h2-builds-and-combat

[thin lantern]

and three

and four. wow. I haven't played this badly in ages

[glossy hatch]

It happens

[tired fulcrum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1239814025559408773/1240168621456621628/Hades_II_2024-05-14_21-58-19.mp4?ex=66478ec8&is=66463d48&hm=a133652cf9a419d4176ab8df5a093b94138e8b0fc5ba57cca252322eea5c0aba& I actually hate this so much

[distant ocean]

greek mythology is a bit like jerry springer innit

not me realizing the jerry springer show is like 30~40 years old and some people probably don't know what iti s.

[thin lantern]

Charon actively feels unplayable without born gain though lul

[vestal bear]

Dw there was enough meme longevity most millennials got the gist

[distant ocean]

true that, I also wish axes were just 20% faster :<

[glossy hatch]

Aspect of Mel time

[bleak night]

It's all coming together. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1240880221222080552/image.png?ex=66482b43&is=6646d9c3&hm=11175b0bc2eff6b039d0e45c13285d5ee084e16101a1e078022db91e018528d5

[tired fulcrum]

mel should just be innate to all axes and then they should change mel axe to something actually interesting

[distant ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/costume-running-bomb-personabey-personabeys-gif-25501431

[bleak night]

probs something like a rhythm to the attacks. If you press the attack button again at this small few frame window where she glows, you ignore the endlag and go to the next attack. If you do it for the third hit, you can dash away immediately after the chop

[thin lantern]

lmao. actually died-died to a hippo

[distant ocean]

[thin lantern]

vow of panic charon axe.gif

[distant ocean]

true terrors of the sea, hippos

[zenith bolt]

i got exactly what i wanted this run and nothing more https://i.imgur.com/gUt3qQl.jpeg (also damageless chronos)

[tough vapor]

Had a fun run earlier today, started off with an epic apollo cast rarified into heroic. Was using charon axe, by end of game i had lightning land and a hera special, though i lacked much of heras extra boons for increasing hitch dmg and whatnot. I also took the zues mana regen boon because i had nearly 300 mana

[zenith bolt]

had to put on silver wheel of all things this run

didnt get like any magick boosts in oceanus and i was actually running out in encounters thanks to vow of arrogance

[thin lantern]

lmao

[tired fulcrum]

bruuuuuh

daggers has the same garbage combo retention as staff

[thin lantern]

now that is truly a meme run. gg

[tired fulcrum]

literally why sg

[distant ocean]

tell me about it 😦

[tired fulcrum]

why the heck would i want to use a crappy base 20 damage attack after a dash instead of a big pp 45 base damage attack

[zenith bolt]

actually heres a way they could nerf born gain, it could be like this

Whenever you run out of Magick, Prime 7 Magick to restore some up to the reduced limit
Magick restored: x%

[distant ocean]

or just let other magick regens function without having to stop playing the game, by proxy of other gains being useful, born gain won't have a monopoly~

[zenith bolt]

well that too

i was more operating with the precondition "if we're only changing born gain to rebalance magick regen boons"

isnt heph's like really garbage

[distant ocean]

yes but maybe no

[civic ocean]

it's okay

[zenith bolt]

like "take damage to restore magick" or something like that

[thick carbon]

born gain wasn't working for me earlier today

[distant ocean]

Hera's legendary makes me think heph gain could be useful for some shenanigans.

[zenith bolt]

oh ok it actually gives you a flat -10% damage reduction, so that's actually probably ok then

[thin lantern]

What was the link to the hades 2 boon list again?

[zenith bolt]

funny enough it makes it the best gain for momus xd

[distant ocean]

it is technically limitless magick regen, potentially even faster than born gain if you can survive the damage intake

[thin lantern]

@distant ocean yo can you link that thing again, I got a heph roll as my second god and forgot the prereqs for master conductor.

[distant ocean]

it's just a matter of surviving hits lol

[distant ocean]

sure thing https://hades2-crossroads.vercel.app

[thin lantern]

also, you can actually stack meme amounts of DR in theory

[distant ocean]

some people also think it may be additive lol

which is a fun thought experiment, with hera's legendary and strength, and some kind of healing you would be very hard to kill at 30% hp

momus staff being the only reasonable way I can think of to self heal enough for that tho lol

[thin lantern]

how highrolly would the absolute max DR be, with the poseidon aphro duo

[zenith bolt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/362939825000677377/1240883879368196116/32_fear_torches_no_damage_chronos.mp4?ex=66482eab&is=6646dd2b&hm=19137c11174e315656189e345cbfe61e6d8f7ab69756893ebbda3c09a7b3b697& but yeah this is my redemption for earlier

praise be to evade evade evade, my GOAT

[bleak night]

speaking of Torches

[distant ocean]

pretty high roll, you could make it even worse by adding in apollo's self healing infusion lol

[bleak night]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1238124170282532944/1240872146708860978/Pink_Aura.mp4?ex=664823be&is=6646d23e&hm=e81b12c902b855b93943cebb47e9a1e50ce6b7bdeced326e70d33f5ba6415d99

this current skull one isn't that good, so I'll pass on uploading it

[distant ocean]

which I wonder if you have self healing and brave face, would you heal for 30% of the total damage taken or just the 30% of total that went to life?

add in flood control and this combo might be busted god mode if it works ideally lol

[zenith bolt]

i would assume it would be 30% of the damage you actually take

[thin lantern]

no tight deadline, clear time 2 hours but you can't die

[distant ocean]

ah, same :<

[zenith bolt]

i like how you dont even attempt to dodge for 90% of the fight lmao

[bleak night]

I need to get close

I must, the orbs are telling me to get close

[zenith bolt]

theres needing to get close and there's literally running into the reinforcement projectiles

😭

[bleak night]

My run previous this one was me getting hit on purpose so I can deal revenge damage

[distant ocean]

it's a battle of the balls

[bleak night]

I think I didn't get rid of that mindset going into this one, or finishing it even

[zenith bolt]

wait have i become an agent of Big Torch now https://i.imgur.com/Qp9JYyL.png

[distant ocean]

lol

[bleak night]

Damn, you're playing it a lot

[plain fossil]

Zoomies

[thin lantern]

lmao

[plain fossil]

What was the build

[bleak night]

guessing the 9:45 one is a surface run ?

[zenith bolt]

all of the "best times" are surface runs i think

[bleak night]

yeah, same for mine

[zenith bolt]

lemme try to find my best non-surface torch run and best non-surface run overall

[plain fossil]

Yea everybodys fastest kills are all eris kills atm thats normal right

[bleak night]

yeah, it would make sense for the fast ones to be surface, let me check mine actually

[distant ocean]

some people are going sub 7minute in the underworld, they might actually have faster times there than surface lol

[zenith bolt]

i think my best underworld is this https://i.imgur.com/4nrLNjg.png

[plain fossil]

Idk what a 9:45 32 heat chronos run looks like but its probably some insane korean

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1240886841394335764/image.png?ex=6648316d&is=6646dfed&hm=e4ba08155745b7cd7291f15ed704c767edf5d825b133ee5326c027ea8a0e3594 I think my fastest UW run was like 13 or 14 mins

[distant ocean]

i had a 10minute 38fear artemis run

[bleak night]

did this embed? I can't tell

[zenith bolt]

my best underworld torches https://i.imgur.com/hQMFWQL.png

[distant ocean]

I don't like try harding with artemis though, the start feels so bad when things don't happen.

[zenith bolt]

all my best torch runs are spiteful strength

[distant ocean]

pan has to reset alot more i'm sure but still

if pan just gets poseidon it's okay

[bleak night]

challenge runs are nice and all, but it's also nice to have some medium Fear ones where you have room to not have to panic

[distant ocean]

true : )

[zenith bolt]

torches without a good attack boon and born gain are so godawful earlygame

saddening

[plain fossil]

Well u just dont have an attack in that scenario, ur spamming special only

Torch attack doesnt exist without hammers

[bleak night]

I'm starting to regret not taking those extra rooms in Tartarus https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1240887650551070730/image.png?ex=6648322e&is=6646e0ae&hm=fa8645e61e8e3166c1f11e7d2c13fa336321b9ffa9cac73d99b8afd4aab697c8& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1240887672147411075/image.png?ex=66483233&is=6646e0b3&hm=0ed065685fe8d8448a37e156efd72e76f9419ce6c2ae84750e0cf85046be0aea&

[distant ocean]

i'm more so liking the testing of things

lul

[zenith bolt]

anyway i get the hype around blackened fleece now

[distant ocean]

?

[zenith bolt]

i didn't realize that it tracked all damage taken in the entire run, not just all damage since you've put on the keepsake

[distant ocean]

does it stack or something?

[zenith bolt]

so i assumed if you put it on in tartarus, you would to take 250 damage in tartarus to have it activate

but nah it just counts every damage you've taken thus far in the run

[bronze summit]

free damage is free damage especially on builds that revolve around omegas

[bleak night]

Ghost Onion needs 62
Evil Eye needs 40
Engraved Pin need 49
Gold Purse needs 48
Metallic Droplet needs 61

260 encounters should be about 7-8 more runs, right ?

[snow rover]

Guys melinoe or medeas skull aspect is better? I have the melinoe one maxed out and I don't want to spend nightmare on the medea aspect if it's worse since it seems they would play exactly the same mechanically anyway

[zenith bolt]

hi ghost ping

[snow rover]

Me neither

[distant ocean]

lol something like that yeah, ez work

[thin lantern]

ugh, I keep losing DDs because of the adjusted iframe timing

[snow rover]

I said Le f word and bot deleted my message

[bleak night]

you can disable that, at least

[distant ocean]

gosp, not el ef word.

[zenith bolt]

i like how there's already more keepsakes than hades 1 had

[bleak night]

I can see them adding about 4 more

[zenith bolt]

theres most likely at least going to be hades + whoever else is definitely going to be added

[distant ocean]

they already confirmed that all the gods would be back and stuff right? :T

[thin lantern]

hm? I like the instant dash thing, I'm just not used to it.

[zenith bolt]

if all previous gods return that includes uhh ares and athena?

[bleak night]

ah, then you'll have to learn it from scratch, which should be fine since it's pretty early into the game anyway

[snow rover]

Idk too many feel outclassed by others

[zenith bolt]

oh and dionysus

[thin lantern]

hm? what do you mean early

[distant ocean]

and dio! yeah, this game has a lack of purple dot damage.

red dot dmg just ain't the same

[ashen timber]

Looking to try an Aspect of Pan Twin Sword run, but havent had much luck so far. Am I right in guessing that Hera Cast, and Hestia Special are good synergy for it?

[bleak night]

It's only been about 10 days since the EA started

[tough vapor]

Ares,athena, and dionysus

[thin lantern]

ah, you mean early in the update cycle lmao

[distant ocean]

👀 do you want the honest or kind answer

[bleak night]

Yep, sorry

[snow rover]

U are very far from right, lol

[ashen timber]

honest, if my thought process is flawed I need to learn.

i was thinking that the extended cast would lend itself to more special hits, and piling up the scorch would be good dps

[snow rover]

Aphrodite special and idk the cast but certainly not hera

[snow rover]

Scorch is terrible dps

[distant ocean]

Kami said it best lol, Hera's cast doesn't really scale past the speedrun strats of insta phasing hekate adds and oceanus fish swarm rooms in anyfear runs

and scorch is pretty mid, especially without* air quality

[ionic lily]

mmm, I should try mel aspect torches with that aphro-hera-apollo combo

[bleak night]

You really should

[distant ocean]

the longer lasting cast means you can replace it less often which isn't great

Poseidon is really good, it's without a doubt the strongest special you can get with fast hitting weapons like pan

[civic ocean]

1. Casts are primarily used to hold enemies in place and use The Furies Arcana to scale your damage by 30%. You actually don't want your cast to linger after an enemy is slain, so Hera's cast lasting longer can be a detriment - many bosses have ways of getting out of the cast so you can't pile on the damage

2. Scorch is a lot of damage relative to your earlygame output, but once you scale up your weapon aspects and game knowledge and arcana cards you will find that enemies will die much quicker than scorch deals its damage. Your Pan special is better off using a flat damage mod like Poseidon, or a %age based scaling damage, like Hera, Apollo, or if you want to get up close, Aphodite.

[snow rover]

Is it actually better than aphrodite? I see every YouTube video with pan knives using aphro special

[distant ocean]

possibly even more than twice as better lol

hydraulic might is aphrodite in a can for 10~15seconds and it's a side boon

[ashen timber]

Interesting. I thought the push effect would work against me by moving enemies out of the cast

[civic ocean]

unlike in Hades 1, for some reason in Hades 2 Poseidon does not push the enemy you hit, it pushes all the other enemies, IIRC

[distant ocean]

correct

[summer path]

https://i.gyazo.com/b0daaa86c35c5c3d2e9d4a2ca1659d10.png

First death to [REDACTED]. Air Quality on the sister blades is a near auto win.

[ashen timber]

Ah, that's one difference I'll have to wrap my head around

Still got 1 lingering in the brain, lol

[bleak night]

Oh, right. I should do Air Quality + Scorch on something

[civic ocean]

my child!

[zenith bolt]

im so glad the revenant vow doesnt work on boss spawns

[civic ocean]

look how my child is spreading

[distant ocean]

@bleak night do it on a demeter sprint build xd

[summer path]

a little off topic, does anyone know where to submit bugs on Hades 2? Minor but i want to make sure its written down somewhere

[bleak night]

does Demeter sprint use mana ?

[civic ocean]

no

[distant ocean]

i don't think so

[bleak night]

full ice cyclone sprint + all the primers, here I come

[zenith bolt]

demeter sprint doesnt use magick at all but it also doesnt activate on dash either

oh yeah on that torch run i was using this, not sure how much i like this more than the other setup i was using though https://i.imgur.com/VjKe23e.jpeg

[bleak night]

what weapon is best on a sprint run ?

I'm going to probably disable my special and attack buttons

[distant ocean]

hmm, good question, i wonder if demeter cast cycloen and sprint cyclone stack

[zenith bolt]

if you allow casting then charon maybe

[bleak night]

I'll do this on 0 fear

[zenith bolt]

just for the +3 sec on cast

[bleak night]

or maybe just turn the primers on so I can do the Zeus one where I shoot out lightning when under 10 mp

Demeter-Zeus-?

[civic ocean]

trying to do torches at 32 with Born Gain banned and I think every time my Azure dress breaks or Chaos doesnt offer me regen I feel like physically crying

[bleak night]

which third god would be good on this ?

[zenith bolt]

maybe aphro or hephaestus for their boons for survivability?

[bleak night]

I'll look at the duos rq

[civic ocean]

in theory you'd want either apollo or aph for wind elements or hestia for s-s-s-scorch

[zenith bolt]

aphro-demeter duo is also a damage boost technically

[bleak night]

how many Air boons do I need to activate that ?

[distant ocean]

demeter-zeus and maybe hestia with freezer burn lol

[bleak night]

because I won't be running Forsaking and I'll probably turn on Artificer since it's 0 Fear

[zenith bolt]

iirc air quality is 5?

yeah https://i.imgur.com/iL9ZmB6.png

[bleak night]

I can probably do Hestia-Demeter-Zeus if I'm lucky enough to get 5 Air from stacking just Zeus

also Hermes and Artemis have Air, so that helps

[distant ocean]

big dreams big memes

[bleak night]

am I allowed to press Cast or should I also disable

I'm thinking enable Attack until I get a sprint with damage

[zenith bolt]

i find it funny that zeus has like 1 boon that actually benefits from his infusion

[distant ocean]

get freggin scorching ring with cyclone add-on, with cyclone sprint and the follow you cast

[bleak night]

who has the follow cast again ?

[oblique dock]

idk if anyone's thought about this yet but it just occurred to me that you can take the bonus first damage vow and just walk into fire for a small tick instead of a chunk from other enemies

[distant ocean]

also demeter

[zenith bolt]

omega cast that follows you is demeter

[weak wave]

does anyone know if the keepsake from circe only works for one guardian or if you could potentially activate up to 3 arcana cards with it before chronos?

[distant ocean]

double cyclone! and scorch while sprinting!

[zenith bolt]

local climate i believe it is

[distant ocean]

that's only about 15 boons you need, sounds simple enough xd

[bleak night]

I've disabled the timer, time to go for it. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1240893571414888478/image.png?ex=664837b2&is=6646e632&hm=18eb23131a5d12a1455ae1fcc216eba7a9aa36fb0d2d7ac1f7336105ef7b662d

[zenith bolt]

oh yeah is origination multiplicative or how does it work

[bleak night]

whoops, I should return Dash and remove Special, mb

there we go, no Attack or Special

[distant ocean]

who neesd to sprint in a sprint build

i'ma give it a shot too

[snow rover]

Are separate damage bonuses like 30% from enemy in cast and 50% from being under 100% mana calculated additive or multiplicative?

[distant ocean]

heard additive, should be easy enough to test tho

[snow rover]

Yeah nvm it's additive

[stoic tinsel]

I have started playing, and I have a concern. Will speedruns need to die to Chronos to set Evil Eye to Chronos?

[distant ocean]

they are additive

can confirm just tested rq :']

they're still good though, It's still a good idea to play low life with strength even

the little bit of damage helps immensely esp at the start of runs

[jolly bramble]

this strength build im running is killing me

[glossy rivet]

what fear should i use for 20 hear skull?

[elfin sentinel]

so I feel powerful and it's hilariously fun lmao - but this is also kinda crazy

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1150128834805518406/1240898431908577341/image.png?ex=66483c38&is=6646eab8&hm=82b4085a51aefb1e04f3ca6725afe95f2bfc735527f9ba079e89bb66fb3dd599&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=436&height=385

[split igloo]

where do you get the codex upgrade to see what boons each god has?

[terse junco]

It's a cauldron spell, like most things. It requires a golden apple

This site has the info, though: https://hades2-crossroads.vercel.app

[novel maple]

you unlock the incantation by gifting every god once iirc

[jolly bramble]

you need to get all the gods keepsakes then the incantaion will appear

[hot citrus]

why does torches feel so strange to use

[novel maple]

cuz their special don't stagger

[hot citrus]

yeah that checks out

[jolly bramble]

because you havent been indoctrinated to torches yet

[glossy rivet]

ok i definitely shouldnt use rebuke when using skull

[hot citrus]

what do you guys do for torches builds

[orchid fog]

So this new update that increases the activation time and efficiency of Sprint abilities?

[distant ocean]

resetting 47 fear runs to try and get an artemis screen cap worth sharing is making me sadge dude, it's just down to getting a good enough boon and white antler, I don't think 50fear is gonna be possible in this patch atleast not for melee, my best runs have been dropping melee altogether and trying to get poseidon special online lol and THEN transitioning to a build that I want to play but eh.. 🙂

[orchid fog]

Um... I found an unintended exploitation of this mechanic

The Hestia sprint makes Eris... trivial now.

[distant ocean]

just can not kill fast enough for revenants

not even with strength and antler

[ionic lily]

Hasnt it always been so?

[unique gate]

Good, it was bugged before and kept stopping.

[orchid fog]

Has it? It's definitely pretty crazy to just... erase all her bullets.

[reef stratus]

her pew pews disappear like houdini, its great

[ionic lily]

Its the main reason why I dont get as sad if I get hestia when I go surface

[distant ocean]

probably intended but a boring and unnecessary cheese lol

[delicate spindle]

What is a good Skull build? I am having a hard time trying to use it

[tawdry hazel]

Quick Q: does Mean Streak's counter reset when the buff wears off?

[wary flicker]

I.....i.... i just got apollo's legendary

Holy #######

[glossy rivet]

does colossus tackle improve omega special damage too?

[wary flicker]

I already have weed killer and advancing whirlwind

This is getting stupid 🤣

[silver oriole]

what's the legendary

[wary flicker]

Your charged attacks and specials are doubled

So im throwing out 2 tornadoes of mass death

[bleak night]

Died to Cerberus trying the Sprint only build

[distant ocean]

i've been resetting selene starts for the past hour.

🥸

thinking about gettingrid of the dd card cuz it just takes longer to get a reset lol

[wary flicker]

I... i just got a bonus 61% for my charged attack

[distant ocean]

so i'm not doing too much better over here

[distant ocean]

chaos?

[wary flicker]

I got a triple pom of power and it picked my weed killer

[distant ocean]

ah sweet, gettin yuge

[lusty heron]

On what aspect ?

[novel maple]

goated starts. especially if you start at 0 mana and have no mana regen card but a timer 👍

[distant ocean]

47 fear isn't even asking all that much lol

[wary flicker]

I use the aspect of charon. But then i got a heroic apollo attack buff and advancing whirlwind

[lusty heron]

Ah

[zenith bolt]

fate worse than death

selene start -> no major find for the next 5 locations

might as well just let erebus mobs kill you atp

[tight shard]

am i crazy or did they change knuckle bones? i thought it used to take 10% health from bosses? i didnt see it in patch notes

[distant ocean]

yeah, selene is basically a 50fear start lol

i think it was always 15? @tight shard

[strong lotus]

how do you get Dark to unlock aspect of Thanatos?

[terse junco]

It's on the ground in Chaos rooms

[strong lotus]

what tool?

[terse junco]

I don't think any, I have a couple from before the patch today

I just think it's super rare

[strong lotus]

[bleak night]

They're just plain rare, yeah

[delicate spindle]

Yea, Chaos room, where you randomly find it on the floor

no tool needed to pick it up

[feral ether]

k so im actually trying out staff for the first time. Do i go for an atk, special or hybrid build?

[stoic tinsel]

The meta build is machine gun poseidon special

It is in fact the any fear speedrun build

[glossy rivet]

tartarus coarse grit lets goooo

all poopy boons otherwise except 160% apollo special on mumskull

[tight shard]

for me it just says 15% dmg reduction from bosses now? but i thought it also reduced their health by 10%

[gilded forum]

how do you handle erebus at high fear? with 7 minute timer the supermajority of my runs die in erebus to timer

[ionic lily]

It reduces the first guardian by 15% hp at 3 stars, so maybe you are looking at it after it expended its charge

[oblique nova]

what three cards do people like to run with Judgement? I went with Eternity (death defiances), Titan (higher max life/magick), and Origination (2 curse damage buff), though I wonder if I could do better

[oblique nova]

the health reduction only works on one guardian

[hollow crypt]

what's the build for Skull? I tried Medea the other day and it's not very wieldy

[tight shard]

ahh i didnt realize oops! THanks!

[hollow crypt]

I run the bottom left corner for rerolls

[oblique nova]

i vibe with that

[hollow crypt]

usually I do that and start with White Antler to power through Erebus

[exotic coyote]

they added instant dash to the game?

[tired fulcrum]

Swift runner dash is basically monozagdash

[zenith bolt]

titan champions swift runner is probably what i'd go for on current patch

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1240918772974489631/image.png?ex=66484f2a&is=6646fdaa&hm=c2a570b85ae23520ed8ce6cee5b6ec85588edb335ddb5453937d4852f78567c3

[zenith bolt]

judgment is kinda meme so i dont see myself running it on higher fear anyway

[bleak night]

That's the last one I needed

[zenith bolt]

https://i.imgur.com/YZXheKs.png

[delicate spindle]

rookie numbers

[zenith bolt]

so true

i should be grinding 40 hours a day 11 days a week fr

[delicate spindle]

das rite

whats everyones fastest surface run?

[bleak night]

about 7:50 for me, I see people getting it in 5 mins 15, etc

[delicate spindle]

damn, what was your 7:50 build?

[bleak night]

I was using the Axe and got a Heroic Hera off the gate

[zenith bolt]

uh 9 minutes or so i think? i forget

not exactly trying to speedrun though either

[bleak night]

do we have any use for Plasma yet ?

[zenith bolt]

i dont think so?

i dont remember using it on arcana and you cant like sell it broker or anything

[bleak night]

best keep farming it then, it'll be for something in the future

[zenith bolt]

i assume it'll be part of incantations in the future i guess

[brittle prairie]

What do you get Plasma from???

[zenith bolt]

chaos mining

[brittle prairie]

Ah misremembered the name

[zenith bolt]

grahh i still need like 24 nightmare

i really hope hidden aspects don't use nightmare dude 😭

[tired fulcrum]

nice hopium

[bleak night]

how are you farming your nightmare ? Play whatever has the Bones bonus and hope Charon is selling it ?

[zenith bolt]

yeah pretty much

dark thirst stuff, fishing, charon. that's about it

[brittle prairie]

Dark Thirst feels so tiny

compaeed to H1

[zenith bolt]

2 bones per location and each run is 40-45 locations worth is like 80-90 bones per run for free

[civic ocean]

So, if I understand correctly, Origination and Furies arr both additive bonuses?

[zenith bolt]

it's just like each location reward of bones is 50 laoo

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah

[brittle prairie]

Is Toula and Rod better or Toula and Shovel?

[zenith bolt]

toula and rod is going to get you the most

[tired fulcrum]

Basically everything is additive except crit

[bleak night]

the most fish, that is

[civic ocean]

I'm wondering if I'm meant to cut them for Unseen on Torches

[hollow crypt]

Dark Thirst chooses the weapon then I do the Testament

[zenith bolt]

im rocking 10 rerolls + max rarity stuff as well to grind out fated list

[hollow crypt]

I never have money for Charon anyways

[bleak night]

we've run out of testaments atm, it's 28/30 and the other two aren't showing up

[tired fulcrum]

Though for some reason romantic spark is multiplicative 200%

[zenith bolt]

what duos do i even need ugh

[civic ocean]

It triples the blitz damage?

[tired fulcrum]

Testaments should just give double or triple the nightmare

[hollow crypt]

for now I haven't reached that point but when I do I'll just do low Fear Judgement fun runs and buy it off Charon

[brittle prairie]

I wonder if its bugged cause the daggers didnt have a rank 12 or 20 I think

[tired fulcrum]

Doubles, despite saying +200% in the description.

[bleak night]

the daggers bounties are bugged, yeah

[civic ocean]

Oh wild

[bleak night]

pretty much what I've been doing

[tired fulcrum]

Toasting fork damage is also added at the end of romantic spark procs

[zenith bolt]

zeus + demeter, zeus + hestia, zeus + aphrodite, zeus + hera (king's), demeter + hestia, apollo + hestia, hephaestus + hestia...
looks like im taking mostly zeus and hestia then

[tired fulcrum]

Unless they fixed it

[civic ocean]

I think on Mel Torches since I'm banning born gain and poseidon I'm meant to use unseen to supplement the other gains, and it's really hard to proc origination going for the billion balls build with Apollo Aphrodite

[zenith bolt]

i suppose for optimal bone grinding you would run 10 rerolls and always reroll locations to bones

[silver oriole]

655dmg on omega attacks on the first boss
this run starting strong

[bleak night]

can we still fish in Asphodel when we get sent there or probs nah

[zenith bolt]

doubt, given how rare it is

[civic ocean]

Can you fish prior to combat ending?

[scenic saddle]

what are curse effects ? weak, slip etc?

[zenith bolt]

curse is any debuff

[bleak night]

I've no clue atm, I never paid attention to that stuff in Asphodel is all

[scenic saddle]

k maybe that one arcana card would be good to lvl up

[civic ocean]

Daze
Scorch
Vent
Freeze
Chill (cyclones from demeter)
Slip
Hitch
Weak
Blitz

[rich oxide]

Any negative effect on enemies granted from boons

[zenith bolt]

missing charm

[civic ocean]

I'm wondering about Origination now

50% is a lot but by the time I assemble two statuses how much more than a pom or two is it? Hmm.

[glossy rivet]

50% is probably more than 2 poms worth of buffing

[tired fulcrum]

Well poms fall off quite quickly

[civic ocean]

It's 1 aph pom

[glossy rivet]

yeah well i dont always have aphro special on me

[rich oxide]

Any good builds (I need them for a project)

[civic ocean]

I do on this build

Or maybe don't care that much about it hmmmge it's tough

[tired fulcrum]

Aphro special i think poms 50/30/20

[frosty ruin]

Wow I just had to worst time trying to fight Polyphemus with the axe. No attack boon offered and it was just Demeter and Hera the whole time. The rams in that suck really hard to deal with. They just eat up your health and basically do damage instantly multiple times in quick succession

[tired fulcrum]

But if youre going for hearthrob then itll prob make a big diff

[snow rover]

Wtf is vent?

[tired fulcrum]

Heph curse

[sturdy trail]

Its nice

[civic ocean]

It seems impossible to get the heartthrob duo and the apollo legendary and get Origination up at the same time

[snow rover]

Which god is it? I don't recall seeing it ever

[tired fulcrum]

.

[rich oxide]

Hephaestus

[sturdy trail]

You take heph BONK, then later you get offered vent, which is a time delayed bonk thats applied after you hit someone with bonk.

[civic ocean]

Unless I go Aph gain but Aph gain is not nearly enough mana sheesh

[silver oriole]

crit for 2k on the next boss wew

[tired fulcrum]

You can do pash dash or cast ig

[snow rover]

Oh that's why I've never seen it, thought my game was bugged or something. I've only taken that once, it's dps is so bad

[tired fulcrum]

And pray for dem or something

[civic ocean]

It's really hard to get Apollo's legendary with the boon junkers while also getting dazed

[rich oxide]

Any good builds for axe?

[civic ocean]

I think it must be Dash, Cast, Gains from Aph and Demeter.

Which means I think I unironically am playing Tranquil Gain a decent chunk of the timr

[plain fossil]

spin to win axe is probably the easiest build to succeed with at low medium heat i would think

click aph attack, click hammers because psychic whirlwind is OP, go to town

[civic ocean]

And go for mana pots and roll chaos for mana whenever possible

Sounds like fun tbh

[plain fossil]

hey there was something in the patch notes about dash canceling, did anyone check if you can dash cancel advancing whirlwind now

[zenith bolt]

another duo obtained https://i.imgur.com/loTTji0.png

[gilded forum]

how do you not take damage on high heats, especially running melee weapons? enemies attack really quickly and there's really nothing i can do since i have to be within range in order to damage them?

i was trying a bunch of 32 heat aspect of artemis runs and i felt like i needed to take damage in order to have a chance of clearing enemies in time, because if i just kite their range, fights take too long

[plain fossil]

Personally ive been trying my 32s without a timer for this reason

[zenith bolt]

ok it's just actual factual health regen

[rich oxide]

Any good torch builds?

[bleak night]

memes or actual ?

[plain fossil]

Some of the other guys in here do theirs with a timer, the conclusion we drew is that it makes different enemy types dangerous but its still possible to take minimal damage if you're comfortable with enemy attack patterns and dont mess up your cast placement

[rich oxide]

Actual

[bleak night]

Ah, I can't help then

[plain fossil]

U just wanted to post ur ocean of pink blobs again lmao

[bleak night]

...yep

[gilded forum]

im kinda out of stuff to turn off though
i consider revenants much too hard to turn on and i only have take more damage or lose 4 boons left

[plain fossil]

Well revenants arent so bad without a timer

Because they just make fights take a million years

[rich oxide]

Okay meme then

[bleak night]

@plain fossil I have permission to post the ocean of pink blobs again

[zenith bolt]

i never realize how much i hate revenants until i do runs without having them on

[plain fossil]

Pink blobs incoming

[bleak night]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1238124170282532944/1240872146708860978/Pink_Aura.mp4?ex=664823be&is=6646d23e&hm=e81b12c902b855b93943cebb47e9a1e50ce6b7bdeced326e70d33f5ba6415d99

It's Apollo-Aphrodite-Hera, and it's fun

[zenith bolt]

i wonder if any of the other familiars we get in the future will be more attack-oriented

[jolly bramble]

see, this is why those specials dont have stagger

[zenith bolt]

yea you being able to use multiple omega specials at once on torch is probably why they dont stagger

for regular special probably similar vein with just being spammable

[frosty ruin]

Really hoping for a snake familiar with poison abilities.

[timber fractal]

What to run on thanatos axe?

[bleak night]

realized I didn't post the victory screen for it either

[bleak night]

Whacha tryna do on it ?

[timber fractal]

atleast try to dodge 😭

[bleak night]

why ?

[timber fractal]

win 😄 LMAO, i usually just run aphro attack and apollo/demeter cast

[bleak night]

what Fear are you trying to run it in

[timber fractal]

uh 0-0 0?

or ig i can increase it

[bleak night]

Oh, then you should be fine with Aphro-Apollo

[timber fractal]

what're other builds? im kinda bored of em

could i run pos on attack?

[bleak night]

Hera-Demeter is reliable and good defensively, if you'd prefer something that's both great at damage and the ability to crowd control targets around you + live for a long time with Coarse Grit

It's my usual go-to if I'm attempting a serious run

[timber fractal]

i want big damage 😼 but i can try that...dont have their trinkets yet tho

[bleak night]

Hera is fully Earth boons, and Demeter gives you access to Coarse Grit, which is 6 Earth boons = 15 HP is the max amount of damage you can take from any source

[quick osprey]

If you start a Moonstone Axe spin and then sprint, they do not cancel out. You can run that hell tornado full speed

[bleak night]

Try out Aphro-Apollo-Zeus. With Zeus, your Omega Cast will help proc your weapon's critical chance stacks

it's fully offensive and it's up to you to block or dodge incoming damage in order to keep that 20%

[timber fractal]

sadly dont have it maxed 🥲 we chillin with the 4 LMAO

[bleak night]

oh LOL

[timber fractal]

i can add him sure, sounds fun

[bleak night]

basically, you go for Hearthrobs and the Aphro-Apollo duo

[timber fractal]

is it smart to use aromatic phial to get my attack to heroic?

[bleak night]

it's great, yeah

[timber fractal]

like i purposly try to get a common attack

[bleak night]

I mean, are you certain you get Aphro without the keepsake ?

[timber fractal]

noooo use aphro keep at start, once its the changing room change your keepsake THEN drink from the water

[quick osprey]

i've killed chronos three times without knowing that

[timber fractal]

so you can use it immediatly after hecate

[bleak night]

Axe has a lot of hidden techniques for it atm that I've been practicing

[bleak night]

Up to you, but imo it'd be better to use a Zeus or Apollo keepsake after, whoever you don't get. If it's both, focus on Apollo

[timber fractal]

ig, also is pos good for attack? ive wanted to try it since i used it for aspect of pan

[zenith bolt]

very nice https://i.imgur.com/ToottUu.png

[bleak night]

honestly, I'd only consider using Poseidon on the Axe if you're doing a meme run

[timber fractal]

i thought he was good for dps

[bleak night]

He's great on dps because he adds flat damage to things with low base damage

Axe has high base damage, so you'd rather just get % boosts so it'll end up stronger

[timber fractal]

ahhh i get it

how do i get the boon book thing i saw, it had like all of each gods boons

[zenith bolt]

bah what do i even do with these now https://i.imgur.com/iQr8gsf.png

let me spend 10 on 2 nightmare thanks

[frosty ruin]

Need to get the keepsake of every god

Well, boon giving god anyway

[timber fractal]

ah im still missing hestia and hera 😦

I still dont knnow what are good arcana cards to run 💀

[bleak night]

Are you on 30 grasp ?

[timber fractal]

28

[zenith bolt]

something interesting to go with for medea run https://i.imgur.com/h0Zeiz2.png

[feral wren]

anyone else's carpal tunnel flaring bad LOL https://imgur.com/a/uLyWayl

[zenith bolt]

smilers https://i.imgur.com/wSMsvon.png

[summer edge]

for 10 hours non stop lmao

[feral wren]

I clock in

[summer edge]

ive barely gotten in 50 hrs

[bleak night]

bruh lol

[feral wren]

me neither. I am at 41, but I've had it less than a week ...

[zenith bolt]

ok playing medea with just attack -> special -> attack -> special feels so much better

[summer edge]

i bought it the next day it came out and ive basically been putting my entire time playing it

[snow rover]

It feels to me like everyone runs the same exact setup and swaps the same couple cards for attack builds vs cast builds tbh

[bleak night]

Yeah, you have way more playtime than I do https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1240935873646825502/image.png?ex=66485f17&is=66470d97&hm=9dd5d03d5740b155350b5d65d06f1f8867bee7b75093dfa3fda7b5895864c244&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1240935921604366386/image.png?ex=66485f23&is=66470da3&hm=055f869bdc196d7585d78d2edb3ad801c677b4df0e6283b5d388e8debd0f53e8&

[sly turret]

Did they fix any of the broken hammers with the patch?

[bleak night]

nope

The Axe still can't crit with those whirlwinds

[hidden summit]

i have 29.9 hours T_T

[bleak night]

At least you have moderation

[hidden summit]

gonna 100% it c:

[timber fractal]

ah okay i was worried

[feral wren]

yeah dont do what i am doing lol

sitting for 10 hours straight playing is painful

[zenith bolt]

entering oceanus with my third one of these this run https://i.imgur.com/SisXens.png

[wild cloak]

How are people reaching 90-100 hours.......

At least, so soon after ea dropped

[zenith bolt]

it's mostly the mental illness

[feral wren]

yea i second that '

[wild cloak]

I'm unemployed, homeschooled, and I still only have like 30 lol

[zenith bolt]

https://i.imgur.com/8PkeoaV.png on medea skull do i just give up

[feral wren]

yes

[bleak night]

I leave it on in the background while I'm doing other things sometimes

[wild cloak]

So valid actually

I haven't opened the game in like 3 days, still salty about losing a 12 minute Chronos fight :3

[feral wren]

that is so painful

[wild cloak]

Worst part is I had 5 DDs 😭

[feral wren]

💔

[wild cloak]

My build just kinda sucked (how do I do consistent damage when my only dps increase is Apollo attack on Mel Skull 😭)

[dapper wyvern]

all current weapon aspects included 👍 🦛 https://tiermaker.com/create/hades-2-weapon-aspects-early-access-623219

[wild cloak]

Even if I don't have a billion hours in this game (or the first one) I still love this game to death :3

[feral wren]

just loving the game is all that matters 😄

[wild cloak]

Hell, Chronos has my favorite fight in any roguelike total

[supple yew]

do you guys find any other build besides Aphrodite's attack and special damage build that is as strong as hers or even better? I keep going back to Aphro boons bec ause they are very strong.

[wild cloak]

Poseidon iirc

From what I remember they're both very close in dps

[supple yew]

I also get posedion to get their Duo because it counts all enemnies near

Poseidon alone is close?

[wild cloak]

Think so

[ornate schooner]

I prefer poseidons special most of the time

[wild cloak]

With stuff like pan and Momus I prefer Poseidon yeah

[supple yew]

Because Aphro's special grants easily over %330 damage and I even got to %380 with heroişc rarity and Pom upgrades

[supple yew]

I will look into it thanks! It gets boring after some time playing tyhe same build. thanks

[wild cloak]

You should play Charon aspect for Axe then

Charon is very fun :3

[dapper wyvern]

+1 vouch for charon axe

[bleak night]

you should play damage return and stack HP, it's funny

[supple yew]

I play Thanatos aspect with axe it is so OP but again with Aphro boons 😄 haha. I just feel like the others do not grant as much damage.

Okay I will definetely try Charon Aspect.

[wild cloak]

I physically can't play axe without Apollo, I can't deal with the mediocre range

[ornate schooner]

Ive seen momus talked up in here a lot, I think its a bit overrated

[supple yew]

I love tanky builds. How does that exactly work?

[timber fractal]

do chances to dodge stack?

[ornate schooner]

more of a circe fan myself

[wild cloak]

Have you done a run with Double moonshot on Momus

[supple yew]

Oh yes. That is a gatling gun amazing

[ornate schooner]

no havent done that

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/778505838003879938/1240849957116706878/image.png?ex=66480f13&is=6646bd93&hm=bfc12d3572c181287c320b6e3b29b7fb93d7590932152dafbfa2b3bfe8302fe4&

[supple yew]

but again with Aphro boons 😄

[wild cloak]

If you haven't played with Double Moonshot, the aspect seems balanced LOL

[bleak night]

x19.65 damage return for the funnies

[wild cloak]

Excuse me

[timber fractal]

cause i have aphros infusion and hermes dodge chance

[bleak night]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1238124170282532944/1240852449934184568/Why_are_you_hitting_yourself_gramps_reduced_filesize.mp4?ex=66481165&is=6646bfe5&hm=37a303fb2d0236486266fb657c3c20b1461a46a941c248bd6306628fbe30f0ef

[supple yew]

how did ytou get all these heroic?

[bleak night]

Rare Crop and Bridal Glow

[wild cloak]

Bro, this build did more damage than that Mel aspect Skull 😭

[timber fractal]

(what're those they sound familiar

[bleak night]

Rare Crop is from Demeter. Randomly choose some boons, and they'll get reverted to common, every few encounters they get upgraded one rarity, up to Heroic

Bridal glow is from Hera, it's the reverse. Start Heroic, it drops after every 7 or 8 encounters

[dapper wyvern]

bridal glow in the last tartarus shop is such a blessing

[bleak night]

I got Hera's late and Demeter's in the middle of the run

[supple yew]

this is ridiculous. You dont even play 😄

[timber fractal]

wait thats insane

[plain fossil]

bridal glow is probably the single best boon to get in act 4

[jolly bramble]

so we cant return the 999 damage?

[plain fossil]

i cant think of a better one anyway

[supple yew]

some boon info on this please 😄

[bleak night]

I had the Apollo one before and it didn't activate when I got hit by the oneshot, so I just didn't even try to get hit by it. Maybe I should have, but idk

[jolly bramble]

nasty comeback would probably be to broken if you can return it by 1000%

[bleak night]

Hera + Demeter + Apollo, go for Revenge-based boons (damage return on hit), then try to go for Apollo's infusion, which lets you heal 30% of the damage taken from the recent hit

you can also get Coarse Grit, but I didn't get it this run

[bleak night]

true, they def planned for it, because even a normal 500% would be devastating

[jolly bramble]

does coarse grit reduce the nasty comeback damage

[bleak night]

Probably, yeah, but it also ensures you can afk the entire thing, and that oneshot will only do 15 rather than 999

if I had Coarse Grit, I would've gotten myself smacked by that

[zenith bolt]

3 aspects to go https://i.imgur.com/c9qZ1pt.png

probably gonna go charon -> moros -> circe i think

[formal wyvern]

did they stealth patch echo offering the sad onion? i remember having it as an option before, but this time it just skipped to the reward i got before it

might just be mistaken though

[thin notch]

am i the only one that feels like the the torchs moveset in its self just feels wrong? it just seems innately week

[bleak night]

a lot more people are coming around to Torches, I feel the good aspect, Eos, is all about kiting and having proper dash timing to return all those attacks you threw out back

I personally prefer the base aspect because I enjoy meme builds

[queen charm]

I like Moros aspect

[bleak night]

iirc that one is bugged atm, the collision is glitchy

[queen charm]

Zues on moros special just eats enemy health

[bleak night]

Like, it can be good, just bugged atm

[thin lantern]

moros would be incredible if it worked, like, the DAMAGE is insane.

[thin lantern]

what are you referring to?

like, echo offering the First Boon curse onion?

[tired turret]

I feel like axe isn't very useful for 20% enemy speed or higher

[zenith bolt]

did some digging through my old recordings and, including attacks that happen automatically (e.g. clock hands) and "attacks" that involve summoning enemies (summoning banners and phase transitions), chronos has 19 different attacks across both phases

[wet nova]

Damage is insane but one thing I don’t like is the orbs collide with each other themselves so at some point they have weird placements

[glossy rivet]

pick tartarus bridal glow
i need this since i have only common hera attack on axe
bridal glow picks... healthy rebound and shameless attitude
APHRODITEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[tired turret]

Are you counting each dash as seperate?

[queen charm]

even if Moros is bugged it still feels better than the skulls to me

[tired turret]

Or each cut pattern?

[thin lantern]

that's literally what we're talking about, things 🅱️roke.

[zenith bolt]

for the combos, i counted them separately as their own attacks

[wet nova]

Oh that’s not intended?

[zenith bolt]

without them, it's 15 attacks total
the 4 combos chronos has are 2x swipe, 2x swipe -> charge, charge -> 2x swipe, and 3x charge

[thin lantern]

well, I think they're supposed to bunch up on or around the enemy for monster damage, but currently they just bunch up at your feet, in a straight line with attack speed, or on the other side of the arena after whooshing past enemies.

[queen charm]

yeah I hate that about the attacks-in my experience they go well past enemies to be useful

so I just omega special and collide them that way

[wet nova]

I imagine the 2 split attack should theoretically be handy for this aspect never tried it tho

[queen charm]

they'd still go past enemies

[thin lantern]

it is also partly because the attacks are about 15 degrees misaligned to the left of your targeting cursor, but also they seem to have piercing through enemies anyway?

[queen charm]

yeah

[thin lantern]

Moros just kinda needs an adjustment to make it work specifically in a way that's useful for it

[queen charm]

itd be busted if it worked, tho its still strong

[thin lantern]

the fact that it's usable in its barely functional state is proof that its potential to do unga bunga damage is real

[queen charm]

now for the skulls-I like Medea's concept but I dont like the options for it and Persephone takes too long to get nutty

[formal wyvern]

i mean where echo offers a copy of your last room reward, I thought that included copying the first boon curse onion if that was your last reward, but this time it just gave me reward from the room before that

[queen charm]

tbh I think one of the best options for Medea is still the hammer that makes the omega special waves turn inward

[zenith bolt]

medea needs some fixes to not get hard stuck in certain oceanus fights but otherwise im fine with it

[tired turret]

I love Zeus on torch special and Hera attack

[thin lantern]

fellas, is marauder slice utterly useless, or is there a way to brute force it into being useful?

[bleak night]

I'm enjoying the new Axe techniques

[tired turret]

I think that madea should shoot out a short distance upon special

[zenith bolt]

medea skull feels not terrible with like aphro attack zeus special

[glossy rivet]

goddamn man i had an apollo legendary thanaxe run and i still died vs chronos bc i skill issued trying to avoid getting hit at phase 2
i did another run with ASAP coarse grit and boom success

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1240952886951673856/practice.mp4?ex=66486ef0&is=66471d70&hm=dbaddfb802810d0a0a76f5891c62da9b29f7607c2a09e476ae8086d220cdc756&

[glossy rivet]

and the coarse grit run was with common lv1 hera omega special spam

[thin lantern]

I feel like Medea should either have SOME iframes on the normal special, or have extended normal special range or something.

[glossy rivet]

coarse grit >>>>> more spinny

[zenith bolt]

i assume shielding is for resetting axe combo

[bleak night]

the shield somehow extends into your dash attack's frames

[zenith bolt]

insane

[bleak night]

Give it a try, it's kinda fun

[queen charm]

also Medea feels terrible when your enemies have +40% speed and they hit you right after leaving the omega special

[glossy rivet]

explain this in words please
is it: tap special and dash immediately?

dash-strike*

[zenith bolt]

i can get it by tapping dash then special->attack in quick succession

[bleak night]

sprinting then pressing attack will lead to a dash attack

Sprint -> shield tap -> dash attack -> dash -> shield tap -> dash attack

extended invulnerable frames in front of you + damage

[zenith bolt]

seems like it wouldnt be that good without that one dash attack hammer though

[bleak night]

if you drop Special too fast, you lose the invulnerability, so it has to stick around by being vulnerable

[bleak night]

mostly good for breaking blue hearts I feel

[trail cedar]

hey guys, new to the game, what does rarify boon mean? It just raises common to rare or something? so i get that boon less likely?

[bleak night]

Oh, Common / Rare / Epic / Heroic are just tiers for boons

[thin lantern]

playing daggers as wrong as possible. first two gods are heph and zeus, marauder strike was my hammer for the fates, and I'm on pan

[bleak night]

by tiers, we mean that they just have higher numbers on them in general, so they're better

[trail cedar]

i meant that one upgrade where i can rarify one boon that night

[bleak night]

ignore the Rare part in terms of how easy it is to find, it's just a numbers tier

[bleak night]

Ah, that's from your keepsake. +1 tier level to the boon you choose to rarify

[trail cedar]

oh okay so it makes it stronger ?

[queen charm]

yeah, the keepsakes upgrade the rarity of boons

[trail cedar]

i see, thank you guys

[queen charm]

you can choose which one to rarify

[glossy rivet]

ok so if i dash - tap special and click attack i then get a dash strike with extra iframes?

[thin lantern]

Also, I have anvil cast on pan, and now I've learned that it actively nerfs pan. Whee

[glossy rivet]

the upwards sweep is a dash strike only move on the axe i think

[tough hamlet]

no yeah I got the cast that follows you around as you channel omega one run

[thin lantern]

playing the game wrong/10, I'm only on 9 fear (40% speed and next biome enemies) and still taking fat Ls

[tough hamlet]

That was painful lol while using pan because I also had Zeus omega cast

[trail cedar]

is power worth getting? or are percentage boons better?

[tough hamlet]

I usually opt for percentage boons personally

[thin lantern]

rofl, cat actually just killed Hecate for me

[zenith bolt]

hecate's disdain towards both of your familiars is so funny

[glossy rivet]

am i remembering things wrong or did momus get nerfed?

[zenith bolt]

wym

[glossy rivet]

rank v damage on it
was it always 30?

[zenith bolt]

yeah it's always been +30

[glossy rivet]

amomus

[zenith bolt]

[glossy rivet]

im still sore i died fighting chronos with heroic apollo attack + legendary with axe (skill issue)

fixed that next run with just coarse gritting his face off though

[knotty viper]

not yet

[glossy rivet]

do you think they're gonna nerf coarse grit

[bleak night]

please no

6 Earth is already a steep requirement

[ionic lily]

I died at kronos with a thanatos axe coarse grit run because I got too many high rarity boons and born gained myself to zero lol

[glossy rivet]

apollo axe i was hitting hard but i didnt dodge some attacks from phase 2 (i stood outside the circle) and i still died

[bleak night]

oof

[glossy rivet]

i was spending like 50 magick for a single spin that lasted like 15 seconds

it was funny but didnt protect me like coarse grit does

demeter good

actually yknowhat no i will try apollo legendary axe again

[topaz peak]

think of it like fortnite rarities. like a legendary ar is better than a normal ar as it does more damage and is rarer but there's nothing else different about them.

been trying 32 fear pan and yeah it's bloody hard.

you have to pick between getting high dps but little to no mana or lot of mana but it's gonna tak longer to clear rooms.

and then hope the rng gods will be in your favour

[queen charm]

anyone talk about how blinding sprint got nerfed? that speed definitely isnt what it used to be

[plain fossil]

man i just took like 100 damage from cerberus because his fireballs detonated off frinos lmao

[topaz peak]

it's cause they changed sprinting speed to be overall faster

[plain fossil]

i was not expecting this thing

[queen charm]

ah

[topaz peak]

so they lowered the sprint increases of the other boons and stuff

https://ibb.co/WxGpVMh

[rare brook]

So no changes to aspects itself it seems

[topaz peak]

that's the next patch

so get your 45 fear momos wins in quickly

[ruby wind]

The Aspect of Persephone is amazing, I realize now how it works

You dont need to fill all the meter just enough to get extra slides with your special. After a specific threshold you can do another special slide right after your omega special, the more you fill the farther you can go

[formal wyvern]

ah i choked hard at cronos on my 32 fear run, it was my first time getting there at 32 fear

my build was pretty trash, kinda a miracle i made it that far

[topaz peak]

At 32 fear the run really depends on the rng during erebus

If you can’t get the stuff you need then you’re kinda screwed

[formal wyvern]

i had some good luck with chaos boons, and got psychic whirlwind, but ended up getting pretty much no good regular boons, it was definitely winnable though

[topaz peak]

I find with kronos i start out strong then half way through make silly mistakes

[formal wyvern]

how do people feel about advancing whirlwind? I feel like im throwing when i ever I pick it up, but the potential seems so high

[ionic lily]

one of my favourite axe runs was advancing whirlwind with psychic whirlwind

you throw the spins, then run off or continue attacking

[formal wyvern]

yeah same here, when you get it with psychic whirlwind its definitely crazy cause you dont need to worry about the drawback of no longer being able to cancel the whirlwind

but you cant really play around just hoping to get another hammer

what happens with crystal figurine when you have no tarot cards of the appropriate level?

[glossy rivet]

supergiant pls bring back dark foresight

i had a run where i got only one boon and then offered ash/psyche/bones for the rest of erebus

[delicate spindle]

Has anyone made a Sprint Build work?

[devout trout]

What are some good synergies for the skull's aspect of medea?

this aspect's gameplay style feels so weird

[formal wyvern]

do we know how exactly the game decides on if you get a material reward or a buff reward?

[glossy rivet]

idk man
all i can do against it is use artificer for only 3 times

[formal wyvern]

i seem to get random streaks where i got without one or the other for a while in erebus and oceanus, not sure how it chooses what to offer

[glossy rivet]

sometimes my luck gets SUPER rotten and i still get ash/psyche/bones offered even in oceanus

[forest veldt]

think its mostly zeus special w/ a % attack and make sure to get another curse somewhere

[white steppe]

does the prophecy about winning with every card progress if you enable them after starting the run? (circe / judgement)

[plain fossil]

ok guys whats the strat for polyphemus without taking like 5 minutes or taking 200 damage

assuming some level of haste

[spare kite]

Yeah

[vestal bear]

Would also like to know about this
The only time I've beat him was spamming the Darkside hex to FORCE him to have safe dps windows

[vale shard]

Artificer

[snow rover]

Using non melee axe or non melee daggers, or literally anything else, just not melee axe or melee daggers

[ruby delta]

I just shred him with sickles of Melinoe and with sme attack powering boon like Apollon or Aphrodite

[snow rover]

U manage to kill him with melee without taking too much damage? Seems impossible to me, there's 0 possibility to react to some of his bs jumps

[ruby delta]

I find he has enough windup

I was moreso irritated the first few times by his "Where are you"-Attack

[formal wyvern]

i do find his contact damage while jumping to be pretty annoying, but you can get used to it well enough

[snow rover]

Maybe I haven't tried hard enough, I gave up on melee for surface very fast

[vestal bear]

Yeah same

[minor cobalt]

Hephaestus sprint is insane, Zeus sprint is also decent

[vestal bear]

I had a really amazing axe whirlwind build but he just ripped it apart and threw it in the dumpster

[snow rover]

Even on eris melee is BS. With charon axe u can literally just kill her while you're completely safe behind a pillar, lmao

Surface bosses are way too anti melee relatively speaking

[ruby delta]

Well, I do agree that Eris for my taste ends up way too often over burning surfaces

But maybe that is an issue that I havent fully figured out, how to manipulate her into not dashing until she reaches a wall

[glossy rivet]

yeah and i get liike 3 transformations tops before running out halfway thru erebus
maybe on top of dark foresight or artificer buff minor finds need rewards like in hades 1 where cthonic keys give +1 rerolls or gemstones extra coin

Yeah and I only get like what 3 transformations

[lament kestrel]

he really needs to not do dmg when hes in the air

thats the only reason why i take sm damage

it doesnf make sense

[mystic bison]

Just dash thru shockwaves, keep staying behind him - especially as he winds up for a jump

Also if you don't kill all the adds he doesn's summon more waves I'm pretty sure

It doesn't take me that long, like a minute and then some but no more than that - assuming you got decent dps - the city itself is harder to go thru fast than the boss himself

[sturdy meteor]

what do you think is the best boon for special on the dual blade ?

[plain fossil]

Yea i find doing this i dont rly have much uptime

So its safe enough it just takes ages

[vale shard]

I have no doubts the buff to meta currency will be added later

[mystic bison]

I do the same maybe you play way too safe or have bad dps?

For people who don't take mana regen card how do you compensate for it early game?

[plain fossil]

Ye maybe im just too paranoid about damage

Omfg the automoderators i swear to god

[versed escarp]

does cyclone and freeze proc origination?

[plain fossil]

Its weapon dependent

[formal wyvern]

you just dont use omega skills?

or at least, most often you clear all enemies before you run out of mana anyway

[mystic bison]

I stick to Polyphemus all the time, only distance myself for jump and shockwave and immediately come back to sticking to him and hitting him

I am completely comfortable with the fight I barely take any damage

[mystic bison]

Some weapons need omega more to clear efficiently

[plain fossil]

U dont need mana early ngl

I dont click that arcana on any weapon its really expensive

[formal wyvern]

wdym by "clear efficiently"

[mystic bison]

Not taking 2min in a room

[plain fossil]

He means some weapons clear faster with mana thats all

[formal wyvern]

i mean yeah you can take a bit longer on the first few rooms

[mystic bison]

Not an option with tight deadline

[formal wyvern]

but i dont think thats something to really worry about, and its only a couple of rooms thatll youll struggle to clear before you run out of mana

[plain fossil]

Im not sure theres any early room combos that put a lot of time stress on you that mana would fix with any weapon other than maybe mel staff or than axe

[mystic bison]

I want to move on to 7min tight deadline eventually but even with mana regen card it takes me like 25 min to clear a run, I can't even fathom it without mana regen card

And the thing is mana regen boon is not guaranteed early game

[spare kite]

Join the rerolls gang

[boreal lagoon]

mana regen wont matter early game it matters more midgame when enemies spawn in larger numbers

[formal wyvern]

i havent really found the tight deadline to be a feasible choice for consistently doing high fear

[plain fossil]

Yer and when you have an actual build

[boreal lagoon]

charged attacks nuke enemies early and their arent enough to run out

[mystic bison]

Too much grasp imo, I only take the one with 3 rerolls for boons

[dire flame]

best attack boon for argent skull?

[plain fossil]

Well u do clear a lot faster with mel staff in particular if u have mana early

[mystic bison]

Yeah but even assuming that what about Hecate?

[formal wyvern]

by hecate you have enough boons to have worked something out

[mystic bison]

Not always, mana regen boon is not guaranteed and you need to fill other core boon slots

[formal wyvern]

yeah and if you've got other core boon slots you'll be doing it quick enough without mana regen

[mystic bison]

That depends on the weapon, with the axe (for example) this is unfeasible for efficient time imo

[boreal lagoon]

hecate is a slow fight with 3 invulns i dont feel a need to rush it that much anyways you're gonna get something to lean on before you reach her

[plain fossil]

im pretty sure axe is the only weapon where boss kills are a lot slower without magic

[boreal lagoon]

no thats wrong the worst weapon for bosses without mana is the torches

[plain fossil]

act 1 torches is a special build

[mystic bison]

Without bursting her down it's even slower

[plain fossil]

attack doesnt exist

[bitter aurora]

every boss will we slower without magic

[mystic bison]

Spending 3 min to kill Hecate is unfeasible

[boreal lagoon]

you cant burst down hecate lol

[mystic bison]

Yes you can she melts like butter

[plain fossil]

i dont really agree that torches and skull are a slower hecate kill without magic, and dagger isnt much slower

[mystic bison]

Invuln is a temporary pause

[plain fossil]

axe is a lot less dps without omega attack tho i will agree with that

[mystic bison]

Imagine taking your time to dps AND wait for the invulns, that's a 3min bossfight

Totally unfeasible for 7min tight deadline

[boreal lagoon]

skull isnt slower without magic you never wanna empower auto and empower e is pointless that early too

[plain fossil]

thats what i said

[ionic lily]

If mana gain is important to your build, then prioritise it with keepsakes/rerolls

[boreal lagoon]

if you're taking 1 minute to do 30% thats a you issue only weapon that needs that mana early is the torch

[ionic lily]

Like if I'm going eos torches, I'll start with hera keepsake and try for born gain asap

[mystic bison]

But if you take mana regen keepsake at start your only choice is to pray to God that you get good boons

[ionic lily]

Not mana regen keepsake, god keepsake

[mystic bison]

You mentioned keepsakes as well

[ionic lily]

Yeah my bad I reread it and realise I wasnt clear, I meant to use the god keepsake to get more chances to get your desired mana gain boon

[mystic bison]

I melt Hecate like nothing mate the issue is what would happen if you don't have the mana card safety net to fall back on

[boreal lagoon]

than you restart a run you wasted like less than a minute on?

[mystic bison]

^ This is assuming you are unlucky and don't get mana regen early (fairly often)

[delicate spindle]

Going from level 4 to 7 but only 1% increase in damage 😦 https://ibb.co/MNg4DY2

[grand prism]

Them diminishing returns be diminishing

[edgy lava]

you shouldnt really be pomming something past 3 most of the time

[delicate spindle]

Extra Diminishing on this one

huh

[grand prism]

Unless you've heroic on your posiden special with aspect of pan. Then you just pom the "stuff" out of it

[delicate spindle]

nah, i just duplicated a tripple pom and all my offered boons were allready high level

[small canopy]

No one told me that Demeter’s Cyclone Slow and Attack Freeze were two different statuses, thus activating Privileged Status

What

That’s so stupid

I love it

[edgy lava]

wait its a triple pom, does that mean if you pommed it with one pom you wouldnt have gotten an increase lmao

[delicate spindle]

thats what i was thinking. Either 1 pom and 3 pom both scales it by 1% or 1 pom does nothing

[thin lantern]

Yeah, and you can just drop it on her cast to just press one button and get origination

[small canopy]

I’m still calling it Privileged Status because I’m a slow and stubborn fool but yeah that’s so dumb I adore it

[strange kite]

hoo boi 11:31 pan that was insane. basically got perfect but somewhat late hammers but also got arachne armor for fast channeling. bit of a hiccup at the end of hecate when i ran out of mana cuz i didnt get a born gain early despite rolling for it. taking sun worshipper was a mistake cuz it just confuses the hell out me and made tartarus a bit slower for no benefit. heroic apollo sprint so gud for fields

[mystic bison]

For main dmg source (attack/special) you should

Way less diminishing returns than Hades 1 from what I've seen, also it's your main dmg source so you always gain something

[steel sequoia]

my fastest run so far, chop chop! https://postimg.cc/qhHyzZvw

[delicate spindle]

Zeus attack boon on Axe!? Does his blitz trigger on every swing?

[small canopy]

Nah it’s not THAT strong. But Ω Attack’s probably STUPID good with that

Finally, being Greek and having that keyboard on my phone is good for something

[delicate spindle]

didnt they release hades 1 on Ios

[small canopy]

What does that have to do with anything

[formal wyvern]

i finally got the 3 hammer combo: advancing whirlwind, psychic whirlwind and furious whirlwind (got 3rd hammer by intentionally grabbing hammer last in fields of mourning so echo can dupe it)

i am at 0 death defiances left so i might still throw sadly

[mystic bison]

Should omega channel slowmo be disabled for 7min tight deadline?

[tulip sonnet]

the axe is SLOW slow. love thanatos' aesthetic but at what cost 😭 i mean i did do the one with the one big swing but like. it's so good.

[grand prism]

Gotta throw in the hammer keepsake with some carzy high roll. Only then can you be the Hammer King

[summer sorrel]

True. I really want to like the axe but it's just feels so punishing. And the dmg is usually overkill on mobs

[sour cape]

I like the axe hits but feels kinda bad how dodge omega special targets the dash direction

and not where cursor is

[formal wyvern]

just finished the run, by far my quickest cronos clear and it was on my first 32 fear win somehow

[summer sorrel]

also dashing cancels the omega attack on axe. makes it impossible to use

[sour cape]

Yea dash cancel spin also feels sad

[spare kite]

That makes it feel good imo, don't have to eat hits if something's coming your way

Is why people don't like advancing whirlwind lol

[sour cape]

Oh

i thougjt bestnwould be Dash but you keep spin

[formal wyvern]

theyve at least got a hammer that lets you do that

[summer sorrel]

something is usually coming your way after the time you've spent to charge it up lol. immediately having to cancel it or get hit feels terrible to me but maybe im just bad

[formal wyvern]

i mean yeah it feels bad but its better than getting hit

[spare kite]

Psychic is best yeah, but rn is a lil bugged with Than aspect

[sour cape]

I like using the special

[tulip sonnet]

i had the glorious mistake of trying to block polyphemus' stuff? nope. not great.

[formal wyvern]

(i think there's also the unintended effect that your whirlwind continues to damage at its regular rate while you channel other effects and get their timeslow)

[sour cape]

Too much unblockable?

[spare kite]

The salt in the injury when you get the "unblockable" appears while getting hit

[sour cape]

But Apollos so fun with the enormous spins or slams

[spare kite]

Hera is my fav axe attack
Decent dmg, trashes mobs and has the prettiest effects

[silver nacelle]

Hello ! Sorry for intruding. Would someone be so kind as to explain Nasty Comeback to me ? The Hera revenge boon that deals "crazy%" of "reflected damage" 🤔
Does it reflect crazy% damage that you inflict on another enemy that the one who hurt you ? Or is it %age of the damage you yourself took ? What if there is only one enemy?
Thank you very much in advance~

[sour cape]

Poseidon onnthe axe doesnt deem good

Iscit worth taking mana regen?

[spare kite]

For axe? Yeah you wanna spin a lot
Hera's is best rn

Hestia's ain't bad

or just get chaos's mp gain boons

[wet nova]

I wish there were easier ways to guarantee chaos his boons are so good

A run with just chaos boons could potentially even work aswell lol

I hope they make a trial where it’s back to back chaos gates

Like room -> chaos -> room etc and just see how crazy the debuffs and buffs can get

Cos then you’re trying to also select debuffs that won’t screw you in boss fight whilst also choosing buffs that benefit you

[spare kite]

Would need to give you infinite light of ixion

Cuz you take like 2 gates and rip your hp

[formal wyvern]

it inflicts a multiplier of the damage that you took on to the enemy that dealt you the damage

it may seem like a lot, by even with 2000%, for every 100 damage you take it deals 2000 back - that won't get you very far

[bronze zephyr]

Which aspect of the skull is better? Or what aspects are worth

[split igloo]

Just unlocked aspects

[meager bramble]

Yeah that seems undertuned with how enemy health is against Mel's

[faint oyster]

Has anyone used a different cast outside of Apollo's for the Aspect of Charon? It feels weird that it's the only cast that works the best for this weapon.

[glossy rivet]

mmmmmm dayum got apollo legendary AND coarse grit in a than axe run

ignore phase 2 999dmg circles and just spin around granddad for like 15 seconds

[sacred storm]

does his keepsake not let you access him quite easily? not in game right now so can't remember -exactly- what it does

[wild pine]

I haven't played much Charon and figure that Apollo probably would be the clear favorite. But I feel like Demeter would be okay because you get a curse and some CC and while the omega cast damage by itself is much less, if you're also landing the special then the delta isn't horrible as a proportion

[delicate spindle]

No, his keepsake just gives you 1 of his boons at the start

[spare kite]

Gives you a free boon of them, changes every 8 encounters
Can keep it by swapping it off

[wild pine]

And especially early on getting some free damage from the casts you don't manage to detonate is stonks

[faint oyster]

Would this be Demeter cast or her cyclone?

[wet nova]

It’s the opposite instead of making you go to him he just blesses you every 8 encounters and replaces it meaning it becomes random what you actually end up with

[wild pine]

Freeze cast.

[spare kite]

Btw chaos is referred with they/them everywhere in game

[wild pine]

Although much of the same logic applies to scorch cast and weak cast

[sacred storm]

if you can swap it off to keep then that's not so bad to guarantee at least one, though

[brisk geyser]

chaos like all enbies is ancient and eldritch

[spare kite]

Yeah but the idea for a challenge would be stacking curses and buff to hell and back

[faint oyster]

Hrm... can't say for sure. I've tried using Zeus' Cast once to power my Charon run once, all I can say is that the lightning fizzles out immediately once the cast area is removed by the special. I feel like the same happens when you use other casts outside Apollo's.

[spare kite]

The greedy way is rolling charon wells for spark of ixion

[sacred storm]

Makes sense

[brisk geyser]

is charon the defacto axe aspect at this point, it seems insane but idk how it holds up in higher fear

[spare kite]

But a charon trial with constant chaos gates would be funny (or just spawn with a hundred curses if they don't want you farming their materials)

[nocturne scarab]

hi. can you deactivate an arcana card?

[faint oyster]

No, Than seems to be a good contender as well.

[bleak night]

I've been using Thanatos in high Fear

[brisk geyser]

do you happen to know how high the crit goes, havent pumped nightmare into mine yet

[spare kite]

20%

[brisk geyser]

oh hype

[split igloo]

Okay so I have all these aspects I can get but like, how do I understand all this

[bleak night]

What are you tryna understand ?

also, do you have Pokémon Scarlet or Violet? I saw your name just now

[split igloo]

How much do these change the weapon

[spare kite]

Yeah just click them again
If you mean the 0 cost cards, they will be off by default until the activation trigger is met

[bleak night]

Quite a bit, sometimes the entire playstyle changes completely

[spare kite]

0 cord casts for stuff like judgement aren't counted in its limit

[glossy rivet]

wdyt of apollo legendary on axe

[bleak night]

for the spin or the shield blast ?

[glossy rivet]

spin

[bleak night]

for the spin it's kinda trash, just doubles the duration

[brisk geyser]

tragic

[glossy rivet]

having a 15 second spin was pretty funny though

[formal wyvern]

oh it does? i was trying to figure that out, is that the case even with advancing whirlwind? i wasnt sure if it was doing anything

[glossy rivet]

though when you put it that way

[sly turret]

Best attack for thanatos axe build?

[spare kite]

Oh what, could sworn a 2nd spin appeared

[glossy rivet]

i fully charged one spin and it lasted long enough to clear an entire tartarus room with apollo legendary

[faint oyster]

Aph is usually the best for high damage, though I think you can find quite a lot of good use with other boons too.

[spare kite]

Speaking of, does it even work with the skull's Ω special

[bleak night]

Unsure

[glossy rivet]

what aspects need nmare investment the most?

[sly turret]

Psychic whirlwind is still bugged right?

[formal wyvern]

in what way?

[glossy rivet]

though, with the double ospec hammer would that give me triple cleave attack?

[bleak night]

idt the big chop is an omega

[glossy rivet]

damn maybe i should have went apollo legendary on charon axe

[formal wyvern]

that you can channel effects and time slow while it deals damage at a normal rate? if so yes

[glossy rivet]

not the hell splitter attack
i mean omega special on axe

[bleak night]

Yeah, that gets doubled

[glossy rivet]

slower mel staff with apollo legendary

tho the damage has to be better hopefully

[spare kite]

You can only gain 1% crit per spin, no matter how much you hit

[formal wyvern]

oh yeah thats still the case, same thing happens with advancing whirlwind

i feel bad getting the 32 fear trophy when the top path is still unfinished

[steep heron]

the build in the thanatos chaos trial is not bad, with demeter attack you have less damage but fewer chances to lose the crit chance

[faint oyster]

oh, true.

[wet nova]

Well you can just run a new run when the game fully releases (that’s what I plan to do anyways)

[tame loom]

What boons does everyone recommend on the Staff attack? In particular the omega

[wet nova]

Ik most wouldn’t be bothered but I wanna experience both the early access (unique dialogues that’ll be removed by then) and the full game experience

[faint oyster]

honestly, I kinda wish that Hera's cast could apply hitch too.

So that you can just combo that with the axe spin and do a lot

As it is, Hera's cast is very weird.

[formal wyvern]

hera's cast becomes very underwhelming very quickly, i dont really like how it is now with just supporting cheesing the early game fights

[tepid scaffold]

with aphro on the glypha that very strong

[faint oyster]

Would honestly be better if the longer duration was its own separate thing tbh. I can see it being very useful with status-inflicting casts

[wet nova]

Heras cast only works with the spin to win axe (since others wear off) so this would be pretty nice if it applied hitch too

[faint oyster]

Or Zeus' Omega, funny enough.

[glossy rivet]

do omega cast boons get boosted by the moon arcana?

[faint oyster]

they should

[glossy rivet]

like, what boosts apollo omega cast damage? the moon? % casts damage? is that all

[delicate spindle]

When do you start getting offered legendary boons?

[summer seal]

It can help with chipping off blue hearts, but not much more

[spare kite]

If it doesn't specify the dmg buff it also works (stuff like "your Ωs do more dmg" or aphro's "weak inflicted enemies take more dmg")

[thin lantern]

LMAO Chronos' nuke can outright miss due to daze

[spare kite]

Old man's vision is too bad now leave him alone

[jolly bramble]

damage that you take is reflected back to whoever damaged you. so if a rat dealt 1 damage, you would reflect back 1 * whatever is your multiplier

[glossy rivet]

I should try using nasty comeback on chronos 999 damage attack
How much hp does he actually have anyway?
And does the reflected damage get calculated after damage reduction?

[formal wyvern]

i would approximate him having 20k on first phase and 10k on second phase

(but i might be way off)

[bleak night]

were you able to see my meme build on the Torch btw

[glossy rivet]

So like
1000% of 999 damage is

[thin lantern]

which one, the pink ball meme?

[bleak night]

Ah, guess ya did

[thin lantern]

it might be capped by your max health.

[bleak night]

I tried a meme run with Sprint earlier, got killed by Cerb though so rip

[jade cairn]

Anyway to make umbral flames less bad? Anyboon or hammer upgrade?

[queen charm]

a few things can make it miss or have you take 0 damage-hermes' sprint shield, artemis aspect, and I think the various dodge effects can make it miss too

[formal wyvern]

yeah its not like the chaos doom effect which goes through most barriers (although funnily enough if you have armour the doom effect will only destroy your armour)

[thin lantern]

I love how Chaos is canonically stronger than Chronos but not Arachne. Or Hephaestus.

[slate zodiac]

Hera

Take Hera Attack+Magick. Prioritize Magick

[bleak night]

tempted to post the pink meme build again oml I'm addicted

[slate zodiac]

Is that the Aphro dash tech?

[spare kite]

Is balls

[bleak night]

#h2-victory-boasting message

[slate zodiac]

Ah, Mel torches

Sorry, I default to thinking people are talking about Eos

[bleak night]

I like to watch them spin around

[brittle prairie]

Honestly that seems a lot more entertaining than I was initially lead to believe

[mystic bison]

What do people run with Pan daggers? Poseidon special?

[jolly bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-dark-kermit-gif-13921433

[slate zodiac]

Turns out all we needed to make torches fun was to make them broken

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1240870334731653160/image.png?ex=6648220e&is=6646d08e&hm=a65e89e8d9db01443b0477938bcb347e7fceab71e3a3efab7671a9cf3278827b&

[jolly bramble]

if youre willing to gamble on aprho pos duo, put aphro on special for big numbers

[timber pawn]

Ya typically poseidon special, and then ideally spiral knives hammer

[timber pawn]

That probably works really well actually, doesn't it

[spare kite]

Hugging enemies also works
cuz I forget I have the duo

[bleak night]

it does 900 damage at a mere touch, so yeah

[jolly bramble]

if you omega attack first, then no issue. i cant bother a lot

[mystic bison]

Gonna try Poseidon special into Hestia duo rn

[spare kite]

the blades have an Ω attack?

[mystic bison]

Really fun build I melted Kronos with this exact build

[timber pawn]

That was my 32 heat run, I got the ranged cast from hestia too

Made the build pretty safe

[mystic bison]

Yeah the ranged cast would help a lot, and it's the best ranged cast boon bar Hades Howling soul

[timber pawn]

If you get the hades cast still take it, it makes the cast stick to chronos

[summer sorrel]

Can someone explain the Apocalyptic Storm duo boon?

"Your Blitz effects last longer, and activate against all Blitz-afflicted foes at once."

[timber pawn]

You want to spread blitz to everything in the room and then proc it on one enemy

And it hits everyone in the room

[mystic bison]

Yep it's an insta pick whenever available

[sour cape]

Whats a good combo for axe?

[timber pawn]

I'm a bit of a button masher so sometimes I don't take it lol, since I just send it off in random directions

[timber pawn]

Which aspect?

[civic ocean]

It also sometimes males the cast go for the mobs instead of grandpa phase 2 which is stinky

[hollow crypt]

how we feel about than aspect

[summer seal]

Love it but can't keep from dying because I don't know to play axe well enough

[hollow crypt]

I think it shouldn't lose its Crit if you have armour, since you're not actually taking damage