h2-builds-and-combat

[woven patrol]

Hard buff mana w the boon that gives more HP per mana, poseidon boom for double rewards and look for hp, etc

[chilly swift]

Question for those knowledgeable about Zeus boons: If you have chain lightning on attack and are fighting a single target, does the chain lightning do any damage at all?

[zenith bolt]

titan is 40, frinos is 40, centaur is 40-45, base hp is 30. so that's in total minimum of 150-155 hp at chronos

[bleak night]

probably unupgraded versions since the guy asking doesn't have aspects unlocked yet

[strange kite]

also yes poseidon water boon is super good

[jaunty stump]

wait, you can upgrade the animals??

[slate zodiac]

Btw how do we use Twin Lures? Do I have to fish with them?

[zenith bolt]

yea, feed em more animal crackers

[bleak night]

yeah

[strange kite]

yeah u need to repeat give treats

[zenith bolt]

you invite ppl to go out and fish with you

[bleak night]

it's like nectar and the bath salts, they're for gifting

[woven patrol]

The amount of cash/health I've gotten is ridiculous

[charred seal]

I almost never get over 150 hp, more boon = bigger number me like big number ooo

[jaunty stump]

oh sweet, thanks guys!

[slate zodiac]

I figured as much. I haven't been going through the social aspects at all. I'll attempt to do so I suppose

[devout jungle]

ah yeah. but in general i feel like melinoe is the best sister blade aspect. pan can cheese with 1 or 2 hammers tho

[strange kite]

low boon count is good for pom consistency

[chilly swift]

Anybody know if chain lightning on attack has any effect against single targets?

[zenith bolt]

yea they still take the chain lightning damage

[strange kite]

i think it still does some damage

[grand prism]

Not by default, but the zeus/hephestus duo makes them bounce off you back at them (no damage to you). It's hilarious

[chilly swift]

Ty!

[grand prism]

They take one instance, no bounce without that duo

[strange kite]

it’s my favorite zeus boon. because it stacks with attack speed and hits

[charred seal]

High boon count is good for good boon chance (I've already taken all the s###ty ones)

[strange kite]

luuul true

[grand prism]

oh yeah, I love it with the staff's special + hammer for faster cast.

[charred seal]

Y'all. The Zeus Hera duo boon is horrible.

[slate zodiac]

https://imgur.com/GfmxcAf

Wtf, the dual blades disappeared

[white steppe]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/824538394506952724/1238907664449147001/image.png?ex=6640fe2c&is=663facac&hm=869874ec4232a5542a59a47a71db1ab38eb0b4d3825de715ec396439d3d1bcb0&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/824538394506952724/1238907694019248240/image.png?ex=6640fe34&is=663facb4&hm=7f65f021910a5224c1fc53ee770c12e149fea3d6487714116ad7ce49a2c039fe&

sussy health bar line (although its working)

[strange kite]

u know whats terrible? zeus poseidon

[grand prism]

Hera is horrible*

[strange kite]

actually worthless. worst duo boon i have ever seen in my life

[bleak night]

that means you cleared all the obtainable nightmares from the Sister Blades

[charred seal]

What are you even talking about what. Hera is one of the best

[zenith bolt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/362939825000677377/1238908386280734811/12_fear_momus.mp4?ex=6640fed9&is=663fad59&hm=0793ebc3f2a815f5abe22569c4b69065cdd5737951bc68e6e75b904165722fcc& here's that momus fight against chronos. no king tide makes me sad. dont ask about the instakill

[slate zodiac]

For general usage and no hammers I'd argue Artemis is the best. Pan is probably the most highroll though because you can do some insane stuff with Pan

[bleak night]

This is what mine looks like for reference https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1238905623760867470/image.png?ex=6640fc46&is=663faac6&hm=432c0e79b0940e5991387e63f8444c2dbbeb48bf365102c897ba79afb0019da6

[grand prism]

Oh I have no clue what I'm talking about, I just like to talk.

[slate zodiac]

I have to play other weapons?!

[bleak night]

yeah...

[echo pulsar]

man, cheesed the whole surface run with the healing staff. But a W a W.

[strange kite]

ikr… imagine having to use torch. unbearable

[slate zodiac]

well, I got Grimblight on axe now

[charred seal]

Understandable. Hera energy boon is outright broken and I sincerely hope it never gets fixed.

[strange kite]

how many nightmares do u get per weapon?

[bleak night]

6

[strange kite]

can u only upgrade a limited number of aspects?

[grand prism]

Oh yeah, the one boon sure. Everyone has good boons. "Hera is bad" is about her curse, her themes, etc.

[devout jungle]

but artemis gives nothing but quality of life. the speed is worthles of arcana n1, the parry is alright but kinda useless if everything is perma slowed

[strange kite]

aye wtf thats so bad. this system suuuucks.

[slate zodiac]

You can buy Nightmares via broker

[green cypress]

@bleak night I figured out how to clear the first room with a weapon. The cato!

[chilly swift]

What happens if you choose additional Prime boons when all your mana is already Primed?

[strange kite]

i dont wanna.

[grand prism]

Why spread hera's curse with abilities, so that they... take damage from your abilities? Just do more AoE damage lol.

[charred seal]

Her curse is alright. It enables a pretty good duo with Aphrodite tho. She also gives great stats to Ur abilities.

[bleak night]

you get nightmare from prophecies as well

[tired fulcrum]

They still work

[strange kite]

i wanna upgrade everything for free just running heat

[chilly swift]

Sweet!

[green cypress]

Now I can do a full run without a weapon and cast

[bleak night]

that's true, yeah

[charred seal]

Hera atk still gives you a really good damage boost on the attack itself.

[slate zodiac]

I mean, how useful will the backshots even be? 99% of the time the enemy turns to face you, the other 1% are boss fights where they have one specific move where they channel something.

I do believe the strength order goes Pan >> Artemis > Mel

[sturdy meteor]

where do i find dark ?

[slate zodiac]

@bleak night sir, as a Hera addict what weapons do you think would be the best with her? I'm going through all the Gods and trying to level all their keepsakes

[charred seal]

Don't underestimate Mel knives, they do chunk

[slate zodiac]

visit Chaos every now and then

[grand prism]

move faster than light.

[woven patrol]

Great question 😭

[charred seal]

STAFF.

[devout jungle]

well if you omega attack you jump behind them. most bosses that you want to dps lock themselves facing away from you for EVERY attack, other than scylla. and even if that wasnt the case, artemis doesnt give damage, only survivability when your screen is 99% slowed anyway...

[slate zodiac]

Maybe I'll need to rank 5 Mel blades in the near future

[devout jungle]

the backshot damage applies to the omega attack aswell

[slate zodiac]

I'm willing to be proven wrong lol

[slate zodiac]

That's already on my list to try (Mel Staff specifically)

[charred seal]

Mel staff with dem and Hera is my favourite build.

[devout jungle]

i started maxing artemis too, loved the concept but the first arcana is just turbo op, which makes artemis useless. without that arcana, i could see your point

[flat pulsar]

artemis gives +50% crit chance and crit is +200% dmg

[earnest nacelle]

artemis does give damage tho, it gives 50% crit after riposte

[devout jungle]

but you should be running the slow, and the slow makes it really bad to riposte

[zenith bolt]

what are people thinking for vows? personally theres a few obvious no-takes (high levels of timer, the arcana seal, prime on boons if you dont have a magickless setup)

[slate zodiac]

I typically like Apollo Attack the most for Mel Staff. Apollo is goated

[oak falcon]

Grasp used on time slow is grasp not used on other arcana. Honestly I don't find it super useful in most runs

[charred seal]

For normal attacks, right? Apollo seems like a DPS loss in Omega attack staff

[flat pulsar]

I love the riposte, you can dodge all the chronos attacks

[slate zodiac]

It increases range of omega attacks too

[earnest nacelle]

riposte can block his instakill too which is funny

[charred seal]

Ok but big laser go kaboom

[slate zodiac]

People sleep on Artemis blades, which is understandable but lol

[charred seal]

Try Hera on it trust, or demeter.

[devout jungle]

tbh chronos is the only argument for artemis, where the slow isnt that good, but at that point you slow yourself down so much not using the 40% backshot or pan, that its just not worth

[zenith bolt]

its kinda just being overshadowed by pan. like they're not bad but they're just not pan

[slate zodiac]

yeah, I think Pan is way stronger.

FYI the argument is whether Artemis is better than Mel lol

[zenith bolt]

im inclined to think artemis is generally better

[slate zodiac]

^^

[sturdy meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-todo-aoi-todo-season-2-gif-13217221645957884603

[sturdy meteor]

oh okay is it something that i need any equipment for

[slate zodiac]

You could theoretically have insane uptime on DPS then because most of the time he's out of range of damage when he does his instakill. Noted for future reference, ty

[devout jungle]

you still want time slow on artemis to wait for the parry cooldown

[slate zodiac]

Your health bar

[sturdy meteor]

nvm just as i said that i got my first darkness lol

[earnest nacelle]

Yea it helps you not need to move away to dodge stuff that requires actual positioning

if you can just block it and continue dps

[zenith bolt]

i think just saving my bones for nightmare atp is the play

[sturdy meteor]

i wish i was joking as i made that sentence and went back to the game i got what i was looking for

[kind rover]

Another Chronos kill. Melinoe staff with Special boosting hammers is pretty fearsme and extremely safe

[tulip heath]

I can not seem to avoid Chronos' dash 98% of the damage I take in his fight is from it

[charred seal]

What boons did ya pick?

[oak falcon]

I tend not to use the parry too much. The channel speed lets me spam the omega attack on bosses way faster. I've found it faster to beat Hecate than with aspect of melinoe.

[jovial socket]

what does this mean? https://i.imgur.com/eM5nKnu.png is it just for flavour? or how often Selene shows up?

[kind rover]

Well ultimately I really ended up only using Heroic Omega cast from Zeus and Special from Zeus and Born Gain from Hera. It started as a Poseidon run, the game kept trying to force Hestia down my throat so I had to fight with basically nothing until I got born gain in the 3rd region.

[charred seal]

It influences Hecate, on full moon she gets a laser attack idk any other uses

[tired fulcrum]

Oh thats cool

Didnt know it was tied to the laser

[oak falcon]

It matters for the hex upgrades. You'll find rooms with a moon symbol later on which let you improve your hex

Full moon gives you more upgrades there

Wait that's not the Selene boon never mind me

[zenith bolt]

here goes nothing https://i.imgur.com/8SuYDab.png

[charred flame]

The hex offerings are random. I've gotten the heal one on full moon several times and that's the best imo. Cuz you get 5 upgrades and usually can get an extra use and bonus health

[warm rover]

so there are a ton of aspects....which ones do you all feel are the best?

[tired fulcrum]

Momus is broken

[oak falcon]

Momus on staff definitely. Pan on blades too.

[charred flame]

I think they all have different strengths and weaknesses

Hars to pick a best one. Feel like "easier" is a better metric

[jovial socket]

https://i.imgur.com/phGJKE7.png
how does armor affect this? is it only health damage, or any damage?

[slate zodiac]

I'm trying to max my main weapons (Than Axe, Pan Blades, Momus Staff) and max my Arcana before I save 1k per nightmare fishing gives a ton of bones fyi

[warm rover]

you still have to destroy armor same as any other enemy I guess

[charred flame]

Like medea skull is hard to use, but it hits so fricken hard and has super high mobility

Took me way too long to unlock the cat familiar. Can you get the dog? I can never find it

[warm rover]

far as I know....armor is it's own seperate category and is only affected by things that state armor damage

[wind lake]

the more i play the more i love apollo

100% backstab for free??? sign me up!!!!!

[slate zodiac]

Tbh, I think Mel Staff is very strong. The main issue is that it's mana reliant and certain fears really mess it up

For me it's a solid A tier vs Momus' S tier

[oak falcon]

I love Apollo on axe. So satisfying to hit a full room with each swing

[grand prism]

His duo makes hephestus's BONK do AoE. It's absurd

[warm rover]

apollo on axe is definitely goat

[fathom gate]

Yeah i was curious about that too. Hecate's familiar disappeared. So no clue

[charred seal]

Mana reliant more like Hera reliant

[sturdy meteor]

btw whats the best boon for melenoi's wand and omega attack

i dont think scorch would be that good
apollo is pretty decent
idk anything else tho

[wind lake]

im doing a special run rn because god above glorious chaos the almighty gifted be 101% special damage with the aspect staff that boosts special dmg

[grand prism]

Scorch is never good, unless you get a really good way to constantly proc the one that blows it up after a # of stacks.

[warm rover]

I love chaos sometimes those boons just completely break you lol

[charred seal]

For your mana needs? Hera. For the attack itself? Hera/Demeter/Poseidon/Zeus works for me.

[slate zodiac]

That's one of the reasons I wanna try Hera Mel Staff. I'm inclined to believe Mel Staff can go Omega Attack or Omega Special depending on your hammers/boons

[charred seal]

Also go Demeter for extra O buffs.

[sturdy meteor]

i got a baller buff that basically hammer where each special gives me 5 mana so im pretty set on mana

[slate zodiac]

I like Apollo and I think Hera is probably good too. Seems Hera is generally the best option though cuz the magick gen is kinda nuts

[charred seal]

Go Hera mana boon and you don't have to waste time doing specials.

[oak falcon]

I forget, what is heras magic regen boon?

[charred seal]

Also they drain more than they refund, it's basically a discount, not a refund.

[sterile portal]

does anyone have tips for using an axe omega attack build in the chronos fight? i like using omega attack with axe but since chronos isnt affected by the slowdown it makes the charge up a lot riskier, and chronos is still the only part of the game i struggle with rn

[charred seal]

When you're empty, you prime a bit and refill completely.

[wind lake]

just get down on your knees and pray to chaos for 70% mana reduction

[oak falcon]

Oh right. That boon with high rarity is disgusting

[wind lake]

easy as pie

[charred seal]

Or a singular damn pom

[sturdy meteor]

oh wait i misread the hammer , its on omega special i just thought regular special gave mana back

[slate zodiac]

I would like to state that I've never gotten two special hammers on Momus and still have never lost a single run. Momus is nuts

[charred seal]

That hammer is BAAAAD

[sturdy meteor]

RIP

[cedar eagle]

I usually go for omega special instead on axe, makes dealing w Chronos much easier and dodges his spins.

[wind lake]

if you can get all four knife specials it goes so hard

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah even when double moonshot doesnt want to show up its so braindead easy compared to anything else

[oak falcon]

I don't know if they need to nerf Momus or buff every other weapon aspect because it's so clearly ahead of the pack

[tired fulcrum]

Momus base damage is illegal

[sterile portal]

i have apollo on my special this run which seems pretty good, plus extra damage after blocking, so i might try that

[charred seal]

Is Momus really that good?

Oh it gives a massive damage boost on top of being brain-dead to use, ok yeah.

[cedar eagle]

thats great! apollo and hepha on omega special is just a great way to be able to play it safe. I got Chronos down with it today for the first time, and I only used two death defiances (one on accident lol)

[tired fulcrum]

Massive damage and braindead that sounds like the definition of really good

[charred seal]

True

[wind lake]

i hit a wall with chronos until somebody told me a trick to one of their attacks

Chronos has this really poorly telegraphed attack where they close in the field from all sides with a golden ring, but the darkened part outside the ring deals no damage compared to the other attack that looks similar and instakills you

[sterile portal]

i still only have one death defiance, in my past 12 or so runs ive gotten to chronos every time and lost to him. so i really wanna clobber him lol

i understand how melinoë feels now

[wind lake]

once i got told that i finished off chronos in the next run and then the run after that beat him with 50% hp no deaths

[tired fulcrum]

i thought for the longest time that you were supposed to stand in the center and not touch any of the expanding dark parts until it shrunk to a small circle and disappeared

[wind lake]

yeah i thought the exact same

[sterile portal]

really?? i saw that attack too and i was so confused

they should change that so its visually different from the other one so theres no confusion

[tired fulcrum]

Like the outside shouldnt be dark, it should just be a legit ring

[wind lake]

yeah only the one that instantly forms deals damage.

its so confusing

[charred seal]

Yeah, it's kinda confusing the first time.

[dawn cape]

I wish the axe special was more consistent at blocking things

[sterile portal]

he did that attack while also doing a circle of projectiles and summoning enemies so it was just basically undodgeable

[dawn cape]

What is the point of a blocking move if you're hard punished when you actually turn it into an attack

[wind lake]

i couldve killed chronos on my like 14th or 15th night if i knew that

[sterile portal]

it would be better if you could control when the block ends

with shield in 1 you could block for however long you wanted before you let go, this game it just does it automatically which messes you up

[wind lake]

its more skill based i think

it rewards you for better timing

[sterile portal]

i think it could still be skill based if you could hold it. because doing the attack still leaves you open for a pretty long time and takes a minute to come out

[dawn cape]

Also a wide variety of attacks are unblockable and the game doesn't tell you until you're hit by them

[wind lake]

rather than hades 1 which was an instant win button for a few bosses

[tired fulcrum]

If you spam tap it i think it still blocks

[dawn cape]

Because apparently your special should do nothing against the cyclops and his moveset of 5 different varieties of unblockable ground slam

[tall notch]

Axe special could use a rework. Make it a shield centred around perfect parries and it's gonna feel really powerful and unique

[mighty root]

first time getting Beach Ball, and it is just so much fun

[spare kite]

what's beach ball

[dawn cape]

Yeah I think having special not go off until you release it and making cyclops ground slams blockable would probably be enough

[wind lake]

i mean it makes sense the slams arent blockable

[sterile portal]

i think axe 3rd attack is wayyy too slow but that could be a skill issue

[wind lake]

blocking is for projectiles, when you block the projectile is destroyed

[tall notch]

The coolest thing I've done with that special so far is giving it the hammer that makes it charge up way faster and playing with it like a bow at very far range

[mighty root]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1237164681441837167/1238902420612845578/image.png?ex=6640f94a&is=663fa7ca&hm=d4503c7c769c06303c66fea8ebe9b8d36a7f4534c5ed2688830dae8a1e15db56&

[tall notch]

That attack isn't worth using, it's best to get out of the combo after using the first two from what i've seen

[sterile portal]

i just think you should have a choice to block for a while without using the omega special. same way i think you should be able to spam torch attack without it turning into omega attack

[spare kite]

hilarious

[rare brook]

How to make Melione itself stronger at the beginning so that maxed forced overtime vow will be possible?

[wind lake]

yeah i was a huge bow fan in hades 1, and witchy staff i play exactly like i played bow in hades 1 with omega primary

[mighty root]

Yeah, it basically turns the game into Shaolin Soccer

[tall notch]

With arcanas and aspects there are some very powerful builds you can make that come together early

[sterile portal]

i wish the staff special was a little stronger even if they made it slower to compensate. feels like a peashooter rn

[wind lake]

staff does great dmg wdym

[fringe mantle]

Welp, just tried a Hera build with the axe, man did that suck, just in general spinny axe sucks so bad vs Chronos it seems. Since every attack pushes you forward, and you kinda need to stand precicely in that fight. Lost 2 death defies due to omega attack pushing me into the insta kill zones...

[wind lake]

gotten it to 420x2 dmg before, seen 600x2

[sterile portal]

it does i guess but not when youre spamming special, but i guess thats the point lol

[wind lake]

im talking primary attack omega

both special and omega attack are good

[oak falcon]

Aspect of Momus special spam is the most busted strat in the game what?

[rare brook]

Momus aspect is the answer to the dmg

[wind lake]

thats what they are saying, everything but momus is weak damage

[oak falcon]

Honestly reducing its firing rate and increasing its damage would be a welcome nerf

[sterile portal]

dont have aspects yet :(

[warm rover]

how does giga moonburst work? is it a prime per every use or just once?

[wind lake]

poseidon special bonus is also really good for staff since its flat damage

[rare brook]

I would leave as it is, I like some easy and powerful combos

We need max fear to be possible like 64 heat in Hades 1

[wind lake]

some people have been struggling with the time trial onr

which is worrying

[rare brook]

No worries, try to unlock ||Tartarus|| and mine stuff to unlock last weapon, then you'll unlock aspects

[slate zodiac]

It's a 400% dmg increase on a very fast and spammable move. Slap Poseidon special and a million Poms and win

[slate zodiac]

Poseidon special is really good*

FTFY

[wind lake]

aprho special is the best. another 300% increase for epic levek 7

and it stacks multiplicatively, not additively, with momus

[devout jungle]

yh but you are missing out on aoe and having to be really close. its a big trade off for damage

[jovial socket]

i'

[rare brook]

On the other hand poseidon gives needed aoe

[jovial socket]

how do you get the cat companion? i've met it once early on, but not since then

[wind lake]

most bosses being close isntna huge issue, and aoe can be solved by hammer bounce

[devout jungle]

no issue for bosses true, but being hammer reliant is a terrible thing

[oak falcon]

It's in the entrance to the rift of thessaly

[rare brook]

mats to give to companions then surface after cyclop before entering ship

[jovial socket]

https://i.imgur.com/hmrclor.png

this?
i've had one extra saved all this time, but i dont think there's been an event to prompt it. Do you just have to find the cat on the map?

[oak falcon]

Yeah you find it in the start of the second surface zone

[rare brook]

Yes and give him delight

[maiden field]

hear me out, sickle and the thing,nova flourish,the backstab multiplier,the thing that takes the stuff you throw back is op, you throw a big projectile,goes there,comes back,does a backstab that deals lot of dmg

[jolly bramble]

gah. apollo atttack doesnt work with torch channel

[civic ocean]

To go even farther than this, play Momus with any % based boon, Huntress, Strength, and White Antler, take 1 HP increase and lower yourself to 16 HP. Congrats you now deal like 90+ damage with a 40% critical chance on a spammable ranged attack and you don't even have a hammer boon yet

Go Posiedon to deal with mobs with the special or dash and you're set

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1238920464504717473/image.png?ex=66410a18&is=663fb898&hm=c1ab451a980d5e96f14db5c1be620df9ab0d2d12611f79829d0da0c8db19db3a& the "remove the boons not taken" fear option is funny

[ember frigate]

the cat either appears in one of the healing fountains of erebus or when you beat the first boss on the surface (i dont know if she will spawn elsewhere)

[glad nova]

So uh, just won with the aspect of Persephone. Not thanks to glory though, lmao, the skull is just the most busted weapon, Imo.

Barely seen glory activate and realized too late when it did. Anyway, sent to feedback.

[ember frigate]

argent skull?

[civic ocean]

idk if im just dumb but I have a really hard time understanding when glory is active

[glad nova]

Yeh

[tired fulcrum]

The meter definitely charges too slowly

[glad nova]

Other aspects I havent used from other weapons might be better, but my damage with the special feels very strong.

[ember frigate]

also how and when will i be able to unlock aspects? (p.s i fought chronow twics and failed and died to ||eris|| once in surface)

[tired fulcrum]

Its either unlock all weapons or fight hecate with all weapons or idk

[civic ocean]

I got the aspects unlock at 25 nights or so I think it is have Hecate remark upon each weapon?.

[devout jungle]

you need all weapons unlocked and you get it after killing hecate (probably 10th time). definitely dont need to kill hecate with every weapon

[zenith bolt]

another king tide-less run, but another won run nonetheless https://i.imgur.com/w4Vqqka.jpeg

[spice crow]

where can i upload a video of what i think is a bug?

[ember frigate]

im at night 27, and definetly killed hecate more than 10 times (altough i think 5-10 nights were on the surface)

[zenith bolt]

momus staff is just insane + i keep getting the right hammers lol

honestly the instakill attacks make chronos phase 2 easier than phase 1 imo

[civic ocean]

do you have all 5 weapons unlocked?

[glad nova]

Beat Hecate with all weapons, then defeat her again with any weapon, giving you the incantation

[devout jungle]

100% dont need to kill her with every weapon

[ember frigate]

bassicly: i unlocked argent skull recently, (like 1-2 nights ago) and havent touched umbral flames (which was unlocked),
screw it ima try beating hecate with the umbral flames even though i kinda dislike it

[glad nova]

Then why it only happend when i did?

[devout jungle]

Correlation does not imply causation

[civic ocean]

you 100% get the incantation from Hecate

[devout jungle]

yep

[tired fulcrum]

Probably because you used each weapon against her when you unlocked them

[zenith bolt]

very nice very nice https://i.imgur.com/nDsyKnB.png

[mystic bison]

11 darkness bruh

[civic ocean]

oooh wow haven't seen that recipe before

[tired fulcrum]

Someone has visited chaos a lot

[zenith bolt]

i should be earning some frequent flier miles on chaos fr

[flat pulsar]

30 grasp of the arcana is max, right? I am at 29

[zenith bolt]

chaos is just generally really nice in this game

now i just need to level all these up... https://i.imgur.com/IAFjWlo.jpeg

[naive silo]

Chaos has some busted Numbers on its boons for sure

[tired fulcrum]

Chaos flourishes on momus

[bleak night]

whoops, was busy doing a run sorry. Hera and Demeter for Coarse Grit rush, but Hera and Hestia have been something I've been enjoying. As you charge your Omegas, the floor underneath you burns, and it eats up all the blue hearts the enemies have

[mystic bison]

I might as well prepare 3 shadow beforehand, so only the darkness rng remains

[flat pulsar]

wait you don't have "the seer" and "excellence", I assumed they are both must-have

[zenith bolt]

the seer is way too much cost to be worth going for and excellence is similar with just i dont have the grasp to spend on it

[glad nova]

that would make sense

[zenith bolt]

im still going back and forth on origination

but i will at least run it to chronos for the fated list

[flat pulsar]

what about removing unseen?

[zenith bolt]

something i forget to do when doing momus runs but yeah

[white vessel]

how do you make the skull weapon good

[devout jungle]

https://gyazo.com/3285ffe6a4079260a348527e908b3566?token=bbe5de3e16275c3149a25c555ee103f2 so this is where you get them renewable...

[zenith bolt]

i wonder if something like this is real for momus https://i.imgur.com/4LnLDar.jpeg

though tbh seer again is just not really worth it and i would rather get huntress and ignore divinity for this

[spice crow]

advancing whrilwind is bugged?

[earnest nacelle]

you don't even have to get the 2x moonshot for it to be busted, I had a 14 minute run with it without that hammer

[tired fulcrum]

You want the +30% in casts for the double dip

[zenith bolt]

yeah lol

[zenith bolt]

yea im thinking 4th row is just not doable, too much cost

[tired fulcrum]

Nah 4th row worth for momus

Who needs hp when you murder everything

[earnest nacelle]

I do this except with the 6 instead of 7

[devout jungle]

4th row is bad because you cant take +50% attack and special damage when not on full magick

[spare kite]

how good is pan + pos?

[zenith bolt]

yea thats what i was thinking, huntress is like really good and i dont know if i can justify not using it

[slate zodiac]

That... wasn't the question lol

Also wtf is Coarse Grit

[devout jungle]

huntress is crazy good, id never play without it

[tired fulcrum]

Huntress is only +15 damage on momus, youll get more damage from the rarity increases

[devout jungle]

ye but u get the rarity increase anyway with different arcanas

[tired fulcrum]

Itll mostly help at the start of the run ig

[devout jungle]

its not like you give that up

[zenith bolt]

the real brain here is just stop thinking and take titan eternity furies judgment

[tired fulcrum]

Actually i forget how much epic chance you get

[zenith bolt]

or like titan eternity excellence judgment

[zenith bolt]

+20% from divinity

[devout jungle]

20 i believe, in a run tho rn ;-;

[plucky inlet]

which one is momus

[bleak night]

oh, sorry. Hera's pretty good with Axe for sure, but I found it being decent on Skull builds as well. I find it useful on Staff if you put it on Attack, that way you can apply it long range via Omega

[zenith bolt]

https://i.imgur.com/dUxYn9x.png

[tired fulcrum]

But like heroic poseidon special is just free win button. ig its just trading high roll potential for consistency

[bleak night]

the broken boon that requires 6 earth to activate

[plucky inlet]

oh, meh

[bleak night]

that's not meh, trust me

[zenith bolt]

i wonder if judgment with artificer is real or not

[tired fulcrum]

I dont like artificer

[plucky inlet]

im not desperately in need for health usually

[tired fulcrum]

If it affected doors automatically like dark foresight itd be way better

[devout jungle]

u dont get it for health

[bleak night]

not many use it for the heal

[zenith bolt]

i also wonder if taking off death defiances is fine w/ judgment bc im only ever spending them on chronos anyway (if i ever spend them on chronos)

[tired fulcrum]

Momus heals? /s

[bleak night]

you get it so your 10 base damage special spam becomes 40 damage instead

[earnest nacelle]

the heal is irrelevant lol

[zenith bolt]

momus is generally used for the "it quadruples your dps" feature

[bleak night]

it will literally come out like a machine gun

[earnest nacelle]

I haven't used omega special on momus once

[plucky inlet]

oh i see

[tired fulcrum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1217110523091357747/1238737382165970986/image.png?ex=66405f96&is=663f0e16&hm=2feb49b0662c73dbb26862042e17b4b944c11819aee1a98880cf3635a62f6bf4& ik chaos flourish but almost 100k special damage

[plucky inlet]

ill just stick to the axe

[rare brook]

Sometimes I use it on the wall after fight to get 50%+ HP

[earnest nacelle]

I don't usually get below 50% hp using it to begin with

[zenith bolt]

my last run was 171k special, 116k poseidon, 50k static shock, 40k spirit surge

[devout jungle]

@zenith bolt https://gyazo.com/09737ea46be54a8f0cb5c95bbc59007a i have this for no momus

[bleak night]

We really need to just have preset loadouts that we can rename

[zenith bolt]

yea this is the conclusion i came to, basically just the same general setup that always works but you switch unseen to excellence

[devout jungle]

YES

[bleak night]

that way we don't need to manually keep doing this

[zenith bolt]

https://i.imgur.com/qS4cAWS.png ok so they go away after you clear 20 on them. makes sense

[devout jungle]

yeah, mana regen is only really necessairy once you use a lot of it on tougher enemies or big bosses, where you prolly get it anyway

[bleak night]

yeah, mine only have two weapons left on them

[zenith bolt]

skull and torches i presume

[bleak night]

yep

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1238927106679771230/image.png?ex=66411048&is=663fbec8&hm=48498bb932bb84f913dd5617edc757746bcac48e3d2d26ae4ab3261184e4e71f&

[devout jungle]

how would build ur arcanas with strength for momus? xd

[sterile portal]

https://imgur.com/3Oq1UlG

if i dont win this run im garbage. please i just want to beat him once

[zenith bolt]

with strength? switch excellence for strength

[sterile portal]

(im not going to win this run)

[devout jungle]

that hurts...

[oak falcon]

A single special on momus deals as much damage as the first hit of the axe. That's honestly wild

[zenith bolt]

like i guess you could also ball and just drop divinity instead by getting rid of death and something else

[stoic ridge]

anyone know what bugs they fixed in the small patches they put out?

[covert ice]

whats the point of using circe's keepsake, when do you use it

[orchid fog]

are there any familiar candidates on the surface levels?

[zenith bolt]

no idea because it's garbage

1 whole arcana card, yippee...

[devout jungle]

https://gyazo.com/71cb31a5c2ed9f16f5733292f46e60ca maybe like this?

[zenith bolt]

and not even immediately, you have to beat a boss for it and like it's hard to justify circe keepsake over god god hammer odysseus or something

[bleak night]

When I first got that thing, I was excited because I thought it'd upgrade to 3 Arcana cards after a guardian fight

[covert ice]

and its removed if unequipped right?

[zenith bolt]

ikr 😔

[oak falcon]

It's pretty bad ngl

[bleak night]

what does Odysseus' do again? I forget

[zenith bolt]

the next boss loses 15% of its health immediately, and you take -15% damage from all bosses

[bleak night]

ah, alright

[shell swan]

I wonder if Odysseus is better than skele vs chronos

[stoic ridge]

that could be really good for speedruns

[bleak night]

speaking of which, I should probably die to Chronos so that keepsake that allows me to do more damage stops targetting Eris

[zenith bolt]

odyseeus probably better if you're not getting hit as often

[spare kite]

the green sheeps in the poly fight are annoying

[shell swan]

I feel like no because it actually only is 7.5% health immediately bc chronos has 2 phases

[copper wren]

my brain is small so forgive me but, does this mean things like close-up bonus dmg from aphrodite now work at any range? https://imgur.com/a/cGihz7i

[zenith bolt]

what does evil eye rank 3 have for damage boost

[oak falcon]

-15% health on chronos could be pretty good. Though I don't think it would be better than chronos

[spare kite]

yes

[stoic ridge]

they should let us kill the sheep in the poly fight, they are incredibly annoying

[zenith bolt]

i really wish it was made more clear how damage boosts stack

[bleak night]

does that -15% instantly apply btw ?

[oak falcon]

30%

[bleak night]

because I'm thinking if it does then the blue heart might just eat that up

[zenith bolt]

theres a delay similar to how hades' thing works

[bleak night]

ah, so you have a tiny bit to get it out of the way, gotcha

I already maxed out all my keepsakes btw, should I just list what the final values are on them all ?

[warm rover]

is there a spot for the glory meter with the aspect of persephone?

[zenith bolt]

bottom left above your death defiances

[shell swan]

I have literally no idea what is going on with the sheep in the poly fight, I thought they were just there for poly to eat, but I guess they change bc one run the sheep had horns instead and I legit took like 30 damage to the sheep bc I had no idea what was happening

[bleak night]

it's right next to your ammo

[zenith bolt]

horned sheep is literally the toughest enemy in this game

[bleak night]

the circle

[zenith bolt]

i swear i take more damage from it than i do from poly

[warm rover]

ahh

[zenith bolt]

and that level of rng with poly sheep spawns is like incredibly infuriating

[earnest nacelle]

Yea I kept taking damage from it cus I don't register it as an enemy lmao

[spare kite]

you forget about the sheep for one second and next thing you know is that they are all on you

[jade cairn]

I can't beat cronus. I beaten hades in at least once on my second day. But cronus is too hard.

I lose to cronus again

[stoic ridge]

chronos is harder at first cause his attacks can seem less predictable at times and his second phase gets incredibly spammy

[bleak night]

been using this one for a lot of weapons during the final fights https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1238929032939180153/image.png?ex=66411213&is=663fc093&hm=85d16afbe5a4c5f1e2d9352cf1fd994c8cce57272458703cde954d16b159acd5

[oak falcon]

I take significantly more damage from the sheep than from Polyphemus in that fight. It can combo you for 24 damage easily

[white steppe]

why does mel switch to like a 60% deeper pitch after circe's growth spell lmao she didnt even gain that much height

[zenith bolt]

honestly i find phase 2 easier than phase 1 atp

instakills are good breathers/damage openings

[jade cairn]

I didnt even manage to knock it out in his first phase

[sterile portal]

not a big fan of this guy

[oak falcon]

He also doesn't spam his scythe attacks as much in phase 2

[earnest nacelle]

yea once you get used to phase 2 stuff it's easier than phase 1

[sterile portal]

i hate chronos so much

[orchid fog]

I wanted to see if I could make the cat in the erebus rest room a familiar and it didn't show up... is it not guaranteed?

[zenith bolt]

the hardest part of phase 2 is the stupid hourglass summons

[earnest nacelle]

mostly cus the scythe attack telegraph is hard but phase 2 telegraphs are clear

[zenith bolt]

it moves to the rift of thessaly docks after some time

[bleak night]

it's funny because I never lose dds in phase 1, but I start playing like a monkey and taking heavy damage in phase 2

[sterile portal]

the hitbox for his one shot move lingered longer than i thought

[zenith bolt]

me fr

[bleak night]

I just can't help it ig

[shell swan]

You can kill the hourglass pretty easily as they spawn during chronos phase 2, if you have low dps build though idk

[jade cairn]

Cronus is such a tank. And his hit really hurts, is there a way to counter this.

[bleak night]

are you dying to the 900 damage thing

[jade cairn]

No im dying is phase one

[earnest nacelle]

he's still in phase 1

[bleak night]

oh

[thin lantern]

So I keep being reminded that there are ways to completely invalidate some fears.
Hephaestus' armor boon literally just cancels the x% more damage on the first hit thing

[bleak night]

I just sprint around like a maniac during phase 1 most of the time

[zenith bolt]

phase 1, over 50% hp
phase 1, under 50% hp

phase 2, over 50% hp
phase 2, under 50% hp

[earnest nacelle]

yea armor's broken

[jade cairn]

I go for the staff with long range boon lvl 7 but still his life wont budge that much. And his attacks just knock off 1/3 of my life

[sterile portal]

im at a point now where the game is pretty easy up until chronos but i just cannot for the life of me beat chronos and its really frustrating

[jade cairn]

Under 50 phase 1

[thin lantern]

There's also some other stuff, like, Hera's magick boon just negates the start at 0 magick fear

[sterile portal]

is surface harder than underworld? or are they around the same difficulty

[stoic ridge]

most of my runs show enemies damaging me for like 20 in second place, then first place is chronos with 250 damage

[earnest nacelle]

yea it basically becomes 'prime low amt of magick' lol

[bleak night]

play a different weapon and see if the playstyle can help you with damage-dealing

[earnest nacelle]

I wonder if the scar vow is additive with aphro boon?

oh wait it's healing, I thought it's max hp

[bleak night]

also, I just realized that not a lot of people take Arcana XI (Swift Runner) ?

[rich verge]

I think surface is easier

[thin lantern]

also skulls do an ungodly amount of damage lmao

[flat pulsar]

I do, but I am thinking of switching it out

[shell swan]

Surface seems way to than me(though poly is kinda ridiculous for a first boss compared to hectate), mostly because underground has all 4 areas while surface only has 2, making surface way shorter with no real final boss

[zenith bolt]

i have mixed feeling about it because like if i had 1 more grasp, i would 100% take it, but i just dont have the space for it with what i grab

[jade cairn]

I played hades 1 before, and for any weapon, i can see that if my attack boon is level 5 or higher i can def win. But i can't get close to cronus right now, his attack is too much

[bleak night]

It matches my playstyle a lot, so I'm going to keep it on my loadout for now

[flat pulsar]

can you share your arcana page?

[zenith bolt]

if i give up origination, i have 2 wasted grasp that i can't spend on anything
if i give up sorceress or death, i lose divinity
https://i.imgur.com/kNKZANW.jpeg
clearly this means i should become a based judgment enjoyer

[violet pebble]

When using aspect of Charon, do glorious disaster/torrential downpour trigger off the omega slam casts?

[bleak night]

Best learn the attack patterns for now and then deal with it accordingly. If your weapon doesn't do as much, the build might not have sustainable DPS or lacks support to make it stronger

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1238930840562438144/image.png?ex=664113c2&is=663fc242&hm=0b69484f68f47aae992b764214f4e4baa8ccb9d0c5c84ab06973aa5725a84941

Been consistently running 32 heat runs with either page

[jade cairn]

How to know if my built is good. Is certain things i need to prio

[thin lantern]

The hard part is running to upgrade arcana.

[zenith bolt]

what fears do you take?

[bleak night]

What was your build ?

[jade cairn]

Staff
Level 7 special
Armor 20
Cast scorch 60 damage

Level 5 attack

With lucky tooth and 2 df

[slate zodiac]

Imagine thinking you use Monus for omega special

[bleak night]

I swap it out depending on what I'm using. Whenever I'm running Axe, I will boost up enemy attack damage, spawnrate, HP, etc, but I'll turn off revenant because I'm too slow to deal with enemies + run at revenants. If I'm using Staff or Skull, I'll turn off enemy speed, but turn on Revenants so I can have breathing room, etc. Besides that, I have 10 mana primed per boon above rare on at all times, my timer is at 7 minutes, a few more

[bleak night]

What boon was the Special ? Was it also scorch ?

[zenith bolt]

do you take forsaking? im thinking it's decently real option

[stoic ridge]

i got a chronos kill with hephestus attack at level 8 so it had a cooldown of 2 seconds

[zenith bolt]

cuz like you could force legendaries with it given rerolls and decent rng

[jade cairn]

No it was zeus for special and attack. Scorch for boon

[bleak night]

It's definitely good to take if you're not going for Infusion builds, yeah

[rich verge]

The key to win is using more cast and keep running

[thin lantern]

Huh. Actually. Is it just me or does Eris get easier and easier the more aggressively you play?

[stoic ridge]

stay behind her and you win

[oak falcon]

If you can stay behind her she can't do much to you

[sterile portal]

how do you guys use the twin blades omega attack? it seems kind of not that useful to me

[jade cairn]

I saw someone said this too. Just spam cast on cronos and run. Make sure the cast is the highest one.

[thin lantern]

I'm bad and my arcanas are not upgraded much, and I'm just leveling keepsakes, but I just absolutely crushed Eris on a fear 12 pass with mel skulls. yeah, stay behind her and that's 90% of the effect of soot sprint

[bleak night]

if you wanna run staff again, I suggest trying to use Zeus cast instead of Scorching Cast, then having Demeter on there somewhere

[jade cairn]

Ok ill try that.

[bleak night]

I just ran this on staff earlier so I can clear out my testaments https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1238931896985981109/image.png?ex=664114be&is=663fc33e&hm=6ca4fbab01749f105b22d2c3aa3a4685faced827676ec8975a47f0f837ebb20d&

[zenith bolt]

max heal reduction?

[bleak night]

Yep, I'm playing 30 HP White Antler Momus

[zenith bolt]

wow

[jade cairn]

I think i may be early to this game cause i just unlock the surface and arcana upgrade.

Haven't tried surface yet

[bitter rover]

I think they're close, surface feels a little harder to me but also goes faster, underworld feels easier but takes longer for me

[jade cairn]

Out of curiosity how many times do i have to beat cronos for the story to end? In hades 1, we all know it.

[sterile portal]

was mostly just asking if it seemed like surface was intended to be harder or theyre meant to be more equal in difficulty. seems like the latter

[obtuse roost]

Can someone explain the aspect of Artemis to me? I don't understand its point

[sterile portal]

the ending probably isnt done yet i dont think

[stoic ridge]

gaurenteed crits

[shell swan]

Ending isnt implemented in early access yet

[oak falcon]

You can spam omega attacks like nothing else

[rich verge]

Surface’s enemy is easier to cope with to me, I don’t take much damage from surface enemy

[bleak night]

meanwhile I'd run maybe this on Axe, perhaps swap out 3 fear on other areas to increase Fury to 40% https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1238932750568919133/image.png?ex=66411589&is=663fc409&hm=6bbda39b91ababc561f4bd0546230b6efb645c3de4d8c0a0e11f6efb7f531e00

[obtuse roost]

I have it unupgraded tbf, 30% seems bad, how high does it get?

[spare kite]

oh yeah what are the pre reqs for king tide?

[zenith bolt]

wave strike/flourish + slippery slope + crashing wave

[spare kite]

ty

[solemn thunder]

How do I get aspect of Medea to explode? It says “on impact” but running into Skelly while they’re up doesn’t do it, and specialing doesn’t either

[white steppe]

bro why did i pick salvo this sucks is there some redeeming hammer for it

[thin lantern]

salvo is great with omega

[white steppe]

rail didnt make you pick the rockets back up

also for extremely close range cause otherwise they're too spread

[zenith bolt]

yea unfortunately a certain someone took the rail

[bleak night]

I might turn down my Fear so I can start doing goofy builds in order to complete this prophecy. Any of these unmarked duos fun ? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1238933702726127797/image.png?ex=6641166d&is=663fc4ed&hm=2f70ff438ec3bb7d9db327dcb80f12ce17dee3401fe48e9e5a551306f776f4f1& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1238933703233634384/image.png?ex=6641166d&is=663fc4ed&hm=7875474334cb5b36fc4cd426dbdfd3fab70cfbb83cf2deffd2577a2d08e10de5&

[white steppe]

ive done master conductor on like a regular twin blades build w poseidon zeus and heph, it gives chain lightning something to do on guardians

[thin lantern]

Also, Narcissus is surprisingly... really strong. Damn.

[bleak night]

wdym, do you fight him ?

[thin lantern]

The keepsake.

[tired fulcrum]

Aint it pretty rng

[zenith bolt]

romantic spark: if you sprint into blitz-afflicted foes, the effect activates immediately and is stronger (+200% damage)

sun worshiper: in each encounter, the first foe you slay returns to fight for you (+200% damage on their attacks)

seismic hammer: your omega cast occasionally creates a blast that deals 500 damage in an area (15s recharge time)

these seem neat

[shell swan]

You can force it on the boon you want with rerolls if you do god boon area 1, narcissus area 2

[rich verge]

In comparison with hades I, do you guys think hades ii doesn’t have “strong build”?

[zenith bolt]

❌

[stoic ridge]

poseidon staff special

[tired fulcrum]

Oh narcissus keepsake has a pom menu basically?

[rich verge]

Boons are not that strong in hades II i think

[tired fulcrum]

Momus splish splash build is broken idk what else comes close

[shell swan]

No, you need to avoid most god boons or reroll till you get a rare so that the boon you want to heroify is the only common

[tired fulcrum]

Oh

Seems janky ngl

[shell swan]

You can still pick 1 other boon from the god you have the god boon from bc rarify and minis bc those are safe

And it’s only for the first area

[tired fulcrum]

Ig helps that erebus rooms are half minor finds

[rich verge]

Hades II has the list of boons like hade I ?

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah, need to get all god keepsakes then youll unlock an incant or something

[rich verge]

I see, ty

[fickle night]

Any tips for ||Polyphemus||?

[stoic ridge]

i just realized zeus cast builds up aspect of thanatos crit meter

[shell swan]

When poly says like I’m looking for you or something, if you dont attack him while he’s looking for you, he won’t do the rock throw attack

You can still choose to just attack him anyway for the extra damage if you are confident in dodging the rock throw, but I find it one of the hardest attacks to dodge

[kind rover]

Another Chronos win. Axe special is no joke, but the common trend here really is just Born Gain. It's so busted.

[rich verge]

Axe is really a strong weapon

[ember frigate]

what aspect do you guuys reccomend for me to unlock and upgrade first? (didn't beat chronos yet)

[rich verge]

Omega attack and special are gooooood

[spare kite]

oh

[kind rover]

What is the last element in the menu? The pink one? Chaos?

[tired fulcrum]

Duos iirc

[rich verge]

My first win is original aspect of double blade, but most of the damage is dealt by cast

[kind rover]

Oh interesting

[shell swan]

I think duos and infusions

[orchid fog]

am I required to give my first familiar contract to the frog?

[kind rover]

I don't think so, but there are only 2 in EA right now anyway

[orchid fog]

I can't find the cat anymore so

[kind rover]

I think the cat might go to the surface after a few encounters

[ember frigate]

if you unlocked the surface, try beating the first boss,

[orchid fog]

Okay

[tame rivet]

I really gave my best in trying and warming up with the axe but I keep getting so many hits... Any tips? Especially how to use the special effectively.. So far I just try to hit as fast as possible

[plucky inlet]

just be more patient

[green jewel]

I found I need to treat this more like a bullet hell and save my dashes. Especially with the axe. Just try to be a little more methodical

And the Melinoe aspect increases special and attack speed and that helps it a lot

[rich verge]

Dashes after attack (in attack anticipation)

[tame rivet]

Yeah upgrading the mel aspect was my first action before even picking it up.

[green jewel]

I mostly use the special as a big bomb because I’m not the best at timing the block

[willow phoenix]

Melinoe staff is a pretty safe bet, it's easy to upgrade and you can spam omega moves with it. My first win is with artemis daggers though, just insane damage

[cerulean bay]

I am also not patient enough with axe, I ate so much damage from cerb for example because I was trying to squeeze attacks in spaces they didn't fit.

[ember frigate]

ty

[tame rivet]

Okay so i really need to learn my patience with the axe.. Thanks guys

[green jewel]

I never feel like I do enough damage with the staff. Sister blades always seem like a safe bet to me

[rich verge]

Also, use cast more

[ember frigate]

not sure if its a good idea for me to try and use artemis daggers since i might accidently skip some cutscenes like || chronos talking to hades bout location of the fates||

[rich verge]

Use cast so you have time to attack

[tame rivet]

Yeah i feel most comfortable with the staff too. The daggers felt nice at first but with some enemies it's just so hard because you immediatly get punished for trying to get close

[willow phoenix]

They don't comment about the aspects at all so far, only hecate comments about it.

[bleak night]

Oooh, I can probably help. Do you use the whirlwind a lot ?

[tame rivet]

I tried but it feels like i get stuck in the animation and get hurt? I'm not invulnerable during it right?

[ember frigate]

i meant... when you lose to chronos a 2nd time a flashback cutscene plays

[bleak night]

ah, that makes sense. You don't have to charge it all the way up, though. It's basically 1 swing at 10 mp, 2 swings at 11, and so on it goes. You can dash in the middle of it all to cancel the animation and move on, as well

Another trick is that if you and your target are separated by some debris, you will still hit them with your whirl if they're close enough

[willow phoenix]

Oh, no flashbacks anymore after that for me. I dont think something as important as flashbacks will be skipped in the game

[cerulean bay]

The hitbox on it is massive

[tame rivet]

Oh i didn't know I could dash out of it. Will keep that in mind. Thanks for the tips.

[tulip heath]

I'm starting to think I don't understand this game, 50 nights and still can't beat Chronos

[bleak night]

another tip I have for you is to make a beeline for Apollo Attack, it almost doubles the reach of your attacks and whirlwind, so it's a lot less dangerous for you to start whirling, since you don't need to be so close

you can mix this with Demeter freeze (cast preferable)

[tame rivet]

Oh right. So far i tried to focus on Demeter since i really like her freeze but yeah apollo on attack makes more sense.

[cerulean bay]

How many chronos attempts? How much health when you get to chronos.

You might just not understand chronos

[tame rivet]

Dw i got around the same nights and didn't even get past cerberus once ha.. Ha..

[steel walrus]

whats some good casts?

[bleak night]

as for the shielding special, if you're not going to do fully charged blasts (there's an Axe aspect that particularly wants this, but not the base one) then try to tap your shield instead so you can get into the rhythm of parrying attacks and then dropping the shield for a literal 0-downtime parry

[tulip heath]

that has to be it, about 10 trys(?) last time I was a full health with 5 DDs 😭

[bleak night]

you can also stick Demeter or Hephaestus on this shield so you're encouraged to use it defensively AND offensively

because it's always funny to tap a button and instantly freeze your target or deal 300+ damage

[tame rivet]

Are there any attacks where it's better or not useful at all to block? Like only ranged ones or something? I feel like i neglect the special completely

[willow phoenix]

I find having a lot of burst damage makes chronos easier, compared to consistent hitting. Like having a cast build or a far range omega build makes things so much easier. You really can't be that greedy vs him. It's different than say hades 1 where you can just dash through everything with ease

[tulip heath]

I can make to Chronos almost everytime now, Eris is a breeze, Chronos feels like a diffrent game

[bleak night]

It's good to get into the rhythm of blocking on shield, but I think it's safe to say that you can just control your movement while you're spinning to ensure everything in the vicinity is taking hits and getting staggered, so they don't have the time to take potshots at you

[rich verge]

There is a fast charge hammer, would you recommend that?

[cerulean bay]

Probably a chronos specific issue then. Otherwise you wouldn't be getting to him reliably.

[bleak night]

It's good to have, yes

It's not a priority, but if Psychic Whirlwind isn't on there then you can go for other things

[zenith bolt]

i understood eris and then i put on +20% speed and i need to relearn her

[bleak night]

I gotta say though, don't get Advancing Whirlwind, it completely removes your ability to dash while spinning, so you'll just be stuck doing a beyblade animation for no reason

[zenith bolt]

speed has such a large impact on her like shotgun is just die

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1238942334045913138/image.png?ex=66411e76&is=663fccf6&hm=40b5c9b01155b02f3da3946e26fee57ed4ba53d71e240857996954ef51829407& weeeeeeeeeeeee

[tame rivet]

Alrighty. Thanks for the tips will try to give the axe another chance now

[cerulean bay]

I got stuck on Scylla for a bit, then almost made it to chronos first time I beat her, you'll work chronos out soon.

[willow phoenix]

20% speed is just insane in general, makes the game so much harder. Never picked that up even in hades 1

[zenith bolt]

40% speed is insane, 20% is fine in most cases i think

[bleak night]

Feel free to lmk if you have any other questions regarding it

[knotty fulcrum]

Hello. So is thanathos aspect better than mel? On axe

[civic ocean]

going to try and get to 40% over time

[tall notch]

Than aspect is a cast weapon in disguise

[knotty fulcrum]

what. I think you mix up than and the other one. than give +1% crit if you hit your omega moves

[civic ocean]

critting on casts is probably really good

[tall notch]

Yes, I know. Have you seen its interaction with Zeus cast?

[knotty fulcrum]

no

[bleak night]

Yes

[tall notch]

You get 1% per lightning bolt

[lunar valley]

Every weapon is a cast weapon. Cast builds are way too fun

[knotty fulcrum]

But if you just spin doesn't the crit increase almost as fast?

[civic ocean]

why cant u do both

[warm kindle]

Is it just me or is the skull way stronger than all the other weapons

[orchid fog]

so I just unlocked the Argent Skull and it seems really jank should I even try?

[split igloo]

best momus hammers?

[warm kindle]

The others feel pretty weak in comparison

[orchid fog]

LMAO

[bleak night]

Anything for base Special

[lunar valley]

Other weapons can be stronger but the skull has nuking potential

[knotty fulcrum]

I guess. I ussualy preffer demeter cast since it can aply 2 diferent statuse efects. And I don't really bother to use omega cast

[warm kindle]

Man I promise the skull just nukes everything

[bleak night]

Skull is fun, yeah

[tall notch]

Casting is way safer, gives you bonus from the arcana that boosts damage inside of casts and you can do other stuff while the cast is doing its thing

[maiden magnet]

so what is everyones opinion on Hera and Selene? i havent had much use for hexes other than moon water, and hera i havent played with enough to understand the hitch mechanic

[split igloo]

so rapid moonfire is good for it then?

[lunar valley]

Skull is fun but other weapons are safer

[knotty fulcrum]

Might give it try depending on what boons I get this run

[warm kindle]

ARE THEY REALLY
It feels like the special especially on persephone aspect is just super safe overall

[civic ocean]

Hera gives juicy % dmg increases

[bleak night]

If the Double Special one isn't there, then that one is a good choice

[warm kindle]

The special makes you invincible

[knotty fulcrum]

@bleak night could you tell me what other boons I should get if I want an axe run with apollo on attack?

[warm kindle]

Also hera feels like the strongest God right now

Not sure about that but she's pretty ridiculous

[lunar valley]

Try momos or any cast build

[steel walrus]

i just don't understand how Hera works really

[lunar valley]

Hera is my new favourite god

[bleak night]

You're using mana up for spins, right ?

[analog notch]

Guys can anyone explain how scorch works ? there is a scorch damage of 15 and a curse damage of 40 ?

[knotty fulcrum]

mana up?

[warm kindle]

It just makes enemies take partial damage when they have the effect from other enemies

[bleak night]

You're spinning a lot, right ?

[knotty fulcrum]

Ah yes

[warm kindle]

If you have aoe this just destroys

[bleak night]

Go Aphrodite and try to find the Hearthrob boon, then go for the Aphro-Apollo duo

[spare kite]

some of the chaos trials are so funny

[bleak night]

It's really good on Axe builds

[warm kindle]

Part of the reason I think the skull is so strong is hera in the first place
Getting it on the special makes Omega special just a screen wipe

[knotty fulcrum]

what does it do? the duo i mean

[bleak night]

Hearthrobs are orbs that surround you and detonate on the targets that touch it for about 250+ damage. They appear after about 30 mana is used in total, for a total of 4 orbs. The duo allows 6, so you can stack the orbs while waiting for the boss to be safe to hit, etc

[knotty fulcrum]

Ok thanks

[tired fulcrum]

Scorch damage is 'stacks of scorch' and these are converted at a rate of 40 per second into damage. So lets you say you have an attack that does 80 scorch damage, itll apply 80 scorch stacks which take 2 seconds for all the damage to apply

[knotty fulcrum]

Also should I try to block or is it not that usefull

[dawn moat]

today i discovered that apollo's legendary boon is hilarious

[white steppe]

apollo's legendary on skulls is sick

[bleak night]

Good to get into it, but if you aren't attuned to it entirely, you can dash away from harder to block stuff, then just block the easier ones to get an easier feel

[bleak night]

Pretty much

Should I post that Apollo spam Skull build I had

[dawn moat]

i got it while using the axe and was consistently dealing 2000+ damage every whirlwind... unfortunately not enough to compensate for my skill issue

[eternal thunder]

What are some good builds for the blades?

[analog notch]

ahh i see so fast attacks are not that good with scorch since it takes a lot of time for the damage to happen did i understand that right?

[spark plover]

anyone knows what the small markers on the health bar actually are?

[knotty fulcrum]

What does the boosted weapon do extra again? Like the weapon with some fog around it when you pick it

[bleak night]

Boosted weapon ?

[sterile portal]

surely i win this one
https://imgur.com/3f7pixu

[knotty fulcrum]

in hades 1 it was giving extra darkness

[tired fulcrum]

Well more like its just a bad status effect lol, its flat damage so it want fast attacks, but it has a damage cap so it doesnt really work

[analog notch]

it gives you bones for every location u clear

[knotty fulcrum]

thanks

[analog notch]

I see. Thanks for the explanation !

[white steppe]

do skulls have an equivalent of delta chamber for the rail

[wet nova]

You mean so you don’t have to pick skulls up?

[white steppe]

yea

[earnest nacelle]

yes

[tired fulcrum]

Closest thing is a hammer that makes them return but it makes your ammo count 2 and i assume its not that fast

[wet nova]

There’s a hammer that brings them back to you which is -1 skull tho

[earnest nacelle]

it's not super fast yea

[wet nova]

It’s fairly fast but not enough to keep spamming basically

[earnest nacelle]

if you get that and the + 2 skulls hammer maybe

[dawn moat]

has anyone had much success with aspect of medea skull? seems super awkward to use properly

[wet nova]

Your best bet is the one that shoots them all at once, then just go pick ‘em up sinx they’ll be in one location

[earnest nacelle]

Medea's okay, I just ran aphro attack/special and rammed into enemies with attackx3 into omega special

[white steppe]

I feel like I know where people are coming from where they complain about eris btw, i think that fight goes way differently depending on how much eris decides to spam the shotgun

every other attack is okay but that thing is really annoying

[wet nova]

eris you suffer from being ranged, melee can more easily go to her back, it also depends on her map position

[willow phoenix]

What are your favorite torch builds? I decided to experiment on torches a bit, the eos aspect seems pretty promising but I saw a lot of people saying the beyblade build with default aspect is good.

[stoic ridge]

i kinda cheesed my torch build with hephestus on attack at level 8

[wind lake]

does the aspect of pan just give you more special blades period? it seems to always work regardless of channeling, unless its just a training area thing

[wet nova]

only when channeling

and it takes longer to channel all since it does it one by one basically

[wind lake]

ah it means channeling your special, thought it meant channeling your cast

[wintry saddle]

Eris become walk in the park if you get Hestia sprint boon.

[white steppe]

mentioning eris into somebody else mentioning hestia sprint is like the new marco polo

[willow phoenix]

Hestia sprint really allows you to understand the eris fight more though, made any following fights easier. Now I know I just have to keep my distance and protect my pillars lol

[wet nova]

my first like 10 times I beat her didnt even know hestia sprint was a thing for her lol, but at least Ik if I need to farm g apples can use it

[wintry saddle]

Sorry, i didn't mean to. There's too much messages to see.

[glad nova]

Is anyone else getting a bug that basically stops you from moving after unturning from the hex that turns you invunerable? Really annoying

Recommend people to avoid getting that one for now until that is fixed

[sturdy meteor]

btw what are some good recs for pan aspect build ? i assume hera on cast ?

[knotty fulcrum]

isn't hera's cast kinda bad? I find demeter's cast quite good and also hephasteus attack works well since you use special more

[stoic ridge]

hera cast lasts too long

[cursive knot]

I felt like almost anything would work if you get the right hammers tbh

[sturdy meteor]

yeah , but it affects all enemies so it might be useful since your special will hit everything with the same damage right

[lofty anchor]

Is it the bug where you get stuck facing the same direction you last attacked in, and can no longer do some interactions?

[cursive knot]

Not being able to reposition cast feels really bad imo

[glad nova]

Hm... No, dont think so, Mel can rotate in this one and dash(but not sprint), and also choose to go to the next room, making it technically not a soft look

[cursive knot]

Would rather have no cast than heras most of the time

[mystic bison]

Scorch on the knives any good?

[lofty anchor]

Interesting. I had a different bug from that Hex, where some combo of moves while entering or leaving that hex was breaking Glowing Coals so I couldn't aim the cast properly anymore. And another bug where Mel was stuck facing one way and could still move and attack, but not special nor interact. I fixed that last one by gifting and it reset her state.

[wet nova]

It’s good for axe spin technically since by the time the spin charges the circle goes normal out

[wet nova]

Scorch isn’t really good at all

On cast it’s nice if you can somehow have a Poseidon attack/special with the duo boon

Then you get perma steam on enemies which does do decent damage alongside the burn

[mystic bison]

I've still yet to experiment with the duos cause I haven't unlocked the boon codex yet

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229078264811618305/1238954211950071878/image.png?ex=66412986&is=663fd806&hm=156cb216cd81d8769da003f082c4bc2b6c423fc757e22992a377d84317e2e5dd& I took the curse one chamber prior to this

[willow phoenix]

What is this momus poseidon special build I keep hearing about, my first impression of momus was pretty weak.

[lofty anchor]

Last few runs where I got to Chronos involved Apollo's cast boons of expanding the size and calling down sun blasts when it expires, combined with Demeter's cyclone for extra damage and Hermes for decreasing the cast cost. Anything caught within would get melted.

[hot citrus]

hestia scorch on torches special is so nice

[cursive knot]

Nah its kinda broken. poseidon on special, hope for the hammer that gives double specials, aim for getting slip + 1 other status and just spam.

Uses no omega and takes very little to get going, plays really safe and still has nuts dps

[spare kite]

also who's coarse grit from again?

[cursive knot]

Demeter

[rare brook]

So it's basically identical to Hades 1. What boons did you pick to unlock it?

[solemn thunder]

How do I make aspect of medea explode?

[cursive knot]

Use special

[civic ocean]

momus upgrades to give incredible base power bonuses on the special so pretty much any special boon other than scorch is going to slap on it (posiedon is more to control mobs)

[spark plover]

how can i share a video here? how do yall do it as a link?

[wet nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/938077229206876223/1238574428422668301/FastestChronosKillSoFar.mp4?ex=66411953&is=663fc7d3&hm=1f68ced65e429437122d53fe6ecd5cc0874feac40aa0745b2551b0abeee942bf& I keep using this clip but this shows it is indeed not weak😭😂

[wet nova]

Send it in some other server and copy the media link

[spark plover]

yeah, which one? im total newb at this

[wet nova]

You don’t really need momus for the Poseidon build

[wet nova]

Make a private one yourself

[strange kite]

poseidon is effectively an aphro+ level damage bonus on momus and definitely the best boon to put on staff special build

[tulip heath]

I DID IT

[spark plover]

ohhh discord server

[tulip heath]

[violet pebble]

What's priming all your magick?

[strange kite]

momus makes the base early game for special spam staff much better and guarantees a degree of consistency. base staff unupgraded also works as long as u get the hammer for double shot. momus just helps a lot and makes the build reasonable even without the double shot boon it still does decent damage

[strange kite]

theres a heat that primes all ur magic if u take non common boons

[civic ocean]

Momus is also insanely fun with Antler and % based boons like hera or apollo

[violet pebble]

ahh staff sounds real good there

[spark plover]

isnt this only possible because you can spam it with a keyboard due to a macro or something??

[civic ocean]

I am getting pretty major mario party thumb from smashing special but I don'

t think it's that hard with the hammer to get that speed

[barren parrot]

Is channeling specials and attacks that huge of a deal? Obviously using mana is important but... I just really don't like the channel gameplay, it feels so sluggish.

[earnest nacelle]

no that's because of the 2x special hammer

that's why it looks like so fast

[earnest nacelle]

in most cases yes. Some builds don't use it (like the momus one) but most would like to use channeling omega in some way

[cursive knot]

Depends on weapon/build a bit. Honestly I really like that it plays pretty differently to h1, rewards good spacing really well

[spark plover]

nope, 2x special hammer doesnt get you sub 3k damage in less than a second without a macro.

just not possible i think, unless im proven wrong

[earnest nacelle]

the damage is dependant on what other modifiers he has, I mean it is +8 heroic splash

I'm just talking in terms of the projectiles

[barren parrot]

I think thats the big difference I am trying to get used to. I played fast and hard hitting with Zag almost all the time and I like to get up in faces. Mel on the other hand is clearly being designed to focus more on medium to long range play.

[spark plover]

ah i guess youre right, didnt think about other modiferes and honeslty i just noticed that the whole mana is primed

[barren parrot]

Even the axe encourages medium distance

[spark plover]

just sounds so stupid lol

[earnest nacelle]

I can see it has zeus lightning bolt per strike prime, I think zeus heph duo as well cus it bounces off mel

[cursive knot]

Yeah with a way less cohesive build and basically only poseidon special, hammer, chaos boons it felt similar even tho not as fast

Momus just kinda busted

[earnest nacelle]

yea that's probably like optimal momus which just shreds

[cursive knot]

Maybe that's why I like it so much because in h1 I loved rama bow and hestia rail

[barren parrot]

Haha, I'm the complete opposite. I loved gigacutter fists, the setup and HUGE pay off was so good

stacking ares doom with fists and the big 5 hit special was amazing

im liking the axe and daggers and the torches is literally just hammerdin but the staff i feel so awkward with and anything that pushes me to omega cast i fumble with

I guess I'd just like to see more Mana Prep boons so I can just enhance myself and not worry about omegas

[cursive knot]

Axe spin to win feels so nice with thanatos aspect

[wet nova]

the fear thing that primes magick for high rarity boons 😂

[barren parrot]

youd think spin to win would get boring but it never does 🙂

[wet nova]

I never use omega so never need the magick

[wet nova]

every game spin2win exists, it will forever be fun

[cursive knot]

Clearing treasure troves with 99/100 gold left feels dirty

[barren parrot]

though be warned by the hammer upgrade to make it move forward. it locks you in place and you cant cancel the spin so you can get hit easily

[wet nova]

someone did it with 100 lol

[cursive knot]

I did too

[wet nova]

yh the time slow thing makes it achievable

[cursive knot]

Even without you just charge it up while they spawn in and they insta die

Have only managed it in one of the rift ships and the small Tartarus room though

[slate zodiac]

I didn't play EA for Hades 1 so what will happen when the game fully releases? Do we have to start a new game or do we keep everything we have?

[wet nova]

no hades 1 you kept your save

although if they introduce a hell mode variant and you plan to play hell mode idk how thatll work

[spark plover]

whats yall preferred fear setup for 20-32?

[restive perch]

anyone got a good persophone skull build?

[spark plover]

i smash with either apollo, aphro or hera. just spam omega special till the end

[long basalt]

It pains me greatly that, going by all the restrictions I'm seeing on certain cards, it's gonna be impossible to have them all active at once. 😔

[restive perch]

any hammers in particular?

[warm rover]

Yea sucks but you can have most good ones though

[spare kite]

Judgement gets you a lot of cards for fun at least

[spark plover]

the one that goes back after firing is probably the only one you need.

[restive perch]

aight thnx

[spark plover]

the one sided special was ok but ehh, a bit disorienting

[warm rover]

if your talking the skull special charge...the one sided hammer is indeed weird

[spark plover]

one way i figured it out was that it just shoots from her ghosty arm so whenever i look where her arm is i know thats the side it shoots from

[mellow hemlock]

aspect of pan being the one that gets me the final boss kill just like the volley tracking arrows did in hades 1 😭

i knew when i read the daggers track, it would do me justice

[icy lintel]

My strongest build so far has been with Aspect of Pan. Have just oneshotted Chronos through each of his shield phases with 5k damage in each volley

[mellow hemlock]

it's actually insane 😭

[spare kite]

Pan is chiron but good

[spark plover]

the only case where id use aspect of pan is if i get hera's cast boon because it last so long

[quick garden]

What do yall think of the Artemis aspect?

[mellow hemlock]

wish i could send images to show the build i had

[icy lintel]

Look at #h2-victory-boasting

[warm rover]

seems like the best infusions are the ones that just increase your power

[icy lintel]

#h2-victory-boasting message

[civic lake]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1178235874954190881/1238965825222873138/image.png?ex=66413457&is=663fe2d7&hm=04205185c431d98e448d027b1c02ea34ebb9970e05682086176d4b0499d3ce48&
I'm trying to cook this up right now but it's gonna require getting all 4 correct gods

[spark plover]

its great, especially if you get the hammer upgrades for it. found great success with the hammer upgrade that buffs omega attack by 400 but cost 20 extra

[warm rover]

I love that hammer with the daggers

[quick garden]

yeah I've been using that to cruise through the higher oath of darkness levels

it just seems so powerful, multiple seconds of iframes essentially on demand with high crit chance for 9 attacks

[mellow hemlock]

that's cool but the 16 dagger hammer upgrade along with the power upgrade is insane

thats what i had and i beat chronos so easily it was scary

[karmic gust]

is it just me or are torches basically unplayable with controller

[icy lintel]

Look at the second image. That is what I had in that single run. Those two combined. 101k damage in total by the end from just specials.

[warm rover]

fine with special but awful if your trying to aim your regular attack

[karmic gust]

yep agreed

[icy lintel]

Doesn't controller have auto aim? Though they fly a bit slow so moving targets probably harder.

[mellow hemlock]

oh i didnt even see that

[quick garden]

the torches just feel bad imo

[warm rover]

not with the torches regular attack they just sorta go wherever it seems lol

[mellow hemlock]

wtf is that legendary 💀

[icy lintel]

Apollo.

[karmic gust]

the targetting is super strong with controller, its hard to adjust to the next enemy

[mellow hemlock]

the fact ive only gotten one legendary idk how ppl get them so easily

[tulip heath]

i've never seen one

[karmic gust]

or it will aim at some far off enemy meanwhile you are getting pounded by something right in front of you

[icy lintel]

There are some cards that help and getting boons from a single god helps getting it too.

[warm rover]

don't think I've seen a single legendary I've seen 2 or 3 heroics though

[icy lintel]

I tend to aim for Apollo so I have seen all Apollo legendaries so far.

[karmic gust]

the chaos trials can show you a bunch

[cunning dove]

Whats a good skull aspect for easy wins? Not a fan of them but want to do the testament

[mellow hemlock]

is apollo really that good? feels kinda lackluster for me

i mostly fw hera and aphrodite

[icy lintel]

Apollo is just S tier in all builds. Larger areas and larger damage. No downside.

[karmic gust]

poseidon + hestia duo is actually insane, hestia legendary actually makes hestia builds worth it

[warm rover]

apollo is the guy that makes the axe insane is how I know him lol

[icy lintel]

His cast has the highest damage too.

[mellow hemlock]

his cast is insane

[icy lintel]

Apollo Cast with Demeter Support Cast can do wonders. Cyclone just freezes enemies and their projectiles in place. Then Apollo comes down.

Zeus/Apollo Duo Boon has the highest damage of anything else in the game.

Enemies are struck by lightning while the spell is up. And then they are struck by lightning and solar power when the spell is down.

[tulip heath]

what arcana cards are you guys upgrading first

[icy lintel]

Higher rarity and rolls.

To get the build I want pretty much always.

[civic lake]

https://streamable.com/6iiogu
haha axe spin go brrrr

[icy lintel]

Aphrodite axe is super good too yeah. :D

[civic lake]

You haven't seen Artemis Daggers crit for 4.5k on the Ωattack either

[icy lintel]

I have seen pan dagger do it with special.

[civic lake]

That's just axe Ωattack, not cast

[icy lintel]

Yeah wrote cast by mistake.

[civic lake]

yeye

[elder carbon]

are all of hades' boons common or are there rarities too?

[civic lake]

Common, Rare, Epic
Legendary (requires 3 pre-requisites)
Duo boons (requirs 2 pre-requisites from 2 different gods)

[civic lake]

This unfortunately doesn't work like I thought it did, Charon Axe is bad for this, it doesn't trigger Apollo's cast effect, it only triggers when the cast ends

[elder carbon]

like for the actual god hades not the game, unless hades (the god) has legendary/duo boons too

[civic lake]

Oh my bad, nah it's all common

[elder carbon]

no worries! thanks, thought so but wanted to check

[civic lake]

There's a feature that shows you the boons for every god but it's unlocked late into the game for some reason?

[mellow perch]

it also costs an arm and a leg to incant

[civic lake]

Feels counter-intuitive because the best time for it is as early as possible

[mellow perch]

https://streamable.com/0vf4xr

Anyone know how to get this to happen consitantly? Could make Descura super OP especially if the tech can be pulled off with some skill

[civic lake]

What's that dps plugin?

[civic lake]

And the speedrunning discord is probaboly better equipped to answer that

[dawn cape]

Thought: upgrading the time slowdown arcana might be a detriment in the context of "I need to hold a cast and then wait for the enemy to give me an opening" moments

[mellow perch]

Its a mod ported from the last game https://www.nexusmods.com/hades2/mods/4

[civic lake]

Ty!

[mellow perch]

is there a link somewhere for that discord?

[civic lake]

In your DMs in about 5s

[flint patrol]

apollo attack boon on the axe is nutty area clear

[civic lake]

It's a detriment to speedruns too because the timer doesn't slow down

[dawn cape]

Honestly I feel like the rank-up effects should be changed to faster channeling instead of a longer time-slow

[flint patrol]

chronos boon, all your omega casts are instant but cost more mana

[charred seal]

PEOPLE GENUINELY LIKE AXE????

Who HURT YOU

[quick garden]

axe is fun, not my fav

[royal skiff]

axe is probably my favorite

[civic lake]

HAHA SPIN GO BRRR

[royal skiff]

has a good tactile feel to it

[civic lake]

Axe is just Excal from Hades 1, attack then dash

[charred seal]

Spin to die. Maybe im too much of a wuss to play it right

[distant root]

i love thanatos axe

[charred seal]

I want to love axe, but no.

[civic lake]

https://streamable.com/6iiogu
spin2win*

[distant root]

that + demeter and hestia boons are awesome

spin to win baby

[royal skiff]

get the daedelus for a faster special it feels so much better

[civic lake]

You go Aphrodite attack, then demeter Ωattack buff
Suddenly your spin is doing 3x damage

[royal skiff]

spin to win + chain lightening is a room clear too

[distant root]

chronos schmronos, dude is nothing

[flint patrol]

chronos .-.

[distant root]

i never use the axe special ngl

[tulip heath]

i can never get both at the same time, the game hates me

[civic lake]

Use keepsakes

[tulip heath]

it's the most fun weapon

[civic lake]

You can force it almost every run

[tulip heath]

well the god also has to offer them

[charred seal]

Wow the axe simps assembled like the goddamn avengers

[civic lake]

Yeah keepsakes + rerolls

[distant root]

someone in here posted a great axe build

demeter: attack and weed killer
hestia: sprint and magick regen

[charred seal]

I'm probably too bad to use it

[civic ocean]

The weapons are all good

[distant root]

both of those and the rest falls into place, if you get the hammer where you can move while spinning then its gg

[flint patrol]

Ill give the skull credit, as a die hard rail user in hades 1 the skull is fun but the dps ive been able to do with the axe is disgusting

[royal skiff]

i wish skull did more damage tbh

[deft delta]

what is currently really good for witchstaff? i feel overwhelmed by this weapon idk which boons are good on it

[charred seal]

Unrelated but if we aren't able to romance Medea I will Zeus energy boon myself

[royal skiff]

i guess I'm spoiled by the axe

[distant root]

my first chronos clear was with staff special spam poseidon and the dual special hammer, the dps is insane

[charred seal]

My fav build is staff O attack build

[flint patrol]

part of me kinda wishes for the last weapon to be chronos's scythe

[distant root]

poseidon special and just spam that at anything, it's super busted

[deft delta]

k im gonna try it, thx

[royal skiff]

i want the last weapon to be something ridiculous tbh

[deft delta]

O attack build? whats that

[charred seal]

I have a whole ass theory on what 6th weapon is

[distant root]

hm that would be interesting, though i don't think it will be its own weapon, rather a hidden aspect for the axe

[half basalt]

does priming magick count towards how much you have for certain boons and arcana? like with zeus's spirit surge needing no more than 10, if I prime to that number would it activate or do I just have to use it quickly?

[charred seal]

Spam omega attack on staff

[elder carbon]

is there any benefit to heracles encounters

[distant root]

since in hades 1 we had aspect of hades spear, which is the one big daddy himself uses, albeit a bigger version

[flint patrol]

ill be honest the way aspects are for hades 2 are hellva lot more confusing than 1

[civic lake]

A good tip is to dash attack into the channel for Ωattack
You can then dash to trigger the Ωattack, lemme give you a clip
https://streamable.com/c87alp
This makes the axe a lot more mobile

You can also dash after releasing the Ωspecial to change its direction

[distant root]

imagine if the 6th weapon is a magic wand lmao

[flint patrol]

plus getting some of the aspects in 1 felt more rewarding or like you earned them rather than just give this resource and you got it

[distant root]

oh you know what would be super cool, a simple martial arts weapon

kicks and punches, full monk melinoe

[charred seal]

Too late, just started a Persephone skull run

[spare kite]

You mean the hidden aspects?

[charred seal]

Ty for the clip tho

[flint patrol]

yeah

[civic lake]

A super fun weapon that hits like a wet noodle

[distant root]

yeah in hades 1 you needed to either kill megaera on heat or beat final boss to get one titan blood

but i like the accessibility this game gives you to try out different stuff

[charred seal]

I have a whole ass theory in favour of the 6th weapon being comically large scissors

[spare kite]

Well we have an entire year and who knows how much else to get them, but rn both aspects in 1 and 2 are similar on how to get lol

[distant root]

like how we have 3 death defiance so we can try out other builds without having to put on tooth all the time

[flint patrol]

were not having knock off gwen 😂

[charred seal]

What skull are y'all using???? I crit for like 1500, and I multi hit

[charred seal]

Arachne aspect :3

[charred seal]

Consider this tho. 4 death defiances

[tulip heath]

trident and a net she weaves you

[distant root]

oh yeah i love 4 death defiances, i wouldnt have been able to beat chronos in my most recent run without them

[flint patrol]

I thought taking the fire all attacks on the skull hammer would be good, but I feel like you lose over all dps

[mystic bison]

How do you fight Kronos with the spinning axe? There is just not enough time to fully channel the axe and he ends up destroying you

[charred seal]

Want me to DM my theory?

[wintry saddle]

6th weapon is a pointy hat 🙂

[tulip heath]

I had 5 DDs when I beat the game the first time lol

[flint patrol]

sure

[distant root]

charge it up, dash behind him is what i do

[last palm]

there's like a glowing blue star next to my magick bar, what is it?

[distant root]

that's some effect, probably from an aspect of yours?

[mystic bison]

When he is under 50% hp 1st phase there is barely enough time to do anything let alone charge a whole omega

[charred seal]

What's your aspect?

[last palm]

artemis

[quick garden]

your parry is ready

[distant root]

then don't charge a whole one

[steel walrus]

what boons are good with skulls?

[mystic bison]

But then the dmg becomes subpar and it's a war of attrition..

[charred seal]

Hera (for special spam)

[mystic bison]

Like it's insane how frantic sub 50% hp Kronos phase 1 is there is barely time to put an attack in

Phase 2 is way easier (and more fun)

Phase 1 is just cancer

[dawn cape]

I have no clue how aspect of persephone actually works, had a successful run with it but all I got was occasionally being sent to the other side of the map uncontrollably

[flint patrol]

I like hera on the axe attack to spread the tasty damage around

I do hope we get some of the old gods back too, ares, athena, ect

[spare kite]

The charge is stupid slow rn, the idea is that you charge however much you want, release omega special and go have a ride around the room with it

[flint patrol]

the twisting hammer that brings the waves back would be hella funny to see

[flint patrol]

story of my life when it comes to torches lol

[spare kite]

It absolutely is, but you barely vet to use it lmfao

[mystic bison]

I really can't figure out how to get Kronos with the spinning axe, the whole game is a cakewalk with it but Kronos specifically (phase 1) is a nightmare for me

God I wish there was a boss training room

[flint patrol]

id still like to see some way they could incorporate chronos boons, big pay off from big sacrifice

[mystic bison]

I used to not die at all with staff and knives in Kronos phase 1 but with spinning axe he casually uses up 3 of my dd's it's insane

[wet nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/938077229206876223/1238975906194657351/image.png?ex=66413dbb&is=663fec3b&hm=a07b2d992eae169ed8f559cb30bbd66b6ccaf61dc2b130acebf6d846eb571f15& this little bar controls ti I believe

takes like 5 rooms to fill tho its incredibly undertuned rn

[slate zodiac]

https://imgur.com/BplEJL0

This has the potential to be really strong or really weak

[tulip heath]

the title of my autobiography

[quick garden]

I want to full level judgement and run it with the circe keepsake

sounds funny but probably isn't worth

[slate zodiac]

I gotta level my Circe Keepsake

[dawn cape]

Plus yeeting yourself to the other end of the meadows isn't very practical anyways

[flint patrol]

Ive got to get her island again, ive had it once then havent seen it again

[spare kite]

Max lvl judgement+ that one revive hex bug should activate all cards right
Or pretty much all of them

[flint patrol]

and the cat familar, mine seems to be stuck in limbo lol