h2-builds-and-combat

[wise wadi]

wait aspects?? lmao i dint know we got aspects yet. IG rn the normal one

[bleak night]

Oh, then you could go for Poseidon Specials all the same. Demeter ones are pretty good, too

[wise wadi]

alrighty

[bleak night]

tips for Sister Blades ?

I'm not very good at them and the Torches

oh, @thin lantern Tips on Torches ? Iirc you like using em

[light quiver]

easiest build with blades I've had is going for the 300% final hit and aphrodite.

save rerolls to get maruder and anything that increases swing speed to spam the final attack more

[thorn bronze]

Aphro attack on artemis blades is kinda insane

[bleak night]

I might be going Pan since my worst playstyle is melee with no shielding

[thin lantern]

Haven't played them a lot yet, I just find them fun

[bleak night]

so idk if Aphro is good to run when doing Pan Blades

[stiff locust]

me fr

[bleak night]

@gusty lichen It's the ||Hera||-Poseidon duo

[gusty lichen]

[hollow mirage]

What do people think is the best attack boon for the axe?

Two I've used so far is Demeter and Zeus. I like Hephaestus special with vent to occasionally tap for 1k damage while whirlwind with Blitz

[light quiver]

Aprodite + 300 power single attack is very fun. Arguably not the best, but very strong.

heph is probably the most reliable because of how safe it is. Tap and run away.

[thin lantern]

Apollo is very fun but not the absolute strongest. But tons of QoL.

[hollow mirage]

Will have to try both out

[dusty dust]

gg its the chiron bow of hades 2 lmao

[cursive knot]

Demeter spinny build was really fun with her boon that boosts omega attacks

[hollow mirage]

yo what's this build?

[cursive knot]

Feels a bit hammer dependent though

[hollow mirage]

Is the lock on special a hammer or aspect?

[dusty dust]

both

[cursive knot]

Pan aspect locks on to whatever is in your cast

Is cracked got my first two clears with it

[hollow mirage]

nice

How'd that person get two chant infusions?

[dusty dust]

wait you're right

lol it really is the chiron of this game

[brazen wigeon]

what does the rock, fire etc icons on the boons really do?

[dreamy inlet]

ok i just dont understand, i did heccate(?) fight more than 10 times now, i have yet to even once dodge hex, HOW
what are you supposed to do to dodge it?

[tacit silo]

Someone got a good Twin blades build?

[light quiver]

They're elemental values, certain powerful boons have requirements of you being 'infused' with a certain number of element(s).

[dusty dust]

theres only one way to consistently do it, which is to dodge back and forth against it

[cursive knot]

I find it easiest to go back and forth dashing through it

[tacit silo]

This

You even get a nice dialogue from her if you manage to do it

[light quiver]

||Your familiar can tank the hit.|| I'm also pretty sure the projectile can hit enemies she spawns, given I heard a dialogue that sounded like that

[dreamy inlet]

i tried this specifically many times but often they dont spawn near you enough or fast enough and the projectile just gets you quicker

also am i the only one hating on torches? its the only weapon i dislike, its really boring to me and feels the worst out of them all in therms of gameplay

[light quiver]

the first is by far the easiest and most reliable. They will actively try to jump in the way.

watch how they move and get behind them ASAP.

[thin lantern]

torches are the most hated weapon in the game, but absolute loathing seems reserved for controller players who basically have an unplayable brick of a weapon

[light quiver]

They're not bad, objectively. They do a decent amount of damage. They are by and far the only weapon I've felt like has a mind of it's own, though.

Sometimes they'll just decide to target an enemy miles away instead of the person right infront of me.

cursor placement is purely optional

What god keepsake should I run for a pam dagger build? Apollo for the cast?

[frail jasper]

Really basic build would be a special damage increase, the hook knives hammer and then a bunch of channel speed increases. Twice I have made the build and those two times are the only times I reached chronos (although I am not the best at the game)

[thin lantern]

targeting is perfectly fine for me on kbm. you on keyboard or controller?

[light quiver]

kbm.

[frail jasper]

the sheepify? dash through it

[split igloo]

dash back and forth through it or drag it into frinos

[thin lantern]

the fact that you can just frinos it is hilarious

also, man, Moros torches do absurd damage actually

[light quiver]

yeah. they're by and far the highest/consistent early DPS

[thin lantern]

There is actually a funny interaction, the Origin Helix hammer makes them super safe

You just plop down an omega special near the boss then launch shades at it from afar

[dreamy inlet]

dont tell me that KBM players can hit and move backwards with it????????????
im using a controller, yes, the weapon is a total brick right now if it works like that for KBM and controller players can only aim where they move

yeah i just tested it, KBM weapon absolutely

[split igloo]

EA diff

[thin lantern]

yeah it needs a control rework for controller

[dreamy inlet]

well i think they should at least remove it from dark thirst rotation then :/

[bleak night]

channel speed does sound really good for spamming knife tosses, yeah

[thin lantern]

Holy crap. I'm somehow absolutely destroying stuff with Moros, and Demeter common special/Heph rare attack is not supposed to be this good

[river moon]

right now I am running skull with aphro on the special and hera on attack and mainly spam the charged special yet I still get rolled by Chronos. Does anyone have any tips for them? I am also using aspect of Persephone

[crimson quail]

Are any of the sprint boons good? so far only the fire one looks decent (that destroys projectiles) so idk

[thin lantern]

apollo's is great, ZOOM

[crimson quail]

Makes you daze enemies right?

[light quiver]

Hermes is good. Eats damage.

Dementer's freezes anything that gets too close to you.

[bleak night]

you enjoying the Special Spam ?

[crimson quail]

Sounds like youre just setting yourself up to eat damage lol

[light quiver]

Hermes is good because it negates damage no matter how much it is. You can use it to tank the near instakill attacks some bosses have to avoid having to wait to attack them.

[bleak night]

get Aphro's because it's not a Sprint boon, it's a Dash one from Hades I

[crimson quail]

I havent played a whole lot yet but youre talking about the one that makes them do less dmg and stuff rigjt

[bleak night]

yep, yep

[thin lantern]

Special spam? What? It's Moros. I'm launching like six+ marshmallows and blowing them up to do mega damage.

[thin lantern]

Isn't it once per encounter or something?

Oh, oh, Moros can actually cook something CRAZY with Hephaestus boons. If you get an Epic+ Heph attack and enough poms, you can set it up in such a way that you basically get Heph's duo boon off one attack. Hit with marshmallow = hammer, wait for cooldown, detonate marshmallow = hammer

Stack that with Vent and the actual duo boon and you can create a real minefield

[bleak night]

confused it with Momus mb lol

[tough vapor]

Whats yalls favourite weapons, i cant stop using the axe, the heavy high dmg weighty attacks just click well in my brain, either weapon beyond the first 4 have similar vibes if big attacks?

[thin lantern]

Hephaestus attack, Apollo special, and... I think the duo boon in question might be Thermal Dynamics or Funeral Pyre. Which one was the one that made Heph boons proc twice if timed right?

[cinder bane]

I'm early in the game, but the daggers are about the only ones I find usable.

The staff isn't too bad

[tough vapor]

See i dont like them because they feel very short and small to me, its a preferance thing i guess

[bleak night]

I split my time between Axe and Wand, Skull 3rd

[split igloo]

I started replacing the Embryo with the Pin every time I get an op Chaos boon from it. And omg.

[bleak night]

a lot of new keepsake swap techniques atm

There's one that gives you a temporary hammer boon for 20 encounters, but equipping it after Scylla means you have it for the rest of the run

[forest mortar]

Romantic spark is the new merciful end huh

[bleak night]

which one is that one ?

[thin lantern]

Which Melinoe aspects are the best?

[bleak night]

Axe still has a place since it spins faster than the Than one

[split igloo]

Oh, because it's not going to end until after Chronos afterwards lol?

[forest mortar]

Aphro+zeus, sprinting into enemies with blitz makes it go off (and also stronger)

[bleak night]

charges faster **

[bleak night]

Yeah, you take that 3rd hammer boon into the Chronos fight

[thin lantern]

...also, uh, is it just me or does the Charon axe swing faster than the normal Mel one

very very slightly, I mean

[bleak night]

didn't feel much of a difference, you probably just see more damage because of the crit chance

[thin lantern]

no, just swinging at air. also charon doesn't have crit

[split igloo]

Also wow, the Hephaestus sprint boon is overpowered on a Magick build...

[thin lantern]

What's good for a Skull build?

[bleak night]

Apollo attack for the most part

[thin lantern]

What about special?

I am. Desperately trying to break my reliance on Apollo, lmao.

[bleak night]

I never put too much thought into the special, but Demeter always works so you can choose to rush into the enemies you've been pelting projectiles at and stun them while you get your ammo back

[forest mortar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1237107738379817092/1238079798648242197/Screenshot_20240509_114621_Opera_GX.jpg?ex=663dfb2a&is=663ca9aa&hm=b031728b9ef851a94cdad329b487f7f250fb2c0dfb0271114508b544bb10508f& this is so messed up I love it

[thin lantern]

Hera seems to absolutely chunk nonbosses, come to think of it

my bad, meant not-bosses.

[pastel lagoon]

Honestly this sounds really fun with the way Hera's boons interact with levelling up boons

[mint cedar]

It’s a bit strange that the best remote cast boon needs you to reach hades

[forest mortar]

I'm already anticipating all the commentary from zeus and hera when you get this boon offered

[mint cedar]

Hestia is is better than anticipated

[pastel lagoon]

She's honestly been my favourite to use

[thin lantern]

+2 shells is kind of the must-pick for Mel's aspect of the skull, right

[mint cedar]

I just don’t like it on my funny big attack damage weapon

[bleak night]

that or -1 shell, but you never have to pick them up ever again, they just return

[thin lantern]

why that? that goes against Mel's aspect buff

[blazing sonnet]

Zeus's cast is the most broken boon I've ever seen. I beat Cronos 2 times using it alone💀

[bleak night]

oh, right Mel's is the +20 for each shot used up in the ammo total

then yeah, 5 ammo is a good one for it, yeah

[thin lantern]

Her entire aspect thing is more damage the bigger the difference between your total and current mag. Wouldn't that just nerf your final shell? If you get both at once though it may be ok

100 power on the final skull sounds like fun

Spam four and charge the fifth maybe.

[bleak night]

ngl I just get by with skull by spamming attacks and keeping distance

I don't even charge it up or anything

[pastel lagoon]

I just like hitting button a lot so if there's a boon that lets me do that I'll always love it

[thin lantern]

Skull's core CORE loop seems to be spam your skulls and dash toward them to collect

But it absolutely needs a manual recall imo

[sturdy crescent]

Hello quit struggle with the staff in Chronos area (he kill me cause i dont pass the dps check), do you have any tips with boons to choose ?

[blazing sonnet]

No it doesn't

[bleak night]

what staff are you using, the basic one ?

[sturdy crescent]

y

[thin lantern]

When your skulls get yote out of bounds, it kinda does.

[bleak night]

when I use the basic one, I go for attack boons and magick regen so I can spam the Omega Attacks from a safe distance

[thin lantern]

Oceanus is agonizing for skulls

[blazing sonnet]

The only time they go out of bounds is on the final area going down to Chronos

[thin lantern]

Oceanus pools and that area. And possibly Eris fight, the beach is not a collision boundary

[blazing sonnet]

I get it against Eris

[thin lantern]

Would be nice to have a recall though. Even if it takes a while.

[blazing sonnet]

I just died to her using them because of how big the map is as well

There are boons to make them recall instantly but they give you only two charges if I remember correctly

[thin lantern]

Yeah. It's just that rail felt better with the option

Is it just me who really loves the skull charged attack, though, simply because... hello again, Galleon Mortar

[blazing sonnet]

I don't mind any weapon I use

I've even won using that ghost weapon which I find stupid

[bleak night]

charged skull attack is really good with both Apollo Attack and his Legendary, but you did say you're trying to not rely on his boons too much lol

[blazing sonnet]

The omega cast is the most broken skill you can have imo. I think it'll get nerfed

[thin lantern]

oh just the keepsake.

it's maxed and it's always tempting over leveling others

[bleak night]

ah, I see

I really hate how it counts Chaos Trials as losses https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/778505838003879938/1238084491508056154/image.png?ex=663dff89&is=663cae09&hm=c4069bdc6269a6d32588a20cbb7d12419c3802f91542c5a32a3e29ef9906b102&

[thin lantern]

lmao

[hidden kindle]

Does anyone know if Coarse Grit (Maximum damage you take is 15) affects insta-kills?

[thin lantern]

Yes. It affects EVERYTHING so far. You can literally stand in Chronos' nuke and laugh.

It is the single most OP boon in the game and there's no way that isn't getting nerfed

[hidden kindle]

awesome, thanks!

[thin lantern]

get that 32 fear coarse grit clear before it's gone

[bleak night]

32 Fear Eris took out one of my 275 HP bars from full once

[hidden kindle]

was not expecting that Demeter's Legendary boon works on bosses wow

[thin lantern]

what's harder, Eris or Chronos on 32

holy crap the axe chaos trial is funny

[split igloo]

chronos. soot sprint still works on 32 fear

[thin lantern]

can you get coarse grit on the surface right now without the three-room god in the city being an earth god?

[cinder palm]

I love its attack just stand close to the enemy and you can just spam it lol

[thin lantern]

come on and slam, and welcome to the jam?

[cinder palm]

Actually I kinda like torches aspect lol

The detonate one is so satisfying combined with hera attack

[thin lantern]

yee

[cinder palm]

Basically them showing us plebs how to make a build lol

[thin lantern]

I love the one-eye chaos trials. They're such a power trip

[white steppe]

meanwhile trial of doom

[visual flume]

i didn't really use the normal attack with charon, just spam the cast nuke once I get the mana regen for it

[thin lantern]

what's Trial of Doom? I don't have it yet

is it some kinda tight deadline hellscape

[white steppe]

no, that's trial of haste where you have 5 mins to clear fields of mourning and cerb with a staff omega attack build

[thin lantern]

oh lmao.

[white steppe]

trial of doom is basically you have to no damage oceanus + sirens with thanatos axe and demeter attack

[hidden kindle]

Is it me or Demeter lacks the damage?

[white steppe]

i say basically, you have 25 hp, moros' keepsake, apollo's perfect image boon

the thing you're praying on is to roll the hestia boon that gives up a boon for more HP since hestia is in your pool from the start

[thin lantern]

ahahahaha that's hilarious, but also evil

[white steppe]

with the boon that lowers your hp for mana regen

[visual flume]

what's wrong with demeter's damage

[white steppe]

how does that keepsake progress? more time before you drop dead? i may have to level it before doing that trial

[smoky anchor]

please do not bypass the swear filter @white steppe. thanks

[hidden kindle]

Does anyone have a good arcana setup that uses the bottom rows?

[thin lantern]

scroll up a touch, someone gave a nice build for judgement!

[hidden kindle]

I was looking for an image. whoops. gonna scroll slowly

[rare brook]

Of course ||Chronos|| has second phase, what did I expect 😄

[visual flume]

don't die to the instakills

[rare brook]

I learned that he does that

[desert mountain]

Do each of the rewards in a Mourning field room count as an encounter for Chaos?

[rare brook]

And only small window to avoid that, although I learned that Apollo blind is pretty good to debuff him

[visual flume]

the window is not too bad for the one where he darkens the entire arena, at least once you know what to watch out for

[queen kestrel]

New favorite build

Apollo's Solar Ring with the Apollo/Zeus Duo boon. Your Omega Cast is like calling in an airstrike. They put the Hammer Of Dawn from Gears Of War in Hades. Add the Apollo Nova Strike boon for maximum effectiveness

[rare brook]

I was able to bought second death defiance, maybe with skelly keepsake I can do it... when I finish my work today

[thin lantern]

What's the Apollo/Zeus duo?

[queen kestrel]

Causes lightning bolts to strike everyone within the cast for an extra 30 magic

[thin lantern]

oh DAMN, nice

[visual flume]

i just run in with 270 max + 3 death defiances + knuckle bones and facetank a lot

[thin lantern]

Just run in with that and coarse grit and you will literally never die

[bleak night]

what's a good Cast and Special for Charon Axe ?

[visual flume]

I tried demeter cast and it was pretty good, apollo cast should be pretty broken with it too

[covert cloak]

Yeah apollo cast us pretty good with it too

[bleak night]

also, just realized that the Axe has mechanics when doing the spinning charge attack

[thin lantern]

Apollo special for easier landing, Hera special if you want that entire cast to just die instantly from overlapping damage, Heph would be fine too, Zeus if you want them to also be blitzed into the shadow realm. Lots of options.

[bleak night]

I've used this weapon the most and I only realized it now

[earnest nacelle]

you can get an actual air strike from || icarus || too

[rare brook]

What boons do you need for apollo zeus duo?

[thin lantern]

wdym

[visual flume]

stacked glowing coal + the cast vortex + freeze cast

[thin lantern]

oh yeah Demeter can go hard with the Charon cast

[bleak night]

if you hold the attack to charge it up, dashing without letting go lets you whirl in the location you're dashing into. If you let it go and then dash the instant your Omega Attack spin should've happened, you animation cancel it completely and just dash, but you still lose the magick

[thin lantern]

Interesting.

[visual flume]

probably my playstyle but demeter cast just feels very strong right now because of the enhanced cc effect

and instant proc origination for bonus damage if you get cyclone

[bleak night]

I'll do Than Axe then do a Charon Axe afterwards, I've been using Mel Axe too long

[tame wraith]

Not sure if this is the right thread, but does anyone have tips for beating chronos phase 2? He keeps on one hitting me in his AoE attacks

[visual flume]

don't get hit by the instakills

or get the boon that says damage per hit is capped at 15

the clock hands always move in clockwise direction which is obvious when you think about it a little but something you might forget about in the chaos of the fight

[bleak night]

is he instakilling you with the 900 to 1k damage move ?

[wet nova]

Ranged is the best for your first victory against him because it lets you see his patterns and learn them from afar while still doing damage imo

[tame wraith]

Yup

Went in with a full health bar of like 300 + 4 death defiances

[bleak night]

When he starts prepping for that, the entire area becomes dark except for this one circular spot

[wet nova]

It also helps to avoid you getting greedy and dying to that too😂😭

[tame wraith]

all gone by midpoint

[bleak night]

go into the circular spot and you won't be hit by it at all

[wet nova]

I really enjoy the chronos mechanics reminds me of some MMO raids I did for lost ark lol😂

[bleak night]

basically whenever he starts channeling and darkening the area, he's planning to do the oneshot blast, so move into the well-lit parts of the floor

[tame wraith]

What about the one with rings?

[bleak night]

with the moving, glowing orbs ?

[tame wraith]

I think?

only reached phase 2 twice

so hard to know exactly what I'm looking at amidst everything 😂

[bleak night]

that's quite fair, yeah

[hot snow]

So, for me... The most broken combo currently in the game is:

Argent Skull
Twisted Crash Hammer
Aphrodite or Hera Special
Any good Magick Regen

I crushed several runs just spamming omega special and barely got scratched. It's like having a shield bullrush on steroids.

Then, if you add in support boons like chain lightning, LOL.

Rooms get cleared in seconds and bosses melt.

[hidden kindle]

Do miniboss like the small rat count towards activating arcana with the Judgement?

[thin lantern]

Woah, HOLD UP. Judgment can activate five cards per guardian?

[hot snow]

Yes, those are Guardians

[hidden kindle]

awesome, thanks!

[tame wraith]

I'll try again, thanks!

[thin lantern]

So... With the Crystal keepsake at max level, and Judgment at level 3, you can have most of the Arcana on? If not all of them?

[wet nova]

Honestly I’d say Poseidon special on staff is even more broken

[split igloo]

Yeah, for a total of 18 cards by chronos

[wet nova]

I took 70 damage from chronos while blasting him from range

Or Poseidon special on aspect of pan🤩

[thin lantern]

ok but doesn't that also activate a bunch of 0 cards?

messenger, centaur, and seer COULD turn on, right

[wet nova]

Yh should be like that

[split igloo]

Pan blades
Most special hammers are good, hook blades is nice. The real prize is concentrated flurry.
Apollo legendary.
Any source of bonus omega damage you can find.

[hot snow]

I prefer Demeter special on Pan, with the hook knives hammer, but I'll try putting Poseidon on it and see how it goes

[thin lantern]

okay, that's a crapton of stuff. judgment might be the strongest card, but only if fully upgraded

[split igloo]

I didn't even think about that. Not sure if that works, you should test.

[bleak night]

you also doing that 11 grasp Arcana build ?

or are you running 3 other cards

[wet nova]

It’s only cos it’s like aspect of Chiron with Zeus special hades 1 so I liked that a lot

[thin lantern]

not yet. I haven't upgraded it yet. I can't afford it

[bleak night]

Ah, I see

[thin lantern]

and I refuse to run that with no upgrades. not worth it.

[white vessel]

i want a build that uses alot of mana/second so i can do stuff with heartthrob, what weapon?

[bleak night]

do you have the companion food unlocked already ?

[bleak night]

probs run Axe since it's melee like Hearthrob is

there are boons that boost the swing's power by a lot for extra mana cost

[thin lantern]

Eos torches are cool, but incredibly weird and seem very difficult to use.

I feel like these are built for the Romantic duo boon?

[bleak night]

I can't get the torches to work, I seem to just get a mental block whenever I play it

[blazing coyote]

Hello! I wanted to ask if its known about the Eris cheese build for when heading to Olympus? Just went there for the first time and found that you can have 1 boon alone cheese the entire fight... But is there another build you can use to make the fight easier for the future?

[white vessel]

bet

[split igloo]

If you're playing on controller they just don't function rn

[bleak night]

Hestia Sprint negates a lot of her moves

[bleak night]

ah, yeah I am. That explains why ig

[blazing coyote]

Yea pretty much what i used, was wondering if there is anything else to use that can help if you dont get that

[thin lantern]

Funny. I actually find them fun, but it's a very ADHD sort of weapon

[hot snow]

The torch weapon stinks. Needs a big overhaul. Cool idea, but it's half baked.

[thin lantern]

You have to keep track of so much crap to use the torches, even I slip up, and I have possibly the maximum degree of adhd

[bleak night]

Nothing comes to mind besides that sprint atm

[thin lantern]

they're objectively not bad. especially not moros, can do some nasty damage

[bleak night]

It's weird because the people that DO like it end up really finding it super fun. I suppose it's in the control scheme, but it's just not for me

[blazing coyote]

Fair point... thanks for the help @bleak night !

[bleak night]

sure thing!

apparently there's a mod out for a dps meter

[split igloo]

Okay uhm. Torch of Eos magick build is op.

Boomerang mode.

Spamming Omega Attack + Dash.

[bleak night]

I'd enjoy Torches more if there's a way to instantly charge Omega attack after maybe one attack instead of waiting to do four and then charging

[split igloo]

You can wait while dashing afaik.

[thin lantern]

They should just make the normal combo a tap combo, and the omega a hold instantly like the staff

easy fix, immediately torches become busted good.

[bleak night]

man, I miss the bow so much

[viral thorn]

That explains a lot why I find them clunky and unfun to use

[bleak night]

It's a tough tradeoff between controller and mk tbh

controller has the 360 degree control stick, keyboard has mouse aiming

kind of wish you could have some sort of hybrid setup

[hidden lodge]

I gotta recommend you try Poseidon with them. Spirit bubbles and Poseidon splash can melt most enemies and keep your mana topped up.

[bleak night]

you probs can with joystick + mouse with buttons on the side ig

[lean vapor]

got an insane double attack chain lightning build on staff

[thin lantern]

wait, what poseidon, special or normal?

[hidden lodge]

Normal.

[lean vapor]

does the apollo double attack boon stack with the hammer upgrade or is it redundant?

[hidden lodge]

Add in primed Zeus and you're doing like 70-80 damage per skill and it adds up fast.

It shreds rooms with all the chain hits and AoE and bosses honestly don't fair much better.

[thin lantern]

isn't it a pain to have to keep picking up bubbles? also what aspect

that sounds like the classic Sea Storm rail build.

[hidden lodge]

I'm ran it with Melanioe aspect since I kept forgetting to get mats for aspect unlocks. It does have sea storm vibes but with some added mobility.

You can add the slip effect Poseidon gives and I like to grab a cast that lets me apply it from afar to get the bonus damage from arcana. It applies to the splash too.

[celest swallow]

i mean i play controller and made it to the final boss with the torches, they definitely function, but i also focus more on casts and special with attacks as primers or backup moves so that probably contributes. but tbh that's also kinda the way they feel the best anyway imo

[hidden lodge]

What were you running for boons with the cast?

And special?

[celest swallow]

think i had zeus cast with the demeter boon to add a cyclone on your cast, and demeter special

[split igloo]

No it literally doesn't function properly on controller, you can't aim the attack.

[thin lantern]

you know the strangest thing? I feel like eos is oddly the friendliest for using attacks on the controller, because you don't actually rely on the main attack itself to do damage, rather you sprint to drag them.

[pastel lagoon]

Does Selene's "phase shift" ability not work on Chronos? I used it on him to see and I don't know if he stayed the same speed but he said "do you really think that would work here?" or something lol

[celest swallow]

i mean again, when i need to i can, but i also value the attack on the torches the least lol

[thin lantern]

he ignores all time altering effects, naturally

[celest swallow]

wound up with poseidon attack for that run and basically just tossed some out to get another curse on folks

[split igloo]

Try using it on kbm and then use it on controller again and you'll see what I mean

[pastel lagoon]

Including but not limited to the pause button yes

[celest swallow]

i really don't need you to try to explain to me how it feels when i've done it

[thin lantern]

the pause button can actually just get un-nerfed.

[celest swallow]

the attack specifically is better with mouse and keyboard, it's still doable on controller, people blow it way out of proportion

[split igloo]

I'm not talking about how it feels. The controller aim for torch attack right now is actually not functioning as intended.

[charred seal]

Oh my god staff ♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️

[celest swallow]

not functioning as intended isn't "doesn't function on controller" which is what you started with. i agree it needs tweaking, but it literally does function, which is what i disagreed with to start 😩

the hyperbole and nastiness i've seen from some folks about some of the weapons is insane so i'm just very fatigued of that level of hyperbole i'm ngl

[split igloo]

The attack does function, the aim literally does not.

[celest swallow]

i'll go tell my run that it shouldn't have worked then, sorry /j

[opal radish]

Any tips ? I feel like I’m doing something wrong. 90% of the time I get to ||Scylla|| and I only have a main attack boon and pretty much just three other side boons

My damage output feels incredibly low and it’s frustrating

[split igloo]

I really don't get how you're having so much trouble understanding me. The weapon is usable, it's 100% possible to win a run. The aiming specifically does not work on controller.

[celest swallow]

and i'm saying it does work it just is finicky, i understand you fine i don't agree, good lord this is exhausting i'm out

i am in no way saying it's good and doesn't need fixing good lord

[cyan fractal]

arguing to argue

[split igloo]

On kbm you can change your aim direction after you start attacking, on controller you can't. The controller aim does not function.

[celest swallow]

nah seems to just be luck, i've had plenty of runs where it's just lots of side boons and like one or two main ability boons for the first two biomes

[thin lantern]

secret third possibility: there's a bug with specific controllers.

[celest swallow]

reroll i assume helps with that

[rare brook]

Do you perhpas know what boons to pick to get apollo legendary?

[opal radish]

Yeah but With how unlucky I am, 1 seems a bit low

[severe light]

Which attack is best for sister blade? Hestia ?

[rare brook]

So far no luck, only two duos

[celest swallow]

which is still a different thing than you said to start this, cos now you're talking about channeling specifically. let's just end this please

no one's on opposing sides here and it's not that serious, please stop pinging me about it

[split igloo]

You'll unlock the boon list eventually which will tell you the requirements for everything.

For appollo legendary you need:
Apollo attack or special
Apollo cast or gain boon
The no hit damage bonus boon or the boon that makes your cast grow

[bleak night]

I have a mouse with 3 extra buttons aside from the wheel click and the two clickers, I'll start training on controller joystick for movement + mouse for everything else

[rare brook]

Gain boon you mean to regen magick?

[split igloo]

Here.
"I apologize. I didn't understand what you meant in your original message. The torch attack aiming does not work properly in its current state."

[split igloo]

Yeah

[rare brook]

Ok, cause I'm trying to make witch staff apollo and zeus build

[night yacht]

Am I the only one who found Ice to be exteremely powerful so far? stunlocking enemies seems so op

[wet nova]

It is but since chronos says “idc about your slows” it’s not enough

First time I used the slow hex I thought maybe just maybe the moon was powerful enough

[exotic heath]

any advice for the twin blades? i havent unlocked any aspects yet, but i really havent figured out how to work with this weapon

[thin lantern]

the quotation marks really make it unclear as to whether you're apologizing, or whether you're sarcastically putting words in someone else's mouth

[wet nova]

Then got bodied while using it😭😂

[night yacht]

I am stull noob though, so in the farming stage lol

[split igloo]

I wrote the apology for them

[bleak night]

It's pretty good, but sadly it doesn't freeze bosses so you might need to combine it with something

[wet nova]

You can go for Aphrodite attack back attack build

[charred seal]

Hera on staff is amazing and you can't change my mind

[wet nova]

Or you can go for Poseidon attack + Zeus lightning per attack 50 magick prime

[wet nova]

On attack or special?

[charred seal]

Attack

[wet nova]

Yh I used it against the three sirens and took them out each phase within 10s

[charred seal]

Exactly

[wet nova]

But only on multiple mobs it’s amazing

[thin lantern]

sorry, but... big yikes. that's incredibly condescending

[charred seal]

I wanna try with Zeus and double Ω attack, that should be instant blitz

[split igloo]

It was supposed to be

[thin lantern]

well you could stand to knock it off then

[split igloo]

I actually have a permit

[bleak night]

is it just me or should they just reduce the size of some of the UI in general ? It's kinda massive compared to what 1 had

[next dune]

You know.

I really don't know why I thought that the Hex that slows time down would work against ||the Titan of Time.||

[grizzled canopy]

okay, now that I have progressed really far, I wanted to give some of my thoughts on weapons and stuff.
The Staff feels incredible. Espeically Mel's aspect. I've been spamming it a lot, since bonus cast time on her omega's is super strong. The other aspects look good too, but I haven't had the opportunity to try it out yet.
The Sisters are okay. Their Special and O Special really suck without a good heph hammer upgrade. They also really want a good olympian buff. the main attack is strong, but the range leaves a lot to be desired; even with apollo. There are some enemies where you pretty much can't NOT get hurt while using them.
Ygnium feels terrible. The moros aspect feels a lot better, but mel's aspect doesn't do much since the special blows. You really want clean candle with this weapon, but you can't guarantee it, and its DPS is terrible without it generally. The biggest issue is unlike with other weapons, you can't regen magic while using the non-Omega Attack.
Zorephet feels awesome, all of its buttons feel strong, especially the Omegas. Hammers just make it feel even better.
Revaal feels okay, but awkward. you'd think it'd be a good ranged weapon, but it kinda blows as a ranged option. rather it does most of its damage at point blank, which feels silly. I'm not a fan, but its okay for what its worth.

[grizzled canopy]

I'm p sure Arcana 1 also doesn't work.

[split igloo]

My favorites are now aspect of Persephone (giant wave spam) and aspect of Eos (boomerang attacks).

[bleak night]

neat controller trick, but if I'm not using the Charon Axe, but am on Mel/Than, I can set the special button to turbo so it spams shield/parry whenever I hold X instead of charging it up

[orchid merlin]

Is it just me who thinks umbrall flames are too weak?

[bleak night]

I don't like them either, but some people do get them working really well

[orchid merlin]

I think that you just must get deadalus hammer and get some crazy combo, otherwise they just bad

[slim cloud]

I take back everything I said about Medea skulls. That playstyle is FUNNY.

Almost beat Chronos first try with Medea Skulls.

[charred seal]

Skulls are too silly for me ngl

[slim cloud]

They are VERY silly. Medea is the only aspect that makes at least a little sense.

[charred seal]

Skulls are the most scooby doo weapons and I'm over here craving hex girls

[thin lantern]

lmao, it's the 'beowulf but goofy' aspect

[stoic ridge]

beowulf but no protection when charging making it annoying to use

[charred seal]

Beowulf no lube no protection all day and all night on the floor on the table outside edition

[slim cloud]

Daedalus hammer for two extra skulls and you don’t need protection, trust. Load 5 skulls and omega special into anything. Guardians pop in 30s, mini-bosses pop in 15s.

It’s so wild

[thin lantern]

"Protection? My protection is everything in the room being DEAD!"

[slim cloud]

YES!!!

[charred seal]

So guardians means boss, right?

[slim cloud]

Yep! Hecate and other end-of-floor bosses.

[charred seal]

Is Uh-Oh a boss?

[slim cloud]

I’d call it a mini-boss

It was a 3-hit KO with 5-stack medeas (with boons obvs)

[charred seal]

According to the definition of guardians it is. I think it might be considered one (if it's healthbar is displayed at the top with it's name it's a guardian, as per the tooltip.) I'm curious to see if it's coded that way.

[bleak night]

you think they'll add more grasp down the line or will it just be 30 for good ?

though tbf I prefer the 11 grasp build a lot more than stacking them up

[thin lantern]

@slim cloud what boons do you take for attack and special?

[cinder palm]

Black diamond beowulf 😶

[slim cloud]

Good point

[thin lantern]

I think the current setup is balanced around 'yeah you gotta run judgement if you want more than a third of this board' ngl

[charred seal]

"um akshually" ahh point

Devs should make a poll on what weapons everyone uses

[lusty heron]

i am pretty sure they have that data without a poll

[bleak night]

I'm running quite a good amount with the 30 thoughhttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/778505838003879938/1238118897102749726/image.png?ex=663e1f94&is=663cce14&hm=7955e0ff04731f455da21f8e247b223fcf1e54aadebfe4c1eff8f500bf31b669&

[charred seal]

I briefly forgot how making a game works

[slim cloud]

I went full Aphrodite and Demeter throughout the run for HP and close range damage. Aphrodite Attacks, Demeter Sprints & Special. And got to stack 2 Chaos +Attack boons.

[charred seal]

I should probably max grasp lmao

[bleak night]

I usually run card 14 instead of 4, this is just my setup for the +5 crit chance with the Than axe

[bleak night]

imo best build is 11 grasp and focus on unlocking the cards

[thin lantern]

okay 2/3 if you don't mess with the lower right too much, I guess

[split igloo]

what's the arcana card meta?

[bleak night]

that's true, yeah

[bleak night]

I'm destroying 32 Fear with 11 Grasp 5 cards

idk if that's meta, but having the slow buildup to having 20-21 cards really helps that much

[split igloo]

oo gotcha

[fair sentinel]

I have 30 Grasp and uh, it gets really difficult to go higher than that real fast lol

[charred seal]

I'm already on like 22

[fair sentinel]

It's clear they don't want you to have all the cards.

[bleak night]

try the 11 Grasp build

[zenith bolt]

whar

[celest ermine]

whats the best aspect for torches?

[bleak night]

VII (Titan) - +40HP/MP flat
VIII (Unseen) - Magick Regen (probably swap for something else when doing Momus runs)
XII (Eternity) - Death Defiance x3
XX (The Queen) - Higher Duo chance, is automatically active
XXV (Judgment) - After beating a boss, activate 3-5 cards (based on level)

[zenith bolt]

i thought for sure 30 would be a hard cap

[bleak night]

It is for me, yeah. I can't go past 30

[thin lantern]

that might legitimately be the strongest build in the game right now at least, since you get almost the entire board

[fair sentinel]

It may as well be. The resources needed for 31 is such an insane jump you can't possibly achieve it quickly.

[zenith bolt]

thanks btw for confirming something i forgot to ask about (does judgment count 0-costs or not?)

[thin lantern]

screenshot 🅱️lease.

[bleak night]

It's 0 cost, but you can't activate more than 3 manually

[fair sentinel]

1 moment

[bleak night]

the 3 manual ones I activate are
VII (Titan) - +40HP/MP flat
VIII (Unseen) - Magick Regen (probably swap for something else when doing Momus runs)
XII (Eternity) - Death Defiance x3

[zenith bolt]

i meant more "does the duo boon thing count to the card count" which it doesnt, which is good

[bleak night]

Yeah, it doesn't count to the total

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/778505838003879938/1238120236486623252/image.png?ex=663e20d3&is=663ccf53&hm=e3c2ba7079d41f35ce8ba8ff3102efbf3bfc68c6073b5bc2804f53f1fe764665& I don't see an option to upgrade it from here

[wet nova]

Have you unlocked it?

[fair sentinel]

How does one share images here haha

[bleak night]

unlocked what ?

[wet nova]

Nvm read it wrong

[bleak night]

I send it to a private server and just copy the link

you can dm it to me and I can post it for ya

oh, open it in browser

[fair sentinel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/803778507090952273/1238120714951725097/20240509092758_1.jpg?ex=663e2145&is=663ccfc5&hm=0b28741254cbc1caf0292bc8e094e359926af8715cfd82795950545e8ce7a664&=&format=webp&width=908&height=383 Like this?

Here we go lol I am not 75 I swear

[thin lantern]

Holy crap, 31 grasp real?

[bleak night]

Oh, you meant the upgrade to Grasp

[thin lantern]

oh wait, no, is that upgrade TO 30...?

[fair sentinel]

To 31

[bleak night]

yeah, I think so

[ionic glacier]

how does scorch work?

[bleak night]

tf how

[fair sentinel]

No, nvm. I cannot count haha

[bleak night]

mine says it's maxed out when I hover over it as 30

[fair sentinel]

I am stupid

[bleak night]

ah, just a lil mistake ig, no problems

[thin lantern]

it's ok, math tricks us all

[fair sentinel]

The UI is deceptive because when I hover over it, the max changes to 30 and I thought I already had 30 X_X

[tacit mauve]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/481510528947060778/1238121409889435718/image.png?ex=663e21eb&is=663cd06b&hm=d817078b3ab1dd202ac151af17aedd0f2b31de60b5d6b2ac7b0cb0fd5bcd8a66& right yall, what choice do i make?

[stoic ridge]

how do you get dark?

[bleak night]

the usual 30 Grasp build tho for Arcanas is
1-3 -8, 10-14, 16, 18, 24

[fair sentinel]

Chaos starts giving it to you after a certain point. I think you have to beat Chronos at least once.

[zenith bolt]

enemy takes 40 damage per second, flat, from the scorch they've accumulated. when you hit enemies with scorch, the amount they have goes up, but the dps doesn't

[stoic ridge]

ah ok, ive been avoiding chaos recently, makes sense

[zenith bolt]

hestia's legendary increases the dps of scorch

[bleak night]

I find it sometimes whenever I go into Chaos portals

speaking of Chaos, what do I use Plasma for ? I've been mining it there but it seems to have no use yet

[fair sentinel]

Go for the one that makes your dude take damage for you.

[ionic glacier]

So, what's the damage listed in the description?

[tacit mauve]

if you didn't realise, i maxed out the chart

[charred seal]

Best energy regain boon?

[zenith bolt]

that's the amount of scorch added to the enemy per hit

[fair sentinel]

Same. I thought it would be for weapon upgrades but all the aspects use Nightmare

[bleak night]

must be for the future then

[zenith bolt]

if an enemy has 100 scorch, they will lose 40/s to take 40 damage/s and will take a total of 100 damage over 2.5 seconds

[charred seal]

I like Hestia energy boon but it sometimes feels too slow

[fair sentinel]

I did not! I just looked at which one it was lol

[bleak night]

I kinda really wish we could manually sell some of the reagents

[thin lantern]

folks, help me cook a build... I have zeus attack on skulls, what should I slap onto my special slot?

[ionic glacier]

"scorch damage: 15"
scorch: take 40 damage accrued every 1 second

[bleak night]

the Broker is pretty selective about what he wants to buy from you

[fair sentinel]

It's very helpful once you unlock Arcana 18 because it sticks around longer than most other curses

[zenith bolt]

"scorch damage" is misleading, it just means the amount of scorch it adds to an enemy

[bleak night]

slap Poseidon on it and grab Slip for the Duo

[thin lantern]

oh demeter showed up. should I toss demeter into the special, or into my zeus ranged cast? I have poseidon giving me money

hmm. so demeter cast, poseidon special. we're back in hades 1, boys, girls, and enbies

(if the RNG cooperates and gives me the correct slots.)

[zenith bolt]

scorch is always* 40 dps
*hestia's legendary increases this

[fair sentinel]

You said you're using Skulls right? I always preferred Freeze on the cast because it can easily combo with other curses

[bleak night]

luckily the Zeus-Poseidon combo only requires two boons, though the Poseidon boon has to be the Slip one

[zenith bolt]

you need a splashing boon to get slip, no?

[bleak night]

nvm all the Duos are 2 req only, I confused it for the legendaries requiring 3 now

[ionic glacier]

So what's the use case for scorch? I liked it on the cast but maybe it's less good on attack/special?

[zenith bolt]

bc it's "your splash effects also cause enemies to slep"

[bleak night]

Pretty much, yeah

[fair sentinel]

It's basically hangover for Hades 2. Deals damage over time per stack.

[zenith bolt]

theres a hestia boon that makes enemies take 75% of their remaining scorch at once once they hit 300, that's pretty solid

[exotic heath]

how do you deal with the goldwrath? it seems like no matter what i did i couldnt dodge that beam attack und just melted instantly

[bleak night]

how many Chaos Trials are there btw ? I have 16 atm

[zenith bolt]

no it doesn't. it deals a fixed 40 dps, and adding more scorch just increases the amount of time they're taking damage for

[fair sentinel]

The dude that vomits all the coins? A lot of praying and using my cast to trap him.

[fair sentinel]

The tooltip is poorly written then LOL I thought it was the reverse! D:

[thin lantern]

also, the worst part of scorch is that, if you don't attack for too long, the scorch meter gets wasted as it starts ticking down rapidly and not dealing its damage.

[exotic heath]

yeah that guy, he hit me with some kind of laser that i couldnt dodge and just got killed instantly

[gusty lichen]

30 is max?

[bleak night]

yeah

[fair sentinel]

Yes, forgive me for confusing everyone lol

[charred seal]

I think you need to hide behind pillars so as not to get hit

[fair sentinel]

The difference in difficulty between him and the Satyr leader is insane.

[exotic heath]

but all the pillars got destroyed too :S

[thin lantern]

hmm. you know, the zeus/poseidon/demeter combo for this actually feels completely intuitive as a boon combo. you get waves that are waves, lmao

[lost oriole]

is there a reliable way to consistently dodge Hecate's Hex?

[charred seal]

In that case you just pray

[fair sentinel]

It's a Dark Souls attack. You gotta dodge into it.

[thin lantern]

oh hey, duo boon for zeus/demeter. don't mind if I do.

[lost oriole]

it still keeps following you after that or does that get rid of it?

[opal radish]

How do the infusion boons work with the elements and such ? I don’t understand it

[fair sentinel]

It keeps following you for 6 dodges. BUT if you have the frog familiar, run it into him and it goes away.

[charred seal]

You dodge 4-8 times and it dissipates

[fair sentinel]

(Probably works with the cat too but I haven't tried it yet)

[lost oriole]

cool 🙂

[white steppe]

the succ ghost solid contender for most annoying enemy in the game jesus, the amount of times ive been doing an encounter in fields / fighting dog and a ghost just yoinks me out of it is ludicrous

[charred seal]

I saw my brother dodge thrice and it was over, that was weird

[fair sentinel]

Bros have NO chill

[charred seal]

Bro ate my hp and a death defiance. From full hp to 16 and with my dignity dissipated. He gives way too good head

[white steppe]

another one is the elite guy in fields that turns the game into minesweeper

[thin lantern]

Yo, heads up: If you take the Experimental Hammer, it will clear hammers off your Fate board. Great if you just hate specific hammers, I guess?

[bleak night]

The pet giving you a free Death Defiance is kinda just really fun isn't it ||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1238124194294927372/image.png?ex=663e2483&is=663cd303&hm=38890ea22064e51882c9070d5b976911910a4b04491f1de86c6150176adeef40&||

plus it destroys stuff in Erebus in case you don't get the boons you want early on

[dusty dust]

how do you play a charon cast build again

[white steppe]

circe also gives you another one cause why not right

[thin lantern]

what do I have to do to make the cat spawn at the docks though?

[zenith bolt]

made a feedback about scorch bc it honestly is quite confusing

[bleak night]

it appeared for me there randomly

[fair sentinel]

Find her in Erebus. She shows up in the fountain rooms.

[thin lantern]

nope kitty seems to be unable to actually block shots, based on that screenshot above

[charred seal]

Does Demeter infusion work against ||chronos execute||?

[bleak night]

is this the boon she gives that doubles the companion's stats ?

[fair sentinel]

Frog best friend confirmed.

[thin lantern]

no, she moved on. maybe I just need to keep going upstairs over and over.

[lime eagle]

What is 'Tool support'?

[white steppe]

yea you get a 2nd dd

[fair sentinel]

Might be a bug then? She showed up for me every time I hit the docks even when I didn't have animal crackers for her.

[fair sentinel]

An extra use of the animal's tool (fishing rod in the cat's case)

[bleak night]

the frog lets you do Tablet of Peace stuff without taking that tool, the cat lets you do Fishing Rod stuff without taking the fishing rod, that way you essentially have two different tools

[zenith bolt]

how does one unlock familiars? i've killed the big man plenty of times :/

[white steppe]

both happen to be the tools that dont give you progression towards incantations because we cant have nice things

[fair sentinel]

There's an incantation to unlock the animal crackers, which you then have to craft.

[bleak night]

Hecate will randomly talk about it after you beat her in Erebus, then you'll unlock the incantation for the Witch's Delight to feed animals with

[fair sentinel]

You need to do a chaos trial as well, I believe. For the resource.

[zenith bolt]

i havent got any more chaos trials past the first three :/

[charred seal]

We should be able to have a ||Polyphemus sheep|| as our familiar

[thin lantern]

keep playing, and unlock more trinkets and aspects.

[thin lantern]

YES.

[zenith bolt]

i have every single aspect unlocked and almost every keepsake

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1238125237585838191/image.png?ex=663e257b&is=663cd3fb&hm=3df27ad928d4b30337fe1c71320bcc3f51acc2b3db0042d0a64ffeeb46f4a017& I should get to doing them actually

[fair sentinel]

You need to get more aspects, there's one for each of them, so 16 across the board roughly.

[zenith bolt]

seriously im not joking i have every single aspect unlocked, i got persephone's last night

[fair sentinel]

Do you have to complete Echo's side quest before she will allow you to give gifts to her? She's one of the last ones I need.

[bleak night]

Oh, she has a side quest ?

[fair sentinel]

It involves Narcissus.

[bleak night]

is this the one where you have to get Narcissus to talk about her

ah, yeah. I still don't have her locked heart open, maybe I need to find them both more again

[white steppe]

are the trials meant to inhibit your arcana cards or is that a bug btw? having to do surface biome 2 w eos with no DD or cat is uh, interesting for what was a 2 or 3 difficulty trial i think

[thin lantern]

No you don't. Just talk to her FIRST. And then gift.

[fair sentinel]

What is your relationship lvl with Chaos?

[thin lantern]

I believe they give fixed arcana, so just take skelly's tooth

[zenith bolt]

i got the keepsake from them, but i havent given them more nectar

[fair sentinel]

Weird... Every time I talk to her, she gives me the boon, and then I got no other option 😦

[white steppe]

your keepsake is locked too lul

[bleak night]

was gonna say ^

[thin lantern]

also try raising your affection with hecate.

[mint cedar]

How bad is 32 heat btw

[fair sentinel]

May have to progress it one or two more. There are other recipes unlocked by doing that too.

[thin lantern]

in some of them, it isn't, tbf. maybe the other ones are I guess

[zenith bolt]

only people i havent gotten keepsakes from are medea and presumably echo

[mint cedar]

I don’t want to do it but I want to see the statue

[bleak night]

I have it unlocked, should I post ?

[white steppe]

what's medea's spawn rate? I think ive seen her only once in like 15 or so surface runs

[zenith bolt]

no clue

[bleak night]

I've only seen her about 3x so far

[mint cedar]

No, I want to be surprised

[zenith bolt]

i only saw her for the first time like 6-7 runs into surface

[mint cedar]

Thanks for the offer

What’s your heat setup btw

[bleak night]

ah, well 32 heat is kinda rough, but as long as you don't pick the Fear Oaths that reduce your healing, boons and Arcana, you should be able to deal with the fat damage they start throwing at you

[charred seal]

Time to cook with staff + zeus

[fair sentinel]

Same with Circe and Icarus. They clearly don’t spawn without you beating Eris once.

[zenith bolt]

circe i get like every run

[bleak night]

though I did just cheese my 32 heat run

[zenith bolt]

icarus is about 1/3 of the time for me

[charred seal]

Icarus spawned before I beat eris

[mint cedar]

A clear is a clear

[zenith bolt]

how much cheese

[fair sentinel]

So jealous. Could have used his help while learning Eris’ fight.

[bleak night]

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[thin lantern]

who's the other half of golden rule, anyway

[white steppe]

tbf could be cheesier, there's no zoos chain lightning

[bleak night]

I had my controller running special on turbo, so I hold a button instead of rapidly tapping it and the specials come flying out

[fair sentinel]

Bonus damage per GOLD????

[zenith bolt]

lol

[bleak night]

also I had 1800 gold so my Specials were doing about 200 each, and I had the hammer that made me shoot 2x per Special button press

[thin lantern]

oh man. I got poseidon epic stuff early on in my first win, and came into Charon's final shop with 2.4k gold

[mint cedar]

I was wondering if you could get both specials

[bleak night]

you have the Icarus keepsake already ?

[fair sentinel]

That’s what I’m saying. You hit Chronos with easily 1k gold lol.

[mint cedar]

Yes

[charred seal]

Does he help inside the fight???

[bleak night]

max it out, then start equipping it on every run after Scylla, because the entirety of Fields + Tartarus is under 20 encounters, so the "temporary" Hammer boon awarded to you becomes permanent

[fair sentinel]

Looks like Hermes?

[mint cedar]

The Poseidon special was actually how I got my first clear xd

[bleak night]

it's super dumb, yeah

[fair sentinel]

No but his boons are insane.

[mint cedar]

That’s cool

[white steppe]

poseidon is cracked this game and zeus got dumpstered

[bleak night]

what weap are you doing 32 heat on ?

[mint cedar]

I just did 8 heat

[bleak night]

that language filter is annoying

[zenith bolt]

even if you take the longest route in tartarus? damn

[thin lantern]

@bleak night what duo is golden rule, seriously

[bleak night]

Poseidon/Hera

[charred seal]

Yeah. Sorry for ghost ping, I got bot modded. I got unlucky and got one that gives some max hp every few encounters.

[thin lantern]

nah nah, zeus is nutty in many cases

[fair sentinel]

Demeter too 😦 The 10 second cooldown on freeze is such a buzzkill

[thin lantern]

One of my favorite builds right now is just going heph and hyperstacking coarse grit and hp ngl

[zenith bolt]

nah demeter is great still

[fair sentinel]

Yoooo okay. Good to know. I love hatch

[thin lantern]

Zeus is pretty great, Demeter's new curse is super mid though

[white steppe]

tbf demeter was ass in h1 too so thats why i didnt mention her

[charred seal]

I really don't get the appeal on heph boons

[zenith bolt]

Weed Killer is an insane boon

[mint cedar]

I haven’t used a single god keepsake yet

[fair sentinel]

Really? Once you got the boon that kills people with 1/4 hp left it was so good. And freeze buildup was so much better imo.

[charred seal]

Weed killer is wild

[white steppe]

"the god is good if you roll their legendary" lul

[fair sentinel]

I love her for cast/sprint stuff. But she's wasted on weapon attacks.

[zenith bolt]

i usually go demeter to get freeze attacks and weed killer, then i grab hestia for soot sprint and hearth gain and that pretty much makes my build for axe spin

[charred seal]

I liked chill way more than I like freeze. But it makes rooms super convenient

[bleak night]

I'm really tempted to do a run and find this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1238127963812134942/image.png?ex=663e2805&is=663cd685&hm=bfeea1d3f33c5172277cc14c37d827b3378e71343cfa377e00cf22e01d68a914&

[zenith bolt]

demeter's magick regen thing tho? unbelievably garbage

[bleak night]

I really want to use this, badly

[charred seal]

That's literally my build for staff

[zenith bolt]

"inactive" means 100% AFK for more than a second for any regen at all

[charred seal]

How do y'all get boon info??? Do u have to increase friendship?

[zenith bolt]

its an incantation

[tired turret]

I've really been enjoying the wands

[bleak night]

incantation in the cauldron

[fair sentinel]

Damn that looks really hard to get too X_X

[thin lantern]

Poseidon kind of feels like one of the best gods in the game right now.

[charred seal]

Know what triggers you to learn it? I've been struggling to cook without my cookbook

[thin lantern]

What does weed killer do again?

[mint cedar]

Typical Poseidon

[bleak night]

he is, yeah. I'm sad that he's kinda bad with Axe aside from Charon

[charred seal]

Makes O do extra damage but cost more magick

[bleak night]

I'm not sure what triggers it, sorry

[charred seal]

All good 😭

[tired turret]

Im loving the wands ngl

[charred seal]

Thanatos axe sounds fun

[zenith bolt]

base +75% damage boost to omega attack, but it costs more magick

[gusty lichen]

what heat u had?

[thin lantern]

Poseidon's strongest boons are unironically his loot boons now. INSANELY powerful.

[mint cedar]

I thought of a funny revenge damage build

[bleak night]

I only do up to 32 atm

[gusty lichen]

which ones

[zenith bolt]

lvl 2 or rare gives +100%, it's cracked

[mint cedar]

You get the resummon enemy hex

[bleak night]

ah, let me check rq

[charred seal]

Poseidon kept doubling my boon loot, that shiz was bananas

[tired turret]

Omega special with explody aspect and aphrodite on the special just destroys

[zenith bolt]

weed killer is really good for any omega attack-centric build

[mint cedar]

Upgrade it to have revenge boons

Then just lightly ignite your zombie

[thin lantern]

Demeter's magick boon is actively the worst one. Zeus needs a buff and/or the max magick penalty to be cut to 50%

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1238128784578842635/image.png?ex=663e28c9&is=663cd749&hm=7f09f7d6f719fc82a0b7ec2a38b6a86822beb35b1058494774329db95e2d890d&

[thin lantern]

I love how Poseidon can legitimately enable a loot build now.

[white steppe]

tbf first game had hoarding slash

[thin lantern]

As in, you can win by out-Scrooging Chronos. Just take Golden Rule and win

[charred seal]

Zeus needs to have UNREASONABLY HIGH magick regen, but keep how strict it is. Make it unique among regen boons.

[desert mountain]

Can some explain to me how Hera's Cast works?

[thin lantern]

well I'd agree except 70% kinda just deletes your cast on half the weapons unless you get lucky and take a mountain of blue drinks

[bleak night]

yeah, but the same god that boosts your ability to earn money is also half of the Duo boon that awards you for not spending it

it's kinda neat

[mint cedar]

Also Hera’s revenge boon at level 10 is like 1350% damage taken reflected to people with her boon

[bleak night]

plus since it's not a hammer, all weapons can make use of it

[zenith bolt]

now im imagining melinoe pulling up to chronos with a tophat and a fake moustache like "hello yes sir i am collecting taxes on this gold"

[mint cedar]

As common

[agile galleon]

Flutter Strike is that good for the axe?

[bleak night]

very, one of the two main ones for it

[zenith bolt]

ok the real question is, is this the actual damage you take (as in, 999 if you get hit by chronos instakill), or the amount of hp you lose?

[bleak night]

the other is Apollo's for more range, but Aphro's is pure damage

[mint cedar]

I don’t know

[gusty lichen]

@bleak night||https://imgur.com/a/Y6Y5UCK|| like this?

[bleak night]

I'm getting an error code

[gusty lichen]

[bleak night]

can you dm me the image ?

[thin lantern]

Can you get the 'Natural Talent' fate prophecy simply by rerunning the Trial of Humility?

[hidden kindle]

Just noticed beating a run gives some titles... got "Hand of Demeter" instead of the regular Titan Slayer, and saw in #h2-victory-boasting there's also "Swimming in Gold".

anyone else got something unique?

[gusty lichen]

i pinged u in victory channel

[mint cedar]

Hand of is for when you get a lot of a god’s boons

[hidden kindle]

Cool!

[charred seal]

Well maybe there should be some risk/reward element to it

[zenith bolt]

i saw "Friends in Low Places"

in victory boasting

[hidden kindle]

wonder what's the condition for that

[thin lantern]

...implying that reducing the percentage reduction a bit makes it so there is no risk?

[bleak night]

@gusty lichen Vow Panic is the one that removes your mana bar with each boon above common you own, right ?

[gusty lichen]

no

[bleak night]

which one is it

[gusty lichen]

u start each room with 0 mana

[bleak night]

I used Staff and spammed Special without charging it lol

[charred seal]

It definitely reduces it.

[bleak night]

I went with a build that just straight up didn't care if I had no mana

[mint cedar]

Then it’s free heat

[grizzled canopy]

I just hit a crazy king's ransom

[gusty lichen]

oh, i was spamming staff runs before i got like 5 times act 3 without +proj on special

[thin lantern]

obviously, but you said 'maybe there should be some', and yes, there absolutely would still be some :v

[zenith bolt]

what is the staff memes? just take poseidon special and spam special?

[gusty lichen]

i starter doing Pan daggers omega special, with tracking one

[grizzled canopy]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/605952347113390102/1238130697051574323/kingsRansom.png?ex=663e2a91&is=663cd911&hm=ae43bb04fb07e8e1d672fd0cf0062b57a8b7bd088900269543632f5cf99b2f80&
Like this is so crazy

bridal glow being sacrificed means I keep the rarity boost

[mint cedar]

Lol

[zenith bolt]

insane

[thin lantern]

l m a o that's incredible

[gusty lichen]

feels like if u dont get +1 special proj u're screwed

[thin lantern]

can't believe you're allowed to just trick hera like that

[mint cedar]

Quick divorce

[grizzled canopy]

its for sure intended lol

[zenith bolt]

nah divorce is the zeus/hera duo where she takes the house, kids, and the boons

[grizzled canopy]

unfort I didn't get the wack sacrifice boon, but its fine. this is such a better loadout. my hammer gives me the faster special too

[split igloo]

That's strange. I have been deleting everything with Persephone omega special.

My first Chronos kill was with the skull omega special spam.

[mint cedar]

The onion testament is so annoying though

[gusty lichen]

@bleak nightkinda surprised u didnt use vow of forsaking(remove 2 non chosen), isnt it kinda free?

[zenith bolt]

doesnt onion vow make all god keepsakes useless

[gusty lichen]

dont use onion

[zenith bolt]

or at least, significantly worse

[gusty lichen]

can u reroll onion?

[bleak night]

the Fear nodes I chose were pretty much perfect for me to cheese with my build tbf

[thin lantern]

that can be very very brutal imo

[gusty lichen]

is that so?

[mint cedar]

I thought it was free when I used it one run and still got a bunch of boons but then the next run I kept getting mini bosses as first boons of the area

[still arrow]

the daedalus hammer boon where the witch staff hits twice is way too op when matched with hestia's scorch

[slim cloud]

I will have to try this out o.o

[split igloo]

Yeah I literally never used the attacks lol.

[zenith bolt]

i had a cool omega special staff build

[gusty lichen]

when matched with posseidon

[charred seal]

I think the requirement is build altering in an interesting way, but the boon itself does not offer nearly enough benefit for it to actually enable the build it tries to introduce

[thin lantern]

maybe not immediately, but vow of forsaking will eventually cut the boon pool by an absurd degree over the course of a run

[zenith bolt]

with apollo's legendary and using the nuke hex for invuln

[gusty lichen]

i see it as a buff not a debuff

[charred seal]

Reducing the penalty will make it less build altering

[gusty lichen]

from the way how it works

[mint cedar]

I want to know if you can one shot chronos though

[thin lantern]

until you're forced to choose between duo/legendary or something. pain

[slim cloud]

LOOOL me with the torches….

[zenith bolt]

what's funny is you can charge the nuke hex while it's waiting to drop, so in theory if you could regen and spend like 160 magick in 4 seconds you could stay invuln forever

[gusty lichen]

i wish it was like that

but i mean

[split igloo]

Torches I love too, Eos specifically, I just hold attack and spam dash.

[charred seal]

Ok I'm done talking about Zeus energy boon lmao

[agile galleon]

How can i unlock hera's boon?

[mint cedar]

It’s doable

[split igloo]

My favorites are Eos and Persephone. Everything else is too hard for me.

[gusty lichen]

i misunderstood at first, ye i can see that

[mint cedar]

Circe staff has infinite mana

[zenith bolt]

thanatos aspect is my beloved

[bleak night]

honestly, the weapon itself is kinda just plain broken. It'll work with almost any special. This is damage without boons, too. Just run as many Mana Primers as you can find for passive stats considering you never use Omega moves anyway ||https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1238124170282532944/1238131406337609839/spam_special.mp4?ex=663e2b3a&is=663cd9ba&hm=29ff183678125d4abce807862adbb9739645b94ef3bc8e683aca2d9434e283b3||

[mint cedar]

I played the entire Eris fight in 80% slow

[thin lantern]

man, I'm so bad with skulls. I can't even get to Cerb on fear 1 because I keep dying in the field itself.

[charred seal]

Thanatos aspect enjoyer

[slim cloud]

Even Axes’ #Spin2Win?

[split igloo]

I have no reaction time and die instantly.

[mint cedar]

Time slow doesn’t stack right

[split igloo]

Eos and Persephone need no reaction time.

[gusty lichen]

usually what i want is Posseidon special, Hestia/Zeus cast targeting, and freeze cast from demeter

[split igloo]

Because they are both ranged.

[gusty lichen]

rest is absolutely irrelevant

[slim cloud]

Ah, the Run & Gun philosophy. Respect.

[gusty lichen]

what u think about pan omega special?

[split igloo]

Persephone + Hitch = where are the enemies.

[slim cloud]

(Mostly running when I do it)

[split igloo]

The omega special has gigantic range and AoE. And it dashes you.

[bleak night]

for 32 Fear ?

[gusty lichen]

ye

[slim cloud]

Ok but fr tho. Hitch is boom or bust, but when it booms… SHEESH

[split igloo]

It's like the old Chaos Shield but easier to use.

Hitch + big AoE is so easy. Persephone omega special makes it very easy.

[charred seal]

Hera keeps making my jaw drop every time I play staff

[split igloo]

It's either Hera or Aphrodite for me on it. Aphrodite makes it op against bosses.

Hera is a bit easier against mobs.

[tired turret]

I love poseidon on blades attack

[charred seal]

Ever since Hera bow in H1 I've been worshipping that damn name

[grizzled canopy]

hitch to me is just another free curse

[bleak night]

it's pretty good, I managed to beat the Surface with it, but I don't think I can do it for an underground run. My starting keepsake was Concave Stone, and I found Poseidon on spawn, so I got that and then just did his keepsake again in order to gain more
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[grizzled canopy]

cuz like the buff it gives to ur attack or special is a damage boost, so hitch is just kinda on as a curse

and it sticks for awhile too

[thin lantern]

I wish you could Hitch yourself to an enemy, but only one way

[grizzled canopy]

so origination just gives you more damage

[split igloo]

@slim cloud There is a hammer that makes the omega special return (double hits). And one that doubles its damage but makes it hit only to the left.

[gusty lichen]

its just same tech as staff

[charred seal]

Opinion on aphro/Hera duo boon?

[gusty lichen]

posseidon special + zeus cast target + demeter cast

[split igloo]

With both of those you get 1K damage from one charge regularly (without strong boons).

[tired turret]

The axe psychic attackl with Apollo sprint is insane

[slim cloud]

Only to the left??

[split igloo]

On a giant AoE that dashes you.
Yes, only to the left.

[gusty lichen]

and mana regen from anyone

[bleak night]

My hammers turned my Special knives into a one-directional target shot + it was able to come back and do backstab damage. I almost never relied on the cast on enemies and planted it on myself since I got Apollo's Mana regen

[gusty lichen]

u dont want that

[split igloo]

It takes a bit of time to get used to but now I always hit it.

[slim cloud]

Ok, this convo making me want to give torches a fair shot. TY @split igloo

[split igloo]

I am talking about skulls.

[bleak night]

It worked pretty well though, but it's only just surface atm, so it's not as tough ig

[gusty lichen]

aoe knives is a grief

[split igloo]

Persephone is a skull.
Eos is a boomerang spam torch.

[slim cloud]

NVM LOL NEVER LIKED TORCHES ANYWAYS

[gusty lichen]

coz they hit walls in underground

[tired turret]

Yeah torches are difficult to get used to because its not direct

[sleek pine]

hello people

[gusty lichen]

instead of reaching target destination

[split igloo]

Lol ok!

[bleak night]

[gusty lichen]

it only works on dog boss coz there is no walls

[bleak night]

I've only done the Pan Blades once for underground runs

[slim cloud]

I need wake up bean juice lol brain too tired

[gusty lichen]

[bleak night]

it was alright, but I only had the usual 3 heat

[split igloo]

Torch attacks go through walls btw.

[languid stream]

PSA on first boss fight in case it wasn't known - but ||you can guide Hecate's sheep hex into your familiar so you don't get turned||. I found it easier then dodging it.

[sleek pine]

someone who made the hades 1 platinum can help me?

[split igloo]

I would dance around walls a lot with Eos.

[gusty lichen]

i did 5 from 1 heat to 10 currently

[mint cedar]

Btw is it aphro on boomerang torch attack

[dreamy inlet]

i feel like the shield on the axe is really unreliable sometimes (in terms of angle), i really think it needs a bit more range on the cone of block

[slim cloud]

[gusty lichen]

most op thing is return proj, great thing is faster cast + reduced cost from hammers

[agile galleon]

How can i unlock hera's boon?

[thin lantern]

Is there a hard cap on the amount of Nightmare you can get in this current build, and does it keep you from maxing out all aspects available?

[gusty lichen]

no hard cap

[bleak night]

I just casually leave it at 9 heat now, https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1238134327389327380/image.png?ex=663e2df3&is=663cdc73&hm=9de4bb9e12ab03ee84d4c7fe8504d4acb28925ac8b55e5c0f1fd554282222db7&

-Enemy has two blue hearts that take damage before their armor/main HP bar does
-9 minute timer per area
-25% chance for enemies that spawn to be from the next region

[mint cedar]

I tried aphro just now but having to stand next to enemies was not fun

[mint cedar]

Pretty sure the broker sells it

[bleak night]

It's pretty fun

[thin lantern]

Oh, it said While Supplies Last so I thought Nightmare was a limited buy from Broker.

[split igloo]

No, I use Hestia because I don't want to be that close on it.

[tulip heath]

I feel like I don’t fundamentally understand the Arcana system

[bleak night]

What part do you need help understanding regarding it ?

[white steppe]

what are the units of time? like what is equivalent to 1 time unit of a plant growing or something brewing

[mint cedar]

Actually what about Hera

[split igloo]

I guess against mobs.

[gusty lichen]

does hit from special and hit from posseidon counts as two separate instances of damage for barrier? so it removes both

[mint cedar]

A floor

[tired turret]

1 door iirc

[bleak night]

nop

[gusty lichen]

damn

[mint cedar]

Or is it because you hit the same enemy a lot so hestia burns a lot

[split igloo]

I could also try Poseidon.

[bleak night]

what weap ?

[tulip heath]

Well for one I tried activating one of the 0 cards but nothing happened, do you need to have all the cards around it unlocked for something to happen

[split igloo]

Because I can get through 300 scorch quickly for a boom boom.

[tired turret]

I dont get hestia

[bleak night]

the Awakening are the requirements to activate them

[split igloo]

Eos.

[bleak night]

ah, I'm somehow toddler-level whenever I put those Torches on

[split igloo]

Poseidon/Hestia are horrible on the Persephone skull omega special spam.

[glad nova]

Hey guys, how do I start unlocking alternate aspects?

[split igloo]

Maybe just brain differences. I can't play anything else other than Eos/Persephone.

[bleak night]

beat Hecate with all 5 weapons once

[tired turret]

Then beat her once morw

[split igloo]

My worst weapon is sickle-blade.

[glad nova]

But I did. Guess Ill have to wait for the dialogue then. Ty!

[bleak night]

ah, ig

[gusty lichen]

i couldnt even beat the trial that has 1 difficulty with torches

[bleak night]

yeah, might need to progress dialogue first then

[gusty lichen]

the one that gives u full heroic fire and posseidon

that weapon is so uncomfy to use

same as skull

[glad nova]

Is the conversation right before the boss fight, or in the camp?

[celest swallow]

i hadn't even used the fifth when she told me about the incantation, think it's just a time/number of runs thing

[mint cedar]

Tbh I don’t really understand how Persephone skull works

[tired turret]

I really like the style of skull

[bleak night]

ah, this one ? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1238135592017985597/image.png?ex=663e2f20&is=663cdda0&hm=46096696102ffc7c9d6734ffcc9f99012ad09cfe1676b82b4a5fcda7a917d4bd&

[thin lantern]

did you unlock it?

[gusty lichen]

[split igloo]

It's about encountering her with all 5 weapons.

[celest swallow]

probably having them unlocked, yeah

[mint cedar]

Is there some kind of indicator for wrath, or what does wrath actually do

[split igloo]

Not necessarily beating. Just encountering her with all.

[bleak night]

it was after you beat her iirc

[glad nova]

thanks!

[celest swallow]

as in having all 5 unlocked, because again i hadn't used the skull at all, just had it unlocked. just to clarify for others

[gusty lichen]

bring back knuckles

[bleak night]

I want the bow back

[mint cedar]

I tried it on skele but I didn’t see any damage number increase

[split igloo]

Then maybe all unlocked, encountered with 4.

[bleak night]

wrath ?

[split igloo]

Or something like that.

[mint cedar]

Persephone skull

[gusty lichen]

6th weapon will be ranged

so 3 melee 3 ranged

[thin lantern]

every weapon is a bow if you build omega attack 4Head

[gusty lichen]

he wants perfect shot

[split igloo]

Staff is ranged though?

[grizzled canopy]

play staff then. that has perfect shot lol

[gusty lichen]

its mid ranged kinda

[zenith bolt]

staff is ranged with melee elements

[split igloo]

Staff, skull, torch all have long range normal attacks/specials.

[bleak night]

oh, you mean Glory ?

[gusty lichen]

@bleak nighthave u tried omega attack on staff? double thing

[mint cedar]

Oh yeah I meant that

[bleak night]

yeah, but it was one of my earlier ones, no Fear

[split igloo]

Maybe it's another quirky hybrid tbh.

[bleak night]

you see that circle next to your ammo

it'll fill up by hitting enemies, then when you use your Special, it consumes all of it

[tired turret]

I like the hammer on staff that makes attacks double strike

[bleak night]

it'll barely move up when you're hitting Skelly because it grows a lot by hitting a lot of enemies at a time

[mint cedar]

Oh

[gusty lichen]

try double + posseidon special

[still arrow]

is plaintative echoes good?

[thin lantern]

What is that?

[tired turret]

I always think the special is too slow. Am I meant to spam or omega or?

[versed oak]

If anyone is looking for a fairly easy build, aspect of artemis sister blades + aphrodite attack is a nasty combo. I was regularly hitting for 1-2k damage. Happy to post details if anyone is curious.

[pearl estuary]

Any have a good build for the axe

[still arrow]

Replace all spent use of death defiance with ones that restore 50% life and magic, then less and less

[thin lantern]

Ah. It's very strong, yes

[bleak night]

Apollo or Aphro on your attack and start spinning with that thing

[gusty lichen]

spam

[bleak night]

Aphro for pure damage, Apollo so you can have some higher AoE and stay a bit safer, away from your target

[charred seal]

The Dodge boon on echo is nice

[gusty lichen]

what about Hera

[bleak night]

it's good, but sadly it isn't as good for bosses as the other two, so depends on the user

if you're used to boss attack patterns, run Hera to destroy mobs

[mint cedar]

okay binding special to scroll wheel does not work as one might hope

[bleak night]

the only good boss to run Hera on is Scylla, I guess

[pearl estuary]

Ok will try that when I’m done with work

[bleak night]

The axe has some interesting mechanics that I've been practicing

[thin lantern]

tbf all bosses have adds now, only Hecate has them during an invuln phase only

[pearl estuary]

It’s almost like the shield?

[bleak night]

Axe is basically Arthur Sword from the first game, but with the added bonus of a Shield on your special

[gusty lichen]

nothing is like shield

and no explosive knuckles

[tired turret]

Thats what I was thinking

[gusty lichen]

5.3k crit sword

[rose geyser]

Had great fun earlier stacking scorch with lim and oros and then sprinting around with hera dash to make everyone very slowly burn to death. It's not a good build but it is hilarious

[pearl estuary]

What are good hammers with the build

[gusty lichen]

if u are not getting scorch 300 mod, it becomes rly bad to play one

[thin lantern]

question. did you win spending roughly a whole business day slowly toasting chronos like a marshmallow?

[bleak night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1238138784944750663/image.png?ex=663e3219&is=663ce099&hm=86eaa887e193aaffe9c7ea8f77326537fd51d7dfafd78cc4bb81c3c12d20369d& You'll honestly be having the time of your life if you find this one

[rose geyser]

Oh I barely even got out of erebus, i am far too unskilled to win with anything less than pure cheese (and even then I haven't managed it yet)

[thin lantern]

I await the scorch only win that takes three hours

[cloud wadi]

Hiiii so I just joined, is it bad form to ask specific build questions in here?

[pearl estuary]

No

[bleak night]

does it count if it's Scorch + Demeter duo ?

[split igloo]

So far I'm going for blades with aphro or heph on attack, and aphro or demeter on cast. Do yall recommend any changes or any specific hammers? (I don't know how to feel about the special, it feels very uncomfortable with the fact its generally underwhelming unless you're doing omega at close range which is fairly risky

[zenith bolt]

psychic whirlwind is S tier hammer tbh. it doesn't explicitly say it, but you are free to do anything actually, including dashing etc

[bleak night]

I did Scorcher Pan for a surface run a while ago, and hitting with Demeter Attack doubled the Scorch on the target https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238124170282532944/1238139328639537223/image.png?ex=663e329b&is=663ce11b&hm=eed30c8c7917dd01b9d5e10f29b2fd5c3b2ec37d5657e498f1dad8ce6da2da05&

[cloud wadi]

I saw that there’s an option on the fated list for beating Hecate without any arcana but am struggling to deactivate the automatically-activated 0 grasp cards. Is there a workaround for that, that anyone knows about?

[thin lantern]

as long as you don't actually use demeter and just do burn damage lmao

[bleak night]

there's a Trial that you can do that has no Arcana active, so just do that

[zenith bolt]

theres a vow to turn off all your arcana, as well

[bleak night]

I attacked scorching targets with Demeter, but I mostly spammed Specials for Scorch

[cloud wadi]

Oh awesome, sweet! Thanks so much. 🙏

[lime eagle]

If it's just the duo boon one active then the fated list still completes

[cloud wadi]

Yep that’s the one! Good to know thank you all so so much

[tired turret]

I like blades with poseidon attack and Zeus special

[split igloo]

What hammer do you go for

[tired turret]

Oh I don't care

[bleak night]

I just learned that the Omega Special for the Axe allows you to dash while you're about to toss it out to either extend the range or change the direction of the thing

so uh, that's interesting

[wild pine]

Hah, I kind of hate that. I am constantly dodging away as its about to go off and firing it backwards

[simple compass]

I hate that, I'd rather it cancelled if I dashed out of it because it's way more common to need to dodge away/to the side than to dodge towards the enemy you're attacking

[tired turret]

I love Apollo on the axe

[simple compass]

Just wastes magic, and it's not like it needs a range extension

[bleak night]

Oh, if you want to use the special purely for defense, I suggest spamming the button instead of holding it

it has no downtime

[simple compass]

Putting on the Apollo trinket is the start of every axe run to get him on attack for me. It's so comfy to hit the whole screen

[split igloo]

Magick gets infinite very quickly.

I spam omega special on Persephone skull only 24/7 haha.

Favourite hexes?

[tulip heath]

It’s the only build I’ve had moderate success with I’m so bad at this game

[split igloo]

For me it's the Night Bloom one. Some enemies do all the work for me.

Interesting

[warm rover]

Any build with demeter is a good build imo

[split igloo]

With her on anything specific?

[warm rover]

Best will depend on weapon and type of attack but freezing is always huge

[simple compass]

The axe attack builds seem great vs almost everything except Chronos himself. Overall I think it's much harder than game 1 though

[tulip heath]

I haven’t even made it to Chronos and I’m on like night 25 if I start a fresh hades 1 file I’ve usually already beat the game a handful’s of times by this point

[fleet dagger]

So far, I like using the staff or blades with Hephaestus sprint and special, Aphrodite on cast, and either for attack.

[bleak night]

I really love the Axe because it has a lot of mechanics to make it play optimally