h2-builds-and-combat

[sudden belfry]

best boons for aspect of mel torches?

[slate zodiac]

You know a weapon is strong when it works with any blessing, god damn Momus Staff my beloved

[tall notch]

+40% speed fear vow on eris is so stupid lol

[flint patrol]

part of me hopes in the future we could get a mini cerberus as a familiar

[slate zodiac]

If you can't figure anything out, Apollo is always generally good

[rustic nexus]

so i tested some more, and came to the conclusion that the Aspect of Persephone, has a small circle charge bar next to the Shell count for your skulls, and it charges PAINFULLY slow, and thats why it feels random at times, cause it literally takes like 8 encounters to fill that thing full or something, its ridiculous

[hot cedar]

is medea skull good? i've only got melenoe so far, and im still trying it out

[slate zodiac]

Something to think about: If you have all your mana primed so you're at 0/0, for the purposes of The Huntress Arcana would you be at 100% mana?

[distant ocean]

which keepsake do ya'll usually start out with, god specific? I usually roll embyro, but getting an instant heroic on the surface with the fountain ring is cool

[next heron]

when you dash do you have invincibility -frames

[glad nova]

Yeah, that circle is in multiple aspects with chatge mechanics. It is indeed painfully slow in the persephone one

[flint patrol]

if its the one im thinking of, you gotta get up close and pretty personal with it

[slate zodiac]

Depends on the weapon and what god you wannas tart with

[earnest nacelle]

I'm not sure about this but if you're strictly speaking 0 (current mana) is not less than 100% of 0 (max man) so it shouldn't

[summer seal]

Other than the arcana cards, is there any way to increase the base chance of higher rarity boons? Like giving multiple nectars etc?

[distant ocean]

i'm trying to get over my addiction to sister blade attack builds :B

[tall notch]

Chaos can do it

[slate zodiac]

I think so too, but it's a funny little thought experiment

[quick garden]

I've been going chaos -> echo -> narcissus -> skelly and I've won like 10 runs with that setup and lim and oros (no thinking required)

[distant ocean]

i love twins.

[flint patrol]

when does echo let you gift her, ive been by her a few times now and havent had the option

[summer seal]

Which aspect? And do you just wing it as far as what boon setup you go with?

[quick garden]

artemis aspect, and yeah I just go with whatever

[distant ocean]

double fire, aspect of artemis gang rise up

[quick garden]

any %dmg increase for attack or special works and I just build from there because it's so strong already

[distant ocean]

actually don't, it might get nerfed, even though momus and skull exist

[summer seal]

Makes sense. I just got my first Chronos kill after unlocking Artemis aspect. Had pretty meh boons until the very end when I got the Hera + Poseidon (could never get Poseidon attack boon that whole run though) duo boon and happened to have 2K gold. All of a sudden doing 100% more damage was nuts

[spare kite]

Try talking to her, back up a bit then approach her again and see if the gift prompt shows up

[slate zodiac]

https://imgur.com/3RlPzHn

PSA, spamming special with this Chaos boon does NOT kill you

[split igloo]

Ok so my best build is with the axe. I call it the bonk build. Basically I get hellsplitter and Demeter's passive (or Hera's both work). I end up killing enemies with two BONKS

[distant ocean]

large chop.

[wet nova]

no chaos boons should kill you, was the same in hades 1 tbf

[split igloo]

bonk is funnier tho

[distant root]

what's hellsplitter?

[distant ocean]

huge. bonk. lol you right

[slate zodiac]

Isn't there a boon that says "Take 500 damage if you don't finish 2 encounters in 120 seconds" or something?

[hot cedar]

im probably do a staff cast build next. what boons should i prioritize/avoid?

[distant ocean]

ASpect of Bonk PLEASE turn the axe into a giant freggin baseball bat bonking mace

[split igloo]

it's an axe upgrade that makes the main attack a big bonk that does 300 damage

[wet nova]

oh yh I guess that one does indeed kill ive only ever taken it once so it slipped my mind😭

[distant root]

ahh that one

i hated it because of how slooooow it is and i can pump out much higher damage with spin 2 win

[compact spoke]

Was anyone able to get spiral knives and sureshot flurry in the same run? (the sister blades hammer upgrade that let's you throw 16 knives all around and the one that makes you fire each knife straight).

[wet nova]

but none of the -health per attack/special/cast should kill

[wet nova]

yh you can get

[split igloo]

It destroys Cereberus and Sirens

[spare kite]

Actually, does coarse grit block this

[wet nova]

it should, since it blocks chronos wipe attack

[split igloo]

what I usually do is do the special then bonk

[spare kite]

Most hilarious boon ever created

[wet nova]

actually never mind, its not considered damage but health reduced

[summer seal]

Alright, going for an aspect of moros run, what boons work well there? never tried it

[wet nova]

so might not be the same thing I guess

[distant root]

fair enough. i can't do that cause it feels far too slow, personally

[distant ocean]

i would probably priotize Hestia, scorch and cast launching boons, add a little hera for origination and apollo cast grow and 👍 maybe, I'm not very experienced with cast builds lol

[distant root]

thanatos axe is really cool looking and that's why it's my fave (also the crit is nice)

[nimble bramble]

I've accidentally stumbled upon something very silly with Apollo + hera, if you use iridescent fan to rarify family trade, then use it on Apollo's dash, you move way way too fast

[distant root]

how are people making cast builds btw? aren't cast builds the same on every weapon?

[spare kite]

They should add rush delivery back into the game, cowards

[violet kindle]

does the judgment arcana card activates awakening, or do they awaken by themselves whenever you achieve their conditions?

[distant ocean]

they are, but as you mentioned thanatos exists to give crit to casts, also staff mel provides omega cast speed, there's not a real heavy cast focused weapon tbh lol

[quick osprey]

Got another good one. The hex that turns enemies into sheep prevents Charybdis' tentacles from hiding, so you can do more damage than normally allowed

[distant root]

yeah but isn't the damage from pure casts lower than the normal attacks, even with boons?

[distant ocean]

insane! i've gotta try that

[distant root]

highest i can think of is zeus cast

[distant ocean]

Solar Ring seems p good, obviously I don't think casts are the strongest modality right now lol but I think you can make it work

[spare kite]

charon's aspect sounds fun in theory but omega special is annoying af

[distant ocean]

Hestia launch + Poseidon Insta Pop with Poseidon+Heph Blast on Cast Duo is the onlycast build i've completed a run with though

[flint patrol]

has anyone been able to get the wolf moon power down below? I havent seen it other than surface

[sterile portal]

buffs to your attack also buff your omega attack right?

[earnest nacelle]

look at wording, if it says 'attacks' yes, if it says 'attack' no. The info should also show up specifically describing attack (like left click) or no

[spare kite]

yeah you can get it

[barren parrot]

Anyone have success with a Torch Attack build? I just tried one and I just kept wishing I kept with the Hammerdin Special build.

[stoic ridge]

only success i had was with hephestus attack boon at level 8 so it recharged in 2 seconds

[barren parrot]

Mmm, I can see that being good. But thats a lot of investments of poms.

[stoic ridge]

yea it took a long time before it got good enough to do damage

[tall notch]

Attack builds are amazing on Eos aspect

[stoic ridge]

spent most of the run spamming poseidon special

[barren parrot]

I think the torch attack just really needs to start channeling the second you hold down the button and base casts shouldn't break the channel.

[quick osprey]

i've found chain lightning and Helios attacks work great with the Eos torches

[barren parrot]

Haven't gotten to aspects yet.

Just working with base so far. I'll have to check it out. Because I do really like the torches, especialy with Hestia cast so I can always stay at a range.

[quick osprey]

base torches are very unfun, i hope they do something about that

[barren parrot]

I think if the torch attack would just have a full screen range it'd be much better.

[barren parrot]

I like the special build but yeah the attack on base torches is making me vomit

[stoic ridge]

aspect of moros is weird has a messy play style

[oak falcon]

Torches in general feel kinda unfun. Even when I get a really strong special build going, it just seems like more work than the other weapons

[quick osprey]

it's floaty and weak; it feels like i'm trying to throw helium balloons at them.

[stoic ridge]

torches are definitly the weakest out of all of them

the main attack feels very situatuational, special spam is more worth it but still not as good as staff special spam

[barren parrot]

Yeah the attack has no impact, is slow, short ranged, and expensive. Throwing balloons is a good way to describe it

[neon idol]

Hey there guys i want to run the umbral flames but i have no idea how to make it synergize properly and not dying to the final boss

like what should i focus on? normal or special attacks? or maybe neither and go full hex lmao

[glad nova]

Hestia has an infusion that increases base damage of weapons making quite useful for the "spamy" little attacks. Another god does too but I fail to remember now who
Id say its better to focus on the main attack, I find it dangerous to focus on special on base aspect, but othwrs may disagree. Just remember you can always dash, even while attacking.
Demeter cast is very good to keep enemies in place.

[neon idol]

but its just a big hit and then it goes back to base dmg r?

like is actually hestia viable for any weapon? xD

as a main source of dmg

[glad nova]

Nono, its like +2 for every flame element aspect (I assume you have already unlocked those), you can have any other god as the sttack boon.

Quite useful for a weapon that does ton of chip damage

[timber fractal]

How does the Arcana Cards work?! whenever it wont let me activate some even if it costs 0?

[spare kite]

The 0 cost cards have specific activation methods, which you can read (centaur for example needs you to have cards from 1 to 5 grasp cost activated)

[glad nova]

Not sure if you can use Hestia as a main source of damage, never really tried
Same for Hephaestus

[neon idol]

its literally my 9nth run xD

I don't have a single aspect neither the option to unlock them (Dont spoil pls)

[sudden belfry]

this run im in the middle of is just so bad i feel like just letting scylla kill me (not giving up i wanna keep my reagents)

[quick garden]

wrong place to be if you don't want spoilers

[glad nova]

Sorry, I meant boon, not aspect.
Every boons has one of the 4 classical elements attached to them and eventually you get the abikity to get them visible

[neon idol]

ur right im trying to be as careful as possible hahahah

[neon idol]

i got that unlocked

[glad nova]

Oh cool

[sudden belfry]

note to everyone If you plan on doing a special torch build do NOT go for the hammer that makes the special dissipate when it hits a single foe

im straight up letting scylla kill me LOL

[neon idol]

as far as im concerned i only got health buffs from them, ig its not just that

[barren parrot]

Yeah you only wanna pick this if you have like a hephaestus boon. Even then the dissipate factor really nerfs it.

[neon idol]

got it xD

[stoic ridge]

is there no fountain to remove boons now?

[barren parrot]

So far Apollo seems to be the best for Torch Special. More damage and bigger area makes you a better Hammerdin,

[tired turret]

I.really like the axe detonation with apollo

[barren parrot]

We aren't really getting as many boons as we were before I am noticing. So it makes sense we don't have a remove yet.

[stoic ridge]

idk im getting a ton of boons

[barren parrot]

Most rooms I am seeing are rewarding resources.

[spare kite]

yeah I miss the pool of purging

[neon idol]

damn this is such a big debate normal attack or special...

[tired turret]

Some runs I get a load of junk and no boons

[neon idol]

I feel neither of those are viable unless you get a hammer

[barren parrot]

at least for baseline torches the attack sucks. Best to just use special and be a Hammerdin. I don't know about the other aspects though.

[tired turret]

Like I think I've had 3 boons before when facing scilla

[fallen solar]

Hestia and Poseidon are pretty good also Zues and Hestia you want to grab Cast and Special with Hestia and Zues/Poseidon on attacks which synergize well especially if you can get the duo boon

[neon idol]

oh im talking about just base torch

[spare kite]

does the -1 fear vow thing disable your nightmare reward for that run

[tall notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/927694753116614746/1238989208975052912/image.png?ex=66414a1e&is=663ff89e&hm=4c5138d4559de258742182effb46f171d5393a6faf859f76f1ee36635879eaef&
Poor Eris didn't even get to move off the center of the arena for the entire fight...

[neon idol]

i dont have any aspect

[barren parrot]

base torch special is fine, bit short ranged but not bad at all

[tired turret]

Screw eris. She's harder than chronos ffs

[quick garden]

just sprint in a circle, she'll miss

[neon idol]

ill try to run special lets see

[tall notch]

Eris is hell if you try fighting her fair but she's extremely cheesable in more than one way

Oops sorry, it was meant to be a response to @tired turret

[tulip heath]

what boons are you guys grabbing for medea?

[spare kite]

dawg, this is the the 2nd time the circe "activate a random arcana card" activates judgement lmao

I've only picked this up twice

[barren parrot]

just dont get the hammer that disipates the specila projectile and try for boons with base damage or raw damage increase. Apollo and aprodite are good, poseidon and zeus less good.

[orchid fog]

I cannot, after five tries in a row, defeat the Cyclops.

[barren parrot]

dont even bother attacking and practice direct hitting with special. I've had my best runs just being a hammerdin and channeling my old baal run days lol

[quick garden]

what weapon(s) are you using?

[orchid fog]

Skull

[spark plover]

cyclops sheep almost wrecked my ahh 💀 didnt know there was a variant that attacks you for a stupid amount

[quick garden]

oh I've stayed far away from skull lol

[stoic ridge]

i did a run with apollo attack on the skull and it worked very well

[tired turret]

Wut

[quick garden]

the sheep explode

[plucky inlet]

i did a momos run and holy that weapon is free mode

[spark plover]

nope, sheep attacks and stuns

[quick garden]

I've seen sheep explode

[spare kite]

green sheep is the worst

[mint whale]

How do you unlock aspects?

[spark plover]

was it green? didnt notice while i was escaping my life, lol. sheep that dont die and follow you and attack you + lock stun. very balanced

[tired turret]

Huh

I didn't know the sheep did anything at all

[spare kite]

yeah that sheep is worse than eris /lh
black/white sheeps are kinda just meh

[spark plover]

incantation, dont remember what triggers it tho

[tired turret]

||Beat hecate with each weapon|| to unlock aspects

[spark plover]

so far i killed cyclops probably a dozen time, most times i had sheep that heal him and sheep, this time it was my first getting sheep that attack

[spark plover]

im pretty sure you dont need to spoiler alarm anything in this channel..?

[rugged cove]

that definitely isn't true because i haven't ||touched the torches|| even a single time and i've unlocked weapon aspects lol

[quick garden]

channel description is literally BEWARE: Spoilers

[tired turret]

Thats what I did and it unlocked for me

[rugged cove]

maybe there are mutiple triggers

[spark plover]

you forgot to read the rest...unless youre being sarcastic

[rugged cove]

i forget what i did to unlock them though

[dusty hazel]

maybe combining rapture ring with local climate wasnt the best idea lol

[tired turret]

On mobile. I dont get channel descriptions lol

[spark plover]

just fight hecate enough times and youll get the dialogue for the incantations, i dont think you even need to beat her, just talk to her before fighting

[outer rock]

How do I get arcana of the ages? everytime I complete a run they keep switching around am I supposed to have all 18 cards active when beating chronos?

[spark plover]

im still trying to figure out how to get eris's keepsake. girl just not letting me gift her anything

[flint patrol]

alright who suggested the arti aspect twin blades again?

[quick garden]

I was talking about artemis a little bit ago, it's my fav aspect rn

[flint patrol]

yeah, i just unlocked em and did a run... beat chronos with them first try xD

[tacit nest]

where can i look changes made so far between updaes?

[flint patrol]

I cant post screenshots yet but disgusting

[spare kite]

just beat him with each card activated at least once

[lone frigate]

I think I have my save glitched, I should have unlocked ||familiars|| with the conditions fullfilled, but didn't get the incantation

[quick garden]

go to #h2-victory-boasting to post images and yeah the aspect is so braindead easy to win with

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1238992819939704922/image.png?ex=66414d7b&is=663ffbfb&hm=f6f4de7d054665634c455837dbaed81cb4bcb60e0a808833e5d6b386a62e4c27& frinos is such a clutch for this fight

also idk what I was thinking when I took zeus gain with this aspect lmao

[flint patrol]

well heck, it didnt save the screenshot, is there a way to view past runs?

[rugged cove]

i love aspect of artemis but i think the timing for the "parry ready" message is messed up, it shows up a little too early, which has led to me getting hit more times than i'd care to admit lol

[quick garden]

you can't see the endscreen but there are npcs that show what boons and cards you had

[flint patrol]

I noticed that, it took my first dd in the chronos fight lol

[quick garden]

I've noticed this as well

[rugged cove]

okay glad its not just me lmao

[flint patrol]

where at?

[quick garden]

idk I think you have to have hecate tell you the incantation

[flint patrol]

.-. bruh

i did get the o attack hammer that deals 500, was hitting 1500 if it was a crit but kinda unlucky with an arti boon and got the cover fire boon from her

[modern tangle]

So is Momus special spam the current best weapon?

[rugged cove]

i believe there's an incantation to summon a shade who does it for you, you need to unlock the tavern first

[flint patrol]

ahhh gotcha

[barren parrot]

Does anyone actually like Sprint over Double Dash and higher Base MS?

[flint patrol]

time to play hadesdew and farm some plants then

[summer seal]

Running what boons?

[tall notch]

Yes I love Mel's moveset

[spare kite]

Yeah I vibe with her kit

[flint patrol]

imma try a run with the mel aspect skull and see if i can get the 5 shell hammer

[barren parrot]

Why? It feels so sluggish and wrong. It pushes you into a Run around to set up a channel and then run around to setup a channel style of play. I can't evade or dodge or move with any precision. Dash attacks are dead too. :/

[plucky inlet]

im not a fan of what seems to be action quing

[brisk rock]

if you wanna win ez just go hepheastus dash and build that ez win

[rugged cove]

honestly i kinda like the sprint, i just think it needs to be tuned a little to be less clunky, but also i always ran ruthless reflex in hades so i'm used to only one dash

[barren parrot]

Maybe it's that? I went from being very good at dash dodging and even timing dashes with projectiles to now this weird run around and out run stuff instead of evading.

[tall notch]

I've always liked ranged playstyles and her moveset feels like it was made for those

It's also surprisingly easy to get a ton of move speed and zoom around the map

[rugged cove]

a lot of the bosses seem to encourage ranged playstyles too i've noticed, so maybe that's just what they're going for

[barren parrot]

I guess they're just quadrupling down on this game being ranged gameplay because trying to do melee builds feels really bad.

[tall notch]

Mel is a sorceress, it makes sense that she's most competent at ranged

[flint patrol]

garlic is surface with spade yeah?

[barren parrot]

She has a literal giant Axe and Assasin Daggers. >.>

Even those weapons feel bad to use with melee builds.

[tall notch]

Both have some very good ranged builds still!

[spare kite]

I haven't had trouble with axe/dagger melee
(Spin axe vs speed vow chronos is a different tell)

[flint patrol]

i mean technically one of those daggers are a sickle

but i get your point :p

[barren parrot]

That's kinda the problem, lol. We just aren't getting things to promote melee and only getting things to promote ranged. Zag at least had plenty of options for close, medium, and long range. Everything Mel has so far is this weird medium range with no melee support and ineffective long range tools.

[spare kite]

Ehhhh
Zag pretty much played every weapon as melee at top tier speed/heat

[flint patrol]

I just want the rail back 🤷‍♂️

[modern tangle]

I was looking through some speed runs and seems everyone mostly runs Momus with poseidon special

[barren parrot]

After the 80% percentile or so things get too niche so super high heat strats im not concerned about.

[tall notch]

From my experience, Zag was really melee focused. Even the bow's best hammers encouraged you to shoot from point blank and non-Hestia rail lowkey had less range than axe with Apollo attack

[barren parrot]

The feedback channel is filled with people struggling to make anything but medium range work since there is no long range support and melee is too fragile because we lack dashes.

[dusk zealot]

Favorite staff builds?

[barren parrot]

If you look at average range of completed heats youll see way more diversity. I liked a lot of the longer range shield and bow builds I used to do. I'm not a top player and I don't think core gameplay mechanics like weapons should be ultimately catered to top percentile runs. Things should be balanced for around like the 70/80th percentile players. Good enough to get a respectable heat with most weapons and builds and able to achieve high heats with top meta builds.

[barren parrot]

hammer that makes you attack 50% faster instead of omega cast with zeus prime attack was fun. I got demter freeze cast so it was a slaughter anytime I saw a group of enemies lol

[dusk zealot]

The hammer that makes omega attack hit twice seem strong too

[barren parrot]

The one where its all focussed forward? yeah that hammer should be baseline in my opinion lol

[dusk zealot]

yep

[sturdy trail]

Does POWER to ATTACK effect the OMEGA attack? Anyone know?

[tulip heath]

yes

[dusk zealot]

I'd assume so.

[tired turret]

I like the way the omega attack works on staff

[tulip heath]

it's how spin builds work

[sturdy trail]

ok ty guys

[sturdy trail]

thats what im rocking rn, got the perfect hammer and thanatos aspect

[dusk zealot]

The Oath of the Unseen Vows are awful

compared to pact of punishment

[tired turret]

How

[tulip heath]

that's the life put aphro or apollo on attack

[barren parrot]

the aiming is just awakward when you're lining up the inverted side, having it all focussed forward feels better

[sturdy trail]

Is axe special just kinda meh for you guys? I never use it, not even the block

[tired turret]

I like the variety of the oath of the unseen voes

[dusk zealot]

@sturdy trail It pops off with Aspect of Charon

[spare gulch]

I don't like how the Vows only incentives you to go for the targeted boss

[tall notch]

I like it when I get the hammer that makes it charge up faster, can play long range and blast things that way

[tired turret]

But that's the trick. Position yourself in a way that goes both ways

[dusk zealot]

@tired turret A lot of them just feel so debilitating, and it seems like there's not much variety in what you can select yet (I know it's EA so that'll probably change)

[spare kite]

W/o channeling increase the special kinda eh

[barren parrot]

Boi, I'm from SF, I am always positioned to go both ways.

[tired turret]

I mean there's a lot of vows i think

[spare gulch]

@sturdy trail I find that you if you use your cast to hold a bunch of enemies, you can use the omega version to slap them around from a distance

[tall notch]

There's fewer vows than there was heat in Hades 1, so getting to, say 32 fear feels more punishing than 32 heat did

[dusk zealot]

Chronos is a god damn nightmare with this game's forced overtime

[spare gulch]

Well I'm assuming they're going to add more in the future. I'm assuming the boss enhancement is a later development

[steel sequoia]

we have a consensus on best aspects so far?

[dusk zealot]

@steel sequoia Idk if they're the best, but I really like aspect of charon and both new aspects on the blades

[steel sequoia]

did you boosted it?

[lone frigate]

Does the Circe add a random arcana card + judgement is supposed to add an arcana card other than those that judgment add, or did I just get unlucky a few times? 🥲

[dusk zealot]

@steel sequoia A bit

@lone frigate if you draw judgement with circe, does it nullify all your cards but 3?

[steel sequoia]

i got charon but after i see how to boost em im waiting on a tier list so i dont throw away for now

[tall notch]

Momus staff is a clear outlier

[spare kite]

Judgement triggers on boss kills so it does nothing for you

[dusk zealot]

@steel sequoia Just boost what you find most fun, anything is viable at low fear

@spare kite But if you draw it with circe, will it cancel you current cards?

[spare kite]

No

[dusk zealot]

OK, at least that's good

[steel sequoia]

im playing a drifting controller, ill look into them carefully so i can open the rest easier

[signal robin]

is it just me or does ygnium suck

[lone frigate]

Oh, thought it was gonna give an additional arcana card after the boss, too bad

[dusk zealot]

@signal robin nah, it's pretty underwhelming rn

@tall notch What makes momus the best?

[spare kite]

Oh wait do you mean circe's keepsake
Then idk my bad

[tall notch]

Special spam damage can get ridiculous, it handles rising your fear well since it doesn't care for mana much and it's pretty long range so using it is safe

[lone frigate]

My bad yeah

[dusk zealot]

@tall notch What's a good boon to put on momus special?

[lone frigate]

I meant the keepsake that gives a random arcana card

[devout jungle]

• its crazy fast with, not hammer reliant, safe, prolly fastest with antler and strength arcana

[lone frigate]

• judgement

[tulip heath]

what does your guys arcana page look like? I get so confused trying to do math

[steel sequoia]

by reading i liked:
Aspect of Circe
Aspect of Pan
Aspect of Charon
Aspect of Eos

and i didnt understand Aspect of Persephone

[dusk zealot]

I don't like that Artifice is so expensive

[tall notch]

I honestly think it can work with any god. Poseidon is good because it's multi-hit, anything that scales up special damage is good too because the specials have such high power with maxed out momus

[signal robin]

currently using axe, should I pick psychic whirlwind (can use attack and special while omega special is still going) or empowering guard (+50% damage for blocking w special)

[dusk zealot]

Would you say percent or flat damage better?

[devout jungle]

for everything else: https://gyazo.com/09737ea46be54a8f0cb5c95bbc59007a
for momus: https://gyazo.com/e2af17116531f7c9b40a1d78e19941fa

[tulip heath]

[spare kite]

Persephone charges a meter when doing dmg and you can use it to control your omega special

Rn it just charges like really really slow so is kinda meh

[steel sequoia]

im farming mirror so im not focusing on aspects rn tbh

[tall notch]

Honestly I am not sure, haven't experimented with it that much. I tend to start with Zeus for the prime chain lightning boon and pick whatever good special comes up first

[coarse rain]

so Psychic Whirlwind breaks aspect of Thanatos crit gain i guess

[dusk zealot]

Got it, thanks!

[flint patrol]

can anyone confirm you need to have frinos unequipped for the cat to show up at the dock?

[steel walrus]

whats the best aspect for skull

[steel sequoia]

they both appear for me like always

[flint patrol]

cause they arent showing up there or the hidden grove in the first area

[spare kite]

Frinos hasn't left my side and I got them

[tall notch]

Persephone if you have it levelled up IMO, omega damage applies to attacks and casts and the special can be used for utility every now and again

[sturdy trail]

Dang, Apollo+Hestia Duo is infinite HP (whilel youre not striking or getting hit, heal 3hp per second) you do have to take debuff of -100 hp though, pretty interesting

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1040065095679615080/1239001399220768768/image.png?ex=66415579&is=664003f9&hm=c88989353f431c7f789abcb181956a5ad049b54f894e94324404e5290eccb16b&

[flint patrol]

I found out that scorch actually helps charge the special decently

its still abysmal but helps

[signal robin]

does paralyzing creation give you 5 boons?

[steel sequoia]

ive played a lot so far and for me feels like apollo is busted and need some nerfs

[flint patrol]

have you ran apollo attack on the axe?

[steel sequoia]

yes, twice dmg with the 300 cleave

[flint patrol]

it hits practically the whole screen XD

[midnight phoenix]

Feel like this one wont be very helpful on high fear due to tight deadline, but really good for slower runs

[coarse rain]

theres a chaos trial for this
its fun, try it

[sturdy trail]

True, im pretty casual myself, never go crazy on fear.

[sturdy trail]

very fun for spin to win

[flint patrol]

I like rolling for apollo and hera for absolute ad clear

[steel sequoia]

i believe the only thing i wont be able to do is trial of haste

[sturdy trail]

Yeah hera seems pretty good, but when i make builds its always with bosses in mind, some bosses have few adds to stack hitch on, but for room clear hera feels great

[sturdy trail]

you say that, but you're quick to judge yourself lol. Keep trying im sure youll get it, I havent tried yet

[steel sequoia]

yea, this looks like the most op combination for me so far. other stuff are good but if you get the right boons like epic/legendary its just ridiculous dmg

[flint patrol]

also found out if you have the revive a slain enemy moon power, you can revive jetty in the ocean boss fight its funny to let jetty and scylla duke it out

[stoic ridge]

holey hell the steam duo boon feels so good

[steel sequoia]

i need to farm my duo boons, have to rearange the mirror i farmed the entire rest

[flint patrol]

the one duo im not liking so far is the hera/zeus but thats my opinion

[green jewel]

I had the steam on the torches this morning and it was one of my best runs!

[sturdy trail]

what does it do? Is that the one where you Sac hera for zues boons?

[steel sequoia]

its hard to build correctly, but as far as i understood it you have to prime for low mana and spam attacks/specials.

[flint patrol]

other way around

[steel sequoia]

if u just go regular it feels meh

[flint patrol]

it sacs zues and levels hera based on sac'ed boons

[maiden perch]

so im just starting to play im a few runs in and have the first 4 weapons unlocked, what god pairs well with each weapon right at the beginning.

[steel sequoia]

i mean if u get hera sprint/cast and focus on zeus bolting everything you can dissolve stuff with the blades

[jolly bramble]

its an interchangeable duo boon afaik. zeus and hera. can go either way

[maiden perch]

like the best ive found is aphro with the axe on attack and going to town

[sturdy trail]

having like a 250% modifier on the big attack does slap hard

[steel sequoia]

my tip for noobs is focusing on apollo or poseidon builds, than u can play anything u like

[maiden perch]

if you get the hammer mod that makes the axe a big chop too, i was getting almost 1000 damage a hit

[jolly bramble]

worse boon interaction ive gotten is torch with apollo attack. literally did nothing except give a tiny damage boost

[sturdy trail]

Man, looking at the daggers are trying to resist Aspect of pan is difficult

[steel sequoia]

i had some fun with this and double apollo attack

[spare kite]

join us in the better chiron aspect

[steel sequoia]

im tending to boost that build first tbh

[eager dove]

is kinda killing me that I think my ideal Arcana set would cost 31 grasp 😭

[maiden perch]

I also had that boon that makes it if you get hit during an attack you would deal +100% attack damage and I was hitting like 1500 each attack and stuff. It was nuts but I need some other noob starting builds that I can make it far with

[opal saffron]

Is there a limit to how much grasp you can get btw ?

[heavy flame]

staff with poseidan on attack or special, pair with zues, have a good time. Easy build.

[eager dove]

I heard somewhere its 30

[steel sequoia]

the cap is 30 on the mirror

[maiden perch]

I keep getting in runs and then I realize by the time I'm in oceanus and even further I do like NO damage lmao

[eager dove]

but I'm not there yet, I'm at 26 I think

[opal saffron]

Gotcha thanks

[maiden perch]

And ok I'll try poseidon

[steel sequoia]

but the last one hurts to get lmao

[eager dove]

wait does poseidons wave burst retrigger chain lightning on the same hit?

[heavy flame]

https://imgur.com/n6uLnS7

[sturdy trail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1040065095679615080/1239005666287292426/image.png?ex=66415972&is=664007f2&hm=711de9a9c3c542be41ba73340d49f88f7cbf1398379829db932522806b94e5c3&

[wary flicker]

dang how do yall have image perms XD. I guess I missed a rule somewhere

[heavy flame]

post an imgur link

[steel sequoia]

this feelsgood, but i believe apollo cast build is the strongest dmg output

[sturdy trail]

Basically, post it anywhere else in discord, where youre allowed to post pics like your own server, then just Copy link and past here

[wary flicker]

ah

[eager dove]

artemis showing up or not is such a massive power swing imo for almost any build, if you hit fast the arrows are crazy, and if you dont the periodic mark is so good too

[heavy flame]

they were asking for easy builds. spamming attack is as easy as it gets

[wary flicker]

https://imgur.com/a/G0DOGMd What do yall think of my setup here

[plucky inlet]

this audio bug is so frustrating

[eager dove]

for the cards you currently have I like a lot of those

[steel sequoia]

cant remember all but the 5 right which is rare you should focus on that

[eager dove]

though missing out on +rare is a big deal

[wary flicker]

should I swap the +gold with +rarity bonus?

[opal saffron]

Yeah I cant live without it but personal preference

[steel sequoia]

most likely yeah

https://postimg.cc/Mv0CMGpq mine is like this

[wary flicker]

you are up to 30 grasp?!?!?!

Good heavens I thought I was addicted to this game

[steel sequoia]

almost all maxed too

[sturdy trail]

Do you have froggy boy? hes good for passive accumulation

[wary flicker]

I have been playing the game for 25 hours, and have beaten the final boss 7 times, still haven't been given the ability to get a familiar

It stinks but whatever

[eager dove]

someone told me to try bringing different gathering tools and waepons to the hecate fight

[steel sequoia]

i need to work on this lmao https://postimg.cc/TKY4KqsJ

[eager dove]

and she FINALLY gave me the familiar prompt, so I'd try that

[sturdy trail]

Hmm, I have a few more hours than you, not sure what the triggers are but I hope you get it soon

[eager dove]

what triggered it for me was bringing tablet and knives

[serene halo]

who got a fear 10+ build with the umbral flames?

[peak locust]

Idk if this is intentional or not, but I was doing a sprint build just for fun, and besides being able to run faster than Hermes, All of Melinoë’s noises and dialogue are higher pitched as well as if she was being constantly speed up, but everything else sounds normal

[signal robin]

entering a miniboss room in erebus and seeing it's a shadow spiller is like somebody throwing a million rotten tomatoes at you

I hate the shadow spiller

[steel walrus]

I despise the seahorse miniboss

[heavy flame]

If you just keep your damage to under 3 seconds at a time, and then back off, they arent too bad

[spare kite]

Seahorse is chill

[wary flicker]

Btw, am I the only one who feels the umbral flames need a MASSIVE buff/rework in order to actually compete with the other weapons?

[signal robin]

I am terrible at the game so I haven't gotten past chamber 3 in oceanus, this is scaring me

[stoic ridge]

ive seen a ton of people say this

[signal robin]

they are literally useless, used my death defiance in chamber 2 with those things

[trim thistle]

is the fate testament where it asks for mel's help not doable after a certain point? im past oath 8 and i have not had any such interaction

[wary flicker]

lets just hope they listen

[modern yacht]

They def need a little oomph. They feel really good after a few hammers, but they should feel better put of the box.

I think making it go to the omega attack faster might be good

[north vortex]

What's the best weapon?

[wary flicker]

Outside of the flames, they are all SUPER useful. Personally however, I'd say the daggers

[north vortex]

Honestly all other weapons stock feels inadequate in some way compared to the staff, it's so wel rounded

[north vortex]

What do you do about enemies that punish you for getting close

[jolly bramble]

kinda nuts on magic builds huh. to bad surface only
https://imgur.com/a/X6MjtPT

[wary flicker]

cast, then use my pan aspect special

[north vortex]

Haven't unlocked aspects yet

[wary flicker]

However, as much as I love the daggers. I maxed out the skull weapon......

It does so much damage in such a massive aoe

[north vortex]

Is there a 6th weapon after the skull? I haven't unlocked the skulls yet

[jolly bramble]

once you get used to torches, you can do weird stuff. last run i have no idea what killed chronos... probably one of my random flames

[karmic gust]

its coming out eventually, not in the game yet

[stoic ridge]

next update is going to take a few months according to the roadmap

[mortal grotto]

I’ve had great runs with flames, 2 times now all the way to Chronos.

[opal dawn]

Anyone had any consistent luck with 20+ fear? Axe is especially difficult with +20% enemy speed on.

[stoic ridge]

may or may not have the next weapon

[marble urchin]

what does 'Awakening: Activate cards that use 1 hand through 5 hands' means?

[jolly bramble]

use a card that costs from 1 to 5

[wary flicker]

Not quite

[marble urchin]

what kind of card is that?

[wary flicker]

Use 5 cards that cost 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5. When you do, said card will activate

[lime eagle]

It activates if you use cards ranging from 1 to 5 points

[eager dove]

Torch uncharged special is SOOO good with Hera and chain zaps, and it leaves you so much brain power and freedom to position and dodge ❤️

[jolly bramble]

theres a hammer that will make your omega special linger where you casted it

[tulip heath]

what asspect do you use

[eager dove]

Im on mel, the two alternate aaspects focus on attacks which I find to be much less useful

[jolly bramble]

and you can just keep spamming the omega special. melinoe works best with it since increased special duration

[eager dove]

and thats definitely a decent hammer for this, but honestly I like the mobility of almost never charging on this build

[opal dawn]

Also, here's my 20+ fear card set up. Not sure if there's a better combo of cards, because reroll is just too good. https://imgur.com/a/dHn8kxw

[mellow hemlock]

what boons are good with the aspect of pan?

[surreal gust]

if anyone wants an ez win just spam apollo cast

[signal robin]

how do I deal with pinheads? they are the absolute bane of my existence

[mellow hemlock]

tryna figure out what keepsake to bring

[surreal gust]

apollo cast is the best nuke in the game

[jolly bramble]

i hate that were forced into gold for the extra rerolls

[jolly bramble]

anything that moves fast is countered by your cast

[signal robin]

I FORGOT ABOUT MY CAST

[opal dawn]

My preference:
Zone 1: god boon you want for the run
Zone 2: Free extra arcana
Zone 3: Echo double boon
Zone 4: Luckier tooth for death defiance.

[signal robin]

thank you

[eager dove]

is leveled tooth better than knucklebones? I had knuckle alreaady leveled so Ive been favoring it

[simple compass]

The knucklebones just seem insanely strong to me, unless you've already used all your other death defiances so the buffer is more important, is seems like universally the best option vs a boss

[autumn sun]

I'm suddenly unable to search Discord for messages;

So, does anyone have anywhere I can find a good crit build?

[simple compass]

The effective health you gain by taking 15% less damage is probably as much as the tooth, and you also don't need to do as much damage to the boss

[eager dove]

You cant really do crit build that well because artemis isnt a mainline god in H2 right?

[opal dawn]

You're probably right, actually. I might start using that in place of the tooth, given I usually reach the final boss with all my death definaces up

[coarse rain]

aspect of thanatos and artemis keepsake go brrr

[eager dove]

ah sure

ever since H1 I wished getting more than 1heart with a god gave you better rarity chances or something

[dull citrus]

Any recommended attack and special boons for Skulls (aspect of Mel?)

[simple compass]

If you go in with 250hp and 3 40% death defiances, the knucklebones are effectively worth 97 extra health, but also amplify the effect of any other healing you might have and give you an effective damage bonus, so I think they have to be the best

[dull citrus]

I did one with heista attack aphro special and it was nuts

[opal dawn]

I can't believe I slept on it. I just saw luckier tooth and assumed it to be the best final boss choice. Cheers.

[warm aspen]

Anyone got a list of the Duo boons prerequisites yet?

[opal dawn]

You can unlock an in-game boon list that tells the prerequisites

[warm aspen]

I have that but I'm in a boon selection screen and can't access it

[eager dove]

I mean theres the bonus against what last killed you, but given how often I lose to chronos summoning the hour glass thingies instsead of him idk about it haha

[simple compass]

I'd probably rather they made keepsake power scale as you gain hearts with gods rather than through use, because it feels like a bit of a chore needing to level up every keepsake independently

[opal dawn]

Any god combo in particular you want? I can post it for you. Don't have a full list

[simple compass]

I think it definitely is better early on, it's just damage reduction starts to outpace more health from an extra DD as your base health and DDs increase

[warm aspen]

Demeter / Poseidon? I know Island Getaway from Poseidon / Aphrodite requires Flutter Flourish or Strike but I'm being offered the Dem attack

[modern tangle]

If you use that arcana keepsake do you keep the the arcana throughout the run?

[opal dawn]

You do, yes

[modern tangle]

Also I can't give echo nectar. Is that a bug?

[opal dawn]

It's a little RNG still, but nothing that will actively hinder you

[vale shard]

Talk to her, then gift her

[opal dawn]

I had to speak to her first before giving her nectar. It's a bit weird

[opal dawn]

https://imgur.com/a/NstR9q1

[eager dove]

Its so unfortunate that Hitch is great with Chain Bolts, because Hera/Zues duo boons just waste my luck on things I dont want

[grand prism]

@cunning bough On your feedback: You can absolutely dash and keep the omega attack rolling on the torches, btw.

[vale shard]

^

[warm aspen]

Thank you! Looks like I should skip the attack

[slate zodiac]

Does it not bother anyone that Chronos' design is very Egyptian? Or is it just me? lol

[split igloo]

I just got completely done over by a chaos boon 😭

It forced me to swap out my splashy special for a hestia special

[opal dawn]

I like it, to be honest. It feels out there and fitting for the antagonist. Also logical given the sand and gold motifs.

[fair coyote]

I used the duo boon right before Chronos and it honestly saved my run. Sure, meant I lost an attack boon, but the pure power I had in everything else was insane

[visual haven]

any good crit based build?

[slate zodiac]

Thanatos Axe

[long basalt]

Can someone explain how to use the lamp weapon?

Because they simply do not feel as good as the others.

[coarse rain]

aspect of thanatos with a cast that multihits like zeus is pretty good

[slate zodiac]

The torches are just....unpopular as a weapon lol. Both alternate aspects are much much better

[long basalt]

I think I'll just settle for only using them when they have the resource bonus then.

[devout jungle]

https://gyazo.com/96510f22c6f2ccc98c2c70cec098e774 why is it not done ;-;

[warm aspen]

Kinda makes sense since the Greeks always recognized the Egyptians as a culture older and greater than they

[coarse rain]

next page

[slate zodiac]

Never realizezd that

PSA, do this btw. Lots of mats

https://imgur.com/9IMsfKn

[devout jungle]

oof lmao

[eager dove]

Martial Art with a whopping 9 Earth essence mmmmmmmmm

[sturdy trail]

Anyone been messing with Aspect of Medea on the skull?

[eager dove]

Chronos has no idea whats comin to him 😈

I love medea, its great with the hammer that makes you fire skulls all at once in a spread pattern

because you can load all three skulls at once

[hearty needle]

40 runs in and I keep getting stuck at chronos, any tips?

[honest lodge]

Aspect of Mel too since you get max bonus damage on all before any hit

[honest lodge]

Have you tried coarse grit?

[undone hemlock]

Watch out for when Chronos' begins attacking, the tell is very obvious, and get behind him (or block if you have the Moonaxe!). During phase 1, he'll attack one time, during Phase 2 (Half Health), he'll attack up to 3 times in a row.

Otherwise, just play it slow and safe, to be honest. Learn the patterns

[lunar valley]

What's the best strat to trigger moros?

Omega special?

[hearty needle]

Solid advice, I appreciate the attack pattern heads up

[mint whale]

When you see a god option, if you skip it does that god have a chance to be a different god, or does each start of a run always have the same ~4 gods?

[undone hemlock]

He kind of has 4 phases, split up between the House of Hades and once you get his first Healthbar down, he repeats that 1st phase and 2nd phase thing in phases 3 and 4 as well, though he has more attacks in Phases 3 and 4

Ironically, I find that I hate the fight within the house more than I do past that point xd

[undone hemlock]

I just wait until I fire Omega Attacks, and then dash in and spam my regular special a couple times, and dash out

[timid jackal]

Nova Flourish (Apollo?)
Your specials deal more damage in a larger area.
Special Damage: +80%

Does it also buff the omega special? Or normal special only?

[undone hemlock]

If you space it right they just get blown to high heaven

[lunar valley]

Runs are seeded, each run has the same first few chambers if you give up and restart. Winning/dying resets the run seed. However its only applicable to the start of the run and after the first few, it's all indecipherable rng. You have the chance to get any god

[honest lodge]

Both

[lunar valley]

Yeah that's what I tried on my first run and didn't really feel great compared to Eos that is far easier to play

[undone hemlock]

I haven't actually tried Aspect of Eos yet, now that I think abt it

Was saving Nightmare to upgrade certain other portions, and I didn't want to bother investing in another one when Moros worked well for me

[mint whale]

Ok so each run has the same god list even if you keep skipping one, it wont reroll later on. Thanks

[undone hemlock]

Moros specifically works really well when you've got Aphrodite or Demeter, imo.

[signal terrace]

Are there tips with Trial of haste ?
Except for spamming Omega Attack and praying for good rng on ennemies / shops ?

I never got cerberus under 10% hp

[lunar valley]

There's something called a god pool. If you select 4 particular gods (could be any), you'll see only those gods later into the run. Until you select 4 gods, you can keep getting new gods offered

[undone hemlock]

I completed my first 8 fear run off a Moros Demeter build earlier, felt good, but Aphrodite continues to just be like the strongest god in the game right now, I swear.

Her boons are just so insane dps to me

[mint whale]

Ohhh so I can skip a god choice to eventually find another one! Ok thanks!

[lunar valley]

Aphro and Poseidon are the clear top in terms of raw dps, yes

Demeter is good too but her cast already does most of the work tbh so I usually opt for that. Hera is a personal favourite because visual salad

[undone hemlock]

I have a good soft spot for Demeter and Haephestus's effects, and Hera's is really good for clearing out waves of enemies without sacrificing too much in damage.

[tired fulcrum]

Tho hermes isnt counted for the god pool, also i thinkt hey lowered it from 4 in hades 1 to 3 now

[oak falcon]

Hestia and Zeus are probably the most underrated but they both have solid use cases as well (especially their cast buffs)

[lunar valley]

I didn't keep count. Maybe Selene counts as the fourth?

[tired fulcrum]

How to get her to not show up

[undone hemlock]

Hestia requires some investment, and maybe some luck in getting that one Demeter Boon that upgrades things (For that one Fire Extinguisher effect primarily), but she's definitely not bad been trying some runs out with her, but the damage does feel noticably pitiful in some regards.

I've never liked running Zeus myself, even in Hades 1, so I can just say I'm biased on that one. I just don't like him xdd

[lunar valley]

I've had a few runs where she doesn't thankfully. But it'd be weird for her to count since they kinda force her sometimes like hammers

[undone hemlock]

tbf if you get even just two Selene visits, most of the options are actually really solid

[oak falcon]

Zeus is nice for giving you an option for ranged casts and his duo with Aphrodite is a better merciful end.

[lunar valley]

I was trying for a revenge boon run but Zeus would refuse to offer his revenge boons so it turned into a cast run 😔

[undone hemlock]

Lunar Beam and the Dead Summoning one become actually nigh OP once you get a couple Path of Star upgrades in, genuinely.

I summoned Chronos elite satyr champion thing in his boss fight on him and he literally did like half of the healthbar of his second phase all on it's own lmao

[oak falcon]

The mana cost means they're not always worth it though, especially for low mana expenditure builds.

[undone hemlock]

That's true I guess, I haven't been running too much low mana builds, and I'm running the Arcana card that boosts the natural rate at which they charge up

[modern yacht]

I prefer the nightmare and health to the beam tho

[undone hemlock]

Those expensive ones do have Path of Star options that lessen how much mana they take up, and the Dead Summoning one is like, literally 100 mana so it's not that bad.

[honest lodge]

Without fire extinguisher you don't want her to be your primary attack spam, but her support boons are fire (pun intended). I just put together this high fire build where you take her infusion and then heph and apollo for more fire and it got some solid damage output on pan.

[oak falcon]

Nightmare on a omega spam build feels great. You can just turn invincible every two or three moves

[cyan kettle]

can artemis spawn past oceanus, I don't think I've seen her ?

[undone hemlock]

The Health one is just the literal best though, if you get just one major path of stars with her trinket, especially early, as you can start stacking it and I've entered the Chronos fight with like 13 charges before lmao

[oak falcon]

She can spawn in Oceanus but no further. There's a dialogue line about it as well

[undone hemlock]

Past Oceanus? No.

She can spawn in Erebus, Oceanus and on the surface in Ephyrus

[honest lodge]

The health lunar is dope

[undone hemlock]

I've been trying not to rely on it too much though, as I know eventually I'll be wanting to take some of the Healing negatives for the fear.

So I've been experimenting with the damage ones more

[oak falcon]

I kinda wish hexes would stay charged from encounter to encounter. It would need some rebalancing but it would make the high cost hexes more useful overall

[undone hemlock]

Lunar Ray is, super super great if you can get the Rare upgrade that lets you move after you cast it, and it autoaims after you leave it

[spare kite]

the jump hex is funny for certain aspects for the guaranteed crit

[oak falcon]

And it would feel more different to calls from the first game too

[tender flint]

anyone know what full salvo does https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238644696583241861/1239025182941904907/20240511182313_1.jpg?ex=66416b9f&is=66401a1f&hm=94528259759e341244188011ed661b7f0517f7e1f09ce89555aa0151e7b4cbc7& and if it is good for skull aspect of medea

[sudden belfry]

BEAT CHRONOS FOR THE FIRST TIME LETS GOOOOO
momus staff and pos special is magic

[tender flint]

nice

[lunar valley]

Stick to enemy and nuke them

[oak falcon]

Full salvo with Medea loads all your skulls at once

[slate zodiac]

https://imgur.com/VVcwHZV

I miss my Sprint speed already

[tender flint]

ok

[oak falcon]

One of the best hammers for it imo

[undone hemlock]

Full Salvo will fire all of your skulls out at once when you Omega Attack, which basically triples your damage output and slashes the mana cost, even moreso if you're running the Aspect of Melinoe upgrades

oh wait right, not just, omega attacks lol

when I used it I pretty much just spammed my omega attack 100% of the time cause i had the boons to support that

[honest lodge]

Isn't pos special weak on staff? Or were you not omega spamming?

[undone hemlock]

Stuff literally just exploded

[dark lichen]

No reroll though?

[sudden belfry]

i was not omega spamming

[oak falcon]

Pos special is incredibly good on staff

[undone hemlock]

Poseidon Special... weak on Staff? What world are you living in?

[glad nova]

Is there extreme measures(or equivalent) as of yet, or nah?

[tender flint]

like omega attack the one that launches them in air and then crashes down cause i never use it

[sudden belfry]

just regular special spam

[slate zodiac]

Give me more Grasp

[lunar valley]

Not yet

[tender flint]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238644696583241861/1239025617907875840/20240510143721_1.jpg?ex=66416c07&is=66401a87&hm=ec3e4c0ca6c4c2aae779f5229979982fe751b1aa509e2a81fdb3efec23fe1e8c& this is mine

[undone hemlock]

Yeah, sorry it does apply to all of your regular attacks too, I just remembered it with Omega

[honest lodge]

I've never built staff for special spam like that

[undone hemlock]

Staff special spam relies a bit on getting one of the Daedalus hammers

[slate zodiac]

no Huntress is wild to me, I think that one's insane but maybe it's cuz I'm an omega spammer

[modern yacht]

I have 1 too few grasp to be able to have the divinity card and the duo boon card

[undone hemlock]

Specifically Double Moonshot I think it's called?

[tender flint]

is huntress the one that give extra 5% crit

[undone hemlock]

btw, where the heck do you get Dark?

[lunar valley]

Chaos, it's rng

[undone hemlock]

Ahh that'd be why I don't get any, I don't usually mess with Chaos stuff

[slate zodiac]

no, it's the one that gives 50% damage bonus on Atk and Special when you're under 100% magick

[undone hemlock]

Super good one haha

[slate zodiac]

yeah imo that's a must have on any weapon because it's so universal

[worthy badger]

Can someone give me an idea of how to play ygnium, weapon seems like a good concept, but I just cant think of a good combination and playstyle to make it useful

[tender flint]

oh bro you just run chaos keep sake until it gives epic almost all those buffs out shadow that i really dont need it

[slate zodiac]

Play a different aspect

[honest lodge]

I thought that only applied to non omega attack and special

[slate zodiac]

https://imgur.com/dJWx612

[tender flint]

use special more than you think

[undone hemlock]

Yngium is the Torches I think, right? If so yeah this advice lol

[lunar valley]

Hold the attack button to channel your omega, keep dashing. Poseidon gain boon helps to never run out of mana

[slate zodiac]

Yup, Ygnium are the torches

[eager dove]

WOOO, I managed to bring an Arachne dress into Chronos, and beat him while using zero death defiances 😎

[undone hemlock]

Ygnium's aspects make it more playable but base Ygnium is just

[tender flint]

yeah only non omega it doesnt say Attack(S) ot Special(S)

[eager dove]

And that happened to be with ygnium, and the only time I bothered to Omega I immediately got hit

[lunar valley]

Yeah mel torches aren't the best

[honest lodge]

Yeah note that omega is missing in the description

[tender flint]

i love the torch favorite weapon

[undone hemlock]

All the other Meg aspects are fairly solid at least

[lunar valley]

It's more like Eos/Moros are just crazy damage in comparison

[slate zodiac]

I didn't specify, but tl;dr if you buff your atk/special damage it also applies to Omega. Works with boons too. Only certain effects do not have the effect as universal (mainly hammers from my experience)

[undone hemlock]

Though the staff gets outshined by that one that can spam special like hell

[worthy badger]

I cant get myself to play it properly, too used to the melee combat, dont really want to hate the weapon and not pick it up at all

[lunar valley]

I honestly can't tell a difference upon upgrading base axe

[undone hemlock]

and I guess Pan too is really OP if used right, lol, but the other Melinoe ones are generally solid

[lunar valley]

Mel staff is great for omega builds tho

[undone hemlock]

Just not Ygnium

[slate zodiac]

I have done some testing, I admit I was wrong. You are correct, this only applies to regular atk/special

whoopsie noted for future reference

[honest lodge]

Someone was saying otherwise the other day lol

[undone hemlock]

Because I haven't gotten any Dark, haven't really been able to run the Thanatos one, which is pretty darn good, but once you actually do hit Rank 5, the difference is definitely notable for me (I've played more on the Axe than I have most other weapons, haha)

[zenith bolt]

tech that made axe spin even better for me: if you dash then input cast and attack at the same time, you'll dash attack and cast at once, which is good for furies/origination

[slate zodiac]

mb for not testing before talking xd

[oak falcon]

I do feel like axe needs some love, and by love I mean a base damage increase

[lunar valley]

Rank 5 on the mel? I see. I got it to rank 3 and didn't notice a difference so gave up. Maybe I'll try it. Does the base attack string feel faster or something?

[slate zodiac]

Huntress would be real good for torch and dual blades though

[undone hemlock]

A damage INCREASE? It has the highest base damage of pretty much any of the weapons, it's just less immediately spammable

[hoary garden]

is the staff simply a low damage weapon or am I missing something like certain boon combos?

[honest lodge]

Yeah that's what I initially assumed too. But the attack and special base boons I think don't specify say omega damage but I think they all effect both

[tough vapor]

I just had a run that made me love the axe so much, I started with hell splitter, got an epic aphro attack, and lvled it a bunch, I was chopping for 700 dmg, I loved it so much

[tender flint]

thats why i dont run huntress it just gets out shadowed by better things hence why https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238644696583241861/1239025617907875840/20240510143721_1.jpg?ex=66416c07&is=66401a87&hm=ec3e4c0ca6c4c2aae779f5229979982fe751b1aa509e2a81fdb3efec23fe1e8c&

[undone hemlock]

It for sure feels faster and more responsive for me, *especially the dash 1 2 combo where you don't finish the actual finisher on the axe

[oak falcon]

Single hit damage doesn't mean much when it's as slow as it is. And Momus special deals the same damage as the first hit of the axe while being massively spammable

[lunar valley]

If you wanna play magic you really want the hammer that doubles your omega attack and it can nuke. If you wanna spam special, use aspect of momos with poseidon and win

[slate zodiac]

channel is when you use omega attacks. Mel Staff is an Omega spammer (Attack or Special depending on Daedalus hammer/boons)

[undone hemlock]

Meh, I feel like the axe plays really well in my opinion, though I mostly run builds that are omega attack heavy for it, if anything instead of a damage increase it'd be better if it just swung a bit faster overall instead tbh

[lunar valley]

Gotcha, I was hoping it'd feel like Arthur because Arthur is probably my favourite aspect in the first game, but the last hit really comes out a tad too slow. Cancelling it becomes kinda necessary

[oak falcon]

Oh I like the axe, I just think on a balance standpoint, it's weaker than the other weapons right now

[lunar valley]

We were talking about mel axe

[honest lodge]

I've seen people omega attack spam the axe and block while the attacks go off for a thousand damage each. Killed chronos in like 30 secs. Axe can be great

[slate zodiac]

I mean, what would you do for the last point of Grasp though? Yours pic is 29

[undone hemlock]

I honestly think the block makes up for that, and the damage potential of the omega being a lot easier to realize than some of the other builds, but that's also my opinion.

[slate zodiac]

ohhh mb mb xD

[cursive knot]

yeah last hit feels kinda bad but thatos spin builds feel really fun

[undone hemlock]

Axe's regular attack combo is slow and hefty but can absolutely nuke enemies, which is fine, and it's Omega is really, really good at boss killing.

[honest lodge]

With Apollo it has insane reach though

[sudden belfry]

whats the best weapon and build for for eris specifically

[undone hemlock]

If they made the final hit come out faster and let you dodge while in the middle of it, Axe would be like strongest weapon I feel like, doesn't really need a damage increase imo

[dark lichen]

Just got a Full Salvo + 2 Shells for Attacks and Apollo double attack run, boss got deleted

[lunar valley]

Absolutely. I just want the last hit to come out a tad bit faster

[honest lodge]

LMAO. How do you get the apollo legendary?

[undone hemlock]

Anything build Hestia, trivializes the fight. I'd go for a ranged spam build specifically if you want to spite her though.

[tender flint]

I'll probably just add 1 grasp or remove one of the 1 grasp ones and add a 2 grasp one

[cursive knot]

tbh momus with poseidon feels like best weapon for everything in the game to me just depends on what you have fun with

[modern yacht]

Grasp management has been a lowkey fun thing for me

[tender flint]

Pretty sure need atleast 4 boons of his I have gotten it so much

[slate zodiac]

I will state that Huntress is really good with the torches

[undone hemlock]

yes, yes tis.

I still find Aspect of Moros to be really damn good on the torches tbh.

[tender flint]

Also change my mind cerberus is the easiest fight in game he is so easy and I don't get how he hard literally just dash behind him and it's over

[undone hemlock]

You put that with Aphrodite and it can be a bit slow, but it can also absolutely nuke bosses if done right

[honest lodge]

In Hades 1 it was often like you need a primary (attack, special, etc) and like a couple from a specific list

[lunar valley]

Cast builds are always safe. Pick Zeus to actually land hits since apollo casts' delay isn't the best because Eris loves running

[slate zodiac]

I'm testing Eos rn. It seems solid

[tender flint]

Same eos ain't bad but not my thing

[lunar valley]

Eos is my favourite. Love it

[honest lodge]

It affects attack and special so I assume you need one of those and like a couple other things

[undone hemlock]

I can see how Eos would be respectable, I just love the playstyle that Moros presents because the in and out just gives me dopamine, idk

[oak falcon]

Grasp management reminds me favourably of charm notch management in hollow knight. Different choices can lead to very different builds.

[wary flicker]

help.
I just found a buff that makes melinoe's voice low pitched and smooth. I can't handle how good this game is

[eager dove]

Not taking the passive magicka regen Arcana seems so limiting, but I do see people doing it, I wonder how its worth it

[lunar valley]

Eos is basically zeus fists gameplay so it depends on how much you enjoyed the fists in 1

[eager dove]

I want to hear it but the opposite boon is so much better D:

[honest lodge]

I usually don't take it, especially if I'm expecting to have like Hestia or something. I'll just take hers.

Last run I legit took it as my first boon lol.

[eager dove]

I can see that working, I guess I just cant really find a time I want Hestia to be a frequent god in a run, theres better options for most of her benefits.

[lunar valley]

I barely change my arcana even if I'm doing different styles of runs because lazy. Hope they add loadouts to the arcana

[undone hemlock]

tbh, I really think even with some of the good magic regen boons the magic regen arcana is useful, because of how heavy the costs are for most omega spam builds

I'm running out of magic frequently in all of those builds, and it minimizes my downtime

[tall notch]

I do it only in 0 mana runs

[undone hemlock]

Also makes the Hexes way more usable, and on top of that ALSO makes the start with 0 mana in a room basically free Fear tbh

Cause you can upgrade it to like what, 5 a second I think?

[eager dove]

4 I think is max

yep 4

[undone hemlock]

Right, yea

[tall notch]

I really wish we got arcana loadouts. Would make 4 very different ones pretty much immediately

[undone hemlock]

Still, it's just really good for Omega spam builds, which I think are the most powerful builds rn, spare like the one exception of the staff special spam

[signal robin]

Scylla and the sirens are my new favorite band

[lunar valley]

Same. It's already in the feedback so lets pray for the best

[signal robin]

Except for the fact they cooked me immediately

[tall notch]

I would let them cook me if they made a song about it after

[honest lodge]

I was running firebender pan. Hestia, Heph, Apollo, as much fire as possible for the Hestia infusion. Killed second form of chronos in 5 specials with it.

[signal robin]

but then you wouldn’t get to hear it

[eager dove]

Wow if I let go of the Magic gains I can pull this off which Ill admit feels awesome https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/387328692017299456/1239031579481997312/image.png?ex=66417194&is=66402014&hm=4b12ef7dfa5011775733f5261d646228f6760ca2d69f812212187c0233504180&

[undone hemlock]

I am finding Scylla to be the easiest boss at this point to me. Though the bar between Hecate and Scylla is kinda minimal in that regard

[honest lodge]

Exactly. You get tons of rolls so you can get those boons you need

[signal robin]

it was my first time fighting them so I wasn’t really prepared for their attacks

[eager dove]

If I even come close to getting hit during Hecate I feel like such an impatient fool at this point

[undone hemlock]

oh yeah, if it's your first run against them that's totally fair

[honest lodge]

Rare boons, rerolls, mad run shaping

[eager dove]

Scylla at least threatens me if I'm not using a playstyle im used to

[lunar valley]

We love Scylla

[honest lodge]

Yeah, you probably want good magick regen by area 2 boss

[undone hemlock]

Hrm, yeah I guess I can see the appeal, I still don't hate the RNG enough to go that far in my Arcana builds though lol

[cursive knot]

my page is kinda similar i love the rerolls and rarity. feels so good to just pick your build

[undone hemlock]

I just keep one of the three reroll cards active and that's enough for me

Hold on, I'll boot and take a screenshot

[honest lodge]

Plus 4 regen isn't enough for omega spam, but if you have like 10 from hestia you probably don't need 4 more. Chaos can also get you good regen

The 4 regen is quite good with hera though

[zenith bolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/362939825000677377/1239022030410612817/chronos_20_fear_axe.mp4?ex=664168af&is=6640172f&hm=9a9979da863f5600d7644cbda73f976c00d34d9233cd30120e55c78657d51340& i use this here, it works really well

[cursive knot]

honestly i think taking boon rerolls might be something i do for judgement runs next time i do more of those. feels bad when you just wind up without regen until cerb or something.

[dry mirage]

just had a really interesting interaction with Hera attack on axe, spinning and hitting all three sirens is the most dps ive gotten so far

[cursive knot]

hera axe spins are so fun

[zenith bolt]

i think the play is to take life/magick, magick regen, and rerolls on judgment runs

[cursive knot]

on chronos too you can do huge damage when he summons the adds

[honest lodge]

Hera special sisters dagger spam with ricochet gets pretty crazy

[cursive knot]

yeah that sounds smart, i was taking dd over magick regen but cat should honestly be fine until yout the card

[undone hemlock]

oh, I can't send attachments

I was gonna show my arcana build was but nevermind to that xd

[scenic roost]

Umbral flames need to have faster attack speed, omega after 3rd atk (instead of after 5th), and lower mana per omega...

[modern yacht]

I feel that

[undone hemlock]

darn, no they don't really

[eager dove]

so in total with fully upgraded judgement, you get 18 total Arcana by the end of Mourning Fields, Can that hit 0 cost Arcana, or Can it retroactively enable/disable them?

[zenith bolt]

you dont even need dd until chronos anyway imo

[modern yacht]

I think it needs to go into omega attack sooner. Flames with no hammers feels bad

[zenith bolt]

if you're dying before chronos it's a bad run

[eager dove]

Does anyone know the answer to the way judgement treats the other zeros?

[zenith bolt]

cant help, ive been waiting to upgrade everything before i do judgment runs

[spare kite]

pretty sure it can just activate them
circe's item that activates cards can turn on judgement for example

[eager dove]

okay so you cant get the zeros for free, they just get switched on like any other card for that

[glad nova]

What does the cyclop's golden sheep do?

[eager dove]

still that means you only miss out 6, maybe less cards by the end of Fields?

[spare kite]

if you want a more fun run take up the revive a mob hex and use it during the sirens fight
is bugged rn so judgement procs after the revived siren dies

[spare kite]

there's a golden one!?

[eager dove]

Yeah cool! You can enable Messenger as a 4th arcana, and still get judgement

so thats actuall 5+15 for 20/25 arcana active by the time you reach tartarus

[undone hemlock]

AAAUGH

Gold sheep nullifies magic. I don't wanna type the whole thing out.

Darn you bot. Makin me watch my language and all that junk

[eager dove]

oh yeah those sheep are super frustrating

[glad nova]

It seems he has run variety in the form of sheep. In some runs, it spawns the white sheep, that he eats to heal himself. In others, a black sheep, that attacks you. And then theres the golden sheep, that create a circle around them and I have no idea what they do

[spare kite]

as in you can't use it at all/blocks hits or it steals mp

[eager dove]

Yeah the gold sheep block things, not sure which things

[glad nova]

Ty!

[undone hemlock]

You can't use it at all, that includes your Torches actually. I know it blocks all your ranged projectiles and whatnot

You can't omega cast in them either

[spare kite]

ew

[undone hemlock]

yeah they're a huge pain in the... rear end.

[eager dove]

Thankfully Poly is mostly a test of your patience at least, though I dont find that fact super fun

[undone hemlock]

yeah, same for Eris too honestly

[zenith bolt]

worst sheep is the horned one

[eager dove]

Eris is a patience test untill she destroys the only cover and then I PANIC

[undone hemlock]

If you play them slowly, it's really easy to not even be hit, but if you try and rush in and damage them to smithereens, you're gonna get blasted to high heavens

[undone hemlock]

Whenever she throws out the attack that can destroy the cover I just get near her and dash behind her last moment

She can't turn around fast enough, hehe.

[tall notch]

Eris isn't a test of patience if you run +40% movement speed fear pact, she gives no time to be patient lmao

[eager dove]

I realized the pink shot does that, but apparently she has another move that can do it beause sometimes it just dies for me

[sudden belfry]

are fish useful for anything other than bones

[undone hemlock]

I haven't gotten that far yet, my highest run was done today which was 8 fear, I was a couple days late to start playing

[zenith bolt]

get hit once
stunlocked into spending a DD
peak hades

[undone hemlock]

Because Steam was being a, respectable son of a respectable lady. Shoutout to Dyno bot for making me have to watch my language.

[spare kite]

the pillars are just really durable/the hestia shot just one shots pillars

[undone hemlock]

I've died to Eris more than any other boss asides from Chronos it's actually so stupid how it's designed yeah

[zenith bolt]

i was more complaining about her on +speed

[undone hemlock]

Sometimes she hits you THROUGH the pillars

[mild phoenix]

Eris is fun wdym

[spare kite]

frino is so fun vs Eris tbh

[undone hemlock]

Some of her moves are wack af, it's so weird.

[zenith bolt]

i think eris is too punishing, but is otherwise fine

[mild phoenix]

She only hits for like 10 or something

[zenith bolt]

she hits harder than chronos on most attacks if you eat 2+ bullets

[sudden belfry]

why r people talking abt frinos n the cat btw
do they give buffs or something?? how do you unlock that?

[undone hemlock]

This honestly applies to the normal fight too though, cause when she just hits you through the pillars sometimes (which she DOES atm, Early Access moment) you just lose like your entire healthbar even if you've got a tanky build (unless you have that one Demeter Infusion Boon. Live saver that one is)

[zenith bolt]

yeah as familiars they help u. frinos gives +40 hp and projectile blocking

[undone hemlock]

Frinos best boy

[sudden belfry]

how do i give them treats?

[signal robin]

Demeter sprint does more damage than Ygnium 💀

[eager dove]

Ygnium is all about specials unless you grab the other aspects as far as im concerned

[undone hemlock]

Ahaha, yeah, Aspect of Melinoe Ygnium needs some tuning.

[glad nova]

Eventually You unlock them. I think Hecate gives them to you eventually. Then after awhile you get the option to make them in the Cauldron

[undone hemlock]

Was it Hecate? Thought it was like, a Fated List reward or something

[eager dove]

Also Omega ygnium special has LOWER damage per hit than ygnium normal special haha

[undone hemlock]

Idk, you get it naturally at one point

[signal robin]

problem with that is the specials are a pain to have to dance around enemies with to be able to hit them

[undone hemlock]

Honestly that actually makes sense, because it's way easier to hit

[glad nova]

I might be going crazy, but I remember having a conversation with her introducing the concepts of familiars and giving a pet treat to you

[undone hemlock]

I remember that too actually, in her fight it gets mentioned, but she doesn't give you the thing as far as I remember.

[signal robin]

I’ve not unlocked aspects yet so idk about the others but base ygnium is unusable

[eager dove]

I think yngium normal special is easier because it doesnt require ongoing positiong from you

[undone hemlock]

Aspect of Moros and Aspect of Eos make it much more usable, no worries.

[undone hemlock]

Oh I just mean for consistent, repeated damage tbh

gosh darnit Dyno

[eager dove]

wait what did I say?

[undone hemlock]

Grumble grumble bot grumble grumble

[eager dove]

did I curse at all?

[topaz peak]

Eris is solved with hestia dash boon

[glad nova]

Its the torches right? I haev to disagree. The first run I got to Chronos (11 I think) was with them. They are just slower than the other weapons, but the dash while attacking really helps.

[eager dove]

I was trying to say I disagree, my best builds have been ygnium builds that dont even use the aspects

[undone hemlock]

True, but that doesn't solve the inherent annoyances with the fight tbh.

[topaz peak]

Fair

[undone hemlock]

I find that Ygnium is, whilst annoying to use, also extremely safe. Way more than most other weapons, because it has way more range than most other weapons

[glad nova]

Thematically appropriate, how lovely

[undone hemlock]

So it's a lot easier to go a lot farther with Ygnium once you get used to it.

But that doesn't mean Ygnium builds can't be, kinda lacking sometimes on the normal aspect. Because it definitely is.

[topaz peak]

Why?

[undone hemlock]

Pretty much the most consistent complaint I've seen thus far in the server is about Ygnium lol

[eager dove]

Hera special + chain lightning, then angle for the Heph/Zues duo, honestly been so reliable for me

[topaz peak]

I’ve just been going pretty much pure aphro pan aspect

[eager dove]

you just zip around the fight dropping as many orbs as pssible and then moving somewhere else

[undone hemlock]

Man I rememebr the first time I got the Hera/Heph duo boon, and I was fuming because I had just picked up the attack boon from Aphrodite lmao

It was a surface run anyway, but man that was funny

[glad nova]

Exagryph's first holder was Hestia. So it feels fitting she is the most effective at stopping Eris from using it properly

[topaz peak]

Fair lol

[eager dove]

Yeah I love this build, but it does suffer from having multiple Dud Duo's you might get offered

[undone hemlock]

Yknow, I never did much high heat hades, but I'm immediately diving right in to higher fear levels

I love the combat evolution in this game from the previous tbh

Sprinting feels like something I was I had in Hades 1 so badly, and I really enjoy the Omega attacks quite a bit

[autumn sun]

Huh. With the axe, you can dash after the second swing and finish the combo

With Melinoë aspect.... Oohhh

[undone hemlock]

Melinoe aspect axe user moment

[autumn sun]

Stick on the Artemis charm

[undone hemlock]

I love Melinoe aspect axe, because the only other one I've been able to get is Charon's and I'm not much for it

Seems cool but overly complicated in practice versus Melinoe aspect just being, swing swing ya dead faster

[autumn sun]

It's much more mobile than the Thanatos build, and the huge freaking crit you get is great

[modern yacht]

I usually do aphrodite then switch it after hecate

[undone hemlock]

Aphro on axe is just to good yeah

[autumn sun]

Ohhhh and then do this build with the duo boons that give you plus 200% damage if you don't have any Attack or Special boons at that point

[barren wolf]

I prefer to use lim and oros with the artemis keepsake tbh

[undone hemlock]

Apollo is like the only other choice I've gone with, primarily for Haha get destroyed from a mile away.

[autumn sun]

Hephaestus/Hera

[undone hemlock]

The sheer size on the Omega Attack on the Axe with Apollo is frighteningly large lmao

[barren wolf]

True

[undone hemlock]

Honestly, with that one Daedalus hammer that makes it faster to charge your Omega Attack, you just clear entire rooms so fast with that setup lol

Especially if you pick up an armor damaging boon, like that one Hephaestus boon

[tender flint]

aspect medea busted just got my win on that

[raven yew]

this is my 6th time seeing yall glaze aspect medea now i need tot ry it

[undone hemlock]

What gods are good for Medea, it felt odd when I tested it in training ground

[barren wolf]

Gods I hate armor

[lunar valley]

Lovely I got softlocked in ephyra

[barren wolf]

Takes forever to get through

[undone hemlock]

Well, to be fair, without it the game would not be nearly as fun as it is overall

Stunlock go brrr

[modern yacht]

I don't like armor on ads in the middle of boss fights

Or on wailers

[woven island]

Did someone had some good runs with Hera boons ? Everytimes i see her, i feel like her boon are a curse. They feel pretty bad.

[glad nova]

I swear you couldnt do it on launch. Wonder if they'll mention something on the first patch notes

[raven yew]

i had consistent runs with hera she feels great on axe in my opinion

[undone hemlock]

yeah, this is the worst of the armor stuff in the Polymetheus fight, tbh.

Like when he spawns 4 armored launchers, I'm just staring like

[wet nova]

Only issue with high fear in this game for me is it removes build diversity

[modern yacht]

The cyclops fight is kinda unfun ngl

[woven island]

With attack, special or Hex ? Could you explain me ?

[undone hemlock]

To be fair, that kind of is an issue with Hades 1 as well, it's a natural issue of the system increasing difficulty, requiring more minmaxing

[modern yacht]

Like he's just jumping

[wet nova]

You are very unlikely to run a omega based build if you wanna do high fear, cos of the prime 10 per rarity thing, aswell as start at 0

[wet nova]

Yh with hades 1 it was bad but usually after like heat 40

Here it’s evident from like heat 25 ish

[teal swift]

how does the "slow enemies when channeling" card work with chronos? I assumed it doesn't work, but sometimes it feels like it does

[undone hemlock]

I mostly find I can get around it if I avoid the time limit one though, tbh. You can get to pretty high heat without invalidating omega builds.

[glad nova]

jesus, you people can already beat fear 25?

[undone hemlock]

Someone beat Fear 32 earlier today, I've only gotten up to Fear 8, though I know I could go farther, I'm just going as the weapons recommend it, and switching weapons for the bones thing every night

[wet nova]

I did both heat 32 runs (although it was with staff special run and the chronos one was a one tap but the eris one took at least 4 attempts)

[undone hemlock]

So slowly building it up

[wet nova]

Like I did enjoy chronos fear 32 but eris one felt so restricting

[glad nova]

Good lord. Good luck to you people @-@

[wet nova]

If I didn’t get the right boons etc it was very hard, that by the 4th I just took hestia sprint 😭

If the game has it available to you it must be used

[spare kite]

doesn't work yeah
dude schmooves on slowed time

any slowdown doesn't work fwiw, not only the card

[raven yew]

special hera, with born again is great for special spam, i also try to find boons that lessen the channel (like apollo or hammer)

[undone hemlock]

Actually, the Sorceress card fully works against Chronos, it's the only slowdown that DOES work lol

[unique geode]

does anyone know how to get the duo between dem and pos? bc the nature of it makes it seem more than just 2 core boons

[wet nova]

Pretty sure it doesn’t he’s like immune to any slow effect

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1239043187683889243/image.png?ex=66417c64&is=66402ae4&hm=c189936779492fdf665c84efbc8d04b05bf3251b5893cfc874f2768dcdb35e9f&

[dry mirage]

what are some fun builds to play? ive gotten my only clears with poseidon special staff spam and like it gets boring lol

[woven island]

Thanks, i'll try it next time. I'm currently cheesing every run with Zeus Hex but i want to try more Gods.

[unique geode]

tyyyy

[graceful dragon]

How do you guys use the moonstone axe?

I like it, but man, without any ranged options, it always trading blows if you're fighting armors.

[wet nova]

Yh it really does, but sadly it’s the most effective at high fear

[split igloo]

Where do I get dark to unlock aspect of than

[undone hemlock]

If I had a run that was close I'd record for you, but I don't, it does work on him though this got discussed earlier today xd

[wet nova]

Personally I’d say most fun builds are to avoid Poseidon basically cos he makes runs very easy

[dry mirage]

randomly in chaos gates

[split igloo]

Thanks

[graceful dragon]

Poseidon sprint is just fun though

[dark whale]

is there any god who's prime adds damage to special?

[raven yew]

yessirrr, although i do feel like hera is the type of god u have to be lucky with, i have multiple runs doomed cuz of some of her boons

[undone hemlock]

Armors can't hit ya if you destroy their armor in half a second. Aphrodite on attack go brrrrr

[wet nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/938077229206876223/1238498484454424650/8mb.video-vzT-vYgvmPA7.mp4?ex=66417b58&is=664029d8&hm=060e79773e47e4883f33b4a2de214b64bd1bbc53c6ec8552a0d478beccf8e6d1&

Cast build go brrr😂

[devout tiger]

can someone give me a quick list of all the best aspects for each weapon,

[lucid talon]

Today I learned that Moneybags can be summoned by Chronos in Phase 1 and can be raised via Night Bloom. As chronos doesn't actively target them because they constantly shoot themselves into a corner, it becomes surprisingly efficient to just focus on dodging his moves and letting them shoot him to death. The wide area move in phase 2 tends to kill them quickly, so short lived fun.

[wet nova]

Depends what build you wanna play melee or ranged

[devout tiger]

dont matter to me tbh, if its busted,. also i hear melee kinda bad rnow

[undone hemlock]

I can now see the benefit of the Chiron axe jesus christ

Charon

[dark lichen]

There's no way they're not going to nerf Solar Ring

It deletes everything

[devout tiger]

thats the apollo cast right?

[dark lichen]

Yep

[devout tiger]

yeah i used that once or twice,

[undone hemlock]

Jesus christ I need to use that, my god

[wet nova]

It does but it also requires a duo to become this good

[raven yew]

oh i love channel spam

[undone hemlock]

What's the setup

[raven yew]

with the axe its so satisfying, I need to try it

[devout tiger]

anyways if anyone's got a list of in their opinions based on either melee or ranged, the best aspects for each weapon just ping me ig

[dark whale]

anyone know?

[dark lichen]

That's Apollo cast with Zeus spec and there duo boon I guess

[wet nova]

Momus staff special, aspect of pan daggers, torch (I don’t use enough to know), Thanatos axe, skull depends if you wanna use omega special or play like aspect of Beowulf

[zenith bolt]

actually insane. why is chaos just the best https://i.imgur.com/yFIBcZK.png

[spare kite]

chaos is so goated here
shoutout to the healing boon

[devout tiger]

thx, im just trying to figure where to start on aspects is all, i'll eventually get to a point where i find my own niche but this is a starter for me

[elder falcon]

I used a boon in a run a little bit ago that restores all your magick when you run out at the cost of priming some of your magick. I don't remember which god that boon is from or what it's called. Anybody know that?

[lunar valley]

Hera

[wet nova]

Aspect of pan plates like aspect of Chiron from hades 1 which is the most familiar to get used to

[raven yew]

hera, born again

[devout tiger]

ah, i always liked the one shield that span when you threw it, dunno the aspect name i never bothered to remember them,

[dark whale]

are there any gods who's prime adds damage so special like aphrodite's does to attack

[raven yew]

anyone who uses medea skulls what build do u guys run

[wet nova]

Idt there is one afaik

Medea is the Beowulf kind of one?

[dark whale]

darn. thank you

[undone hemlock]

I'm using Aspect of Momus for Staff, Aspect of Pan for Daggers, Aspect of Moros for Torch, Aspect of Melinoe for Axe, and Aspect of Melinoe for Skull personally atm. Haven't really experimented enough with the skulls though tbf

[steep musk]

What gods do you guys think are worthy of top 5?

[wet nova]

If so you wanna run Aphrodite on attack and just charge into enemies with special (although no protection)

[devout tiger]

i mean,. the skulls feel like the bloodstones, even the shoot animation, pickup, and sounds she makes reminds me of hades 1

[steep musk]

I was thinking Apollo, Poseidon for sure

[wet nova]

At that rate you might aswell say what’s bottom 2 gods😂😭

[devout tiger]

i love it

[steep musk]

However ya wanna think of it :)

[raven yew]

i have a heated answer, I really like hephastus 😔

[wet nova]

Hestia is definitely down there (except her sprint against eris being more valuable than anything)

[undone hemlock]

For Hades 2 thus far?

Aphrodite, Poseidon, Demeter, Apollo, Hephaestus.

[dark whale]

aspect of melinoe staff is criminally slept on

[lucid talon]

Yeah I'm hoping for some hammer boons that make the skulls like Trippy shot

[dawn cape]

Question: as far as raw stats and capabilities go, how does Zagreus compare to Melinoe? If some part of the story has you randomly play as Zagreus for a run, would he be weaker or stronger?

[wet nova]

Hephaestus is only really good with poms, which this game does not give enough at all

[devout tiger]

i like how hephaestus and apollo offer boons you'd have normally seen as daedulus upgrades in the first game, its nice

[undone hemlock]

It can be great, but it relies way too much on getting the god tier Daedalus hammer for my brains sake

[wet nova]

Are we assuming zagreus has access to magick?

[glad nova]

The game is balanced around Aoe's and hordes of enemies, Mel is def stronger

[wet nova]

If zagreus has no magick bro is getting cooked

[devout tiger]

i mean maybe he does

[dark whale]

it goes nuts for omega cast builds

[steep musk]

I think I agree with this tbh I just don’t know about Hephaestus. I tend to take him on the attack or special that I use less often cause the burst damage is great! Past that I’m not sure about him

[devout tiger]

maybe he just aint shown it

[dawn cape]

I'd be assuming Hades 1 mechanics for zagreus so he doesn't get magick, but would probably be using the hades 1 boon pool

[wet nova]

Sleeping on Zeus utility

[undone hemlock]

Oh I'm a certified Zeus disliker, I'm biased here.

[summer seal]

I'm gonna put Zeus over Hepaestus, but otherwise yup

[undone hemlock]

I just dislike how Zeus feels to play lmao

[lucid talon]

Zeus utility? Like his lightning bolts prime and the cast bolts?

[dark whale]

like just grap aspect of melinoe staff and apollo omega cast and boom instant nukes

[wet nova]

Even though zeus overall is pretty bad, his prime 50 for lightning chains and his cast placement make everything a lot easier

[summer seal]

The chain lightning is really nice

[steep musk]

Who do yall think is the best? Poseidon?

[wet nova]

Exactly those😭😂

[undone hemlock]

Hephaestus I find just has nicer benefits for the weapons I run most, which is Axe and Daggers.

[summer seal]

and if you get the poseidon zeus duo you are gonna be cooking

[wet nova]

Unfortunately by a long shot, his base boons, legendary and duo are small insanely good

[steep musk]

I have to agree

[split igloo]

zeus, hestia and hephaestus all feel kinda meh to me, I understand how some of them have their uses but, no

[undone hemlock]

I also find that Hephaestus' attack and special aren't really just kind of slot fillers like I find Zeus' to be.

[zenith bolt]

looks like im set on life and magick now https://i.imgur.com/VXy1vrg.png

[lucid talon]

What's the duo btw? I haven't encountered it yet

[wet nova]

I will not lie Hephaestus impervious 10s+ is extremely good for high heat runs

[steep musk]

Is Hera any good besides born gain

[wet nova]

Hera has pretty weird debuff which only works at close ranges between enemies unlike aspect of Rama

[undone hemlock]

DYNO BOOOOOOOT.

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1239046464122912880/channelspeedgud.mp4?ex=66417f71&is=66402df1&hm=761fa6308c1722626b110349745105b404a666ef5cd5d3ec8f4ae49c06708de0& funny channel speed (this probably would have worked better with aphro special but whatever)

[glad nova]

how big can your grasp get?

[spare kite]

30

[glad nova]

Ty

Getting pretty close to it then

[split igloo]

not particularly, she's not bad but, i wouldnt pick her, she's like a bad rama with an ok dmg increase

[undone hemlock]

Ugh, well what I was trying to say is that yeah, Hephaestus just has a lot of really solid boon options, compared to Zeus who has some really useful boon options I think is how I rate it.

Btw, if you get the Hephaestus boon that gives you armor, and you manage to get that Demeter boon that upgrades on it, if gives you armor every single time that upgrades, including from the start, so you at minimum get like, 325 armor or something.

[soft charm]

Wow, I've been completely sleeping on Poseidon it looks like

[lucid talon]

Hera's flat attack increase is decent (50% for common), I actually build around getting her in Mourning Fields because of her 2 boons which increase damage by 15-20% if no boons are common, and another boon which rarifies all your common boon if you have 4 earth. It jacks up an existing build, so I treat her as an amplifier

[glad nova]

Dont listen to them, Hera is awesome, especially with the skull and the axe's special

Hordes of enemies melt and make area 4 really satisfying

[soft charm]

I really like Hera, but she feels really dependent on what god you pair her with. Personally had a blast with her + Aphro with Aspect of Pan.

[summer seal]

Called Killer Current, you get 30% bonus lightning damage on slip-afflicted foes. SO ideally you have the Zeus cast and chain lighting and it gets high damage quite quick

[steep musk]

I’ve never been able to activate any infusion…

[lucid talon]

Ngl though at times the bird cawking sound that accompanies her attack gets pretty annoying lol. Feels like I'm in a zoo or aviary sometimes

[soft charm]

it was this but on a weaker scale

[glad nova]

Then you sudenlly turn two common boons into 2 heroic boon's right at Chrono's door and the dopamine goes crazy

[undone hemlock]

Honestly, Hera is right next to Hephaestus on my ranking, i almost didn't include him, the main 4 that really matter to me is

Aphrodite, Poseidon, Demeter, and Apollo, and then anything else is just kinda filler to me half the time lmao

[undone hemlock]

oh god yeah that can go absolutely crazy tbh

I've never been that lucky sadly

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1239047335590367232/NoSlowdown.mp4?ex=66418041&is=66402ec1&hm=430ddb216dbc57cdc9d543772a9e4d929b9c67471be46848bb584124ab8a54d8& also re:sorceress slowdown vs chronos, yeah no it doesn't work lol

[undone hemlock]

I only get offered that darn thing in the first half of runs I feel like

[lucid talon]

Ngl I was hoping Sea Storm might still be in because it was one of my faves back in Hades I.

[spare kite]

zeus's legendary sounds funny in this game, gonna miss splitting bolt tho

[stoic ridge]

i hated the skull at first but now i might like it more than the axe

[hot cedar]

does the tarot card that boosts your damage with less than full mana work with the vow that puts your mana to zero?

[tropic cargo]

Is it just me or is the dagger omega attack hella buggy on chronos

[wind lake]

wdym

[raven yew]

i cant get a grasp on the skull, whats the combo 😭

[wind lake]

i just used dagger omega only to melt chronos

[distant ocean]

my list is similar cept hestia instead of demeter

[stoic ridge]

apollo on attack feels really nice on aspect of melinoe

[distant ocean]

gimme that infusion juice

[tropic cargo]

u do it and it withs half the time bc u face the wrong way