h2-builds-and-combat

[bleak night]

nice.

[glossy rivet]

maybe i change revenant or commotion to +1 charon prices

[rich shard]

Does the eye keepsake actually help much with chonos or should I keep skellys on

Its at level 2 so +25% dmg to chronos

I dont wana risk making a game ending mistake cuz my build really op rn

[orchid fog]

anybody else officially just DONE with Hecate turning them into a sheep? It's such a mindless, annoying, time waster.

[rich shard]

I haven't been turned into a sheep in a long time lol

I just dodge it or the frog eats it for me

[orchid fog]

I can't avoid it. It's so fast. It's stressful trying to dash into it

[night gazelle]

Frog makes it nicer, but I do agree it’s a hassle when it happens

[orchid fog]

oh the frog can do that? I use Toula and she's absolutely useless.

[rich shard]

Frog best pet

[reef tiger]

idk why i still cant unlock tula 😭

[rich shard]

Hecate even has multiple lines for it lol

"That was not for you frog!"

[jolly bramble]

she gets so annoyed when frinos eats the hex

[orchid fog]

I activated Toula to kill Hecate and she just yelled "CAT!"

[jolly bramble]

toula is fine later one when youre farming bones

[orchid fog]

what does she have to do with bones?

[jolly bramble]

getting 1k psyhce can be a pain

[split igloo]

Toula let's u fish more

[spare kite]

Auto fishing minigame

[jolly bramble]

you sell the fish for bones

[night gazelle]

Is all %damage additive like in the first game?

[jolly bramble]

only when it says +X%. some boons says flat increase

[sturdy crag]

I'm gonna sound like a noob, but I can't figure out how does Frinos work? I have him following me around in the run but how do I get use of him?

[glossy rivet]

which chaos boon is better: faster omega charge or boon rarity?

im still in tartarus and using mel skull

[spare kite]

Any projectile in contact with him gets deleted

[jolly bramble]

depends on if you want faster omega charge

[night gazelle]

Sorry—are there multiplicative % modifiers in some cases?

[frosty ruin]

He just sits there. He will tank any ranged damage that comes his way and can be used to compel shades

[brittle prairie]

He gives Passive Max HP up, he allows you to channel a limited number of shades, and he blocks projectiles from enemies

[sturdy crag]

Do you need to press anything or you just go behind him and he tanks it?

[glossy rivet]

is 23% faster a big deal for skull?

[jolly bramble]

ye. aprho does +80%. hera, apollo and demeter are also % based additives

[bleak night]

I thought you were just dead and the run was over when you got frozen outside of the 900 damage Chronos 2 thing. Those resists come in clutch

[frosty ruin]

Just sit behind him

[sturdy crag]

Okayy thanks a lot

[bleak night]

I kinda wish I recorded my run now

[nimble dawn]

True but echo’s 50% dodge rate was nuts as well

[bleak night]

Oh, right, that one as well.

[spare kite]

Crits are the only mult we have rn I think

[night gazelle]

Right, I’m asking if all %-based damage modifiers stack additively like in the first game. Say I have Hera for +80% special and Giga Moonburst for +1500%

[nimble dawn]

My 50fear run was much better but I was chatting with my friend in VC, just recorded boss fight

[jolly bramble]

no idea for that one. go test

[spare kite]

Actually is movement/sprint speed multiplicative again or additive now

[night gazelle]

So same as the first game it sounds like

[bleak night]

how many runs do you usually do until you get the really good ones that have good rng for hammer, etc ?

[orchid fog]

man there is like no way to make decent money in the Mourning Fields

[spare kite]

Take double up and pray

[fluid quail]

what do yall build with aspdect of persephone?

[nimble dawn]

I only roll for first hammer, prob couple restarts after that till not taking dmg on first stage

[jolly bramble]

i mean you can get hera attack (+50%) then tall order (+20%) but i have no idea if the bonuses are additive or multiplicative

[bleak night]

Oh, I see. You basically get yourself killed so the seed is new, right ?

[jolly bramble]

then path of stars can give small bonuses (+5%)

[tender gazelle]

I mostly view the mourning fields as “pick up a bunch of side upgrades and hope to dupe a hammer”

[nimble dawn]

Yup

[bleak night]

alright, makes sense

[trail python]

best umbral flame aspect?

[jolly bramble]

eos if youre into spamming omega attack

either one is good if you want omega special

mel might have an edge for making the flames last longer

[trail python]

okie, ty

[night gazelle]

Also—is “+power” a flat damage bonus before %mults?

[bleak night]

Thanks

[civic ocean]

#h2-victory-boasting message I think this is probably where I want to take Momus post-nerfs to Poseidon interacting with the base special. Heph + Hera + Antler seems incredibly strong?

[bleak night]

I kinda wish I recorded my entire Axe run now

I could've submitted it

[ebon spade]

what attack boon would be good to pair with an aphrodite special damage boon pan dagger build

[civic ocean]

Depends on the cards, are we assuming Origination?

[ebon spade]

yes

[meager wadi]

is S dust just to brew snacks or clouds

[civic ocean]

Something that inflicts a status reliably. Demeter is always a good shout, though Demeter's cast stuff can be better. You can also go Hephastus or Poseidon just to help with AOE clear

[split igloo]

Yeah it's just for upgrading frinos or the cat

[jolly bramble]

theres an arcana that needs it i think? i dont remember all of them

[tender gazelle]

This reminds me, what do y’all think is the over under on Born Gain getting nerfed…given that it turns your mana into a quadratic with leading term Max Unprimed Mana^2 / Gain prime value.

[civic ocean]

Born Gain, Wave Flourish, and Mint Condition all seem like really high nerf candidates on first impression

[jolly bramble]

dont touch it

[tender gazelle]

Having 100 mana means you just get to effortlessly burn 550 per room! 😂 and every bottle you get after that adds over 330 to that!

[rich shard]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/694711532927320095/1239819560597590087/IMG_2640.png?ex=66444f71&is=6642fdf1&hm=119da8649a5a291e90238b4404f24bda50b91c08083c7309614aea315c4ac684&

I WAS RIGHT AAAAA

[charred flame]

Man. Apollo cast with moon Arcana and Charon aspect is wild

Fricken 2500 damage per trigger

[civic ocean]

Oarverkill

[jolly bramble]

chronos is eating like 1000 mana when im running torches

[bleak night]

You have a video of that going off, actually? That sounds really fun

[charred flame]

Idk if I do or not lol there is probably some app recording gameplay but idk what or how to properly imbed it in here

[bleak night]

ah, rip

I've been using the Gamebar Windows 11 comes with

[charred flame]

I'll have to mess with it later and see. But that was the easiest time I've ever had with chronos by a Longshot

I didnt have any fear on, but when I do I know what build to try again lol

[tender gazelle]

Good news, a default born gain needs 140 mana to reach that. However, if you get a tasty Pom or get it down to 8 prime through rarity, 120 is almost exactly enough for 100.

[orchid fog]

is garlic found on the surface?

[jolly bramble]

via shovel, yes

[split igloo]

Yeah u dig it up

[orchid fog]

thankee. time to unlock the canteen finally lol

[lusty heron]

the fishing pier is the most horrible unlock >.<

[orchid fog]

driftwood, right?

[lusty heron]

yeah

4 of them

[orchid fog]

yeah that's annoying, especially considering I find the cyclops like, the hardest boss besides Chronos himself.

Although I haven't fought Eris yet

[jolly bramble]

polyphemus is more annoying WHEN HE HAS KILLER SHEEP RUNNING AROUND

[lusty heron]

yeah
the killer sheep are the real problem

[orchid fog]

Eris uses the Adamant Rail, right?

[brittle prairie]

Yeah the sheep being unkillable and umstunable is super annoying fpr polyphemus

[split igloo]

Wait those sheep do damage to you?? I was wondering why they had circles around them n just being like ooooh they're different colours now pretty 😭😭😭

[jolly bramble]

damned bot

[bleak night]

I just realized they nerfed death defiance by 10% flat in this game lol

[lusty heron]

getting selene with time slow is really good for olympus road though

[orchid fog]

no swearing we are a good christi--i mean greek community

[jolly bramble]

the one with hex circles around block attacks even the melee attacks

[brittle prairie]

those ones dont, there are different types of sheep he can summon

[jolly bramble]

malaka!

[split igloo]

Yeah only restores 40% instead of 50% and it hurts more because meli has way lower health

[orchid fog]

Oh neat I was just playing AC recently

[formal wyvern]

i was trying to do zeus-hepaestus duo boon strat - does the chain lightning bouncing to you trigger revenge effects? It got rid of my boss room barrier for some reason despite not doing damage

[lusty heron]

sounds like you need to level frinos = D

[brittle prairie]

idk feels like atleast later game you can get way more health than zagreus with Mel

[orchid fog]

you can level your familiars?!

[lusty heron]

yes

[orchid fog]

will any of it make Toula less useless?

[split igloo]

Oh okay thanks there's so little info since the game just released so idk what mechanics do what I just kinda ignored the sheep's in my fear runs 😭

[lusty heron]

you can get the dd to 40 hp restore

[jolly bramble]

she gives more hp when usign death defiance...and more uses for her swipe and tool

[orchid fog]

gotcha.

[orchid fog]

Question. You being Torch enjoyer... refers to the Umbral Toches in this right?

[brittle prairie]

Toula does good damage when upgraded

[jolly bramble]

yes

[brittle prairie]

up to I think 396 per activation at max

[orchid fog]

Have you ever played Zelda, Ocarina of Time?

[jolly bramble]

failed in emulating it on PC, so i havent fullly played it yet

[orchid fog]

crap. There's a boss that uses two magic torches, one fire, one ice, called "twinrova". I'm petitioning that a mixed Hestia/Demeter torch build be called Twinrova in honor.

[brittle prairie]

free fishing rod is never useless

[orchid fog]

It will be once the patch to allow you to bring all your tools at once goes through

[brittle prairie]

thats def not happening

[orchid fog]

did you read today's update on the steam page?

[zenith bolt]

they weren't exactly specific about what they meant there

[jolly bramble]

just some balance changes soon ™️

[lusty heron]

yeah thats not what they said

[split igloo]

Sprint changes 👀

[orchid fog]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/819536635850129419/1239824746259152976/image.png?ex=66445446&is=664302c6&hm=0ae555cae0d48670d824a64befcad9ad10a8d988a90d2590f22f091f6c0892f2&

[ionic lily]

They didn't specify how they're going to address the resource gathering

[orchid fog]

"we don't want resource gathering to feel too frustrating, such as if YOU DIDN'T BRING THE RIGHT TOOL ALONG FOR THE RIDE"

[ionic lily]

It could be like keepsakes where you can swap after guardians

[orchid fog]

seems like they'll at least implement something in the region changes to switch tools

[lusty heron]

yeah and the first line is " we want players to focus on goals that are important to them "

[jolly bramble]

just gimme more familiar ranks on the resource gathering and im good. and maybe a mole or smth for digging up plants

[orchid fog]

the fact that we're a witch and the available cat familiar isn't pure black with glowing yellow eyes is a miss IMO

[ionic lily]

Honestly, a pickaxe, and a shovel familar would help resolve quite a bit of the resouce problem

[charred flame]

Bet the dog is the shovel one

[jovial cove]

I didn't know familiars were in the game until I'd beat chronos 3 times

[jolly bramble]

im already at the point where i have almost no use for the pick, so i cant say that theres to much frustration

[jovial cove]

and then another 5 to figure out how to unlock

[orchid fog]

it's literally a main objective that pops up in the crossroads until you do it lmao

[lusty heron]

yeah the resource problem sounds more like a early game problem

[jovial cove]

where

[lusty heron]

which is fine tbh

i am more locked by the regional specialities like driftwood

[ionic lily]

Same, I think I only need a bit of silver to max out one more aspect, otherwise all I need is bones for m-dust

[orchid fog]

I dunno how it happened for you, but every time I respawned near the frog after a run, it gave me a prompt in the top corner to make the frog my familiar, and I never did it cuz I was saving the item for the cat.

[jolly bramble]

its always that damned driftwood

[bleak night]

wondering how many pets they have planned. Four, I guess ?

[jovial cove]

okay because I didn't even know the item existed

[ionic lily]

Driftwood and lotus flowers my bane of resource collection

[jolly bramble]

someone said you needed to have fish in your inventory to lure toula out

[orchid fog]

Yeah that's on you for not reading the couldron upgrades

[charred flame]

Frog, cat, dog, and...something that can break rocks. I vote a gorilla

[faint oyster]

I'm guessing it's the other two, the dog and the polecat tbh. The ones that show up next to Hecate's cauldron

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1239825922320765038/image.png?ex=6644555e&is=664303de&hm=798d41beb65d972ed04fc3fa18362696982ff78572b7b06a1f1f68ca9bcb2ec6&

[jovial cove]

it wasn't in the cauldron, the item didn't exist there because I didn't get the specific dialogue with hecate

[thin lantern]

Thaaat does not happen to everyone apparently.

[bleak night]

||someone datamined and saw a half-finished Raven pet||

[thin lantern]

Monke.

[orchid fog]

I'm not sure about that. My only limiter was that the cat moves to the docks on the surface after like, only three encounters with it. When I went to the surface to finally make Toula my familiar, I don't think I had any fish on me.

[thin lantern]

YES

Perfection

[split igloo]

More pets !!!!

[livid reef]

lmao look at this https://medal.tv/games/hades-ii/clips/2d3JXu9mZ-x-o1/d1337OeCxv18?invite=cr-MSxsMnAsMTM1NzkwNDYs

[faint oyster]

So finally won with a Torch, it really feels like a weapon that wants attacks that deal a lot of curses and secondary effects.

[orchid fog]

Petition for the zone 3 boss stopping you from reaching Olypmus be Heracles in a future update.

[charred flame]

Maybe we will get a turtle that grants you armor per level

[faint oyster]

Won with a Hestia Cast+Poseidon Special (Zeus butted himself in) then the Hestia+Poseidon duo saved my butt

[charred flame]

If they decide to not do the other thing

[thin lantern]

Sure is. It's similar to rail but more mobile.

[jovial cove]

we have froge for tankiness
which they are not usually known for

[split igloo]

I just use the aspect that pulls your attacks back to you and spam attack does a lot of dps

[thin lantern]

...What, like, just borrowing Hermes' pet?

[charred flame]

Hell yeah

[brittle prairie]

a fishing rod alongsidevregional tool switching is still useful cause it lets you loot fish and another resource from the same room

[jolly bramble]

the hell is happening here

[thin lantern]

Yep, Eos torch is pretty unga bunga busted. It's epic.

[charred flame]

Hermes better have a pet turtle

[livid reef]

dude I have no clue, the projectiles just started going crazy lmao

[faint oyster]

Hermes has a tortoise pet he carries along all around him (and is on his Shrine) maybe we get to borrow him as a familiar? XD

[split igloo]

Froge is a big boy though and big boy = tanky :3

[jolly bramble]

he does in fact have one in one of his dialogues

[livid reef]

I was using the auto lock aspect with ricochet + 16 in a circle

[charred flame]

Oh sick

[thin lantern]

He does. It is literally in his bag and he talks about the tortoise if you bring a pet, eventually

[livid reef]

the projectiles just broke lmfao

[split igloo]

He does I believe he mentions it if you bring a pet with u

[brittle prairie]

they should make this a hammer upgrade

[iron brook]

what are the best animal companions?

[jovial cove]

you can see the turtle he brings it with him

[livid reef]

fr, seems balanced

[thin lantern]

Eos torch is unironically just a Hades 1 playstyle aspect. You chain dodge through enemies and they die

[split igloo]

Froggie imo

[jovial cove]

familiar tier list time,
top tier: 🐱
bottom tier: 🐸

[split igloo]

There's only two pets rn I think tho

[faint oyster]

Frinos for HP and Psyche collecting, Toula for tiny extra death defiance and more bones (fish)

[split igloo]

Froggie defeats Eris!!!

[brittle prairie]

+40 hp is crazy lol

[split igloo]

I prefer the frog, I'm just not used to sprinting unless I got the build for it

[stray fog]

I want the cat so bad. I'm working on the second familiar food thing.

[jovial cove]

it's not a serious tier list lmao

but yes I like 40 hp

[split igloo]

If u want more pet treats the one difficulty level chaos trials are impossible to fail

There's one that's revenge build and you literally just get hit to win lol

[stray fog]

I've done a few! I really love the trials. I didn't realize they give me pet treats

[young magnet]

Is it normal for zeus cast to be doing almost 300 damage per lightning bolt tick? [video contains final boss spoilers]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWyP9_hpnQM

[split igloo]

Yeah u craft more treats using the stardust they give u and lotus flower from oceanus

[thin lantern]

Let's be real. Both familiars are peak

[split igloo]

You get 2 treats per cooking

[stoic birch]

I get down to Chronos almost every time now but always die in p2, any really good easy build for a first clear? Which deity would be ideal for Cere Staff Special spam on chronos?

[stray fog]

Also I just unlocked the aspects. I meant to come here for advice on Mel vs Than axe.

[split igloo]

They are both cute so yes :3

[split igloo]

Thanatos any day tbh

[stoic birch]

still trying to get cat, only doing downstairs atm due to evil eye chronos, but i couldve sworn ive seen the cat downstairs too, not in the last 5 runs though

[split igloo]

You stack the crit PER hit of your omega attack

[charred flame]

It's like 1 stack per enemy once per trigger.

So you can stack get multiple stacks on the same enemy.

Or at least that's how it has behaved for me

[split igloo]

Kitty moved permanently to the shores for me once I got there in overworld

[stoic birch]

ahh k

[stray fog]

It's only 4% tho. And Mel seems to move faster? Is it worth it? I've been struggling w the first boss on Olympus route.

[split igloo]

When u upgrade it it's much higher

[stray fog]

Ok sounds like I'll be focusing that upgrade next then.

[bleak night]

It's 20% at max

[split igloo]

Oh if u struggle with the Cyclops it's much easier if u have range weapon

[stray fog]

Man screw that boss he's so hard

[bleak night]

true, Polyphemus has the janky hitboxes where him leaping does more damage than him stomping the ground to let out a shockwave. It's so funny

Not even the leap impact, the mid-air leap is what damages you

[thin lantern]

Ranged? I just use Eos torch and dash directly through his legs over and over to kill him in 30 seconds.

[civic ocean]

presumably that damage is from him landing on you

[stray fog]

He's harder than Cerby bc of this

[split igloo]

Me dodging the aftershock ring by dashing back to place my cast only to get damage by this man 50 feet above me

[thin lantern]

No, he damages you in midair

[thin lantern]

Me dodging directly through his model so the marshmallow ghosts chunk him for like 10% of his health mid jump while I take no damage: 😎

Gigachad eos: If you can hit me in midair, I can hit you in midair too. Now eat your mallows.

[stoic birch]

what god for Cere staff aspect have you been having success with for omega special builds

[split igloo]

Fr the ghosts from torches are so cute

[topaz peak]

Cyclops is free. Just have to time it right

Scylla is harder imo

[split igloo]

Omega torch ghosts having angry faces is peak design

[stray fog]

I feel like Scylla got super easy for me. But I struggle with Cyclops and Cerby, with Cyclops being hardest so far.

I do get past him but lose so much health I just die at the next mini boss

[bleak night]

the smell of his feet assails your nose so hard it does 60 damage

[topaz peak]

Cerby is easy

[timid bobcat]

In my surface runs its polyphemus that eats my DDs. I have eris down but cant with poly's jumps

[topaz peak]

Of course i kill him in 30 sec

[split igloo]

Imo if u run omega special staff go with momentus or whatever the name is its super op

[thin lantern]

And the small ones just being little Super Mario World mountain style eye blobs is great

[jovial cove]

I thought they were Pac-Man ghosts

[stoic birch]

was that the other aspect?

[opaque steppe]

which one is better?
aphrodite's flutter strike or volcanic strike?

[topaz peak]

The thing with cerby is that he gives a lot of indication and if you get behind him you’re set

[thin lantern]

No, those have 👀 and these just have little ''

[topaz peak]

Aphro all the way if your a melee

[thin lantern]

The shockwaves go pretty far tho

[topaz peak]

Dodge into it

[split igloo]

Yeah yeah u can ignore the lifesteal it gives you like +5 power on special and omega special per level

[topaz peak]

It’s relatively slow compared to a lot of the other shockwaves

[split igloo]

Volcanic more fun but Aphrodite is better for close up and even range if u get Island getaway (Aphrodite + poseidon duo)

[topaz peak]

And a lot of his shockwaves were just half the arena

[thin lantern]

Is Volcanic Hephaestus or Hestia

[topaz peak]

The duo is so good

[opaque steppe]

i know nothing about duo's. idk how to activate them?

[split igloo]

Hesphaestus

[thin lantern]

It 100% depends on what weapon. If you're using your attack constantly don't use Hephaestus on it

[split igloo]

Just keep getting boons from two gods you'll get it eventually

[topaz peak]

Basically you need specific boons

In ge case of pos and aphro you need the attack of one and the special of the other

[split igloo]

I got it on my axe special build and omg one shot explosions

[topaz peak]

I use pan and i like aphro so i go pos on attack aphro on special

[timid bobcat]

But isnt pos on special straight up more dmg most times?

[topaz peak]

Sure but who cares.

[split igloo]

He is side character this time

[topaz peak]

And if you’re going for duo aphro on special is better

[timid bobcat]

How much is the base dmg of a single dagger throw?

[meager wadi]

is general opinion of hexes that theyre weak?

[timid bobcat]

Some of are good, some are weak

[topaz peak]

Time slow is great

[split igloo]

I only like the healing the slow or the meteor the others I never take and I also don't like that you need another selune boon to upgrade them so I'd say so

[topaz peak]

Beam sucks cause you don’t get invincibility

[jolly bramble]

wait til you get to eris

[timid bobcat]

Time slow and heal are the best imo. Morph and resurrect is the next tier. The rest is kinda whatever

[jolly bramble]

also i havent seen charbydis in so long

[topaz peak]

Eris can be cheesed though

[split igloo]

Base beam dps is so bad... I outdps with ghosts or staff special

[jolly bramble]

when youre new at eris it can be confusing

[split igloo]

Ring around the rosy + froge

[topaz peak]

I was thinking more hestia dash

[split igloo]

Oh he's random he was gone for me for a few too

[split igloo]

Oh yeah that's ultimate cheese I forgor

[thin lantern]

Some are good out of box like moon water. Some need more Selene rooms to be good, like lunar ray.

[stoic birch]

And what goddess boon are you trying to get for staff special? I've tried lightning and fire but both don't scale % dmg, is it Apollo Special then? (it has % scaling right)

[stoic birch]

I've found the sheep transform to be super good in act 4 for getting all rooms without losing health. Even transforms the "harder" mini bosses

[shy summit]

heal and enemy-disabling hexes are good, but damage hexes are mid
some at least offer passive buffs so it isn't a waste to get offered a path of stars

[thin lantern]

If not Poseidon, then Hera (biggest unconditional damage), Aphrodite (biggest damage if you're up close), Apollo (bigger hitboxes and omega specials if you feel like it), or maybe even Demeter (low % damage but good CC status, not the best on a spammy button though)

[split igloo]

I like poseidon or demeter personally and also a boon that let's you throw your cast out so you can throw cast then spam staff special for the furies card dmg boost plus hopefully privilege status

[raven parcel]

Welp. I unintentionally messed myself up. Had Argent Skulls and picked up the upgrade that causes your Omega Attack to happen when you pick them back up, but takes longer for them to return to you. Didn't consider that it would also trigger a Chaos Boon that zapped life away whenever you use an Omega move. Soft-locked myself out of normal attacks.

[jolly bramble]

people like pos a lot just because of how spammy you can get with momus

[thin lantern]

Ouch. You're now on a Shield until further notice

[shy summit]

poseidon is like zeus from hades 1
great crowd control on fast hitting attacks

[raven parcel]

Oh I was up against sirens and it was too late. I didn't even notice what was killing me until I got down 2 death defies lol

[tired fulcrum]

Its also because its flat damage which gets increased by global damage increases from the origination and furies arcana

And slip and also poseidon legendary being busted

[split igloo]

One of the biggest ways I messed up is taking the axe hammer that makes your whirlwind spins forward on Than axe cause for some reason it doesn't proc thanatos per hit only once

[civic lake]

https://streamable.com/exrpdw
spin^2

Had the requirements for the apollo "your Ω fires twice" but didn't get it

[thin lantern]

Tbf even the best one, psychic whirlwind, does that

[thin lantern]

Not even spin to win, but rather spin-twin

[civic lake]

I actively avoid that hammer, it feels horrible to use

[distant ocean]

found the one thing torch is good at, hiding behind pillars on eris and attacking through them with the specials lol

[raven parcel]

Also I don't know if I'm missing it, but I don't see a damage increase in my Omega Special with Argent Skull utilizing aspect of persephone. Is there a cue or effect I'm missing that shows how much glory I've built up?

[civic lake]

I'll keep trying for a 60% channel hammer + can channel during your spin + apollo Ωx2
I want the see the glory of 8 spins at once

[distant ocean]

ultimate cheese : )

[split igloo]

Really?? It must be a bug right 😭

[civic lake]

Nah, have fun being surprised when your Ωspecial lasts x2 as long and you just special into a wall

[split igloo]

Idk much about whirlwind with aspects since I basically use charons axe all the time for big explosions

[raven parcel]

It increases the length of the special? I thought it just increased the damage.

[civic lake]

If you have enough, your special will last twice as long

[raven parcel]

Huh I'll have to pay more attention to it.

[split igloo]

Never picking it again for sure 😭

[distant ocean]

get this dude a true.

[civic lake]

There's no indicator, which makes the aspect frustrating to use because randomly, you'll special for twice the distance, which is wasted into a wall most of the time, or worse, goes a direction you didn't intend to

[split igloo]

I think u have to build u glory using only non omega hits first it was something I noticed

[distant ocean]

you get yoinky spoinked outtta nowhere and either to your doom or on the fun train

[civic lake]

Yes

Every Ωspecial spends your glory, so you have to build it in between them

[thin lantern]

Sure is.

[civic lake]

Which is probably why you've never seen the longer one, just haven't built enough glory for it

[rich oxide]

Glory? What's glory?

[distant ocean]

just prefer using ohm special all teh time

[thin lantern]

Circle next to your ammo.

[civic lake]

A mechanic specific to an aspect of the skull

[split igloo]

It's fun but not very good imo it's like for fun build

[distant ocean]

the thing that allows for persephone to pop off

[rich oxide]

Ahh Ok

[distant ocean]

i don't think that aspect of the aspect is even the good part, i think the good part is just buffing the omega special itself

[thin lantern]

There is one. Same place as the Than crit counter

[civic lake]

Oh, I'm dead wrong then, sorry!
I remember being frustrated with it and even with a buddy and I looking at a recording we couldn't find it, my bad

[distant ocean]

the damage it deals can be pretty substantial and is pretty much the best part about skulls even if it's a half baked shield XD

[rich oxide]

Any tips to get to Tartarus cause I got to get Pan

[distant ocean]

have fun on your way down, and pick up good damage and defensive arcanas : ) and use them, like the dmg on cast and curse enemies, death defiance, omega slowdown etc

[formal wyvern]

im confused how you're meant to use the skull with aspect of medea, is the only way to blow up the skulls to charge enemies with special or wait 3 seconds?

[distant ocean]

get the transcendent embyro (keepsake from gifting chaos) and aromatic phial (keepsake from narciccus) then grab concave stone (echo keepsake after getting her boon you can gift her) asap, then start your runs on transcendent embyro, try and get a good attack or special boon in common rarity and make sure your other boons are rare or greater if you can, then put on heroic phial after hecate when you unlock the keepsake swap incantation to turn that attack/special boon into a heroic, and then swap that out again after you beat sirens for the echo keepsake for more boonage, and then go for lucky tooth or knuckle bones when you get to tartarus, after you reach the surface you'll be replacing one of these options with experimental hammer(icarus), OR you could just put on white antler start to finish and kick butt.

[distant ocean]

wall of text ^

[ionic lily]

Yeah, think of it as loading up your suicide vests with skull bombs and then using special charge to pressure detonate them

[rich oxide]

Where do you get lucky tooth and knuckle bones?

[split igloo]

Lucky tooth schelemus

[formal wyvern]

oh ok so just encourages a really reckless play style. Also had a bug just then against hecate where i suddenly couldnt use my attack despite having all skulls

[distant ocean]

knuckle bones from odysseus and lucky tooth from schelemus the target dummy

[faint oyster]

Hrm... haven't seen many good omega casts for the Charon aspect Axe. The only one I feel is right is Apollo Cast + Zeus Special

[rich oxide]

Thanks

[split igloo]

Apollo + Zues on the axe is busted. I liked it

[thin lantern]

Poseidon can nuke. But yeah, it only really works with nonzeus omega casts

[faint oyster]

I kinda hoped that Zeus would be good, but guess the best case is for casts that activate after huh?

[thin lantern]

Yeah. Seems a bit like an oversight maybe.

[rich oxide]

Where do you meet echo and is the common boon from the transcendent embryo?

[jade cairn]

Is there any reason to give toula the cat more than 1 snack?

[jolly bramble]

echo is in the fields of mourning. transcendent embryo gives a random chaos boon

[jolly bramble]

to level the familiar abilities. frinos is better to level early tho

[rich oxide]

Is the boon common

[jolly bramble]

no idea

[rich oxide]

How do you get more snacks?

[jolly bramble]

more like i dunno, i havent used it much

[jade cairn]

Where can i check how many upgrade i gave it

[jolly bramble]

make more in the pot

[jolly bramble]

training ground, then check your boon page. the familiar will appear in that info screen

[rich oxide]

I used the incantation but I haven't gotten the recipe

[jolly bramble]

pot has 2 screens, check the 2nd

[distant ocean]

https://ibb.co/kxXfn7C lets go

[civic ocean]

Think Frinos might just be better periodt sadly

[rich oxide]

I have, I only have shadow essence

[jolly bramble]

then you havent unlocked the incantation yet

[rich oxide]

I have frinos as a companion

[jolly bramble]

later on when bone farming, toula is better

[civic ocean]

Ye and then when you're done with bone farm I think Frinos is just better? idk the cat helps with the last few nightmares I guess

[jolly bramble]

you eventually switch back. no point keeping toula if you want a free shield

[civic ocean]

I suppose I haven't thought super deeply about it

My biggest problem rn for 32 on each weapon is trying to get out of Erebus in 5 minutes

so not being a sheep

is based

[timber fractal]

Any recommended boons/gods for Element of Pan daggers?

[rich oxide]

Aphro and pos

[jolly bramble]

pos, dem or hera

[timber fractal]

which should i go for for the special?

[rich oxide]

Aphro, I think

[jolly bramble]

only take aphro special if youre running the duo boon card and have a lot of rerolls for the boon

[timber fractal]

Also is asp of thanatos good? do i play it any different than a normal axe build (aphro + apollo)

[timber fractal]

then whats a more typical one?

[carmine linden]

thanatos is just for spinning right

idk whats your normal axe build like

[timber fractal]

nope all omega movws

[jolly bramble]

pos dem or hera. aphro speial on aspect of pan relies on the duo unless you plan to cast omega special in the enemy face

[zenith bolt]

yeah p much

[signal robin]

how do yall feel abt the skull

[distant ocean]

i like skull special and shotgun omega skulls

in general I don't think the skulls themselves do enough damage either on the bouncy bit or the omega bit

[brittle prairie]

spinning til you get high crit atleast, everything benefits from the crit

[distant ocean]

atleast to justify the annoying play

[brittle prairie]

very strong omega special, ok primary fire to fill in between omega specials

[zinc mural]

how do I get the dark for the axe?

[brittle prairie]

Go to chaos as much as possible

[distant ocean]

far from the worst weapons though, persophone, artemis, and momus are basically all I play

[brittle prairie]

thanatos benefits from the same stuff thats good in normal axe builds

[distant ocean]

most other things have even larger holes in their gameplay loops or are just way too slow to bother with.

[brittle prairie]

albeot a few bugs hold it back by comparison

but crit is still strong despite those bugs

[jolly bramble]

TORCH TORCH TORCH TORCH

[distant ocean]

torch enjoyers don't exist, you can't hurt me.

[brittle prairie]

Eos torch is busted

other torches do exist i guess

[jolly bramble]

maybe in your dreams

[distant ocean]

alright explain like i'm five, how do eos torches = busted xD

[brittle prairie]

Very easy damage stacking, it essentially hits twice per use if you soace your dodges right

[jolly bramble]

rebind your attack button to left trigger, keep it down and then dash every so often to not get hit

[distant ocean]

is it because it's like hook knives with no back stab damage and qaurter of the flat damage?

and like several potential attacks less with the caveat that you have to waste a moment's dash to perform it

[brittle prairie]

not sure what you mean by quarter of the flat damage, it benefits from a lot of boon effects and the omega attack rebounding can stack damage really fast

[tired turret]

Thoughts on madea?

[jolly bramble]

imo rebinding the attack is mandatory so it doesnt feel clunky

[distant ocean]

hm, ok

[brittle prairie]

I mean its moreso integratting positioning into damage dealing, you're going to dash anyways and you keep the omega charge while dashing

[tame vector]

High heat channel when

High fear*

[tired turret]

I immediately rebound my dash to l1 because duh

[jolly bramble]

i swear this swear bot is getting on my nerves

but yeah, me rebinding attack is because my thumb gets sore easily on button mashing. negatives of getting old

[distant ocean]

It's just a lot of set up fora mediocre payoff and it complicates dash patterns and make cast setting more of an issue :l

[tired turret]

This reminds me of senshi from delicious in dungeon

[distant ocean]

it's just way worse staff.

[jolly bramble]

i find it a lot of fun, turning the entire field into bullet hell for your enemies

[tired turret]

Well I have officially unlocked every aspect currently available

Whoo!

I kind of like moros

Omega special and hold down attack to blow enemies tf up

[distant ocean]

again too much set up and mediocre pay off lol torches need a serious buff

[red perch]

anyone got any builds for melinoe skulls?

[distant ocean]

aspect of charon is a good example of not too much set up but a very good pay off, it's hard to talk bad about axe, despite it being maybe 20% too slow

[topaz peak]

SECOND WIN

YES!!!!!!!!!!! took 24 mins

[red perch]

congratz!

[topaz peak]

i recorded this one

[brittle prairie]

+2 skull daedalus hammer

[distant ocean]

https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExaXFwMmhzN2JtcDR6dTQ1ZzYyYWh0OGQ1dnQwbGZ6bzRsdnZxNXFmdSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/r9Kd6B2Hrwck2WQUhD/giphy-downsized-large.gif 😦

[topaz peak]

4 mins too defeat chronos but it there's the dialouge and stuff

how do you turn it into a form you can send on here

[distant ocean]

https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExY2g5a21wcmQ5NDJ1d2NpeGptanc1OW9wdDNxaWszOHd4dW9oMGMxYSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/8vVkXf5tENvgioYwLZ/giphy.gif just to compare

this is without spending any magick...

on either of them

[runic ocean]

clearly the torch is better

[distant ocean]

or even using a cast since both have a tough time cast powering their attacks which makes them sub standard

[topaz peak]

https://imgur.com/a/xgt0XCr

[jolly bramble]

🤝

[runic ocean]

While I do think the torches need a buff. that's not really a good comparison

like, you can do that comparison with every weapon that isn't the axe

and then put the axe right after

[distant ocean]

I intentionally used the slowest weapon to prove a point

but I could use the fastest weapon to prove the point harder lol

ultimately it's not just a lack of damage but it's also simply the function, it's awful with the splitting hammer half of it's special hammers are nerfs half of it's attack hammers are nerfs lol and to get eos to function properly you have to dash linearly with an enemy which is not ideal since most everything in the game also attacks you directly in a line, wasting a vital part of your defensive strategy to buff your damage to mediocrity is eh

[runic ocean]

yeah

I don't know how this weapon made it live, it feels like no one played it before putting it in the game

[thin lantern]

compares aspect to one specific overtuned hammer kek

also, what a lot of setup? you hold one button and dash in two directions, back and forth. what's so complicated about that, and how is it hard to cast that way

[thin lantern]

you're using it wrong, also, good luck getting that whole combo on the axe at higher fears.

[distant ocean]

how is it being used wrong lol

[topaz peak]

my 2nd kronos win

[thin lantern]

imagine standing still while using eos torches, just sitting around waiting for omega like a lemon instead of zipping around the enemy constantly and pelting them with ghosts

[sly turret]

Any tips on how to use the Moros Torches?

[thin lantern]

you can fire while moving and dashing in literally any direction, uninterrupted

[distant ocean]

that's not incorrect usage

[topaz peak]

actually busted

[thin lantern]

unfortunately, wait for bugfixes. moros torch is kinda bugged out the wazoo

[distant ocean]

sometimes you have to not run around, the point of it wasn't to dance like a princess

[thin lantern]

well whatever, if you just insist 'nuh-uh' then you're beyond help

[jolly bramble]

this is the only torch i dislike, so probably skip it for now

[distant ocean]

you're telling me that if you move alot the damage goes up?

[thin lantern]

believe whatever you want, I'm going to enjoy when one of the stronger aspects gets overbuffed just because you people keep complaining

[civic ocean]

Wow so cool

[distant ocean]

I just don't get it..

[thin lantern]

also btw, try landing that last axe hit on speed fears or something.

[runic ocean]

using axe normal attacks in general is griefing your run

[distant ocean]

I mean I won't have to because the axe has good omega attacks and special lol

[thin lantern]

also, literally when? since when do bosses want you to just sit there? chronos p2?

[bleak night]

I honestly believe they should buff Mel Axe's recovery speeds for this so it has a different usage to Than Axe

allow it to thrive using the basic swings rather than beyblading so it has its own identity

[thin lantern]

so the same but make its actual upgrade value bigger?

like that's the whole concept, is the number just too low at 35%?

[runic ocean]

yeah

[distant ocean]

uh chronos p2, when there's any sort of large aoe happening, stillness is just as much a virtue

[bleak night]

Pretty much, yeah. I'd think 40 or 45% at max rank rather than 25% would actually feel like something

[civic ocean]

Should be like +80% recovery -30% omega move damage or smth

[thin lantern]

wait, it's not 35? wait what. I could have sworn it was 35%

[runic ocean]

I don't really like the axe in general tho, without the recharge speed hammer it's barely a real weapon

[bleak night]

We'll see as it goes, but 80 feels too much, 60 upper limit imo

[civic ocean]

Sure

[bleak night]

it's only 25, sadly

[topaz peak]

https://youtu.be/sbBkyy74k3I the video of my win it's pretty cool but not the fastest or the most flawless it could have been. i've seen better.

[civic ocean]

It needs to be way way more is my point and it should make omega moves worse as a tradeoff

[bleak night]

iunno, I've been making it work in high Fears atm with unlucky hammers being given to Specials and I can still manage it. The real issue for Axe is how much harder the Vow with two blue hearts is for it compared to every other weapon

[distant ocean]

@thin lantern also why would you care if it did get overbuffed, don't you like the weapon?

[runic ocean]

yeah the heart vow is crazy on the axe

[distant ocean]

Or do you only like the idea that you're different than all the people going for the overrated or 'good' possibly even 'overtuned' stuff?

[bleak night]

I've been weaving in tapped Specials just so I can break through them better

[distant ocean]

cuz I get it, dominant strategies can kinda ruin creativity

[civic ocean]

Its a single player game

Play how you want lol

[sly turret]

Aphrodite or poseidon for mel torches special?

[thin lantern]

when there's a large aoe, you're
-out of staff normal range
-we don't talk about staff special, that's an outlier with momus or poseidon or both, but without either of them you're in range for that and it's pretty... mid without momus
-out of dagger normal range
-out of dagger special range without pan+rangecast or the one that makes them fire in a straight line
-out of axe normal and spin range unless you're an apollo enjoyer
-gonna be charging that axe omega for thirty years, although that can snipe better than torches, for sure
-okay the skull's got this... until the mag is dumped, if you don't have the autoloader hammer
-skull charge is gonna clown on you unless it's an omega, and then you have to gauge distance
-in torch attack range for sure, lay the super mallows down
-out of torch special range, for sure

[civic ocean]

Hera, I think

[runic ocean]

well, I've had many games buff things I used into the stratosphere, which just made playing it feel bad. too overtuned

[thin lantern]

brother I said 'I'm going to enjoy it'

I meant that unironically. I want the torches to get meme buffs they don't need and QoL they do need.

[distant ocean]

it sounded sarcastic in the moment lol spiteful even, but if you're going to enjoyit i'ma complain :B

[thin lantern]

not my problem if you do

complain all you like, I'll just play them. unless they become momus 2

well it's the only good infinite ammo ranged option for my hands, at least. staff literally makes my RSI flare

[distant ocean]

eh, my perspective is muddied by the desire to take it to max fear potentially. I'm sorry

[thin lantern]

is that a sarcastic apology or what? I really have no clue what your deal is

[civic ocean]

Why

[runic ocean]

what's wrong with momus, it's perfectly balanced

[bleak night]

balanced for speedrunning*

[runic ocean]

you just instantly win after getting 1 boon and 1 hammer. not too broken

[thin lantern]

momus is pretty godawful to actually play, my hand cramps every time

[distant ocean]

because if you're just playing the game for fun then sure eos is okay w/e

[bleak night]

||...There's a mod out for replacing Mel's dash into Zag's already||

[runic ocean]

that's so true it hurt my hand earlier

[thin lantern]

what do you want then? lmao

[distant ocean]

or not even that maybe you enjoy the extra handicap or challenge that comes with using it

[civic ocean]

Yeah but if you're angling to do the thing that only one player in the history of the series has ever done you gotta think about it different after seeing it for a week, you know?

[distant ocean]

Nothing, I got my weapons you got yours

[thin lantern]

'handicap' 'challenge' okay, I get it, you're being patronizing.

[runic ocean]

I hate mel's dash, but for the reason that it has a slight delay before it starts

[distant ocean]

I'm really not, I'm just compartmentalizing

[runic ocean]

it feels as if the game is performing a check on hold/press before dashing it feels awful

[bleak night]

apparently it has a nine frame input lag, yeah

[distant ocean]

I think it's a greater feat to beat the game with torches, genuinely, that's not even a jab

[civic ocean]

You literally cannot beat the game rn

[distant ocean]

Lol I know

But of the game what is possible to beat rn~

[orchid fog]

So I fought eris for the first time.

[thin lantern]

has anyone actually DONE 55 fear?

[orchid fog]

She ripped through three death defiance AND my lucky tooth. I uh... I need to adjust.

[thin lantern]

last I checked, they were up to 50 and no arcana was not a thing

[distant ocean]

@thin lantern I haven't seen it but I feel like no arcana is possible in my gut :T

[thin lantern]

no arcana is insane, way worse than no mirror in hades 1 I think

[runic ocean]

I left eris on 1% hp on my first try then she started disappearing all the time and got thru 2 death defiances being like 2 hits away from dead

fun times, honestly

[distant ocean]

just need the right heph boons...

[thin lantern]

you talking about magick to health and coarse grit from demeter, or something?

[keen wave]

why is the slow time while channeling arcana so cheap?

[thin lantern]

get to chronos and you'll find out :p

[keen wave]

its vital for most builds, and yet it literally costs 1 strain

[distant ocean]

trusty shield, mint condition, and soft caress if possible

[runic ocean]

because the game is balanced around it

[keen wave]

i mean ig that is true

[distant ocean]

coarse grit isn't going to be possible at all in a max fear run

[thin lantern]

ah, those. trusty shield is nutty tbh

[distant ocean]

free DD every room at those fear levels basically

[thin lantern]

wait, is it not? can't you still get six common earths or something

[civic ocean]

I've got something like 5 or 6 wins against Chronos at 20-32 fear now playing desp 5

I feel quite certain that it isn't going to be possible to get out of erebus in 5 minutes on 55 fear

[thin lantern]

trusty shield is a very underrated sleeper boon. it instantly negates the 300% damage first hit fear

[distant ocean]

it'd be extremely hard with all the lost boons and trying to get good damage simultaneously.

[civic ocean]

I don't think it's mathematically possible?

[bleak night]

It'll be a miracle to get out of Erebus in 5 minutes with everything missing, more enemies and more enemy HP with revenants tbh

[thin lantern]

yeah no I actually doubt you could get out of a biome in 5 minutes that way

[bleak night]

Maybe one in a billion

[civic ocean]

Hmm

[thin lantern]

not even abusing a poseidon momus start with a second major find double moonshot, or something

[civic ocean]

Actually maybe not

[distant root]

max rank thanatos axe, or work on medea skull? i've heard good things

[thin lantern]

well MAYBE that specific setup would work.

[distant ocean]

I mean that would be the dream if you also start antler

[brittle prairie]

I dont really understand how the Medea skull works

[bleak night]

Max rank the Axe, Medea feels jank rn because it's a weapon with little to no defensive capabilities that wants you to keep going into the fray

[distant ocean]

if that couldnt' do it nothing would

[civic ocean]

You would need to hit everything -

Chaos
Nemesis
Artemis
Arachne
Arachne webs
Charon

And you go heph hera momus and swap to antler

[distant root]

its kind of like a bomb you strap to yourself, so you dash into enemies with it active

[keen wave]

im so axepilled that whenever i run artemis blades i try to parry with right click and get stomped

[distant ocean]

heph hera momus? you mean hammer?

[thin lantern]

oh, right, eos torches are actually quite safe to use is the thing - it works fine without omega attacking, especially due to the enormous increase of up to 80% over time, so you still get bigger increases on just spam

[civic ocean]

No I mean Hephastus keepsake Hera keepsake Momus

[distant ocean]

oh, okay got you, so antler as soon as you fields is the play? lol

what's the point of hera tho?

[thin lantern]

hitch?

hitch only grows in value the more EHP enemy groups have tbh

[civic ocean]

You will never do enough damage without Spiteful Strength I'm certain

[thin lantern]

oh, right, I will say, my eos torch run had a decent rarity hera attack or something. so the crowd control ability on that specific run was through the roof

[distant ocean]

interesting

[thin lantern]

hitch on the eos attack is actually BiS in my opinion, above aphrodite, because it turns your bubbles into a stream of 'permanently link together and kill everything in the room'

[runic ocean]

hitch can get crazy with aoe

[thin lantern]

kinda changes up their damage potential by a lot

[runic ocean]

since like, quadratic-ish scaling

[thin lantern]

yeah hitch is absolutely bonkers with any aoe or piercing whatsoever.

hitch sprint is useless on torch, sadly (considering it's one of my favorite sprints now, but it's PURE sprint, unlike apollo and hestia)

[distant ocean]

I suppose with a hera focus coarse grit does become a possibility : )

[thin lantern]

but on the attack, you're doing numbers

if you're running heph hera and aiming for spiteful, you'll PROBABLY stack enough earth to get a god run.

[distant ocean]

so everything rides on getting a duo for your special boon...

in addition to getting nothing but NPCs and shops on the way through erebus lol

[thin lantern]

duo for special damage, earth passives because they all help you just not die

the RNG would be staggeringly harsh. cutting tight deadline by 1 would be enough to make a run feasible though

[civic ocean]

Heph attack + Mint Condition + proper upbringing + Heph infusion + Uncommon Grace + Spiteful Strength

That's probably enough to get Momus over the line

[thin lantern]

Actually. I have a serious question here. What's harder? 50 fear no arcana, or 54 fear desperation 2?

because I think that extra two minutes per biome snowballs hard

I have a sneaking suspicion that 54 fear desp2 might actually be slightly easier due to how insane five minutes is.

seven you could probably rely on momus hard carry

[bleak night]

Desp3 is 3 fear, so that'd be 52. But, I can see the extra two minutes per biome being very helpful

[distant ocean]

an infusion too, the RNG required for the god run lol

[civic ocean]

Five is only really hard in Erebus I feel

[thin lantern]

ah right, I forgot how the numbers worked. yeah, 52

[distant ocean]

Even mint condition and trusty shield are kinda rare heph grabs or atleast they feel that way

[thin lantern]

I think 52 may be easier than 50 then.

[civic ocean]

Its easier because you delete your own boons but its tricky yep

[thin lantern]

or at least worthy of a coin toss on it

inb4 you get mint condition AND trusty shield simultaneously. kekw

[civic ocean]

You dont need trusty shield

[thin lantern]

have a nice reset

[distant ocean]

yeah vow of forsaking does make it easier, but if you're banking on getting all of those npcs is there even room w/ artificer and rerolls to get all the major finds you need

[thin lantern]

actually. hm. come to think of it, they do the same thing, functionally.

artificer? you're on 0 arcana if you're doing 55

[civic ocean]

If you get mint condition and the infusion at the same time you're probably okay, you just need Spiteful Strength

[thin lantern]

you have no rerolls, no death defiance, no healing, no time slow...

[distant ocean]

yeah i suppose if you're good at bosses you don't need trusty shield

mint condition is all that's really needed to establish a good foothold in every encounter.

[topaz peak]

hera's regen boon is so OP

[civic ocean]

You don't get trusty shield because you don't get hit

[thin lantern]

actually. is it even possible to do 40% speed hitless

like can a human do that on all the bosses 🤔

[topaz peak]

the goat of my run

[civic ocean]

Yes it is possible for Chronos to give you that rotation

[distant ocean]

@civic ocean but as an insurance policy, safety strats?

[thin lantern]

maaaybe downstairs, I honestly doubt upstairs would be possible due to eris

unless eris gets nerfed when the next biome is out. did they make the midbosses harder while the next biome was cooking in Hades 1 early access?

[civic ocean]

You probably don't have space for it but maybe? Like you lose a boon every biome

[distant ocean]

fair

[pine pier]

I got an axe build stacking Executioner's Chop + Hell Splitter + Heroic Flutter Strike. The result was an axe swing that hit twice for upwards of 2k. And then I grabbed extra dose. I took out the final boss in less than 15 swings and don't know the fight because of it (I'm going to die the next time I get there lol).

[distant ocean]

it's a huge oppurtunity cost

[thin lantern]

I just realized now that bitterness is literally just the pool of purging heat but frontloaded and choiceless

[civic ocean]

Also you need to get insane rng off of chaos

Probably special and all element

[distant ocean]

i don't think i've ever experienced insane chaos rng

[thin lantern]

I have. Got a couple runs with epic [damage of my main attack type] or gigantic magick regen on a caster build

[bleak night]

I've had Chaos give me 3 Earth, Fire, Water and Air when I was close to Chronos, then I found Coarse Grit from the Demeter being sold by Charon

[thin lantern]

I think my first win involved getting epic special on momus lmao

[bleak night]

It was so funny to me, basically a gifted win

[civic ocean]

Its possible you have to just start antler and hit heph and hera on your own

[thin lantern]

incidentally, if they nerf/rework momus, are high fears mostly dead?

or is it just going to be pan blades meta or something

[civic ocean]

Anything that has a high base power combined with antler probably?

[thin lantern]

I just have gigadoubt that momus is staying beyond the first or second major update.

[distant ocean]

busted @civic ocean what would the chaos elemental boon be for? wouldn't you have enough for upbringing already?

[civic ocean]

So hermes gives you his infusion for 20% dmg

[distant ocean]

ah ye, good guy hermes

[civic ocean]

If momus is nerfed it'd be whatever has the highest base power

[timber fractal]

how do i find the cat familiar? or is it a fox?

[distant ocean]

in this current situation and as far as I know which isn't everything mind you, probably dead if momus and daggers both die

[civic ocean]

Probably still momus

[distant ocean]

but torch special would probably pick up the pieces... maybe with demeter or something idk

[thin lantern]

she's a kitty. do you have frinos? if so, then she'll randomly appear at the docks upstairs, just keep running and you'll eventually find her or something

[thin lantern]

inb4 someone does it with eos dashspam after SGG buffs the dash next update

[distant ocean]

lolol

[thin lantern]

oh right. dash buffs confirmed, so... yeah, torches indirect buff

[civic ocean]

Are they just taking the startup time off of the dash?

[distant ocean]

just increaes the lasting time on eos bullets so you can just run around with them following you at high sprint speed

[civic ocean]

It's gonna be so hard to get used to that after retraining myself

[hollow crypt]

how do I unlock familiars? I've beaten Chronos 4-5 times, Eris twice, still haven't gotten the talk from Hecate

[thin lantern]

they have said absolutely nothing about specifics, only that they're changing things

[thin lantern]

honestly? I wish. that'd be busted as hell, but I would love the nonsensical lightcycle build with apollo.

[civic ocean]

Play more I think it just kinda comes up

[distant ocean]

I welcome change for the better : )

[split igloo]

There's such a huge difference between the infusion boons like air infusion is so bad while earth infusion is run winning

[hollow crypt]

am I just getting dialogue-queue locked or something

[civic ocean]

The air infusion is broken with Scorch

[thin lantern]

hmmmmmmst. uh. that's still a mystery. try switching to and using the tablet and the shovel a few times, switching around weapons a few times, when going to Hecate's fight.

[distant ocean]

i don't like that only a couple weapons are really competitive, but I like that some people like the not so competitive weapons, like Felis and Eos, no offense

[timber fractal]

so i gotta go to the docks past the cyclops?

[thin lantern]

yee

[split igloo]

That's true but then ud need to build for air while getting fire buffs

[thin lantern]

the problem is that those 'competitive' weapons are actually ridiculously overtuned for most of the game, so something is out of whack

[distant ocean]

yeah, there should be greater progressions maybe

[thin lantern]

there's a gigantic chimney in terms of weapon dps that's shaped exactly like momus and pan, not a ceiling

[civic ocean]

You do and you don't - you only need one spammable move to have scorch, and Chaos, Hermes, Narcissus, and Artemis all give Air

[distant ocean]

yeah, I smell smoke

[woeful frigate]

is charon keepsake start worth the opportunity cost? 🤔

[thin lantern]

that means either everything else is slightly undertuned OR those two are overpowered as hell OR both, and my vote is both, in fact

[hollow crypt]

Zeus has a few good Air stuff too iirc

[civic ocean]

Zeus is all air

[distant ocean]

I'ma say both, too, tbh lol

[hollow crypt]

all of it? then get Zeus in the pool

[civic ocean]

You uhh

Need Zeus for Air Quality

[hollow crypt]

...I must say I didn't really notice Infusions were locked to specific deities

[thin lantern]

lmao yeah they are. that's why demeter is broken

[distant ocean]

demeter's a gd queen :T

[civic ocean]

Why is demeter broken

[thin lantern]

coarse grit: exists, and is demeter exclusive

[civic ocean]

Why is coarse grit good

[distant ocean]

imo freeze and cyclone on cast is powerful

[thin lantern]

also she has two curses on her own lmao

[bleak night]

It's been my clutch vs Chronos

taking 15 damage instead of 80 in one hit is kind of godsent

[thin lantern]

I don't know about max fear, but coarse grit is the strongest boon in the game for normal play

[split igloo]

Coarse grit is best infusion

[thin lantern]

and normal highfear, not 50/52/55

[distant ocean]

maybe not high fear powerful but ye

[bleak night]

I've used it in 43 Fear, idk if that's considered high

[split igloo]

High fear very good since again chronos n other enemies deal like 60% more dmg

[thin lantern]

high fear excellent, max fear too expensive.

[hollow crypt]

I've never focused on getting Dem, the 2 times I got Coarse Grit it didn't activate in time lol

[distant ocean]

the problem is that you're very limited on what you can bring so you have to be very selective about what you need.

[bleak night]

Dem requires you to spam Hera is all

[distant ocean]

and mint condition is pretty much the only defensive that's required for fast runs.

run's probably dead if you take longer to clear a room than mint anyways

[civic ocean]

I feel like I would prefer killing them faster and just not getting hit, in theory. Also Demeter has a very hard time getting to CG on her own - I think Hera Dem is good on Axe but I don't think Coarse Grit is way way better than like Air Quality if you're building around it?

[distant ocean]

and even then if you could somehow get good enough to not need mint then you could potentially get rid of that but with revenants and more mobs and faster attacks I don't think that's ever happening

[bleak night]

It's very dependent, I suppose. I'm building only Coarse Grit to fight Chronos, the rest are kind of there to help me fight against the timer because the weapon isn't the fastest at clearing

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1239866347014328350/image.png?ex=66447b04&is=66432984&hm=175b0e1c87d90146c0cfcffb57596d0b1966257695b4825d5a09c641a2b353b0

[civic ocean]

Isn't that because you give everything 30% more hp

[bleak night]

That's fair, yeah.

also my weapon is kind of trash against blue hearts in general

[civic ocean]

Like maybe im wrong but I feel like you could push desp 5 if you just turned the hp to 0

[thin lantern]

goddammit. trying to get 16 fear eris and I keep getting heracles'd before I even have a build.

[civic ocean]

You kill everything 30%faster!

[thin lantern]

not with axe vs blue hearts I don't think

[civic ocean]

What's wrong with heracles hes great

Free room

[thin lantern]

not if you're bad at dodging harpies like I am

[bleak night]

free room in the sense of the timer not moving until the end, but I really kinda wish his room was more unique

[thin lantern]

I'm not on desp at all

[bleak night]

oh

[thin lantern]

I want the money, dammit

[wet nova]

The timer still moves when he’s finished killing and about to disappear takes his sweet time to go aswell

[distant ocean]

@thin lantern lol part of hte reason I even started complaining about eos is because I had to do 16 heat eris with it and it just went poorly... so I swapped to mel and just did specials on her through the pillars. B) excellent cheese.

[bleak night]

true that

[wet nova]

Just succumb to hestia sprint make your life easy

[brittle sleet]

What are the three prerequisites for Apollo legendary? I cant bring up the menu rn 😦

[distant ocean]

but admittedly I was trying to overshoot with my white antler setup cuz I didn't want to swap...

wish we had loadouts...

[civic ocean]

Pro tip if you're in a boon or hammer room with him, just wait a bit on the selection screen and he will do his yoga routine in the bg

[thin lantern]

he keeps stealing my goddamn money is why.

[wet nova]

Search links and there should be a excel spreadsheet with them in this chat

[distant ocean]

i dind't even get a hestia offered lol

[wet nova]

Wait he takes money???

[thin lantern]

well the run I was talking about with eos was my 16 fear eris, and that went buttery smooth

[wet nova]

I’ve never lost to him so I always assumed he just ignores you

[civic ocean]

Well, if he kills something instead of you he gets the money is what they mean

[thin lantern]

no, I mean, if you lose he just walks away with more of the cash generated and I WANT that gold

[distant ocean]

heracles also wastes a lot of time...

[wet nova]

Oh is that it, never even realised that gold thing was actual gold thought it was just some sort of counter😭

[distant ocean]

high heat surface runs are going to be literal hell..

[wet nova]

Heracles and Icarus fr, Artemis I usually don’t mind cos she doesn’t go deep into the run

[thin lantern]

heracles wastes 0 clock time, but he's bad for speedruns.

[civic ocean]

I run 10 timer so Heracles is break time - sprint around in circles and dont get hit

[bleak night]

Heracles is funny against enemies with blue hearts. They confuse him so much

[distant ocean]

that's fair enough, as long as it's not killing the run, but like just imagining 50 heat with a bunch of armored spear dudes...

in a tiny heracles room with fire barrels everywhere, get me out.

[civic ocean]

I mean yeah you should probably also kill them and like cast them for him and stuff

The real enemy of high heat runs are the bats

[rugged portal]

You talking about heracles?

[civic ocean]

Pause the clock you moronic flying marsupials I am trying to plan my run

[distant ocean]

those little charging fricks? the turn on a dime barrel tossers are pretty bad too tho

[civic ocean]

No the caged bats

[distant ocean]

caged bats?

[civic ocean]

They are the enemy

Why present me a map if you will not pause the timer

[thin lantern]

ugh, I actually hate this RNG seed. my secondary gods roll terrible (hestia on skulls? seriously?) and heracles always lands on the daedalus

[distant ocean]

Oh right! lol

[civic ocean]

I think Hestia might be BIS for Persephone, not sure

[distant ocean]

I don't get why the timer doesn't pause on the city overview map, so bad lol

[thin lantern]

Why?

[civic ocean]

I think Persephone is a Cast build and Air Quality plus scorching omega special does absurd damage to bosses

[thin lantern]

persephone is an omega attack/special build

[bleak night]

that aspect needs a buff in Glory gauge increase rate

else it just feels like Mel Skull with more damage to Special

[distant ocean]

if I could purely stay in fun mode that'd be swell.

[thin lantern]

yeah the glory gauge is bugged

[civic ocean]

I mean with Air quality active the max glory special does something like, what, 500 scorch?

That's 15k in one move

[thin lantern]

wait, what does air quality do for scorch, anyway? isn't the dps of scorch 40

[civic ocean]

Scorch deals its damage in ticks of 1

[thin lantern]

or does it do that in smaller ticks that get bumped, because if so, that might actually make scorch usable, wow

ah.

yeah, air quality seems like the only way scorch is at all viable in this current game state.

[zenith bolt]

i cant imagine scorch getting a 30x dps buff from air quality is intentional, if that's actually how it works

[civic ocean]

I tested it and a rare level 2 hestia cast was taking the satyrs in tartarus from full hp to 0

[thin lantern]

it's ok zeus balances it out by having a useless legendary

[civic ocean]

Which is abkut 1.2k hp? 40 scorchx30?

[thin lantern]

on another note, it seems Hitch on persephone might be the one OTHER way to charge glory fast besides air quality hestia

[wet nova]

Wait does scorch work with air quality confirmed?

[thin lantern]

my bar is 1/3 filled in the second room of upstairs with a hera attack, neat

[civic ocean]

It appears to get some sort of noticeable buff in damage

[wet nova]

Hmm maybe then it does chunks of damage like every 0.2s etc

Which would still buff it quite a lot, but damn unexpected

[snow rover]

am i missing something with aspects? almost all of them seem pretty bad, idek which one i want to spend my first nightmares on

[hollow crypt]

how good is the Artificer Arcana?

I can't really tell just from reading it

[civic ocean]

Insanely specific and not that good for its cost but will be really good on some builds

Basically Artificer frontloads Erebus and makes you really strong in it really quickly

(Sometimes)

[thin lantern]

augh, why do I keep losing two DDs in ephyra on this skull

[civic ocean]

I think compared to hades 1 you should lose a DD or two in the early biomes

[thin lantern]

Heracles keeps blocking my shots, too, and KSing

[bleak night]

he needs the gold for his 12 labors

[thin lantern]

screw him, I want that gold

[bleak night]

which, according to Hera, are still happening at present at the game's timeline

[distant ocean]

https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExNmI3NXRjaG4zNGx4NW9kanpscHh2dGJ4a2tsazU1aHc2YW5jeG92dyZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/xbaucD1gEkpVQa8vge/giphy-downsized-large.gif buff dagger melee p please

[jovial terrace]

ah yes 528 crit = pls buff

[thin lantern]

I miss my torches now, trying to play Persephone on this run

[distant ocean]

but momus crits for 210s way faster ;_;

[rare brook]

What do I need to do to unlock boon codex so that I can see ingame what do I need to get this and that?

[thin lantern]

this seed is also utterly cursed, like... hera refuses to give me a special boon, only an attack one

[zenith bolt]

momus is not an appropriate baseline for weapons

[rare brook]

Also I do seem to miss few keepsakes and not sure how to get them

[jovial terrace]

incantation

[distant ocean]

what is the baseline

[zenith bolt]

idk but "best aspect in the game" isnt it

[jovial terrace]

which ones

[rare brook]

Hmm... but I haven't got incantation for this

[distant ocean]

lol, fair enough

[jovial terrace]

it'll come by sooner or later

[turbid dirge]

which aspect would you guys say is best for the two wands? it's the only weapon i'm yet to clear with

[thin lantern]

eos

[distant ocean]

haters will say eos

[thin lantern]

oh come on. now you're just being spiteful

[distant ocean]

lololol i'm being playful

[turbid dirge]

ohh okay, thanks.. where does one find the D-Wood to make it?

[zenith bolt]

mel aspect fans when they cant stagger a tiny fish in oceanus

[rare brook]

Don't remember exactly (I'm at work atm), but they are on second line, where there are gods keepsakes I believe and I do think I got all gods

[thin lantern]

kek

[distant ocean]

so true : )

[civic ocean]

I haven't yet delved into torches but I suspect that Aspect of Melinoe is much better than I've read people say about it, it is incredibly efficient and it feels to me like the best Hammer boons for the Torches are around the Omega Special.

[thin lantern]

just hitch the fish though, they'll all die

[zenith bolt]

let me find my torch clip again

[distant ocean]

demeter on mel torches is pretty fun tho ngl

[jovial terrace]

dm'd you the list

[distant ocean]

demeter solves the control problem

[thin lantern]

for the mel torches, special seems like hera or pos would be BIS tbh

[vocal echo]

Omega special seems to me like the only worthwhile thing about the umbral torches

[zenith bolt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/362939825000677377/1239507731891879988/cooking_with_torches.mp4?ex=66447e88&is=66432d08&hm=e36f067788fec1eba2957e4ab15e8f5850c245acf1540aa3103f30fb6d036a59& haters will say its fake

[thin lantern]

or demeter I guess, sure

[turbid dirge]

thanks for the responses, appreciate you all

[thin lantern]

now THAT'S a torch clip

[bleak night]

I thought you didn't like Torches lol

[zenith bolt]

i said i didnt like them more than axe or blades lol

[bleak night]

ah, fair

[thin lantern]

that's how eos works if you have some degree of skill (unlike me)

[zenith bolt]

i never said i didnt have a way to make them work

[distant ocean]

absolutely fake, eos can't do that, eos can't kill sirens in 44 seconds lol

[split igloo]

What oaths for 32 fears are u guys running

[zenith bolt]

uh lemme see what i had for 32 on momussy

[thin lantern]

hera truly is the queen for eos torches, lmao. her magick boon and attack specifically

[lone frigate]

If I use the upgrade from the Poseidon ring, can I change ring later in the run for a different effect?

[civic ocean]

Yes

[lone frigate]

Okay nice, didn't really touch that until now

[civic ocean]

Once you unlock the keepsake case I think?

[zenith bolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1233146305308528650/1239800596618281040/20240513233429_1.jpg?ex=66443dc8&is=6642ec48&hm=fd8a9d77b64eb60aafac1b60a52632368ebed4f3c49ecc790f00c6b9eae5c16e& momus fears i took for 32

[split igloo]

Thank u sm

[distant root]

super sad that thanatos axe is bugged when you use hammers on it

[thin lantern]

btw, is Poseidon good for the Persephone special?

[vocal echo]

Yeah

[zenith bolt]

doesnt it only hit like twice

[civic ocean]

Once

[vocal echo]

No, wait, I'm not sure

[zenith bolt]

unless you have glory up i guess but thats not consistent

[thin lantern]

omega special does that wave thing always, just not for as long.

[civic ocean]

Isn't that how ur supposed to play that aspect

[zenith bolt]

idk i just spam omega special on it

[civic ocean]

You just save the glory to kaboom a boss

[brittle prairie]

you're supposed to but its bettervto just spam its buffed Omega Special anyways

[civic ocean]

Why not the other two moega moves

[zenith bolt]

or you can just forget ur playing skull and go omega cast build instead

[civic ocean]

I think you're meant to right

[brittle prairie]

I believe Persephobe prefers Aphrodite

[brittle prairie]

Omega attack is much worse, cast is good tho

[supple heart]

do folks take stock in the rings that give you specific god boons? I have been using them but wondering whether its worth it in comparison to other ones

[zenith bolt]

idfk what you even do on skull and i still beat 20 fear on it so ?? it works

[thin lantern]

Aphro on special? But you move away so fast.

[thin lantern]

Omega attack is fun and pretty strong though.

[brittle prairie]

it almost apways hits full damage

[zenith bolt]

god -> god -> hammer -> revive is my general pick

[thin lantern]

ohai twisting crash I guess

[zenith bolt]

usually i have a couple gods in mind that i want for each wep

[civic ocean]

I think Knives I'm probably taking the mercury into tart more often? Idk

[zenith bolt]

pov: eos without born gain

[jovial terrace]

never got around to using hammer tbh, usually go onion on #2/3

[zenith bolt]

i should probably use tooth less, i just take it for placebo atp

[bleak night]

About to spam some 0 Fear boonless runs with max rerolls to see if Chronos has dialogue

[zenith bolt]

i dont even end up using it a lot of the time

[thin lantern]

you know what GENUINELY kinda sucks? playing skull and constantly confusing the small enemy skulls for your ammo, and taking damage.

[jovial terrace]

has dialogue based on what god you focus on that particular run

he gets a lil pissy about zeus iirc

[bleak night]

What if I have none

[zenith bolt]

you know what GENUINELY kinda sucks?
[...] enemy skulls [...]
ftfy

[bleak night]

I wonder, I'll give it a try and see

[thin lantern]

you can make that work with clean candle, but otherwise, ree

[jovial terrace]

no show, or he just has a lil dialogue sayin "haha you blow, my minions go brrr"

[bleak night]

Oh, you've gotten to him with no god boons ?

[zenith bolt]

teleporting skulls in tartarus will be the reason i go insane

[lone frigate]

I still hesitate between reroll arcana and rarity arcana, if I want to keep survivability cards
Do you try to take both usually?

[jovial terrace]

the pain i was in when doing this was immense but yes

[lone frigate]

With like 26 graps

[bleak night]

Saves me time then, ty lol

[distant ocean]

das alotta grapes

[jovial terrace]

maybe he has another line, but tbh i was zooming through it since i find his voice annoying 💀

thats just how good the voice actor is ig cuz man he makes me despise chronos

[thin lantern]

and the duck said, got any grasp?

[civic ocean]

It really depends what you want to do

[distant ocean]

yes but I need them, I'm 200 and 1 dark away from 30

[civic ocean]

I haven't enjoyed rarity arcana though 5 is expensive

[zenith bolt]

chronos va is great, definitely fits the "pain in the ass old man" thing he's got going on

[jovial terrace]

FR

[civic ocean]

sighs "my girl, would you please die"

[zenith bolt]

"catch, granddaughter!"

[distant ocean]

i'm starting to come around with chronos' voice :T

[lone frigate]

He is so sassy

[distant ocean]

at first it seemed too.. hmmnyess,nyehhh. if that makes esnse.

[zenith bolt]

"helloooooo, reinforcements??"

[distant ocean]

Lol

[civic ocean]

It's weird atm because we don't get to see his plan unfold or anything

So once you pound him for the fifth time its like

Yeah idk not v threatened anymore grandpa

[thin lantern]

pounding chronos, huh

didn't know you were that much into gilfs

[civic ocean]

When I show up with the Antler he knows he's in for a bad time

[lone frigate]

Tho Chronos did like two game breaking glitches against me
Gotta respect the power of time

[zenith bolt]

melinoe on that daily grandpa killing grind

wake up chronos i need more sand

[civic ocean]

I wonder how they're gonna write it

[zenith bolt]

probably need the context of surface being done first

[thin lantern]

augh, ate all my damn death defiances off just normal ephyra mobs

[civic ocean]

Yeah. The main thing im thinking about is that Hades 1 ended up turning amicable by the end between Zag and Hades

[thin lantern]

69 runs done, but it isn't nice

[zenith bolt]

[zenith bolt]

i doubt they're gonna be buddy-buddy with chronos at the end

[civic ocean]

But I somehow do not think Chronos is going to be hootin and hollering with Hades and Mel in the postgame

[severe ether]

Can someone share the 32 fear oaths they used for first time? Probably gonna go With ol Momus

[zenith bolt]

my guess for post-epilogue game loop is gonna be like a memory or rift in time or some other otherwordly force that lets us relive the events

[zenith bolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1233146305308528650/1239800596618281040/20240513233429_1.jpg?ex=66443dc8&is=6642ec48&hm=fd8a9d77b64eb60aafac1b60a52632368ebed4f3c49ecc790f00c6b9eae5c16e&

[civic ocean]

Or it's a sad ending and Mel actually has to go and do it every night and Hades can never leave

[zenith bolt]

that just seems unsatisfactory

especially when we already know mel has a way to kill him for good

[civic ocean]

Allegedly

[reef agate]

What is the flowery aura on top of player in this clip?

[zenith bolt]

X - The Lovers barrier

resist the first 1/2/3 hits during boss fights

[thin lantern]

also the Handsome Squidwards really need their AOE nerfed

[reef agate]

Ah i see, dont have it unlocked yet so havent seen it has such visual effect

[zenith bolt]

(what's funny is it's the same visual and functional effect as the acorn from hades 1)

[civic ocean]

There's a lot of reused sfx and images

Heph is just the hammer again

[wet nova]

which isnt a bad thing, nostalgia if anything

[zenith bolt]

i mean for the lovers i think its fine to use the same vfx

esp since it's the exact same function

[supple heart]

it is also early access so they might be placeholders for updates later

[thin lantern]

Why does the Ephyra miniboss have SO MUCH stagger resist?

[meager wadi]

whats best boons for charon axe?

[jovial terrace]

apollo cast, that is all

[supple heart]

is apollo cast particularly strong then?

[thin lantern]

the strongest, unless you count apollo/zeus duo

[jovial terrace]

personally i find aphro cast to be the most viable especially if you have the hestia/zeus support cast

[supple heart]

Ive had the most success with the twin flame weapon with zeus for max zappy, but haven't looked too much into apollo yet

[white steppe]

can bridal glow degrade your boons past their starting point?

[upper venture]

is it possible to get selene boons in tartarus?

havent gotten yet so was just wondering

[bleak night]

Haven't seen any down there, come to think of it

[upper venture]

makes sense that moonlight cant reach the literal bottom, but just wanna max out all those upgrades once xd

[thin lantern]

How the HELL do I keep getting my death defiances eaten by these damn eye-throwing blue enemies

I am three DDs down because things keep killing me through attacks that should stagger them.

[upper venture]

hmm which ones are those, the fat dudes in oceanus?

[bleak night]

probably the ones in Ephyra

[thin lantern]

Yeah, the Ephyra enemies.

The Satyr Champion is just as bad, keeps hyper armoring

this will be the first run I lose to common enemies in a long time, I think

[wet nova]

tip is take it close to the pylon and most of its shield will disappear, also isnt that cos of itsshield?

[thin lantern]

it has a crossbow, not a shield

[wet nova]

it says blocked when I hit it

[thin lantern]

the tracking is nastier than Eris, legit harder imo

[wet nova]

pretty sure it has some sort of armor at the front because ive hit it with pan one time and it said blocked

[thin lantern]

ugh. no way I'm getting to Eris like this.

I only have cat defiance and skelly tooth now.

[limpid hinge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TDBAhwNFGU had this fckn stupid op sister blades run

[thin lantern]

I do find it very funny that you can just get stuck on Polyphemus for the entire Persephone special.

[hollow crypt]

I was going to equip Evil Eye for Chronos... then I realised it reads "Root-Stalker"

[zenith bolt]

evil eye caught you lacking

[hollow crypt]

I got spike spitted mid animation on the axe and died before I finished the animation lol

[zenith bolt]

i really wish root stalker had a cap on turn speed

you basically cant hit it for 2/3 of the fight bc its just spitting 3000 projectiles at u