h2-builds-and-combat

[meager bramble]

Seems completely bonkers

[brittle prairie]

did you already spend your rarify?

[spare kite]

I equipped apollo's in tart, I wanted to swap to hera's

[zenith bolt]

gotta say i prefer hades' boon that reduces the summons by 50%. it's not that important for phase 1, but in phase 2 it really cuts down on the chaos when he's below 50% hp

[untold aurora]

do all the weapons do the same dps

[brittle prairie]

ohh

[bleak night]

definitely not, no.

[raven ivy]

Ohhh definitely not, especially in Early Access

[meager bramble]

Yes, all those hourglasses can bugger off

[spare kite]

-50% summons my beloved

[zenith bolt]

ghost ping

[brittle prairie]

I just wantedvto say the hourglasses can screw off

[plain fossil]

Sometimes keepsake management gets to me a bit, i wouldnt mind an arcana that gives u a stacking buff for each act u didnt change ur keepsake. Currently the only way to do this and not troll is white antler

[meager bramble]

The projectiles really mess with the safe areas in phase 2

[untold pumice]

i did not have problems with the extras guys in phase 2 so far, i normally go to boons that give big hits or area damage so they mostly get one shot

[bleak night]

they need to bring back stacking keepsakes like Butterfly and Lambent Plume

[untold aurora]

so what if i want high dps and really fast attacks what should i use

[zenith bolt]

it takes a painful amount of time to max all keepsakes and im still gonna god -> god -> hammer -> droplet/fleece/tooth most of the time https://i.imgur.com/z3JLm2E.png

[bleak night]

the only one that does rn is Eris', and it's kinda terrible

[civic ocean]

they will all change, because the game is being updated, yknow? and the game will get better if we pick what we want and seeing how it goes!

[brittle prairie]

their damage potential all varies drastically depending on aspect, boon, and daedalus hammer, but Aspect of Momus and Aspect of Pan are pretty fsr ahead of the rest

[zenith bolt]

eris is good if you're not a coward /s

[bleak night]

relatable

[inland pumice]

Okay, here's something I thought of... Can we get a marker on the ground for flying enemies? Basically, some enemies in this game float above the ground, and since it's an isometric angle, you can't always tell if you're aiming at them or to the side of them, since your arrows like from your omega attack trace across the ground. I think it would be helpful if they could place a marker directly under where the enemies are floating, so you know for sure that your attack is still hitting them. Examples of this are birds in the surface, or the eyeball enemy types. Maybe this could be an accessibility option if they don't want it to be on by default. Anyone else agree? Might make a feedback post about this

[untold pumice]

i want a zagreus keepsake after we eventually save the people chronos kidnapped

[bleak night]

wonder how that'd work

[zenith bolt]

we're definitely getting at least 4 more keepsakes, for athena, ares, dionysus, and hades

[spare kite]

eris

[plain fossil]

Yes!

[brittle prairie]

Zagreus Keepsake gives u a second dash

[zenith bolt]

scrolling down issue

[meager bramble]

I think keepsakes for people rescued from Chronos is a good bet too

Certainly Hypnos!

[tired orbit]

How do I dodge the phase 2 move where the outer circle closes in the center?

[untold pumice]

he gives a random keepsake from the first game, forcing you to buy hades 1 and max out every single keepsake there

[spare kite]

honestly I saw a feedback that they should up the % of eris's keepsake lol

[raven ivy]

Well if it's fast hits your after, the blades are your best friend, they can get your boon's effect to go off multiple times in quick succession. You could also go with the staff's special if range is more your style, closing in when you can for your melee's

[inland pumice]

dash through it

[zenith bolt]

sometimes i spice things up and put silver wheel on for tartarus if i have a truly awful run

[brittle prairie]

dodge outward, the telegraphing is bad, just dont touch the line of the circle

[frigid kettle]

I can't f**king kill Chronos. He is so much harder than Hades was.

[zenith bolt]

5% for the true baller experience

[bleak night]

[spare kite]

just make it grant it her "blessing" lmao

[untold aurora]

ight thanks

[zenith bolt]

good thing i hunted all the achievements

[zenith bolt]

new meta is coarse grit with eris keepsake

[untold pumice]

i still need 2 more but whenever i think of getting them i open hades 2

[glossy rivet]

YO

[tender flint]

any different fear I should run for 32 on surface im using momus

[plain fossil]

I do have to mention that almost everything about hex sucks but the keepsake is relatively pretty strong imo. I think if hex gets buffed it could end up being relatively too strong

[glossy rivet]

eris keepsake still beat by coarse grit right???

[raven ivy]

I don't think Hex needs a buff so much as it needs variety and depth

[glossy rivet]

Keek maybe could try that
Eris keepsake entire run with coarse grit

[spare kite]

what even is the eris buff at 3*

[zenith bolt]

1%

[brittle prairie]

Oh I need to try that

[glossy rivet]

damn nvm

[spare kite]

supergiant do a scaling keepsake good challenge

[bleak night]

so just run Evil Eye at that point lol

40% damage boost to Chronos with no increase in damage taken

[zenith bolt]

how many encounters even are there in a run, like 30?

outdone by medea and nemesis

[civic ocean]

I think if they:

-Removed Selene from the pool of stuff you could get before Oceanus
-Buffed the keepsake so that it made Selene auto-start and Path of Stars was more likely

They might not need to change the hexes at aall

[plain fossil]

Idk man it can have all the variety it wants but right now the power level doesnt justify me clicking it over a god boon imo

[zenith bolt]

honestly kinda real. really just selene start needs to die

selene start is a run killer on high fear i think

[bleak night]

@zenith bolt #h2-victory-boasting message someone got Barren

[zenith bolt]

im ucking tweaking dude

[plain fossil]

Its really mostly that 1 boon hex is absolute trashcan

[zenith bolt]

ive done like 150 runs atp and not seen the goddamn thing

[bleak night]

I wanna get it

[plain fossil]

2 boon hex can be ok depending on run and the boon u get and whether ur surface or underworld

[zenith bolt]

i have literally every other metric of completion finished EXCEPT the chaos fated lists

[bleak night]

one of em is borked too, right ?

[plain fossil]

But u have to put up with 1 boon hex to get there and its almost the same as 0 unless u get heal imo

[zenith bolt]

the virtues one is borked bc prowess and finesse actually just arent real

but im also missing defiance for that anyway

[glossy rivet]

finessed by chaos

[zenith bolt]

i got chant earlier today, which is cool

aether is kinda dumb to get (only duos and creation)

[tender flint]

cant wait till they nerf the fire dmg cause it is obsene

[glossy rivet]

are ther spiteful strength builds lol

[zenith bolt]

im actually gonna try no fear and see if that's the requirement

bc i've been running 3 fear minimum for ages now

[meager bramble]

Wolf Howl is delightful

[bleak night]

lmk if that's what it takes

[untold pumice]

i really like the dark side one, if you manage to stack it up you can get untouchable for 9 seconds which is really really funny

[meager bramble]

Especially with decent magick regen and expensive omega attacks

[zenith bolt]

my only other idea was yarn of ariadne + spark of ixion but that didnt work out

[tender flint]

what does barren soul do?

[glossy rivet]

the 1000 damage hex can be great if you get the impervious upgrade

[brittle prairie]

like 40

[glossy rivet]

can yarn affect duo/legendary chances? assuming requirements already fulfilled ofc

[tired fulcrum]

No arcana then get health prob

[zenith bolt]

soul is i think +magick, barren is the real desirable thing for fated list
it's uhh "For the next 11 encounters, the effects of your Arcana Cards are nullified." or something

you need to get every chaos curse for one of the fated list things

[bleak night]

it's just 7 I think

[glossy rivet]

get offered barren
in tartarus

[warped harness]

ok i didnt realise the zeus apollo duo boon worked on charon's cast but it does

[zenith bolt]

might vary idk

[tender flint]

i wish i can have that for surface this place is killing me on 32

[warped harness]

charon aspect axe special*

[glossy rivet]

does glorious disaster make lightning while the cast is up?

[mental pine]

what does the hera boon Nasty Comeback do it says it "After you take damage, inflict your foe with Hitch and deal damage in greater measure (500%)"

[tired fulcrum]

Dem apollo duo also works on it

[glossy rivet]

how is it different from zeus omega cast?

[zenith bolt]

enemy takes 500% of the damage they deal to you, then gets the Hitch curse

[tired fulcrum]

It adds lightning damage to the apollo aftereffect

[glossy rivet]

SPICY

[warped harness]

its supposed to cost a ton but with the charon axe that isn't as big an issue

[mental pine]

so if they deal 50 dmg they will get hit for 500% of 50 dmg?

[zenith bolt]

yeah

[glossy rivet]

yeah the cleave is the magic sink

[mental pine]

alr i mustve just not seen it do the dmg, ill look for it next time thanks

[meager bramble]

You probably didn't see it because 500% is really bugger all

[warped harness]

it only consumes the 25 magick of the omega special when using the apollo/zeus & apollo/demeter duo boon cast boons though

[meager bramble]

When it comes to the amount of health enemies have vs the amount Mel has

[zenith bolt]

average revenge effect in video games tbh

[glossy rivet]

whats the apollo/dem duo again

[civic ocean]

big boom cast

[zenith bolt]

each time you use your omega cast, it does 20 more damage but costs 5 more magick iirc

[civic ocean]

20%

[zenith bolt]

oh %

[warped harness]

20% for 5

[glossy rivet]

so it basically costs nothing with chaorn then

[zenith bolt]

memory failed me

[warped harness]

do damage bonuses for casts impact the cast boon's damage as well? like apollo

[civic ocean]

I thiiiiink so

[glossy rivet]

is the moon worth taking on charon axe (arcana)

[civic ocean]

ya

[tired fulcrum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1164101586138710037/1241550404211310676/Hades_II_2024-05-18_17-33-22_-_Trim.mp4?ex=664beceb&is=664a9b6b&hm=6ea79af4faabef4045be42da093f2c9429b193294d03ae869eeb8e473d5df1fa& beeg damage

[glossy rivet]

does it boost apollo cast damage?

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah

The explosion only

[civic ocean]

I don't think The Moon boosts Solar Ring no

[zenith bolt]

charon aspect real?

ive just been using thanatos bc simple axe spin but if charon is good i do want to try it a bit

[glossy rivet]

WHAT Boons
just apollo/dem duo needed?

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah apollo/dem and zeus/apollo duos

[bleak night]

nice

[warped harness]

charon aspect is so real, its tons of fun with zeus and apollo

[mental pine]

anyone know if this is true for the chronos move that deals 999 dmg

[zenith bolt]

it probably only reflects the HP you lose (which is usually the same as the damage you take, but differs for cases of overkill, like this)

[warped harness]

that still isnt much, i think phase 1 of chronos is like 20k?

[glossy rivet]

society if reflect calculates before coarse grit

[zenith bolt]

phase 1 is 20k yeah

idk phase 2, i feel like it's less

[warped harness]

i only know bc of the hades boon

[warped harness]

yeah i think so too since it goes down faster? but the adds are more annoying for p2 which makes up for the smaller health bar

[zenith bolt]

ill have to dig thru my recordings and add the damage numbers

[untold pumice]

is there a good card start for the judgment arcana or should i just go with 3 cards i like and pray i get good ones for the rest?

[zenith bolt]

ok had a run where i cleanly shredded phase 2 second half and it was 8000 so total phase 2 is 16000

[tired fulcrum]

If the point is to scale your run you want to start with rerolls and gold ig

[zenith bolt]

so chronos' full hp is 36000 (20000 in phase 1 and 16000 in phase 2)

[untold pumice]

360 like a circle (clock) wow wow

[glossy rivet]

is apollo legendary good for charon cast?

[zenith bolt]

🔥

[tired fulcrum]

The omega special hits pretty hard

[glossy rivet]

does it affect the cleavecast though?

[zenith bolt]

hmm i wonder what scylla/sirens and hecate's hp are. i know cerb is 20k

[glossy rivet]

make the omega pop twice when cleaved?

[tired fulcrum]

Not the cast

[zenith bolt]

i would ballpark about 5k for hecate and 10k for sirens assuming it like doubles each boss

[tired fulcrum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1218621088049659930/1241932533067677706/Hades_II_2024-05-19_18-49-39.mp4?ex=664bff4d&is=664aadcd&hm=ca2b1a46291548b038fd139a37a04a0c85bd479abc9d894d4230b5e0e6dc0add& i think theres a funny bug where apollo legendary lets you have extra infinite magick with born gain but idk

[glossy rivet]

jamn

[tired fulcrum]

Wait why does eris have almost 20k hp

[zenith bolt]

it makes sense if you consider eris to be more on par with cerb than sirens

surface 3 areas and all that

[lunar lance]

Can someone explain the Persephone skull weapon? I've tried it out in the training grounds against Skelly, but I can't figure out how to accumulate Glory

[zenith bolt]

if hecate = boss difficulty of 1 and sirens = 2, etc. then i'd put polyphemus at 1.5 and eris at 3

[elder falcon]

Just finished an underworld run with Aspect of Thanatos with Aphrodite attack boon and 3 attack boons from chaos. Got super lucky, that build it crazy good

[zenith bolt]

doing damage generates glory, the meter just fills up really slowly

[glossy rivet]

if you had to choose would you get only zeus-apollo or dem-apollo duo for charon cast?

[lunar lance]

Huh. I see. How viable is it to build it up in a standard encounter? Is it mostly a boss weapon?

[glossy rivet]

i got nothing but two apollo boons and psyche in erebus (again)

[tired fulcrum]

Zeus prob

[zenith bolt]

i think the intention is you save your omega special as a "meter dump" so-to-speak for bosses and you use the extra omega damage for mobbing

[lunar lance]

Oh, does the accumulation carry over between rooms?

[zenith bolt]

yeah

[lunar lance]

Interesting!

[tired fulcrum]

Like just zeus duo basically triples the damage

[lunar lance]

Kinda wish I could quickly build it against Skelly just to see how the omega special controls, tho

[civic ocean]

Yeah you spam it for the first half or so of the biome and then at some point you switch playstyles and save it for the boss

[zenith bolt]

erebus
god keepsake
selene start
5 minor finds
die

[lunar lance]

Quick build thought: would you say that the Thanatos axe works well with the Eris keepsake? Axe doesn't want you to get hit, Keepsake makes you really not want to get hit. Both boost your damage output

[zenith bolt]

not the worst idea if you're cracked at the game i guess

winter coat and weed killer from demeter would help this idea

[lunar lance]

Oh, nice idea.

[tired fulcrum]

It isnt really worth it over god keepsakes and stuff like black fleece/lions claw

[zenith bolt]

also yeah that

[lunar lance]

You know, I don't think I have those keepsakes yet. Maybe the claw (that's from Heracles, right?)

[civic ocean]

what does it max out at depending on which biome you equip it

[timber pawn]

Instead of Eris you can also just antler, which is immediately a large benefit for 'not getting hit'

[dusty sapphire]

I know Arcana Card loadouts are quite build dependent, but do y'all think The Moon or the Lovers is better for the last 3 grasp on a build? (I know the Lovers is 2 grasp but I have no 1 grasp left so I'd be effectively wasting 1 grasp - but it's an evergreen acorn on every single boss which seems nuts)

[civic ocean]

You could force start heph

[timber pawn]

Lovers almost always

Invulning 3 hits per boss is huge value

[zenith bolt]

i would argue the lovers is nearly mandatory unless you're very very good at the game

not taking 3 hits from chronos and cerb is like 200 hp saved on its own

[lunar lance]

Wait, hang on. Antler... what's the baseline HP value, again?

[dusty sapphire]

true, I guess I just hate the feeling of wasting 1 grasp. but yeah

[zenith bolt]

30 or lower to activate, base hp is 30

[glossy rivet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1234406186208596028/1241954640602337312/image.png?ex=664c13e4&is=664ac264&hm=9e1a48fdcbf27d81d024ac2dd21b4a72f30cbeb70057fbd3a4d44f5c9fbe9b84& whats better on charon axe

[tired fulcrum]

Mel base hp is 30

[lunar lance]

No I mean, what's the starting HP value if you have no arcana or hearts

[zenith bolt]

30 without titan or frinos

[lunar lance]

Ah OK. Interesting...

[runic birch]

I'd take flourish, personally
magic's pretty easy to come by

[warped harness]

max vow of fury polyphemus feels awful

[lunar lance]

So if you're really cracked at the game, you could set yourself up with no HP boosts and the white antler.

[tired fulcrum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1164101586138710037/1241954679756292116/Hades_II_2024-05-19_20-23-24.mp4?ex=664c13ee&is=664ac26e&hm=73c2f9fcf6290187eb07ae8918a2fb2de6c3e4994e08068dd37391960e59d4a4& welp looks like It replicable

[zenith bolt]

yeah, and crits stack multiplicatively with basically everything so they're better than a normal +%

[dusty sapphire]

you ideally don't want to do that by my estimation because in such a build you would also really like Strength which requires <30% health (different from <30 health flat)

[lunar lance]

Lion Fang feels like a weird item to pick. Only works for 6 encounters at its lowest level, and probably is gonna be nearly out by the time you meet a boss.

[coral cove]

finally beat chronos with all 5 of the base weapons, no aspects

[lunar lance]

Oh I see.

[coral cove]

time to grind fear

[zenith bolt]

it's +50% at max level and while it's not amazing it's also not terrible if you need a little damage injection at some point in your run

[tired fulcrum]

At rank 3 it starts at 50% i think. So thats 25% by the time you reach chronos if you equip in tart and dont take extensions

[warped harness]

has anyone beaten the game on max fear?

[lunar lance]

...the black fleece is from Medea, right?

[zenith bolt]

the highest that's been won is 50 i think

(everything except no arcana)

[warped harness]

yeah this game is really tough

[lunar lance]

Gotcha. I haven't seen her yet in my file. But I know she's in the game, and is the only character that comes to mind for that item

[coral cove]

that's the one keepsake i'm missing as well

only spoke to her once, and can't gift on first encounter

[timber pawn]

You take frog and titan card which can put you at 100 base, and then get hit to go down to 30, which activates strength and antler. And then you never get hit again

[zenith bolt]

sometimes she shows up in ephyra as one of the doors. emphasis on sometimes

[zenith bolt]

frog and titan is 110 base with both maxed out

[lunar lance]

Oh, so Ephyra can have a conversation door, eh? Interesting.

[timber pawn]

Alright slightly un-upgraded frog, but the concept is still valid

[zenith bolt]

yeah, middle right if she appears

[lunar lance]

Thanks

[zenith bolt]

could add heph for armor

[warped harness]

also i havent run into the cat familiar since my first time seeing it is there something ive done wrong?

[zenith bolt]

if it's stopped appearing in erebus then it's probably moved to the entrance to rift of thessaly

[shy summit]

yeah - just pet the cat every time you see it and don't worry too much about it

[warped harness]

oh i didnt realise it was on the surface now, i never looked hard enough in the rift entrance thank you

[shy summit]

because frinos clears >:)

[zenith bolt]

bring some animal crackers and become friends

i used toula a lot when i was farming bones for nightmare

[timber pawn]

That is generally how successful runs play out, and potentially winter coat. So 2 buffer per room

[warped harness]

i just want the cat because a friend of mine really likes cats and i want to see her reaction/convince her to buy the game

[glossy rivet]

get born gain
next boon from zeus
offers kings ransom
AAAAAAAA

[zenith bolt]

king's robbery at gunpoint

[warped harness]

magick? no magick :)

[glossy rivet]

king's mugging

[warped harness]

king's tyrannical taxation

[timber pawn]

Hey my one Kings ransom run is my current fastest time lol

[warped harness]

kings ransom is which one?

[dusty sapphire]

give up every single hera boon for poms on zeus boons

[spare kite]

consume all your hera boons to lvl up zeus boons

[zenith bolt]

+2 level to every zeus boon per hera boon sacrificed

[civic ocean]

I wonder how much you can get Zeus' revenge damage up to

[warped harness]

oh wait is it based on who you get it from?

[zenith bolt]

mfw divine vengeance procs 23 times

[glossy rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-norman-osborn-surprised-you-cant-do-this-to-me-gif-24182893

[civic ocean]

maybe thats how we get the luigi kill

[zenith bolt]

yeah, if it's zeus then it'll sacrifice hera boons and vice versa

[timber pawn]

Ye

[glossy rivet]

me when i get kings ransom after getting born gain

[zenith bolt]

i think queen's ransom is actually +3 per zeus boon (compared to zeus which is +2 per hera boon)

[glossy rivet]

why is zeus stingy

meh whatever greek god moment

what's the must have hermes boons now? nitro sprint?

[warped harness]

i dont remember i only did one run with the ransom boons

[vapid saddle]

What are the best builds for the blades? And which aspect is better?

[timber pawn]

I'm always fishing for attacks or specials speed

[timber pawn]

Pan generally considered best atm, with poseidon special

[vapid saddle]

So treat it as like aspect of Chiron?

[timber pawn]

Same idea ya

[vapid saddle]

True. That was my fav aspect in 1 anyway lol

How important is upgrading it?

[lunar lance]

Is Seismic Hammer not supposed to trigger Furnace Blast, since the former is a duo boon instead of a Hephaestus-only boon?

[timber pawn]

The aspect or the boon?

[zenith bolt]

im a greater evasion addict

[vapid saddle]

Aspect

[timber pawn]

Extra knives per level of aspect, max is... 6 I think. So idk the math but it's a significant improvement

[glossy rivet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1234406186208596028/1241958738911559680/image.png?ex=664c17b5&is=664ac635&hm=00e1822385fd181e339c52d4f3553c3db23fb342b1e50658f74659ba7ebe8c9a& aaaahhh

[plain fossil]

Greater evasion + dodge arcana hype train

[glossy rivet]

today is hera-zeus beefing day

gonna have to pick sun worshipper bc i need to get dem sprint for her apollo duo

[warped harness]

i think it's 5? the cost goes up to 30 and it's 3 per dagger so im p sure its 5

[vapid saddle]

Ok dope thanks. And last one, what’s easiest vow?

[warped harness]

timer if you know how to play quickly

[plain fossil]

Uh if u just want like 1 fear im pretty sure the easiest vow is 10% hp

[timber pawn]

On pan aspect damage control doesn't bother you much at all, but otherwise ya timer prob

[glossy rivet]

omg still none of their duos or apollo legendary by the time im in floor 3

[vapid saddle]

Oh yeah 9 mins is easy lmao

Thx guys xoxo

[civic ocean]

9 minutes is detrimental on 32 fear I feel, makes the enemies too stronk

[civic ocean]

forsaking is easier I think but idk

[jovial cove]

what is the best axe aspect
Axepect

[lunar lance]

Honestly, if you're good with the axe, hard to go wrong with any of them at the moment, I think.

[vapid saddle]

Oh I lie, another question lol. I’m taking Poseidon on attack or special with blades?

[lunar lance]

Thanatos has a lot of potential with spin to win strategies (probably with Demeter's omega attack buff), Melinoe helps shore up its weaknesses by letting you act faster, and Charon focuses a bit more on making the special stronger, by comboing with the cast to giveyou time to use it

So I guess, Thanatos if you love the spin attack, Charon for a bit of a ranged build, and Melinoe aspect for axe wielding in general?

[warped harness]

wait yall does the aphro/heph duo work with the one vow that makes the first hit you take deal like 4x damage

[maiden perch]

what is a decent all around arcane card setup for 29 grasp

i struggle with what to put on there

[tender flint]

gg thank yalls who helped me got 32 heat on surface and underworld thank you

[timber pawn]

Special

[civic ocean]

probably, you should test that out

[timber pawn]

Well done gamer, did you figure out momus?

[warped harness]

i'll have to enable the vow but i'll test it out

[civic ocean]

we cracked it - the fear was all wrong

bro had 400% damage on first hit turned on with Antler Momus 💀

[timber pawn]

Oh ya that might cause some problems haha

[tender flint]

yes I still dont entirely like it I dont like how if you spam to much you get like locked in place and cant dash but its not bad will use it for easier runs but I currently never want to touch staff again

[timber pawn]

You know, fair enough

[tender flint]

my finger hurts

[timber pawn]

Ya the mashing

[civic ocean]

Alright it is once again time to try and win with Tranquil Gain at 32 on Charon

[tender flint]

whats tranquil gain ?

[warped harness]

tranquil gain is the demeter gain boon

[timber pawn]

Is this your quest to 32 every weapon without born gain lol

[tender flint]

oh i dont really ever go for it since you have to stand still and I havent tried out charon yet so maybe its good

[civic ocean]

32 every weapon, no:

-Momus
-Poseidon
-Born Gain

Have Axe and Skull to go still

[timber pawn]

I did charon but it was born gain. Honestly a good hestia or aphro regen would prooobably work out okay

[civic ocean]

Yeah but I wanna write a guide on Glorious Disaster + Torrential Downpour so I want the 32 clear

And also I just want to get better at playing axe

[bleak night]

@zenith bolt I'm so sorry https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1241961946006421584/image.png?ex=664c1ab2&is=664ac932&hm=9dbdc0bbc649f1b44e7645d91f54e96757cebb8c122cfd49b01d1a91bc9710df&

[timber pawn]

But with Apollo start, you'd probably rather move into demeter for safety so tranquil makes sense

[zenith bolt]

how.

[bleak night]

It just appeared

I had a Chaos boon with the curse timer done

[zenith bolt]

im punching air, sobbing, in a general state of disarray rn

[bleak night]

no embryo equipped or anything

[cunning dove]

that has to be the rarest thing to get in the game right now lmao

[timber pawn]

My favorite part is how brutal the curse is, and how bad the rewards always are comparatively

Wonder if it's bugged

[zenith bolt]

where's my barren dude https://i.imgur.com/Px4AcwQ.png

[spare kite]

I still stand that you need a previous chaos boon for it to have a chance to appear

[zenith bolt]

https://i.imgur.com/8YpkV8d.png

clearly i just need to start praying to chaos irl

[tender flint]

bru

[civic ocean]

does it have a certain requirement, I'm almost at 160 hours and haven't seen it either

[zenith bolt]

no clue

https://i.imgur.com/qAaaWSo.png

[sour cape]

Is it possible to purposely not unlock cards for Crystal Figurine?

So better chance to roll a good one 👀

[tender flint]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238644696583241861/1241963940834050149/20240519205849_1.jpg?ex=664c1c8e&is=664acb0e&hm=3f919033f0e377a6ad22fd4d723ca7b6ed2611fa48a2dd5637213ac41c25d557&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238644696583241861/1241963941114937395/20240519205854_1.jpg?ex=664c1c8e&is=664acb0e&hm=a324c81d224125e85cb28c15828592a5af30cb53dabc6be9307aeb09d9b05afe&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238644696583241861/1241963941383639130/20240519205839_1.jpg?ex=664c1c8e&is=664acb0e&hm=1e09f1d2febde077a5111f14e5d7f4f73383105d5f62f260210cfa4cce95f058&
all my runs for 32 heat today

[merry pelican]

Good morning all. I have a question about keepsakes. Does the increased chance to get a certain boon still happens even after I rarify one? Bcs it says that the keepsake is used for the night, not sure if the whole effect is lost

[spare kite]

judgement works the same iirc so yeah

[tame fern]

I think that the increased change to get a certain boon mostly means "your next boon will be this god", not a global increase

[sour cape]

Dang I messed up unlocking some useless cards then 😭😭

[tender flint]

143 was underworld win 163 was surface

[sour cape]

getting free mana regen sounds legit 🙏

[glossy rivet]

what the hell man
not offered apollo-zeus or apollo-dem duo the entire run

[warped harness]

i tried medea against polyphemus hell nah 😭 this was horrible

[true burrow]

i’m testing out an aspect of pan build, would concentrated flurry or spiral knives be better

[warped harness]

concentrated imo

[spare kite]

what special you have

[true burrow]

more shots or more damage

[true burrow]

poseidon

[warped harness]

spiral can take too long to fill up, you can use your knives at safer distances, and your knives wont get thrown into walls or knocked off course as often

[spare kite]

I'd do spiral then

base dmg good but pos is flat so

[true burrow]

i’ve also got the hammer that makes omega special charge faster and take less mana

boundless flurry

[glossy rivet]

still got chronos but like cmon man GIMME THE DUO

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1241965996974280784/image.png?ex=664c1e78&is=664accf8&hm=365a99e2bc13737344f886549ec05f881f6e9556bf4afe27e736e7ea30433d04& the clocks are so baaaaaad

[warped harness]

then spiral might be ok there, its just been my experience that pan spiral can be difficult to use esp. in smaller rooms

i like the concentrated cause you don't lose much damage and still have a lot of power

[true burrow]

oh my gods, i’ve never hit that hard in this game

[timber pawn]

Ya its definitely up there in terms of very strong builds right now

[ocean ibex]

im so good at making buildshttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/742056287264833546/1241969733612605521/Hades_II_26.png?ex=664c21f3&is=664ad073&hm=d18ee2ae90d30c5dc3cc18cee1e9b43e29d6f2caf82e441529dcab0209c49a70&

[glossy rivet]

bruh aint no god dropping me their duo whenever i wield charon

[ocean ibex]

most of my dps before having enough mana to O cast was spamming close-range specials

@mystic bison lmk if this is viable 🙏 gonna do this on 55 fear next!

[lunar lance]

Huh. You know, Demeter and Hestia don't exactly have the best buffs for attacks and specials.

But they can make one hell of a strong Cast.

Glowing Coal + Arctic Ring + Gale Force gets really silly

[glossy rivet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1234406186208596028/1241970674659102731/image.png?ex=664c22d3&is=664ad153&hm=cfa65b2485ff5b57c8603a99b5b8fe73a2a498cfe5d28ac34fc1ae56b853e4b0& cursed rng wew

i got one hammer, one zeus boon, and endless psyche/ashes almost until hecate
even nem is offering me this

[warped harness]

OK I GOT THE HEPH APHRO DUO IM GONNA SEE IF IT WORKS WITH THE 4X FIRST HIT DAMAGE

[glossy rivet]

yall stealing my rng or smth?

[tender flint]

bro my rng got so screwed today its crazy

[warped harness]

IT DOES NOT WORK

[glossy rivet]

bro? i got psyche to start off oceanus? fr?

[warped harness]

the duo effect will activate first, but it won't inherit the damage bonus the enemy has from taking damage the first time. it probably still works with the increased dmg vow but it wont work with the vow that increases first hit taken

[timber pawn]

That's good to know thank you for your service

[zenith bolt]

what a hater https://i.imgur.com/BeEWgW9.png

[plain fossil]

Daily frinos should turn into a sheep request

[timber pawn]

She yells at the cat too

[glossy rivet]

does anyone else get the audio bug with pan daggers

[glossy rivet]

zeus start
10 rerolls
cant get air quality even up to floor 3

bro i dont appreciate getting ash and psyche in oceanus

[plain fossil]

Small rewards are small rewards u cant avoid them completely even with arcana

[winged gazelle]

Whats the best arcana build?

[plain fossil]

I dont think theres a single generally accepted build, and it's a bit weapon dependent anyway. A lot of people like the 10 reroll strat for consistency, others skimp on the rerolls and go with other power sources

[forest veldt]

if ur talking about the cast sound then ya, think happens w/ anything that does anything right after casting

[plain fossil]

I think the only arcana that ive never seen anybody want to click is the one that powers up ur hex

And i think most people would argue that death defiance is mandatory and lovers is nearly mandatory

Thats certainly my opinion and i think its pretty uncontroversial

[glossy rivet]

charon didnt sell a boon in the final room
tartarus didnt even give me chances to detour for gods wtf
cucked out of air quality from zeus keepsake erebus

[true burrow]

slight update, the build brought me to my first victory in the underworld

[timber pawn]

Congrats!

[true burrow]

thanks man, can’t believe how op the daggers are

[glossy rivet]

ive been trying to replicate some duo or infusion or legendary builds and so far ive only gotten their watered duo/infusion/legendary-less versions
thanks rng

do i have to use boon forsaking to narrow down the drops or smth

[lunar lance]

Man, I tried for a spin to win build on thanatos axe, and instead ended up with possibly the most cracked Cast build I've used yet.

Kinda makes me want to see what a run with Demeter, Hestia, and Zeus would be like.

Just huck a cast circle at enemies that rips them apart

[sterile portal]

What would you guys say is the best weapon/aspect in the game rn

I’m thinking aspect of pan

[lunar lance]

Pan blade is really funny

Personally, I'm becoming a fan of the skull. I actually quite like the basic aspect of Melinoe on it, particularly with the hammer that ups the skull count to 5

[round depot]

is bridal glow rare a take when im in fields of mourning

this is also the first room in the fields of mourning

[sterile portal]

Idk what’s up with aspect of Persephone on skull but either I don’t understand it or it just doesn’t work properly

Glory buildup was so slow that I only had an extended omega special like, three times in the whole run I used it

[lunar lance]

I've been told the glory buildup is slow, yeah

Seems particularly slow for the effect, though

[sterile portal]

Glacially lol. Like it’s really bad, from my one run with it

Btw, the thing from 1 where you could pick between two boons and the other god would get mad, is that still a thing? Saw someone mention what sounded like it in the feedback channel but I haven’t seen it in my ~45 hours

[plain fossil]

Yes

[lunar lance]

Yep.

It's funny the first time it happens. Melinoe is like "oh, I get two boons?"

||and then you pick one, the other gets mad, and Melinoe is all "Wait, WHAT?"||

[forest veldt]

if u haven't tried yet, momus on the staff w/ poseidon special is rly good. lots of spam toh

[sterile portal]

Weird. I hope it’s not bugged in some way that I haven’t gotten it yet lol

[lunar lance]

It just takes some time

[sterile portal]

For sure. Poseidon special on staff was one of my first wins. Melts everything

[lunar lance]

Took a while before I saw it, and it's still somewhat rare for me to see it

[sterile portal]

Are there going to be more gods in the game?

Or have they not said

[plain fossil]

They havent said specifically about gods and boons

[sterile portal]

Ah. I’m not really expecting more honestly I like the ones we have. Having Athena or Dionysus etc come back would be cool but not necessary

Especially since hestia seems like they tried to balance hangover more lol

[tawny stag]

How exactly does scorch work? Like why is scorch damage different but it always says 40 per second

[zenith bolt]

scorch is always 40 dps, reducing the amount of scorch on the enemy by 40/s
"scorch damage" is just the amount of scorch built up on an enemy per hit

[lunar lance]

OK, so I'm pretty sure that what it does is: attacks that build up Scorch build up an amount of Scorch per hit. Then, every second, 40 of the accumulated Scorch is consumed to do 40 damage to the target.

[slate pecan]

is the furies arcana card good with charon's aspect or not?

[lunar lance]

So, hitting a bunch of times for scorch build up won't increase your DPS beyond 40, but you'll do 40 damage per second over a longer period of time.

[tawny stag]

Sometimes it seems like scorch should be killing them but I have to attack to finish them

[plain fossil]

U can see the amount of damage scorch is gonna do if u let it run down, its on the life bars in yellow

But at 40 dps that might take a hot minute and u may want to speed that up a little by whacking mobs

[slate pecan]

i wonder if "+30% damage to foes in my casts" still apply to the special that detonated the cast or is it detonated before special's damage on charon

[zenith bolt]

ok got medea up to max relationship for now so that means im done gifting people

now i am truly done with every possible metric of completion... except for the fated list... because chaos refuses to give me barren... grrrrrr.....

[slate pecan]

gzgz! i still need to max out 5 arcana cards and get some duo and legendary boons but otherwise i'm done too

[zenith bolt]

maxed all your keepsakes already?

[slate pecan]

yes, long ago 😂 i was avoiding using lvl 3 ones until i had them all maxed

i could probably get the arcanas already if i chose to spend bones... which reminds me, i still need some nightmares

[zenith bolt]

since i needed bones for nightmare for aspects, i ended up making a goal of catching all the fish too https://i.imgur.com/95BhS89.png

[slate pecan]

never sold a fish in h2 https://imgur.com/a/vsIoLyZ

[tame fern]

Regarding gathering, does anything happen if you take a tool and the corresponding pet at the same time (rod and Toula)?

[zenith bolt]

no reason not to

[tame fern]

Do you get even more chances to find fish, or just normal?

[plain fossil]

Its the same pretty sure u just get to skip the minigame

[queen charm]

saving my fish in case we need them for incants

[acoustic sleet]

I did not see it until in act 4, and after it spawned there once, it's started spawning reliably - i usually see it 2-3 times in a run

[meager bramble]

Beat Chronos, thanks y'all for your advice earlier! Turns out sticking close does in fact help a ton 😄

[zenith bolt]

happy to help

[meager bramble]

As does hook knives, pretty immensely - absolutely melted phase 1, didn't even drop any DDs on it

[acoustic sleet]

Hook knives is probably my single favourite hammer for blades

[zenith bolt]

i had a run recently that was sureshot flurry + hook knives + boundless flurry

[civic ocean]

#h2-victory-boasting message just Skull left to do. Tranquil gain gets a win on Axe at 32 Fear

Pay no attention to the Tartarus keepsake

[lunar lance]

Does Apollo make sense as a first boon if you're going with the skull? Nova effect on attack or special both seem good with the skull

I suppose Aphrodite is also good, if you specifically get her on the special

[zenith bolt]

wow! silver wheel tranquil gain is so amazing

[civic ocean]

TBF it did a loooooot of work in Fields

Like I probably don't make it out of Fields without it

But yeah it was NOT gonna cut it in Tartarus.

[slate pecan]

nice win! what arcana did you use?

[civic ocean]

Sorceress, Death, Messenger, Furies, Lovers, Runner, Eternity, Centaur, Moon, Fates, Boatman, Seer, Champions

[slate pecan]

i overlooked Moon in mine, which does seem powerful with Charon 😂 but then again i only won thanks to lucky defiances

[zenith bolt]

no titan?

[civic ocean]

oh and Titan

oh. I no-hit 40% speed Chronos for the first time!

It's really fun getting better and better and better at the weappon over time

[plain fossil]

Ngl silver wheel is pretty good for consistency on some weapons im kind of a fan

[slate pecan]

it's very satisfying to use that tap special to clutch-block some nasty projectiles

[zenith bolt]

silver wheel is my tartarus cope for when i have godawful magick regen

i think silver wheel in mourning fields even will last until end of tartarus

[plain fossil]

I take it in fields sometimes its honestly solid

[zenith bolt]

unless you're playing like eos or something that really really chews your magick

[civic ocean]

I think I have something like 8 or 9 32 Heat Underworld clears now with no Born Gain or Poseidon

I think 6 of them my final keepsake has been Hecate/Hermes?

I think on Charon if you don't get Sudden Cleaver you're meant to take the Hermes Keepsake for Tartarus

[zenith bolt]

on eos as long as you're not taking weed killer or something, you can get by with just poseidon spirit bubbles (common poseidon W)
i think maybe fixed gain also works if you're willing to accept eating hits for it

[slate pecan]

i'm a fan of white antler finishing keepsake, even when your strat is not to sit at 30 hp. it just activates sometimes and gives you a surge of "don't mess up now" feeling that can pay off and feel great

[zenith bolt]

i actually kinda want to try poseidon attack on eos

it doesnt sound like the worst idea ever?

benefit of course being less reliance overall on omega attacks

though spirit bubbles are still serviceable in that regard

[viscid rain]

is aspect of pan on the blades good?

Idk what to mix with blades special

[zenith bolt]

it's the best aspect for blades

[viscid rain]

what's the strat for it? Place Cast circle and spam special?

[zenith bolt]

place cast, use omega special. poseidon special goes well with it

[viscid rain]

is hera for the longer circle duration good for it?

[zenith bolt]

no

[slate pecan]

i think it's ok, normally you get to use fully charged special once per circle which can be problematic

then again, being able to place it where you need it when you need it is a good thing too

[bleak night]

When do I get the Luigi kill run

[viscid rain]

thanks for the tips on how to use it

[zenith bolt]

you get it when i get barren

[hollow stag]

After watching a speed run, Hera is more busted than Poseidon

[timber fractal]

aspect of pan recomendations?

[ionic lily]

Get poseidon special, hera born gain and shotgun spam things to death

[timber fractal]

whats born gain?

[brittle prairie]

Hera's Magock Generation, its very broken

[golden raft]

I'm doing a Aphrodite skull ram build, who do I grab for P-status

[flint patrol]

ive been really sleeping on the zues/apollo duo lol, especially with apollo cast

[golden raft]

What does that do?

[flint patrol]

you channel an extra 30 mana into O cast and itll strike all targets in the cast with lightning

[golden raft]

Oh yea right

[flint patrol]

My most recent victory posting has the run with it, my cast did more damage than my attacks lol

I got lucky with 2 chaos boon helping, reducing mana cost and Omegas doing more damage

[golden raft]

But yea, got any ideas. I'm thinking maybe dem

[flint patrol]

also got the hestia/zues duo proccing my origination arcana

[golden raft]

Nice

Also I don't have Hera so I can't run her for mana

[flint patrol]

have you been running topside at all?

[golden raft]

My flesh plants literally have 6 chambers left

[flint patrol]

pass some whiles with a bath or fishing if you have em unlocked

[golden raft]

I'm just doing a skull run to pass the time

Which I just unlocked

[flint patrol]

does toula's attacks scale off of your own?

[slate pecan]

i don't think so, think it's always 99

[lunar lance]

I think the only thing that currently buffs Toula is one of Circe's gifts?

[plain fossil]

Hey i mentioned this before but does anybody know if the medea 1 to 999 damage boon is equally weighted? It felt like it isnt

[timber fractal]

is judgment a good arcana card to max out?

[tired fulcrum]

Its not good tbh

[quaint dawn]

is there a trick to the trial of heartache? i don't see what the gimmick is

the one with the returning attack torches and aphrodite boons

i can't see any way this weapon is supposed to be an advantage vs eris

[civic ocean]

It's to test how good you are at dealing dmg while moving on the torches I feel

[forest veldt]

u can stand behind the pillars and use special, dont remember if attack goes through pillar. dont let her charged hit pillar since causes it to break

[cunning dove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028569491094908951/1242010754539061288/9a70245bf6b588623da8df53f658f0af.png?ex=664c4827&is=664af6a7&hm=b59925813b10b2fd400d5d8865752c94d64b97c636368ce4289b62369924fc0e& Can you get this when all your arcanas are upgraded? lmao

I have every arcana upgraded and have never seen this one, havent played surface much though

[flint patrol]

are they all max upgraded?

[cunning dove]

Yeah

[flint patrol]

hmm, maybe so then

[zenith bolt]

yes, it actually just upgrades your arcana to rank 4

https://i.imgur.com/1RDCezc.png

[cunning dove]

good to know ty, was scared of a softlock

[novel maple]

welp, i did it again, vow of arroganced away all my mana on a cast build

[civic ocean]

stall player issues

[novel maple]

i think i am just meant to not pick zeus manaregen on those

[civic ocean]

Ionic seems very hard with arrongance yes

[novel maple]

was a funny run though. got offered the godtier staff loadout. and i went for poseidon cast instead

[bleak night]

That'd mean the game has everything programmed up to rank 6 ig ?

[sterile igloo]

test

[rich oxide]

Imagine how OP rank 6 arcana could be

[zenith bolt]

does it?

[bleak night]

there's also a duo that turns your keepsakes into rank 4

[zenith bolt]

and heph's legendary gets rank 6 aspects

[bleak night]

Would make sense, yeah. I noticed that the 6 ranks of weapons follow the colour scheme of Common-Epic-Rare-Heroic-Legendary-Duo

would make sense if there are lime green ranks for even cards and keepsakes

[zenith bolt]

infusions are internally common as well

[bleak night]

the pink on it are probably just a graphics thing rather than an ingame label thing

[severe light]

How do u lvl up weapons past rank V ?

[zenith bolt]

hephaestus' legendary, fine tuning

[bleak night]

it's temporary, but yeah ^

[severe light]

Ok

[zenith bolt]

damn sirens are kinda spooky on +40% speed

well mostly roxy is scary

do chaos gates spawn naturally at all in mourning fields

[bleak night]

I haven't seen any spawn in there without Ixion

[zenith bolt]

happened to get it this run https://i.imgur.com/OPp2ona.png

[rich oxide]

How do you get Ixion

[zenith bolt]

Spark of Ixion is a well of charon item

[rich oxide]

Ok, thanks

[zenith bolt]

on the higher of pricing iirc, spawns a chaos gate at the next opportunity and it costs 0 life to enter

[sterile igloo]

i was trying to beat difficulty 32 for the last statue and died with charon at about 15%. So close :/
Anyone have a build suggestion for difficulty 32?

[tired fulcrum]

Well for charon axe you want apollo cast with the zeus duo. And then hera for born gain for infinite magick

[urban pendant]

Would rank 5* be possible if Echo's keepsake can copy a Circe boon?

[tired fulcrum]

It doesnt copy it picks one of the options you didnt take

[urban pendant]

Hera cast was how I ruined a god tier aspect of pan run
Enemies refused to enter the circle and I was left flailing around like an idiot with everything pumped into omega special

[urban pendant]

I've used Echo's keepsake a few times now but it refuses to trigger so I didn't understand how it works yet, thanks

[eager pivot]

is the vow of haunting kinda like the souls in elysium?

[urban pendant]

Kind of, they leave little spooky bois on the ground and you need to walk over them in 5 seconds or the enemy respawns with full health (armour included)

[tired fulcrum]

You just run into them you dont have to kill them

[eager pivot]

oh that's nice

[tired fulcrum]

Though that also means you cant just snipe them from across the room

[eager pivot]

i assume it's worth taking in low heat?

[urban pendant]

It's "nice" until you get a room with 2 dozen armoured spinny bois and you can't reach the spookies without taking a hit

[tired fulcrum]

Its pretty incompatible with the timer and really packed rooms but otherwise fine ig especially in low heat

[plain fossil]

It makes u run into mobs a bit more, its not a dangerous mod unless u also have timer imo

I take it because i usually run on easy/no timer

[eager pivot]

i'm actually on 12 heat already and i'm not really comfortable taking the timer bc it's too much pressure for me😭

[plain fossil]

Ppl that do 5 minute timers dont like it and i can understand why

[ionic lily]

Its fine on low heat and if you're not taking the timer

[urban pendant]

I beat 16 heat for both zones but I really don't think I'll still have fun going much higher
I can live without the gold statue

Maybe once I get that final 5 Grasp and some more aspect upgrades/higher rank keepsakes

[sterile igloo]

i forget, does chronos have armor? trying to decide if bonus damage vs armor is good

[tired fulcrum]

Main bosses dont have armor

Some of his minions have armor though

[urban pendant]

If I don't get a hammer for my main ability, I'll always take the armour deleting option if it's available, they're so good. Lot of armoured mobs have more armour than health so being able to delete a huge chunk of their armour pool in a single hit is amazing. Also instantly makes Tartarus boss rooms worthwhile even if you have a complete build going already.
They also remove TOTAL armour, not % of current armour. Since most of them deal 50-60% of total armour per hit, you can completely remove it with 2 staff dash attacks for example.

[sterile igloo]

i only really have trouble with chronos though

[urban pendant]

For Chronos you're gonna have to listen to his grunts, he makes different angry titan noises depending on if he's going to swipe or do the stupid boomerang attack

[sterile igloo]

oh i dont have sound

[peak wasp]

I never realized that

I kinda just watch the way he angles his scythe or his wings

[urban pendant]

Yeah it's a long HRRRRRRRNG for a swipe and a short HRRRRRNG for the boomerang

[zenith bolt]

pretty sure for the swipe he holds his scythe to his right, and for the boomerang he holds it to his left

[urban pendant]

I figure they added multiple tells for each attack, personally I can get lost in the visual noise of the fight so the sounds are easier for me

[west rain]

is there a website with all the boon requirements up yet? since we can't open the book while choosing a boon

[bleak night]

Steam has a guide for Legendaries and Duos

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3243844568

[west rain]

wonderful thank you

[versed fulcrum]

I like your pfp

[timber fractal]

For asp of pan, i know to get a ranged cast and go for POS, is there another god you can do for its special? maybe hestia?

[versed fulcrum]

that boon rocks

[west rain]

https://tenor.com/view/did-we-just-become-best-friends-did-we-just-become-best-friends-meme-step-brothers-best-friends-besties-best-friend-gif-23405805

[tired fulcrum]

Hestia special is terrible compared to poseidon, it starts lower, has worse pom gains, and has the dps cap unless you use fire extinguisher to lower its damage further

[timber fractal]

Thats fair

[urban pendant]

Hestia COULD work, if you get some good boons to boost Scorch (lmao Air Quality exploit), but she requires a lot of investment.
Hera also has some decent %damage boost.
Aphrodite only if you get her Poseidon duo, but at that point just get Poseidon special lmao.

[glossy rivet]

Bro i had a zeus start pan dagger and i could not draw air quality for the entire run

[timber fractal]

I just feel locked into certain boons and feel a lil bored ya know? all i use is thanatos axe + aphro then pan + poseidan

[tired fulcrum]

Like air quality doesnt really care what you put scorch on

Well ig you want to stack it somewhat quickly but pan special is kinda overkill

[glossy rivet]

How would air quality work if my scorch dps is already 40/second?

[urban pendant]

Scorch deals its damage as 4 ticks of 10 per second, Air Quality boosts each tick to 30

[tired fulcrum]

Air quality affects the internal ticks. Scorch actually ticks like 6 times a second

[timber fractal]

i feel like zeus pan could be good

[urban pendant]

It's most likely a bug but it's early access, go wild

[glossy rivet]

yuhh
Does it make the accrued scorch run out faster? Or does the calculation go wikd

[urban pendant]

Yeah it might even be more ticks than 4 per second

[tired fulcrum]

It doesnt affect scorch stacks themselves just the damage

[glossy rivet]

So the scorch mechanic still counts as if its dealing 10 ticks?

[tired fulcrum]

Like only indication its doing stuff is the health bar going down way faster doesnt translate into numbers on screen

[glossy rivet]

But i get 30 damage ticks anyway?

[tired fulcrum]

Like the 40 dps a second is split into multiple ticks like 6 or 7 which will each do 30 damage with air quality

[zenith bolt]

ok +40% speed instakills dont mess around

[glossy rivet]

Chronos instakill counts down faster too?

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah think so

[glossy rivet]

Do u guys actually find boon forsaking vow to be beneficial btw?

[zenith bolt]

sometimes

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah sometimes

[zenith bolt]

adjusting to +40% is taking me back... https://i.imgur.com/FEFmPS3.png

[glossy rivet]

I wanna try pan air quality scorch again but i tried just that last run and i could not draw it out even with zeus keepsake start

[tired fulcrum]

Can brick you if not careful with it

[zenith bolt]

protip: health is a resource you spend to do damage

[glossy rivet]

Like i still beat chronos without air quality but man i was tilted

Jolted even (if only)

[tired fulcrum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1218621088049659930/1241912139069788241/Screenshot_179.png?ex=664bec4f&is=664a9acf&hm=875eb33f2c65fe8df0dd63356231c193ffbf86f6b21ee3bfce267617f5071985& relateable

[urban pendant]

72 Numbskull damage, story of my life. That teleport gets me so much.

[glossy rivet]

What's allies damage?

[tired fulcrum]

Tbh that was only 3 hits but yeah 100 numbskull room at end of tart is not fun

[peak wasp]

are chaos gates time saves for runs?

[tired fulcrum]

Uh summon hex i think

[urban pendant]

Gonna guess the summon hex or Toula

[tired fulcrum]

Yep unless you get it right before endshop or in tart

[peak wasp]

btw @tired fulcrum what are the best momus specials besides pos?

[tired fulcrum]

Uh heras mainly. Aphro is big damage but kinda really wants her poseidon duo

Ig zeus can work but blitz mechanics are annoying

[peak wasp]

hera you want to alternate your targets right

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah that or just get the bounce hammer lol

[urban pendant]

Unrelated, but I really feel like Boundless Flurry is the best hammer for Aspect of Pan. Even better than the 16 extra knives/throw in a circle hammer.
Yesterday I got Boundless Flurry, Concentrated Flurry, and then at Tartarus I took the hammer and got Sureshot Flurry on top, I was just DELETING Chronos' health bar while he was channeling the instakill move, 4-5 omega specials in that short timeframe. That reduced channel time goes hard.

Just wish we were allowed to reroll hammers, sometimes I set out with aspect of Pan or aspect of Momus and then the hammers are all like "3 Attack upgrades, take it or leave it"

[zenith bolt]

true (example from my 32 fear run https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/362939825000677377/1241214793126379690/sister_blades_32_fear_chronos.mp4?ex=664c05db&is=664ab45b&hm=b019cd7ae6149f9978eebe914ba0b7de5275863143458fda0c3028d97699eaf4&)

[glossy rivet]

Society if hammer rerolls are allowed

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah hammer specificity is a lot worse here than in 1

[zenith bolt]

blink and you miss the last 50% of hp in phase 2

[tired fulcrum]

Because we have omega only hammers and also you generally use less of a weapons kit

[glossy rivet]

Clocket pan daggers when

[peak wasp]

is there a way to manipulate where frinos stands?

or is it just random

[zenith bolt]

he loosely follows you

i.e. if you walk far enough away from him, he'll jump to you

[urban pendant]

When you instantly lost all your Lovers stacks from standing in his orbs as they spawned, I felt that in my soul

[zenith bolt]

yeah i do that a lot

i. may not be the smartest

its not like i dont know when he's doing it, there's a sound cue and everything

monkey brain just goes "oo aa he's standing still"

[urban pendant]

I hope they don't really touch Poseidon special too much, those repeated splash effects are so satisfying
And it's only "broken" on one or two weapons anyway, he's useless on slow, hard-hitting weapons

[zenith bolt]

i think the easiest way to nerf it is add an internal cd to poseidon maybe

that way it only affects the faster stuff without really hurting like, axe

-3- or they just numbers nerf it anyway bc who is actually using pos on axe anyway

[urban pendant]

If they add an ICD, Aspect of Pan is instantly moved into trash tier, that'd be overkill.

[peak wasp]

I think theyll prob nerf either momus or double moonshot before they touch Poseidon

[honest lodge]

this is how it was in the first game. Flat damage is better on lower damage fast attacking weapons and percentage damage is better on higher damage slower attacking weapons. Maybe the percent bonuses need a slight buff. Or maybe the splash on pos needs less AoE or something

[glossy rivet]

Is changing the power depending on weapon a good idea or na

[honest lodge]

Pan is great with other special boons too TBH.

[abstract glade]

Momus works fine if it did less damage too, Especially considering it's so safe

[honest lodge]

most the damage is pos tho. So reduced rate of fire is how you address that

[zenith bolt]

buffing % has the indirect effect of buffing hera

and hera is already top 2 gods anyway

[urban pendant]

The real killer is Double Moonshot, I tried a Momus run where Double Moonshot refused to show up and it felt awful

[honest lodge]

yeah but you don't need to do hera's then

[peak wasp]

yea i dont think the problem is pos. like im happy taking a common bc I really just need the aoe.

[honest lodge]

each boon is seperate in the percentage bonus it gets

[abstract glade]

It's basically double damage so yeah 😛

[honest lodge]

doubling damage after all other bonuses is crazy

like it could be 50% chance to double or an increased rate of fire on special

[urban pendant]

Finding that right combination of boosts that makes your build click and exponentially boost your damage is what this game is all about though, so do we really need to worry about that kind of thing happening?
Maybe it happens a bit early in the game for Pan/Momus but that's all.

[honest lodge]

in the first game they had the same problem with hammers tho. Some tended to be great while others were never used

[stable sable]

i have to rescind my statement that demeter attack is always weak

[honest lodge]

it also generally feels better to buff underperforming things than nerf good things unless they're just insanely good.

[stable sable]

i consider it a decent choice for axe now, but it could still use some extra damage

[glossy rivet]

Hera and demeter

[stable sable]

like 30%-60% extra damage is just ehhhhhhhhh

[stable sable]

i love hera attack on axe because it basically allows you to clear half the room at once without even actively thinking about it lmao

[urban pendant]

It does give you extra time in which to freely and safely apply that damage, that's Demeter's advantage

[honest lodge]

the slow effect is strong but can be attained with a cast while having a better attack is the issue

[stable sable]

i guess but i just feel like its not quite that useful especially in boss battles 🤷‍♀️

[urban pendant]

Yeah it's not as busted as Hades 1 Demeter lasers vs bosses

[peak wasp]

demeter is so much better rn imho. demeter cast is goated.

[glossy rivet]

Hera atk and dem cast is good for guaranteeing origination to trigger

[versed fulcrum]

yeah but THE ARTEMIS BUILDS ohhhh my precious Artemis crit builds!! The damage, the high crit rates! They're all GONE

[glossy rivet]

Or even just dem cast with cyclone thats two curses at once

[versed fulcrum]

Thanatos axe barely cuts it

[peak wasp]

antler?

[glossy rivet]

Goofy ahh nemesis dash strike builds...

[versed fulcrum]

Helpful, but not enough

[honest lodge]

exactly. One thing that kinda sucks in this game is fewer of the attack/special boons apply a debuff. Like aphro needs dash or something to apply weak. The attack/special doesn't. It does do a ton of damage at close range tho. And apollo only has a chance to apply daze, which isn't very good, and requires a boon for that

[versed fulcrum]

Nemesis + Artemis trinket + support fire + dash-strike + bloodstone snipe

[zenith bolt]

hey chat is there actually a prophecy for beating hecate without arcana

[stable sable]

iirc there should be

[honest lodge]

but like in this game getting 2 statuses on an enemy is harder. There are fewer god combos that do it easily. Only a couple apply on cast without using omega. Most attacks don't apply it without another boon, etc.

[honest lodge]

yes, but wait till you unlock the crystal thing for challenge runs cause one of the challenges fulfills that anyway. And it's an easy challenge

[zenith bolt]

wait till you unlock the crystal
brother. i have finished every single trial already, not to mentioned basically 100% everything else except for fated list

[urban pendant]

There's Aspect of Artemis daggers but yeah I do miss the glorious crits

[honest lodge]

then how have you not completed that?...

[zenith bolt]

it's never appeared for me, i don't have the prophecy

[versed fulcrum]

CRITS, GLORIOUS CRIIIIIITS

[honest lodge]

OH... weird

have you unlocked all the aspects?

[zenith bolt]

i have them all at max rank

[honest lodge]

oh right you have all the trials but not the fated list thing my bad

yeah man IDK how the fated list things unlock. That seems weird tho

[zenith bolt]

i know some of the fated list triggers (e.g. the god ones unlock with nectar)

but uhh yeah i have everything maxed out relationship-wise (to the extent that's possible rn) as well

[honest lodge]

what extent is it possible RN? Like how many nectars does it take?

[zenith bolt]

depends on the character

[bleak night]

Quite a fair bit, but you can just do surface runs to get them easily since one Golden Apple makes like 3 Nectars

[honest lodge]

yeah I just got that recipe

[zenith bolt]

total amount of nectars is like probably 50+? i never needed to do the incantation though

[honest lodge]

I haven't started pumping people full of nectar after the first one yet

[glossy rivet]

ok ik momus is strong but besides poseidon whats the strongestest 2nd and 3rd god to go with it

[honest lodge]

do you have to use ambrosia at some point on them?

[zenith bolt]

only a few and only in crossroads

[bleak night]

just one more run and I'll be done with all keepsakes

[zenith bolt]

but yeah (i think it's nem, moros, and odysseus. maybe dora too? i forgor)

[glossy rivet]

is hestia good with momuseidon

[honest lodge]

zeus is good for chain lighting and the duo. Hestia has a good duo that works with her cast and pos special

[glossy rivet]

steam sounds strong maybe? does steam remove scorch? that'd kill origination if it removes both slip and scorch

[zenith bolt]

i know steam removes slip

and iirc someone else mentioned previously that steam doesnt count as a curse

[honest lodge]

I don't think it does. Fire extinguisher removes scorch

[plain fossil]

hey resident axe specialist - whats ur opinion on mel axe at high heat

[bleak night]

It's pretty trash in Erebus

Like, it struggles more so than all the other weapons, no matter what aspect you play on Axe

[honest lodge]

also, I have to beat eris with axe for the next nmare. Any suggestions on that?

[plain fossil]

well yea i mean all axe is trash in erebus i meant more is there any reason to ever click mel axe over other axe

[bleak night]

Than crit rate helps out quite a bit in Fields and Tartarus, I have to say

[plain fossil]

if its the low heat one just click aph click omega attack and spin2win

[zenith bolt]

abuse sorceress probably

[bleak night]

Like, I never run Mel Axe in high fear because I think Big Chop is terrible in general

[plain fossil]

i mean it is trash but its kinda fun trash 🙂

do u have an opinion on like non big chop mel axe with just spam regular attack

[urban pendant]

I have to beat Eris with torches so I'm just gonna grind 1000 bones rather than deal with that

[abstract glade]

It's not that bad, Just go poseidon and kite her around the pillars

[strange kite]

what's the timing for iframing on the instant kill? i tried a few times and couldn't get it to work

[bleak night]

on High Fear? Nope. In general gameplay, I think it's very fun

[zenith bolt]

mynt have you done the prophecy for hecate no arcana? i need to know if it's actually a real thing

[plain fossil]

aight

[urban pendant]

The torches just feel genuinely awful to play

[plain fossil]

i didnt try mel axe at high fear i struggle enough with the actual good aspects but i was just curious

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1242040986021003334/image.png?ex=664c644f&is=664b12cf&hm=752e6d95e6b689a4f04593341d178873b95fab1ed0f3d8af391f28f546ac6522&

[zenith bolt]

wait what is "Witch of the Crossroads"?

[honest lodge]

so on special spamming torches, is soot sprint like a must? Cause good god I was taking damage trying to kill with those things. Almost beat Chronos but it was no fear run

[plain fossil]

its not a must

[zenith bolt]

for the record, mine looks like this https://i.imgur.com/wFoU1to.png

[cunning dove]

its Medea I think

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1242041300992397432/image.png?ex=664c649a&is=664b131a&hm=2e5d989c112cc7b4a3a58f9fc4bcc220286fc960b4146d74af4fb21b71f08152&

[zenith bolt]

no, that title is exclusively used for hecate

[cunning dove]

oh nvm

[zenith bolt]

????????????

[bleak night]

probs lose to her or something, I lost to her the first time

[plain fossil]

ive probably played special torches more than any other weapon i think, i dont think a sprint boon is necessary although obviously soot sprint is a good generic pickup specially on surface

[zenith bolt]

have i never died to hecate?? wtf lol

[bleak night]

lol

[zenith bolt]

hold on time to throw a run rq

[bleak night]

should I screenie all my prophecies so you can see what's missing ?

[zenith bolt]

sure ig, though i dont think im missing anything else

[versed fulcrum]

bro said "damn Im too good, lemme lose"

[zenith bolt]

sorry guys im too cracked at the game 😔

ig i should bug report it though

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1242041641393717268/image.png?ex=664c64eb&is=664b136b&hm=b5d83a067522fc1e4eeaa2339c36547d081cb7b0e0a4e94344a52510ede04b8e&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1242041672452276294/image.png?ex=664c64f2&is=664b1372&hm=d39554068fb74f94f4eac85042a6087c355115f0b082846942d8c1d4e1aa138a&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1242041700822810664/image.png?ex=664c64f9&is=664b1379&hm=64273251bae3dc74ed9150b4a7521baa14b02b53f7ab6121d20cb19ee6dbdc39&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1242041725879324712/image.png?ex=664c64ff&is=664b137f&hm=16db905e72e1f9a8f0453056e20812cc32cda561d2d40ed57a964e8f9ec20c39&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1242041747211681882/image.png?ex=664c6504&is=664b1384&hm=61851013f57a75541622aa6f0713065dfb6b111ff569c06a45e0f15237a0bd3c&

lmk if I'm missing anything, meanwhile

[versed fulcrum]

Yeah dude you better chill tf out or Supergiant's gonna HAVE to make an even crazier game after this 👀

[zenith bolt]

this is just like when i didnt unlock familiars for 50+ runs because i never did a run with the shade tablet

which was just like that time i played through all the way up to chronos before realizing you could upgrade grasp

reading comprehension is not my strong suit at times

[versed fulcrum]

convincing deceased kids to go to your house with an iPad

[strange kite]

wait i also dont have witch of the crossroads

[zenith bolt]

throw a run to hecate

[bleak night]

is that actually what triggers it ?

[zenith bolt]

that's what i'm trying rn

[strange kite]

lmao the most secret propheccy ever

[versed fulcrum]

you're too fricken good at the game, dude. You need to suck

[zenith bolt]

inb4 i borked it by being too good at the game

[cunning dove]

im checking now cause I have 100% lost to her before

[zenith bolt]

imagine if this is the run i get barren curse https://i.imgur.com/H3Lg5NC.png

nope

[cunning dove]

I do have withc of the crossroads

[versed fulcrum]

Fellas, if she dont look at you the way the door to primordial darkness and dwelling of Chaos themselves does, she's not the one

[zenith bolt]

hecate missing attacks when im standing still like bruh actually try

like seriously https://i.imgur.com/H7B2tu3.jpeg

[bleak night]

lol

[zenith bolt]

that didnt unlock it oh boy

it did, however, unlock dialogue i hadn't seen yet

[bleak night]

weird

keep losing to her now

[zenith bolt]

time to throw a second run to hecate

[bleak night]

you've already died in Erebus before, right ? Just to maybe move onto the next seed

[zenith bolt]

i honestly dont know if i've like died in just erebus before

[bleak night]

Probably one of those

[zenith bolt]

various flavors of throwing runs here we go

[night yacht]

I've just seen the post on reddit, https://hades2.game-vault.net/wiki/Boons have cool Boons list with elements and now adding Pom bonuses, might use some help. For your consideration 🙂

[zenith bolt]

lol. lmao. there's dialogue i hadn't gotten from hecate thanks to i guess not losing to her before/enough

[plain fossil]

hey how does knuckle bones stack with flood control, is the percentage damage decrease before or after the flat

[thick knoll]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1237413291119083550/1242043536551968808/image.png?ex=664c66af&is=664b152f&hm=d86a31e42543f534739b7552009d86f7108515a14fe82c5d891c8440fca6bfae&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1191&height=670

what you think is best to equip?

[bleak night]

You've got a pretty good setup already, honestly

[zenith bolt]

get the other 2 grasp you're missing and pick boatman

[bleak night]

it'll take a while to get that 1k Psyche though

[zenith bolt]

not really, i mean if you have frinos it's like maybe 7-8 runs

[honest lodge]

I'm working on that last grasp... still... lol

[zenith bolt]

ive thrown a few more runs to hecate but no prophecy :/

[bleak night]

I've never seen this one before https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1242051534230126622/image.png?ex=664c6e21&is=664b1ca1&hm=58ae640c4d24c2da893002aa92706d0ad1ea5a5444d7b006807b61d6dea3a002&

[thick knoll]

whats the limit?

[zenith bolt]

30

[honest lodge]

yeah but 30 costs a bunch of extra stuff haha

[thick knoll]

think im gonna run this
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1237413291119083550/1242052075467177985/image.png?ex=664c6ea3&is=664b1d23&hm=87aab54b4537f87e49ce2cd12e2777a84cb89489a93412fed642ce4dec6939c5&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=528&height=670

until i have enough for champions so i can get seer too

[strange kite]

wat even is xx?

[zenith bolt]

the queen - boons have a +6/8/10% chance to be a duo (when applicable) [awakening: use no more than 2 cards of the same grasp cost]

[strange kite]

ewww

take the 4 reroll boon choices instead of money

[thick knoll]

i use it for epic chance for boons

[strange kite]

reroll is better

[thick knoll]

have a entire row and you have 20% epic boons chance

[strange kite]

and u get a point for the instant dash

[honest lodge]

agreed. Not being able to reroll boons may suck. Cause you get high rarity boons but if they aren't good boons then it sucks

[strange kite]

yeah reroll plus the dash plus the dodge is better than 20% epic

20% epic doesnt actually matter

u already have increased rare chance so ur likely to see good boons rarity already

duos in this game suck. the card actually lowkey hurts u if duos get offered too early

but really it just isnt useful

cuz u can force duos anyways

[bleak night]

my keepsakes are also done now https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1242054112028266536/image.png?ex=664c7088&is=664b1f08&hm=052ee86ad69dbf68e082f59e1b6941587b10c3333f43d4530fe09056bd496fb5&

[strange kite]

getting dodge chance is pretty good cuz dodge can come in clutch

[sterile igloo]

beat difficulty 32 on my next run :)))))))

still had all 3 death defies, never died once

[honest lodge]

there are some good duos but if you're not going for a build where most you'll be offered are good then it's not so good

[forest veldt]

with fear unlocked most legendaries and duos are guaranteed assuming u get enough boons

[strange kite]

basically if u want the duo u can force it most likely.

[thick knoll]

you don think it worth running the epic buff?

[strange kite]

nah not over rerolls

and its pointless when u already have rare chance

[honest lodge]

I wanna run that at 30 with all the rerolls

[thick knoll]

you want the money then for the other reroll right

[strange kite]

u can even go for money + rerolls and ignore rarity if u just want max rerolls and dont care at all about rarity

which is highly reasonable for some builds

especially infusion ones and legendary/duo builds

but that depends on what u want

[honest lodge]

at 30 you can add the other rerolls and keep the money and stuff. Also the money keeps that whole row on

[scenic saddle]

has axe hammer boon been changed? i havent seen the furious whirlwind in 4 days

[sterile igloo]

coarse grit is the best boon by about 78 points.

[strange kite]

i think that row is bad compared to 10% dodge

[shy turtle]

hello what is best special boon for pan

[strange kite]

i havent even unlocked the duo boon card lul

[strange kite]

poseidon

[tame vector]

I like judgement lmao

[forest veldt]

can be worth for builds that have many good dmg boons

[shy turtle]

does scorch work

[strange kite]

no

scorch is the worst

[plain fossil]

I mean scorch works in the sense that it does stack scorch the way u would expect

[honest lodge]

don't get hit... OR do so much damage from strong boons you just face roll everything. lol

[strange kite]

no im getting hit u cant stop me and i cant dodge

[plain fossil]

Scorch is obviously capped dps tho unless ur doing some memes with zeus infusion so its not usually something u wanna rely on as dps source

[honest lodge]

pos unless you are planning to get some flat damage bonus like high fire with the hestia infusion, then damage output on a percentage based boon can be crazy. Lots more investment tho.

[strange kite]

its just poseidon 100% of the time everytime no questions asked

always poseidon on pan

[honest lodge]

scorch is great for non cast build for some extra damage. Getting a rare one for 45 scorch and not upgrading it is pretty good. And it works for origination

[plain fossil]

I like percentage boons over poseidon if ur first hammer is the base damage one

[tame vector]

Was gonna ask, how does Hestia infusion work? +2 to flat damage?

[strange kite]

scorch cast is fine. its just worse than demeter in every way lmao

[plain fossil]

Yes its +2 base per fire

[sterile igloo]

what do people take for their starting item? I have been taking the one that gives arcana card or the epic chaos boon. Permanent upgrade early on then swap out for the last chapter.

[honest lodge]

I had the base damage one and the hestia boon for like +14 base damage and that got pretty bonkers with a +110% special boon

[tame vector]

So if i were Pan, do i want flat damage flourish with that? Or % damage?

[strange kite]

poseidon rare is 30 plus more after pom lel

[tame vector]

How does it scale?

[forest veldt]

better for ranged builds w/ the cast aiming

[honest lodge]

% with hestia infusion

[strange kite]

yeah i guess that’s true

[tame vector]

Is there a way to increase chances of infusions being offered?

[forest veldt]

mostly god for main dmg of weapon, then swap off after first zone

[strange kite]

still demeter freeze just lets u walk in and kill the frozen stuff which is kinda the best feeling ever

[bleak night]

does Demeter still have really raw voice lines whenever she kills bosses with her legendary or nah ?

[forest veldt]

tru, and she is great for solo 2 curses. but not only option

[strange kite]

armored stuff just freeze and shotgun

[honest lodge]

So it's called the triple H. Hestia, hera, heph. All fire and earth boons. Hera on special, hestia cast, can do heph attack for occasional hephsplosions. Take hestia and heph infusions for tons of bonus damage. Use hera magick regen ideally

[forest veldt]

haven't tried the kill at 10% yet, think that could be good for bosses

[bleak night]

it had really amazing voice lines in Hades I

[forest veldt]

oh there are voice lines for it? thats sick

[bleak night]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J89aaeGNGwg&ab_channel=diethylmalonate

[forest veldt]

thats cool, are they unique animations too? not per boss but in general w/ the killing

[honest lodge]

I did the triple H and got bonus base damage and hookshot hammers. Was crazy damage

[strange kite]

poseidon is always crazy damage too lul

[bleak night]

In Hades 1? Yeah, idk about here though, I never gave it a shot

[strange kite]

its just crazy damage starting in erebus

instead of in fields

[honest lodge]

erubus is cake tho anyway

[strange kite]

no?

[bleak night]

depends

[strange kite]

erebus is non trivial and can be pretty hard if ur unlucky

[bleak night]

Erebus is usually the hardest in high Fears for most weapons

because the enemies have bonuses from the Vows while you have little to nothing boosting you yet

[honest lodge]

depends on fear for sure. Pos is probably better for high fear

[strange kite]

poseidon is always better

its like just not in question at all how dominant poseidon is for pan

[honest lodge]

but if you're newer and just need to get your first chronos kill then building for max endgame damage is good

[forest veldt]

i wonder how hard it would be to make a calc for these things, just to get concrete info

[strange kite]

wanna melt kronos? poseidon

[honest lodge]

I did the calculations. Wasn't that hard

[forest veldt]

u got a graph or something to see breakpoints of flat vs percent?

[honest lodge]

depends on factors. How pommed up stuff is and such. How much fire you get that run. But sadly the breakpoints are not great. Going pos is much easier and something like triple H is gonna require luck to beat it out very early in a run. It's kind of memey for when you like to record sick damage numbers

[strange kite]

poseidon is 120% damage boost but in an aoe starting unpommed rare for dagger specials

[honest lodge]

depending on rarity

[strange kite]

i said rare unpommed

[honest lodge]

but yeah it can do like double what the base damage when pommed up I think

[strange kite]

and its multiplicative with additive modifiers like origination

and the bonus damage thing for cast

[forest veldt]

ya thats why power, flat, and crit chance so nice since have other sources of % dmg

[honest lodge]

you can nearly double the base damage with other stuff and then double or more that with a special boon, yielding more overall damage, which also multiplies with origination I believe, but for the investement the extra damage is not that great really, which is the issue, and the fact that it's weaker early

[strange kite]

it dorsnt multiply with origination

[bleak night]

I need to train using Skull a bit more

[forest veldt]

pretty sure all sourcse of % dmg are additive

[strange kite]

aphro 100% and origination is just 150%

[bleak night]

I'm getting the hang of it, and it's actually pretty enjoyable

[forest veldt]

ya its a pain, think pretty good reward tho if can get down

[strange kite]

and ofc without the range or aoe

also poseidon randomly has like the 2nd best mana boon lul

obviously u would rather hera but bubbles is solid

[forest veldt]

he also gets a lot of % dmg w/ the per encounter

[honest lodge]

really?... That seems weird as most games do not do it that way. This is because typically damage will be calculated on the attack and then when it hits the enemy it has a set value, which gets modified by circumstantial conditions like if there is a status effect or whatever. Cause the game doesn't know there's gonna be a status effect when you make the attack

[strange kite]

well

it is what it is

[honest lodge]

but this has been tested?

[strange kite]

yes

[honest lodge]

that's weird. The game must hold all damage calculations until the target is hit then

[strange kite]

if u want to check

turn on the cast arcana for 30% damage

take aphro keepsake and get her special and rarify

[honest lodge]

indeed

[strange kite]

and if it does 57 its additive

[honest lodge]

yeah, the game would actually be more balanced if they'd done it that way. Pos would be less dominant. But they're not gonna change that at this stage

[strange kite]

pos is dominant on exactly 2 things

[forest veldt]

pos only best on weapons w/ low base dmg which often hit a lot, wepaons that hit harder and fewer are better w/ other gods

[honest lodge]

Yeah I'm aware

[strange kite]

pan and staff for obvious reasons. other stuff still better off with the % mods

[forest veldt]

not really dominant imo at least

[honest lodge]

honestly it's kinda weird they don't do percentage on everything. Makes it easier to balance. Make the weapons balanced to begin with, before boons, and that balance scales evenly across them all with boons

[strange kite]

yeah poseidon feels relatively well balanced outside of momus

[forest veldt]

wym? most things are %

[bleak night]

probs means make everything % like Hades 1

[forest veldt]

not as funky as poe for example w/ increase and more

[plain fossil]

I like that theres different scaling that works differently on different weapons

[honest lodge]

most but not ALL. the exceptions throw a wrench into things

[plain fossil]

Really tight balance where everything is samey for balance reasons gets solved rly fast

[forest veldt]

ah ic, kinda like the more options to scale dmg, see where ur coming from tho

[glossy rivet]

P sure in hades 1 theres still flat dmg like zesus

[bleak night]

ah right, true

[strange kite]

because they want u to think about the properties of ur weapon and have room to construct a build based on what u know about a weapon and properties rather than just always pick aphro or somethibg

[ocean ibex]

i would imagine splash isn't a % is because it's a curse

[forest veldt]

curses work same as any other % dmg iirc

[ocean ibex]

the only other %-based curses are hitch, which basically has to be %, and technically weak but that doesn't realy count in this situation

[honest lodge]

does splash cound as a curse?

[bleak night]

Slip does

[forest veldt]

slippery slope

[ocean ibex]

does it not count?

[forest veldt]

its just additive % dmg i think

[plain fossil]

Splash isnt actually a curse fyi it doesnt proc origination on its own

[honest lodge]

yeah that's what I thought. You need slip

[glossy rivet]

Steam is not counted as a curse? Danng

[forest veldt]

steam isn't, pretty sure slip is a curse tho. mb thought said slip not splash

[honest lodge]

steam just deals damage

[plain fossil]

Steam is also not a curse, it probably should be but currently is not

[glossy rivet]

Also i think the duo for poseidon-hestia and zeus-poseidon have anti synergy yeah?

[forest veldt]

ya and removes slip for 2 curse card

[strange kite]

duo for zeus poseidon is so worthless lul

so many duo boons in this game SUCK

[glossy rivet]

Tfw
Should have counted steam as curse imo
I mean razor shoals was a curse in hades 1

Both just do damage too so i dont see why steam shouldnt be counted as curse

[forest veldt]

agree, not sure if any other status type things don't count

[plain fossil]

Yea duos need a balance pass, theres a couple of rly generically op ones and also too many that are bad for every build

[honest lodge]

curses were easier to come by in 1 cause stuff like hera attack caused weak I think. Most attacks in this need another boon to curse and such.

[plain fossil]

All steam needs is to count as a curse fwiw

[glossy rivet]

What even is the aphro duo with the lone shades