h2-builds-and-combat

[zenith bolt]

also give it up for placeholders (volume 3, damage suffered edition) https://i.imgur.com/I3c7nJM.png

[civic ocean]

No move in the game infuriates me more at high fear than triple divide

[zenith bolt]

it somehow is always the last one i check

actually third image from this run, look so many boons https://i.imgur.com/VqTwnTg.png

[civic ocean]

The difference between a 10 second hecate phase and 30 seconds minimum is that stupid sprint with the fire hitboxes that are super unclear

[zenith bolt]

god yeah that's the worst one

[thin lantern]

Heph start with no rerolls is so sad :c

[zenith bolt]

you will take your heph special and you will like it

[civic ocean]

Playing this game with no rerolls is sad

[acoustic pier]

aromatic phile is so good, getting to save a Rarify and take a common attack buff has been great

[thin lantern]

I should stop trying to level keepsakes while doing frickin' fears

[civic ocean]

I think just knowing when to do that when you have Arrogance is really smart play tbh, vial or not. "Do I need this to be rarified?" Is a fun thing to think about

[wind lake]

yeah levelling keepsakes is so annoying

[zenith bolt]

ugh. https://i.imgur.com/Qbs91Dq.png

[wind lake]

I wish there was a recipe to force level up a keepsake

[tender flint]

1 Thing tell me if this is wrong but for the run you start pos and switch to antler right?

[civic ocean]

Yes

Start pos, roll for special

[white steppe]

what was the hestia aphro duo, im in boon selection so i cant check

[zenith bolt]

screw it im doing 32 fear bc it's momus

[white steppe]

im playing medea skull w aphro attack for context

[coral cove]

i can't figure out how to win with the flames

i had poseidon special and 2 of the good hammers, the one that makes them grow and the one that does +1 for omega special

[verbal lark]

Big special energy

[thin lantern]

You people with your fancy 'white antlers'...

[coral cove]

which is like the best way to go, yet i still couldn't do it 😭

[verbal lark]

Have you level the mel aspect?

[white steppe]

they call it the white antler cause its permanently stuck being common

[coral cove]

no i wan't to clear with every base weapon before unlocking the aspects

[civic ocean]

Oh uhh yeah that explains it

[spare kite]

Please just unlock the aspects

[coral cove]

it feels like it doesn't get any better for the flames than the build i had

[verbal lark]

Upgrading aspect of mel makes the flames... a lot more usable for special spamming

[civic ocean]

The flames disproportionately scale up based on their aspects

[thin lantern]

literally me lmao

[coral cove]

white antler should just be like some % not 30 hp it's so hard to use

[civic ocean]

I think it would be harder to use that way

[thin lantern]

Someone give me a decent 20 fear for skulls specifically

[green wren]

selene should never show up first surely its so bad

[steel sequoia]

i never use white antler

[green wren]

i have selene first 4 times in a row? both up and down

[civic ocean]

Generally speaking, the base 20 fear setup is

Destitution II
Arrogance II
Forsaking
Desperation II
Wandering II
Scars II
Fury II

That's for if you want to go higher. you can mix and match from there if you're staying at 20 based on playstyle

[thin lantern]

Arrogance 2 for skull? You've gotta be kidding.

[civic ocean]

Arrogance 2 is generally free on every weapon

[thin lantern]

wha

do people just run blue drinks, or disable every rarity boost?

[civic ocean]

You pick up the odd blue drink, yes, and also they turn off Excellence, yes

[thin lantern]

sounds miserable. I hate arrogance and wall to wall white boons lmao

[zenith bolt]

i love triple divide flames eating all 3 of my lovers charges immediately

[tender flint]

ok wow thank you this makes a lot more sense

[civic ocean]

I actually just stand still

[white steppe]

im running it on medea rn, you dont need omegas anyway

[civic ocean]

For medea you can run Panic as well

[thin lantern]

LMAO so. I'm a certified dumbass. You know how you can dash into an axe spin? I only JUST NOW realized you can dash to trigger Persephone omega attack.

Also, I hate medea, I only play persephone because it's fun.

[civic ocean]

Then don't take Panic, obviously, yeah.

[thin lantern]

I'm very thankful that revenants are free fear for me

even on 7min, revenants are literally just free for the way I play

[civic ocean]

they stop being free the harder the game gets

[thin lantern]

I won my 32 with rev2

[civic ocean]

but perhaps it is playstyle specific, sure

[steel sequoia]

i dont like revenants i always has to kill them again lmao

if they dropped like bombs of chaos do, but sometimes they go on the other side of map

[mystic bison]

Finally beat 20heat Axe after 4 losses back to back

[quiet laurel]

what is happening here lol
https://imgur.com/a/H6FkxGE

[golden flare]

is there, like, a strategy for the shadow spiller without getting hit? i always lose a bunch of health to it because its attacks don't seem predictable at all and you have to get close even tho i can get thru the rest of erebus pretty much unscathed

[thin lantern]

hm, I dislike scars and destitution past 1, but I did win 32 with dest2... I despise arrogance, don't like forsaking unless I absolutely have to push 32, haunting/wandering never leaves for me, fury 2 also basically never leaves. I'm currently running blood 1, a chunk of dominance, one commotion, and desp2. skulls have aoe, so they can deal with some extra spawns as long as I don't take non-boss tart side rooms

[civic ocean]

its attacks are predictable! It always alternates between slow overhead hit and side swipe. Both have different timing, but can be dodged by dashing through the spiller (be mindful of the crawling bombs)

[sudden scaffold]

Dodge into it to get behind it, it can only hit forwards, and it always uses the same two attacks alternatively, it's pretty easy once you learn the timing

[golden flare]

oh yeah i always get the crawlers first which isn't too bad! guess i gotta get into that mindset of dashing in rather than away

[thin lantern]

ohai demeter. thanks for maybe saving my run

hm. apollo or zeus... it's skull, time for apollo attack

[civic ocean]

Funny I always do the opposite

[thin lantern]

dark souls moment

Man, Apollo attack on skull is extremely satisfying.

ah damn, not gonna make 7 minutes, skull early game too slow

what happens if you time out again?

[spare kite]

5 dmg/s

[thin lantern]

ah. time to lose death defiances to hecate

too much goddamn fishing. can't help myself.

[verbal lark]

Okay

I really underestimated Hephy Sprint

[thin lantern]

time to restart this night and stop fricking fishing

heph sprint with good rarity hits like a train tbh

[tame loom]

Anyone have a build calc or sonething? Would be cool to plan out builds before the run

[verbal lark]

Yeah I got it to be hit by Narc keepsake

[verbal lark]

Wdym, like a calculator? What do you need that the ingame codex/boon list doesn't have?

[steel sequoia]

ive made a run with heph sprint hitting 617 or something, does a solid aoe dmg if u have the regen

[steep heron]

damn, chronos +40% speed is pretty hard

[thin lantern]

ok so, this epic heph sprint legit is carrying my 4th attempt at this seed.

aphrodite? don't mind if I do. almost as good as the dem/apollo I was running. persephone special likes her

heph sprint is actually cracked for erebus, wipes the floor if you have no blue shields

[wise idol]

best attack and special boon for persephone skull?

[verbal lark]

Shameless aditude boosts heph sprint btw, it's nutty

[thin lantern]

actually, heph sprint is absurdly high magick efficiency

[steel sequoia]

if you have a good cast it feels good

[spare kite]

Aph cast + heph's sprint

[honest lodge]

this haha

[tame loom]

Just to see where everything fits

[verbal lark]

I wish I could use Hades cast outside of tartarus

[thin lantern]

yeah I'm running for soft caress this time with that exact roll, since I can't get dem anymore. poseidon showed up though, idk what to do with him lmao

[tame loom]

Like was surprised got Aphrodite's pull ln the cast along with Demeter cyclone. Didn't think I could

[zenith bolt]

moment https://i.imgur.com/7PCFY9h.png

[spare kite]

We'll have it by 1.0 and dad gets regular appearances through the run (pure copium)

[honest lodge]

what about demeter cast follows you? Would that be good with aphro cast plus heph sprint?

[thin lantern]

I GUESS I can try to get island getaway off wave strike/flutter flourish or vice versa

[zenith bolt]

anyway yeah momus is still busted https://i.imgur.com/WYu6o0j.jpeg

[verbal lark]

I would like his keepsake to transform your first reward into a "Boon of Hades"

[zenith bolt]

had king tide before scylla, got double moonshot in mourning fields

[steel sequoia]

its funny u dont even need anything besides sprint

[thin lantern]

WAIT THIS CAN COOK. Aphro attack and Poseidon special on persephone skull, duo boon, profit

[zenith bolt]

i grabbed apollo sprint because it's the best sprint imo

going faster = good
daze = one of the best curses

[steel sequoia]

the movespeed boost is so good

[thin lantern]

daze with backstab is hilarious, ez damage

[haughty pine]

It would be a pretty interesting Hades keepsake effect if he gave you one of his boons randomly

[zenith bolt]

i can do 32 runs in sub 20 but i can't do timer 3 bc i can't clear erebus sub 5

[haughty pine]

Ah exactly, same thought

[slate zodiac]

how tf did you hit Hephaestus?

[zenith bolt]

at least, not without tanking timer damage ig

[dense wadi]

I really need to manage to win with 32 fear lol. I want that statue

[slate zodiac]

Well....yeah, they didn't nerf the aspect or boons iirc

[zenith bolt]

i took damage from hephaestus thanks to trial of the gods

[steel sequoia]

trial when u pick over 2 gods

[slate zodiac]

Oh, I didn't know what that meant I thought this was the damage dealt section

[zenith bolt]

damage dealt section is above that

[steel sequoia]

protip never leave hestia or zeus

[zenith bolt]

aphro is also bad but she was bad in hades 1 too

[steel sequoia]

you can easily dodge, kinda like poseidon

[zenith bolt]

hera is free, apollo is free, heph isnt that bad i was just playing like a goober

[steel sequoia]

but zeus and hestia are so chaotic

[spare kite]

Hestia is surprisingly annoying when pissed off

[slate zodiac]

Demeter is free but it's hard to see the AoE sometimes

[thin lantern]

you know who screws me up real bad? hera in a trial

[white steppe]

bruuuh chronos started charging the instakill while i was in death defiance

[thin lantern]

KEK

[zenith bolt]

average chronos

[honest lodge]

spawn camper

[steel sequoia]

i hate the 3 step dmg by chronos, when he hits the first usually ur screwed

[white steppe]

i feel like every other 20 bounty was easy and on skull i just get cooked

[thin lantern]

so, Heph dash cooks Uh-Oh alive

rat dead in like 20 seconds

[slate zodiac]

He does that

[verbal lark]

Just finished a run with heph dash, no fear but everything died so fast I wish I did have fear on

[mystic bison]

Bruh I haven't fought uh oh in like 30 runs

[slate zodiac]

Uh-Oh is actually one of the primordial beings alongside Chaos for that rat is immortal it seems

[thin lantern]

What should I prioritize, Epic Flood Control or Epic Wave Flourish on Perse skull? I'm aiming for Island Getaway and Soft Caress, mind you.

Island Getaway for my Aphro attack to pop off. Got good rarity all day due to the epic arcana

Flood Control subtracting 4 damage per hit sounds real good right about now actually

[zenith bolt]

flood control sounds better than wave flourish on persephone skull

[thin lantern]

yeah, flood control scales way better with rarity

[slate zodiac]

I don't think Pos Special is particularly good on Skull. imo tho

[thin lantern]

wave flourish is because my first gods were heph-aphro, and poseidon just spooked my door. so they're locked in.

[white steppe]

how do you not eat damage on medea while you're bum rushing things. heph?

[slate zodiac]

you can dash and i-frame

[zenith bolt]

i usually take aphro + heph on skull so i have healthy rebound and heph stuff for cope

[white steppe]

yeah i had epic healthy rebound last run that thing was putting in WORK i checked fleece before chronos and I had like 650 taken dmg and i was full health lul

[tall notch]

How do you dash when sending in the special? Can you dash while you're on the way forward?

Or does special give you iframes?

[slate zodiac]

the alternative is to just run at them with Attack and dash at the last second, wait for an opening, then omega special or tap special. Medea is quite clunky to use

Omega Special does provide i-frames if you're dashing with it btw

[thin lantern]

also... with heph aphro poseidon as the gods that rolled, wtf else would I put on special? aphro special would leave me with poseidon attack, since she gave me her cast and that's needed for soft caress

and for all that pos special isn't great on skulls, pos attack is worse

[slate zodiac]

I'm gonna be honest, I'd just go with Aphro Special if I were you

[thin lantern]

least I can MAYBE cook if I get wave flourish and getaway.

[slate zodiac]

Aphro Attack+Special if possible

[white steppe]

idk what else to do on skull other than medea, i dont wanna do mel skull cause im like incapable of missing salvo array so it inevitably devolves into omega attack apollo and persephone skull just looks kinda bad to me

[slate zodiac]

Persphone Skull is unironically the best skull atm

[thin lantern]

heph dash is literally carrying this damn run kekw

[slate zodiac]

This is an "Eos vs Moros" moment. Medea looks good on paper but then you use Persephone and realize that Medea was terrible

[split jay]

yo quick question the one talent of hermes which increases my dodge chance once im hit
that doesnt stack right?

[zenith bolt]

wym eos vs moros

[tall notch]

What do people actually do on Persephone other than zeus cast? That's the only thing I found so far

[verbal lark]

Stack with what?

[thin lantern]

moros would be good if the goddamn thing worked

[verbal lark]

It just gives you flat dodge chance

[honest lodge]

any specific weapon good for a heph dash build?

[split jay]

ok ty

[thin lantern]

ah, we're going full memes today. goddamn full salvo as my only hammer so far. thanks icarus

[tame loom]

Any recommendations on Argent Skull attack? Initial thought is Zeus or Demter. Poseidon probably works too

[verbal lark]

Can heph dash crit? If so then arty blades I guess

[slate zodiac]

People at the start thought Moros was the best torch but further testing proved that Eos was the best. It's the same with Medea vs Persephone

[verbal lark]

Oh wait no arty only works on "strikes"

[steel sequoia]

ive always thought eos was the best but im newb

[zenith bolt]

honestly for torches i feel it's more mel vs eos and that's still argued

[honest lodge]

I would think it can

[slate zodiac]

It works with any Omega build, but the builds I've done best with are Omega attack Hera spam

[steel sequoia]

i think eos is better bc mel looks so clunky to play, the Y spam usually punishes

[white steppe]

aphro apollor or hera

[tame loom]

Does Hera work properly? Always has felt sorta meh

[verbal lark]

Yeah it can but it's not boosted by arty blades so the weapon kinda doesn't matter... artemis blades are still busted because of the parry tho

[slate zodiac]

back on laucnh nobody thought Eos was worth using. I had to convince everyone to give it a try

[steel sequoia]

would like to play with special torches better tho

[verbal lark]

Mel torches then

[steel sequoia]

i meant if they werent clunky to play

rather have another special aspect than moros

[zenith bolt]

managed to get through this ship without exploding the barrels... winning https://i.imgur.com/q8WqIYM.jpeg

[thin lantern]

HELL YEAH, Island Getaway.

Now we're cooking.

[tired fulcrum]

when i look in feedback and someones complaining momus is underpowered

[thin lantern]

twisting crash too lmao

[tall notch]

I WAS SO CONFUSED WHEN I SAW THAT

[civic ocean]

they're thinking inside the box

Only around the Omega Special and the healing

[zenith bolt]

"the cerberus fight lasts an eternity"
the cerberus fight in question: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/362939825000677377/1241872592772534272/2024-05-16_14-20-57.mp4?ex=664bc77a&is=664a75fa&hm=7c5257ce05ef8a591087b791f9c4c563322c9d504231d7385b88edd610bc97a5&

[honest lodge]

I got it. Mel Flames for heph dash. Get that special damage added. Aphro special is good for that right? Cause you want aphro for that anyway

[thin lantern]

ow, out of defiances and echo didn't offer me hers. guess I'm going back to the crossroads before this build reaches chronos :/

could win if I had the skill, but I just lost two DDs to dog at base damage.

maybe dad will offer me the death defiance damage and I can still just brute force with skelly's tooth... maybe.

[slate zodiac]

[thin lantern]

Is there any indicator of when a room is a fountain?

[tired fulcrum]

Dont think so

[thin lantern]

At least this run is fun, if a total meme

[warped harness]

i cannot make the axe work or feel good at high fear, what am i doing wrong

[tall notch]

Ask Mynt, they've made it work in like fear 43 I believe

[wise idol]

there is in rift of thessaly, if its a reward on the door instead of a green arrow

[thin lantern]

I meant in tartarus.

[tall notch]

I believe a single god boon that's not elite has to be a fountain? Not 100% sure on that though

[warped harness]

@bleak night can you give me tips on running the axe at high heat? what boons and stuff feel good and or just work well? i love the axe but i cant make it work with the fast enemies right now

[zenith bolt]

holy crap another thing for fated list, i was starting to lose it https://i.imgur.com/mw9y7X8.png

[thin lantern]

Can megapoms be a fountain tho

[zenith bolt]

no, it was chant that i hadnt

[spare kite]

Yeah realized lmfao

Confused it with channel speed for a sec

[zenith bolt]

im still missing defiance and uhh barren curse

[tall notch]

I dooooooooon't think so, never happened to me

[spare kite]

Actually can embryo give you their infusion if you have the pre reqs

[zenith bolt]

idk

i think the only prereq is a requirement to have taken a Creation blessing from them

[spare kite]

You need 1 duo element

[zenith bolt]

but honestly idk what the embryo can even give you in total

[narrow mirage]

Is there way to make sure Artemis appears at least once?

[zenith bolt]

TIL duos are aether

i just thought creation was the only way to get it

[glossy rivet]

Ive had tartarus megapoms be a fountain room

[thin lantern]

2 minutes left and no death defiances for Chronos. I'm just gonna lose

well technically... I have skelly

[glossy rivet]

I think gold can also be a fountain room too

[wise idol]

oh mb

[thin lantern]

dammit. shoulda tried then.

but hey, at least I got both the pos-aphro and aphro-heph duos today, so fated list is gg

gonna lose... profitably. unless I somehow manage chronos in 1:38

[zenith bolt]

what i find funny is that infusion are considered common rarity (you can still get them while having the chaos curse for only commons, and they don't trigger vow of arrogance)

[glossy rivet]

So probably non miniboss and non trial of gods room in tart can be a fountain room
Also non downstairs

[wise idol]

the only time ive ever known a tartarus room was a fountain was when it was the ONLY door option I had, I think it was a triple money reward. Not sure if that was a bug, cuz I assumed it had to give you a countdown door in every room

[glossy rivet]

Nice mandatory fountain

[zenith bolt]

fountains in tartarus are buggy in general

[brittle prairie]

Just use a fully upgraded Selena laser beam hex to skip each phases health bar :)

[thin lantern]

I wish

[spare kite]

Nah I've gotten forced into trials after taking detours
But idk how much is design vs bug lmao

[thin lantern]

Also, I got poppies. Lul.

Needed those anyway. May the next runs not be so damn cursed

[dawn token]

Does burning desire spawn shades at chronos ?

[brittle prairie]

I really wish hexes were viable in higher fear cause phase skipping chronos with the beam is the most fun ive had fighting him

[honest lodge]

so here's what I'm thinking: Aphro, heph, apollo on mel torch. Aphro special, apollo attack, aphro cast with the larger cast size, heartbreaker with the duo for more hearts, heph sprint with the duo for bigger AoE.

[thin lantern]

Nope! It's terrible.

[dawn token]

😭

[warped harness]

i kinda hate how every run on the surface has 3 boons of a random god you probably arent gonna synergize with

[honest lodge]

I felt like in the first game is was easier to avoid them. In this game you often get stuck with one door in the first area and maybe you can reroll it to a better god but it can def make run shaping harder

[thin lantern]

Eh, I like Ephyra spamming a ton of one god, I just hate how damned long the place takes

[golden flare]

how much is sister blades special base damage? trying to game out whether to swap from nova flourish +110% to wave flourish +58 flat splash. i do also have a chaos +68% on special. i really wish there was a boon sandbox with skelly 😭

[warped harness]

25 per blade

[bronze ginkgo]

boon sandbox would be great

[honest lodge]

ephrya is crazy like that. You kinda gotta work around whatever that one god with 4 doors is

[zenith bolt]

it makes sense that each area in surface is longer than each area in underworld because there's only going to be three areas on surface compared to the four that underworld has

[thin lantern]

Blades special is basically always stronger with poseidon flourish due to the hit count.

[honest lodge]

it should def have more cause none had more than a couple you could avoid one you odn't want

[thin lantern]

Really? But then deadline is going to be evil, because it's still 5-7-9.

5 minute ephyra is absolutely nightmarish. Even on low fear 4:30 is my usual time

[warped harness]

most things are busted with the poseiden special i swear

[thin lantern]

When did they ever say surface would be 3 biomes only?

[tall notch]

For fast Ephyra you really need to highroll Medea, Artemis and Heracles showing up

[brittle prairie]

Yeah that seems incredibly unlikely to me?

[thin lantern]

Heracles irritates me unless the plan is to literally just dump all hope of getting gold tbh

[zenith bolt]

que? i never have problems with heracles

[thin lantern]

I guess if you run max charon fear then sure, you ain't buying crap anyway

[tall notch]

He stops the timer which is good for deadline

[thin lantern]

His added spawns keep chunking me because they're all overtuned thessaly mobs lmao

[warped harness]

is there any good build for the staff that doesn't involve poseiden special

[civic ocean]

Once they stop the timer when you look at bats fast ephyra should be good

[thin lantern]

Keeps spawning early and the only alternative is to just wait it out and not bother with farming gold off him

[civic ocean]

Basically anything % based on momus is good

[thin lantern]

Medea on the other hand is, well, completely free

[warped harness]

hera?

[civic ocean]

Yep

[warped harness]

ok, i keep only getting common boons as well which is a pain

[thin lantern]

Medea is a huge W, but Heracles just keeps spawning harpies on my ass when I have 0-1 boons

[civic ocean]

Goal of the Heracles rooms is same as the artemis rooms

Just play very passively and don't die or take unnecessary dmg

[forest veldt]

helps to take gods keepsake for special to guarantee the rare, everything else can be whatever

[thin lantern]

Well, as I said, if you just completely throw his event I guess it's free, but that assumes you're giving up shop being relevant

[civic ocean]

Not at all

You can still shop, Heracles literally does not take money from you

[thin lantern]

No, but everything he kills doesn't give you gold, and on lower fears his room gives a ton from your kills... But on high fears, sandbagging denies you the money you could have made beating him

[warped harness]

whats the point if i just get 1 rarified boons and then 3 boons of a god who doesnt pair well with the first god i take

[forest veldt]

for momus at least u dont rly need much, ur pretty much set after getting the spec boon and 2 curses

[civic ocean]

This is a weird way to look at it, Heracles spawns in at least double the enemies.

Under no circumstances is it worth taking dmg to kill something for gold, so you prioritize safety

[civic ocean]

Every god pairs well in Hades 2

[thin lantern]

Although it depends. If you're running ranged you can just yeet potshots in to KS him like dirty Nem swipes

[distant jackal]

Aphrodite Heartthrob on Ω Special/Attack + bonus heartthrob and Apollo double Ω Special + Attack === Thousands of damage in seconds

[distant root]

anyone got a nice blade build? been trying to reroll for a specific one but sadly luck is not on my side :(

[thin lantern]

Guy does take eternity to actually kill anything with blue hearts though. Don't you have to actually play a bit to make sure you aren't waiting like 5 minutes irl for the guy?

[civic ocean]

You obviously can kill some enemied but if you take damage you have thrown the room

[thin lantern]

Problem with surface mobs is that thessaly enemies have that damned problem of massive aoe or weird movement

[distant root]

hits in this game are so fast that i find every weapon has a way to deal with them that makes them practically mean nothing

[zenith bolt]

finally..... https://i.imgur.com/EMoyfSw.png

[distant root]

those barrel guys have such a small attack cooldown

[thin lantern]

So if you don't have a way to kill things safely, avoiding EVERYTHING is pretty rough tho

Depends on aspect, of course. Some aspects have a free ride.

[bronze ginkgo]

what runs did you run the "deal more damage, take more damage" keepsake?

[civic ocean]

If you don't know how to kill things safely you're probably not lasting long at 32 fear anyway

[thin lantern]

It's mostly because they need to nerf the goddamn harpies...

[zenith bolt]

just regular runs, i dont think was ever an issue for me

[bronze ginkgo]

oh nice

[zenith bolt]

probably just whatever was on dark thirst

[thin lantern]

Tbf. I got my statue. Just cheesed them with momus and I think just ran with the adamant shard for trusty shield both times

Just not going to play 32 again unless something demands it

Adamant shard or barley are the safe ways to start 32, not a ton of skill required to just spam dice for trusty shield and take 400% damage

[civic ocean]

Not on many of the weapons, no. Trusty Shield will save you less hp than Volcanic Strike will

[thin lantern]

Hm? No, the point is trusty shield+400% replaces the damage fear almost entirely.

[civic ocean]

Not really, you still take 100% afterwards

And then you have to figure out how to beat Erebus without dmg

[thin lantern]

Beats taking 200% for the rest of the run, unless you mean just skipping both fears and replacing them...

[civic ocean]

The crit fear just isn't smart to take at 32 imo

[thin lantern]

I did crit fear both ways and skipped normal damage. Took revs too. Although not momus would have sucked.

If I had been willing to run arrogance 2 it would probably have worked on other stuff I suppose

Not touching onion with charon's hades 1 oar.

[summer seal]

Is there any use for Psyche once you have unlocked 30 arcana?

[civic ocean]

That is why I said "with the other weapons" I am pretty confident most good players could randomize their keepsake on 32 Fear with Momus and win over 50% of the time

[glossy rivet]

Can damage from armor spillover into health?

[thin lantern]

I'm not a good player, I just take the shield to basically turn crit into free 4 fear

[spare kite]

Nah

[civic ocean]

No

[tall notch]

Idk if I'd even consider it a nerf. The blade rifts being so hard to see feels like more of an accessibility thing than a power level thing

[thin lantern]

Who said anything about being good? LUL

[glossy rivet]

Epic im 💀 baddie now

[thin lantern]

The fact that they spam at least three or four of the things is kind of a problem in some places. Just the duration on them is insane

The barrels also go weirdly far, like... Farther than omega dagger teleport, feels like. Or about the same

[steel sequoia]

welp this was a weird good run to unlock duos https://postimg.cc/kDfxT5hQ

[thin lantern]

Swords at least you can get used to, although their visibility also sucks.

Also, the anchor guys cover giant chunks of room with their AOE, which is fine by itself but not when the harpies start spamming.

It's mostly just the sheer density of crap going on at any given moment on the surface.

[tall notch]

I hope they fix the surface flames being almost impossible to see under Hestia's cast

[thin lantern]

Any one mob on its own, not a big problem. All of them piling into a room... Ugh

[tall notch]

Because they're both an almost identical shade of red

[thin lantern]

I will say. I personally find Thessaly WAY easier than Ephyra.

Anything above 16, I would rather take these guys in the rift than in an ephyra room

Simply because narrow corridor = funnel = you can engage like two guys instead of six

[plain fossil]

Its weapon dependent imo, theres a lot of obstacles in rift that really mess up projectile weapons

[thin lantern]

I find Rift of Thessaly generally easy and Ephyra... Fun at low fear, demonic at high

[plain fossil]

Like i find playing daggers or special torches in rift miserable

[tall notch]

I've struggled in 32 fear surface so much more than 32 fear underworld. Place might be a bit overtuned

[thin lantern]

Including skull. Omega attack doesn't care at least. Eos torch definitely doesn't care. Pan I still find easier

Honestly I will take anything over having to face the entire population of the Ephyra graveyard at once

On high fear I find it worse than Tartarus.

[plain fossil]

I think its okay for early access, the basic issue is that its two acts stretched into a four act run so the balance is strange

[thin lantern]

Is it actually going to be overall harder to run 32 now versus when the whole 4 biomes come out, I wonder

[plain fossil]

I do agree its harder at least in my experience as a 32 fear strugglebot

[thin lantern]

Does anyone know whether Hades 1 actually made the earlier biomes harder before the release of the next?

Like... Was Asphodel harder before Elysium and so on

People keep saying this but I don't know if it's precedent or copium

Also. What fear level is speed 2, next biome 2, and revenant 2

I forgor, but honestly that seems to be my sweet spot for actually finding the game fun. Above that it just starts getting tedious

[zenith bolt]

found the text i was looking for about surface being 3 areas https://i.imgur.com/sik0MBa.png

also kinda fast surface run https://i.imgur.com/2e57Cap.png

[thin lantern]

man, it sounds utterly insane, thinking of going 3 biomes with the current deadline setup

[hybrid vale]

I’m curious if Olympus will be two zones. Like if climbing the mountain is one and the peak is the final one

[thin lantern]

it COULD be that, like, base of Olympus+peak

[civic ocean]

I think surface 5 doesn't seem that hard but I'd need to lab it some more first

[zenith bolt]

sand for the sand gods https://i.imgur.com/QF4i1RY.png

[thin lantern]

Hmm. Fury/Haunting/Wandering 2 is 11 fear total. I think 12 is pretty much where I'm happy actually playing for fun, not for nightmares

[warped harness]

i wish less enemies spawned with armor its so frustrating

[thin lantern]

yeah, elites are way too common

It legit feels like the more elites heat is baked in sometimes

[zenith bolt]

i only notice such issues in tartarus and by then it's like, if you don't have damage to get through tartarus then you don't have a run that is gonna live chronos anyway

[warped harness]

its just not fun getting things to work but still dying because every enemy is 40% speed armored elites that move through your cast or teleport around

[tall notch]

That's where you Demeter cast all over them

[warped harness]

right because i have demeter cast every surface run

[thin lantern]

I should really stop trying to level trinkets on 20 fear and maybe then I'll actually get through them, though.

Clowning on myself with a level 1 trinket costs me a bunch

[zenith bolt]

i think the only thing i have left to max out is... medea's relationship level lol

mf never shows up

[keen cosmos]

finally looking got the upgrade that lets you see boons in the codex, Romantic Spark looks crazy? basically Merciful End from the first game

[thin lantern]

I have a bunch of Eris hearts to work on after they stealth hotfixed the progstop bug, and Medea showed up at the crossroads for me earlier so that was one heart knocked off my requirement. Still need a bunch of god prophecies, duo boons, and Medea boons tho

[zenith bolt]

you specifically have to sprint, dashing doesn't work so it's actually kinda mediocre

[tender anvil]

What’s the go-to setup (hammers, gods) for Melinoe and Artemis blades? Imagine they are similar?

[hybrid vale]

Although the surface seems to have a theme of each zone's "helper" (medea, circe) being a witch, idk what two other witches would even be there

if that is a repeated pattern

[tender anvil]

The damage can get crazy though - I had 1500 damage blitzes on Chronos, still not sure on how the maths on that worked

[thin lantern]

lmao how the hell

[zenith bolt]

heroic +7 zeus special lol

[tender anvil]

It was a bit weird - blitz itself was 300-ish (+6 epic)

[zenith bolt]

oh yeah i guess blitz benefits from like origination etc

[thin lantern]

it's really annoying, but blitz only takes origination if it's the third total status

[tender anvil]

Yeah, probably that’s the case. Suffice to say Chronos melted, but I’m not sure it’s viable for high fear

Ah, might be the case. I had scorch (hestia duo) and weak on top of blitz

[spare kite]

Wait it doesn't work like doom did
Why

[thin lantern]

early access jank

[dry mirage]

best skull aspect?

[thin lantern]

persephone

[zenith bolt]

my vote goes to medea

[dry mirage]

how do you use persephone

medea seems simple but i dont get persephone

[thin lantern]

spam omegas of all sorts, enjoy free damage

[tender anvil]

Any advice? Got 32 with Pan doing Chiron pew-pew, but from my understanding other aspects have to use the attack primarily?

[dry mirage]

any gods you recomeend for attack/special?

[timber pawn]

artemis you really want the 400% omega attack hammer tbh, and then you just teleport around exploding everything. You probably want no damage control on your 32 setup

aphro would work well on the attack for that, I imagine

[thin lantern]

maybe not meta but apollo attack is really satisfying... you basically can't go wrong with hera, and aphro works great on special

[dry mirage]

alright bet thanks

[tender flint]

@civic ocean thank you so much you finally gave me my first win on staff

[sturdy trail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1040065095679615080/1241892534997745806/image.png?ex=664bda0d&is=664a888d&hm=eff3ae2a40e1f4bc247771db4029f44c6a90876219c5da54ae2fa2253506bcb3& This one is also completely busted

With the exception of Scylla, All boss encounters have adds (underworld at least)

[tender flint]

i wish its buff stayed after each encounter make it kinda of like the thanatos keepsake from hades 1

[timber pawn]

in theory its okay for mobbing rooms but it just scales pretty slow in my experience? it resets every encounter

[sturdy trail]

It would be game breaking, its already so good

[spare kite]

You can use the backstab hammer too (more additive always welcome)

[tender flint]

i know but it would be fun

[tender anvil]

I guess the point is you can bomb a lot of adds at once with it? So it can scale quickly?

[sturdy trail]

Irrelevant, if you have Aphro Boon, something even like 200% backstab Dmg, and you feed off the minions first, you will chew through any boss in seconds

I was doing 4k per backstab

[zenith bolt]

why are eris rockets the highest damage attack in the game discounting chronos instakill

[timber pawn]

thats fair if you have scaling like that it makes a bigger diff for sure

[spare kite]

Cus she's silly like that

[timber pawn]

I imagine because its slow lol

[sturdy trail]

+100% multiplicatively

[timber pawn]

was grinding 32 attempts with Charon axe half the day today

finally got the stupid hammer, and won that attempt immediately lol

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1241893488694661130/32_heat_Axe_Run.PNG?ex=664bdaf0&is=664a8970&hm=25ce448720c71bc1cd91594ffbdfd676963e36c4075292d22c0332a4a9c52c96&

[sturdy trail]

I've gotten myself in a build rut with Axe, Trying to beat 20 fear with Axe (past 20 with all other weapons). I just can't get it to work, it feels really awkward, ive come close a couple times. Tried Charon's aspect, as well as Thans

[tender flint]

what does sudden cleaver do i barely use charon

[tender anvil]

Nice time!

[timber pawn]

thank you! I got the hammer in erebus, and the heroic solar ring

and then the purple chaos came from keepsake in...fields? I think?

and the channel speed chaos was in oceanus. tldr; game finally had mercy on me

[tender anvil]

I’ve tried doing 40 with it, but +speed vow makes it a nightmare

[bleak night]

Hiya, was busy sorry. Did you still need those tips?

[zenith bolt]

i really wonder how one even gets barren curse from chaos
from what i've seen, it's a heroic from chaos so i was trying yarn of ariadne but im pretty sure that doesnt work

[timber pawn]

my setup was with full speed too, but ya its spooky

[spare kite]

I think someone got it after forsaking killed the other options?
But idk if forsaking actually kills the buffs, the curses or both

[zenith bolt]

even with forsaking like how even

[tall notch]

Have you tried the Than Zeus cast build?

[zenith bolt]

you would need to take chaos like 5 times

[sturdy trail]

No, how does it work?

[spare kite]

I would say use rerolls on charon wells but they don't restock which is kinda

[bleak night]

Damn, you cleared it fast as well

[tender anvil]

I normally take all enemy damage and zero healing stuff, but no speed, and then just avoid getting hit. Melee might need a different setup i guess.

[steep musk]

does hard target work on chronos

[tall notch]

Every lightning bolt gives +1% crit. What you wanna do is get that cast, the thing that makes your cast ranged and blast enemies with those. Can use attacks to finish unarmored enemies off or if you're feeling confident enough to do so

[warped harness]

id appreciate them yeah

[zenith bolt]

it's better lead than what i have going rn so i guess i'll give it a shot

just 10 rerolls + always taking wells ig

[sturdy trail]

Gosh yeah, for some reason I thought it was only Ω attack. So you build crit off lightning bolts, that makes a lot of sense.

[tall notch]

Yeah pretty much. And if your pact doesn't have 5 min timer you can play it really safe

[tender flint]

question for momus when you get a pom do I upgrade the special pos or slipper slope pos

[spare kite]

Slip poms are pretty bad no

[tender flint]

its % dmg vs flat dmg for special so i dont know

[warped harness]

slip poms are horrible its better to pom the poseiden dmg boon you have or pom the crashing wave

[bleak night]

The issue with Axe is mainly the fact that it's going to be disgustingly weak in Erebus at high heat, then scales better as you go. You'll kinda have to sacrifice your Arcana loadout's rerolls save Champion for raw damage and stats early on. Also, I try to just not whirlwind or do basic swings that leave me standing still whenever I'm starting out unless I luck into Hera attack or Demeter cast. All in all, you should go in knowing you'll have a terrible time at the start and become stronger as you go, even armored enemies later on get shredded by Hera or Aphro whirlwinds

[spare kite]

Bad as in the scaling for them is awful lol

[tender anvil]

On the topic of chaos, are the chaos related Prophecies even doable right now? Missing “Barren” sin and 4 virtues since forever.

[bleak night]

If you can help it, start doing Dash-Shield-Attacks to break through blue hearts and save yourself the trouble of being damaged

[spare kite]

Barren can be found, two of the blessings no afaik (prowess and finesse iirc)

[warped harness]

oh dash special and then attack? that makes sense with the higher rof too

[zenith bolt]

barren is real but the "how" is the hard part. i've been trying to get it for a while to no avail

[bleak night]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1238124170282532944/1240951606393176155/Dash_Shield_Attack.mp4?ex=6649167e&is=6647c4fe&hm=1017c11722217d244ef3d59c11b8593ee50559c2d634e0499cd23972cfa7ac10&

[timber pawn]

ya this run I gambled and started w/o mp regen and apollo keepsake, I got fed born gain almost immediately after lol

[zenith bolt]

two of the virtues are impossible to get (prowess and finesse), and two of them are annoying to get (chant, which is the infusion and requires 1 aether--take a Creation from chaos or get a duo. the other is defiance which is legendary)

[tall notch]

That's such a cool looking combo

[spare kite]

I wonder if they made the legendary work with rarity buffs this time

[bleak night]

At this point it's not even a combo anymore. It's a basic tool to not die in Erebus at 40+

[warped harness]

oh theres that much leniancy? i knew it existed with the attack and specialing imbetween but wow

[bleak night]

The weapon has a lot of intricacies that you have to pretty much practice, which makes it kinda less enticing because you have to practice just to still be kinda slow and suboptimal lol https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1238124170282532944/1240951608578408479/patch_axe_combo_dash.mp4?ex=6649167f&is=6647c4ff&hm=9c3cceefae580acebe1285b1d9287c0d79cf8522c3f3a577d087725f3f16e081&

[tender anvil]

Axe seems like the most technical weapon of them all, so many cool little techs

[bleak night]

It really is, it's just so bad vs blue hearts

[zenith bolt]

for axe spin theres dash -> cast + attack which does a dash attack and cast at the same time (you can hold attack to omega attack)

[tender anvil]

I have to learn to use it at +40 speed at all, before worrying about blue shields)

[warped harness]

what about boons?

you mentioned hera/aphro for the axe but is there anything decent for the special?

[bleak night]

For high fear? Go full confidence Aphro with Demeter support or go full send Hera-Dem

[timber pawn]

fwiw I used your tech sometimes on my other runs for the hecate witches, it did feel 'good'

[bleak night]

Let me get on my laptop so I can type better, sec

[timber pawn]

I took 100% damage, 40% speed, and zero healing apparently, I did not realize I just went all in lol. I think this honestly only worked out okay because I had my build up and running in erebus

[warped harness]

i do like having demeter boons but i guess i was maybe making a mistake taking it as my main attack and not just for my cast

[zenith bolt]

man oceanus on medea is just the worst

[spare kite]

One deep sea serpent reporting just for you

[tall notch]

If you want to play Demeter on your main damage button you'll need to look for percentage scaling elsewhere, such as Chaos or keepsakes

But it can work, and is also required for her winter harvest thing

[bleak night]

for the Special, it's up to your luck. If you keep getting Demeter or Hera, might as well put them on Special as well. For Hera, it's an extra Earth boon. For Demeter, it's a freeze button you can tap and instantly drop, but Cast is better. If you ever get Hephaestus as your 3rd god, you pretty much just win the run because you can scale into your Coarse Grit easier with 3 Earth Gods, and you might even get Martial Art out of it. In general, if I find Aphro, Apollo, Heph or Hestia as my 3rd god, I become pretty happy with the outcome (I win). Hestia is mostly so I can run sprint since I always run Frinos over Toula, so having sprint to get rid of projectiles and having Frinos eat the rest because the sprint is sometimes buggy means I only need to worry about melee enemies giving me issues

[warped harness]

i kinda have been, i take chaos more often when i do run demeter praying for the attack or channel boosts i think they give

[zenith bolt]

dionysus mentioned https://i.imgur.com/QMxN2Uh.png

[bleak night]

There was this one run where I forced Hestia as 4th god and got Sprint just so the build could come together because I was running Aphro Attack instead of Hera

I still haven't completely learned the 40% bonus speed Chronos matchup on melee axe builds, so I have to rely on Coarse Grit to save me from overcommitments, but in general I've been getting hit less lately

so I might not even need Coarse Grit anymore down the line, but I do think it's just really handy to have

[zenith bolt]

icarus my GOAT https://i.imgur.com/jbB0mMR.png

[bleak night]

Hera-Demeter-Hephaestus + Artemis and Hermes will have Earth boons, so you kinda just have to be really unlucky to not get that 6 earth

[bleak night]

Medea runs so fresh

@warped harness Ya still here

[timber pawn]

anyone have thoughts on medea at 32

should I just do mel aspect instead. I feel like I'm going to get demolished w/ medea

[warped harness]

ye i am sorry, was talking to a friend @bleak night

[bleak night]

do it with Medea for the memes

[tender anvil]

I did Mel for 32 - have to luck into +2 skull Hammer, and then it’s smooth sailing

[warped harness]

so for the arcana do you reccomend the boon rerolls or the room rerolls?

[timber pawn]

I was losing it grinding charon axe this morning idk if I'm cut out for meme 32s lol

[timber pawn]

that strikes me as most likely to be consistent/safer

[bleak night]

boon rerolls since you go for the gods you want, also try to turn off Vow of Forsaking or it'll be harder to stack Earth

[bleak night]

Ah, that makes sense yeah

[warped harness]

yeah i dont like vow of forsaking

[bleak night]

It's mostly why I turn it down to 0-24 for meme runs

[warped harness]

i wish erebus had less trash rewards for so many rooms though its so rough

[bleak night]

I don't have much recorded, but if you wanna see the general culmination of my builds I like to record Chronos fights

[warped harness]

do you run the vow of desparation at 5 minutes or 7?

[bleak night]

7, 5 on Axe is impossible

[warped harness]

i would like those vids if you dont mind

[zenith bolt]

i love my aphro + heph cope on medea https://i.imgur.com/yvkPu8F.png

[bleak night]

You can do 5 if you're lucky, but I can't really say I've been lucky enough to get 5 going even on 32

[warped harness]

i can barely get 5 minutes and thats at like 9 heat

[bleak night]

dm'd

[tall notch]

I remember trying to get 5 min with Than at 32 and even with heroic cast highroll it was tough

[warped harness]

ive been mostly practicing with lower fear but i tried at 16 fear with the axe for a nightmare reward, i got the reward but i got cooked at chronos cause my damage was so low

[bleak night]

o right that's also an option on Than

play Zeus Cast instead of Hera-Dem and just stack Cast boons and play around it

[lusty dawn]

how blitz work

when does it proc

[warped harness]

i usually turn on vow of desperation to 7 minutes and the enemy speed one to learn the enemy attacks and how to dodge them at 40% speed

[civic ocean]

Run at quarterback very fast

[bleak night]

it pops for damage after you do enough damage in general

[warped harness]

when you deal enough damage to hit the threshhold it activates

[bleak night]

if you're having trouble with em at Axe, it's just because the weapon's really slow unless you get practice with the combos that make you more agile

Pretend the shield exists for you to animation cancel

[tall notch]

I really want to bring that playsyle to 40 but I'm not convinced it can deal with all the pacts

[warped harness]

i at least know to dash imbetween attacks but i had no idea you could dash shield attack

[bleak night]

I can see it being really doable if you turn timer off and take your time

[lusty dawn]

If the limit was 100 and i hit 200, will it proc on the 200 or the next attack?

[bleak night]

44 it with no arcana lol

[civic ocean]

You cannot proc blitz on the hit that applies blitz

[zenith bolt]

lol https://i.imgur.com/AIVbRnA.png

[tall notch]

The build won't have single target without arcana though

[lusty dawn]

So does the attack that procs blitz applies it too?

[tired fulcrum]

Nope

[warped harness]

any damage will contribute to blitz, but only that attack with blitz will apply the status to begin with

[tired fulcrum]

You need to wait for the blitz to actually do the damage before it can be reapplied, it takes like a quarter second or maybe half idk

[cedar obsidian]

Is there any Reddit post about optimal terror 32 settings?

[bleak night]

ah, true

[plain fossil]

Im not really convinced anybody is optimal enough that u would want to use a reddit post guide except as a jumping off point for discussion. On reddit the upvote consensus would obviously just be click momus click hammers click poseidon and hera though all those things are in line to get rebalanced at some point

[bleak night]

I went on reddit and read that Axe is pretty much useless, so I don't really care for their opinions there anymore

[plain fossil]

Well axe is the hardest weapon to learn so reddit is always gonna hate it

[bleak night]

I think it's a tie between Axe and Medea, personally

Medea is less on mechanics and more on timing

[plain fossil]

Rule of thumb is any subreddit is where u go to learn how to be average; if ur new then reddit is a good resource but if ur not then its horrendous

[bleak night]

one mistake and you just eat a lot of damage since that thing has no shielding

[tall notch]

Are there Eos fans on reddit? Or do I need to make an account and convert them?

[plain fossil]

Personally im a lot worse with medea but i think thats just practice

[civic ocean]

I mean are we that much better hete

[red perch]

anyone got any builds for melinoe flames that isnt just aphrodite?

[plain fossil]

Im not saying we are, im just saying this is how reddit works for everything

[bleak night]

I'm sorry for that LOL

[civic ocean]

Hera or Apollo but the concept is the same

[plain fossil]

Obviously smaller communities with no upvote system can be better or worse depending on who shows up and who's loudest

[red perch]

im confusion, why are you sorry lol

[bleak night]

I'm the one spreading the pink aura

[red perch]

xD

[civic ocean]

We got Doonk the 32 momus win tho so maybe we're the better community

[plain fossil]

So my most recent mel torches run was non-omega special with the +50 damage hammer, it was actually pretty fun

[sturdy trail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1241903575068577952/1241903596770033784/image.png?ex=664be45a&is=664a92da&hm=05782da5f0248579f025732d97894a2947fc4fa1237596bfecdfd1ee71294609& Thank you! I was able to do it, it was a total cake walk!

[bleak night]

Fountain Finder Award

[tall notch]

Heroic cast, love to see it!

[red perch]

thats what i usually go, so i was just asking if its worth to go something else lol

[bleak night]

@tall notch

[sturdy trail]

I got a normal one, but used Narc's Keepsake, that thing is one of my favs

[civic ocean]

You can try AQ Scorch on it I guess?

[tall notch]

I don't play melinoë flames

[plain fossil]

Ive been doing a lot of mel torch surface runs recently, aph is good poseidon is good hera is also pretty good and demeter is surprisingly good because mel torches dont lack damage and need safety

[tall notch]

Eos all the way

[civic ocean]

Aph Apollo Hera seems ideal for Mel Torches

[plain fossil]

Its all kinda hammer dependent tho

[bleak night]

Oh, I see

[tall notch]

The attack is what I like about that weapon and Eos is really best suited for attack builds

[civic ocean]

I guess you could probably do Slow Cooker Spiteful Strength, too

[sturdy trail]

Why do only some weapons get a #24 testament?

[civic ocean]

So you will all suffer 24 torches

[sturdy trail]

I'm terrible with flames, how do you build Eos?

[plain fossil]

Personally with mel torches im just spending my whole run looking for ways to not die since u have damage alrdy

[timber pawn]

man 5 min timer is way to short for surface runs lol

[winged gazelle]

Is dagger build better with posident? Ive just been using apollo aphrodite

[civic ocean]

The way to not die is to kill them

[red perch]

true, gotta worry about dodging since the special doesnt hit stun

[civic ocean]

Stand in a corner and charge up 6 specials then run in a circle

[tall notch]

There are three starts I like that are all good for different reasons. Demeter if you wanna get her attack/cast for ultimate room safety, passion dash start if you wanna play really aggressive or Hera start if you want to enjoy infinite mana from born gain

[plain fossil]

Maybe i just stand in too much stuff but i find demeter to be legit on this as i said since u alrdy have damage and it works like a stun + applies curse obviously

[civic ocean]

I would imagine Demeter is probably pretty good yeah

I hope the next familiar gives us mana regen

Please Amir I beg

[graceful epoch]

Huge fan of the flames

Have yet to use eos tho

[zenith bolt]

secret fourth thing (poseidon start because fluid gain also works)

[tender flint]

quick question is the auto aim nerfeed in this game cause my biggest complaint about moros is i can literally be pointing at an enemy next to me and it aims for some one behind do yall use auto aim on it or nah

[hybrid vale]

Just did a flames run with Hera’s hitch on special, it’s fairly good

[graceful epoch]

Yeah same, big agree

[hybrid vale]

Really effecient at putting hitch on a bunch of foes, plus spreads the damage

Although it was a surface run so I didn’t get to test it on too many encounters with more boons to fit the playstyle

[tall notch]

I'll pick Pos up in room 3 if he shows up but I'm not sure if he's good enough to use keepsake. He's just outclassed by Hera in every single way for Eos

[zenith bolt]

true

[hybrid vale]

I struggle with flames but they’re better than I gave them credit for at first lol

[zenith bolt]

won run i think https://i.imgur.com/vdsTB3g.png

[tall notch]

Spiteful strength goes so hard if you get your curses elsewhere

[zenith bolt]

it still outdamages aphro with origination unless you have a really insane aphro i think

[civic ocean]

I feel like if you do Spiteful Strength you might as well not do Origination at all

[tiny pond]

hey sorry to interrupt but is ||persephone|| skull broken? the buildup for the ||glory|| feels really really small

[plain fossil]

Honestly the best reason to do this is god efficiency since you already want hera for born gain, the actual special + effect is ok but worse than poseidon for clear and damage i think

[civic ocean]

Like you can do it but I feel like at that point why not use the 3 grasp on smth else

[tall notch]

You'll still be scaling your non-attack damage up with origination. Idk I like having it

[zenith bolt]

i dont really build with duos in mind unless i get the requisites early
even so, i've had runs where i go the whole run before getting the duo in final charon

[civic ocean]

Do you gameplan for them with your rolls and the boon burner

[hybrid vale]

Fair. I’m not at the state where I’m really focused on min-maxing rn so I’m just taking whatever I get when I get it lol

[civic ocean]

I feel like Forsaking makes duos super easy

[zenith bolt]

im not sure what part of "i dont really build with duos in mind" wasn't clear enough

[civic ocean]

Idk I feel like I get them accidentally

[plain fossil]

Do y'all think theres more troll duos in this game than hades 1

[tall notch]

Forsaking seriously annoys me so much sometimes. I've burned rerolls because it showed two boons I really want in a single selection

[bleak night]

do a meme build with the Resurrect enemy Hex + Hera and Apollo duo

kill the adds and let them kill Chronos

[plain fossil]

Those little dudes hit so hard man

U get a punchy dude on cerberus and he just falls over in 10 seconds

[marsh drift]

What's the consensus on weakest god so far?

[bleak night]

Hestia

[tall notch]

Necromancer Melinoë

[plain fossil]

For underworld i agree hestia very narrow, i like hestia a lot for surface tho

[marsh drift]

Huh. Not Poseidon?

[zenith bolt]

poseidon is like pretty universally considered the strongest rn lmao

[civic ocean]

No bad gods

[plain fossil]

I think the consensus here is poseidon is S+ tier

[civic ocean]

Don't listen to Hesthaters

[plain fossil]

I dont think theres any gods that im actually like yikes brick im taking the centaur heart

[bleak night]

Poseidon and Hera are probably S tier

Hestia takes too much effort to get online, but I do like using her for runs sometimes

[marsh drift]

Not ironically I think Hestia is only good with Melinoe Ygnium. Scorch stacks go brrr with the Special

[hybrid vale]

I think Hestia’s real good, especially on sister blades attack, but generally just on weapons that have a lot of hits

[zenith bolt]

i feel like in those exact situations you would rather use poseidon

[bleak night]

did someone say Melinoë Ygnium

[zenith bolt]

crap im not bad enough at this game https://i.imgur.com/GZl0n1y.png

[bleak night]

can I post it again or am I overdoing it ?

[tall notch]

Pink aura

[plain fossil]

The problem with mel ygnium hestia is u have no safety and it doesnt kill quickly

[civic ocean]

Hestia needs to be built around, either with Air Fryer or Slow Cooker, but she's okay as a one off for the sprint, cast throw, and gain

[bleak night]

PINK AURA

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1240870334731653160/image.png?ex=664b6dce&is=664a1c4e&hm=589c7396d10139555920a24e9fda39239749d8050c3a73026d5f246817ae053e& play Pink Aura on Mel Flames, thank you

[plain fossil]

I like hestia cast buffs a lot

[zenith bolt]

imagine needing an infusion from another god to make your own gimmick viable, so sad

[marsh drift]

what the f%ck is this

holy

[bleak night]

Pinking

[bleak night]

#h2-victory-boasting message

[plain fossil]

Also i really dont enjoy the air fryer scorch setup because of the air element requirements, for me its a youtube build

[tall notch]

I very much feel like there's no weak god in this game

[hybrid vale]

How

[marsh drift]

but honestly why is Poseidon considered the best? Am I underestimating splash damage?

[civic ocean]

Idk I think it's cool that different gods work with different infusions in a cool way

Like nobody thinks Demeter is terrible because she can't get Coarse Grit or a way to kill things on her own

[hybrid vale]

I can’t tell if this is the most beautiful build or the most cursed build I’ve seen

[bleak night]

Apollo legendary + the hammer that adds +1 orb to Omega Specials + Hearthrobs is funni

[zenith bolt]

Like nobody thinks Demeter is terrible because she can't get Coarse Grit or a way to kill things on her own
i like how we're just ignoring the existence of weed killer here

[tall notch]

Most gods have some boons that feel terrible to use but they also all have something incredible you can do with them that makes me wanna play them

[zenith bolt]

and unlike hestia, demeter actually has useful curses on her own, shocking!

[hybrid vale]

Yeah, even the worse boons can fit well into builds depending on what it is

[tender flint]

hermes midnight oil increase strike and move speed when hex is ready what is strike is that special is that only attack would it work on momus?

[tiny pond]

heffy attack on skull feels really strange to use, for example

[plain fossil]

Well it depends what u mean by weak right, theres definitely gods where for most builds im rolling my eyes then rolling over it

[lapis jacinth]

just had a Judgement run with The Unseen, Oath of Panic, and the Persephone Skull, and the first boons were Spirit Surge and Ionic Gain. Incredible fun spending all my mana repeatedly. If I'd chosen the health regain hex instead of the laser beam I would have cheesed everything

[plain fossil]

Like hestia in underground runs isnt bad exactly since when its good its good but most of the time i want something more impactful

[tall notch]

Heph's core boons suck but his support stuff is incredible for higher fears

[tender flint]

anyone know?

[tiny pond]

absolutely agree. just destroyed chronos by chaining heffy sprint and heffy attacks. got lucky and had 3 second recharge on heffy attack

[tall notch]

I like Heph purely for his armor gain and mint condition

[hybrid vale]

I like heph because big number go boom

[tiny pond]

his booms are weird tho its hard to tell how they're gonna explode and chain, if at all

[tender anvil]

Do we know the damage mitigation formula? Are different sources additive, or multiplicative? What about dodge?

[hybrid vale]

I think his visual effects are still being worked on

[tiny pond]

that makes sense

[zenith bolt]

wow very clean torch run https://i.imgur.com/im0G34D.png

[hybrid vale]

Bc they really do need to indicate the range better

[zenith bolt]

trusty shield and mint condition are both really goated

[jovial cove]

most gods that aren't "good" in a straightforward manner at least have something you can hopium yourself into believing you'll get to make the run pop off

[forest veldt]

think dodge is additive like most things but not sure, not sure what other sources u mean

[jovial cove]

stuff like Hephestus vent, Hestia Scorch explosion, etc.

[zenith bolt]

what do i even spend these on https://i.imgur.com/FOjuhcB.png

[tender anvil]

Gonna test it, because it seems 100% os achievable then

[forest veldt]

dont think it is from what i've tested, even w/ echo 50. thats why think additive

[quaint dawn]

are you getting those faster than you can order stuff from the mailbox?

[zenith bolt]

no, i just dont need any of the things that charon is selling lol

i dont need moon dust and therefore i dont need any of the other stuff

[tender anvil]

Strength Arcana (50%)
Base Weak (10%)
Broken Resolve (10%)
Island Getaway (15%)
Fixed Gain (10%)

[inland pumice]

So it turns out, the way to win with the torches for me is to get a freeze boon. Not having to dodge enemies while trying to hit them with specials, which don't hitstun them, is too much. But freezing everything worked out great for me haha

[forest veldt]

ah ic what u mean. i guess u can get different forms but wont ever get 100% dodge or 100% dmg reduction etc. also the less dmg taken does have min of 1

[inland pumice]

So what's the deal with momus aspect? I keep seeing everyone saying it's great but it looks like it's just because you can heal with it? Haven't used it yet

[tired fulcrum]

The special damage

[inland pumice]

I mean a form of healing sounds great but I was just wondering if there's anything else

[tired fulcrum]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/U5HS7aK0ekTcbXHgd8EBK7NeW02dnoI4C4ieg8VvwRU/https/i.imgur.com/XYZaquC.mp4

I dont think ive ever used momus omega special

[inland pumice]

ah, so basically it just makes spam special builds that much more powerful

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah

[inland pumice]

because of the base special damage increase

[tired fulcrum]

Also for some reason staff has op special hammers

[inland pumice]

I assume you go double moonshot, and the one that gives you +power to your special?

gonna try the momus aspect now and see how it goes

[tired fulcrum]

Double moonshot and shimmering for the bounces

[tough vapor]

petition that wwe should all call aphrodite axe builds Axphrodite

[lunar lance]

What weapon do you think is a good fit for Hephaestus's Attack/Special modifiers?

I find it hard to evaluate the worth of the explosions vs an attack modifier

[zenith bolt]

none of them i guess it's ok on like staff or something where you can just poke with your main attack once in a while

[lunar lance]

Also wondering how low you can get the recharge time

[tired fulcrum]

Like heph atk/special are boons you slap on something you dont use a lot

[tall notch]

I only used it after popping a death defiance on a boss

Because you don't need to be in combat for the heal

[tired fulcrum]

2 seconds but it takes a lot of poms especially on the special

[inland pumice]

the lowest I've gotten the cooldown for hephaestus blast was like 4 seconds

[lunar lance]

Tricky, since attacks I don't use a lot (the axe special, say) are also hard for me to hit with when I really need to use it

[inland pumice]

that was at +8 or something like that

[civic ocean]

Its really good on art blades

Special deals 400 now? Sick

[inland pumice]

but the main issue is there's not a lot of ways to increase the blast damage, so even if you get the cooldown low you're still relying on a low damage source

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah makes sense on arty special

[lunar lance]

Axe special is trickiy for me to use right; I either start charging right before something I want to block, or I want to use the slam and get hit in trade

[timber pawn]

@tall notch I rebound cast to Ltrigger for Eos and oh my lord its so much better

[spare kite]

@quick sun #h2-feedback message
express route means going only through the numbered doors (5 to 1)
taking any of the extra doors (miniboss/triple poms/coins/etc) causes a detour, Mel also will mention that the longer you stay in tartarus (aka more detours) the more enemies will spawn

[tall notch]

I do right trigger cast, left trigger is my dash

[timber pawn]

I just finished my 32 surface with demeter eos, I think I had a basically perfect Eris fight, the rebind helped a lot

[tall notch]

Being able to cast during channel really feels incredible. The whole torches movement is just smooth

[tired fulcrum]

Except when you have lightning lance then it stops your channel

[timber pawn]

wait I had omega cast damage on instead of origination in a run where I had freeze and scorch LOL

whoopsie daisy

[tall notch]

That's why I avoid lance on torches

If my cast applies curses doing that without interrupting channel is more dps than the lance anyway

[timber pawn]

aspect of mel skull...I'm thinking like apollo/hera attack, dem special?...idk

[tall notch]

Aphro shotgun is hilariously fun but I doubt it's viable

[timber pawn]

ya thats more speeds less high heat I imagine

maybe Ill take a look at that leaderboard thing

[fringe salmon]

really struggling on eos torches, whats a good god to focus for this aspect

[fathom coral]

is it just me or is advancing whirlwind just not good?

[jolly bramble]

its terrible

its the worst axe hammer and only really viable with psychich whirlwind and even then why are you banking on 2 different hammer upgrades to make something work

[fathom coral]

i just tried it out for the first time and you can't dodge or do anything during it so whats the point

[brittle prairie]

Is advancing whirlwind the one that turns omega attack into a projectile?

feels really pointless lol

atleast without psychic

[spare kite]

@fringe salmon #h2-feedback message fine tuning and the duo both can go past the lvl 5/3* respectively (so your progress doesn't kill them at least)

[strange kite]

psychic really should be an aspect instead of a hammer

[jolly bramble]

even as an aspect its gonna be terrible lmao

[tiny pond]

whirlwind is really bad and it completely breaks ||thanatos|| aspect

breaks in a bad way

[strange kite]

how is psychic axe terrible if u could get it 100% of the time?

it’s so good. u can dodge during it and chain spins so even if u lose the crit dps u get way better spin uptime

[jolly bramble]

how are you dodging when youre animation locked

[ionic lily]

That's why psychic whirlwind is great, it lets you dodge during the spin

[spare kite]

I think cult is thinking of advancing whirldwind?

[strange kite]

psychic axe lets u act normally during the spin

[jolly bramble]

oh, i mixed them up

[rustic stump]

its buggy tho

with the thanatos aspect

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1241928479520325673/image.png?ex=664bfb87&is=664aaa07&hm=8952e4e7cb48e80bbf43cbd02139fc5f62ba23bd2e75d9420f9fe276586c39b5& ahaha

2nd gate

[jolly bramble]

barren favor or bust

[fathom marsh]

Did you do anything special to get Barren to appear?

[spare kite]

nope

[fathom marsh]

I've been struggling to get that one for the prophecy

[jolly bramble]

friend of mine got this https://imgur.com/a/gLhO1ZN

9 encounters

[spare kite]

beautiful

[fathom marsh]

lol

[inland pumice]

charybdis feels pretty strong to be a miniboss... is he intended to be a biome boss maybe?

[fathom marsh]

It def feels harder than most minibosses but i guess technically it is a miniboss?

[spare kite]

it feels like encountering asterius on a weak build tbh

[warped harness]

ive never died on a charybdis encounter but hes tough

[tiny pond]

the fleet feels really hard and its hard to tell what counts as an encounter or not

charybdis is really annoying too

[spare kite]

each time you spin the wheel is an encounter

but location is whenever you go through the door

[timber pawn]

hey sorry I dont think anyone helped out with this, Eos works well with Hera (born gain and fairly strong attack), Demeter (freeze for safety and other mitigation boons from her), Aphro (most damage but you have to play in melee range to get full damage)

[inland pumice]

I don't think charybdis is too hard, but he's just tiers above the other "minibosses" in the game, like the darkness monster or the rat or the worm guy from downstairs

mmm maybe not the rat I guess, now that I think about it

[spare kite]

yeah tony is starving in this game lol

[jolly bramble]

charybdis is fine imo. uh oh is only annoying because screen gets to many stuff happening and you cant quickly see where he is

[hybrid vale]

Generally things get “easier” after you start to run into them more and learn all their stuff
He’s one of my “easier” mini bosses personally, probably cuz a lot of my builds do lots of AoE

[jolly bramble]

once you get used to the dodge timing when wacking charybdis tentacles, youre almost never taking damage

[ionic lily]

oh wow it exists!

[spare kite]

out of curiosity, has anyone gotten barren w/o having another boon from chaos already active

I wonder if their codex page is bugged
some boons do show (none in particular), the infusion lists that it needs at least one purple element
but stuff like barren/defiance/etc just show the paper in blank
so what I mean is, maybe barren needs you to have 1 buff to even be available to be chosen?

[glossy rivet]

Did they nerf king vermin in h2

[spare kite]

has less way health it feels (is a 2nd biome mini now)

[glossy rivet]

Also no poison puddle/satyr backup

What if extreme measures chronos has the poison spitter dudes as bodyguards instead of the spin dudes

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1241932307254874162/image.png?ex=664bff18&is=664aad98&hm=66c138f7a8cacd0a102b830225c5c16ff81edd2f67d74e17c85832cbe69e8636&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1241932475404517486/image.png?ex=664bff40&is=664aadc0&hm=c05a1d117ef54244639323c24beaced16d3c37be7258b0e9fe3758b6bbe6b04c& what I mean

[glossy rivet]

Are favor boons no longer good now bc arrogance vow and such

Feels like they're not as hot deals now

[inland pumice]

Okay I'm just now realizing that aspect of persephone has a tiny little circle next to the skulls. Is that the meter for the omega special? Because I'm hitting Skelly with it right now and it is charging SLOW

[spare kite]

yeah

[glossy rivet]

Yeh its glory

[spare kite]

you kinda need a whole biome to full charge it, even with like zeus cast

[glossy rivet]

You can still do omega special though filling the meter just extends the charge

[inland pumice]

ohhhh gotcha. I was wondering why the skull felt the same as base skull

[glossy rivet]

At least the omega damage increase always applies

[spare kite]

but yeah the main attraction of persephone is the +30% to omegas

[inland pumice]

does it do anything special if it's fully charged up?

[glossy rivet]

Your omega charge is longer

[spare kite]

you can use the meter (doesn't need to be full) to control the omega special for up to +5 seconds

[plain fossil]

My personal tierlist of miniboss expected damage taken is something like goldbag > charybdis > sea serpent > im angry if anything else ever hits me

[hoary cypress]

has anyone done a judgement card run yet? so fun, you end up with more cards than you could normally hold

[glossy rivet]

I feel like deep serpent would hit me less if i wasnt so greedy to hit him

[spare kite]

judgement is fun yeah

[plain fossil]

Judgement is fun but it doesnt line up with the current power curve of the game imo

[glossy rivet]

Him coiling his neck is a pretty telegraphed move for melee

You can also stand slightly ahead of his cluster spit and never get hit from the pattern

[plain fossil]

If erebus was easier and tartarus harder then judgement would be a lot better

[peak wasp]

I'm always hit by the bullets splitting shot

[glossy rivet]

You can also stand next to frinos hehe
Though i mostly run toula now for fishing

[civic ocean]

I get hit by rootstalker a lot on 40% trying to do it fast

[fiery prawn]

what is the best way to play axe weapon

[hoary cypress]

i feel that, lost multiple death defiances on erebus on a judgement run not too long ago with relatively low fear boosts on just health and speed and i'm like wtf how did i start sucking lol

[plain fossil]

Oh sure i sometimes take a couple ticks from rootstalker but its a bit zdps

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1241934105923420180/image.png?ex=664c00c4&is=664aaf44&hm=fe5c69144eb280a5388eb9f81548f2274504371b6e7bee5e4375ed6e391b65b0& I love double up

[rustic stump]

so I learned hes actually easy if you just bum rush his damage phases and just go across the map when he does the explody stuff

[spare kite]

got all of this from one fields room lmao

[plain fossil]

Any source of slower projectiles totally trolls the projectile phase on charybdis btw

[glossy rivet]

Obligatory
HAHA, YES

[rustic stump]

yea that too but thats to specific since thats hermes or demeter

[plain fossil]

Na u get it off the witch

[hoary cypress]

seeing moon water as an option is an instant high

[plain fossil]

Actually im less sure if surface witch is worth it

[hoary cypress]

or hestias sprint

[plain fossil]

The projectile speed debuff is good but a lot of the others seems kinda troll

[glossy rivet]

Is that pic yesterday of eris dropping a hammer a result of double up? Lmaoo

[plain fossil]

Like the 1 to 999 damage i swear the damage distribution is like always does 1 to 100

[hoary cypress]

hestias sprint is actually like an instant win after polypheus for any surface run honestly lol

[glossy rivet]

Taking the hestiapill

And air quality

[rustic stump]

zues and hestia are my least fav tbg

[hoary cypress]

dont like hestias damage options at all really

[glossy rivet]

Air quality scorch gna make your damage shoot up thru the roof

[rustic stump]

yea really inefficent tbh

since double boon i have seen is good

[hoary cypress]

and i hated zeus at first but pairing blitz with spin to win from axe is pretty lethal

[plain fossil]

Ngl i am not a blitz enjoyer, im usually only happy to click zeus if im intending to invest into cast

[rustic stump]

I prefer just raw damage

[hoary cypress]

but a lot of zeus stuff isn't that useful too me

[glossy rivet]

Bring back jolted

[rustic stump]

real

[hoary cypress]

or using blitz with the hammer that doubles the axes omega special

pretty nice instant damage

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1241936490662203504/image.png?ex=664c02fd&is=664ab17d&hm=b0f50e87b5c416b0e9765152c904f3f2c03f3cfb821fba0f01cd433b182fc643& double let's go

[tired fulcrum]

Actually does ordinary stop you from getting duos/legendaries

[glossy rivet]

Do u guys plan entire runs ahead when u get chant

Like duo hoarding damn and the god soft cap is only 3

[spare kite]

you pray for chaos's creation

[glossy rivet]

Is it for coarse gritterino

[civic ocean]

Currently at 32 Fear my plan on Flames is to get 1 duo 1 leg, and for axe it's to get 2 duos

[glossy rivet]

Dang

[inland pumice]

The cyclops jumping in the air hitting me is so annoying. If you're going to make a move like that, why not make him charge you instead? At least it would be less visually confusing what the hitbox is

[glossy rivet]

[inland pumice]

I might make a feedback post about that, it's so frustrating taking damage from that

[spare kite]

I don't think planning around Chant is worth it anyways
I got it in tartarus

[glossy rivet]

Society if hades 2 have 4 god pool

[civic ocean]

It is better for 3 I think

[tired fulcrum]

3 is definitely better

[civic ocean]

3 and Arrogance make build planning actually pretty easy I feel

Which I think makes sense because the Legendaries and Duos feel weaker to me

[fathom marsh]

I just got barren soul to fulfill the prophecy

[tired fulcrum]

Next add dark foresight

[plain fossil]

Idk how to play the game with 4 gods ngl i always end up with random build holes

[fathom marsh]

11 encounters for 120 health

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah like most of the legs and duos just do like nothing

[civic ocean]

Rework artificer to re-roll the doors instead of the drops

[glossy rivet]

Bro what is fine tuning or the keepsake duo

[spare kite]

they still work at max rank

[plain fossil]

Do yall think the keepsake duo needs a buff or is there something i didnt see

[civic ocean]

the what now

[tired fulcrum]

Its like the least noticeable thing imaginable

[glossy rivet]

Need rank 4 keepsakes but just for the keepsake duo

[spare kite]

but 1 more lvl on either is still just

the duo makes them rank 4 (and tuning makes lvl 6 stuff)
I've gotten luckier tooth healing 126

[civic ocean]

Fine tuning is the aspect one right

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah

[glossy rivet]

Does fine tuning give temporary rank 6??

[civic ocean]

that one seems good? yes it give rank 6

[tired fulcrum]

Yep but good luck noticing it

I mean like compare it to apollo or poseidon legendary

[spare kite]

ig pan would benefit the most from an extra lvl?

still

[civic ocean]

I feel like it's a pretty huge DPS increase on Pan/Momus for isntance

[glossy rivet]

Pan winning

[tired fulcrum]

Idk about huge

How many daggers does pan shoot

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1241938890722377738/image.png?ex=664c0539&is=664ab3b9&hm=0252a2672b712f4af9519280f191578f39e17e4d004683193528431a95d7a25c& carried by ichor when it came to dodge the insta kills (too greedy to drop the attack lmao)

[glossy rivet]

Are god pools decided from the moment the run starts?

[spare kite]

the moment you take their boon

[glossy rivet]

Like i tried rerolling a door 9 times to get a god and it's the same three gods and i only have 1 god in the pool at that point

[spare kite]

that's a thing with rerolls in specific

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah if you reroll spam a door itll cycle through like 3-4 rewards or something

[tired orbit]

Is there a grasp tier list? I like my duo boon grasp

[glossy rivet]

Damn

[zenith bolt]

i dont think there's necessarily a tier list, i mean i made something earlier today but its mostly my preferences

[plain fossil]

Yea theres a wide opinion set atm

[timber pawn]

A fair amount of them are weapon dependent

Imo it means they did a good job because you want to tweak things depending on wep and aspect

[plain fossil]

I noticed some ppl rly love dodge aspect and some ppl are like yo this does nothing

[zenith bolt]

i always take: the wayward son, the titan, eternity, the lovers
i take if i can: the sorceress^, the huntress, the messenger, the furies, the swift runner^, the centaur, the champions
i take sometimes: the fates, the boatman, the seer, origination, the artificer, divinity, the queen
i never take: the unseen, death*, night, the moon, strength, judgment

*unless for divinity
^switches with the other depending on what i'm playing
https://i.imgur.com/AblVGNN.png

i should change the 6 rerolls build to "good overall" given it has excellence and divinity

[timber pawn]

For high heat I specifically make sure not to activate the rarity cards

[tired orbit]

Why so?

[zenith bolt]

vow of arrogance probably

[tired orbit]

And I'm guessing dodge is multiplicative, not additive?

[zenith bolt]

(prime 5/10 magick for each of your boons' rarities above common)

[zenith bolt]

no idea, i assume dodge is additive though

theres not that many sources of dodge in the game anyway

mainly just the messenger, greater evasion, and evade evade evade

ig wispy wiles is kinda real

[brittle prairie]

Almost any of them can be justified in loadouts some are just a bit more must have than others

[zenith bolt]

aphro is weird bc half her stuff is water and the other half is air

[tired orbit]

The must haves being defiance and +HP

[zenith bolt]

the lovers is so good as to be basically mandatory

[brittle prairie]

Thats not exactly the agreed up9n must have

[zenith bolt]

unless you're like, insanely cracked at the game i guess

[brittle prairie]

Omega Slowdown and Dash/Sprint biost are definitely higher priority

[zenith bolt]

i honestly only take sorceress for axe and sometimes blades

staff/skull i dont use omegas and eos torches dont actually get the benefit of sorceress lol

[brittle prairie]

And Some builds dont want max hp boost to abuse whote Antler at all times

[civic ocean]

so wild that artificer costs 3x as much as lovers lmao

or as much as eternity and lovers combined

[zenith bolt]

lol yeah, lovers being 2 is wild

like it's 3/5 of an entire hades 1 keepsake

but honestly beyond a couple cases i think arcana is pretty balanced

theres enough to get most of what you want without having a true one size fits all

[raven ivy]

i've been taking the boatman every run since like my third run and i'm gonna be hit so hard when i finally have to remove it

[civic ocean]

I think Boatman is core

[brittle prairie]

Yeah tbh I only think some of them get bad per say due to fear mechanics making certain more commital options less favorable such as passive Hex recharge

[zenith bolt]

(namely, judgment being kinda trashy for how much you have to sink in for it, and a couple other underwhelming ones like the moon)

[raven ivy]

you just get to buy at every store because of it, I don't think I've passed up a god boon at charon's end-shops once
it's great

[tired orbit]

<---- Price Inflation fear enjoyer

[hexed shale]

What do y'all find the nicest aspect and core boons combo for each weapon for the first clear? Excluding the sister blades, I already got both chronos and eris with that.
I also have low investment/resource since I've been playing this for like 5 days total.

[zenith bolt]

momus pan eos thanatos medea is my lineup

[hexed shale]

🫡

[zenith bolt]

pretty generic but a lot of the other aspects are just either not good or not my style

[frank creek]

Chronos is really a pain

[brittle prairie]

Its pretty hard not to say any boon except Zues, Heph, and Hestia can work as the attack/special modifiers for anyvweapon even if some (poseidon) are better than others

[frank creek]

I can not get reliable pass his first phase. I always gets to him without using death reliance.

[civic ocean]

necessarymost importantly you get to buy at your first store even if you take Destitution II

[frank creek]

How do i avoid that attacl where he counts down the time?

[raven ivy]

yeah it's gonna be a lifesaver for high cost

[zenith bolt]

heph is usable if you like entirely build around it (RIP), hestia has gimmicks that work (namely air quality), zeus special is solid on medea

[raven ivy]

||The insta-kill? There is a safe spot on one of the clock numbers, you have to be standing there||
||Careful not to wind-up an attack that'll move you, like the axe, too early, you might accidentally step off (range is okay if you have the option)||

[hexed shale]

oh yeah I feel that. like I'm not sure if it's jsut me not building right or it's hard to hit him in second phase when I don't have much range option

[frank creek]

on the first phase?

[zenith bolt]

honestly my main priority in phase 2 after 50% hp is just kill the adds (unless i have giga damage then i just kill him lol)

[spare kite]

if you mean a voice line of 10 seconds, that's moros's keepsake (it plays when you use a revive)

[zenith bolt]

i still havent actually had moros keepsake activate, even in the trial lol

[hexed shale]

Does he keep summoning btw? I'm not sure if he does or my fights with him don't last long enough for resummon to happen.

[zenith bolt]

its a shame i didnt record that trial when i did it, it was clean af

[raven ivy]

Sorry I misinterpereted your question Judit, I think SomeNoobDying is correct

[zenith bolt]

meanwhile my trial of haste recording has me taking timer damage for like 30s in cerb :/

[untold pumice]

how many boons can you stack on Q? i got 4 in my last run and am now wondering if 5 is possible somehow

[bleak night]

Q ?

[zenith bolt]

oh cast?

[raven ivy]

ohhhh cast!

[zenith bolt]

(Q = default button for cast on pc)

[bleak night]

oh, I see

[raven ivy]

i don't think there's a limit

[untold pumice]

forgive me i'm a keyboard player

[bleak night]

nah, my setup is kinda disgusting dw about it

[zenith bolt]

hmm theoretically you have 1 "ring" boon and then apollo has 1, demeter has 1, i think zeus/hestia dont stack but that's 1, what else

[meager bramble]

Any build recs for finally killing Chronos the first time?

[civic ocean]

joycon + mouse right

[raven ivy]

as long as you have the gods in your pool somehow you could technically get a ton of secondary casts, right? Assumedly if you wanted to max it out you'd go with apollo or zeus for their duo

[bleak night]

Left Joycon + Mouse, yes

[meager bramble]

I don't have a ton of aspects available yet, my faves are Artemis and Thanatos so far

[raven ivy]

Left joycon and mouse...... god, i mean..... i guess but........

[untold pumice]

mine were Zeus aim, Artemis Arrow, Poseidon explosion and Apolo's bigger circle

[bleak night]

You can try the safe Thanatos build and spam Omega Cast Zeus from a safe distance since it increases your crit all the same

[zenith bolt]

i mean i get it though, it makes sense

[meager bramble]

General Chronos tips would be good too, I just lose soooooo much HP and DDs in phase 1

[brittle prairie]

Thats awesome

[zenith bolt]

most of his attacks can be avoided by staying close and dashing behind him

[raven ivy]

Like it makes total sense, best movement and best aiming, but it feels so alien to my unenlightened brain

[meager bramble]

Phase 2 genuinely seems much easier, if I had any health left by then

[bleak night]

I played like trash my first 6-7 runs with it dw

[zenith bolt]

phase 2 is easier tbh

[meager bramble]

This is good to remember!

[untold aurora]

what's the best starter weapon?

[tired fulcrum]

His wide swing isnt actually that wide

[raven ivy]

Would you say you're better off making the switch?

[plain fossil]

Dont wait for audio cues on chronos btw u dash when u see him move his arms

[bleak night]

There's no real best, tbh. You can honestly just pick one that you enjoy and build your skill on it from there

[brittle prairie]

Staff is pretty easy to use

[untold aurora]

ight thanks

[zenith bolt]

it's more like a cone in front of him i think, so it's really wide if you're further but can whiff if you're close

[raven ivy]

Try out Poseidon, he's very easy to work with

[bleak night]

I enjoy playing like this, yes, but I do have to charge the joycon now and then so I end up having to just return to full ProController sometimes

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1241945295630237766/image.png?ex=664c0b30&is=664ab9b0&hm=8e3517dcf294690b0e5aae8287d97f455c05c2b2925613a6532365b7e922e58c& lmao
I tried to rarify born gain, realized it didn't work and just saw that I didn't swap off the keepsake (still got hera anyways)

[bleak night]

but Joycons take, what, 20 minutes to fully charge and use for 5 hours ?

[meager bramble]

After doing that Chaos trial, I really want to get his legendary on an actual run!

[untold pumice]

pick odi's keepsake + hades 20% boon and run him down so you can start phase 2 sooner !!!!
i'm joking but that was how i first won against him