Fishing Rod?

[green wren]

not sure of the exact skew of the pets but I basically never get ghosts with cat and vice versa

unsure if you can double up though

[iron flame]

i think so but i cant gurantee it. pretty much my brain goes do i need a lot of psyche or bones and i just take the correct animal for it. or if im doing high fear like 16+ i take the frog. but I feel like im getting more fishing spots when I have the cat with me, i get at least 3 fish on a run. one time i got 6 while i was just holding the spade

[tall notch]

Oh that's good to know

[iron flame]

what do you guys consider to be the best hex boon. i personally feel like darkside is the best just cause if you get the selenece charm and upgrade it once you can typically increase the attack speed and length of the boon and just stay imprevious for long times during boss fights

selene*

[tired fulcrum]

Healing hex because its good even without upgrading it and it isnt useless against chronos and its useful when you have a build

[green wren]

it gives gold and mana also, pretty sure its the same one that procs on hit effects also so useful

[timber pawn]

Also damage control v bad

[iron flame]

does anybody got any tips for trial of heartache or trial of doom. they are the only chaos trials im struggling a bit and dont know what to do different

[elfin blaze]

Advice for killing the moneybag miniboss? I can't get out of its ray!

[timber pawn]

Stay close and dodge through the boss around when it fires. It does stop tracking eventually

[spare kite]

For doom a good burnt offering is really nice, gets you actual hp

[iron flame]

ahhh i see, thats smart

[spare kite]

Other than that it really is pretty much play it safe

For heartache for me it was just learning eris patterns mainly

[iron flame]

does fates trimmings (narcissus) boon only appear if you use the reroll tarot cards. cause i dont really use those tarot cards and i 50 hrs in still have never seen fates trimmings be offered to me

[civic ocean]

damn zeus persephone is cracked

[wicked hornet]

i feel like the twin flames are really bad, what boons do yall use with them?

[timber pawn]

On attack or special?

[timber pawn]

Eos aspect is very good for an attack focused build, demeter, aphro, or Apollo attack.

Special focus with aspect of mel, aphro is very strong

[civic ocean]

cast

#h2-victory-boasting message took me actually 3 tries

[tall notch]

@timber pawn I'm digging this instant dash thing, I could play antler with this once I learn how to fight Chronos with daggers

Did that 40 fear run use antler?

[civic ocean]

Like I got AQ scorch but it wasn't necessary Zeus Cast just beasted on everyone

[timber pawn]

Yyyes? I think? It's on that one page. Lemme check

[timber pawn]

Oh right because extra all omega damage!

[civic ocean]

also I am going on record for this

I think Silver Wheel is a top 3 tartarus keepsake in the game

[wicked hornet]

ooh, i havent unlocked aspects yet

[civic ocean]

Unless you are specifically not using omega weapons or you have Born Gain, Silver Wheel is like 100% uptime on all of your offensive options, it's incredibly good

And that's it - 32 Fear all weapons no poseidon momus or born gain. Time to do some guide writing

[olive ridge]

https://prnt.sc/kz3PDL8_g591
https://prnt.sc/QWSxm3cHsgt5
Which one is better as a generic set-up?

[timber pawn]

Not in zone 1/2 apparently

[timber pawn]

Ayy nice. Well done

[civic ocean]

Guess I do trials now

[timber pawn]

The same guy posted a 45 run. Seems like it's hera start.

That said, they're using artificer I think, to help combat onion. So they turned ash into a boon in room 2, so the hera room actually gave them a boon.

Also I think they just reset until the get 400% omega attack hammer room 1.

Okay just confirmed, ya its hammer into born gain and that just carries them through erebus

[tall notch]

And Oceanus onward is it antler?

[uncut ginkgo]

What arcana are people using? I just got wrecked at 16 fear

[gloomy belfry]

Just had a run where all my magick was primed. It sucked! I'm sure you can make it work and it's awesome, but it didn't this time

I even had the zeus thing for less than 10, but it wasn't enough to make up for the lack of versatility

[uncut ginkgo]

Yeah, i had a cast build and didn't realize that the 70% reduction applied to max magick not unreserved magick

[spare kite]

Yeah that boon is kinda lmao

[uncut ginkgo]

completely shot the build

[gloomy belfry]

Yes, the lightning damage once every FIVE seconds is not enough to compensate. Not sure what builds zeus is for. I do love blitz though

[uncut ginkgo]

static shock is pretty good

[civic ocean]

Arcana is weapon specific but a few I leave on no matter what (assuming all are maxed)

Lovers
Eternity
Fates
Boatman
Champions

And the ones I leave on for every aspect except Momus and Medea are:

Titan
Sorceress

[civic ocean]

Storm Ring might be the 3rd best core boon (goes on the left side) in the entire game IMO

[gloomy belfry]

not sure what that is

[civic ocean]

the Omega Cast boon

[gloomy belfry]

lightning within the circle or you can shoot it out?

[civic ocean]

yes the lightning in the circle

[tired fulcrum]

Within

[gloomy belfry]

Yeah, that one is fun. Not much use when you have primed away all your magick though. Zeus having good omega boons but also rewarding you for low magick is an interesting contrast

[civic ocean]

Ionic Gain is the worst gain in the entire game I feel yes

[timber pawn]

Apollo* for Oceanus, he got trusty shield in erebus. It's all in Chinese so I'm just using the tool tips and icons lol

[civic ocean]

Now I want to see a Hades series 11 weapons 32 speedrun

[tame vector]

Revaal with Melinoe aspect, what boons are recommended?

[iron flame]

i have a question about rerolls for rooms. if i reroll a room that offers like a minor thing like bones, psyche, etc. can it offer a major boon like selene or an olympus god ?

[civic ocean]

anything % based on your attacks I would imagine is pretty good - something like Hera because of how Hitch and explosions

[civic ocean]

no, I am testing how room rerolls work now but you can never go minor-major

[gloomy belfry]

Isn't there a specific card for making that happen? Would be weird if it could occur naturally

[iron flame]

ooh okay and have you discovered if the rerolls work in sets like are bones, psyche, ash a set so if you have a door that offers bones it will only offer one of those 3 if you reroll it and so on. i havent used rerolls yet and i feel like i should as im going higher on fear to make runs easier. and just want to understand them better

[frail hare]

I prefer the second one.

[iron flame]

cause i can imagine they are super useful during a boon trying to reroll to get a legendary or duo ya need but i dont know how they work with doors

[civic ocean]

Gotta change arcana per weapon for sure

[green wren]

ah 32 run died to chronos spawning balls during another animation

[civic ocean]

it also doesn't look like you can reroll a minor find into Arachne or Charon in Erebus either?

That would be a good 5 minute deadline strat

[clear root]

what are good testaments to use? i just got my first win

[spare kite]

Rerolling into npcs/shops is impossible yeah they are shown as "unalterable"

[timber pawn]

I watched someone roll their ash into a boon in erebus room 2. But that is the reward itself with artificer

[clear root]

where do i get bronze?

[green wren]

surface act 1

[civic ocean]

It would be interesting if the minor/major finds correlated with certain types of enemies

Like if I'm playing Axe and I want to dodge Caskets/Hippos I roll away from Ash every time etc

[green wren]

act 3 ig is going to be the ascent and act 4 olympus itself to mirror descent ig?

[civic ocean]

It'll be interesting because whatever we do on Olympus it has to be immediately inconsequential

[clear root]

where do i get thalamus

[green wren]

chaos gives you it and shover spots there

[midnight bay]

ok charon is absolutly busted, its litteraly only the 2nd time i beat cronos and it was no hit, i had ALOT of speed (Hermes + appolo run) The hammer to make the technique faster and hades's cast. I could just spam infinitly without getting hurt a single time with that speed. it made the Axe faster than every other weapon for some reason

[timber pawn]

its not charon its all the speed you got haha, it does make a big difference

[green wren]

I dont like how the fat seahorses insta spawn without a shadow around them in act 1

[tired fulcrum]

Sudden cleaver makes such a big difference

[green wren]

cos they are water monsters they dont need them i suppose; like how sometimes medusa spawn in water act 2 and never move

[civic ocean]

Most impactful hammer in the game probably

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah all the oceanus enemies will just pop up right in front of you lol

[midnight bay]

its the hammer technique speed one? im french so i dont know the english names

[civic ocean]

I would imagine 32 Fear Charon winrate is like 65%+ with Sudden Cleaver and like 35% without it

[timber pawn]

I tried 11 times to clear 32 with charon before I got sudden cleaver, and then immediately won with it lol

[civic ocean]

yes

[green wren]

worst act 2 so far is triple boulders room 1 oceanus

even if i slow them with cast theres not enough room for me

[civic ocean]

I swear to Zeus I got 2 boulders 2 Eurobeat shades

[green wren]

star platinums?

[civic ocean]

The ones that charge you at Initial D speeds

[random rover]

Can someone remind me again why the arcana that slows things down doesn't work with the Axe special? I really just don't get it if this is done on purpose.

[tall notch]

Is Charon the most hammer-dependent weapon in the game? I can't imagine fighting +40% speed Chronos without that channel speed increase

[green wren]

ah those guys

I havent seen a fat sucky guy in act 2 yet is that intentional?

[civic ocean]

You would be invulnerable for like 6 seconds every time because of how the shield works

[green wren]

that would probably be worst with boulders room 1 act 2

[civic ocean]

I think the only way you could do it would be to take Hermes' keepsake into Tart

[olive ridge]

give me some advice for axe of melinoe for eris run? i dont get this weapon...

[timber pawn]

it definitely feels bad, I can tell you that lol. ya I think so honestly. Aspect of Artemis might be kinda up there too, the 400% omega attack + l;arge radius is a huge upgrade

[green wren]

it has faster recovery so your less pants down

just play it like thanatos that you crit less on ig

[civic ocean]

does Mel axe make all of axe's fighting game combos broken

[tame fern]

I like doing basic attacks with mel axe

Pretty much the main way to beat eris is with Hestia sprint

[green wren]

the eris fight with axe is probably the easiest weapon to do it on

your omega attack hits even from behind the apple

[midnight bay]

oh, why? i litteraly never used any scorch boon from hestia, i just use her mana regen so idk if its strong or nah

[timber pawn]

it deletes her bullets

[midnight bay]

wait, its the new athena dash?..

[tame fern]

Hestia sprint can negate Eris projectiles

[civic ocean]

sometimes it doesn't work which is frustrating

[timber pawn]

ya closest we got at the moment

[green wren]

just walk out and eat one of her apple killing shots either lovers it or take it does like zero damage for some reason

[tall notch]

I think there's a pretty consistent rule where things that deal damage while you prepare your omega won't slow time down. Axe special has that drill thing, torches attack is doing the attack combo while you prepare your omegas, and there's that axe hammer which made the final strike in its combo strike twice in exchange for spending mana at the end

[green wren]

but if you have enough dps for eris you end up phase transitioning her whenever she winds up the attack so she doesnt ever kill her apples

[olive ridge]

what do you start with on mel axe? aphro?

[civic ocean]

while soot sprint is pretty based, I think even at 40% they way to beat Eris is to just play close and twich dash behind her

[timber pawn]

demeter or apollo also options, but aphro is good

[green wren]

i start chaos rng her damage cast or mana recovery tbf

[tired fulcrum]

Idk in her final phase sometimes she just jumps way too far away from you

[timber pawn]

Aspect of artemis makes this phase hilarious

[random rover]

There has to be a middle ground because this special is so unwieldy and hard to use at higher heats without specific hammers or hermes boons. I'm just straight up not having fun when the slow enemies walk up on me full screen before an omega special charges.

[tired fulcrum]

Ig you can probably play around an apple

[timber pawn]

the omega attack charge does slow time, are you talking about omega special?

[random rover]

@timber pawn I used special the first time, but not the second, my apologies.

[clear root]

how do i unlock aspects?

[timber pawn]

no worries, not trying to be pedantic just making sure I understood. ya it is definitely slow and tough to use on high heats without the hammer, as you mentioned

[green wren]

talk to hecate until she gives you the ritual then do it

[timber pawn]

I believe just keep playing and itll be offered to you at some point, there's an incantation

[random rover]

Nah, it's okay. Clear communication is important in discussions.

[tired fulcrum]

Without the the hammer you can get by with the dash redirect tech

If you hold attack during omega special you can point it where you want to instead of it just going in the direction of your dash

[olive ridge]

furious whirlwind or advancing? (

[tired fulcrum]

Furious

[random rover]

I'll try that

[civic ocean]

For Charon one thing that I noticed is that the cast last such an excessively long time that you can put the cast down, retreat, wait for something to try and and hit you and time it so it hits the back half of your shield and you'll still bust the cast

[timber pawn]

wait this is huge I did not know this. Thats clunky as hell though lol

[random rover]

This is basically the only way I've been getting them to connect on +40% speed.

[tired fulcrum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1164101586138710037/1242188723454611587/Hades_II_2024-05-19_18-03-58.mp4?ex=664cede6&is=664b9c66&hm=197a798df3d498ce96b302db29fe9557c3c88b310a6101c8053faa519c70d0a5&

[civic ocean]

Also another thing is that you can make it through the first two biomes pretty much without ever using the charon blowup, just use the cast to hold people for the omega attack and reserve the Charon bomb for Hecate and the Sirens, then as you get more speed let the bomb take over

[timber pawn]

ya I just hopped on and tried it. Wow that is honestly huge mobility

[slate pecan]

wait what

[tired fulcrum]

yeah you also still get dash Iframes so its pretty huge for survivability

[civic ocean]

The Axe is so crazy lmaoooo

[slate pecan]

everytime i try to dash when omega special is about to finish it ends up going in the direction of my dash

[civic ocean]

You thought you were playing a melee weapon but actually you're playing a Smash Bros Melee weapon

[timber pawn]

the key is apparently holding down normal attack when you dash

[slate pecan]

so i have to hold special and then regular attack to unlock the dashing is that what this is? damn ok i'll try that

[timber pawn]

you can let go of special once the animation starts

[tired fulcrum]

Like while the omega special animation is happening you hold/press attack

[civic ocean]

is it hold or press

[tired fulcrum]

Eitherish

[tall notch]

This weapon is so wild

[civic ocean]

That is honestly super goated for Charon

[tall notch]

It's either buggy as hell or the person designing it had a lot of fun

And I'm not sure which

[slate pecan]

or mayhaps both

[civic ocean]

It's the only weapon that has like 3+ weird unexplained tech to it right

[tired fulcrum]

Like if you hold it you have more control but tapping you can still snap to a direction

[random rover]

It's got the timestop hex stuff too.

[spare kite]

Goofy ass weapon

[civic ocean]

there's Mynt Scooping, this which I am calling the Ananas Slammas

[slate pecan]

omg it worked thanks! gonna have to train myself to consistently use it though

[tired fulcrum]

Only problem is its a lot harder to do with sudden cleaver since it shortens the animation

[civic ocean]

It's not really a problem with Cleaver though because you just dash out of the ending anim

[slate pecan]

what about the channel extra mana for double special?

it proved to be powerful in my run

[clear root]

i just unlocked the skull is it any good

[tired fulcrum]

A bit awkward since you have to release to special before channeling the extra mana but still works

[slate pecan]

and if you choose to channel the extra special? can you still redirect?

[slate pecan]

it's okay-ish but takes some getting used to and aim

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah

[slate pecan]

early on i had the easiest time with skulls, thought it to be the best weapon until i got much deeper into the others

[slim cloud]

Found ||Aspect of Medea|| to be super good.

[civic ocean]

I wonder if Medea has some lore about having a hard time with sea serpents

[urban pendant]

Yeah I actually did that Chaos trial yesterday and it was a ton of fun
Artemis aspect in general is a lot of fun, closest we can get to a Hades 1 crit build

[sour cape]

Artemis aspect feels hard to use without time slowdown for me 😭😭

[thorny widget]

How does Hepheastus' "Trusty Shield" boon ("after you enter a location, Prime 30 Magick to gain Armor until the next Location") interact with Arachne's "Silken Sash" keepsake (where as long as you have at least 1 armor you gain +2 Armor after each location)

Does Hepheastus' armor go away before Arachne can proc, or is it a reliable/renewable source for Arachne to build on

[humble arrow]

From what I remember, they work synergistically. You'd be getting 32 armor every room, I think.

[frosty stirrup]

id like to ask if anyone knows, does the Aspect Of Charon Axe work with the Duo boon Torrential Downpour (Description: Each time you use Omega Cast in an Encounter, it gets stronger but also uses +5 mana)

[tired fulcrum]

Yep

[frosty stirrup]

poggers

like i mean when i active the regular cast with omega special right?

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1164101586138710037/1241550404211310676/Hades_II_2024-05-18_17-33-22_-_Trim.mp4?ex=664c95ab&is=664b442b&hm=e7d4a422423363043139484f393bf83ed39a9ac668056f1bc316ed16b9642cfd& beeg numbers

[spare kite]

How many uses was that

[tired fulcrum]

Uh idk 10?

[humble arrow]

So it increased the apollo damage?? Wild

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah also i think the cast explosion itelf did like 1.5k

This was also with the apollo zeus duo thats why the numbers were so big

[humble arrow]

Looks like you chunked him for half. That's pretty nuts. Does the upgrade count for both parts of the fight or does it reset when you get to the clock arena?

[tired fulcrum]

It seemed like it counted for both

[humble arrow]

very nice

[untold pumice]

"i have you" *dies*

[tired fulcrum]

@left hound at face value +40 max hp (max rank) seems worse than a 40 hp dd due to damage gating, but a lot of recovery such as healing from wells, food, fountains, and death defiances heal based on max hp instead of a flat amount. Also the amount recovered from death defiances

[civic ocean]

If you retain the armor to the end of the location you will gain +2 armor

[tired fulcrum]

And uh theres healthy rebound from aphrodite ig

[civic ocean]

Frinos also is just like super helpful against Hecate and other stuff if you're heads up enough to play around him

But neither of them will see too much play if the other companions give you mana regen

[rain hazel]

When you get Heroic Demeter Special on staff as your first boon

[dawn cape]

The most frustrating part of Eris is how unfair her last phase is

She just flies offscreen and nukes you for like 80 damage with a rapid burst while offscreen so you can't react to the hitscan shots

[civic ocean]

There's a few diffrrent ways to handle that tbh but it's context specific

[white steppe]

if im running aphro special torches what gods do I aim for? im thinking aphro, demeter and apollo?

[tired fulcrum]

Swap dem for hera cuz born gain moment

[white steppe]

yea i was going for weed killer from dem but fair enough

[tired fulcrum]

Weed killer only affects omega attack

[ivory panther]

what does coarse grit do to the one shot from chronos?

[tired fulcrum]

Also 15

[white steppe]

also i like how early game mel torches is you get abused by the yelling woman enemy and theres nothing you can do about it cause this damn thing doesnt have hitstun

[tired fulcrum]

yeah the lack of hitstun on special is kinda

[warped harness]

is it normal to get stunned on every attack?

i was at chronos, every hit stunned me, and he would swing like 4 times really rapidly

[civic ocean]

I can't upload pictures but there's a pattern you can run in and stand in where the screamer can't hit you and you can hit them inside the Cast

I honestly recommend mel torches to everyone you get really really good at enemy hit and movement patterns

[clear root]

what do i gotta do to get hecate to give me acess to the aspects

[acoustic pier]

aspect of thanatos is feeling really good, but it seems to be bugged with basically every hammer upgrade: only the first hit counters torwards the combo

[civic ocean]

have her remark on every weapon and then she'll give you the incan

[clear root]

how do i get a remark

[civic ocean]

fight her

[clear root]

man thats rough a few of these weapons suck lol

[civic ocean]

Just gotta keep grinding till that meta scaling gets you there, diff for everyone

[clear root]

anyway to see which onesi need

i beat the game with staff

[civic ocean]

not that I know of

[slate pecan]

tarnation, almost beat 33 with artemis 😦 got impatient in the end and he had like 10% hp left

literally one more crit

[white steppe]

ok nah im switching of mel torches i popped a dd in oceanus 💀

maybe with less of the speed vow

[ashen timber]

Just out of curiosity, has anyone beaten a hitless run yet? If so, what’s the highest heat it’s been done on?

[civic ocean]

I have two no dmg Chronos fights thats it

at 32

[tired fulcrum]

I think i saw someone post a hitless idk tho

[ashen timber]

I take it hitless in general is hard to pull off? Or is it more feasible than I’m imagining as long as you’re patient?

[green wren]

how many rooms does a chaos encounter make you skip? in oceanus it feels like if you get chaos you nothing

[ashen timber]

Taking a chaos room replaces the next room you’d normally get.

[civic ocean]

IIRC Chaos moves the location count forward 1

[green wren]

yeah thats what i thought but in oceanus i get chaos pre room 1 from charon and then like 4 encounters then boss

[civic ocean]

that's a possible result IIRC

[green wren]

yeah feels terrible

[weary dune]

Looking at YOU, Hera MP recovery boon

[tired fulcrum]

Imo it shouldnt be that bad. I took 2 instances of damage on 32 heat with fo2. Though technically due to boss shield ig its more hits than that. But 0 heat hitless sounds very feasible

[sudden scaffold]

it's probably pretty doable until you hit tartarus, phase 2 of chronos would probably be the hardest part

[civic ocean]

Honestly Born Gain isn't even like that broken at 32 Fear unless you're smart about getting mana pots or upgrade it a lot, you prime a lot of mana

[tired fulcrum]

Like if youre doing hitless then you can just do antler momus or something and melt everything

[green wren]

phase 2 is his easiest part? he basically scrolls tinder for half the fight

[white steppe]

if you're in antler range it isnt hitless

[civic ocean]

you can keep yourself at 30 pretty easily

[tired fulcrum]

Mel base hp is 30 so dont take centaur or frinos

[green wren]

only trouble in the fight is when he stacks spells on top of each other so you get no reaction

[tired fulcrum]

You can stay at 30 without taking hits or running into traps on purpose. Main annoying thing is turning off centaur or using a file that doesnt have it

[sudden scaffold]

yes, but the arena gets smaller and he starts spamming summons and the yellow clock thing after he gets under 50% health, it gets chaotic

[timber pawn]

just did like 3 runs trying the axe tech, its a little hard to get consistent but it helps w/ Hades for sure

[green wren]

if your going for hitless run your probably going for a op build anyway, summons dont really matter then cos you kill his phase 2 fast enough that he only has like 2 3 clocks out

[civic ocean]

sometimes he just kinda chills in his shield for a long ass time tho

[green wren]

yeah he scrolls tinder for half his phase 2

it depends on how his cast rotation lines up honestly sometimes he just does 2 at once and you get gibbed

[tired fulcrum]

Like kingstide antler momus you can probably phase chronos in like 5 seconds

[green wren]

yeah ^

[white steppe]

even in phase 1 you can get time orb on self into time orb on self into time orb on self into getting hit once into invincibility shield because phase transition into time orb on self

[green wren]

did it and only trouble was the run where he spawned the 360 spikes and rotating balls at once insta gibbed my lovers cos no reaction time

[warped harness]

polyphemus is way too much with vow of fury this is unbearable

[green wren]

if he does the spikes all the orbs spawn at their end locations at once

reported it but it doesnt happen 100% of the time ? idk what reproduces it

[tired fulcrum]

Main tip is to keep moving, poly jumps to where you were like half a second ago. Also his rock throw is centered on where you were spotted so just dash into it

[civic ocean]

Don't dash into the rock, mind you.

[green wren]

trick with poly for me is to watch his left leg, if he twitches it you dodge because the cleave kick is coming

[warped harness]

what about all the enemies he spawns that chuck barrels and have armor

[tired fulcrum]

I mean on fo2 its so fast youll iframe it anyways

[civic ocean]

depending on your build you kill them or you kill him, usually the latter

[tired fulcrum]

Tbh those are the annoying part. Mostly just have a build

[civic ocean]

I find poly to be easier if I just keep the damage on him

[green wren]

the adds arent rly a huge problem because during his add spawn he tends to just chill and do voicelines

ive only seen his exploding sheep once so is it that rare?

[civic ocean]

I got it 3 times b2b

[rain hazel]

Bro I hate demeters mana regen. I think its actually about to kill my run that is otherwise a perfects build right now...

[white steppe]

the wackest attack he has is where he just walks around and keeps making tiny rings so melee builds get trashed

[warped harness]

hes always walking around and launching more waves

[civic ocean]

Tranquil Gain is pretty irredeemable now that we know we can move during the Charon burst

[tired fulcrum]

If you stay in front of him you can still wack him with axe

[green wren]

the waves are easy to dodge though

[white steppe]

wait how

[green wren]

its the cleave kick that is rough to get down

[civic ocean]

I think the main thing that is hard about the Poly fight is that it's not that hard to hit him, and it's not that hard to dodge him/the mobs, but it's hard to do both at once

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah true

[civic ocean]

But I don't really run surface that often

[clear root]

whats the worst weapon i feel like its the flames fr

[green wren]

its either best of both worlds , he spawns adds that you shred or terrible that he spawns adds that body block all your dps

[zenith bolt]

surface is wack bc difficulty mainly just spikes at the ephyra miniboss, poly, and eris and is otherwise pretty chill

[clear root]

flames or skull definmitely worse i like all the weapons on hades 1 better i thnk

[zenith bolt]

like i dont think ive ever had issues with the regular mobs on surface at all

[green wren]

https://tenor.com/view/skull-issues-skill-issues-bruh-hell-naw-how-aaaaaaa-gif-23728802

i hate skull personally so might just be me

[zenith bolt]

ive taken a vow to not argue about torches in here so

[civic ocean]

once you know how and when to pop the shade bubble Ephyra is pretty easy aside from like you said the miniboss and poly

[zenith bolt]

ephyra miniboss is actually like the hardest miniboss in the game

[white steppe]

the ephyra miniboss? like the satyr?

[weary dune]

I love priming attacks and then omega special bombing on the delayed burst aspect tbh

[civic ocean]

Yeah the hero satyr

[white steppe]

I mean charybdis is a miniboss right

[weary dune]

Feels like a more fun Beowulf to me

[zenith bolt]

this fella https://i.imgur.com/jNphYZE.png

[civic ocean]

Charybdis is easier than hero satyr I feel

[green wren]

yeah the guy who has a glock on speed torment 2

[civic ocean]

yeah the glockbow gets me a lot

[white steppe]

tbf you can just choose not to take satyr right, charybdis doesnt give you that luxury

[green wren]

charbdis is just personally annoying because it reminds me of madness progression with the tentacles you have to dps to kil the boss

[warped harness]

that miniboss is insane

[clear root]

they should just add all the aspects from hades 1 or add some better ones

[tired fulcrum]

gigachad satyr

[zenith bolt]

at one point i had either hermes' projectile speed reduction or medea's and it caused all of charybdis' projectiles to just... explode on themselves

[green wren]

hes not a giga chad hes a cheese build he has a shield on his back and hes ranged

[zenith bolt]

which kinda neutered the fight a lot LOL

[white steppe]

goddamn razorback snipers

[weary dune]

I think I enjoy new things in games
I can go play Hades 1 already lol

[white steppe]

btw how do people feel about skull vs oceanus snails

[green wren]

yeah sometimes charbydis projectiles hit the invisible wall that blocks you from jumping into the water and just deleting themselves idk what causes it

[white steppe]

I feel like they're fine on any other weapon and on skulls they turn into sundowner from metal gear rising

[weary dune]

I think Oceanus snails are generally annoying, but not moreso on any particular weapon

[zenith bolt]

hippos are my #1 hated enemy

[white steppe]

hippos in erebus from vow of wandering, kill me

[zenith bolt]

also those aren't snails, they're hermit crabs i think https://i.imgur.com/jtElwlr.png

[tired fulcrum]

Arent they hermit crabs

Real ugly hermit crabs

[white steppe]

bro they have a shell and antennas issa snail

[weary dune]

Fair

Crabs do have the little stalks

[tired fulcrum]

Well technically they both have eyestalks

[weary dune]

https://nationalzoo.si.edu/sites/default/files/animals/landhermitcrab-002.jpg

[sturdy trail]

https://tenor.com/view/punch-beat-up-pogger-gif-22865694

[civic ocean]

they have claws how are they snails lets be reasonable here

[mystic bison]

Alright 20 fear skull is secured

[weary dune]

Special shade snails, clearly

[mystic bison]

Didn't play very well but lucked out on hammers and got Exceptional Talent

[white steppe]

wait since its the underworld is the implication that they were such bad snails that they went to hell

[civic ocean]

tbf though in my head I call them Time Eaters because they take forever to kill and they remind me of the STS boss, which is a snail

[mystic bison]

Nah Oceanos isn't in the underworld

[acoustic pier]

controversial take: Born Again slightly is overrated, and effictivley locks you out of a lot of the Primed boons. Fluid Gain is better on most Dagger and Staff builds.

[winter wind]

Whoa I never realized Time Eater was a snail

[civic ocean]

Are you running Excellence and Divinity

[zenith bolt]

how does damage vulnerability (e.g. Sweet Surrender, Soul Mate) work? is it just multiplicative?

[mystic bison]

Born Gain doesn't really lock you out of them cause the prime isn't that big

[civic ocean]

additive I think

[zenith bolt]

+20% additive sounds... underwhelming

[green wren]

when did elite gorgon get a slam attack ?

[civic ocean]

when u got close

[weary dune]

And with poms the born again goes as low as 1

[tired fulcrum]

When you stand close

[mystic bison]

Always had it when you get close

[green wren]

never seen it before even as melee wot

[mystic bison]

U must have been moving around a lot

[weary dune]

thanks garbage random mom slice luck lmao

[civic ocean]

tbf all lamias have a slam, the miniboss is the only one that hurts tho

[tired fulcrum]

And they spam it indefinitely until you get unclose

[mystic bison]

But yeah can't hug the elite lamia

[green wren]

yeah i just dashed in once and got insta slammed

[zenith bolt]

honestly i think aphrodite has the best overall duos .3.

[weary dune]

You can if you have armor melt boon and high burst

[green wren]

never had that happen even with axe dagger runs wow

[civic ocean]

Apollos seem kinda crazy

[zenith bolt]

the only like bad ones are burning desire and romantic spark, the rest are all quite good

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah apollo is goated with both great duos and great legendary

[civic ocean]

triple dmg on heartthrobs is like my man

[weary dune]

Why does scorch still feel bad?

[tired fulcrum]

Because it is

[civic ocean]

Very underwhelming dmg source without AQ

[weary dune]

Had room temperature and the channeling duo

And it STILL felt like nothing

[zenith bolt]

ehh im not really sold on stellar slam (hephaestus isnt that amazing on attack/special), beach ball (needs sprint), and sun worshiper (summons are bleh)

[weary dune]

On axe to be fair
I was trying it instead of usual aphro speeeeeeen

[civic ocean]

Yeah but the O cast ones are insane and hearthrobs are crazy too

[zenith bolt]

so i think aphro still has more good duos than apollo (but both are good)

[winter wind]

I got 5 testament left. Which aspect should I upgrade next? I have Circe, Artemis, Moros, Eos, and Persephone left.

I'm debating between Artemis or Persephone, they were my first two victories un-upgraded. I've never really tried Eos though. Don't like Circe or Moros or maybe I don't like them un-upgraded.

[tired fulcrum]

Like he has stinkers but apollo has 3 build carrying duos

[civic ocean]

The duos are much more build-around in H2 I feel for some reason

[zenith bolt]

i dont find duos consistently enough to justify trying for them consistently

[tired fulcrum]

Do you not run reroll arcana

[weary dune]

Reroll Arcana so comfy

[zenith bolt]

i like how the first response i get is the most obvious, self-answering question

[rain hazel]

And no option to replace it before chronos...

[zenith bolt]

of course i run rerolls, jfc

[civic ocean]

how many

[tired fulcrum]

I mean some people just dont then complain

[zenith bolt]

10 usually but sometimes 6

[civic ocean]

what are you using them on

[zenith bolt]

when i dont get good boons... like one does...

im not blowing 6 rerolls in one spot, if that's what you're asking

[clear root]

omg the surface is hard

[civic ocean]

What's a good boon tho I guess

[green wren]

rerolling selene into hammer feels good man

[clear root]

No Diddy

[weary dune]

Rerolls and artificer and the rarity Arcana make admittedly low fear a lot more consistent while I get better at learning enemy attacks

Did water heal selene get removed?

[acoustic pier]

only on builds where i don't use much mana (medea and momus, mostly)

[tired fulcrum]

No

[zenith bolt]

the deep investigative analysis into "does pj use rerolls" is insane dude
a good boon is anything that actually helps what im going for (and ideally isnt common when im not running arrogance bc commons are sad)

[weary dune]

I haven't seen in in the past dozen nights

I wish literally any other selene felt good

[zenith bolt]

i just dont take selene much

hexes imo are just another thing to think about

[clear root]

how far have you guys got in the surface i got the barrier down to 4 pylons right now

[civic ocean]

I use rerolls to dodge selene primarily and go die on hex1s now

[zenith bolt]

selene start is everyone's favorite run killer

[green wren]

hex 1 is genuinely so annoying

[weary dune]

For real

[civic ocean]

I'm just saying those runs don't count

[green wren]

just let me remvoe death defiance at that point stop iframing me

[civic ocean]

For the rotating winstreaking stuff

[zenith bolt]

selene spawncamping fr..

[civic ocean]

On the top end I'm banning Momus and Poseidon and on the bottom end im not counting hex1

[weary dune]

At least water bottle lets me nab extra money

[zenith bolt]

blanket banning poseidon sounds weird

[civic ocean]

He's crazy

[green wren]

till its nerfed its kinda justified

[weary dune]

But no water bottle hex in room 1? Time to eat screamer

[mystic whale]

Hi all, just a quick note that I am updating the channel names here & in the Hades I category, you'll start to see those rolling out shortly. There are no other changes beyond the channel names being updated. 👍

[zenith bolt]

🐱

[weary dune]

Yeah momseidon is too free

[zenith bolt]

beyond the flat damage stuff, i dont think poseidon has anything in specific that's truly broken enough to justify banning him outright from use

[round kernel]

Hi, what are your favorite aspects in the game so far?

[civic ocean]

I think Poseidon would be BIS god on every weapon if I ran him atm?

[zenith bolt]

double up too goated... poseidon behind bars for this one...

[weary dune]

It's just momus that cracks it

[green wren]

HAHA is pretty wack eve

[weary dune]

Even on high base like axe?

[zenith bolt]

poseidon bis on axe sounds actually insane

[green wren]

its pretty much an insta wincon if you get a haha on triple poms

[weary dune]

Aphro axe is bonkers for s2w

[civic ocean]

I think on Axe I would take him for the attack boon and the gain yeah

[weary dune]

And I assume same for beeg smash

[mystic bison]

Lmao so now i am learning Nemesis counts as damage done too https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1242098453979598872/1242216246540370031/image.png?ex=664d0788&is=664bb608&hm=71e34139ff75deeb63d487c8d9e6f77cb1beec99124ff21b502ba29e269bcd7c&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[green wren]

did you let her kill everything and not pick up the ghosts?

[weary dune]

Axe I love aphro, Hera, heph

[mystic bison]

Nah she killed like 15 mobs but I still won

[zenith bolt]

and again, discounting literally just his attack/special boons (and things that require them, ofc), i don't think poseidon is this insanely broken god

[weary dune]

I managed a 0 nemesis kill room and am annoyed she didn't have any special dialog for getting locked out

[zenith bolt]

i've had frinos landing as one of my top damage sources

[clear root]

i hsd 2 pylons left nooooooooooo

the surface is so hard omg

[weary dune]

Maybe I'd feel differently about Poseidon attack on axe if it ever gave me his legendary

[rain hazel]

Got him all the way down to 10%...woulda been my first win if I had any other version of mana regen 😭

[green wren]

hes broken to me at least because its basically fully guarented full rerolls and insta removes all weaknesses to aspects

[mystic bison]

this is the closest thing https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1242098453979598872/1242217688236036108/Screenshot_4002.png?ex=664d08e0&is=664bb760&hm=56c7129a3d27f8b1697fc53ec8f06075448217efadb18cb5f608afd70dd647d4&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=770&height=417

[civic ocean]

He's got, IMO:

-top atk/special boon
-2nd best gain
-top 3 sprint
-top 3 status
serviceable 1-off cast
-incredible meta-scaling (life affirmation is 40% from hearts and Double Up is on average 40% more health, gold, AND mana)

You can basically just Keepsake him on any weapon and he'll carry you through everything except bosses (and even the bosses themselves depending on wep)

[weary dune]

Yeah, gotten that one

[weary dune]

Again, gonna need to see source cited on best attack/special

Besides momus

All the sprints are in need of a little more flavor tbh so top 3 there is eh

[green wren]

smithy and demeter are 1 and 2 i assume?

[civic ocean]

I play both Daggers, Mel Torches, and Persephone skull

Poseidon's attack/special boon increases all of these by a comparable amount to Aphrodite without the range requirement AND has defensive value with the pushback

[weary dune]

Double up being better than advertised is likely a bug

[green wren]

or you counting hestia apollo for utlity

[ionic moon]

poseidon making single-target moves into AOE is also kinda huge for momus and pan

[zenith bolt]

top atk/special boon
for momus/pan, sure
top 3 sprint
lol. how is breaker sprint better than apollo, aphrodite, and hestia's
top 3 status
not better than hitch, freeze, and daze
serviceable 1-off cast
being serviceable is the ideal minimum for each god... so

[clear root]

what are the best aspects

[civic ocean]

Breaker Sprint is insane damage

[weary dune]

Breaker sprint is okay damage

[civic ocean]

it's 80 damage common unpommed

[clear root]

any opinions on aspects

[weary dune]

Popping off 2400 with art omega attack is insane damage

[green wren]

momus pan s tier charon maybe?

in terms of viability not fun btw

[civic ocean]

For reference common unpommed breaker sprint deals more damage than the Axe Omega Attack, and DOUBLE if you hit BOTH hits of passion dash

[zenith bolt]

imagine your argument being "i don't even play 2/5 of the weapons and i use the worse torch aspect"

[civic ocean]

I used those as an example I have a 32 fear clear on 9 weapon aspects

All of them except 1 without Poseidon

[zenith bolt]

an attack that is supposed to do damage in one hit does more damage in one hit than an attack that is supposed to damage in multiple hits? shocking!!!!!

[civic ocean]

Breaker sprint can hit more than once what are you talking about

you just hit them again

[zenith bolt]

mf you literally went "80 > 50"

[civic ocean]

You deal 160 damage in an AOE before you have spent as much mana as is required to Omega spin once

[weary dune]

Don't get me wrong, I like Poseidon, I just don't think the attack/special is best on all weapons

[civic ocean]

again that's unupgraded, common breaker sprint

[zenith bolt]

sometimes i think hades2-discussion has more sensible people

[weary dune]

And find breaker underwhelming as I'd usually rather be doing my attack/special unless I have the blitz dash duo

[civic ocean]

It's so crazy tbh like

Again, on the Torches, the Omega special is 20 damage, so Aphrodite and Poseidon are giving you the same damage boost if you're close

[weary dune]

Yes but on big chonky hit weapons like axe/art dagger I'd much rather stack multipliers

[civic ocean]

But Slip is a multiplier!

[weary dune]

Hitspam Poseidon goes hard, but omega stuff seems to like big multiplier

[civic ocean]

Like bro literally does it all

Like obviously you can win without him, I would know I've been banning him, but he's if anything really underrated outside of the two known builds atm

[weary dune]

...is this a bit?
Brb comparing 100+40x1.14 to 100x2

[civic ocean]

what is dealing 100

[weary dune]

Dagger omega attack

No hammers

Despite my addiction to explosive ambush

[civic ocean]

Okay are we counting the other stuff your wave hit or just purely single-target damage, Poseidon's worst quality?

[sudden scaffold]

I just realized that if you get Spirit Surge as your first boon and you have a lot of patience, you can technically clear 49 fear without ever pressing either the attack or the special button

[weary dune]

This was the comparison of big base damage moves/builds

Axe spin/special/chop, Artemis dagger, etc

Things I wouldn't take Poseidon for the main damage move basically ever

[civic ocean]

See like I don't think poseidon is that great on the dagger attack, no, not for crit builds

But I don't think any other god is going to support what that build specifically struggles with (huge amounts of enemies, mana pool issues) better than Poseidon will. You can literally slap him on there for Flourish, Gain, Sprint or Double Up and he outperforms...basically any other god?

Like Hera has a better gain but that's it

[weary dune]

I think my best runs with art dagger have all been aphro Hera heph

And again, I assume double up is getting fixed as it doubling more than minor gains seems unintended

[north vortex]

Is judgement worth it?

Sounds like a risky play style

[surreal hazel]

Once fully upgraded, it's very strong

[weary dune]

(Which is a bummer because I do enjoy YESUH HAHAAAA on poms and boon bags)

[surreal hazel]

also if the crystal figurine arcana selects Judgement, then lol, free run

[civic ocean]

Everything is worth it

[weary dune]

Except the vow that switches off all the Arcana for a measly 5 fear

[warped harness]

yeah i still dont understand how im supposed to do polyphemus with max fury vow without churning through death defiances

[civic ocean]

it's definitely a hard fight

[zenith bolt]

no, not really

judgment is pretty awful, and gambling on crystal figurine is also not good either

making the earlygame (the hardest part of a run) harder by having almost no arcana is not particularly beneficial

[weary dune]

Wait but there's the possibility of checking of the clear chronos with every Arcana prophesy in a single run, though

[zenith bolt]

to crystal figurine, even if you take the most cards you can, you're still left with 9 different cards that can be picked, which is still extremely unfavorable rng

[civic ocean]

does the figurine pick after every guardian?

[zenith bolt]

afaik it only activates once

because crystal figurine is super garbage

probably like bottom 3 keepsakes overall

[weary dune]

I assumed if figurine got judgment judgment would pop on subsequent bosses

[tall notch]

I can only see judgment being good if you somehow have a ton of arcana cards but very little grasp

[zenith bolt]

i mean, it probably would? but like, again, not reliable at all

[weary dune]

Oh yeah, no, it would just be fishing for ALL ARCANA IN ONE RUN for the bit

[zenith bolt]

in theory you could get all of them with this sort of setup https://i.imgur.com/QvmtA31.jpeg
crystal figurine (theoretically) activates judgment, then judgment activates the remaining 8 over the rest of the run

[weary dune]

Would be a funny gimmick

Obviously not one to aim for for more than the bit
But would be fun if it popped off

It's just a 1:9 gamble

[obtuse kernel]

Does the aspect of charon trigger the effect of torrential downpour ?

bc it doesn’t seem like it from what I’ve seen

[warped harness]

is the hestia heph duo boon any good if you dont have a pommed heroic heph boon

[obtuse kernel]

Judgement is underwhelming mainly for the fact that it doesn’t trigger the requirement cards if it randomly achieved them

[zenith bolt]

judgment is underwhelming bc it kneecaps you in the earlygame

and erebus is the hardest part of the game anyway

[obtuse kernel]

That’s the thing, the reward doesn’t even work well if you make it out of Erebus

[sour cape]

Really? I feel like Chronos is the hardest part

Since everywhere else you got time slowdowns 😭

[lament kestrel]

definitely

[zenith bolt]

on higher fear, anyway. once you've got a grasp of his fight, he's not that bad assuming you have a functional run

most of the time if i'm going to die in tartarus, it's going to happen before chronos anyway

[timber pawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1242233536572817509/image.png?ex=664d17a2&is=664bc622&hm=2b21fd175c6c13737652595f2a3db5eea92a927426bcc53b0e3c7802d38397fa& @tall notch wanted to see how quick I could get haha

[zenith bolt]

meanwhile, erebus with a bad start (e.g. selene) can literally just kill your run before it even gets off the ground

[iron flame]

what keepsakes do you guys typical enjoy using

[sour cape]

I see, wouldnt higher fear also make Chronos harder though too?

[tall notch]

That's like 2 mins faster than my pb lol

[zenith bolt]

god -> god -> icarus or hermes -> hermes, medea, schelemeus, nemesis, etc.

[zenith bolt]

a good chunk of the fears don't have that much impact on chronos

[timber pawn]

I got a chaos gate in the opening of fields which definitely cut out a chunk of time

[zenith bolt]

at least, nothing that specifically is making chronos himself harder

like forsaking limiting boon choice does have an impact on overall strength sometimes and therefore chronos but it doesnt necessarily make him himself that much harder

[iron flame]

okay ive been doing similar stuf of god > god > selene/coin > schelemeus just didnt know if any of the other keepsakes are worth using or if they are too niche though ive seen a lot of people like white antler

[zenith bolt]

and some just don't have any impact at all on the chronos fight (barriers, revenants, next region, more enemy spawns, heal reduction most of the time, onion, etc.)

[tall notch]

Did you start with antler? I don't really know the speedrun strats for this game that well, all I've done for speed optimisation were things I learnt in Hades 1 like prioritising Chaos/shops/NPCs

[zenith bolt]

but notably, all of those things make erebus significantly harder

and there really isnt a fear that doesn't make erebus harder in some capacity (except maybe shop cost)

[north vortex]

Best cards to equip for judgement arcana?

[tall notch]

Shop cost does make Erebus harder too since you're probably not affording a midshop without the Boatman arcana

[zenith bolt]

true, i just run with boatman most of the time anyway

[tall notch]

I started running it specifically so that I can afford the Erebus midshop on increased prices lol

[timber pawn]

I did not, I honestly didn't make good use of antler I just chucked it on for last biome. I just opened aphro and then did hera for biome 2. For 3 I might have put chaos on?

[warped harness]

i just cant do surface with the fury vow it's so punishing for any tiny mistake

or i fight eris and she's caked in so many effects that i cant actually see when she's starting any attack

[zenith bolt]

speed at +20% is adjustable enough, +40% is kinda a jump but im trying to get used to it
the biggest problems i think are just gonna be relearning bosses bc my timing is gonna be off

[warped harness]

im trying to relearn everything at 40%

[mystic bison]

Biomes are harder on 40% than Kronos himself

[zenith bolt]

rip gl

[zenith bolt]

i mean this kinda goes for more than just +40% speed after a certain point

[mystic bison]

Yeah true

[zenith bolt]

a good chunk of fears make areas harder but not bosses

[mystic bison]

I'm thinking of having 40% as my regular run speed from now on

[sour cape]

Why +40?

[mystic bison]

Even for fun

[timber pawn]

That's what I committed to the other day, it has helped

[warped harness]

thats what ive been trying to do

[fervent loom]

its fun

[zenith bolt]

yea ive been working on 40 myself. been used to 20 for a bit

[timber pawn]

Also enemies spawn faster! So faster times in general

[fervent loom]

but u need the time slowdown on omega charge

[warped harness]

it's gotten easier for most things but it's made chronos a pain, but the faster enemy spawns is nice

[fervent loom]

or u cucked xd

[tired fulcrum]

According to speedcord apparently it doesnt do that

[warped harness]

and the surface is just unbearable at 40%

[fervent loom]

yeah it doesnt do that at all

[warped harness]

oh dang :( i was lied to

[timber pawn]

Oh rip, well, good to know thank you for the correction

[mystic bison]

Surface might be a nightmare on 40% yeah I haven't tried it there yet

[fervent loom]

nah its not

[spare kite]

[zenith bolt]

shoutout to the anchor dudes on surface for being the worst

[fervent loom]

just cast clutch

[mystic bison]

I hate the swords and the barrel mfers more than the anchor dudes

[zenith bolt]

true

[fervent loom]

the birds are so fast

[zenith bolt]

place cast
enemy charges right through it anyway
surface is the best dude

rift of thessaly got hands

[fervent loom]

wat, u aint placing it right then lmao

[warped harness]

no they just attack through it

[mystic bison]

Swords are worst than the numbkulls, at least the skulls are purple contrast with golden background

Can't even see the swords most of the time and they keep tping

[zenith bolt]

nah the like sword in barrel dudes can just ignore it when they attack

[warped harness]

attacks that move an enemy forward arent at all slowed down by the cast

[zenith bolt]

these guys https://i.imgur.com/rT9MHVY.png

[fervent loom]

ye but they should be dead by then so

[tall notch]

At this point I played so much 40% I'll probably tank every Chronos swing without the extra speed because of how used to the timings I am

[warped harness]

not when theyre also all elites

[zenith bolt]

so true

[mystic bison]

Kronos attacks are too delayed on 0 speed anyway

[fervent loom]

idk i have 87.8 hours in the game, what do i know

[mystic bison]

Throws you off

[zenith bolt]

old man charging up scythe swipe for the better part of 60 years

[tall notch]

Elden Ring levels of delayed attacks

[spare kite]

Even at +20% it feels like this

I should get adjusted to fo2 soon anyways

[warped harness]

visibility is so bad sometimes

[fervent loom]

stop blinking

[zenith bolt]

i wonder if they're gonna nerf eris given she hits harder than like everything else in the game

[warped harness]

probably?

[zenith bolt]

and shes not even a final boss

[fervent loom]

why u standing next to her then xd

[warped harness]

the best way to avoid her damage is by dashing through her

[fervent loom]

also the rapid punchers are worse

[mystic bison]

I think they'll nerf her a lot when biome 3 drops

[zenith bolt]

i mean it has nothing to do with being able to dodge her or not, my point is she's more punishing than chronos

[sour cape]

Yea I feel like theyd nerf her when next boss comes

[fervent loom]

ye but chronos isnt the endgame

[mystic bison]

Rn she is in a sense the final boss for the surface so difficulty probably inflated to reflect that

[wet nova]

he is for the underworld

[zenith bolt]

what

[sour cape]

She deals like incredible amount of dmg 💀💀

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927694753116614746/1242237639713624125/20240508191739_1.jpg?ex=664d1b74&is=664bc9f4&hm=3b6c2b055caad1d1cac0c0f8b32db90f265b9e3cac69fc9a6b047a261d620b23& not the chronos fight but the visibility of these flames is just not okay

[fervent loom]

chronos is just story, surface is endgame +

[sour cape]

Huh? He certainly will be final boss

[fervent loom]

no

[wet nova]

he has to be final boss story wise lol wdym

[zenith bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/aneurysm-hhhhomeboyyyy-kings-dark-tidings-saga-by-kel-kade-reaperleviathan-head-explode-gif-21578105

[sour cape]

Surface isnt endgame+, its alternate to Underworld runs

[wet nova]

he literally stole her family

[fervent loom]

its harder, its endgame +

[warped harness]

literally 😭
it'd be worse if i had the hestia poseiden duo boon but imagine zeus lightning, hestia cast & scorch, and poseiden waves

[fervent loom]

and barely finished, olympus is gonna be good

[mystic bison]

Both will be necessary for finishing the story

Surface runs make no sense if Kronos is beaten

[zenith bolt]

i think this is more "scorch cast needs to be dimmer"

[sour cape]

Thats subjective... its also shorter

[fervent loom]

its also unfinished

[tired fulcrum]

Just make them not damage you instantly

[tall notch]

I'm not having issues with scorch cast anywhere else, it's the lack of contrast here that gets me

[sour cape]

Surface run would make 0 sense if Kronos has already been stopped 💀

[zenith bolt]

entropy is most likely the resource from beating surface, so that tracks https://i.imgur.com/Nyzdmrb.png https://i.imgur.com/Iu2VhML.png

[sour cape]

Yea

[mystic bison]

Lots of visual clutter that impedes visibility - cyclone sprint, steam, Apollo cast etc.

[fervent loom]

you can speculate that, sure

[warped harness]

the steam is easily the worst

[spare kite]

Meg's fire resistance so bad

[warped harness]

i think they could maybe improve things by making effects like those more transparent?

[sour cape]

I mean the whole game is Death to Chronos and killing time, I am 99% sure Chronos is the endgame boss

[zenith bolt]

i mean idk what to say beyond "it's a fire thing on a fire thing"
not that you're wrong, i just don't know what the solution would be beyond either a) making the fire brighter overall or b) making scorch cast dimmer

[fervent loom]

nop

[sour cape]

And when you die "Time cannot be stopped"

[fervent loom]

thats because its unfinished..

[steel sequoia]

finished my duos and got 3k nightmare, feelsgood

[fervent loom]

also you missed the "?"

[zenith bolt]

on today's episode of aneurysm-inducing conversations

[civic ocean]

Sorry I went away for a sec are we talking about whether or not Chronos will be the final boss

[zenith bolt]

3000 bones, not nightmare

[tall notch]

~~What do you think about demeter regen? ~~

[sour cape]

It seems clear enough that Chronos would be 🤔🤔

[zenith bolt]

no please

i have a family

[mystic bison]

Yeah I agree, and the skelly statues requiring both underworld and surface also points to that

[sour cape]

Hes the villain that drives the plot and the motivation for going to surface too

[fervent loom]

and

[civic ocean]

Please can we keep the story discussion in the story discussion channel

[fervent loom]

lol?

[mystic bison]

Anyway pan knives lowkey busted too

[zenith bolt]

its basically one guy trolling and everyone else disagreeing so yeah pretty much

[split crescent]

I've heard rumor that in some forms of mythology Chronos is in charge of Elysium, so that might be a kind of compromise that we get to

[fervent loom]

I'm not trolling though, wtf

[warped harness]

pan knives are pretty sick ye

[fervent loom]

Just because I have a different opinion, does not mean im trolling

[warped harness]

i got the hammer with spiral on the pan knives a second time, i think i lost that run just cause im still not used to 40% speed chronos but it is a lot of fun

[tall notch]

Knife hammers feel pretty powerful in general

[civic ocean]

Yeah they beast

[tired fulcrum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1164101586138710037/1242188723454611587/Hades_II_2024-05-19_18-03-58.mp4?ex=664cede6&is=664b9c66&hm=197a798df3d498ce96b302db29fe9557c3c88b310a6101c8053faa519c70d0a5&
@short hare you can change the special direction by tapping or holding the attack button during the omega animation/while dashing. This is probably a bug so agree that it should be a default feature

[tall notch]

Which makes blade aspects perform really well when you get them

[warped harness]

yeah, though they're super duper weighted towards the omega attack and special

[sour cape]

Artemis is fun but I hate having no slowdown at Chronos

[fervent loom]

not a bug

[warped harness]

the attack hammers kinda stink but it's fine enough

[civic ocean]

Do yoy still parry him

[tall notch]

I mean the backstab thing and the one that boosts final hit of your attack combo are still not bad

[warped harness]

oh true

i love those tbh theyre great together and they carried early attempts

[sour cape]

Oh? You can aim the special toward cursor that way? 👀

[fervent loom]

controller plz xd

[civic ocean]

Yeah it's the Ananas Slammas

[tired fulcrum]

I mean you have to press the attack button to redirect your special, that doesnt make much sense if its intended and its not communicated in any way

[fervent loom]

well neither is the fact that you can cast whilst charging an omega attack, but its not a bug imo*

[warped harness]

hestia is fun but i wish the scorch pop was more common to find in my runs

shes a great secondary got but it's hard to run her as a primary for that reason i feel

armor burn, origination trigger, the ranged cast is also pretty nice

[civic ocean]

Yeah scorch can't be a primary dmg source it has to be picked up with Air Quality for it to keep base, but that's definitely doable as a build around

[tired fulcrum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1239814025559408773/1240835642762727424/Replay_2024-05-16_18-15-10_-_Trim.mp4?ex=664c9efe&is=664b4d7e&hm=037cfd63b945a6f266517a162fce7ed81d6fb1e7c5c31bfb71c73e9f50a033d1& yeah also works on kbm

[gloomy locust]

yall eris is honest to god the easiest boss with the torches

[warped harness]

air quality is the hermes infusion boon right?

[tired fulcrum]

Zeus

[gloomy locust]

you literally hide behind a pillar and special attack her

[sour cape]

Oh thats really useful for dashing back and shooting forward 👀

[fervent loom]

well yes..

[warped harness]

oh

[sour cape]

I hate just being forced to whiff if needing to dodge

[fervent loom]

you can add a dodge inbetween each swing

great for repositioning etc

[warped harness]

also soot sprint is nice, you can invalidate the charybdis balls with it

[fervent loom]

reincarnated mobs are OP af

[mystic bison]

No reason to not run soot sprint every surface run for now

Makes Charybdis easier and hard counters Eris

[fervent loom]

got the punchy guy reincarnated vs cerb, he took his hp down in seconds.

[warped harness]

it does? i shouldve known better i had soot sprint into her 😭

[short hare]

danke

[civic ocean]

Yeah Axe is so cool it has all this anim tech

[zenith bolt]

hermes' infusion is Tall Order - when you have 2 of every element (excl. aether), gain +20% damage

[warped harness]

ye ive been wanting to run that zeus cast build for the than axe

[civic ocean]

Now that we know about dash dunking Charon might be the best axe aspect

[zenith bolt]

i imagine they're going to nerf soot sprint on eris at some point

[sour cape]

Charon supremacy

[zenith bolt]

given it basically no-sells her entire fight

[warped harness]

charon is kinda nuts i loved it with the apollo cast

[sour cape]

But theyd also nerf Eris too I think by then

[warped harness]

it procs all the duo boon effects without needing to charge the omega cast to 45 magick

[sour cape]

Omega cast is 15 though?

Oh unless you mean Apollo/Zeus duo?

[warped harness]

ye i do

[sour cape]

Oh does it actually proc Zeus's thing?

[warped harness]

yeah, at least in my run it did

[civic ocean]

Both the Demeter and Zeus duo boons with Apollo are activated by Charon

[sour cape]

I thought was just during Omega cast

[warped harness]

i did too but i was pleasently surprised

[sour cape]

Oooh which ones Demeter?

[civic ocean]

20% stronger each time

[warped harness]

20% more damage per cast but the cast cost increases

[sour cape]

👀👀

dang thats really good then

[warped harness]

it's wierd though, makes me think apollo cast is meant to get buffed in some way with the damage even though i think the cast power bonuses only apply to the omega cast itself detonating

[zenith bolt]

lol @ sorceress just not working at all on axe omega special

[warped harness]

what's sorceress again?

[zenith bolt]

time slow on omega

[sour cape]

I heard that was intended since block

[zenith bolt]

probably.

[warped harness]

yeah, that would probably feel kinda bad though in regards to the actual special itself

[sour cape]

Yea 😭😭

[civic ocean]

I think Cold intuited that it's every omega that can deal damage while it is charging?

[warped harness]

its already very annoying when im using the staff and get the time slow effect on my screen each time i use the special

[sour cape]

Honestly the dash tech should just be normal behavior

like it should always by default release towards cursor

[warped harness]

sadly i think only apollo and maybe posiedon are the only gods that benefit the omega cast blowing up with charon

[civic ocean]

Idk it does mitigate much of the risk of playing Charon

[warped harness]

is beach ball any good

[sour cape]

Poseidon is otherwise pretty poor for axe 😭

Flat dmg is no good, and the mana hard to use with slow attacks

[warped harness]

yeah

[tired fulcrum]

Poseidon doesnt get the damage increase. Because reasons. Also doesnt get boosted by furies arcana

[warped harness]

oh gross

[tired fulcrum]

Also doesnt get the aoe increased except visually

[sour cape]

Lol what?

[civic ocean]

And I'd still probably pick him up on Charon lol

[sour cape]

Well, I guess Charon is always Apollo then?

[warped harness]

are you immune to damage during persephone omega special?

[civic ocean]

Yes

[sour cape]

Does the cast arcana affect Apollo's dmg?

[zenith bolt]

you're immune to damage when using skull omega special just generally

[sour cape]

Extra dmg for enemies in Cast?

[tired fulcrum]

Yes. Also the explosion unless youre poseidon

[civic ocean]

You're saying The Moon adds 100 power to Apollo's explosions?

[sour cape]

I meant the Arcana that adds +X % dmg for enemies in Cast

theres a flat dmg one?

[tired fulcrum]

Oh i thought you meant furies. But moon increases the initial explosion for apollo too

Not the aftereffect

[civic ocean]

The Moon gives the omega cast explosion 100 power

[sour cape]

Dang Charon and Apollo 👀👀

Worth taking Moon?

[civic ocean]

On charon of course

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah, pretty big numbers

[sour cape]

Oh 😂

[tired fulcrum]

Like with moon and furies on charon the base cast does 250×1.6 = 400

Plus i think 160 from base omega special

[civic ocean]

I'm seeing 375 here

Err 325

But thats using the cast normally

400 when you special it

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah charon adds another 75 from cleave

[tired fulcrum]

Oh nvm its 140. But it can also hit the same enemy twice for 280

[civic ocean]

And only 30% of that is dmg amp

Iirc?

Oh it's 60 cuz of the aspect

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah furies + charon cleave is +60%

[civic ocean]

So it can get quite a few bonuses from Demeter and Chaos beforr it starts to hit diminishing returns

[sour cape]

Hmmmm should take Death, Huntress or Moon?

[tired fulcrum]

Was death dds

[sour cape]

Death is Omega crit chance

[spare kite]

5% crit for omegas

[inner garnet]

who was gonna say that companions block hecate's morph attack

[tired fulcrum]

Oh. Take moon

[civic ocean]

Huntress doesn't work on omega moves

[sour cape]

Oh

[civic ocean]

Death and Moon are both good on Charon

[sour cape]

Well guess thats that

[tired fulcrum]

Idk if death affects apollo lemme check

[sour cape]

maybe skip Death for Champions?

[civic ocean]

I'm pretty sure you want death for the 400 dmg nuke at base

[sour cape]

Got a hard time Fates, Origination adn Champions 😭😭

[civic ocean]

Are you max grasp

[random rover]

I want to say that death does effect Apollo

[sour cape]

29

[tired fulcrum]

Moon you mean?

[civic ocean]

Ofc you want moon but death also

It maths out to a 15% dmg increase on all omega moves yes?

[tired fulcrum]

10% on average

[civic ocean]

Right

[tired fulcrum]

Looks like it affects apollo

[sour cape]

Yea if it crits cast thats pretty good

[frigid kettle]

Such an absolute pain in the neck to get a decent build in this game. The boons barely increase damage and every boss feels like a damage sponge. It's a chore.

[forest veldt]

pretty sure crit affects all types of dmg. not sure about scorch tho

[sour cape]

I guess gotta drop Lovers if want Boon reroll 😭

Or forget rerolling? 😂

[civic ocean]

Excellence and Unseen should be gone

[sour cape]

Im not using Excellence

Or Unseen

[civic ocean]

Due to how regen currently works I cannot see unseen being good. What is your loadout

[civic ocean]

Just play more you'll get the hang of it

[tired fulcrum]

Its kinda hard to fit death in and not disable the queen

[civic ocean]

I play with Queen off yeah

[tawny terrace]

How does the Fear thing work in Hades 2?

[tired fulcrum]

Unless i want to get rid of fates but i like the rerolls and duos

[civic ocean]

I use Arrogance manip to get duos

[frigid kettle]

I'm on hour 30 and run 28 and just had to let myself die during the Cerberus fight because killing him was like chopping down a tree with a butter knife. Just so daunting and boring. This was with several boons upping damage.

[sour cape]

Sorceress, Wayward Son, Death, Messenger, Furies, Titan, Lovers, Eternity, Centaur, Moon, Fates, Boatman, Orignation

[tired fulcrum]

Does forsaking default into duos if it cant offer anything else or gold idk

[sour cape]

Is what I'm using

[forest veldt]

arrogance or forsaking?

[civic ocean]

I think that's a good mood for that fight to feel like at run 28 yeah - the progression is definitely slower than Hades 1! But there are some really cool things you can do once you get the arcana cards and weapon aspects going

[civic ocean]

I always get those two mixed up lol

[forest veldt]

np, was confused lol

[forest veldt]

ya, duos/leg if it can be offered

[civic ocean]

I would personally turn off Origination on Charon because it's actually kinda hard to activate it if you're building towards the duo boons

[sour cape]

Oh no Origination hmmm

[civic ocean]

And you definitely do not need the damage from it to kill Chronos

[sour cape]

I guess kinda consistent getting Daze

but yea 2nd curse is a bit sketch

[forest veldt]

u can get blitz on special but harder to get 2nd when i tried

[sour cape]

you can get daze from sprint

[civic ocean]

You have to take Solar Ring for the duos though, so oftentimes Vow of Forasking will delete the Daze applicants

[sour cape]

but prob want Apollo Special

[forest veldt]

tru, can but not as easy to apply. def doable but annoying imo

[civic ocean]

The thing with Orig is that until you have two curses you are playing 27 grasp right

[sour cape]

29 grasp

[civic ocean]

No like the effect grasp you have active is 3 less if you don't have the curses

[sour cape]

oh yea

thats true

does Demeter Cyclone count as a curse?

[forest veldt]

ya. she can solo 2 curses on cast

[sour cape]

thats really good if you get it for your cast

I guess can skip Sorceress if never going to use Omega attack 😆

[civic ocean]

For my 32 win I think I went with....

Sorc
Death
Messenger
Furies
Titan
Lovers
Runner
Eternity
Centaur
Moon
Fates
Boatman
Seer
Champions

Since you're 29 Grasp you can cut Runner

[civic ocean]

On the contrary you should use omega attack a lot

[sour cape]

I see 👀

oh you should?

I do it but didnt think it was that good

[green wren]

ah boons ran out and i lost my main dmg from 1 option

legit god run and i forget to count boons aaaa

[civic ocean]

The enemies in erebus mostly only have like 200 hp you don't need to set up a 600 dmg combo on them to kill them, omega attack is more efficient both time and mana wise just watch out for armor

I often start Demeter and go Ice Strike unless Tranquil Gain is offered

[sour cape]

Oh you like Demeter gain?

[mystic bison]

What weapon?

[sour cape]

true I like Demeter spin 2 win

[mystic bison]

Demeter gain is p good

[sour cape]

Does Moon do anything for Solar Ring?

or just initial detonation?

[civic ocean]

No I hate it it's bottom 2 gains in the game, maybe the worst

But you cannot take Frigid Ring to get Torrential Downpour since you must take Solar Ring to get Glorious Disaster

And you cannot use sprints well on the axe because you cannot sprint during omega attack and omega special

[sour cape]

You can take the Cyclone in the ring though

which stacks with Solar Ring

[civic ocean]

You need one of Frigid Sprint, Arctic Ring, or Tranquil Gain to be eligible to be offered Torrential Downpour

[sour cape]

ohhh

Frigid Sprint I guess isn't terrible

[civic ocean]

It isn't, but it isn't incredibly useful

[sour cape]

Cept then missing a curse 💀

[civic ocean]

It's hard to get the cyclone going while you're using the charon bomb and omega attack to clear rooms

[sour cape]

What about runs where you miss out on Zeus or Apollo?

or rather Zeus, cos prob force Apollo

[civic ocean]

You don't miss - you use your re-rolls so you're never offered another god and avoid situations where you would be (mystery boons in shops or from narcissus) and you use the keepsakes if you're unlucky

[sour cape]

I always Apollo for Erebus but then like Chaos boon into Circe's or Lucky tooth

hmmmm i guess there is door rerolling 💀

[civic ocean]

I found on 32 fear when I started Apollo I would get rooms with like 4 caskets/hippos (the ranged attackers) and like 8 rushing melee attackers and I would lose minimum 1 DD without any sort of defensive options

[sour cape]

💀

[civic ocean]

Demeter is safer early on and Local Climate is still an insane damage boost for the cast

[sour cape]

what sLocal Climate?

[civic ocean]

Demeter boon that makes the Omega cast orbit you

But importantly it adds 30% cast damage

Which works with Charon

[sour cape]

ohhh I've never picked that 👀

cos wanted Lightning Lance

[civic ocean]

You can get both

[sour cape]

oh that works?

so it just doesnt follow you?

[civic ocean]

Local Climate and Lightning Lance are non-core boons, like Arctic Ring and Solar Ring

[sour cape]

ohhh interesting

[civic ocean]

it follows you if you use the omega cast button

but if you use it like a regular cast and blow it up with Charon it works optimally

[sour cape]

ohhh nice nice

yea makes sense for that build

[civic ocean]

The core boons are Strike, Flourish, Ring, Sprint, and Gain. Those are the ones that are 1 per run

[sour cape]

I seee

giving up Originations pretty hard 😭

What if you just skip reroll and Boatman for Unseen 😆

[civic ocean]

It's not mandatory, you could try keeping it

[sour cape]

50% dmg is a lot 🥹

[civic ocean]

See what works for you! I found it easier to just count how many of each attack I could do before I got a Gain than use Unseen

[sour cape]

yea Unseen is pretty expensive but ugh rerolling doors

Maybe no Moon 😭

[feral mirage]

what boon of selene's do you have?

[warped harness]

why can polyphemus grab me from a like 90 degree angle

[spare kite]

He's melee marth incarnated

[civic ocean]

Kinda really tempted to do a Polyphemus video to the tune of Rock me Amadeus

[feral mirage]

cuz he's just a powerful himbo

[warped harness]

fair enough i can't argue with that honestly

[feral mirage]

i really miss athena's dash boon

had to fill the void with hestia's dash

[tall notch]

What is the Artemis daggers dream god pool? Apollo for legendary + Aphro for heartrobs + Hera for born gain?

[spare kite]

I miss tidal dash

[feral mirage]

i think poseidon has a similar boon like tidal dash

[warped harness]

you dont need to use the attack to get the crits, you just need to block an enemy attack

[civic ocean]

Theorycrafting atm but my thoughts would be Heph for defense, Hera for Born Gain and Spiteful Strength, and then Hestia for Slow Cooker

Pick up 2 of Vent/Scorch/Hitch along the way for Orig

[west rain]

what is the correct way to utilize moros? i feel so clunky te whole time

[tall notch]

How does slow cooker help Artemis? Isn't spamming omegas with the explosive hammer the way to go damage-wise?

[haughty depot]

moros is very clunky, demeter boons help a lot with trash mob rooms

[spare kite]

Slow cooker works on omegas no, more base dmg to abuse your crit

[timber pawn]

Tbh I'd argue you don't even need aphro. The 400% hammer is more important than the 3rd god lol

[west rain]

i currently have zeus attack demeter special hoping to make chains of blitz triggers

[warped harness]

im just not cut out for ranged or smth bc i used a staff attack build and did better than any build with poseiden special

[west rain]

but honestly the stupid balloons go wherever they want and it feels bad

[haughty depot]

i like hera apollo or pos attack more

[timber pawn]

I want to know if Apollo actually changes the moros explosion size

I don't think it does unfortunately

[west rain]

ah i could see apollo making it a lot easier to hit the balloons

[plain fossil]

If moros didnt have a cap on active projectiles it might be actually playable

[haughty depot]

well double wallop is pretty good too, and imo you need a couple ranks in momus aspect for special build to really be broken

[plain fossil]

As it stands ur forced to play really badly to pop bubbles sometimes