h2-builds-and-combat

[plain fossil]

But theres the keepsake duo which is like ???

[glossy rivet]

Keepsake and fine tuning could be good if it was like maybe double the levels or something lOL

[forest veldt]

ya i noticed that when looking over stuff. think fair in some cases since aphro has best % dmg but does feel a bit worse. also think u get less boons in general but not sure on that

[glossy rivet]

Lvl X momus

[honest lodge]

yeah you do typically get fewer boons. In 1 you always use that mirror ability that is like the architect card but maybe better. Really limited the number of minor finds

[plain fossil]

Fine tuning is kind of tolerable sometimes

[forest veldt]

wasn't sure if u get more boons even tho lose the mirror, but doesn't feel as great since can't avoid the minor rewards

[tame vector]

Yeah artificer is a must for me. Minor finds are non chambers

[forest veldt]

artificer still not worth imo at least, its a lot of points

[honest lodge]

doesn't only work on 3 rooms max? So basically you get 3 more boons? But typically it's more boons early. So many times I have like 2 or 3 boons in the first area

[tame vector]

Who needs points when you run judgement

[forest veldt]

judgement also something i wouldn't consider worth using, but if u works for u then go for it

[plain fossil]

I wish the game was tuned so that judgement was good hey

[tame vector]

It's fun

[grizzled igloo]

Judgement is a very FUN Arcana Card to run, but it's ultimately a win more button

[tame vector]

Yep

[bleak night]

they'll probs change that down the line

[plain fossil]

Its really fun to play with that arcana its just that it currently makes the hardest part of a run harder and the easiest part easier

[forest veldt]

can agree on that, winning the gamble feels great

[grizzled igloo]

If you could beat a run using Judgement you could've done it with a non-Judgement Arcana loadout and have more consistent runs

[tame vector]

Plus Circe keepsake lmao

[midnight gate]

Judgements should be tuned so by tartarus you have more cards than you otherwise could

[plain fossil]

A lot of it is the fear mod that makes a2 enemies appear in a1, that mod is horrendous for judgement

[bleak night]

To be fair it's pretty much like that already

[forest veldt]

tbh think getting all cards would be fine if already got that far

[bleak night]

By running judgment, you have 5 cards turned on because Queen and Judgment don't count to the 3 manual activates

So by Tartarus you'll have 20 cards

[merry flint]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/378294922786242583/1242064044731400202/image.png?ex=664c79c8&is=664b2848&hm=a5a8f4db51b652a5f1f2f4ac801e5aaad39f80b4ca55a3461242fd9c813b888b&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1036&height=583

[forest veldt]

ah so already max then?

[bleak night]

20/25

[merry flint]

What keepsake should i use going into fields?

[bleak night]

for Fields? Just run Chaos egg or something

[forest veldt]

oh, would think that all should prob be fine then. i might consider using then if build is good early but struggles late. also makes choices easier since know won't get screwed w/ rng of missing an important card

[grizzled igloo]

also idk if it's patched by there's a cheese strat to using the Hex that revives enemies in the Scylla fight to get max Judgement as early as Fields of Mourning

[bleak night]

for Tartarus you can just run Blackened Fleece tbh and it'll slap

[bleak night]

true lol

Circe's keepsake is kinda useless, in general

[cunning dove]

ive been using engraved pin for tartarus and its just a free win if I have dd's left

[bleak night]

unless you get Judgment on it while doing a non-judgment run, but that's quite rare

[grizzled igloo]

Circe's Keepsake is useless but her "Boons" are hilarious

I'm not talking about the one that shrinks or grows you, I'm talking about the one that removes one Vow from the run

[bleak night]

I'm holding out for the high Fear Surface run experience with everything unlocked to see how those stack up

Medea's boons are kinda fun as well

[forest veldt]

the times are pretty close from what i've been running. eris is a bit slower by 1 min but can prob get down to 30 sec

[grizzled igloo]

I laughed when I picked it and the timer flat out dissapeared

[plain fossil]

Yea theres so many things that currently dont make sense on surface lul im also looking forward to it

[merry flint]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/487676533344043028/1242065027138326640/image.png?ex=664c7ab2&is=664b2932&hm=406a7e951d72fc23385ea8df1bc05544270dda3b3aa0574944a148f58163b654&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=742&height=417

😭 i rerolled too

[bleak night]

lol

[grizzled igloo]

Medea has that one Boon that slows enemies projectiles by like 40% and I'm wondering if that's legit

[bleak night]

that's just really unfortunate

[grizzled igloo]

Like... Hermes has the exact same Boon by his starts at 10%

[plain fossil]

I like it

[bleak night]

that + Hermes 30-50% enemy projectile slow rate

[merry flint]

man i really want to reject boons now

[forest veldt]

its rly good for surface ship mini boss. destorys proj

[plain fossil]

Hermes starts at 30

[grizzled igloo]

mb but still that's absolutely filthy how good that is

[merry flint]

and of vow of arrogance kicks in because i replaced a boon

[bleak night]

The Hermes one also makes Chronos attack slower, even for melee attacks, so it's always good to get

[plain fossil]

Im not sure if the projectile speed mod works on barrels throwers im kind of curious now

[grizzled igloo]

God Chronos is this mixed bag of "I love the fight but does Phase 1 really need to be harder than Phase 2?"

[thick knoll]

what do you think is best cast for thanatos axe

now im using apollo bur curious if there is anything better

[grizzled igloo]

whatever you get, Thanatos isn't picky on the Casts

[bleak night]

Demeter if you wanna play melee, Zeus if you wanna play safe

[grizzled igloo]

Aphro and Demeter come to mind as the "safest" picks I think

[bleak night]

I've become fond of the Zeus Omega Cast Than build for hyper-offensive runs

[thick knoll]

maybe try that for once

[bleak night]

I still prefer Dem, that being said, but the option for Zeus is there, and it's quite fun

[thick knoll]

i havent been using zeus this game much not as good as in hades 1

[bleak night]

each bolt of lightning the Zeus Omega Cast lets out will increase your crit rate as per the weapon's aspect does

helps ya stack it back up really nicely

[thick knoll]

damn thats nice gonna try

[forest veldt]

thats cool, didn't know that counted

[thick knoll]

got axe on level 4 now so wanna see how much this will help

[bleak night]

I only found out when Cold told me lol

[thick knoll]

bit off topic but do you think we will get those companions or something like them back in the future

[grizzled igloo]

most likely

[thick knoll]

goes quite a bit into build her so would be crazy if there would be even more options

[grizzled igloo]

Eris Companion that makes enemies take more damage but they deal more damage to you

[bleak night]

Like, the ones we summon for a massive hit, only usable 5x in a run ?

Yeah, I can see them coming back for sure

[thick knoll]

yup

[forest veldt]

thought that selene kinda filled that gap, not sure tho

[bleak night]

Selene replaces God Calls, if anything, no ?

[forest veldt]

oh tru, thats a better comparison

[merry flint]

i feel like familiars fill that bit

[bleak night]

We'll see, I suppose. Familiars feel like statsticks atm with a secondary combat function and a resource gathering one

[glossy rivet]

selene hexes should give me iframes
also i miss the greater call style of calling out god name then their picture shows up to say "i gotchu fam"

[thick knoll]

part yes but also not
also think they want some reward for the bigger questlines they will put ingame

[forest veldt]

seems a bit op imo and would be required. think makes sense for some to have upgrade for iframes tho

[bleak night]

Speaking of greater calls, they really took the time to record lines for when you use them when fighting that very same god when you anger them during Trials

[glossy rivet]

like activating some hexes vs chronos is a free hit for him bc he doesnt stop while we do stuff

[grizzled igloo]

Yeah Companions were tied to Relationships in Hades 1, so until that part is finished for us Companions feel off the table

[glossy rivet]

greater call iframes weren't that op in hades 1

[merry flint]

??? iframes just ensure popping them isn't a death sentence sometimes

[glossy rivet]

it just lasts as long as the calling animation, should be like that when i fire off hexes

[grizzled igloo]

It's weird since once you cast the Hex the first time in an Encounter Melinoe doesn't do the start up again

[glossy rivet]

like also come on the part where zagreus called zeus and his cloudy visage smites lernie in the trailer was dope

[forest veldt]

just my opinion, think its fine for an upgrade but would feel required to take hexes and build into them if its literally free dmg or can be used to avoid dmg

[glossy rivet]

give something like that for mel calling out selene

though i guess selene's too soft spoken or smth

"POSEIDON!" "WHO DARES THREATEN MY NEPHEW" always nice to get

[grizzled igloo]

I think a good upgrade is to just let all "slow down" effects work on Chronos, perhaps replace the "Chronos Pause" Incantation if they'll ever make that default due to the numerous complaints

[ionic lily]

I really like hexes, but I think their biggest problem is that they're not really worth the opportunity cost

[thick knoll]

the healing one is

[bleak night]

the Demeter ones are the best great call voice lines

[grizzled igloo]

some are, I feel like many people are sleeping on Twilight Curse to just skip Elites and the Miniboss Rooms and Lunar Ray when you really focus on it is hilariously strong

[glossy rivet]

"dionysisss" "possszzzitively mannn"

[ionic quiver]

what do you guys use on the aspect of charon?

[ionic lily]

At higher fears where you get the healing penalty vow, the healing hex loses a lot of its value

[grizzled igloo]

the healing one is a hit or miss if you even get the upgrade that allows you to carry the healing hex

cause sometimes you can just flat out not get it and it's value plummets, also the decrease healing vow

[forest veldt]

apollo cast w/ zeus duo mostly, not sure what others work well

[bleak night]

Apollo on Cast, Zeus on Special, Lightning Lance, try to go for their Duo and Apollo's legendary. Third god is preferably Hera for the mana regen, but Demeter also works for the Apollo-Dem duo

[glossy rivet]

artemis "oh hi remember me" was also funny
also my most used call for instakilling dad lol

[desert mist]

what are good boons for the Medea Staff?

[bleak night]

Medea staff ?

[desert mist]

sorry Circe. Im bad with names

[bleak night]

Oh, idk ngl

[grizzled igloo]

Circe is kinda bad ngl

[desert mist]

darn

[bleak night]

Circe is kinda the least used one atm, because mana regen isn't much of an issue

[grizzled igloo]

there's nothing Circe can do that... Aspect of Melinoe can also do but better

[desert mist]

which is the most generally used then? Meli?

[bleak night]

Momus

[glossy rivet]

amomus

[grizzled igloo]

Momus but Melinoe is the "fun" staff

[glossy rivet]

momus is the get 32 statue quick staff

[grizzled igloo]

^

[forest veldt]

momus fun on first couple runs, becomes a bit stale after

[desert mist]

oh interesting, I personally would not rather be under 50% health at any moment lol

[ionic lily]

Circe's kinda rough, like the only possible benefit of not needing a mana boon is you can use heph's, but momus gets that benefit and is better lol

[glossy rivet]

lol no you dont use momus for the heal

you abuse its higher special base dmg

[bleak night]

Oh, you kinda just spam uncharged special like a machine gun

[ionic lily]

You dont use the healing on momus, its the special dmg boost

[bleak night]

it does 4x the damage compared to Circe and Mel staff

[grizzled igloo]

Thats the thing you... don't. You don'te even use your Omega Special, you use Momus because it has flat scailing on special so you just spam the right click button

that's why it's the "boring" staff.

[bleak night]

it's boring, but it does let you win rather effortlessly

[glossy rivet]

aspect of rambo staff

[ionic lily]

It lets you take the mana and priming vows for free too

[bleak night]

ruined by DynoBot yet again

[forest veldt]

i'm always so curious what words trigger it, never seems intentional

[desert mist]

oh i thought you only got the special buff while under 50% health, i didnt realize it was permanent

[bleak night]

the Special buff is only for damage, you don't really use it for the heal

[forest veldt]

tbh would make more sense if thats how it worked. would still be broken tho

[desert mist]

ok so i assume double moonshot with like Poseidon or something right

[glossy rivet]

i have yet to use the momus special healing

i just go ratatatatat

[bleak night]

speaking of which, we don't have weapons yet that reduce HP or increase it by virtue of the aspect, no? Probably something for the hidden ones

[forest veldt]

yup, can also take forsaking vow and aim for pos legendary. get another curse and ur set

[grizzled igloo]

Not yet, but that's what Hestia is for

[glossy rivet]

bro are they gonna make hidden axe aspect even slower and harder hitting than the base aspects

[forest veldt]

would be nice to have option for self dmg in some way. niche but cool option

[desert mist]

sorry, what exactly is forsaking vow and the curse? saw both of them mentioned but never saw them

[dense elk]

You can use Momus healing out of combat btw

[forest veldt]

forsaking removes the boons u dont chose so limits pool, making easier to get boons u want. the other curse is for the 2 curse card, can be any other curse like weak, daze, frozen, etc

[dense elk]

Just stand next to a wall and shoot omega specials at it until you're at 50%

[glossy rivet]

actually could make the hidden axe aspect maybe faster and weaker than the base variants
bc all the hidden aspects in hades 1 are some sort of heavier variants, change it up
hidden aspect turns axe into dual axes maybe

[zenith bolt]

no i think hidden axe should be even slower

[glossy rivet]

swipe the entire screen by default

[bleak night]

Berserker gameplay

[glossy rivet]

norse myth hidden aspect 👀

[dense elk]

20 second windup, but kills all enemies in your room, the Atlas Hammer

[desert mist]

so i already got the poseidon special on the momus staff, what are some good combo boons with it?

[bleak night]

honestly, just stack Poseidon on it

everything else can be defensive

[desert mist]

alright lol

[merry flint]

just go for poseidon legendary ig

[slate pecan]

Slippery Slope (from Poseidon) is good and then Hestia/Poseidon duo, for even more nasty damage

[vital jackal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1026568872117149737/1242078253448167514/image.png?ex=664c8704&is=664b3584&hm=807a649e3d8f02b315617e965dc22ec00299001a5793e603a766b59c93677e92&

Ok I have a question. I wanna have the time slow thing while channeling thing active but also the duo boon thing

So which other boon should I deactivate?

[hollow crypt]

guys is Vow of Bitterness worth it? not really right?

I think I'd take it if Artificer worked on the Red Onions but afaik it doesn't

[hazy forge]

better would be to disable the sprint one, especially since they buffed the base sprint speed recently

[vital jackal]

Alright thanks

[hazy forge]

oh also, because the Sprint card also makes the Dash instant, you also gain invincibility frames for disabling it, which can be good, even though people dont like it for some reason

[merry flint]

OH NOW I GET ALL THE BOONS FROM HESTIA THAT DONT REPLACE MY CORE BUILD

REROLLS ARE SUCH A SCAM IT DIDNT EVEN SHOW THE LAST ONE

[forest veldt]

it was pretty rought when i tried it, wouldn't be first fear i'd take

[bleak night]

Onion Vow sucks, yeah

[wet nova]

It’s ok for surface but otherwise not good

Cos surface you get way more god boons early on Than underworld and onion only applies twice rather than 4 times

[plain fossil]

thats true actually i might try onions for surface

[mystic bison]

Ye Apollo cast and Zeus/Apollo duo (and Apollo legendary) seems to be the meta for Charon

[rough oracle]

beat eris for the first time, but struggled coz poseidon boon made her so obscured i missed so many visual cues. does anyone else find the boons very uh "cluttery". i feel like im playing overwatch

[bleak night]

it kinda does, feel cluttery at times. Especially when I use Apollo boons on Chronos, and the yellow blends into his yellow attacks, with his golden floor

Needs more visual clarity at some points, like the Hades fight in 1

[rough oracle]

apollo cast is so strong in my opinion but jeez the clutter

[plain fossil]

Ye u cant see anything playing moonstone axe ever

[bleak night]

It has the inadvertent effect of hiding the animation the enemy does with all of that blasting

[spare kite]

Apollo is the new visual clutter god instead of zeus here
(Except you needed like a bazillion boons from him to happen, here you only need the cast)

[rough oracle]

like with bigger boss models i can follow the visual cues for attacks
but for smaller enemies and bosses it's overwatch all over again

[mystic bison]

They def need to make it so visual effects don't completely cover up enemies making it hard to discern telegraphs

Steam (Pos Hestia duo) does this too

[rough oracle]

i was playing the witch staff with poseidon special
which is great if i can dodge attacks if i knew what attack is coming

im not good on audio cues (unless it's scylla coz her are very memorable)
so i get hit way more often in this game than in hades due to not being able to read what attack is coming

in many rooms the space is limited and when you drop down a cast that has visuals
well i cannot see whats going on anymore

[plain fossil]

U will get used to the white flash mobs do before they attack its quite visible even through poseidon

...what i said before automod got me for the 500th time is that apollo cast is a way worse offender

[cloud scarab]

what exactly does the axe do that enhances "recovery speed" ?

[rough oracle]

oooh good to know i actually didnt notice after 20 hours

[plain fossil]

It reduces the lag after swing u can feel it quite clearly if u switch axes in training room

Just spam normal attack u can see

[glossy rivet]

do u guys skip god keepsakes if u use onion vow?

[thick knoll]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1237413291119083550/1242089766489690232/image.png?ex=664c91bd&is=664b403d&hm=a14b1caab7a4a8314d2114cd88cd388e2d3a287bbfd4f8decdeae4a89a77957c&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=481&height=350
should i deacticate for money so i can take epic boon one with me or keep it until i got the final one

[sudden scaffold]

yes, the keepsake still makes the god more likely to show up after getting onioned

[glossy rivet]

does it onionize selene boons too?

or worse, hammers?

[sudden scaffold]

selene and hammers are not onionized

if you get a hammer/selene in the first room it's still gonna onionize your first non-selene non-hammer boon though

[glossy rivet]

damn yet another selene start L

[desert mist]

about the Hera Heph Duo Boon, does that work when you only have their boons for attack and special? because it seems worthless or very specific otherwise

[glossy rivet]

cant even make selene take the onionbullet for god boons

[violet igloo]

Does Priming procc the Huntress Arcana? Sorry if was already asked and answered

[glossy rivet]

get down mr olympian
also i heard priming does not trigger if the unprimed magic is still full

[spare kite]

Yeah priming will just treat that new mp value as your 100%

[sour cape]

Glowing Coal can stack with Artic Ring?

[glossy rivet]

wb 0 magic bc everything is primed tho

[glossy rivet]

spiteful strength only works when there's no boons at all in the atk and/or special slot iirc

[desert mist]

wtf

that's crazy, and also mostly worthless

[glossy rivet]

no strike, no flourish, its dead weight if you got a good boon on them already and you cant sell boons like in hades 1 (at the moment)

if you somehow can plan ahead for it though it could be strong, i mean its 200% damage

thats heroic or pommed aphrodite damage there

[desert mist]

yeah i know but how do you plan for something that isn't guaranteed

you do a run without any boosts in attack or special for a chance to do major damage near the end, it just doesn't seem all that worth it to me

[toxic cypress]

be lucky/unlucky

[glossy rivet]

do you have the codex? just get their requirements, avoid getting atk/special, maybe bring rerolls or forsaking to narrow the boon drops to get it lol

[desert mist]

I do not, asked earlier how to get and no one answered

[glossy rivet]

maybe you can use a cast boon in the meantime kek

w8 i think theres a steam guide for duos

[desert mist]

do you just happen to know how to get the codex?

[glossy rivet]

you dont even have the recipe show up yet?

[desert mist]

nope

[glossy rivet]

i forgot how to get it to show up too
but you need to get to the surface and get golden apples and restore the taverna and follow the requirements for those and you could get the recipes
also try nectaring each of the gods at least once

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3243844568 in the meantime here's a guide for the duos and legendaries

[desert mist]

already restored that, and i might as well check if ive missed a god or not later

thank you though

[glossy rivet]

@bleak night spiteful strength thanaxe wdyt

[bleak night]

Spiteful Strength ?

[high stirrup]

So is hestia strong now?

[glossy rivet]

ya 200% dmg or smth when atk/special slot is boonless

[glossy rivet]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2515900604546661004/4CC359FFF5CAC770F81AE033D8E160D67D81C134/ sisyphus keepsake the boon (and bigger number i think)

[bleak night]

Kinda a bad idea to go attack boon-less that whole time unless you're doing a meme run

I did that for my Big Chop build, but it was a meme run

[sudden scaffold]

iirc you need to get all god keepsakes and then you'll eventually be given the spell

[spare kite]

It doesn't include casts this time but yeah, 100% more than shackle

[desert mist]

Ok so I did miss one of them, thank you

[glossy rivet]

lol zeus thancast start (and being lucky to rell hera and heph next) (maybe also demeter to get coarse grit lool)

if i charge any other cast to omega does it still trigger than crit buildup?

like hestia or demeter's cast dots? or only zeus bc its omega

[bleak night]

Haven't really tested

I should try later, actually

[tall notch]

I know that Apollo doesn't work, haven't tested Hestia/Demeter

[glossy rivet]

[spare kite]

Hestia/dem will prob just count the explosion

[plain fossil]

Big chop is now my favourite bad hammer

Theres something that lights up ur monkey brain when u crit for 1500

[lapis echo]

Boss 2 / Phase 2 - I always focus the “featured artist” since it seems like the right idea, but I have no idea what that buff does for the boss.

[spare kite]

For the drummer they gain more AoE (around them/middle then to the sides back and forth/circle motion)

The guitarist does the dash attack twice and scylla creates more of the pink orbs/her attack with 4 of those yippee style attacks also shoots projectiles during it

[somber dagger]

what does aspect of charon actually do with the "cleave-cast size and damage +X) like i compared special, omega special, cast and omega cast between charon and regular axe and didnt notice any difference?

[spare kite]

When you explode the cast with the special it gains the size/dmg (only the explosion)

[mystic bison]

First ever time I play the Eos torches and I cleared 24 fear, I am literally shaking

This seems to be the optimal build no? @tall notch https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1242098453979598872/1242099076930207774/Screenshot_4054.png?ex=664c9a69&is=664b48e9&hm=6ef4818390881a43713a1fdd9675deb8dfca557d077e7d3b34605e574bd3e5ea&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=729&height=417

[tall notch]

Yeah that's such a good build! It's the kinda highroll I am hoping for to make it through high fear

[glossy rivet]

How does it compare to PINK MIST

[shadow marsh]

https://i.imgur.com/U4D3wIW.jpeg
I can finally play the game feelsgoodman

[mystic bison]

Thankfully I was able to get it online pretty early, only getting Coarse Grit was a bit of a problem and I wasted quite a few rerolls to get it to no avail, thankfully it came in clutch in the final Charon shop. Most certainly brought me the victory, cause I was playing on +60% enemy dmg

[shadow marsh]

coarse grit is a free win if you get to chronos with 100+ hp

[tall notch]

Except if you're playing antler because he'll oneshot you anyway 🤭

[glossy timber]

Is Hera the least interesting pick for boons or am I missing something? Almost every boon seems unremarkable. Especially the Duos

[bleak night]

try the mana regen and you'll kinda just never look back

[mystic bison]

Hera is one of the strongest gods atm

[bleak night]

aside from that, Hera has the highest % damage ratio bonuses after Aphrodite

[shadow marsh]

Interesting != strong

[spare kite]

Hitch is fun to play with when it comes to trashing mobs tbh

[glossy timber]

I like Hestia's.

[bleak night]

Unremarkable means not that good, no ?

[mystic bison]

Hera doesn't lower your hp and gives you infinite mana so

[glossy timber]

Yes, that's what I meant.

[shadow marsh]

Well then you're just wrong

[glossy timber]

Hestia's gives you infinite mana. Priming each time is the opposite of infinite, no?

[shadow marsh]

Hitch is crazy good and born gain makes every other mana boon look like trash

[shadow marsh]

Hestia's can't give you mana if you're channelling. Born gain will ensure you always have mana. it basically makes your mana pool 1000+

[mystic bison]

Yeah you prime like 6 mana each time you drain it, which is nothing

Unless you are playing on high fear with other mana crippling stuff and such, you will never run out of it

[spare kite]

In theory yeah, in practice you'll never prime all your magic in one encounter (unless is highly inefficient/poor dmg)

Born gain also let's you regain mp while channeling

[bleak night]

Oh, she's very good to have in the metric of numbers being boosted for your attacks and specials, plus Hitch is just generally a long-lasting curse you can utilize if you run the Arcana that boosts damage by 50% if you have two. Hestia's mana regen is decent, sure, but I find that the only other real boon I take from her is her Sprint if I can help it

Compared to Hera, who I find myself picking a lot from what she has to offer

[mystic bison]

Hera also has good situational stuff, the Sacrifice Boon is really niche but it can help out in specific situations

[tall notch]

Her cast is alright too if you can't get Demeter's or already have Dem on attack/special

[glossy timber]

Typically just frozen+cyclone in a single cast from Demeter helps fulfill that arcana

[shadow marsh]

Hestia's cast is great, it can basically get you through oceanum on it's own

yeah it falls off but by then you'll have other stuff to dps with

[bleak night]

then run Hera, because Hera and Demeter synergize really well with the Earth boon stacking, allowing you to get infusions off of both of them and meet the condition rather easily

[tall notch]

Hestia cast with natural gas is hilarious, the chain reactions go so hard on the fish

[plain fossil]

I dont like hera cast unless im playing pan its too hard to reposition

[bleak night]

I don't like Hera Cast, yeah

[tall notch]

Oh I was talking about Hestia cast, should've made it clearer mb

[atomic plaza]

whats natural gas a duo boon?

[bleak night]

Hestia cast is fun to have, but I'd really rather not use up one of my 3 god slots for her if I can help it

[mystic bison]

Hera cast can also be good on the Axe spin build (until you get faster channel)

[tall notch]

It's the thing that makes scorched enemies explode on death, I think the prerequisite is just having any source of scorch

[shadow marsh]

no, natural gas is scorched enemies do aoe damage on death

[plain fossil]

Oh u replied to a bunch of hera stuff so i got confused, all good

[shadow marsh]

basically the aphro boon from hades 1

[bleak night]

I find most people rate Hera, at worst, in A-tier. I like to think she's top 2 or top 3

speaking of Hera, I failed my Luigi kill run again

[somber dagger]

whats luigi kill run

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1241565604188655687/image.png?ex=664bfb13&is=664aa993&hm=749362a3e77afab4817518cf92d799216f2102313f1d172854accc92c3b715a4&

[steel sequoia]

what?

how is that even possible? lmao

[bleak night]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6PxRwgjzZw&t=18s&ab_channel=KlydeStorm

[mystic bison]

Hera/Zeus duo

[bleak night]

Queen's Ransom

[plain fossil]

I dont like hera as much as most ppl here but i do accept that its above average god

[steel sequoia]

ohh right

[ivory panther]

how does that duo work btw? is it the total lvl PER boon or the total level divided over the boons

[mystic bison]

Bro how many Zeus boons do you need to get lvl 31?

[glossy timber]

are there any skull and/or torch builds that are utterly broken so I can start clearing all these testaments?

[bleak night]

number of boons x 3

[glossy timber]

I've been avoiding them like the plague

[bleak night]

so I had a level 4 Nasty Comeback and lost 9 Zeus boons

[plain fossil]

If it eats 3 boons all ur hera gets +6 each

[bleak night]

@tall notch

[bleak night]

that's 9, no ?

[plain fossil]

Uh yea i cant do math

[ivory panther]

aha

[bleak night]

me most of the time

[mystic bison]

Only Testaments I got left is skulls on 20fear and a few knives runs, currently at 8fear

[bleak night]

Can easily clear those out, at least

[ivory panther]

kinda wanna see how far i can take static shock on daggers

[steel sequoia]

ive forgot to print but i already lost a run bc of that, was doing zeus and something else and got a stupid hera boon before the boss and only had 1 option that murdered me

[ivory panther]

if i could figure out why static shock stops dealing damage at a certain point

[desert mist]

what boons are good for the Pan knives? Poseidon special and what else?

[mystic bison]

Yeah knives will be a walk in the park I think, Skulls will be a bit harder but if I can get Apollo legendary on Persephone it should turn out well

[tall notch]

Hera start is probably the easiest Eos build to control. You take born gain and enjoy your infinite mana to spam omega attacks. Other solid gods on her are Demeter (for safety, preferred on cast), Aphrodite if you want to passion dash into enemies and play aggressive and Zeus' blitz is alright too

[steel sequoia]

learned my lesson now

[spare kite]

Does it even work on the omega special

[glossy timber]

Cheers. And the aspect?

[bleak night]

yeah, it sucks when you have to replace or lose boons

[tall notch]

Eos

[ivory panther]

i actually ran out of mana for eos melinoe aspect on chronos

with hera born gain

[glossy timber]

Default (Mel's)?

[ivory panther]

made for a panicky situation

[tall notch]

Eos is a torch aspect. Makes your ghosts grow and increase in damage + when you dash they return to you

[mystic bison]

It makes omega attack/special strike twice so I don't see why it shouldn't

[spare kite]

It feels like it does nothing on the Ω special tbh

[mystic bison]

Here is a good Eos build that got me thru 24 fear @glossy timber

[glossy timber]

Nevermind, I'm dumb-dumb. Yes.

[spare kite]

Like sure I see the mp cost increase but don't feel the extra dmg

[steel sequoia]

the problem is when you have only ONE OPTION and cant cancel it

[tall notch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SMlyKuDtRI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M91FJmPktw first video is how passion dash Eos plays, second one is without passion dash

[bleak night]

unfort, yeah

[tall notch]

I'm not starting Hera because I need antler for 5 min deadline but for lower fear you'd probably want to start with her mana gain

[mystic bison]

You tried it on the skull?

[glossy timber]

I'll try to replicate it

[spare kite]

A few times yeah, I clearly see it working on the attack but can't notice a difference on special

[sly scarab]

So do we have a general idea on the best arcana cards to have?

Also what’s the max grasp in the game right now?

[ivory panther]

i feel like extra dose needs a small bump in the proc chance

only weapon it feels noticeable is daggers

[tall notch]

Best arcana is often weapon-dependent, but all the reroll stuff is generally solid together

[spare kite]

Extra dose in attack skull feels nice

[mystic bison]

I started with Born Gain, and ngl I barely made the 7min deadline, if I had 20% more enemies enabled I wouldn't have made it probably

Granted, I'm not that mechanically skilled yet with them cause it was my first run

[ivory panther]

max grasp is 30 btw

[tall notch]

Yeah for 5 min you really need to start with something offensive and probably want origination active before first elite

Or play antler

[mystic bison]

Maybe some Skull appreciators can chime in about it, I tried to get it a few times myself but I couldn't

[tall notch]

Best thing I've done on skull was Zeus cast with Persephone aspect which I'm not sure even qualifies as playing the skull

[ivory panther]

i got the apollo legendary on axe... i can say i didnt really notice it either

[mystic bison]

For me Born Gain start was pretty much a necessity cause I ran with Vow of Arrogance

[ivory panther]

instead of firing twice maybe it just doubles the damage?

[spare kite]

It affects the duration it feels

[tall notch]

Without born gain you really want every max mana upgrade in sight and the offensive thing you picked up carrying you through early rooms before you are OOM

[spare kite]

I was spinning for a loooong time

[ivory panther]

......tahts scuffed

id rather it double the damage then spin twice as long

your vulnerable while spinning, so spinning twice as long isnt exactly great

[sly scarab]

Twas what I assumed

Also also is there a world where the cat is better than Frinos? Attacking for damage sometimes seems way worse than chumping shots for ya

[tall notch]

I only use the cat with antler because going above 30 starter HP is a liability

[bleak night]

you can dash out of it at least, but yeah it feels kinda worthless to have the Apollo legendary on it unless you have Psychic Whirlwind

[mystic bison]

Ngl I can't imagine an Eos run without Born Gain, it drains so much mana it's insane

With vow of pain and vow of arrogance my run was in danger of being bricked, thankfully I managed to pull through with some good mana management, mana upgrades and the Chaos blessing that reduces mana usage

[slate temple]

how do you get Shaderot

[tall notch]

You can take a look at my fear 40 run, I never got born gain in that

[mystic bison]

Ye I'll watch it I wanna see how to play them effectively

[narrow mirage]

How do you make use of Heaphestus?
So far my favorite is the cast

[tall notch]

His armor stuff gets more useful the higher up in fear you go

[narrow mirage]

how about the usual offensive options?

[tall notch]

My only mana regen until fields was the spider armor, and in fields I got Demeter regen

[tall notch]

Idk, people were able to make them work but to me they just feel awkward. Would rather have any other god

Or his duo with Hera for +200% damage without a boon

[mystic bison]

He has very strong defensive boons - mint condition, trusty shield, heavy metal etc.

[shadow marsh]

trusty shield might be the best defensive boon in the game

besides coarse grit anyways

[mystic bison]

Mint condition is also very strong, you can basically rush a room without needing to dodge and stuff, clearing before it even expires

[shadow marsh]

Mint condition isnice to get your bearings on what a combat will look like

many times I get blindsided by something that was offscreen that rushes into me

[tall notch]

Mint condition is particularly useful for elites, a reasonably offensive build can get their armor down before it expires

[quaint orchid]

In tartarus

[gray knot]

Which weapon do you guys use for Cast builds

[narrow mirage]

also, when you get Poseidon omega cast, could you get something for the normal cast itself or then it's just the utility slot only?

[tall notch]

Thanatos axe

And persephone skull

[merry flint]

Charon Axe

[hollow crypt]

my next NM is Torches on 24... I guess I use Eos and aim for Zeus Static and forgo Omegas entirely?

[tall notch]

If you wanna play around Zeus, start with passion dash and aim for blitz on attack after

Then get the duo

[humble arrow]

its in the fourth biome underground

[hollow crypt]

Selene start... Moon Water is good but I have no MP to charge it

[sharp swan]

Anyone know if persephone attack on aspect of moros considers enemies at close range if they're close to the ghosts or close to me?

I'm wondering how silly this can be

[keen wren]

arcana card passive charge

[keen wren]

you mean aphrodite?

[sharp swan]

Oh yeah sry

[tall notch]

#h2-feedback message what do you guys think about this?

[hollow crypt]

I don't have that active

[keen wren]

im pretty sure it measures distance to you not the skull

[sharp swan]

She's P on the keepsake placeholder it keeps confusing me lol

[keen wren]

consider it

[bleak night]

unfortunate loss of Born Gain, but yeah your suggestion makes sense

[tall notch]

That legit ruined my 42 fear with Eos, I no longer had the DPS with Heph gain 😭

[keen wren]

yea i 100% agree. It has been written in that channel in the past and should be implemented

also wasting like 450 coins to get 90 coins because you locked all the other boons

[tall notch]

If you still have a link to the post, I'll upvote it for you!

[sharp swan]

Yeah a few of the things like this severely impact choice to the point where if we could see what's being restricted it would be more fun.

I worry it's going to be another case where high heats we just avoid certain gods again cause their boon pools are nigh useless beyond like 2 or 3 specifics

[tall notch]

For these gods forsaking can actually be beneficial since you have an easier time targetting these specifics, but having to write down everything that showed up (because you can't reasonably memorise that throughout a whole run) is just not fun and we could use the quality of life

[bleak night]

probs best to just forego those god boons in Tartarus when you're running Forsaken

[tall notch]

If I'm tryharding I'll legitimately bring out the notebook and write everything down during pause time lol

[delicate spindle]

For Kings and Queens ransom duo boon, how do you know which will show up? Zeus boon = kings ransom, Hera boon = queens ransom or is it random?

[tall notch]

Or write a boon list before the run and cross things out

[sudden scaffold]

i've only gotten the king's ransom when opening a zeus boon and viceversa

[bronze zephyr]

can someone tell me the optimal difficulty setting for 32 skulls?

[quaint mauve]

hello everyone, i'll probably kick a dead horse if I say anything bad about umbral flames so i'll go the other way

did we find some sinergies that makes it viable?

[bleak night]

For now, I can see that being the only thing yeah. unless someone makes a resource precisely for that

[bleak night]

Someone here regularly runs Torches on high Fear, so seems like it's very viable

[tall notch]

It's very playstyle dependent

[knotty viper]

aspect of eos has very good damage

[spare kite]

You got it correct with zeus = king yeah

[quaint mauve]

i don't really think its bad i think its not as fun as the others

[sudden scaffold]

i've cleared 24 fear with demeter on special and spamming special, but it was a miserable experience

[bleak night]

I'm not the most fond of it myself, either

[keen wren]

torches special doesnt stagger right? thats a turn off for me

[quaint mauve]

special demeter is the only thing i can think but it sure sound awful

[bleak night]

There's a reason it doesn't stagger, to be fair

[keen wren]

cuz it would be op?

[quaint mauve]

thats why demeter special is something viable

[bleak night]

because it's kinda easy to get something dumb like this goinghttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1240870334731653160/image.png?ex=664c168e&is=664ac50e&hm=25d78be223b30bb88878c5c06032ba2309f5adafe4243e5a56004f737bcc90fd&

[keen wren]

bruh.

[quaint mauve]

oooh pretty

[keen wren]

youre the final boss

[bronze zephyr]

Can you tell me what will be easier and more comfortable and with what aspect?

[delicate spindle]

How?! I just did thatg build and couldnt get anywhere close to that much orbiting me

[bleak night]

are you using the base aspect ?

the base aspect lets you retain the orbiting helix for 2.5 seconds longer

[delicate spindle]

Yea, i am using that that makes the orb last longer

[quaint mauve]

i'm not really that deep in the game (i think), i've beaten both ways some times now

[tall notch]

How fast are you at the game? Are you comfortable with 5 minutes deadline?

[bleak night]

get the hammer for +1 orb per Omega Special and the Apollo legendary so you can get 6 orbs in one go

[glossy rivet]

what are builds where kings ransom is actually worth taking
i always skip it unlike when i get offered queens ransom

[bleak night]

besides that, it's all luck in regards to how much casttime reduction you can get from other hammers and Chaos

[bleak night]

I can't think of a moment where you'd want to lose all your Hera boons ngl

[knotty viper]

could just make the normal special stagger and not the charged ig

[tall notch]

Zeus cast builds could give up their Hera in Tartarus to really turn Chronos into ground beef

[bronze zephyr]

I can quickly clear rooms, yes

[quaint mauve]

i'll try to go for funny singularity wand build

[bleak night]

that'd be nice, yeah

[glossy rivet]

also how does pinkmist compare to eos torch

[bleak night]

Cold does Eos regularly on 40 Fear, so idt my meme build can compare lol

[quaint mauve]

i play whichever weapon has the bones thingy so it might take some time to start the wand enjoyism

[glossy rivet]

i think i saw a build above where hera-demeter is also good on eos torch?

[delicate spindle]

Eos with Pure zeus build is kinda nutty, Similiar amount of damage but a lot safer cus torch attacks stagger

[bleak night]

I feel like Hera-Demeter on anything will be good because of the general damage of the build + the defensive properties

[glossy rivet]

ill ask @tall notch whats a good normie build for doing 24 fear torch?

[hollow nova]

I had a psychic whirlwind and furious whirlwind build and I became an axe enjoyer

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927694753116614746/1242122236337586207/image.png?ex=664caffa&is=664b5e7a&hm=2040e6d24f2bd9e8ae9fa9364f800f505abdcb7fe7ac144878d3f3ad3c4a7c20& Then this could be a reasonable 32 fear, you can exchange extra HP or reduced healing for revenants if you are comfortable with them

[bleak night]

SpinToWin

[hollow nova]

https://tenor.com/view/im-a-beyblade-twirling-turning-around-dancing-break-dance-gif-14605948

[knotty viper]

was just trying to do it with eos build but ended up just killing stuff with zeus's cast

[quaint mauve]

i'm so excited for extreme measures

[bleak night]

[hollow nova]

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-spin-gif-21121522

[tall notch]

I'd say Hera start for born gain and then looking for good attack scaling. If Aphro shows up you can get heartrob + Apollo's attack/special for the Apollo+Aphro duo

[umbral gazelle]

mmh, hi. Any idea if the "Reflect" thing from Hera proc on the 999 spells of Chronos ?

[bleak night]

it doesn't

[tall notch]

But don't force Aphro if she doesn't show up and just build into Hera more with something like Demeter for safety

[quaint mauve]

is there a way to look up all boons?

[tall notch]

Codex incantation once you have all god keepsakes

[bronze zephyr]

Thank you very much, but as for the aspects, what is better to take?

[glossy rivet]

is rebuke/blue hearts punishing vs torches?

[bleak night]

not that much

[tall notch]

Eos your favourite aspect

[bleak night]

since your attacks come out rather quickly, you can just break through the blue hearts

[quaint mauve]

i knew it, still missing some because i'm overfeeding nemesis

[glossy rivet]

hmmm

[quaint mauve]

and artemis ofc

[bleak night]

@tall notch How much resources do you have at this point

[tall notch]

Eos can deal with them reasonably well since the ghosts will be flying forward and getting rid of blue hearts on mobs

[bleak night]

also how many nights do you have recorded ingame already

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927694753116614746/1242123284783435776/image.png?ex=664cb0f4&is=664b5f74&hm=d79880f2a6afbb4e64380b25597ff5c2db0673741969a0e54e25d0a5c882d372&

And 542 nights (though probably at least half of these are Erebus resets lmao)

[tame vector]

Gods DAYUM

[keen wren]

i have more trash than you lets gooooo

[tame vector]

I'm just so happy they actually put in a magical girl aspect

[tall notch]

It's because I stopped cleaning up after Eris. She can be as messy as she wants, I don't judge 🥰

[quaint mauve]

no entropies?

[bronze zephyr]

Yes, my favorite aspect of EOS!!! Thank you so much for your help! Good luck

[bleak night]

How many runs have you done to get 206 cinder wtf

[keen wren]

im pretty sure you cant get it in the game yet

[keen wren]

at least 206

[quaint mauve]

i would bet on that

[tall notch]

I've also been spending cinder quite a bit early on lol

[bleak night]

what do you spend it on again ?

[tall notch]

There was some incantation for I thiiiink moondust?

[tame vector]

I squandered my stardust making cookies, now I'll suffer when i need it in the future

[bleak night]

Oh, I see

[tame vector]

Although bones

[keen wren]

do chaos trials

[sudden scaffold]

narcissus gives a metric load of stardust once you complete his quest

[tame vector]

Only the cruel hard ones left

[keen wren]

this ^

[tame vector]

Oh

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927694753116614746/1242124360366686288/image.png?ex=664cb1f5&is=664b6075&hm=99f0e8a6f657d8ab38bc34537d05ffa013d5e9b1b06f391b112aa989d39d3bc4& also uh what keepsake am I missing?

[quaint mauve]

how many there is? the hardest for me till now was the tight deadline third boss one

[tame vector]

Echo?

[spare kite]

Echo

[keen wren]

echo

[tall notch]

You can gift Echo?

[spare kite]

Talk to her, back off and approach her again

[tame vector]

Yes?

[quaint mauve]

lmao, you guys did the echo thing

[keen wren]

yeah there was a bug whrer you had to wait after the chat ubbles to gift her

[tame vector]

HOW DID YOU MAKE A BAJILLION NIGHTS WITHOUT GIFTING ECHO??

[ember gale]

The chaos trials all arent that hard but its sometimes a bit rng

[spare kite]

Most of them didn't pass erebus probably

[keen wren]

it should be fixed now

[tall notch]

LISTEN I AM RUNNING 5 MINUTES DEADLINE, EVEN THOUGH THE TIMER STOPS IN HER ROOM I AM ZOOMING PAST REGARDLESS TO KEEP UP THE PACE

[tame vector]

I wanted to ask, is concave stone considered good?

[bleak night]

gift echo

[quaint mauve]

don't you stop to breath?

[tame vector]

MAYBE YOU SHOULD BE STOPPED FASTER

[hexed shale]

What are y'all setup for high heat? Like Getting from 6 > 12 >24 > 32? What fear do y'all pick first?

[tall notch]

Okay fine I will do a gift echo run, pls suggest some funny builds for daggers

[knotty viper]

lol

[slate pecan]

i built a trash ring around Eris
https://imgur.com/a/bLO6xcU

[spare kite]

Supergiant need to put more vocal tracks in their npc rooms so people chill

[sudden scaffold]

i have it maxed and it's meh, it would be good if you could choose the boon but it's random (both the activation and which boon gets picked)

[quaint mauve]

feels like a personal thing, i start with deadlines one cause i don't really bother about time

[keen wren]

ummm the trials have a set seed though ??

[bleak night]

What Fear/Heat are you at rn ?

[hexed shale]

Rn I'm like 8

[ember gale]

Its pretty decent if you're running the rarity arcana and get the right boon, but sometimes its just bad

[tall notch]

They have set god pools but there is definitely rng. I was doing the Aphro rift thing quite a few times and it's rng whether Charybdis shows up

[spare kite]

Biggest eris fan

[bleak night]

what do you have turned on rn so I know what you can try for 16 ?

[ember gale]

I just did the last one and got completely different boon choices and no charybdis on the second attempt

[bleak night]

how did you do this

[keen wren]

oh yeah i meant the boons

[glossy rivet]

born gain at white rarity (10 magic) is fine right

[mystic bison]

I got like 170+ trash

[hexed shale]

Oh I genuinely can't remember except the one that gets chance of spawning enemy from the next area, higher enemy hp, and more damage? Something like that

[glossy rivet]

hera born gain start les goo

[slate pecan]

i just don't pick up what she throws around, only on the path leading to her

[bleak night]

How do you put down trash ?

[hexed shale]

i turned them on and forget about it

[bleak night]

Oh, so it just accumulates ?

[slate pecan]

it lingers, yes

[quaint mauve]

probably just get the trash where its not where they want

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927694753116614746/1242125497522192546/20240520154249_1.jpg?ex=664cb304&is=664b6184&hm=2269c07430bf90ba064c95a2fef2b3ec0579b493a035263f26a06a6484afa3ff& don't mind us, just my girlfriend and I hanging out in the heap of trash she made 🥰

[glossy rivet]

eos does born gain rarity matter?

[quaint mauve]

eris looks awfully a lot like my aunt, and she behaves somewhat like that, kinda weird experience

[bleak night]

Try this out, +20 movement speed so you can get used to it later on, then the ones for mana priming are on so you become more careful of your boon choices, because you'll need this on anyway in 32 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1242125683078201365/image.png?ex=664cb330&is=664b61b0&hm=d70fa3790570bfc27943384317d0b553ffc2f0ea5ace692da086bc1c6fae94d2&

[glossy rivet]

i got full arrogance vow though so maybe i shouldnt rarify my common born gain?

[hexed shale]

Thanks man appreciate it

[tall notch]

Yeah it kinda does, it is possible to OOM Eos if you don't get enough damage

[quaint mauve]

did anyone finished max fear already?

[bleak night]

just realized I have 7 min timer on, so you can probs put two levels into Rebuke (the blue hearts)

[slate pecan]

following the hades 1 advice from someone wise i started with +40% speed vows, even when i needed lower fears i was always taking it. That and the timer to get used to thinking about speed all the time. Vow of arrogance II seems relatively easy to deal with too, and +40% gold prices

[glossy rivet]

ok ima rarify born gain i gues

[tall notch]

IF you are feeling lucky, take common and make it heroic through fountain after erebus

[glossy rivet]

does arrogance only prime from the most recent boon? sometimes i see my arrogance prime reduce

[tall notch]

But you'd have to get no other commons for the entire region

[hexed shale]

Yeah I'll probably have to do rebuke bc my fastest clear is like 30 minutes

[tall notch]

Arrogance behaves weirdly, like I think it removes the prime if you rarify the boon after getting it or if you pom it

[hexed shale]

I'm still gneerally low investment rn

[mystic bison]

Tbh I didn't notice much difference on 40% speed, maybe cause I got used to 20% so much

[slate pecan]

i think it may be bugged, sometimes it stacks and sometimes i can just tell i have less primed than i should by counting rarities. my theory is that if you get something primed in the first location you don't keep it

[bleak night]

that's fine then, probs turn up the enemy speed if you can help it, because it'll help you get used to enemies just acting quicker as you go

[glossy rivet]

yuh
pom time
also not gonna do narc keepsake just in case i need to force a god?

i mean eh

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927694753116614746/1242126640667164743/image.png?ex=664cb414&is=664b6294&hm=e00731d8cd2e1e772fbb9095fd1bbf93bb605d6d702339cd42492e88a248e764& I wish you could dump these things into bones

[mystic bison]

Whoah

[bleak night]

moneymoneymoney

[slate pecan]

come to think about it, narc keepsake isn't that bad. i remember leveling it up made for easy times. maybe if you can still get healing it's ok

[glossy rivet]

is hestia good on eos torch? special?

[mystic bison]

I'm still on the Charon credit card grindset I need more fated fabric

[slate pecan]

especially liked having just one or two good boons common then i was guaranteed a good rarification

[bleak night]

how's your fish catalogue btw

[tall notch]

Special boon is kinda whatever, I only special on Eos between mob waves

[glossy rivet]

yoo with hestia-hera duo would i be constantly making scorch?

[tall notch]

Almost empty because I sell them for bones somewhat regularly

[glossy rivet]

it doesnt seem like hestia would be worth it for hera eos?

[tall notch]

Yes you would be, channeling even the normal attack scorches

[bleak night]

Oh, I like keeping my fishies https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1242127098588430376/image.png?ex=664cb481&is=664b6301&hm=4a0287652d6d47551a9539ebcf3edd3cb7fe6bec850afea9d2bdbeb0495e9a06&

[hollow crypt]

#h2-victory-boasting message
I beat 22 Fear yay
Last Gasp is actually so good, +50% thanks to Toula and Skelly Schelemeus

[glossy rivet]

huh ok maybe hestia-hera could be good ima try that

[tall notch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4IvsUusSBU Hestia is pretty good on Eos if you get air quality but that genuinely requires the stars to align rng-wise

[glossy rivet]

man
earlier today i started a run with zeus keepsake start
i wasnt offered air quality the entire run

[tall notch]

Also her cast is good if you can't get Demeter's

[glossy rivet]

guess ill take hestia cast for now

[tall notch]

Hestia cast is my 2nd favourite for Eos

[glossy rivet]

forsaking her magic regen and atk

[mystic bison]

I am too afraid to sell them cause they might be made necessary for incantations in the future

[bleak night]

lol probably not

[mystic bison]

I hope not

[tall notch]

It's sometimes kinda hard to recommend Eos builds because the aspect is just so versatile you could run whatever and still probably clear up to 32 fear

[glossy rivet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/643633434228686874/1242128137303887984/image.png?ex=664cb579&is=664b63f9&hm=d708228f8aef6ab313d6236c59e6418d86cbc2c84b15b77e20caa9d9984ec9fe& do i get arrogance'd for chaos?

otherwise maybe i should just take talent over blood

[slate pecan]

iirc you don't

[glossy rivet]

aight it didnt
also got demeter next room
where do i put her if i already used the cast slot? special?

[tall notch]

Talent is good for Eos if you are not running Aphro for heartrobs

[tall notch]

Look for cyclone cast/rare crop/attack

[glossy rivet]

u got it

does rare crop not trigger arrogance?

[tall notch]

Only rarity from rare crop itself, rarifying boons doesn't

[glossy rivet]

epic
so arrogance only works if i pick a boon?

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927694753116614746/1242128616532348988/image.png?ex=664cb5eb&is=664b646b&hm=f016abdfcd2e5add39668c557e52869af0c9bb40c139f94a74bf45ab1c290451& Do you guys have suggestions on how to fit in the Titan on Artemis daggers?

[bleak night]

not having any good luck with these Luigi runs, I'll try again another time jfc

[tall notch]

Or do I just skip titan

[bleak night]

do you need Titan for a run where your main goal is to get the echo keepsake or are you doing it in high Fear ?

[glossy rivet]

tfw common demeter attacK
its ok?

[slate pecan]

remove huntress? i think it doesn't apply to omega attacks right?

[tall notch]

It's just gonna be a for fun 6 fear run

[bleak night]

probs just forego it then

[tall notch]

Ohh do you not use normal attack combo on Arty? I wanted Huntress for that + it enables me to have the epic thing

Tbf I haven't played much Artemis, still figuring out the playstyle

[slate pecan]

spam omega attack is the way i believe

[bleak night]

that or just take away Boatman because you get money easily and at 6 fear things don't cost as much

[spare kite]

Pick up explosive ambush and have fun

[slate pecan]

it charges up really fast and does decent damage and counts as 2 attacks towards criticals from parry

[tall notch]

that removes the centaur 😦

[glossy rivet]

bruh
bruuuh
soot sprint or hestia-hera duo?

[bleak night]

remove Fates and use all that extra grasp to activate things that'll allow Centaur

[spare kite]

I wish there was another way to charge up Ω attacks
Mostly so you can use wolf howl's crit with it

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927694753116614746/1242129559420145714/image.png?ex=664cb6cc&is=664b654c&hm=6dd031972c1093a48fee961ba52b469476bed91dc8876d9f93e275a218910032& something like this maybe?

[bleak night]

was thinking a key or trigger button you can use to forego an attack

[glossy rivet]

do i really need hestia-hera duo if i already have hestia cast?

[bleak night]

yeah, looks good for a meme run, honestly

[frank creek]

What long range build do you guys think is the best for chronos and overall?

[tall notch]

Don't need to target it but if it shows up you might as well take it

[spare kite]

Amomus staff

[slate pecan]

probably momuseidon, both categories

[glossy rivet]

okay
though too bad about the soot sprint forsaking

cyclone sprint still good tho right? or even hitch sprint

[tall notch]

I mean are you really sprinting much with eos

[glossy rivet]

fair enough

[tall notch]

Cyclone sprint is probably solid

[knotty fulcrum]

how should I get 32 fear on surface? momus?

[desert mist]

aside from Hera, what casts are good for the Pan knives?

[glossy rivet]

yeah im gonna stock up on soul tonics because i fully prime quite often i think

132 max magic 58 primed

got three gods already though so maybe ill take narc keepsake
but should i take it when im at full health tho? could still go for the rarifying thing at least

[knotty fulcrum]

hera ain't that good imo, but proly any cast that inflicts some curse effect works. My personal favorite on almost all builds is demeter

[desert mist]

isn't hera good because it makes the cast last a lot longer? feels like it'd work well with the pan knives

good to know though, thank you

[glossy rivet]

narc keepsake rarified my pressure points instead of dem attack

[knotty fulcrum]

maybe. I just don't like that I can't move it often enough

[glossy rivet]

is
is 6% crit chance to everything anything worthwhile?

[mystic bison]

Anything works, Hestia is good to proc Origination and build into Pos+Hestia duo

[tall notch]

Idk if hitch sprint works on Eos at all? Haven't tried it myself

[glossy rivet]

i heard people saying pressure point was meh even in h1

[tall notch]

It's pretty good damage

[mystic bison]

Curses apply on dash so it should

[primal acorn]

how do i learn to stand using the double wands?

[glossy rivet]

huh ok better than heroic smolder ring i guess

[spare kite]

It was nice with hunter's mark

But when you can only get 1 arty

[mystic bison]

In Hades 1 pressure points built into her legendary too

[spare kite]

yeah but the legendary is a myth when you need it

[glossy rivet]

uhhhhhhhh dem lasers

bro i spent 90 golds for preserved hope and its the one time i beat hecate while leaving at full hp

YO IM OFFERED BARREN

[spare kite]

Barren gang

[glossy rivet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/643633434228686874/1242133182715924560/20240520231317_1.jpg?ex=664cba2c&is=664b68ac&hm=40fc4b61a89d1b0ec85d830cb5c275457637c1cdadf9eb9b6810a5538d38b0fe& DO I THROW MY RUN

or i could be a normie and take chant

[spare kite]

The prophecy calls you

Actually what fear is this

[inland thunder]

8 encounters holy

[glossy rivet]

24

i wanna grab my last testament

[spare kite]

Flip a coin then

[glossy rivet]

welp ima take chant
besides isnt the reward for the prophecy just bones?

[spare kite]

Yeah

[slate pecan]

you'll get the prophecy yet

[spare kite]

Also I saw a #h2-victory-boasting post with like 3 chaos infusions lmao

#h2-victory-boasting message

[mystic bison]

Damn I didn't know Chaos can disable Arcana too

[glossy rivet]

oh god
i got BANISHED to the ASPHODEL REALM
and then dropped into deep serpent

how good is 750% nasty comeback if i dont build for it

[queen charm]

the real crime is there's no video of how this run went

[spare kite]

I just realized
They have heph attack

[bleak night]

That last post has a 35 boon count

[spare kite]

And now 36

[bleak night]

I didn't realize it could go that high, mine never reached past 32 even with Path of Stars and Charon Well items

[knotty fulcrum]

.

[slate pecan]

i feel like while momus isn't as strong on the surface, i made it with mel aphro torches

[knotty fulcrum]

aphro on attack or special?

[slate pecan]

that being said momus is probably still out there. aphro on special, spam omega special

[knotty fulcrum]

ah ok never tried that. I'll do a test run maybe

[glossy rivet]

THANK YOU CHAOS EMBRYO FOR THE 82% ATTACK

lets hope i dont go through 8 encounters in Fields so i can keep it forever in tartarus

[coarse pewter]

Beaten both underworld and overworld bosses a couple times now and I have a few questions about game stuff that I'm hoping someone in here may know...

1. If I have zeus' omega cast with 60 dmg per trigger, and I take his boon that says 'hold cast to aim the circle... dmg = 50', does that add to my 60, does it remove my omega cast ability, or does it overwrite my omega cast?
2. For ||hades last gasp|| does it count if I have bought ||death defiances|| in effect giving me a possiblity of up to +60%, or just the current missing ||death defiance||

[slate pecan]

also a good amount of mana and regen would be good, born gain is probably the best

[knotty fulcrum]

You proly can if you sacrifice some triple rooms for some one encounter locations

[inland thunder]

I'd like to ask if the persephone aspect works because I'm not sure how it does

[sour cape]

The aim circle just deals dmg when the cast is made

[spare kite]

Lightning lance is a separate instance of dmg to your core cast

[sour cape]

Yea

[slate pecan]

i think you add and DDs count even if bought (and lost) i mean they don't if you bought them back from what you lost before

[coarse pewter]

oooo, potential

[frail hare]

It works, it just charged up very slowly. Like you can use it once or twice per biome at best in my limited experience. The meter keeps charging over multiple encounters.

[slate pecan]

look for the number next to empty defiance icon

[spare kite]

It does work but charges glory stupid slow

Zeus cast helps somewhat (but if you wanna have like full charge you pretty much go through an entire biome)

[inland thunder]

I see, I just wasn't sure how much it changed my run

[spare kite]

Right now you pretty much just take it for the passive +30% buff to your omegas

Play it as a cast aspect or spam specials while ignoring glory

[inland thunder]

Got it

that's mostly what I did with it tbh

[timber pawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1242138454197014581/image.png?ex=664cbf15&is=664b6d95&hm=f37d785379c12fcd345346182f9c2cce63da40e326aee5e4b77e1477cbe0622b& I think heph and demeter are really going to become high heat staples. This run i was invuln for 16 seconds every room and in boss rooms I could get hit 5 times before the boss touched my hp lol

[dusty jolt]

I've seen people go Apollo attack on the Thanatos axe but surely it isn't better than Aphro right?

I assume it's because of the legendary

[spare kite]

The range is stupid good at safety

[timber pawn]

its less damage but allows you to zone enemies, ya

[spare kite]

Is like similar size to asterius swipes in H1 lmao

[ionic lily]

its a lot safer with apollo atk on than if you're doing spin to win

[glossy rivet]

tfw no coarse grit even though i went hera-dem

going into tartarus one DD short

do i grab fleece or skelly tooth (also i have toula)

[frail hare]

How about Knuckle Bones?

[glossy rivet]

maybe
though i only have it rank 2

[ionic lily]

great opportunity to get more encounters for it then

[frail hare]

I use Evil Eye most of the time because Chronos is the only thing in the Underworld that kills me anymore, but Knuckle Bones is usually my go-to if Evil Eye is stuck on someone else.

[glossy rivet]

do i grab old grudge or last gasp from hades?

[sour cape]

Last Gasp imo

[glossy rivet]

no im not offered deep dissent
alright ig

though i have 7 rerolls lel
maybe ill spend it on juust one

oh great now i have neither options

[spare kite]

What else do you need for the run anyways

[tall notch]

Artemis enjoyers, how do you deal with Scylla? Whenever I tried to omega attack her she'd just block

[timber pawn]

I think maybe you can get a side angle?

[tall notch]

Apollo attack is good safety if you deal damage with something else like Zeus cast

[vale shard]

having reached max grasp, this my fav loadout, as well as 20 fear set up
https://imgur.com/a/yYoU0Mv

[timber pawn]

otherwise I guess parry and then make her eat daggers for breakfast or something

[spare kite]

If you have slow you can go behind her, then the omega will actually put you in front of her

[tall notch]

Oooh thanks!

[timber pawn]

this is better than my plan lol

[spare kite]

Channel speed prob works for non slowed scylla if it is fast enough

[timber pawn]

kind of funny that Scyla hard counters artemis

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927694753116614746/1242142040209231872/20240520164848_1.jpg?ex=664cc26c&is=664b70ec&hm=dc8bfabeef7b13569395a8912cb1fe32cb58b6b771dfd9c632b7cd8d14cec969& @bleak night @tame vector I finally did it

[knotty fulcrum]

how did you trigger it. I know I also strugled a lot to get it but don't know what I did

[spare kite]

Talk, back off, approach again

[knotty fulcrum]

Ah you can gift only after talking? wierd

[timber pawn]

alright now go brick a run by accidentally sniping rare crop with it, or a sacrifice boon

[glossy rivet]

YUH
somehow made it

#h2-victory-boasting message CHANTERS RISE UP

[spare kite]

Gg

[tall notch]

I bricked the run by taking Zeus regen when I had 2 prime boons lol

I thought I had enough mana but I didn't actually do the math

[glossy rivet]

almost bricked my run too by choosing proper upbringing lol the massive increase in primed magic almost thought im gonna screw myself over out of having magic

[tall notch]

EOS GAMING

[tall notch]

I talked to her, walked off, returned and she let me gift her

[glossy rivet]

also it doesnt seem pomming my stuff makes the prime go away

ok im convinced even on relax runs i should probably use forsaking to guarantee the rare stuff probably maybe

[dusty jolt]

Follow up question, does "extra dose" work with the omega attack?

[versed bear]

I think it does.

[spare kite]

Nah

Is attack only

[dusty jolt]

Hmmm

[glossy rivet]

oh also circe's animal familiar boon makes toula give u another DD

[inland pumice]

Okay, quick tip for anyone using aspect of Eos torches: do not take the hammer that makes your attacks split in two. It makes them split off at an angle, which means they won’t be lined up to come back to you and hit the enemy when you dash

[tender flint]

im not understanding what aspect of chiron does?

[inland pumice]

You can probably still make it work but you’ll have to reposition a LOT

[inland pumice]

If you put your normal cast on the ground, and then hit it with the omega special it detonates

Just like your omega cast does, when it runs out

[tender flint]

I personally do take it and then run around in a circle it does a lot but thats me

[glossy rivet]

does split fire work on omegas

[tender flint]

oh ok so cast special build

[civic ocean]

Chiron is the bow from Hades 1

[spare kite]

I love that we get the typo in reverse now.

Set down the normal cast > hit with Ω special > explodes like omega casts

[gloomy belfry]

You can't stack blitz right via hitting with attack and then special right?

[timber pawn]

and pray for the 50% faster special hammer

[tender flint]

so you want to focus on cast on this or on special

[civic ocean]

Blitz is one effect

[timber pawn]

common start for this is going for Solar ring, the apollo cast

[inland pumice]

I’m not sure, I think it does? But I was also using the hammer that makes your first omega attack shot more powerful and cost more, and that shot for sure was not splitting when it hit things

[tender flint]

ok

[tender flint]

that personally ruins the eos since it stops you from attacking and knocks you back I hate that hammer

[civic ocean]

Cast

The main reason to play Charon is, IMO, that you can use Local Climate, Solar Ring, Glorious Disaster and Torrential Downpour without having to channel the cast

[inland pumice]

Yeah it felt really bad. The increased time to omega attack alone, makes the build feel so slow

[tender flint]

got it ok i need to try it seems high risk high reward

[tender flint]

yeah i think its called kindled torch is horrible

[inland pumice]

But yeah I would say aspect of eos was working great before I got that split attack boon

[bleak fox]

Where I can find good builds for skull? 😄

[tender flint]

medea

[inland pumice]

I really like having Zeus blitz attack for eos, and then Demeter on the special

I would go into a room, spam special until everything frozen, and then unleash blitz attack and dash to hit them and trigger it

Felt really good for aspect of eos, highly recommend

Freeze special just seems good on torches in general, because while they’re frozen it just keeps hitting them over and over

And you don’t have to dodge as much obviously, since everything is frozen

[timber pawn]

Which aspect

[tender flint]

so personally really like the build but i love the split boon if you have a good sprint boon then it fricking rocks since you run around and the extra bubbles just do even more with how much they hit while running around

[inland pumice]

Yeah I guess that works if you don’t mind repositioning, then dashing

[tender flint]

yeah thats what i do

[inland pumice]

I found it annoying because I am the type of player to spam my dashes

[tender flint]

it also works better with the new arcana sprint card

[inland pumice]

So every time they would be misaligned, and miss the enemies

[tender flint]

makes sense

[inland pumice]

Any other good hammers for eos aspect?

[tender flint]

um ofc the increase speed to omega with mana reduc

[inland pumice]

Oh yeah

[tender flint]

the extra range I believe i dont remember of the top of me head

[spare kite]

+fire speed/-walk speed is nice

[tall notch]

I don't like the split boon because it messes with the way I nuke opponents by dashing backward once I have enough ghosts stacked

[tender flint]

its a gamble personally i like moving and it can hurt you

[bleak fox]

the basic one (trying to take more nightmare)

[tender flint]

try for me atleast either demeter heph or aphro

[tall notch]

You can just take Demeter cast and freeze things with that since you can cast mid-attack channel

[tender flint]

on attack

[tender flint]

this what I do

[tender flint]

for heph you want to get poms to lower the duration of his big boom

[timber pawn]

hera or apollo attack are nice, then moving towards demeter for freeze and winter coat, and maybe even heph 3rd

has anyone been cursed with asphodel when you're running 40% speed

the zone turns into an insane meat grinder lol

[tender flint]

yea

[spare kite]

Can drakons appear in aspho this time

[inland pumice]

I like Poseidon for skull attack, the skull makes a big splash where it hits, feels great for clearing rooms

[spare kite]

Or is only the skele gang

[tall notch]

In high heat I'll literally just walk out of the ring and wait until it kicks me out, burning most of my hp or a death defiance isn't worth the 50 bones

[bleak fox]

demeter on special you mean?

[timber pawn]

thats a good call

[timber pawn]

ya on special or cast or sprint

[glossy rivet]

tfw my hammer chamber is the asphodel chamber

[tender flint]

i dont struggle with it usually I dont even remember when it took awhile

[tender flint]

BRU

[white steppe]

lads i need a 24 fear setup for mel torches

[tall notch]

Trying to avoid high-speed projectiles that take most of your health while you're limited to that tiny circle isn't my idea of fun lol

[devout mortar]

For Eos torches what do u guys use on attack? Poseidon is only that seems viable ??

[white steppe]

20 skull for some reason was way harder than it needed to be

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/824538394506952724/1242148489618522192/image.png?ex=664cc86d&is=664b76ed&hm=a0f911ccb78a07877e8e1e0b4a7c80f8d1abb25502b6da3ce5a0661423f9eb9d&
infusions putting in work

[tall notch]

Hera/Demeter/Zeus/Hestia (if putting together AQ scorch)

[white steppe]

i also got my special in tartarus on an omega special build

[tall notch]

Sometimes Apollo if I get him early and I am trying to put together the heartrob duo

[tender flint]

oh brother on 32 heat this was killer I dont get why projectiles feel insane in this game and also enemies with dashes like i place cast down and they still are able to dash to me through cast especially those stupid a skulls on surface

[tall notch]

Cyclone cast is so good vs projectiles, part of the reason why I love demeter

[tender flint]

yeah it was the saving grace

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927694753116614746/1242148657285955624/image.png?ex=664cc895&is=664b7715&hm=b14557a807b1a9d31d6c646aa4dc16386b322c5e678e8a519a9ac614ba633efa& btw can you guess what my favourite weapon is? 🤭

[tender flint]

i love me torches also but i feel like if you dont get good boons early for them they kinda suck late like you need some rng for it but other wise i love them

[white steppe]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/824538394506952724/1242149617731113020/image.png?ex=664cc97a&is=664b77fa&hm=ce8566bfb557185c4f194c7928288b8ec0220d4d7c9978cc0080e9bd87fdb98b&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=687&height=386
what should I change to max out grasp?

[tall notch]

If you're good at dodging, antler Eos can do fine with literally any god

[civic ocean]

Doesn't make sense to me to run Huntress and Death together

[tender flint]

im saying in the sense of boons my boon luck has been depleted i was doing 32 heat with momus and got like 3 boons until echo who gabe me one

[white steppe]

why

[tall notch]

What weapon is this?

Arcana setups depend on weapon

[white steppe]

i dont change my arcana setup ever

[civic ocean]

One empowers omega attacks and the other doesn't work on omega attacks

[tall notch]

I literally change them every time I swap weapons, pls give arcana loadouts supergiant 😭

[bright narwhal]

how many hours do you have in this game arleady??

[tender flint]

ok so this proves what I was thinking this game actualy relies on different aracana depending on weapon unnlike hades 1 where you pretty much run the same thing and maybe change 1 or 2 things depending on cast build yes or no

[tall notch]

179

[white steppe]

I mean its not like you only ever use omega or normals right, axe throws out a swing or dash strike to clear low health trash, torches have to charge up before going off

[devout mortar]

Aq scorch? The 300 stack boon?

[tall notch]

I'll let @civic ocean explain

[tender flint]

BRU wtf i thought I had alot

[bright narwhal]

i thought my 70 hrs was a lot l;ol

[white steppe]

if I got rid of huntress or death you'd add what, excellence?

[civic ocean]

I don't think it's worth 3 grasp so that my axe dash attack does like 30 more damage if I'm building around the Omega moves

[tender flint]

same

[white steppe]

oh yeah also disabling huntress disables divinity

[bright narwhal]

hera or poseidon special for momus? i heard hera was good but i only hear of poseidon

[quiet axle]

I had a run last night with Argent Skull, +2 skulls hammer, and the hammer that blows up the skulls when you retrieve them with omega attack dmg. Then got the Zeus chain-lightning boon. It was nuts. Chuck 5 skulls at a group of mobs, run in and get them, and the screen just lights up... every enemy dead before they can attack me. Was super fun - a very unique setup, but if you can get those 2 hammer boons + chain lightning... try it!

[tender flint]

depends they both feel good but pos overall the best

[civic ocean]

I think 10 rerolls is the strongest thing Arcana can give you in this game other than lovers and eternity, so I'd probably cut artificer and huntress and other stuff to get Champions, Boatman and Seer online

[tender flint]

interesting

[tall notch]

You want to swap depending on weapon and your fear setup from my experience. For example boon rarity is solid if you're running no fear but it can be a liability with vow of arrogance

[white steppe]

wait i thought you advocated for artificer

[civic ocean]

Like Coldshade said it depends on the weapon

[tender flint]

@civic ocean helped me realize that yesterday was doing 32 heat with boon epic rarity it was a waste and also an atrocious fear set up LOL

[civic ocean]

I run Artificer on Torches because I can cut out all the early damage arcana and aph torches still clear 5 min erebus

[supple heart]

anyone help with a good strategy for the Trial of Haste? I just keep running out of time

[tender flint]

took me about 60-70 attempts to beat 32 heat top and bot it was pain how bad my arcana and fear was but then it was just bad rng till i got it

[civic ocean]

But Artificer without the rerolls is a lot weaker. I think Excellence and Divinity are to he avoided because of Vow of Arrongance

[tender flint]

which one artificer

[white steppe]

so what do you use for better boons, narcissus keepsake and yolo?

[tender flint]

sometimes nothing

[civic ocean]

I just use common boons, judiciously, usually

[tender flint]

rare crop helps but its when ever I get it

[ionic lily]

If you have the priming vow, you don't want too much rarity

[shadow marsh]

That's something I noticed in Hades 1` and it's carried over to this game. People just don't want common boons for some reason

[civic ocean]

I rarify what I want with the keepsakes

[spare kite]

See purple, take purple

[tender flint]

Shiny pretty

[white steppe]

@civic ocean u got a 24 fear setup for torches btw?

[spare kite]

If orange = good, right?

[civic ocean]

Like the fear?

[white steppe]

ye

[supple heart]

anyone?

[tender flint]

Ofc

[tender flint]

Haven't touched trials properly yet sry

[civic ocean]

Uhh I usually go Dest II Desp II Fury II Arro II Wander II Forsake and then it depends on preference

[sudden scaffold]

gotta go fast

[civic ocean]

On torches I think 5 min clears are very doable if you play fast and aggressive

[white steppe]

im not pushing past 7 lul

[tender flint]

Yeah especially eos

[civic ocean]

Then I'd max out commotion and adds whatever of dmg revs and shields and hp you feel best playing agains

[white steppe]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/824538394506952724/1242152825379885087/image.png?ex=664ccc77&is=664b7af7&hm=1dddad9717c92a691c567f7f46498cc4c21b9ceb51efa4d01e7757141fe52bfe&
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ive only played with fury 1 im ready to get filtered lul

[civic ocean]

I'd turn on forsaking over shields personally but that's me

You can also turn on forsakimg and do 20% speed

[shadow marsh]

forsaking is upside

[tender flint]

The shields in this game feel so much stronger in this game than hades 1

[white steppe]

is that dislike of shields or preference for forsaking

[civic ocean]

I think Forsaking is a player buff if you play rerolls

[mystic bison]

Forsaking is an improvement, free fear

[white steppe]

yea but i dont so

[mystic bison]

Depending on what you are running (Born Gain), vow of pain is also free fear

[civic ocean]

Yeah I think its really hard without rerolls but maybe keep forsaking off then

[white steppe]

tbf ive done like 5 or so runs with no rerolls and forsaken

[mystic bison]

Why no rerolls?

[white steppe]

for the thrill (i havent spent moon dust on them yet)

[mystic bison]

I would say out of the arcana those are the most necessary

[civic ocean]

I think aside from the broken aspects and gods most of the power in the game is in particular god combos rather than strong singular boons

[mystic bison]

In any loadout

[white steppe]

idk i felt that way in 1 but here most duos are a little scuffed

[mystic bison]

What weapon you running 24 fear on?

[civic ocean]

Maybe! I am usually wrong

Today is Skull day. Then it will be time to stream rotating 32

[supple heart]

guess its just repeatedly banging head against a wall then if this is the only response I get

[karmic gust]

has anyone managed a full fear run yet?

[unborn sedge]

Is the skull weapon driving anyone else mad?

[civic ocean]

I mean it's hard to say exactly but like - are you taking every free room available to you? Are you trading hp for damage? Are you pausing to make decisions?

[fossil matrix]

Idk if anybody is beating a 5 minute timer with no arcana and max enemy hp

[sudden scaffold]

it was only half a joke, when i cleared it i really just went as fast as possible. i cleared it with like 5 seconds left and 10 hp with no death defiances iirc

[karmic gust]

yea the 5 minute timer is insanity

[civic ocean]

I've theorycrafted a run that could do it but it would be like winning the lottery (similar to the Hades 1 run)

[supple heart]

I can get to cerberus with at most 90 seconds and just can't kill him fast enough

[civic ocean]

Do you always take the miniboss and echo

[supple heart]

im trying to use as many free rooms as possible and doing the bosses instead of regular rooms

[karmic gust]

is it momus poseidon? id be interested in hearing what optimizes that

[civic ocean]

No I think it would be something different

Basically you get incredible room luck and put together Scorch + Air Quality on Pan or Momus while also dodging most combats

[karmic gust]

whats air quality? (i havent gotten all the legendary and duos yet)

[civic ocean]

Zeus infusion, jacks up Scorch's damage

[wild cloak]

alright, time to play Hades 2 again (haven't touched the game since I fumbled the hell out of a 12 minute Chronos kill)

[grizzled igloo]

your attacks deal a minimum of 30 damage I believe

[civic ocean]

All damage you deal cannot be less than 30

[karmic gust]

wait air quality is the 30 dmg per instance thing? does that affect scorch tick damage??

[civic ocean]

Yes it does

[karmic gust]

thats wild

[grizzled igloo]

Indeed

[wild cloak]

I didn't know that affected that tf

[tall notch]

If you play it somewhat safe but still fast enough to reach Cerb in ~4 minutes, you'll be able to live way past the timer on Cerberus. The damage isn't that high

It's 5 hp/sec which is manageable if you have a bunch of max hp

Also take every max mana pickup you see

[karmic cradle]

hello friends, how to pet our good boi ceberus

[white steppe]

god how do people do trial of heartbreak that's not a 3 star

[karmic cradle]

everytime i try to pet him he resist me

[civic ocean]

U beat him up what do u expect

[timber pawn]

well, 32 all weapons is done, thanks Momus

[karmic cradle]

my boi, poor him become a ugly monster

[civic ocean]

Gotta get my skull w today

[cinder palm]

How many trials are there btw? I've done 5 and waiting for more

[timber pawn]

I went with hera attack and then dem/heph for a bunch of mit, and used the 300% first hit vow which becomes free once you have trusty shield

[tall notch]

Stack max hp and use passion dash as your main damage

[timber pawn]

keep unlocking aspects and keepsakes, there are a bunch more

[inland thunder]

what's been everyone's favorite weapons to use so far? I really like zorophet and ygnium

[white steppe]

i feel like charybdis messes me up more than anything, that and charon never stocking food in pre eris shop

[civic ocean]

Gonna try and get Air Fryer to work on Persephone

[inland thunder]

those two have been the ones I'm tinkering with trying to get duo boons the most

[tall notch]

Charybdis isn't guaranteed, just keep going until it doesn't show up

[timber pawn]

that sounds more fun than mine but probably will take a few extra attempts haha

[white steppe]

play trial of heartbreak to escape trash main seed, get trash heartbreak seed too sadge

[civic ocean]

yeah the goal is 32 offmeta I guess

Though I wonder if my Charon build is just meta

[timber pawn]

what was your charon build?

[civic ocean]

dem start into double duo big bomb cast

[timber pawn]

remind me what big bomb is? apollo+dem+zeus duos?

[civic ocean]

Local Climate Solar Ring Lightning Lance and thenthedouble duos yeah

[timber pawn]

oooh

[ionic moon]

how does local climate work with charon? or is it just for the damage

[timber pawn]

ya you never omega cast, so just for damage

the charon explode counts for all omega cast buffs

[civic ocean]

rly good dmg, hard to get vuffs on cast damage and they're worth waaaaaay more because Moon gives you 100 power

[white steppe]

east are rerolls that good that you can get something liket that consistently or are you just the luckiest man alive

[civic ocean]

IDK yet? Like I do a lot of runs while I learn the wep and I get the duos a lot

[tall notch]

The rerolls are pretty incredible, I'm always running them in high fear (and also boatman guaranteeing you'll be able to afford a midshop at +80% prices is nice)

[white steppe]

do you run only boon rerolls or door rerolls too

[tired fulcrum]

Its pretty easy to get the duos you want with 3 god pool and the amount of rerolls you can get