h2-builds-and-combat

[steep musk]

well you probably did

[steel sequoia]

think i need to try more aphrodite

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927694753116614746/1239351715770400768/speed.mp4?ex=66429bbb&is=66414a3b&hm=4bcd2cf5a969ca0f6722d4ca04fd2124b8d07281dd14dfab96cdf511cdd62831& like how much speed would I need to dodge something like this

[heavy flame]

I just did a run with aphrodite torch special spam, demeter freeze on cast. Was pretty strong, but not really mind blowing. Not sure how to get torch special on par with some of the other weapons.

[forest veldt]

do u have the 30% from cards, looks slow

[tall notch]

I think I had like a chaos boon or something

[steep musk]

ripp

[forest veldt]

w/ bonus sprint?

can do run to check

[spare kite]

I think the strat is just iframing the attack lol

[winter orbit]

having medea skull against serpent boss is not fun

[fluid quail]

what casts do you use?

[lunar valley]

If I want a cast build I pretty much only use Zeus

I can't stand the delay on Apollo, its fine if you luck out on the duo boon with zeus though

[zenith bolt]

interesting start to the run https://i.imgur.com/fsM9rat.png

[lunar valley]

Now add course grit

Get some revenge boons, stand

[heavy flame]

Anyone have any preferences on charon ax? I've tried apollo on special, but not sure what else

aphrodite seems pointless because you wont be close, and apollo is the highest % as far as i know, other than her

[soft burrow]

🤔 Does that interact with the 'max 15 damage' boon in the way I think it does?

[soft burrow]

For Charon Axe it seems you want to beef up your cast.
Apollo + zeus cast duo

[heavy flame]

how exactly does the cast explosion work?

does it trigger effects from the cast or something?

[soft burrow]

All effects that are on your omega cast get activated.

[heavy flame]

mk, makes sense

so the zues omega cast lightning bolts will continue to strike after it explodes?

[soft burrow]

The apollo omega cast does for sure, not 100% about zeus, but most likely!

Things like the demeter 'snowstorm while casting' probably won't tho

[heavy flame]

well, i just found out the solar storm apollo boon works.

Deals damage after the cast explodes, an extra 266 at rare

[signal charm]

how do i win with any of the weapons but axe?

[honest lodge]

get good?.... lol. But seriously, if struggling with weapon you can use a weapon agnostic build. Typically this means cast. I got my first win with a cast build that basically got no real benefit from the weapon

[knotty viper]

get hera's mana regen boon--> win

[strange kite]

for staff and dagger use poseidon special. for skull i still like aphro

for torch just uhh… cast i guess

dagger even without pan can still shotgun the special

its not as good without pan but i dont think its necessarily bad either

[heavy flame]

I had my first blades win using zues attack

[strange kite]

and staff if u can luck into the double shot boon is face roll

[honest lodge]

if you have enough max magic. I like hestia. Especially since she also gets you the ranged cast. Take her and Poseidon cast.

[forest veldt]

30% from cards is enough, might be able to get away with 20% from hermes. when from side to side

[strange kite]

yeah the attack can also do stuff i guess

[shell swan]

Is concentrated whirlwind or unyielding slash better for whirlwind axe build?

[knotty viper]

hestia's is probably the 2nd best but with hera's you can just completely ignore mana regen and never stop casting

[heavy flame]

demeter coarse grit is pretty great if you struggle with chronos.

[mighty heart]

is aphrodite good with the axe?

[signal charm]

Aphro on axe is literally free

[honest lodge]

you need a lot of earth. Hera is good for that.

[strange kite]

sprint card is goated and yall cant convince me otherwise

aphro is the best axe modifier

for damage alone anyways

[mighty heart]

i just did a hera run with axe and that went pretty well too

[forest veldt]

only times feels okay wo/ is apollo sprint. kinda required otherwise

[heavy flame]

Hera might be better for spin builds

[strange kite]

hera demeter and apollo have other benefits

[heavy flame]

demeter is good for learning axe. Aphro for just big damage. Hera for spin builds. Apollo for big splash funny (but i think hera is better for this)

[soft burrow]

For dagger also use Aphro attack, you slay hard.

[heavy flame]

Apollo is good for charon axe, tho

[strange kite]

i have literally never used an attack build on dagger because i think the attack chain suuuuuux

like seriously what is that last hit animation lock?

[heavy flame]

I made it work by using ranged zues cast + demeter cast freeze, then zues attack for big damage while frozen

[strange kite]

miss me with that animation lock short range melee

[compact arrow]

Anybody knows if "Fixated Creation" is permanent Prime or whether it is returned?

[pastel elm]

yea totally agree. the stick and axe also have that issue i feel

[strange kite]

like if u buffer a last hit chain and dash u literally cant sprint

[mighty heart]

is there a list of what hammers are mutually exclusive?

[strange kite]

cuz it will do the big hit after the dash and u die

[spare kite]

is that one of the chaos curses, if yeah then the prime is per room

[pastel bison]

My favorite two aspects right now are Pan and Thanatos. My biggest gripe with them is how much worse they feel to play without their respective Channeling speed Hammers. You can essentially emulate the increased Channeling speed with the slow-motion Arcana card, but since that does not effect Chronos then it really feels like you need the hammer for him otherwise its. I believe the only other sources of Channeling speed are Chaos boons and Arachne armor. and good luck carrying Arachne armor all the way to Chronos.

[heavy flame]

yea, if they made daggers fully animation cancel they would be way more useable. If you are required to be so close for so long, they should be it easier to dodge. reward skill

[compact arrow]

Okay that makes sense, otherwise I thought it would be too big of a punishment XD

[stable ether]

Is Selene the only form for power up in this game? You can't call in Artemis etc. like in Hades 1?

[spare kite]

Hexes are the call equivalents yeah

[stable ether]

Well that sucks.

[strange kite]

hexes are so trash. except the healing one

[spare kite]

wolf howl is decent

[strange kite]

the healing hex is goated and jump hex is useable but others are terrible

yes kronos plz stay in this circle for 4s and dont move thats totally reliable after 200 mana

[stable ether]

Yeah, I don't go for hex, actual garbage and waste of time and boons, I would rather prime to 0 and use 30% damage arcana

[spare kite]

prime to 0 doesn't work

[strange kite]

yes imma just stand still and channel for 3s and the beam isnt even anime size. like come on why isnt the beam a real massive kamehameha that covers the screen?

[honest lodge]

so you could try something like this. Set your cards for more cast damage and pick up pos cast for main damage source. Get Demeter and hopefully rare crop that pos cast. You can get torrential downpour with her for more cast damage. Get Hera for mana regen and course grit if you can get the 6 eath. For attack and special, it depends on the weapon, but if it's low damage high attack rate, poseidon, if it's high damage per hit, hera or demeter. But you can use those more for support really. Have an attack that hits a lot of people spead hitch for instance, or something like spear attack with demeter can freeze enemies to keep them off you. But really you'll be omega casting the whole time. Also, with demeter and pos, you should be able to get poseidon's infusion for 100 health

[stable ether]

You can prime to 0 if you pick all prime abilities.

[strange kite]

turn on the 0% mana heat and turn off mana regen and as long as u dont prime to 0 u get the damage bonus

[spare kite]

it won't activate the huntress card I mean, cuz 0/0 is technically your 100%

[strange kite]

u dont want to prime to zero for mana less

[dawn cape]

Beam has a stars upgrade that makes it independent, which makes it pretty good imo

[strange kite]

to want to prime as much as possible without hitting zero

[tired fulcrum]

Non heal hexes are good for the 5% damage when its not charged

[strange kite]

lul true

[silver oriole]

gonna try out aspect of thanatos
any suggestions? maybe spin2win build?

[spare kite]

revive is funny for the judgement glitch

[simple niche]

yeah

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah do the speen

[simple niche]

aspect of thanatos has given me my most wins, honestly feel like a lot of builds work well for it.

[strange kite]

revive is funny just to hear scylla voicelines

im fully momus and pan pilled

[tired fulcrum]

20% Global crit chance is pretty spicy

[forest veldt]

if u want to play ranged can go apollo zeus cast build

[simple niche]

I've done a burn build with just stacking burn, flutter strike also works great, you can really do whatever honestly

My most recent flutter build was hitting for 1200 a spin tick, it can get pretty nutty, sadly it was a surface run D:

[strange kite]

damn thats a lot

[silver oriole]

wait which one is flutter strike from

[tired fulcrum]

Aphro

[simple niche]

Aphrodite

[strange kite]

right now the 3 top builds as i can tell are momus and pan poseidon and thanatos aphro but i dont want to go through the effort of unlocking and upgrading thanatos axe

maybe skull also has some good build i dont know about

[pastel bison]

top 3 for what

[simple niche]

But it was like... Heroic Flutterstike rank 7 + Hitting the same spin target gains attiditonal damage + double strike + uh... there was something else, one of the other whirlwind bonuses.

So it was like 25% crit chance, double striking flutter hits, pretty stupid.

[strange kite]

general clearing

based on what people are saying and what ive seen works easily

[simple niche]

I think that flutter daggers is prolly up there as well, being able to spam 2k crits when you teleport is pretty dumb.

[cursive knot]

Hera thanatos also feels really good

[strange kite]

aphro artemis?

[wet nova]

hephaestus sprint build is kinda funny

Idk how it got to this but Im just zooming everywhere nwo lol

[strange kite]

heph sprint is hilarious luuul.

[simple niche]

Aphro melinoe daggers.

[silver oriole]

damn all my chaos boon options are too good this time

[simple niche]

cause you want the 40% increased backstab, then the 200% from the Daedalus for backstabs as well. + flutter = Omega Attack spam to win

[strange kite]

wait what gives the crit? i thought artemis was the crit dagger

[summer seal]

Artemis is also really strong all purpose, can clear with most builds

[honest lodge]

doesn't heph special proc separately on each dagger? I heard it does but the the cooldown sucks. But as long as you are fine evading for a bit it's in theory good...

[summer seal]

But the others have a higher performance ceiling than Artemis imo

[simple niche]

Artemis is Riposte

[tired turret]

I just like base dagger aspect because of backstabbing potential of shotgun knives

[summer seal]

Mel aspect gives backstab

[strange kite]

i like pan so i can drop a cast and just full send a bazillions specials

i used to play chiron

[pastel bison]

Dionusses when

Dionysus*

[trim thistle]

sister blades dont show in the oath pact

surface or underworld to get nightmare?

[pastel bison]

mine also do not show, along with Axe

[grand prism]

Pan + Posiden special is literally all you need, just build something around that and it's ez chronos kill. Lots of great hammer options for it

[lunar valley]

Only limited amounts are available

Saving for future bosses likely

[trim thistle]

so im unable to farm nightmare with those? rip

[lunar valley]

Yeah gotta do the weapons thay are available

[wet nova]

probably the most fun build ive ever had lol

[orchid fog]

Am I the only one who thinks the Infernal Beast maybe needs a rework? It's too... easy.

[lunar valley]

Everything is easy as long as you have the dps tbh and once you learn to dodge the right way. You basically kill the boss in the third biome in 5 seconds in the first game once you have a good build

[distant ocean]

beast is easy, until it isn't

i think he's in a good spot, big arena, big zoning, only thing you might could do is make the adds spawn concurrently with the doggy.

[zenith bolt]

beast is totally fine unless he decides to be a pos and spam aoe crap when you're on a melee wep

[distant ocean]

and have them throw auto-lock-on flame spilling barrels. but then it's just cyclops fight

i freggin hate teh donkey kongs :/

the difficulty of this game tends be binary

sometimes there's gray area but usually it's either you melt or YOU melt.

[dry mirage]

with a judgement focused run, what 3 cards do yall activate?

[wild cloak]

heph sprint by itself basically solo'd Eris lmao

[pastel bison]

Death Defy, HP and Magick, and if you need Mana Regen for your build then take that, if not then money or something

[dry mirage]

ok bet thanks

is judgement even worth it before upgrading it all the way?

[wild pine]

I'm not convinced it's worth it even when upgraded fully but it's a fun challenge

[pastel bison]

If you have 30 grasp then probably not cause you can just take everything you want

I think it is good when maxed

[spare kite]

reroll/rarity/mana or defiance

[wild pine]

boon rarity might be a good one to start with just cause it loses impact later

[surreal hull]

Is Area and Athena going to be added?

[dry mirage]

i do. what's like a good all around 30 grasp setup then?

[surreal hull]

Can you get enough grasp for all arcana?

[wild pine]

I believe that in marketing material they did say all former gods would return, plus more. But, I think it unlikely they'll add more "normal boon gods", or at least unlikely they expand the pool by 3 or more

[pastel bison]

no no

[wild pine]

So I suspect more may get the Artemis/Hermes treatment

[pastel bison]

can send a screenshot of my setup in a bit but its personal preference and aspect dependent really

[dry mirage]

fair tbh

[surreal hull]

I hope they do tho, even with different effects or boons. Seems a big gap to not have the two war gods in this story, even if not encountered in normal ways

[wild pine]

Athena/Ares/Dionysus may only appear as special NPCs in the later olympus zones or something

[heavy flame]

I think they might do some gods exclusive to top/bottom. Athena and ares fighting up top would make sense, so they would only grant boons on the surface

[surreal hull]

True. I know they said roadmap includes a whole new area. Maybe they’d be specific to that? A war field and you choose between the two in battle?

[wild pine]

I'm pretty sure the next area will be whatever comes after thessaly/eris

slopes of olympus or something

[surreal hull]

OH I haven’t beaten eris yet can you not get past her????

[wild pine]

Yeah you can defeat her but then you just get an "under construction"

[zenith bolt]

huh? i wasn't done with sister blades though https://i.imgur.com/x9aWNFb.png

[lunar valley]

Game says no

[surreal hull]

Daaaaang. Didn’t realize that part wasn’t done yet haha

[odd ruin]

question, the hephestus attack boon or the zeus attack boon, which ones probably better?

currently using the axe

[heavy flame]

For axe, go aphro, demeter, or hera

[wild pine]

On the axe I would probably take zeus, out of those two, though neither is great

[pastel bison]

if you are spinning

[odd ruin]

don't have hera unlocked yet, and I like putting demeter on the cast

[wet nova]

the only issue I had with chronos is second phase I had no room to sprint around too many telegraphs

[wild pine]

I think there are more builds where I would want Hephy strike than Zeus strike though

[wet nova]

so I got stuck in a time zone whil sprinting and died rip

I was too busy zooming to notice them

[heavy flame]

Demeter on attack is very strong on axe, very good for learning axe

[wild pine]

I would consider Apollo a reasonable option there too

[odd ruin]

whats the max level for the boons?

[lunar valley]

Axe spin build at high fear is so painful without the channel faster hammer

[wild pine]

No max level, just aggressive diminishing returns

There's generally not much point raising a boon past ~6 or 7

[odd ruin]

ok

[wild pine]

In Hades 1 there were a lot more ways to level boons and you can watch meme runs with like level 40 boons

[oblique dock]

wow i just played the momus build, this is so dumb lol

[odd ruin]

man I really don't like the new boons compared to 1

[prisma wharf]

I dont know whats happenijg i can only dash

[zenith bolt]

i wonder if skull omega attack build is real

[steep musk]

Somebody has mentioned beating Eris unlocks dialogue that seems geared towards the actual ending for surface, can somebody who’s seen all that explain, without spoiling that dialogue, how concerned I should actually be about spoiling the later experience?

[strange kite]

the time stop adds in kronos phase 2 is really problematic

[lunar valley]

They do be annoying

[strange kite]

it creates this unpredictable chaotic overlap of adds mechanics and boss mechanics that means u basically die unless u have really good room clear and even then focusing on killing the adds does not guarantee they wont kill u because the time spot bubble is not something u can kill

or i guess get lucky and hope the mechanics dont overlap in a problematic way

[zenith bolt]

hmm hera attack + aphrodite special on persephone skull... this seems like the way

[heavy flame]

have you gotten time stopped in the "get to the spot or else" yet? that sucks

[strange kite]

also the adds spawn over time so its like even when kronos becomes active and u kill a few adds more are still spawning

[pastel bison]

wouldnt you want that the other way around or am I trippin

[strange kite]

uh i dont think so? not yet but im sure it will happen to me

[zenith bolt]

the point is mostly to have attack spread hitch and then aphrodite special do the meat of the damage

[lunar valley]

I think it's fine overall. Haven't gotten stuck in since forever. Just chaotic, but I like the tempo it creates for the fight. Second phase of Hades felt too similar to his first phase

[strange kite]

i dont like it. it’s haphazard and random and not in ur control.

[lunar valley]

In contrast since chronos likes to snuggle up to you I think second phase is easier overall

[sturdy trail]

Man vow of arrogance is rough youre basically forced to play without mana

[trim thistle]

any widely agreed upon "meta" setups for arcana cards?

[strange kite]

like yes kill the adds but they spawn too slowly ro kill. meanwhile in phase 1 the adds basically all spawn while kronos is launching bubbles and finish spawning.

it depends on ur weapon and build but i dont think theres a single arcana layout people use

[lunar valley]

They always spawn on the same spot and in the same order, no? I feel like you just go to 12 o clock and move clockwise spamming buttons and they're all usually dead without issue

[strange kite]

also depends on preference too

[pastel bison]

Momus is fun but my thumb bro

[strange kite]

kronos becomes live before that

the problem is that literally like 4 adds spawn before kronos is back to killing u

[lunar valley]

I feel like his attacks never reach the edge where they spawn. Only annoying bit is when he does his one hit move and you gotta relocate

[strange kite]

no not the bubbles. the bubbles are fine

its when kronos stops shooting bubbles and starts swinging u cant just go around killing adds one by one

u gotta do mechanics including clock floor and kronos swings

[lunar valley]

Yeah I meant his swing, they don't tend to reach the edge if you stick to the very edge of the map

[strange kite]

i mean kronos also dashes and moves. not just stand there and wait for u

and then keonos starts new mechanics like instant kill or the circling bubbles or the entire floor lights up

[lunar valley]

Hmmm maybe. The thing is the adds are usually dead in 4-5 seconds but if the build isn't allowing you to kill them maybe it becomes a problem overall. Chronos fight gets much rougher if you can't kill fast

[strange kite]

a phase 2 still has the boomerang

are u on hades boon?

[dry mirage]

does soot sprint hard counter Eris?

[strange kite]

thats the only time i find the adds dont take forever

cuz otherwise the adds are extremely problematic and im only at 4 when kronos starts moving again

[lunar valley]

No, I just kill the first adds he spawns and kite him to the edge that is free of adds and ignore the others and kill him

[strange kite]

well yeah if i end the fight before its a problem then its fine

[lunar valley]

I usually kill the 6 he spawns at first and the entire right side of the map is free unless he puts the circle on the left which becomes annoying

[strange kite]

sometimes u have to move to the left

and then theres fifty bazillion red balls waiting for u

[lunar valley]

Yeah I feel you

[lunar valley]

Yes

[lunar valley]

Real tbh

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927694753116614746/1238649389518688276/chronos.mp4?ex=664207e3&is=6640b663&hm=99583dd7a58ef9b8bb171a74cb292951724162dc5aa4f33ca053d20af049e3fb&
nah chronos overlaps are fine

[strange kite]

LMAO

i somehow beat this fight with hestia scorch torches and i still dont know how

[heavy flame]

anyone else having issues with axe block being crap against chronos? Half his attacks seem to just ignore you channeling

[strange kite]

it took fooooorever. run was 50 minutes

[frail jewel]

Brelshaza G5 vibes i swear

[tall notch]

bro really just said "expire" and Mel expired right there 😭

[lunar valley]

Axe block punishes you more than in saves you in my experience

[spare kite]

what even is the play here lmao, run to the bottom then iframe the projectile?

[lunar valley]

I just hug him, it's usually fine

[heavy flame]

feels like a ton of attacks in the game are just buggy when it comes to the block, honestly. I'm not sure if it's actually intentional or not tho? Like, maybe they want the block to be really tight.. but that makes the special so awful without the channel hammer

[strange kite]

i guess the play is to dash behind kronos

[torpid blade]

axe block feels really buggy and like it doesn't actually block things yeah

[dry mirage]

how does one play aspect of mel on skull

[strange kite]

and never run away from the suuuc

[maiden perch]

whats the good build for medea

[lunar valley]

Chronos is way easier if you just become an obsessed granddaughter and keep hugging him to death

[maiden perch]

is it just aphro attack

[spare kite]

I just spam attack and it works out

[frail jewel]

feels like every 'ground' ability [hecate's shockwave etc] are just not blockable, while anything that is projectile-based is?

[torpid blade]

attack+attack+attack -> special -> cast -> repeat

[lunar valley]

Provided you can dash back and forth constantly

[frail jewel]

idk about Chronos fight tho

[dry mirage]

any specific like good boons for it

[spare kite]

I do aphro atk but ig apollo works if you want some semblance of range

[strange kite]

its not easy to ifram every slash and dash at +40% speed

in fact its very hard

[torpid blade]

i really enjoyed most of haephaestus' boons, especially the ones that deal a burst of a lot of damage on a cooldown, gives you great burst and with some of the daedalus upgrades that shred armor? can easily beat up groups of difficult enemies and does good damage against bosses

[strange kite]

and the next combo can start up as soon the first combo finishes and ur charging omega

[torpid blade]

though any boons can work great, except zeus' blitz boons, they're not good.

[strange kite]

the dps window is not very big sometimes

[lunar valley]

Yeah some weapons are punished way harder at 40%

[strange kite]

i dont like heph at all anymore

[heavy flame]

I think heph will get reworked. I don't think the long timers are worth it at all, with the way waves of enemies spawn.

[silver oriole]

whirlwind hammer that makes it spin away from you is kind of bad? it makes it so you can't cancel out of the spin with dash
disappointing

[strange kite]

then again most boons from most gods suck so maybe i shouldnt give so much flak to heph

[pastel bison]

Yeah they absolutely need to change that

[ionic moon]

he needs something that can decrease the timer

like every X hits or something

[heavy flame]

or just make the damage every X hits

[strange kite]

heph feels horrendous for attack and special and not enough good utility boons to make up for it.

[ionic moon]

it feels like Poseidon is too dominant for the flat damage boons

[strange kite]

like at least hestia has some utility while heph gives… mana after getting hit? wut?

[heady cradle]

For anyone looking for advice/searching for it in the future on the Trial of Heartache:

You'll want to take HP ups almost every time they're offered. You can attack enemies through solid objects, including the boss. Keep a pillar between you and her for all your attacks, when she reloads dash into her to call the attacks back for the close range bonus, immediately dashing back out behind the pillar.

For the purple sniper shot that destroys pillars, put your frog between you and it. It'll tank the shot for you and you'll still have both pillars to use the entire fight. The frog is also handy on the mini-boss to block it's shots too. Be wary that they do an AoE when they explode, so you can't stand directly beside the frog.

[strange kite]

who else gives flat damage?

its only poseidon. as far as i can tell

[spare kite]

hestia/zeus/heph

[ionic moon]

that's my point, the other choices are supposed to be Zeus, hestia, heph

[strange kite]

heph isnt flat damage. it’s flat dps. hestia is the same

[desert mountain]

Is there a visual difference/que for when I have Glory with the Aspect of Persephone?

[spare kite]

flat dmg here is for buffs that arent %, which they all fit

[strange kite]

poseidon gives flat damage while hestia and heph are both trash because they give flat dps which needs to be higher than 40/s to not suck

not its not the same. flat damage is scaling

it doesnt give the same dps for every weapon and scales with hits

[zenith bolt]

the meter fills up (bottom left near your ammo) but the threshold to use glory is lower than full so it's hard to tell

[strange kite]

% damage scales off the weapon dps. flat damage scales of hits per second. flat dps scales off nothing

[marsh drift]

hey umbral flames goes pretty crazy how come everyone is saying its dogsh#t

[zenith bolt]

honestly i just try to ignore glory and just focus primarily on using the +omega damage to my benefit

i like how the 12 fear for skull is polyphemus and then 16 fear is eris like ok

[desert mountain]

I see it filled up slightly but I can't seem to push it past that
https://i.imgur.com/y0uNCBz.png

[zenith bolt]

https://i.imgur.com/b0oL7cd.png 2/3 of the way there

[strange kite]

thats the key here. why is poseidon the dominant flat damage god? because poseidon is the only flat damage god. there isnt any god that does what poseidon does at all

[zenith bolt]

it's hard to fill it to full without spending it at some point before then because you only need like 20% or something to use glory

[plush star]

Hey guys, what do you all think about the Argent Skull? I personally don't like and I trying to find out if the weapon doesn't fit for me or if it actually not to good in general

[strange kite]

well actually zeus has the chain lightning support boon but other than that theres only rare stuff like artemis

[desert mountain]

But how do you fill it?

[zenith bolt]

any damage, it's just really slow

[umbral brook]

what's y'alls favorite skull build so far?

[spare kite]

do dmg, but the rate of dmg to charge is pretty bad

[zenith bolt]

persephone, grab aphro special and just ball

[spare kite]

I don't even know if charge is number of hits or dmg dealt

[ionic moon]

yeah exactly, I don't feel like I have a choice when I want to play a fast weapon

[desert mountain]

I'm dealing damage but I don't see the gauge filling up at all?

How bad is the build up?

[spare kite]

as bad as you are experiencing it

[zenith bolt]

it's pretty bad

[desert mountain]

No way
How

[zenith bolt]

yea im hoping they give it another look because glory charges so slow

[desert mountain]

Does it drain each location or?

[zenith bolt]

no it doesnt drain

[spare kite]

it saves between encounters

it takes like an entire biome for full charge before its boss

[strange kite]

yeah i dont think poseidon is overtuned. like is aphro overtuned because everybody on axe goes aphro for big damage? aphro at least has reasonable competition while the poseidon doesnt have any competition. imagine if apollo was the only % damage god then everybody using axe would be apollo or bust

[desert mountain]

And omega charging doesn't spend it right?

[spare kite]

using omega special with some charge will use it (is like 25%? minimum)

[strange kite]

i do think hestia needs a full rework

[zenith bolt]

using omega special with enough charge will use it

"enough" is vague bc all we have is a meter

[desert mountain]

Pain

[strange kite]

shes sooooo bad. scorch should actually scale off scorch amount so its pseudo flat damage

like if u have low scorch then scorch ticks at a slower rate but at 2k scorch every tick should be dealing way more

[desert mountain]

I mean I've been able to nuke the ever living hell out of bosses with Scorch and the boon that makes it detonate at 300

[strange kite]

the current system of needing a whole other boon just to get half the scorch amount as flat damage is trash

[desert mountain]

I mean, that's how Demeter was in the previous game, and I don't she was bad, but definitely not the first choice

[strange kite]

why does hestia not function without 2 whole boons and then only functions at mediocre efficiency?

[spare kite]

nah demeter was pretty bad too in 1

worked for low heat? ofc but anything worked (and tbf, that's sgg approach anyways)

[thin lantern]

100%

[desert mountain]

I'd be have to be extremely cruel to say Demeter was BAD in 1, but you can very much make her work at 24 heat

Once again I agree that it wasn't the best, and others were just better

[strange kite]

like the base for that boon should be way higher or something. not 50%. ur 40 scorch boon + this boon is basically a single poseidon boon. for a whole two boon combo and im pretty sure common hestia no poms isnt even 40 per hit

also no extra aoe upside or anything

[spare kite]

24 heat is still relaxed about what heats limit you tho, but I get what you mean

[thin lantern]

The fear doubling is brutal tbh

Like... For aspect levels you have to spike to that level? Nutty

[ionic moon]

I just don't think dot builds work well in this game. they tried in 1 with Dio, Demeter, Ares. now hestia in 2. only merciful end was good, aka the thing that makes it not a dot any more

[strange kite]

dont get me wrong tho i still cleared with hestia torch scorch even if took literally 50 minutes

[thin lantern]

It's doable but it's nuts

[zenith bolt]

fear goes 1, 4, 8, 12, 16, 20 i believe

[strange kite]

dot is not inherently bad it just needs to have a reason to exist.

[spare kite]

not having equivalents to like BP/EM is also pretty rough, cuz we have to take worse stuff (or the only build that just ignores most fear options)

[thin lantern]

Eh, no, Dio could do pretty ape damage. Needed the ice wine cold fusion trio for high heat though.

[cursive knot]

idk i prefer it over heat just going up by 1 every time makes it feel kinda tedious

[zenith bolt]

the -heal is only really a valuable take if you're running like white antler low hp build and then like.

[strange kite]

if it cant do good dps then dot will never work and compared to burst damage if dot does less dps than even that then its objectively bad.

[thin lantern]

Torch skipped to 24 lmao. Also there are 2 fears

[zenith bolt]

totally agree, we actually get to impactful levels of fear

[cursive knot]

kinda balanced out too by not all of them being beat final boss

[strange kite]

but if dot was higher dps then u uabe a reason to use the dot and them it becomes good

[spare kite]

heat also capped at 20

[zenith bolt]

is it not 20/chronos as the last for each?

[thin lantern]

Torch being capped at 24 Chronos is wild. As a torch enjoyer I genuinely don't think that's a problem with a good build, but MAN does that hurt

[spare kite]

tbh I wonder how our hell mode equivalent will go, hopefully less boring

[ionic moon]

ice wine means you're nuking, not dotting

[thin lantern]

Like... I know what my Eos torch is capable of. It can do that

[strange kite]

the problem is having these big jumps means theres literally not enough nightmares to upgrade a whole 10 aspects each requiring like 7 or something i think

[thin lantern]

Privileged status still kinda chunked though, even without. Aphro duo boon also works. 8 stack hangover went hard

[zenith bolt]

you are at least intended to get 8 nightmare free from the fated list

[strange kite]

its ridiculous situation u cant just expect people to grind bones for nightmare

[thin lantern]

8 stack hangover plus privileged was an actual crapload of dot, so there were ways

[strange kite]

8 nightmare still doesnt even get u halfway there

[zenith bolt]

(5 from "beat chronos with all arcanas" and 3 from "free the fates")

[thin lantern]

Also yeah too many nightmares needed for not nearly enough rewards

[zenith bolt]

alas, fishing exists to cover the rest i suppose

[thin lantern]

Free the Fates is Sir Not Appearing In This Build

[strange kite]

time to cheat

[zenith bolt]

imagine reading that i said "intended"

[cursive knot]

toula time

[thin lantern]

I read it. No need to be an ass.

[strange kite]

definitely cheating if i want to play more aspects

[timber verge]

What's persephone skull supposed to do?

[thin lantern]

Yeah, I think I'm gonna bust out cheat engine for dem bones or nightmares at this point.

[zenith bolt]

spam omega stuff mainly

[cursive knot]

i mean its not like original game was incredibly fast to grind out

[spare kite]

do dmg to charge meter, release to control omega special around
rn that meter charges at snail pace sadly

[thin lantern]

I want to play with the other aspects. Also seriously the big leaps get to crazy ramp-ups... Although doing 20 runs per weapon was incredibly tedious in 1

[zenith bolt]

i prefer fear bc there's less just completely free takes

[spare kite]

rn fear feels very meh w/o EM but I can wait

[torpid mirage]

is chain-lightning busted atm? Every time I've gotten it so far it's pretty much guranteed to atleast make it to chronos

[zenith bolt]

unless you're momus in which case like 3 of them are free

[thin lantern]

I think the sweet spot would be in between Hades 1 and 2, something like 2 fear per, or a consistent 2 4 8 12 16 20 24, not sometimes skipping tiers

[cursive knot]

stoked for em

[thin lantern]

Eh, I hate how punishing quite a few of them are for their fear value

Like the lower right corner is a lot of potential punishment for just one fear each.

The rarity thing practically nukes Hephaestus off the menu

[zenith bolt]

heph is underwhelming already without fear

[thin lantern]

One heat? Total?

[heady cradle]

I hate that clearing all current testaments leaves the banner on the fear screen as 28/30 completed.

[thin lantern]

That prime one needs at least 3

[timber verge]

If I get forced to take Heph first thing I just restart. He's that bad

[desert mountain]

The magik one is absurdly punishing

[zenith bolt]

whar

[thin lantern]

On core boons sure. On the support boons S tier

[earnest nacelle]

the daggers are missing some fear

[zenith bolt]

so is it not just me that daggers disappeared after 8 for

[heady cradle]

Yeeeep

[zenith bolt]

noted

[thin lantern]

F10'd, I hope

[zenith bolt]

the same could be argued for plenty of other gods

[thin lantern]

Eh. His are potentially broken broken like Demeter's coarse grit.

Poseidon is currently the strongest overall due to his flourish being the most abusable and his support boons snowballing to an absurd degree though

[spare kite]

double up my beloved

[brittle prairie]

Zues' Attack and Special boons feel incredibly underwhelming

[thin lantern]

Easily, Poseidon is S tier, Apollo maybe just under because his boons are either the king of casts or just generally good

[zenith bolt]

aphrodite's healthy rebound, life affirmation, weak just as a mechanic
hestia's glowing coal (best cast imo), soot sprint, hearth gain (best magick regen imo), burnt offering
like half of poseidon's stuff

[brittle prairie]

am I missing something?

[spare kite]

best regen is hera's

[thin lantern]

Demeter is an A, personally. Demeter is BS good. Like... Not the freezes, sure, but cyclone is absolutely insane

[timber verge]

They should make it so Heph can overkill armor, besides actually lowering the insanely high cd

[zenith bolt]

freeze is good on like axe n other options where you have to take a little more time to do things

[heady cradle]

Demeter is crazy just for the infusion that reduces all damage to 15 max.

[forest veldt]

her cast solo procing 2 curses is rly nice

[thin lantern]

Healthy rebound? Really? Do you mean with stupid high rarity, because otherwise being above 80% severely limits it

[spare kite]

cyclone counts as a different curse?

[brittle prairie]

Heph feels great at low copldowns with random good pom/rarity pulls, yhey should probably make the earlier cooldowns less exgreme

[thin lantern]

And that. The single most OP boon in the game.

[timber verge]

Does she have earth boons? I forgot

[strange kite]

demeter freeze is also really good. just 1 freeze makes clearing a dense pack of shielded mobs so much easier

[zenith bolt]

i mean one pom or it being rare is already sizeable healing if you're not actively throwing yourself into enemies

[forest veldt]

arctic ring and gale force count as 2

[heady cradle]

A few. I combined it with Hera on a few of my runs because she kept showing up.

[thin lantern]

100%. That being said his DPS is insanely low even at 1 or 2 sec

[zenith bolt]

not entering chronos with 70 hp bc chipped by random stuff all the way through tartarus is nice

[thin lantern]

Yup. And it's the strongest debuff by far

[brittle prairie]

at 70% its pretty potent which isnt super unlikely, I like it as a strong for the context of your build boon

[thin lantern]

Just... Bonkers.

[strange kite]

wat does cyclone do? aside from damage

[spare kite]

does charm also count as a 2nd curse then

[zenith bolt]

cyclone slows projectiles and enemies in it

also counts as another status for origination

[strange kite]

say no more im forcing demeter next time luul

[zenith bolt]

most likely

[thin lantern]

Hestia has a lot of good supports but godawful primary boons. Scorch is worse than Hephaestus procs

[strange kite]

truuu

[spare kite]

yeah lmao I thought it was just extra slow lmao, not a 2nd curse

[zenith bolt]

scorch needs a buff and need to be made clearer wtf it actually does

[brittle prairie]

for attack atleast, special and dash hitting 400+ on very low cooldowns is pretty nice

unless im misunderstanding something

[zenith bolt]

ive seen too many people confused about it being a fixed 40 dps

[pastel elm]

scorch does a fixed dos regardless of how much you apply yes? or do i misunderstand. oh lol

[spare kite]

exactly

[timber verge]

It's not????

[thin lantern]

Scorch needs a rework imo. Heph attack sucks hard. Special and dash can Do Work, but it needs all the poms and dash is hard to use

[zenith bolt]

it is fixed 40 dps, but stuff like the tooltips saying "scorch damage" isnt helping the understanding

[thin lantern]

Dash needs to go off when you stop tbh

[delicate cypress]

What weapon aspect do u guys think is the best?

[zenith bolt]

especially bc like people just dont read things and hovering tooltips every 2s to understand boons is like not amazing ux

[brittle prairie]

Hard to use is fine woth adequate reward, special requires too much poms, dash too much rarity

[thin lantern]

40 DPS is just incredibly bad.

[zenith bolt]

40 dps falls off at like hecate

[thin lantern]

True enough... Despite the rough activation though, smithy sprint can absolutely destroy things

[zenith bolt]

honestly i would prefer if scorch was just like some % of the enemy hp with the same mechanics otherwise

[silver oriole]

it reminds me of Doom but there's no way to proc it so it's just very slow and bad?

[thin lantern]

Just bulldoze.

[hoary quiver]

What is the limit on maximum grasp?

[timber verge]

I sometimes wonder if SGG learned nothing from the first game.
This is basic combat design they're tripping up on.

[pastel elm]

30

[forest veldt]

would be cool if snapshot inc damage buffs over dot duration, dont think any apply currently

[brittle prairie]

Personally ive had the most success woth Twin Blades Aspect of Artemus for exploitable Crit damage along with the naturally good synergies the weapon has with boons and daedalus

[strange kite]

30. 29 if ur sane and dont want to farm a ridiculous amount

[silver oriole]

this would make a lot more sense probably

[strange kite]

plan on being stuck at 29 for a long time

[zenith bolt]

you get like 150 psyche per run just using frinos. legit just the shade tablet

[thin lantern]

Scorch should be % of the scorch value.

[earnest nacelle]

the hardest part of 30 for me is the dark lol

[thin lantern]

Seriously. Easiest fix.

[hoary quiver]

whose keepsake is the one thats second to last in the box?

[thin lantern]

I have far too much dark because I'm a chaos gate addict

[zenith bolt]

i had like 8 dark by the time i got to 30 grasp so like idk
just go to the GOAT chaos more often

[strange kite]

yeah that would probably be great

[zenith bolt]

icarus

[earnest nacelle]

the psyche is easy to get, especially that 1 run I got chaos gathering+ from my keepsake frinos just gave me like 400 psyche that run

[thin lantern]

Truth. Chaos is the true SS tier

[hoary quiver]

Ahh. What does it do?

[brittle prairie]

Icarus

[zenith bolt]

https://i.imgur.com/AyhuSgV.png

[delicate cypress]

I see I've had the most success with aspect of pan you can get some crazy damage with the right daedalus hammers and good casts

[thin lantern]

Unironically some of the most broken boons in the game. Love it

[timber verge]

That makes it even worse in the early though

[zenith bolt]

icarus' keepsake is insane and easily the best choice for mourning fields bc it will last the rest of the run

[brittle prairie]

Free Random Daedalus for 10/15/20 once per night, can be nice as a last equip for the final floor

[heady cradle]

Just pray the random hammer doesn't massively eff up your build.

[thin lantern]

Increase scorch buildup minimums or reduce decay or be minimum 40 and up

[strange kite]

my fastest time was 15:07 with pan just today

[earnest nacelle]

I've only got 1 dark

[zenith bolt]

the only time it's like bad is if it's a marauder hammer in which case rip

[thin lantern]

Not too hard to fix scorch

[strange kite]

i wasnt even planning on doing a speedrun but it just turned out that way lul

[earnest nacelle]

and it was used for than, and I take chaos room everytime I see

[silver oriole]

yeah a lot of these mechanics feel like rough drafts

but that's early access i guess maybe

[delicate cypress]

U guys think aspect of Charon on moonstone axe is good?

[zenith bolt]

shockingly, the early access game still has rough mechanics

[thin lantern]

Tbh I think Hades 2 has better fundamentals than 1.

[zenith bolt]

the early access game that mind you released like not even a week ago

[naive adder]

It’s be cool if scorch was like deals the full scorch counter over 4s. So the more of it applied the faster it gets applied. E.g 40 scorch over 4s is 10dps but 400 scorch is 100dps

[thin lantern]

Like... Seriously. I think the foundation of this game's gameplay is stronger, and the rough spots are outliers.

[brittle prairie]

A lot of these seem very easily addressed so I wouldnt call them rough drafts gameplay wise, just in much need of balamcing, the glory mechanoc on oersephone skull is laughably implemented despite the passive omega damage arguably making it the best skull at the moment

[silver oriole]

the variety feels more like actual variety
just unfortunately half of it feels undertuned

[zenith bolt]

not to say it's immune from criticism (like, that's whole of it being EA lol)

[heady cradle]

Yeah Hades 2 has kept my interest for a long period of time without getting burn out far better than 1 did. Just wish there was more stuff to do.

[sonic snow]

Any recommended aspect of artemis builds ?

[thin lantern]

The first game was way too pigeonholed into meta gameplay approaches tbh

[zenith bolt]

its ok moros is hot that is all i need

[strange kite]

i dunno. i find that hades 1 is very very solid fundamentally too. ofc hades 1 is full release not early access

[pastel elm]

i miss sd and double dash

[brittle prairie]

Aphrodite for Melee ajd honestly literally anything else thats good works

[strange kite]

i also prefer the melee of hades 1 by like… a lot

[silver oriole]

doubledash too strong

[solid forum]

what is the fastest time we have seen in the community so far?

[thin lantern]

I mean yeah but the mechanics here seem to be more well rounded... I prefer the pacing and style of this though

[strange kite]

melee in this game is high key feelsbad compared to 1

[thin lantern]

Dash spam is fun for a bit but I get tired of constantly hammering it.

Eh. I like melee here. Axe feels good except for a few clunky input frames

[strange kite]

the dagger has too much animation lock for what is supposed to be a fast melee short range weapon

[brittle prairie]

Axe would feel great with some fine tuning/bug fixing

[thin lantern]

Staff combo feels good but is undertuned damage wise.

[strange kite]

literally skull is better melee than daggers i think

[zenith bolt]

my best underworld is 21:38.43 with momus on 12 fear, and my best surface is 11:01.74 with thanatos on 0 fear

[strange kite]

like why would u have a buffered final hit that screws ur dash cancel?

[torn nest]

Whats the best use of stardust

[silver oriole]

feels pretty good to me

[silver oriole]

dagger crit/parry build was pretty damn strong to me

[brittle prairie]

its sad when aspect of momus uncharged special dwarfs staff melee

[steel sequoia]

my best is 24m with axe

[thin lantern]

...dash cancel? If you want to play hit and run you can use omega attack/special

[strange kite]

if u dash on the stabs and u have another attack buffered the final attack stops ur dash from converting to sprint

[timber verge]

I'm just waiting for the boons to finally start feeling good.
Both quality and quantity are lacking in that department right now.
I was skeptical from the day they annoucned the game how they'll handle them.
There's only so manay damage archetypes

[sudden belfry]

got my first nightmare, now to decide which aspect would most benefit from it...

[brittle prairie]

the chaos trial reward? familiar treats

[forest veldt]

and all other ranged options

[zenith bolt]

it's primarily used for making animal crackers, you need 20 of those (10 star dust) to max both familiars. you also need 1 star dust to level up your death defiances

[strange kite]

u cant dash cancel thats the problem

[zenith bolt]

if you do every trial you should have more than enough star dust for everything rn

[forest veldt]

can u dash cancel any other final hit after giving input?

[torn nest]

Whats the other familiar? The cat or the dog creature that dissapeared from the base

[thin lantern]

I dunno, maybe trying to play it exactly like Hades 1 is the problem tbh

[brittle prairie]

well I wouldnt say that with certain dagger daedalus but yeah

[zenith bolt]

there's the cat and the frog

[distant ocean]

anyone have any success with attack builds for the Torch?

[strange kite]

ur all missing the point. try it out in game. attacks and try to dash out before the final attack

[brittle prairie]

Cat in Surface Area 2

[torn nest]

Hey I know you!!! We encounter each other yet again!!

[brittle prairie]

I was about to say

[strange kite]

yes. its called skull

[torn nest]

Yeah you lost me I havent found it

[forest veldt]

the staff special double is best dps, pan daggers good tho

[distant ocean]

every single torch hammer I pick up is attack and it never delivers lol

[thin lantern]

Very easily. Hera attack+aphro dash on eos torch destroys everything

[forest veldt]

oh ya, but thats not a combo move

[solid forum]

my best is 14m with axe so far

[steel sequoia]

this feels painful

[thin lantern]

Seriously, eos torch is busted with origination and huntress

[distant ocean]

yeah maybe I should be using eos, maybe that's the issue :T

[thin lantern]

Lmao what are you using?

[distant ocean]

melinoe ofc

[strange kite]

and? why is having a melee combo supposed to be so bad for u?

[thin lantern]

Mel aspect is meh, Moros is amazing but bugged to death

[thin lantern]

I don't think you actually understood that response

[strange kite]

i dont care if its a combo or not. i want melee to not be sucky and if its sucky i wont use it for melee

[forest veldt]

just saying its not a dagger specific problem if u cant dash cancel any other combo. not sure if would be good tbh becuase then cant use dash to reposition for final hit

[strange kite]

no ur not understanding my response

[thin lantern]

Sure whatever

[brittle prairie]

Is that the on where they return to you on dash?

[thin lantern]

Yup. With furious fire you can literally just weave rings around enemies at lightning speed too

[strange kite]

my response is that if combo screws u then maybe a fast melee combo shouldnt have a final combo hit that makes dodging so bad

[serene halo]

what build for fear 12+

[thin lantern]

Just get hera magick or you're boned later

[strange kite]

especially with 1 dodge and sprint being a big mechanic

[brittle prairie]

That definietely feels like the most usable torch aspect, esp woth fixed damage sources

[distant ocean]

with aphrodite all builds are melee \ [T]/

[thin lantern]

Also, the end hit of the dagger combo legit feels the best for me lmao

[strange kite]

otherwise ur better off never combo attacking

[forest veldt]

fair, maybe they could reduce or remove the movement speed reduction for melee. would be interesting

[thin lantern]

Especially with Apollo.

[solid forum]

poseidon and aphro duo though <3

[serene halo]

._.

[distant ocean]

I still haven't unlocked the boon codex

[thin lantern]

I had an apollo attack on my dagger one time and it was chunking like 1/3 of the screen for massive damage

[brittle prairie]

Yeah the dagger melee combo feels like the best atm

[distant ocean]

wuts dat one do @solid forum ?

[forest veldt]

momus, poseidon special, double special hammer is best in game

[thin lantern]

Hilarious. No need to dash cancel if everything is dead

[serene halo]

yes but boring

[distant ocean]

subjective

[solid forum]

gives some damage resist and makes all aphrodites boons always count as "close-up" no matter where the enemy is

[brittle prairie]

Dagger Daeadalus updgrades make a lit of other weapon's daedalus feel ubdertuned esp in terms of base damage boosts

[distant ocean]

I think it's pretty fun

[solid forum]

basically ranged aphrodite

[forest veldt]

use pan dagger special then, slower than momus but also good

[thin lantern]

Man, that would be crazy on the torches lmao

Eos torch with aphro attack and pos duo boon. Nasty nasty stuff.

[distant ocean]

solid

[thin lantern]

I took an unleveled eos torch to 16 fear eris and crushed her

[distant ocean]

that probably says more about you as a player

[serene halo]

Is aphrodite special than poseidon on the torches? 🤔

[thin lantern]

16 minutes total, 2 DDs burned to sheer reckless unga bunga, but the torch carried

[brittle prairie]

Anypne else feel like Zues' priming skills are a bit too expensive?

[strange kite]

i find pan to be faster than momus at least on low heat. and definitely more reliable. probably just better overall than momus on low heat

[thin lantern]

Nope. I'm a Bad player. Legitimately terrible. I lost a coarse grit axe run vs Chronos

[topaz peak]

boons?

[serene halo]

🤔

[thin lantern]

Eos torch with origination proc and hera magick boon is just that broken.

[brittle prairie]

oh Morph Hex feels horrible

[forest veldt]

think zeus is meant for low or no mana runs, so not rly an issue

[thin lantern]

Which aspect? Can be good

[distant ocean]

ouch lol does coarse grit take effect before % reductions like strength?

[serene halo]

the one that lasts longer

[brittle prairie]

Thays part of the issue though, the benefot to keeping it that low is practocally non exostant

[topaz peak]

what are the boons and aspects for that?

[thin lantern]

It takes effect after DR I believe, so a big hit reduced to 15 won't go lower

[silver oriole]

what's a good god for buffing omega moves for staff

[forest veldt]

there is lots of benefits, free fear, card for bonus attack and special dmg, and can prime whatever. assuming not using any omega skills

[thin lantern]

6 earth and demeter infusion.

[brittle prairie]

Apollo

[silver oriole]

i have sworn strike + double cataclysm rn

[thin lantern]

Apollo, Hera, maybe Dem in a pinch

[thin lantern]

What do those do?

[distant ocean]

meh

[bleak night]

Did you do all the Chaos Trials before you cleared the testaments by any chance? I'm also at 28/30, but I do distinctly recall two Nightmares dropping from bosses after I beat them in Trials, but I couldn't pick em up and just got sent back

[topaz peak]

aspect?

[brittle prairie]

The reloability of finding prime effects strong enough to warrant not having omega moves practocally at all seems a bit risky for the reward

[silver oriole]

double cataclysm makes omega attack hit twice forward, but not backwards

sworn strike is just hitch + high dmg% buff

it's heroic tho so that's nice

[thin lantern]

Still the most broken boon in the game. Especially since Heph is a prime earth source and he has magick to health

[thin lantern]

Huh? Any. Coarse grit is an infusion.

[spare kite]

Priming to 0 doesn't work for that card

[forest veldt]

fair, i meant if ur specially building for normal attack or special. agree that wouldn't be great to attempt to pivot mid run

[thin lantern]

Ah right. Yeah Hera is good. You can chunk hard.

[heady cradle]

I'm pretty sure I cleared the Testaments first before I cleared the trials. Been awhile though.

At least I don't remember missing any from clearing them.

[brittle prairie]

When Chronos is doing 30+ per hit reducing it all to 15 max is pretty invaluable

[bleak night]

Ah, then it must just be two unimplemented testaments if they're the same for the both of us

[thin lantern]

Reducing his 999 hit to a facetank 15 is the funniest thing ever

[tough pasture]

Question...what is the small icon showing like x5 or x30? I don't get that...

[brittle prairie]

THAT WORKS??? lmao

[strange kite]

0 mana momus runs are real and legit. u take off mana regen and omega crit get 7 grasp and 4 completely free heats

[spare kite]

Revenge boons like zeus's can proc multiple times, maybe that?

[thin lantern]

Yes. You can just stand there beating him to death with enough health.

[tough pasture]

It's on the crossroads weapons unlock menu.

[distant ocean]

unless you play low life all the time anyway and every hit is already 15 or below

[brittle prairie]

thats amount of items on the stack needed for the material, that or gained upon acquisotion

[bleak night]

Yes

[thin lantern]

Low health runs are a personal choice kek

[tough pasture]

Hmmm...ok. I'll see if that's it.

[sudden belfry]

The chaos test with the heph axe is literally insane
Def trying to set up something similar on my next run

[thin lantern]

If you're running Strength, though, Coarse Grit effectively gives you more EHP. You can get 3 effective hits if you have, say, 45 health

[brittle prairie]

Low Health runs feel a bit too rng dependent on the boons/ rewards you get to make them consistent

[thin lantern]

I really don't like how Momus is designed though

[brittle prairie]

if you're rewarded for stayong sub 50 health and you take 15 per hit you still die in 4 hits

[strange kite]

i do

[thin lantern]

It's such a boring way to play, one button.

[distant ocean]

yeah coarse grit's gonna give you more but yeah, defense is always a grain of salt kinda thing, even when offered things like echo dodge lol what's the opportunity cost, if it's 5 extra seconds of dps on a boss how much taken damage pe second on average did you trade

[bleak night]

It'll get nerfed eventually since people keep talking about it

[thin lantern]

Well yeah, that's the thing, your 50 health could be one bad hit or four

[brittle prairie]

Id like it if it didnt just undermine the other aspects of the weapon

[strange kite]

i mean pan is also 1 button if u dont count cast luuul

[sudden belfry]

everyone stop talking abt momus NOW!!!!

[thin lantern]

Nerfed would make it boring and bad. It needs a rework full stop.

Its issue isn't that it's strong, the problem is that it's the most boring implementation and barely has a mechanic

[bleak night]

True ig

[strange kite]

well the mechanic is machine gun

[brittle prairie]

Im just comparing it to the Demeter Infusion thats low health 4 hits of 15 compared to 250+ eating 15 hits like nothing

[bleak night]

Mechanic is also on the other two, it just has a damage boost to it

[strange kite]

while pan mechanic is shotgun. i dont think the 1 button issue is an actual issue

[pastel bison]

I am so ass with the skull

[brittle prairie]

Low HP arcana is only a 50% additove boost too, which is not a lot of reward for risk strats

[distant ocean]

nature of the beast lol

[brittle prairie]

spam the Omega special

[bleak night]

Whacha tryna do with it, I'm playing a bit more Skull atm

[strange kite]

in 1 the zag fist was literally 15% dodge

[thin lantern]

I would say the staff special should be slowed down and the damage boosted

[tough pasture]

As a h1 vet (beat lots of high heat challenges), I'm struggling with the combat in h2.

I can't quite figure out why...Maybe it's because I'm playing on controller this time around.

[forest veldt]

low hp is rly good w/ antler. u can near insta phase bosses

[thin lantern]

Also the actual mechanic of Momus omega special is godawful

[distant ocean]

it's not even risky strats if things don't live long enough to bea risk

[brittle prairie]

Well yeah but thats coming mainly from Antler and less so Strength

[thin lantern]

I think it needs a redesign

[strange kite]

okay that i agree with

[thin lantern]

Do people actually like Artemis btw? It sounds so clunky

[strange kite]

like wtf is this heal 50% by spamming into a wall nonsense?

[forest veldt]

antler is rly good, but its also a free 50% dmg which is a lot

[distant ocean]

@thin lantern artemis is my favorite aspect

[thin lantern]

Guan Yu but dumb

[brittle prairie]

Really easy to get 50% crit rate its pretty absurd even if its daggers are weaker

[bleak night]

it's 40% crit rate at max btw

[strange kite]

the healing is so small its not even viable in combat

[brittle prairie]

50% additive when there are other additive damage cards? not really

[thin lantern]

Uh... How do you time the parry, actually

[brittle prairie]

I was reffering to Artemis Dagger Aspect

[bleak night]

Oh, gotcha

[distant ocean]

It was the first one I fully maxed, aswell, even if you disregard the free everything block every 15seconds or the free 50% crit chance on all damage for 9 hits afterwards, it still has 60% charge speed on a very strong attack that also functions as a get out of jail free card, nothing not to love

[brittle prairie]

you dont time it you just hold omega attack until you get hit, it auto parries and you have imvuln for 1 second to let it rip and reposition

[thin lantern]

Is it a radial block?

[distant ocean]

complete imperviousness

[thin lantern]

Huh. Interesting, I guess.

[brittle prairie]

its like the sprint shield from hermes

[distant ocean]

literally has the same animation as impervious, too, survives chronos ohko even lol and it lasts for one second after the parry so you can't get shotgunned after it falls

[bleak night]

I'll stop playing Axe for a little while to get better with the other weapons, I think I've hit a Fear wall already that I can't get past

[pastel bison]

What build would you suggest for trying it out

[meager wadi]

best boons/gods for attack umbral flames build

[thin lantern]

It sounded kind of awful to me at first, but if it does that then sure I guess

[forest veldt]

it is tho, dont think there is better way to scale dmg than flat poseidon w/ cards for % inc

[brittle prairie]

no timing needed, you just need to react wothon 1 second

[bleak night]

what aspect are we doing ?

[thin lantern]

Pan is a little boring alongside Momus.

[pastel bison]

Artemis

[bleak night]

ah, I'm terrible at that one

[thin lantern]

My new favorite aspect is Eos, though. By far.

Eos is nutty good and not plagued by bugs like moros

[strange kite]

people have said aphro for melee daggers

[sturdy trail]

What's the best Attack boon for the Torches in your guys opinion?

[strange kite]

i mean aphro is always solid on melee so yeah

[distant ocean]

you can play artemis exactly like pan sans spiral knives, just trigger riposte and unload 50% crit chance hook knives, OR you can go skulking with the 400% ambush, that's also strong, in both cases I would use aphrodite, since you'll be melee knifing at all times

[brittle prairie]

Its only drawback is a 15 second cooldown but 9 hits of 50% crit is enough to nuke most heapthbars on screen

[thin lantern]

I kinda regret dumping nightmares into moros when it's straight up bugged

[sturdy trail]

wdym

[distant ocean]

aphrodite attack and special, with demeter cast and apollo sprint, the standard.

[brittle prairie]

how I feel maxing thanatps when the mobile cyclone hammer is bugged for it

[bleak night]

I found it pretty good when I tried it, and I don't even like Torch

[thin lantern]

That depends. If you're on Eos, you run aphro or hera... Moros uses apollo

[pastel bison]

Sick thank you

[distant ocean]

The strength of artemis really is it's versatility, and almost none of the hammers are bad for it where as with pan if you ain't pulling spiral you're not gaining much, and with staff if you don't pull moonshot :T

[tall notch]

Is anyone else's Zeus cast (the thing that makes it ranged) acting weird after using the hex that transforms you into a nightmare thing? This just killed a run of mine

[thin lantern]

Oh. The collision on the attack is busted and more attack speed breaks it, you get a useless straight line of ghosts.

[bleak night]

not doin Skull anymore then ?

[thin lantern]

That and the ghosts often fly past enemies instead of stopping on them and bunching up into a nuke.

[pastel bison]

Not vibin with it atm. Ill come back to it at some point

[oak ginkgo]

I cannot for the life of me figure out ||how to use aspect of Persephone. I’m not seeing Glory proc at all||

[bleak night]

ah, I see. I'm having some fun with it atm

[spare kite]

This and the hestia boon are bugged with this rn iirc, seen it mentioned a lot

[thin lantern]

Oh, it's good. When it works.

Problem is that like 3 different things break it

[pastel bison]

Too bad I cant get any nightmares for daggers since it was just randomly removed from my testaments lol

[thin lantern]

F10 and wait

[brittle prairie]

Persephone would be more fun if glory was reasonable to utilize

[meager wadi]

aspect of eos build?

[distant ocean]

takes awhile, the point of persophone more so than not is just to buff the special Ω

[torn nest]

I think the torches are just booty

[brittle prairie]

its extreemely slow buildup, an afterthought at best

[oak ginkgo]

How long is the buildup?

[brittle prairie]

nah EoS is insanely good, just the only really good one sadly

[thin lantern]

Hera attack, aphro dash, hera magick, whatever you like in special or cast (it doesn't matter, but curses on cast are good), furious fire or probably split shot or something

[zenith bolt]

on my grind https://i.imgur.com/4UOMCVd.jpeg

[brittle prairie]

too long for me to measure

[thin lantern]

Incorrect, build/skill issue tbh

[zenith bolt]

grahh i need like 35 fate fabric

[torn nest]

Youre a big guy

[spare kite]

"save through the entire biome to have full by boss" slow

[thin lantern]

Mel torches are undercooked, moros is bugged, but eos works as intended so it's busted

[thin lantern]

I'm not a guy. Sorry.

[brittle prairie]

Mel Totches feel like they do nothing

[zenith bolt]

Is The Solution to fighting eris Thugging That ---- Out?
https://i.imgur.com/5ADZpen.png

[meager wadi]

got some builds :0?

[torn nest]

For you

[spare kite]

When in doubt, hestia sprint

[thin lantern]

Grug brain max aggression, literally just glue yourself to her butt and unload dps

[brittle prairie]

Ah this seems like pain

[zenith bolt]

me reacting with skull emoji in real life https://i.imgur.com/CUhWXBv.png

[thin lantern]

What are you talking about? Are you troll pinging or just babbling

[thin lantern]

Just replied to you with one. Scroll up

[torn nest]

Clearly youve never watched The Dark Knight rises

[heady cradle]

I liked the basic torches more when I realized the omega special can be cast multiple times back to back for just a massive wall of death. Used Hera and everything melts at once when it tries to touch you. Definitely better builds out there though.

[strange kite]

torch is ass and everybody knows it

[zenith bolt]

save me aphrodite

[strange kite]

not completely unuseable

[thin lantern]

You can have 6 spinning fireballs around you at any given moment so that works, but it's kinda boring

[meager wadi]

oh mb lol

[strange kite]

but still ass

[zenith bolt]

we ball, i think https://i.imgur.com/9p0q753.png

[thin lantern]

As is usual when people believe something based on commonly held opinions, "everyone knows" is wrong

[strange kite]

i mean i tried torches

[torn nest]

Incorrect build/ skill issue tbh

[distant ocean]

I go back and forth every day on the assness of torch 🥲 right now I'veg ot hope just because felis

[brittle prairie]

Did you actually utilize EoS aspect well in usong them?

[strange kite]

this isnt just “everybody said it and i believe it” its i tried it out and cleared and wish i never tried

[thin lantern]

Can't be sarcastic with a true statement

[bleak night]

get em

[meager wadi]

@thin lantern hera attack just for rooms tho not bosses right

[thin lantern]

You problem maybe, you don't like dagger combo and I find the last hit to be the most useful

[strange kite]

no i didnt use aspect. i tried every weapon without aspect or any upgrades

[ionic moon]

torch is also meant to be a faster weapon, if more flat damage boons existed then it could be better

[thin lantern]

For everything. Bosses have adds. Hera has BIG DAMAGE and perma curse. Run origination

[brittle prairie]

Bosses have mobs, and even just for rooms its huge

[thin lantern]

...well there's your problem™️

[zenith bolt]

RAHHHHH https://i.imgur.com/viShN1Y.png

[strange kite]

skull felt great without upgrade or aspects. axe was good. staff was fine. dagger was also fine

[thin lantern]

"I tried everything with no aspects or levels and this sucked"

[glances at Aspect of Zagreus level 0]

[strange kite]

m8 i did it for every wepaon

[thin lantern]

Man, base rail unleveled also sucked

[strange kite]

what do u want from me? to have 100 nightmares?

[zenith bolt]

funny enough mel aspect on torches is one of the better mel aspects

[thin lantern]

I ran literally level 1 eos torch on 16 fear, first time using eos, and deleted eris.

[brittle prairie]

yeah thats not a complete set of data to form an opinion to gove to others when you havent interacted with what they are familiar with

[thin lantern]

What are you talking about? What nightmares?

[brittle prairie]

literally this, its extremely good compared to the ither 2 torches

[thin lantern]

Seriously tho do people not remember how godawful some zag aspects were at level 0

[thin lantern]

Moros is only bad because it doesn't function as intended. If it worked it would easily be a dps printer.

[strange kite]

i mean ur right. but im doing 1 check of the commonly held opinion. everybody else who says this is my ither data points

[thin lantern]

Mel torches are kinda boring but they can absolutely be made to work. Spam omega special and run into enemies with a blender

[brittle prairie]

really, if you want a self challenge sure, its obviously weaker to begin with by design to show prpgression once you do unlock stronger aspects

[thin lantern]

Commonly held opinions are almost always worthless and shouldn't even be considered data tbh

[strange kite]

like i cleared that run so its not like i just started a run and didnt even try and quit

[thin lantern]

Tbf, when upgraded, zag aspects do work. Mostly.

I still despise base sword with every fiber of my being.

[brittle prairie]

thats what I was implying

[zenith bolt]

honestly revenants are free fear on skull because you have so much mobility with just reg special

[frosty ruin]

Lmao what. That’s still data.

[spare kite]

Zag rail/bow pulled their weight (and zag shield by virtue of being a shield lmfao)

[strange kite]

thats not true. its worth considering but also verifying urself. u can take a commonly held opinion and test it out which is what i did

[frosty ruin]

It’s probably misguided, like a lot of things tend to be

[brittle prairie]

Data that is almost always ill informed at best

[strange kite]

if everybody feels that way theres a reason for it

[zenith bolt]

i cant wait for 2 weeks from now when people have mostly moved past all the kneejerk opinions formed by using things at the start of the game

[thin lantern]

Not really, it's just a solid chance of being completely a recursive "because other people said it" and not based on anything objective

[frosty ruin]

That doesn’t make it not data, you can’t just ignore the bad data. You have to take it into account or how will you ever know it’s bad

[thin lantern]

Yes, the reason is because humans are usually wired to go with the group regardless of factual accuracy

[tall notch]

Eos torches are probably like an A-tier weapon. Nowhere nearly as bad as people are making them out to be, but I wouldn't go as far as calling them OP

[strange kite]

okay but u say that like people didnt independently come to a conclusion and realize “oh u also didnt like torches? me too”

[thin lantern]

Ehhhh, I mean, if you reserve S tier for Momus and Pan, sure.

[brittle prairie]

You can acknowledge it while dismissing it with technical knowledge of the system, alot of it can simply be dismissed by running the numbers alone

[tall notch]

I'd put Pan and Than in S-tier. Momus is its own thing and seriously needs reworking

[brittle prairie]

most people dont get the distinction between additive, base, and multiplicatove damage increases

[strange kite]

because thats what actualy happened. ur pretending like one person said it and everybody echoes that 1 person but thats not whats ahppening. multiple people tried out torches and everybody had a common experience with torches

[thin lantern]

Because they probably didn't. Or they didn't bother to learn and just threw their first impressions out there, and saw others repeating it, so they ran with it all the way to "torches objectively bad" instead of "torches feel bad to start with and are hard to get used to", which would be reasonable

[brittle prairie]

Than is too bugged and laggy id say

[thin lantern]

Than is an ehhhh to me. Bugged out nearly as bad as moros

[dry tree]

Is there a resource out there for which sources are which in this game?

[brittle prairie]

of it didnt get its crit buildup gutted by daedalus itd be pretty solid

[zenith bolt]

than is bugged? how so? unless you mean psychic whirlwind which isn't like that bad

[thin lantern]

Persephone does big stonks even if its mechanic is broke though

[thin lantern]

Psychic, advancing, anything that changes your omega attack.

Momus is definitely outlier tier

[zenith bolt]

advancing would be dog regardless and psychic is busted even without having all the crit at once

[brittle prairie]

not beyond testing, most increases are additive, base damage up is explained, crits are multiplicative

[thin lantern]

I didn't, kek.

[strange kite]

so what are u saying?

[dry tree]

Done any testing with burn effects?

[thin lantern]

My first run was fine. I play twinstick shooters on kbm.

[torn nest]

I just did the Eos chaos trail and wow. This weap is terrible lol

[thin lantern]

Also I bother to try things more than once.

[torn nest]

I was lied to

[brittle prairie]

Burn is flat damage, each hit applies the same amount and ot deals damage from that pool at 40 DPS

[thin lantern]

Chaos trials also don't represent weapons properly in late game. No arcana selection or trinket variety

[thin lantern]

Do you know how to use it though

[brittle prairie]

Chaos Trials dont gove a good idea of how weapons play at all

[tall notch]

Than is S-tier for its interaction with zeus cast alone

[thin lantern]

Like. Are you just starting attack, stopping, and dashing? Or are you holding attack and dashing to keep up the dps

[strange kite]

thats not even flat damage. thats flat dps. like heph. poseidon is the only flat damage core god i think. zeus has flat damage support boon.

[thin lantern]

That seems like a bug. Apollo doesn't trigger it

Zeus cast stacking crit is almost certainly a bug unless other casts do it, then apollo not is a bug

[brittle prairie]

Zues has a lot of flat damage effects, as dpes hapheastus they just dont apply every hit you do

[thin lantern]

I don't think it should though. That steps on the toes of Charon

[strange kite]

is zeus not per hit?

[wet nova]

Tried a aspect of Thanatos Hephaestus sprint build it definitely needs more protection or something

[thin lantern]

Chain is. Blitz no

[strange kite]

the chain lightning from priming mana should be per hit right?

[brittle prairie]

no its almost all corcumstantial flat damage beyond chain lightning

[thin lantern]

Chain lightning is BS good

[strange kite]

yes thats what im saying

[thin lantern]

Blitz is status proc and detonate, like Merciful End Doom

[brittle prairie]

the only really crazy zues boon it feels, fun to stack woth artemis arrows

[strange kite]

zeus is flat damage from support boon and then blitz im very confused about

[thin lantern]

Blitz is doom 2.0, based on damage rather than time

[brittle prairie]

Flat Damage on a delay is still flat damage

[thin lantern]

It's extremely simple. Hit once to curse. Hit 120 damage total to detonate. Best with axe, etc

Total as in after any increases.

[strange kite]

do u reapply on the same hit that pops it?

[thin lantern]

There's a funny blitz setup where you toss zeus blitz onto a fast attack type and throw blitzes into an apollo cast

[strange kite]

if not then it sucks if so then its good

[brittle prairie]

Blitz feels very delayed in when the proc deals damage

[thin lantern]

Have not tested. Not sure if the applying hit can detonate itself too though

[distant ocean]

https://ibb.co/Xk6g6vd 1000 psyche to get my sprint back

[thin lantern]

If we could summon boons in the skelly room it would be so much easier

[brittle prairie]

Having used it a lot I can comfortably say there is something that messes with it executing damage as soon as 120 damage is dealt

[strange kite]

zeus sounds like a weird case of % damage with special nuances. that doesnt crit lul.

[pastel bison]

Are you guaranteed to see Hammer in end of the 2nd biome shop if you dont have one yet

[distant ocean]

probably not idk tho

[forest veldt]

no, there is a delay between the hit to trigger and the damage

[brittle prairie]

Its not % though?

[strange kite]

in theory if it procced exactly every 120 damage no questions asked then it would be good but i doubt thats how it works

[strange kite]

it sorta is but it isnt

[thin lantern]

Bugged maybe, try f10 or something if it's broken

[brittle prairie]

its not at all

[strange kite]

no it is but it isnt.

ur not understanding the theory behind it

[brittle prairie]

Ot tells you how much it does it does that flat amount of damage, thats not a percentage of anything

[strange kite]

which is dont either because i dont know the exact mechanics and details of when it procs and applies

[thin lantern]

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand blitz

[brittle prairie]

There is no circumstance where you can call it percent damage

[strange kite]

okay if i told u that for every 50 damage u deal u get an extra 50 damage detonate on top of it

what do u call that?

[brittle prairie]

Thats flat damage

[strange kite]

nani

[forest veldt]

u get a flat 50 damage ontop of ur dmg

it doesn't change ur 50 dmg hits it adds 50

[brittle prairie]

it is not a percentage of damage dealt, or a percentage of enemy health

[earnest nacelle]

it's flat, you can of course think of it as a %, but you can do that with poseidon

[brittle prairie]

its a fixed base value

[earnest nacelle]

you can calculate how much a % increase in dps, but it's not % damage

[strange kite]

poseidon isnt because poseidon doesnt care how much damage u deal. it only cares about hits

the difference is zeus scales off dps while poseidon scales of hits per second

[brittle prairie]

neither does zues, he just cares that you hit enough damage to meet a threshold that doesnt vary on a percentage scale

[forest veldt]

zeus is flat dmg over x dmg dealt, poseidon is flat dmg per hit

[earnest nacelle]

zeus doesn't reaally scale with dps either. If you do 1000 damage per hit or 2000 damage per hit, that hit can only proc blitz once

[strange kite]

right which is why i said its % damage but it isnt

[brittle prairie]

It just isnt

[strange kite]

because its almost like % damage with nuances

no because zeus scales sorta off ur dps but not exactly

[distant ocean]

if you can do 120dmg in a hit you trigger it most often

[earnest nacelle]

well, zeus is like poseidon if you do 120 damage every hit (kinda)

[strange kite]

if u have a continuous dps applying 1 damage at a time then zeus is exactly % damage

[brittle prairie]

Fixed Damage based on your DPS isnt percent damage

[strange kite]

but because zeus depends on hits it isnt actually % damage

[distant ocean]

but it's fixed damage with the caveat that scaling damage affects it's threshold.

[brittle prairie]

but it isnt percentage at all because the value applied is still fixed regardless pf what damage values you need to apply it

[strange kite]

yes it is. that’s exactly what % damage is. except it scales off ur overall dps and is multiplicative with everything instead of adding on top of ur existing % damage multipliers

[brittle prairie]

its effectiveness will vary, but it is still fixed damage

[earnest nacelle]

but at the end of the day, the amount of damage zeus does is fixed per 120 damage. You can think of it as % (damage / damage), but it's not % as a function of your damage, it's a % of 120.

[strange kite]

okay u either understand it or u dont

[brittle prairie]

All you're doing is visualizong ot as a percentage of damage dealt, the same can be done with poseidon

that doesnt make poseidon oercentage damage

[bleak night]

Why don't you people just test it or something

[strange kite]

i dont know how to be more clear than saying that zeus is nuanced multiplicative percent damage but depends on the discrete damage chunks per hit which changes it’s effectiveness

[thin lantern]

You say this every time you're incorrect.

[distant ocean]

eh, it doesn't really matter. for the purposes of how the fixed number itself scales it isn't percentage, but it's affected by other percentage scaling damage sources and this is just semantics really :B

[strange kite]

because poseidon doesnt scales off dps at all

[brittle prairie]

this literally applies to all forms of flat damage, you are making a non-statement

[strange kite]

u can be doing literally 0 dps and poseidon will still make u melt face as long as u machine gun out 0 damage shots

[forest veldt]

poseidon does scale off dps, the more hits the more poseidon dmg. can do same for him

[brittle prairie]

in terms of attack output it does

[distant ocean]

im sure he meant it doesn't scale off dps uniquely, both gods are affected by attack speed

[strange kite]

and poseidon doesnt scale off ur % damage multipliers or crit multipliers at all. zeus does. unless ur dealing 200 damage axe swings in whichc case it doesnt

[forest veldt]

meant to show the argument applies to both

[zenith bolt]

just had the coolest eris fight i've had yet

[brittle prairie]

Blitz Doesnt Really either it just procs more often you can measure a percentage of the flat damage you deal per hit, but its still flat damage

[bleak night]

How'd it go ?

[distant ocean]

but blitz is impacted indirectly by increasing the percentage damage of your other attacks up until and such that you may do 120 with every little hit, which if you can get that it would vastly outperform a lot of other gods

[strange kite]

poseudon doesnt. if u get special weapon damage multipliers u dont get increased poseidon damage at all

[earnest nacelle]

what he's saying is that dps lets you proc blitz faster -> therefore blitz dps scales off your dps -> therefore blitz is dmg%

[strange kite]

u can be on meli staff and poseidon scales the same way as if ur on maxed out momus

[forest veldt]

it does off global % inc, not special mb

[zenith bolt]

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[brittle prairie]

Im aware but you can really make that argument about any damage applied indirectly

[brittle prairie]

it does scale off of different global percent modifiers

[strange kite]

sure but not off weapon based like momus vs meli

thats what im saying here.

[wet nova]

This argument is so brain dead😭😂

[bleak night]

clean fight, nice

[forest veldt]

tru, but that doesn't mean its not flat

[strange kite]

poseidon is flat

[bleak night]

lol

[distant ocean]

blitz is also innately flat :T

[strange kite]

blitz is not flat damage

[brittle prairie]

Zues is flat damage, both can be modified by other damage increases

[wet nova]

You made a special only build interesting, I was waiting for a Persephone buff beforehand

[distant ocean]

flat is love tho, so is flat aphrodite/

[brittle prairie]

even Hapheastus can too

[wet nova]

Cos rn Persephone is so dead

[strange kite]

blitz is absolutely not flat damage. u slap blitz damage on momus staff and its not flat at all

blitz might be flat on axe spins but thats why i said its nuanced

[distant ocean]

couldn't be, aphrodite is curvaceous

[wet nova]

Hephaestus is % damage guys if you sprint faster you do the Hephaestus sprint faster

[earnest nacelle]

this is like arguing whether integration is continuous or discrete

[bleak night]

isn't Persephone not getting a damage boost when you Special through the enemy like that? Iirc only the Omega Special gets the 30% boost

[brittle prairie]

Persephone despite glory being a non factor is arguably the best skull still cause of the omega damage boost

[forest veldt]

just because you can trigger it differently on different weapons doesn't hcange the type of damage. its flat dmg that procs every x amount fo dmg dealt

[zenith bolt]

worst feeling https://i.imgur.com/B2wP9nZ.png

[distant ocean]

i don't get it, what's that mean?

[earnest nacelle]

at extremely fine chunks of damage, sure zeus is continous (damage%)

[bleak night]

if you have a Chaos trial, probs do it

[wet nova]

Go fish or bathe

[strange kite]

dear god

[zenith bolt]

yea but i like having the omega special boost for mobbing bc it's more important to spam omega then

[distant ocean]

what about momus staff makes it unflat lol im genuinely curious and simply want to understand

[wet nova]

Yh I guess but omega not having protection sucks

[brittle prairie]

higher dps, thats literally it

[bleak night]

fishing or bathing is 12 tho, so I save that for when I have seeds planted or smth

[wet nova]

I’ve died a few times cos of it or taken heavy damage

[zenith bolt]

and it's more "i don't like medea attacks bc it messes with my ability to set statuses with base attack"

[strange kite]

u figure it out im done explaining things to people who wont listen or even take a moment to think about what im saying

[distant ocean]

ah, eh, lol

[earnest nacelle]

fishing doesn't work, it doesn't pass time

[brittle prairie]

You absolutely have i-frames during the omega special

[zenith bolt]

omega special on every skull is invuln

[forest veldt]

their argument is that since the dmg is based off the dmg u deal, that makes it % damage not flat. but that doesn't change the type of dmg. just how often it triggers

[distant ocean]

you tried captain, this is a weird hill anyways

[wet nova]

You sure, maybe I always get caught out at end

[distant ocean]

you'll get em next time soldier 🫡

[bleak night]

lol.

[zenith bolt]

ig its time to bathe with odysseus