h2-builds-and-combat

[lofty anchor]

Axe is a lot of fun. High risk, but I can cleave through rooms fast with the right build

[slender grail]

@vast sluice #h2-feedback message
Scorch stacking is ineffective later on for sure. I think you need Fire Extinguisher to consume Scorch Stacks for damage to make up for it later.

[clear quartz]

Funny that Zeus will cut 70% if your pool for like 3 regeneration but chaos can give you like 15 for having a bad sprint for 3 roo.s lol

[slate zodiac]

Also, big thing about Omega Attack spam vs special spam:

Omega Attack you get a massive AoE that hits multiple enemies and can hit across the room

Special attack is just...a missile that does damage. Idk, it doesn't feel satisfying despite how strong it is

[mint cedar]

charybdis really is kind of a run ender huh

[frail jasper]

yeah, true

[frail jasper]

Lost a death defiance to him but atleast momus normal special spam did alot - aka killed him

[mint cedar]

aphro only torch challenge sucks when he shows up

[gaunt jetty]

I think rare zeus regen should be enough to spam torch?

[clear quartz]

Ehhhhh kinda. You can always have more. I had like 27 last game and still had to pause casting from time to time

[naive silo]

Chaos mana regen might be the best one the game got rn

If you wanna spam mana and you find it, its amazing

[clear quartz]

Yeah I've seen like up to 20 for a single chaos boon before, kinda nuts

[tall notch]

You don't get regen when channeling torch attack

[gaunt jetty]

wait really?

[tulip heath]

Does anyone else like the healing hex as much as me?

[clear quartz]

Hestia number 2 mana regen but all her other stuff kinda sucks

[naive silo]

The healing hex is p goated

[gentle hawk]

Does the song in the second boss fight change the AI behavior like Bone Hydra?

[naive silo]

Though my favorite hex is raising the minion

[tulip heath]

I think her sprint is almost busted

[clear quartz]

Healing hex is so much better than the others it's crazy. Especially that beam that locks you down and kills you for less dps than a regular build will do at the end of a game

[gaunt jetty]

eh, I though scorch was cool with staff special (wrong reply, oops)

[naive silo]

The beam can be upgraded to be great
Aka you cast it and it fires by itself lmao

[tulip heath]

Have you tried rezzing ||a band member|| yet?

[spring holly]

Man my first clear had my chanel attack doing almost 1000 damage each time and I think I could push it higher

[naive silo]

I did ||Infinite minion drummer|| a lot, yes

[clear quartz]

i got a tree where that was far in and never got to that one, never picked it up again because it straight up lost me a run when i accidentally clicked the button lol

[tulip heath]

I haven’t tried it since I found out you can do it, the last two runs I always pick the heal I like it to much

[barren forum]

beam is still fine unupgraded, its very good at cleaning up some rooms

[naive silo]

Its probably the only good thing to male out of the beam
The one time i got a run with it i had triple beam that fired itself

[spring holly]

I always try to pick beam/rex or big boom

[naive silo]

The heal is good fallback yeah, though not always my preference

[clear quartz]

i never pick the morph or the one that rezs an enemy, i feel like those arent worth it because 99% of my struggle is bosses

[spring holly]

never picked heal

[barren forum]

rezzing an enemy is good vs most bosses

[naive silo]

The rezz is very strong

[ember frigate]

how does close-up damage work?

[carmine nymph]

i prefer the one that rizzes an enemy

[spring holly]

you have to be near them

[clear quartz]

keyword being most.......

[barren forum]

even rezzing a random add wastes the boss' time (sorta like skelly's thing in hades 1)

[naive silo]

You can make the minion dish DPS like crazy is RNG is on your side

[barren forum]

yeah ||eris|| is an exception

[spring holly]

there's a set distince

[ember frigate]

so.. the closer the better?

[grave fulcrum]

i once got the rez enemy hex combined with the special boons affecting enemies while i had a 330% aphrodite buff and one of the satyr spearmen was basic attacking chronos for 1,300 dmg a swing

[spring holly]

yeah.

[naive silo]

Yeah you can make some broken stuff

[clear quartz]

i like the bomb that goes off in 4 seconds if i dont get the healing one or the invincibility one, very non commital, just a dps boost every so often

[ember frigate]

wtf? is that just from reviving an enemy?

[mild phoenix]

It doesn’t scale with distance

Close enough is good enough

[grave fulcrum]

yea there's a path perk you can get that gives the rezzed mob the benefit of one of your boons

[barren forum]

takes so much magick to charge though, i think its worse DPS than most of the other ones when factoring in the magick cost

[naive silo]

I never picked the delayed bomb yet
Or the morph

[desert shell]

What does echo survive do exactly? The description confuses me

[clear quartz]

maybe worse dps total but if im aiming something im missing something. i like just calling down an orbital nuke because i can still focus 100% on playing/dodging

[vast sluice]

Did not expect to get pinged, haha! Glad you agree

[naive silo]

For scorch youre forced to have the 300 damage trigger yeah

Otherwise it just kinda tickles

[zenith bolt]

wow, thanks for the options, game https://i.imgur.com/y9eriDl.png

[clear quartz]

i truly hope scorch and the zeus attack thing get a full rework i kinda hate them. i could see scorch being fun with certain builds at least if it just did more damage though. still would prefer something else though

[slate zodiac]

https://imgur.com/AILLw4w

@frail jasper to prove that I gave the build a fair shot. I didn't struggle at all vs Chronos. Build is strong but it's soooooooo boring, man

[pseudo venture]

Maybe I'm just bad but I can not get Ravaal or Ygnium to work they always just feel horrible the other 3 weapons are great tho

[frail jasper]

holy moly

[night gazelle]

do Attack boons like apollo affect omega attacks?

[lunar sparrow]

Axe with aspect of thanatos and apollos boons makes for ultimate nuking machine, specials basically cover most of the rooms completely and hit for up to 2k in dmg

[naive silo]

Is that the "i tap special until they die" build

[slate zodiac]

'Twas literally first try I'm just not a fan

[frail jasper]

holy...

[tiny pond]

if scorch had a higher buildup i’d like that. the zeus curse though i agree is annoying to use.

[slate zodiac]

Yes and @naive silo yes

[split igloo]

thats pretty good man most i get is hermes or hp

[naive silo]

I can see why its boring
You basically become a turret

[frail jasper]

I was unlucky and kept getting a bunch of cast things, even with 4 dice. Might have to try again after I do some pan stuff

[slate zodiac]

You stand completely still and spam RMB RMB RMB RMB

At least with the Mel Staff Omega Attack spam build you have to dash around to reposition

[clear quartz]

i specifically could see scorch being fun on pan knives, mel torches, and witches staff with the hammer thing to hit twice every attack if the numbers on it werent so low

[naive silo]

Yeah its boring
Though it hits p hard

[split igloo]

i am ending my run just to try to find a reason to enjoy torches in any way

[barren forum]

does that one fear effect that disables unchosen boons make it near-impossible to get legendary boons?

[split igloo]

there is fear effect?

[clear quartz]

aphrodite special!!! its fun meat grinder build! like playing hammer in d2 kinda

[barren forum]

yeah, theres a fear effect that permanently removes the 2 boon options you dont choose from the pool whenever you pick a boon

gives +2 fear which is quite a bit for something that doesnt make the game directly harder

[split igloo]

not by special end of special and tons of tons of regen boons also @barren forum is that chaos debuff because i remember one chaos debuff that disabled 1 boon

[barren forum]

fear is this game's version of heat

[split igloo]

oh you mean that debuff

i thought it was hardcore chaos debuff

[slender grail]

special build with the torches is usually great
try hestia, hera, or zeus-prime, or anything that triggers on-hit
run in a couter clockwise circle and dash-special-dash-special

[split igloo]

i know special is really good especially with artemis arrow and hera

but there has to be something there to enjoy without specials

[slender grail]

artemis arrow is good with any rapid attacker, but yeah I find it to be just okay

[naive silo]

Torches attack builds are kinda boring imo
Unless you get the hammer that splits the shot that one is funny

[slender grail]

yeah I feel like for some aspects the "clear" winner is usually attack or special, and if you're lucky both are viable under the right boon

Umbral attack is kinda underwhelming without several hammers

[vague solstice]

Aaaaah I was so close to beat grampa with a Hephaestus build ! Died in the last second. What build did you have for your first win ?

[slender grail]

knives with returning-special hammer, does a lot of backstab and shotgunning -- boon literally didn't matter

[split igloo]

i am going to try eos

speed eos

[naive silo]

Double attack hammer for the staff with apollo attack

[vague solstice]

I will try this next

Staff is my favorite weapon so far and I am too dumb for other weapons lol

[grave fulcrum]

having a hard time seeing the benefit of picking up boons to apply a curse because they seem kinda weak, do you guys have any boon curse effects/combos that you specifically go for?

[naive silo]

Staff can do quite a lot of builds depending on what you find
You could make an omega attack build too

[summer seal]

Freeze and Slip are both really nice

[naive silo]

The Hera one is p nice

[clear quartz]

Wouldn't that still only hit bosses once? Never picked it up

[naive silo]

Yes its mostly for rooms

Unless you snipe from like max range

[split igloo]

I mean pinks are good if you upgrade them or high rarity burn is good too

[clear quartz]

D: damn I want to like torch attack more

[naive silo]

Omega attack that deals 1500% more damage is cool too

For the hammer torch buffs

[clear quartz]

That one seems good, it's just so long to charge that omega

[naive silo]

Yeah its slow, but its very nice to see the big Number

[clear quartz]

I would like torch attack if it worked like every other weapon and I could charge every shot tbh, I don't care if it would still be bad I'd at least find it fun lol

[wheat belfry]

Any strategies fighting Eris? After 34hrs in She just made me activate God mode after failing a 205 Life 82 Armor 5 Death Defiance (3 Max Arcana +1 From Circe upgraded Arcana +1 From Toula) Feels Bad... so frustrating...

[hidden kindle]

so is like Hephaestus Build more on Pom of Power? I'm running a +12 on one of his Blast Boons now and it has a 4 CD timer.

[clear quartz]

But I kinda love the secondary. I've always loved meat grinder builds where you walk close to enemies and they die, like righteous fire in poe

[cursive knot]

Yeah poms seem to scale really well with Heph

[grave fulcrum]

thats the RF pervert right there officer

[naive silo]

The poms help a lot for sure, they're p good for the cooldowns

[hidden kindle]

Are there alternatives for Hephaestus builds? His CD seems to be too long without Poms though

[clear quartz]

Hephaestus cast is my favorite cast I don't care if Zeus is actually better, I have to charge that one

[cursive knot]

I'm still not mega consistent against her but one thing that helped me a lot is abusing how slowly she turns if you can. Standing right next to her or behind her you can get a lot of hits in before she can fully rotate if you're very close.

[clear quartz]

I want to try Heph and demeter together so I can have the tiny but big damage cast follow me as I kill with something else

[hidden kindle]

I tried a Skull Special Heph build, the 4 CD was fun - but couldn't do much against Chronos sadly.

Maybe I should try the other aspect for the skull. Might work.

[icy lintel]

#h2-victory-boasting message
Probably my strongest build to date.

[indigo arch]

I'm trying to clear the minor prophecy of using no arcana while fighting hecate, but i've got one card that automatically activates if no more than 2 of the same grasp are used, including 0 grasp. is this gonna affect my minor prophecy

[hidden kindle]

Also, does requiring a high relationship with the God allow you to unlock their legendary? or is it just RNG?

[icy lintel]

Just RNG.

[zenith bolt]

maybe, there's a vow you can use to disable your arcana cards

[hidden kindle]

damn. really hard to get those final legendaries

[indigo arch]

vow? is that something to unlock or did i just miss it

[clear quartz]

What's the trick to surviving the chronos 2nd phase one shot? I've just been death defying every time 😭

[zenith bolt]

have to beat da game, it's the oath of the unseen

[indigo arch]

ah. so sad

[hidden kindle]

Go to the indicated space (circle or ring) that isn't darkened out.

[zenith bolt]

https://i.imgur.com/HIgmA2D.png

[sacred owl]

you have to stand in the small circle

[hidden kindle]

he also has a one-shot that is a ring.

[clear quartz]

Didn't even notice a circle, ill look next time

[indigo arch]

thought it wouldve been nice clearing some prophecies while grinding materials. ah well. just gotta get gooder

[cursive knot]

theres a chaos trial that also disables arcana and works for the prophecy

[mint cedar]

where

[cursive knot]

also holy cow just saw i have 48 hours played already

[cursive knot]

"Trial of Humility" assuming you have the pitch black stone unlocked

[indigo arch]

ty! i am too underskilled for that tho farthest ive gotten is 2nd healthbar phase 2 on chronos

[mint cedar]

oh you meant chaos

[cursive knot]

oh chaos 100% my bad i just woke up

[cursive knot]

my bad meant chaos not chronos

[indigo arch]

all good!

[primal nest]

Anyone else had this weird thing (I think it might be a bug) where Sister Blades (pan aspect) misses nearly all blades on Chronos 2nd phase? I had 2 daedalus boons that I think might be related, Spiral Knives (shoot in a circle pattern) and Hook Knives (Specials return to you and deal extra backstab dmg)

Literally melted through every single boss and chronos first phase, only to barely even hit chronos in the 2nd phase

[strange kite]

is pan best boon +% damage or +flat damage?

[cursive knot]

think i had one run where it seemed to have trouble locking on and then a few more where it was fine

[primal nest]

yeah for me this was the 2nd run where I seemed to have this issue

[grand gale]

any good builds for the twin staffs

[zenith bolt]

god if eris could please stop flying into corners every 2 seconds

[strange kite]

yoo ikr eris is a pain

[zenith bolt]

or flying over fire, or spawning stuff

[strange kite]

yes lemme just dodge the homing eris shots while shes standing in the fire. lemme just attack her while she goes invuln constantly

[karmic gust]

i want to do a crit build (thanatos axe + white antler + tarot card that gives crit on omega moves), what attack boon would you guys recommend?

i tried hestia but it wasnt very good (i was hoping that her dmg could crit but nope)

[zenith bolt]

eris often hitting harder than chronos is my bigger issue with her tbh

[strange kite]

aphro is usually good for axe

[zenith bolt]

she like pretty much always has doubled damage

[cursive knot]

aprho slaps but honestly a ton of them would work. hera apollo demeter etc would prob be good too

[full yarrow]

i hate when you omega and start to dash to other direct and it just cast in that direct you dash. What am i supose to do when i want do cast and dash

[karmic gust]

i was thinking that, but since im gonna be at 30 health getting that close is deadly in later stages

[strange kite]

i mean ur on axe

what else are you gonna do with your attack?

[cursive knot]

yeah gonna be close either way unless apollo then

[strange kite]

ur attack isnt ranged so aphro is always live basically.

[karmic gust]

oh i actually dont know how close you have to be

i thought it was right on top of em basically, is it basically the radius of axe omega attack?

[cursive knot]

yeah feels like i always am in range with it

[karmic gust]

ooh good to know

[cursive knot]

even when spacing edge of axe

[karmic gust]

ty

btw, is demeter still the highest attack up percentage (other than aphro)?

[cursive knot]

hera is also pretty high but i forget exact numbers

[nimble dawn]

apollo/dera/demeter are same iirc

[tall notch]

Zeus is very quickly becoming my favourite god

[cursive thicket]

Q re: hestia + axe: does scorch proc on each hit of the omega attack?

do we know?

[neon olive]

There is a small circle with a roman numeral on it that you're safe if you stand there but yeah it got me on the first run too I was like

[zenith bolt]

finally got through trial of heartache
somehow that took me longer than trial of haste

eris is actually kinda scary when you dont just nuke her

[strange kite]

is anyone else finding mel way harder to upgrade into being op af than zag? like arcanas seems so much weaker than mirror upgrades and the progression takes a longer time too i think. unless im just not playing this correctly

like by this point i feel like i should be walking over kronos half asleep but a heat 0 run it’s still somewhat of a struggle

[white steppe]

mel's stuff definitely has a lot more progression attached yea, overall she's more fair than zag is how I would put it, maybe that'll change as the balance of the game does

only bosses I think are cringe are charybdis and polyphemus

[tall notch]

Do you have arcana upgrades unlocked yet?

[lunar flame]

Anyone have any tips for Chronos I’ve gotten to him four times now and I have barely ever got him to half health before he curb stomps me into the floor

[summer seal]

Ah yes, the long grind for Moon Dust. Gets some seriously strong stuff though

[neon olive]

I feel like the play is forcing you to make use of the omega moves as much as possible to try to differentiate itself from Hades I a little bit more & if you lean into it you can really stomp everything.

Ex: the furies card maxed (+25% damage in your casts) paired with a good cast and any daedalus hammer that gives bonus damage to omega attacks can have you dealing 800+ damage in one hit every couple seconds with virtually any weapon

Oh and ||medea's|| keepsake too like say goodnight sweet prince lmao

[wet nova]

I think the main thing is trying to activate arcana’s for the build you plan to go for

Because ofcourse you can’t have it all unlike in hades 1

[white steppe]

what do yall try to do for privileged status? i kinda prefer going mono god and my other gods give survivability / utility boons

[wet nova]

That’s what I love about the new system, multiple runs could have a different arcana setup

[wet nova]

What’s privileged status?

Isn’t that from hades 1

[tall notch]

There is an arcana that does the same thing

[white steppe]

it is but its basically the same here too, its the thing that gives you bonus damage for having 2 or more curses on an enemy

[earnest nacelle]

origination

[neon olive]

I will say I think the nerf to boon appearance rate is a bit frustrating. Could easily walk into hades fight with like 20 boons several at lvl 5-10 vs I regularly reach chronos with like half my key weapon "boon slots" empty which forces your hand in the final fight a lot... like "gee guess I'm casting only for this fight" lol

[earnest nacelle]

usually I have my cast give 1 status and my attack/special give another status, or use demeter who can give 2 status on cast herself

[wet nova]

Usually the cast should have a debuff if you can like freeze, weak, burn and then have another debuff for your special/main attack depending what you use

Cast one is good to have a debuff on because of arcana that gives 30% damage in cast too

[icy lintel]

What boons go well with Persephone aspect?

I was thinking Aphrodite special... Then blanked.

[tall notch]

Zeus/Poseidon cast

[white steppe]

only hera, hestia and zeus have curses on their main attacks, i happen to not like playing w any of them lul

[slate zodiac]

Guys, what keepsakes would you run on Artemis Dual Blades? Out of curiousity.

I'm thinking Aphrodite for Attack, but what else?

[wet nova]

You can also get curse from sprint

[tall notch]

Poseidon and Apollo do too with secondary boons (Poseidon has the slip thing and Apollo has a boon that can daze on attack)

[strange kite]

yes but i only upgraded hp/mana and death defiance

[icy lintel]

Hestia attack is pretty good. Posiedon special also.

[wet nova]

I believe if you dash close to an enemy it also applies the hitch or daze that is on “sprint”

[neon olive]

Black fleece every time (bonus damage to omega attack after taking 250 damage, carries over into the next region)

[slate zodiac]

Poseidon special for.....Artemis?

[icy lintel]

Oh sorry.

[slate zodiac]

I'm assuming that's from Hercules? I haven't received it yet

[white steppe]

listen man i dont even remember what artemis does i jus know poseidon attack on blades shreds everything

[earnest nacelle]

it's medea, herc is different

[slate zodiac]

Hold omega attack for parry and bonus damage

[neon olive]

From the "special appearence" in ephyra (not heracles)

[wet nova]

Correction: Poseidon attack shreds everything on every weapon

[white steppe]

you'd run poseidon attack on axe?

[wet nova]

Spin to win😂

[slate zodiac]

I've only run into her once so

[wet nova]

Tbh you can run Poseidon on special for axe

[white steppe]

i try to pretend axe special doesnt exist tbh

[wet nova]

Cost when you spam tap the special it blocks while also does the Poseidon procs

[slate zodiac]

I think Hestia is better for Pan blades because Hestia comes with a ranged cast as an option

Otherwise yes, Poseidon is great for every multi-attacking weapon

[white steppe]

isnt it consensus that scorch is ass

oh you just mean for the cast mb

[tall notch]

I don't like scorch on main attacks but I love Hestia cast tbh

[slate zodiac]

It's not about Scorch being bad, it's about the fact that Hestia offers good damage that synergies with the weapon and a boon that makes it easier to perform the gimmick.

[tall notch]

Hestia + Poseidon duo lowkey feels like the new merciful end

[drifting wedge]

does anyone know if the dagger riposte from artemis' aspect work with heph's "increased damage if you take damage" boon?

[slate zodiac]

I haven't gotten that Duo yet, noted

[white steppe]

yeah but unlike that you cant just ignore the athena aspect of it by slapping it on dash lul

[strange kite]

i feel like omega attacks are kinda mid. like yeah they can hit hard but it’s a lot to build for while zag was just full ape mode with stuff like eris and chiron and spamming dashes and being invincible half the time.

and hammer distribution is awful

i hate hammer rng

[white steppe]

omegas feel a lot better if you have ways to speed them up

the faster omega attack charge hammer on axe is just peak

[strange kite]

i just think the arcana upgrades high key suck/ compared to the op op mirror.

[vague skiff]

Any recommendations on arcana for staff (still at 10 grasp)?

[strange kite]

i lost my axe run even after getting that cuz u never got an attack boon lul

[slate zodiac]

Also, Hestia's general boons are better than Poseidon. Even if her Special isn't as good as Poseidon, I think Hestia's boons synergize better with Pan as a whole

All imo ofc

[white steppe]

yea they gotta bring back core boon priority lmao

[strange kite]

i never got a good attack boon that is

[white steppe]

eh maybe idk i havent played a lot of pan, it just feels like scuffed chiron

[strange kite]

eventually i got hestia at the very end and it blows on axe

luuul i like pan but it really is chiron at home when u think about it.

[slate zodiac]

You'd understand if you played a Hestia Pan

Granted, I think Artemis is generally stronger but Pan opens the door to stronger highrolls

[lunar flame]

Anyone have any tips for Chronos I’ve gotten to him four times now and I have barely ever got him to half health before he curb stomps me into the floor

[strange kite]

u can do poseidon boon on it but chiron had heartseeker build

[summer seal]

How do you generally build for Artemis aspect?

[white steppe]

i still dont understand what hestia does for you other than the targeted cast which tbf zeus can also do and then you can use his chain lightning thing

[main hatch]

What are people's opinions on Hephaestus's boons?

[white steppe]

i hate mostly everything about the way heph boons play

[slate zodiac]

Anything goes lmao. It's just a universally strong weapon that has the ability to negate one instance of damage every 15 seconds. Build around your Omega attack and one shot most enemies or run around for an opening on a boss and do a ton of dmg. It needs less investment than Pan to do well imo

[main hatch]

What I like is that she adds damage to the base cast, meaning I can drop it and run when I'm in trouble.

[mystic ledge]

I like them but like the long cool down really kills the vibes for me

but also does anyone know what serenity does ?

[white steppe]

build around omega attack ie roll the dice for the explosive omega hammer or get cooked?

[slate zodiac]

Zeus' targeted cast is worse because you cannot aim it after presisng down the cast button. Zeus' special is also bad on Pan because it's a multi-hitting weapon in comparison to Scorch. I also find Hestia's mana gen better as a whole, and her Cast is pretty good damage and attack synergizes well with dual blades in general

In short, she has a LOT of boons that do well with Pan, regardless of Poseidon's damage potential in comparison

[raven yew]

any cool wand builds to try? ive been running hepha and hestia, kinda wanna try smth new

[slate zodiac]

Not really? You can just omega attack in, cast, dash out, wait for an opening, repeat. Or you can hit them like normal. You just get a free parry.

Once again, I do think Pan has better highrolls but Artemis is not Daedalus reliant

[main hatch]

Fair... big chunks of damage are nice, but damn that cooldown hurts. Though one run I did get the attack cooldown to like... five seconds. Maybe less. It felt like I was bringing down the hammer of the gods on my enemies.

[white steppe]

the delay for artemis parries feels too annoying, its like playing heph but its your entire weapon gimmick

[main hatch]

Carried me through ||Scylla|| at 5 health.

[slate zodiac]

You don't use it for the parry tbf, the parry is if you mess up. Just build Aphro Attack and abuse it for the faster charge time on Omega Attack

[white steppe]

if they could make artemis parries an actual parry timing mechanic that'd be sick

i dont really care for omega attack on blades tbf, i just use it to enable mel aspect's backstabs and then delete w poseidon attack

[mystic ledge]

Yeah I kinda made a whole flanking build with artemis blades and hephs boons

[earnest nacelle]

I got it to 4 seconds yea

[slate zodiac]

I do wanna make it clear that I don't believe Artemis Blades are the strongest weapon in the game - at present I believe that goes to either Than/Mel Axe or Special spam Staff (I forget the name, I think it's Momus?). I jsut think it's the easiest Dual Blades to build around and are thus the best of the available aspects for said weapon.

[earnest nacelle]

that's just epic too, if it was heroic lv5 or smth it can be like 1 second maybe lol

[night gazelle]

Does Keen Intuition (Hera damage at max mana) work on Axe omega attack?

[main hatch]

Hephaestus go smite

[earnest nacelle]

then get the duo with hestia and you're basically just smiting the enemy

[dreamy inlet]

https://imgur.com/a/ZnZb80U
can someone pleas explain this?

[main hatch]

What and how. I don't know what it does but I already want to try it.

[dreamy inlet]

so every time i get to minimum mana i prime 10, indefinitely?

[carmine nymph]

yeah

[white steppe]

eh, easiest? i feel like mel has the ease of use covered

[earnest nacelle]

it makes your blast trigger twice if you trigger it within 0.85 second of it finishing cd

[primal kiln]

No, only once per Encounter

[dreamy inlet]

i still dont understand
so i prime 10 every encounter, and it stays primed?

[main hatch]

I'm not sure I understand. Then again I'm not as familiar with the vocabulary as I'd like.

[earnest nacelle]

you smite twice if you hit enemy fast enough after it's available again

[slate zodiac]

Nah, Mel's Dual Blades is just "damage when hitting behind"

Artemis' version gives you a free "get out of jail free card" every 15 seconds AND makes jumping on the enemy very easy with how fast the omega attack is

[cursive knot]

@bleak night you were right hera axe feels great, first no dd run ive done

[mystic ledge]

Oh yeah totally agree, I kinda went with a posidon/demterus buiild for the mel axe. Spam and go rather far untill i ended up borking my ax

[zenith bolt]

hmm i think for currently existing trials,
haste > heartache > blood > doom > everything else, difficulty wise

[main hatch]

Oh! Makes sense. I like it. What boons do I need to have already for it to show up?

[primal kiln]

You basically lose 10 max Mana, and get a FREE Refill up to that reduced Manabar amount

[white steppe]

haste is disgusting if anyone has a video of a clear lmk

[zenith bolt]

i actually do! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAgaZ-t8oxU

[main hatch]

Not the prime and refill thing, I got that.

I was asking for the dummy version of the H+H duo boon.

[earnest nacelle]

you need 1 of hep's attack/special, and 1 of hestia's attack/special/cast

[carmine nymph]

Artemis daggers with backstab hammer, omega attack hammer, and aphro attack 🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤

[earnest nacelle]

ideally you'd have hep's attack and special + hestia cast

[main hatch]

Cast meaning the aimed cast, the passive scorch, or either?

[earnest nacelle]

the passive scorch

[main hatch]

Fantastic.

[white steppe]

did you max hermes' keepsake before going for it?

[main hatch]

Love that boon already, so I'm not exactly giving anything up.

[zenith bolt]

nah, you can see it's like level 1 or something in the video

[carmine nymph]

realzing that having gods named hera, heph, and hestia is not confusing at all 😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫

[zenith bolt]

and further proof https://i.imgur.com/7gYq5w0.png

[main hatch]

Blame the Greeks lol.

[cursive knot]

yeah not much supergiant can do about that one

[carmine nymph]

i will

[mystic ledge]

i mean same would been said with artemis, ares, and athena in 1

[green jewel]

Just call em festus

[carmine nymph]

Elden Ring naming convention

[carmine nymph]

this is true

[mystic ledge]

Anyone know what Sereneity does for Aspect of Circe for the witches staff?

[tired fulcrum]

Doesnt it tell you in the tooltip

[carmine nymph]

yeah it boosts your mana regen and gives you faster channel i think

[main hatch]

How do you get aspects for the weapons? Do you need to unlock all the base ones first?

[carmine nymph]

it says on the right side of the aspect when you hover it

[carmine nymph]

beat hecate with all the weapons

[main hatch]

Oooo

Ok
Makes sense.

[mystic ledge]

oh

[main hatch]

And do you need to go to the surface to get material for all of them?

[mystic ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-and-jerry-tuffy-dunce-cap-gif-9565926931314087720

[main hatch]

I have Torches, Axe, Witchblades, and Staff.

[dark parcel]

i still dont get how cast work now and what is magik? is some sort of mana? how do i get new weapons

[main hatch]

Next up is skull.

[tired fulcrum]

Yes, its hot garbage

[cerulean atlas]

mini bosses counts as "Guardian" or not? or just the final boss of the floor?

[tired fulcrum]

Every core god pair has a duo

[earnest nacelle]

it's..weird

[mystic ledge]

but like

[earnest nacelle]

it makes lone shades and you can sprint into them for more damage? idk

[tired fulcrum]

It like spawns more shades you can run into to make them do damage to enemies but like it doesnt work in a lot of rooms

[main hatch]

Cast is a ward you put down, traps enemies there.
The Omega system allows you to charge powerful attacks. Just hold the buttons down to charge them.

[mystic ledge]

the combo sounds busted tho

Thats stupid.

[cursive knot]

woo finally have judgement level 3

[main hatch]

Cast's Omega deals a chunk of damage after it expires.

[white steppe]

just finished watching poseidon with an absolute mvp play with that water fitness in shop

[vernal scroll]

Does anyone have any tips for making the flames worthwhile?

[main hatch]

Then staff has a line of destruction and a powerful short shot.

[zenith bolt]

ikr 😭 charon always letting me down with heals

[dark parcel]

thx but how do i get new weapons?

[main hatch]

Play. You'll get some prompts as you do more runs.

You're stuck with the staff for a little while.

[dark parcel]

thx

[hollow dove]

What kind of arcana setup are you guys using?

[zenith bolt]

this but imagine i have origination https://i.imgur.com/YcnTyhx.jpeg

[limpid condor]

best weapon of choice?

[shell swan]

No death defiance?

[zenith bolt]

death defiance is the 4 on the middle row

XII

[dark parcel]

so this is the mirror right?

[shell swan]

Oh wait I mixed up death defiance and the gold one

[zenith bolt]

pretty much

[mystic ledge]

Huge sucker for bik ax

[zenith bolt]

i have some like divinity-less ideas like instead grabbing XVI for more rerolls

[main hatch]

To be fair, as you level everything else it gets less and less valuable.

[limpid condor]

feel like the orb wand is bad

[cursive knot]

I basically run 2nd column 4th row with the furies on , waiting for 30th grasp to add sprint

[main hatch]

The Tooth and Death Defiance are fantastic for me right now, but I'm sure I'll get to the level I'm at with Hades 1, where I never die and therefore never need death defiance.

[cursive knot]

i just like rerolls and higher rarity boons

[dark parcel]

hecate's cast looks pretty cool

[zenith bolt]

otherwise im also looking at a judgment setup

[main hatch]

She doesn't give boons. At least I don't think she does.

[cursive knot]

just unlocked judgement tier 3 so gonna try running that

[dark parcel]

oh sorry hestia

[zenith bolt]

with just like titan, unseen, eternity, divinity queen, judgment

[main hatch]

Then yes. You are correct.

[dark parcel]

best boons?

[main hatch]

The only one I prefer more is Apollo's Orbital Air Strike.

[cursive knot]

reroll arcana setups feel so comfy for me and basically just guaranteeing you get the boons you want

[vernal scroll]

1,2, 7-9, 11 and 12

[earnest nacelle]

I change set up depending on weapon and build

[vernal scroll]

What arcana setup is good for flames? I'm trying to get good at then since they're the most untraditional weapon so far

[cursive knot]

would be nice if they add presets so that its really easy to swap it up for specific builds

[sturdy trail]

you should suggest it in #h2-feedback if you havent already thats a good idea

[cursive knot]

saw a number of people suggesting it so im sure its on the radar

[dark parcel]

what should i get supernova or lucid gain?

[signal robin]

I think eris' "boon" is just a tad overtuned

[dark parcel]

what the hell lucid gain + supernova + hestia cast is op

[sturdy trail]

What Weapons are you guys favoring so far?

[jolly basalt]

Thanatos axe
Spin to win with Aphrodite atk

[cursive knot]

thanatos axe #1 by huge margin then pan daggers for me

[sturdy trail]

I didn't get Thanatos axe yet, didn't seem worth. Do you have to beat the final boss to farm N-mare?

[halcyon lintel]

Sister blades, omega attack just keep spamming it. eris her giant volleys wont even hurt you, she moves too slow for it

[tender egret]

What god should I focus on with the Witch's Staff can't seem to make it work ?

[sturdy trail]

Pan daggers seem like they could be g ood, casts just dont last very long to get off a lot of volleys

[cursive knot]

doesnt matter if you phase boss in one volley tho

[sturdy trail]

Depends on the hammer IMO. If you get 2x attack hammer then do something like hestia for the burn or Zues for the lightning procs.

[sturdy trail]

What boons do you try to get for the special?

[cursive knot]

poseidon felt really good, aphro and apollo felt good, idk didnt feel like it mattered as long as you had good hammers

[sturdy trail]

thats always the trouble, a lot of builds feel very hammer dependent but thats kind of a given

[tame warren]

I'm currently mid run and i wanted to go for the aphrodite legendary boon, but there does not seem to be a way to check the requirements from the boon selection screen. Anyone have the requirements? I currently have the attack boon

[cursive knot]

good thing is that for pan there are a lot of hammers that feel great on them

[tender flint]

how would I post a picture?

[cursive thicket]

that sucks I had that kind of thing happen to me too. It's gotten a little more likely to clear after I focused on attack patterns and dodge strategies. Some ways to avoid damage from her:

• stay behind her
• stay behind the pillars (the pink sniper attack will destroy the pillars, the others won't)
• use hestia's sprint to nullify projectiles
• learn her signals and moves

[sturdy trail]

its rough, cause I really want the list in game of hammers and boons but its EA so we gotta make do, might find them online, anyone have a site?

[cursive knot]

Need either broken resolve/sweet surrender, + either rapture ring, passion dash, glamour gain, + plus either flutter strike/flourish

[tame warren]

thank you so much!

[tender flint]

anyone know

[cursive knot]

if you go into book and then to nocturnal arms and click on it it has list of hammers

[serene halo]

Y'all ever get scorch special on the staff with bonus attack speed and chains to 2 more enemies hammer?
Build is EZ mode

[cursive thicket]

have to unlock the info on boons I think

[serene halo]

repeatedly tap special to win

[sturdy trail]

Im pretty far in, but i still dont have that or an incantation for it, just their lore, do you have it in game?

[sturdy trail]

Huh, you know I had a 2x hammer on my staffs special and I just had straight dmg on it, Didnt even think of putting hestia thats a good idea

[cursive thicket]

I need one more golden apple and I can do the incantation for the boons. Not sure if it applies to hammers as well?

[serene halo]

dude it's insane

[spice crow]

whats the build of the moment? momo?\

[sturdy trail]

Ahh nice, yeah I still haven't killed Chronos, was super close but his attack patterns are so annoying and he chunks.

[limpid condor]

so how do you upgrade weapons'

[serene halo]

you gotta get the incantation for the aspects

then you can upgrade them at the silver pool

[limpid condor]

def gotta do that

[cursive thicket]

I haven't either, he too chonky. Can't remember what unlocks the boon info upgrade

[cursive knot]

ngl the infusion boons kinda slap if you get the heavenly thing from narcissus

especially if double up procs on them

[tribal wedge]

Man I love syllabus, I hope melin becomes a fan

SYLLABUS!?

Scylla

[hollow juniper]

hey can I ask how my arcana loadout looks here

[sturdy trail]

Wdym? She goes to EVERY concert, she is a fan!

[split igloo]

i know some people worry about chronos instakill but it can be solved with selene boon

[sturdy trail]

You mean the walky thing? I just walk to the thingy

[fluid flare]

hi everyone, any tips on the stupid money bag mini boss in Tartarus? had phoenix skin, tried to dodge and the laser just gets me, been bitter about it since

[tribal wedge]

You can technically, but you'd be better served in builds chat

[hollow juniper]

dodge behind it when it lasers you

[earnest nacelle]

get closer to it

[fluid flare]

it was by a wall

[split igloo]

i mean the one that you dont take damage ever

[earnest nacelle]

it tracks you down really well if you're far

[fluid flare]

so just hug it? alright, time to make a friend..

[sturdy trail]

Anyone got a pic of their current arcana setup? Me no want think, me only want kill

[hollow juniper]

I have one ready but I was gonna ask if it's any good lol

[sturdy trail]

mhm same, there's some cards that just seem way to good to pass up though

[tribal wedge]

How do you dodge cerberus's slam? I keep getting hit by it when I try to dodge away

[cursive knot]

oh neat the hex that revives an npc to fight for you works on sirens

[sturdy trail]

Honestly I just stay behind the good boi the whole fight, right in the center of his back, a little bit away, the circles dont usually hit you there, you can just dash through him

[hollow juniper]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/516586206067294211/1238609323685449809/image.png?ex=663fe853&is=663e96d3&hm=06bb3402624d8a0e8ba1e6f49f674920e38ccb46ff133e1ffef856366de8f45b& this is what I've been rolling with, I was trying to make hex cooldown work but most of the hexes dont... seem good enough to spend 4 grasp on it?

[hollow juniper]

stay behind him, and when he does a 1-paw slam, dodge away from the paw that slams

the 2-paw slams have smaller shockwaves and dont hit behind him

[tribal wedge]

That's the problem tho whenever he does the single slam it still hits me for some reason

[hollow juniper]

yeah you dodge diagonally away

[sturdy trail]

the shockwave continuously travels, its a bit annoying, do try to stay at his back in the center and just dash through him if he turns around on you

[tribal wedge]

Okie

[jaunty cloak]

This is the way. I never get hit by that anymore.

[slate zodiac]

https://imgur.com/QPs8bhI

Does anyone get annoyed that this pops up after every clear? lol

[jaunty cloak]

Yea

[sturdy trail]

yeah, I have tech test PTSD

[jaunty cloak]

Feels like they are about to close me out to desktop

[sturdy trail]

"youve had enough fun, your computer will now explode"

[tulip jungle]

hey guys not so useful tech but apparently slowing down time doesnt effect your cast and its pretty strong with anvil ring lol

[grand prism]

Hephestus and Apollo's duo boon, makes all your Hephestus BONKS do AREA DAMAGE. That is not balanced, lmao.

[sturdy trail]

BONK

I dont care for Hephestus, its strong but its not my play style

[kind rover]

So how does the Demeter and Hephestes Duo boon work? Does it clear the actual "frozen" status or the "cooldown on being frozen" status?

[sturdy trail]

Hell Splitter or Advancing Whirlwind, guys?

[long osprey]

For me it very much depends on my build. If I'm running a low damage per attack build like the blades I love that little burst of Hephaestus damage, especially if you can get the attack bonk

[grand prism]

But 400 AOE damage per bonk? Get two bonk abilities and rotate them... you are SMITING!!

[long osprey]

Hell Splitter till the day I die

[sturdy trail]

tried it once and didnt like it, but this runs for you, lets hope it works out

[long osprey]

You've got the luck of the resident server witch with you🤞

I love high damage builds like hell splitter, one time I got it up to like 630 damage per base attack with damage bonus boons

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah it should probably stop appearing after the first clear

[sturdy trail]

Aphro gave me Heroic Flutter Strike

[long osprey]

high risk for the slow attack equals high reward for the insane damage

[sturdy trail]

I just think about Chronos, trying to pin him down and hit him smh

[rugged cove]

anyone have keepsake recommendations? i've pretty much exclusively been using luckier tooth for extra death defiance but i want to shake things up, lol

[long osprey]

That's fair, Apollo's cast has been carrying me whenever I'm running axe against Chronos

[sturdy trail]

Whats his cast do?

Bosses can move in casts, is it daze or?

[long osprey]

The solar ring, bombard the cast area with damage

[sturdy trail]

Yeah, start gifting gods, then pick the boon that goes best with your weapon, make sure to RARIFY it with Triangle or whatever the button is for you if you want that boon.

[long osprey]

Pommed it can deal well over 1000 damage per cast, and Chronos seems to like standing in it as well for some reason

Chronos better rue the day I get Heroic Solar Ring

[sturdy trail]

Wait, does Hellsplitter effect the Spinny spin as well? cause isn't the spin based off the attack dmg

[long osprey]

I think Hellsplitter affects the spinny spin too, I usually shred through enemies with it whenever I have it at least

My axe runs without hellsplitter are 90% just spinny spins, poor Melinöe must be dizzy

[solemn thunder]

Has anyone found any good Scorch builds? I can't think of any situations where I'm sure it'd be very good. My current theory is maybe on the Daggers aspect that causes your omega special to seek foes in the cast. Could be a quick way to max out the stacks? (wait, does it stack?)

[cursive knot]

steam builds are probably ok. had an eris run with poseidon attack and hestia cast/special and it melted everything (eos torches)

i really like the cast and the boon that lets you aim it with pan daggers too just because it very quickly lets you target your special

[serene halo]

Yeah special with scorch and hammers that return them to you for 50%+ backstab damage = GG

[sturdy trail]

Yeah daggers would be the way to go. Aspect of Pan > Hookshot + another hammer > Hestia Scorch on Special

[serene halo]

I've had a few wins with this build or staff with special scorch + chaining to enemies + chain lightning GG

[sturdy trail]

Yeah, every instance of dmg stacks up the scorch

[serene halo]

Last Chronos run I had him up to 3000 scorch at all times

[spice crow]

whats a good build for sister blade?\

[cursive knot]

judgement run felt really good ngl first run was an easy win

[serene halo]

the one I just said, the special is OP

[cursive knot]

missed not having boon rerolls early on but it was super nice

[sturdy trail]

Aphrodite's Flutter Strike + Hammer that gives 200% Back stab OR the Omega Attack one that does 400% dmg in an area.

[split igloo]

Best Mel axe build?

Hammers are what I'm curious on mostly

[sturdy trail]

there's some cool hammers. Im experimenting with hell splitter rn. Swaps on your attack pattern for a big chop with 300 base power

So I'm walking around the crossroads rn just one tapping everything with Aphrodites flutter strike

[split igloo]

Is it the same as the one in hades 1?

The other splitter

[sturdy trail]

I never used it much in hades one, but I think its about the same there's a site I found that has a lot of data on it idk if i can post links here

[split igloo]

You can pm me if you want

[sturdy trail]

pm'd

After Aphrodite, which boons would you guys say are good on axe?

[cursive knot]

if you like spinning weed killer is insane

[sturdy trail]

ok ill try that, ty

[hollow dove]

How do you get dark for the thanatos axe? I've had nightmare but no dark

[sturdy trail]

Been trying to figure that out too

Maybe its a Heat thing, like after final boss.

[hollow dove]

Possibly. I've had a chronos clear so I've unlocked heat but only been given nightmare so far

[earnest nacelle]

chaos gives it to you eventually

took me a while to get it

[hollow dove]

From beating him?

[cursive knot]

found on ground in chaos but feels kinda rare. i still need another one for 30 grasp and havent seen in a long time

[earnest nacelle]

chaos, not chronos

[hollow dove]

Ah gotcha

Do you need a specific gathering tool?

[sturdy trail]

Maybe I need to gift Chaos some more

He hasnt given it to me either

[serene halo]

Bro why are the umbral flames so bad lol

[earnest nacelle]

no, it's hand gather like those normal flowers supposedly

[grand prism]

They're not...

[serene halo]

what's a good setup for them then?

[grand prism]

I mean, don't you play what you get? Only time I've had a problem is when I had a setup that forced me to keep the omega special up, while using the aspect that makes it eat your attack. Boxed myself in T_T

[cursive knot]

poseidon attack eos torches feel good but just kinda boring

[grand prism]

I just got to Chronos using them, Apollo attack, Hephestus special, Apollo orbial strike cast. Standard play, use CDs, charge up to Omega attack when possible. Oh, I had the hammer ability on attack that makes its charge one big projectile, that's a really nice one I think.

[serene halo]

Yeah that hammer could be good

[grand prism]

Your special is super spammable. The hammer ability that makes it dissapear after one hit is 100% bait.

Once you have your omega attack rolling, you can use dash attack to reposition while keeping the charge up. You can dash around the whole battlefield without it resetting.

[rare brook]

Yeah, steam seems good on eris, because you can run from her shots and steam will deal with her. Effective with Momus staff too

[inner frigate]

something happens when you spam the boons from one god ?

[slow olive]

Nearly have them all unlocked, but what is everyones favorite arcanna setup? I still have 2, maybe 3 left to unlock.

Currently at 20 Psyche

[summer seal]

Good boons for the skull? Just unlocked it

[limpid raft]

I had a build stacking on the omega spin with zeus, it got me to chronos in 15 min, but it makes it impossible to see any of chronos's animations so I just died instantly there

[jaunty cloak]

Lmao

Good attempt

[tulip heath]

what did you guys run at 24 grasp?

[jaunty cloak]

This question made me wonder if there is a grasp cap

[tulip heath]

well 24 is as high as you can go till you beat the final boss

i've heard people at 30 but I am at least 65% worse at this game than 1 and can't seem to beat Chronos

[jaunty cloak]

I am just being super lazy with my attempts. Just having fun trying different stuff in my runs

[split igloo]

What is grasp

[limpid raft]

Green

[jaunty cloak]

The resources for adding tarot cards

Not unlocking them*

[split igloo]

Psyche?

[jaunty cloak]

Oh wait what.

[split igloo]

That's the green one to add slots

Unless there's something I'm missing

[plain thistle]

Psyche lets you buy grasp

[jaunty cloak]

Ahhh it's psyche you use to unlock. The slots are called grasp

[tulip heath]

The Arcana system feels so confusing to me because I'm so bad at math

[split igloo]

Gotcha

[tulip heath]

i'm sorry i lied I can go go higher

[split igloo]

To be honest I prefer the Hades 1 version

[tulip heath]

I think I'm just gonna grind Pyche tonight and get this higher

[split igloo]

I get its less witchy woo that way but its an easier thing for smoothbrains like me to understand

[jaunty cloak]

I need to grind ashes to actually unlock more tarot

[split igloo]

I need wool

And gapples but no clue where they are

[jaunty cloak]

Final (currently) boss on surface

[tulip heath]

1st surface boss

[split igloo]

||Eris?||

[jaunty cloak]

For G apples yea

[tulip heath]

yup

[split igloo]

Makes sense

[jaunty cloak]

Does it?

[split igloo]

Yeah

[jaunty cloak]

I didnt think it was thematically consistent but maybe I missed something

[split igloo]

||the apple of discord is what Eris threw down which essentially started the trajan war. Its a golden apple.||

[jaunty cloak]

Oh that is great

[split igloo]

Yeah! I like the attention to detail with myths they have

[jaunty cloak]

Is || Icarus || technically a shade?

[split igloo]

||like with narcissus they have him staring into water. Which is related to his love for his own reflection||

[jaunty cloak]

Yea that one I did know

[split igloo]

I gobble up everything greek mythology related lmao

[split igloo]

I suppose he could be, I haven't gotten any of his lines yet, so idk if this is post death.

[jaunty cloak]

I have a handful of times and he doesnt say too much in that regard

[hard musk]

he's definitely ||post death, although it's unclear where he lies on the spectrum of shade to resurrected||

[wanton hare]

Quick question: Am I understanding it correctly that the Poseidon cast boon makes the Poseidon/Hephaestus boon worthless? The Poseidon cast makes the omega cast explode immediately, but the duo adds a blast to the omega cast. Or, does that extra blast actually get added into the omega cast and its on a cooldown like many of Heph's other boons work?

[tulip heath]

@bleak night halp

[split igloo]

If its pre death I'd love if the fates had an easter egg about it somewhere

[bleak night]

What's up ?

[tulip heath]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/253336100586651659/1238627526771998791/image.png?ex=663ff946&is=663ea7c6&hm=b1e9e5ff5d5ff3ffbde79df55d2794dd2268a97ac060001e297be13666271e16& which one for spinning?

[bleak night]

Psychic >>> anything else

[jaunty cloak]

This is what I had assumed also

[tulip heath]

thank you, sorry for the ping

[bleak night]

no problem

[split igloo]

He could have died in between hades 1 and 2

And may not have access yet or something

[wet nova]

Anyone know if you can reroll bones/ashes/grasp room into something useful😭

I’ve done it like 5 times this run and everytime just gotten smth useless

[zenith bolt]

psychic >>> concentrated > furious for the whirlwind axe hammers, imo

[serene halo]

Explosive Intent from Icarus on the Axe is so nice

[zenith bolt]

minor rewards always reroll into minor rewards. likewise, major rewards only reroll into major rewards

[bleak night]

nope, probably same logic as Hades 1. Resources are considered Minor Finds, can only be rerolled into each other. Major Finds are gold, poms, HP, god boons, etc

[median stratus]

if you mean changing the room bonus, then you cannot. minor finds only turn into minor finds (so ashes, grasp, bones, nectar) and major finds into major finds.
however, there's an arcana where you can change a minor find into a major find

[zenith bolt]

https://i.imgur.com/Usq1HED.png

[wet nova]

Ahh so you can’t roll one to the other

I guess cos hades 1 I never ever used the room rerolling one Id never know😂

[median stratus]

well. you can, with the 2nd last arcana in the lowest row

[jaunty cloak]

All kinds of reroll tokens honestly

[zenith bolt]

how many trials are there? i've done 15 so far

[wet nova]

I only ever used boon rerolls in 1

[jaunty cloak]

Room rerolls are big

[grand glacier]

Do we know if the ||Mel and Icarus|| are related is any myth or if it is an invention from SGG ?

[bleak night]

it's one for each aspect out atm

[split igloo]

||I haven't seen much about than, but in mythology he acts a little grim reapery, there's the guy who avoided death, there's a possibility with thanatos occupied he cannot kill anybody else, so people are stuck in a purgatory of sorts. But that's just a theory best suited for another channel I think lmao||

[bleak night]

so none left for now, expect it to be 24 in the future tho

[zenith bolt]

https://i.imgur.com/VGIHHl6.png https://i.imgur.com/PUFEAQW.png

[median stratus]

lul

[bleak night]

first one is the one for testing, no ?

[jaunty cloak]

Wasnt || Moros || picking up the slack there?

[bleak night]

1000 HP, 900 mana. Can't lose. Second one is basically just you being tossed back into your first run

I think the first one is just a tutorial, the rest are aspect trials

[split igloo]

||possibly he might just not be very good at his job? I don't know honestly||

[zenith bolt]

i dont think there's a trial for persephone skull

[neat stirrup]

just picked up argent skull what do you guys use for it?

[bleak night]

oh, I only have 15 in mine as well

[bleak night]

I like putting Apollo into the attack for funni aoe

[split igloo]

||so he is a descendant from Hepheastus, so technically they're related yeah||

[neat stirrup]

i hoenstly love apollo boons in general, i just went with a cast build and it was shredding everything

still lost tho

[jaunty cloak]

He does seem a little preoccupied lol

[zenith bolt]

ok game, if you insist :3 https://i.imgur.com/Og9tHsS.png

[tulip heath]

i'm sad that support fire doesn't trigger off every axe spin

[zenith bolt]

is star dust used in any of the arcana card upgrades?

[jaunty moat]

Yes.

[zenith bolt]

which and how much

[jaunty moat]

i do not remember

[zenith bolt]

[median stratus]

it doesn't? i think it does. but it doesn't trigger for every enemy hit

[bleak night]

you mostly use stardust for animal food

[jaunty moat]

i remember it took 1 s-dust but not which one

[tulip heath]

it seems to just be the first hit

[zenith bolt]

here goes... something https://i.imgur.com/Wo0UYsw.png

[stuck bough]

good boons for medea skull?

[bleak night]

Aphro attack 100%

[tender flint]

what are good boons for aspect of media

and how would I post photos or pictures

[tender flint]

just sawa

[bleak night]

post it on your private discord or something, then open the image on browser and copy the link here

[tender flint]

got it thx

[zenith bolt]

i just have screenshot program upload to an image host (in this case, imgur)

[tender flint]

so you helped me out with arcana cards this is what i went https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/902224616641163354/1238631369098399844/20240510143721_1.jpg?ex=663ffcdb&is=663eab5b&hm=28c5757ed112dca76e107770c9fbb1617c9d4fdcedaa8212c8731b84ca02ddf0&

[earnest nacelle]

He (and Mel), calls himself a shade when you give him enough nectars

[bleak night]

I kinda hate how I can look at it and not instantly tell what each does, so I need to go into my game to see what this does, etc

[tender flint]

yes icarus is a shade

[bleak night]

it needs to have a list mode like the mirror

[tender flint]

yeah i cant wait till they give them a proper image or something

[tall notch]

I think going for -100% healing pact in this game is going to feel a lot easier than Hades 1. Armor isn't healing so you can stack that as much as you want

[sturdy trail]

@long osprey That was it, that was the build. Hell splitter took me to the end of the game and I FINALLY beat that mf. He did take 3 of my Death Defies though 💀

[zenith bolt]

-100% healing is one of the freest picks in hades 1...

[tall notch]

Idk I could never get stubborn defiance to feel good for me and wouldnn't even consider it below 40 heat

[long osprey]

IT’S AS I PROPHECIZED🙌

[tulip heath]

what makes momus busted?

[bleak night]

You can machine gun out your specials

[tulip heath]

which special god goes best?

[bleak night]

Poseidon

[tulip heath]

you're the best

[trim thistle]

has anyone beaten the trial of haste? this difficulty seems ridiculous and way harder than the trial of doom (a 5 eye difficulty)

[bleak night]

No contest atm, just run Poseidon on it and you'll see it being disgusting

[bleak night]

I should do my last 6 trials later

[trim thistle]

i feel like trial of haste wasnt playtested unless im missing something very vital

[zenith bolt]

here's a video of me doing it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAgaZ-t8oxU

[trim thistle]

cause the difficulty is ridiculous compared to trial of doom

[bleak night]

Are you on controller by any chance ?

[zenith bolt]

nope haha

[bleak night]

Ah, alright

I'm still kinda tinkering with reticle speed

[meager wadi]

what are the "weakest testmanets"

[grim salmon]

Ionic Gain (reduce max Magick) plus Spirit Surge (lightning strikes everywhere at low Magick) plus any prime that brings your total below 10 is hilarious

[zenith bolt]

bro this is insane https://i.imgur.com/NnoAYOe.png

[sturdy trail]

The Blue bubble was easy in hades, just have ot hit them once to get their bubble off, I usually just pump 20% dmg otherwise

[sturdy trail]

BRO!?

Chaos being really nice

[meager wadi]

20% dmg to you?

[sturdy trail]

mhm, they all do 20% more dmg to you. So things that hit you for 10 do 12, things that hit for 5 instead do 6, its not that coo coo hard to manage, esp since were always trying not to get hit anyway

[grim salmon]

Currently I can only use my omega attack because the other omegas cost more than my max

[livid reef]

Just got to ||Chronos stage 2|| for the first time ever, and he did 849 damage to me in a single shot? WTF was that?!

[grim salmon]

Just gained thunder sprint, so I can just keep sprinting to keep my Magick under the threshold (I have 4 Magick too much)

[lusty heron]

A oneshot cause you failed a mechanic

Its evadeable

[quick osprey]

Apparently Artemis' death warrant can apply to Hephaestus' attack and special boons. Crazy numbers.

[livid reef]

thanks yeah I figured that much. wtf was it? what did I fail so hard that a completely inevitable oneshot was justified?

[lusty heron]

Was it the clock face in one edge of the arena

[split frigate]

when the screen goes dark, one of the 12 numbers will have a small glowy ring around it - you need to stand on that before the explosion happens or die

[fading kindle]

if it's the one where the screen goes dark, just go to the luminous platform

[lusty heron]

And a big effect going away from it were you have to stand on the clock face

[split frigate]

If it's the concentric rings one, you need to stand in the light area - basically if large portions of the arena suddenly become dark, you need to stand in the light

[limpid raft]

not much of a fan of that fight, it's too much like an mmo raid mechanic

[livid reef]

jfc. I'd only been on the stage for 5 seconds. I didn't even have time to register that there were numbers, or platforms, or glowing rings, or anything

[split frigate]

well now you know!

[lusty heron]

Well yeah thats how it goes its the first mechanic

[limpid raft]

it's similar to the drummer and cerberus

[lusty heron]

I dashed away from it my first time

Cerberus was really simple though

[livid reef]

that seems unnecessarily harsh. I've got 800 hours and 35+ heat on every weapon in 1 and I don't remember ever getting punished THAT hard for a single mistake

[limpid raft]

some of it is confusing on which is the safe part, especially the shrinking one. I keep thinking its going to shrink to the same size safe zone, not just be a line to dash through

[split frigate]

Do you have the role that lets you post in #h2-feedback ? If so, you may want to post your feedback there so the devs can see it

[livid reef]

yeah imma do that. that was a total bs feelbad way to end a run

[cursive knot]

idk if this is intended but if you get heavy metal and rare crop every time it increases in rarity it gives you the armour again

so ive gotten a total of like 500 armour from it this run

[meager wadi]

if you see a god once is it more common throug hte run?

[limpid raft]

If its similar to hades 1, then there are different boon pools, then the boon pool is selected for a room, then a god is selected from that pool, and that god is what shows up when that pool is selected for a room. most of the time

[cunning dove]

Why can I not do any testaments in the oath of unseen with the daggers?

[cursive knot]

i think im going to start taking boon rerolls on judgement runs

got to the encounter before cerberus with no magick gain boon and felt really bad

too spoiled from my default page being a max reroll setup

[bleak night]

only a few weapons showing up in your testament ?

I've only got 3 showing up on mine atm as well, ig it's randomized after every run

[tender flint]

quick question about skull on aspect of medea is fetching array the hammer that returns skulls to you but you lose one specifically i s it good for aspect of medea

[bleak night]

I'm still bad with names when it comes to hammer boons lol

[cursive knot]

holy cow pommed up apollo sprint also feels so sick. You run and reposition so fast its crazy

[cunning dove]

4 are showing up for me, I mainly played daggers so I thought I needed to advance other weapons first maybe but I've done 3/4 testaments with different weapons now and still no dagger there

[tender flint]

i said what it does you lose 1 skull but they return is it good for medea

[bleak night]

probs not, no. Having three charges on you for massive aoe seems too good, especially considering the weapon is melee, so just pick up your weapons

[tender flint]

ok i was thinking same thing

[bleak night]

Only 3 are showing up for me meanwhile, the missing are the Axe, my most played, and the Torches, which I have barely played. seems just fully random ig. Try to do a run then see if they're back to 5

[candid patrol]

Cerebrus has the same mechanic the fight before, just that the safe zone for him is larger.

[cunning dove]

I've done a few runs without luck, its no big deal im just wondering how they work

[dire dome]

what aspect would you guys recommend for Axe? unable to get Nightmares yet, havent beaten Chronos yet x_x

[wet nova]

Has anyone else encountered the bug when phasing chronos during his spin attack where you just get sucked in and take full damage as if you were getting hit by it?

[dire dome]

yeap

[spare kite]

anyone wanna test a bug with me (needs the judgement card unlocked)

[wet nova]

Only time I got hit the entire run was that otherwise would’ve been a 0 damage chronos😭

Like im deadass behind the guy and he 180s when he phases with the tornado spin attack

[spare kite]

tl;dr kill sirens, have the hex that revives a mob
if it revives a siren then judgement will proc again after the siren dies

[wet nova]

That’s a confirmed bug I believe

[twin stag]

Aphrodite worksw very well on main/attack, or zeus or apollo, its mainly about your playstyle and daedalus hammers. you could also go for special build with demeter and doublecast. try it out and see what fits your style. i am realy enjoying the spin to win build.

[wet nova]

You can get nightmares without beating him I thought

[dire dome]

can you???

how

[spare kite]

broker only sells them after you get one I think (same for charon at the end)

[heavy flame]

Demeter attack is pretty good on axe. Gives you time to get into omega or further into attack chain

[dire dome]

whats the go-to for the spin to win build? im kinda sick of getting all the way to Chronos then just getting shttd on lmao

[dire dome]

ah thank you

[heavy flame]

Hestia is also good for magika regen

[twin stag]

for me nightmares became available after i beat Chronos, both from the challenge mode and broker unlocked after beating Chronos

[tulip heath]

Rapid moonfire or Shimmerimg moon shot for mormos?

[tender flint]

for aspect of medea which one https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238644696583241861/1238644776044335235/20240510170843_1.jpg?ex=66400957&is=663eb7d7&hm=05b9686d6b6375df47dabfc2db55938c77c698797024ad577eb7bcdd66080fce&

[twin stag]

i usually go apollo/zeus on attack and use aphrodites manaregen+always weak for double dip card

[dire dome]

thank you

[twin stag]

and then get faster omega casts/attack while using omega attack from daedalus

[spare kite]

also if we are speaking axe I pretty much just do aph
either go hell splitter (combo becomes 300 dmg hit) + last hit repeats twice for 20 mp
or if you go spin you mainly want the one that lets you attack during the spin, bc then you can start another spin during one

[heavy flame]

Why zues attack? It does so much damage already

[gleaming flame]

Hmmmmm this has been fun so far https://gyazo.com/a54b1b9be9f4e9421debeef74976b0fe

[twin stag]

with thanatos axe i usually crit all the time for 1200+ and keep the buff up because stuff dies before they can get a hit in.

after the core, focus on haephestus/demete for more hp and getting hit for less. it really helps

[dire dome]

bet ty

[dire dome]

so do you just only use spin or do you use right click / held right click too?

[spare kite]

oh yeah Heph special is nice to bust armor so it's safe to commit your attack

[wet nova]

Doing the fear system and defeating certain bosses with it, chronos is only after like fear 20

[spare kite]

fear system is unlocked post chronos

[wet nova]

Wait it is? Oh dont even rmr mb

[spare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/717361358081097748/1238639873108476055/image.png?ex=664004c6&is=663eb346&hm=82276746c439c48b9487e4de9f34a1ec87af5cc2af01a3482daba4fbfe979580& 2k a hit

[twin stag]

i posted a scrnshot of my first win in the victory boast channel.

[cursive knot]

does anyone else feel like chaos gates more rare than in h1?

[tender flint]

aspect of medea anyone know which is the besthttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238644696583241861/1238644776044335235/20240510170843_1.jpg?ex=66400957&is=663eb7d7&hm=05b9686d6b6375df47dabfc2db55938c77c698797024ad577eb7bcdd66080fce&

[vestal bear]

It's weird
I rarely see them, but this one I swear I got offered three

[tender flint]

i see them a lot

[spare kite]

I mostly see them with the light of ixion

[tender flint]

i also always go chaos keepsake since its OP

[gleaming flame]

I get them pretty regularly and honestly I feel like I get light of ixion offered a lot more

[zenith bolt]

yoo i beat 16 fear underworld

[twin stag]

depends on your build. i usually go for more skulls/bigger xplosion. but pick somethign that suits your dmgboons

[spare kite]

Chaos keepsake is so fun in this game

[keen cosmos]

Tbh I barely ever find Chaos in H1

[zenith bolt]

https://i.imgur.com/LEkDy52.jpeg i fear my shift key is giving out, i'm having problems dashing and i don't think it's the game

[tender flint]

by more skulls do you mean loomin lemment as to where they grow for 2 seconds cause faster special means faster dps

[vestal bear]

Yeah true

[twin stag]

of these 3 i;d pick the bottom one and se if i can get like an apolly or somehting that does big/heavy splash dmg

[tender flint]

k ok ill try

[tender flint]

i put aphro on attack since im going to be close anyway

[twin stag]

what works really well on attack spam is poseidon on attack , fire lady on cast and then fish for the dualboon. it does so much aoe clear and stazck up spammable dps on bosses

aphro works too, its all about the multipliers/combo you can get beyond the 1st pick

[jolly bramble]

i can never time this right so that i deal damage on enemies

[tender flint]

got it thanks

[long osprey]

Hera boons are so goated

[maiden island]

Hii! I mainly use the flames and I was wondering if anyone has any super strong builds they’ve used? Or boons that really benefit the flames, thanks!

[jolly bramble]

best mana regen

[slate zodiac]

@bleak night After learning about the Omega Attack dash gimmick you told me about the weapon feels so much better now

[dire dome]

any good builds for Aspect of Melinoe Sister Blades? what heirlooms / arcana cards / etc. should i go for?

[tall notch]

0 mana fear pact and Zeus chain lightning + the thing that strikes enemies with lightning when you don't have mana

[jolly bramble]

you want the hera mana regen. poseidon and apollo on main is good, demeter on cast

[twin stag]

just try to use the arcane card that does bonusdmg when you dmg a target afflicted by 2 debuffs, and pair aphro with ice/zeus/apollo/hestia and you should see a massive increase in dmg esp the freeze/daze help with survival. as aphro ahs enough dmg if ur close and spamming attack

[jolly bramble]

basically try to get 2 different curses so that your damage gets augmented by the 2 curse arcana. makes it less annoying to clear room from the low damage

tho going full hera and also getting the hitch damage spread isnt a bad idea

[twin stag]

I love hitch with the blades for some reason hitch doesnt really work when ur damaging allt he mobs with an aoe like axe/skulls

[maiden island]

That’s fair a lot of my runs have been getting a crazy cracked cast with hestia or Zeus and I just zone, I feel like the flames arent crazy strong they just got my playstyle well haha

[jolly bramble]

and yes, abuse the fact that torches can dash and cast while channeling your main. get used to rebinding the main attack for easier runs ig

[glad nova]

Do apollo/poseidon have any curse?

[spare kite]

Daze/slippery

[jolly bramble]

apollo has daze, poseidon has slip

[glad nova]

Oh yeah, ty

[twin stag]

flames can be crazy if u get the %scorch converted to damage or the fast burn legendary boon. or the xplode on death also works for rooms. sadly not that rgeat for bosses

[maiden island]

Also! I don’t have any pics but today I had the craziest build. It was Thanatos axe with Zeus cast and hestia so they took DOT and massive burst from Zeus. I think I killed Hecate with 5-6 casts

It was really busted, I’ll try to replicate it again

[strange kite]

whats the fastest clear people have been doing?

[lime rain]

@dire dome for the swords, use explosive ambush for 400% damage on omega attack plus weed killer for another 100% I believe. Then anything to boost backstab damage and you will shred everything

[jolly bramble]

mfw you get 2 legendaries on a run... on the surface

[twin stag]

@maiden island do u have thanatos maxxed yet? because the crit buff carries over form room to room. eventually wiht the right boons u can just do 1 whirl per phase

[maiden island]

Not maxed yet, but i have it level 2 I think

[twin stag]

nice, i finally maxxed it. and 20% raw crit when not taqking dmg is insane. seeing over 1200 on bosses w/o aphro etc

[spare kite]

Yeah Than's aspect is fun
Charon looks fun on paper but is weird to make it work

[jolly bramble]

fastest i saw in #h2-victory-boasting is 15 min and 30-ish seconds

[twin stag]

on my last run i took Chronos to phase 2 in 3 omega attacks just because he goes immune for adds. but its insane how crazy it can scale with some modifiers

[tired orbit]

Whew. Got my first Cronus win. Staff+double special hammer+level 10 Apollo special and damage stacking.

[twin stag]

i did a surface run in 12 mins, and i think my fastest for chronos is sub 20 atm

[strange kite]

damn that’s the fastest? i was doing 15 minutes easily in hades 1.

[twin stag]

thats on heat 4+

[strange kite]

speedrun 3 is gonna be a really hard heat

[tired orbit]

The speeder pact looks like a decent challenge here, unless I gitgud

[jolly bramble]

i mean you can scour the victory boasting channel and look at the clear speeds. but a lot of it is first win clears, so...

[strange kite]

it was a really good heat choice in hades 1 for getting to heat 32 but i dont think it’ll be viable here

[twin stag]

but i thinks depending on the modifiers you pick it can go faster. i lose a lot of time because i picked the revenant one. and its annoying but tryin to get used ot it for when i get to higher heat

[zenith bolt]

well, i suppose that tracks https://i.imgur.com/uWJlymC.png

[strange kite]

i mean it’s like as a scrub on eris rail it was so easy to go fast but as a scrub here i get insanely high clear times even if i get good hammers. over 20 minutes.

any good aspects? something as insane as eris rail?

[zenith bolt]

i had a room in tartarus on my most recent run and it was a two god room and it literally went on for minutes bc dudes just kept spawning

[desert shell]

Which hammers are best for skull? I'm stuck between destructive array, sudden driver, and twisting crash

[strange kite]

that can reliably pump out high deeps and zoom

[wet nova]

5min per region is gonna be damn near impossible

[zenith bolt]

i am not using time restrictions in this mf 😭 https://i.imgur.com/fq6qBdQ.png

[distant ocean]

I haven't played with skulls that much, everyone's hyping them up alot tho, guess I gotta

[zenith bolt]

tbf this was also "i literally didn't get weed killer until 2 rooms from chronos", but still

[spare kite]

Skulls are so fun

[strange kite]

no lie it’s pretty frustrating how slow i am

[distant ocean]

I like how they're zoom zoom

[strange kite]

i was expecting after getting half the arcanas i would be back to dunking on kronos with my eyes closed but i havent figured this game out and it’s so early there’s no like speedrun guide out there

[ancient sluice]

Spiteful strength boon is hard to use as you most certainly already have a boon on special and attack at the point you get this duo boon. You'd need to get reed of it I guess but can't do without the incantation and the fountain

[wet nova]

By speedrun you mean for high heat or none?

[strange kite]

low heat speedrun

[wet nova]

There are quite a few op combos

[strange kite]

but also i like to go fast in high heat too just with my eyes open

[wet nova]

Like stuff so op chronos doesn’t even attack

[strange kite]

are they reliable to get? like not duo boon stuff

[wet nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/938077229206876223/1238574428422668301/FastestChronosKillSoFar.mp4?ex=663fc7d3&is=663e7653&hm=7ba59db3bde003fe4f3d39e76ce32de0ea797467afa0424f9927708bf22df4e8&

This is my fastest kill on him

20 heat so not that low, but I had the life % one maxed I believe so the total damage needed is the same

[spare kite]

What the-

[zenith bolt]

how much attack speed dude

[wet nova]

I rebind special to mouse button 1 for staff😂

[spare kite]

Also is there a codex upgrade for boon lists yet or nah

[wet nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/938077229206876223/1238574521880150053/image.png?ex=663fc7e9&is=663e7669&hm=800849e953c51b0812a8a193938d24c69a5969fe67ddd873f481fb2d14ffd502& idk how much it was but it should be somewhere there

[zenith bolt]

yea there is

[strange kite]

jesus. i wish i could get a heroic boon

[wet nova]

You upgrade the epic using the keepsake

Only way to reliably get it tbh

[strange kite]

i dont even have epic boons lul

[spare kite]

King tide is such a fun legendary

[steep agate]

Did anybody managed to make a good hestia build? I tried a knives special build. Huge scorch numbers, but no actual damage...

[wet nova]

I tried to get it for my 32 heat run but didn’t so the run lasted like 2 mins longer

[wet nova]

You need the 300 damage explosion for it to even remotely work tbh

[strange kite]

also is the build still fast if u dont get the double special shot hammer? it feels very slow when i did a run and only got attack speed

[clear quartz]

does aphrodite weakness mana regen thing always affect hecate? like can it switch when she spawns minions? and does it always lock on to the real one when she splits?

[strange kite]

or is there a pivot for momus if u dont get the special 2 shot?

[wet nova]

I don’t ever use omega with this build

So I disable all arcanas that buff omegas, and also don’t take anything for omega

[strange kite]

ik i can tell

[steep agate]

I had the the 300 damage explosion at heroic + 2, so a 110% dmg explosion. It still didn't do much damage, at least not as much as just a simple poseidon build

[strange kite]

but like what im worried is what if i dont roll the special hammer

[wet nova]

Like for me whether I used momus or anything else shouldn’t really matter cos I use Poseidon special

[strange kite]

theres one thats decent which is 25% speed

[wet nova]

The main damage of this build comes from Poseidon special + Zeus static shock

[strange kite]

but without the slam dunk on the special is it better to stay on special or switch to attack?

[wet nova]

That’s good too, also if you get Hermes special speed

[strange kite]

also did u turn on the +rare boon% thing?

[wet nova]

Idk I don’t really like being close ranged in this game😂😭

[strange kite]

yeah not having 2 dashes makes close range scuffed as hell

[tall notch]

Same! Staying at range also feels fitting for Mel. She's a witch. She wants to cast her magic from far away

[strange kite]

it feels all messed up cuz in 1 zag on bow and gun is like all up close but mel has to run away

i dont like running away. i wanna dash in and punch em

[spare kite]

I haven't played much at range tbh
Aphro attack addict

[strange kite]

or point blank shoot em

[wet nova]

I basically used entire row with the rare boon on it, epic boon got triggered aswell as duo boon gets triggered automatically. Then you’ve also got damage inside casts and death defiance + immune shield 3x

[tall notch]

She had some duo which let her bonus damage trigger regardless of range. I think it was with Zeus? Not 100% sure

[wet nova]

With Poseidon and Yh it’s crazy op😂😭

[strange kite]

okay. i guess i better work on unlocking more arcanas then

[spare kite]

Is the pos duo but I barely go for duos rn, I just have fun with chaos keepsake after erebus

[jolly bramble]

me dashing in with torches cuz my brain goes gungho

[spare kite]

(mainly so I can get the gathering boon lmfao)

[wet nova]

Realistically if you just have Poseidon on fast firing things with Zeus static shock most builds can do really good

[strange kite]

1 dash sucks so much for melee

i was thinking either i max out momus or pan

before i try for heat 32. and maybe do some other upgrades

[wet nova]

Pan for sure

[strange kite]

pan is easier?

[twin stag]

Pan ftw, the combo is too good for both rooms and bosses

[cursive knot]

YES i finally got last darkness i need after like 15 hours

[zenith bolt]

im so sad that the arcana card keepsake is garbo

[wet nova]

Staff special is only easier because it doesn’t ever require close range, but for pan if you don’t get a cast that’s ranged deployed

[zenith bolt]

is melinoe special spam better or worse than eos attack spam for flames

[strange kite]

i assume i still force poseidon rather than force zeus. in theory i could force both in exchange for my free chaos

[wet nova]

Special spam is higher fire rate but less base damage so Poseidon better for it

[tall notch]

Eos attack has range and actually stuns enemies so I'd take that over the special

[strange kite]

chaos is such a big gamble anyways

[zenith bolt]

fair enough

[wet nova]

I usually go Poseidon first region, Zeus second, then for third I either choose the hammer keepsake or the arcana activation one

[zenith bolt]

i guess hera magick is the way to go for eos? since you get like 0 magick regen while attacking

[strange kite]

who gives hammer keepsake? i havent seen that one even when i try to look it up

[zenith bolt]

icarus

[wet nova]

The thing is it still resets your attack I believe

[strange kite]

where can i find icarus ?

[zenith bolt]

rift of thessaly randomly like artemis

[wet nova]

On the ships of Thessaly

[strange kite]

god damn guess more overworld runs for me

[wet nova]

Hammer one is insanely good because if you start in the fields with it you can last till chronos

[zenith bolt]

cant wait for surface to be finished and boss 3 and 4 of it are even more busted than eris is

[wet nova]

20 encounters duration at max level

[strange kite]

siiick

im hoping to complete heat 32 before my 48th run to beat my hades 1 result

[tall notch]

If you highroll room skips it's possible to activate in Oceanus and keep for Chronos

[wet nova]

You assume there’s a 3 and 4? It’s like 33 locations until eris😭

[zenith bolt]

i dont think eris is that hard from a attack complexity standpoint, but i think her major thing is that she's so insanely punishing, moreso than chronos at times

[wet nova]

You want us to have a half an hr run

[zenith bolt]

maybe just 3 then haha

[spare kite]

What does the hammer keepsake do?

[wet nova]

Naa tbf if you get Charybdis while doing a tight deadline run it’s peak

[strange kite]

eris also is instant so u have to preposition cuz theres no reactable windup telegraph

[wet nova]

Grants random hammer for 10-20 encounters

[spare kite]

Funny

[wet nova]

It’s because staying at range for her isn’t really useful aswell you are better off always staying close than running too

[strange kite]

it sounds really good for adding another shot at getting a good hammer even if its random cuz hammer rng is the most impactful thing in every run

yeah unless shes standing in the fire…

then ur only option is cover

[cursive knot]

holy cow cerberus is hard with the double speedup

and chaos boon making me slower

[strange kite]

imagine cerb with zag. so easy with double dodge

[cursive knot]

honestly i dont mind the single dash much

[strange kite]

LUL yeah thats doomed

single dash is the bane of my existence

[spare kite]

Single dash is fine

[strange kite]

unironically everything that mel gets over zag is outweighed by zag’s double dash

[zenith bolt]

i was a single dash truther in hades 1 so

[strange kite]

dash is damage. dash is invincibility

[cursive knot]

eh i mean you are still very mobile and can one shot bosses

i think its good that they play differently

[spare kite]

I don't mind it bc double dash leads into oops all dash strike gaming

[strange kite]

hey i just did chiron bow and eris rail at melee range

[zenith bolt]

how are people feeling abt skull aspects? i havent played with the skull much so idk if it's heat

[open pawn]

Loving Aspect of Medea for the ardent skull

[dense osprey]

Aspect of Medea Skull with Aphro attack

• 2 shells
  and the hammer that makes you shells fire all at once
  Wow I feel like am playing hades 1 with this mobility and damage

[spare kite]

I like the mel aspect, Persephone's is kinda ?? And haven't unlocked the other

[strange kite]

being able to dash dodge everything is so crazy good. 0 downtime in shooting. while mel has to take her sweet time running around the place.

actually i think that might be the biggest reason why the runs take so long

mel sprint is useful but her overall uptime while moving and dodging is low

[cursive knot]

i mean its also been out for a few days so people probably have not really dialed in going fast at all

[strange kite]

i still love apollo sprint for letting me zoom

[spare kite]

Sprint speed is so good (and fun)

[cursive knot]

you can absolutely clear rooms fast. sprint speed also does feel mega fun

[strange kite]

u can i guess

its just not as easy to speed clear stuff in act 3 and 4 without something like tidal dash

1 boon insane room clear.

theres a part of me that really likes the 100% uptime nonstop attacking melee that iframes through every single attack. and single dash makes that very hard in some cases cuz u need to play perfect to do that.

its a lot easier to like dash away from cerb that to try to iframe the slam somehow

has anyone got the timing down for cerb slam iframe?

[wet nova]

Idt it’s possible cos doesn’t he hit twice?

[strange kite]

thats what im thinking too but there has to be a way right?

[tulip heath]

wait am I stupid? is Momus or Moros the busted one?

[wet nova]

I just thought you gotta go to back

[strange kite]

momus staff

[tulip heath]

ok

[strange kite]

the issue is sometimes cerberus turns to me and immediately slams and i dont get far enough

so cerb fights sometimes i just get hit by slam and it suuux

[tulip heath]

I made it to chronos with full DD with momus then didn't make it to phase 2

[strange kite]

like i dont know if i should be dodging into cerb in that case or just react faster

[tulip heath]

whats the build to do with torches these days

[spare kite]

Oh yeah what does the cat familiar do
Haven't got them yet

[strange kite]

i havent even unlocked fishing lul

[minor notch]

extra dd, fishing, and attacks when you sprint by it

[tulip heath]

all I know is an extra DD

[minor notch]

for 99

[strange kite]

the minor finds rewards are sooo low its so sad. still need to unlock cat and upgrade it

[cursive knot]

first time with the double speedup made to chronos but died cause lost all my dds on cerb

[distant ocean]

frinos, hypmotize

https://tenor.com/view/notorious-big-biggie-shake-biggie-dance-dance-gif-16272853

[crimson wave]

"So slow with one dash!" ok but consider: epic blinding sprint

[cursive knot]

feel like apollo sprint would be soo nice with double vow of fury

[strange kite]

i mean theres a clear weakness to sprint and that is the lack of uptime and the lack of iframes.

even if mel gets across the map fast the issue is more about oh can i keep attacking while spamming dodges and easily iframing through everything while adding additional dodge boon damage.

[willow agate]

anyone beat 55 fear?

[strange kite]

LUL certainly not. the extreme high end heat levels are the kind of stuff that just cant be reasonably done without insane amount of practice and planning

[somber cobalt]

is there a complete list of boons anywhere? the ones i could find dont even have hera

[dawn cape]

So, I'm guessing the final downward boss has time slowdown immunity?

[jolly bramble]

ye. makes phase shift useless

[dawn cape]

I had a cheese build of the "spam 2 50 mana specials, then activate dark mode and be invulnerable, repeat" variety which worked on normal enemies because the dark form hex slows time, but it didn't work on the final boss because he's a better time master