h2-builds-and-combat

[sturdy meteor]

how much mana do you spend when casting omega special on your dual blades ?

was wondering if heart throb would be good on it

[shell swan]

beyond poseidon special you can go for hestia cast + the hestia/poseidon duo boon, or the poseidon legendary duo boon, both of which are massive dps increases

[glossy rivet]

so momus also doesnt need lots of nmare invested in it right?

i should try this

[shell swan]

it gets a lot better with nmare but half of the damage comes from poseidon anyway, like you can even do it with base staff

[warm rivet]

I think it was 10

[warm rivet]

Nvm that’s omega attack

[shell swan]

dual blades special omega is 3 per blade, up to 15 total

[warm rivet]

Anyone knows about that?

[shell swan]

aspect of pan is more depending on how upgraded it is

im pretty sure its min 1 but maybe im wrong

[warm rivet]

Ty

[tired fulcrum]

Well they probably dont have a maxed momus so they really want the hammer

[bleak night]

Torches left on the testament board https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1239116813292535939/image.png?ex=6641c0f5&is=66406f75&hm=2194d1d3b169867400f942645d961960bb54b804b0a1821c3136b824e1967d23

I think I'll just learn to use it now

[novel raft]

Hey ! Can somebody help me with a build that can bring me to Cronos ? I always have bad boons combos and always end in dying x)

[frosty lodge]

''TRIAL OF HASTE'' is there a way to pass this? It is almost impossible, there is not enough time or damage, I am very angry, this is a very ridiculous challenge.

I'm not a god level player, I did everything perfectly

[visual marlin]

anyone found a way to do well with ygnium? It's the weakest of all the weapons in my opinion atm. Wanted to see if there were any Ygnium enjoyers that specialize in it, and pick your brains. To me it feels like a really slow weapon that doesn't do enough damage unless you ramp up (which means you need like infinite mana to feel spammy enough with it), but that also takes away from your mobility especially in small, crowded rooms. Idk, the weapon just feels the least "intuitive" in my mind.

[split igloo]

Ygnium are torches, right ? idk, everytimei try i end up dying in easi rooms, the weapons just doesnt feel like a weapon, i feel like im a cheerleader when i use them idk

[azure pawn]

the one run i won with it involved spamming omega special, theres a hammer that gives you +1 flame summoned. this plus poseidon's special attack boon made it super easy to clear rooms

[visual marlin]

that's exactly my problem!

[split igloo]

i feel just like dancing around without any move speed and getting killed by the most average mobs

[azure pawn]

i feel like if you do not have a decent amount of keepsakes and arcanas unlocked it might be harder to get the torch to work

[sturdy meteor]

from how much ive played them i do think scorch build on attacks is the right way , along with ways to reduce mana cost maybe using hera orr the hammer (both if possible) and then just focusing on defences for everything else . also hepastes's anti armour boon is pretty good on it

[azure pawn]

scorch just feels really weak

[sturdy meteor]

it is

[visual marlin]

so, a very boons, arcana, keepsakes dependent weapon

[sturdy meteor]

but imo its the best one on dual flames currently

[split igloo]

+, even with the boon that says u blast the scorch dazmages when u stack 300 of them imo

[sturdy meteor]

yeah scorch + 300 stack thing is what i went with

[azure pawn]

yeah, you need to compensate fro the lack of stagger on the special and the attack just plain sucks, but i haven't had too many runs with it

[sturdy meteor]

and then just put everything else on defence and stuff

[sturdy meteor]

i dont use special on dual flames its waaaaay too inconsistent

[azure pawn]

the omega special orbits around you, and aspect of mel gives it more duration so that makes it more consistent

[sturdy meteor]

and even the hammer upgrades are meh , unless you are going for aspect of moros and get the hammer that lets you shoot your special forward instead of curved

[visual marlin]

that's painful. I guess I'll do runs without it for now. I just keep getting baited into using it for Grave bonuses since I'm still pretty early on in the game. maybe 20-ish hours in?

[split igloo]

i legit only use special on them, it is inconsistent, but idk, i really dont like how the attack is atm, slowing you, dealing low damages, poor accuracy (that might just be me, but idk it feels awful to use)

[visual marlin]

I definitely feel that. The one time I did well was up to the second area (idk if we're spoiler-free here) with that upgrade that allows me to have both omega special and regular special up, with poseidon's pushback

meanwhile every other time I'm getting clapped by regular mobs

[azure pawn]

i think the attack of the torch takes way too long to begin channeling the omega version, which actually does good damage, you simply cant auto attack that long without needing to dodge

[visual marlin]

there are augments that give you faster channel speeds though yes?

[smoky venture]

I personnaly love the aspect of Moros on the torch, it makes it way funnier to play

[azure pawn]

i dont know how that works, does it just channel faster, or does it begin channeling faster?

[visual marlin]

I might give it a go, when I find the right materials

[split igloo]

yep, but the issue is that it's taking too long before it begin the channel

[visual marlin]

that's a wording issue SG might have to rewrite idk

[split igloo]

it's like, 3 or 4 attacks before it starts channeling to omega attacks

[smoky venture]

also, the torches with Poseidon is a good plan imo, you can keep distance with the mobs really easily

[visual marlin]

yea, that was the only build I felt worked really well, which is weird for a pair of torches to be shooting out balls of water

[vapid hatch]

how does one send images

[azure pawn]

poseidon + anything fast feels good to play

[visual marlin]

meanwhile hestia's scorch stacks seem to be better on lim and oros with the hermes attack speed boon

that might make it possible to stack the 300 multiple times for proper value

[smoky venture]

or something like Apollo's Sprint + torches Special + Demeter's Cast, it's a really fun build
(and Aphrodite's Heartthrobs)
You run in mobs, deal tons of damage and go back

[forest veldt]

its 6 vs 7 normal attacks before omega

[azure pawn]

hephaestus sprint is a funny hit and run build

[rich oxide]

When do you unlock Hera and what build would you recommend to defeat the Cyclops?

[rustic nexus]

I was doing an axe run with the aspect of Thanatos (increases crit% per hit with Ω moves) but i got a hammer which broke the aspect so spinning only gave me 1 % total, so i had to rely on Hephaestus sprint to carry the rest of the run (that thing did like 860 per blast lol)

[prisma cloud]

hey there

I am looking for staff build, could anyone suggest me some really good build for it

[wild cloak]

Haven't really seen the power of a lot of builds yet, how strong is Zeus Cast compared to other options?

It seems really overtuned tbh

[icy axle]

Any good arcana setups?

[forest veldt]

think u just need to get a boon from hera to unlock. staff special spam nice and easy, poseidon special, double special hammer, rest flexible

[forest veldt]

w/ double hits hammer, attack and special r both fine, special really good. poseidon for both

[forest veldt]

think zeus and apollo r best casts, but they take a while to trigger. can play safe if u have zeus or hestia cast aiming

[keen current]

I unlocked Hera after I had done my first surface run without the damage over time

[forest veldt]

depends on what build ur playing and how many cards / slots u have

[wild cloak]

Tbh, from what I've seen Zeus's cast is a tad too strong, my first successful run I melted basically everything with it (anything armored got shredded with the dash strike hammer for staff)

[forest veldt]

dmg super strong, just take a while to call down. if u haven't, apollo cast w/ apollo zues duo rly good

[icy axle]

Hmm, let's say for the axe. I have 29 grasp, and the only card I don;t have unlocked is judgement

[forest veldt]

regular or omega

[wild cloak]

Which is perfectly supplemented by the Melinoe aspect

[icy axle]

Regular

[forest veldt]

tru, dont think played w/ that yet. was doing axe aspects

[forest veldt]

any boon preferences

[icy axle]

Aphro or Apollo for Axe attacks works best right?

[forest veldt]

think so

[icy axle]

lets say apollo, I like the AoE

[wild cloak]

I think tier V speeds up the charge of it by 30%

[opal saffron]

Max aspect of melinoe for the axe is 25% Im pretty sure

[forest veldt]

can't post img, a good basic template is 12345, 12, 123, 145, 2 for the rows

[forest veldt]

ya its 30 speed for staff

[wild cloak]

Yeah 30% for the staff is wild

[forest veldt]

dont think that changes the charge time tho for cast explosion

[wild cloak]

Basically allows you to spam omega casts and omega attacks whenever you want

[icy axle]

The queen does not activate with this setup

[forest veldt]

r u going for a duo boon

[icy axle]

No, but you sayd 145 for the 4th row right?

[wild cloak]

Not actually sure

[forest veldt]

ah mb, 14. had 5th highlighed by cursor

[icy axle]

oh ok

It seems like grinding all the mats to upgrade everything is gonna be a pain lol

Is this setup good for aprho attack too?

[forest veldt]

should also work, might want the curse card tho

[icy axle]

origination?

[forest veldt]

ya, if ur only using regular could drop a bit if u don't need epic boons

[glossy rivet]

yo whats the least difficult 12 heat setup for axe?

[forest veldt]

but think they r good for aphro and apollo

[glossy rivet]

or ykno 12 fear

[modest finch]

wtf is that pfp

[forest veldt]

what attack/spec

[floral steppe]

Is a full fear run even possible? Enemies have so much hp and the time limit per region is so short.

[glossy rivet]

than axe? planning to use omega atk spam aphro with it

[forest veldt]

some free fear is the wandering and desperation if ur fast enough. rebuke might be fine w/ omega attack, 1 fury or haunting might also be fine since ur melee and can use cast to space, fill rest w/ blood, scars, or destruction

haunting kinda annoying tho

[glossy rivet]

alright then

[glossy rivet]

wb moros torches? is rebuke punishingo n torch? im thinking, apollo attack moros

[shell swan]

i feel like you could if you get early high rarity poseidon special w/ poseidon keepsake as well as early double special hammer

[wet nova]

Get the keepsake that activates after killing guardian to activate random arcana, make it activate judgement through some crazy rng (get 5 cards after clearing a guardian) then have 10 cards at least by chronos

[honest lodge]

finally beat Eris, yay me. did it with Pan

[forest veldt]

dont think they attack fast enough to make feel nice, can give it a shot tho

[white steppe]

i just unlocked medea this really is dollar store beowulf huh

[wet nova]

Worse since there’s a timer + no protection

Only time it’s pretty good is with the load all at once + 5 shells

[gusty ermine]

Does spin2win apply scorch on every hit? (Hestia's scorch attack boon)

That would be really busted, no?

[white steppe]

scorch by design cant be busted since you cant raise its damage per tick

[gusty ermine]

Yes, but it stacks, right? And then you get the boon that explodes all scorch dmg once you reach 300 scorch?
That has to be busted though?

[shell swan]

I mean there’s the legendary boon that raises fire damage, one of the duo boons raises fire damage, and also the 300 scorch explode one

[white steppe]

that's just playing orange colored zeus attack lul

[sturdy meteor]

damnn just got my first win

[gusty ermine]

Y, so it can be busted indeed I guess. But back to the question at hand. Does spin2win apply scorch on every hit?

[forest veldt]

it does

[honest lodge]

I've heard it's not but I haven't tried it. That said, her cast poms up like crazy

[wet nova]

Her scorch explosion attack is one of the best AOE clearing abilities tho

[honest lodge]

worth noting that on boss battles you often have some time in between landing the cast, so they take the damage in between. Also if it's build up it counts as a curse while it's going

[wet nova]

Where they explode upon death if they have scorch, used it on the ships and always cleared within 3/4s

[keen current]

Is there something I am missing about Zeus attack/special that would ever make it better than raising attack/special damage?

[grizzled prism]

What goes well with scorch?

[honest lodge]

I've been running it on pan daggers with hera special and it's pretty dope

[wet nova]

Yh at base it’s like 30/s so never reaches max damage but at like heroic it already starts staining on her

[wet nova]

Poseidon attack/special with the duo boon

[honest lodge]

the trick is just have the cast only. Decent secondary damage.

what's the duo?

[wet nova]

Cast scorch yh^ cos then you keep applying steam

[grizzled prism]

I’ll try it after giving my hands a break

[wet nova]

Steam on scorch affected does hit by Poseidon

[honest lodge]

so steam deals extra damage?

[shell swan]

Steam deals a very high amount of damage

[honest lodge]

OH

[wet nova]

It’s better than scorch at least 😂

[grizzled prism]

So Hestia + Poseidon with Artemis for crit

[wet nova]

Artemis is rng so can’t really count her

But Yh if she comes then nice

[grizzled prism]

Can’t believe Artemis replaces Thanatos from the first game

[honest lodge]

plus other hestia stuff is good on that build. Like the fireball cast and the magick regen. If you get a lot of fire the infusion is good too. I sometimes run heph with her on pan. Put heph on attack. You don't attack much so this lets you get a free couple hundred damage every so often, and a bunch more with the boon that does damage 5 seconds later. Great on bosses.

[forest veldt]

think poseidon is just a better version of hestia. he adds more flat dmg, so even if hestia got full scorch dmg w/ boon it wouldn't be better

[wet nova]

Nemesis kinda does not Artemis

Artemis helps whereas nemesis fights against you

[grizzled prism]

Oh yeah true

I don’t dig the magick stuff much, also kinda wish the fist weapon makes it back.

[wet nova]

Only thing I like it for is the priming boons

[forest veldt]

i haven't been able to find a magick build that was rly nice. hard to get enough regen to spam

[honest lodge]

hestia infusion adds flat damage that can be multiplied by other attack boons tho. This can get you more damage on low base damage attacks than poseidon gets you, at least single target. Though with hera attack/special, you can hitch for more crowd control if you want that

[wet nova]

Yh it sucks you don’t regen while attacking

[forest veldt]

was super bummed out when figured that out

would feel much better if constant regen

[grizzled prism]

Hmm

[wet nova]

It’s because the fear system is kinda flawed in the sense it does not make you use omega builds or magick based builds

[frosty ruin]

Apollo regen boon will let you regen while spamming attacks which is something

[wet nova]

So you don’t end up using them much at high fear if at all

[wet nova]

Really?

[honest lodge]

as long as you're standing in the cast

[wet nova]

I didn’t think it did but then again havent used it in a while

[frosty ruin]

Just plop it down and go to town

[honest lodge]

rhyme bonus

[forest veldt]

think all gains work w/ normal attack / special. except torches

[honest lodge]

but then your cast may not be on your foes, which is nice if trying to use the extra damage in cast and vs foes with 2 curses cards

that being said his cast can get HUGE

[shell swan]

I don’t think Apollo’s gain works while attacking

[forest veldt]

they all do, except w/ torches

[frosty ruin]

You just spam special with torches to get magick back lol

[forest veldt]

torches too broken to let u attack like other weapons, would be op otherwise 😉

[glossy rivet]

whats the best hammers for moros torch?

i got apollo atk and dem special (apollo keepsake but no hestia til oceanus, still got scorch on cast tho)

[honest lodge]

what gods are we liking on mel skull?

aphro attack?

[teal ginkgo]

Does Hell Splitter count as an omega attack?

[modern yacht]

Aphro for mel skull special

[forest veldt]

aphro/apollo/demeter/hera should all be fine, aphro may be annoying w/ range

[modern yacht]

Plus the hammer that makes special return after firing is pretty good

[honest lodge]

I often fire them pretty close cause they move slow haha

[opal saffron]

In what way is Mel skull better than medea skull if you use the special ? I personally fail to see it

[shell swan]

Aphro is by far the best for special, for attack Apollo(Easier to hit/Clear rooms), Demeter(High defensive utility), hera(Most base damage), or aphro(Most damage but conditional/riskier)

[honest lodge]

why aphro special? Cause you move with the attack?

[glossy rivet]

is eos torch better than moros?

[honest lodge]

for crowds her special seems good. Can hitch everyone

[shell swan]

Yeah, so like it’ll almost always proc aphro, as the damage from skull special is right next to you, leading to way higher damage than any other boon

[bleak night]

I personally put Demeter on the Special after playing some Skull

[honest lodge]

persephone is more geared to using your special spam tho

[shell swan]

I mean you can still use specials

[glossy rivet]

do i need DoT on moros torch or nah?

[wet nova]

Persephone takes a year to charge tho fr

[visual haven]

what's the busted build of momus that's everyone talking about?

[knotty fulcrum]

any torch build?

[thin lantern]

What do you mean? Hestia not exactly bestia on it

[weak hamlet]

I think it's using Pos and going for his legendary.

[thin lantern]

Moros attack works best with big damage and/or aoe, or some kind of prime/detonate. Zeus can be made to work because the detonations can proc the blitz, but usually, Hera for crowd control, Apollo for BIG BOOM. Special can be Poseidon for bigger hitbox (looks like) and reliable damage and/or slip bonus (double dip them multipliers). Or whatever didn't fit on the attack. Hephaestus if you can pom it hard enough.

Demeter works fairly well generally. Curse is pretty important for that Origination, after all. Aphro cast is one of the best for it, especially if you can pair that with a Zeus or Hestia cast throw. Overall though, something like... Aphro cast, Zeus ranged cast, Apollo attack, Zeus or Aphro special could work as a build?

[thin lantern]

*using poseidon special at all, that's already busted enough. Double moonshot also just practically locks in the win.

Legendary is just the "Now that's just plain overkill" line from Bastion

[weak hamlet]

oh the machine gun special one? Yeah it's busted.

[thin lantern]

Momus is probably going to get a nerf/rework. Preferably rework, because the same but weaker would make it a painfully unfun aspect

I say just lean into the Omega Special and make the beachballs the whole point

[opal saffron]

Yeah the omega special on the staff doesnt feel that great compared to spamming the regular one, doesnt help that the hammer which gives it a power shot barely has any payoff for the trouble

[thin lantern]

I love the omega staff special but it just isn't that good.

I like big, chunky explosives more than spam

[forest veldt]

its odd that the staff special is best ranged attack, would imagine torches or skull

[thin lantern]

My RSI agrees. :v

[forest shale]

Is there like a website or reddit post or whatever that summarizes different strong builds?

[wet nova]

It’s not momus itself that’s op

It’s Poseidon special on staff, which doesn’t even scale with momus

You could go aspectless and still do the exact same amount of damage realistically

I think the main issue is no one uses momus to heal themselves let’s be real😂

It seems like a useless part of the aspect which could be better tuned, but then again with tight deadline even stopping to heal yourself is a big loss in time

[glossy rivet]

dunnit with dem special and hestia cast lol

[wet nova]

Dem special is pretty good cos it has highest damage scaling after aphro I believ

[rare brook]

What do you mean? After a fight I use it to heal myself to be at 50%+ health

[shell swan]

I feel like you so rarely drop below 50% outside of boss fights, and the heal is too slow to use during boss fights

[thin lantern]

The damage shows up as a very large part of people's total DPS. Mainly though it's just kind of a boring effect

[wet nova]

Well with higher fear you don’t even have magick to use cos of that priming per rarity thing😭

I’m always like 160 primed magick by the time I get to chronos

[rare brook]

So omega skills are worthless at that point?

[wet nova]

For higher fear unfortunately yes

The system is slightly flawed in first you got the “start a room at 0 magick” then the “prime magick for rarity” which turns magick for omega usage very impossible

[dim flame]

whats the best god to pair with haphaestus for his explosions that i cant remember the name of

i do not currently have the boon list because im silly

[shell swan]

You can just like not pick those though

[latent flame]

i feel like priming magick that you dont even have feels a bit strong at times. If you focus your build on normal attacks you can just take all the prime boons without any drawbacks

[rare brook]

I would like to change the fear to be capped at 50%, not full 100%

[rare brook]

What are good primings?

[opal saffron]

Maybe you should be able to actually have the magick to spend for the prime effect to activate

[wet nova]

I said for high fear for a reason

[latent flame]

i mean there's prime boons to reduce damage you take, give more power to your attack, get armor, zeus chain lightning boon

[shell swan]

You can still just not pick them unless you are doing 64 fear runs

[wet nova]

Zeus, Demeter, Hephaestus, quite a lot tbf

[latent flame]

i feel like daggers and zeus are a bit overtuned at the moment

[wet nova]

Have you done any high fear runs? Tight deadline 5 mins is a no go (extremely tight), turning off arcana is even more punishing, boon selection limited is pretty rough, onion for god boon is also -4 god boons which all make the run very limited without even involving the magick based ones

[latent flame]

not at high fear yet, need to test that

[wet nova]

Turning off arcana is definitely something only a psychopath would do before activating the rest 😂

[forest veldt]

it is momus thats op, its 40 base dmg w/ aspect, fires 2 shots at once, and has fast fire rate. poseidon is best boon for it, but others would also work

[latent flame]

would be nice if i had to adapt my playstyle for that, currently i just have the same playstyle as in hades 1

[wet nova]

Hades one encourages more melee gameplay since the double dash provides that sense of security

But here I feel like some mobs are really aggressive close up (not really bosses)

Like the werewolf from fields is rough to face

[rare brook]

How do you even finish such run?

[sturdy meteor]

what arcanas should i focus on evolving ?

[wet nova]

He closes distance super fast over and over

[sturdy meteor]

i have death defiance and health maxxed out

[wet nova]

Someone did a fear 50 run and posted in victory boasting

[latent flame]

i like the boon rarity ones, personally

[wet nova]

You can check their chronos fight out if you search “50” or smth in that channel

[rare brook]

I saw this yesterday, video was for Chronos fight

[wet nova]

I feel like with Hephaestus impervious thing + moros keepsake you can do quite well in high heat (since his thing is like stubborn defiance)

I haven’t tried it yet cos my keepsake is low level

But probably the aim is to kill everything before it even reaches the point where your impervious status goes

[rare brook]

How do you even go with axe on such high fear, when axe gameplay is basically spin to win?

[glossy rivet]

which skull aspect works best on low nmare investment?

[prisma wind]

How do you get so many boons in your victory screens in #h2-victory-boasting ?
When i reach Chronos, i always have, at max, 10-12 boons and it's clearly not enough
I feel like i'm doing something wrong but i don't know what

[floral steppe]

Mourning Fields tend to have choices that give more boons vs choices that give less. Some encounters like Echo give boons. In Tartarus you can choose to take more fights to get extra boons. If you earn enough money, Charon can give extra boons. These might be where the disparity is coming from for you

[prisma wind]

If i take more time to get to Chronos in Tartarus, does it change anything about the fight?
Because every time i'm changing rooms there are those voice lines about the fact that i have to get to Chronos with the most direct path

[quartz yew]

Guys there's a lifesteal boon which Hades gives

is there any condition to that?

Midway in the chronos battle, it stopped working

cost me my run

[prisma wind]

Yeah, it's like "You have a lifesteal until you reach a certain amount of hp restored"

[bleak night]

I'm having a lot of trouble with increasing Fear past the early 40s and surviving

[quartz yew]

whaaat

makes sense, daaamn I though I had it

[prisma wind]

I think it's like 100hp max

[quartz yew]

Knew it was too good to be true 😦

[prisma wind]

Personnally i use the "-20% hp to Chronos" because i know it can't betray me

[quartz yew]

Guess I missed to read that

I didn't get any chronos related boon from him

[digital rampart]

Hey guys with the cards does the gasp matter only go up 2 30

[bleak night]

wait, where?

scrolling through and I don't see it

[bleak night]

It maxes out at 30, yeah

[rare brook]

#h2-victory-boasting message

Here @bleak night

[bleak night]

ah, it's Umi. Yeah, makes sense then

[white steppe]

huh, surprised its apollo and not poseidon special

[bleak night]

Posted 45 fear White Antler Momus a few days ago, too.

I feel like a lot of 45+ Fear Momus is an RNG game considering you need Double Moonshot for it to effectively win fast enough

[rare brook]

Haven't saw it, did you post it somewhere?

[white steppe]

white antler is wild, high heat chronos should just one tap you right

[bleak night]

not me, Umi did

[prisma wind]

What the hell did i just see

[bleak night]

Same person that posted the 50 Fear screenshot

[rare brook]

Oh ok

[prisma wind]

That was not a fight, but a massacre

[bleak night]

Closest thing I've done was 42 Fear on a surface run, and ngl surface runs aren't as hard as Underworld ones atm

[cursive knot]

what's highest youve managed with axe so far? for me feels so much harder than momus to push fear with it

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1239176724361773086/image.png?ex=6641f8c1&is=6640a741&hm=057de1b167edbe486e3a1dfa67d72b04557b58f7b664e73fec83a8372705a607 surface run, best I've done with Axe in the underworld is mid 30s

I almost always just use Hera now because otherwise I don't stagger the enemies around me and they start attacking

it helps break the blue hearts and shields faster, and since enemies don't stagger until their shields are broken I def need that

[cursive knot]

hera felt really good, i started running it on axe too off your recommendation

[dim flame]

what are some decent blade builds besides poseidon or aphrodite, so the two absolute best ones lmao

[bleak night]

depends on the aspect of the Blades you're asking about

[bleak night]

glad you like it

[dim flame]

i can work with any of them, but ive got base maxed3

[bleak night]

Have you tried Pan ?

Pan plays differently to the rest since it autoaims your daggers to targets in the Cast zone

[cursive knot]

starting to work on 32 with momus, will probably try it with pan and thanatos after

[dim flame]

i have but im just trying to go farm nightmares for thanatos, so i dont want to upgrade it

suppose it would still be decent, i guess basically any god will work with it?

[oak falcon]

Chain lightning with the zeus infusion can be fun on blades

[dim flame]

i could try zues chain lightning, take hapheastus for the duo

or poseidon for their duo

ill figure something out

[mint cedar]

They should add a legendary aphro boon (yearning) that’s just like “your effects that are boosted by being close to your enemies affect distant enemies instead”

[dim flame]

there is a duo like that

i cant remember who its for but im almost positive there is one

[mint cedar]

No that one is “all enemies”

I’m saying “far enemies only”

[dim flame]

oh

thats just worse then the one we have though

especially for a legendary that would be a little sad to see

[rare brook]

For some Aphro seems weak to me

All focus on close up seems strange

[bronze bear]

Does the Axe aspect that increases recovery speed affect the time it takes to wind up the big chop?

[wet nova]

Wait till you land 3k omegas with sisters omega attack🤩

2/3 omegas and cereberus phases lol

[topaz peak]

Poseidon special is best with pan

[rare brook]

Indeed, it seems intended for daggers and axe

[wet nova]

Naa the duo Poseidon boon makes it pretty good on other weapons too

Like using Aphrodite on staff attack omega with the 2x hit in front is pretty crazy

[topaz peak]

Well yeah but i mean if you’re using pan you want Poseidon on special

Oh you’re taking about dantes thing

[wet nova]

I’m using artemis for those juicy crits

[heavy flame]

I got my first chronos kill with zues attack blades. Fun build, a ton of damage.

[glossy rivet]

how do i use medea skulls? go with big % attack and special boons?

any hammers to look out for?

or is persephone or melinoe skull better with low nmare invested?

[heavy flame]

melinoe aspects dont require nightmare

[topaz peak]

Artemis omega cast is cracked

[wet nova]

Artemis omega parry being able to block the 999 damage attack is kinda nuts

Got to chronos with full DD and tested stuff out and it’s basically a free acorn every 15s, making it probably the best defensive aspect

[candid kernel]

does anyone know with which hero the aphrodfite extra heartthrob boon is

[heavy flame]

apollo

you need hearbreaker from aphro, and nova strike/nova flourish/solar ring/lucid gain

[bleak night]

Just had the most unfortunate run

Axe with no hammers that worked to my advantage, lost a 22 Fear one

[heavy flame]

When you focus on attack but get nothing but special hammers.

[glossy rivet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1234406186208596028/1239189189879398400/image.png?ex=6642045d&is=6640b2dd&hm=a1c10df6d1dca6fb3ddc31143a510ac967236671fd4859aa77eea8f4e533c942& what to get for medea skull?

so far i load up attack then activate it with special rushes

[bleak night]

Looming Ignition

[glossy rivet]

mmhm

[split igloo]

Am I the only one who feels like something is missing from the daggers to make them especially good? I keep getting to the final fight and the dmg just seems to drop off and I end up a squishy squash. momus is the only one ive had luck with and i dont even use the heal, it just feels better to play

[heavy flame]

fetching array sounds nice, but it slows you down a TON

[bleak night]

Fetching Array would be good, but you're using an aspect that wants to be melee

[glossy rivet]

also heph's uncanny fortitude reapplies on every magick increase right?

[split igloo]

The only weapon I can see as any good is the staff, it seems to play really smoothly, even though the special feels more like a main attack it reminds me of the ease of Hades 1 but, with obvious harder bits at cronos. The dagger feels incredible all the way up to the cronos fight, and then it begins to feel like a toothpick even with all of the correct hammers and boons, anybody else feel this way? I've seen a lot of praise for the knives, and honestly i really like them aside from the final fight

[bleak night]

Depends on what Blades you're talking about

because Pan Blades are kind of in their own tier compared to the other two

[split igloo]

honestly, both mel and pan, upgraded

[tribal badger]

daggers are hard nerf in chronos fight since time slow arcana does not work so you cant dodge as well as in other fights

[bleak night]

Staff is good, but people mostly associate it rn with cheesing using Momus, so that's kinda funny

[heavy flame]

I think blades attack suffers hard unless you have a demeter freeze. If you do, you end up losing a lot less health

You need that window to get the combo going and then stagger. I got my first chronos kill using zues attack blades, with demeter cast

[split igloo]

I got a pan blade upgraded, flutter flourish at +6 rare, with the hammer which shoots forward, and the hammer which adds power for each hit on an enemy, then other boons to compliment, i got to stage 2 but the first stage took like 3 minutes and the second one I got like a quarter of its bar down and couldnt go anymore, just ended up dying to one of those 'go here or perish' attacks

[split igloo]

that's an interesting combo

[woeful frigate]

is the point of aspect of momos to be spamming the special ranged attack and just staying ranged? thats pretty RSI inducing

[bleak night]

Yep, lol

[heavy flame]

Zues attack is nice because it gives you enough extra damage to kill most things in a single attack chain

[bleak night]

You have people using it to rush through Fears before the 20 min mark, and it's really funny as a result

[split igloo]

honestly I like momus, it feels more like actually making a build to win like it did in hades 1, merciful end or heart rend could win you games almost 100%, just feels the same as that.

the heal is a little strong, i'd personally knock it down to less than 30 or 25 % but, aside from that, me gusto

[bleak night]

yeah idk, I feel like running Poseidon Special and winning by spamming shouldn't be a thing that goes unnoticed. The hammers are only important for higher Fears, you can manage without later on

[bleak night]

oh, nobody uses it for the heal, unironically. Like, people spam special without charging

[woeful frigate]

whats a good momus build? I feel like the hammer that gives u homing projectiles is a must then + any on hit effects like chain lightning, seeking arrows and poseidon

[earnest nacelle]

the heal can be removed and I wouldn't notice it

[glossy rivet]

how do i raise my damage for medea skull? i haev aphro atk and special

[split igloo]

for sure, but right now the game just feels a few leagues above in difficulty when you get to cronos than hades 1 did for Hades

[glossy rivet]

i lack other damage sources besides the aphro boons for atk and special though

[bleak night]

Pretty much that. Poseidon Special and you can count your build 50% complete, with Hammer RNG deciding how your clear speed will be

[heavy flame]

Cronos feels like he requires your build to do a lot more damage than dad did in hades1

[split igloo]

a lot more

[heavy flame]

I've found the most success when choosing with that in mind

[split igloo]

either that, or the same amount, but our dmg potential is just massively lower

[heavy flame]

That's the issue i've had with torches. The damage just feels bad, regardless of what you do

[bleak night]

I'm trying to use Torches rn since they're the last ones I need in my Testament

[grand prism]

Nah, get a good special build going and spam hard

[bleak night]

It's pretty rough for me, I can't play them any good

[narrow mirage]

So ||without Athena|| in this game, which could I use for Dash for similar function?

[split igloo]

dmg is a huge issue unless you go for specific builds which are considered as cheesy, I personally really love the staff rn tho

[bleak night]

Hestia

[heavy flame]

yea, the attack is just worthless. I hope they rework it.

[bleak night]

Her dash deletes projectiles that are near you

[grand prism]

I use torches attack just to apply a curse, then do damage with a good cast and/or special build. The only time I ever bother with omega attack is with the hammer that pumps it all into one big one

[woeful frigate]

has anyone messed around with artemis keepsake? I feel like 30hp is a laughable amount to be stuck at in this game as it stands....

[earnest nacelle]

it's used for speedruns

[narrow mirage]

Oh Bestia

[woeful frigate]

yeah skill issue i guess

[earnest nacelle]

since it becomes 40% crit chance, which is pretty high. On normal playthroughs it's quite risky

[woeful frigate]

definitely not for me 😭

[heavy flame]

I also think torch omega sucks.

[bleak night]

I'm slowly warming up to it, even if I still dislike playing it

[grand prism]

omega... what?

[heavy flame]

Just needs a slightly larger radius, or for the radius to get larger as it spins.

[grand prism]

Omega attack is yeah pretty trash most of the time. Have had a few kinda okay runs focused on it, but yeah lol

[earnest nacelle]

I'm getting better at torches a bit, I think they need like a higher level/rarity boons to carry the dmg

[heavy flame]

sorry, special omega torch sucks

[grand prism]

There's literally a hammer that makes it larger as it spins

[earnest nacelle]

compared to the other weapons

[split igloo]

to be honest the game looks and feels great, it's just the power balance isn't there yet, but i'm not sure what to actually recommend aside 'buff us' or 'nerf cronos' both options dont feel great

[narrow mirage]

honestly I'm kinda bum that ||Athena, Ares and Dionysus|| aren't in this game cause I use their boons the most in Hades 1

[grand prism]

special is the MAIN way I play torches, it's the only consistent success I find with them

[heavy flame]

yea, it needs to be standard. The low radius puts you in a position to take a ton of chip damage

[coarse sphinx]

I think torch omega is pretty good depending on the aspect

[split igloo]

Merciful end user hmm

[narrow mirage]

at least best girl ||Artemis|| still in

[bleak night]

sadly relegated to a support role

[earnest nacelle]

I think the damage is pretty good if you're able to manage origination and the inside cast foe dmg% bonus consistently

[grand prism]

I suspect the first two will show up. We're literally DOING THEIR BIG THING in the story haha

[narrow mirage]

remind me what that is again?

[bleak night]

There's a weapon in this game that wants to crit, and I really wish Artemis could've been on the attack boon for it

[heavy flame]

Im hoping after eris they show up on the battlefield or something

[split igloo]

ares + athena duo boon where you can dash and inflict doom

[narrow mirage]

oh that

[coarse sphinx]

makes doom apply instantly when you use a deflect ability

[grand prism]

Torches special: use melonie aspect. Get chain lightning or something. spam hard and kite. Idk what other people are doing different, but the special is a BLAST to play

Er, that was special. The omega is for a cast build lol

[narrow mirage]

I use that with 4th fist aspect

[split igloo]

torches just feels like a janky afk weapon

[narrow mirage]

more of the Charon bow fan, with Dionysus

[coarse sphinx]

lol the omega special on aspect of moros is really good for when you need activate a bunch of flames at once

[heavy flame]

The attack is just bad, all around. Special spam is okay, the special omega interupts your flow because why not just dash in and spam special instead?

[grand prism]

My one problem with torches is on the cerberus fight, your attack stops auto-facing him at a very short distance. Can't strafe will with them

[split igloo]

im not aa big fan of the weapon in general if I'm honest, i assume it'll change though

[coarse sphinx]

i hope not, i like the weapon alot

[grand prism]

Why would you assume that? Just because YOU aren't a fan, you think it'll change? xD

Same, it's my favorite.

[split igloo]

the normal attack is kinda stonky

[heavy flame]

I just don't think it's up to par with the other weapons.

[grand prism]

I have more consistent success with a special build, but I have no problems making the attack work.

[split igloo]

i'd assume it'd change to make it balance with the others

wether it be the torches do more dmg or have a higher rate of attack when an enemy is in one

[grand prism]

"Balance", in what sense? In the "Odysseussy is having equal success with the weapons" sense?

[coarse sphinx]

LMAO

[split igloo]

Damn you really have a boner for the pixelated weapon

[coarse sphinx]

ill be honest that the torches are a bit more build required

doing a boonless run on torches would be much harder than other weapons

[grand prism]

Nah, just a boner for pointing out self-centered arguments in a forum for a game that a massive amount of people are all playing

[heavy flame]

This is literally a place to discuss the issues you have with the game.

[split igloo]

Isn't the whole point of a forum to show opinion? I gave mine and I've seen others, it's underwhelming in the view of the many (of what ive seen)

[heavy flame]

Maybe you're the odd ones out for thinking it's fine?

[grand prism]

This was you.

[split igloo]

yes it was

[grand prism]

That's not feedback, that's "I don't like it, so I'm sure it will change"

[split igloo]

I then gave an idea on how it could

[grand prism]

Alright ,I'm done. We're talking past each other, you're refusing to acknowledge what I'm ACTUALLY saying. I didn't say anything against giving feedfback

[split igloo]

my guy relax a little, I gave an opinion and gave an idea on how it might happen, you're straight being mad about my opinion and calling me self centered because it went against yours

[grand prism]

No, I didn't. Have a good day

[split igloo]

https://tenor.com/view/king-lion-dance-gif-16551194147911555114

[heavy flame]

ANYWAYS i have had luck with demeter with torches, because it lets you spam a few more specials before you have to dash away

it's similar to blades in that way, where you need that little bit of freeze time to get going

[grand prism]

makes sense

[split igloo]

I havent honestly used freeze much

[grand prism]

I didn't test it on skelly so I'm not sure, but I think when you do the "one big projectile omega special" hammer boon, then use the aspect that pulls them back, the big one doesn't do the same massive damage. Not sure.

[heavy flame]

i've tried attack a few times with a few different boons, and just everything felt underwhelming

Unless you can get lucky with mana regen you just drop off so quickly in longer encounters.

[split igloo]

I suppose freezing an enemy and bonking them with special would feel p nice

[coarse sphinx]

my go to build for torches is dem attack and hestia special

[floral steppe]

Hades mindrot got me to mentally pronounce “blades” as if it rhymed with “Hades” multiple times before I realized what the word actually was

[coarse sphinx]

with aspect of moros

[grand prism]

I wonder if blitz on attack could be built so every projectile adds it and procs it.

[heavy flame]

I think the current start of the attack is fine, but it would be cool if the omega became a flamethrower.

A single instance of mana and you could channel it forever, but you'd be slowed while doing so. Would reward good spacing.

[grand prism]

Eh, idk about forever, lol

Would compliment omega special, though, if you kept the enemy in the crossover between flamethrower and orbs

[heavy flame]

Maybe a hammer could make it last forever

[jovial socket]

https://i.imgur.com/kAEM41V.png this seems decent

[grand prism]

B A L L S

[split igloo]

like flurry shot in hades 1 or something

[coarse sphinx]

ooh aphro special is smtg i never considered

[split igloo]

does the aphro special count as near dmg ?

[heavy flame]

it should

[coarse sphinx]

it should

[split igloo]

since there's spacing between you and your balls i wasnt sure

[coarse sphinx]

well close range doesnt mean no range, i imagine the range is smtg like half a cast
or radius of the cast

[heavy flame]

try it with demeter cast so you can freeze and then stack up the specials

[spare kite]

I love no context

[split igloo]

possibly, havent seen the distance you need for 'close' to be considered

[split igloo]

😉

[heavy flame]

maybe aphro/demeter/apollo for heartthrobs, too?

[split igloo]

does apollo effect heartthrob blast radius?

[heavy flame]

it's for the duo.

you create 2 more hearthrobs every time

[split igloo]

oo gotcha

[icy axle]

Good arcana setup for Pan?

[solid shore]

is it normal to have 100k damage on poseidon waves???

148k

[wet nova]

At the end of a run?

[icy axle]

Yes, I had 120k or smth with my pan build

[solid shore]

I almost oneshot chronos

[icy axle]

pan is gonna nerfed to the ground. wait for it

[bleak night]

yeah lol

[solid shore]

I got spiral knives AND concentrated flurry tho

[bleak night]

Momus and Pan on the chopping block atm, imo. Than is good but not as good as those two

[wet nova]

I think the main nerf for pan is to not let it also be done alongside the 16 knives

[coarse sphinx]

the one big arcana i imagine you want is the one that increase dmg to thse in your cast

[icy axle]

Havent played momus

[bleak night]

it's the faceroll aspect

[icy axle]

You mean Moros?

[wet nova]

Rn range beats melee anyday

[bleak night]

Momus is the Staff

[floral steppe]

How does it work? Pick Staff, pick aspect of momus, pick a bunch of Poseison boons, spam special and profit?

[coarse sphinx]

uhhh, sure

[solid shore]

or just decrease the lifespan of the shots so they dont hit the same foe

[icy axle]

Oh yeah, dont really like the staff

[bleak night]

generally, yes. You also hope for good hammers

[floral steppe]

What hammer do you usually want

[icy axle]

Anyway, lets try iut now. What arcanas are you using with momus?

[wet nova]

Well the 2 most op aspects are ranged so that’s the main thing to go by

[solid shore]

staff double special poseidon build really strong

[wet nova]

There’s no “op” melee aspect rn other than Thanatos being really good but not broken

[icy axle]

Poseidon on attack?

[wet nova]

And what aspect does that work with?

[icy axle]

Was asking the other person who said poseidon momus, but now I see they say special

[heavy flame]

the staff hammers do work with poseidon attack, I had a fantastic run for it. Special is just way safer and easier.

[solid shore]

what are those?

[spare kite]

Special, morus increases the base dmg of it

Get ready to map special to a macro or smth

[wet nova]

Pan + momus

[bleak night]

Staff of Momus, Blades of Pan

[icy axle]

So, arcana setup for momus special?

[wet nova]

The skulls unfortunately are not powerful although they are fun and the torches we don’t ever hear anyone saying they need a nerf💀

[solid shore]

charon axe kinda good

[wet nova]

You don’t need omega damage, attack damage or special damage, so anything that increases damage otherwise

[heavy flame]

axe seems like a good baseline for weapons. Can be good, makes you think before you just go in spamming

[icy axle]

so we are spamming normal special, not omega?

[floral steppe]

Why not special damage? Aren’t you spamming specials

[solid shore]

the charon axe cast build is fun and feels very different... but do you really have to think?

[bleak night]

I don't think before I go in spamming...

[wet nova]

It’s Poseidon special, so it’s a “separate” damage thing and doesn’t scale with special damage at all only with the boon itself

[heavy flame]

do you do that on cyclops? lol

[wet nova]

Best way to think of it it’s like Zeus attack on rail from hades 1 where it’s not scaling with attack damage

[bleak night]

I avoid the shockwaves and ensure I'm staying away from that janky leap that somehow does damage while his feet are midair, but besides that yeah

[wet nova]

I don’t really like polyphemus

[bleak night]

He's a buggy boss atm

I personally don't think the fact that he's leaping should do damage. The part where he lands with that heavy body? Sure, damage makes sense. But his feet are touching me, why am I taking 15 damage

[wet nova]

His rings are really annoying to see close to him and his leap slightly touching you doing damage is also pretty rough for melee

[spare kite]

I hate his sheep more than him

[split igloo]

I don't like the throw attack he has, idek how to dodge that

[wet nova]

Yh the leap definitely shouldn’t do so much if anything idm it doing knock back or smth but the leap doing damage feels like melee range you always get hit

[strange kite]

should i start doing every run on 7 minute heat and 40% speed and let that be my heat 0?

[bleak night]

the grapple or the part where he kicks a shockwave toward your location ?

[wet nova]

The one where it says “spotted” then he throws a rock?

[split igloo]

😮 where does it say spotted

[bleak night]

I've been running 40% speed this whole time so I can get used to it, but I do suggest adding the 25% enemy from next region thing to that if you wanna make a baseline

[split igloo]

I was too busy bonking to notice text LMAO

[wet nova]

He usually says the voice line “where are you” then it says spotted and he throws a rock at the location where spotted happens

[bleak night]

additionally, I have +1 on less HP healed, enemy damage, enemy health and enemy spawnrate each because Hades Hell mode was like that, you couldn't disable those

[wet nova]

The rock shoots out those waves in all directions but in between them there’s some gaps

[split igloo]

oo gotcha, I dont play with sound often

[bleak night]

damn rly

[split igloo]

I do for first meetings but not in game

[wet nova]

Yh this + 30% life are a good baseline because the damage checks are the same then

[split igloo]

i pause and put music on when fighting

[wet nova]

Even without sound he kindve puts his hand to forehead trying to “look out”

[split igloo]

oop

[wet nova]

That signifies he’s going to throw it basically

[split igloo]

I need to pay more attention and bonk less lmao

[tall notch]

I rely so much on sound cues to dodge I can't imagine playing hades 2 without sound

[bleak night]

pretty much my Fear node setup for all my runs now https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1239202881408598047/image.png?ex=6642111e&is=6640bf9e&hm=b631b04f27cfa9666956c8dd5eeb9365a6418273a26efe85503914db13978f5d

[charred seal]

Tryna beat the game at 20 heat for a nemesis drop, lets see how that goes

[tall notch]

+40% speed Chronos is lowkey a rhythm game

[bleak night]

I'm still getting used to it, died to it in my last Axe run

[split igloo]

I like +40% speed, anybody know whether it spawns them quicker like last game?

[bleak night]

feels like it, yeah

[wet nova]

the priming one aswell?

[tall notch]

Phase 2 isn't doable without movement speed on dash, you straight up don't have time to run into safe zones

[bleak night]

it's only 5 priming atm in this setup, so I can still have boons and not feel opressed by the lack of a mana bar

[heavy flame]

https://imgur.com/06qQpE1 Grabs me after i fully dodge away.

[spare kite]

The not ideal solution is that you can iframe through the attack too

[bleak night]

I like Apollo Sprint anyway

[bleak night]

would be good to send that to Feedback so they know it's an issue

[split igloo]

just did 300k damage with machine gun descura run

[strange kite]

yeah thats definitely bad hitbox issue

[split igloo]

what skull yall using ?

[tall notch]

Persephone

[strange kite]

no skull because i dont know how to play skull lul

[spare kite]

Mel

[split igloo]

I'm still yet to properly play the skull, what's the rule of thumb for it atm?

[digital rampart]

What card set ups do you guys use when you rea he'd the 30 mas grasp

[bleak night]

I can dm you my card build

[split igloo]

left click then omega special
edit: to pick up the skulls

[bleak night]

it's a wall of text, so I'd rather not post it here again

[split igloo]

gotcha

[digital rampart]

@bleak night yea you can do if you won't mate

[heavy flame]

Me too plz

[fallen granite]

skull is bs, find a hammer, improve sprint, that's the only way I found to work with it, or you can play with cast

[strange kite]

i need the crack dust

[alpine marten]

does the hestia boon that lets you throw your cast as fireball count as cast damage and would get boosted by chaos/charon cast damage up?

[strange kite]

i only upgraded a few things so far cuz its so hard to upgrade cards and crack is so rare

[heavy flame]

Turns out poseidan mana bubbles are great on pan. So many hits you never run out of mana

[bleak night]

sure

[spare kite]

Pretty sure the zeus boon does so it should work?

[coarse sphinx]

yes it should theoretically

[final light]

guys what is the 'easiest' 16 fear setting

[bleak night]

dm'd

[alpine marten]

aight, thanks!

[strange kite]

momus. all mana heats. the hp heat. tight deadline 1 and enemies from next region

and the heat that deletes boons u dont take forwver

which is like usually not even a downside but an upside

[final light]

i assume i'd have to take the mana regen card then?

[floral steppe]

Yeah that boon deletion heat is weird tbh

[strange kite]

no u turn off all mana cards and omega cards

u dont use omega with momus ever lul

[final light]

so why momus

[bleak night]

for Momus, no

[strange kite]

because momus is the omegaless staff that does big deeps with just special spam

[spare kite]

Increased special base dmg

[bleak night]

Momus' main abusable rn is pressing the Special button like you're pretending that thing will give you money every time it's pressed

[wise idol]

Has anyone tried melinoe aspect of the skull and the hammer that shoots in a burst? do all the skulls get the bonus spent-skull damage or do the skulls have to be on the ground to gain the damage

[final light]

wait, is momus' special different from the other staffs

[bleak night]

+30 base damage to Special and Omega Special

[spare kite]

They do get the dmg

[strange kite]

its the same just does 40 damage or something instead of 10

[final light]

ah

[bleak night]

and considering you can machinegun fire that thing, it's kind of disgusting

[final light]

that explains a lot

and i thought aspect of artemis was completely busted

[wise idol]

Oooooo thanks, gonna go for that with the +2 ammo one as well

[split igloo]

Havent seen much talk about that aspect

[heavy flame]

I need a program that can macro spam my special while i hold the button. hurts my hand playing momus lol

[final light]

its gotta be my favorite so far

gotta love those 2k dmg crits + damage block

anyway can anyone dm card build for 16 heat momus?

[split igloo]

I just butterfly click

[spare kite]

I still need to unlock artemis
How does the block work?

[final light]

while youre holding you omega

[heavy flame]

you dont use controller ?!?

[bleak night]

oh, you want Omega Momus rather than the cheese one ?

[final light]

omega attack* you riposte damage

[coarse sphinx]

you can get 4k pretty easily with the right boons

my fav aspect for sure

[final light]

no sorry, i was talking about aspect of artemis, i jhust want a regular cheese build for momus

[bleak night]

or do you want 16 Fear Momus build

because tbh the 16 Fear Momus build is Poseidon special, stack more Poseidons, then find a 2nd status curse (preferably Demeter for crowd control). All the while running at any Hammer rooms you find and hoping you get Special-boosting hammers of any kind

[split igloo]

lol, I dont have one which works with my laptop

[spare kite]

Is it like the axe block? Just face the attack and it blocks

[strange kite]

cheese is just playing the game optimally 5head

[coarse sphinx]

its a complete 360 block

[bleak night]

you gotta admit tho that it's kinda dumb rn

[wise idol]

its like an acorn while charging the omega attack

[spare kite]

Damn

[heavy flame]

go buy an old 360 controller lol, they should all work with bluetooth

[coarse sphinx]

but like every 10s

[final light]

LOL exactly what i use

ol' reliable

[strange kite]

eh its not less dumb than athena dash in hades 1 probably. or eris rail

[split igloo]

lol, trackpad ftw

[bleak night]

I admit it's optimal, but it's also kinda dumb

[spare kite]

It looks so silly
I wonder how they'll nerf it (cuz it seems kinda inevitable)

[bleak night]

Eris Rail is nice and all, but idt Momus being able to speedrun the entire underworld in 20 minutes with 50 Fear will be untouched by dev nerf hammer

[spark warren]

happened to me too

[split igloo]

I think that the momus isn't 'too' cheesy, flurry shot on rail gave a similar effect, or I guess the watergun build with the triple shot is more similar

I think it's just easy to use

[spark warren]

plus if you dodge too far you keep getting damaged and stunned until he gets near you

[strange kite]

momus only becomes insane speedrun with a specific hammer

[spare kite]

Super soaker is a meme build tho

Not a "put out an insane amount of dmg"

[bleak night]

But the gameplay core of spamming one button is the same no matter how your hammer luck goes, no ?

[split igloo]

it is, but it still works with seastorm

[strange kite]

like if u get that hammer biome 3 u get slowed down a ton on high heat in biome 1 and 2

yeah? i guess? i mean eris was kinda bomb urself and hold down left click

[split igloo]

I think it's just an easier version of eris

Which is kind of nice considering the difficulty increase of the final boss

[oak falcon]

Which is wild because Eris was already pretty braindead

[floral steppe]

Which Hammer upgrade do you want with Momus?

[split igloo]

the one which doubles your special

[oak falcon]

I say this affectionately

[bleak night]

Double Moonshot > Any other Moonshot >>>> others

[strange kite]

double moonshot also being the one that gives homing is hilarious

[split igloo]

it is a pretty easy weapon, but i dont see a problem with easy weapons personally, especially when cronus is still pretty tough in comparison to the last game

[spare kite]

Eris rail vs momus is just the flirting vs harassment
One is peak oonga boonga the other is

[strange kite]

[bleak night]

That's one way to put it lol

[spare kite]

Speaking of eris, Girl what did you do to that rail lmao

That thing has like 20 hammers

[strange kite]

okay but i will say i still have an easier time with eris rail in hades 1 than anything including momus in hades 2

[shy yoke]

She’s girl bossed all over it

[split igloo]

it's because cronos is harder, which is kinda why i feel like the easiness of momus is somewhat justified

[bleak night]

Can she stop girlbossing over it and return it to us as a playable weapon, ty

[strange kite]

i literally did hades 1 half asleep at speedrun heat levels

[oak falcon]

That is also a function of familiarity with the system

[strange kite]

nah thats a function of zag mirror being stronger than arcana cards

[heavy flame]

I think hades 2 is just more difficult overall than hades 1

[spare kite]

She doesn't drop the rail even when I invited her to baths, for all I know she glued that thing to her hands

[heavy flame]

the enemy design is much stronger

[split igloo]

it is, by quite a bit, and the weapons don't feel like they make up for it, aside from momus, and pan to some people

[rancid summit]

hi what is a good all rounder arcana build?

[bleak night]

What's your grasp count

[rancid summit]

it seems i cant just do it like hades 1 where i can get all the stuff i want

23

[bleak night]

Ah, hm

[rancid summit]

what the max tho

[bleak night]

30 is cap

[heavy flame]

I like deaths defiance/heal per room for core. Everything else can be adjusted to your aspect and build.

[strange kite]

death defy flat mana/hp reroll boons sprint speed omega time slow and mana regen

put those on and upgrade death defy asap then the flat hp then the boon rerolls

[spare kite]

The real answer is judgement runs /lh

[rancid summit]

ty for the input guys!

[bleak night]

I love judgment runs

[strange kite]

after that u can do whatever u want

there might be an argument for upgrading mana regen but im too momus pilled to invest my precious white powder on that

[rancid summit]

im sad that if i want a certain card i lose possibility of duo boon :<

[strange kite]

u dont lose the possibility it just becomes rare

also i think half the duo boons suck anyways

[languid walrus]

you can still get them, you just dont get the boost in probability

[gilded terrace]

yeah you can still get duo boons without the cards

[rancid summit]

so not rlly worth to get duo card?

[split igloo]

Duo boons dont make runs like they did in H1 from my experience

[lone frigate]

What cards do you run with judgement?

[languid walrus]

I didn't bother taking that card and still get the duo boon im going for eventually, most of the time 🤷 just doesnt happen very early in the run

[lone frigate]

Also, feels like judgement level 1 isn't really worth it

[strange kite]

no. i think its not worth it at all unless u are trying to force a specific duo boon build

[bleak night]

Level 1 is def not that good, yeah

[rancid summit]

sprint card worth or nah?

[strange kite]

sprint is worth it i feel

[bleak night]

I personally like it, yeah

[split igloo]

Ye for cronos

[strange kite]

i think its super good especially for cerb

[split igloo]

if you cant run fast enough in p 2 you die

[rancid summit]

oh ye that saved me alot from his one shot

[spare kite]

Last run I ran reroll/rarity/mana regen (pan blades)

[strange kite]

judgement sounds soooo bad ngl

[spare kite]

Is funny, also is bugged with the revive a mob hex

[rancid summit]

ok what the f judgement is actually goated if ur cracked asf

[strange kite]

unless ur just addicted to gamba

[bleak night]

I run it for 40 fear atm, it's making my Erebus turbo bad but it gets better as I go

[sturdy crescent]

Hello, anyone have a good umbral build ? (with whatever aspect )

[lone frigate]

No death defiance? Or just hoping to get those after?

[devout yarrow]

Have we found every duo yet

[spare kite]

Yeah, had to equip tooth for that run for that reason lmao

[oak falcon]

There's a boon list in the game so yes

[devout yarrow]

There is?

I couldn’t find it so i kept trying to search

[naive willow]

Any good tips on a build for the Axe? I have no idea how to make that thing work

[spare kite]

Need every god keepsake first

[oak falcon]

It's a pretty late unlock for some reason. Requires some costly materials

[devout yarrow]

Oh well oof

[heavy flame]

the game wants you to just play the game and experiment first, then theory craft later.

[oak falcon]

Apollo attack + spin

[gilded terrace]

I like to use apollo to buff the range on my main attack and then beyblade spin to win

[gilded terrace]

same brain, I see we both like spinning

[devout yarrow]

I really wanna make some jank happen and i need to know the duo list to do it honestly

[spare kite]

I still prefer the unlock method of 1 (meet all gods but dem + have found a duo at least once)

[lone frigate]

Yeah the axe for me is the worst, also feels like the one where you need to use combos the most, like cancel the last hit by dash/specials

[spare kite]

Or at least reduce the incantation materials

[bleak night]

Oh, don't use the last hit lol

[devout yarrow]

Axe feels like bad Excalibur

[bleak night]

Huh

[heavy flame]

dash strike away, charge omega attack, then dash spin back in

[spare kite]

For me is the opposite lmao, I love the bonk of axe

[split igloo]

because it's clunky ?

[zenith bolt]

axe feels like bad arthur aspect if you play it like arthur aspect

[bleak night]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1238124170282532944/1238142681339662427/Axe_no_third_hit.mp4?ex=663e35ba&is=663ce43a&hm=96d5fe1e8bb5fddbcc2e93f11f2e94030eafd6926352a398d69a84bb55754484

[devout yarrow]

The end lag on the final hit is crazy

[gilded terrace]

yo Mel is wavedashing thats crazy

[oak falcon]

Ooh this is useful tech

[lone frigate]

Yeah also began to use this lmao

[spare kite]

Mel axe makes for fun bonks

[bleak night]

I use Axe combos unironically

[devout yarrow]

Oh so the way to play it correctly is to just not interact with the final hit, got it

[bleak night]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1238124170282532944/1238175812356931715/weird_combo.mp4?ex=663e5495&is=663d0315&hm=66518bd2748b620f95685f3e8f9e52c4b129c94ce6a2a295b02889cea3173e7d

[sturdy crescent]

Any tips for umbral build ?

[bleak night]

Tbh I don't even swing the thing much, I just spin

[devout yarrow]

Do not get baited by the main attack

[gilded terrace]

I find using a combo of specials and main attacks work fairly well, especially if you get the hammer variants that upgrade the special omega to do 3 fires

[devout yarrow]

The special is pretty nice though

[sturdy crescent]

y i saw that it focus on special ^^

[gilded terrace]

You can also use the main attack to rack big status on dudes if you get scorch

[rancid summit]

do i rlly need excellence or nah?

[bleak night]

Which one is that again? I'm still bad with the names

[sturdy crescent]

what boons for attack / special are you using scorch for attack & special ?

[earnest nacelle]

boon rarity

[rancid summit]

30% for boon rarity

[earnest nacelle]

the rare one

[heavy flame]

boon rarity has always been a good thing for consistency across runs.

[rancid summit]

but only ok ty ty

[devout yarrow]

Oh that, it cost a lot to unlock that but it’s probably worth due to how scaling works

[gilded terrace]

It mainly depends for me but I like to have two different statuses on each one, for example scorch on attack and freeze on special

[thin lantern]

Just absolutely deleted Eris on Fear 16 with a mediocre unranked Eos build

Step 1: Hold left click
Step 2: Dash back and forth through Eris

[devout yarrow]

Tf is a eos

[gilded terrace]

One of the flame aspects

[thin lantern]

torch aspect

[heavy flame]

so many non controller users

[thin lantern]

I mean. You don't HAVE to aim Eos.

[bleak night]

Axe is honestly a lot of fun once you get the attack cancels down https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1238124170282532944/1238165594541654138/Hades_II_2024-05-10_00-27-11.mp4?ex=663e4b11&is=663cf991

[sturdy crescent]

ah the one that return the attack

[tall notch]

Eos aspect might be the best weapon for fighting Eris, you can attack her through the pillar and it'll eat up all the projectiles

[gilded terrace]

the attack lingers for a while and explodes when in contact with the special

[devout yarrow]

Ok so can you tab out into discord on controller? Yeah exactly

[thin lantern]

Polyphemus also just gets Absolutely Destroyed

[thin lantern]

that's Moros. wrong one.

[heavy flame]

yes, i put my controller in my lap for a few seconds lol

[bleak night]

I also play on controller

[gilded terrace]

heck sorry

[barren summit]

just got momus epic posidon special with double moonshot on chamber 9 what

[bleak night]

GG

[barren summit]

this damage is insane

[gilded terrace]

Oh dang

[bleak night]

You basically just win now

[barren summit]

i am become death, destroyer of worlds

[spare kite]

Gg wp lmao

[gilded terrace]

Which one is Momus again

[bleak night]

Staff aspect

[devout yarrow]

Yeah poseidon + thing that hit fast is an insta win pretty much

[gilded terrace]

Ah nice, the staff is one of my favorites

[barren summit]

and i thought medea aphro was cracked

[devout yarrow]

Boost special base damage on the staff

[bleak night]

I prefer playing poor man's melee Momus

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1238124170282532944/1238501379698458720/Drill_Axe.mp4?ex=663f83cb&is=663e324b&hm=9266711a07891c244e5f52393859995158430d9bd38497c2b0dcd6abf954703e

[sturdy crescent]

what keepsake are you using going on surface ?

[barren summit]

i- what. chaos +50% special aaaa

[bleak night]

Easy win

[barren summit]

well i win

[gilded terrace]

Wow what a broken build

[bleak night]

I just run god boon for City and swap to either Tooth or Hammer for Thessaly

[barren summit]

forgot to mention, i have static shock to sooo yeah this is so cracked

[devout yarrow]

They are so axing the scaling on poseidon special my god

[split igloo]

did you have a fifth dd?

[bleak night]

I have 6 sometimes

[split igloo]

tf how lmao

[mystic bison]

Question: are the enemies that Kronos spawns in phase 2 endless and if not is it a better idea to focus them until they are all dead, or kill some of them and focus Kronos instead?

[bleak night]

3 from card, 1 from cat, 1 from Hermes, 1 from keepsake

[gilded terrace]

Thats so many

[split igloo]

hermes?

[spare kite]

Hermes legendary gives you a defiance

[split igloo]

i had no idea he gave one

[bleak night]

His Legendary is a dd that's separate from your original 3

[split igloo]

crazy

[spare kite]

Chaos also still has defiance as their legendary I think

[devout yarrow]

They are not endless and you should clear them out a bit before they start to overwhelm you

Those spinning projectiles can get out of hand fast

[spare kite]

Those lil clocks are a menace

[mystic bison]

That is my strat as well however they keep coming and coming and I always manage to take a few hits from Kronos during that

[devout yarrow]

Thats why i always try to murder them first

[mystic bison]

Worst Tartarus enemies fr

[devout yarrow]

Worst one is probably the elite gold bag

[spare kite]

-50% chronos summons is a god send

[mystic bison]

The miniboss? That one is free

[devout yarrow]

Man that guy is truly vile

Well on some build it’s free but on others it is very bad

The satyr miniboss is way easier and less punishing

[mystic bison]

I always take it, unfortunatelly I couldn't go to Hades this time as I got a Chaos gate and went there. Kronos was rough with no dad bonus but I still cleared

[devout yarrow]

If you are breezing through the 100 hp is basically a free death defiance

[bleak night]

I like diving into Chaos portals even if I have no HP left to spare on that life lol

[mystic bison]

You can destroy him consistently on any build, the key for the bag is to stay behind it at ALL times, if you do that it's a free kill

[bleak night]

About to lose my mind dying in Erebus again, I need some luck

trying 42 Fear rn and it just ain't forgiving

[mystic bison]

Worst part about the bag is the big armor, if you are lucky and get a good build you can shred him tho

[floral steppe]

I always take any armor shred boon for that reason

[mystic bison]

Beam can't track if you are behind it, and he always telegraphs it

[floral steppe]

Saves on a lot of life points in hectic Tartarus encounters

[devout yarrow]

I wonder how long it will take for someone to clear max fear in this game, it took years to clear max heat without seeds in hades 1

[mystic bison]

The 60% armor dmg dash strike hammer for the staff is insane

[floral steppe]

Yeah that one’s by far the best

[barren summit]

now i dont play hight heat, but with this staff build i have rn...

[mystic bison]

It's not even 60% bonus dmg... it 's 60% dmg TO THE ARMOR

2 hits and the armor is gone lol

[devout yarrow]

The thing is you cannot get a build that good in high fear, thats like the main thing

The stars literally have to aligned basically

[cedar thicket]

what "Gain" boons do you guys like to take? I'm struggling to find ones that I actually like

[earnest nacelle]

someone already did a 50, which is the most except for the no arcana one

[barren summit]

and now i have shimmering moonshot holyyyyyy

[gilded terrace]

WOW

[earnest nacelle]

ofc there'll be more in the release

[spare kite]

Hestia/hera

Zeus depending on weapon

[devout yarrow]

Hera, love the hera gain so much

it goes so hard and the downside is non existent with like 2 mana upgrade

[cedar thicket]

which one is hera, again?

[devout yarrow]

when you run out of mana you prime a bit of mana to regain all of your mana

[cedar thicket]

-20% max health/-70% max magick turns me off from both of them

[spare kite]

The -20% is nothing

Zeus depends a lot on what you are building lol, it just cripples most things

[gilded terrace]

Gonna run an axe thanatos build to the surface lesgo

Hammer first drop, apollo attack second drop, spin 2 win activated

[bleak night]

nice

I just realized Persephone Skull has no Chaos trial

[cerulean atlas]

how does GLORY works?>

[crisp tree]

Tips for Axe build please? For the surface

[devout yarrow]

Apollo attack and spin seems to be the common consensus

[barren summit]

god that was so fun. momus is insaneeee

[bleak night]

I have a video for it, hold on

[spare kite]

Like it says on the tooltip, deal dmg = charge meter, you can use it at a certain threshold which idk and it'll activate the controlling effect (or wait for full charge so it lasts longer).

The issue rn is that it charges stupid slow

[barren summit]

posted the build in #h2-victory-boasting if anyone is curious. i wish i recorded it.

[bleak night]

here's how Glory works, essentially. You can't really test it on Skelly, but as you damage foes, your meter builds up (next to the ammo). You can choose to expend everything in there by doing an Omega Special https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1238124170282532944/1238155940449091677/Persephones_Wild_Ride.mp4?ex=663e4214&is=663cf094&hm=513d3c372276f674095d7ffd6ac5ec30ec6b0fc30761fc2006bfd16a691af1f7

[forest shale]

Trying to beat Chronos for the first time. What aspect/build would you recommend? Already cleared surface but chronos is giving me a hard time

[cerulean atlas]

what? u cant be hit during it>?

[cerulean atlas]

i think the most broken build rn is Special staff

but u HAVE to get the hammer, or ur build just deal WAY less dmg

[forest shale]

Which aspect and which hammer?

[devout yarrow]

How did ya do it backwards, anyway a brain dead easy build to pilot if aspect of pan special poseidon spam. You get good mobility and damage

[bleak night]

nope, but it takes too long to charge it up to max

[devout yarrow]

Aspect of pan is on the sister blade

[forest shale]

Alright cool imma try that. What is the special staff build people are talking about?

[devout yarrow]

Thats the bad thing that build is way too reliant on getting one specific hammer to work in the first place

[cerulean atlas]

but when u got that one hammer, its just busted

[floral cedar]

I'd argue Aspect of Pan is the strongest right now. Depending on your Hammer Luck you either clear waves on enemies instantly or hit Cerberus for 7K a Omega Special

[bleak night]

it's top 2 for sure, yeah

[finite moss]

the build still does damage without it, just takes a bit longer. the build really is just special staff and special flourish. ive beat chronos and eris without the twin moon daedalus when going for the build

[bleak night]

Momus just kind of cheeses with no effort or build luck

[devout yarrow]

Well yeah but pan is far more consistent because there is 4 hammer that is good with it

[bleak night]

the build luck makes your run faster more than anything

[cerulean atlas]

Aspec of Momus, u HAVE to get the hammer that make u shoot 2 special at once, and put poseidon special on it, just highest dps build i think

[forest shale]

Ok thanks!

[floral cedar]

idk how to upload clips here, but ive collected a bunch of just killing Bosses in 5 Specials with Pan just because getting early Aphro/Hera and catching a nice Hammer or 2 is practically guaranteed with clever Artifact swapping after Hecate/Scylla

[cerulean atlas]

but u need to get the hammer

[strange kite]

lowkey momus best thing over pan is that pan requires mana and momus is a manaless build

[devout yarrow]

It’s pretty easy to force born gain to appear and it will be at least rare which is more than enough mana

[dark lichen]

Has any1 reached 30 grasp yet, can you go further than 30? I'm at 29 and it already took alot of resources to get to 30

[bleak night]

Need isn't really the word for it. Like, doubling the DPS is godsend, for sure, but you can make do without it as you're pelting from a safe distance and not worrying about mana costs, so you can spam primers for stats on it

[strange kite]

u not only get completely free heat out of it but also free arcana

[cerulean atlas]

yeah without the hammer it still works, but with it, your dps is more than doubled i think

[finite moss]

dont need it. just want it, but theres 2 other hammers that effect the special for staff that also work pretty well. you just take a little longer on bosses

[bleak night]

It's the maximum, yeah.

[carmine linden]

uh. In the fields does each zone count as 1 encounter, or each reward?

[cerulean atlas]

the one that add 5 dmg and speed also good

[devout yarrow]

Rewards, at least it works with rare crop

[carmine linden]

ok thanks

[strange kite]

i mean are u can take prime 10 for every non common boon?

[finite moss]

and the one that ricochets around is also really good for ad clear

[strange kite]

or are u gonna turn off mana regen?

[cedar thicket]

omg artemis blades + explosive ambush is INSANE

[strange kite]

u get 6 grasp free out of momus and 4 completely free heat

[cedar thicket]

I just 4-shot uh-oh

[devout yarrow]

I know english is probably not your native language but please word that better i cannot comprehend what you are saying

[cerulean atlas]

i got both double and ricohest on my last run, bruh its just so fast clearing anything

[mystic bison]

Question: does the timer stop for Nemesis rooms?

[spiral mountain]

Yes

[finite moss]

same. after i got that. i was like i found my main lol

[strange kite]

are you taking the prime 10 heat for every non common boon?

[finite moss]

but ive cleared with every weapon to really try it out

[bleak night]

it also stops for Heracles and Icarus ones

[cerulean atlas]

only been trying with poseidon, any other good special boon with it?

[mystic bison]

Hmm so Artemis as well?

[spiral mountain]

Yep

[bleak night]

I believe so, yeah

[spare kite]

Yeah

[mystic bison]

Nice

[barren wolf]

Does primed magick count as having less than 100% magick for the huntress arcana card?

[strange kite]

good question

[devout yarrow]

It does not

[finite moss]

i mean you want the poseidon special, but ive also done it with i think it was either zues or hermes

[spiral mountain]

I've always wondered this too

[barren wolf]

dang

[strange kite]

F. well i can in theory still take that arcana but also if i prime everything then i lose that buff

[devout yarrow]

I know because it counts as 100% when i use prime and that demeter boon that boost omega damage

[finite moss]

pretty mych anything that does an aoe is good

[strange kite]

its such a free buff too

with the 0 mana heat and no regen u just have +30% damage conditionless lul

until u prime to 0/0

[north vortex]

What's the sign on the door with the infinity symbol on the finger ?

[devout yarrow]

It’s pretty easy to get lower than 100% unless you have a busted gain boon

[tall notch]

Ayo @bleak night that drill build you posted a video of some time back goes so well with zeus cast than

[strange kite]

it is and i think its worth it on any mana build

[bleak night]

just did 55 Fear for a test run and got oneshot by something in Erebus for 200% of my max hp, and I have no dds because my Arcana aren't on

[spare kite]

Do you mean the forget-me-not thing

[spiral mountain]

Getting my ass kicked at 16 fear makes me realize I'm not as good at the game as I thought, sadge

[bleak night]

Oh, you got it going ?

[north vortex]

Oh I see, thanks

[devout yarrow]

Yeah that’s definitely gonna be two year at least till that one happens

[tall notch]

Kind of, I'm mostly casting but I did pick up blitz on special as I had nothing better in boon selection and it slaps

[white steppe]

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the fastest eris fight ive had

[cerulean atlas]

i think he meant the door near the gun girl (who is her name again?)

[gilded terrace]

uff my spin 2 win failed me

[bleak night]

even Hades' 64 heat took a while to breach, right? Was last year or something

[strange kite]

hades heat 64 was impossible. until it happened.

[bleak night]

You get a vid of it?

[strange kite]

and it’s happened like once lul

[bleak night]

I was surprised to see it was Zeus Shield too

[devout yarrow]

9 months ago, not even that long

[tall notch]

I'm still in 3rd biome, will return my Chronos kill once I get there

[bleak night]

Whoever won that is disgustingly cracked, that's for sure.

[devout yarrow]

It’s probably not possible with the current weapons in the game, probably gonna need something with the same level of consistency and flexibility as zeus aspect

[spare kite]

We still have a bunch of modded wins too including rama and guan yu

[spiral mountain]

Is it just me, or does the sister blades Omega attack have really inconsistent range on targeting an enemy?

[spare kite]

Unmodded I think we only have zeus shield from angel tho

[bleak night]

I think the main issue with 55 Fear rn is some bosses are HP sponges and you have no resource upgrade progression that will allow you to do enough DPS to clear each biome in 5 minutes

[strange kite]

yeah its crazy how hard 5 minute tight deadline is in hades 2

[cerulean atlas]

i feel like HADES 2 is more stingy with boon room than Hades 1

[strange kite]

the average run time went up by a good 5 minutes or more i think

[bleak night]

Someone has done 50 Fear already in 20 minutes, but the reliance on Arcana atm makes it hard to do 55

[spare kite]

We don't have dark foresight

[devout yarrow]

Well yeah they basically manipulated the rng in their favor and get perfect knowledge pretty much so it is way easier

[spiral mountain]

I mean we do. It's an arcana card

Not exactly of course

[mystic bison]

They def need to make it so gods offer 4 boons at least

[strange kite]

whats dark foresight?

[spare kite]

That's a routed run, modded does get you some stuff but is mostly the things you are gonna reset for/kill the run anyways

[devout yarrow]

Thats why you need an aspect on the same level as zeus aspect, that thing pretty much work with any boon and also deals insane damage along with great mobility to boot

[mystic bison]

The boon pool is way bigger in this game which does not jive with only 3 boons offered

[spare kite]

Swaps the ratio towards major rewards by +20%

[ionic moon]

the 6-grasp card? that's a hefty opportunity cost

[strange kite]

we dont have that at all

[spiral mountain]

It is, I've never used it because of that. But it's there as an option

[devout yarrow]

Boost chance of room with upgrade to your run like boon hearts or pom

[drifting gulch]

I haven’t gotten lucky enough to get the drops I’m looking for in the same run but you might be able to kill Eris in 10 hits or less