h2-discussion

[cursive nacelle]

likely just a minor bugfix

[pine flume]

ive unlocked a few familiar outfits but my Unfamiliar Forms achievement isnt triggering... anyone having this issue>/

[merry whale]

ye i just wanna know like the actual details

[nova oar]

Have you unlocked an outfit for each of the 5?

[pine flume]

yup

[nova oar]

Keep unlocking more, or upgrading pets, you need to spend like 20 witches delights iirc

[pine flume]

worked after i bought a few more outfits

[lean bronze]

Can they pleaseeee add more unlockables for shiny stars

[nova oar]

They're done with the game

[pine flume]

i just gotta finish great chaos above basically

and im done all the achievements

[lean bronze]

im aware

[lean bronze]

you can do it
Just mog all the enemies into dying

[unkempt zodiac]

you know what they should really come back and add tho?

chaos trial editor

‼️ 🥳 🎊 ‼️

[lean bronze]

Great Chaos 67

[unkempt zodiac]

technically possible

[broken creek]

Would it??

No actually I dont think so lol

No control over keepsakes would suck

Jpom and wantler are too important

[halcyon rain]

chaos 67 into concave stone r1 🥳

[red fox]

Technically you can roll jpom r1 and antler r4 so technically

[crude dragon]

I mean, Chaos really likes to give you region 4 Whantler

[broken creek]

Me when I have to hit a 1/30 twice

[halcyon rain]

make so that chaos 67 works like a dream dive

[crude dragon]

Whether or not they give you any defensive Boons to support it is another story entirely

[halcyon rain]

so now you need to reset for jpom start and wantler r4 while avoiding all the bad regions

[crude dragon]

Great Chaos Dreaming 67F sounds like a nightmare blunt rotation

[proud swift]

If Haelian made a video going over all the reasons it couldn't be done somebody would beat it the next day.

[nova oar]

And it would be me

[unkempt zodiac]

I mean the only thing thats literally impossible AFAIK is bringing the same keepsake for 2 regions

[unkempt zodiac]

They should add it purely for the haelian content

[crude dragon]

Despite the game starting you on Selene Coat

Actually, have all aspects cleared 67F yet?

[nova oar]

Nop

[proud swift]

Three left I think?

[versed aurora]

Is anyone here on the Reddit for this game?

Some ppl I’ve talked to there r genuine chuds 💀

One guy got genuinely upset with me for saying I don’t really care for Moros

He said I was disrespecting those who have him as their favorite and that I was hurting their feelings 💀

So I called him out and told him to get a life

And then a mod replied and said “follow the reddiquette, be respectful to others ☝️🤓”

[proud swift]

Reddit is just weird like that I suppose.

[versed aurora]

Ik it’s not that deep im prob gonna forget about it in 30 mins but its such ragebait dawg

[reef sail]

I miss when the hades Reddit was just famous for dog s gameplay takes

[versed aurora]

Fr some ppl definitely ruined it

The mods especially

They took down my post about me beating 32 heat cuz it “wasn’t serious enough” cuz I took a pic of my tv screen instead of sending in a ps screenshot

Back when I played the first game

[proper seal]

is it possible to get 100% double strike? 👀

I would assume that would take alot of RNG

[jolly hound]

yea a level 30 heroic

[nova oar]

I just left because noone would even try to discuss my takes in a normal manner

I still get hate on my posts months later

[jolly hound]

Might be lower if you get success rate but would in all likelihood require kings ransom shenanigans and or echo pompompom

[nova oar]

Anything slightly victory related gets taken down so nothing really good is ever posted

[versed aurora]

Yea the closest I ever see to victory posts is ppl posting about demolishing bosses with their builds

And even then if it isn’t an actual clip it gets taken down ☹️

[nova oar]

Yeah better to just stay away from that cesspool

[proper seal]

what about with success rate?

[nova oar]

Probably closer to 20-25

Definitely dooable in a normal run

[reef sail]

Moon? Gold!

[broken glen]

Selene after I trade her blessing and aid for a small sum of gold (I’ve done this every night for the past month):

[willow fog]

Does he have a line for onion gold?

[reef sail]

Would arc flash on Anubis Zeus strike trigger constantly with the oattack field?

[willow fog]

Poseidon definitely has a line for onion dupes

[broken glen]

I know I’ve heard something along the lines of Onion? Gold!

But it might be a more individualized line

[willow fog]

Thats peak

[jolly hound]

Yep. Onion? GOLD

[lean bronze]

Wait you can chrolex the forfeit onion???
Thats huge

geniunely broken

[bitter stirrup]

Sometimes I don't purge the onion if I don't need immediate gold so I can save it for higher value stuff like Pom, Soul Tonic, Selene, Chaos

But honestly at 62 I don't often purge first Selene because I have The Moon card activated, and at 65 sometimes I don't either because I can pull Moon or get a Growth node and the mere possibility of Twilight Curse is worth it for me

[lean bronze]

im never purging selene tbh
Twilight curse = a blessing for first few rooms
If i really dont want a selene (or if no good hexes) ill reset

[lean bronze]

wait how much gold does it give

[bitter stirrup]

Onion - 150
Ashes/Bones/Nectar - 200
Pom - 300
Soul Tonic - 300
Centaur Heart - 300
(normal) Boon - 400
(miniboss) Boon - 550 (?)
(first) Selene - 500
(later) Selene - 300
Hammer - 500
Triple Pom - 500
Chaos - 550

[lean bronze]

i mean
150 gold vs 1 hp at max/high hp
Ye i get saving it but youre losing out on an entire room reward

gold rooms give only 100

[wide wigeon]

chaos chaos chaos

[wide wigeon]

wjat about heart

[bitter stirrup]

Oh yeah probably 300 too

But that's probably the only thing I have never purged

[wide wigeon]

can we also sell burger and fries

[bitter stirrup]

Maybe on Dream Dive last region if I Antler'd and have Chrolex usages left? But that's a very rare situation lol

[bitter stirrup]

I don't think so

[wide wigeon]

meli wont be putting the fries in the bag then lmao

[nova oar]

540 gold gives way more value than a chance at some more utility imo

[reef sail]

Nope

[lean bronze]

[reef sail]

Can sell a hermezon prime armor too I think

Or fields mini armor drop

[reef sail]

Centaur Heart? Centaur Gold!

[bitter stirrup]

Oh yeah that's 200 too I think

[reef sail]

I wonder if you can sell the loose elements that sometimes drop in ephyra side closets

[nova oar]

Nop

[reef sail]

Sad

[marsh spear]

My head cooked up some boon ideas:

🌙 Moonshine (Hex)
Melinoë emits a single pulse wave across the entire room that deals mid damage and apples Shine curse.

🌙🍷Madness of Dionysus (godsent)
The pulse also appliesHangover to all enemies.

[reef sail]

Hang on, we wouldn’t want hangover to actually be useful

[broken creek]

it wouldnt be itd be attached to a hex

so its already ass

[broken glen]

would you rather: spend half of your run investing in a mid secondary damage source
OR
gain half a grand in solid gold

[broken creek]

moon? gold!

[marsh spear]

The point of Moonshine is to be a cheap on demand light smite

[broken creek]

just get heinous affront 🥀

fun idea but like genuinely hexes stink in a very fundamental way

[broken glen]

when the moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's

GOLD!

[marsh spear]

Yeah.... I've noticed on high fear i just can't afford to take a hex

[broken glen]

twilight curse is alright to take but the big downside of hexes is room rewards getting clogged up by path of stars

[marsh spear]

Oh wait so purging Moon is actually strictly beneficial?

Or does it show up again?

[bitter stirrup]

Beneficial because it can show up again to purge it again lol

[marsh spear]

Cruel

[bitter stirrup]

But like I said personally if the choices are like Hex vs Soul Tonic/Pom/Gold in region 2 and I'm not in desperate need of gold I'm taking the Hex

Oceanus and Thessaly have a million minor rewards/Pom/Soul Tonic to purge anyway and Oceanus has Chaos possibility

[marsh spear]

Also a pity there wasn't room for Blood Moon or Blue Moon as concepts

[reef sail]

Twilight is nuts for room clear safety

[marsh spear]

I like it a lot, easy to spam to weaken bosses too

[torn wind]

This is basically just what Hestia godsent already does

[reef sail]

Hmmm r3 rivals chronos still got hands

[torn wind]

R3 Chronos in Dream Dives has almost the same stats as normal

And then R4 is buffed

[reef sail]

Oh no the infamous tart start

[upper plover]

I've done the main objective of the game now

Where did Moros go?
Does he leave when it's done?

[reef sail]

He does not

R1 Chronos has hands too, it turns out

Maybe I’m just not so great at rivals chronos

[bitter stirrup]

Did anyone figure out how much they changed it by in the most recent hotfix? Cause crossroads still has the old scaling

[torn wind]

Think Hippo posted it a while back probably check the speedcord for stuff they’ve posted

[bitter stirrup]

Wtf it was barely changed lol

From 1.5× to 1.4× and P3 is 1.12×

So he went from 96k to ~82k R4

I guess it's not "barely changed" but it's still way more HP than Typhon

[marsh spear]

I feared you'd say that. TBF the design space is very well explored

However with a few tweaks and a redesign of Hangover, it could have a niche

[torn wind]

Yep because the already harder boss just had to become MORE hard

[marsh spear]

Sadly it would also add more variance to Hecate

[bitter stirrup]

And the damage is still 1.2× so cutscene at 62 would do 106 damage 🤪 well I guess that doesn't really matter cause Antler

[torn wind]

Play testers don’t exist. They just have a wall they throw numbers at

[nova oar]

Are we still salty about this

[torn wind]

Why do you care?

[crude dragon]

Sometimes the Crossroads characters just aren't there for the night. Moros will return in Avengers: Doomsday

[torn wind]

The subject came up cause somebody mentioned it

[torn wind]

So I talked about it

And I’m allowed to have an opinion about the “nerf” being barely reducing his health

[upper plover]

I had spare nectar, salts, twin lures, and ambrosia ready

[bitter stirrup]

Of all the bosses I think the worst ones for Antler R4 are probably Hecate and Scylla funnily enough because they have a lot of chip damage attacks

[prisma monolith]

Good things those dont dissappear on their own

[true nova]

speaking of rival bosses, does everyone else hate how you need to wait more or tank the damage,

maybe its a skill issue on my part but i find myself having to wait more

[torn wind]

A lot of the bosses do really have a ton of moves you can’t challenge

[bitter stirrup]

Do you mean the health gates?

The ones I really have a problem with are Cerberus and Chronos P3 combo breakers

[true nova]

no, alot of attack are just f off attack

really annoying when im trying to dodge and attack, instead im just waiting for the attack to go away

[torn wind]

I’m assuming they mean things like how you basically just HAVE to run away for things like triple dash on chronos or tongue slam on rivals Typhon

[bitter stirrup]

I think it's only Chronos that has attacks where the optimal strategy is to simply dodge for more than a few seconds

Oh yeah tongue slam too

[torn wind]

Rivals Prometheus gets the punch move that gains projectiles which is annoying

[true nova]

hecate has that big aeo attack where its a circle, she sometimes spam it twice so if i rush in i can still get damage by the second if she uses it

kinda forces me to wait around before attacking

[bitter stirrup]

Cerb 1-2-3-4 1-2-3-4 paw slam for example can be punished with casts or ranged weapons or just timing dashes like a madman which is not really advisable unless you really need it for timer imo

[prisma monolith]

Thats regular boss design no? Challenging the player to dodge? If the boss was just "haha easy just beat me" whats the point

[true nova]

cerb another example with the big aoe attack and his flame breathe, im just running around like a madman

[bitter stirrup]

Hecate Dark Side circle you just train yourself to expect the second one so you can still attack by dashing in and out

[true nova]

i mean you can make it hard without forcing you to wait

[torn wind]

The rivals bosses generally make you respect them a little more since most of them have moves that cover the easily-exploited weaknesses of their normal versions

[upper plover]

Yeah

[bitter stirrup]

Oh yeah Cerb flame breath with the ground circles is another stupid one

[prisma monolith]

Like what exactly, the only thing you can do is dash, if you dont have to wait then all you do is dash once, and keep hitting, that doesnt sound hard at all

[bitter stirrup]

Charybdis feature balls too I guess? But I simply get hit by those because I can, at 67 though I guess you have to really kite them around for a bit

[torn wind]

Getting too aggressive in P3 Chronos and not waiting for him is an easy way to eat several hits

[prisma monolith]

Exactly

If they dont have make you wait then the boss is plainly easy, just dash once to dodge the one attack and keep going

[true nova]

you can just do that, hard doesn't mean fun all the time, im not saying they need to be piss easy cause yeah the bosses do get numb if your blasting through them but you could just lower the big aoe attack or have the boss be more agressive up close

if im just waiting for an attack to finish, im not playing the game

[prisma monolith]

If they are more aggressive up close then you have to dash away and wait till they are no longer agressive so you can keep hitting, literally same thing

[true nova]

you can dash behind for damage before dashing away still keeping yourself engaged

smt like that

[torn wind]

Good luck dodging through Chronos triple dash

And then dodging the scythe slashes

[true nova]

eh totally got this

(dies)

[prisma monolith]

Dash behind him, you need to wait for the dash to come back, which menas the boss cant be too aggressive or else you getting hit right after again.

[torn wind]

It’s entirely POSSIBLE to be aggressive on P3 Chronos but it is intentionally VERY difficult

[bitter stirrup]

I don't play other games like this so I don't know exactly how fights are usually like but in my opinion dodging and being patient should be part of the game

[true nova]

i just don't like boss design that force you to wait

[prisma monolith]

If simply dashing behind solves it, then the boss is dumb, like eris for example

[true nova]

break the immersaive experience

[prisma monolith]

I hate eris, stupid easy fight, just be behind her. Even on rivals form

[true nova]

nah that i get

like she does nuclear damage but the moment you get behind it is piss easy

[prisma monolith]

Thats the problem you run into if you dont make the player wait for dangerous attacks

The boss becomes dumb, just dash once and youre good, thats no fun imo

[true nova]

i mean not really

[prisma monolith]

Thats how I see it, cause what else could you do

[true nova]

games with one dash can make bullet hell bosses hard and fun without forcing the player to wait

[prisma monolith]

Bullets hells forces you to wait, cause you need to find a safe spot

One dash and keep hitting doesnt work on a bullet hell

[true nova]

i didn't find myself doing that, in the bullet hell i've played

but tbf those were isaac and cuphead so quite different

[bitter stirrup]

I'm no fighter but I'm pretty sure in something like boxing for example you have to wait for openings all the time, it's not just two guys wailing on each other until one goes down

[true nova]

no...

your pressuring your opp in a certain spot

to captize on them, if it was just two people staring each other down, thats no fun

[prisma monolith]

Well isaac and cuphead has you just hold down the shoot button 24/7, in hades you cant do that, theres animations

Bad ganes to compare

[true nova]

yeah thats what i mean

both games quite different

[prisma monolith]

Thats not the case here, wrong game

[true nova]

im agreeing with you...you can't compare the games

[prisma monolith]

Well youre the one that made the comparison to begin with

[true nova]

ig im just not use to these type of bullet hell

[marsh spear]

😔 I'm forever trapped in the spiral of thinking about Artemis and Dionysius as full core boon gods and thinking duos for flavour.
And Athena I guess

[prisma monolith]

For starters hades I wouldn't call hades a bullet hell

[true nova]

"quite different"

im refering to how these two games don't follow hades 2 combat

[prisma monolith]

Correct, then is irrelevant

[true nova]

ig my boss philosphy doesn't fit hades 2, it doesn't break the game for me but having to wait for an attack to finish before i can play the game its just eh

[prisma monolith]

Cause your boss philosophy is for a different game, that works different than hades

[true nova]

also doesn't help this wasn't a problem in hades aswell, with three dashes you could still attack

ig then its more of a one dash issue

[marsh spear]

My theory for the Hades philosophy is that you're meant to get hit

[true nova]

like with the artmis blade i did not see this as a issue due to the parry

and same with the skull

both had a "extra dash" allowing me to be more offensive

[prisma monolith]

Good luck 3 dashing and keep attacking the spinning bull or aoe lasering the god of the dead

[true nova]

you didn't do that?

[prisma monolith]

You did?

[true nova]

yes...

[prisma monolith]

And you didnt take dmg?

[true nova]

can't you sometimes dodge through the bull

[prisma monolith]

The spinning bull, ya know, the attack where he spins for like 5 seconds and all you can do is literally run away?

Unless you have a ranged opti9n

[true nova]

(i mostly used hera bow)

and sometimes i could dodge through the spin

plus it was a duo fight so i had another dude to fight

[prisma monolith]

I see then just use skull or staff, there, problem solved. Stay away from cerb and spam the ranged attack. No waiting neccesary

[true nova]

vs hades, yeah never fan of the laser attack but i heard you can hug him and attack him

[prisma monolith]

Not later on you cant

[reef sail]

R4 rivals Scylla rough

[marsh spear]

I find myself waiting in rivals Polyphemus, a few seconds after phase transitions, too many shockwaves

[prisma monolith]

Correct

[true nova]

if you mean phase 3 dad, i never played vs that phase

[prisma monolith]

I can tell

[true nova]

felt fun sometimes but eh i didn't understand the system so i just did the other ones

[reef sail]

Em4 dad was torture

[true nova]

left out dad phase 3

[prisma monolith]

There is a chamber where you fight asterius alone

[true nova]

yeah ik

[prisma monolith]

Its amazing. Incredible fight, banger soundtrack, I cant play without it

[true nova]

but usally the spin attack never happens or when it does, i just get annoyed but since its one attack i just move on

[true nova]

i just put on the soundtrack on youtube while fighting his 2 phases

[prisma monolith]

I understand why youre annoyed given where you come from, but sadly thats the only way to make bosses dangerous in this type of game. If just press dashing fixes it then the fight is dumb

[reef sail]

I did it once to unlock the music and then said noooope

[marsh spear]

Which is why I'm grateful mel doesn't dash

[true nova]

ig the best example is promthesis, he has big aoe attack but you can always rush in to punish him for a few second before having to dodge again

[marsh spear]

as often

[true nova]

it doesn't feel easy since there still hard to dodge and punishing if you fail

but it feels good if you can pull it off

[prisma monolith]

Prometheus has you constantly running either to chase him down or dodge the attacks. Is that no waiting ?

[true nova]

no because your dodging or chasing him

there is no waiting in the corner for the attack to finish

unlick hecate big circle attack where you run to the end of the earth and wait there for a few second

[prisma monolith]

Which?

[true nova]

that big aoe attack where she can spam it twice

idk whats it called

[prisma monolith]

The one in shadow form?

[true nova]

yeah

[prisma monolith]

Thats she does right away?

[true nova]

yes

[prisma monolith]

You can literally dash thru it and hit her

[true nova]

she can spam it twice

[prisma monolith]

You dont need to dash away

Well if she does the animation just dash thru it again

[true nova]

if you dash through the first one

you can't dash the second one

[bitter stirrup]

Yeah you can

[prisma monolith]

Ofc you can, I do it all the time,

[true nova]

huh???

[prisma monolith]

She has a whole animation for it

[true nova]

isn't it on cooldown

[prisma monolith]

She doesnt do it right away, she has an animation

[bitter stirrup]

Go in out in out

[prisma monolith]

Enough for the dash to come back

[true nova]

i swear she does

maybe i need to try again

[prisma monolith]

Im more scare of the barrage she does right after, not the circle

[true nova]

that to

[prisma monolith]

Yeha now that is a problem, but the circle is easy

[true nova]

but with the artmis weapon (my favorite one) i just parry for huge damage

[marsh spear]

Speaking of design space:
Gains

[prisma monolith]

Gains are fine, just not balanced around each other

[marsh spear]

Remember Fluid? Precursor to Grisly probably

I love trying to come up with new ones, it's difficult

[prisma monolith]

Remember when you had to stand in cast for Apollo gain to work

[marsh spear]

YES I HATED THAT

Only usable with Charon and not by much

I'm still amazed by Flood Gain. It's so fun and interesting

[bitter stirrup]

https://imgur.com/a/GikgMHt

For the dark side projectiles right after if you hide behind the pillar they will not hit you

[limpid stream]

Is there a good way to practice VOR Eris without dedicating a whole run

[prisma monolith]

WHAT

[prisma monolith]

Mods

[marsh spear]

Watch high fear runs, it's hilarious

[prisma monolith]

@true nova this shows how

Just watch for her animation and ready yourself to dash again

That pillar trick is crazy, how am I learning that now

[limpid stream]

So no rip

[prisma monolith]

No theres no way to fight eris without going into a run

[true nova]

Thanks

[marsh spear]

Only two gains i was able to design that i remember were
🏹 Critical hits restore magick, which is bad because it's literally Hunter's instinct again,
And
🍷 Erratic gain, which basically is Unseen without being stalled by charging omegas but the amount of magick per second per tick changes randomly every second

Ok imagine this:
You regenerate magick by sprinting

Proportional to distance, so speed buffs it

[prisma monolith]

Not exactly gain related, but its tied to a gain and I just remembered, I still hate that they changed blood drop into plasma

I think blood drop sounded cooler

Neat callback to his h1 keepsake

[marsh spear]

SAME
I love the red

But i believe it was due to age ratings

And probably visibility

I wish plasma/blood was a toggle option

[reef sail]

Just had a very weird interaction with rivals Chronos p2 and sun worshipper

[marsh spear]

Did an hourglass heal you?

[reef sail]

Something knocked Chronos out of his 3 back to back nukes and he appeared next to me after the first one, did some attacks, and then did the other two

[marsh spear]

Oh wow

[reef sail]

Nah, it triggered on a satyr from p1 and he followed me to each phase

[marsh spear]

That's weird

[reef sail]

I’m assuming it was caused by my sun worshipper running into the freeze bubble in middle of arena but dunno

[marsh spear]

So like, you sun worshipped chronos?

[bitter stirrup]

I thought that was normal, I think my first ever Rivals Chronos win had that too

It's Night Bloom that doesn't follow I think

[slim pike]

Ah. Combo breaker

During certain moves, if you damage chronos enough he will interrupt himself, do a set move, then resume what was interrupted unless you phase changed him

[reef sail]

Is that what it was? I probably did more damage to him while first nuke was charging than I usually do

[slim pike]

The instakill series is one of those times

[marsh spear]

I love this

[slim pike]

In phase 3 you can interrupt his opening attack, but his response there is to go invuln and do the orbital bubbles so eh

[reef sail]

I had some silly parray stuff going on

[slim pike]

Yeah that'd do it

[limpid stream]

I figured out how to kill VOR Eris! Make a build that has such high DPS it carries my skill issue

[reef sail]

I held out for ares attack and ended up with danaid dagger attack cope

[slim pike]

Just be VERY careful if you interrupt his rush combo in p3

He will resume it where he left off with NO WARNING

[marsh spear]

Ok another weird gain design:
You regen magick by dealing Olympian damage

[slim pike]

Ehh. Maybe instances of it? Scaling it from damage would be unbalancable

[marsh spear]

Probably hard code it into a formula with an upper limit

[slim pike]

Or maybe kinda both. Scales from X to Y, where X is still okay and Y isn't insane

[marsh spear]

Yep yep

[slim pike]

Hard to make one that forces a behaviour though

[marsh spear]

Similar to Persephone charge in concept

[slim pike]

It might be just too similar to cardio

Each gain forces a particular player behaviour to make them feel different

[marsh spear]

Agreed

[reef sail]

Cardio and grisly fill the same niche for me anyway

Grisly just means sometimes I have to hunt plasma, but it gets some fun synergies that cardion’t

[marsh spear]

There has to be some overlap in behaviour so weapons can keep their style across different god pools

[reef sail]

Ionic gain behavior: activate huntress and never pick up the orb

[marsh spear]

Hahaha

Unironically, that's a great thought

[prisma monolith]

Gain based on damage done

[reef sail]

1magick per 1000 damage done, parray will be self sustaining

[marsh spear]

Lmao

[marsh spear]

You regen magick by dealing Olympian damage

It's been argued against for being too similar to Cardio and Grisly

Why the hurdle?
Fun

[red fox]

My cast regen my magick sounds funny

[prisma monolith]

Yeah I love Apollo gain

[marsh spear]

It would render lucid obsolete probably

[torpid saddle]

What are people doing now?

[prisma monolith]

Monsters killed regen a % amount, for bosses anytime they reach a specific hp threshold trigger the regen gain

[prisma monolith]

Working

[marsh spear]

I thought about it, but it feels worse than grisly on high hp foes

[prisma monolith]

🤷‍♂️

[marsh spear]

And if you can kill them, you don't need it

[prisma monolith]

Something will always be better

[marsh spear]

Sorry im nitpicky

[prisma monolith]

Well is a cascade effect you start with full mana, use to kill one enemy, you regen, so you can keep killing

[marsh spear]

It feels apt for Artemis
🏹Trophy gain

[limpid stream]

Fought VOR Prometheus for the first time and won

Didn’t expect ||the knuckle bones to separately activate on both of them lol||

[prisma monolith]

Oh, thats cool

Never thought of that

[marsh spear]

Oh wow that's good to know

[reef sail]

Not talking to the 1 day old discord account I’ll tell you that much

[marsh spear]

ArtemisArrow.mp3

[prisma monolith]

Are new people not allowed on discord? Cmon

Not everyone 1 day old account is a scam

[limpid stream]

Everyone knows you need a letter of recommendation

[reef sail]

Yeah I need to know they’re cool, man

[prisma monolith]

And how will you find out if you dont talk to em

[reef sail]

never underestimate the importance of body language

Or whatever Ursula said

[prisma monolith]

[limpid stream]

Ok so I’ve been thinking. Shouldn’t aspect of Mel be the last aspect unlocked? Like in universe, what did the weapons look like to Mel the moment immediately proceeding getting them

[slim pike]

All of the weapons always transform to their current owners, says the lore

it's an oddity that mel and zag can reveal other aspects at all

[marsh spear]

The weapons choose their appearance to fit the wielder.
Makes sense for Mels aspects to be her aspects

[marsh spear]

The weapons grow to trust them

[red fox]

When eris reveal hidden aspect

[marsh spear]

Huh?

[limpid stream]

Through Mel

[prisma monolith]

The aspects aren't necessarily in chronological order, they shift as they see fit. Mel seeing the aspects in her own image makes at first makes the most sense

[prisma monolith]

Now this is an interaction I find weird, because canonically we know it is mel who causes the change.

[marsh spear]

Yep. It's implied the weapon doesn't like Eris much, but is just as prone to chaos

[prisma monolith]

Wait how is that implied

[limpid stream]

Probably because the infernal arms are defined by protecting the underworld and she’s quasi-fighting against it

[marsh spear]

Uhhhhh some dialogue i read year ago

[marsh spear]

I think you're wrong.
The infernal arms are just arms.
The weapons of night are the ones for protecting the underworld

Different families, so to speak

[prisma monolith]

The infernal arms were made to defeat the titans during the titanomachy.

And yeah the nocturnal arms are to defend the underworlds

Sibling pair if you must

[marsh spear]

If anything what most sparks my curiosity is that young Eos will wield the torches

[limpid stream]

That’s what I just said no?

[marsh spear]

Not exactly.
Infernal refers to Hades 1 weapons
Nocturnal, to Hades 2

[limpid stream]

Oh I see I mixed up infernal and nocturnal

I know the where each terms come from I just conflated their lore rip

[marsh spear]

Haha

Cause of death: grammar misteak

[limpid stream]

Holy crap just finished an up route and my build was so busted REDACTED didn’t even have the most damage dealt

[marsh spear]

Personally, my life payment is Prometheus.
RedactedUp i can dodge better

[reef sail]

He’s a big punching bag

[limpid stream]

Prometheus was my most damage suffered stupid insta kill

[marsh spear]

Waves?

[limpid stream]

The fire lines yeah

[prisma monolith]

I find it funny since it mirror hades 1, elysium and champions are probably the biggest check. After that is free most of the time

I still dont know how people struggle with the memory game

[marsh spear]

It's usually when the damage spike is reached around

[marsh spear]

Different flavours of ADHD.
In my case ironically it helps lol

[prisma monolith]

Its 3 numbers, and then 5

😭

Like imo its probably the easiest attack in the entire game

[marsh spear]

ELITIST

Jk

[prisma monolith]

I wish, I dont even do fear 45 or above

[whole remnant]

i did my first 65f runs

won with mel skull and mel staff

UW ofc

if i can win with circe and persephone

going to the circus

[willow fog]

Gratzi

[whole remnant]

thx it was a bit ago

skulls earlier last week

mel staff more recently

[willow fog]

Is mel staff rly that good

[whole remnant]

yeah best weapon in the game

along with skulls if you know how to use them

its a freaking nuke with that +40 power

axe like damage faster and better range

ridiculous with dual moonshot

[willow fog]

I forgot that 40 power applied for omegaspecials

I already run medea shotgun skull

[whole remnant]

with Huntress active doesn't matter

regular strikes do same damage

Madea is good but riskier

i think really high fear mel skulls are best

then persephone

but Madea packs heat

just with max scars Madea you take more damage than Mel Skulls which you can play like Madea but also play range

also with Parray Mel Skulls are totally busted

parray and a good gain

hopefully hera attack

[willow fog]

Does the mel attack power scale that well?

[cunning laurel]

its less the power and more parray

persephone can perform very similar

[rugged nymph]

should i actually use the aspects i havent used

[willow fog]

Use the Selene jetpack

Best aspect in the game

[spring breach]

It’s certainly a Top 24 aspect for sure 💛

[rugged nymph]

well thats one of the ones i havent used

i dont even have the hidden one yet

dont you get that from upgrading Aspect of Selene

ive done 2 Black Coat runs ever both with Aspect of Mel

[sullen thorn]

Finally beaten both Rival 4

[prisma monolith]

One of the aspects of all time even

[sullen thorn]

Wait, I can't go see my family?

[spring breach]

Truly an aspect that exists in this game 🫠

[rugged nymph]

possibly top 48 counting Hades 1

[whole remnant]

Mel Skulls can be amazing still without parray. it just puts them over the top insane. but wide grin and boosted/looming. Mel Skulls are solid.

[whole remnant]

It does less damage because the power but a wide grin build is the same/better. and sprouted can do some cool things, big Hitch O Spec clears, invulnrability etc

they're both in my top 5 used weapons

Mel Skulls > Mel Staff > Persephone > Circe >>> Mel Coat

mainly using the top four since trying 65f

[willow fog]

I dont quite see why mell skull is that strong

[whole remnant]

also like Morrigan a lot

[willow fog]

I know it gains power but is it even significant per skull

[whole remnant]

yep

especially with damage buffs scaled on top

[willow fog]

+24 power at 4 skulls or smtn right

Wdym scaled on top? Like aphro?

[whole remnant]

anything

[cunning laurel]

any % yea

[willow fog]

Whats boon of choice for skulls

[cunning laurel]

does a lot and its very safe and mobile

[whole remnant]

depends

[whole remnant]

exactly you can play Mel Skulls like Madea almost or play safe when necessary, its more open

Persephone is great too best user of Wide Grin

[cunning laurel]

although my persephone 65 was 6 minutes faster than my mel 🙄

[whole remnant]

Blast/Zeus attack on Persephone can be fun

Persephone is fun because lots of options

idk Mel Skulls has more 67s and 65s and in general I think is just better because the damage but Persephone has perks

I didn't care for Sprouted too much but learned you can do some cool stuff with it

they can play similar

just depends on hammer/boons etc

I haven't cleared 65 with persephone yet

gotten to last stage of rivals chronos

Mel Skulls and Mel Staff I have managed to win

Mel Staff was an Ares heavy build lol

Epic Vicious Flourish, GBlow Rallying Cry was activated

had Heaven Strike that was rare but steady growth hit it and rare extended family

dual moonshot and melting swipe

hera/ares boons mostly

had like 2 from zeus lol, and like 3 from dem

[grave flame]

Objectives for today s session !
All keepsakes to 3 stars (3 left)
||Arachne and Echo/Narcissus quests to completion||
Maybe one or two minor prophecies
And if i lock in the second ||veil reward||

Oh and my 10th bond with someone as well almost forgot, so i can get the trophy, now who do i bond as the 10th

And also check in with Circe at least twice for ||her aspect voiceline and getting different appearences on familiars||

[whole remnant]

i love the new raki appearance they added in the ps/xbox add patch

[marble chasm]

Anyone have suggestions on a good Ares build

I miss Doom

[glacial light]

Ares + Zeus + Apollo

Going for duo Ares Zeus and Apollo revenge

That'll work on any weapon basically

I find it most fun on aspect of || anubis ||

[marble chasm]

Why Apollo? Is his revenge just the most damage?

[cursive nacelle]

divine vengeance(zeus) is better for boss fights.

[bitter stirrup]

Yeah but the point of Heinous Affront is the insane room clear

It really won't do much with just Divine Vengeance

And pretty much the only bossfight where it really does a lot is Rivals Scylla and maybe Chronos with all the summons

[prisma monolith]

Cloud bangle, gets you the new and upgraded doom

[grave flame]

Going to Olympus to see Circe and Athena
Seeing neither of them

[whole remnant]

Heinous Affront so hard to hit with forfeit/debt 🙁

[prisma monolith]

Luckily for you, at least you got athena on speed dial

[whole remnant]

plus need light smite so three gods

its been so long since i used gorgon amulet

[fathom lake]

I basically plead for more revenge bons on EA but thy never added more of them

[whole remnant]

never find a good place since it breaks fate whim

fields has echo who can give you refills or overpowered EEE

olypmus you can naturally hit, lats 4th biome i'm all in on antler

maybe pin rarely

but almost always antler, too fast

[glacial light]

Light smite hits everything in the room so it's good wave clear

DV is better vs bosses tho

[grave flame]

I used her keepsake in olympus

She rejected me i guess

[sacred socket]

Is it a known issue that the vow of time stops counting sometimes? (not that I'm complaining lol)

[whole remnant]

its not an issue

it stops counting during certain instances

like icarus

athena

[sacred socket]

Should have been specific - it froze during my 1st Heracles scene on Rift but hasn't continued after I resumed fighting on the ship

[whole remnant]

yeah Heracles stops the timer

[sacred socket]

even in the middle of clearing a room? interesting

like he's left, I've spun the wheel for another round in same area and it's still not counting lol

[bitter stirrup]

It must be Icarus then

Not sure if there's a cooldown in Thessaly like there is in Ephyra though

[sacred socket]

hmmm one sec, I did pause it 5 secs into the fight lol

[bitter stirrup]

Like iIrc Heracles and Artemis can't show up too close together in Ephyra

[sacred socket]

wow I unpaused and he instantly appeared LOL

nvm then xD

[glacial light]

THATS MY BOY SAVING THE TIMER

[sacred socket]

bestest boy

he hasn't visited my garden in like 15 nights tho 😒

[cunning laurel]

i didnt know you could get them both on the same boat

[bitter stirrup]

Stopping the timer just to make you fight 8 waves of Olympus enemies and give you Supply Chain Explosive Intent Hazard Boom 🔥

At least he can sometimes give you 100 armor or 3 levels on a Hephaestus blast

[sacred socket]

was my first time seeing Heracles there so that was a treat!

[glacial light]

HEY LEAVE MY BOY ALONE SUPPLY CHAIN HAS SAVED ME SO MANY TIMES

[prisma monolith]

did you have dds?

[sacred socket]

lmao just hit Circe and she removed the time vow. ain't that a b....

[grave flame]

[glacial light]

Is that a yes XD

[grave flame]

[prisma monolith]

im afraid i dont know what this means

[grave flame]

It means i thought even with dds my dumbass assumed i could still prevail

[prisma monolith]

well at least you know why she rejected your call

[grave flame]

If i was Odysseus she would have answered

[true nova]

the statue that give you marble are not appearing, anyone know why

[bitter stirrup]

Just random chance

[grave flame]

Inflation hits us all
Marble expensive

Circe i beg

Spawn
I BEG

[true nova]

lol

[grave flame]

Dude i ve got more automatons than Pirates on the boats
Fear ain t messin around

ICARUUUUUUUUUUUUUUS NO WHY

Damn i got Heracles and Icarus on the same boat and then Circe
What is this run

Alteration of familiar forms unlocked

[harsh bluff]

so i guess i need to beat chronos again?

after beating surface

[grave flame]

First time at the summit with 8 fear
Let s see how it goes

I hate the eye with a passion

End boss time

[true nova]

I got three achievement left

Improbable outcomes
Chaos in hell
Bearing dark gift

Which one should I do next

[bitter stirrup]

Way better than Tail for me

[grave flame]

I was so close ugh

[grave flame]

But you have so much space for tail

[blissful fog]

yo

im in love with anubis staff

[grave flame]

I had a question btw
||is it explicit what you need to do to go forward with Selene's bond quest ? "Prove yourself with a weapon bearing her aspect"
I ve beaten Chronos and Typhon with hers, does it need a certain amount of fear or another kind of trigger?||

[blissful fog]

shoot i js unlocked dream dives

[sacred socket]

lmao I think you literally hit the same run I was on earlier that I mentioned here. 8 fear too 😂

was one of your Circe rewards removing a vow? if so seed confirmed pahaha

[sacred socket]

turn off your vows fgs before you do it
I had no idea what it was and regretted 😭

[blissful fog]

dw, i dont play with fear

[ebon sigil]

per reddit:

U need to exhaust all her dialogue until she talks about you using her aspect and then win the run, then next run after you’ll deepen trust/form bond and she’ll accept ambrosia

[sacred socket]

double entendre 😏

[ebon sigil]

probably you're there and just need to talk to her more, also check if it is letting you gift her or not, not sure if you need to gift her one more time after you clear or something.

[wide wigeon]

yo why tf is hypnos giving me summit and tartarus back to back

[whole remnant]

lol 62 fear dream dives are so rough

you gotta get fields/oceanus/thessaly start or you lose

[wide wigeon]

summit on the first region now dude what the hell

[whole remnant]

then you really want ephyra in the run

[bitter stirrup]

Tail fight takes longer and the eggs and Dracons can take you by surprise, Eye fight is done in 20 seconds tops

[wide wigeon]

if i get ephyra I js relax dude its great i love it

[whole remnant]

i did a bunch of dream dives early on and i had to reset a lot to get wins

Ephyra you cant start in

Erebus and Ephyra only appear 2-4

[wide wigeon]

I never got ephyra and erebus starting

oh its built like that

[whole remnant]

yeah its impossible

All but one of my 62 fear wins had a start in FIelds(3)/Oceanus(1)/Thessaly(2)

and five had ephyra in it

the one that didn't have ephyra ended in Thessaly and had Erebus 2nd and Olympus third

so wasn't too rough

[grave flame]

How

[whole remnant]

2 mel staff clears, 1 circe, 1 mel skulls, 1 persephone, 1 mel coat

im a staff/skull guy

but coats and morrigan are fun

trick knives i can do easy buts its boring fishing for TK

then dash strike to win

At least at high fear Mel Blades you can win with Dancing Knives and Reaper but its hard as heck

need like Zeus/Hera special

[bitter stirrup]

Eye just kinda sits there and you almost never have to dodge

[whole remnant]

one of my surface clears is Pan TK tho lol

that and parray Skulls easiest 62 fear surface wins

[wide wigeon]

chat is it weak to js let nem take care of all shades

[grave flame]

Hah?
I need to see this

I get hit by so much stuff in eye fights

[bitter stirrup]

Ah I should have prefaced by saying I use Antler on surface most of the time so that I can kill Typhon before he kills me lol

[wide wigeon]

dude eye is a sitting duck if you doing medea

yeah everyone runs antler eye dies in liek 5 seconds with antler

[eager gust]

eye and twins are my dream minibosses on surface

[grave flame]

30 hp enough for you at fear 8+?

[bitter stirrup]

Funny thing is, when I first started playing I had no idea you could damage the eye directly and spent all my time killing the eyeball until it died 😂

[grave flame]

You get 1 shot by everything surely

[eager gust]

not if it all dies before it can hit you

[bitter stirrup]

Yeah but the thing is most normal enemies you get to kill in 1 or 2 hits, then for the boss you have at least 3 free hits to take

[grave flame]

No yeah i know the concept

[bitter stirrup]

Plus I want at least a Snow Queen, Trusty Shield, Nitro Boost, dodge chance, etc.

I think twice about using Antler if I don't have those

[eager gust]

if i ever got tail with wantler im just accepting my fate though

[whole remnant]

hey i cleared 65 persephone like an hour ago

[wide wigeon]

whats the chance of a fountain in tartarus

[whole remnant]

wide grin build

[bitter stirrup]

No Pee Array?

[whole remnant]

nope

looming ignition and wid grin

and Hera Spec

crazy O Spec clears

[bitter stirrup]

Waow rare Ospec usage

[whole remnant]

yeah on thessaly

i mean oceanus

[blissful fog]

HE DID THE SAME TO ME

[whole remnant]

the water area lol

[bitter stirrup]

All I know is, if you see a god boon door and it isn't miniboss, it's guaranteed fountain

[blissful fog]

i got fields/summit/tartarus/summit

[whole remnant]

but mostly I used Wide Grin

[blissful fog]

died at summit

[willow fog]

The trick is per room barriers

Demeter gives you 1

Hermes gives up to 3

[whole remnant]

its useful in oceanus in some of those small rooms

[willow fog]

Armor is 1 barrier

You can take effectively 11 hits

I forgot the other tools

[wide wigeon]

I died on the first region cause I was running forfeit so no boon at all so I went into every optional chamber expecting a fountain but nah never happened

[grave flame]

[willow fog]

A good hermes barrier can have 3 hits iirc

[whole remnant]

@bitter stirrup but mostly Zeus attack like +11 rare

[willow fog]

Might be 4 at epic

[whole remnant]

huge blitz and attack damage

[willow fog]

Also best cast dps cuz lol

[whole remnant]

some O Spec use for avoiding damage and clearing corners of Oceanus rooms

[willow fog]

Highest cast dps, which is double 2nd highest

[wide wigeon]

I got summit first region dude im gonna cry i think

[whole remnant]

if I can clear Circe at 65 Im going to 65 Circus

[willow fog]

Circus?

[whole remnant]

high fear nickname for surface

because its way harder and crazier on high fear

than UW

[willow fog]

Ohhh damn

I can imagine

[bitter stirrup]

Yeah on Tartarus start Dream Dive I just reset lol

[willow fog]

Ngl i struggle more with olympus than region 3

Those hep robots

[whole remnant]

whats your highest dive clear? 62?

[bitter stirrup]

Yeah 62 a few times, been considering trying 65 because only like 3 people have cleared 65+ dream dive so far but it just sounds like absolute hell lol

[whole remnant]

yeah 65 sounds like for hardcore sweats

[willow fog]

Imagine a formula 1 race but they confiscate your car at the starting line

[whole remnant]

all i know is 6 - 62 dream dive clears, 3 65 UW - i said if i could clear my best four weapons at 65 i'd try 65 surface

[bitter stirrup]

And then you have to drive walk to the next track a few continents away 😂

[whole remnant]

i'm scared for 65 surface lol

[bitter stirrup]

65 surface definitely more punishing if you don't get lucky after Eris

[whole remnant]

I've gotten pretty close with Circe 65 using Gale

close once with Raki

[bitter stirrup]

Whereas 65 uw even if you don't get lucky after Hecate, you can just Tooth for Scylla then sleepwalk through Fields and hopefully get what you need for Chronos

[blissful fog]

hm

[whole remnant]

Gale seems better at 65 which sucks

[blissful fog]

whats a good weapon for high fear runs?

i wanna try like 12 fear

[whole remnant]

12 fear is low fear so anything works

[halcyon rain]

any weapon works at that low fear, what's your favorite one?

[whole remnant]

but Mel Staff fully upgraded is probably the universally easiest to clear at many fears

[blissful fog]

shiva coat and anubis staff

[willow fog]

12 fear is 0 fear with practice

[whole remnant]

Mel Staff is very easy and safe from 0 to 67 fear lol

well not easy at high end

[halcyon rain]

you can do 12f easily with both of them, do you need help with like builds, arcana setups, fear setups etc?

[whole remnant]

but the easiest

Anubis is great early on and mid fear

[blissful fog]

i guess so

[whole remnant]

I think Anubis is easy 12 fear as long as you get Zeus/Hestia/Hera attack

[blissful fog]

because the only fear i've ever played at was frenzy 2

[whole remnant]

smooth ride with those

[halcyon rain]

frenzy 2 time 3 is already 12F

[blissful fog]

true

[eager gust]

12f is just my baseline now

[brave urchin]

if i have Arachne's keepsake

and lose the armor and then later buy armor again, will it keep adding armor again?

[wide wigeon]

yes

getting trusty shield is great with sash i like it a lot

[brave urchin]

oh my gosh.... and for 300 hours of Hades 2 i thought once you lose it the keepsake is done..... I never know you could restart the armor gain mid run.....

or wait

you do have to restart..... cus I lost her dress

[wide wigeon]

why do you need her dress

[dusty topaz]

Once you lose her dress you will lose its special ability. Buying armor later on will not restore the ability.

[sacred socket]

do you get anything for completing a run with her dress?

[dusty topaz]

I belive it's some special lines of dialogue that you'll get.

[sacred socket]

I figured, that is cool. Never ever going to try but still.

[dusty topaz]

Some (all?) of the bosses will comment on the dress if you make it that far. I myself never got past Hecate though. 😂

[sacred socket]

Oh? I want to say I got to Scylla once, or at least very close. Remember lucking out with armor being topped up but can't remember if I got all the way

[dusty topaz]

Just saw there's a Steam achievement apparently that requires you to reach one of the final bosses with a dress.

[halcyon rain]

yeah you don't need to win the run just reach chronos with the dress, its simple to do if you use her keepsake and stack heph boons

[sacred socket]

Hahaha that's mental

One of the few times I'm happy I'm playing on Switch, don't have to think of such things

[dusty topaz]

Yeah, it shouldn't be that hard to keep the dress for a longer time, especially with low/no fear. But I guess having a dress makes me extra nervous.

[dusty topaz]

Same! It would bug me without end not being able to reach 100% of the achievements.

[sacred socket]

Haha same, Hectate takes a chunk then I lose all composure 😂

And ditto on the achievements!

[acoustic gazelle]

I hated the skulls weapon...until I unlocked the Aspect of Hel. God that weapon is good. Love that omega special. Clears out so many enemies at once

[harsh bluff]

yo i keep beating surface and top but just can’t get to credits

i guess i’m working on hypnos

just keep working on hypnos?

[jolly hound]

You need 7 chronos wins and 4 Typhon wins I think

[harsh bluff]

alright thanks

that’s a lot of wins lol

[grave flame]

Salut Zoobles

[barren stirrup]

will there be a hell mode at some point in hades 2 similar to the one in the prequel?

[brave urchin]

An achievement actually.

But you only have to reach the final boss.

Not beat them.

[fathom tartan]

When you have dress you can buy armor or get some from booms (like hefajstos). Your dress become stronger. You lose it only when you run out of armor.

I got this achievement by accident but it was fun to get last chamber in black

[lime crest]

guys

i had my friend listen to olympus aflame and they said the beginning sounds like tom and jerry music

now i cant unhear it

[jolly anvil]

thoughts on what weapon to use for my next run? have exclusively run torches (moros) since i got them but looking for smt fun (and doable for a clear)

torn between charon axe and circe staff

[plain vector]

circe staff is fun

with raki or toula

[blissful merlin]

someone know how to progress with the quest of narciso and eco? Im at the point where i need to help both with their past

[jolly anvil]

i only got the frog rn

is it needed to have the other pets/one thats levelled up and stuff

as in would it not be fun without those

[plain vector]

i didnt like circe with the frog
those other two pets actually go towards enemies so it makes the double cast way better

[jolly anvil]

fair

ill google n figure out how to get the others (even tho the frog is like the most precious one)

kind of in the stage where ill probably just keep resetting rather than going thru full runs to get resources instead

[jolly anvil]

which of the two would you choose?

[plain vector]

raki is less work but toula stays on target better

[worldly mantle]

unless toula is sleeping

i generally go raki on circe

raki's pathing is pretty reliable and its pecking is pretty consistent

[jolly anvil]

can i find fish before ephyra

[crude dragon]

Considering you can't get the fishing rod until you get to Thessaly, no

[torn wind]

We talking for Circe? I’d still take Gale over Toula personally

Having to manage Toula is annoying at times

Gotta stop at the start of every room until she pops in then run over and activate her, meanwhile gale kinda just pops up right on top of you is constantly following you

Makes using the leash difficult but I’d rather just always being able to get double casts over having to deal with Toula

But Raki still wins for Circe

[blissful fog]

won my first dream dive

olympus/tartarus/erebus/fields

[eager gust]

raki is my default if i have no idea who to run

[jolly anvil]

well ill have to get it later but i did not realize till i just unlocked her now that SHE GIVES U A DEATH DEFIANCE

which is kind of nuts

any basic builds to follow (ik its usually zeus special and cast)

not sure ab the gain though

[eager gust]

apollo

[jolly anvil]

oh makes sense acc, shud i start with his keepsake or still start with zeus

[torn wind]

I mean a DD is alright but like Gale also gives you 3 free blocks per region and 6% dodge which comes out to far more value than a single DD

[jolly anvil]

(\doing upper runs so shudnt be much of a problem but was thinking hera gain first

[torn wind]

There’s a reason Gale is the absolute goat of high fear

[jolly anvil]

fair ill try and unlock him next

but tbh my only goal was to get a single clear of the upper area and i got that pretty quick

so now its down to messing around so im hoping the DD pays off and actually gets me a clear since ive been on torches for so long

[eager gust]

i need to try out gale

[torn wind]

Gale’s value goes WAY up as fear goes up because Pain exists

[eager gust]

how can i farm the treats

[torn wind]

Just do chaos trials

You can bake them with star dust. That’s it

[jolly anvil]

should i start with apollos keepsake to get lucid gain, or zeus to get special/cast on circe

[torn wind]

Magick is pretty pointless on Circe tbh

Zeus cast is the single best boon that exists on Circe

[eager gust]

zeus cast is best but i have a soft spot for heph cast with all the noise

[torn wind]

Staff as a whole rarely uses magick and what magick it does use is pretty cheap. It’s better to not use a gain that you can’t control because you want to keep huntress active

[jolly anvil]

really? tbf i havent played much of the staff but i try and abuse the magick attack as much as i can

should i mainly just be throwing regular attacks/casts/specials

[broken creek]

yeah the magic stinks

[jolly anvil]

surprising lol i rlly liked it

[broken creek]

staff is at its best when youre just looping dash attack -> special

[jolly anvil]

it feels a bit like im button mashing otherwise

[torn wind]

Omega attack is only really used for speedrunning. Otherwise it kinda stinks

[jolly anvil]

okok is that just the rhythm i need always

[jolly anvil]

i mean fast = fun

[torn wind]

It’s a lot of charge time for only about the same damage that you can get from your far safer dash attack special combo

[broken creek]

also once you get stuff like dual moonshot, melting swipe, shimmering moonshot youll want to do omegas less and less because they just take time

you get much more payoff for just ignoring omegas

[torn wind]

Melting swipe and mirrored thrasher are super fun on Circe

But dual moonshot is still always amazing

[jolly anvil]

so just spam dash attack, special, rinse and repeat (and cast thrown in when it expires)

should i be mindful of actually getting the leash to hit?

[torn wind]

Tip for using dash attack. The moment you press attack your I-frames go away

So don’t be too aggressive with it

You want to delay it a little bit so that you can get full I-frames and time it with the dash cooldown. That way you can dash out of your special to cancel the animation

[jolly anvil]

ive usually been mashing attack with specials thrown in for ranged enemies

[jolly anvil]

okok a bit of delay after the dash good to note

really refreshing weapon tbh, was playing skulls for the chaos trial and genuinely almost fell back into the trap of abusing fast weapons like i did with eris rail

so zeus cast, zeus special, and apollo gain if it comes up any other boons to look for?

[torn wind]

Circe is still a very high tier aspect

You can get very fast with stuff like Zeus cast, melting swipe, and getting good with using leash

[jolly anvil]

also, should i actually be actively trying to line up the leash to hit enemies, or just let it hit when it does

[jolly anvil]

so the other boons arent very important i assume

[torn wind]

Don’t let trying to manage the leash put you in bad places but the reason Raki is the goat on Circe is he kinda just goes and does his own thing and makes using the leash pretty easy

[jolly anvil]

might js get hera for the heroic thing then

[torn wind]

Zeus attack or special and some other curses like wounds for grievous blow or hitch are good

You still want to be able to get origination

Arctic gale is also great for Circe

[jolly anvil]

tbh raki has a lot of pre requirements im not totally sure if i have them all

[torn wind]

Since it covers the fact that Zeus cast doesn’t apply a curse

[jolly anvil]

oh yea fair

[torn wind]

What do you mean by that?

[jolly anvil]

i havent unlocked raki yet

[torn wind]

You just have to find him in a fountain room in Erebus

That’s not a big requirement

He’s one of the first three you can recruit

Then Hecuba and Gale become available to find later

[jolly anvil]

theres some other cauldron things u need to do but i probably just naturally got all the requirements

[broken creek]

its not a requirment until like 62f lol

[jolly anvil]

ykw as useful as the DD would be, gonna get raki first before i do a proper circe run

and im assuming i should avoid using magick attack/special

[torn wind]

Raki is just better tbh. Toula often can leap past enemies and make landing casts annoying

[jolly anvil]

sorry got loads of questions but i dont want to fall into the trap i did last game of mostly sticking to extremely similar weapons

[torn wind]

Just use omega special or omega cast to activate huntress arcana

[jolly anvil]

oh def

maybe im better without a mana gain then

so its just active for every fight

[torn wind]

Usually you don’t want to take gains that automatically regen magick when you’re playing staff

So take something like born gain, ionic gain or tough gain if you’re gonna take one

Glamour gain is still a solid option though since free curse

And having origination is usually more important than having huntress

Huntress isn’t super important but with how tanky the surface is having more damage never hurts

[jolly anvil]

for sure thats acc a really good tip, current run im just immediately starting rooms with an omega immediately to get that up

[torn wind]

A bunch of people brush aside huntress cause “well % is additive so who cares” but an extra ~20 damage per hit is still an extra ~20 damage per hit

Never gonna complain about having some more damage since it can often mean taking a hit or two less to kill an enemy

[reef sail]

Idk what you mean, Toula is very top tier at being forgotten by me at the doorway

Why can’t she lay down in the middle of the room 😭

[torn wind]

Why can’t she lay down in the middle of the room 😭

[jolly hound]

to be fair she’s a cat

I wonder if there’s a Heracles talking about Toula dialogue cause the man says cat like it’s a slur

[worldly mantle]

considering his relationship with lions it probably is

[jolly wing]

Is there an easy way to defeat Hecate without Arcana active?

Is there a Chaos trial?

[torn wind]

The easy way is just doing it

Like its not that hard since you can still take familiars

[jolly wing]

I prefer to not go through an entire run without Arcana.

[torn wind]

So just bring Toula or Frinos and a weapon that doesn’t really need arcana’s like Mel staff or something

You can just die after fighting Hecate

[jolly wing]

No fair though. The first night doesn’t count?

[jolly hound]

seeing how far you can get without arcana is kinda fun tho

[torn wind]

The achievement requires you complete the prophecy

So just doing a fresh file run wouldn’t work

[crude dragon]

There is a Chaos Trial for it, yes

And said Trial doesn't restrict your Keepsake or Familiar

And also keeps your Aspect rank, so you can kinda just steamroll it

[raw kraken]

I think the base chaos trials counts

[blissful fog]

god i love ||anubis|| staff

spamming omegas is like asmr to me

[reef sail]

There is, and it will complete the prophecy

It should have been one of the very first ones you unlock

[jolly wing]

On Surface Region 1,

Can Artemis appear at Room with Moon boon?

[nova oar]

No

[crude dragon]

No, only on a Path of Stars room

[reef sail]

Summit start into tart r2 on Charon and Apollo hasn’t shown up

I think I will not continue this charade

[stone hollow]

is there anywhere i could post a clip

[nova oar]

Link it with imgur or smth

[stone hollow]

https://medal.tv/games/hades-ii/clips/mHXMCnltbvPlZty-M?invite=cr-MSx5amgsNDQ4ODU4NTE2

attack speed was insane

absolute scorch machine

[elder crystal]

Hello folks! I have a question about the Knives. I've noticed that the damage numbers for the third move in the Attack sequence register as 40 / 60 / 75 in rapid succession. (Mel stabs three times in one move.) I'm unsure if that means the third move deals 75 damage total, or if it's actually adding those together for 175 damage. Pretty sure it's the former but I wanted to double-check. (Not sure if that phrasing makes sense, I can clarify if needed ':D)
*Edit: Blades, not knives

[cursive nacelle]

believe its total, so 75

since the attacks happen so fast thered be no point seperating the numbers

[elder crystal]

Gotcha! That tracks. Thanks!

[reef sail]

Beating a dead horse

[hybrid stream]

is there any way i can romance moros after declining him 🥹 i thought u could only romance 1 at a time

[lusty axle]

Sadly I don't think so. I chose to romance EVERYONE and haven't had any issues

[hybrid stream]

moros was the first one to give me the romance prompt and i didn't know whether or not if it would lock me out of the other routes 😭

[ebon oak]

Today I learned that Echo can offer you Boon Boon Boon even if you didn't get any boons the previous night, causing Shared Fortune to be the only option.

[nova oar]

He will ask again

[hybrid stream]

how? ?????????|

[nova oar]

Just keep talking to him it'll happen again

Every character can be sexed up infinitely

[hybrid stream]

thank u goat!!!!!!!!

[torn wind]

It’s actually kinda funny cause now that they added the infinite gifting and freaky time it’s actually easier to get 100% since you can continue to pass time with gifts so you can grow you plants and get your shipments

It was one of the annoying things when grinding for kudos was not being able to give gifts anymore

They added a new resource grinding mechanic in the form of infinitely sexing up everybody

[limpid stream]

What constitutes nearby for Aphrodite

[torn wind]

About the size of your cast

Or just about the size of torch omega special (which is actually an ellipse so some parts of it sit outside the Aphrodite “nearby” area)

[limpid stream]

Dang I got it on my torch special rn

[torn wind]

RIP. It’s good on Eos though since that does a lot of normal special spam

I’ve run epic aphro special on Eos and it shredded

[limpid stream]

I almost took Eos but went Mel rippp

[torn wind]

Eh it’s still fine on Mel torch since at least you’ll get big crits when it does hit

[reef sail]

So is my math right that there are 1280 possible DD combos

Seems high

[limpid stream]

Beat VOR Scylla with no mana half the fight with the torches I’ve peaked

[reef sail]

I found a way to lose with Medea

Have a dogwater build

[torn wind]

Not an excuse tbh cause it’s still Medea

Unless it’s surface

[limpid stream]

Going to VOR Chronos for the first time. I’m jpommed to hell and back and max DDs wish me luck

[nova oar]

Let us know when you die

[limpid stream]

[proud swift]

You've got this.

[quiet seal]

Good luck

[limpid stream]

I killed him

[reef sail]

Oceanus Summit Thessaly DD, Eris did me in because my damage was not there

Rivals

Blew two defiance on a horribly messy r1 Scylla fight

[reef sail]

You monster

[nova oar]

Nevermind

[limpid stream]

If it makes you feel better it was close

[night veldt]

I've finally completed Hades 2 guys

All achievements gotten, all prophecies fulfilled, all testaments done, all Chaos Trials done, all relationships forged, all dolls on shelf

[nova oar]

62f done yet?

[night veldt]

I'm not doing that

[nova oar]

[proud swift]

[terse rampart]

So I just finished 32 fear..... I was not expecting that reward..... it was.... something alright

[reef sail]

Very unexpected

[reef sail]

Four hammers and I manage to not see trick knives once

[hearty timber]

Congratulations NIGHT'S CHAMPION

[night veldt]

This happens, I was like 70+ runs in, and have completed the main story before gaining armor melting daedalus on skulls

[bitter stirrup]

At 550+ hours I only just got Melting Shredder for the prophecy recently

But that's more a function of me never playing Axe and especially not for fun where I would let myself take a hammer that I don't normally need as much

Hell my last prophecy is to beat a Dream Dive with Axe

[marsh spear]

I love melting shredder

Even if normal special is awkward, deleting armor is dopamine

I'm braining arcana.
Would you spend 4 grasp to begin a night with 3 of each element?

[bitter stirrup]

That would basically be Excellence but 100% (aside from the Legendary odds) if you have Hera in the pool for Proper Upbringing lol

[marsh spear]

.....oh i never thought of that lmao

[bitter stirrup]

I think I would drop Sorceress, Huntress, and Night in my current setup for that so maybe even 5 grasp lol

Well Sorceress only if I wasn't channeling a lot

[marsh spear]

I was originally thinking about four different arcana, each 1 grasp, granting 3 of each element.

Problem is that it would probably mess up lapis lazuli

And citrine

It's not like elements need that much support (If anything, more uses)

[reef sail]

And the existent activation cards

[marsh spear]

Yup

Honestly the 4 graspers are fascinating

[reef sail]

Let’s just replace unseen with something good

[marsh spear]

Wheeeze

I was eventually convinced of the niche usefulness of Unseen

[nova oar]

There is no niche usage what

[reef sail]

Niche usage of greater chaos trials giving it to me along with huntress on non magick weapons

[marsh spear]

I watched a high fear player explaining why it was useful

Magick reliant weapon with no guarantee of early Gain

Or something
IT MADE SENSE OK???

[bitter stirrup]

I've seen some good players start Unseen on Eos

[whole remnant]

Eos the myth the legend

the really cool Omega special torch

[real scarab]

I used Unseen in my eos dream dive run, was pretty good

[marsh spear]

See?
Such effect is better to have just in case

[nova oar]

Never worth the grasp

outside of 62+ eos maybe

[rugged nymph]

hi