h2-builds-and-combat

[thin lantern]

I'm always at 4:30 by the time I'm past the city part

[civic ocean]

Flames are goated for speed just let them hit you

[zenith bolt]

my complaints exactly

[thin lantern]

hm? what aspect

[zenith bolt]

theres 0 counterplay to it because it just is hitscan stun

[civic ocean]

mel

[earnest nacelle]

The counterplay is to take heavy metal

[zenith bolt]

[rich shard]

Whats the second best weapon/aspect besides the Axe? I kinda want faster fighting again lol

[zenith bolt]

i mean i'd argue momus staff is better than axe so

axe is my baby but im not gonna try to argue momus isnt stronger

[solid shore]

What axe aspect?

[thin lantern]

momus is simultaneously the best and worst

the best because it's OP, the worst because it's mindlessly boring. that's a funny way to spell 'eos' though

[rich shard]

Just the axe in general lol

[tired fulcrum]

Ephyra has 3 skips possible with medea, artemis, and heracles. Also some rooms are just faster. Alternatively just momus

[thin lantern]

blud's running mel torches, my least favorite torches

[rich shard]

Really? Ive never heard mention of it being good p.o

I do like the staff so ill see if i can get it

[signal robin]

Smolder ring is godly

[thin lantern]

because people don't know how to use eos :p

[zenith bolt]

momus + poseidon special spam is like the most zzz method to clear 20 fear on it with ease

[plush beacon]

I’m stumped at what vows to take for higher fear runs

[rich shard]

Could you explain?

[zenith bolt]

revenants are fine to take on every weapon except axe i think

[tall notch]

How'd you guys rework Momus to actually make it a fun aspect?

[earnest nacelle]

It's fun to me

[zenith bolt]

without tossing out the passive? i cant think of a way

[thin lantern]

oh. it does giga stupid big damage if you know how to abuse the fact that you can shoot uninterrupted while dashing.
spoiler: hera magick boon, that's it, you win (or poseidon magick boon as a second)

[tired fulcrum]

Idk its just inherently so generic

[civic ocean]

Mel torches seem pretty stupid to me, just press omega special twice and then run around in circles and everything dies

[zenith bolt]

like if you just changed the passive to like make omega special do 30 billion damage instead of regular special then maybe it'd be more interesting

[tired fulcrum]

Most of the aspects are super boring ngl

[earnest nacelle]

Then u'd just take hera gain and spam omega special

[zenith bolt]

regardless, momus is still dumb fun to me, and that's fun in any case

[earnest nacelle]

Not much different than spam special

[plush beacon]

Yeah most Aspects aren’t as game changing as the aspects for the Infernal Arms

[thin lantern]

I love getting the Oceanus fishes in Nemesis rooms. It's like a free dub

[rich shard]

Would it be enough to defeat chronos when my 5 attempts with the axe have failed

[tall notch]

Circe staff's intended playstyle is really fun but it's also criminally undertuned

[zenith bolt]

well we also dont have the 4th aspects on any of the weapons, which will probably be a further cry from their base forms than the ones we have

[tired fulcrum]

Torches are either spam omega attack, spam special, or spam omega special, there isnt really any in between is there

[zenith bolt]

circe is sadly the worst aspect in the game, so sad

[thin lantern]

goddammit, nem stole my shop as revenge

[queen charm]

Moros is spam the omega special and the attack

[zenith bolt]

nem stole my mf echo earlier i was unbelivably mad

[earnest nacelle]

Other than skulls, most of the other weapon wants to spam 1 type of thing

[thin lantern]

poseidon's HAHAHA YES is still the funniest

[plush beacon]

Nem stealing doors is going to absolutely ruin runs

[queen charm]

tbh? I think I like Moros more than the skulls

[earnest nacelle]

Just be faster smh

[zenith bolt]

my rage was palpable dude https://i.imgur.com/2TWalGy.jpeg

[tired fulcrum]

You can outrun nem for doors pretty easily

But she can steal stuff from shop while youre still in a boon menu

[broken crag]

nem tried stealing my door once, i ran in front of her and she turned around and went through the other door, was very funny

[zenith bolt]

nem is like thanatos but if thanatos was an ass

oh cool ass isnt censored

[tall notch]

Nem is precious 🥺

[thin lantern]

thanatass

[zenith bolt]

https://i.imgur.com/xsghOVE.png she can be both

[earnest nacelle]

Mel can be dense sometimes

[strange kite]

okay ive completed every single incantation EXCEPT i still dont have the one that lets me pause on kronos. what do i need to do to get that one?

[zenith bolt]

try pausing on him like 4-5 times

[thin lantern]

enemies to lovers trope.gif

[hollow jacinth]

I only needed to attempt to pause the fight once for it to show up for me

[zenith bolt]

its a good trope

[silver oriole]

do you have recs for starting boon for pan?

[zenith bolt]

poseidon special

[rich shard]

I looked it up and all it does is restore hp?

[thin lantern]

poseidon?

[zenith bolt]

the passive effect is that it adds 30 power to your special which is the main benefit

[silver oriole]

makes sense thought so
RIP zeus lol

[tired fulcrum]

It gives +30 base power to your special

[thin lantern]

literally just the flat power boost to special, spammerino supreme

[rich shard]

Ohh

[zenith bolt]

my face when like quadrupled special damage

[glossy quail]

what's the current best build ?

[zenith bolt]

they could nerf momus' boost to like half and it would still be like top 3 aspects

[tired fulcrum]

On an attack that you can spam like 6 times a second with the double special hammer

[rich shard]

Ok yeah after this trial I need to get that

[glossy quail]

I just downloaded the game

any good beginner's build ?

[zenith bolt]

hard to make builds when you have no means of forcing anything

[rich shard]

You wont have much after just downloading

[thin lantern]

it'd still be boring

[rich shard]

Just play and have fun

[silver oriole]

actually
does static shock work with pan special?

[zenith bolt]

i never said anything about making it interesting

[glossy quail]

I'm talking about which boons should i pick

[zenith bolt]

probably? though poseidon special is more bang for your buck there

[tired fulcrum]

Is that zeus prime? Yeah it does

[tall notch]

I think so

[silver oriole]

oh so i could do that + poseidon special
sounds strong

[hollow jacinth]

the aspects in this game are kinda weird. Half of them are really fun like the torch aspects and Pan for the daggers

[forest veldt]

if i started over id probally try to get apollo keepsake and use to force his cast. if u can also luck into zeus and get their duo boon ur set. flexbile w/ any weapon which is nice

[hollow jacinth]

and on the other hand you have stuff like Momus and Charon

[strange kite]

uh just pick whatever looks interesting. the game soft gatekeeps you from clearing night 1-10 anyways. but if u want an recommendation i would say apollo is great at the start and the apollo cast that damages afte expiration is quite good for a new file i think

[zenith bolt]

charon is legit ??? for me bc i just dont lean into casts that hard

like ill take zeus or apollo omega if they show up but im not actively seeking those things out

[queen charm]

Charon is my favorite aspect I think

[thin lantern]

Narcissus' 'private reserve' is kind of awesome.

[hollow jacinth]

I've only done one run with it so far and it just felt very underwhelming

[tall notch]

You can try to get their duo too

[zenith bolt]

and also for axe i'd rather spend my nightmare on thanatos

[queen charm]

also Zeus omega doesnt work with Charon...at all; I tried

[hollow jacinth]

the extra 3 seconds for your cast feel more impactful than the explosion tbh

[zenith bolt]

i get the same vibe as i had with hades 1 where theres just some aspects i just dont understand enough and dont really want to play ever

eg hestia rail

[queen charm]

reason being is Charon's O-special consumes the ring, and Zeus's O-Cast needs the ring active to fire off bolts

[thin lantern]

f10 time

[zenith bolt]

does that synergize with apollo's then?

[tall notch]

Oi, Hestia rail was super fun

[thin lantern]

or feedback as oversight. also yeah it's busted on apollo

[zenith bolt]

i never said it was bad or not fun, just that i didn't really get it much

[queen charm]

yes, Apollo is ridiculous with Charon, even moreso with the Zeus/Apollo duo

[forest veldt]

it does, but doesn't rly save any time for cast to expire so prob worse than thanatos crit

[weak wave]

Has anyone tried any good status effect builds? I try to make the most of the arcana that gives you the extra damage similar to hades 1, but I haven't found any particular set of boons with an aspect for higher fear levels

[forest veldt]

zeus apollo only case where good i think since save cost

[zenith bolt]

i dont think theres really a good like dot curse that exists

[hollow jacinth]

are there any aspects I'm forgetting that can count as cast aspects like Hera, Poseideon etc. in Hades 1?

[zenith bolt]

scorch is really bad and alternatives arent really that much better, i guess there's like cyclone with air infusion

[hollow jacinth]

because the only aspect that comes to mind that directly effects your cast is Charon

[thin lantern]

steam exists

[dawn cape]

Aspect of Charon lets you place a cast and then detonate it with the axe special

[tall notch]

Demeter cast alone can give you two curses if you also get her cyclone secondary boon

[dawn cape]

It's a bit impractical but it has some absurd damage output if you can land it

[zenith bolt]

yea demeter is also potentially #3 of the gods for me just bc like weed killer is insane and her cast stuff is really nice and freeze is just overall a nice-to-have

[weak wave]

could pair well with apollos expanding cast

[tall notch]

Persephone skull boosts all omega damage, I'll call it cast aspect

[queen charm]

the cast radius is very large too with Charon/Apollo

extremely large

[zenith bolt]

the only issue i really have with demeter is just some of her utility is really underwhelming and her magick boon is completely useless

tranquil gain is the worst boon in the game 😭

[weak wave]

i've come to prefer born gain, or apollos gain boon

[strange kite]

demeter is best status effect. honestly any curse works. slip hitch weak daze are all good. even scorch on cast is fine as a way to get an extra curse plus ranged cast for some builds.

[jovial cove]

freeze is the goat

[strange kite]

demeter having both freeze and slow is so goated

[hollow jacinth]

it is so ass bruh. Even with no magick regen I'm hesitant to take it simply because it's so boring to use

[jovial cove]

demeter is the new athena

[strange kite]

tranquil gain is actually unuseable

[elder root]

Hi there! sorry to interrupt the conversation but I was wondering if anyone here has been using the aspect of Thanatos? I just tried it out with the hammer that sends your omega attack forward and realized only the first hit actually builds up your crit 🧍‍♂️ seems pretty silly by all means and now the run seems boof lmao

[zenith bolt]

it's not even that it's boring, it's that needing to stand still for mf 3+ seconds to regen my magick is just UGH

[strange kite]

yooo truee. demeter is the new athena fr fr

[queen charm]

detonating a cast at a distance is viable with Charon, so you can just set a cast, get far back then detonate it with the O-special

[willow knot]

Charon+ big chop + aphro epic + chaos attack.... I'm doing 300+ per attack + crits up to 1500..... who cares about practicality

[zenith bolt]

generally considered to be the axe aspect, yes it is bugged with psychic whirlwind and advancing whirlwind rn

[silver oriole]

damn i got an epic uncommon grace offer (20% dmg bonus) but born gain is also there and i need it to spam my knives
tragic

[weak wave]

yeah i use that a lot and i'm trying to get thru a fear 20 run with it, that hammer is bugged

[elder root]

man what, that sucks

[dawn cape]

What is the thanatos aspect bug exactly?

[zenith bolt]

psychic whirlwind and advancing whirlwind only give +crit from aspect on the first hit of spin

[elder root]

im literally doing a 20 fear run for this rn actually, I fear its done for lmao

[zenith bolt]

instead of every hit, like it should

advancing whirlwind is just trashy overall

[slate zodiac]

Remind me what weed killer is?

I just like Demeter for her cast and nothing else. It's an Athena dash god for me

[hollow jacinth]

so I was only here for Hades 1 EA after the steam launch, and my memory of the patch cycle for that game was a bit foggy. What are the chances we'll get any substantial patches before the first major patch a few months from now? To fix bugs and make minor balance changes and whatnot

[unique tundra]

me barely getting past the 2nd boss and wondering why builds even matter atp

[weak wave]

yeah and it really sucks cuz psychic whirlwind, and the one that makes you faster while spinning would go crazy

[formal wyvern]

bruh I had Nemesis replace the standard Echo encounter, and she gave me a restore 1 death defiance item when I already had my maximum death defiance. Not sure if it's a bug or just something really annoying

[zenith bolt]

your omega attack costs +10 magick but hits much harder

[tall notch]

https://youtu.be/scSohXp0dgs?si=GEi_bR6GtPAtgO2T

[jovial cove]

advancing whirlwind got me my first chronos kill lol.

[slate zodiac]

Ah yeah, that one's great for omega attack builds

[zenith bolt]

i wonder if like weed killer persephone omega attack spam is real

[hollow jacinth]

She can also give you one in Erebus, which is really funny

[mystic sphinx]

I am getting my assed handed to me by Polythemus, Im going insane

[formal wyvern]

The rest of the restore death defiance stuff only shows up when you're missing at least one right? Im assuming its a bug, I did a report

[willow agate]

anyone teach me clearr 45 fear

[bleak night]

the cast also critting is a fun design choice

[bleak night]

what fear have you done so far btw, because 45 sounds kinda insane to do rn

[hollow jacinth]

I think it's less a bug and more of just a weird balancing decision. a death defiance is useful, but there will be plenty of times that you're full up even in the fields.

[formal wyvern]

the restore death defiance in the well of charon and the one from echo only shows up if you're missing them dont they?

[bleak night]

yep

and yet, Nemesis still finds that giving you death defiance restore charges at maximum is funny

[hollow jacinth]

even when being helpful she's gotta be a bit spiteful lol

[tall notch]

Cast Than is thematically fitting. He was using magic during the Hades 1 duel

[willow agate]

Done 43 fear, but 45 fear so hard, must pass 1 boss during 7'

[bleak night]

42 is my max, so I can't help you there lol

what weapon are you generally using ?

[queen charm]

I like what Im looking at

[primal hull]

Okay ya'll. having just lost a run I was happy I lucked into almost winning, I've resorted to spite. What's the strongest thing I can build to kick time's ass.

[bleak night]

Momus faceroll

[elder root]

oh, has anyone had an instance where they make it to the door just before Chronos but decided to shoot for the other door first, only to essentially get both at the same time?

[weak wave]

yeah it can be pretty annoying, one of my "complaints" is that you can get offers for stuff from hermes shrine that you can quite simply just not get because there's not enough encounters. just an odd design to choice, i kinda wish they would implent somethin that prevents stuff like that from being offered when its legit useless

[bleak night]

come again ?

[thin lantern]

I find it hilarious how Nem has the trade offer meme.

[elder root]

one sec lemme get a screenshot

[bleak night]

I smack you across the face for this Pom of Power, deal ?

[ionic lily]

Psychic whirlwind + advancing whirling is pseudo Ares-cast lol

[tall notch]

It's Guan Yu spin attack without the healing

[hollow jacinth]

she actually ended up being super useful for me one time. I took uncommon grace from Hera, but then took a common boon immediately after because I was dumb and forgot I had it. She appeared a few rooms later and offered to take it for 200 gold

[primal hull]

...I haven't even looked at that aspect, and if it's half as good as it looks on the face, completely worth it

[jovial cove]

If only Zag could see how well Mel can spin he'd be so proud

[ionic lily]

Oh yes that's a better comparison haha

[rich shard]

It only says +10 when I just looked at it

[thin lantern]

...I actually kind of like Advancing tbh

[bleak night]

it really is, yes.

[tired fulcrum]

You can upgrade aspects

[rich shard]

HUH HOW

[tall notch]

Nem once gave me a gift of 3 blue hearts. She's such a sweetheart sometimes fr

[jovial cove]

Momus staff is the best ranged weapon

[small wyvern]

sounds like a bug if im understanding correctly, you can press F10 to report it and any future bugs you encounter

[willow agate]

Staff 1 or 3bro

[bleak night]

oh, I see. Someone here did 50 Fear on Momus for that

[ionic lily]

Nem replacing echo is such a killjoy though, especially if you have a hammer prepped for the echo boon

[bleak night]

I only try to take Axe to 40+, so I'm having a generally awful time with it lol

[hollow jacinth]

also with the addition of the omega attacks mechanic, do you think we'll ever get a weapon/aspect/hammer/whatever with the "perfect release" mechanic like for the bow again?

[elder root]

cant send a screenshot but basically I chose to go for a Zeus boon instead of the final door, only to find the boon in Charons shop before Chronos. Any chance that's intentional? I thought you'd be met with an encounter normally

[hollow jacinth]

it feels like a Supergiant staple at this point since it's shown up in all of their games bar Transistor

[tall notch]

I think staff has a hammer like this for the special?

[elder root]

gotchu 👍

[willow agate]

clear shield enemies early so hard, they rush to me so fast

[bleak night]

Sounds like a bug in that case

[hollow jacinth]

oh I must've not encountered it then. Guess I'll be on the lookout

[zenith bolt]

yea it's like "your omega special gains a power shot, doing so restores 5 magick and does x more damage" or something

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah theres an perfect shot hammer for staff omega special

[thin lantern]

So there is EXACTLY ONE thing that makes Advancing Whirlwind kinda dope: You can cast the whirlwind while dodging away

[bleak night]

Psychic Whirlwind being bugged makes me not want to try for more 40+ heat runs on Axe

feels like a waste atm

[meager wadi]

besides momus what are the better aspects?

[thin lantern]

ugh rng, not giving me golden rule or beach

eos, eos, and eos
thanatos, pan, artemis for some, eos, moros if it weren't bugged, persephone, medea I think is decent?

[bleak night]

Thanatos is also bugged atm

[atomic ibex]

How does everyone use Moros Flames? Do you use the omega special and go into melee, or do you use it to set traps and make massive explosions?

What bugs do Thanatos and Moros have?

[hollow jacinth]

wait Moros is bugged?

[wind lake]

frying pan build

[meager wadi]

and all the melee builds best attack just aphro

like thantos, artemis weapons

[bleak night]

Thanatos' Omega Spin should, per hit, give you 1 stack of the crit passive, right ?

[wind lake]

i had a rare aprho boon do 280% damage right off the bat thanks to sacrifice, was nutty

[bleak night]

If you run Psychic or Advancing Whirlwind, the entire duration will give you one stack rather than per hit

[tall notch]

When I tried it the ghosts really liked getting stuck in weird places

[bleak night]

one stack entirely rather than, say 10

[thin lantern]

collision's boned in several ways yes

[tall notch]

Zeus cast stole all the crit stacks from advancing and psychic whirlwinds

[thin lantern]

moros has busted collision and any attack speed will make the attacks stack in a straight line, which is useless. also torch autoaim's 15 degrees to the left of your aim reticle, so it whizzes JUST past enemies harmlessly. that or it just goes through enemies when it shouldn't and stops on each other in weird ways. also if you have a ghost under your feet, you have zero travel speed on the attack lmao

[ionic lily]

The only way I've managed to get moros to work is to stack a few omega specials, then fire into the blender for continuous blasts, but it is very finicky

[thin lantern]

that does work and skips the bugs

[rich shard]

@tired fulcrum I asked you how

[signal robin]

what’s a good build for the axe?

[tired fulcrum]

Did you beat chronos yet

[thin lantern]

you can also long range snipe with attack and then go in for special. also the omega attack on moros does NOT have the collision bugs as much, only the one on enemies

[rich shard]

No, having a hard time with the axe and thats all ive been able to get that far with

[bleak night]

you... need a build for it?

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah you need to beat him first in order to upgrade momus

[rich shard]

Bruh I know???????

[bleak night]

huh ?

I'm just tryna be helpful lol

[thin lantern]

@bleak night incidentally, when they fix advancing and psychic, combining both may result in the goated build for than: use both, full charge, then dash to the side or backward while throwing. apollo or hera attack. profit

[rich shard]

Please word it better then, it sounded like you were making fun of me for dying @bleak night

[thin lantern]

or maybe even zeus attack? tbh

[bleak night]

that's just Guan Yu on steroids, isn't it ?

[thin lantern]

yes. it's literally just guan yu on crack at that point

[formal wyvern]

what are strategies that people have success with using the torches? I seem to end up just building around cast or selene burst

[atomic ibex]

Except the axe spin is… good

[thin lantern]

advancing on its own is quite strong IF YOU REMEMBER to dodge sideways to throw it

[bleak night]

was Guan Yu's spin thing terrible? I just never used it so idk lol

[thin lantern]

it's like, the tech for advancing, you have to just not be where enemies are by the time they retaliate

guan yeet was actually quite strong.

[atomic ibex]

Mel Flames are great if you just spam the omega special and make a blender, but it’s a bit risky since you don’t stagger enemies

[bleak night]

We'll see when they eventually fix

for now though, the crit chance being stuck is a bit of a downer

[atomic ibex]

Other wise, you can use Eos and spam omega attack, use Poseidons or Hera Magick Gains to be able to not run out of Magick

[rich shard]

@bleak night

[thin lantern]

try this:
eos torches
hera gain
hera attack
some-kinda-curse on special or cast or both, or heph special or something for free damage
apollo, hestia, aphro, or MAYBE demeter sprint (the first three work even on the dash while attacking, demeter I haven't tested yet; but if you get a cyclone while dashing, you're in business
furious fire, clean candle, split, or any other attack hammers
absolutely run origination for your arcana, the dps skyrockets with this

literally hold left click/primary attack controller button, then dash skate through enemies back and forth like it's hades 1 and you're trying to bootleg the shield bullrush

[bleak night]

my bad, I suppose

[tired fulcrum]

They were trying to be funny like they were excited to share a build

[tired fulcrum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/912426025982505010/Hades_2021-11-22_11-33-02.mp4?ex=66426b74&is=664119f4&hm=f4a12c2e6acc5178b2bd94662de67bb70859cf4254b7ab918babf199ca997cb3& guan yu was funny tho

[thin lantern]

that eos setup will kill pretty much everything, btw. chronos has a blind spot behind him, eris has a GIANT blind spot behind her. enjoy.

[rich shard]

Without text tones thats not easy to read as that

[bleak night]

This actually looks really fun

[rich shard]

Especially when I already cant read tone over text easily

[tired fulcrum]

I miss hades 1 zeus

[thin lantern]

guanyeet is very very funny

[bleak night]

Need to prime 50 to even replicate

[tired fulcrum]

And splash dash

[bleak night]

so Sea Storm Guan Yu is the way to go ?

[atomic ibex]

Tbf Static Shock is great on any fast weapons

[thin lantern]

tbf if you run fluid gain that's basically free

[atomic ibex]

(Aka Momus)

[bleak night]

we're still in the early stages, we'll find something dumb eventually

[placid copper]

What are good boons for the axe? Are there any boons like in hades 1 that make you sturdy/invincible?

[tired fulcrum]

Well its slow especially at the beginning but its funny

[small wyvern]

i have played hades 1 for many many hours and never realized there could even BE that much visual noise on the screen

[bleak night]

depends on what you're going for

[thin lantern]

static shock is great on a trashcan lid

[bleak night]

The big smash chop or the beyblade

I've been opening myself up to the big chop a lot more recently

[placid copper]

Either spin or big chomp I think. The normal attack is just too slow

[thin lantern]

coarse grit, 6 earth infusion from demeter. enjoy being able to facetank chronos nuke

[bleak night]

Spin is the safest build to go with, imo. What do you usually run on Attack ?

[bleak night]

might be too early atm, what makes Coarse Grit easy to grab is the fact that I stack Hera, who has a ton of Earth boons

[thin lantern]

and I mean hard facetank...

[bleak night]

it's true enough, yeah

[placid copper]

Aphro for more close dmg. I'm still in early game

[thin lantern]

ah, but you can run hephaestus and demeter. that works fine. better with aphro as the third god and the shovel tho

[placid copper]

And idk the boons that well

[thin lantern]

aphro dem heph is a good early game way to stack up coarse grit and a ton of health imo

[bleak night]

if you're still in early game, I suggest Apollo instead of Aphro so you get hit a lot less, considering the AoE for it is massive and you don't have to constantly stick to your target and open yourself up to counterattacks

[mild burrow]

Hey, this might be in the wrong tab but I am just wondering is there some way I can use axe to shield without it charging up and using mana?

[bleak night]

additionally, Demeter on your Cast or your Special

[placid copper]

Demeter and aphro cast seem like the best rn to me

[thin lantern]

tap it

[bleak night]

tap instead of hold or hold and then let go before it fully charges, then drop it and hold again

[placid copper]

But i might be wrong

[atomic ibex]

Zeus doesn’t seem bad for Thanatos spins, mathematically at least

[sly turret]

Tips for the skull?

[bleak night]

I personally prefer to tap the shield over and over

[thin lantern]

you can dash out of the shield, right

[mild burrow]

Sweet thank you two, I thought that may be the case

[bleak night]

Demeter preferable rn because it helps you with crown control in non-boss rooms

[thin lantern]

ah there's a delay. lame

[bleak night]

You press one button and it's an AoE stun (freeze) around you

so you can begin charging and spin, in which case Aphro Attack certainly does work

Felis, Hera-Demeter-Heph is a good core for Axe as well

spam Earth and get both Coarse Grit and Martial Art

[atomic ibex]

Martial Arts doesn’t affect omega unfortunately

[tired fulcrum]

Problem is the attack that applies blitz doesnt contribute to the damage for proccing it and that theres a bit of a delay before blitz does damage after triggering and then is able to be reapplied so a pretty big chunk of damage is wasted

[thin lantern]

thanks Narcissus. I got coarse grit AND water fitness.

[bleak night]

whenever I have Heph, I begin to use shield a lot more for poke damage because I usually put his boon on my special

plus tbh it's the best way on Axe to get rid of blue hearts

[thin lantern]

truth. what set of boons on which attacks tho

[bleak night]

Hera Attack, Heph Special (or Dash) and Demeter Cast

[thin lantern]

also. zeus/apollo might be the play for charon axe?

[queen charm]

yes

[bleak night]

Most likely, yeah

Zeus Omega Cast affects your crit chance, stacking it up

[thin lantern]

because you go for the GIGA NUKE duo boon via apollo cast, and also can just get apollo special for gigantic range or something

[bleak night]

Charon, right ?

[thin lantern]

no, charon axe. crit chance is for than and that's probably a bug

[bleak night]

Confusing myself lol

Eris keeps sending me clips of Than Omega Cast and it's really making me want to try

but I told myself I'd play more Skull and Blades so I can get the hang of it

[rancid summit]

is thanatos worth or charon better

[thin lantern]

certified eris moment

[bleak night]

Charon really requires you to hold the shield down and let it shockwave, so it's pretty safe and far from enemies unlike your normal Axe gameplay

Than can be mixed ranged and extremely close combat

personal preference, that being said

[thin lantern]

aw gods damnit, I didn't get beach, but I DID get golden rule

850 gold. not bad. gonna crush chronos under the weight of my money.

[placid copper]

Also... Am I wrong or blades+aphro on special rly is the best build early? It's literally the same as the bow in Hades

[thin lantern]

also going to get six whole nightmares off this run poggers

[bleak night]

Blades + Aphro is good, yeah

[lusty heron]

What do you use stardust on ? Familiar first and which do you prefer ?

[bleak night]

Cat is better because it gives you a free dd, but the Frog can be situationally strong because it somehow is able to bodyblock enemy attacks and not take damage

[ionic lily]

Frinos is great for helping to tank projectiles

[lusty heron]

Is the low hp dd bette then the more hp for other dd ?

[shell swan]

frog is generally better for resource gathering until you have enough psyche for everything

[thin lantern]

oh wait. lmao. I have EXACTLY 1000 gold

[orchid fog]

Is the Momus staff bugged, or am I not reading the description right? It says if I have less than half health, my Omega special instead becomes a heal for 5hp, in addition to my special in general having a scaling damage buff. Is this correct, or am I misunderstanding?

Cuz I don't feel like I was healing

[atomic ibex]

Are you standing in the blast?

[thin lantern]

you have to be in melee range for that.

[orchid fog]

Where does it tell me I have to do that?!

[bleak night]

shoot it at a wall

with you facing the wall, nose pressing on it

[atomic ibex]

Isn’t it in the description?

[orchid fog]

"Absorb your Omega Special blast" sounds like it's an automatic process

and even if it's an instruction, it's not very specific. what implies absorption? is that process automatic?

Being in the splash range of your Omega Special and healing is a way better description

It's definitely worded like something that just... happens, without your action.

[wind lake]

k so what aspect do i use on skull thats good, i hate the skulls and i need to get to cerb with them

[atomic ibex]

Persephone is great for cast builds

[orchid fog]

lol is that the meta?

[atomic ibex]

Since the 30% increase applies to all omega moves

[orchid fog]

finish a chamber and just heal yoruself to full?

[forest veldt]

id agree if it was absorb your omega special, but absorb your omega special blast means u need to absorb the blast

[bleak night]

honestly, the meta for that weapon is to just spam your Special lol, people don't usually use Omega on it

[wind lake]

yeah the healing is just a minor footnote for momos

[orchid fog]

Okay? So where does it tell me how to do that? Does it say "chase your special down and be in its detonation area"?

[wind lake]

absorb your special is pretty straightforward

[orchid fog]

guess I"m a moron then

[bleak night]

@thin lantern How much gold did you have for that Poseidon-Hera duo

[forest veldt]

not what i meant sry

[thin lantern]

exactly 1k

[atomic ibex]

I‘m already mourning the fact that Momus will probably be nerfed

[orchid fog]

Does the Omega healing method work if you're like, 1HP at the end of a chamber, and you run to the wall and do the spam?

[thin lantern]

yes

[orchid fog]

or is it only working during an active encounter?

so basically if you have magicka you can guarantee a heal to 50% every chamber?

[bleak night]

I haven't tried it before, so unsure

[severe furnace]

it's not very relevant since you usually get the poseidon special and then you just never drop that much health

[orchid fog]

I just had a run that made it to Chronos where I was pretty much prioritizing Hestia stuff all around

I'm probably going to give a Twinrova build a try again with the torches.

[jade cairn]

I finally beat cronos. Woooo

[forest veldt]

congrats!

[orchid fog]

gz

[glossy galleon]

just a question, is it intended with the silver blades to miss half of your omega attacks because you dash too far? specifically on ||Chronos||. not sure if there's a trick to it

[orchid fog]

Although I"m not even sure if a true "Twinrova" build has any merit on the Torches.

[orchid fog]

I find the omega dash finicky in general.

[jade cairn]

I used a poseidon special build, hammer of daedalus (deals with 2 foes using special) with hephaustus armor. 4 death defiance.

Now gonna use sister blade pan

[glossy galleon]

yeah i had the backstab build going and could melt everythign with a omega backstab. still beat him but i was like huh i feel like it shouldnt take this long.

[jovial cove]

yeah I don't use blades dash to dash I use to keep witch time going without having to spend magic

[thin lantern]

hmmm. chronos seems to have a janky hit detection issue with blade teleport

[glossy galleon]

should i report it as a bug, or would that just be feedback?

[thin lantern]

bug

[orchid fog]

Lore time: In The Legend of Zelda, Ocarina of Time, the final boss of the final dungeon in the game, before you would proceed to Ganon's castle, was a pair of witches named Koume and Kotake. After you defeat them individually in phase one of the fight, they meld together into one enemy that weilds, go figure, magic torches; one ice, one fire. They were known as "Twinrova".

I roleplay as that using the torches sometimes by mixing Hestia and Demeter.

[atomic ibex]

So I feel like the best 2 weapons are by far Momus, then Artemis. What is the third best weapon?

[plush beacon]

Anyone else have Fishing Lures not pass time?

[orchid fog]

Artemis, really?

Huh... I had tons of trouble with the Artemis daggers, but I had the Omega slowdown Arcana on, which really messes with the parry/riposte system on the Artemis daggers.

[atomic ibex]

Yeah, a free shield every 15 seconds, that gives you a 100% percent damage increase

[plush beacon]

I find runs without the slowdown Arcana to be super challenging for me

[atomic ibex]

You learn quite quickly when to start to channel to trigger riposte

[shell swan]

Yeah, currently bugged

[modest notch]

I had the same problem, trying to move towards him right as the omega attack hits helps or when he gets to corners you can't go behind him which is also a sure hit

[dawn cape]

Tbh I'm surprised they didn't just have a hard dash timing check with Chronos

If it's properly telegraphed a "if you aren't invulnerable during this frame you get hit no matter where you are" would be more fair than the boomerang

[steep breach]

in my experience, spamming the skull omega special lmao

[formal wyvern]

bruh concave stone went off and forced me into getting rid of born gain with the hestia sacrifice boon thingie

(i got fluid gain at the next shop so its alright)

[weak wave]

So i think i might have found a build I like that takes advantage of status effects, pan daggers, with hook shot, aphrodites cast, demeters special, hestia attack, hera sprint and freezer burn duo. I think getting the boon from hestia that makes the stacks refresh and damage more could be good, but its nice to be able to focus on dodging and setting up better openings for damage while having the fire continuesly going since invuln phases don't clear it

[steep breach]

as long as you have a normal amount of mana, born gain is insanely good

[brittle prairie]

Feels like it always overshoots the target

[brittle prairie]

Aspect of Pan for sure

[brittle prairie]

Not like you need to time the parry, it auto parrys if you just hold down omega

[atomic ibex]

Really? I always felt a bit frustrated by Pan, since the cast only lasts long enough for one fully charged special

[brittle prairie]

Ognore the cast

[honest lodge]

you can get two with the faster omega hammer

[brittle prairie]

just abuse the ton of daggers

[honest lodge]

but the thing does so much damage that that one shot takes chunks out of bosses.

[steep breach]

or get hera cast and solve the cast too short problem

[brittle prairie]

Especially with certain hammers all you need is thevreturning dagger or dagger column and its a monster

[weak wave]

the cast goes crazy with hook shot on the pan daggers

[honest lodge]

someone here has a clip of them killing cerb with one special on pan

[weak wave]

there's no way

[brittle prairie]

Yeah there arent 0 sunergies with yhe cast but its really mainly the absurdity of have 10 daggers on your special

[honest lodge]

oh yeah, he had +5 special per hit and hookshot hammers, pommed up aphro at point blank, and a chaos boon for special damage

[weak wave]

damn

that's kinda nuts

[topaz peak]

https://youtu.be/N1nF38mpB68

Not me but here’s the vid

[weak wave]

ohhhh

[brittle prairie]

Thats awesome

[weak wave]

ok i thought it was from full health (forgot about invuln), although that's still crazy damage

[honest lodge]

the last dagger has triple the base damage and then like x3 damage after that plus I assume bonus damage to enemies in cast and against 2 status effects

[topaz peak]

he also had the after you've used hex increase next instance of damage

[brittle prairie]

but yeah Pan is absurd even without specing into the cast synergy if you can get it to +4or5 daggers

[honest lodge]

ah

the cast doesn't matter that much but I like stuff like scorch for some extra damage. And fireball cast for more damage

but even just throwing a good pos special on it can get you like a thousand damage per special pretty easily

[rich oxide]

Can someone help me beat the Cyclops, I keep dying because he spots me, any tips for it?

[brittle prairie]

You can even abuse fixed damage with it, even scortch as undertuned as it is can be fired and forgotten

[topaz peak]

cast is useful if you have the throws knives all around you hammer

[brittle prairie]

Where he thriws the rock down just sprint away from your current position and dash overvthe shockwave once it falls

[topaz peak]

preferably with zeus shoot cast boon.

[rich oxide]

Thank You

[ebon spade]

Is the hestia scorch boon where it pops after 300 stacks bugged or something? It feels like damage it should be doing just doesn't exist?

[topaz peak]

don't attack him where he says something like i can hear you

[rich oxide]

What would be a good weapon for it?

[topaz peak]

depends on what boons you're aiming for

[brittle prairie]

Axe and All Torches Except Eos are pretty rough on cyclops, everythingvelse should be manageable

[honest lodge]

I also like to throw on zeus attack. You cast, hit them once, then special, and the special damage procs the lighting damage. Heph attack+vent is another good one

[topaz peak]

pan is good for cyclops

[rich oxide]

So, maybe Aspect of Charon and cast boons?

[silver oriole]

pan is good for everything

[brittle prairie]

cyclops everything

[topaz peak]

aphro or Poseidon cast is best for pan

[honest lodge]

yeah, dash over the expanding circle, cast, dash back, special, repeat

[topaz peak]

i mean special

[brittle prairie]

Axe is a bit slow for manuevering around polyphemus, not impossible but just requires a lot of patience and omega abuse

[rich oxide]

So should I use aspect of pan blades?

[topaz peak]

if you want an easier time

[honest lodge]

also when going "up" the icarus explosive special is incredible, or the +20 special damage (especially with aphro). Great way to kill Eris

[topaz peak]

put on Poseidon or aphro

on special

and try to get hestia dash for eris

[rich oxide]

When do you meet Hera?

[topaz peak]

i want to say the first time after the surface but it might be after you've beat the cyclops

[rich oxide]

Ok

[formal wyvern]

i found scalding vapor +funeral pyre on torches to be a really nice combo - cause you can constantly apply steam with just regular attacks

[topaz peak]

which i did on my second attempt. so it kinda blurs together.

[honest lodge]

run the damage vs enemies in cast and against enemies with 2 status effect cards and get a status effect on cast different from your attack. With pos attack I think you need slip, or just put a status on attack and do cast, attack, special. With this card combo you are doing +80% damage, which pretty much runs pan special up over 1000 damage if you have all 10 daggers

[shrewd crater]

i feel like skull is going to be the speedrun weapon

but heavily reliant on good hammers

[honest lodge]

but also some hammers will run up pan damage significantly higher.

[topaz peak]

the build i like was Poseidon on everything but aphro cast, dash and regen.

for pan

[rich oxide]

What is a generally good build to beat the game, I heard a Charon Axe with cast buffs is best and that pan twin blades is best, so I want to know which ones the better one.

[shrewd crater]

theres also omega cast span, you pick one of the boons that lets you choose where the cast detonates, and then another that makes it detonate instantly

one of the safest builds too

[honest lodge]

yeah that's solid. Hestia cast and regen is good as well. If running pos special I think you can get a ridiculous duo boon for massive steam damage. Honestly pos regen is fine

[topaz peak]

depends on your style

[topaz peak]

eh zeus cast is better

[rich oxide]

I don't know I just use which ever weapon has grave thirst

[topaz peak]

and i think with this you might be able to get posidon aphro duo.

[honest lodge]

hestia cast does more damage if multiple enemies are in there and doesn't need omega cast

[shrewd crater]

based gamer

[topaz peak]

fair

can't miss where you place the zeus cast tho

[honest lodge]

both let you cast at range tho. I ran zeus last run cause that's what came up and it was solid. If running zeus, put zeus on attack and to cast, attack, special, which procs the attack lightning

[topaz peak]

i've been hearing good things for axe where you get as many rock boons as possible then getting the demeter infusion.

something like that

[honest lodge]

lightning lance is really important if you want to omega cast zeus cause you get more time to special

[primal hull]

To whoever said "Do the staff that heals you"

Bless your heart I think I'm FINALLY GONNA GET THE BASTARD

[honest lodge]

demeter infusion, coarse grit, needs 6 earth and is a great way to tank bosses.

[silver oriole]

coarse grit seems good but my builds are never cut out for the 6 earth lol

[honest lodge]

great for builds with hera cause it makes the earth easy to get

[dire lily]

had a question about the aphrodite boon glamour gain, it says in each encounter 1 enemy will be weak does this mean if i kill the enemy that is weak another will take the perma weak debuff?

[tired fulcrum]

Yes

[topaz peak]

yes

[dire lily]

that is op

[honest lodge]

but you can inflict weap other ways tho

[topaz peak]

it's great

especially mixed with dash and cast with a range cast

[honest lodge]

cast or dash is great for that

[topaz peak]

basically don't need to worry about mana at that point afterwards

[tired fulcrum]

Its nice but its more awkward compared to some other regains

[glossy rivet]

coarse gritting my way through chronos' 999 dmg phase 2 attack

[dire lily]

doing a pan blades run rn and got both the epic dash and glam gain

[honest lodge]

same haha

[tired fulcrum]

Ngl coarse grit feels like what legendaries should be

[topaz peak]

how do you trigger coarse grit

[tired fulcrum]

Hera infusion, get 6 earth elements

[topaz peak]

but with pan if you're going with posidon trying to get the legendary isn't essential but it'll make chronos quicker.

[vapid saddle]

what are good early game builds to shoot for?

[shell swan]

I think most of the legendaries are really strong and run carrying

[honest lodge]

one thing great about pan is it's pretty versatile boon wise. Pos, aphro, or even hera special can work. Then really all three of those magic regens are good, or you can add hestia for hers and to her cast, or just ranged cast. Zues is good for ranged cast and his chain lightning is good. Him and hestia both have good duos with pos. Even heph is good for defense and his attack with vent to mix in occasionally for more damage. Not sure how to get apollo legendary but it's insane if you get it, and his cast size increse is good. Lots of options

[rich oxide]

Which staff heals you???

[dire lily]

unless you are doing high fear just try to grab boons that will scale well into the last region because the first three are really easy, some general gods that work in most builds are apollo and aphrodite from my experience

[vapid saddle]

awesome thanks

[topaz peak]

aphrodite only if you're going melee

[topaz peak]

with pan which is better aphro or posidon on special?

[dire lily]

for chronos, aphro

[tired fulcrum]

Idk only ones that are like that are poseidon, apollo, and maybe hera if you have a big born gain. Hephaestus' and dems are nice but not carry material. Hestias sucks because scorch sucks compared to splash, zeus'is garbage fire, aphros is garbagefire

[honest lodge]

aphro has more damage potential if you get enough boons and stuff. But pos is stronger with few boons typically, especially against crowds due to the splash damage

[topaz peak]

so a good idea is maybe like go aphro special, and pos attack and try to get the duo?

[dire lily]

poseidon is pretty meh for last boss imo

[severe furnace]

aspect of momus, although in most of my runs with it I never use the heal, it's good because it kills things so quickly with the poseidon special that you do not really need to heal

[rich oxide]

Ok

[dire lily]

honestly just go for whatever you're hitting at the time, pan blades are very flexible because you can play both melee or ranged

[topaz peak]

yeah

[honest lodge]

note that when using aphro, buffs to your special power are really strong, but less strong on pos where you want like increased special damage % to really up your damage, because pos adds flat damage where aphro adds percent

[topaz peak]

i've got both the pos and aphro boons to 2 starts currently

[dire lily]

yeah like i said poseidon is pretty meh for bosses

[topaz peak]

tho aphro might be at 3. i mean the keepsakes

[rich oxide]

Should I use the aphro keepsake for the run or pos

[topaz peak]

what is charm?

[honest lodge]

note that running aphro if you take hestia, she has an infusion for attack and special power that scales with fire. So she can be a good take there.

[dire lily]

if you are chasing a sub 15 run i'd grab pos first because he can give you fast clears early but if you don't care about time aphro scales better into the later stages

[topaz peak]

in my run tonight ill aim for a pos aphro duo build but the rng gods will decide if they will allow for that

what is char,

[rich stone]

I find it weird that with the moonstone axe, you can cancel the default X omega move by dashing, but if you have the daedalus upgrade that shoots it forward, you just spin until it ends without being able to cancel it by dashing

[honest lodge]

either is good, just build around it. You don't know what you're going to get. In some runs you'll be like man, I got the +5 special power per hit hammer, I wish I'd taken aphro, but then on the flip side if you don't get many boons offered that are good for the biuld pos may be better

[rich stone]

idk if its intended

[vapid saddle]

secret crush with axe is bad right?

youd generally want that for a fast attacking weapon?

[dire lily]

axe has a lot of weird mechanics, like when you're channeling special and dash it messes up the direction you want it to hit

[topaz peak]

what is charm?

[honest lodge]

for high heat runs where you aren't getting as many boons cause they're more expensive in shops and stuff, pos I hear is more reliable

[rich stone]

what was it i dont remember

[vapid saddle]

• base attack power

[rich stone]

i never use the special lol

[rich oxide]

Ok, ty

[dire lily]

the block it has is one of the best moves in it's kit

[rich stone]

i try to get as much attack as posible when i build it personally

[dire lily]

you can keep uptime standing melee while blocking it's similar to shield from first game

[vapid saddle]

take +7 base attack over +100% up close damage?

[honest lodge]

but on either the hookshot, radial 16 daggers hammers, and faster omega special charge time are always good

[signal robin]

Engraved pin SLAPS

has saved me 3 times this run

[topaz peak]

the time i got cheaper omega special on knives was great but by far not the best hammer.

i generally get all the hammers that make me wish i picked Artemis

[rich stone]

idk i just cast and spin lolol, i go zeus + aphrodite and i dont have any problems except with ||cyclops and big kraken guy|| (havent beat ||kronos|| yet tho)

[tired fulcrum]

It only affects the regular attack and not the omega which is kinda sad

[honest lodge]

for sure, but often it's the best one available

[vapid saddle]

idk how far the 'close up' is - would that affect the whole attack range?

[topaz peak]

from what i've been hearing hammer coarse grit infusion +6 earth boons is the go to for axe.

[zenith bolt]

close range is anything you can melee with axe

[topaz peak]

just lets you tank bosses from what i've heard

[vapid saddle]

so surely +100% is optimal? vs +7 base power

[topaz peak]

turns kronos' 999 attack to 16 or something insane like that

[rich stone]

i havent tried tank yet but its prolly good with the 15 damage zeus boon and the increases attack if hit while attacking one

[honest lodge]

if you're stuggling defensively vs chronos and you really wanna ensure a win, take hera keepsake, grab her special, then take demeter and try to rare crop it if you can. But otherwise you can do her cast and that combo makes it easy to take 6 earth and get the demeter infusion for hits can't do more than 15 damage. Your damage output should be serviceable especially for how tanky it makes you. Add a high health pool or the moon heal move and you should survive haha

[rich stone]

idk i dont really get the element stuff yet

smooth brain

[uneven python]

Can someone explain how Judgement works? More specifically if it turns off after activating once?

[rich stone]

i just go death defiance and moon water haha

didnt have any problems with ||eris||

[zenith bolt]

it activates on every boss kill, giving you 3/4/5 of your inactive arcana cards

[uneven python]

For the whole run? The condition makes me think it would turn off after a single proc.

[zenith bolt]

for the whole run. the prerequisite of having no more than 3 (non-zero cost) active cards would kill it otherwise

[uneven python]

thats why I asked xD

[zenith bolt]

it seems interesting for a weaker start but stronger end

[honest lodge]

haha, basically when you pick a boon, most have an associated element, which is displayed by an icon on the left like a flame or a rock. When you open you boon list it shows you what element numbers you have. These only matter for infusions. Some have prereqs, some just do X amount of whatever per that element. The prereq ones can be offered before you meet the prereqs but won't activate until you do

[rich stone]

but yeah overall im happy with the balancing except with the final bosses but i recall they are "buffed" by design due to it being early access

also i dont really know how to build the staff to deal damage

[uneven python]

I mean you could end up with 20+ arcana cards by the final zone sooooo

[zenith bolt]

well yea thats kinda the point of it

you have basically nothing early on and get a lot of stuff later

[tired fulcrum]

Like problem is a lot of arcana are build dependent

[rich stone]

yeah i understand the concept but i dont really build for it, if i get a cool infusion for elements i have ill pick it

[tired fulcrum]

And some are most useful when you have them early

[vapid saddle]

whats the most valuable early game resource? psyche?

[zenith bolt]

probably ash first

[tired fulcrum]

Psyche and ashes

[vapid saddle]

wondering what should be my priorities when picking doors

[honest lodge]

ah. Yeah certain gods tend to offer certain elements, so pos is mostly water, hera earth, etc. demeter is water and earth mostly. So if you have these three in your pool you can often grab all their infusions.

[zenith bolt]

silver you need a lot of eventually but not really immediately

[vapid saddle]

bones not very useful?

[zenith bolt]

bones are muy important later but not as much early on

[honest lodge]

he offers more stuff later so bones can buy some great items but you often need a lot for those

[topaz peak]

spam Poseidon as much as possible.

[zenith bolt]

mainly bc we are in a lack of nightmare and its 1k bones each

[shell swan]

Ashes are the most efficient early on, bc doors are the most efficient way to get ash at every stage of the game

[tired fulcrum]

More important later

[zenith bolt]

bones -> ash is incredibly inefficient and shade tablet is easily the best source of psyche (frinos the goat...)

[honest lodge]

apollo for reach can be nice as well. for the special def pos tho

[shell swan]

Psyche is very important, but once you get the tablet it’s just so much more efficient than getting psyche from rooms

[honest lodge]

and the charon order box

[topaz peak]

try to get the legendary and the multi hit omega attack hammer

[vapid saddle]

oh yewah what tool should i be running? im using shovel atm

[rich stone]

depends of what resource you need haha

[zenith bolt]

shovel/pick if you need mats otherwise shade tablet

[shell swan]

Bones aren’t effecient early game, but they are one of the only ways to get moondust mid game and a lot of the late game materials consistently

[rich stone]

its kinda annoying seeing all the resources you could have gotten but you dont have the right tool...

[honest lodge]

I like using the cauldron as well for dust.

[topaz peak]

charon the goat

[tired fulcrum]

Like nmare

[rich stone]

only thing i dont enjoy is that some bosses feel like if you had a ranged weapon it would be so much easy to kill them (axe)

[shell swan]

I think prioritize nectar above psyche/bones/ash bc it’s the only way to get nectar other than once a night, though if you don’t care about relationships you don’t need that many for keepsakes

[zenith bolt]

luckily we have excess of star dust (for now )

[rich stone]

Also, kraken being unavoidable sometimes is whack

[zenith bolt]

kraken?

[tired fulcrum]

Chary

[rich stone]

yea

[honest lodge]

apollo attack gives you crazy reach on axe

[zenith bolt]

ah

[shell swan]

Chary with 40% speed does not seem consistently dodgeable without soot sprint

[rich stone]

problem is for example with the cyclops its really difficult to omega X at all in the whole fight (axe)

[shell swan]

There are way too many splitting projectiles

[west belfry]

Boon : Prime 50 Magic
Me: 48 Magic
lol SGG

[zenith bolt]

goddamn it, pg13
a lot of stuff is not that great on +40% speed

[rich stone]

due to the ripples when he walks

[zenith bolt]

enjoy trying to react to eris final phase

[rich stone]

when if you have the staff you can just poke and shoot

[honest lodge]

can't you omega attack with the staff. It has pretty long range

[tired fulcrum]

Axe even without apollo attack has enough range on the omega to hit him while he does the zombie walk if you stay in front of him since he walks forward

[rich stone]

yea i mean with the axe, with the staff its a really easy fight

[tired fulcrum]

Assuming he doesnt decide to get stuck on some wall

[zenith bolt]

assuming polyphemus isnt going to be jank
the key mistake

[rich stone]

does walk speed afect how fast you go while spinning?

[tired fulcrum]

fair

[rich stone]

cos sometimes i just have to cancel the attack due to the ripple being fast

[zenith bolt]

all this goes out the window if you get horned sheep, then it's just hell

[honest lodge]

I think the trick with the axe is to only partially charge omega. I haven't used it a ton though. A couple hammers help with this if you can get them

[zenith bolt]

horned sheep > chronos dont @ me

[peak wasp]

Do Omega moves scale from attack boons?

[tired fulcrum]

Idk, admittedly the + movement speed hammer helps a lot

[rich stone]

also something that bugs me, the first arcana card (slowed time while charging omega attacks) doesnt work at all against kronos does it?

[honest lodge]

yes

[tired fulcrum]

If they say they buff your attacks plural

[zenith bolt]

it doesn't and no time stop/slow effects work on him. because uhh

[tired fulcrum]

Like game has a tooltip

[zenith bolt]

he is the titan of time after all

[rich stone]

yeah, i tend to go "can move while doing omega attack" and "you throw omega attack forward" tho

[honest lodge]

like if you have aphro attack then your omega will do more damage when your close as well

[zenith bolt]

this funny enough also means he moves when you cast hexes 👍

[peak wasp]

What's the best God(s) to do big omega DMG?

[rich stone]

yeahh it killed me a couple of times cos im so used to being able to charge stuff haha, at least he is pretty slow

[honest lodge]

Hera has a bonus omega damage at full makick boon I think.

[zenith bolt]

for omega attacks, second to none is demeter for her Weed Killer boon

[rich stone]

Hera is very good for raw damage yeah

[iron brook]

So I finally unlocked enough stuff that I feel comfortable asking about what the community thinks of different weapons/arcanas/boon. What seems unusually strong or weak?

[tired fulcrum]

Uh poseidon/aphro depends on the attack. Demeter and hestia have non core boons that improve omega attack or special in exchange for more magick cost

Also apollo legendary

[zenith bolt]

momus is the best aspect in the game, moros is bugged to hell rn iirc

[honest lodge]

note that for the hera boon you want a consistent regen like hestia over like poseidon to use that boon a lot

[iron brook]

Only thing that’s really stood out to me so far is Hephaestus’s 15 damage max boon, really trivializes the Cronos fight

[zenith bolt]

coarse grit is good yes

[rich stone]

i personally just like the staff and the axe, the torches are a bit boring, i havent even tried the skull due to the ammo thing (im a coward) and i dont remember the rest of the weapons hahaha

[zenith bolt]

rn the main hot topics are axe spin and momus special spam

[iron brook]

Axe spin is kinda nuts

[honest lodge]

this is demeter

[zenith bolt]

and also pan omega special

[rich stone]

axe spin is great so fun

[zenith bolt]

the latter beat 50 fear already

[peak wasp]

Special spam? I feel like specials do no dmg. What am I missing?

[iron brook]

Oh mb

[zenith bolt]

momus boosts the base damage of normal specials on staff by +30

[tired fulcrum]

An upgraded momus aspect

[zenith bolt]

add poseidon for more flat damage and you're easily hitting 70 or 80 damage per special

[glossy rivet]

does colossus tackle hammer affect omega special too? (skull hammer: +45 power or somth)

[peak wasp]

Oo I don't have the weapon aspects

[shell swan]

For attacks/specials, Zeus and heph seem too weak(although heph is just weird and doesn’t work like attack/specials boosts work, while Zeus is actually just really bad), rest all have their use cases, for magick gain, Hera’s born gain is way too strong, the others seem balanced, for utility, every god seems to have some useful utility boons but also some too weak utility boons that don’t do enough

[zenith bolt]

it does, i believe

[glossy rivet]

thats dope

[plush beacon]

Anyone have any advice for 16+ fear or what debuffs to take?

[honest lodge]

the tough thing about coarse grit, that demeter infusion is the 6 earth when only half her boons give earth. You practically need hera in your pool to get that. Heph can help too tho

[rich stone]

i main axe with zeus... it does a lot of damage

[thin lantern]

That's because zeus curse is mid tier at worst.

[zenith bolt]

more expensive is an obvious take, just have to be more stingy with money
+20% (NOT +40%) speed is something you can adjust to
revenants are ok on every wep except axe
barriers are ok on some weps
season with +damage, +health, -healing to taste

[shell swan]

The iirc arrogance fear that removed boons from pool is basically free, and can actually be a significant benefit if you have reroll arcanas, allowing you to get duo boons and legendary boons consistently

[zenith bolt]

for momus specifically, anything that messes with your magick is free

[honest lodge]

barriers on pan isn't bad

[tired fulcrum]

Thats forsaking, arrogance is priming

[zenith bolt]

+10 prime per rarity i find is actually not that bad, but that's me

[plush beacon]

📝📝

[tired fulcrum]

Tho arrogance is free on momus and panic too

[zenith bolt]

removing boons from pool is arguably net positive

in some cases

[tired fulcrum]

Vow of forsaking momus is gaming

[thin lantern]

Heph can utterly invalidate the damage on first hit with his prime too, so free if he shows up.

[zenith bolt]

heph prime is one of the best i think

[honest lodge]

I hadn't thought of that. Nice

[zenith bolt]

reducing chip damage is a really big positive in this game i feel

[bleak night]

... https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1239486134971662397/image.png?ex=664318eb&is=6641c76b&hm=e9ab994a54182c335003b492d7d50880e8ede7dc951ea8a5818be32bd17dc3c6

[thin lantern]

It's functionally a blue shield with the 300% damage fear.

[zenith bolt]

healing is mostly limited to fountains and whenever charon decides to stop being a prick and giving me +magick

[bleak night]

once again carried by Coarse Grit

[zenith bolt]

nice one

[bleak night]

the Weak effects

and Sweet Surrender made me feel like I'm playing Hera

[rich stone]

i tend to sometimes only have 20 mana available due to the priming boons so i thank him hahaha

[bleak night]

I had Hera on shield and an unlucky hammer that I managed to use to my benefit

[plush beacon]

In dreading having to do the 32 fear run for the statue

[thin lantern]

...but of coarse.

[zenith bolt]

the 32 fear run? you mean the 32 fear runs

[honest lodge]

can't you get all the aspects fully upgraded at pretty low heat? What is the purpose of high heat other than challenge?

[zenith bolt]

have to do both surface and underworld for the glory

[zenith bolt]

chief, there is a lot less nightmare than you think

fear thresholds are not like hades 1 where it just goes 1 2 3 4 5 ...

[shell swan]

Momus 32 fear isn’t that bad, bc not only is momus Poseidon op, but you can also take all the magick related fears for free bc momus build doesn’t use any magick anyway

[zenith bolt]

it's like 1 4 8 12 16 20 for each wep

[tired fulcrum]

If you wanna grind a lot of bones

[honest lodge]

I see.

[earnest nacelle]

technically you can, if you grind bones

[zenith bolt]

so 35 total for the distinctly more than that you need

[bleak night]

I'd upload the boss fight but I played it like complete trash, I got carried by Coarse Grit lol

[frosty ruin]

We are also missing a bunch of aspects lol

[zenith bolt]

or something like that idk

[earnest nacelle]

and sometimes charon sells them before chronos but yea

[zenith bolt]

yeah charon can be goated at times

[honest lodge]

so I need to start saving my bones lol

[zenith bolt]

but otherwise you're at the mercy of bones

[shell swan]

Rn you get 28 nightmare from testaments, and upgrading a single aspect to max costs 7 nightmare, and there are 10 aspects

[frosty ruin]

Assuming we have the same number as the first game in the end of EA

[zenith bolt]

shoutout to the last few testaments for blades being broken

[bleak night]

yoooo, I managed to crack 43 Fear on Axe

[zenith bolt]

we know there's gonna be 6 weps and we know theres gonna be more aspects

stands to reason 6x4 aspects is what we'll see but i wouldnt mind being wrong

[frosty ruin]

The real sleeper option is there being more aspects than in the first Hades

[zenith bolt]

staff getting 5 aspects and momus still being the best

[honest lodge]

so it's best to probably focus mostly on one non mel aspect per weapon so you can use them to do the high heat runs to pay for the other aspects, if you care about them lol

[zenith bolt]

where's my guan yu, where's my stubborn defiance

[bleak night]

@fallow brook I chat here a fair bit if you want some Axe builds

[zenith bolt]

its just not the same

[bleak night]

Guan Yu is technically on Axe now lol, you do need two hammers though

[zenith bolt]

sobs

moros keepsake and advancing/psychic whirlwind so i can cosplay a bad guan yu

[fallow brook]

yeah im always open to try some new axe builds

[honest lodge]

I still need to max my grasp tho

[bleak night]

What have you been doing with it lately ?

[zenith bolt]

real ones clear 55 heat with omega special axe

[zenith bolt]

(in the time it takes to omega special 3 times you're already taking timer damage

[bleak night]

55 Fear rn unironically feels impossible

no Arcana and you're expected to win in 20 minutes total

[zenith bolt]

yeah lol i dont know if its doable as is

maybe if the stars align for the god run

[bleak night]

probably with Momus somehow

[fallow brook]

ive been using aspect of charon and apollo's cast

[bleak night]

Momus white antler and somehow you crit everything without fail

[zenith bolt]

but you'd need insane rng and to play like perfectly

[brittle prairie]

Maybe Artemis with good crit rng

[bleak night]

Oh, I'm not too into Charon, I'm about to look into using it once I have Skull and Blades down a bit better. Charon seems kinda dependent on that one hammer where the Omega Special charges twice as fast

[fallow brook]

i havent tried aspect of thanatos yet i need to farm some more nightmare

[bleak night]

Ah, Thanatos is kinda mixed rn

I used to run it full spin-to-win, but I've looked at it as a hybrid with Cast now

[zenith bolt]

skull is kinda mixed bag to me. like i kinda get it but it doesnt just work like pan momus thanatos do

[fallow brook]

yeah for sure. i think most aspects are dependent on a couple specific hammer to max out its potential.

[zenith bolt]

torches idfk ill try them when i have the patience

[bleak night]

that's true, yeah

[zenith bolt]

maybe ill do some low fear runs with torches just to understand wtf they even do

[bleak night]

I kinda enjoy Mel Aspect when spamming Apollo boons

[thin lantern]

I like the high amount of shenanigans aspects like skulls and torches.

[zenith bolt]

special feels like ass bc you cant stagger anything and attack almost seems married to hera magick

[honest lodge]

they throw fire balls (crystals?) at stuff....

[bleak night]

what does ?

[thin lantern]

Like, honestly. The playstyle of skull and so on is fun

[honest lodge]

the torches. I thinik it moved up when I hit reply sorry lol

[zenith bolt]

eos with hera magick and like idk aphro attack seems maybe real? idk

[thin lantern]

Well, hera magick is just the best, but poseidon is fine, having a decent amount of max magick and the card/hestia/chaos is also fine...

[bleak night]

I played the Torches already, just so I can get them out of my Testament checklist lol

[glossy sable]

has anyone run into aspect of artemis not critting on riposte? i haven't hit a crit all run 🤔

[thin lantern]

Hera attack for crowdkilling but aphro attack works pretty well.

[zenith bolt]

attack having literally 0 way to regen magick while you're doing it feels awful when no other weapon has this issue

once again i am asking for attack and omega attack to not be married to the same input

let me tap fire my torches pls

[tired fulcrum]

Tap firing doesnt stop it from channeling?

[zenith bolt]

tap firing makes you do the "ending attack" animation repeatedly thus being slower than holding the button

[wild cloak]

Torches def feel awful to play with in their current state yeah

[zenith bolt]

holding the button lets you attack at full speed, but you channel omega

[wild cloak]

Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but the only way they feel nice is when you spam special

[zenith bolt]

special spam has the problem of staggering nothing

[tired fulcrum]

Like attack spam torches play a lot like rail except theres literally no reason to special

[zenith bolt]

so like blood-shades etc just destroy you

[wild cloak]

What if you run poseidon special on it then

[zenith bolt]

maybe real idk

[warm mural]

I just need a build to win the first run with. i'm just bad at the game XD

[tired fulcrum]

Unless like mel aspect ig or whichever one

[primal nest]

Ok, momus is officially busted,did a 14 minute clear (12 heat IIRC) with it, barely being hit

[wild cloak]

Or just use cast :3

[zenith bolt]

if poseidon staggers then ig it works

[honest lodge]

I need to try out the momus finally I guess lol

[bleak night]

yep lol

[wild cloak]

If you have pan aspect for the Sickles you can run that with poseidon special and Apollo/Zeus/Heph cast

(Heph kinda relies on the Apollo cast supplement boons though)

Those and the Zeus cast aim boon

[zenith bolt]

or just cast and dash away so the targetting works

[tired fulcrum]

Like just go for apollo cast

[wild cloak]

Also valid

[glossy sable]

hestia's would work too, no?

[honest lodge]

hestia cast and aim boon also good.

hestia cast is underrated IMO

[wild cloak]

I forgot Hestia had one LOL

[zenith bolt]

glowing coal is good

probably most qol cast targetting in my opinion

[tired fulcrum]

Her aim is nice but idk the scorch feels like its just for proccing priv status

[zenith bolt]

yeah scorch is just there for origination

40 dps moment

[honest lodge]

it's actually solid. Deals damage to everyone in the AoE without omega. If you pom it up then it can't deal the damage fast enough but a rare one is fine

[wild cloak]

But yeah, for a Pan build run Apollo cast, it has the longest duration to take advantage of homing

[honest lodge]

and scorch is a status effect for the card

[wild cloak]

Scorch is solid if you have a whole build centered around it with staff special spam but why even bother......

[twin stag]

you could run the hera one, 200% increased duration, just so you can get in 3 to 4 casts or more if ur hasted.

[zenith bolt]

atp use poseidon and have more dps anyway

poseidon fans stay winning

[wild cloak]

Real asf

Poseidon is not escaping the nerf hammers

[twin stag]

neither is momus probably xD

[zenith bolt]

cant wait for momus to just get hard reworked bc it got too silly

[wild cloak]

What's momus again? I forgor

[fallow mango]

Today I found out thanks to this server that weapon aspects exist. Online i read that you need to unlock all 5 weapons and then just talk to Hecate in Erebus to get a dialogue to get the recipe for your cauldron to unlock them... i have all weapons for some time now, defeated Hecate a couple more times but still nothing :o what am i doing wrong? do i just need to wait longer? :(

[zenith bolt]

the funny "i click special with poseidon special and do 80 damage each"

[twin stag]

did you get the weapon from the surface?

[fallow mango]

Yeah, the skull also.

[zenith bolt]

momussy https://i.imgur.com/lWxqqFC.png

[wild cloak]

Oh lmao

[zenith bolt]

the omega special thing isnt real

[twin stag]

i think it unlocked for me when i had all weapons and defeated chronos.

[zenith bolt]

its all about the +special power

[frosty ruin]

Did you actually use the weapons to get to Hecate?

[fallow mango]

I thought so too, so far i didn't defeat him 🥲

[zenith bolt]

i had aspects before chronos

[wild cloak]

30 is wild what

[zenith bolt]

mind you, the base damage of staff special is 10

[tired fulcrum]

I do 4x base damage the aspect

[fallow mango]

Oh this might be the issue, cause i don't know if i did....

[glossy sable]

just spam regular specials, and its strength comes from the +power? interesting, guess i'll have to give it a try again though low ranks don't help lol

[honest lodge]

best used without much investment honestly. Being able to do like 100 damage on everything in your cast without omega is really solid. Also it can be upgraded to do a lot of damage to armor

[tired fulcrum]

Idk if you need to beat her with each weapon but i think you need to at least get to her so she comments on them

[frosty ruin]

Welp take whatever one you like least, so probably the torches lmao and go beat on Hecate

[wild cloak]

Yeah, I for some reason didn't see the Momus subtext giving it that dps up

[honest lodge]

so with momus, you grab pos special and just spam non omega right?

[fallow mango]

yes..... it's the torches. 😂 Though i think i beat her with them on the one/two runs i did with them LOL. They just feel clunky.

[wild cloak]

Yes

[meager wadi]

what are ya'll running for your arcanas

[bleak night]

how much grasp do you have rn ?

[meager wadi]

29 but pretend like i have 30

[zenith bolt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/362939825000677377/1239493001059766304/momus_moment.mp4?ex=66431f50&is=6641cdd0&hm=a2960957d886a4d2478229158372040adaafc8b3180eaca234930fff8ddf7737&

[bleak night]

I can dm you my grasp build if you want

[meager wadi]

sure

[frosty ruin]

Well try taking the torches and then cycle through your least used weapons to try to get it to proc

[wild cloak]

For staff aspects though, I've been liking Mel aspect a lil too much

[warm mural]

is it better to like, beat the surface and then the underworld or the other way?

[zenith bolt]

mind you, i don't have king tide in this clip

https://i.imgur.com/ixKCCt7.png

[wild cloak]

This is the dps I was hitting with Pan 😭

[honest lodge]

oh that's what it does. Dang that is crazy

[meager wadi]

also what is best skull aspect?

[bleak night]

They all play differently and none really stand above the others

[wild cloak]

How is that a real lege that exists.....

[bleak night]

base aspect wants you to play with Omega Attack mortars, Persephone wants you to Omega Special for damage, Medea is a purely melee weapon

[fallow mango]

thanks for the tip, that sounds great! <3

[wild cloak]

Dude, genuinely what works on torches 😭

[bleak night]

what aspect ?

[zenith bolt]

https://i.imgur.com/2EdqBLa.png

[honest lodge]

good luck lol

[wild cloak]

I don't remember the name, but the one that causes your fires to slowly stop in place and be deto'd by your special

[bleak night]

I did mine and I kinda hated it, GL lol

[honest lodge]

well it's not exactly an axe

[bleak night]

I enjoy Skull and Staff too

[wild cloak]

Might be time to pom the hell out of Heph sprint......

[zenith bolt]

why the hell do the torches not aim where im clicking

[wild cloak]

I enjoy literally anything but torch

[zenith bolt]

what is this ???? https://i.imgur.com/4guCd2o.png

[wild cloak]

I'd rather play with Gilgamesh Aspect from Hades 1 😭

[honest lodge]

with vent haha

[gray pumice]

I saw above that Moros torch is bugged

[earnest nacelle]

mel is bad at aiming torches

[gray pumice]

15deg off center. Even with controller autoaim flat out misses

[zenith bolt]

legit have to turn off autoaim

[honest lodge]

also, I think the duo with hestia makes the boom bigger

[wild cloak]

Duo with Apollo

[honest lodge]

AH. that makes sense

[wild cloak]

It's how I beat Eris the first time!

[honest lodge]

he do make things bigger

[earnest nacelle]

anything to do with making things grow in size is apollo basically yea

[honest lodge]

that's why all the ladies love apollo lol

[wild cloak]

Apollo makes axe bearable to play for a moron like me :3

[zenith bolt]

thanks aphrodite, my GOAT https://i.imgur.com/PMXVE7o.png

[bleak night]

Did you at least enjoy Axe ?

[wild cloak]

With Apollo boons yeah

[bleak night]

not bad ig

[wild cloak]

Also enjoyed spamming omega specials with that hammer that makes them fire twice

[honest lodge]

the axe with apollo has like sisters special range

[meager wadi]

should we be shooting them all and omega attacking the last one or just send omega attack on all

[wild cloak]

Oh wait not just apollo

[honest lodge]

Am I the only one that thinks that apollo special should make pan daggers have more range?

[wild cloak]

Earth splitter was also a lot of fun to play with :3

[meager wadi]

also which boons for omega attack base skull

[honest lodge]

apollo

[wild cloak]

Apollo, try to pull lege boon

[bleak night]

just full send the Omega Attacks lol

Yeah, Apollo legendary makes one ammo count as two when you Omega Attack it

[honest lodge]

but also skull boom go big

[wild cloak]

If I were to try Axe tomorrow (it's like 330 rn it's wayyy too late) what aspect should I attempt to use

[meager wadi]

anything else besides apollo legendary for base aspect skull

[bleak night]

Thanatos preferable, but Mel shouldn't be too different

[meager wadi]

besides the regular demeter cast aphro dash etc

[bleak night]

oh, probably do Demeter Special more than Cast tbh

that way when you Special through the enemies to retrieve your skulls, you're freezing them

[honest lodge]

aphro

[bleak night]

I like keeping the Cast on myself and using Apollo's mana regen on it

[zenith bolt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/362939825000677377/1239497207132979200/shenanigans.mp4?ex=6643233a&is=6641d1ba&hm=6dd8efd17e1a970aba558015f47a2e0e8119517e572b57375ff38a9476f7dc9b& good boons moment

[honest lodge]

nice

[plush beacon]

Maybe it’s just me, but I feel like || Eris || is a weirdly tuned boss; either you blow up in two seconds or breeze through it

[bleak night]

Oh, she's meant to be that way rn because the content past her isn't available yet

[tough pasture]

can someone explain the hex star pathway system? It suddenly triggered for the first time and I totally didn't understand what I was doing...

[timber fractal]

whatre good boons for torches/good gods?

[bleak night]

it pretty much all serves to upgrade the Hex you chose when you got her the first time in the run

[timber fractal]

i just dont understand how to use them :/

[honest lodge]

you just look over what node has what bonus and look at the pathways between nodes and figure out what bonuses you want.. Some upgrade the ability and some give bonus damage when that's not charged, which is great if you took one you don't find particularly useful

[bleak night]

the people that usually play them aren't here atm ig, lol

[tough pasture]

what activates the star pathway?

And where can I get more of whatever allows me to upgrade it.

The first time it happened I was totally confused about what suddenly prompted it...

The book suddenly showed up out of nowhere too...

[timber fractal]

ah another axe enjoyer, it is legit the only weapon i use

[timber fractal]

beyblade is just too broken

[earnest nacelle]

1st selene boon = you choose hex
2nd selene onwards = star pathway

[queen charm]

Chronos is alluding to more titans showing up in this....Ima need Hyperion and a few more

[bleak night]

1. It activates the moment you find the second Selene onward.
2. You can get more if you find more Selene to interact with

[bleak night]

I enjoy it a lot, yeah. I've been experimenting with some Axe builds

[tough pasture]

Thanks @earnest nacelle and @bleak night

[timber fractal]

can you tell me some? i only know aphro attack 💀

[bleak night]

I played this really badly, but here's the final boss fight from that 43 Fear run I did earlier https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1238124170282532944/1239498933164838922/43_Heat_Axe.mp4?ex=664324d6&is=6641d356&hm=98f729d0a7a1fde05d51b21936b0820f7106bfebe0cc43ee70af6a3f9e9abb7d

[bleak night]

Oh, Apollo and Hera are equally good, but I did Aphro in this one because I didn't find Hera until later

Demeter Cast serves as a really good crowd-control tool so you're given space to start whirling

this build I was running was really weird, so probably don't follow it. It felt like it was being held up by a prayer; Hera on Special so I can spread Hinge via the blast lol

[timber fractal]

whats so good abt hera?

[timber fractal]

what apollo and hera boons do you go for?

[zenith bolt]

go whole eris fight only taking like 20 damage
hit last phase
eat a burst
lose 160 hp
god i hate this specific thing so much

[bleak night]

Hinge will apply to every target hit by it, and every target with Hinge will take some damage when another one afflicted by it is struck. Since you're doing an AoE whirl, everytime one is hit, the rest take damage along with it, so the more enemies around you, the faster they just die altogether

[timber fractal]

i guess, do you put that on ur special?

[bleak night]

Hera Attack and then stack Hera and Demeter Earth boons and get Coarse Grit, it'll usually spell a won run for you already

[timber fractal]

whats their duo boon!?

[bleak night]

Preferably Attack, on Special you can run a secondary status curse, Demeter again or Hephaestus

[honest lodge]

also with demeter early you may be able to rare crop your attack

[merry dagger]

demeter's omega attack buff is really good with axe. overall she's probably worse than aphro, but still good.

[bleak night]

I don't really remember because I don't use the Hera-Demeter duo much. You can do Apollo-Aphro instead though if you'd rather Apollo Attack or Aphro attack

I find the good builds on Omega Attack-based Axe to be split between Hera-Demeter and Apollo-Aphro

[twin stag]

Frinos seems to be chilling hard during the fight, he looks so happy

[timber fractal]

okay sounds good, ive only done apollo-aphro ill try the other two!

[bleak night]

Hera-Demeter will allow you to 100% win vs Chronos because of Coarse Grit

Aphro-Apollo is a juggernaught, no matter which of the two you choose for Attack

[honest lodge]

and it kills groups well too cause of hitch

[bleak night]

just stack Hearthrobs on Aphro-Apollo and you'll feel the damage

[cerulean bay]

Had my first proper axe run earlier really wasn't enjoying the special, but it seems ridiculously well suited to chronos specifically.

[bleak night]

I ran Frinos instead of Toula so I can have the projectile blocking he gives

[timber fractal]

i feel like hearthrobs are too small idk, sometimes they juz dont hit

[bleak night]

Gotta go near

[twin stag]

oh yeah i get you, it wasnt sarcasm. it was something i jsut noticed in the video 😄

[bleak night]

Since you've tried Aphro already, I suggest Apollo on it

[cerulean bay]

It also had heart throb duo boon and it slapped

[honest lodge]

sprint around him with heph sprint while you hit with the heartthrobs lol

[bleak night]

oh, I thought you were askin about Frinos sry

I have another video here using Apollo Axe, but the hammers on it were kinda insane compared to this fight here

[twin stag]

nahh he just seemed to be super happy duyring the final fight, esp on the transition you see him smiling and chilling

[timber fractal]

whats coarse grit im dumb

[bleak night]

This one for Apollo Axe https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1238124170282532944/1238190900782301335/weird_Apollo_Axe.mp4?ex=663e62a3&is=663d1123&hm=3a3df7df09a877cc5a162bf3dd6ed0bf701c986eaff7561089fe709bb8926a14

[cerulean bay]

Dashing past chronos and seeing 1500ish pop up in pink

[twin stag]

it minimized dmg taken to max 15 (epic)

[bleak night]

This one for Hera-Demeter https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1238124170282532944/1238457529256640532/32_Heat_Axe.mp4?ex=663f5af4&is=663e0974&hm=9be00586fefca7e614ac80a89cb1d095210ea2658b41bc233b5786dc576ad229

[bleak night]

if you have 6 Earth boons, all damage taken will be reduced to 15 max

[honest lodge]

question. Has anyone used heph cast? Is it any good?

[timber fractal]

thats insane

[bleak night]

I feel like Heph cast would be good with Demeter spam

[true flame]

any1 find a good setup for 50 heat? So far i only find the momus staff reliable with the right hammer from the start

[bleak night]

so you can keep refreezing

[bleak night]

It's just that, honestly. White Antler Momus is just leagues above anything else

[honest lodge]

I haven't used it. Does it only damage on omega?

[bleak night]

haven't used it in a while, so I'm unsure

[twin stag]

how did you get your mana regen so fast? was it a chaos thing or hestia?

[bleak night]

Hestia probably

[tired fulcrum]

Reg works for heph cast but like its tiny

[honest lodge]

so basically what you do is you freeze an enemy and then cast heph on them

[cerulean bay]

Probably synergises well with melee sister blades

[bleak night]

oh, the Hera-Demeter one is using Apollo's Lucid Gain, where I mana regen when I stand on my cast