h2-builds-and-combat

[jolly bramble]

imo thanatos benefits the most with apollo attack just for the increased attack range

[timber pawn]

Than is good but apparently bugged with some of the whirlwind hammers

[hollow crypt]

I think either that or Dem for the Freeze just to stop being hit mid-combo

[jolly bramble]

advancing whirldind is just at a terrible spot

[brisk geyser]

my slow self beat the trial of haste

[jolly bramble]

since youre staggering the enemies already, you dont need the freeze. unless you do it on your cast so you have a safe spot while charging

[hollow crypt]

I was doing stack up crit then regular attacks

for that playstyle the delay between swings is enough to get hit by random bs

[jolly bramble]

after you freeze them with your spin, you wont be freezing them again immediately. it could be a dps lost but hells if im gonna count

[hollow crypt]

I think it'd make sense for armour to protect you from any effects that are "on taking damage"

[delicate spindle]

Can someone tell me how skull aspect of persephone works?

the glory doesnt seem to do anything

[chilly swift]

Does anybody here know if the Death Defiances granted by Luckier Tooth and Toula count as Death Defiances for the purpose of the Last Gasp Hades boon (the one that gives you +10% damage per spent Death Defiance)?

[calm arch]

I don't know if it's just me but i feel like i am dying a lot more after the new patch

[calm arch]

it would be pretty funny if all those things counted because of medea's malice in kind boon, you could literally kill eris by dying if you had all 7 DDs

[spare kite]

Charges slow af for now, stuff that hits quick/decent dmg like zeus cast helps

[chilly swift]

That would be crazy, hah! Good thing Hades isn't on the Surface

[delicate spindle]

how do you activate the effect?

[calm arch]

is persephone based on number of hits or damage dealt?

[jolly bramble]

when the glory activates, your special can "surf" a short distance after the initial range. you gain glory by dealing damage

[calm arch]

no, but medea malice in kind is better than hades's boon

it deals 15% max hp damage to anyone that kills you

[chilly swift]

Oh man, forgot just how strong that is, wow!

[knotty fulcrum]

I have to beat eris with the skull. Can someone recommend a build?

[calm arch]

flutter flourish

[spare kite]

With enough meter, use your Ω special (the minimum to use seems like 15%-25%)

[calm arch]

spam omega special and take born gain if you can

best hammer to take is twisting crash (obviously)

[spare kite]

I wanna say is both? Like calls in H1 but at some point dmg falls off for charging

[knotty fulcrum]

what aspect? well ig its obvious

[jolly bramble]

try getting hestia scorch sprint and laugh in the face of eris

[calm arch]

probably not Medea

[stoic tinsel]

it turns out that torches with no boons cannot clear TD1

[knotty fulcrum]

ok thanks ill try

[stoic tinsel]

this is horribly embarrassing

[calm arch]

it's safer if you dash to the side of enemies and hit them with the projectiles

so medea doesn't work well with that playstyle

[jolly bramble]

medea works best with full salvo, no? single tap on attack then charge special to unleash all the damage asap

[calm arch]

i wish you could load the skulls while dashing like in hades 1

does air quality really make scorch do 30 times as much damage? i have to try this myself

[jolly bramble]

supposedly, yes

i havent seen it work just yet

im to... averse on taking hestia boons to try

[red island]

Is Crystal Figurine able to activate a 0 grasp Arcana Cards?

[calm arch]

it's so funny that if you take that build fire extinguisher is a run ender

[calm arch]

imagine if it activated judgement that would be insanely broken

[red island]

That's what I'm wondering

[jolly bramble]

who knows

[spare kite]

Circe's item that does the same as an npc encounter can at least

[jolly bramble]

its not appealing to test tbh

[brittle prairie]

It can and it has for me twice, but its inconsistent

its cobsistent if its your only card of the rarity tier the keepsake activates

[calm arch]

one of circe's spells can technically give you 30 extra grasp

[brittle prairie]

so technically if you ranked every other unactivated card up 1 rank and judgement to 2 ranks then it would always pick judgement

[calm arch]

wtf, that's actually busted

[red island]

This is what I'm wondering. If I have Judgement as the only card of that level that's inactive. Then I was thinking in theory it should activate and then after the next two bosses the newly activated Judgement card would then unlock the rest of the cards right?

[brittle prairie]

It requires a NG file dedicated to it so not that busted

[brittle prairie]

yes

[calm arch]

in hades 1 there weren't many things that required you to not unlock things in order to be op though

the main one i can think of is those ridiculous level 1 guan yu builds

[spare kite]

The only real use for a new file in H1 was hell mode really

[brittle prairie]

if there was an equivalejt to the mirror reset in hades 2 itd be busted

[spare kite]

People figured out that you could avoid unlocking fishing to have slightly better charon well odds too lmao
But is banned tech for speed/heat

[red island]

I've actually been hoping we would get that since I didn't want to dump resources into some upgrades

[calm arch]

with level 1 guan yu you could stubborn defiance suicide on a trap and it would give you max call instantly because you took like 300% max hp damage

[spare kite]

Ah yeah jesus christ strats for charon%

[bleak night]

Speaking of Charon

I miss fighting him

[mystic bison]

Not bad for a first time Pan run, Kronos phase 2 was over in 10 seconds https://i.imgur.com/tY8aW4O.png

[civic ocean]

The true value of air quality scorch is somewhere between 5.3x and 30x. Hestia's Number, if you will

[torpid meteor]

the most consistent build I have put together so far for myself has been aspect of melenoe axe + quick charge omega attack hammer + apollo attack.
The condition of getting the right hammer pulls down how consistently I can actually get it built, but it just turns you into a blender that can very consistently fully stunlock entire encounters. It was also what resulted in my first win.

[chilly swift]

What do you guys feel is the strongest Aspect for the daggers?

[civic ocean]

At the moment it is considered Pan

[ember portal]

i've no clue what i'm doing

[civic ocean]

So like the rest of us then

[timber pawn]

I had a funny mana regen synergy the other day, lucid cast + demeter boon that makes omega cast follow you

[civic ocean]

That's not funny thats honestly one of the best regen strats in the game

[jolly bramble]

pan is defo easier to build. artemis can chunk up to smth like 5k but takes so many boons

[grizzled timber]

curious to know, whats u guys' arcana setup? here's mine (unsure about the boatman, feels way too overpriced) https://imgur.com/a/j0Mn4Ns

[civic ocean]

Arcana setups are aspect dependent so it's hard to say

[grizzled timber]

ive been running the same every time

[jolly bramble]

dont ask, but here
https://imgur.com/a/Tj42Gwd

[grizzled timber]

interesting, ive yet to try the low life one

[jolly bramble]

apparently its 30%, not flat 30

[grizzled timber]

wait its -50% dmg at max?

half dmg at 30% health puts u at 60% effective healthjust stack health and tank

[jolly bramble]

-50% damage taken and +50% damage dealt

at 30%hp

meanwhile i kept myslelf at 30hp for white antler and misreading strength

[shadow marsh]

probably still worth it cause white antler is like 80% more effective damage

[forest mortar]

stole your screenshot but here's mine https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1237107738379817092/1241056721821237288/image.png?ex=6648cfa4&is=66477e24&hm=633bdacd1bc98f4f2512faf5a3111b696d685cfc76df6ed7cb9cb92ef582d517&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=409&height=525

[civic ocean]

If you start with Titan and Frinos and take damage down to 30 you will get Antler and Strength

[jolly bramble]

i have no want to calculate damage

[civic ocean]

Average Torch player

Still wondering if I'm meant to cut Origination from the Apollo Heartthrob build

[coarse gyro]

Torch players when they deal 150 dmg (they had to sell their house to get enough mana)

[timber pawn]

Origination is so strong I can't imagine cutting it for any builds? Since you can get weak/daze with that setup

[civic ocean]

You like can't though because of the vow

[forest mortar]

their torch will have to keep them warm now that they dont have a house

[slate zodiac]

Listen, I respect your desire to gamble but the lack of combat Arcana makes me itchy

[civic ocean]

You need to get Nova Flourish, Lucid Gain, and one of Super Nova or the 2x attack boon

By then you have almost certainly punted Daze from the pool

[calm arch]

what

[jolly bramble]

it took me around 7 tries, but i finished chronos with that page on fear 20

[jolly bramble]

he means it dependent on how much scorch you can stack and the boons all have different numbers on how fast they stack scorch

[calm arch]

does anyone feel that aspect of momus is just too weak? ||because you're wrong||

[spare kite]

Lol, lmao

[civic ocean]

Unananas did a test using mods where it looked like 168 Scorch did around 900 damage to Skelly which is 5.3x or so but anecdotally I have dealt over 100k scorch damage at 32 fear despite not using a scorch move until Scylla so it seems higher

[brittle prairie]

wait thats huge

[timber pawn]

Ah fair enough, huh. Ya I guess if it's doing you no good

[calm arch]

why would you need someone to tell you this lol

[brittle prairie]

I didnt think to do it

[calm arch]

of course you can be below 30% hp and below 30 flat hp at the same time

[brittle prairie]

Im moreso talking about the convenience of Frinos+Titan right away hitting both thresholds

[civic ocean]

Fronos monkaS grandpa frog

[calm arch]

you can also do that with the base hp and take dmg down to 8hp

[brittle prairie]

yeah but thats a lot ruskier and not utilizing yhe 50% Damage Reduction

[civic ocean]

If you take two god keepsakes you can go Antler in fields and prime your hp on the thorns while not affecting Vow of Desperation

[calm arch]

hey, if you have exactly 9 hp and coarse grit you can tank one hit with strength 😂

[shadow marsh]

I had an air quality scorch build and it still felt kinda weak, am I stupid?

[calm arch]

well if you think about it fires make air quality worse

[civic ocean]

You do have to be able stack up the scorch fairly well

[half kindle]

Hi guys! Sorry for interrumpting, I'm new here and idk if this is the right channel to ask this but I'm kinda confused.

I just did another run, and when I defeated || Scylla and the Sirens|| I just received 4 arcana cards. Not that I'm complaining, I just don't know which boon did that... Because that never happened before, and I don't have equiped the Keepsake that does usually does this (and to my understanding, even the keepsake just give me one)... Any ideas?

[calm arch]

judgement arcana?

[shadow marsh]

Arcana 25 Judgement

[calm arch]

i prefer 30 grasp builds over judgement builds because i'm bad at the game

[shadow marsh]

I had the scorch cast so it was constantly ticking, but I was still doing way more dps with momus aphrodite special, didn't even have double moonshot

[half kindle]

Oh... I just read it. I got the Judgement with the keepsake in Erebus, then in the Ocean it gave me the other 4...

Thanks! Sorry, i was so confused haha, it's kinda hard to remember all the arcanas, and keepsakes, and boons...

[civic ocean]

Well yeah it's not like incredibly surprising, Momus Aph special does what 200-300 a hit?

[calm arch]

does anyone else like that dagger hammer that makes your omega attack do +500% dmg

[shadow marsh]

yeah, I was doing more damage with demeter cyclones than I was with scorch though, I think it's an issue with how Air quality interacts with scorch.

[shadow marsh]

once of the best hammers in the game, esp with artemis blades

[jolly bramble]

i swear this is such a pain to complete
https://imgur.com/a/2NnzH26

[spare kite]

Seems fun with arty aspect

[civic ocean]

Demeter cyclones also interact with air quality though, so they likely do comparable damage

[calm arch]

just get cyclone support boon on scorch cast

[brittle prairie]

tbh it wasnt actually that bad to get all the resources for of you used your membership cardsvwell

[calm arch]

i am stuck at 29 grasp because i have no idea how to get D-ness

[spare kite]

Visit chaos, gather by hand

[civic ocean]

Chaos on the ground

[shadow marsh]

That's what I'm saying, though. The way scorch works should be nuts with air quality, but it's worse than cyclones which are imo easier to work into the build

[calm arch]

i have a lot of the chaos mining resource and the chaos plants but no darkness

[shadow marsh]

Chaos will start handing it out, you need a certain dialogue with him before he'll give it

[civic ocean]

I don't think it's worse so much as it is like a set floor for damage

Like you can deal more damage than it with the super broken stuff like Momus, but if you try to do like 32 Mel Staff you will definitely notice scorch doing work if you can stack it up

[calm arch]

i got the one that i used for something

tfw aq scorch cyclone support fire chain lightning build

[civic ocean]

That's usually what I do aside from the cyclones, since at 32 you usually die in erebus with no aph start

[calm arch]

the game doesn't let us pom air quality, cowards

[spare kite]

Infusions being pommable sounds hilarious

[faint oyster]

How do you trigger the heal boost on the Momus Staff?

[civic ocean]

Coarse grit reducing dmg to like 8

[faint oyster]

I don't think it's all too clear, and it's hard to test on Skelly

[civic ocean]

You have to be under 50%

[shadow marsh]

I do think early game scorch is disrespected. Hestia cast alone gets you to fields no problem

[spare kite]

Me when every fire element gives me like 6 power

[wet nova]

Coarse grit to max lvl, dodge quality + daze + the healing boon basically immortal

[faint oyster]

Like, you get it from killing an enemy with a charged special right?

[brittle prairie]

with all the new infusions and duo boons part of me feels like boons only having 3 options is somewhat restrictive

[wet nova]

Hestia cast is unironically the best supporting cast for me (after Demeter)

[shadow marsh]

If infusions were pommable I think the only balanced way to do it would be level 2 requires 1 less element, level 3 2 less, etc.

[wet nova]

The freeze/slow just helps once the cast is over so you don’t get rushed on that tiny gap cast isn’t up

[faint oyster]

Demeter being able to proc two curses at the same time is so good.

[ember portal]

aphro pretty good on the daggers

[civic ocean]

It's better usually, if I'm going for AQ I want as much Zeus and Aph as possible alongside my like 2 hestia boons so random Heras or smth would dilute the build

[spare kite]

The only issue rn with boon menus for me is getting the core I want

[shadow marsh]

Maybe if they upped the number of choices from 3 to 4, the vow that makes the unpicked stuff go away forever would actually be a downside

[north vortex]

What are the best arcana to upgrade?

[shadow marsh]

right now it's basically all upside

[civic ocean]

I think that vow is a bigger problem than it seems on certain builds

[chilly dagger]

anyone else hate the flames or

[mellow aspen]

trial of heartache feels so terrible

[civic ocean]

It makes it hard to get legendaries for instance

[shadow marsh]

That's only an issue if you're trying to go for that kinda stuff, but if you're going for a specific legendary you should just turn it off anyways

For general clears it's basically free fear

[civic ocean]

Idk I don't think you can ever turn it off atm

[shadow marsh]

Trial of heartache was the hardest trial by far. The doom one and speed one only took one reset each, but heartache took me like 5 tries

[civic ocean]

But like if I want to do Mel Torches 32 no born gain I kinda have to go Apollo+Aph and it's basically impossible to get the Apollo legendary if I start Aph, so it changes the starting build a bit

[shadow marsh]

That speaks more about the problems with torches than it does with the vow. Once we get extreme measures it'll be easier to tailor a 32 fear for torches

[civic ocean]

Yeah but then I'll want to play at 40 or whatever right

Another problem with going for Apollo + Heartthrobs is you end up priming all of your mana

[restive merlin]

can you guys help with builds with sisters weapon and the omega attack?

[civic ocean]

Sure, what are your thoughts?

[restive merlin]

not matter how broken(i think) i got either with hammer or with hephastus i coudn't deal that much damage to chronos and i would end up taking a lot of damage, i once died thrice without even killing 1st phase

survivability is my worse enemy with this weapon

[shadow marsh]

have you unlocked weapon aspects? Artemis blades help a lot

[restive merlin]

i use that yes

[civic ocean]

Do you think the survivability is because of the build, or because you're not yet used to timing your dodges to avoid Chronos' attacks?

[restive merlin]

50/50, chronos can be nasty but the i think the fact that i can't dodge mid combo is deadly

[shadow marsh]

Remember you can dash while channeling your omega attack.also you're invincible while your omega attack is moving you through chronos. it helps to wait until he's about to attack, and use the omega attack to get behind his attack.

[civic ocean]

You also can dash mid combo!

[wild pine]

I don't actually think it would be all that good

[restive merlin]

and charging omega only without combo takes a lot of time enough for him to hit me and he hits hard

[restive merlin]

don't think i can inside the last flurry , but i defenetly couldn't dodge a lot of times ,not sure at what part of the combo

[calm arch]

i know this is a skill issue but i am struggling with trial of flame too

All the chaos trials make me feel like "i have a supposedly op build with heroic boons, why is my build so garbage"

[devout yarrow]

does cast damage percent increase damage from zeus cast

[shadow marsh]

trial of flame just takes patience. Remember to use your cast liberally.

[shadow marsh]

yes

[civic ocean]

Okay, well, if you want to balance damage and survivability, my recommendation would be:

-Start Aphrodite and take her Attack boon for damage
-From there add Demeter and either Hephastus or Poseidon to your god pool (use rerolls and avoid gods that aren't those)
-Take every available Centaur Heart you can

You're looking for the combination of Life Affirmation and Hearty Appetite, so that your damage scales up based on your max HP. Then you can either add Water Fitness from Poseidon, whose Double Up can also be good to increase the value of Centaur Hearts, or you can add Mint Condition and Uncanny Fortitude from Hephastus to further bulk you up and try to get 6 Earth to unlock Demeter's Coarse Grit.

That build will make you incredibly tanky, and scale off of your HP and Mana pools

[restive merlin]

do any of these gods give faster omega charge?

[civic ocean]

Omega charge is limited to Hammers and Chaos, I believe

I am not sure if Hermes' "your _____ is 15% faster" boons also apply to Omega charge times.

[restive merlin]

good,and i use the tooth or the limited revive artifact ,are those good enough?

or should i use the god's artifacts?

also i think the super fast magick regen is amazing

[wise idol]

It does

[civic ocean]

Start with the Aph god keepsake first

Then I'd use the other god keepsakes - this game has a 3 god pool, so it's quite worth to make sure you get the 3 you want

[restive merlin]

so aph+heph+hammer+poseidon=>demeter good?

[civic ocean]

Aph+Demeter are the two core gods for Hearty Appetite

[shadow marsh]

also, for builds like the sister blades omega attack build that rely on a certain hammer, in the fields of despair, remember to always take the hammer last in an area, because if you take a hammer then go to echo, there's a chance she'll give you another hammer.

[slim cloud]

Aph/Demeter is very nice to play. Keeps you healthy throughout the run

[civic ocean]

You can also try your luck at Experimental Hammer, though obviously if it lands on "you cannot use your omega attack" you're going to be pretty sad.

[shadow marsh]

You can't get that hammer on artemis blades

[civic ocean]

I wonder if it's worth a feedback post to take Origin Helix off of Mel Torches

probably not

[spare kite]

The other day I messed up at fields and took hammer first but my last reward was selene's hex and so she couldn't dup it lmao
So she gave hammer anyways

[glad crag]

https://imgur.com/a/42nVcnu

i did it!

[shadow marsh]

Nice job!

[glad crag]

gonna do olympus 32 heat next

[shadow marsh]

I had more trouble doing olympus than underworld on 32 but I might just be stupid

[lament kestrel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/767888352019873842/1241070467586981969/image.png?ex=6648dc71&is=66478af1&hm=181add245cbdf365fe539776287e819a788de3822b073f96653404ca8e92babe& will this gain dmg throughout the chronos fight

[shadow marsh]

yes

[lament kestrel]

aesome

[slim cloud]

If you have and DD to use, yep

[civic ocean]

it's honestly a lot less damage than you think

[lament kestrel]

yeah thx, thought it might be already spend DDs

[slim cloud]

Both 🙂

[lament kestrel]

its better than the other 2, & I want it for the fated list

[civic ocean]

yeye

[jolly bramble]

i mean 20% is as strong as tall order, and you dont have to look for 4 elements. if you somehow get 5 death defiances, thats 50% damage on the course of the fight

[wispy pilot]

Curious, could anyone explain why runners are going Poseidon special? Is the knockback important? Wouldn’t something like Aphrodite be better for damage scaling?

[jolly bramble]

its because momus is broken with poseidon special

[shadow marsh]

it makes your damage AoE, and adds flat damage

With posideon legendary it makes each splash do like 200 damage plus whatever your actual special damage is to bosses

add double moonshot hammer to literally double your dps

[wet nova]

There’s a bunch of additive multipliers in this game with barely any multiplicative, so flat damage like Poseidon can add a decent chunk

[shadow marsh]

I think aphro can do more dps, but it's much less safe

[wet nova]

Just get Poseidon aphro duo

[jolly bramble]

aphrodite, hera, apollo and demeter would like a word

[shadow marsh]

posideon you can sit back with white antler and laugh

[wet nova]

Aren’t all attack boons additive I thought

[civic ocean]

those are all additive multipliers

[wet nova]

Like multiplicative afaik is only crits

[jolly bramble]

ok, i mixed additive multiplier and flat damage. my bad

[wet nova]

By taking Poseidon it is essentially removing a layer of additive since all additive multipliers (ofcourse stuff that actually works for each) will apply to both the momus hit and the Poseidon hit

[shadow marsh]

tall order is multiplicative, lion tooth is multiplicative too afaik

[civic ocean]

If you squint, Apollo's legendary and duo with Aph is technically multiplicative

Is tall order multiplicative?

[forest mortar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1237107738379817092/1241072629444509746/image.png?ex=6648de74&is=66478cf4&hm=8abeac50fd98cd181b023bc53ec3fd77a4ba5f86ab9848d81d7e6a8aae61424c&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=780&height=525 difficult choice, i choose give up

[jolly bramble]

isnt apollo legendary just double your omegas

[civic ocean]

well, yeah, "double" is a multiplioer

[shadow marsh]

yeah, and how good it is is very weapon dependent. Double axe spins isn't as good as it sounds because it waits for one round of spins before starting the next

[spare kite]

Yeah that sounds odd for me

[civic ocean]

I am pretty sure Lion Fang is like defs not

[shadow marsh]

Rush delivery in hades 1 was multiplicative

[spare kite]

Movement speed was, the rd dmg itself is additive

[civic ocean]

Lion Fang would be everywhere if it was mult

[sonic moth]

hi all sort of new to the game just started playing about 2 days ago. What would be a good keepsake to look for in early game?

[timid bobcat]

Skelly one

[sonic moth]

Or just in general. I’ve seen some people say to look for aph boon first so Her’s perhaps?

[civic ocean]

Skelly's keepsake is really good, and one of each of the god keepsakes as well. I would say if you want to progress quickly I'd look for keepsakes from skelly and poseidon

[lament kestrel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/767888352019873842/1241073687382462494/image.png?ex=6648df71&is=66478df1&hm=f09beb2a688c628a283bf1a73554508ef7de4bcae80b804a4900367a85c62cd9& abt to face chronos with no dmg + boons 😭

[wet nova]

Shoulda got lucky with Hera duo

[civic ocean]

did you miss spiteful strength?

[timid bobcat]

Isnt there a boon that gives you a massive dmg boost if you have no attack boons?

[sonic moth]

Thank you all 🫡

[lament kestrel]

which ones that

[lament kestrel]

i took the hera zeus duo that removed all zeus boons

[civic ocean]

duo boon with hera and heph, gives you 200% more damage on un-booned atk/spe

[lament kestrel]

no, i got an awful boon pool

[spare kite]

@iron pawn #h2-feedback message please read the rest of the card, the 0 cost cards all have an specific activation trigger (centaur is having cards from 1 to 5 cost activated)

[midnight bay]

Wait is there a secret quote if you beat cronos w/o boons.. i need

[civic ocean]

probably!

[rain hazel]

Man, I cant get the axe figured out. Wondering if I just dont like slow weapons 😅

[midnight bay]

Just play charon, i had the same feeling but charon is way too fun and broken

[wet nova]

Cast on axe

Apollo cast + Demeter duo + zeus duo means free win on Charon aspect

[civic ocean]

Axe has really good omegas, basically

[timid bobcat]

With axe if you can find something like a hammer or chaos boon that speeds up channeling, its a game changer

[rain hazel]

Thats playing cast not axe lol

[solid jolt]

Apollo helps out with the range quite a bit. You can also dash in between axe swings which makes you a lot more mobile in between attacks

[iron pawn]

My bad, didn't consider the possibility of grasp not being the only activation condition, it is my first 0 grasp card 😅
Thanks for the quick correction!

[rain hazel]

I thought I was gonna do good with the attack omega that lets you move but still had trouble, think I have trouble getting in and out while also using the omegas

[wet nova]

Yh Ik rn it’s got too long animation times even with first aspect to make it play comfortably

[brittle prairie]

yeah you need to be able to dash in between axe combo hits to make the most of it

[midnight bay]

Is hera good on anything? i feel like scorch is impossible to make strong

[timid bobcat]

Hera on attack plus scorch cast is really fun

[brittle prairie]

Needs Air Quality, which is very good, but heavily boon reliant

[midnight bay]

Like ok you can have 90k stack of scorch, but for it to go down you need to wait hades III

[brittle prairie]

but the cast is great

[midnight bay]

true

[wet nova]

Hera is not the god that has scorch btw in case you wrote it wrong

[lament kestrel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/767888352019873842/1241075999832150116/image.png?ex=6648e198&is=66479018&hm=ebd98d95734050053672ffb353382271c87b5e56b4a79791d748718272f1be66& first win less go

special hammer build is op asf

[brittle prairie]

Yeah its Hestia you were thinking of

[midnight bay]

oh yes, hestia sorry

i always mispell between both

[wet nova]

Hestias cast scorch + her boon that shreds armor way quicker makes her great for cleaning armor off enemies

Like I placed it on the mini boss golden coin bag and it was <5s for it to be gone for the armor

[brittle prairie]

Scorch doing damage through armor is also one of the few benefits of the damage source

[midnight bay]

I were more talking about Hestia on attack or technique, i dont see any weapon aspect benefiting from it

[tall notch]

Air quality hestia is viable for 40 fear if the stars align

[wet nova]

Rn unfortunately not I assume they are looking into it tho

[wet nova]

I’m still on cope that it’s unintended rn tho😭😂

[midnight bay]

need 64 heat luck

[brittle prairie]

Pan Air Quality hestia or Momus is definitepy best as a roundabout way to abuse flat damage

[quiet axle]

I'm trying a Spiteful Strength (Hera/Pehaestus Duo) run... "Your Attacks and Specials deal 200% more damage when not empowered by Boons"

Does anyone know if that means just no boons in the Attack/Special slots, or do Daedalus hammers & Chaos boons that impact Attacks/Specials negate the duo boon?

[civic ocean]

no core boons

[calm arch]

It's the same as OG shackle

[quiet axle]

ok, thanks!

[calm arch]

I wonder if you can cheese 49 heat (no timer) with the gold hoarder duo boon

There are some ways to infinite gold farm in the game

[iron pawn]

I deleted my old comment and submitted a new suggestion after your helpful input 👍
#h2-feedback message

[spare kite]

Nice

[white steppe]

how close do you have to be to frinos for the projectile eating? hecate just hexed me right next to him and he was like "damn thats crazy, try dodging that next time"

[reef agate]

So which familiar to use?

[sterile portal]

using skull and an omega special build and then i get hit with this https://imgur.com/IapMzL8

:(

[jade folio]

Guys I need a OP build to follow to beat chronos and t bag him ideas?

[deft delta]

what are good Heat points to use for speedruns?

[brittle prairie]

Frinos for gameplay Toula fpr resources, generally

[reef agate]

I see, just crafted my first treats, so wondering if should just feed em to Frinos for max hp stats

[timber pawn]

The 40% enemy move speed also increases spawn speed so that one is mandatory basically.

Anything beyond that is hp related, best runs are taking 0% healing to play with white antler and strength active the whole run. But that makes your margin for error very small

[deft delta]

thx mate

[warped yacht]

hi can anyone explain why aspect of momus is so busted? i thought it was just a crappy heal?

[civic ocean]

right now the go to speed strat IIRC is Momus with Antler so you can turn Desperation, Panic, Scars, and Fury to max

[timber pawn]

The flat special damage increase is what's strong

[warped yacht]

does it also increase special rate of fire? i know staff special is fast but not that fast

[deft delta]

what is antler and the other stuff u listed?

[civic ocean]

"Power" is a very useful keyword to have in the game, and Momus gives the Special +30, which you would normally need Hestia's Infusion and FIFTEEN fire boons to get

[brittle prairie]

its special does 4x the damage of other staffs when fully upgraded

and 1.5x damage on the Omega special

[timber pawn]

The rate of fire you see in runs comes from double moonshot

[warped yacht]

ohhhh so power is base dmg, which in turn boosts % dmg?

[civic ocean]

Aspect of Momus is the weapon, White Antler is the artemis keepsake, and the others are all the names of the fear vows

[brittle prairie]

yes +30 base power means its 40 base power total wgich is then multiplied by damage increases

[civic ocean]

basically the dmg formula is Power x total damage% x Crit

[deft delta]

thx

[brittle prairie]

ie at base staff with a 50% damage multiplier would hit for 15

fully upgraded momus hits for 60 woth the same upgrade

[warped yacht]

ah i see

[brittle prairie]

so on

[civic ocean]

and because Momus gives this boost to the basic special, you can use Vow of Panic to set your mana to 0 and turn on Huntress Arcana and now you deal 60 per hit

[warped yacht]

so with low hp and 0 mana you have like already 100+ dmg

double shot doubles this dps and then a special boon helps with aoe and even more dmg i see

does upgrading momus also increade health regained as well as special base power? i keep getting conflicting information

[sonic moth]

Might he a dumb question, but why do you want to focus on only searching for a small number of god’s? Synergy? I think someone explained that hades II has a 3 god limit. Or why would you choose let’s say a centaur heart or gold over a boon?

[civic ocean]

It's not necessarily a limit due to the god-forcing keepsakes, but once you get 3 gods the game will stop offering you new ones

[warped yacht]

ok so it is 3 gods ok i wasnt going crazy lol

[warped yacht]

eh then again it only works at 50% hp or less so its not gonna be a full heal

[pseudo pond]

Soooo, I just unlock all skull aspects, any op or good builds? Not exactly sure how to use it. But I do feel the base power

[civic ocean]

In Hades 2 there are also elements, which correspond to different gods. If I want, for example, to max out the effect of Hestia's Slow Cooker, it doesn't do very well for me to lock myself into getting Zeus and Demeter alongside Hestia, since only Apollo, Hestia, and Hephastus offer fire elemental boons

[calm arch]

I just beat the trial of flame, but something about the cerberus fight in that trial feels different than normal, can someone explain?

[warped yacht]

too bad theres no legendary boosting cards (only duo up, not like gods legacy which boosted both legendary and duo)

[white steppe]

I find that most of the time when I cover legendary requirements I get it on the next roll tbh

they've definitely upped the drop rate from hades 1

[sonic moth]

Gotcha. So it would make sense to looks for God’s with elements that like up. 🫡. Thank you East it seems like you’re doing a lot for the community

[civic ocean]

there's a Vow in the Testament of Night that removes boons you don't take from the pool, which actually makes it easier to get legendaries and duos

[warped yacht]

oh it can force a legendary to appear?

[warped yacht]

also what happens if you run out of boons? or does it continue to give swap boons

[white steppe]

tbh there's also a small chance that vow bricks the legendary if it deletes the boons you need

[civic ocean]

Not if you haven't met the requirements, but if you have, you have also discarded eight boons, which makes a legendary very likely

But as Stoyan said, you have to be careful not to delete your requirements

[warped yacht]

yeah the rate might be increased but the requirements have definitely gotten more strict

zeus needs 3 different boons rather than just 2

[white steppe]

im going for apollo legendary this run its kinda spooky lul, I need it to miss quite a lot of stuff

[warped yacht]

also idk to me the requirements are less useful then they were in hades 1

like Zeus in hades 1 you need double strike to get the legendary but most people get double strike anyways

this one you have to get like ionic shift which reduces your max mp by a lot

[civic ocean]

I am trying to get Mel Torches to work at 32 without using Born Gain, and the plan is to go for Apollo's legendary and Aph duo boon

I can't make it out of Erebus atm

[warped yacht]

not many people would be willing to take that over like his chain lighting boon

[spare kite]

Yarn of ariadne/chaos's favor boon may still boost legendary rates too

[warped yacht]

speaking of born gain how powerful is it really?

torches sure it's busted but idk having less and less mana doesn't seem like a good idea (especially in bosses)

[civic ocean]

extremely powerful! I have it on my personal banlist alongside Poseidon and Momus

[spare kite]

Most builds don't even fear running out of mana with it

[white steppe]

enjoy it while it lasts imo, its gonna eat the nerfhammer pretty soon anyway

[civic ocean]

It sounds like having less mana is bad but when you sit and think about it you realize that if you have common Born Gain and 100 mana, you effectively have 550 mana to work with

Additionally, because regen effects pause while Melinoe does anything that costs mana, the odds of a regen gain giving you 450 mana in an encounter is extremely low

[warped yacht]

but once you reach less mana then what your omega casts use you cant use them anymore right?

like once you have only 19 mana you cant use a majority of omega moves

[civic ocean]

Yes, but if you have spent 550 mana and haven't killed whatever you're trying to kill something has gone terribly wrong

And that's just common, unpommed born gain and 100 mana

[warped yacht]

or is it rather that to reach only 20 max mana takes a very long time

[white steppe]

is born gain too good or are other mana boons too bad or both? apollo and dem both require specific positioning, aphro never really lasts if its not on a boss, zeus and hestia just suck

[spare kite]

The only time I primed more than 30+ mana with it was torches apollo legendary (and that was by wasting a lot on accident during chronos invulnerability)

[warped yacht]

hmm then again you would need to remove your full mana bar like over 10 times

which yeah by then most things are dead anyways

[civic ocean]

Personally I think it's both? I would strongly urge SGG to make mana regen work all of the time, I think that's honestly a big reason why the torches are so absolute ass without Born Gain

[spare kite]

The fact that it allows mana regen while fighting is a lot better than everything already

[civic ocean]

like the Bubbles and Heph gains are also quite good

[white steppe]

didnt heph require you to get hit?

[gloomy locust]

does anyone have any tips for ||eris|| i swear theyre the worst fight in the game for me

[civic ocean]

Yes but I would rather take 5-10 and get 80 mana back than have to run around for 5 seconds

[white steppe]

yea but are you taking 5-10 on chronos lol,

[summer seal]

Cheese approach is to get Hestia sprint since it just hard counters the majority of her attacks

[warped yacht]

behind

[half nymph]

What would you guys say is the best weapon? The axe, staff, daggers, or lash, for me I don’t have the lash yet but my go to is the daggers

[summer seal]

I like the cheese approach fwiw

[civic ocean]

Yeah but like Chronos is going to hit me one way or another right

[steel sequoia]

lmao this gold i burnt all i could https://postimg.cc/yJ5xSxXs

[warped yacht]

a lot of bosses in hades 2 dont have much aoe attacks so you can just kinda stand behind them and they cant do much

[rich spire]

Until you get to the final area

[warped yacht]

thats why i prefer meli daggers with their insane backstab potential

[warped yacht]

cronos doesn have aoe moves?

unless you mean his spinning orbs which are similar to dad lasers in that you can be close to him

[white steppe]

you wouldnt call the big scythe swipe aoe?

or do you mean aoe as in covers a full 360 around the boss

[timber pawn]

Hestia dash

[warped yacht]

it doesnt hit directly behind him, not like hades lance sweep

[warped yacht]

frog also helps

[white steppe]

he can do two in a row tbf

[civic ocean]

Aspect Tierlist atm for me for high Fear is

Momus

Pan
Than

Eos
Charon
Persephone
Artemis
Medea

Other torches, Mel aspects, other staves

[warped yacht]

so can hades tbf tbf

thankfully cronos does do less dmg overall compared to hades

like 25-35 compared to 30-50

[spare kite]

Momus in the momus tier

[white steppe]

well mel also has less total health compared to zag right

[warped yacht]

why pan? artemis gives a free block plus crit hell

[summer seal]

Man, I just cannot figure out how to stay alive playing Thanatos Axe (or any axe), I try and dash sprint into spin, run Aphro Attack, and find I just take too much damage going into the spins

[half nymph]

So which is number one for you, I don’t really remember them by there name, if you dont mind just saying like axe, or dagger

[civic ocean]

If you want to just beat the fight for content, you can start Hestia and take Soot Sprint and as long as you're sprinting, Eris's bullets cannot hit you

[warped yacht]

tru but max upgrade with frinos she can get 10 more

[timber pawn]

Have you seen Pan runs with spiral knives

[civic ocean]

well they're all weapon aspects. I think the Staff sucks big time but Aspect of Momus is the best weapon aspect in the game and its a staff

[warped yacht]

also there are more max hp boons

[steel sequoia]

if u get the corret hammers on PAN is just stupid

[civic ocean]

I am not good at the Axe or Torches, this list is just going off what I've seen of others' accomplishments

[white steppe]

maybe im ass with skull but I prefer mel skull over both other ones lul

[warped yacht]

poseidon, hep, plus you can sometimes find double hearts

[half nymph]

Oh alright thanks

[steel sequoia]

like 6 mana blowing stuff all over

[civic ocean]

Pan interacts with the game's damage scaling incredibly well, because it deals several instances of damage

So either Poseidon or Slow Cooker or AQ Scorch stack up incredibly well with the Omega special

[jade cairn]

How do i collect nightmare on multiple bosses? Its so tiring changing weapon each time for multiple run to get one nightmare for one run

[spare kite]

Feel free to feedback that

[steel sequoia]

buy nightmare in the end

[warped yacht]

ah so what im seeing is that hades 2 has a lot more base dmg up upgrades, which in turn exponentially increases your overal dps much faster

[civic ocean]

Like if there were a skull aspect that read "you now have 12 skulls but they all deal 20 damage" that would probably be higher than Than on the tierlist

[warped yacht]

you can also save bones

[steel sequoia]

yeah, fish

fishing = bones in broker

[warped yacht]

btw did they update fishing? i swear i don't remember the hooked minigame

[civic ocean]

currently Poseidon is just tremendously good on spammable moves

[steel sequoia]

maybe u were using toula

[timber pawn]

My pet theory is that charon axe is safer than thanatos for high heat

[civic ocean]

and also crit is very strong, which is why Than axe is so high

[spare kite]

It was added to h2, minigame is only on perfect catches (also yeah toula just skips this lmao)

[white steppe]

im not sure if the math works out actually but isnt shovel more bones than fishing rod? im fairly sure the plants sell for the same amount as the fish but you get larger quantities

[civic ocean]

the list is 100% wrong, it's just my current understanding

[spare kite]

I do spade + toula for bones farming at least

[warped yacht]

for me its skull but we all experience things differently

[warped yacht]

yeah but you have to wait for plants, fishing you can sell immediately

[steel sequoia]

idk the math but some fishes gives a lot of bones

[warped yacht]

remember to add in grave thirst on top of that

[spare kite]

Best case for fishing is visiting chaos a lot

[civic ocean]

I think you're meant to do spade+toula once you have max grasp

[spare kite]

Their best fish goes for like 200+

[jade cairn]

Be honest, umbral flame is the worse weapon in the game now. I tried it multiple times with diff boons, cant figure out how to make it better

[steel sequoia]

than you dont lose time fishing

[warped yacht]

special + hera, worked for me

[white steppe]

is there a fish I havent seen? I think the jelly sells for 70 ish

[warped yacht]

get zeus chain lighting and youre golden

[civic ocean]

Torches almost necessitate a strong mana regen boon, usually Born Gain

[steel sequoia]

ive sold some 100bones fish

[warped yacht]

probs the voidskate

[spare kite]

Do you have the fishing rod upgrade, is the voidskate

[white steppe]

I have but I havent used it tbh, I dont like fishing that much

[spare kite]

Toula is great for it, I don't like the minigame either

[white steppe]

usually I just run tablet cause im farming 30 grasp

that 29 to 30 is brutal lul

[spare kite]

I've lost fish cuz the bobble just doesn't go to the circle

[warped yacht]

really? the game punishes you for getting a perfect?

[warped yacht]

use charon cards

[timber pawn]

The fish I got from perfect catch mini game sold for like 100 bones

[warped yacht]

boatman helps farm them

[white steppe]

I usually only order cocaine from charon

80 per is too much from the broker

[warped yacht]

you can also use poseidon double up and minor find up

[spare kite]

Honestly I kinda like it? But using toula is just better so lol

[white steppe]

yea but doing a poseidon farm run is kinda cringe

[civic ocean]

gotta do what ya gotta do lol

[warped yacht]

yeah lol sometimes i will take the crappy boon in order to fill out the minor prophecies

so what if it completely screws up my run? screw it time to kill cronos with 0 mana

[white steppe]

thats why they should allow chaos trial replay, to pick trash boons for prophecies

[spare kite]

Everything for the prophecies

[warped yacht]

(i picked ionic shift but forgot primed mana was a thing so i ended up having 100 primed mana and 0 actual mana lol)

[steel sequoia]

i just need to do 2 poseidon duos so ill just farm double up stuff now

[white steppe]

I got the hera legendary today btw, got 0 noticeable use out of it but still

[spare kite]

Double up is pure joy anyways
HAHA, YES!.mp3

[white steppe]

probably cause i was out of mana all the time from using torches and getting born gain deleted from the pool lul

[warped yacht]

you cant? aww man i liked that low hp chaos trial

[hollow stag]

Is Demeter’s one time shield supposed to go away from non damaging attacks (i.e. breath stun and scythe whirlwind)?

[grim salmon]

Anyone got any tips for Trial of Flame? It's supposed to be a 2/5, but it feels like a 4. I've been throwing myself at it repeatedly without success. I just can't damage Cerberus fast enough.

[inland pumice]

Had a great run last night. Didn’t beat chronos, but got him to second phase. Base staff, and I had Zeus special and freeze on my attack/cast, was freezing everything and getting blitz, rooms were getting cleared with ease. Also got the hammer that causes my special to bounce between enemies and increases its speed and power. Was a really fun time, only reason I didn’t win was because I didn’t know the chronos one shot ko moves he hits you with in phase 2

[warped yacht]

its great thats its bugged

[quiet axle]

ACK! I had a great run, got 2nd phase of Chronos and was stuck in a slow-motion state (the effect that he does to slow time) -- but it lasted the entire 2nd phase... I simply could not move to the safe spots and died 😦 Feels like a bug.

[warped yacht]

also if you use the minor into major that also really helps

2 majors in one room? dont mind if i do lol

[steel sequoia]

this run was totally funny https://postimg.cc/CR8Fd0Lf

[warped yacht]

did you use a hex while slowed?

[full yarrow]

i just got ||hera|| cast and beside the 200% longer i dont understand the other effect

[quiet axle]

Yes

[hollow stag]

Which room is this?

[spare kite]

Is it really bugged or just poms & co being dumped into the second part of the description (minor rewards and similar resources)

[zenith bolt]

if an enemy spawns while your cast is active, it takes damage

[warped yacht]

every enemy that enters takes damage

[white steppe]

it deals damage to new waves

[warped yacht]

hmmm yeah it might have bugged and then double stacked the slow time effect

[quiet axle]

Was using the summon a fallen foe hez.

[steel sequoia]

it hit stuff all over the map when they "spawn" or at the beggining you summon

[warped yacht]

no i mean get a minor find -> double up -> convert both using the arcana card

[warped yacht]

all hexes slow down time while casting

[hollow stag]

Ah, it can work like that?!

[full yarrow]

im not seeing any dammage is that a bug?

[warped yacht]

phase shift just does it for longer

[quiet axle]

I see... I'll try to not do that again... felt like I was slow-mo for at least 15 secs

[warped yacht]

yep, also works on minor finds from sunken treasure, fields, and shrines of Hermes

[zenith bolt]

nice! https://i.imgur.com/XsWfsZd.png

[warped yacht]

that minor into major is actually busted tbh, 3 more major finds

[warped yacht]

but yeah it was probs a bug

[steel sequoia]

maybe, but it shows a thin ray of damage when it does

[spare kite]

Time to know if I misremembered the amount lol

[hollow stag]

Then that is extremely powerful when used that way.

Grasp costs is so high. What did you trade away to make room for it

[steel sequoia]

prolly you arent seeing it properly

[full yarrow]

nope my run just show it take longer to wear off but no sight of dmg

[white steppe]

has anyone ever used the same day delivery function on hermes shrines btw? that delivery fee is insane

[steel sequoia]

i use when im 1 run away from eris

[warped yacht]

boatman card helps

[warped yacht]

mana regen and hex regen

[spare kite]

Speaking of, what's the chamber/encounters count before reaching eris lol

[warped yacht]

my daggers build uses no mana so i dont need them

[warped yacht]

what boss eris?

[stray fog]

Can someone clarify, can I not use the selene hex on Chronos?

[warped yacht]

ive seen around 20-30

[stray fog]

I tried in a run today and he put up a shield every time.

[warped yacht]

his echo attacks (the rifts after he swipes) get slowed

but not him himself, so he can attack normally

[spare kite]

How did you manage to time your hexes with his invincibility phases each time

[warped yacht]

it slows down his adds tho

[stray fog]

GDI I might have not

[civic ocean]

does anyone know if Sweet Surrender is multiplicative? I heard that Slip was

[stray fog]

I am seeing the problem here.thanks y'all.

[tired fulcrum]

They should both be additive unless bugged

[warped yacht]

but for me at 50% on 2nd phase he seems to get affected by slow

[hollow stag]

I don’t use those sometimes. What else would you trade away?

[warped yacht]

furies, swift runner, slow down omega casts

[calm arch]

does the familiar resting incantation do anything in the new patch?

[hollow stag]

Hmmm, maybe be a hard time taking away slow down omega casts. It’s for activating +20% epic arcana card.

[zenith bolt]

i cant recommend getting rid of swift runner on current patch

[spare kite]

Buffs that specific resource appearance rate by like +2% iirc lmao

[ashen sinew]

I have thinking which boons should I use for Aspect of Charon

[calm arch]

I got so used to the old movement that i skip swift runner now 😂

[ashen sinew]

I need a cheese strat

[tired fulcrum]

Get a big apollo cast with the zeus duo and pray for the 50% special speed hammer

And get born gain as always

[inland pumice]

Hey everyone, how do you guys deal with the hourglasses in phase two of chronos? They ended my run last night because I was panicking and hitting them as they were spawning, but then I got caught in the sand and couldn’t move, and then chronos did some kind of one shot kill that did 999 damage to me

[tired fulcrum]

Dont run into them after you kill them

[inland pumice]

Right but should I kill them all you think? Or just leave them and focus chronos?

[ashen sinew]

always get in the safe area first

[spare kite]

I cry about them a bit
(I use rerolls on dad for -50% summons if I have spares)

[inland pumice]

Because obviously chronos is the main damage dealer

[tired fulcrum]

Dps chronos unless hes immune

[inland pumice]

Was wondering if you guys just try to dodge them so don’t have to worry about the sand they drop when they die

[zenith bolt]

https://i.imgur.com/iQQg1v9.png https://i.imgur.com/YrBj8hW.png im sobbing dude

[tired fulcrum]

Rip that 1 armor

[spare kite]

You can kill like the first 4-5 of them before he drops the invincibility at least

[inland pumice]

I see, while he has the shield up focus the hourglasses

And want to dodge into the safe spot after they die so you don’t. Get one shot even if frozen?

[spare kite]

If you have the dps I do suggest just rushing grandpa tho

[inland pumice]

I had pretty good dps, I had staff with zeus special at like level 5, plus damage boost from evil eye

Nearly took him out, but I had never gotten him to 50% on phase two

I didn’t know what to do when the clock hands started moving

[spare kite]

Those just do dmg if they touch you

[inland pumice]

I think though that aside from the one shot moves, phase one feels harder, he seems to have more hp in phase one and three different enemy spawn phases

I think once I get his phase two move set down I’ll be good to go

[steel sequoia]

i dont like phase 2 bc of too much shiny golden stuff in the screen

[inland pumice]

I will agree with that^, with my first time gettting there last night it’s hard to see what he’s doing

[spare kite]

Visual clutter is real

[inland pumice]

I think maybe if his attacks had more like golden shiny effects on them, like the green glow on hades attacks from the first game

Would help a lot with seeing the moves and knowing when to dodge

[zenith bolt]

ok TIL, you can tank the Doomed curse from chaos with armor

[wide swallow]

I just died in the first 10 seconds of phase 2....twice
Pleace tell me how to avoid is initial insta kill 😐

[inland pumice]

Stand in the glowing spot

[tired fulcrum]

Walk to the glowy circle

[inland pumice]

There’s one glowy spot there, you need to be standing in it

[spare kite]

One of the numbers starts to glow, go there

[wide swallow]

I see, thanks! That makes a lot of sense ^^

[steel sequoia]

i believe 99% of people will die there in the first run lmao

[inland pumice]

How do you guys avoid when the circle is closing in? There’s a move in phase two where chronos has a ring closing in on you. Do you just dodge through it? The area outside the circle also seems dangerous though? Not sure what’s going on there

[spare kite]

Yeah just dash through it

[inland pumice]

Ah okay. So the zone outside the circle is safe?

[spare kite]

Yup

[inland pumice]

Gotcha, sounds good

[tired fulcrum]

Like the circle itself does damage. The attack is poorly telegraphed

[inland pumice]

Oh yeah I agree with that, I got hit by it because the outside of the circle is gray, so I assumed it was all unsafe

Usually when a wave move does damage to you, the wave itself is a different color, like the guitarist in the Scylla fight or Hecate waves

[steel sequoia]

sometimes it combo with other stuff so you take tons of damage from the inner and outter circle, the dashes have to be on point

[full yarrow]

i got hestia and demete combo. Very funny combo when u got the meteo cast affect burn and it also bring cyclone too. EZ 2 curse and also tons of dmg

also got the reducing mana when using omega cast too LOL

[spare kite]

Me when the clock hands attack overlaps with the rest of, well, everything else at once lmao

[steel sequoia]

ill take a break, finished my keepsakes

[timber pawn]

Ya with 40% speed it becomes even more of a mess lol

[inland pumice]

When the clock hands are glowing, it’s only them that do damage right? I got confused at those because I thought you had to be standing in between the clock hands to be safe, like there was some sort of aoe going on outside it

[steel sequoia]

74hs of playtime feelsgood, dont have to rush anything now

[iron flame]

does anybody have any tips for 12 to 20 fear. i've been able to win some 12 and 16 fears with certain weapons and combos but its been quite a struggle. like is there any fears i should pick to make it a bit easier or certain tarot cards that i should have equiped or upgraded or a specfic aspect thats way better than the other version that i just havent realized

[white gale]

so I've decided I'm going to master the axe. This means getting timings of things really well. First question. Which Aspect?

[spare kite]

Yeah only the hands do dmg

[inland pumice]

Okay cool, ty

[steel sequoia]

thanatos is the best one

[full yarrow]

is there any tips to fight cyclop cuz i have difficult with him alot. Cant stay too close to deal damage and always forgot to dash when im sprinting

[tired fulcrum]

Stand right behind him and he kicks you while jumping slightly less

[full yarrow]

when can u open aspect of weapon?

[inland pumice]

So what are the other one shot kill moves? I know about the glowy circle one, but chronos has 2 more in that phase right? Or am I mistaken? I just want to know because I’m pretty much getting to him every time so now it’s just about learning the fight

[steel sequoia]

i cant remember tbh, played a lot

[tired fulcrum]

Just the glowy circle and stand between two rings

[full yarrow]

i would say that if u got hestia sprint phase 2 become less difficult?

[inland pumice]

Stand between rings is when the red rings are on the ground right?

[timber pawn]

There are only two total, stand in the small circle, and the second one is stand in the safe ring around chronos. For the 2nd, chronos is in the middle

[full yarrow]

the glowing one

[steel sequoia]

he has like 3-4 moves, it gets easier when you play and feel the timming

[tired fulcrum]

Red rings i think just telegraphs the orbs

[spare kite]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/717361358081097748/1237962883048931420/SPOILER_image.png?ex=6648c307&is=66477187&hm=34baa10fc6f67999ab59eaf95f6cc2ebd9de352fd703248636afdca1c4cf4c38&

[steel sequoia]

just cant forgot to dodge the 3 consecutive hits

[inland pumice]

Ohhhh gotcha

[ashen sinew]

dark area = 1 shot

[inland pumice]

Right, I think the red ring is when he does the orbs all around him, I assume you still want to stand in between them or else those things will keep hitting you

[full yarrow]

when u first met him his moveset my confuse u aliitle bit but after that its just chaos in boss area

[inland pumice]

Yeah like I said, I don’t think his moveset is too bad, it’s just hard to see what’s happening because everything is a yellow and brown tint

Once I learn it some more it’ll be a good fight for me I think

[white gale]

ok so

1. Aspect of Thanatos
2. Boon prioity?

[warped yacht]

i cant upload images so im just gonna have to type it out lol

[lament kestrel]

u have to link them

[warped yacht]

no imgur account here lol

[lament kestrel]

instead of the actual image upload

[lament kestrel]

use discords thing thats what i do

[inland pumice]

Oh, last thing is, is there some kind of animation or audio cue when chronos is going to throw his scythe in a spinny circle? I get hit by that one a lot, usually it hits me before I even realize what’s happening. Am I missing some kind of tell there that I should be looking for?

[warped yacht]

what discord thing?

[grim salmon]

I like Apollo so the spin to win is extra big

[steel sequoia]

i think axe is the most open builded, but people will prolly suggest aphrodite or poseidon with something

[lament kestrel]

when u open an image in ur browser, u can copy that link in

[white gale]

isn't the spin hard to use against cronos?

[spare kite]

Use a random discord server, send img, right click and copy link (or use someone's DMs to host your images lol)

[lament kestrel]

yeah i jse my alts dms

[warped yacht]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/583117677535428653/1241098586998050939/Screenshot_2024-05-17_133736.png?ex=6648f6a1&is=6647a521&hm=5ea94cacccfa71494111b895a1028c9385de85b19b6b180c82563b21f33f58ae&

ty

[spare kite]

I use a private discord to also have certain stuff on the ready/organized to send here lol

[warped yacht]

@hollow stag
i have death on to keep queens up, otherwise id probs use furies and swift

although tbh my full build uses <30 grasp lmao

[steel sequoia]

i wanna play this but its harsh to do the eris path with it https://postimg.cc/Hr1LwnNt

[hollow stag]

Queens? I forgot what that is

[warped yacht]

duo up

[hollow stag]

I might gave up on some rerolls for reroll minors to majors

I do want epic cards, or do I?

[grim salmon]

I don't recall it being especially problematic, but it's been awhile since I've taken the axe downstairs. I probably charge it only a little and get in a few swings?

[warped yacht]

tbh common boons got a buff in hades 2

[hollow stag]

Example?

There is a keepsake that upgrades common to heroic

[brittle prairie]

uhh Epuc boons are often twice as good as commons at base so I dont neccesarily agree with that

[warped yacht]

idk to me common boons in hades 1 were useless but in hades 2 theyre not that bad

[warped yacht]

that too theres more ways to improve rarity in this game

[restive merlin]

ye funny thing about that twice i've taken guaranteed chaos boon next area and twice i got it in the room before the hammer xD

[hollow stag]

Poseidon boon that boosts all damage by 5% is increased to 15% at epic.

Double Up at common is 20%, epic is 30%

[warped yacht]

but in any case yeah artificer is actually busted

3 more major finds

[spare kite]

Commons in h1 weren't bad either

(Maybe except aphro atk/ares atk to some extent)

[inland pumice]

So is there some kind of animation or audio cue when chronos is going to throw his scythe in a spinny circle? I get hit by that one a lot, usually it hits me before I even realize what’s happening. Am I missing some kind of tell there that I should be looking for? It’s definitely the source of most of my damage taken in phase one, I know I can probably just out range it but that’s less viable if I’m going melee build

[spare kite]

I heard someone say is an audio cue? But idk, I just stay on his back and hope for the best

[inland pumice]

If you stay behind him will it not hit you? The AOE seems quite large

[spare kite]

He has problems turning around in general, until he starts to combo his slashes

[bold furnace]

Lol, does someone in combat know why my fear-o-meter jumped from 4 to 12 after one run with fear 8? Discussion channel is a mess

[hollow stag]

Extremely powerful with Poseidon

[zenith bolt]

sometimes there's a voice line (not reliable, but it's usually like "Hrodreptus!", "Fly, Hrodreptus!", "Catch, granddaughter!")
lemme look through my recordings

[thorn iris]

It disappears a little before the arc is completed if you stand right next to him it won't hit. Or yea just go behind him

[zenith bolt]

yea he makes a sort of hrrnnggg sound before throwing his scythe

[restive merlin]

1-how do i wake up hypnoss?
2-what's the point of eris?

[zenith bolt]

we don't know
she's just an ass

[thorn iris]

1-impossible
2-funni

[inland pumice]

Okay, I’ll try to listen out for that next time

[spare kite]

You can't
-slow you down by "blessing" you if you go too fast through the biomes (fast = run count)

[inland pumice]

Thanks y’all, really helpful tips so far from everyone, appreciate it greatly. I’ll get my first win against gramps soon

[thorn iris]

Honestly if it was just 20% damage that'd be one thing but the fact that it scales up is stupid

[restive merlin]

can you invite charon to the bath? and will he be only hissing as always?

[spare kite]

She does that for a while until the game thinks is fine then dips from the underworld route entirely

[vital jackal]

does anybody have a build for axe

preferably mel/than aspect

for 20 fear

[thorn iris]

Beating this game on a fresh file is basically gone require taking no hits at all by the end

[zenith bolt]

compared to the scythe swipe:

• chronos holds his scythe out to his left, instead of his right
• chronos grunts, instead of the sort of ringing out he makes when charging up a swipe

[hollow stag]

Omega attack demeter. Get channel speed and attack boons. Advanced and Psychic Whirlwind.

[restive merlin]

are we getting a map when moving from zones like in h1?

[zenith bolt]

big money https://i.imgur.com/vv8GCIi.png

[spare kite]

Yay I didn't remember wrong lmao

[white gale]

where do you get that?

[zenith bolt]

it's the rare fish of chaos

[steel sequoia]

u need rod 2 in chaos

[spare kite]

Should be the legendary no
Also I wonder if they still have the 50/50 odds lol

[zenith bolt]

i just mark them in my head as common/uncommon/rare

[spare kite]

Lol fair

[steel sequoia]

since most of them dont have the icon yet i just dont care unless is voidskate

[zenith bolt]

fun fact: there's more than 1 character that remarks on you holding (i think) more than 50 moly

[amber pelican]

does the daedalus hammer double attack for the staff stack with the apollo double attack?

[zenith bolt]

i believe so

[spare kite]

Yeah

[grave forum]

i’ve heard the aspect of artemis is really great but i find it really awkward to use especially with time slowing, how do u guys build around it? do u turn off the slowing omega arcana?

[spare kite]

I think that's the plan? Haven't tested it yet

[zenith bolt]

my plans for now are just like

• max all the keepsakes (19/27)
• max all the aspects (12/15)
• get all the fish (18/21)
• maybe do 32 fear on each weapon? (2/5)

[fringe light]

does anyone have a reasonable 16 fear setup?

[spare kite]

Be the first all aspects 32 /lh

[zenith bolt]

that requires me playing circe

[steel sequoia]

i barely make 12 fear

[sacred storm]

i prefer aspect of melinoe for Lim and Oros, the backstab is just so nice

the riposte play is a bit weird in practice

[zenith bolt]

oh yeah i forgot, max all the relationships (to the extent that i can rn)

[fringe light]

ok but imagine artemis riposte crit with daedalus 200% backstab dmg

[zenith bolt]

im done with relationship stuff with everyone on the unseen tab except selene and medea

i think i have all the boon-giving gods at 2 since that unlocks their respective fated list entries

[sacred storm]

sure but if you don't find the daedalus boon - and aspect of melinoe stacks with the daedalus boon

losing omega slow isn't worth picking up artemis imo but each to their own

[steel sequoia]

some people just wanna play with the umbral flames we dont judge

[sacred storm]

my first clear, and still one of my fav builds, is the daedalus boon to omega attack (Lim and Oros), with hera's mana boon - just slow mo charge and insta like 600 damage with basically unlimited mana

[distant ocean]

yeah just turn off time slowing arcana, it's a good idea to do that anyway, makes your runs faster, the slow is helpful mostly only when learning the game

[sacred storm]

I dunno the build i just mentioned above it's pretty critical to, and there are definitely plenty of mechanics where the slow helps

[distant ocean]

that's fair, i don't agree with melinoe either, daggers get so much % dmg that the lil bit they give is nothing at all

[sacred storm]

I know but that just leaves pan which also sucks without the right daedalus (hooks is good)

[distant ocean]

yeah, but 100% more dmg from riposte is nuts just has a conditional that's not always consistent in high speed situations

[sacred storm]

i think the back stab at least is good all around and won't be let down by rng on individual runs

[civic ocean]

I swear the Mustard shades are absolutely insane

[distant ocean]

it's a let down in that backstab itself is also rng unfortunately lol

sometimes mobs just like to turn around

[civic ocean]

I think I take more damage from big suck dude and skinny heat seeking missile dude than I do from Cerberus

[sacred storm]

omega attack puts you behind though and so many bosses like to stand and face one way for ages

[distant ocean]

it sends you to their opposing side not behind

[sacred storm]

e.g. Hecate when she's doing her aoe circle channel, Cerberus on like every ability, etc

[distant ocean]

if they're running away you will go to their front

[sacred storm]

sure but enemies are usually facing you

and you can always reposition with a quick dash

[distant ocean]

yeah, it would be cool if melees didn't suck

[sacred storm]

i can literally only clear Chronos with Lim and Oros right now 😛 I struggle with the ranged weapons

[ionic moon]

oh good it's not just me

[sacred storm]

I'm working on playing with skull

[distant ocean]

while i'm sitting here waiting for something to hit my riposite so I can do good enough damage, and while repositioning to backstab an enemy, pan's already fired off like 10 specials.

[sacred storm]

i hear that a lot about melee but I've been finding it easiest in this game (which is odd because I usually hate melee in everything else 😛 )

[distant ocean]

without missing a single of it's 260 knives.

[ionic moon]

waiting for Cerberus big red circles to go away

[distant ocean]

half of which that just backstab automatically through hook knives

feels epic

[golden cipher]

i have a question; what is the best ring to level up and to take for runs?

[sacred storm]

do try the omega attack bombing build if you stumble across the right combo of boons, though - it's pretty crazy

[distant ocean]

that, too, getting zoned out by every little thing in the game, especially hippos.

[sacred storm]

i mean for boss fights with omega slow you basically just end the fight without anyone getting an attack in against you

[distant ocean]

it's especially tragic when trying to do high fear as melee, and you can't get to a single revenant because you're zoned out by the shortest ranged attacks lol

[sacred storm]

slight hyperbole but not far away haha

[distant ocean]

so you throw a special in your attack focused build and you go hmm maybe i should just do this

i've swapped over to trying to prio posiedon special start on my artemis runs just because it actually works lol

[sacred storm]

i do love poseidon with Lim and Oros

[ionic moon]

tbh I think the main reason melee builds worked in H1 was double dash and athena

[sacred storm]

there's a lot there that syncs well

[coarse rain]

Fun Fact: Big Chop and Hellsplitter make you unable to attack if you have no mana i have no mana regen

[distant ocean]

yeah, if parry had no cooldown it would be so worth it but only being able to make a deep dive play every 15s isn't enough uptime lol double dash let you get alot of deep diving in

[distant ocean]

small things like that just pile it on

[upper flame]

Yo has anybody gotten a good armor build with heph/sash/and a dress? Been trying to get one but never got lucky with the boons thought it’d be fun
Especially with the faster channeling or somin

[distant ocean]

atleast it's not that big of a deal in most aspects of the game just when you're trying to push it to the endgame challenges level

[sacred storm]

in general health/armor builds seem like a bit of a trap as you're just sacrificing the boons that will end fights 4 times quicker

[upper flame]

yeah ik :(

[distant ocean]

trusty shield is the best defensive in the game :]

[coarse rain]

yea, im just dash attacking my way to cerberus rn lmao

[zenith bolt]

very fast https://i.imgur.com/gph7hoI.png

[upper flame]

if there was damage stuff based on armor that’d be sick

[sacred storm]

ultimately dodging is the ultimate armor and attack is the best defence as a 60 second fight with 200 health/armor is better than a 180 second fight with 350 health/armour

[distant ocean]

sadge

here pay 20 magick an attack for 1/8th the dps of momus' attack staff not even the special

xd dude, fun, did you check the other weapons?

i can't relate to having more than 30 health

[sacred storm]

yeah it would be nice to see a build that did lean into armor without sacrificing too much damage

[coarse rain]

BLESS POSEIDON, FLUID GAIN, THE RUN IS SAVED

[distant ocean]

thank the stars 😄

[steel sequoia]

aint we thanking the moon this time?

[strange kite]

what are they gonna nerf poseidon with and what is pan gonna do to recover lul

[distant ocean]

selen can eat a whole bag of hot dogs.

[strange kite]

pan without poseidon is gonna have such low dps

[distant ocean]

pan is going to run apollo, simple as.

[zenith bolt]

i aint thanking the moon for eating my run start god

[zenith bolt]

shifting to scorch aq until they nerf that

[strange kite]

apollo modifier is sucky. also doesnt multiply with stuff like arcana cards

[distant ocean]

but it's a headstart on exceptional talent which boundless flurry is the best recepient of

[strange kite]

i dont know what that means

[zenith bolt]

let me spend these on nightmare pls https://i.imgur.com/zrNGVXy.png

[distant ocean]

imagine having a boon that doubles your omega special on an omega special weapon with almost no cost increase because everything for you costs 80% less while artemis has to pay 50magick an omega attack for way less dps ugh the salt, but then they still don't take that thingwhile artemis has to take that thing because poseidon is weirdly less good on attacks FOR NO REASON

literally no reason

[tired fulcrum]

Thats like every attack

Except hestias but hestia still sucks

[zenith bolt]

every attack boon is worse than its counterpart special boon

[strange kite]

pan special only costs less with a hammer

[zenith bolt]

except hestia's as mentioned

[distant ocean]

that scales though everyone needs a hammer.

pan also has 4 different good hammers making triple hammer busted for them

[strange kite]

but pan doesnt need a specific hammer because the 16 shots hammer i think also increases channel speed

[distant ocean]

melee daggers has 2 lol, and one of them is very conditional lol

[narrow mirage]

does the third area have a map for each room?
it's really huge to navigate

[restive merlin]

what's a special boon?

[strange kite]

yeah 4 hammers are good for pan

its so fun not being hammered screwed like everybody else is

[zenith bolt]

like, boons that affect your special (specifically, the ones ending in "flourish" in this case)

[distant ocean]

yeah, but i mean that's kinda why you have to open yourself up to playing special as an artemis build even if all you wanna do is play your way that's not how this game goes currently

range is god

[strange kite]

1 dash makes melee too hard

and u cant sprint cancel combo attacks

[sacred storm]

I've been doing well with melee but I didn't come from Hades 1 so I'm wondering if people are just finding it jarring right now?

[distant ocean]

I did well with melee too up until 40+ fear.

[strange kite]

lul

i dont push fear like that

i have 2 modes: speedy low heat and slower high heat

[tired fulcrum]

Attack pom gains are so bad

Like why is apollo 2nd pom 5%

[distant ocean]

I don't know man

[strange kite]

but i also dont speedrun super hardcore cuz i dont wanna do momus runs that need double moonshot

[sacred storm]

poms in general seem to have diminishing returns

[strange kite]

2nd pom isnt diminishing that it should have 5% lul

[distant ocean]

momus probably only needs a double shot start when you hit 47 fear

[sacred storm]

like the 3 stack ones later on reward so little

[distant ocean]

or 48

[strange kite]

momus needs double shot for speedrun

[tired fulcrum]

Like i dont think poms in the first game were this bad

[strange kite]

also i dont like low health

[sacred storm]

oh i know, i mean it's worse because from what I can tell the 2nd, 3rd pom etc has a lower gain than first pom

[distant ocean]

to make time yeah but to complete a desp 3 45~46 not really

[civic ocean]

why don't you just speedrun the way you want then

[strange kite]

u can tight deadline 3 with strength momus i think without the hammer

[distant ocean]

they do, they like any heat speedruns which is fine, I can't knock that

[strange kite]

but like also if u have no hammer its hard cuz ur shots can miss and dont smack the whole room

[distant ocean]

they're big projectiles anyway, it's easier to hit things with staff special than staff omega atk atleast lol

[strange kite]

staff omega was actually bugged

[distant ocean]

oh did they fix it?

[strange kite]

where one hammer made the aim broken and not hit the mouse. idk never checked if it was fixed because i never used an omega attack again

[zenith bolt]

time to throw a run (grabbing king's ransom for the fated list)

sad days https://i.imgur.com/Zy4Olvi.png

[distant ocean]

rip pan?

[zenith bolt]

torches

[white steppe]

are you gonna get a lvl 6 ionic gain lul

[distant ocean]

that was my 2nd guess :T

[white steppe]

or wait that's the cast right

[distant ocean]

that's born i think

[hollow stag]

For first (or first few) run, why use Omega special for 80 damage when you can spam regular special for 94 damage each (10 + 84 from poseidon)?

[distant ocean]

with engagement ring

[strange kite]

84 poseidon damn

[distant ocean]

you mean for fresh file first run speedruns? prolly just cuz omega special has okay aoe

it's not alot but it's enough without hammers to get a little bit more kps

[strange kite]

usually u dont get 84 from poseidon anyways more like 30 after 1 pom

also rhe poseidon applies to the omega as well

[distant ocean]

and resetting for posiedon on fresh file seems like the worst, would be awesome if round two was aware of this.

but eh. lol

[summer seal]

Hmmm, thinking of going for some white antler runs. Enjoy the daggers the most (any aspect), but not really sure what arcanas to take or how to build for it (other than Poseidon on special for Pan or like Aphro on attack for Artemis I assume?)

Any White Antler masters have some tips?

[strange kite]

surely they wont add an internel cooldown to poseidon right? that would kill pan so hard while only half hitting momus

[strange kite]

u can take strength

[tired fulcrum]

Poseidon has very good pom gain especially on special

Flat damage in general poms better

[strange kite]

ik but to reach 80s u need like heroic

[tired fulcrum]

Except hestia, hestia sucks

[strange kite]

poms still fall off before u get that high normally

[dusty ember]

ops lol

[distant ocean]

lowlife w/ strength, take some int shots in erebus and keep it up, centaur and titan is a point of debate but i've come around to preferring using them as it helps alot with chaos doors to have them

[civic ocean]

except for hearth right

[tired fulcrum]

Idk

But her special has less than half the pom gains as poseidon

[summer seal]

And you just manage your health by intentionally taking a few hits to get down to 30% if you ever heal past it, yeah?

[strange kite]

hestia getting 5 scorch for NO REASON is so funny

like damn it would be too much for hestia to deal 15 flat damage better make it 12.5

[distant ocean]

yep, centaur will slowly heal you up but you can just use nemesis/artemis rooms or like the entrance room to oceanus where the clock is paused to take int dmg on the boilers or mobs

you don't want to waste time taking damage tho

and you always want to get hit down to 30, white antler is way stronger than strength lol

[hollow stag]

Epic, 9 poms. 1st pom gets you +10 damage. At 9+ poms, you get +4 damage

[fringe light]

hey guys do u have any not extremely difficult 16 fear configuration?

[distant ocean]

besides that sprint, huntress or death, origination, dmg on cast and potentially the dmg of omega cast to get your epic boon chance

there's multiple right answers but that's my current approach

[summer seal]

Gotcha. Seems centaur could complicate things, but I like the approach, will give it a shot

[distant ocean]

it can complicate things, you could always grab a save file that doesn't ever take centaur so you can skip it without automatically taking it

it's a dumb solution to a dumb problem but atleast it works, but I think it's a benefit in some aspects

also heph is pretty valuable to lowlife runs, mint condition or trusty shield are very strong indiscriminate defensives

infinite ehp with 5 hp is p good

[strange kite]

u turn off mana regen arcana to afford strength?

i noticed that strength cost and reroll costs add up to a looot

[hollow stag]

Heph has great renewable armor, Demeter has shield (though it breaks from non damaging attacks), Hera has the best Mana regen boon

[strange kite]

and i never want to turn off my 6 rerolls

[distant ocean]

yeah, It's hard to make use of the small bit of regen, maybe for pan builds.. even then tho

it should be twice as much for the arcana tbh

[hollow stag]

Don’t you mean 10 rerolls?

[strange kite]

no

[summer seal]

So like, for Pan, run something like Poseidon on special, Hera gain, Heph armor (and something to inflict vent?)

[distant ocean]

magick regen itself is just self defeating, to build around it means you don't have access to it, it's a bad system.

[strange kite]

born gain stays winning lul

[zenith bolt]

woooo the run throw has appeared !! https://i.imgur.com/XnOoIY6.png

[distant ocean]

essentially, yeah lol

[zenith bolt]

save me storm ring https://i.imgur.com/glVPmCo.png

[distant ocean]

oh that is zeus cast

[spare kite]

The duo is hilarious story wise

[strange kite]

what if u dont get born gain? what do u usually go for? poseidon has the bubbles which are at least decent to good

[distant ocean]

yeah, heph mint condition prolly better than armor tho armor will last for a good long while as insurance, you'll get more use out of mint

[spare kite]

And gameplay wise when I heard someone got it from echo and it ruined their build

[strange kite]

forcing hera in region 2 is kinda sucky? it feels

if ur on antler run u just kinda want antlers i think

[distant ocean]

but that's pretty much the run down on pan posiedon hera heph

it depends on the fear

in really high fear you can't force any gods with pan lol white antler is non negotiable in erebus even

[summer seal]

Oh, you can't really force the deities though I just realized, since you want to have the antler equipped the whole way

So I guess antler is just re-roll doors and cross your fingers, haha

[strange kite]

lul

i think ill try strength runs one day when i have the materials

darkness doesnt exist and its fake were being lied to

every chaos i take no darkness smh

[distant ocean]

in any heat you can pull a posiedon keepsake start

I would still go antler in oceanus tho, oceanus is kinda the reason why you need antler in high fear starts

there's just some fat hp bars down there

[zenith bolt]

more https://i.imgur.com/oYpKD0S.png

[distant ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/star-gif-16789607377123159596

[spare kite]

What's the dmg number rn

[distant ocean]

i like how it's rare, too, lol

[grand prism]

The dude plays the hand he's given, ya know?

When life gives you poms...

[fringe lichen]

favourite vows for 16 fear?

[zenith bolt]

https://i.imgur.com/LeLOqyi.png

[distant ocean]

https://ibb.co/1TgPJg6

[zenith bolt]

rewarded for my suffering https://i.imgur.com/uqONgPc.png

apollo clutch https://i.imgur.com/bP0j0Wg.png

[fringe lichen]

who is the better familiar? i feel like the frog is better but im a noob so

[distant ocean]

can swap the 0 magick to damage or fury if you don't like it, I think 0 magick is a plus generally

[spare kite]

Frinos for gameplay, toula for resources

[distant ocean]

not having to waste time enabling huntress is neat

and you can put your desp 3 points into vow of fury if you're not speedy enough

[spare kite]

Actually how good is having toula's revive at 30 for white antler? Or not worth bc of strength

[distant ocean]

or don't want to play beat the clock strategies

it's pretty good but probably not as good as just having frinos bodyblocking certain projectiles for the sake of speed

esp if you're melee and get freggin hecka zoned by hippos

i see both taken tho

oh nvm I understand the question now, it's still better than reviving at 40 lol

[quiet axle]

Does anyone know where Chronos finds those blasted Satyrs, anyway?

[distant ocean]

for strength 40 would be fine but antler is the main reason to keep it at 30

[spare kite]

I mean not upgrading to max so it only heals 30

[zenith bolt]

i somehow managed to win that

[haughty pine]

I have seen a speedrun (6:25) today that had Toula and and they did need the death defiance. And yeah they used white antler and strength

[zenith bolt]

toula my savior... https://i.imgur.com/hl5SEm6.png

[spare kite]

He pays them (or idk what he does cuz they dissolve like sand)

[distant ocean]

it's probably more important the closer you get to max fear

cuz at that point toula is goin to be the only promised DD you have

if chaos and hermes don't give you one

[zenith bolt]

ok im only missing 3 duos now

thermal dynamics, freezer burn, and chain reaction

[strange kite]

i need to go to surface to find the damn cat

but i also need to fish to get the cat

[distant ocean]

go fish

[strange kite]

damn none of my runs i stopped to gather cuz i wanted to go fast and now im paying the price

[distant ocean]

yeah, might just be time to turn of desp and have a relaxing chill fun meme run

[timber pawn]

just lost a pan daggers run because my daggers stopped homing

[distant ocean]

take the edge off with trying to make scorch work for the 100th time

[spare kite]

Tooth not worth?

[distant ocean]

absolutely not lol

[spare kite]

Wait I confused myself lmao
Speedrun context or high fear

[distant ocean]

clock is very hard boss to beat

[wet nova]

Probably one of her craziest vow setups I’ve ever seen

Like only a psychopath runs this at low vow fr😭

[distant ocean]

they seem free to me lol

even beneficial :' ]

[wet nova]

How is +30% life not the freest one of them all

[distant ocean]

slower

[zenith bolt]

all of those are free except 5m timer

[wet nova]

Unlike h1 it’s +100% life at max it’s definitely the freest

[minor mountain]

I feel like I’m the only one who hates the torches

[wet nova]

Guess you play no omega builds at all

[distant ocean]

+30% life is -30% damage

[tired fulcrum]

H1 is +30% at max

More hp vow affects bosses btw

[zenith bolt]

im not cracked enough to consistently get sub-20 runs rn but im also in the thick of grinding keepsakes and duos and bones etc.

[wet nova]

Maybe I’m getting it mixed up with something else that’s +100% hmm

[distant ocean]

@wet nova I do, but born gain

[spare kite]

Enemy dmg?

[upper flame]

what arcana cards do you run?

[wet nova]

I guess since h1 has different increment levels I forgot how they all work

[zenith bolt]

enemy damage goes to +100% in hades 2 https://i.imgur.com/HVzJuMn.png

[tired fulcrum]

H1 is 15/30 instead of 10/20/30 hp

[fringe light]

is it allowed to send pictures on here?

[distant ocean]

uno momento

[zenith bolt]

have i cooked the worst 20 fear setup https://i.imgur.com/SCbvn3N.png

[wet nova]

9 mins is definitely free

[hollow stag]

So it’s like having Eris boom

[distant ocean]

https://ibb.co/gTP2M0Y

[wet nova]

Oh wait this has arcana off insee

[zenith bolt]

yeah except instead of 2x it's 8x on the first hit

[distant ocean]

get it away D:

[zenith bolt]

unless they're both additive then it's "only" 4x

[upper flame]

cool thx

[tired fulcrum]

I think its multiplicative

[zenith bolt]

actually i can make this worse if i replace onion with revenants

[tired fulcrum]

Based on the text, also stuff hitting me for 100+

[strange kite]

the healing down heat is super free if u play a mana build

[zenith bolt]

we love taking 250+ damage from chronos boomerang

[strange kite]

for low heat that is

[distant ocean]

healing down also pretty useful for lowlife since you have to take fountains

[zenith bolt]

real ones just dont get hit https://i.imgur.com/UoRfxjF.png