h2-builds-and-combat

[thin lantern]

Yes

[placid night]

Does hard target work on bosses

[strange kite]

no

judgement is gamba.

do not become addicted to gamba

[tall notch]

Issue is, you'll be really weak early into a run with it. And very inconsistent since you won't have rerolls for a while

[frigid herald]

You can get 15 Arcana by clearing 3 bosses
Plus the original 3, and Judgement itself

Add to that the one you can get off of uhhhh
The keepsake

and you can get lots!

but

If you're real sneaky about it... you can actually get more.
If it's the only un-upgraded card, you can guarantee that the keepsake will activate it for free! this means you'll only actually upgrade uhhhhh. 3 per boss, tho. And you need one boss to activate it
Still, an extra six cards, guaranteed, and you can have a fully-kitted arcana build to start

[zenith bolt]

real winners gamble

[frigid herald]

However. this doesn't work forever. eventually, your keepsake will upgrade, and it'll be able to pull from Any Of Your Arcana

Pour one out for a real one, team

[strange kite]

lmao downgrading keepsake

[safe bone]

does selene count as one of the 4 slots

[zenith bolt]

unfortunately circe's items are doomed to be garbage

[wintry robin]

that is hilarious

[tall notch]

Is constantly creating new save files going to be the 55 fear strat??

[brittle prairie]

Momus Moment

[frigid herald]

^D^
I mean. you're also giving up your first keepsake! But erebus is erebus, you'll be fiiiiiiiine

you just don't get to stack Infinite Armor from silken thread, which is a bummer

[frigid herald]

😄

[tall notch]

Erebus actually feels like the hardest region on Pan ngl

[civic ocean]

Erebus is the hardest region in the game I think

[frigid herald]

Mmm.... with fear and all, yeah, actually....

[strange kite]

wut? erebus isnt hard on pan i think. unless ur doing the 0 mana heat

[wet nova]

its only cos of the fact you can get future regions, and the second region has some realllyy annoying mobs

like the seahorse shooting fire balls is canceerous to face

[frigid herald]

If you're trying to Full Fear it

[strange kite]

okay

[thin lantern]

To be fair, fish are free nemesis money.

[strange kite]

can u even take the prime 10 heat on a mana build?

[thin lantern]

Like... Tiny fish are a good way to shakedown Nem for a hundred gold tbh

[civic ocean]

I think it's more that most builds have their damage come online about halfway through Oceanus, and are much more powerful relative to the enemies in Fields and Tartarus

[thin lantern]

Wait for her to slap the shields off and then just blitz the fish

[tall notch]

Yes, just take max mana pickups every now and then. And get rid of rarity-boosting arcana. Powerful builds can get by on commons for anything that isn't their most important boons

[thin lantern]

Well not literally blitz the curse, as in, just shred them into fillets

[frigid herald]

halfway through oceanus sounds pretty far, but... eh, that's actually fair. I can count on one hand the number of times I've felt i had a build set prior to oceanus

[strange kite]

also do u just take the start with 0 mana fear but use the mana regen arcana to build it back up?

[frigid herald]

the mana regen arcana is like. necessary lol
Imho

[tall notch]

Not on mana builds that aren't going for room 1 born gain

[strange kite]

okay

i guess ill just have to toss that 1 point somewhere else. doesnt seem too bad

[potent grotto]

Am I able to post screenshots in here?

[thin lantern]

Fields actually can get weirdly difficult if you roll the wrong Chronos mooks.

[civic ocean]

I think only Momus and Medea can reasonably do 0 mana?

[tall notch]

Eos can too. Just reset if you don't get born gain

[thin lantern]

Like... You can run into some truly stupid enemy comps sometimes

[frigid herald]

upload to imgur, post link

[civic ocean]

Well I guess anything can if they get floor 1 born gain right

[zenith bolt]

cerb is rng hell like randomly he's the worst fight ever and randomly he's just free

[strange kite]

i hate the werewolves more than any kronos room mobs

[civic ocean]

does he start running around or not basically eh

[pale vortex]

Guys are daggers worth learning them or stick with staff till I get the next one? Also is otbworth getting boons of hestia first and if yes at which spot? Attack special or cast?

[strange kite]

truuuu.the floor aoes when overlapped is hell

[potent grotto]

Can this possibly get me through the Chronos fight?
https://imgur.com/a/5S5fZ3l

[civic ocean]

yes just dont get hit

[strange kite]

but maybe u can i frame the floors?

[potent grotto]

Easier said than done

[strange kite]

heat 0? absolutely

[frigid herald]

Completely possibly!
I don't know where your damage is coming from, or if you know his attack patterns

[strange kite]

u have full death defiance so even scorch will get u through it

[tall notch]

On most builds I'd rather want damage but Eos with infinite mana does just fine against early rooms

[potent grotto]

This is probably about my like 8th time fighting him

[frigid herald]

Where's your damage at?

[summer seal]

I'm definiutely missing something, how does Born Gain help on a 0 mana run?

[potent grotto]

I've had full death defiance before and still died to him anyways so

[civic ocean]

It gives you your mana back

[tall notch]

It's for taking 0 mana fear in runs with mana

[wintry robin]

its a lot of effective mana, it automatically activates if you try to cast at 0 mana

[potent grotto]

Probably in cast and/or attack, I'm using the staff

[wintry robin]

well not cast, if you use any mana

[frigid herald]

Alright, I can see it
It'll be a slow one, but i think you can do it!

[summer seal]

Yeah, it's just me not being familiar with that fear mechanic. Appreciate the explanation

[frigid herald]

best o luck!

[rancid inlet]

Eyo, does anyone know if the Frinos upgrade to make his jump do damage is working or not? I upgraded it but haven't seen him deal any damage at all

[zenith bolt]

it does work, it's just not a lot of damage and frinos doesn't jump around that much

[white steppe]

I think I created the ultimate friendly fire build
got sun worshipper, echo gave me ecstatic obsession from last run and I might be racist but frinos kinda looks like an enemy to me sometimes, all that on an axe spin build

[steel sequoia]

idk about Frinos, best thing he does is soak the Hecate sheepstick so i dont need to dodge it

[rancid inlet]

Hmmm guess I just haven't been looking too hard then will keep an eye out

[potent grotto]

Any tricks that might help me at this point?

I've been in a position like this before with full death defiances and still died

[civic ocean]

the max hp is really, really good early on too, especially if you're doing max Desperation you will need to trade HP for time

[tall notch]

The max HP might be more total survivability if you have three DDs than another DD

[rancid inlet]

Honestly the best thing about him :D

[potent grotto]

I probably had better magick recovery in that run too so I'm not super hopeful

[civic ocean]

Stand back, take your time, stay away from him in phase 1, focus the mobs and keep your distance and spam omega attack

[zenith bolt]

frinos gives hp which is more than i can say for toula

[true walrus]

Am I missing something with aspect of Persephone? I don't understand how to actually use glory or not even sure if I ever accumulated enough to use it

[potent grotto]

Alright, thanks

[rancid inlet]

Toula gives a death defiance so kinda like 50% max hp in a roundabout way

[strange kite]

apparently it just charges at a snails pace

like actually abysmally slow

[true walrus]

Alright I did an entire run and never actually used it so idk what the heck I'm supposed to do with that

Odd

[civic ocean]

Well it gives benefits at like 15% charge so there are a few ways to play it

[brittle prairie]

Its still arguably the best skull for its omega boost passive, you just get like double special duration very occasionally

[civic ocean]

You get a nice chunk of being impervious and dealing huge damage

[tall notch]

Frinos is my fave way of dodging polymorph on +40% speed Hecate. Just position yourself so that the bolt goes straight into him

[civic ocean]

soemtimes on 40% you can't dodge it at all without frinos

[thin lantern]

It is hilarious how he can also just sit on Hecate and eat it sometimes

[strange kite]

u have to sprint away from the orb

then dodge into it and sprint away

[tall notch]

Yeah and the frog straight up can't handle some of her abilities at that speed

[split igloo]

Just drag it to Frinos. It's toadally awesome.

[strange kite]

[rancid inlet]

I didn't get the voiceline the first time, but everytime he blocks it now, Hecate just has this comment of shear disgust that you would dodge her hex with a frog

[thin lantern]

What's the problem, headmistress? Couldn't cast that spell? Frog in your throat, perhaps?

[rancid inlet]

Now that pun deserves an award

[haughty depot]

is vow of fury just movespeed, or is it also attacks?

[strange kite]

it’s everything

[wintry robin]

its horrible, I avoid it at all costs

[civic ocean]

movespeed, attack speed, projectile speed too I think

[tall notch]

It's fun

[rancid inlet]

Expected of an Eris fan tbh

[haughty depot]

what's an easy 16 fear combination for whatever build

[thin lantern]

What's vow of fury

[wintry robin]

tbh it really depends on comfort, I've heard opinions on what's worst not really on what's best, I think revenants, timed runs, reduced healing, 0 mana (born gain is OP) and discard 2 boons are overall pretty safe

the rest is pretty much up to you, I'd take more enemies and more damage before taking more HP

personally I think that Onionize boons and discard 2 boons together are kinda alright, without onionizing boons you're still eventually gonna discard most stuff

[white steppe]

how much harder do yall find fast chronos compared to normal chronos

[civic ocean]

Phase 2 much harder

[white steppe]

i honestly think phase 1 is worse and phase 2 is the same ish

[wintry robin]

phase 2 become a bit too rng for my tastes

[civic ocean]

The instakill stuff and the minion soup are way more threatening when they're 40% faster

[wintry robin]

sometimes you get smoked just because you get instakilled while the safe spot is on the other side of the room

[civic ocean]

Also he ends his instakill attack -> slowly walk to the middle -> charge another slow attack window 40% faster, making it harder to damage him

[wintry robin]

all things considered, chronos is mostly a dps check on high heat but as east is saying, speed makes it even harder to damage him

especially on what's considered the best aspects/builds right now

[potent grotto]

Okay I killed him!

[zenith bolt]

yeahhhhhh https://i.imgur.com/HbDWeHc.png

[fringe light]

congrats

[potent grotto]

I guess it was I was just taking it too fast maybe then idk

[green cypress]

I DID IT

[zenith bolt]

also managed to carry arachne dress all the way to chronos

[green cypress]

NO WEAPON NO CAST RUN

[half socket]

i find 2nd phase chronos so much easier, he barely ever attacks if you have enough dmg

[wintry robin]

very pretty

[gilded forum]

isnt discard boons strictly positive?

[potent grotto]

That's actually really impressive I can never keep it past Oceanus

[gilded forum]

like i find it easier to run discard boons than to not discard boons

[civic ocean]

Definitely not strictly

[gilded forum]

well mostly

[half socket]

can mess up your poseidon/hestia boons pretty easily but its ok like 60% of the time

[wintry robin]

it is mostly safe yes but it can mess you up BADLY sometimes

[gilded forum]

it makes it significantly easier to find the boons i want

[civic ocean]

If you have a lot of rerolls its hard to be bad

[gilded forum]

unless i mess up and run out of non-replace boons for a god before activating a duo/legendary it seems to be fine/positive because i find the legendardy/duos easier

[fringe light]

Hey guys do u have any tips for dodging chronos' weird boomerang attack? I feel like i don't have control at all whenever he does that, sometimes i dodge it out of luck and sometimes he does it 3 times in a row and melts me down

[half socket]

its mostly positioning, if you're too close it can hit you as soon as it spawns, if you're mid range same thing

but mostly listening out for the grunts helps so you can dash

if you're staff abusing though you just poke off screen it will never hit you

[civic ocean]

Also don't reflexively dodge backwards away from chronos, ever

[scenic adder]

anyone knows good build with the torches without aspects?

[fringe light]

where should i dash to tho? towards him?

[half socket]

yes

[civic ocean]

sideways or towards his back

[wintry robin]

yeah dash into him always

[half socket]

90% of the bosses in hades 2 you want to be on top of

[potent grotto]

I dash to the corners if I can personally

[brave kindle]

Did anyone do the trial with the staff in the fields of mourning? Any tips?

[potent grotto]

Like if there's room to dodge the boomerang in the corners I tend to go to the corners

[civic ocean]

specifically behind their spine

[half socket]

yep

[civic ocean]

everyone except scylla

[half socket]

the old souls like classic

[wintry robin]

"Blocked!"

[civic ocean]

and I guess the drummer

[main hatch]

Yeah. It goes in an arc around him, so hugging the hitbox and dealing damage is the best way to deal with it.

[dusty ember]

https://imgur.com/a/LkPyA3p what's better? flat dmg or %?

[half socket]

also it doesnt complete a full arc so if you stand next to him it looks like it will hit you but if you position correctly it wont

[main hatch]

I mean... you can still backstab Roxy, and she can block other attacks. So I still position behind her.

[wintry robin]

I will expand what East said, 90% of bosses and mini bosses in Hades 2 you wanna be on top of

[half socket]

2% dmg or 20%?

[wet nova]

In this case always flat damage

[zenith bolt]

i managed to keep the dress all the way to the end https://i.imgur.com/ZrxXCJ0.jpeg

[dusty ember]

idk im bad at math

[civic ocean]

enemies too like pretty much any threatening enemy in the game is bad at hitting you if you are behind them

[main hatch]

Oh yeah that's a fun challenge.

[fringe light]

guys, th cat that used to appear in fountain chambers is gone? will he ever come back?

[half socket]

honestly hardest enemy in this game are the purple skulls lol

[dusty ember]

why is wood so rare smh

[half socket]

i found him in the docks in the overworld

[wintry robin]

there's a couple big exceptions that make it hard for me to suggest it but yeah I agree and see what you mean

[half socket]

left side of the screen

[civic ocean]

that's teh 10%

[main hatch]

Only reason you'd want the percentage is if you have a bunch of other buffs stacking. Otherwise get the flat bonus.

[dusty ember]

thx i cant count

[main hatch]

Math is hard lol

[half socket]

the majority of the % in this game (except debuffs like slip and weak) are additive, which basically makes them really bad once you have arcana giving you like 100-150%

[wintry robin]

true enough but for some enemies it turns from minor inconvenience to you're gonna get hit 100%, like claw guy in erebus or pickaxe guy in rift

[proud fiber]

are there ||any other familiars besides frog and cat?||

[zenith bolt]

nah

[steel sequoia]

i think if they dont give us cerberus on the launch people will riot

[fringe light]

completely agree

[wintry robin]

I just wanna pet him man..

[white steppe]

are chaos trials made to be build showcases or challenges? if the former sometimes I really dont get what they were cooking

[civic ocean]

yes

[steel sequoia]

also as a lazy newb i miss POM

[white steppe]

like the circe staff thing, you start with apollo special but a good attack hammer but no attack boon

and they give you circe's keepsake which doesnt do anything in a trial lul

[gilded forum]

has the damage formula been scienced out for this game?

[jade cairn]

Cerberus?

[half socket]

cerberus more than most, sit on him 24/7

[zenith bolt]

progress, progress https://i.imgur.com/5hzTnLy.jpeg

[jade cairn]

Is there any new update for hades 2 coming soon. I love to see where the this story goes

[dense wadi]

So uh, anyone that know how I am supposed to finish the trial of heartbreak in the pitch black stone? I absolutely hate the torches and have no clue how to play with them. They seem so bad lol

[zenith bolt]

need 90 more moon dust. all the other mats i've covered atp

[scenic adder]

is there any good build that uses the normal attack of the torches?

[steel sequoia]

i've filled everything i use, now its the rest basically https://postimg.cc/Vdq0dgts

[jade cairn]

I havent tried the torces but the aspect Eos seems good

[zenith bolt]

eos is good yeah

[brittle prairie]

Its very good just weird to grt used to

[white steppe]

try to not run god keepsake at start for variety
immediately get hestia on skull
thanks game

[zenith bolt]

lol i had this happen to me earlier

try to level keepsakes
hestia arrives
misery

[dense wadi]

The torches seem really bad ngl

[jade cairn]

use eos and poseidon special

[half socket]

https://i.imgur.com/LHisGqb.jpeg Coming along well, anyone close to maxing out keepsakes?

[steel sequoia]

idk if i used moros bad but i liked eos more

[zenith bolt]

haters will say it's fake https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/362939825000677377/1239507731891879988/cooking_with_torches.mp4?ex=66447e88&is=66432d08&hm=e36f067788fec1eba2957e4ab15e8f5850c245acf1540aa3103f30fb6d036a59&

[scenic adder]

so if I don't have any aspect I shouldn't touch the weapon probably

[muted relic]

Everyone seems to say that Aspect of Moros is OP, but I fail to see how... my little ghosts stay at places that enemies never get to so I feel it does nothing.

[scenic adder]

you can dash while firing?

[steel sequoia]

i just need the gods, almost done with poseidon and hera

[zenith bolt]

yeah lol

[jade cairn]

moros is too much hassle unless u have poseidon run to strike through the enemy with your special

[zenith bolt]

you can also cast while firing without interrupting your omega attacks at all

[brittle prairie]

Aspect of Melionoe Torches unupgraded arevterrible, aspect of Moros is good in theory but bugged enough to make it mediocre, Eos is just really good

[potent grotto]

So I guess what do I do now that I killed Chronos?

[steel sequoia]

also im having a huge problem playing with this aimed specials bc my controller is drifting

[brittle prairie]

Kill him again

[half socket]

whatever your heart desires

[white steppe]

kill eris or kill chronos

[jade cairn]

kill him again

[potent grotto]

I've killed her already too

[scenic adder]

is this for other weapons too? Or just the torches atk

[zenith bolt]

• unlock more stuff
• do fear runs
• do trials
• level your keepsakes
• level your relationships
• level your arcanas
• level your aspects

[brittle prairie]

you can use fear to get unlocks for weapon upgrades

[white steppe]

alright, have you considered killing chronos then?

[zenith bolt]

for torches

[steel sequoia]

u need to platinum with max fear so you can enjoy when the game launches with the new stuff

[potent grotto]

I just did kill him?

[half socket]

anyone know how to unlock eris keepsake?

[white steppe]

well in that case consider killing eris

[rustic nexus]

she shows up in the crossroads eventually, it seems to be random

[past heron]

is soulmate a good boon ? it seems to sacrifice the biggest strength of hitch

[half socket]

80 nights in never seen her rip

[rustic nexus]

what the hell

[zenith bolt]

i think the way to go with eos is hera + demeter
grab hera attack and magick regen, demeter for weed killer and freeze/cyclone cast

[dense wadi]

What makes Eos good? I think the weapon in general just isn't my style. But I need to use them in a trial I have

[half socket]

hit 32 fear before i got all keepsakes

[potent grotto]

Yeah I was looking at the fear runs thing, is that just pact of punishment basically?

[zenith bolt]

yup

[steel sequoia]

its bugged or you never reached the dock, shes next to the door up of moros

[rustic nexus]

https://imgur.com/a/VTbWXrY she usually shows up here, and throws trash around

[jade cairn]

Im right now just trying diff weapon to beat cronos. And also saving up his reward, cause of the ||??? in the cauldron. lolz||

[zenith bolt]

https://i.imgur.com/TCqiJDD.png im gettin there with keepsakes

[potent grotto]

I still have a lot of keepsakes to even gather so I guess I could spend my time doing that

[brittle prairie]

Essentially does double damage and double hits if you dash properly

[potent grotto]

I have like 10-15 of the keepsakes tops

[half socket]

oh ive literally never looked there

[brittle prairie]

great for flat damage or AoE

[rustic nexus]

then give it a try

[tender flicker]

from who are the s,t,u keepsakes?

[half socket]

thanks, found her

[steel sequoia]

best for me is 30% on chronos

[potent grotto]

Y'know the first time I saw her trash thrown around I thought they were flowers honestly 😅

[white steppe]

in the words of ronnie coleman, "everybody wanna level keepsakes, but dont nobody wanna play no sorry ass {heph keepsake, hecate keepsake, eris keepsake, nemesis keepsake, moros keepsake. hermes keepsake. narcissus keepsake}"

[half socket]

i love how most of the keepsakes are balanced and one just gives you almost double dmg

[zenith bolt]

S - lion fang, from heracles
T - blackened fleece, from medea
U - crystal figurine, from circe

[dense wadi]

And in what way do you need to dodge to make that happen exactly?

[dense quail]

medea my beloved

[stuck pivot]

anyone know what the reqs for aphro poseidon duo is

[zenith bolt]

https://i.imgur.com/Y6xfZfV.png

[brittle prairie]

depends on hammer upgrade but normally directly tpward or directly away from the enemy relative to the placement of ghosts

[stuck pivot]

thanks sm

[brittle prairie]

keep a straight line going between you, your ghosts, and the enemy more or less

[potent grotto]

I think that was my 40th or 41st run where I killed Chronos?

Something like that, idk if that's fast or not

[muted relic]

I freaking love the picking up trash sound. I wish there were more

[lament kestrel]

i just had an incredible build and 3 death defiances and only got to the end of his first phase 😔

although this is only the 2nd time ive fought him

[potent grotto]

That's pretty similar to my second time fighting him

Except I thought I almost killed him outright because I didn't realize/know he had a second phase

It was probably about like 10-15 minutes after that I realized "wait he probably has a second phase like Hades did"

[steel sequoia]

no worries, eventually you will smack him easier

[potent grotto]

I think I killed him on like my 8th attempt fighting him?

Something around there

[lament kestrel]

yeah

[main hatch]

I actually like Nem's keepsake. Free 20% damage bonus to Chronos, because nothing else has killed me in a while.

[lament kestrel]

i just assumed a 2nd phase even before i found out 😭

hes just got to

[steel sequoia]

maxed is 30% on chronos right?

[tall notch]

Is Hecate's the mana thing? I levelled that as one of the first because I wanted to spam Omegas before I got enough materials for the Unseen arcana

[potent grotto]

Yeah I wasn't thinking about it until after he killed me that time and I was like "wait I probably wasn't actually as close to killing him as I thought, he's probably got a second phase"

[white steppe]

im more partial to knuckle bones or fleece on chronos

[steel sequoia]

i died to eris once i was testing stuff and farming keepsakes and got an awful build that did no dmg at all and ended with no mana than i had to die again to chronos to get the buff lmao

[tall notch]

I usually play Lion's Fang in Tartarus unless I need something specific. It's a very high weapon buff for the rooms themselves and even for Chronos it stays 25%

[white steppe]

i went in all in on my boy skelly

[green cypress]

@thin lantern I DID IT! No weapon, no dmg from cast run xD
Run: https://imgur.com/a/post-game-screen-Ebas9gN
Cards: https://imgur.com/a/cards-dsB7YWX

[civic ocean]

I brought Hermes' keepsake for 20 fear Frying Pan

Just so it was easier to dance around Chronos while he burned to death

[steel sequoia]

i like Evil Eye(Nemesis), Luckier Tooth(Schelemeus), Metallic Droplet(Hermes), Concave Stone(Echo) and Crystal Figurine(Circe)

[civic ocean]

Isn't the Fang better than Evil Eye? I guess some people take the option rooms in Tart

[steel sequoia]

woa legendary boon nice

[haughty depot]

experimental hammer or tooth for chronos fight if youre down to 1 defiance?

[steel sequoia]

i believe you reach chronos with no boost since you decrease 5% every encounter

[civic ocean]

I think once maxed out you can take Hammer in Fields and it will persist to Chronos

[civic ocean]

It starts at 50 and Tart is always 5 floors unless you take the sidetrack floors

Or 5 fights sry usually its 7 or 8

[steel sequoia]

so 5% each

i rather have the full 30% on chronos

[thin lantern]

Lmao, cat mvp

[civic ocean]

You don't lose Fang from non combat floors so it should be 25% for Chronos

[steel sequoia]

oh didnt know that

[green cypress]

Toula 13k dmg!

[steel sequoia]

the description is "Deal +30% bonus damage, but that value decreases by 5% after each encounter." i thought u lose 5% for each room

[brittle prairie]

its an additive increase though

[dense wadi]

I've seen the cat twice but I haven't had the thing to give it and now when I actually have one I can't find it for the life of me. Where can you even find it? It's really annoying ngl

[civic ocean]

"Encounter" and "location" are different keywords

[brittle prairie]

thats not a lot

[steel sequoia]

well im not english native so not that clear tbh

[tender flicker]

hanging out at the pier on the surface (after beating the cyclope)

[brittle prairie]

if you already have +100% from boons and arcana its only a total damage increase of 1.15x fpr example

same goes for anything thats not flat damage, a crit, or base power increase

[steel sequoia]

is there a cap?

[civic ocean]

That still seems pretty good

[brittle prairie]

no cap but heavy diminishing returns

[steel sequoia]

im not that good anyways for me its fine

[brittle prairie]

idk it prolly prefer an extra death defy than a very small damage increase

it should be good if you use poseidon though

or other flat damage sources

[delicate ingot]

beat my personal best

i still think the poseidon special on momus has got to be the way to go

also you can HEAL with momus , for some reason that doesnt get 0% healthed

[steel sequoia]

https://postimg.cc/Vry9M6KX my best run so far was this

[civic ocean]

I guess, though I think I'd rather the pin than the tooth unless I had serious staying alive issues

[brittle prairie]

Id also rather maximize the resources I get than do minimum encoumters before chronos

a single extra bon or super pom would absolutely make up the difference of the fang's +30%

[civic ocean]

Of course, I don't because I play 20 minute timer

[brittle prairie]

that makes sense

I was thinking general purpose not fear specific

[civic ocean]

You're probably right about the 25 on a bunch of builds though

Though I guess it does work quite well on stuff like zeus bolts

[delicate ingot]

25 is fine for allot of weapons i feel

[brittle prairie]

Im thinking about alternatives but idk what the full upgrade value on medea is for example

[steel sequoia]

dont think i can do better for now with driftting controller and no maxed stuff

[civic ocean]

I'm excited to put together scorch at 32 because it's really interesting

You literally pass on all offensive arcana and try not to die in Erebus

[spare kite]

40% iirc

[civic ocean]

Medea is 40% ye

[magic axle]

Hi, I've been a day 1 hater of umbral flame just bcs its attack seems so weak. Can someone tell me how to build umbral flame pls lol (newer player here, but not that new)

[civic ocean]

I'm starting to wonder if Medea is bad too now though

[steel sequoia]

have you maxed it or its lvl 1?

[brittle prairie]

medea could be circumstantially better

[delicate ingot]

i did torch on eris on 16

[civic ocean]

Scorch not Torch lol

[shadow marsh]

Get one of the aspects for it. Eos and Moros are both good. I haven't tried Mel.

[delicate ingot]

oh my bad 😄

eos is the better one of the 2 in my honest opinion @shadow marsh

[brittle prairie]

If you're able to maintain it though white antler is definitely the best damage, not sure how feasible that is on high fear

[magic axle]

The Mel's one is level 4

[steel sequoia]

i like mel and eos but im newb, people tend to like moros more

[magic axle]

I see

[shadow marsh]

Moros one is clunky but does really good damage.

[brittle prairie]

Try Eos flames even at rank 1

[steel sequoia]

try making a good cast/special build, you can crow control an spam Y while moving

[delicate ingot]

cant get moros to work with me

[civic ocean]

Post nerf I think this is jow Momus will play at 32+

I have a clear at 32 with heph + hera + antler

[static coral]

TIL hephaestus legendary boon can boost weapons to rank 6 https://imgur.com/uw603B9

[delicate ingot]

i need to force poseidon though no? so i cant start with white antler @civic ocean

[civic ocean]

This is assuming a patch where poseidon is nerfed

[delicate ingot]

oh yeah fair

[shadow marsh]

The worst part of Moros is that the ghosts can just get stuck on each other. I wish they kinda bounced off each other instead of a dead stop.

[zenith bolt]

unlimited power https://i.imgur.com/AtccDcE.png

[magic axle]

What's the best boons to combine with Mel's umbral, Poseidon bcs his knock back I assume?

[delicate ingot]

i think thats my biggest issue with that aspect

[delicate ingot]

zeus because special goes fast

[civic ocean]

Hera and Demeter together I think

[delicate ingot]

hera for hitch

[magic axle]

I also have been a Hera hater ngl, just don't really like hitch lol

[shadow marsh]

If you're going for mel umbral anything on the special is kinda fair game, you're way more hammer dependent though. You really want triple helix.

[civic ocean]

Poseidon doesn't push back the initial target, and you will want hera and demeter because Mel Torches is an aspect where you have to get in close so you really really want Coarse Grit

[delicate ingot]

hitch is so good for crowdcontrol

[wild pine]

The secret is that while hitch isn't an amazing effect she also has one of the largest unconditional damage bonuses

[shadow marsh]

Based on my very limited experience

[hoary wedge]

this might be a ddumb question but u know when u're picking the vows for fear before u go on a run, how do u choose whether u're picking to go to the surface or the underworld?

[wild pine]

also while hitch isn't great dor dps it is nice for spam stagger

[civic ocean]

The secret secret is that Born Gain is OP too

[shadow marsh]

Hitch is actually so busted

[magic axle]

Isn't umbral already good on aoe damage? What it needs is just single target damage?

[shadow marsh]

You pick vows for both at the same time. Which exit you use is which way you go

[civic ocean]

Well, it also does single target damage, you just have to run around them

[jovial anvil]

The problem with hitch is it usually doesn't help a ton with bosses, mostly with encounters featuring lots of enemies

[hoary wedge]

i see tyy!!

[gilded forum]

its a secret until you learn some basic maths
i love my (approximately) magic^2/prime max mana pool

[jovial anvil]

I usually struggle a lot more with bosses so it's not as helpful as some of the other curses

[civic ocean]

Which curse does more to bosses?

Slip I guess?

[wild pine]

Depending on which vows you take it is easy to end up more scared of normal rooms than of bosses

[shadow marsh]

Yeah hitch isnt useful against bosses, except for the 80% damage bonus it's giving you. Oh no I'm really gonna miss my 40dps hestia burn when I do 80 more damage per hit.

[wet nova]

High fear bosses are the least of concerns tbh, it’s more the other enemies

[wild pine]

if you take +enemy count and +respawning enemies etc. then hitch becomes a lot more exciting

[zenith bolt]

definitely feels cool seeing this https://i.imgur.com/Ljn8uNl.png

[civic ocean]

Well, Hecate is annoying if you do timer

Since she lowkey stalls you

[jovial anvil]

That's fair, I've been experimenting only with low fear for now

[magic axle]

As I said, I'm a newer player, I still don't really understand all the curses. Sorry for asking boss man. Thank you.

[shadow marsh]

I tried 7 min timer, got stalled out by Hecate and immediately switched to 9 lol

[haughty depot]

if hammer wears off and then ranks up after, does it reapply? if it ranks up before wearing off, does the counter fully refresh?

[civic ocean]

I think it does reapply not sure though

[spare kite]

For the latter, no

[marsh flame]

So what is up with this momus aspect builds? Keep seeing ppl flying thru the game with it. What makes it so good? 😮

[spare kite]

Decent base dmg special and reslly spammable which double dips with poseidon (or any special really) and double moonshot

[civic ocean]

Momus increases the "power" of specials, which means that they can very quickly scale to unreasonably high damage levels on a spammable, ranged attack

[haughty depot]

is momus +30 at 5?

[civic ocean]

With just the Huntress Arcana and Poseidon Special boon you are dealing like 80+ damage a hit

[gilded forum]

where can i find the damage formula for this game?

[civic ocean]

Play for 100 hours

[long vale]

¿How do i unlock aspect ||of thanatos?||

[brittle prairie]

yes, its very strong

[spare kite]

If you need the dark, visit chaos (they'll first give you one for free, then gathered by hand)

[civic ocean]

For similar mathematical reasons we're all super sleeping on Hestia's infusion, aren't we?

[brittle prairie]

im not sure ive seen it yet

[civic ocean]

5-6 fire boons gets you 10-12 power

[shadow marsh]

Sorry, I wasn't trying to be mean. Just an exaggeration.

[brittle prairie]

also ppseidon is strong woth momus but because of the base power increase so are large additives

[marsh flame]

Ahhh okay that makes a lot more sense now then.

Is power in this game just a numerical addition to individual damage? So +30 means my base special just hit for 30 more dmg?

[spare kite]

Power is base dmg

[zenith bolt]

yippee! https://i.imgur.com/6dvBRC6.png

[brittle prairie]

as long as you have high additives absolutely

[zenith bolt]

actually i managed to buy out the entire shop https://i.imgur.com/sMlUOJk.jpeg

[spare kite]

Nice

[gilded forum]

are the %damage multipliers multiplicative or additive?

[tall notch]

I think I might've figured out how aspect of persephone's glory mechanic works

[dusty ember]

I feel like this game is way more generous with money

[spare kite]

Should be additive, assuming they didn't change from h1 which I doubt

[devout jungle]

additive other than crit

[civic ocean]

Off the top of my head the damage calc in this game is something like (Power +( % weapon + %damage) + (flat damage increases + %damage)

[gilded forum]

i assume debuff and universal damage% is global, and others are specific to special/omega special exclusive?

[brittle prairie]

Additive, unless its crit, base power, or flat damage

[civic ocean]

x Crit

[gilded forum]

power is not buffable?

[brittle prairie]

it is

[spare kite]

True, I'm often with like 300-500 gold in fields/tart

[dusty ember]

Is there any reason for why wood is so rare? Im doing non stop surface runs and i cant get wood

[gilded forum]

yeah i though so

[civic ocean]

Power is buffable in a few different circumstances yes

[quick osprey]

Hey, I don't know if this intentional or not, but Chronos has a way harder time trying to hit you if you run CounterClockwise around him. I'm hoping in my heart that's on purpose

[brittle prairie]

aspect of momus for example directly buffs special power

[devout jungle]

its something like (base + power) * (sum of %damage bonuses) * crit

[tall notch]

Did you see all the mobs throwing out barrels in the surface route? All their woods goes into making these barrels

[gilded forum]

so the same crit*DMG%*(base+pow)*debuff% formula then?

[dusty ember]

Makes total sense, thanks

[civic ocean]

Crits can also apply to flat damage

And %damage can apply to them as well

[brittle prairie]

There are a few changes from hades 1, in H1 flat damage didnt get multiplied by global additive %s as often iirc

[spare kite]

We didn't have that many sources yeah
(Also why eris was so good)

[civic ocean]

Oh and disappointingly but probably fairly, Air Quality looks at the damage after the calculation is complete

[devout jungle]

i feel like they did an amazing job of clarifying mechanics, adding the keyword "Power", and so many others

so you pretty much dont have to guess anymore

[brittle prairie]

yes, much better than hades 1 in that sense

[civic ocean]

If you could multiply Air Quality that would be so tremendous

[spare kite]

But yeah hestia's infusion is a nice power upgrade
(Just don't know which fire boons to pick ig)

[brittle prairie]

Apollo and Hapheastus

[civic ocean]

The tricky part with Hest is that there isn't a %weapondmg increase fire boon

Neither Hest nor Heph give you any scaling damage

[spare kite]

Just get elements from chaos ig

[brittle prairie]

Apollo and Heph passives do

[civic ocean]

Yeah

[brittle prairie]

and heph is good for you non-focus attack or special

[civic ocean]

I think a really interesting buff woupd be to change heph's weapon boons to Earth, and Apollo's to Fire

That was Apollo and Hestia would synergize more strongly

[brittle prairie]

oh chaos us great for getting that infusion, chaos giving +2-4 of each element is really good of you can stomach the cost

[wet nova]

Getting Selene as your first room shouldn’t be allowed

[brittle prairie]

I personally really like infusions

[brittle prairie]

Do yoy mean that as a good or bad thing?

[spiral mountain]

Bad

[spare kite]

I got 2 of that boon the other day
Had 7 of each element minimum (qnd didn't get any infusion lmao)

[steel sequoia]

as a driftting player i hate getting selene bc i miss all the kamehamehas

[civic ocean]

They're all situationally very good and are either excellent compliments or worth building around

[brittle prairie]

Hexes are very strong getting an immediate moon hex is nothing to complain about

[wet nova]

Whenever I’m tryna do a run to try a build out and I always get her as my first even with a keepsake it’s so cursed I hate it

[spiral mountain]

They're very weak, I don't agree. Especially on high fear.

[wet nova]

Like genuinely I hate the seed rng in h2 everytime I wanna test something out either start with a hammer or Selene and don’t see a god for like 3 rooms

[spare kite]

Yeah I don't like hex start cuz you barely have the mp for it and leave without actual dmg

[marsh flame]

What cast affecting boons are being paired well to synergize with fast momus clears?

[spare kite]

Hammer start is decent tho (unless bad rng)

[sturdy trail]

Strength of hexes is really in their passives imo, with a certain hex I forget which, I had 25% dmg reduction while my hex was not ready

[shadow marsh]

Once surface gets filled out that'll be the way to go cause you can choose all boon doors

[steel sequoia]

pick onion fear so you dont see selene first

[civic ocean]

I think a lot of common perception around a lot of this stuff is based around the current 7 minute timer meta

Playing at 5 I get floor one Selene and I go "oh thank god some early damage"

[devout jungle]

demeter for curses

[zenith bolt]

oh this is certainly going to be a momus moment https://i.imgur.com/5RWpRdT.png

[sturdy trail]

Check which hammers you get for that weapons, if scuffed, give up and try diff weapon, get same hammer

[sturdy trail]

Try getting it all the way up to 85 dmg 💀 had a run like that and jebus

[spiral mountain]

Does that make it worth giving up a god boon/hammer in the first room for the future damage reduction you could get on more selene boons? I don't think so.

[spare kite]

I just commit return to shadow, now if I have bad hammers lmao

[brittle prairie]

even in casual play assuming you can get past erebus a single good hex with the Selene keepsake and 1 path of stars can easily solo your run

[shadow marsh]

Dark side's carried a good few 16 fear runs of mine.

[sturdy trail]

I think some hexes are just straight up bad, like Dark Side, but some are decent enough at putting out dmg, and moving around

[civic ocean]

In theory it's much better because Selene is already dealing lime 800-1200 damage to things while the hammer and god boons need more stuff to get stronger

Like the best time to get Selene is technically on floor 1, that's when she's arguably strongest

[devout jungle]

the healing hex is just crazy op compared to the rest tho

[brittle prairie]

The only bad hex is Morph and arguably its room clearing capability isnt even bad

[spare kite]

Healing/wolf howl are my favs

[steel sequoia]

this tbh, as you can put more charges in it too

[spiral mountain]

In theory yes. But you can't reroll Selene. Can't rely on it.

[spare kite]

And the meteor is funny

[brittle prairie]

face tanking through chronos with 21+ heals is funny as hell

[civic ocean]

But the god and hammer boons will still be there, you don't need them to deal with floors 1-5 of erebus, right

[sturdy trail]

BTW anyone elses Dagger disappear off their Fear temple thingy? I can't get bounties for Daggers anymore, but I never beat max fear with them

[topaz meteor]

Guys how to use Hera's boons..? Twice I've run them and they deal no dmg I just gave up at Cerberus

[devout jungle]

ye that happens

[spiral mountain]

Faster chance to get the Legendary/Duo's you need if you get the god boons earlier.

[sturdy trail]

Born again is a really good Gain boon

[shadow marsh]

The strong part of dark side is that you can regen mana during it. If you make it last longer you can have enough mana to use it again after you leave it, effectively being invulnerable for 90% of the fight.

[marsh flame]

21+ heals?! What in the world. How you get that large a number?

[topaz meteor]

What does it do? I don't remember boons by their names

[civic ocean]

Right but assuming you get Selene at some point between floors 1-20, you are best suited to getting it on floor 1

[sturdy trail]

Hex upgrades

[wraith dust]

Lots of roguelikes try to mitigate peculiarities in start rooms. Balatro guaranteeing a joker after 1 round, bosses drop green items in risk of rain, starting cash, etc.

I think hades 1/2 does enough of this by guaranteeing a (free) non-resource pickup in room 1

[spiral mountain]

I'm not saying Selene is totally useless. But I don't wanna see her in the first room. It's major feels bad.

[wraith dust]

I’m interested to hear what other things people would want added to make starts more consistent

[brittle prairie]

never use it til chronos maximize the number of heals per reset and get stacking through reset boon

[marsh flame]

Goddamnn had no idea the tree had so many extras in it.

[spare kite]

Just not selene chamber 1 lmao

[shadow marsh]

Every time I take moonbeam I get 0 path of stars in the next region.

[sturdy trail]

yeah! +3 per fountain or something, if you dont need them yo ucan just stack them all up

[wraith dust]

Eh. Skill issue

[spare kite]

The funniest way to use hexes is double up gaming

[sturdy trail]

What fear are yo uguys playing on?

[brittle prairie]

can be +6 if you path right

[shadow marsh]

I play on 16 but I've done 32 fear clears up top and below.

[wraith dust]

Also it’s room 1

[civic ocean]

Okay what room do you want to see her in

[brittle prairie]

Moonbeam should gauruntee a path of stars at the very least

[spiral mountain]

I'm fine with seeing her in the 3rd room that would normally give major finds.

[civic ocean]

Why, so you can avoid her, or?

[wraith dust]

If I get a dogpoop boon room 1 and then 2 resource rooms in a row it’s an easy reset.

[spiral mountain]

To get god boons earlier

[sturdy trail]

I've cleared something like 20 fear, but somehow I missed 16 above and below? I wonder if you have to clear the fear level up and below with all weapons? its kinda weird

[civic ocean]

You have to kill the boss in the picture

[vestal solstice]

I just discovered you can cancel hex animations by doing a "dash hex" like a dash strike, is this known tech? I can't do it consistently yet but canceling the animation would be so helpful for chronos

[civic ocean]

Like it comes out immediately?

[sturdy trail]

Yeah I did, now everything is set to chronos, but it still wants a victory at the bottom, but everything is now at 20, not 16, even though 16 is the requirement

[vestal solstice]

yes

[brittle prairie]

Yes its very useful, but hatd to get consistently

[steel sequoia]

i do that accientally sometimes

[civic ocean]

Cool

[sturdy trail]

Hexes sometimes bug out and wont let you move around

[vestal solstice]

ye I did it on accident and then figured it out eventually

[spare kite]

That's a darkside bug I think
I've seen the moon howl target circle disappear tho

[sturdy trail]

Im so happy im not stucking doing a reval run anymore, I had like 10+ tries with reval 16 fear on surface, idk why it was so rough, oh yes I do its cause I switched my cards around, switched them back and it was easier lol

[brittle prairie]

moonhowl target circle not appearing is really annoying

[sturdy trail]

right? Sometimes it works fine sometimes it just throws you wherever

[vestal solstice]

so far I tested laser beam and darkside, the timing between the dash and hex input seems to be tighter than for dash strike

[brittle prairie]

Definitely, other actions than dash can camcel it to i believe

certain omega charge situations

[spare kite]

Tbf since I've started using it for crits I barely care where it throws me, still pain

[stoic kettle]

this is the age old question lol no pujn intented but should i focus on the adds first when fighting chronos or just go straight for him

[vestal solstice]

like pressing hex and then charge?

[brittle prairie]

Im not 100% sure what corcumstances ive gotten it to actovate, ill need to test

[spare kite]

For phase 1 you can ignore a few of them I think (or just kill them during the invincibility bubbles)
Phase 2 you should, they are annoying

[brittle prairie]

you kinda have to juggle both depending on positioning

[spare kite]

I should start rerolling on dad actually lmao
Get the 50% less summons

[vestal solstice]

ye I'm testing some more
originally tried to make hex builds work, like spamming them back to back

[mystic bison]

Do what do people like to take with the Torches?

[stoic kettle]

that one has worked best for me so far

[mystic bison]

Only weapon I haven't cleared a run with I been holding off them until now

[stoic kettle]

litrally cant use them

[zenith bolt]

eos + hera is my go-to

[mystic bison]

I only got aspect of Mel rn

[mystic bison]

I don't like them but I gotta clear at least one run w them maybe it will change my mind

[stoic kettle]

idr, I used to hateee the sword in hades one now its one of my favs

ikr*

no i dea how I would build torches. Apollo on attack?

[steel sequoia]

depends on aspect

[mystic bison]

Pretty sure the attack is useless on all aspects, you want to spam special

[zenith bolt]

lol what. eos primary function is using attacks lol

[steel sequoia]

yeah, only melinoe is good with special, the other two are good with attacks

[mystic bison]

I didn't know that but from what I've seen people hate the attack

[steel sequoia]

https://postimg.cc/KRWbzwbT

[mystic bison]

I might try Aphro on special and try to go for the Apollo duo

Seems good enough to beat Kronos

[stoic kettle]

just leverage the dual curse effect card

[silent crow]

poseidon on special and spam it

[mystic bison]

So the playstyle is charge up the omega special and just spam normal special?

Forget the attack exist?

[white steppe]

can the chronos instakill whiff from dodge chance or whatever? he had me dead to rights while i was sprinting to the circle and I didnt take dmg lmao

[dire umbra]

Is there a comprehensive list of all the Hades 2 favors from maxing gifts with each deity?

[spare kite]

Can also be iframed/blocked with shield effects (lovers card for example)

And coarse grit works on it so it does 15 dmg

[zenith bolt]

epic win https://i.imgur.com/wbwBQm1.png

[brittle prairie]

a few things can block it

[silent crow]

for the default aspect at least yeah
if you can upgrade the default aspect you get more special duratiojn so you'll want to spam omega specials ther
if you have it unupgraded then just spam normal specials and space yourself
i havent done much with other aspects but this is how i won pretty easily with them

[mystic bison]

Yeah I got them at rank 4 it should be good

[silent crow]

hell yeah

[mystic bison]

Man I hope I don't lose my win streak with this

If I lose this run I am never touching Torches again

[zenith bolt]

cool now i have one non-mel aspect maxed on each weapon

[silent crow]

aww come on

[mystic bison]

I've only used them like twice beforehand and I never really enjoyed it but maybe it will change my mind now

[silent crow]

theyre pretty hard to use even when u know how to use them
imo the hardest to use weapon in the game but theyre not bad necessarily

[steel sequoia]

ive liked umbral flames better than skulls

[spiral mountain]

Skulls are just the Omega Special tbh. Just throw out the attack and forget about it. Then omega special in.

[mystic bison]

I just had a great run with the Skulls, 2 chaos blessings that boosted Special damage and a Hammer and Hermes boon that boosted Omega Special channel speed

I was jumping around the Arena all the time

[steel sequoia]

pretty bad to aim with my driftting controller, need to get a new one

dont wanna play with kboard tbh

[stone tree]

anyone have ideas for a necromancer/summoner build? ive seen some boons and items but idk how many there are

[shadow marsh]

The hammer that makes the skull omega attack shoot out in front is really fun

[brittle prairie]

The summoner hex is very strong with a good moonbeam path of stars, ideally damage spike boons and a good special boon are very useful to have but really just upgrading the hex to hell in back is the way to go

[mystic bison]

Also I feel like 50% less ads and Howling Soul or whatever it's called are the best Hades boons bar none

[weak wave]

At least so far I don’t think there’s enough boons and stuff to really make a build centered around it. Main things I know for summoning is the duo boon that brings back the first you kill and the hex

[mystic bison]

Insta pick whenever one is offered

[stone tree]

which duo boon?

[shadow marsh]

Howling soul is my go-to. It's so good specifically for chronos

[steel sequoia]

tbh i think the healing hex needs a nerf its too op not to pick

[weak wave]

It’s pretty good that’s for sure but I wouldn’t call it an insta pick

[mystic bison]

The adds in phase 2 are really cancer so the one that limits them is very helpful too

[brittle prairie]

Really all you need is the hex

[brittle prairie]

almost every hex with 6-8 pulls from a path of stars can be broken

[winter orbit]

i dont really get how aspect of artemis works, is it just something i gotta play around with?

[brittle prairie]

It auto parries

[winter orbit]

healing is the only really good one

the rest feel super underwhelming

[brittle prairie]

no all of them are good and can solo chronos for you if you spec the path of stars right

except like morph

[jovial terrace]

when you hold omega attacks, it parries an attack and is put on cooldown, you do crazy crits after you successfully block

[brittle prairie]

9 hits of 50% crit rate, you can choose which actions those 9 hits are

[spiral mountain]

The massive slow down on the hexes is annoying against chronos considering he's not affected by it. Not a fan.

[winter orbit]

the one where you jump on them isnt good at all, so little damage

[fickle burrow]

am i stupid for thinking the torches are bad? I've tried to use them but i feel like i can never do enough damage

[cursive knot]

Honestly I just wish you couldn't get hexes as first thing offered in the run

[winter orbit]

oh nice, so just get hit while im holding it?

[jovial terrace]

yeh

[spiral mountain]

There's a general consensus that they are the worst weapon yes

[winter orbit]

no

[brittle prairie]

this one is extremely broken with a path of stars, you can make it either gauruntee a crit afterwards, or act twice in 1 pull with 2 damage instances for 4x damage

[cursive knot]

I'll stand by eos torches being decent

[brittle prairie]

its extremely good

[jovial terrace]

dang torch slander :(

[brittle prairie]

Eos torches are amazing

Melinoe isx okay, but requires high upgrades, and Moros is good in theory but very buggy

[stone tree]

ive done 1 clear with torches and they seem fun but my dmg was abysmal

[shadow marsh]

Moros torch is good too it just feels really clunky

[winter orbit]

does any1 ever take the location rewards hidden from chaos?

[cursive knot]

I think eos are good I just didn't find them as fun as thanatos or pan and not as broken as momus

[brittle prairie]

This seems more of an unintended drawback, and only really matters if you activate it while getting hit, but it really sucks when you do

[white steppe]

all chaos curses are whatever imo, the most cursed one ive seen was a heroic boon that disabled all my cards for 9 encounters lmao, i dont remember the reward but it wasnt worth it

[spiral mountain]

I don't know that it's unintended considering that it's consistent.

[shadow marsh]

Main problem with torches IMO is that every aspect needs to be rank 4 or 5 to feel great. All the other weapons have an aspect that works unranked except torches

[jovial terrace]

if the rewards are worth yeh, at that point you should already have a targeted build

[brittle prairie]

its early access theres a lot of consistently unintended things

I dont think they anticipated that multihit moves would continually hurt you during the hex startup freeze

[spiral mountain]

I mean we are talking about the God of Time here. The guy who unpauses your game. I'm not saying I'm right necessarily, but I would lean more on intended than not.

[spare kite]

that one is funny for the crit mainly, also it can copy your dash boon effect so in theory you can make it proc smth like smithy sprint 4 times quickly lmao (idk if the other effect that makes it do dmg on starting the jump works)

[brittle prairie]

I mean it happens everywhere, not just Chronos' fight

[spare kite]

iframes on some hexes would be nice

[shadow marsh]

It does. I whacked cronos with 700x2 during my heroic smithy sprint run

[primal kiln]

I thought you can only have one Aspect active for a given Relic/Weapon at a time?

[brittle prairie]

all of them should have iframe on startup

[spiral mountain]

Would actually consider prioritising them more if this was the case.

[spare kite]

jump already goes so quick to need more iframes
also healing gives iframes sounds lmao

[spiral mountain]

As they are now, I always prefer to see a god boon

[spare kite]

(not that is a bad suggestion)

[cursive knot]

Smithy Sprint runs sound fun

[white steppe]

not like you care since you panacea the damage away

[spare kite]

I've never reached the rare/epic upgrades of the heal hex

[shadow marsh]

They are. Pretty decent for high fear, too. Since you only need 2-4 boons.

[cursive knot]

Maybe I'll do this for my least favorite weapons and just do the 20 fear incantations and not even use them

[shadow marsh]

Literally exactly what I did for my 20 fear torch run lmao

[brittle prairie]

these are only with upgrades and they are for the duration of the hex, not the actual time freeze startup

even the one that straight up makes you invincible doesnt have i frames on startup

[digital rampart]

Can judgment card activate the 0 grasp cards aswell

[brittle prairie]

yes

[spare kite]

and it ignores the activation trigger needed

[digital rampart]

OK thanks was just wondering as they need certain ways to activate

[white steppe]

anyone know how much health/mana the centaur card comes out to at the end?

[digital rampart]

I think it's 50 health 50 mana

[spiral mountain]

40 40

[digital rampart]

Oh ok I was wrong lol

[white steppe]

is that counting taking all chronos side chambers or?

[spare kite]

if you want to maximize centaur procs I think you can still do the Chaos extension thing

[mystic bison]

Man it's so rough not being able to cancel the special animation of the Torches with dash

[shadow marsh]

You can't dash cancel any of the special animations I think

[spiral mountain]

You can't dash cancel a lot of things actually. It takes getting used to.

[shadow marsh]

I was trying to cancel charging the dagger's special and got an anchor in the face for it.

[cursive knot]

I kinda wish sprint boons ticked a single time when dashing and omega attacking with the torches. Like if you demeter sprint and it spawned the cyclone or apollo daze without having to drop the omega attacks

[spiral mountain]

The one that messes with me the most is the Dagger attack. With them being so fast my brain thinks I should be able to cancel the rapid fire attack, but you can't.

[spare kite]

had to get used to the rhythm of 3 taps to not do the finisher lmao

[hazy crane]

Aspect of Medea, going for 32 fear and in the fields. I already have the returning shell hammer, how good is Possessed Array? (Shells explode for omega attack, but take longer to drop)

Other option is +2 shells

[amber wagon]

I always +2 shells

[spiral mountain]

The longer to drop is significant. I wouldn't risk it.

+2 shells

[hazy crane]

Aight, danke ^.^

[dry mirage]

whats a good skull build? ive got mel aspect maxed

[mystic bison]

Oh my goodness I am melting things with Aphro on Torches special

[spare kite]

I just do aphro attack and shoot them point blank

could do like apollo attack into legendary too

[dry mirage]

hmm those bot hsound good

[mystic bison]

If I destroy Kronos with this build I will repent of my Torches skeptic ways

[spare kite]

for hammers you want +2 shells (specially with Mel), shoot all at once is fun too

[hazy crane]

Damn, died to fields boss Still good for first try on 32 fear though

[shadow marsh]

Shoot all at once is goated with aspect of medea

[steel sequoia]

need to farm the gods for now https://postimg.cc/gwTtqFMy

[fair void]

hey sorry for disturbing the channel but does anyone know the true requirements to obtain the hecate´s familiar dialogue?

[arctic crest]

What's a good sickle build against Chronos?

[compact spoke]

Can you perma freeze enemies if you upgrade cold storage a lot?

[brittle prairie]

If you stack it woth vortex, kind of

[sturdy trail]

We don't have any ways to reroll hammers rn do we?

[brittle prairie]

Do you mean daggers or axe?

[arctic crest]

daggers

[sturdy trail]

Aspect of Pan goes crazy, easier if you can stay away from Chronos' scythe swings

[earnest pulsar]

Honestly I hated them, but if you get posiden special and a few other things || Melinoë Rank 5 Aspect || you can just spam your special , only problem is they dont stagger enemies that have no armor so you need to be a bit more careful

[brittle prairie]

Ah depends on your aspect but aphrodite or poseidon for melle damage and certain hammer upgrades are usually quite good

[arctic crest]

Thanks! :)

[brittle prairie]

Artemis is also extremely strong just harder to use

[modern yacht]

Morose staff with poseidon special is the move right?

[sturdy trail]

Np, stack Poseidon special if you can, you can also go for the Hestia Duo, but poseidon on special is most important

[brittle prairie]

You can get more damage out of aphrodite at times but its harder to use

[white steppe]

do people run more than 1 tight deadline on surface? I have like 1 min left after i deal w polyphemus on deadline 1

[sturdy trail]

That one is very good, you spam regular special, poseidon special, and you want the hammer that makes your normal special fires 2 things and seek enemies

[sturdy trail]

I don't run tight deadline at all, but I really should im just a scardy cat

[modern yacht]

Aight sick that is the exact setup I've got

[white steppe]

look at your average clear time on the recorder, if its less than what the deadline would impose its just free fear

[sturdy trail]

now go for Zues' lightning bolts for each strike, then youre going really crazy

[sturdy trail]

I should check, sometimes I run slow though

[white steppe]

yea its weapon dependant, my skull runs are slow as hell

[sturdy trail]

Ugh I was screaming on a surface run, Reval, 16 fear, HATED IT, eventually got it done though

[white steppe]

i really hate skull on surface bounties, only 1 hammer feels bad

90% of the time for some reason I roll salvo array and it becomes an omega attack build

[sturdy trail]

Mhm, and Melinoes is honestly the best aspect imo

[white steppe]

medea might have potential but I dont wanna play scuffed beowulf

[modern yacht]

I prefer persephone

[sturdy trail]

Right, i try to think about things like Freeze Special Aphro Attack but ehh

[restive bear]

hilo friends and peeples! been playing hades 2 for 14 hours now (haven't even unlocked weapon aspects yet and i havent even beaten a run yet so i still haven't unlocked this game's version of heat cuz im bad at the game) and im just bewildered by the torches. they seem so low dps. and usually when you don't like a weapon in a hades game its because you havent found the right boon/aspect or something but these just seem so bad. is there any way to make the torches viable/broken/good at all?

[sturdy trail]

It takes a weird amount of time/dmg to charge persephone up, and even then its kinda odd to control

[sturdy trail]

Aspects make it much more playable -- personally, and this may not be the best, I try to play bomb type play, Blitz and Freeze

[restive bear]

okay

[modern yacht]

Yeah but it has a base increase to specials no?

[restive bear]

one time i was using torches and nemesis challenged me to beat more enemies than her and i think i killed like... two

[spiral mountain]

Actually Persephone has a base increase to all omega damage. So you could actually make a good omega cast build with it.

[restive bear]

bye bye money 😭

[sturdy trail]

It be like that

[brittle prairie]

The upgrades to the asoect make it more useable but moros and Eos are much better, moros is a bit buggy thouhh

[restive bear]

okay i will keep that in mind ty

[winter orbit]

may be a stupid question but are guardians the mini bosses or main bosses?

[restive bear]

main bosses i believe

[modern yacht]

Anyone know if you can get the plate thing to upgrade the aspect weapons?

[sturdy trail]

Anything with a big healthbar at the top is a guardian (or should be)

[haughty depot]

charybdis is a guardian?

[winter orbit]

ah, thats why i thought all the guardian focused stuff was terrible

[haughty depot]

clear the underworld first

[sturdy trail]

he should be based on the way keepsakes describe it, test it and tell us if it works if you can

[steel sequoia]

my playstyle is more like the regular weapons than the aspects

[modern yacht]

Aight thanks

[sturdy trail]

Mels Daggers and Skull aren't bad

[spare kite]

Doesn't guardians describe at the end of the region or I'm being crazy

[sturdy trail]

im going off a keepsake, I think its in the top row, one of them describes what a guardian is

[spare kite]

do you know the description? that's what I don't remember

[brittle prairie]

All of the regular aspects except the torches are good enough

[steel sequoia]

i liked the melinoe torches, i rather play with special spam

i think the movement from attack is too cluncky

[restive bear]

I've noticed you guys use the word: "playable" and "useable" but not good... 😭😭

[brittle prairie]

Relative to other options I wouldnt say so

but for beating chronos on 0-8 fear itll probably not be much of a hinderance

beyond that though it may be more likely to hold you back

[white steppe]

there's no real sugarcoating, torches dont feel all that good to play compared to other stuff

[steel sequoia]

i failed playing eos, i cant play moros rn so ill just leave em and ill boost other weapons first

i boosted pan, now im thinking on momus and thanatos

[mystic bison]

Just finished destroying Kronos

My first Torches victory is also the highest damage build I have ever done

What a crazy run I absolutely melted Kronos

[median trail]

I consider Eos as a melee and then it works for me...

[steel sequoia]

yeah but the sprint is useless for me apparently

i think the movespeed when u channel it is too slow

[night pier]

The torches are a little better when you get the Moros aspect. You can't spam attacks because of how the ghosts work though

[zenith wigeon]

Hey folks i got 50 runs in hades, have reached chronos plenty of times and havent yet gotten a victory run—anyone have any reccomended builds or items for either axe, lim and oros, or the staff?

[median trail]

It does take some time to adapt to the new sprint espacially if you spent hundreds of hours in hades1, but I feel it is still doable, the enemy in hades2 are really designed to suite the sprint system

[white steppe]

wait i didnt even say anything for the language filter lmao

[tall notch]

Eos torches are S-tier

[static crown]

HI! There is a no hit run. Hope you like is.
Increible Build with poseidon and hestia dual btw.! Sorry i put some run before the good one, im making the cut, will be good in one hour https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZfDRMOZTJQ

[median trail]

New to here, but I feel "witch stuff double moonshot, poseidon or apollo", could be many people's "first blood" to beat chronos.

[wet nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/938077229206876223/1240067440059355146/image.png?ex=6645364d&is=6643e4cd&hm=e37dd80cca8323a1494ce0812b4d1f06fc5d11931625b841cb7bcaac4e50090f& tried this combo out

[zenith wigeon]

I just got that reccomendation from a friend too 😂 i’ll try it out!

[wet nova]

and gotta say its very underwhelming, I had lets say 12-13 stacks I think of that 20%

and it only barely took chronos p2 to half health with one cast I think

I was expecting it to at least be near instantaneous

but I guess its because glorious disaster does not scale with omega damage maybe

that would explain why its dps is pretty low with this combination

[steel sequoia]

looks insane u got the two duos

[mystic bison]

I am no longer a Torches skeptic after this.
https://imgur.com/a/VsiLx9n

[polar elm]

it triggered for me after using tablet of peace gathering tool for the first time...not sure if it was connected

[wet nova]

put that 40% faster fear on and youll go back on your word

Special doesnt stagger so those mfs come at you like lightning mcqueen and youre already dead

[ebon rover]

both hephaestus on attack and special + axe is very satisfying, but aphro attack + white antler + apollo backstab bonus and buffing the hell out of lim and oros's attack gave me my quickest kill

[mystic bison]

40% sounds like torture even on Hades 1 my regular was 20% and i never went above

[wet nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/938077229206876223/1240068757808877608/8mb.video-kZ9-PLoYjKeN.mp4?ex=66453787&is=6643e607&hm=693da20e5e5b330e21a156448c87abda729afcf3dfdf6366ebf1a058ca6dc86b&

[orchid fog]

I... just got my first Chronos kill! And all I had to do was cheese him! (man I suck)

[wet nova]

p2 chronos with this build, didnt show p1 cos its like 2/3 mins of me tryign to run from him and stack it up lol

[modern yacht]

God dammit he was one hit swat on an insane run

[orchid fog]

(did knives with aphro special then got the daedalus hammers that make the knives come back to you for extra damage and the one that increases damage exponentially for every knife in a single throw that hits the same target)

[formal wyvern]

That’s not a cheese it’s just a build

[ebon rover]

😂😂 i love those hammers, one if my first wins was with demeter special and those upgrades + bouncing knives

[steel sequoia]

lmao bruh made a post with senshi from dungeon meshi with scylla and its so funny

[haughty depot]

where

[steel sequoia]

https://twitter.com/MiyanEatWorld/status/1790381558073102758

MΔDDiE (@MiyanEatWorld) on X

Been having trouble with Scylla so I'm manifesting Senshi Dungeon Meshi
#Hades2

Twitter · May 14, 2024, 2:00 PM

[haughty depot]

my very first time trying momus and i already found double moonshot and heroic wave flourish (rarified) as my first two boons

does static shock apply to specials as well? it just says "your strikes"

[spare kite]

Is that the prime boon? If so yeah

[steel sequoia]

it does, static is strong

[haughty depot]

excellent

[steep oasis]

I cannot beat Chronos in the second phase and would love some tips/guidance.

[wet nova]

Strikes are only attacks and specials I believe

I tried seeing if it worked on cast but it didn’t so idk

[steel walrus]

I've won with every weapon except for torch's what's the best aspect?

[haughty depot]

i like the dash one, but i think more than any other weapon torches are only viable with really good boons

[steel walrus]

yea I just don't think the wepons are for me tbh

[steep oasis]

I don't like the torches either, I get wrecked so much faster when I use those than I do with any other weapon. The auto-targeting isn't ideal, and the special (while powerful) leaves you open to getting destroyed in close combat. The visuals also clutter up the screen so it's harder to see and avoid ranged attacks coming at you.

[steel sequoia]

yeah, maybe they will tweak that?

[steep oasis]

I think I had one good experience with the torches, but like someone said earlier...it depends on the boons you get. I have had really bad runs with the torches, moreso than the other weapons. Losing to trash mobs when you're 30+ hours in is not normal...it tends to stand out. 😹

[steel sequoia]

i like the torches but they feel weird playing

[haughty depot]

less opacity on the flames would help a lot

[torpid rivet]

I had torches with posideon on attack and the zeus prime boon for chain lightning

[steep oasis]

For me it's gotten to the point that I don't want to use them anymore. If they get randomly selected for the bone bonus, I'll just skip it and do what I want instead. 🤣

[haughty depot]

and if its too much to improve the targetting maybe just make the hit detection a little more forgiving

[torpid rivet]

actually pretty solid, most of your damage is the added flat so you don't need to get to the "full grown" stage

clears rooms super quick, but bossing is tougher

[haughty depot]

heartbreak trial was by far the hardest trial of all for me and it's mostly because of how the torches feel

[steep oasis]

I've only done four trials so far, so I can't remember if I did that one or not yet.

[steel sequoia]

i gave up the timed trial

[haughty depot]

it's an aphrodite torch build on the boat

[steep oasis]

Those boats are rough, especially when you have the torches. 😬

[steel sequoia]

trial of haste feels awful to me

[haughty depot]

with little or no grasp

[mystic bison]

Melted Kronos with this https://i.imgur.com/HEGmDWc.png

[median trail]

the torch's special is a major problem for me...I've done multiple runs with torch but none of them I use special

[steep oasis]

Yeah, those specials get really powerful, but I always get decimated as I'm trying to get them back up.

[steel sequoia]

i can only play torch with special lmao

like cast and turbo special ftw

[mystic bison]

The hammer that speeds up the channel really helped me to stack multiple omegas (and hearthrobs too)

[steep oasis]

Yeah, I can see everything you had there was super synergistic. Saving the time to get them up quickly probably made all the difference. That and the crazy amount of damage with the hearthrobs. You're just destroying everything around you. 😹

[median trail]

how do you target enemy? or maybe we just have different styles of play

[mystic bison]

Yeah Kronos melted really fast, this was probably the highest dps build I've done so far too, it was such a crazy run

[steep oasis]

The torch specials just have flames that rotate around you, so you can't really target with them. You summon them and move around and hope they hit enemies.

I've only killed Eris twice, and haven't been able to beat Chronos yet. 😅

[sturdy trail]

You know how we change alter Location rewards Via the Card? Do we know what can be altered to a hammer ?

[median trail]

and that's exactly why I feel it awkward...the attack is slow but I'm ok with that by considering Eos as melee, but the special really doesn't work for my style probably

[spare kite]

Major rewards like poms/hp/boons/etc

What's probably catching you if you keep rerolling early is that it seems hammers still do the same thing from H1, where the 2nd hammer only shows up from the third biome+

[sturdy trail]

Really? I can recognize that pattern from H1

[distant ocean]

i know that rooms can be altered to a hammer, in normal runs rerolling for hammer right before the echo room could give you the chance at going 3 ham, but in high fear you prolly run out of rerolls early on lol

[manic gust]

aspect of persephone doesn't seem to be doing anything? im not getting glory from dealing damage

[spare kite]

Charge is stupid slow rn

[sturdy trail]

yeah, I need to do a 16 fear run below for the statue, trying to figure out what cards to bring. I initially misread the 6 value card, the one that can turn small things into boons, its so good but so expensive

[median trail]

you are...but I think it is not properly shown in the UI (for me it seems always empty)

[spare kite]

Artificer is so

[steep oasis]

Yeah, I guess I should try out the other aspects, but I like the other weapons so much more I'm not really incentivized.

[distant ocean]

it's very slow, the intended use is to charge glory (with casts) then unleash your special on bosses.

[sturdy trail]

It gathers dmg very very slowly, youll see the ring to the right of your HP bar go up slowly, but it only really fills up fast when youre running something with a lot of dmg

[sturdy trail]

its any dmg afaik but casts are a good way to generate it

[sturdy trail]

Why do you say that

[manic gust]

yeah it says any damage

[distant ocean]

yeah it's any damage but skulls are terrible without specific hammers.

[brittle prairie]

I wish aspect of melinoe axe was just blanket attack speed and not just endlag

[spare kite]

Lame card for the cost

[distant ocean]

when you don't get to use your omega special skulls are worse lol

[steep oasis]

I've had some really awesome builds with the axe. I like that weapon a lot.

[sturdy trail]

If it wasnt just a chance and was instead a guarantee it would be crazy

[spare kite]

They should just bring back dark foresight /lh

[sturdy trail]

It can be awesome but so hammer dependent

[distant ocean]

thing just needs a better retrieval method. cuz VoD and revs

[steep oasis]

The omega skull ability isn't my favorite. I mainly use it to do a little damage as I'm picking up my skulls that are far away.

[steep oasis]

Yeah, you're not wrong about that. You really need good boons to help you on that one.

[distant ocean]

omega attack just gives you control over where you attack with the skull which is unfortunate because the thing that makes most omegas good is that they deal alot of damage :l

[sturdy trail]

I always found skull awkward

[distant ocean]

putting so much stock into the "fixing the functionality of weapons" like skull or torch with hammers or the omega kind of highlights that it's a broken weapon at standard in some way, they just need some love

like momus is an op special weapon and no one uses staff attack but staff attack is better than every skull and torch build lol

[formal wyvern]

I don’t think torch is a weak weapon, just have to build it very differently to most of the others

[modern yacht]

Finally

[distant ocean]

I think the hammers for torch speak volumes. the right click on torch isn't bad. but the build potential for torch is flatlined imo, it really does not get much better than the base and boons.

which is suck when you look at staff attack for example, oh your attacks just hit twice and you attack 50% faster, that's cool, I'll take my 10% damage and 10% attack speed hammers on torch.

[formal wyvern]

Yeah the hammers on torch, at least those to do with attack are pretty insignificant

[distant ocean]

very high ceiling lol

[formal wyvern]

Those 10% increases are laughable, I’m so confused by them

[distant ocean]

atleat the attack ones are actually postive, the ones for special for the majority are just nerfing your gameplay, so your specials no longer follow you now? don't you need a whole ass demeter boon to make your cast follow you around? isn't it following you a good thing so you can direct the damage flow better?

[haughty depot]

does deep dissent (fewer chronos reinforcements) apply to the hourglasses in p2?

[distant ocean]

but atleast for specials you get i think 15% or 20% faster casting lol

[formal wyvern]

I see that one as a trade off hammer since it increases the attack movement speed

But I also found it to generally suck

[spare kite]

Yeah

[distant ocean]

it does not increase it by much, it says much, but eh, i'm not even sure if it works lol

and the one that only buffs your special that makes it do 50 more base power, which is really like 80% increased damage which is significant but they make it only hit once because it dissappears on the first enemy hit. that nerfs it's single target damage by 20% ultimately because it can't hit a target twice now in it's path and destroys any aoe aspect lol.. for no gain by the way, literal nerf.

[formal wyvern]

I managed to do the 24 fear testament first try with the torches doing a full no mana build, mainly centred around the Zeus-Hephaestus duo boom, probably much better ways to do it. Just doing a full non omega attack strat

[distant ocean]

there's no other weapon that has hammer designs that rob you of power blatantly lol

[formal wyvern]

Building around the special seems to suck since they don’t stagger, just play omega attack axe if you want to do that

[wet nova]

Weak in a roguelite generally either means low dps or low flexibility (with the high dps options)

[distant ocean]

yeah, i've done 32 heats with torches, when alls said and done you could just play it as a cast build lol

[wet nova]

And Yh cos special don’t stagger that also makes it suck

You play more safe than you need to basically

[formal wyvern]

Yeah cast builds are strong enough to beat stuff by themself

[distant ocean]

I don't even mind the non-staggeriness. or atleast I wouldn't if they did enough damage to justify it, or they lasted long enough.

[short crescent]

in phase 2 Scylla, there is so much happening on screen I have no idea where is safe or where to dash to. did anyone else have this problem or have advice?

[formal wyvern]

How many times have you done the fight?

[topaz peak]

Pan my love. Well not a true cast build but still

[distant ocean]

Aspect of Mel should be like 5 seconds and should apply to both specials for torch.

[short crescent]

3 times I think

[formal wyvern]

The only advice is to just try the fight more times if that’s the case

Getting used to ‘reading’ the fight can just take experience

[short crescent]

that's fair. thank you

[topaz peak]

It’s actually a well done boss fight once you get the rhythm

[rough yarrow]

is scorch worth having as your main dps with fire extinguisher or is the damage over time just not as good as pure attack damage 🤔 (pondering whether it wouldve been better to swap an epic poseidon special for heroic hestia special on staff)

[topaz peak]

But the main strat i go for is knock out the drummer first

[rough yarrow]

^

[formal wyvern]

I haven’t really found an incredible scorch build yet, I haven’t managed to get a nice legendary and duo boon set up with it, it seems reliant on those to scale enough for late game

[distant ocean]

Oi. The 7minute speedrun displays hera's cast potential in any heat, it automatically kills the adds in hekate fight as soon as they spawn, insta-phasing, and it also kills all the swarms in oceanus.

[topaz peak]

Once that’s done you can dictate the flow better. Once you’ve done that the aoe blasts stop and you control the room pretty much. Once guitar is out you can just chip scylla

The drummer crowds you, guitar stuns you and scylla basically tries to get you trapped by the drummer.

But get the drummer out of the way. Very easy fight after that

The bosses overall feel easier than the bosses in hades 1

But that might just be because I’m actually using builds this time lol

[formal wyvern]

Idk the hades 1 bosses got pretty easy with experience, I feel like that past experience has just carried over

[spare kite]

Base H1 bosses are pretty chill also yeah, lots of experience lmao

[proper dagger]

hello everyone, not really a combat question but still. How do you get Ambrosia? I know you can get it at the broker but it also says "Communal visits to the Crossrouads Taverna pass 20🕙 " , what does that mean lol

[topaz peak]

Need to try and beat 4 fear eris today which I’ll do if i get the Poseidon special at the start.

[short crescent]

thanks!

[formal wyvern]

Cronos seems quite a bit harder as well, but still in the early stages so I’ll see how my opinion develops

[topaz peak]

Yeah but kronos and pretty much all the bosses are weak from the back

[spare kite]

Pass 20 means stuff like the plants or cauldron stuff will go that many as said (so a plant that needs 6 will instantly grow for example)

[copper sun]

Eris seems to me to be a much harder boss than Chronos. I've only played +20% speed so far but she gets much tougher than Chronos does

[formal wyvern]

Eris is fine if you just use your time slow

[distant ocean]

you'll only hold that opinion for at most a day or two @copper sun ❤️

[proper dagger]

i know that but there is nothing at the tavern that counts down. or am i missing something?

[topaz peak]

She’s cheeseable though

[copper sun]

does anyone know if the +100% damage is something she stacks, or is it just an effect that expires (and that she refreshes)

I can't really tell with the particles around her

[distant ocean]

the thing that makes eris much easier is you can slow her down with Ω, pretty much forever if you wanted to.

[formal wyvern]

It expires and then refreshes I believe

[distant ocean]

and your cast is pretty effective on her

[topaz peak]

Well and hestia dash

[formal wyvern]

Eris does quick, small AoE long range effects so time slow is important

[distant ocean]

yeah but that's a specific boon, and unnecessary, lol I even beat her with torch special by hugging pillars and attacking through them

[split igloo]

What boons are good for aspect of pan?

[grave forge]

My tip for Eris is that you want to be at point blank
takes away her range advantage and she turns rather slowly so you can keep dodging behind her

[topaz peak]

Poseidon special

[copper sun]

I was at point blank :P I was pretty close, too; if I'd gotten a better cast for her I would have won

[topaz peak]

Don’t need anything else specifically.

[formal wyvern]

I heard hestia dash worked well against her, but I tried it and it didn’t seem to do much

[distant ocean]

but yes, hestia dash will protect you from all her projectiles if you run

[copper sun]

I had Hera's cast which seems really underwhelming for the most part

[distant ocean]

that's the thing, she doesn't really give you much warning for when she's about to fire so I don't think hestia dash is vital lol unless you pre-empt situations and do a poor job of sticking to her backside.

[topaz peak]

Sprint and all her projectiles burn

[red perch]

aspect of charon axe build?

[formal wyvern]

I still got killed by a projectile while sprinting idk

[red perch]

it says "Most" projectiles

[copper sun]

am I not playing this right? it doesn't seem to be that great on the surface—I thought it would inflict Hitch on at least the mobs trapped in it

[brittle prairie]

Its benefit is lasting longer

ehich can stack interestingly with other effects

[formal wyvern]

It’s a counter to fights that do small spawns, not really good in most circumstances

[copper sun]

it's not a bad benefit that it lasts longer (at least most of the time) but it doesn't really mesh well with my playstyle

[brittle prairie]

It lasting linger stacks well with Charon Axe or Pan Daggers

[faint oyster]

Try Hestia, Hepahestus, or Zeus paired with Hera's Hitch status

[topaz peak]

Hera cast isn’t the best one. I like aphro but a lot of people say Demeter and zeus range i think. Or is it demeter and hestia range

[ancient bloom]

Hera's cast only value on Pan is the longer duration, but the best ones are the ones that enable faster procs of Origination, so demeter/hestia are my favorites for Pan, Hestia also enables the duo boon with Poseidon special which is super strong

[distant ocean]

the only time i've seen hera's cast be amazing, top 3 boons is in any heat speedruns, where it's used to insta clear ad phases and swarms.

[copper sun]

if it inflicted Hitch, I don't necessarily think it'd be amazing, but it might be a bit better

[distant ocean]

but only in the first couple of regions, after things get extra hearts or armor it's pretty useless outside of just giving you a longer laster cast ring, which is kind of a nerf for respositioning or apollo cast dps.

[copper sun]

I wish I had gotten a DOT cast; I would have won that match if I had

[topaz peak]

But for bosses they can move through cast so you need to reposition cast a lot so a longer cast isn’t helpful

[brittle prairie]

A long lasting cast alone is still really nice

[charred flame]

Idk if you guys know this or not, but you can "preview" the first reward each night by grabbing the first boon and then quitting. Whatever shows up in the list will be the same for and other boons you pick. Like you select aphro and see attack, cast, and sprint options, you will get those options even if you change the god keepsake. The options are determined when you spawn in your tent.

[copper sun]

with bosses and mobs that jump/grab it's generally worse, because you can't reposition

[faint oyster]

If you're familiar with the Rama bow in Hades 1, Hitch acts the same way. You want status effects that deal constant damage. So Scorch, Vent, or Blitz

[copper sun]

also for me I'm always dashing/sprinting all over the place and I generally want my cast to last a short time and inflict a curse if possible to trigger Origination

[distant ocean]

the cast i would go for is demeter, freeze and cyclone on your cast basically is total control and activates all your damage cards at the same time

[topaz peak]

Hestia range or the actual cast?

[ancient bloom]

actual cast

[faint oyster]

Demeter is fun in that her cast can automatically trigger Origination

[copper sun]

I just got unlucky with boons in the Rift of Thessaly I think

[grave forge]

not quite, Rama would cause even solo enemies to take extra damage when you hit them, Hitch doesn't

[brittle prairie]

Hitch is always good if you have any amount of AoE

[distant ocean]

fair, taking any curse you can get is vital in a drought lol

[topaz peak]

Origination?

[copper sun]

honestly, what I like about Hades (and Hades II) is that you can always go over and say "here's where I messed up" (or at least "here's where I got unlucky") and it doesn't feel like the game hates you

[brittle prairie]

origination additive is decent but not gamechanging additive damage increases have harsh diminishing returns

[copper sun]

arcana card. if a mob (or boss) has 2 or more curses on them, you deal more damage to them

probably one of the best arcana in the game at the moment; you don't get a lot of flat damage increases

[topaz peak]

I like aphro on pan because it pulls mobs in and so allows for crowed control and crap

[obsidian acorn]

does zeus curse proc in one hit if you do enough damage ?

[brittle prairie]

+50% when you already deal +100% is only effectively an extea 1.25x damage

[distant ocean]

i dunno i've felt pretty hated by the game when I get terrible hammers 3 runs in a row lol

[snow breach]

Daze + Dodge: Additive or Multiplicative?
Seems like same mechanic

[topaz peak]

What did you do to upset the rng gods

[distant ocean]

got a sub 10minute run at 38fear maybe

[brittle prairie]

Im not sure id say that, most basuc boons are a damage increase, origination isnt flat damage, its additive, its stack with other effects like +80% on an epic damage boost boon for 130% total for example

[topaz peak]

Momos?

[copper sun]

for me part of the fun of the game is trying to succeed with crappy builds, but I get what you mean

[distant ocean]

ofcourse, but my artemis run at 32fear is 12minutes

[steel sequoia]

i get some awful rng sometimes, ive lost a run bc hera ripped off all my zeus boons and i didnt have any choice

[topaz peak]

I should play artemis more

[distant ocean]

I haven't figured out the artemis run as much yet tho.

[copper sun]

she does that? that's extremely funny

[topaz peak]

Damn. The only reason I really want hera is for the regen

[brittle prairie]

Artemis is kind of annoying but the reward is there

[distant ocean]

hera gain seems important for artemis