h2-builds-and-combat

[zinc steeple]

Personally, I question Hestia and Demeter's synergy

[sand crow]

Watch as this ages like milk in the future lol

[zinc steeple]

Fire and Ice makes everything nice c:

[quasi berry]

I bet blue flames

[faint shore]

Hestia's magick regen seems incredibly strong

currently recover about 20 mp every 5 seconds

[forest mortar]

hmmm got demeter's cast (perpetual aoe zone, dot basically) and hestia's cast (projectile, can select the zone from afar), seems overpowered for the early zones

[half kernel]

Currently using epic Hestia attack with sister blades this shreds

[thin lantern]

The Apollo dash boon is hilarious

But the steering on this thing... whew

[chrome gazelle]

Still incredibly useful to relocate during boss fight

[thin lantern]

yeah, I mean it's good, but the momentum making you steer funny is hilarious

[flint coral]

Do the prime boons automatically prime ?

[olive ridge]

guys have you tried the staff hammer that allows you to powershot with special? I dont get what is the timing, cant seem to get it even once

[left field]

yeah the prime is automatic

The new ||Axe|| weapon is very fun

[split igloo]

Wow Demeter is so much stronger this game!

[left field]

Poseidon's Attack on the ||new axe weapon|| makes your attack arc genuinely colossal

[tender flint]

so i dont know if this is the correct channel but i will post it here what are yall thoughts on the sprint I find it wierd not bad just wierd having to constantly hold a button while also trying to use special and not miss input something just feels wierd do yall rebind it or just get used to it

[trim plume]

It's not so bad being on Space since the thumb isn't doing much else

[thin lantern]

Feels strong but just fine to me. Good ol' Galleon Mortar vibes

[waxen birch]

Maybe this is a little early to say, but the boons giving constant damage in your Cast seem pretty busted

When you compare those ones to the other common boons, they seem to be always the correct choice (with the staff. though those boons prolly aren't even available for other weapons)

[wary prairie]

What are the best keepsakes as of now?

Thinking of who to gift stuff first

[waxen birch]

Btw a question about something that happens beyond Erebus: ||Am I supposed to know what Eris even cursed me with? I have no clue how her visit effected me||

[jagged stone]

I had already remapped dash to a shoulder button in Hades 1 so doing the same for 2 has made holding it to sprint pretty intuitive so far, maybe that will also help you

[boreal lintel]

You can check in your boon slots

[waxen birch]

ty

[daring nexus]

can someone explain Scorch to me?

the boon description says it deals 45 DMG every second, but the scorch tooltip says something about "40 damage accrued"

[half kernel]

I'm pretty sure what it does is it stores that 40 damage and releases it over time while you kill other stuff

[novel viper]

same question here, cannot figure out what precisely 'scorch' does
"accrued" here is definitely confusing, for me it implies something with re-aplying 'scorch'

[rotund timber]

Why do keepsakes seem to expire? Ghost onion expires past clearing Erebus for me

[violet lagoon]

it lasts up to a maximum of 50 health recovered throughout the night at level 1. So if you recover 50 health before you get out of Erebus it will expire

[rotund timber]

I see. Is there any documentation where this is mentioned yet?

[violet lagoon]

In the description of the keepsake in the weapon room in the crossroads

[rotund timber]

Ah

[candid kernel]

What’s the nectar thing to give gods and people for keepsakes?

[civic wing]

My favorite build so far is what I'm gonna call "Made in heaven" where you use Apollo's speed buff and the time slowing arcana to make jojo references

[flint coral]

Hephaestus rules

[keen quartz]

Nectar

[candid kernel]

Do you still get nectar the same way?

[tender flint]

honestly just remapped it to lt and it aint to bad

[brittle scroll]

anyone knows who's keepsakes is best offensively?

[keen quartz]

I dont know the conditions to unlock it, it might be tied to an incantation. Broker sells it, and I got one the default room reward way but i dont know how common it is

[unique compass]

Is it just me or Soot Sprint is really op

[thick knoll]

What youbthink best keepsake is early game?

I was thinking skelly seeing its pretty usefull early

[oak falcon]

How do you guys feel about the axe? I think it's the weapon that's clicked least for me so far

[keen quartz]

i liked it, i was using mostly the attack and rarely the special

Combos felt a bit weird, i couldnt tell when the 3rd attack was going to come

[oak falcon]

Same, sometimes I could have sworn I only clicked attack twice yet melinoe still went for the final strike

[keen quartz]

Has anyone used the skull yet?

Also everyones praising the sister blades so i gotta try it again but I'm finding i definitely dont like melee range combat as much as ranged

[split igloo]

Is that a weapon?

[keen quartz]

Yeah shows up as the 5th unlockable one

[split igloo]

Wow!

[keen quartz]

Dont know whether you can get it or not though, i dont have either resource required but im only 6 runs in

[split igloo]

I am looking forward to it.

[left field]

How to go way too fast
||https://i.imgur.com/uzIjh7r.mp4||

wait no it just got worse

im even faster now

[safe moon]

Haven't made it far, but Hestia attack + explosion with Apollo's double strike boon already sounds insane for an attack focused build
Burn 'em twice and if they're close together cause multiple explosions

[tender flint]

im really struggling with the dash it just feels bad i cant explain like it feels heavy and not as quick as hades 1 got to get used to it

[left field]

yeah it takes some time, keep an eye on the trail you leave. it times how long until you can dash again

[tender flint]

oh

[polar sonnet]

what weapon yall running?

[tender flint]

ok good to know didnt realize I assume hence the sprint existing so that while ur dash is on cool down you have another option for movement

[tender flint]

personally bought the sicle and staby not bad but like the staff more need to play a lot more

[left field]

I use a mix of all so far, the ||Axe|| is my favourite though

[polar sonnet]

ive done a run with all but the skull head one. I am kinda stickin to the staff tho

[tender flint]

havent gotten the other weapons yet

[keen quartz]

I like the torch, but im kinda terrible at it, aiming is hard and the visual clutter distracts me a bit

[polar sonnet]

i got an insane daedalus hammer upgrade on the staff so when i get kills with the charged normal attack i get 5 health

[tender flint]

I love the sicle upgrade where the special bounces around it was kinda broken but couldnt get a good boon on it

[split igloo]

I can't get the staff to work for me lol. But the torch is safe enough.

[polar sonnet]

i got the poseidon boon with the bubbles that restore magick. i can basically spam the charged attacks

[tender flint]

yeah that was fun also

[civic wing]

Is there a way to restore magick while attacking with those flame staffs?

[tender flint]

yeah but i think it removes health dont know the name of it its like rapidly restore but lose health

[civic wing]

Worth

Do you know where to get it?

[split igloo]

The torch special is so strong wow.

[tender flint]

just a hestia boon dont really know got it randomly\

[civic wing]

Ah cool thanks

[next heath]

how do you spend psyche to get more access to the cards??

like

[left field]

select the grasp meter itself

[next heath]

oh

[flint jolt]

guys aphrodite's flutter strike with the daedulus' hammer double wollup literally vaporizes enemies, i beat the miniboss in 10 seconds

[next heath]

thanks XD

[prisma wharf]

Hestias cast boon does so much damage, i got a double cast from apollo so i was taking off 1000 points of damage in like 10 secs

[left field]

how to go even faster than I was going before
||https://i.imgur.com/1MQU80g.mp4||

[polar sonnet]

those sprint boosts go crazy

[prisma wharf]

Thats insane

[tender flint]

FIRST TIME BEAT HECATE LETS GO

[dreamy inlet]

why cant i post pics? i have a question about giga moonburst, its either bugged or im stupid

[prisma wharf]

F10 to report it?

[dreamy inlet]

it may not be a bug and just me not understanding, but why cant i post a pic here?

https://imgur.com/a/5Uf3KwR

i hold the Y channeled, i have "controlled burn" which also adds a +10 cost

so together it should be 50, while at full mana, it just doesnt proc

UNLESS by +10 it means i need 60 base mana?

[split igloo]

OMG I SAW A CHAOS GATE

[unique compass]

no way

[split igloo]

OMFG THEY ARE GLORIOUS

[timber verge]

What am I supposed to do against ||Scylla and the sirens|| ???

[split igloo]

Chaos is soooooooooooo pretty this time.

[timber verge]

The fight is so hectic

[vernal dock]

We cooking ladies and gentleman. Hope you are all having as much fun as i am

[split igloo]

TRANSCENDENT EMBRYO
YES

[brittle scroll]

anyone find any broken duo boons so far?

[cinder palm]

Personally I kill the drumer and guitarist first

Scylla aren't much of a problem first phase, and then you just target whoever the featured artist is and the drumer

[heady hawk]

same!!

[cinder palm]

Yeahh her aoe adds a lot to the hectic so taking her out first is key

[split igloo]

The Chaos boons are so broken this time around omg.

[hoary quiver]

Is the "The Huntress" arcana permanently active when you have reserved magick?

[keen quartz]

Anyone encounter a duo boon yet?

[dark whale]

Hecatae is the prettiest to me

[cinder palm]

Yeah got zeus and demeter, poseidon and demeter already

[dark whale]

Yes. I got one for ||haphaestus and Poseidon||

[keen quartz]

nice

[cinder palm]

Also does your death defiance ever go past one? I think I mighy need 2 to beat the final boss lol

[brittle scroll]

i got one for ||the god of forge and fire||

[dark whale]

What weapons have y'all found the most success with?

[daring nexus]

So apparently Ionic Gain + that "prime 50 Magick for chain bolts" boon from Zeus... leaves you with 0 Magick. 😛

[prisma wharf]

For specific location 2 fight || the boss angler fish thing, when it sends out the bombs theres a relatively safe space by the bottom orange square||

[pure estuary]

so i have to pin a boon in order to have it equipped?

[daring nexus]

no

[gaunt matrix]

currently playing spear with nova flourish + double moonshot. absolutely cracked

really hoping there’s apollo / hestia duo boons atm because i plan on going for them exclusively (when possible)

[foggy venture]

You can breath more and play more patient until phase "3" I guess. Where you get spam with fishies lol

[pure estuary]

ty

[distant root]

are the torches worth running? feel kinda meh though i might be missing the point

furthest i've been so far is location 3, didn't reach the boss though

[distant root]

||hmm, i wonder who helped you in the first game by giving an extra death defiance? maybe you should find them and give them a gift of nectar||

[dark whale]

sass isnt necessary

[distant root]

sass?

[tacit mauve]

I'm ngl, hepheastus kinda feels bad

[dark whale]

what god's boons are best for staff? i havent found the synergies like i did in the original hades

[stray fog]

I love curse builds for the staff.

[cursive oyster]

zeus’s prime is silly with the staff special for me

[stray fog]

Zeus has been great. Hestia and Aphrodite as well.

[dark whale]

noted

thank you

[cursive oyster]

i had a good run with lightning prime, double wallop, and flutter strike

and like scorch on special

[stray fog]

Opposite to me! Scorch on main. Zeus on Special.

[cursive oyster]

really? i liked the idea of just stacking scorch and lightning from a safe distance

also flutter strike plus double wallop is heat

especially with aphro cast grouping everyone up

[stray fog]

I should note I had the Daedalus hammer that made my reach super long.

[cursive oyster]

ah

[stray fog]

Yeah. So I would special once and then hit with the burn. Pop the cloud and boom.

[cursive oyster]

i wanna try a run with arty’s keepsake but i’m too bad at the game to use it

seems silly

[spare kite]

It was fun during the tech test but idk how it holds up during a full run, need to buy a lot of armor

[sharp seal]

final boss is kicking my ass, lunar dust doesnt seem easy to get but i feel like i should upgrade one of my cards, any ideas?

saving to upgrade death defiance might take a while

[split igloo]

I just can't get used to the axe.

[tender flint]

I love the torch weapon so far the my favorite and hephestus favorite boons aphro second

gonna try axe now

[cursive oyster]

i don’t get the torches tbh

[warm cypress]

I agree torches feel a little silly to me.

[tender flint]

I like them a lot they feel intuitive

[cursive oyster]

how do you do damage with them?

[tender flint]

the best way i can tell why is do nier automata hacking sections lots of spaming one attack

[warm cypress]

I feel like a tickle monster

[tender flint]

oh ye get zeus or aphro on special and the hephestus on attack and trying getting lots of poms and every 5 seconds ur attack does like 200 dmg

and then get the hammer that splits the first attack and OOOH BABY we cooking

but currently trying axe its like arthur but better from hades 1 its what I wanted arthur to be

so far the best god for me is hephestus that 200 dmg passive goes crazy aphro i like and i dont know about others they feel wonky except hermes or artemis since they like support

[cursive oyster]

i’m still early game tbh

like run 6 and i just beat second boss

[tender flint]

i havent gotten to second boss

[cursive oyster]

how many runs did it take for hermes to show up?

[tender flint]

i dont know I would say about 6 or 8 not to sure Im kinda just zoning out and playing its super fun

[cursive oyster]

ohh not super long then

the second boss is so cool and the music slaps so hard

[tender flint]

the music and art is crazy

[cursive oyster]

yeah, hecate looks so cool

[tender flint]

hecate abs go crazy

[cursive oyster]

i love the little rope braid around her hat she shares with arty mel and selune

[tender flint]

yeah

[light ridge]

Anyone else who played Hades 1 getting wrecked by the fact that you can't knock projectiles out of the air 😅

[tender flint]

not really

[unborn halo]

Nah wasn't really a big deal for me

[tender flint]

I am getting screwed more by the dashes they feel super heavy compared to hades 1

[light ridge]

Yeah i miss my double dash so much

[unborn halo]

The only thing I had an issue with was the armored fish really

[split igloo]

Anyone know how to deal with the enemies that scream at you in Erebus?

[willow dawn]

i was just about to say that the dash feels a tad sluggish, but i might just be out of practice

[quaint bolt]

Dont let them start screaming

[crimson wave]

Armor

[quaint bolt]

If they do run

[willow dawn]

tbh i've just been dashing away and getting behind them. i find them too fast to avoid when they're screaming, but im also not the greatest gamer

[split igloo]

Thanks guys much appreciated!

[quaint bolt]

Well this gonna be specific but I feel like the axe throwing daedalus Hammer is kinda bad alone

Im not sure if anyone took it, but its the one that makes your omega attack travel a distance the more you hold it

[spare kite]

Unarmored any hit will stun them
If they have armor a base omega cast should destroy it

[quaint bolt]

Cause while the attack is happening you cant dash or do anything other than walk

Only if you have the Hammer that majes you able to attack while doin the omega attack, you can actually dash

[split igloo]

does anyone know how to use the nightmares yet?

[quaint bolt]

When with the normal omega attack you can dash out of it

[misty storm]

has anyone found a good build for the sister blades or moonstone axe?

[split igloo]

aphro special on blades is pretty cracked with the right hammers

moonstone axe is good with any high% attack buff

[misty storm]

thanks!

[split igloo]

for moonstone axe theres also poseidon on attack

its not very good, but it is funny because the splash aoe is massive

[sacred storm]

i'm having the most success with the twin blades right now, mostly because imo they control the most like a zag-style weapon out of the options available. still trying to find synergies, though, and hestia's been weirdly awol for like 6 whole runs.

[tired fulcrum]

Same i cant even find her to give a nectar to

[inland lance]

are there aspects like hades 1

[loud stag]

I haven't seen any yet

[thin lantern]

The twin blades are possibly a little overpowered with some hammers.

[tired fulcrum]

They imply there are aspects in the roadmap i think

[loud stag]

I just unlocked the torches and uhhh

they're going to take some getting used to

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah torches are weird

[inland lance]

okay sick

[thin lantern]

Like, the one with the giant 300% damage final slice is insanely strong, especially with Apollo's attack boon. You hit the entire screen every so often and it's a little ridiculous

[loud stag]

so weird to just kinda drift around the battlefield firing marshmallows at people

[thin lantern]

The staff feels a bit underpowered, like, maybe it could hit a LITTLE harder?

[loud stag]

or else filling the screen with spinning fireballs like you're a bullet hell boss

[thin lantern]

But can the marshmallows do proper damage

[loud stag]

only if you channel

[chrome gazelle]

volcanic strike is quite powerful especially since you reduce the cooldown by one second per lvl

[thin lantern]

I think the weirdest part of the torches is how LONG the attack channel takes to actually channel.

[loud stag]

at base they only do 15 damage

[tired fulcrum]

Yeah the base attack kinda sucks

[thin lantern]

Like the auto combo before the charge lasts forever. Longer than the axe shield drill

[loud stag]

I'm about as bad with the Axe but the Axe feels like it would be sweet to get good at it

[thin lantern]

Daggers and axe are nutty good though. Staff is slightly undertuned. Torches I haven't tried

[loud stag]

Torches are just kinda meh

[thin lantern]

Axe straight up carried me to the third biome. First try on it got me through sirens

Had Zeus/Aphro duo boon lmao

[tired fulcrum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1164101586138710037/1237235373126717561/image.png?ex=663ae8bb&is=6639973b&hm=2a12b0ecf36754cd4b0eca830d4b82ee1b42dc83c2b24a4a12a565234620d149&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1245&height=700 actually idk if this means if we already have them and theyre adding more or theyll be introduced in the next update

[inland lance]

boss

[thin lantern]

Although. I wonder. How many things are genuinely bad and how many just trip us up with Hades 1 muscle memory and conditioning

Like the Zeus/Aphro duo is just Merciful End 2.0, but you have to sprint to trigger it, which is not intuitive for H1 players. Same as how I got whacked by the root thing because I forgot you could run.

[drowsy epoch]

agree, slow and boring

[loud stag]

you'd think a ranged weapon that lets you move while firing would be good at avoiding damage, but then you realize it slows you down like you're on a mobility scooter. I guess you can dash while firing but then you need to be holding two buttons at once or you stop channeling.

[tender flint]

again i guess its my time playing nier automata with the droids that shoot and hacking but the torches are currently my favorites so much dmg with either hephestus or hestia I love it takes a bit to get used to it but its so much fun

[vagrant talon]

Does anyone else feel like the channeled attack for the dual wield is just broken? I'm just permanently blinking around and getting backstabs

[green jewel]

Woah I think your dash may reset on attack hit…

[vagrant talon]

Like it's way too cheap at 10

[azure stratus]

I feel very strong out of the gate. I have not lost top hecate yet

[untold cargo]

Sheeeesh you can stack some wild stuff onto sprinting. Is there a way to view past builds in this yet?

[faint spade]

Sister blades feel so crazy imo

I just had one where I stacked Hestia boons and with the flame infuse rocked everything

[rough bear]

I guess the payoff is that some enemies hit like a truck if you're in range so deciding if you want to be at risk Vs further away is the trade off

[faint spade]

I think another thing that helped me a lot was having demeter's cast, the freeze feels nice

[green jewel]

Just went and tried. It slaps!

[thin lantern]

My favorite cast boons are the "bomb this spot" ones

[vagrant talon]

its really slow tho, so probably no good for speedrunners

[thin lantern]

But they should launch in an arc imo

Or no, we should have some others that do

[faint spade]

Yessss I love the fireball one from hestia, that and Apollo's "BOMB THEM" one

[tender flint]

god I love my torch got to cerburus with it

[remote dock]

sister blades w/ hammer that make your special return to you and backstab on return... very strong...

just get some mana regen

and u have both aoe and single target dps

it affects both normal special and omega

[dark whale]

I hate it when I get a centaur heart as the only option when I'm doing an artemis keepsake run.

[split igloo]

hi, is there a way i can increase my health permanently? i read that hades 1 had a feature called mirror , and was wondering if hades 2 had something like that too

[safe bone]

yeah its a part of the tarot card system. you have to unlock the right cards with the Ashes resource

[livid reef]

ah, a seasoned rail enjoyer

[thin lantern]

I've been here since the Galleon Mortar days.

[dark whale]

Aspect of eres (iirc) rail is so goated

the one where you do more damage after absorbing the blast

[livid reef]

triple bomb + hazard bomb is where it's at

aim? why? I'm good

[split igloo]

i have given the npc the nectar and the UI says +1 on health but my health is still capped at 30

[spare kite]

how does the ||scylla|| boss fight work, namely the ||"featured artist" thing||

[safe bone]

always liked the lore vibes of that. eris is all about shooting yourself with your own gun, and for another example aphro boons favor you to be close to enemies rather than far away because intimacy. that subtle bit of gameplay character matching is pretty underrated

[livid reef]

it's a lot like the EM furies fight in Hades 1

[tender flint]

what would yall say are good boons with blink daggers

[livid reef]

things that let you engage safely, range is ass. scorch has been working pretty well for me

[tender flint]

got u

[spare kite]

the armor destroying hammer from the staff is hilarious

[sand crow]

guys

getting the backstab hammer for the twin blades along with Aphro attack is nuts

[thin lantern]

Yeah thought it would be, much like the equivalent from Hades 1.

[sand crow]

The Channeled version of the attack automatically hits them on the side not facing you

Or I should say it hits them on the side opposite you, which is usually their back lol

So you get free backstabs and the damage is HUGE

[hard geyser]

What's the best combo with Apollo's orbital laser on cast?

[thin lantern]

What boon is that? I want it

[grand locust]

anyone got tips for the blade?

[hard geyser]

I don't remember what it's called lol. But I had Hestia's fireball cast, rooting people in place and then Apollo does an orbital laser at the end of the cast

[thin lantern]

Ah it's the one that pops at the end

[spare kite]

the only one that matches it really is breaching cross lmao, doing a % of armor is nuts

[thin lantern]

I was talking about Breaching Cross. It lives, basically

[oak falcon]

I really like the omega attack hammer for the blades, the one that makes it do way more damage but cost more magic.

[coral star]

is it just me or is main attack for most weapons great with posiden?

[grand locust]

ive been thinking the same thing

[hard geyser]

I like Ygnium's special with Poseidon. Pinball baby

[forest mortar]

Ygnium special is good, ygnium attack is 🙄

[meager forge]

Is there a way for dashing to be smoother on m&k?

I feel like it's not as smooth as hades 1, where there is no delay on dashing

[hard geyser]

Yeah it's rough. I don't like that the attack doesn't do as far if you dash backwards while it's on

[remote dock]

one of them will have empowred attacks and movesets

[tender flint]

im not getting any good boons for the blink dagger build sage

[hard geyser]

The movement definitely feels a bit more precise

[golden escarp]

For an early access game, this is the most fun I have had in months

Its actually insane

[safe bone]

what about vulnerability? always the same?

[latent solstice]

I agree
A little more floaty

[meager forge]

I feel like there's a small delay after each dash and it kinda ruins my combo

Idk if it's skill issue or something

[icy canopy]

Yes dash seems to be a bit slow

[grizzled valley]

question, I've been dying a lot in later areas and I've noticed I'm doing a lot less damadge than I'd like to. My main playstyle has been hording boons, and I rarely every pick up poms. Is there an issue with the upgrades I'm picking or should I just pratice dodging?

[latent solstice]

I've adjusted to the difference but Hades I seemed more snappy with dash movement specifically

[dark whale]

staff. hestia magick upgrade, artemis keepsake. drop nukes

[golden escarp]

Poms are very strong, especially the later you get

[thin lantern]

What hestia magick, what does the artemis keepsake do

[tender flint]

anyone know how escalating ambush works does the power up retain after I leave the room

[dark whale]

hestia magick that allows you to regenerate magick but reduce your life total. artemis boon gives you crit chance

[thin lantern]

Ah

[grizzled valley]

i would love to nuke but sometimes enemies hit me for 15+ dmg and I'm very bad at dodging. but that is a skill issue

[humble obsidian]

if that's the dagger omega attacks do more damage with consecutive kills one; it only lasts the room

[tender flint]

dang

[shell swan]

Nothing like accidentally setting my magick to 8 in a completely magick based run where I need 25 magick to cast, resulting in barely above base dps in ||mourning fields||

ended up spending 30 minutes in ||mourning fields|| alone in a 1h total run and then died to ||cerberus|| anyway

[grizzled valley]

what did you do?

[split igloo]

ionic gain?

[thin lantern]

Oops! All Primes or Ionic Gain

[shell swan]

I took the poseidon boon early in the run that primes 30 magick for less damage taken, and then later in the run took the boon which gives you magick regeneration(I had 0 magick regen and didn't really think it through) with the downside of 70% less total magick, resulting in 38 total magick, which ended up to be 8 after the primer

[zenith bolt]

Judgment
After you vanquish a Guardian, activate 3 random inactive Arcana Cards.
this seems kinda cool, though i wonder if it's actually worth LOL

[grizzled valley]

OH No. yeah. i skip max magick upgrade all the time and can see myself doing the same thing. my condolences

[thin lantern]

Guardian meaning?

[grizzled valley]

it could be really good but seems too luck based

[zenith bolt]

guardian = miniboss

or maybe boss?

might be full bosses

[thin lantern]

If a guardian is a miniboss and not a full boss then it sounds busted tier amazing, if it's a floor boss then it could be really good. Not sure if it procs once or multiple times.

If it's 3 cards per boss then it sounds kind of nutty.

[sturdy trail]

Quck questions, Bronze, where can I get that?

[zenith bolt]

guardian description says "lengthy life bar with name on it" so i assume it means full boss

[sturdy trail]

it does

[zenith bolt]

though the rat i guess also counts

[grizzled valley]

that's about 9 cards total?

[thin lantern]

Hunting the rat for buffs, what a wild ride

[zenith bolt]

the activation req for judgment is having no more than 3 cards active

[worthy venture]

LMAO i legit get ptsd when I see the rat

[grizzled valley]

does the 3 card include judgement?

[zenith bolt]

dunno i havent unlocked it yet

[idle shard]

hey can anyone explain the elemental affinity thing to me? ive got a bunch of them but i don't really know what they do?

[zenith bolt]

i would assume it's 3 + judgment though

[thin lantern]

Oh. That severely limits how awesome it can be

[grizzled valley]

certain boons gives you buff if you have a certain amount of elements. for example, one boon I think hermes? give up 30% dmg buff but only if you have enough elements

[zenith bolt]

yeah if it was no strings attached it would be insane

[grizzled valley]

but if you dont have enough elements they do nothing

[zenith bolt]

divinity is kinda neat, +10% chance for boons to become epic, requirement of activating 5 cards in a row

[idle shard]

do the boons say on them before that you need a certain amount or do you just figure it out if you get there

[grizzled valley]

when those boons show up they'll tell you the requirements

[thin lantern]

Yeah, I'm not sure you could really get good mileage out of Judgment as is unless you only pick the three highest value cards and hope for the best.

[idle shard]

nice thanks

[grizzled valley]

btw does anyone know how to dodge ||hourglass bastard||'s attacks? They are too fast for my tiny brain. Also am I crazy or does the slow time down when charging perk not work on them?

[zenith bolt]

for the latter thing, i believe that's the case and it kinda makes sense

[thin lantern]

I would assume considering ||the guy can just cancel your pause menu|| that any time related stuff will just not work

[split igloo]

it doesnt work on him, nothing that normally slows down enemies works.

he can hit you while you're activating your hex, its annoying

[wraith yoke]

Are u able to hold all cards at once?

[marsh flame]

Demeter freeze ability to regular attacks or damage feels sooooo strongkkkk

[unique compass]

Almost beat chronos, the special attack from the second weapon is op

[tired fulcrum]

Dang 98% positive

[tired fulcrum]

yeah hexes suck ass against him

[granite sierra]

what's the opinion on Hephastus? so far my most succesful runs have been his attack and special boons on the daggers

[thin lantern]

feels godsawful with no poms and common rarity, but I can see them getting absolutely insane with enough poms

[verbal hemlock]

i really like fixed gain

[granite sierra]

my last run had a 7 sec cooldown on attack, it was pretty fun to use, i just need to get better at dodging

[jaunty cloak]

Big fan. Wish the attack boom boon cool down was a little tighter but that's probably a little cheesy haha.

[granite sierra]

with a rare boon it's a 10s cooldown, you only need 4-5 poms to get consistent damage with it

[jaunty cloak]

Yea that's a fair statement. Always end up prioritizing health lol

[granite sierra]

i wonder how low the cooldown timer goes, be funny if you could get enough poms to make it have no cooldown

[jaunty cloak]

Low CD with daggers must be so much fun

Does it go* higher than rare rarity?

[granite sierra]

it's just an attack boon, so you should in theory be able to go as high as heroic if you use the keepsake or get it as a replacement

i think hephaestus nukes are actually the best thing to use poms on, since they dont really get diminishing returns like every other boon does

[thin lantern]

They do. Common attack goes from 12 to 10 to 9. Just a lot less quickly I guess

or a lot more quickly hits diminished, from a certain point of view

[tired orbit]

I can't tell if I'm taking bad picks, or if enemies are beefier than they used to be. I also feel like I'm not being perfectly efficient to be fair

[prisma thicket]

Hahahahahhahaha the axe omega attack with a source of regen is just dumb, Scylla went down in like.... a minute? maybe? If I'm generous.

Also @tired orbit sorry for ping, but Kenbei has to be called out and respected, 10/10 pfp

[heavy falcon]

flutter strike from aphro + double whammy daedalus hammer is hilarious

[thin lantern]

@untold steppe what's Destructive Array

[untold steppe]

Argent skull fires skulls that stay on the ground until you collect them. Destructive Array is a hammer that causes the skulls to pulse damage equal to 50% of your attack, like a Lucifer special. It might actually be the same area, but it feels very small and I haven't noticed it so far at all

[thin lantern]

Ah

[tender flint]

thoughts on axe I feel like it falters the same way arthur falters in hades 1 to slow and and clunky

[vague oyster]

Is there a general consensus yet as to which weapon of the first 4 is the best?

[verbal hemlock]

seems like people like twin blades

[tender flint]

yeah twin blades but i love my torch

[hollow nexus]

The 5hp per kill on the staff (wand?) is so absurdly strong

[vague oyster]

I thought people would like the default weapon, thats where ive found most success so far lol (spamming the special with double hit special)

[desert orbit]

I really like the axe

yeah it's slow but it clears rooms like nobody's business

[vernal quiver]

the omegas are just fun to use

[split igloo]

special on demeter with mana regen on fire goddess

infinite freeze

[proper cedar]

How do you play torch

Like what.

My tier list for weapons:
1.axe
2.twin blades
3.staff
4.torch
5. I haven't played skull yet

[ripe temple]

I got hammers for one of the attack upgrades then just used all my mana for omega attack on torches got past 3rd boss almost got to 4th one

[proper cedar]

I don't understand the torch's play style at all do you just spam specials?

[ripe temple]

I personally havent used its special that much but i heard special torches is really good

[obtuse seal]

i really dig the combo of aphrodite pull to hephestius explosive anything, its crazy fun

[proper cedar]

Its attack feels really weak

[ripe temple]

Ye its attack shines when you are doing its omega version

I just hold down my attack button on enemies but tbf i had freeze on attacks so it felt nice

[proper cedar]

Idk my aim is bad so thats probably a good reason

I use Apollo attack axe and just hope to beat anything lmfao

[ripe temple]

Auto aim is nice but noticed it kinda doesnt work with it lol

[proper cedar]

True

Apollo axe just slashes half the room with one click its really fun

Also hestia or zeus cast so you can throw it

I wanna try demeter special that follows you + axe omega attack

[ripe temple]

I didnt like the axe it felt to slow for me and im not careful enough for it but i rate it highee then the staff

[proper cedar]

It should be a good combo

[proper cedar]

Same honestly

I played Arthur in the original game so it's not that bad for me though

[tender flint]

torch easy zues on attack apolo on special and the rest is history

[ripe temple]

For me so far my rating is sisters then torches then axe and finally staff. Havent tried last weapon yet

[proper cedar]

Also we NEED aspect of asterius axe I don't care

[tender flint]

crazy dmg

[proper cedar]

I'll try it

[split igloo]

i love the sisters rn

[proper cedar]

Also the torch walking animation is really funny for both melinoë and hekate

[ripe temple]

Probably my favorite weapon if i get the right build

[tender flint]

torch is my favorite

[proper cedar]

Idk i find it really silly

What does ||hera|| do?

[ripe temple]

You gotta double it for spoiler

[proper cedar]

Sorry

How many hours on hades 2 guys?

I got 8 pulled an all nighter

[tender flint]

i feel like the reason people struggle with torch is they mainly rely on attack and try to ramp it while yes that does do lots of dmg the special also does and clears rooms faster so what i do is pretty much a pattern with torch 1 2 3 dash special 1 2 3 dash special or some alteration of that

[ripe temple]

Playing time probably 4 to 5. I went afk so i got 6.9 on it lol

[tender flint]

6.1

[proper cedar]

Ohhh that sounds fun actually

[covert cloak]

I got 3.9 so far. Had to sleep 😭

[proper cedar]

Sleep is overrated

[ripe temple]

Its midnight so i cant play to test out the ||skull|| that i unlocked before ending lol

[proper cedar]

Imagine your braincells not being on the verge of death smh 😮‍💨😮‍💨😮‍💨 couldn't be me

[covert cloak]

Fr, we'll ban sleep from existence lol

[proper cedar]

Honestly the game does the same

Literally

[tacit silo]

I got 4 hours and only reached the floor 2 boss (I'm probably bad at the game)

[ripe temple]

I dont know how people can use staff i just dont understand it. It feels underwhelming

[ripe temple]

Do you normally play rogue likes?

[proper cedar]

||Also are the things on the surface zombies?||

[unborn bridge]

phantom lairs suuuuuck

[stiff locust]

hestia cast carried me in the start

[ripe temple]

You probably wanna spoil that

[covert cloak]

So far I like the staff. Thought I only got to the 2nd boss with it

[tender flint]

have yall unlocked ||chaos trials||? they seem fun

[tacit silo]

I only finished two roguelikes but I did played a lot of em

[ripe temple]

Honestly just a learnign curve for this game

[stiff locust]

there just for magick now

[tender flint]

ye

[ripe temple]

Weird i dont think i beaten first boss with staff yet

[proper cedar]

Is the splatoon 3 dlc considered a roguelike or lite

[tacit silo]

Staff gets good once you get the right boons

[ripe temple]

I never plated splatoon so

[proper cedar]

Sorry for going off topic

[ripe temple]

Like honestly the furthest i gotten was on my first run with torches and i got to the room right before the 4th boss

[proper cedar]

Oh well anyways bro i wanna punch chronos in the face

[tacit silo]

I consider it a mix of both, that's actually one of the two roguelikes I've finished (not 100% tho)

[ripe temple]

And I can’t even defeat 1st boss with staff lol

[proper cedar]

Like he seems like that homophobic uncle at family gatherings

[covert cloak]

Oh ok. I have a decent amount of upgrades hence why I probably beat the first boss

[tacit silo]

You should try and understand the bosses patterns

[grizzled valley]

which attack and special are worth pomming? hestia dmg over time was way too slow

[proper cedar]

He looks like the dude that would shake around a glass of whine before drinking it lmfao

[ripe temple]

Oh dont get me wrong i have. Like i constantly beat it with sisters

Its just for staff i cant lol. Like I burdened to fail with staff

[tacit silo]

Hmm... what arcana cards do you have equipped? Perhaps it's that

[ripe temple]

Im not on game sadly so cant remember

I do got 20 grasp so i got a decent amount.

[tacit silo]

Idk, my main for now are the twin blades, I only use the staff for when it grants the bonus resources

[ripe temple]

||25 hp and magicka, more dmg while below 100% magicka, slow time while doing omegas, revive once|| cant remember the rest of the top off my head

I forgot that was a thing i should probably be using the weapon that gives more resources when i happen to see that

Also what keepsake do you guys use? Ive been using revive one but not sure if i should be using a different one

[thin lantern]

I really should yoink the Apollo keepsake asap

The Orbital Laser has been such a carry imo

[ripe temple]

What the apollo keepsake?

[thin lantern]

Just the one to start with his boon I figure

[ripe temple]

Ah ok

[thin lantern]

He has the most fun cast in the game, imo

[quasi berry]

A god keepsake like usual, similar to the first game (not completely equal)

[ripe temple]

Honestly i could hse one of the gods keepsakes so i can just get freeze on cast or attacks

Freezing bosses is so stupid but funny

[kind moss]

struggling through ||hecate|| and getting my ass busted by ||scylla,|| how are yall fighting them?

[meager forge]

Dodge and hit my man, dodge and hit

[kind moss]

i literally cant get out of the second boss’s aoe circles in time and i have no idea why. i dont struggle with the same thing in hades 1

[tacit silo]

Sprint, dodge, use omega attacks as much as you can

[kind moss]

sprint is clunky af. i think it’s the awkward delay that messes me up

[tacit silo]

You should still use it tho

Especially with certain attacks

[kind moss]

i feel like i was using it though and it was too hard to control but i guess i’ll sprint harder

[tacit silo]

I actually felt the opposite

I still agree on it being kinda clunky

[polar copper]

Just to confirm, no way to avoid Hecate's sheep hex?

[tacit silo]

Nope

[granite sierra]

ive seen it done, apparently if you dash through it enough times it despawns

[candid radish]

ohhh really? i'll keep that in mind then

the sheep hex caught me so off guard the first time lol it was a good laugh

[granite sierra]

sheep hex is honestly kinda annoying for me, it just makes you stop whatever you were doing for 5 seconds. i'd like it a lot more if it was just an attack she had in her arsenal that was easier to dodge instead of a guaranteed "stop playing the video game for ten seconds"

[candid radish]

mmm no i get that too. i feel like for higher stakes stuff it might pull you out of the flow a little

[weak oyster]

the orb is not the hardest thing to dodge

[tired fulcrum]

You just dodge through it like 4 or 5 times and itll expire

[proper tapir]

7

times

[tired fulcrum]

You can run a bit before it catches up

[polar copper]

Left my suggestion for an alternative option for it in feedback. It's cool and thematic, but really breaks the sequence of the fight as-is

[rustic orbit]

Cerebus is hard af. Good thing I like banging my head against a wall

[smoky orbit]

What? It's easy as hell bro after the 2nd time just dash towards it bruh

Especially after the sprint buff arcana

[meager forge]

Wait we have to battle Cerebus?

[polar copper]

Oh, cool bro, thanks for being 'helpful' and not at all condescending, bruh

Especially in a community not known for that

Not everyone clicks with every aspect of a game right away

[smoky orbit]

I told you how to do it man dunno what to say

[tacit silo]

Wait you can dash dodge it?

[smoky orbit]

Just dash towards it and repeat, obviously avoiding all the other junk but after a few times it's easy, the 20% sprint arcana is also way more useful than you'd think

[patent lodge]

Got a real good build going on the twin blades w/ the hammer upgrade that increases your omega attack damage by 400% plus the Apollo/Aphrodite duo boon that triples the number of those exploding projectiles that rotate around you, shredded through everything like hades 1 excalibur.

[tacit silo]

Guess you really can dodge dash most of the attacks huh (except the wailings)

[thin lantern]

oh that's insane, lmao. I wonder if Apollo/Hestia or Apollo/Zeus duos contribute at all to the long range orbital strike build though

[patent lodge]

Got even better when I got the hex that makes you an invincible nightmare for a few seconds, that + the apollo boon that regens your mana while standing in your cast meant I could blitz through my mana with the upgraded omega attack, the increased cost of which let me use the hex after only 3 uses, then activate the hex and stand in my cast to get back the mana I just spent.

Worked really well until the final boss. ||The fact that he ignores all slowdown effects is gonna be the hardest part of him to overcome I think.||

[tired fulcrum]

Wtf i won phase 2 first try

Axe omega special hammer op

[twin stag]

If you unlocked one of the animal companions you can let it take the hit for you if you didn't get a speedboost or build to outrun/dodge it

[rustic nexus]

i personally like the keepsake from Moros, cause it basically gives an extra death defiance, if you drop down to 0 hp, you get impervious for 10 seconds, if you manage to finish clearing the room, you regain 30 hp (more hp depending on keepsake level) but if you time out, you die(or pop your actual death defiance instead)

[twin stag]

I love to start with a Hera/Poseidon keepsake, then swap to haephestus after 1st boss and then use the spider keepsake to keep massive armor and regen up, wich syncs up pretty nice with the gold gain buff if you keep armor up. It makes for really good gold during the early game runs to maximise my buy options on the last Charon before chaos. And its basically a second health bar once I got my main load out.

[bleak night]

I just made the mistake of taking the Greataxe's Daedalus Boon where it turns every attack into the heavy smash that does 300 base damage

it's so disgustingly slow lol

[meager forge]

But it's so powerful imo

imagine having that with apollo's boon, massive aoe damage

[timber verge]

Man I dread seeing hephaestus

[patent lodge]

How is it compared to Excalibur in hades 1?

[bleak night]

true, but I'm having a hard time controlling it is all

[bleak night]

it has the ability to deflect like a Shield does, besides that, no aura in your special to reduce damage taken

the first two swings feel like Arthur's 2nd and 3rd, just with more range and arc

[smoky anchor]

Hi friendly reminder to spoiler tag npc's and bosses beyond erebus, thankyou

[little ridge]

is there a list of duo boons

[royal skiff]

that daedelus boon almost one shot the ||shadow miniboss|| for me

and it chunks ||Hecate||

[copper valley]

man, Hephaestus' volcanic strike really gets the opposite of diminishing returns with poms

got that thing to level 6 and now it has a 2sec cooldown (its also nearly the only boon i have)

[bleak night]

this run is going by really quickly, Greataxe with Aphro attack + Aphro Dash and the Daedalus Hammer that allows you to do other actions while doing the Charged Attack Spin

Hephastus on the Shield for burst 300 damage every now and then

[timber verge]

What are you supposed to do about enmies with channel attacks?

I swear I thought omega moves interrupted them

[patent lodge]

Any damage interupts them unless they have armor or are a boss

[tired fulcrum]

Either hit stun, bind with cast, or run tf away

[spiral bolt]

I feel too many gods occupy the same color Wheel when picking a boon

Orangy: hermes,hephestues,apollo.

Bluy whity-: demeter,Selene.

Red: hestia,ares in future and hades himself probably maybe.

add more effects to indicate which God I am picking
Especially when I am picking God from afar like in stage 3 it hard to sus out which God I am choosing . Maybe add more boon orbs verity or shapes which can eminate gods indicating like demeter might has frost pulsating before picking the boon,or hephestus might have cube shaped boon instead of circular boon

Also add more effects after picking a boon

[split igloo]

Add Hera to blue.

[spiral bolt]

This helps especially in time attacks/ speed runs

Also add more drama when picking Daedalus Hammer it feels similar when I am picking a pom but hammer are more game changing I feel currently it doesn't indicate power

[thin lantern]

Put that in feedback

[spiral bolt]

Got it

[stoic ridge]

anyone have any idea how to use the argent skull? it feels kinda bad to use

[velvet maple]

Can someone tell me the general consensus of the Weapons tier list? I posted without noticing in general first so sorry

[quasi berry]

apparently it's that Mel torch is bad

I've gathered that much

[stoic ridge]

||moonstone axe op||

[velvet maple]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/1cm932n/what_is_the_best_weapon_in_hades_ii/

I made a poll in reddit, if you wanna vote

[marsh stirrup]

fr its pretty hard to use and the damage is underwhelming

or am i just suck idk LMAO

[brittle scroll]

any tips on how to use the axe?

[marsh stirrup]

havent unlocked it:)

[brittle scroll]

i take so much unnecessary damage using it

[mint cedar]

If I activate Moros’ keepsake and I activate invulnerability, do I die

[desert orbit]

It’s my current favourite but I’m still getting used to it. needs patience, positioning and knowing the enemies imo to get the most out of it and timing the big combo

Pretty reliably chunks through smaller enemies though

[brittle scroll]

the last part of the attack is so slow i feel, is it best to just cancel it

[desert orbit]

You can dash during the first bit of the animation I’ve found

But otherwise it’s better to save it for when you need a really big hit

Make good use of your counter too, even without the fully charged hit it’s a good defensive

[tacit silo]

"sister blade supremacy"
Nice

[distant root]

ok after playing with them, i actually kind of like the torches

the only thing is that the lock-on is quite finicky to use, sometimes you'll be practically hugging an enemy and it won't lock to them

also i don't get why people like sister blades, the damage doesn't seem too good and having to be up close for it

[warm rover]

they worked well with demeter freeze boon

[distant root]

i hear that backstab also works well with them cause of the charged attack

[warm rover]

but I doin't have all the weapons yet so can't say they're either the best or worst

[distant root]

yeah

[plucky wren]

I have to admit, unless you get the finisher boost, sister blades seem subpar

[forest nacelle]

What's hestia swift strike??

[still arrow]

What keepsake should i use? skelly's or dora's?

[bleak night]

you gotta take some time to learn to properly use the Special, because it's basically the Zag holding Shield charge thing where it blocks in that direction, though you can't hold it for too long before it uses up mana or you drop it on purpose

I found some success for it by adding a Heph Special boon onto it so I don't rely on it too much for damage

it makes me want to parry some things

[floral steppe]

The omega version of the axe special felt really awkward to use

Because there’s a gap between when you have the shield up and when the big circular attack goes off

[bleak night]

I probably just got lucky with my runs because I kept getting the Daedalus Hammers to give me the upgrade wherein if you charge up your Omega Attack, you can still act while the Axe whirls around you

I was able to charge another or block while the 20 Mana Omega Spin-To-Win was still ongoing

Oh, you meant the Special, yeah def

I almost always just drop it before it goes off

[stiff locust]

favorite aspects??

[bleak night]

aspects? Like, the weapon variants ?

[stiff locust]

yeah

[bleak night]

Don't think people are that far in yet

[stiff locust]

true

[stiff locust]

i am tho

[bleak night]

damn, you'e farming quick then

[stiff locust]

ty havent even beat ceberus tho

[fierce dust]

Just wait till you get to the aspects and realise they are all trash 😂😂

[bleak night]

Oh, no standouts among them ?

[fierce dust]

There all slight number stat changes. Nothing like the cool aspects in hades. Really disappointing

[bleak night]

Ah, that's a shame then

what do the Axe aspects do ?

[fierce dust]

I played 14 hours straight now lmao. I unlocked the aspects read the descriptions of a few of the later ones and played with a few I unlocked already and they are rough. I was hoping the aspects would make it more fun but nah. Potentially they’ll be changed later

Axe is just 5/10/15/20% faster recovery on attacking

[stiff locust]

chiron looks the best out of the ones i saw

cast builds gonna be fun

[bleak night]

oh, I mean aspects. Those are the upgrades for the base version, I'm guessing ?

[mint cedar]

im having difficulty dodging the big crescent sawblade chronos throws out

[fierce dust]

Ye base one. The other upgrades seemed even more useless but I’d have to play with it more. I got a feeling all the cast aspects are gonna be strongest

[stiff locust]

yeah def not the final version or i hope not

[mint cedar]

is there a windup i should be looking at

[bleak night]

I'll do another run and let you know. I only won because I was playing a long ranged weapon and playing like a coward

[vernal quiver]

Kinda, it's a bit similar to his normal swipe attack though

Generally if you see his ass raise his arms at all get behind him

[fierce dust]

2 of the aspects for the witch staff do the same thing lol

[mint cedar]

i see

[fierce dust]

Vanilla one gives you + omega speed and the second variant gives you plus omega speed for 6s. Can imagine why I felt it was boring as hell

[thorn wolf]

Damn I didn't even know they already had aspects in the game. Sad to hear that they're boring though

[bleak night]

Yeah, the aspects seem kinda mid

[pastel lagoon]

I have a IV Aspect of Melione daggers and they're really fun to use

[stiff locust]

what they do

[pastel lagoon]

Backstab damage buff

[bleak night]

I can see Aspect of Pan Daggers being decent, now that I'm reading it myself

[fierce dust]

Artemis aspect for sister blades sounds the best.

[stiff locust]

agreed

[pastel lagoon]

I put them on for one run and it was my first run to the big guy

So take that as you will

[bleak night]

if I'm reading the Pan thing correctly, it will track enemies inside the Cast, so if you charge up your Special to throw 5 daggers, it'll all home into the same target ?

[stiff locust]

i havent seen chronos yet

[bleak night]

what have you been using to get to Cerb lately

[fierce dust]

I still haven’t beaten chronos I can’t seem to do enough damage. Way too many resource drops not enough boons not fun

[stiff locust]

blades

[stiff locust]

freeze cast and hestia on attack pommed

[bleak night]

Try the Skull to beat Cerb, I had a really easy time with the battle, it was just a slog because he has a lot of HP. I had trouble with Scylla though

[thorn wolf]

I haven't unlocked the torches and skull yet, but sister blades and moonstone axe seem to just be better than the witch staff

[stiff locust]

noted thanks

[bleak night]

I suppose it depends on playstyle, yeah

I only got the Axe going because I was lucky to find Daedalus early and get the upgrade that allows me to charge Omega while maintaining the ability to act as the Axe spins

I was able to block or charge another spin with the current Omega active

[fierce dust]

Long but safe is umbral frames, only use special with Demeter and keep distance. Low dmg but he slows enough for you to kite him. Fastest is axe with Zeus on attack or Apollo boon that gives mega range so you can sit back. Keep distance from cerb and go in after all red rings gone or he can 50+ dmg you instantly

[bleak night]

no Axe with Aphro ?

I did that build and I was able to reach Chronos in 11 minutes, I died tho lol

[fierce dust]

Killed cerb 5 times now cherbydis is very easy after but eris impossible

[thorn wolf]

Axe is basically just a stronger Excalibur to me. Sad we don't get a polearm in this one though (I guess the staff technically counts as one)

[bleak night]

Axe imo is Arthur + Shield hybrid

[fierce dust]

Oh the skull weapon with Poseidon is insanely fun

[bleak night]

I did Skull + Apollo for the fat AoE

[white steppe]

hey i just started playing (ive beaten hades 1, farthest ive gotten so far is phase 2 chronos), can I just ask what in the world are these boons, it feels like core boons rarely get offered and instead you have sh*t like sprint boons or channeled cast boons or whatever, please god give me attack boons

[bleak night]

I should def try Poseidon Skull, that sounds really fun

[bleak night]

It's an adjustment period for sure, idk what to say about that lol

the only Dash boon that remains is Aphrodite's

[fierce dust]

I did skull with hammer that reduces bullets by 1 but retrieves instantly and spammed my attack but gotta use cast a lot to group so aphro cast to pull in together is needed

Then use special omega to dodge

[white steppe]

just in general boons and hammers feel a lot more rare

[bleak night]

it doesn't feel that way in Area 2-4, but in Area 1 def

Arg, I haven't done any Cast builds yet. Any tips ?

[thorn wolf]

A Zeus cast build did wonders for me earlier

[fierce dust]

Aphro cast or Zeus cast is very strong

[bleak night]

I haven't gotten around to figuring it out, I just rely on dodging stuff or shielding with Greataxe

Zeus cast with what weap ?

[zenith bolt]

my personal favorite right now is

[fierce dust]

Aphro cast pulls enemies in. Zeus cast fire’s lightning constantly while enemies inside does hella dmg

[bleak night]

You can have both ?

[thorn wolf]

Zeus cast should work with any weapon

[fierce dust]

Zeus cast work with any attack as the cast doesn’t rely on dealing dmg

[bleak night]

also, is it just me or is Scorch kinda bad ?

Like, I see an enemy's health being entirely orange and I have to wait for it to die

[fierce dust]

Ye I can’t do anything with hestia ttk to slow

Annoying that same as first game aphro is best boon for dmg

[bleak night]

is there a duo for it to all be set ablaze or something? Do we have a catalog of duo boons ?

[thorn wolf]

Scorch starts to shine when you have multiple stuff that does scorch imo. But yea not the best I think

[thorn wolf]

Demeter has a duo boon with hestia that doubles scorch effects when you apply freeze

[lime wolf]

add Demeter's cyclone thingy on the cast for even more damage since they can all overlap

[bleak night]

main issue with Scorch is that it just seems to do a set DoT, so it slowly ticks down all the same

[fierce dust]

I rlly don’t like the dashs that use mana, awful drain

[thorn wolf]

I've only ever used the Poseidon sprint and that thing is fun

[bleak night]

my go-to for the movement boon is Aphro's because it's just Passion Dash from the first game, but better lol

[lime wolf]

BTW, is there a way to look at previous runs? (like look at the build, the time (or when we perished) and stuff like that? because I just had a crazy run but I died at the second phase of the last boss 😅

[bleak night]

Y'know, I would've really enjoyed Deflect boons in this one

[fierce dust]

Is it just me or does Poseidon boon not actually move enemies anymore like the first game ? They just take 20mg and stay put

[bleak night]

I saw an incantation for it in the Cauldron

[white steppe]

is there a 2 dash unlock at some point btw or is it not getting better

[thorn wolf]

Scorch Sprint kinda does the same thing

[smoky cairn]

What is knuckle bones at max rank?
at rank 1 its -5% hp to bosses, -15% dmg reduction to bosses

[thorn wolf]

Only for projectiles though

[smoky cairn]

does anyone know?

[blissful marsh]

Are there duo boons in? Ive only seen infusions

[fierce dust]

-15 and -15

[bleak night]

I've seen some, yeah

[lime wolf]

It only pushes enemies that are taking the damage indirectly I think (so the one you're targetting sort of stays in place and everyone else surrounding it gets pushed back)

[warm rover]

do any of you just sorta...not try because you hate your current boons? lol like I know I'm doomed if I'm not fast and dishing out a huge amount of dps

[bleak night]

Is the 6th weapon not in the game yet btw ?

[thorn wolf]

I don't like relying on rng so I still try to finish/get as far as I can even if I don't have a good build going

[fierce dust]

I have not once seen any enemy move from Poseidon dmg lol except for skull special but they physically pushes them anyway

[smoky cairn]

Interesting
Luckier tooth seems better then, +1 death revive of 100hp

[white steppe]

whats the strongest thing yall have done so far? ive had an axe run with apollo attack, advanced and psychic whirlwind

[warm rover]

posideon is still insane....couldn't possibly click faster on his icon wherever I find it lol

[fierce dust]

Ye I got that maxed first. With upgrades to death defiance and Cat familiar and lucky tooth I got 5 death defiance lol

[smoky cairn]

whats lucky tooth?
im still early in the game. got to chronos but died
that annoying harpy made me take +75% damage

[fierce dust]

Give gift to fake skelly

[alpine sapphire]

does anybody know how to unlock double dash? is it there in hades 2

[thorn wolf]

Poseidon attack makes clearing rooms a breeze

[fierce dust]

There is none

[alpine sapphire]

oh

[bleak night]

Strongest run I've had was level 5 Aphro Attack on a Greataxe with a lot of mana regen, the Daedalus upgrade that lets me act while my Omega Attack is whirlwinding and about 250 HP

I lost that one because I didn't realize you can't pause vs Chronos. I had to go and do something and I came back and I was dead

[white steppe]

wait chronos counters the esc key? lol

[warm rover]

wait...you can't pause the game against him? wtf lol

[bleak night]

Pause the game and he comments, then he unpauses the game automatically after 2 secs

[white steppe]

does he counter alt tabbing?

[warm rover]

wow talk about annoying lol

[white steppe]

that stops cutscenes

[bleak night]

never tried, but tbf I didn't know he did that to pauses

I just paused and ran to do my thing

[fierce dust]

Can he delete my search history too plz

[warm rover]

lol

[indigo walrus]

Guys, this channel still needs spoiler tags for post-Erebus content.

[lunar ether]

Hey guys, have you find a good boons combo for the axe?

[bleak night]

ah mb

[lime wolf]

my last run: eternal flame with zeus on the attack, chain lightning, split shot hammer, chance of double lightning and chance of attacks hitting twice on top of that infusion that forces your damage to always be 30 or more. I was doing A LOT of damage. Died at Chronos' second phase (also had Zeus and Demeter on the cast and apollo's boon that makes the cast grow upgraded up to like 65% extra size)

[white steppe]

man chronos 2nd phase is just on some bull lmao

[fierce dust]

Zeus attack. 1 Omega attack triggers it on all minions instant plus 200 dmg

[bleak night]

Aphro or Apollo Attack seem to be the consensus for attacking
Then, get lucky with the Daedalus Hammers and find the upgrade that lets you use Omega Attacks while acting so you can charge more. The rest are just mana regen and a lot of HP

[white steppe]

there's like 20 platform hazards to dodge, not to mention when he spawns the minions

[bleak night]

Probably never get that upgrade that makes all your Axe attacks do a heavy smash for 300 damage

because it's so goddamn slow

[white steppe]

is there a consensus on the worst weapon? i kinda really dislike the wands

[lunar ether]

Got it last run, combine with ephaistos, I was dealing like 800 dmg but I was SO SLOW

[bleak night]

I'm not too fond of those either

[lunar ether]

Intresting, omega is in dedale hammer right?

[fierce dust]

Omega as in your charge up attack

[bleak night]

I tried it once and I just kept Heavy Smashing into dashing so I don't do that slow animation in front of enemies

it was terrible ngl

[bleak night]

by Wands you mean the 4th weapon, right ?

[vernal dock]

Agree so far, wands no beuno so far.

[white steppe]

yeah?

[bleak night]

I thought they were torches

[fierce dust]

Only use the special attack on Umbral with Demeter very funny

[vernal dock]

Torches* yeah sorry not wands butyeah

[white steppe]

idk they're sticks that you shoot magic out of, wands in my book

[vernal dock]

Axe so far I've had most success. spin to win or Y special

[thorn wolf]

Witch staff while not the weakest, feels kinda underwhelming too

[white steppe]

hephaestus' design just confuses me like they made a god whose gimmick is to put him on the attack type you arent using lul

[bleak night]

Spinning to win is fun

[bleak night]

put Heph on the Axe's shield

[thorn wolf]

Tbf I felt the same with Sword in Hades 1

[vernal dock]

Heph/Aphro close damage scales mad.

[bleak night]

Sword in Hades I felt good to use with the Arthur aspect though, but the rest are kinda bland yeah

[fierce dust]

The only reason axe is good is because the dmg is so low on everything else. You have to rely on good boons for any decent build on every other weapon. Axe you hold attack and win

[bleak night]

Poseidon Sword was fun, but I was barely using the sword itself lol

[white steppe]

oh so other people also think the damage is too low it isnt just me lul

[bleak night]

I'm kinda sad we have no Bow or Crossbow this time around

[fierce dust]

Same bow my fav from first

[thorn wolf]

Yea I love Arthur. But sword in general was my most underused weapon in the first game. (Also granted I didn't like the first game's actual gameplay too much lol)

[bleak night]

hoping the other Gods missing get added as updates come by so we have more options

[lime wolf]

I got there with the only death defiance I have unlocked so far but it wasn't enough

[white steppe]

staff in this game just feels like try to play achilles spear with the auto attack hammer, support fire and zeus or something on attack w chain lightning lul

[fierce dust]

All enemies are tanks. The game refuses to give you a decent number of boons. I don’t understand how else you’re supposed to do damage. Really weird

[vernal quiver]

I'd say less the damage is low and more the hp is high

[bleak night]

Start doing runs with the Tooth so you can have a death defiance with a lot of health on revive

[vernal quiver]

Compared to zag were doing the same if not more

[white steppe]

zag was definitely putting up higher numbers in endgame

[vernal quiver]

Yea endgame fs but we don't really have real endgame

[white steppe]

like an arthur strike could crit for like several thousand

[fierce dust]

The boons are not as good though all around feels like nerfed. TTK much lower

[bleak night]

wait, to upgrade the weapon Aspects we need to start doing Testaments? (Pact of Punishment)

[fierce dust]

No

[white steppe]

dont you mean higher?

[fierce dust]

Sorry ye higher

[bleak night]

Nightmares are only obtainable from doing Heat stuff apparently

[white steppe]

does anyone have feedback on the shadow elite mob from the 1st biome btw? the hitboxes on that thing's sweep give me cancer

[fierce dust]

It’s out there to make you use the cast. Start using cast more and it’s not an issue. I just target them as soon as I see them

[regal ingot]

Same. It doesn't feel as if you are as powerful as Hades 1

[vernal quiver]

real I was behind that mf and still got hit

[fierce dust]

I thought maybe it’s just because it’s early game but I’m 14 hours in and I don’t feel like I’m getting any stronger but every run gets harder and longer xD

[lime wolf]

yeah... I should I've just kept hecate's keepsake for most of the runs I've done lol

[fierce dust]

Nah gotta abuse the death defiance :)))

[marble ridge]

Its really challenging if you meet him too soon when you dont have the special upgraded. I got to him with the 3rd weapon and almost no upgrades and it was a nightmare...lost a death defiance but then continued that run for a 45 min record run for me soooooo yeh

[regal ingot]

I hope they tweak that. In Hades 1 I was getting battered around but I still felt powerful, and that was part of what made it fun and want to come back and try again.

[fierce dust]

I hope it’s just a balancing issue rather than a game direction decision as it’s gonna get pretty boring fast if every game you feel like a glass cannon without the cannon

[white steppe]

maybe the answer is running eris keepsake lul

[floral steppe]

10 hrs in and I felt like I was making good progress, got some broken builds - I think you really need to look for the boon combos, a bunch of scattered boons might not carry you enough. And being willing to be flexible with how you utilize the omega attacks depending on build helps too.

[white steppe]

how do you fish for boon combos with so few boons?

[vernal quiver]

Feels more like you fish for hammers

[floral steppe]

Felt like enough to me, especially with the doubled up rewards later. Also yeah hammers are a godsend.

[vernal quiver]

I'm like 8 hours in, 13 runs deep and 1 chronos kill, the boons feel weak asf

[white steppe]

is there even like a boon catalogue somewhere like in the 1st game

[vernal quiver]

So far my only strong runs that aren't just me playing well need hammers

[vernal quiver]

Not yet afaik

[white steppe]

do you bring rerolls? im wondering if i should but the card system has me by the nuts lol, i cant afford it

[bleak night]

nope

[fierce dust]

Hammers and chaos buffs are better than most boons lol. Poms are a waste of time for 5% plus I don’t even pick them anymore

[vernal quiver]

I literally don't have enough ash or grasp to lol

[white steppe]

mfw chaos doesnt have percentage dmg buffs

[fierce dust]

Yes it does

[bleak night]

They do have em

[white steppe]

IT DOES?

[fierce dust]

Get further into the game

I’ve had multiple plus 45-50% attack boost chaos boons

[bleak night]

I think he starts adding them the moment you start requiring seeds from his realm in order to make a resource

[stoic ridge]

anyone just spin to win with the axe

[white steppe]

all ive seen is memes like plus one of the essences or faster run speed or whatever

[bleak night]

Hell yeah, dude

[fierce dust]

Everybody.

[vernal quiver]

Almost

[bleak night]

as long as you aren't using Poseidon Attack on it, then it's fun to spin

[fierce dust]

If the devs decide they need to nerf axe I’m out 🤣🤣

[stoic ridge]

the other weapons feel under powered compared to it, especially with aphro attack

[vernal quiver]

Would've been my 2nd chronos kill in a row but I messed up and its hard to read what chronos does

[stoic ridge]

the argent skull is garbage tier imo

[bleak night]

I think stuff just needs to be buffed or the bosses need to have less HP, they feel like sponges that wait for you to be impatient or make mistakes

[stoic ridge]

needing to pick up the skulls effectivel makes its range useless

[white steppe]

id really like a better tell for when the wave is coming out after he hits you with the succ other than just know the timing

[fierce dust]

It’s actually not bad but you gotta forget about using the omega attack and just spam click attack with Demeter. Freeze and run around and CCs better than anything

[bleak night]

there's a hammer I was able to grab that made it 2 ammo instead of 3, but you just don't need to pick em up anymore

[vernal quiver]

Imo that's a non issue just sprint and get behind him

[bleak night]

I beat Chronos in that run, so I definitely had fun with the Skull

[white steppe]

phase 2 when the platform stuff starts piling on and its a bit more difficult

[stoic ridge]

huh, guess ill need to try it again

[vernal quiver]

My biggest issue is when he throws the scythe out, it's so damned fast and big

[vernal quiver]

A little but I didn't find much issue with it

[bleak night]

Give it a chance and I'm sure you'll find it more palatable than you find it atm

[fierce dust]

Have you visited hades before chronos ??

[white steppe]

you can literally dodge the scythe throw by just being in front of him right

[zenith bolt]

thats why u have the special to charge and grab them

[bleak night]

I apparently have had 4 of his 6 boons already according to the prophecy, so quite a fair bit

[white steppe]

always praying for the 20% sucker punch boon lul

[fierce dust]

If you visit hades before chronos he makes chronos fight easier

[bleak night]

that 50% less reinforcements made my life easier

[fierce dust]

-20 health is nice but I still died

[bleak night]

It's hard to react to some of his moves

especially in phase 2 when I first got to it, and I took 1800 damage because I didn't realize I had to enter the clock zone

[fierce dust]

But -20 health plus -15 from the keepsake :))) could be interesting

[white steppe]

what do you actually do vs the move where he surrounds himself with orbs and then charges you? do you just eat it?

[stoic ridge]

i cant even get past phase 1 lmao, need more death defiance

[bleak night]

I just run away lol

[fierce dust]

You have to stick to him like glue don’t run away. Get behind him

[zenith bolt]

if you're far enough away you can side step it with dash

[bleak night]

Oh, you have to stick to him ? TIL lol

[fierce dust]

Yes

[zenith bolt]

but then like half his attacks are significantly easier to dodge when you're in his face -3-

[fierce dust]

You can’t dodge all the attacks so get behind him and run around

[tulip sonnet]

ygnium is. so weird.

[fierce dust]

A nicely timed slow down moon hex works

[white steppe]

the slow down hex works on him?

[tulip sonnet]

the attacks aren't great, i think the special's amazing if you time it with the cast

[fierce dust]

It works on the projectiles

[stoic ridge]

anyone find hestia burning to be underwhelming? it does damage too slow imo

[daring nexus]

So, if I understand correctly, you can stack as much Scorch as you want, but it'll only apply at a rate of 40 DMG per second?

[tulip sonnet]

what do you mean

[white steppe]

him ignoring the slow down of your omega attacks is really toxic sometimes

[zenith bolt]

dps is probably based on the boon that gives it

[white steppe]

has anyone done the thing where you double stack zeus' ionic charge and you end up with literally no mana lul

[daring nexus]

The scorch tooltip says "takes 40 damage accrued", though. Which, considering your attacks can apply less or more scorch than that, indicates enemies take only up to 40 of the "applied" scorch damage per second.

[tribal badger]

if you ever do that expect a lot of selune afterwards

[bleak night]

Is there a way to display what chamber we're in ?

[daring nexus]

like, what reward it'll give you or how many chambers you've entered?

[bleak night]

I mean the chamber number, like as a UI thing

[summer seal]

Looking forward to playing when I get home tonight, any standout boon combos y'all have come across so far?

[daring nexus]

I could swear I saw it in the pause menu or something. Lemme check.

[bleak night]

Unlock Axe and get Apollo or Aphro Attack and start spinning

[daring nexus]

Ah, the check boons screen shows you the location number at the top right.

[bleak night]

Oic, ty for that

[summer seal]

Good looking out, anything particularly fun for the sister blades?

[vernal quiver]

Uhhh you could do a funny omega special build

The one hammer that makes em all in a line and the other that makes em come back paired with aphro special

I was hitting 900 per omega

Or just go full normal attack and get the one that gives backstab and the other that makes the last hit of the combo stronger

[white steppe]

I tried a chain lighting build w the knife and sickle and im fairly sure the several stab thing doesnt send out as many lightnings as it should

[bleak night]

Not my particular weapon, but Aphro's attack seems to just be the safest bet for melee weapons, given that its new effect is dealing a lot more damage when attacking something near you. I did a Sister Blades build with knife tosses, but that was me getting a Hammer in room 1 and it gave me the Zagreus Spear effect of my special's knives returning after being tossed out for backstab damage

[vernal quiver]

Probably coded the same has hades 1 where there is an invisible cool down

[loud stag]

I’m pretty sure the ||torches|| are based on this cut weapon from Hades 1: https://youtu.be/rNaTxFf7McU?t=23m23s

[white steppe]

they shoulda stayed cut lmao

[lunar ether]

So what is the most op weapon currently?

The regular one right?

[brazen sable]

Idk but I love the axe

[lunar ether]

Yeah me too, I love the effects

[brazen sable]

The way you can charge and then dash in before triggering the spin feels really satisfying

[zenith bolt]

"OP", idk. but i like the skull

[thorn wolf]

That also works for the chunky last hit of the attack combo

[brazen sable]

Yeah, it’s just like the hidden aspect sword in 1

Which I also loved to pieces

Me when big weapon do big bonk

I played like 7 hours when I got home from work yesterday and it was a blast

[bleak night]

same

The added bonus of having a shield that you can let go immediately makes it so fun

I'll go do another Axe run rn actually

[unborn halo]

My axe runs either die to the 2nd boss or clear the entire game no where in between

[zenith bolt]

2nd boss seems to be the first big wall for a run

that or i just suck at them -3-

[lunar ether]

Nah bro the 3rd boss is actually insane, bro have 500000000k HP

[tender flint]

Can't figure out the axe just feels like a super slow weapon like Arthur from hades 1

[tender flint]

It's super cool really fun fight

[zenith bolt]

yeah it has the same dash-in-combo quirk that arthur had

[unborn halo]

3rd boss and 4th is telegraphed from country miles

2nd is kinda like chaos

[thorn wolf]

2nd boss is so fun

[tender flint]

2nd one I figured out the mechanic first go

It's pretty fun I personally focus drum guitar singer in that order

[unborn halo]

I just group em up and aoe

[tender flint]

Or that either one work

[unborn halo]

My fastest clear on them had laser without needing it channeled with infinite mana

[tender flint]

I use the torch a lot it's my favorite weapon so either I kill 1 by 1 super quickly or group them and spam special

[zenith bolt]

drum definitely the most important to handle i think

guitar is a nuisance mostly

[tender flint]

That's what I think

[unborn halo]

The instruments from the actual ost dying the band with eqxh member is pure kino

[dark cave]

Zeus + Demeter Ω I think magic is too fraudulent.
No matter what weapon you wear, you can break CHRONOS so easily

[unborn halo]

So far I've beaten him with staff and axe

I havnt unlocked anything past axe though

[mint iron]

Wait is he that easy to beat, or is Mel just too strong/goated?

[unborn halo]

Hephastus is bonkers

[zenith bolt]

i think this dude is just cracked ive heard most other people ive talked with say hes harder than hades -3-

[mint cedar]

UGH THE CIRCLE IS SO FAR

i died 3 times to the circle

[unborn halo]

It's prolly just because it's new, but I had regen if don't/do attack and I was able to regen hundreds of hp vs chronos

[mint cedar]

i don't understand how to last fight works though

there's a lot of circles

[unborn halo]

My first time I didn't attack

I just focused on learning the mechanics and dodging

[mint cedar]

i stored 20 estus flasks for him

[unborn halo]

https://tenor.com/view/seseren-gif-27680232

[tender flint]

Hephestus is also fun on blink dagger special you get the hammer that launches daggers in circle around you and everything go poof

[unborn halo]

I cannot for the life of me get dagger to work lol

For me it's Apollo staff for 100% clear rate

[dense dirge]

Random question but poms or no pom for boons?
I have a friend who refuses to pom because its just not useful to them

[zenith bolt]

poms seem good on some boons

e.g. aphrodite heal to full if you've only taken x% damage

[dense dirge]

better yet, when to pom if you are a staff enjoyer? 😂

[dense dirge]

I remenber having pom power as my go-to for H16 runs in Hades, but it's been ages since I have played though.

[zenith bolt]

same lol, im so rusty

[dense dirge]

I'm just watching them play cause I'm supposed to bne dying from assignments, but it hard bruh

[zenith bolt]

👴 back in my day i could consistently do 16 heat

now im veritably floundering

[flint notch]

Love demeter frost attack. That plus Lavender Outfit is so OP. Loving it. Have God mode on though. Finally over the ugh I keep dying like in third room.

[smoky cairn]

How much does max level engraved pin heal?
It's like luckier tooth but also gives invuln

[tribal badger]

Your Attack restores 2 Health, but you have -60% Health. Is there any weapon that has something like that in hades 2 ? It was ma favorite playstyle

[mint iron]

Bro liked living life on the edge

[near wren]

There’s a hammer upgrade for staff that heals when you kill with omega moves

[zenith bolt]

i dont know of anything specifically like guan yu

priming is kinda like that but for magick

[tribal badger]

it was actually pretty easy once you got some attack speed and damage reduction/reflection

[mint iron]

Merciful End build enthusiast or Nemesis Sword supporter?

[summer seal]

One of my favorite playstyles in 1 was the demeter fists with the Ares and Athena combo boon, anything feel similar this time around?

[tribal badger]

Merciful End was great

[rotund timber]

Is the maximum health you can start with only 70 after you max rank the arcana card for it? That is way lower than what was the maximum in the first game

[mossy summit]

is the torch supposed to be a special spam wep? the attacks feel (and look) silly af and the channel is kinda meh even with being able to dash during it, meanwhile the special acutally looks flame-like and is a decent skill

[tribal badger]

the worst part is the running animation while shooting

i think torch will have some major updates in the future

[mossy summit]

oh god. yes. the entire thing is so out of place i hope they rework it

[zenith bolt]

oh you can upgrade the cards? i think i might have the incantation for that unlocked then, neat

[mossy summit]

then again i felt super iffy about rail too design-wise but at least the gameplay was solid, torch doesnt have either

[fierce dust]

Blades Special is REALLY strong with the right hammers. Dancing knives (ricochet) and sure shot flurry (omega fires all arrows at once) literally wipes an entire wave with no boons

[nocturne orbit]

how are you supposed to play the umbral flames? I feel like im constantly oom, doing no damage and due to low mobility just getting slapped

[zenith bolt]

i will say you're not the first ive seen have that opinion (same tbh)

[mossy summit]

try a special build on it, the attacks are kinda mid but the spec is decent especially if you hammer it. attacks i think could be good for any curse effect

[tribal badger]

some of the weapons make no sense untill you uncover arcana card that makes it make sense and you equip a keepsake that will spawn a good boon for that weapon

[zenith bolt]

hoping aspects make torches feel better

[nocturne orbit]

ah aight

[tribal badger]

If something makes you ask how you are supposed to use it, you probably did not uncover a good puzzle piece yet.

[nocturne orbit]

thats kinda weird tho to make weapons only good with 1-2 things no? Makes build variaty much more narrow

[zenith bolt]

maybe its more like a hades 1 rail + zeus situation

[fierce dust]

I’ve just maxed the vanilla aspect on torches and can confirm they are still awful 🥲🥲

[zenith bolt]

like some weps just have great synergy. i havent played around w/ it too much

[nocturne orbit]

i mean that was clearly the best option, but it was definitly usable with other boons aswell

[tribal badger]

I think its fine for some weapons to be good and for some of them to be THE DREAM RUN type of weapons

[zenith bolt]

also i have not seen a legendary boon yet. are the reqs for them harder now?

[tribal badger]

dont worry i did not see one yet too

probably specific story moment will trigger it

[zenith bolt]

maybe

[grizzled prairie]

i noticed we can't swap keepsakes between stages

or is that something unlcoked later?

[zenith bolt]

you unlock it later

(i recently unlocked the incantation for it myself)

[warm rover]

is there any reason to max out all the keepsakes if you prefer a certain one?

besides achievements of course

[frosty ruin]

Other than swapping them around for different bonuses, no. There’s the achievement and possible story related reasons.

[thin lantern]

The funniest part is, the thing that makes them busted is indeed zeus. Air infusion effectively doubles the base attack damage... Pretty sure it should also be good for any other primary attack boon that stacks element/curse, or maybe even Heph with enough hammers.

[true walrus]

I saw that boon once but I only had 2 air at the time so

[zenith bolt]

air infusion does sound kinda nutty hmmm

maybe infusions are the way to go for power for now

[nocturne orbit]

is there anything later down the line to make chaos boons better?
They give me sprint or ressource boons like 70% of the time

[sterile torrent]

the scorch effect for omega from hestia combined with demeters freeze special is a really fun combo, any other combos you guys use which are fun?

[mossy summit]

orbital laser: get cast+cast range increase from apollo and the hestia boon that lets you throw cast and enjoy. everything else is extra

[bleak night]

Just came back from my Axe run, took a while because my hammers were questionable at best||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/778505838003879938/1237408892665860136/image.png?ex=663b8a55&is=663a38d5&hm=f4badd85d3d39c47567bb2dba7f1442962b4cbe41cf320c1813567ad21a62002&||

[rotund timber]

Yeah. After you have defeated Hecate a few times, she will tell you of the incantation at the end of your battle. After carrying out that incantation, you will be able to upgrade the arcana cards

[zenith bolt]

cool

[steep heron]

the wands with demeter special seem to work really well

[mossy summit]

cool idea actually. i'll give it another go when the torch has the bonus again

[thin lantern]

Zeus can also set up the orbital strike combo, because he also has a Cast Throw.