h2-builds-and-combat

[timber pawn]

Really depends on what weapon aspect and what your general vow setup is I think

[distant ocean]

if you want ot beat the challenges the gamep resents you with, yes, if not no

i wouldn't use anything other than beneficial vows if I didn't care about that lol

[dawn cape]

I like how versatile thanatos axe is

Sure, it can go for spinny vortex meme, but I still had success going slam build when I got a different hammer

[distant ocean]

and no hate towards people that do that either, it's totally cool in my book, that's how any fear runs go

even if you're not speedrunning it's fine too, no one has to play like that XD

[civic ocean]

depends, I don't run it much but I really enjoy playing for duo and legendary and infusion boons

[dawn cape]

And it's a decent cast aspect too because the crit bonus applies to cast too and the omega cast procs that bonus

[civic ocean]

have you tried it with zeus cast yet

[dawn cape]

Gonna do that right now

[brisk geyser]

i get what you mean but my point is just that it seems rough relative to the other options for runs around 32 and lower, nothing deep

[raven folio]

okok what about pheonix skin being too strong

[civic ocean]

if you're not taking or dealing damage you're not really doing anything

[raven folio]

if Im not mistaken, cast damage doesnt always count as dealing damage

[tall notch]

What was phoenix skin again?

[civic ocean]

Hestia Apollo iirc

[brisk geyser]

a gradual heal if you dont take or deal dam for 3 seconds

[civic ocean]

cuts ur hp but gives you regen if you're not dealing dmg or taking dmg

[dawn cape]

I was seeing crits on zeus bolts in an earlier run though

[raven folio]

ill put a screen of my first win in victory boasting with the boon

[civic ocean]

it crits but it also increments the crit

[brisk geyser]

skin is great for zone progression ig but its more of a safety net than a run winner

i never went for it before choosing to tick off all duo boons

[tall notch]

I've not seen that one ingame lol

[zenith bolt]

it has a harder requirement than most duos

https://i.imgur.com/uODR9Ky.png

[astral ginkgo]

I just made it to chronos with a skull build that went hard on maximizing charge special damage + apollo cast, but I didn't quite have the DPS to bring him down before I took too many hits

are there any really OP builds with the skulls?

[raven folio]

I took 330 damage from chronos and only lost one of my lives. had 100 max hp

idk if this was a bug or intended but Im pretty sure I regenerated health while chronos took my cast scorch damage

[brisk geyser]

thats hype and a cool moment but think about the time you spent doing nothing, it doesnt provide anything that safer play doesnt

[forest veldt]

medea w/ zeus special and aphro attack is only one i've heard good thing about

[brisk geyser]

medea would also help with learning the fight since it gives you more of a reason to stick to his butt

[patent loom]

I found that Aphrodite's special attack combined with Poseidon's attack bonus on start of rounds and Hephaestus' boon that makes you immune to damage at the start of the round are really good with the skull.

[mystic bison]

Why Zeus on special ?

[patent loom]

Also hammer upgrades

[forest veldt]

free blitz dmg

[timber pawn]

Blitz delivery which you proc immediately with aphro attack ye

[raven folio]

surprisingly it was pretty fast, maybe I was really lucky with my boons tho

I spent more time clearing as much of the last region possible cause I was unkillable

[mystic bison]

Idk I'm not a Medea player but I figured a % dmg boon would be better on special

But since Medea is attack centric it's a different story

[north hedge]

hi everyone, I'm new here and I have a question
where can I find the list of all boons?

[brisk geyser]

it reminds me of that one sword boon from hades 1 that reduced max health but healed on attack, super fun but theres an oppurtunity cost

[timber pawn]

You're just using regular special a lot on medea to deliver the attacks, so the base isn't as high

[quiet laurel]

i think you have to gift all of the gods once and then you unlock the incantation

[mystic bison]

Ah interesting

[north hedge]

I mean like not in game cz I just got into the game

[glossy rivet]

is pan aspect still best dagger for high fear

[trail wharf]

So it might be very build dependent but curious what people think are the strongest/most needed arcana (outside of DDs)

[forest veldt]

yup, dont think others rly compete. know some ppl like the riposte one tho

[mental sluice]

Having a ton of rerolls.

[forest veldt]

rerolls are pretty universal. sprint as well. cast dmg can also be nice

[brisk geyser]

i pref artemis but because its simpler and less finnicky

im sure pan blows the dps ceiling away

[glossy rivet]

whats a good fear setup for 24?

pan build is mostly just abusing poseidon on special right? but what other gods or boons should i look for
i think hestia for scorch + steam + origination is good?

[tawdry heath]

so gods' artifacts make their boons "more likely"

but after you rarify them they say that they've been expended

[timber pawn]

that definitely works, aphro can work too for weak

[distant ocean]

hera, aphro, or apollo are also good builds

[forest veldt]

poseidon special and hera gain makes it pretty comfy. any other curse w/ slip is fine. not sure about easiest fear setup

[tawdry heath]

so after you use an artifact to rarify a god's boon does that expend the "more likely" part of the trinket

[brisk geyser]

after the boon has shown up, iirc its a one time thing

[distant ocean]

apollo leg carries any omega build not abusing pos

[spare kite]

the one time I get a persephone run going the game crashes lmao

but also first crash in.... 63 hrs

[forest veldt]

why not pos? does it not apply flat on recast?

[glossy rivet]

bro shouls i use pos special then get apollo legendary

[distant ocean]

just cuz apollo leg is kinda harder to get going than pos, there's no real point in pan for instance

[mystic bison]

This game way more stable than Hades 1 for me, only crashed once and not during a run thankfully

[distant ocean]

even if* it's the best weapon to get echo omega

[iron flame]

is there a max grasp

[forest veldt]

ah tru. like idea of legendary but haven't found good use. would be great if pushed dps to be able to phase bosses

[spare kite]

30

[distant ocean]

yeah, if it were required to melt chronos it would be taken

[iron flame]

ah sweet im like 4 away

[glossy rivet]

does slow time on sorceress arcana slow down charge time? or is it free slowdown?

[distant ocean]

probably in addition to poseidon

[iron flame]

time to use the frog a lot more lol

[mystic bison]

Charge time is the same

[distant ocean]

but people barely want to give up antler in erebus let alone erebus AND oceanus

[brisk geyser]

just a heads up, 29-30 grasp needs like 1000 green stuff

[spare kite]

just keep in mind the last one needs 1k psyche alone (+ a bunch of stuff)

[distant ocean]

antler is basically apollo leg for everything :^)

[iron flame]

frog needs to work overtime

[glossy rivet]

also so i should try the forsaking boon to increase my chances of getting king tide?

[forest veldt]

tru, think can be fine to take god for erebus but everything after is just antler

[forest veldt]

just take the vow that removes 2 boons that weren't chosen. forsaking ya

[iron flame]

oh the oath thing what does the number/30 testaments mean?

[glossy rivet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/643633434228686874/1241581791987634206/image.png?ex=664ab8a6&is=66496726&hm=a6ffd5af27f915e18748b6eed4fbf8a56c7be70128b9f0f1904fb44220c63f68&

?

[forest veldt]

pretty sure its just how many u have completed, think ppl said that max is 28 rn

[iron flame]

ah okay

[glossy rivet]

dagger bounties are fixed so you can go 30/30 now

[forest veldt]

id go more into fury, that looks a bit rough

[glossy rivet]

bro faster enemies can add up

i can turn down enemy damage to 0 for +1 faster enemy i guess

[forest veldt]

up to u, know ppl rec getting used to early. its not too bad after u get used to it

[steel sequoia]

i just had the worst run of my life im badly surprised it couldnt happen any worse, i digged ALL MY ROLLS TO FIND A REGEN AND COULDNT and got rewarded with this in the same run the flourish before chronos https://postimg.cc/hX1dBQvZ + https://postimg.cc/TK6DFJdW

[glossy rivet]

spiral knife is good right for pan?

or is boundless flurry better? (cheaper and faster omega special)

[forest veldt]

its pretty good. best is boundless iirc

[fair geyser]

personally i would go with boundless flurry first for reliability

[granite shale]

the hephaestus sprint might be a little broken
130,000 sprint damage
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2470865328666754770/052779021C25036F9F330CB18159C83F0ED98183/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

[glossy rivet]

not bad hammer start i guess

[forest veldt]

pretty sure its better dps as well since fires faster. the less cost is extra that makes feel nice

[glossy rivet]

lol ok psyche next chamber not so great start
stop giving me minor finds aaa

oh my god man its 2 minor finds in a row

[steel sequoia]

just started a new momus run, im somehow blessed now https://postimg.cc/nsLCfd6M

[spare kite]

dumb question, are wells supposed to be restocked after rerolling

[mystic bison]

No, if you bought 1 thing from the well and then reroll, you will have only 2 things to choose from still

[brave owl]

I assume your posideon keepsake is maxed or naw? If not, nice!

[sage kraken]

Hey guys what's good build for axe and torch without any aspects?

[maiden perch]

are the torches any better yet?

[spare kite]

what I mean is, is it an intentional change from h1 or no
bought the "next item lasts 2 guardians", rerolled then the icon still appeared on the empty slot

[vocal burrow]

is there a general strategy for the skull weapon im missing. it just doesnt seem like a fun weapon

like it seems like the special should have a light magnet effect or the special dash sucks one skull back

[brittle prairie]

Spam Omega Special and sub attack shots in between

[forest veldt]

for axe, hera on the attack is nice, can also get hera cast and play spin to win. demeter nice supportive god since can get coarse grit. not sure about torches

[glossy rivet]

is medea keepsake worth on poseidon pan?

does it only boost the knives and not waves?

[timber pawn]

upgraded torches are great, people are clearing 40 fear with eos aspect, and at least 32 with mel aspect.

[bleak night]

I pref Demeter Cast on Axe, never tried Hera Cast before

Is it any good? I suppose damaging new enemies as thry come in to break blue hearts is neat

[timber pawn]

I need you to record runs so I can watch high heat axe stuff

[bleak night]

I can give it a shot, sure. I mostly only record Chronos kills atm since I haven't configured my gamebar recording sizes and formats

[forest veldt]

ah mb, thought thats the build u mentioned. hera attack and going for coarse grit. hera cast is nice for first floor, but demeter prob better to get curse

[forest veldt]

what does that do?

[timber pawn]

do you have any chronos kills uploaded? would love to watch those

[bleak night]

Ah, alright. Hera Cast seems weird for me to use atm

[bleak night]

I can dm some I've already uploaded since it's kinda cluttering

[forest veldt]

its only rly good for first and 2nd floor. hard after since dmg not enough and lose cast for curse

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1241589853649375302/Orbs.mp4?ex=664ac028&is=66496ea8&hm=3c4a05d86536ec4bd42a8a339d156078a881b1f8f45f5bba5a0bd5ed52c64ce8& I love my orbs

[timber pawn]

sure! thanks 🙂

[distant ocean]

fifth run in a row no hammers and no boons besides shop in erebus i don't even care man https://ibb.co/qmqh5qw

[glossy rivet]

increases omega damage

not sure if its worth on pan bc isnt the wave the main damage?

[tropic ferry]

how do i want to build pan daggers?

[bleak night]

Poseidon on Special and Hera on mana regen, hope for Chaos chargetime reduc or mana cost reduc + hammers for Special, especially the one that makes you charge faster + cost 66% less for Omega Special

[distant ocean]

I'm also running 10 rerolls and artificer lol

and the second boon is completely useless

they usually are! lol

[forest veldt]

mostly ya, if u can antler is better since applies to everything

[distant ocean]

lionfang is general damage atleast, probably good for builds that don't use antler in tartarus

[glossy rivet]

bruh i somehow pulled it off

[distant ocean]

\o/

[glossy rivet]

echo DD replenish came in clutch
also no king tide but got 40% faster channel from chaos

[zenith bolt]

im on 3 fear and managed to enter a room in oceanus with like 8 hippos in it. kill me

[glossy rivet]

scalding vapor and super fast channel saved my run lol

also i got offered like 3 hera miniboss rooms in tartarus but i only got the requirements for king tide at charon smh

rerolls and artificers just werent enough

i thought the run was a bust after i got like 4 minor finds in oceanus

[bleak night]

Game is telling you to start doing meme runs

[zenith bolt]

i have an idea for getting barren from chaos but i need to test it more

[bleak night]

Btw I lost that run with level 31 Revenge because I had no Coarse Grit

[tired fulcrum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1218621088049659930/1241592400715976885/Hades_II_2024-05-18_20-13-53.mp4?ex=664ac288&is=66497108&hm=4a422c447d184569a16f2d0fecb33ecb19b07f077c11caf7809b1deda3e117dc& bigger bonk hammer is fun

[distant ocean]

i've spent the past week trying to push into fear 45 with artemis, that's as meme as it gets :l

[bleak night]

So uhhhhhhh, yeah. Back to trying again

[distant ocean]

olol

that's unfortunate, that's without a doubt the highest reflect i've seen tho, so there's that, 4,300% lol

[bleak night]

I trust I'll get a stronger one

[distant ocean]

5k !

be doing 700dmg everytime you get hit lol

[timber pawn]

keepsake or aspect? or both?

[distant ocean]

how much hp does chronus have exactly? 15k?

[timber pawn]

20% of p1 is 4k so...20k p1 I believe

[bleak night]

Without the vow for more HP? I think so.

[distant ocean]

yeah, both, but the later part of the week I started doing pos keepsake start and just using my special to get out of erebus lol

[zenith bolt]

cerb is 20000, idk chronos

[bleak night]

I'm only running 40% more speed while doing the meme run

[distant ocean]

the biggest problem is oceanus when tons of big spindles are everywhere and it's just like good luck being melee.

[timber pawn]

Ive decided to basically leave that on permanently so I can get used to the speed

[timber pawn]

I always run into those like an idiot, I feel you

[distant ocean]

they like to group up and give you no purchase on getting to them so it's like you gotta waste so much time stripping armor with special just to get a stagger, and it's like oh well maybe I should just get demeter for this one room that uniquely screws over melee hardcore everytime it appears lol

[zenith bolt]

guess who just softlocked in mourning fields

[distant ocean]

big chop? :B

[zenith bolt]

nope i actually just can't progress for some reason

[distant ocean]

oh, hm

[glossy rivet]

my last bounty is 24 torches
is pink mist still good for that? lol

[zenith bolt]

cleared all the encounters and nothin

[distant ocean]

weird f10

[bleak night]

I turn it off when I play Big Chop so I don't instantly get killed by committing to it lol

[timber pawn]

understandable I dont think big chop works at 40%, I imagine lol

[distant ocean]

axe problems

[bleak night]

Me when I play Big Chop in +40%

[zenith bolt]

thank god mourning fields has spike branches

[distant ocean]

that's put on the heph keepsake territory

cuz a kid in a black dahlia tank said it ain't heavy metal

[zenith bolt]

never mind it was a different issue - nem not getting highlighted on the stupid goddamn bough

[glossy rivet]

yo if i use circe staff dont that mean i have magic regen without needing boons or the regen arcana?

[spare kite]

Oh I forgot I had this happen too
Very fun :p

[zenith bolt]

yeah but it's Not Great

[distant ocean]

mostly because staff omegas are mid at best.

[glossy rivet]

wasnt there a dope apollo legendary + double omega atk hammer mel staff build though

[distant ocean]

i'm sure it wil keel

[zenith bolt]

imagine if i had golden rule https://i.imgur.com/kZ3yCmC.png

[distant ocean]

dude's rich

[tame fern]

Any thoughts on Swift Runner's "your dash is immediate" effect? Even before the patch I always felt that my dash was immediate, I dodge the same way that I did in Hades 1

[distant ocean]

who knows with vague descriptions.

by design escaping and limiting criticisms and examination lol.

i feel like when you do that you're doing it because you think you deserve it

it looks guilty.

[quaint dawn]

is the number of boons totally you encounter in a run random or is there the same number of boons but randomly distributed across locations? i've been using the vow that turns the first boon in a location into an onion and any streak of rooms that don't have boons makes me think something is up

[spare kite]

#h2-feedback message @empty forum not that the descriptions shouldn't have better clarification but rn they do have
If it says specials/attacks in the description it includes the omega version too. (Along with the tooltip for omegas appearing if it does)
If it says attack/special, then is just non omegas

[zenith bolt]

give it up for internal names !! https://i.imgur.com/FloYtKn.png

[distant ocean]

👏

[distant ocean]

I think it's random with a few catches sometimes, I can't be totally sure though I've definitely gone through boon and hammer droughts lol

[dawn cape]

I have to give major props to how Zeus' new Blitz mechanic is designed, it's really interesting and works with all sorts of builds

[distant ocean]

a blitz baller enters the game

[dawn cape]

I went straight from an axe blitz build (which procs the blitz through high base damage) to a knife blitz build (which procs the blitz partly through lightning cast strikes and partly through high base damage from the backstab hammer) and both felt like they were getting good value

[empty forum]

Yeah I noticed about the “s” (very late though, lol 😂). We could totally do with better clarification tho

[dawn cape]

Yeah it even synergizes with the zeus cast, the omega cast can very quickly trigger blitz if you follow up with your own attacks

[distant ocean]

that's fair, I still think blitz should be able to proc off the instance of damage it's applied with

in effect blitz is kinda like giving enemies a third blue heart lol

cuz you're just never getting anything out of the first hits

and the first hits on enemies matter alot, because armor sucks .

[spare kite]

How bad are blue hearts in this game actually
I hated them in H1

[zenith bolt]

already a hot axe run https://i.imgur.com/FQsfplM.png

[timber pawn]

Weapon dependant

[distant ocean]

right now, not so much because there's really fast weapons and poseidon's great

when you have really slow weapons and blitz it's a little bit of a pain in the butt.

Blue hearts when you're axe, kinda the worst lol

[spare kite]

Makes sense

[distant ocean]

Blue hearts when you're momus, not even notciable

[dawn cape]

I tihnk it's fine not to, then that just makes it a straight flat-damage boon for anything big hits

[zenith bolt]

on torches, staff, and blades, blue hearts practically don't exist

[distant ocean]

even then that damage needs to be buffed cuz it's outclassed in that aspect alot, too

people are quick to talk nerfs of the goodest things but we still ain't beating chronus without arcana, we ain't really as OP as we think lol

[dawn cape]

Side note, I've started not taking ranged cast boons because the downside of them is that you can't move while charging the omega while with melee casts you can drop it, dash out, and then charge the omega while moving

[distant ocean]

there's just alot of things that are UP I think

blitz is for sure one of them

[glossy rivet]

Bring back jolted

[spare kite]

So true

also shoals

[distant ocean]

shield please

[glossy rivet]

Bring back
Rush delivery

[spare kite]

REAL
All this movement speed and for what

Who cares about a lil balance

[distant ocean]

balance?

wut dat

bro, I just want to be able to not do anything and beat the game hera reflect style

[bleak night]

[glossy rivet]

Gimme athena deflects

[distant ocean]

not again

[glossy rivet]

Actually gibe me
Double dash

[distant ocean]

i'll take uhh number 2 with fries

[spare kite]

Can't wait for everyone to hate athena's sprint

[glossy rivet]

Tfw athena sprint wont deflect probably

[distant ocean]

a number 57, a number 9, and guan yuuu

jk, I welcome evolution, as long as it is

[glossy rivet]

chaos:
"EVOLUTION..." (You now channel omega moves 20% faster)

[dawn cape]

If Athena shows up I want boons based around dashing through attacks

Something like "on avoiding damage with dash, your strikes deal +X% damage"

[spare kite]

Ruthless reflex but expanded, I like it

[oblique nova]

is athena already confirmed?

if so that'd be spicy, considering the side cast we have that have a massive bone to pick with her lmao

[dawn cape]

IIRC they said that all gods from the first game will return

There's a decent chance they return in the same way as Artemis where they give one-off boons instead of being a core god

[zenith bolt]

more characters = even more keepsakes

[vestal bear]

Still VERY curious what words Arachne will have for us after the first time we meet Athena

Big banner spelling out "WELCOME HOME CHEATER"

[glossy rivet]

Maybe athena gonna be like hades only giving one off boons in olympus

So we can still have opieOP deflect boons

Still prefer to seeing some more core gods though

Maybe dionysus is too drunk and sad to give boons though

[timber pawn]

We're missing dio, Athena and ares, that's it right?

[distant ocean]

and gaia and uranus

[glossy rivet]

I mean, i wanna see at least athena or ares or dio, at least one of them as a core god

[vestal bear]

God I miss Dio boons

Wish I could run dio knives

[glossy rivet]

Bro bring back diobombs

Heph blast and vent is kinda similar to ares doom though
But athena deflects

[rough elm]

dio bow was my main thing. With the homing aspect that shit was bussin

[vestal bear]

Yeah I love heph vent

[dawn cape]

Honestly, unless you've been forced into a bad hex, I think that -cost effects are traps

[zenith bolt]

just as i go on a run, i get new dialogue from arachne https://i.imgur.com/IxSTEJW.png

[vestal bear]

Oof

[glossy rivet]

bro i wish they made heph legendary be blast cooldown be on each target or smth instead of something super situational as fine-tuning

[distant ocean]

in the 2nd act of the story we become kratos for sure :^)

agents of chronos are we

calling it lol

[zenith bolt]

my beloved... https://i.imgur.com/wJX7Iyy.png

[timber pawn]

Seems amazing for medea

[flint iris]

what's the strongest auto attack build atm guys?

[glossy rivet]

it doesnt have plural on the special
so it doesnt work on omega special?

[zenith bolt]

it is

i dont think it does

[glossy rivet]

ZAMN
so its twisting crash or bust for persephone skull?

[zenith bolt]

idk im using medea

[tame fern]

Poseidon Momus

[flint iris]

ty

[marble quiver]

any reccomendations for what God/boon to funnel on a melinoe descura build (i have aspect of melinoe rank V) i havent been able to crack phase 1 cronos despite how hard I try. I mostly go for an aphrodite build centered around flutter strikes

[bleak night]

Have you tried Apollo while aiming for his Legendary? It allows you to play safe while firing Omega Attacks from a distance

[marble quiver]

oh okay! ty so much! I wasn't sure if descura was built for close range or not since I always ran flutter strike or flurish with Double Cataclysm/Double Wallop and try to burst them down! ❤️ ❤️

[merry flint]

hey how often are Infusion boons given out?

[civic ocean]

I have a 32 clear on Mel Descura

I started with Aphrodite for Dash/Attack then transitioned into Air Quality Infusion and Scorch on Cast/Special.

It doesn't really USE the mel staff properly, but it indeed did work.

[bleak night]

Aphro builds are kinda high risk if you're not too used to how your target fights, so I suggest trying to play safer by using boons that allow you to excel at that playstyle

[civic ocean]

They have elemental requirements

[marble quiver]

Alrighty! I'll give both a whirl and update y'all my progress. Again Ty so much!! ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️

[zenith bolt]

eh healthy rebound and life affirmation exist

[ashen timber]

Is it bad that these past few nights I've been going for list completion and keepsake leveling, but I've been doing it on 20 fear? Considering the highest I've beaten prior was 4, this is a big jump in difficulty. Think I should turn it back down until I get what I'm looking for done? or keep it high for the practice?

[boreal lagoon]

almost certain ares is missing by intention because in some version of greek mythos aphrodite is also a war goddess

[zenith bolt]

ares was in hades 1 so he's most likely returning

[glossy rivet]

they put his warpaint on her

[zenith bolt]

oh hey he has special dialogue if you chose aphrodite over him in trial of the gods https://i.imgur.com/dvKi1zp.png

[marble sonnet]

Curious to see if I'm the only one feeling this.

Does anyone else feel like they're not getting some ridiculous fun builds like we used to get in the first Hades? I know more weapons will get added to the game, and we will get more aspects to the weapons too. And the same with boons, we will get updated boons and hopefully new Gods as well. But right now from currently available weapons and boons, I haven't been able to make some memorable builds yet.

[glossy remnant]

try an aphrodite build + 400% omega attack damage from daedalus on aspect of melinoe sister blades. speedrun build lol

[zenith bolt]

WHAT https://i.imgur.com/zfSAXX7.png

[delicate spindle]

Any good Aspect of Eos Builds?

[merry flint]

Scalding Vapor?

But yeah i kinda get it

[short pawn]

Giga Cleaver, The Axe's daedalus hammer upgrade which lets me "channel +15 magick into my omega special to fire 2 more times ahead of me", does this mean my attacks will hit twice? or that my omega special will just be longer?

[dense lantern]

https://d.vxtwitter.com/GeorgMieden/status/1790980681922736450

[ashen timber]

Hit twice for sure, the animation isnt any slower, but i think you might have to channel it a bit longer to put that 15 extra mana into it.

been a minute since i got that hammer to know for sure

[timber pawn]

Wow that's a good f10 moment

[dense lantern]

I was so upset

[timber pawn]

It hits twice but has two channels

[ashen timber]

RIP o7

[short pawn]

O alright , thanks!

[timber pawn]

Ya I saw a barrel go flying like that on my recent surface run but I didn't have a cutscene so it was okay. Thought it was funny

[modern mural]

Hard disagree I’ve played the knives aspect that are guided within your cast with he hammer ability making them come back, the Artemis ability to send an arrow on hit, and the Peisidan special boon that makes all specials hit multiple and I had the single most fun one shot build I’ve ever had

I agree there’s less but I think there’s still plenty of fun ones to do if you’re creative enough

[oblique nova]

you weren't standing on the circle perfectly enough

[timber pawn]

Visual glitch strikes again?

[distant ocean]

why even have mobs spawning in the city to begin with lol

[oblique nova]

not even sure that's a visual glitch, i just think they ought to be more lenient with the size of the safe zone

[graceful cosmos]

for chronos would evil eye, knuckle bones, or luckier tooth be best

[warped harness]

is there any benefit to the hammer that removes your omega attack for the twin blades or is it just like for new players who wanna hold down the button and go stabby

[distant ocean]

yeesh

[crude willow]

I’m having trouble with Polyphemus and Scylla, anyone got some tips?

[graceful cosmos]

also this same thing happened to me yesterday 😞

that attack seems a tad buggy

[warped harness]

you can negate a lot of the issues with polyphemus by placing a cast under him and running away, at least with the ranged weps

[devout mortar]

hestia on special pan hook knives run y/n? i was going to go posi but idk.

[tough matrix]

Polyphemus is slow and bulky, don't be tempted to attack recklessly, they do a shitload of damage

[distant ocean]

just get some more experience really, take your time, and take mental notes on all the queues and patterns you can

[warped harness]

with the melees against polyphemus uh, cry? i still havent figured it out myself honestly

[devout mortar]

play more. u have to make a lot of calculations on the fly, as you play more it will click more. 20-30+~ runs imo

[crude willow]

Scylla I beat once and then I haven’t been able to do it again I’ve been stuck gameplay wise

[ashen timber]

I like to pick off one siren at a time. The Drummer gives me the hardest time more often than not, so I focus her down first, followed by the guitarist who dashes around, then Scylla herself, since she's relatively easy to avoid by not going near her.

[devout mortar]

drummer is stationary so obv target her frst imo and she does insane aoe. so

[distant ocean]

you can pretty much outrange everything in this game forever, the only thing preventing that would be a timer but if you're not on a timer you could basically just focus on avoidance and slowly introduce weaving in damage when you figure out where all the windows are

[tough matrix]

Honestly, master the use of your binding circle

[crude willow]

So they all have individual health bars?

[devout mortar]

is hestia good on knives special pan build y/n? or hold out for aphro/posi?

[warped harness]

scylla's attacks are pretty weak on their own yeah, the drummer is crazy strong and definitely the top target

[tough matrix]

Binding circle solves all problems

[graceful cosmos]

also does the -15% health on guardians only affect phase 1 of chronos or does it do both

[ashen timber]

They share a "health bar" but their hp is tracked separate, yes

[zenith bolt]

only phase 1

[oblique nova]

if you're running Origination then I suppose? if only to get your obligatory curse effect

[crude willow]

Wish that was more clear tbh

[warped harness]

if u get the burn detonate at a higher rarity it would be pretty solid, but otherwise not really

[devout mortar]

thxx

[tough matrix]

I love Demeter's cast cyclone. Makes Origination so much easier to work with

[tired fulcrum]

Hestia special is terrible compared to poseidon

[warped harness]

would also reccomend the hammer that turns your omega special intro a single stream rather than a fan of blades

[oblique nova]

demeter cast cyclone is so clutch

[distant ocean]

make use of the i frames on your dash

[ashen timber]

eh, its not the worst. You get a feel for when they're almost down based on how much damage you've dealt to each.

[warped harness]

^ most things are though poseiden is broken, if you want to use hestia feel free to cook

[distant ocean]

and play op dps builds since the more damage you have the less life mobs have lol

[civic ocean]

It's good but you have to do something with the burn

Poseidon duo or zeus infusion

[ashen timber]

If youve only damaged one siren, you can make imaginary marks on their health bar to guess how close you are.

[oblique nova]

it even works on top of normal demeter cast since they're seperate curse effects for some reason??

[formal wyvern]

how do people feel about the difficulty ratings for the different challenges?
One for me that seemed like it should be higher is the beat Eris using Aphrodites boons one, since fighting Eris without timeslow and an otherwise limited kit is pretty tough

[distant ocean]

don't you have momus in that trial?

or is it white antler?

[zenith bolt]

no, that's eos

[warped harness]

ohh actually i feel like thats easy, eris's biggest weakness is you being in close range since she doesn't turn instantly. you can dash behind or sprint around her side and avoid a lot of the trouble of taking her down

[tough matrix]

Yes. Cyclone is not actually a cast upgrade, but a seperate effect that stacks on top

[distant ocean]

oh yeah

[zenith bolt]

ig if it's any consolation time slow does not help you on eos anyway bc lol

[civic ocean]

Demeter counterbalances having two curses with really low damage output

Fun fact, Ice Strike (demeter's attack) + Origination is, IIRC, just less damage boost overall than an Aphrodite attack boon?

[formal wyvern]

i think thats another one where you fight Eris, its a dagger build that incentivises being at low hp

[tough matrix]

Makes up for it defensively

[formal wyvern]

that ones fine since the build they give you is kinda cracked

[tough matrix]

That said, I prefer her freeze on cast and special

[oblique nova]

dang TIL, didn't realize aphro was so strong

[distant ocean]

yeah that's the one I played, that one was pretty easy with no slowdown, too lol

[tough matrix]

Skull's special omega + aphrodite is scary

[warped harness]

aphro is very very strong with the closer range stuff like the daggers and the skull depending on your playstyle, i'd say the axe too

[oblique nova]

makes sense, you have to get up close anyhow lol

[civic ocean]

Yeah I'm still playing around with Demeter. I think it's quite good on the axe earlygame if you can transition into another form of damage

[warped harness]

not as strong as poseiden just because his aoe makes the rest of the game a cakewalk, but her damage is pretty crazy

[formal wyvern]

yeah its not very good with the torches though which is what the challenges gives you

[zenith bolt]

demeter is good on weapons that use omega attack because of weed killer

[distant ocean]

eh~ and daggers has a ton of additive dmg in their upgraes.

[warped harness]

so it's eos torches against eris?

[distant ocean]

apollo's generally better imo since melee daggers have no range at all.

[tough matrix]

It took me a long time to realize that Aphro's gain didn't suck

[formal wyvern]

i think so? i dont remember the name its the one that makes them grow and come back to you when you sprint

[civic ocean]

It does suck, but not for reasons that you'd think

[zenith bolt]

eos

[tired fulcrum]

I mean aphro gain is not great

[formal wyvern]

the perma weak against bosses can be nice

[tough matrix]

Oh?

[formal wyvern]

but you do have to hug pretty closely to get the regen, and the quantity of regen is pretty is quite low comparatively

[civic ocean]

Glamour gain is really good for defense and origination but it's awful mana gain because Melinoe cannot regenerate mana while she is spending mana

[formal wyvern]

its tough to use well on higher fears when there are hoards of enemies and you need to cheap away from a distance

[civic ocean]

So you have to be close to an enemy while not attacking

[tough matrix]

It was the only gain I could get while maining Demeter

[tired fulcrum]

Most times you want to be close is when youre doing damage and when youre doing damage youre using magick which means no regen

[warped harness]

ye it's eos, i'd say you wanna just dance around her and dont be afraid to stick close, there's a period of time where eris will come up to you for most of her attacks and thats when you wanna get close and dash through her. her turning speed is quite slow so if you go right behind her with the proper timing and keep circling her while close you should be able to make good use of the eos effect

[civic ocean]

I think Demeter gain is probably good on Charon

[tired fulcrum]

Copeable maybe

[zenith bolt]

what is this 😭 https://i.imgur.com/yLCLB0Z.png

[formal wyvern]

yeah im not too worried about eventually beating it, just felt like one of the harders ones despite having not that high a rating

[warped harness]

unironically i suffer more with polyphemus than i do eris, once you figure out her whole shtick she becomes pretty easy even at 40% speed bonus, i nearly took her out but died bc i lost all 3 of my death defiances to polyphemus on the axe run i was going with. i cannot stand that dude

[zenith bolt]

chaos please im running out of keepsakes to level up https://i.imgur.com/Rn9HL1E.png

[tired fulcrum]

Axe poly is fun

[civic ocean]

Charon's highest potential is to mix glorious disaster and torrential downpour, and so your choice are Lucid Gain when you can't reliably stand in your casts, Ionic Gain which ???? and Tranquil

[formal wyvern]

for the weapons except torches its fine since you can charge while doing regular attacks

[devout mortar]

for aspect of pan

does hook knives cancel out the effect? if so f

what should i put on my special w this build? % or poseidon?

[warped harness]

what do you reccomend cause ive been struggling a lot with axe against him but been fine everywhere else 😭

[zenith bolt]

https://i.imgur.com/Wbvu3SL.png fully upgraded all aspects woo

[civic ocean]

but like what regular axe attack do I want to be doing standing next to a 100% damage dealing 40% faster attacking Time Titan

[forest veldt]

yes and pos

[tough vapor]

Does glorious disaster have an effect with charon axe? I dont think it does, but if it did itd be really good

[tired fulcrum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1218621088049659930/1241592400715976885/Hades_II_2024-05-18_20-13-53.mp4?ex=664ac288&is=66497108&hm=4a422c447d184569a16f2d0fecb33ecb19b07f077c11caf7809b1deda3e117dc& idk get the big bonk hammer

[tired fulcrum]

Yep it works when you explode cast with omega special

[formal wyvern]

thats a seperate issue, being close at all doesnt work well on higher fears like i said earlier

[warped harness]

oh the 300 power smash hammer?

[tough vapor]

thanks

[civic ocean]

You would think that being close is a complicating factor for Glamour Gain, yes?

[warped harness]

i think i had that and still got cooked, the 40% enemy speed is brutal 😭

[timber pawn]

Proposal to call Apollo axe 'W I D E axe'

[tough vapor]

its super fune

[tired fulcrum]

Uh the one that doubles your combo finisher

[tough vapor]

I support this

[warped harness]

ohh, havent tried that one yet, i think the last run i had it in was charon axe build where i was trying to do apollo's cast

[civic ocean]

problem is that Tranquil Gain uhh

man that gain really sucks when you're not used to it

[zenith bolt]

it just really sucks in general

[civic ocean]

I think it's a skill issue tbh there are so many times where I could have stood still for 2 seconds but chose to sprint around

[warped harness]

having to stop for a second is kind of awful

[tired fulcrum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1164101586138710037/1241550404211310676/Hades_II_2024-05-18_17-33-22_-_Trim.mp4?ex=664a9b6b&is=664949eb&hm=651c326aab5e10c36db6faffff673a8a475208104d77007c7f54e97fab82e1ce& 3k lol. Due to also having torrential downpour

[timber pawn]

I feel like hestia gain is runner up in a vacuum, and then poseidon for some builds

[civic ocean]

It's all of the gains that don't regen

Heph gain is also quite good

[zenith bolt]

i feel like heph gain is only good if you have like coarse grit or something

[civic ocean]

Every biome has a way to dink yourself for low

[timber pawn]

Ya I guess if you have heph gain in high heat you've got various other parts of his mitigation

[zenith bolt]

me taking 50 in chronos so that i can omega attack twice

[civic ocean]

Against chronos you just empty the clip to get him to a summon step and then let the summon hit you for 10

[warped harness]

coarse grit with that poseiden boon that removes a flat amount of damage taken sounds really silly

[zenith bolt]

im pretty sure coarse grit applies last

[civic ocean]

and also if you can go your entire mana bar without letting chronos hit you I feel like you're probably comfortably winning that fight

[zenith bolt]

so it doesn't stack with any other damage reduction effects

[warped harness]

ah ok

[tough vapor]

charon axe does get nutty

[distant ocean]

alright I just did it, torches are very good vs eris regardless of the circumstances since you can attack her behind the cover of those pillars :T

you don't even ahve to stick to her butt, you can just cheese her lol

[frail raft]

Hello, I need help. I am stucked in the trial of love, and this is in my opinion by far the hardest one. (yes, trial of the end is by far easier for me!)
Any tips to clear that overwhelming trial ? Thanks!

[tough matrix]

Has there been any talk of the Arcana? I typically run the fate corner, the boon boosters, and the toughness tower. I have 30 Grasp. Am I focusing too much on the boons?

I'm wondering if it might be wiser to go after general combat instead

[forest veldt]

not sure if understand completely but generally i like taking all 4 reroll options, defiance, sprint, 2 curse, and then fill rest w/ dmg options

[ashen timber]

This is what I generally run with personally. Not gonna say its the best, but it fits my playstyle pretty well so take that how you will.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1241219084943626294/1241628603704283216/image.png?ex=664ae43f&is=664992bf&hm=f65fdb2fd794b62bdc7b2a61aff20d0e3a77fae6f26e5015df06e1df3980cd93&

[forest veldt]

ya i have something similar but wo/ top left corner and get other dmg options

[tough matrix]

Second to left Comumn and Second to bottom row are what I focus on

All the things that make you lucky, tough, and bend fate

[forest veldt]

i find i have enough hp and magick w/ frog so dont take those, but makes sense to make runs comfy. boon rarity i find is worse than getting dmg from cards but could be wrong

[tough matrix]

I've been eschewing the omega slowdown because it is worthless against REDACTED

[ashen timber]

honestly I should probably look to swap some of these cards, but there are some cards Ive become reliant on to function. such as the omega slowdown

[tough matrix]

I used to be the same way, but then realized it makes the omage ax attack a chore

[zenith bolt]

the sorceress is good on builds that focus on omega moves
even if it doesn't work on chronos, he's a special case because he's a boss and has openings

not getting mauled 6 times over for trying to charge omega attack in erebus is nice

[tough vapor]

litterally only downside is sometimes it gets a lil laggy with all the effects about

[forest veldt]

anyone else thing the slowdown should apply to in-game timer? not sure if hot take

[devout mortar]

conc fury vs boundless

for hook knives pan run (scuffed ik ;x)

[tired fulcrum]

No because then itd be mandatory for td/speedrunning

[zenith bolt]

i think boundless is always a good take on pan

[ashen timber]

Nah, its fine as-is. I don't do timer runs typically anyway, but even if I did, the timer is timing the fight, not game ticks.

[forest veldt]

i guess ur right, think have momus brainrot and dont value omegas much compared to normal dmg

[forest veldt]

tru, see where ur coming from

[ashen timber]

Alright, screw it. I've ignored the torches for long enough, so what's a good build to start with? I have a nightmare waiting from Eris on the surface so I might as well use this chance to practice with them.

[warped harness]

btw why does my frinos have infinite uses

[iron spear]

same i just cant use the torches but u have to fight eris with them

[warped harness]

and ive been able to harvest every kind of material even though ive had just one item equipped

[ashen timber]

they changed familiars to buff the chance of their resource spawning, and dropped the usage cap last patch

[warped harness]

ahh

[ashen timber]

its similar for tools, in that you can harvest any resource that spawns, but the equipped tool buffs the appearance more than the familiar

[tender flint]

ok i made momus work now that my progress got reset

[frail raft]

up

[hollow crypt]

what are pre-reqs for Beach Ball on Poseidon's side

I have Sprint from Apollo rn

[warped harness]

@hollow crypt fluid gain

or breaker sprint

[hollow crypt]

thanks, only Fluid Gain works since I have Apollo Sprint right?

[delicate spindle]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3243844568

[zenith bolt]

i bounce between these depending on my mood https://i.imgur.com/AblVGNN.png

[lament sapphire]

I believe I tried going for centaur hearts to just be able to tank a bit of shots

[zenith bolt]

all of these are flexible sorceress/swift runner except 6 rerolls bc divinity moment

[lament sapphire]

If lucky, hammer upgrade should give you the winning edge

[tender flint]

1 major complaint i have for aspect of momus is you cant dash cancel the animation if I stopped pressign the special button it still shoots specials and locks me out of dodging otherwise its fine

[frail raft]

is it possible with RNG that I don't find charybdis ?

Because if yes it's winnable. But the problem is that he makes me low life and the session is lose.

[honest lodge]

how does glorious disaster work? do you do the duo lighting strikes and then the solar ring damage after that ends?

[lament sapphire]

its been a while for me since this trial but I think its RNG based

[honest lodge]

I believe it's like any mini boss. Sometimes you see them sometimes you don't

[tired fulcrum]

It just buffs the damage from apollos dot basically

[lament sapphire]

just dont press give up and play out the run

[frail raft]

So I have just have to hope him to not happen even if I am pretty desperate because he never disappered with 15+ lose run

[tired fulcrum]

They happen at the same time

[honest lodge]

so replaces the apollo damage but you still have to wait till the cast ends before the damage goes off?

[tired fulcrum]

Well its added to his damage and yeah have to wait

[honest lodge]

oh it does both but when the solar ring goes off

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah

[lament sapphire]

If you are struggling with Charybdis, pretty much, yeah

[honest lodge]

sucks you still have to wait but it sounds like a ton of damage

can you make the cast follow you with demeter? I think it's Demeter that does that right?

[forest veldt]

is this for the torch aphro trial? if so then yes its rng. can also get hermes w/ the slower enemy proj which destorys their proj over the water

[lament sapphire]

I think Hermes slow projectile speed helps with the fight a lot

[lament sapphire]

^ this

[forest veldt]

dont think omega follows when down, only during charging time

[honest lodge]

well it least you can more relaiably deploy it on enemies I guess

[tired fulcrum]

Like itll follow until the omega explodes

[forest veldt]

kinda, i dont like because normally u can dash in to place and then move away to charge

[tired fulcrum]

Then the aoe is stuck in place

[honest lodge]

follow the boss around till then haha

[tired fulcrum]

Your best bet is to just get super nova so your cast fills the entire room

[honest lodge]

the AoE is big if you have the apollo boon for that tho

[tired fulcrum]

Can also just plop it down on someone with lightning lance and then sudden cleaver it with charon

[forest veldt]

i guess, still not a fan. pref zeus, hestia, or hades for cast aiming if have option

[honest lodge]

chronos can move pretty far though. Probably fills the whole battlefield in phase 2 tho

oh right you can lance with zeus

[tender flint]

bro 3 selene boons in a row wtf

[glossy rivet]

does hestia sprint kill off chronos yellow orbs?

[tired fulcrum]

Think so

[tender flint]

yes

[frail raft]

okok ty

[glossy rivet]

zang bro i dont get to use hestia or hephaestus enough

ok whats a hestia or heph dominant build?

ima need to rank up hephs keepsake anyway

[civic ocean]

those two enable slow cooker fire infusion

[bleak night]

Sprint build

[tired fulcrum]

Uh ig you can pom up a heph special and go for the duo

[glossy rivet]

do i just abuse heph sprint or smth
what wpn btw if it matters at all

and also build around stacking buffs for sprint heph

[lament sapphire]

Any suggestion on easy builds for Ygnium? I am going for 24 heat on this but I suck at this weapon

[glossy rivet]

pink mist

[ashen timber]

Is this a decent heat to be practicing on? I'm nowhere close to good enough to tackle the 30+ heats I see others in this server do, and Torches are still weird to use, but if I want to level up the aspects then I've gotta figure it out somehow.

Also, does anyone have a good beginner torch build I can use? I've got the Mel aspect maxed, so I'll be using that for now if that helps.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1241219084943626294/1241639556642771034/image.png?ex=664aee72&is=66499cf2&hm=1ffdbf80c740d25b93a926fe378410bb689e189ad26e40c5deb03e069b8e6ebf&

[civic ocean]

I feel like low heat I'd just go for Aph+apollo stuff?

[tired fulcrum]

If you want practice then imo turn off the other stuff and do fo2

[civic ocean]

Like Aph Apollo Hera

[lament sapphire]

hearthrob builds?

[civic ocean]

yeah

[lament sapphire]

the torches kinda feel wonky for me compared to other weapons :(

guess i just gotta git gud

[ashen timber]

ooh, I see how that can work. Should I focus down Hera Gain first? Or would Apollo Attack be better to start?

Just trying to get my priority list straight before I throw another run

[grizzled quail]

what are the 32 heat setups y'all are running?

[balmy oyster]

just did 1 in 19:57 with momus staff, poseidon special, double moonshot, zeus chain lightning

[glossy rivet]

which weapon and/or aspect would benefit most from increased base power? rapid hits like dagger?

[tender flint]

quick question i might just having my timing of but you are stuck in special spam when using momus you cant dash while spamming

[pastel lagoon]

Lord Poseidon special, double moonshot, zeus chain lightning is insane lmao

[balmy oyster]

idk if the 1 grasp, dash is immediate and sprint faster arcana card will help, but i dont have issues dodging

[quaint dawn]

i can't tell if dashing got slightly better or i got better at dashing, but for some reason upgrading 2.5% sprint speed now seems more appealing than 5% spring speed was before lol

[honest lodge]

finally got to 29 grasp. That jump from 29 to 30 is a bit... intense lol

[ashen timber]

Ok, that worked... I got aphro special + heartthrob + born gain and started spamming omega specials while standing next to polyphemus and he melted... blew a couple revives, but it worked. Do I have the right idea or was that sheer luck?

[tough vapor]

dang I am just eating so good, heroic apollo cast, heroic zues special, and their duo boon, on charon axe, this is wild

and Ive got all this for the scylla fight, I beat them in like, 30 seconds

[forest veldt]

everything likes base power since makes other sources of % dmg better. rapid hits prob see most benefit bc low base generally and apply it a bunch, similar to why they like flat from pos

[summer root]

Only Charon Axe?

Can't we simply enjoy all? 🗿

[balmy oyster]

has anyone clear 32 fear in sub-20 so far

[forest veldt]

you can get stuck if try to dash when spamming, just need to stop spamming to dash

[bleak night]

I actually have no clue ngl to you, I never run Heph Sprint

[forest veldt]

they changed how dash works in last patch, also changed sprint card to make dash instant

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah just do antler strats easy 10 minutes

[balmy oyster]

haven't seen it if someone else has done it

my sub-20 was without antlers

[tired fulcrum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1217110523091357747/1240086037137723493/Screenshot_153.png?ex=664a8d9e&is=66493c1e&hm=430f19e46df93966a5f84d388144850979620bb70d98d516d97db69dcea8408f&

[gentle hawk]

So I just gave this as feedback but also please what do I do

#h2-feedback message

[glossy rivet]

i have no idea what a sprint build is
zeus sprint?

[balmy oyster]

that's insane, god gamer

[glossy rivet]

zesus

[bleak night]

Demeter sprint and Hestia cast with Demeter's secondary cast that follows you around

[forest veldt]

that and having apollo legendary be able to get bonus power on repeat would be nice

[green wren]

Sprint build would be Zeus Min dmg infusion + dem sprint

[gentle hawk]

So bolstered array or full salvo?

[glossy rivet]

quite unconventional

[forest veldt]

wym? as in what to chose? bolstered better since gives +40 power, full salvo doesn't rly do anything

[green wren]

4 dmg per 0.25 turned into 30 per .25 bretty gud

[glossy rivet]

air quality?

[green wren]

the one that gives min damage yeah

[tired fulcrum]

Doesnt zeus sprint proc every .13 seconds or something

[forest veldt]

0.15 but uses magick

[glossy rivet]

whats 4dmg per seocnd
demeter cast?

[tired fulcrum]

Buuuuut born gain

[forest veldt]

dem sprint, 4 every 0.25

[green wren]

demi sprint is aoe 4 dmg per 0.25 second

so 4 ticks a second and zeus infusion forces all damage to be minimum 30

[honest lodge]

so the hestia legendary with air quality is crazy right?

[tired fulcrum]

Hmm

[glossy rivet]

how does scorch work on air quality
it probably makes every tick 30 damage but does it count against the accrued damage?

[honest lodge]

supposedly no

[tired fulcrum]

Depends on if it makes the internal ticks tick twice as fast or do twice as much damage

[tender flint]

for 32 heat aspect of momus is the best but ONLY if you get a boon and hammer from the start on 32 heat atleast the nights im running which maybe there are better ones idk the spam just gets stopped by the shear number of enemies summoned

[glossy rivet]

whats a good aspect that has both dem and zeus anyway?

[green wren]

scorch has a weird tick rate says on tooltip per second but with air quality it feels like it does more dmg ?

[gentle hawk]

Ok yeah. Which would be really nice if it did. I’m spending all my skulls!

[honest lodge]

yeah it ticks faster than once per second but the DPS is 40

[forest veldt]

it isn't good, reduced total number of ticks so less dmg

[honest lodge]

oh that's weird

[forest veldt]

its 2x faster, so 2x less dmg

[plain fossil]

Honestly if u held a gun to my head and made me pick those two together im probably aiming for some kind of cast build and ignore aspect completely

[tired fulcrum]

I mean if the tick rate is faster it wouldnt reduce the damage

[glossy rivet]

hmmm

[tired fulcrum]

But if the ticks are instead bigger then that would reduce it

[forest veldt]

it does since less ticks that get boosted by zeus

[civic ocean]

Charon

Than works too

[glossy rivet]

but shouldnt you be doing more than 30 damage if you're cleavecasting

[tired fulcrum]

Does air quality have a limit on ticks per second on something

[civic ocean]

I've made it farther on 32 with Than Cast than Charon Cast so far

[tender flint]

i didnt even think they would work on that but now that you say it yeah i can see it

[civic ocean]

I do not like Charon at all, but I'm still learning

[tired fulcrum]

Apollo cast Charon plus both the apollo zeus duo and the demeter apollo duo is funny

[plain fossil]

Ngl i like cast builds more on surface runs

Largely because hestia is SO much better

[civic ocean]

I just got that in Erebus and lost because I ended up at 20 mana and lost 2 minutes trying to kill mobs

[bleak night]

Demeter sprint and Hestia cast with Demeter's secondary cast that follows you around

[glossy rivet]

so i just hug mfs with dots and origination

while zooming around

[forest veldt]

that sounds cool, tried the revenge build yesterday but couldn't get sustain to make comfy

[civic ocean]

no you take 10 rerolls and artificer and you try to get the combo asap and then you deal like sooooo much damage

and you take something for the spin so you can fight mobs and use the cast to kill bosses

[bleak night]

I'm still trying, I'm too many runs in but I want that Luigi kill so badly

[glossy rivet]

spin? axe?

[civic ocean]

okay so I had the big brain luck based Luigi run idea but you need 5 gods

[forest veldt]

is ur sustain just the selene heal? tried w/ momus but still wasn't enough. maybe better w/ heph gain tho

[glossy rivet]

what combo btw? u mean dem/hestia duo? or cyclone sprint and scorch cast?

• the demeter omega follow

[bleak night]

My idea for the Luigi Kill is to just stand there and not touch the controller, so I won't be relying on Hexes anymore. I need luck for Hermes dd + Queen's ransom and Coarse Grit in order for it to work. Last time, I had level 31 Nasty Comeback but no Coarse Grit, so Chronos just instakilled me with 900 damage and I couldn't reflect it

[proper dagger]

what vows did you take on this run?

[bleak night]

I'd need to be really lucky

[forest veldt]

so just getting big hp pool and killnig before dying?

[warped harness]

the 3rd and 4th area enemies feel so bad to fight when they have the 40% speed bonus from fear it's honsstly making it harder to enjoy or learn the game

[glossy rivet]

does coarse grit + nasty comeback reflects the 15 dmg or the damage before reduction?

[civic ocean]

Charon Axe

Demeter start Gain/Attack + Gain
Apollo Cast
Zeus attack/special
Glorious Disaster
Torrential Downpour

Honorable mention for Solar Ring, Gale Force, Local Climate

[bleak night]

That's the idea. If I have no Coarse Grit I just instantly lose because I can't eat 900 damage instakills

[tired fulcrum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1226642940764487690/1241326678173814814/image0.jpg?ex=664a73ce&is=6649224e&hm=5ae36eed94f9cae07e650c556360cdb4f38ab8656a2110bc0f0cf8cfffd89018& the fun ones

[civic ocean]

are you fighting mobs and just no controllering Chronos

[jovial cove]

which is better on eos going for curse combo with attack + special or Ω attack

[bleak night]

15 damage, but my last Nasty Comeback was 37x damage return, so I can manage if I get lucky

[proper dagger]

thanks lmao

[bleak night]

Yeah, fighting normally then dropping controller vs Chronos for the meme video

[civic ocean]

What is the average hera dmg return

[glossy rivet]

nice ty ima try

[civic ocean]

without the zeus duo

[tired fulcrum]

I stand by omega attack with apollo legendary, heart throbs, and born gain for the funnies

[bleak night]

Highest I ever got without Queen's ransom was level 7 Heroic at 1965% damage returb

[civic ocean]

what would be like highest base you could get, like epic no poms what is it

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1241565604188655687/image.png?ex=664aa993&is=66495813&hm=1e88746303e9c82db8a6a19d1739d5e0e76fc57ff0fae89cf5da71c1a76c5a42& this was the highest I've seen it go, for reference, with Queen's Ransom

[bleak night]

I think that's only like 900ish ?

[balmy oyster]

@tired fulcrum when do u swap to white antlers for your run

[civic ocean]

i'm wondering if it's a better multiplier to have more hp

[tired fulcrum]

I started antler then lucked into poseidon

[bleak night]

Also luck reliant, meaning I'd have to get a really good Life Affirmation off of Aphro out of the gate and find enough Centy Hearts/Souls

[civic ocean]

Yeah I think the dream build would be like

Get Aphro Demeter Poseidon in Erebus

[bleak night]

I've been at this since yesterday, so idm going back to the drawing board to test more builds for a revenge kill

[bleak night]

If I'm lucky ig

[civic ocean]

Get jacked off of those 3

take hera in oceanus and somehow get to coarse grit

[bleak night]

I'll give it a go, probs Aphro keepsake in Erebus

[civic ocean]

then take zeus in fields, spam as many zeus boons in fields and tart as you can, and then finish with the hera duo to jack up the revenge

[bleak night]

Does it work that way? Like, if I get Zeus past 3rd he'll appear more ?

I'm unsure about the softcap mechanics still

[civic ocean]

You get one likely appearance

from the keepsake

[bleak night]

How do I get enough Zeus boons then, I wonder

For Ransom to be good enough, that is

[civic ocean]

The hope would be that Aph and Poseidon get kicked from the pool by Hera and Zeus and you spam earth for CG and as many zeus boons as you can

[forest veldt]

u can luck into 2 boons if u get boss or do zues encounter last and echo

[fading swallow]

should i build around zeus on a torch build

[bleak night]

Theories on god appearance pools via keepsake for a meme Chronos fight where I stand still and have him kill himself on damage return, we really need that new content and weapon huh LOL

[fading swallow]

hated playing ranged weapons in hades 1, so trying these new ones out now

[bleak night]

Play Pink Aura and never look back

[civic ocean]

idk im having fun dying on Charon over and over again until I stop sucking at axe

[fading swallow]

explain.

[bleak night]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1238124170282532944/1240872146708860978/Pink_Aura.mp4?ex=664823be&is=6646d23e&hm=e81b12c902b855b93943cebb47e9a1e50ce6b7bdeced326e70d33f5ba6415d99&

[tender flint]

still cant win on aspect of momus or circe

[grizzled quail]

What were your Pacts?

[fading swallow]

consider my interest piqued

(how the hell did you do that)

[civic ocean]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/e/2PACX-1vS73iWzIxaOupBwoVUJPjxtmSJEtrlTnLh9GFJzTYblncgPo7Ka1J08JG7r-4k6qEPwOJWH_xfp4al2/pubhtml step by step on two 32 fear builds

[bleak night]

Aphro/Apollo/Hera.
Aphro Special, Apollo legendary, Hera mana regen, Aphro Hearthrobs + Aphro/Apollo duo

[fading swallow]

that is so funny thank you
but i will never be lucky enough to get the legendary

[bleak night]

It's all luck, yeah, but as long as you know the reqs you'll have a good chance to get it

[balmy oyster]

#h2-victory-boasting message
i couldnt paste a screenshot of the pacts in this channel, you'll have to refer to the pre-run video

around 13:33

[honest lodge]

bonkers bro

[civic ocean]

have you won a run yet?

[fading swallow]

i've won like 5 yeah

[civic ocean]

then you can turn oin Vow of Forasking and if you follow the requirements in the boon book and take rerolls getting legendaries is EZ

[tender flint]

this is crazy

[grizzled quail]

Thanks for the link, I am good up to 24, wanted to see what other fear pacts other people were taking

[tough vapor]

Sometimes I feel very loved by this game giving me the exact tools for a perfect build
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/900387359932174442/1241653011240194109/image.png?ex=664afafa&is=6649a97a&hm=189ea7f2e109688d320a22f0c108648cf743d54939d2afadeb59e0ac1d34cc12&

Litterally only thing I could want is lightning lance

[tender flint]

i feel literally insane what am I doing wrong for momus it feels pure rng for me when it works or when it doesnt. it feels like dooky when you dont have any boons or a bad start

[forest veldt]

the vow that removes 2 unpicked boons rly helps getting legendaries and duos. mb didnt see east

[fading swallow]

wait there are reqs for legendaries? holy hell thank you sm

[grizzled quail]

Has anyone tested to see how short we can get the cool down for Hephaestus?

[fading swallow]

i honestly didnt even think to check the boon info thingy since i got it in the cauldron

[tired fulcrum]

2 seconds

[honest lodge]

I got attack to 5 secs once

2 secs is crazy.

[balmy oyster]

that vow that removes 2 unpicked boons almost cucked me, because i was deep into my run when i took a zeus, and it can either replace my poseidon special OR my demeter freeze cast. i had no choice but to remove the freeze instead

[grizzled quail]

Dang so all those poms wasted to try to get it to 1 second xD

[forest veldt]

yup thats only time where can be rough, need to watch out for that. having rolls and going for the god u want the duo/leg from makes easier to manage

[balmy oyster]

but from unananas run being 10 mins, i think antlers is the only way to go

[forest veldt]

u rly dont need much. take pos keepsake, get his special and hope for double special hammer or any special hammer. rest is whatever u can find. if u dont get double special on first hammer can just reset if having problems w/ runs

[forest veldt]

antler is rly good if can manage it, dont think anything comes close

[tender flint]

this has been the biggest issue even with pos keepsake 7/10 starts FOR SOME REASON are selene like I never get her for runs that I use crap ton of mana but the run with ZERO MANA i get 4 boons of hers in tarturas and no hammers till fricking cerby

[ionic moon]

is everyone playing antler just doing it on momus or pan?

[forest veldt]

can always get unlucky, if bad run just die and hope for better next one. no need to waste time if bad start

[balmy oyster]

no idea for others, but im going with no mana, so i dont play with pan

[tender flint]

bro im on run 30 of trying to win I with staff I just want to win with staff once its the only weapon I have not this has been hell I feel like sysiphus

[forest veldt]

think most builds just use antler, not sure what else competes

[tough vapor]

Sometimes I think its a lil easy to keep getting the same boons, like, my last 3 runs ive gotten all the right boons to the point I rarely had to think about what I wanted, it was just brainrotted apollo cast, zues special, supernova cast, and then cakewalk the bosses

[tender flint]

i wish my luck was like urs

[tired fulcrum]

If you hate it that much do seeded poseidon starts or something

[lusty heron]

With fear ?

[tender flint]

this has just got to be the worst rng for this weapon I have never seen 3-4 selene boons in tartarus ever but the one weapon that requires zero mana I get it 4 times

[tender flint]

32 everyone says its good so Im trying it

[lusty heron]

Ah ok well yeah for 32 fear youll have to deal with rng

[tired fulcrum]

That or antler

[lusty heron]

If you just wanted a staff chronos kill you could do it without that fear level and alot less rng

[balmy oyster]

i attempted 32 fear on about 10 runs before i cleared it, without antlers

[quaint dawn]

Does 0/0 mana (100% mana primed) count as having 100% mana for the Huntress arcana?

[tender flint]

im just getting really bad luck pretty much

[tender flint]

yeah

[balmy oyster]

the following may help you:

1. no extra foes, no enemies from next region, no revenants
2. 40% faster, 300% extra dmg from first hit, 2 shields

[tender flint]

I have the 40% faster and 2 shiels plus everything on number 1

[balmy oyster]

then either u go with 7 mins, and more hp/foes, or u go with 5 mins but will need good rng in first area

[dawn cape]

Man, sorceress is kinda game-defining for how it works, but even then I've had some successful runs where I wasn't using it for the sake of "the final boss is just gonna ignore it anyways"

Probably gonna turn it back on now that I have 30 grasp and can fit in the last point of my build

[jovial cove]

I think the only one I've done that with so far is eos torches. It doesn't really do anything with attack spam

[copper sun]

what a goofy build. imagine what Chronos was thinking

[green wren]

apollo orbital laser is troll in chronos fight i cant see him at all

[brisk geyser]

he def had a heart attack

[jovial cove]

I do like that the final boss trains you to get good without the slowdown.

[grizzled quail]

Agreed

It's also super flavorful

[tired fulcrum]

I wish there was a channeling speed alternative

[devout mortar]

how do u know how much scorch u have on>?

I dont see a number and the hestia stack 300 for dmg seems like.. a lot of stacks lol

[forest veldt]

wym? like more options to have shorter channels that cast w/ less power?

[forest veldt]

dont think can see stacks, dmg is at bottom of char

[vague current]

any ideas of what to do with the skull weapon

[devout mortar]

any idea how fast the cast circle scorch applies then..?

[tired fulcrum]

Like if instead of timeslow you could use an arcana that increased channeling speed

[forest veldt]

ah ic, ya could be cool

[tired fulcrum]

Because timeslow effectively increases channeling speed against anything thats not chronos

[forest veldt]

not sure sry, may be same as normal which is every 0.25

[tired fulcrum]

Cast applies it like once a second i think it says somewhere in the description

[tired fulcrum]

Thats the amount of stacks

[forest veldt]

oh ya sry, scorch is evry 1 sec, but it ticks evry 0.25

pretty sure its the dmg left

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah which is the same as amount of stacks?

[forest veldt]

i guess, thought stacks were number of ticks but not sure on wording

[civic ocean]

is that confirmed tick rate

[forest veldt]

think so, tried w/ zeus change to 30 and was 120 total instead of 20

[civic ocean]

I want to know what happens the higher level of scorch though

Does it tick for more or tick faster

[forest veldt]

ticks wouldn't change, dmg per instance does

scorch is over 1 sec, unless get support that increases rate

[tired fulcrum]

What about with 40 though

[forest veldt]

would just be 10 per tick, so still 120 after aq

[ashen timber]

tbh, Im kinda impressed I made it this far with only the one boon. Let's see how far I can take it

[civic ocean]

is that confirmed now then

[ashen timber]

forgot to link the image, lol

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1241219084943626294/1241662901782319164/image.png?ex=664b0430&is=6649b2b0&hm=9376057d5fec1b35ceaab5f218867bb7994acddd750208eeeb381917d6f35b29&

[forest veldt]

i think so, not sure if most reliable source tho if anyone wants to double check

[tired fulcrum]

Actually how are you seeing the damage

[civic ocean]

But wait how does it work if there are two different sources of scorch, like if I hit someone with a special that does 30/sec and a cast that does 40/sec, is it ticking twice

[forest veldt]

there is a dps mod that lets u see how much, can check again

[forest veldt]

i think they add the time to each other, not sure tho

[tender flint]

ok quick question wtf is the point of the erebus barriers you unlock if almost any meelee enemy can hit you through it like there is zero point for them

[gleaming iris]

Multiple sources of scorch sums up

[devout mortar]

is controlled burn good? i feel like i dont understand it when i have it ol

[gleaming iris]

Boon that makes enemies burn faster?, ye its good especially on high hp mobs if you can stack scorch fast

[gleaming iris]

It can block projectiles and also pushes melee enemies away

[civic ocean]

but that doesn't make any sense though, if one is burning for 30 a second and the other is burning for 40 a second does it burn for 70 a second or does it keep burning

It obviously seems like the latter since the number can get so high, so which damage rate does it use?

[forest veldt]

i think it does 30 over 1 sec and then 40 over 1 sec, but hard to be sure. 2 sec total

[gleaming iris]

Each burn has it own DMG tick , but the damage you see on mob is summed

[civic ocean]

okay those are two wildly different pieces of information with huge implications

[forest veldt]

lol if they r confident then i fold

[still fjord]

https://youtu.be/m6xkrfGZYqQ this has to be the most satisfying interaction of 2 boons in the game xD

[timber fractal]

Does extra dose where you have a chance of hitting 2 times apply to the axe omega attack?

[timber fractal]

From apollo

[tired fulcrum]

Uh does it say "attack" or "attacks"

[forest veldt]

its attack so only attack. attacks is for both

[timber fractal]

"Your attack has a chance of hitting 2 times"

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah nope then

[forest veldt]

dyno going crazy

[timber fractal]

dang that sucks

[forest veldt]

can just get his legendary for 2 omega attacks

[tender flint]

finally got to sirens with staff

[severe oasis]

scorch always does 40 damage per second if there is more than 40 damage accrued

[tired fulcrum]

Apollo legendary only increases number of spins on axe omega though

[tender flint]

Had a total 4 BOONS and 1 chaos literally why cant i get lucky

[forest veldt]

tru, so just makes longer. if using psychic it overlaps tho

[civic ocean]

but what about the scorch upgrades like an epic cast with pombs does more than 40 per second

[tired fulcrum]

I mean then you just have a bigger scorch stack

[civic ocean]

does it not actually deal the scorch dps it says on the boon then?

[tired fulcrum]

No it applies stacks of scorch which then deal the damage

[plain fossil]

it just adds the scorch that it says, the scorch falls off and deals damage at constant 40 dps

[severe oasis]

smoldering ring fact is on the accrual rate

[civic ocean]

but you can get smoldering ring up to like 60 right

[plain fossil]

yea and if u do that it just stacks 60 scorch each second which falls off at 40 per second, by the end of the cast theres some accumulated extra scorch that does 40 per second

[tired fulcrum]

You deal 60 stacks of scorch. Theyll be consumed over 1.5 seconds to then deal damage at 40 dps

[severe oasis]

yes so every second it accrues 60 and does 40 meaning that there is 20 surplus that is deferred

[eager pivot]

how exactly do i use zeus' main boons? it feels like an ares boon but with extra steps and just weaker imo

[plain fossil]

ye u can see it very clearly if u actually do this thing

[civic ocean]

and that 40 always deals its damage in 10 damage increments, which means that Air Quality is basically tripling Scorch's DPS?

it intuitively seems higher than that

[tired fulcrum]

Ngl if its only triple that seems kinda bad

Idk ill test it with the dps mod tomorrow or something

[plain fossil]

ive never tried because getting 5 air element with scorch build isnt something i would do unless i was like hardforcing this exact setup

if it comes up i'll test it tho

[forest veldt]

were u able to find it? on nexus

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah long time ago i just have it uninstalled cuz i couldnt find a way to toggle it

[forest veldt]

ya just need to uninstall/reinstall

[green wren]

Phase 2 chronos is meant to be easier than 1?

[stray fog]

It feels easier to me.

[forest veldt]

less hp i think but can be a bit more chaotic

[green wren]

yeah its super easy for me as well compared to phase 1

[stray fog]

I think it's because I am so exhausted by the time I get through phase 1. I'm just happy to get to phase 2.

I am ok w it being easier.

[green wren]

he spends half the fight in phase 2 afk casting a useless thing instead of phase 1 where he does le funny attack

[stray fog]

Yes! But they're cool set piece things I like to look at.

[green wren]

only time i felt cheesed was when an invis time bubble tapped my toe and i died to the insta kill attack

[severe oasis]

chronos doesn’t seem to combo as much in phase 2 and he stands still for all the moves added by phase 2

[stray fog]

What I came here to ask- do the trials count towards the Evil Eye boon or no? I noticed it stuck on Eris even though technically she didn't kill it was Polyphemus

[green wren]

the only combo ive seen him do in phase 2 was likely a bug considering he didnt even do the animation for the time bubbles he just insta cast it on top of me then did the insta kill attack

[forest veldt]

not sure, pretty sure it does affect echo boon from last night tho

[green wren]

like he had enough of that runs build clearly

[tall notch]

You've got to have some other damage capable of proccing it

[stray fog]

Oh really? That's so strange that it's not working w this then.

I did report it with f10. So hopefully that's all good.

[forest veldt]

might be unintended for echo, not sure what they want. i'd think it shouldn't count w/ how it alters and restores loadout but no clue

[green wren]

whats the funniest bug so far ? ive had one where chronos died in phase 1 during his vacuum attack and he insta turnrated to me and killed me inside his dialogue

[stray fog]

I used to regularly get stuck on the same damn corner in one of the Oceanus rooms. And then after the new patch it got fixed and I was shocked when I went through it.

And I was so surprised I got hit. 🤣

My instincts kicked in badly due to a lack of bug.

Im surprised at the lack of bugs I've experienced. I actually got out of bounds in the first room playing the Hades 1 EA back in the day.

[green wren]

chronos hitbox being weird for the knife omega ruined one of my early eris bane runs and i went to fix some food and they patched it out by the time i was back 😮

[tender flint]

which is better for momus rapid moonfire 20% faster +5 power for all specials or shimmering moonshot bounces up to two enemies and deals 10% extra dmg

[tired fulcrum]

Shimmering

[tender flint]

ok

[stray fog]

Shimmering! Bounces are good

[tender flint]

i will get a win with this weapon once

[stray fog]

Beat me to it lol.

[civic ocean]

k I dunno how anyone is meant to win on Charon against 40% faster enemies like I am kinda stumped

Anything with a ranged attack and you take 50 dmg before you can get the blast off

[forest veldt]

the delay between blocking and the special is brutal

demeter for chill cast maybe? pretty rng tho

[civic ocean]

I am actually going demeter on my strike and just playing Omega attack axe and going much deeper into the runs, like Tartarus deep

[forest veldt]

w/ charon?

[civic ocean]

but I cannot get the Ospecial off before I get ganked by like 15 skulls

yes

[forest veldt]

r u using the cast

[civic ocean]

yes

the problem is you can't get everything in the cast at once

[forest veldt]

ah so start demeter omega attack and transition into cast after?

[civic ocean]

yes

[forest veldt]

makes sense, u doing apollo?

[civic ocean]

and zeus

[forest veldt]

keepsakes on 2 and 3? or hoping for rng

[civic ocean]

Can usually get one in erebus but if not then yes

[forest veldt]

prob best bet honestly, the special hard to get going early

[civic ocean]

like on paper the build makes sense but I have to play out of my mind to not lose 3 DDs by Scylla and have either duo online

It does shred bosses tho

[forest veldt]

u doing demeter gain?

ya apollo zeus is pretty nice

[civic ocean]

I was but I think it is possibly too bad to even run here

its the only option tho

[forest veldt]

ya might be able to do apollo gain, odd playstyle w/ charon tho

[civic ocean]

yeah if I throw down a cast for mana and have to dodge, now I have no gain and no dmg because the cast sits there waving at the enemies

[forest veldt]

oh tru, the extra cast time kinda sucks for that

[green wren]

if banking time isnt a constraint for act1 just use embryo and hope your second role is a good one then when you swap it you keep it for the run

[civic ocean]

I need the god keepsakes for the duos

[green wren]

https://tenor.com/view/gambling-gamble-gambler-old-man-addiction-gif-13539663578305331391

[forest veldt]

have u tried forsaking for duo? haven't done yet but great for legendaries

[civic ocean]

It's not really gambling if you forsake yeah

[green wren]

keep rolling i believe

[civic ocean]

Any run that makes it to late fields gets both duos like 85% of the time

The problem is that Axe just gets absolutely rocked in oceanus and fields

[forest veldt]

ya its pretty nuts, seems more helpful than anything w/ how little boons u get and what ur fishing for

maybe ditch dem for hera then, can rely on cast for first 2 zones and get better gain

[civic ocean]

I don't think Glorious Disaster is enough to beat 32 chronos thop

[forest veldt]

nah hera, apollo, zeus instead of dem, apollo, zeus

[green wren]

heracles is way too common right ?

or is he meant to be in my every run topside

[civic ocean]

that's what I mean, I think I need Torrential Downpour's scaling to beat Chronos

[forest veldt]

he is pretty common from my runs, at least in the later ones

[forest veldt]

ah mb, ya i guess. haven't tried a ton but makes sense if longer fight. know that apollo zeus duo nuts so wasn't sure if was fine w/ just that

[civic ocean]

I think I just need to be less ass at the axe tbh

I keep taking like 60-150 damage that I know I could avoid if I wasn't a shtoop

[forest veldt]

its pretty rough tbf, its slow which makes the speed harder to play around

[civic ocean]

I know a lot of higher fear axe players go for coarse grit for a reason

[bleak night]

P much

[forest veldt]

ya know mynt likes hera dem w/ coarse

[civic ocean]

Charon is just so abysmally slowge

[forest veldt]

would u go hera dem w/ charon tho? or just not great at high fear

[civic ocean]

I would just play than then, I have Born Gain on my personal banlist tho alongside Momus and Poseidon

[forest veldt]

pan still open?

[queen charm]

you gotta get lucky with the 50% O-Special channeling hammer too

[civic ocean]

I play Pan no Poseidon ye

[forest veldt]

what spec boon?

[civic ocean]

None usually, sometimes Apollo

I think the 32 was Apollo ye

[forest veldt]

for the legendary?

[civic ocean]

Nah, I usually run Heph-Hestia-Hera

Spiteful Strength + Slow Cooker

[forest veldt]

ah, thats a nice combo

[civic ocean]

maybe I just have to cut artificer for damage on axe

it doesn't feel right

[forest veldt]

didnt like artificer when i tried, feels too much of a gamble for cost

[civic ocean]

Does Furies work with Omega casts

[forest veldt]

which is that

[civic ocean]

more damage to stuff inside casts

[forest veldt]

ya

[civic ocean]

I assume Solar Ring and Glorious Disaster don't

since they go off when the cast expires

[forest veldt]

works w/ solar ring, assume glorious as well

[civic ocean]

how is that possible the cast is literally gone

[forest veldt]

its not gone, it detonates after

[civic ocean]

doesn't solar ring explicitly say it goes off after the omega cast detonates

Yeah "after your Omega cast expires, rapidly deal damage in the area for 2 sec

[forest veldt]

i mean u can check urself if u want

[civic ocean]

I don't have the mod, do you have a link

[forest veldt]

https://www.nexusmods.com/hades2?tab=popular+(all+time)

[civic ocean]

I guess I can just test it with apollo start

[bleak night]

Dps meter

[forest veldt]

u shouldn't need for that tbh, can just look at dmg total

[civic ocean]

do I need the mod importer

[forest veldt]

ya there are prereqs that should be listed when u go to download

[hollow crypt]

anyone have any tips for beating Trial of Haste? I can't seem to get enough damage to clear the rooms and Cerbie fast enough

[civic ocean]

aight I guess ill add this later

[forest veldt]

again, should be able to check wo/ but its nice mod if u want to do dmg tests in future

[hollow crypt]

do I just try to highroll get Double Moonshot?

[civic ocean]

Yeah I think I can check without just by getting solar ring and checking dmg

actually @bleak night do you already know the answer to this question

[bleak night]

What's up?

[civic ocean]

Does Furies Arcana boost the dmg of Solar Ring if Charon detonates it

[bleak night]

I haven't really compared, but it would make sense for it to do so since those targets are still in the casts

[civic ocean]

intuitively I'd say no because solar ring explicitly says after the cast expires

[bleak night]

Way I see it, if I can't throw out a new cast, the old one is still active

[civic ocean]

It's probably still worth it because the special and omega cast should go off?

[bleak night]

Else I'd be able to set down a new one

[civic ocean]

hurgh I AM gonna have to test this before I can sleep

[bleak night]

Lmk how it works if you do pls

[forest veldt]

i mean it does, but feel free to test

[knotty fulcrum]

hi @bleak night what's up? You finished the testaments right?

[bleak night]

Probs run the dps meter mod for test

[bleak night]

Yep, the last 2 got fixed earlier

[forest veldt]

dont need bc shows total dmg at end of cast

[bleak night]

Well, yesterday.

[knotty fulcrum]

Nice. Could you tell me how you did chronos for blades and skull. Kinda having a hard time

[civic ocean]

all of the erebus enemies die before they get hit by solar ring sadly

It's 230 am so imma just say for now that I need Furies to kill Hecate faster

[bleak night]

Not the best to ask for Blades, but I did Persephone for Skull and relied on Aphro Omega Special + Zeus Attack and play it safe

[civic ocean]

Furies and Death and I'll try swifty to see if I can GTFO of omega special faster

[bleak night]

In general, when playing Persephone, pretend your glory meter doesn't exist because it won't help you as much by leaving it charging

Keep using Omega Special

[knotty fulcrum]

Ah ok I also did that do beat eris with skulls. I'll have to try it on chronos too

[bleak night]

For Blades, probs Pan Poseidon is safe

[civic ocean]

how do you not take a billion damage from everything with a ranged attack playing axe

[bleak night]

I did mine with Artemis Blades and Aphro, and I just kept jumping behind targets far from the grouped up enemies

[knotty fulcrum]

That's what I'm trying but I just always lose at least one death defiance in erebus and one in the third floor. Ig I just have to get good

[bleak night]

I tend to decide when to go in and when not to, most of what I look at is the state of the game, see what enemies can chase me faster when I run away, then when they're also separated I'll go for the kill on what are tailing me. If the spot is tight, I dash in and use my defensive cast or I will whittle down with Omega Special or Omega Cast

[civic ocean]

you do this but clear erebus in under 7 minutes at 43? sheesh

[bleak night]

Yep, you gotta also gotta get lucky

[civic ocean]

I can't do it at 32 yet with charon

without taking like 150 dmg

[bleak night]

And those shield taps will help a lot because blue hearts are your worst nightmare

So you must find a way to quickly remove them

[civic ocean]

I play with the blue hearts off at 32

[delicate spindle]

Spiral Knives or Hook knives hammer for the Sister blades?

[bleak night]

In general, Axe is trash in Erebus at high fear, no way around it. Gotta train your animation cancels and play like a sugar or cocaine addled opportunist

[knotty fulcrum]

also if I use pan poseidon is hook knives still the best hammer? Idk what the interaction is

[civic ocean]

maybe I need to turn shields and revs on and turn down the dmgh

if my understanding is right Hook Knives is best on blades

[bleak night]

You also need sorceress or you're kinda useless

[civic ocean]

it's over doubling your dmg

yeah I run sorc, I think I'm gonna try a higher % attack start so the spin can clear

[bleak night]

Give it a go, it'll be painful at the start, but you kinda get used to being weak pre-Oceanus

[knotty fulcrum]

this I know but since poseidon doesn't give you +damage% idk if it's that good

[bleak night]

Only real way you do well in Erebus is if you luck into Demeter cast

[jolly bramble]

no, the cast ring stays until the entirey of solar ring finishes you can see the interaction fighting the orange brutes in tartarus

[civic ocean]

I've been forcing the strike since I'm playing Glorious

[bleak night]

Gotta commit some dds early on if you have trouble clearing in 7 min

[civic ocean]

Ah okay then maybe I was just being stupid not playing furies and death

Too greedy

[bleak night]

I lose quite a bit on high Fear Axe, it's too dependent on good rng

[civic ocean]

I feel like 32 is okay no

[bleak night]

More so than the rest of the weaps