h2-builds-and-combat

[heady cradle]

Pretty sure if you don't max charge it the omega skull special won't give you the shield to prevent damage.

[brittle prairie]

it is flat damage that scales with DPS, that doesnt take away that its flat damage, but it also sucks as cause it doesnt even apply right on 120

[wet nova]

After finding out Hephaestus can crit I did a 3k crit on the sprint using aspect of Thanatos pretty pog

[brittle prairie]

yeah regular special doesnt have i frames

[wet nova]

Sprint to win

[forest veldt]

think its competitive with poseidon flat if was instant proc

[dapper tide]

man i can only beat time/surface final boss with poseidon's knives combo

[zenith bolt]

the best part of being pan is that i can find everyone in hades hot

[distant ocean]

I kinda agree with that assertion indirectly, i just think directly it's also true that the damage blitz will ultimately end up doing is flat unscaleable, atleast once you're doing enough damage to fully realize it's scale, which is scaleable with damage per hit but not through any means of direct percentage to blitz itself < . >

[brittle prairie]

I think they should rework it then cause its borderline dysfunctional atm

[strange kite]

i think in theory zeus blitz is actually insanely good on high hit count stuff cuz its a higher % modifier than aphro

[forest veldt]

blitz does scale w/ global percent dmg. maybe a better way to think about it is blitz is a separate instance of dmg outside of the dmg of weapon hits which is why its flat not %

[dapper tide]

blitz would be better if the dmg requirement was lower

[brittle prairie]

it just doesnt work like that right now

[desert mountain]

@obsidian stirrup Regarding your feedback for the specials for the staff and sickle, have you unlocked the aspects of the weapons?

[distant ocean]

oi, my brain, it hurts, there's too many cooks

[brittle prairie]

its not even the damage requirement, theres still a delay before it procs

[dapper tide]

oh i didn't even notice that

[earnest nacelle]

if u had a weapon that dealt damage in 1dmg/hit chunks, poseidon would still be better.

[strange kite]

exactly

[dapper tide]

What ends up happening is you just kill the regular enemies too quickly for biltz to be useful. And what happens with bosses is the dmg is too low to be useful.

[distant ocean]

I would also agree that zeus blitz is potentially stronger than aphrodite provided that you can reach 120 per hit with all those higher hitcount things, question does blitz scale with back attack?

[strange kite]

blitz scales multiplicatively with literally everything else

thats what makes it potentially amazing if not for the nuances of blitz application/detonation messing with it

[spare kite]

The aphro-zeus duo looks fun at least for blitz

[earnest nacelle]

best case scenario for blitz (relative to other boons) is if you hit exactly or slightly over 120 damage per hit

[brittle prairie]

in theory but not in practoce

[forest veldt]

if u mean does it scale w/ attack % it doesn't

[strange kite]

well i guess if u had a dot weapon that couldnt trigger poseidon but dealt damage is mostly continuous segments blitz would be the best

[distant ocean]

@forest veldt Oh sorry I meant backstab damage, not necessarily pointed to anything, like sister dagger aom

[forest veldt]

ah, stll doesn't

[distant ocean]

fair, it would make sense

[strange kite]

although maybe blitz plus cast is still potentially good? again its just that u dont get a perfect exact reapplication of blitz with casts as soon as the previous pops which us an issue

[forest veldt]

ya would be nuts if was instant dmg proc and reapply

[strange kite]

but for a cast build i do think blitz can be a good choice on ur special or attack like staff blitz special + apollo zeus casts

[zenith bolt]

got all mine up to tier 2 woo https://i.imgur.com/O4LK9en.jpeg

[bleak night]

in what part of that message was any language inappropriate lmao

[strange kite]

it wouldnt be perfect but it does help ur cast scale

[bleak night]

Either way, I managed to get 32 Fear done on Torches, so I can just never touch that disgusting thing again

[frosty ruin]

The filter is real aggressive lol

[maiden perch]

hey question, does the mel staff give a speed bonus to the omega cast too?

[bleak night]

I typed "free" in all caps with multiple E's

[forest veldt]

did some w/ charon and apollo cast w/ zeus special, wasn't horrible but dont think better than thanatos

[frosty ruin]

Probably spam then

[bleak night]

weird

[pastel bison]

Artemis is sick, thanks for the build tech. Only thing I didn't love about it was Apollo dash. It was kind of annoying when I was trying to Riposte but the attack missed so it didn't trigger. Probably still worth it for the passive defense benefits of enemies being able to miss when you aren't trying to Riposte tho

[forest veldt]

the charge yes, but not detonation speed

[bleak night]

I'll go back to practicing Skull, Staff and Daggers before I go back to comfort Axe spinning

[maiden perch]

ok thanks pillows

[night gazelle]

Are Moros aspect explosions buffed by attack%?

[bleak night]

I honestly just ran Blitz on them and reapplied for my Aphro Special rotating orbs

I haven't tried yet with %attack boons

[night gazelle]

Well whatever attack you’re using, do the bursts proc it I guess

There were applying blitz?

[bleak night]

They were, yeah

[night gazelle]

Cool, thanks

[bleak night]

sure thing

[forest veldt]

it does

[wet nova]

It does scale with attack I believe but it does not scale properly with Poseidon attack

As in if you explode 5 at once it will only count as Poseidon damage once

Same with Eos if you drag all at once the white numbers go up but the blue Poseidon number stays the same as base and gets hit once

[night gazelle]

Does Poseidon have a tiny ICD the way some things did in H1?

[wet nova]

Might do

[shy summit]

I slept on Heph attack hard... it's so busted if you increase the rarity and pom it

[spare kite]

hook knives doesn't proc pos twice for example so maybe

[brittle prairie]

yes, but they're otgerwise buggy in terms of positioning, hitbox, and hammer upgrades iirc

[wet nova]

It is but at the same time poms are far less frequent in this game

[brittle prairie]

its too reliant on that imo, they should reduce the base copldown while keeping the higher level ones still frequent

[night gazelle]

Oh yeah that’s another thing. Is there any way to make them stop shorter (moros attacks)

[brittle prairie]

nope, they seem to position very inconsistently

[shy summit]

agreed - I pretty much never pick it except for weapons where I don't really use the attack (torches) or special

then it becomes crazy free damage

[brittle prairie]

Well on non Melonie Torches attack boons are very important and hapheastus would be mediocre on them

Especially EoS torches

[slate zodiac]

The most I can think of is using omega special and popping them the moment you send them out

I prefer Eos because it's easier to use tbh

Hera is imo the best attack for torches

[distant ocean]

I just can't do this anymore. https://giphy.com/gifs/ssLg20MRIVnjM9t3Ng

It can't EVEN KILL COCOON

[night gazelle]

Yeah while we’re here, what aspect is most liked for torches so far? I’m finding them a little illegible in general

[bleak night]

lmao

it hurts to use, doesn't it ?

[distant ocean]

yes ;_;

[strange kite]

aye yo no way lmao

[bleak night]

I'm glad I don't have a reason to use it anymore

[strange kite]

🤢

[brittle prairie]

EoS by far, not close right npw, mainly due to Moros being bugged

[shy summit]

number one torch defender here

[night gazelle]

Thanks. Maybe just go kill Eris once more to unlock it

[shy summit]

they can be super good >:(

[distant ocean]

I'm a torch fence sitter, but c'mon, the attack on it can't even destroy urns half the time.

[bleak night]

I know they can, don't get me wrong, but I just didn't enjoy using it is all

[shy summit]

dont use the attack, like at all
just use special

[night gazelle]

I’m looking forward to trying more, they just hadn’t been purple for a few runs so I’m way behind on them

[strange kite]

the special has literally 0 hit stun

[brittle prairie]

even unupgraded its better than all the others

[spare kite]

torch reminds me of fists somewhat
"can they be fun? yeah" "are they a pain in the ass" also yeah

[distant ocean]

I usually do use special, but when you use special you only get attack hammers lol and I'm trying out attack builds now cuz there was a torchattack defender

[strange kite]

which is hilarious when u consider the omega wants u to get in close and u have 1 dash

[shy summit]

just give it a shot with poseidon on special

[brittle prairie]

that only works on upgraded aspect of melinoe

[shy summit]

it's very viable on base torches

[distant ocean]

and when you use special you can't stagger mobs... it's like whats the point if it's a combination of sister blades and staff but like at a quarter of the power for each such as though your output in all virtual aspects is half that of anything else with the added benefit of most of the hammers sucking dong.

[thin lantern]

Huh. I love fists and rail to bits so that might be why I immediately vibed with torches.

[shy summit]

upgraded aspect only gives you like 2 seconds extra of omega special

[spare kite]

for me blades is the equivalent of fists but with base dmg (and Pan is chiron but good)

[thin lantern]

Most people were not rail mains, and they weren't all big on fists

But it kinda feels like rail to me. Which makes sense because it's basically what Amir wanted rail to be initially

[brittle prairie]

2 seconds is a lot

[spare kite]

people love the fists in my experience, fwiw my point of view is mostly speedrunning where fists are certainly a top 6 weapon

[thin lantern]

Yup. If you like special (I don't as much) it is big

[distant ocean]

aren't there only 6 weapons?

[thin lantern]

That's the joke

[spare kite]

exactly

[thin lantern]

I don't think of speedruns at all though

[charred flame]

Fists, rail, and bow were my 3 fav weapons in hades 1

[distant ocean]

i don't get it.

[zenith bolt]

rail was my baby but thats bc rail was funny

[charred flame]

Rail was hilarious

[brittle prairie]

Speedruns are kinda skewed cause fastest doesnt always mean most consistent for the average player either

[zenith bolt]

eris being op in this game is honestly just a continuation of what was true in hades 1 as well

[charred flame]

Cover the whole battlefield in grenades

[spare kite]

bad weapon in short (just for those cases or high heat)

[tired fulcrum]

Top 6 because 6th place

[zenith bolt]

i dont recall a "rapid fire shotgun" mode on mine though

[distant ocean]

that was a jake, ofc I get it, I'm joshin, I'm drake and joshin, hahaaaaa. :]

[thin lantern]

Honestly? Lucifer rail was my main squeeze

[brittle prairie]

1 uber massive grenade

[charred flame]

YES

[tired fulcrum]

Spread fire except a quarter of the range

[brittle prairie]

Lucifer Rail was awesome

[thin lantern]

Hammers. Eris stole every hammer

[golden flare]

i managed.... sister blades + flutter strike + static shock + support fire + secret crush + swift strike + marauder slice + final slice

got em all 🥲

[thin lantern]

Honestly? Lucifer rail felt a bit like torches. Lots of holding down left click

[spare kite]

I need to know how Eris tinkered with the rail lmao, that thing is #NotMyRail

[bleak night]

wondering how they'll turn all these weapons into unique variants when the foreign mythology aspects come

[zenith bolt]

i need 144 more moon dust

[brittle prairie]

I hope we get more asprcts than Hades 1 having more than just 1 extra unique aspect would be nice

[charred flame]

For what

[woeful frigate]

what skull aspect have people had the most success with? im rly struggling with them

[distant ocean]

gyatt, for what

[bleak night]

card upgrades to max

[zenith bolt]

maxing out arcana cards

[charred flame]

Ah

[distant ocean]

oh, neat-o, get to work buckaroo

[bleak night]

how many runs have you done, pajama ?

[spare kite]

Mel is my vibe so far

[thin lantern]

Persephone has stronk passive

[zenith bolt]

82 i believe?

[thin lantern]

Mel is easy to use and quite powerful.

[zenith bolt]

it took me a slightly embarassing amount for my first win but the rust has shaken off at this point

[distant ocean]

I just don't like using the skulls outside of the Ω with the shotgun hammer

[bleak night]

Honestly, just play Poseidon and spam the moneymaker stuff so you can get more cards to buy Moondust

[zenith bolt]

yea 29 was my first win

[distant ocean]

persephone special attacking is blessed though it only makes me miss shield.

[bleak night]

what was everyone's first win, anyway ?

[thin lantern]

Artillery bombardment mode?

[distant ocean]

Yuuuup, that stuff is awesome

[thin lantern]

Momus staff, boring. I ran away for like 10 minutes to heal

[woeful frigate]

what boons would you aim for?

[bleak night]

LMAO

[zenith bolt]

honestly my view of skull has improved after understanding that non-Ω special is good for bosses

[charred flame]

Idk probably blades. They are my fav weapon and it's not close

[thin lantern]

Small ones, like Mel's

[woeful frigate]

thats an unfortunate autocorrect

[distant ocean]

aspect of pan on my 6th attempt lol

[spare kite]

funny typo has striken

[thin lantern]

Aw, edited already

[zenith bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/minor-spelling-mistake-gif-21179057

[brittle prairie]

Persephone and Omega spam, ignore glory

[bleak night]

you had Pan on run 6 already ?

[thin lantern]

I am incredibly bad with blades

[distant ocean]

6th attempt at chronos, it was like my 15th or so total run including the tutorial runs

[charred flame]

Well I do like the axe a lot, but if I don't get all of the boons I want for the run I generally hate my life

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1237630509102796871/image.png?ex=6642477b&is=6640f5fb&hm=e0ad701a6e296d03f63e982fe8ca208120112ce9a9bd01208abd0f1052d9b06f&

[zenith bolt]

this but regular special for bosses unless glory is charged

[bleak night]

ah, I see

[thin lantern]

Like I actually die constantly with them.

[zenith bolt]

lemme find my first win ss

[brittle prairie]

The special feels fairly hammer reliant

[spare kite]

run 11, right after eris went away from tart

[thin lantern]

I want to refine my eos torch build though. This thing is NASTY

[thin lantern]

Absolutely, except for point blank backshot omega, that does decently at base

[empty trellis]

what god boon is best for like projectile spam builds

[bleak night]

my first win was apparently Sister Blades lol https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1239410823135363133/image.png?ex=6642d2c7&is=66418147&hm=c36afc31437668c6239bb64c4ee31c49ee0a8e8fc9c1a38be6a8618c01efc8c6

[woeful frigate]

i see lol thanks everyone, shame what my phone thinks of the word boon

[thin lantern]

Poseidon.

[distant ocean]

lol aphrodite, poseidon, zeus, it really depends

[zenith bolt]

yeah, that tracks for me https://i.imgur.com/n9po7cr.jpeg

[brittle prairie]

thats more enemy size dependent which is still great but less catch all

[bleak night]

nice spin build

[thin lantern]

I legit can't use sister blades properly. I keep greeding and getting punished

[bleak night]

I'm quite terrible at them too, yeah

[thin lantern]

I need to try the 24 fear torch run with eos

[zenith bolt]

smiles https://i.imgur.com/BIYXOl0.png

[brittle prairie]

depends on the projectile, bug poseidon for blades is a common answer, id say sppollo for staff omega special but I could be mistaken

[charred flame]

Which aspect do you use?

[brittle prairie]

try artemis and just tinker with farming riposte

[distant ocean]

the Ω is so fast you can literally pause the game forever with it while sorting out your next three moves :B you just gotta teleports behind you embrace the weeb

[thin lantern]

Pan or Mel, I didn't upgrade Arty

[spare kite]

Chronos portrait is so ugly in the fear menu lmao, dude just stares at you

[empty trellis]

whats a good build for aspect of melonie staff, should i use the attack primarily or special

[charred flame]

Hate arty lol

[thin lantern]

Transistor.gif

[bleak night]

based on this pic, I think yours will also become 28/30 at the end, so probably not a bug with the Chaos trials https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1238927106679771230/image.png?ex=664261c8&is=66411048&hm=23b2b461c1813cbc31aff6821cce86019cbba3eccc70052be788a4c415c3045b

[distant ocean]

lol

[brittle prairie]

you dont need to upgrade Aryemis tbh, its fast enough and riposte doesnt scale with the uogrades

[zenith bolt]

well chaos trials i think are just missing persephone outright

[spare kite]

wait what does leveling up artemis do then

[bleak night]

that they are, yeah. It has 3 Aspect of Mel runs

[zenith bolt]

i think sister blades are bugged on testaments

[charred flame]

Yeah they never show up for me anymore

[bleak night]

Sister Blades ran out really quickly, yeah.

[brittle prairie]

Faster Omega Attack Chargevamd execution

[zenith bolt]

they disappeared after 8 for me

[main timber]

same

[bleak night]

It means they've ran out, I think. But Sister Blades never had any above 12 on mine

[thin lantern]

Hmmm. Sister Blades are missing two then I guess?

[bleak night]

must be, yeah

Also the Torches' Final Fear requirement for the Testmant is 24 Fear btw

[brittle prairie]

I cant believe aspects of my early access game are incomplete

[spare kite]

bleh

[thin lantern]

I kinda feel like Eos might trivialize that with the correct build. Chronos' blind spot is behind him.

[bleak night]

I did, yeah. I decided to also just 32 it

[brittle prairie]

the important part is Riposte/Parry which dont need to be upgraded to be strong

[thin lantern]

Also Hera attack Eos absolutely deletes rooms so I think it should handle mindlessly chewing through hourglasses

Eos is just such a chill aspect.

[brittle prairie]

free 50% crit rate is nuts on daggers

[thin lantern]

Moros would struggle mostly because moros no work good

SGG pls patch moros bugs

[brittle prairie]

Thantos bug too pls :)

[distant ocean]

I don't hate how eos feels

[thin lantern]

I want to blow up Chronos in one detonation.

Lmao. Moros if it worked could probably just phase chronos every 6 seconds

Just... Explosives™️

[thin lantern]

Yes. Than bug sucks because it hits the worst AND the best hammers

[zenith bolt]

won run ? https://i.imgur.com/j1uLFoI.png

[thin lantern]

Colossus tackle is pretty poggers

But I dream of a 5 shell full salvo persephone run.

Or a 4 shell autoloading full salvo.

[dawn cape]

I ended up with a build with a gameplan of "charge the pounce hex, activate it for a guaranteed crit, then use the overkill staff special hammer to try and crit for ludicrous damage"

[thin lantern]

I want the Jericho missile build

[distant ocean]

what hammers do you usually take for eos

[dawn cape]

I'm guessing all weapons have at least one thing that can do absurd damage off of the guaranteed pounce crit

[brittle prairie]

Its literally so tragic cause taking damage once just nukes the strength of the aspect when combined woth the best stuff

[thin lantern]

Furious fire and clean candle are the obvious dubs. Still haven't rolled split shot but it should be peak, if it doubles attacks

[brittle prairie]

it does

[spare kite]

wolf howl crit mentioned!! my beloved

[brittle prairie]

its insane

[distant ocean]

cool ty

[thin lantern]

Then those are the three BiS hammers. Just stack them and aphro dash/curse type attack for big profits.

[brittle prairie]

you just have to adjust your dash to comoensate for the trajectory changes

[thin lantern]

Does anyone know if cyclone dash works on torch attacks?

[dawn cape]

Though of course I died in chronos trying to go for the mega hit when I should have just been firing the 10 mana version of the special instead

[brittle prairie]

but it makes it very engaging

[pastel bison]

Aight Artemis riposte on Chronos phase 2 huge attack is so fun

[thin lantern]

Oh, that's fun. So you just get ghosts flying at bizarre angles to delete everything in sight?

Also. Hmm. I wonder if full sprinting with Apollo dash epic would be enough to just kite eos ghosts forever?

[brittle prairie]

Yep, they hit once on the way out forvthe first target, can damage other targets after being doubled and hit twice on the way back

[thin lantern]

Literally just lightcycle build or some nonsensical meme like that.

[brittle prairie]

insane for fixed damage stacking

[thin lantern]

Does the double apply on firing like double moonshot or on hit?

[brittle prairie]

on hit

[thin lantern]

That sounds ape with poseidon attack tbh.

[willow phoenix]

What's a good build for zeus attack/special? Does the curse effect gets removed after getting triggered?

[thin lantern]

Or even zeus attack, because let's face it, you will reproc blitz at that point

[thin lantern]

Yes. Also you can try something like apollo cast dps with zeus blitz on an attack or special that hits quickly. Drop cast and just spam blitz procs.

[spare kite]

the aphro duo sounds funny but idk how good it is (dash into enemies to proc blitz and increased dmg)

[brittle prairie]

none stuff that hits often, Blitz activation delay really hurts Zeus attack and special buffs

[thin lantern]

Apollo Zeus is also absurdly powerful for cast builds. Like actually broken strong

[thin lantern]

Sadly it's sprint so you can't get omega cheese with torches, unless it's zeus special mel torche- yes

[brittle prairie]

Right, but is that utilizing the Attack/Special zues boons?

[dark whale]

haphestus attack and special boons feel kinda bad. am i just using the wrong builds?

[thin lantern]

I know what to do. Aphro Zeus duo. Mel torches. Zeus special. Just have the spinning fireballs surrounding you constantly, and then sprint into everything at full speed

[willow phoenix]

What do you mean activation delay? There's a delay between hitting the required damage and the lightning?

[thin lantern]

Just explode everything with lightning over and over.

[brittle prairie]

They need high rarity and level for max benefit, attack suffers more than special, if you want best hapheastus burst damage spec into Rare or higher Dash

[dawn cape]

Is the sheep hex the most worthless hex because it does nothing in bossfights, or does it have a path of stars to work on bosses?

[thin lantern]

They're bad without high rarity or lots of poms, then they can be very consistent. Duo boons can make them really pop off. Heph is best with special or dash, best to ignore attack for most cases

[brittle prairie]

id consoder dash significantly better than special too

[thin lantern]

250 damage on bosses node on path. It sheeps the adds though and is spammable ish, so you can use it on, say, chronos hourglasses

[dark whale]

ty both of you. which weapons does he work best with

[brittle prairie]

by a lot

[thin lantern]

For sure, although a high rare and level special works better with the double hit duo

[dawn cape]

Is that a rare node or a common node you can get multiple of?

[brittle prairie]

stuff that likes to run around a lot

[thin lantern]

Was blue last I tried

[forest veldt]

ya there is quite a delay between hitting dmg required and the lightning

[dawn cape]

That's still not that useful but it's at least something

[thin lantern]

Question about blitz: Can you reproc it during the delay?

[pastel bison]

Do you guys try to rock +% Rare and Epic Arcana cards? Struggling to find a setup that gets those with everything else I want?

[thin lantern]

If you can reproc blitz while its activation is going off, then the delay isn't a big deal

[brittle prairie]

I dont think so

[forest veldt]

u cant

[thin lantern]

Hmm. Could use a buff then if so

[tall notch]

Ahahaha the inferno bomb pact in Oceanus with the +60% mobs in rooms vow is hilarious

[brittle prairie]

I do personally goven that poms are quite uncommon in this relative to H1

[forest veldt]

if htey removed the delay it would be good and compete w/ poseidon

[thin lantern]

The floor is lava

[thin lantern]

Megapoms even the gap.

Mega poms are incredibly good.

[pastel bison]

Which Row do you take all cards in to get the Epic one?

[thin lantern]

Also just try for king/queen's ransom 4Head

[brittle prairie]

very late run

[forest veldt]

need to be using a build that rly wants epic boons to make worth and likes everything in a row. i haven't found to be worth in anything i've used

[mental tundra]

guys what is actually the best weapon like the one that has the most potential

[thin lantern]

Top. Best row.

[bleak night]

depends on your weapon

[tall notch]

I took the curse thinking it's gonna be free as usual, confidently went into my first room, started blasting with Eos torches... and suddenly they're carpet boming me

[willow phoenix]

Zeus doesn't seem that strong then other than his cast. Seems like for spam build poseidon is better as it offers flat damage

[brittle prairie]

2nd row personally but top is also very low maintenance for it

[thin lantern]

Wheeze. Got the fish room, eh?

[spare kite]

Oh no

[tired fulcrum]

I think poms also give less damage on % boons than in 1, the first pom at least

[tall notch]

His prime gives insane damage while not taking a boon slot, it compliments the poseidon builds nicely

[pastel bison]

That's what I thought too, row 4 pretty good too if you can keep The Queen on

[thin lantern]

I just drop the queen nowadays. Too many useful 1 grasp and 2 grasp

[pastel bison]

Ah interesting, feels like the Hex one is a little useless but other than that I like it

[forest veldt]

i think 1st and 4th good, 1st cheap and 4th generic strong

[brittle prairie]

He has a couple very strong skills in his back pocket

[thin lantern]

The rampdown in particular is actually what hurts tbh

[brittle prairie]

I find it quite useful

[willow phoenix]

Ah yes the old chain lightning lol

[pastel bison]

Fair enough, I am a Hex hater I guess

[tired fulcrum]

Poms just dont feel like they add much

[spare kite]

Turns out that zeus best boon is just his old attack lmao

[thin lantern]

Zeus can put in work. His classic chain lightning is goated even as a frickin 50 prime

[bleak night]

I still think there's space down there for 10 more grasp in the future https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1239416067693084692/image.png?ex=6642d7a9&is=66418629&hm=2af58510b59c9bc352fab97b4c8d495323f765d359cc6c3388ea60204c98cfa8

[brittle prairie]

Hexes are extremely strong and can hard carry an otherwise mediocre build

[bleak night]

Wolf Howl's great at it, yeah

[thin lantern]

Give me the grapes

[brittle prairie]

Even the Concentrated Beam attack, of you invest in it is a free cronos hp deleter

[spare kite]

Wolf howl my beloved

[thin lantern]

We need Dio to get the other ten grapes.

[bleak night]

and of course, the Healing one can salvage runs

[tall notch]

Time stop hex is really good, even if it doesn't work on Chronos you're still taking advantage of it for the remainder of the run

[charred flame]

The combo with morphing enemies and teleporting them into your cast is absolutely brutal

[thin lantern]

The actual most OP upgrade has to be the last 3 seconds one tbh

[charred flame]

Especially with pan blade blitz special

[brittle prairie]

Me face tanking Chronos with 24 Heals:

[civic ocean]

I find it so hard to get a Hex though like it begs for Arcana and Keepsakes but with no way to summon it consistently it doesn't feel worth the investment for Night and the keepsake

[thin lantern]

Like... You can just ctrl+z Eris. Repeatedly. It's the funniest thing

[bleak night]

lol

[pastel bison]

Can we just get 34 Grasp please that would solve all my problems

[brittle prairie]

get the replenish extra on fountains one and never use it til chronos

[spare kite]

If you are running pos just take double up, chances are that it will double a path of stars at some point

[bleak night]

let them make it 40 pls

[brittle prairie]

ah thats crazy

[thin lantern]

Double up is so good, lmao. I love how busted Poseidon is

[spare kite]

Double up is hilarious

[civic ocean]

I love how our solutions to pretty much every problem at this point is just "eh just run Poseidon"

[red perch]

skull build suggestions? just unlocked em and did a run with em. 3rd boss wrecked me, but ive only beaten it a few other times on other weapons. Still need some materials to unlock aspects

[thin lantern]

Like, his flourish is overkill but his support power is the funniest thing ever

[dusk sandal]

yeah

[tall notch]

Poor Poseidon is going to get nerfed so hard

[spare kite]

Abandoned tidal dash and instead gave us... All of this

[thin lantern]

Just having him repeatedly shout YES YES like M. Bison through the whole of the Fields is choice

[brittle prairie]

add anothervrow of cards in return to make planning harder

[civic ocean]

Slip Splash here's a million in cash

[spare kite]

YES HAHA - wet uncle

[bleak night]

go for Apollo Attack and Aphro or Demeter Special and pray you get the Apollo Legendary https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238563141974229032/1239197571285651527/image.png?ex=6642b4ec&is=6641636c&hm=ef24d110408c75ea81ee994933ab005e335efdb4db74748c71383fc76f06b64b

[thin lantern]

There is only one thing that's overtuned on poseidon and that's flourish imo

[bleak night]

Nothing like turning your 3 skull ammo into effectively 6

[spare kite]

Double up chance feels way higher than it is

[red perch]

much appreciated

[thin lantern]

Everything else feels great. His loot boons are perfect where they are

[bleak night]

good luck with the run

[tall notch]

I mean double up cloning things that aren't resources feels silly too. I got it to double the rerolls from Narcissus

[civic ocean]

I mean something is wrong with Double Up, right, either the text is wrong or the move isn't working right

[thin lantern]

*and occasionally 9 with extra dose? Or does it proc individually instead

[brittle prairie]

No its just really strong

[tired fulcrum]

Huh with master conductor zeus prime can bounce 3 times to the same target

[thin lantern]

They are presented as pickups.

[bleak night]

I've never gotten Extra Dose to work on my Omega Attacks

[thin lantern]

I think double up is completely fine.

[thin lantern]

Ah right. Doesn't say omegas. Dammit.

[earnest nacelle]

I got it to double the random boon from narc

[tall notch]

But aren't minor rewards supposed to be things like materials? That 6 grasp arcana which turns minor rewards into major ones can't transform poms into boons for example

[brittle prairie]

on random boons??? thats crazy

[spare kite]

Is minor rewards + similar rewards per the wording
Everything else falls on the second

[thin lantern]

Narcissus specifically may be bugged.

[civic ocean]

The text says "minor find" but Centaur Hearts, Mana Pots, and Gold are in the Major Find pool for Artificer

[spare kite]

It can even copy elements

[earnest nacelle]

The narc rewards are all considered minor for some reason I think

[thin lantern]

Artificer might be broken, too

[civic ocean]

Yeah something doesn't add up of course

[spare kite]

Proccing double up on triple poms is so funny

[thin lantern]

Minor and Major isn't really consistent right now

[zenith bolt]

not on my 20 fear run, nem PLEASE https://i.imgur.com/XNHOQYV.jpeg

[bleak night]

she gives you a free death defiance refresh, no ?

[zenith bolt]

she gave me 50 magick lol

[bleak night]

oh, huh. She gave me a dd refresh that I couldn't pick up because I didn't lose one yet lol

[tired fulcrum]

wait she can do that

[spare kite]

"Minor rewards or similar resource reward" so everything else just falls into the latter then lmao, ig they are resources?

[civic ocean]

Just cleared 20 fear 40% grandpa 5 min deadline with the Axe, I didn't get the god luck but I am really interested with Than combined with Demeter + Apollo + Zeus and Omega Spin + Omega Cast

I won basically because Psychic Whirlwind is stupid

[tired fulcrum]

Double up can even affect hex upgrades

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927694753116614746/1239418279076958301/image.png?ex=6642d9b9&is=66418839&hm=0db663e2b9dfad4c47e8cd1e6ad4bd4d476fb44fcb1ca0bd02cf790c213d0773&
nothing about the wording of this suggests that poms and the likes should ever count

[brittle prairie]

Yeah that has to be unintentional then

[tired fulcrum]

Youre reading the wrong part

[spare kite]

the boon itself mentions the latter part of similar resource
either bug or bad explanations (cuz what other resource would it mean)

[thin lantern]

40% grandpa?

[civic ocean]

40% faster

[vagrant wadi]

Does anyone else feel like omega casts are the most strong damage right now and they're trying to overtune it early so we get used to using new toys?

[tired fulcrum]

Well theres momus

[tall notch]

I'm pretty confident that "resources" are things that go into Meli's bag and stay with you after runs

[brittle prairie]

Not really?

[thin lantern]

Oh. I was wondering if you managed to unlock the super secret "he's only 2/5 reconstituted from Tartarus" gramps

[civic ocean]

not after 79 nights but I persist

[vagrant wadi]

Do I have brain damage then? Everytime I try to focus on attack or special DPS I feel like a wet noodle, what am I missing

[brittle prairie]

Probably the right damage multipliers and using the right omega moves depending on the weapon

[vagrant wadi]

Like the "I'm ending the fight by stunlocking a normal enemy for a good 5 seconds" times got me feeling stupid

[civic ocean]

Omega casts are really strong but like once you get the admittedly super slow Metascaling snowball rolling you start not wanting to wait for your damage to come out

[tall notch]

That's where Zeus omega cast comes in! No need to wait as it starts blasting immediately

[bleak night]

what's that now ?

[vagrant wadi]

By metascaling snowball you mean like unlocking more stuff like the tarot cards?

[dark whale]

best god for aspect of pan?

[brittle prairie]

Poseidon Probably

[pastel bison]

poseidon

[civic ocean]

Yes, I have max grasp anmd the full deck upgraded as well as my favourite aspects

[dark whale]

fr? not apollo?

[tall notch]

Poseidon special and Demeter/Hestia cast, Demeter for safety Hestia for damage

[civic ocean]

Apollo Hestia is good, Posiedon is OP right now so he's always good

[dark whale]

huh. ty all

[spare kite]

aphro special is also fun, you either just hug the enemies anyways or get the (wait for it) poseidon duo

[vagrant wadi]

I feel like for Hades 1 I didn't notice that the game made me more powerful because I was learning, but now that I have a ton of experience I really notice how weak I feel even though I mechanically feel like I'm playing well

[thin lantern]

Joke

[bleak night]

oh, I thought that was real dialogue

[vagrant wadi]

Especially with strife that's such a stupid mechanic

[spare kite]

strife will go away after some runs dw

[strange kite]

@bleak night how do u fight kronos with axe? i just had the smoothest axe run but kronos took 2dd on low heat

[tall notch]

I can forgive the strife "blessing" because Eris is cute

[bleak night]

what part of it did you have trouble with

[strange kite]

without the channel slow time which basically melts everything but kronos its a pain

[brittle prairie]

Strife is to prevent people from winning too quickly to outpace story, after about 8-12 runs its gone

[strange kite]

uhh probably just getting in damage while kronos is comboing

[thin lantern]

Based

[spare kite]

also obligatory https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1163871918873645066/1232885497378898021/20240109_164823.jpg?ex=6642d098&is=66417f18&hm=4eea9ebbea329d61ff18fc4de69589c4b0fd2185abbbd8f42d9e0aaedb1396f6& /lh

[bleak night]

You can block the hits point-blank, then dash behind him and start charging there

[strange kite]

the 3 hit combo is a pain and the boomerang is a pain as usual if u get too close

[civic ocean]

Yeah the block is super underrated on the axe I always forget I can block Chronos

[bleak night]

Sometimes the thing is clunky and if the sickle he boomerangs is thrown out, you have to block in his direction rather than the actual projectile

probably a bug atm

[strange kite]

okay so block hits and then charge?

[vagrant wadi]

You guys are gods at the game, is the boon from wheelchair man actually good or does my lizard brain just love the sound too much

[strange kite]

the block works on the cleaves and dash combo?

[willow phoenix]

Can enemies hit by poseidon attacks crash into walls? Can't seem to get them to crash to walls other than through poseidon sprint or cast

[bleak night]

Pretty much, yeah. It also helps if you have some boon on Shield to either do a status curse or just plain Heph

[tall notch]

@strange kite Have you seen my video of blasting Chronos with axe? I posted it here some time ago

[spare kite]

attack/special won't knockback the enemy you are hitting

[bleak night]

Yes, but move out of the way after because the little rupture in the fabric of space and time he creates afterwards can't be blocked no matter where I aim the shield at

[pastel bison]

thats a change from H1 right?

[spare kite]

yeah

[civic ocean]

yes

[pastel bison]

Poseidon nerfed, worst god Cope

[strange kite]

also i got melted sorta hard in phase 2 with like time freeze suuc and running into a clock hand

[civic ocean]

true

[spare kite]

is a buff lmao

[pastel bison]

oh lmao

[strange kite]

literally the entire rest of the run was hilariously easy especially with psychic spin

[spare kite]

the biggest buff to pos was being swapped to flat dmg actually

[bleak night]

that'll take you time to get used to since you're playing a melee weapon. Though I gotta say that since you're used to ranged weaponry, you might want to try Eris' way of playing Thanatos Axe

Omega Cast Zeus will bring your Thanatos Axe numbers back up to 20 rapidly because Omega Cast counts for the weapon's passive

[strange kite]

oh i was running un upgraded max 4 crit thanatos

[bleak night]

Ah, you're basically playing Mel then lol

[spare kite]

"my attack does 25 a hit" (flirting)
"my attack does +30% dmg" (harassment)

[tall notch]

I did manage to finally clear 32 heat with it btw

[bleak night]

Axe takes a while to get used to, so if you wanna get into it you kinda have to make do with the fact that you'll be facetanking hits if you go in trigger-happy

[civic ocean]

Something you might not be aware of is you can begin the spin with a dash so you can start charging as Chronos winds up then dash behind him

[bleak night]

Ah, nice. Was the boon luck good ?

btw East, you like Axes too doncha ?

[civic ocean]

Not particularly I like all the weapons I'm just going through the testaments rn and getting used to 40% speed

[tall notch]

Rare cast with 4 poms at the end, no Demeter. But I changed the pact around and got one that was far less punishing

[bleak night]

What was it ?

[civic ocean]

Just did Test 20 with axe so fresh in my mind I guess

[bleak night]

Try the meme Axe build

[tall notch]

I stopped running -100% healing

[strange kite]

ohhh i didnt know that. it seems like spin can be either dash canceled into sprint by releasing or into spin by holding

[bleak night]

I never set mine under 50% jfc

[civic ocean]

only on momus

[spare kite]

stubborn defiance strats gone

[tall notch]

I thought I can replace it with armor stack strats but found it wasn't really consistent enough

[civic ocean]

Take Strength on Antler Momus and run into the thorns at the start of act 3 easyyyy

[tall notch]

Maybe if I target Heph armor boons, but if I want other gods no way

[small wyvern]

just wanted to pop in with a quick reminder to keep it clean very belatedly

[desert shell]

Is Apollo or Zeus cast better for DPS?

[night gazelle]

Ok Eos is better than it reads once you know it triggers on a dash, not just a sprint

[sleek thorn]

Which keepsakes y'all using?

[pastel bison]

2940 crit with Artemis this is so legit

[bleak night]

damn

[bleak night]

for which area ?

[spare kite]

god keepsake x2, chaos/tooth for fields/tart

[bleak night]

no Concave Stone ?

also no Experimental Hammer ? Been using that one a lot

[spare kite]

I don't have it leveled it up

[tall notch]

I feel like it can kill runs on some weapons so it's a bit risky

[spare kite]

and I don't see the appeal of C.stone

[bleak night]

it should still be good for Tartarus unlevelled, iirc ?

[bleak night]

for Axe, yeah

[strange kite]

god 1, god2/chaos, chaos/hammer, tooth/medea keepsake

[bleak night]

still, I just enjoy gambling it all the time

[bleak night]

You can start running Lion Fang if you're on Momus for damage at the end

[spare kite]

also tooth is bc I've been running judgement and sometimes I just don't get the defiances lmao

[tall notch]

Boon luck gives me my fair share of gambling as is

[bleak night]

it's +50% damage increase that reduces by 5% per encounter, so if you speedrun Tartarus, you'd still have +25% flat on everything, compared to Medea's Omega only

[strange kite]

yeah i could start running it to get it leveled up but im also still in the middle of leveling medea as well

[tall notch]

It's 50% maxxed out? Damn I need to level it some time

[sleek thorn]

I've been really missing the butterfly/plume, hoping the final game gets something like them

[bleak night]

that's only for the first encounter though, I wish the decrease wasn't so drastic, maybe 2.5% per

[bleak night]

Hoping we get them as well, a reward for not getting hit

[sleek thorn]

They were nice rewards for an extra challenge, finding it hard to get excited about benefits that decay over a run

[strange kite]

how much is evil eye at max?

if evil eye is like 40 or something it might be great for tartarus

[bleak night]

lemme check

[strange kite]

cuz we all know evil eye is almost permastuck on kronos

[spare kite]

40% iirc

[zenith bolt]

holy crap what a truly garbage run https://i.imgur.com/2VX3npM.jpeg

[strange kite]

woah nice

[zenith bolt]

me dragging this godawful run kicking and screaming across the finish line

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1239423849129447454/image.png?ex=6642dee9&is=66418d69&hm=6b9480d8a9ba740601e9c6be35a44665c54fef12b41075279084fc5ea24c078e nah it's kinda mid

[zenith bolt]

my like 2 whole boons and 3 whole damage

[strange kite]

oof. it's trash

[bleak night]

just run Lion Fang so you also do +25% damage to the minions he spawns

[strange kite]

yeah and the 50% makes the chambers go better too

[civic ocean]

I wonder if they'll be adding a 6th floor to Tart

[orchid fog]

is there any consensus on powerful aspects yet? like, something that's well known to just be really good? I'm experimenting with the daggers aspects and they don't feel very impactful

[strange kite]

i mean u can extend tart if u want to with the optional rooms

[civic ocean]

Most well items can be purchased before tarty starts and work on Chronos which seems pretty busted

[tall notch]

Momus staff is busted

[bleak night]

Momus and Pan above everything else atm

I'd say Thanatos and Persephone only slightly under those two

[civic ocean]

The closest I've seen and felt to consensus is that Than seems much better than the other axes and Momus seems much better than anything the series has had before

[bleak night]

Charon and Than are hard to compare because the playstyles are just so drastically different

[weak wave]

i've been pretty partial to thanatos scythe

[orchid fog]

Good to know. Thank you. I tried the Artemis Knives and well... having the Omega Slowdown arcana really screws with that IMO

[bleak night]

Charon is an axe that prefers to stay away, and I find it so jarring to use as a result

[strange kite]

i like that tart goes by relatively fast although i also think maybe like each room should just give a small batch of minor rewards. it feels weird that im kneecapping my meta progression speed by going through tartarus and clapping kronos instead of dying on cerb

[civic ocean]

I think that's one case where story kinda trumps

[orchid fog]

I'm going to give a really weird take here

[strange kite]

or maybe we need an incantation that can breaking bad kronos remains into white powder

[spare kite]

extending your tart run also increases the number of enemy spawns right, it gets pretty funny later on

[zenith bolt]

https://i.imgur.com/LwfkP7j.png

[bleak night]

Torch time mfer

[strange kite]

actually lemme but that into feedback right now lmao

[edgy lava]

does anyone know if engraved pin only working once is intended even if you have multiple dd or is it a bug?

[civic ocean]

imagine how good the pin would be if it worked every defiance holy moly

[weak wave]

Yeah I wished i realized that the first time going thru tart, took every reward path offered

[orchid fog]

Bosses from Hardest to Easiest:

1: Chronos
2: Polytheumus
3: Scylla
4: Hecate
5: Beast
6: ??? (haven't fought Eris yet)

ENJOY this really hot take

[spare kite]

Cerby getting bullied lmao

[bleak night]

Polyphemus being hard I can see because the hitboxes are janky and his leap somehow makes you lick up 20 damage

it's kind of weird to fight something like that

[spare kite]

Poly I accept it bc green sheep are a menace

[orchid fog]

He's a really awkward fight. I have... lots of trouble.

[civic ocean]

Poly is also weird and kinda hard to quick kill

[zenith bolt]

chronos > eris > cerberus and polyphemus switch depending on my mood > scylla > hecate

[mint cedar]

But also if you play really far away poly can’t do much

[orchid fog]

In general I think Beast is literally free.

[zenith bolt]

sometimes cerberus is like free for me and sometimes i take like 180 damage and am left sobbing

[orchid fog]

I would buff him tbh.

[spare kite]

I don't like the AoE of his attacks, is easy to dodge but annoying

[zenith bolt]

cerberus is kinda scary on higher heat (especially the charging slams on +speed)

[orchid fog]

maybe rotational speed when grounded or give some rear facing attacks you have to dash through/dodge

[civic ocean]

Yeah if you're not under deadline cerberus and polyphemus aren't really very challenging because you can just kinda kite them

[orchid fog]

I use Aprho knives and I literally just bully him.

[bleak night]

hardest boss imo is Tight Deadline 3's timer

[zenith bolt]

lol true

[spare kite]

real

[zenith bolt]

sub 20 is like actually really hard i think

[civic ocean]

im 1 for 1 so far but I fear it will not be so easy

[orchid fog]

Sadly I have not beaten Chronos and thus do not know the horrors of this Pact of Punishment

[weak wave]

that's me but with scylla for some reason, I either destroy them or end up using like two death defies

[orchid fog]

But I did get the 32 Heat statue in the first game so... I'm confident at least, even if I think Hades II is much harder than the first game.

[zenith bolt]

so far i've kept with the trend of like "i never DD unless it's chronos or eris" which im happy with

[bleak night]

you can turbocheese the 32 Fear statue dw

[zenith bolt]

skull actually felt decent to me just spamming omega special and such on persephone so that's good

torches im either gonna have a revelation or get carried by good rng

[orchid fog]

I used Zag Fists in the first game with the Lambent Plume on does that count as Turbocheese?

[civic ocean]

I have a really hard time reading what Scylla is going to do when her back turns to the camera and the guitarist is hard to follow as well

[edgy tusk]

Question about the aspect of Thanatos. If you get hit can you start the the +1% damage bonus over? Or do you lose it for the whole run

[weak wave]

I can't stand the skull when going through the ships, so many times I get skulls bounced into fire

[civic ocean]

it resets

[distant ocean]

https://ibb.co/2grWyLY dang, it's even better than I thought, damage reduction too?

[zenith bolt]

nemesis eating my echo on my 20 fear run really like killed my brain and i was on panic for all of tartarus

[bleak night]

I've never really put much stock into dodge chance before, so I'm unsure

[orchid fog]

The game has not offerred me a duo boon yet. It's weird.

[spare kite]

I love that duo but I forget I have it and just hug the enemies anyways

[zenith bolt]

i went God Gamer mode, also hephaestus armor boon carried a bit

[distant ocean]

I probably won't change my habits either, but it's interesting

[bleak night]

Unrelated, but I've been testing my hybrid controller setup lately

[zenith bolt]

any boon that helps you handle random chip from various things is a great boon imo

[distant ocean]

two controllers?

[bleak night]

Control stick for movement + mouse with 4 buttons on the side

[distant ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/jontron-double-hack-gif-12532468

[bleak night]

scroll wheel for Hex

[orchid fog]

might as well get a flight stick if you're going for something like that XD

[zenith bolt]

i think for 32 im just gonna rock momus with low hp build and pray for good rng

[weak wave]

I'm having a stroke imagining that setup

[bleak night]

You should see how I used to play controller, I have a claw grip on my right hand when I play Axe, so I was able to do some animation cancels

[spare kite]

can't wait for the person who did a run of the 1st game with a pomegranate to come back

[zenith bolt]

but im gonna finish my testaments and a few other things before i bother

[distant ocean]

bring some rerolls so you don't have to pray lol

[weak wave]

i forgot about that lmao

[zenith bolt]

momus low hp run with just like huntress 6 rerolls and judgment

[orchid fog]

Look I'm from an era where Monster Hunter finally started getting localized on the PSP and we had no camera stick, and the camera was controlled by the D-pad above the control nub (which wasn't a proper constrol stick). Do not speak to me of the claw! lol damn the good days...

[zenith bolt]

actually judgment bad for low hp run isnt it

[distant ocean]

you can indeed reroll major find doors into hammer doors

[civic ocean]

super bad

[spare kite]

you get centaur and is over

[bleak night]

Claw hand is fun

[orchid fog]

So it is just me or are hammers limited to one per run instead of two like the first game?

[honest lodge]

okay, so in the whole pan with pos special vs a percentage damage boost special, I just realized there's a hammer where special gets +5 power per special hit. I got that offered in the same run as icarus offered +20 special power. Having these with a percentage damage bonus be would completely insane

[bleak night]

I definitely find 2 per run

[zenith bolt]

centaur and titan kill da idea i suppose

[civic ocean]

its jsut you

[bleak night]

you can get 3 if Echo gives you a 3rd one and a 4th if you put on Experimental Hammer

[zenith bolt]

5 if you get the anvil

[spare kite]

was gonna say yeah, 5 hammers

[bleak night]

That too, yeah

[weak wave]

hammer time

[orchid fog]

Dang no image permissions here. I was gonna post something lol

[spare kite]

and then mel hammered all over the place

[thin lantern]

upload in a DM or private server and copypaste link

[magic hill]

i love charon axe so much, being able to play so defensively with casts is really fun

[bleak night]

I post it on a private server and just copy the link of the image on browser so I can post here

[spare kite]

actually pan with all the special hammers sounds hilarious

[thin lantern]

it is, in fact, exactly as insane as you think

[zenith bolt]

i wonder what the 6th wep will look like

[weak wave]

im curious too

[orchid fog]

that is terrifyingly smart

[thin lantern]

book book book book

[weak wave]

im kinda hoping for a sword, or spellbook

[bleak night]

Sniper wishlist so it's a gun in theme but a bow in playstyle

[honest lodge]

also, the percentage bonus damage from heph infusion applies, no?

[spare kite]

https://youtu.be/N1nF38mpB68 I get to post this again

[zenith bolt]

its a shame melinoe is no fan of bows

[pastel bison]

I would like a crossbow

[bleak night]

modern bow

[zenith bolt]

not happening probably

[orchid fog]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/819536635850129419/1239427605011238912/sddefault.png?ex=6642e268&is=664190e8&hm=18431d748c578977b725f0a7f0bf29938a701d11dde04406e0d3c5a3f349ff89&

[magic hill]

i would love a gun, aspect of hestia 2.0 is something I need

[orchid fog]

This is how we used to Monster Hunter

[pastel bison]

forgot about that conversation, you are probs right

[zenith bolt]

bows are p much deconfirmed by multiple instances of dialogue that suggest melinoe is not fond of using bows

[bleak night]

Oh, it's the opposite for me. The left is thumb, the right is claw. But using the dpad, I can see it needing that

I have my right hand on the controller as if it's Tekken

[spare kite]

Mel got skill issued with bows

[orchid fog]

index finger is using the D-pad while the thumb uses the control nub

[honest lodge]

exactly. What all bonuses did you have on that?

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1239078158636945418/image.png?ex=664245b5&is=6640f435&hm=a119435fdb6eb576ceaf47b36420f8765c4322f0881e8bbd59368d8becdca151&

[bleak night]

realistically though, with all the roman numerals being there despite the Greeks not originally using them, I'd think a Gladius as a 6th weapon would make sense

[honest lodge]

with hook knives for extra hits. Nice

[signal robin]

descura has a hammer where it literally just doubles your main attack damage for free no drawbacks

[orchid fog]

How is the knife aspect that sounds like discount Chiron Bow? Where your knives hone in on enemies in a cast circle?

[spare kite]

a lot better than chiron for sure

[zenith bolt]

oh yeah time for me to complain

[bleak night]

An interesting weapon for the 6th would probably be Trident and Fishing Net, come to think of it, like gladiators use

[zenith bolt]

hate these dudes and also hate these dudes
https://i.imgur.com/qMCcEwy.png https://i.imgur.com/mNhdT1R.png

[bleak night]

I only dislike the second one because he vacuums me from the other side of the screen

[spare kite]

https://youtu.be/bFEJFqqmcuU here's vs chronos

[bleak night]

The little ones that chase I don't find too much of an issue

[zenith bolt]

"i wish i had the control of the game completely ripped away from me every 3 seconds" said no one ever

[spare kite]

main difference was getting another chaos special/huntress activated

[zenith bolt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/362939825000677377/1239428911708897350/20_fear_skull_chronos.mp4?ex=6642e3a0&is=66419220&hm=58c7f74c12cdfc5e751f0aa1c7ac2beafac509a48e5ee9bad29d57922bed4b90& here's that godawful skull run

[mint cedar]

It also triggers my dodge

[spare kite]

the 2nd enemy is annoying

[signal robin]

anytime I see hestias symbol I disregard any build I had in mind and go for her because she’s my favorite character

[strange kite]

wait hol up does arcana 3 huntress NOT work for omega specials???

[obsidian stirrup]

I got artemis, why do you ask? Haven't had much time to go over it but I'll add to whatever feedback is needed

[desert shell]

Anyone know what the prereqs for the Zeus/Apollo Duo are? My build is basically exclusively Zeus and Apollo and they're not giving me it

[spare kite]

is it just attack/special

[zenith bolt]

my biggest regret was taking the barrier vow on skull

oh my god, it is so bad

[honest lodge]

Yeah, the build I'm liking RN is take hera or aphro (this one is great if you're comfortable firing off close range. Hera is great for CC), then you take hestia and heph. Hestia has good mana regen and the fireball cast and heph has the mana to life, good defensive boons, and attack and maybe sprint with vent. You build up a lot of fire with this and can take hestia infusion for more base damage as well. If you take hera over aphro you can maybe get enough earth for the heph infusion. Anyway you don't attack often but every 10 secs or so you get that huge heph damage plus vent later.

[obsidian stirrup]

My bad, mobile is weird now

[strange kite]

bruuh that's so bad.

i thought the first row was goated but no it sux for even omega builds

[earnest nacelle]

heph armor boon makes u unsuckable at least

[spare kite]

scammed by huntress damn

[strange kite]

momus stays winning

[spare kite]

I'll win in the long run when I see it nerfed

[formal wyvern]

hestia-hera duo boon seems broken with the torch weapon? If you spam noram attack with it itll repeatedly apply the burn

[ripe jasper]

It seems good yeah

[honest lodge]

what's that boon do?

[formal wyvern]

while chanelling omega moves, apply 80 burn in an aoe around you

[honest lodge]

oh yeah I've gotten that

[spare kite]

my build path for Pan blades rn is start pos and grab either attack or special whatever shows up first, if I take attack I'll do aphro into oceanus

[thin lantern]

working as intended, fun time

[formal wyvern]

on other weapons it only does it once per charged omega move, but you can spam it out a lot with the torch weapon

[mighty heart]

is knuckle bones or lucky tooth better for the final boss? i haven't beaten him yet

[ripe jasper]

is Beach Ball just useless?

[spare kite]

depends on hp I think, the bigger the hp pool knuckle bones gets better

[lunar valley]

Well, the fresh file run used beach ball for what its worth

[honest lodge]

I usually will reroll to get the one I want on the first chamber haha. I run lots of rerolls usually

[mighty heart]

i have 200 after beating the dog

[spare kite]

it allows me some variation so I like it (and don't have many rolls yet)

[zenith bolt]

i have needed the tooth less and less

even on my tragic run that i just had, i still didn't need to bring it

BUT it makes me feel better, and that placebo is stronger than any keepsake

[spare kite]

was there a run 1 clear already?

[lunar valley]

Yea

[spare kite]

send link?

[hazy crane]

dang, I'm falling behind Only reached Sirens so far on fresh file

[formal wyvern]

i managed to get 5k scorch against polyphemus lmao

[bleak night]

Damn, really ?

[spare kite]

someone got like 77k scorch vs grandpa I think

[honest lodge]

But yeah when they expand olympus I'm really gonna like going non pos special with that icarus hammer for 20 special power. That said, the 50 damage explosive special is great for poseidon.

[zenith bolt]

ig for farming nightmare you just do 0 fear and hoard cash until last charon

[earnest nacelle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTAosw8g0NI

[zenith bolt]

and bring cat/fishing rod

[earnest nacelle]

from the speedrunning discord

[lunar valley]

White linked it faster

[distant ocean]

@bleak night in your lowlife build what do you give up, strength or sprint

I can't imagine giving up sprint would be useful for speedrunning but s'lotta damage given up too

or maybe you give up the DD and rely solely on toula?

[spare kite]

oh that bug was nasty

oh wait is sophie, lets gooo lmao

[mint pewter]

i need "she hates everybody, i hate everybody" on merch, immediately

[tall notch]

When I was trying a bit of speedrunning I didn't play DDs

[bleak night]

oh, the low life build for Antler? That one's not mine, I just copy Umi's lol

[lunar valley]

Naturally

[bleak night]

because clearing 50 Fear with it is kinda impressive

#h2-victory-boasting message

Avoiding the Centaur card on purpose so HP max never goes above 30

[spare kite]

also beach ball looks fun

[signal robin]

need this and a spindle plush

[distant ocean]

yeah, looks like he skips strength, thanks 🙂 it makes sense

too conditional

[lunar valley]

I got beach ball in the cerby chaos trial and it was super fun. I quite like it

[bleak night]

I'd imagine so, seeing how you die in literally one hit

enemy damage +100% and +300% damage taken on first hit

[potent gale]

Current Build right now is Demeter Sprint/Cast, Apollo/ Cast Expansion / Damage expire, Hestia Attack and Hera Special.

Aspect of Media.

The Infusions incorporated are insane

[distant ocean]

well, you could take lvl 2 toula...and die on purpose

with 100 life

[bleak night]

I kinda wish they'd buff Frinos since Toula just seems better

[zenith bolt]

frinos would be better if he like followed you ever instead of doing massive hops

[distant ocean]

toula can't body block annoying projectiles though

[zenith bolt]

ig they dont want projectile blocking to be like totally free

[spare kite]

Frinos is a better emotional support

[distant ocean]

honestly frinos is a great meat shield lol

[spare kite]

and the mental image of him just eating hecate's polymorph is hilarious

[distant ocean]

but yeah he deserves a little buffin

[distant ocean]

coughs up a sheep with fly wings that cusses her out joecartoon style

[ripe jasper]

I really like how Frinos can completely destroy Chronos's ring of orbs if he stands in the right place

[earnest nacelle]

frinos can tank every single eris shot and not care

[spare kite]

also eris is the only one who I've seen actually push Frinos around, if he gets hit point blank with the shotgun

[distant ocean]

this is the main one lol, there's not alot of defenses or play around the orbs he summons, but frinos, frinos existing is enough

if only he could block the spinny scythe.

[zenith bolt]

i think scythe throw is meant to punish being further away

cuz he never does it if you're close

[bleak night]

watch Frinos be some polymorph'd god, it's why he can tank hits like that

[zenith bolt]

athena was frinos all along...

[distant ocean]

lol hmmm who kisses witches?

[spare kite]

most of his attacks punish being in front of him /lh
poor grandpa has issues turning around

[earnest nacelle]

that's why she's missing

[thin lantern]

so we're gonna get mad at the frog for turning spider gf into spider?

[hazy oar]

i just had my first run with the flames and it felt pretty terrible 😭 how do i make them feel better 👀

[distant ocean]

frinos is the true hekate, the og, the egyptian, well not quite og, I'm sure the sumerian version existed first

[dusk sandal]

They look so cute

[distant ocean]

og heqet was frog goddess.

[desert shell]

Does shocking loss do anything to bosses?

[spare kite]

doubt it

[zenith bolt]

i very much doubt that an instakill effect would ever work on bosses

[spare kite]

also anyone has gotten winter harvest and see if it still has the cool animations on bosses

[zenith bolt]

yes, i've had it kill eris

[spare kite]

life is good then

[zenith bolt]

though idk if there's necessarily a special animation beyond the cold explosion that goes with it normally

[spare kite]

no big scythe over the boss?

[zenith bolt]

(this makes the game freak out a bit)

[marsh stirrup]

guys, i already have insight into offerings but there are no offering requirements in the codex, only the boons. what is the condition for it to appear?

[spare kite]

the infusions don't have pre requisites to appear, just to activate them

[jolly basalt]

Any good dash strike builds with axe?

[earnest nacelle]

they actually do but it's like 1 element of the type only to appear

[spare kite]

oops

[zenith bolt]

in hestia we trust https://i.imgur.com/4Gp5w3U.png

[earnest nacelle]

so you just randomly fulfill the prereq by choosing a boon of the god

[zenith bolt]

remind me, is kiss of styx the charon well item that restores a DD

[spare kite]

yeah

[zenith bolt]

alrighty, ig ill throw away some DDs when im farming moon dust later

[thin lantern]

hearth GAINS

[zenith bolt]

hearth gain is just goated

[bleak night]

this Chaos one is pretty much unfulfillable, right ? ||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1239436119733436437/image.png?ex=6642ea56&is=664198d6&hm=ed66580c2fde07c75d2d9f1aceb03810094254af93d6c6239d8897f04b24fe10||

Prowess and Finesse don't exist in the boon list

[zenith bolt]

maybe

i didnt even know there was one for defiance

[earnest nacelle]

it's legendary

[zenith bolt]

ok this is just weird https://i.imgur.com/hUyPlfI.png

not the first time i've had this happen though

[thin lantern]

Cherished Heirloom is kind of broken good, holy crap

[earnest nacelle]

https://imgur.com/R0CuUGU

[zenith bolt]

yeah i have no idea why it happens

[earnest nacelle]

certain hearts are locked behind event prereq I assume

dialogue or smth

[zenith bolt]

yea i think maybe nemesis at echo was what was preventing me getting that bath salts heart before

[thin lantern]

oh, if that's nem the last one is ambrosia too lmao

[zenith bolt]

i think all of them are ambrosia at the end

[thin lantern]

also. my eris is 100% locked :/ bugged, I can't even get her keepsake.

not hecate. you can't drink with stepmom

[civic ocean]

gift after she finishes talking

[desert shell]

Got the duo I need literally in the room before chronos

[civic ocean]

Okay I think I potentially have something for the Flames

To do high fear under 20 minutes

[thin lantern]

I don't have a gift button anymore

[zenith bolt]

yea echo took me the longest time to get her keepsake because i didn't know that you were supposed to gift the nectar after you interact with her (which, to be fair, is unlike literally any other character in this game)

[civic ocean]

you have to wait until after she gives you the boon and finishes talking

[tired fulcrum]

Idk if thats a bug or not

[zenith bolt]

they said eris not echo

[wild pine]

I'm having trouble getting all of Narcissus's gifts for the prophecy. Do Fate's Trimmings or Life Savings show up only under special conditions? Like do they require you to be using re-roll Arcana or something?

[civic ocean]

oh eris lmao

[strange kite]

jesus +40% eris is kinda insane when she stands in fire and snipes me from off screen

i hate the arena fire soooo much

[zenith bolt]

+40% speed eris is insane like 100% do not take that vow

[civic ocean]

just dont get hit

[zenith bolt]

+20% is reasonable though, i've adjusted to it already

[strange kite]

too late i already did 32 heat with +40% luul

[meager wadi]

whats the best aspect for witch staff? seems like melinoe

[zenith bolt]

momus

[civic ocean]

momus

[tired fulcrum]

Momus

[meager wadi]

is it just for the base dmg

[thin lantern]

dadus

[zenith bolt]

momus is 100% the best aspect in the game

[strange kite]

wait did i actually do it with +40%? i might have done it with +20%

[tired fulcrum]

Yep +30 is crazy

[tall notch]

Just cuddle the pillar, Eris is airheaded enough to charge into it eventually

[strange kite]

u might be right but im too impatient

[civic ocean]

Anyways I think there's something with the Flames going Mel aspect, Aph->Dem->Pos, and jsut stacking HP and running in circles

[strange kite]

also the last phase when shes teleporting around and she flies straight above me and snipes me from just offscreen is pure nonsense

[zenith bolt]

final phase eris is just like die i guess

it's 100% rng if she teleports close enough to you for you to dodge behind her

[distant ocean]

oo i just noticed persophone's passive is omega damage in general, what's a good Ω cast build? lol

[zenith bolt]

otherwise you just eat 180 damage and die on the spot

axe and skull have an easier time here because axe and block it and skull can pseudo-dash with special

[tall notch]

Zeuszeuszeuszeus

[zenith bolt]

also skull omega special is invuln so that works too

[distant ocean]

Jayzuuuz?

Sick, i'ma roll it

[zenith bolt]

i dont think any other weps have invuln/blocking

[civic ocean]

take hera make her kill herself

[distant ocean]

axe can block on special, and aspect of artemis has parry and impervious

[slate zodiac]

I despise final phase Eris. I can never clear it without dying at least once

[zenith bolt]

already mentioned axe but yea true about artemis

[slate zodiac]

Zeus tbh. Zeus probably has the best omega cast in the game, followed by Apollo and Hephaestus

[distant ocean]

oh yeah srryh, i didn't read up 🙂

[zenith bolt]

i guess sister blades can kinda get around it with omega attack

[woeful frigate]

i hear this alot but is it purely because of the 40 dmg special attack and poseidon?

[desert shell]

The zeus/apollo duo is busted

[slate zodiac]

I haven't seen it yet. Noted

[desert shell]

Is zeus' cast more powerful than apollos as a baseline though?

[zenith bolt]

something like that. special spam on it is just insane dps from the start

[desert shell]

It combines their omega casts

[civic ocean]

it deals damage faster which is important

[willow knot]

How do you see the listing of boons in game? I've see streamers use it but I can't find it

[slate zodiac]

Probably not but Zeus comes with a ranged cast as a boon so...

[zenith bolt]

decent roll on poseidon special and you have like 80 damage/special from the start

the hammer that doubles your shots and makes them homing is a free win

[desert shell]

So you get apollo flashing and lightning at the same rate with their duo

[zenith bolt]

it's an incantation unlock

1 ambrosia 2 poppy 2 golden apple are the ingredients

[meager wadi]

for melee witch staff just go aphro attack?

[flint patrol]

what does eris's "blessing" do?

[earnest nacelle]

Makes ur enemy do more dmg

[zenith bolt]

it makes you take more and more damage each encounter up to +100%

[flint patrol]

oh lmao

[zenith bolt]

it's supposed to force you to die

she eventually pisses off at like run 11

[thin lantern]

People saying Zeus cast is better than Apollo? Huh? Also, Heph cast, really?

[meager wadi]

and if I wanted to do omega build witch staff whats the go to?

[zenith bolt]

zeus omega cast is better imo because it has no delay on it compared to apollo's

[tired fulcrum]

Apollo cast has the funny duo tho

[earnest nacelle]

If you can use it well heph cast can deal damage on normal cast ig

[flint patrol]

same with heph, you arent waiting for the cast to finish then the apollo to finish to recast

[slate zodiac]

Nono, Apollo does more damage but Zeus' ability to make it ranged puts it above imo. Apollo is probably generally better

[earnest nacelle]

Don't need to use omega, it's easy to weave in combo. But the range is small

[tired fulcrum]

They really should let us recast

[zenith bolt]

i miss stubborn defiance

[thin lantern]

You can combine those. They're separate boons.

[slate zodiac]

Heph cast hits a ton for a regular cast. Just wish the size was bigger

[zenith bolt]

the benefit of zeus is that your god pool is only one god instead of two in that case

[tired fulcrum]

My high heat crutch

Though now we have antler momus crutch

[zenith bolt]

i dont really use zeus omega cast unless it just shows up for me. i'm not actively seeking it out

[slate zodiac]

Yes, but using Zeus as your starting God means you'll guarantee a good omega cast and the ability to make it ranged, as opposed to going Apollo where you need to hope for Zeus or Hestia unless you wish to take a second God keepsake upon act 2

[earnest nacelle]

Combo w the apollo size one maybe lol

[tall notch]

I don't like waiting for the cast to go off like you have to with Apollo. Zeus is sick because it's blasting right away

[south copper]

isn't one of the keepsakes basically that now?

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah but its a keepsake also less flexible

[zenith bolt]

moros keepsake is a bastardization of stubborn defiance

its not only worse than stubborn defiance but also eats your keepsake slot

so like ??? i dont see a benefit

would rather just ball with white antler or something if i wanted to sit at 30 hp the whole run

[slate zodiac]

Apollo is soooo good in general. That range increase is nice.

Hera is better for attack and special due to Hitch, tho lol

[south copper]

well take it to feedback if you haven't yet, maybe they can add like an arcana card with that, could fit well there
I haven't even used that keepsake, was never a fan of stubborn defiance myself.

[rain hazel]

So based on what Schemeleus just said, is like the first half secon you start sprint also invulnerable?

[woeful frigate]

with antler do you go the strength card too and just keep your hp low?

[thin lantern]

More or less ye

[slate zodiac]

I go Antler+Strength when doing no healing runs

[thin lantern]

Yes.

[tired fulcrum]

Its actually glorious

[slate zodiac]

Antler, Strength, and Aphrodite for increased health gen

[woeful frigate]

you can get armour to cover your hp as well right

[zenith bolt]

the main issue is avoiding centaur with low hp

[slate zodiac]

Yup

[tired fulcrum]

Being super low health doesnt matter when you evaporate everything before it touches you and we also have 3 acorn uses vs every guardian and yeah stuff like armor or dem prime or hermes sprint work

[slate zodiac]

Nah, just take the centaur heart. It'll be pseudo healing and it's safer to get more hp past the threshhold so the threshhold is greater

[tired fulcrum]

Also strength damage reduction applies to armor i think

[woeful frigate]

but you have to be at 30 hp regardless

[oblique canopy]

okay a full posidon build is broken

[slate zodiac]

30% health*

[tired fulcrum]

Strength threshold

[woeful frigate]

isn't antler flat 30?

[earnest nacelle]

Antler is flat 30

[slate zodiac]

Oh, mb

[tired fulcrum]

Strength is percent 30 tho

[slate zodiac]

I didn't know that. I assumed it was % lol

[oblique canopy]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2483249507261383293/DD2B0B7913BA5253F0C1B670BF0F16B227E292DC/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false I nearly 4 shot poisodon using my shield lol

ERrr with posidon

[thin lantern]

AAAAGH I FORGOR I WAS SUPPOSED TO TAKE MY LAST CARD

[woeful frigate]

yeah but your 30% hp threshold can't be higher than 30 or hp is wasted right

[thin lantern]

I beat Chronos and I had the wrong arcana on to finish the fate list

[slate zodiac]

Poseidon is easily top 3 gods imo. Currently it's Hera, Poseidon, and Apollo for me

[tired fulcrum]

I mean you can go below 30%

[slate zodiac]

[oblique canopy]

i normally use aphrodite cus the damage % is busted, but i went with a full shield Y build lol i did so much damage

I only run the axe :3

[zenith bolt]

i think for me it's like poseidon aphrodite zeus as top 3

[slate zodiac]

The problem with Aphro is that her attack/special boons are useless if the weapon is ranged it's fantastic for axe tho lol

[woeful frigate]

just talking optimal hp threshold is 100 hp which puts 30% at 30 hp activating both conditions giving you the most life

[mossy wasp]

Y'all got any tips for making hepaestus work?

[woeful frigate]

but yeah, sounds good fun lol

[slate zodiac]

Pray tell what makes you like Zeus? I personally dislike him this game

[oblique canopy]

yeah i only run axe LUL i hate the other weapons i find them useless

[zenith bolt]

omega cast stuff, bunch of generally nice utility (cast aiming, chain lightning, spirit surge is neat sometimes)

[slate zodiac]

Put his atk/special on something you rarely use. Free burst damage, but I wouldn't build around him

Maybe cast Heph if you want a build around?

[slate zodiac]

I mean...playstyle is one thing but useless??

[mossy wasp]

Yeah i figured

[zenith bolt]

zeus omega cast somewhat carries my opinion of him but it's just nice having all that good damage from it

[woeful frigate]

do we actually know what counts as close for aphro?

[zenith bolt]

given im already casting anyway for furies

[slate zodiac]

What's spirit surge again? I tend to find Zeus like mid-high outside of his cast stuff tbh

[zenith bolt]

if you can hit it with axe melee then it's close

[oblique canopy]

yep useless, not enough damage, not enough stagger, closes one to being okay other is the dagers but mehhhh

[zenith bolt]

when low on magick you shoot lightning at every enemy

[slate zodiac]

That's a take

[zenith bolt]

even on like non-momus type stuff it's nice to get free damage just for using omega stuff

[oblique canopy]

i want that bastard sword from the first game ngl LUL

[mossy wasp]

I've found it kinda bad, I once had it active all the time when my max magic was zero, and it didn't do very much

[flint patrol]

I want my adamant rail back .-.

[slate zodiac]

Ah that...I think it's okay if you have relatively low magick reserves and want some free damage after running low. Not a fan of it though - I've rarely had a situation where I actively wanted it

Then again, Hera bias is getting to me - Gain Born is nuts

[zenith bolt]

regardless its kinda hard for me to place a third bc it kinda gets gray for me

[oblique canopy]

Yeah that one was good with the rocket launcher upgrade lol

[zenith bolt]

hera is nice i just havent taken her enough to really get what she does beyond hitch

[woeful frigate]

is stagger a hp/dmg threshold or based on what you are hitting them with

[zenith bolt]

its based on what you hit them with

some attacks just dont stagger enemies

[slate zodiac]

I would like to repeat: playstyle is one thing, useless is another.

The other weapons are far from useless. You just have a playstyle preference lol

[flint patrol]

she got a good combo boon, where all commons boons are turned to rare, and if you have no commons you deal more damage

[tall notch]

I only take that thing in my 0 mana runs and in those it's pretty good. It can oneshot the intermission phases on Hecate

[woeful frigate]

I figured it was the latter which is unfortunate for torch

[zenith bolt]

yea special torch kinda blows given you cant stagger anything

eat your heart out mel aspect

[desert shell]

Imo Apollo Omega cast basically stun locks with the ending damage so it makes little difference, but also enables the super busted Zeus duo boon, which iirc doesn't work the other way

[woeful frigate]

mixing in torch attacks using mel (my fav) is kinda weak considering id much rather just be using normal special

[dark lichen]

Does Aphro special work well with Pan aspect?

[woeful frigate]

i didn't really pay much attention to the other torch aspects? they any good?

[zenith bolt]

yea probably though i think poseidon is more damage

[slate zodiac]

Her mana boon and Hitch make her good on basically any weapon. The only weapon I'd say she's "bad" on is Pan Blades and Momus Staff because they are so good with Poseidon

I'd take Hera on Mel Staff, any of the Torches, Mel/Than Axe, and Mel/Persephone Skull

[tall notch]

It's alright but Poseidon is stronger

[zenith bolt]

scorch just needs a buff badly i think

40 dps falls off at like hecate lol

[tall notch]

Eos is pretty cool

[thin lantern]

even then, pan blades can do work with her, especially if you use dash or attack to proc hitch

[slate zodiac]

I think I tried something like that. I'm planning on upgrading Zeus' keepsakes so I'll attempt to see if what I can cook up

[zenith bolt]

needing fire extinguisher to get literally any damage from hestia really just kills my desire to run with her

[woeful frigate]

the scorch dps shouldn't be a legendary boon

[zenith bolt]

and like all the things that fire extinguisher is good with are things that poseidon does better at

because inevitably scorch fights for the same per-hit basis that poseidon does

[oblique canopy]

AXE OR BUUUUUUUUUUST
the daggers are a second but the lack there of range on the X makes it meh
also the Y on the axe is BUSTED
if you get any abilities with on contact hit you can spam it and havei t come out and point blank range lol

[thin lantern]

Scorch buildup being flat but DPS also being flat is... ugh

[slate zodiac]

Yeah, Hera is probably the best God in the game from her sheer flexibility and mana regen

Also she has a ton of earth boons and that's a free win with Demeter via Coarse Grit

[tall notch]

It's good for pushing fears because you can freely take the stuff that limits your mana. And not having to take mana-related arcana also opens up lots of other strong stuff

[zenith bolt]

my general opinion is scorch should either be a % of the scorch the enemy has over time or a % of the enemy's hp over time

[thin lantern]

hmm, I have Poseidon in an Axe run just to finish off my fated list and Fear 4. Is it worth taking Poseidon on anything axe related? Like, special maybe?

[modern tangle]

Just had a crazy run with the poseidon and hestia duo. Thought it would be bad but it gave me my best time at 16 heat

[zenith bolt]

poseidon might be ok on axe spin just bc hit frequency but generally aphro is gonna be better bc always active

[slate zodiac]

I've seen Poseidon special on Axe but that's about it. You can take it on attack but I seldom see a point

[thin lantern]

I have Aphro attack already.

[zenith bolt]

special axe is kinda meme but workable i guess?

like non-omega just click the shield on things

not going to be better than axe spin though

[slate zodiac]

Charon Axe sounds fun even if worse than Than

[zenith bolt]

charon axe is like honestly its own weapon i think

[tall notch]

Poseidon is always at least a decent pickup because of double up working the way it does

[zenith bolt]

since basically you're just building around cast atp

[slate zodiac]

Apollo is 100% the best God for Charon Axe lol

[civic ocean]

alright sub 10 40% speed Eris with the torcheslets go

[thin lantern]

sub 10? minutes...?

[dawn cape]

So, shade suck attack seems a bit unfair

[civic ocean]

ye

[zenith bolt]

on surface that isnt so unreasonable if you're fast

[thin lantern]

how can anyone do ephyra that fast

[dawn cape]

It's straight undodgeable and has so much range it's generally untelegraphed from off-screen, and it tends to suck you into damage

[civic ocean]

desperation 3 fury 2

[earnest nacelle]

People can beat chronos under 10 minutes