h2-discussion

[willow fog]

Void lol

Void may as well unplug my controller

[hushed cloak]

Void is where boons can't be reoffered yeah?

[willow fog]

No, 0 grasp

[craggy totem]

No

[hushed cloak]

Ohhhh

[craggy totem]

It's very bad. Denial is nothin.

[willow fog]

Its that bad

Denial is mildly annoying

I already have an 8 fear loadout that plays like a 0 fear loadout

[craggy totem]

Denial can even help you out sometimes if you are gunning for only some specific boons on a god

[willow fog]

Timer 1, frenzy 1, hubris, and the other region enemy one

[hushed cloak]

Denial made me mad ngl, I took two Apollo boons and all of a sudden I'm locked out of exceptional talent

[willow fog]

In H1 I had to do mental gymnastics

[hushed cloak]

<@&456908176877551658> SIC EM

[chilly arrow]

why is hades 2 so much harder than hades 1 for me lol I only got to chronos once and its been almost 30 nights smh.

[willow fog]

Its got a harsher start

But once you even things out its much easier to get OP

[nova oar]

More mechanics to learn, mel is weaker at the start

[craggy totem]

she's shorter, so it takes longer for her to condense all the requisite killing power down to her size

[chilly arrow]

yea definitely noticed that its fun though. I just wish there wasn't so many different rewards i just want my boons lol

[craggy totem]

The other rewards will help you get stronger!

[nova oar]

If you get more boons the game would be too easy

[chilly arrow]

thats true

i'm just being salty lol

[nova oar]

If you want we can help with arcana and builds

[chilly arrow]

I'm gonna at least beat chronos once before trying to optimize builds

[nova oar]

Fair enough

[nova oar]

You gonna try surface as well?

[chilly arrow]

yea definitely

[timid hatch]

Man, it seems like like every time I think "whoa am I actually going to to way better here than I expect" my performance immediately drops precipitously. For a moment I thought I might actually beat VoR Eris (at 32 Fear!) with no DDs lost and then I lost three, heh. Though did get through

[nova oar]

Overconfidence, is a flimsy shield

[timid hatch]

Flimsy, doubtful, wondering pseudoconfidence even more so, heh

[chilly arrow]

my goal is to beat chronos before this weekend ends

[nova oar]

You got this

[willow fog]

Theres a card btw that converts minor rewards to major

[crude dragon]

You know the Ancestor quote

[timid hatch]

Ancestor?

[crude dragon]

"Overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer"

[crude dragon]

The narrator from Darkest Dungeon

[timid hatch]

Ohh

[jolly hound]

Perhaps you are too committed to hades 1 muscle memory and aren’t using your cast and sprint to the extent this game asks of you to be good

[willow fog]

Cast is kind of non negotiable

Even without damage the slowdown is that good

[chilly arrow]

Thats a good point I am trying to play it like hades instead of hades 2 let me try using the sprint and cast more

[reef sail]

Learn to use the cast defensively so you can start ruining runs by taking ill advised throw casts

[willow fog]

Also you only ever get 1 dash

[crude dragon]

One of several reasons the ranged casts suck

[reef sail]

They feel so good on frenzy0

And then everything changes

[willow fog]

Most of the time my cast is the panic button

There arent many bosses where id rather have a ranged cast at tbh

[reef sail]

Pom? GOLD!

[rotund lintel]

i mean cast increases youre damage even if its by a little

[wheat stream]

I just took Athena dash and said your brothers favorite i love this so much

[hushed cloak]

ngl putting 76 hours into h2, playing h1 again is just such a foreign experience

like this and sts2 have taught me that roguelike sequels just make the ogs pale in comparison (not to say h1 is bad by any means, h2 is just that good )

[reef sail]

Guess taking the knuckle bones to Scylla for prophecy while on my first time trying vor2 was a mistake

Didn’t fire the prophecy convo

[candid nimbus]

Same, I went back to Hades 1 for a while and while, yeah, it's great, I like Hades 2 way more

[hushed cloak]

fr, the combat and build progression is just so much more satisfying here

devs outdid themselves

[crude dragon]

TBF, there's worse Keepsakes to take to that bullet hell

[willow fog]

You also start off way weaker in H2

So progression is more rewarding

[craggy totem]

and Fresh File is more nerve wracking to watch LOL

[wheat stream]

Charon decided to never have a bad aspect and i love him for that

[willow fog]

True

[hushed cloak]

charon had an aspect in h1?

[craggy totem]

He did not

[nova oar]

Chiron

[craggy totem]

Illusion might be thinking of-- yeah

[hushed cloak]

lmao

[crude dragon]

The Bow Aspect was Chiron

[wheat stream]

Oh right

[nova oar]

Shaw

[craggy totem]

Chiron's the healer, Charon's the ferryman

[wheat stream]

I always said it the same way so i missed it up

[crude dragon]

The Centaur who taught Achilles how to fight

[nova oar]

And percy jackson

[proud swift]

Hegale

[wheat stream]

Guess i dont know my aspects

[nova oar]

garamas

[wheat stream]

I played so much hades1 but i kinda always sticked to my favorite builds so im trying in this game to play everything

[nova oar]

ge guuud

[wheat stream]

I love playing hangover

[nova oar]

You'll like hestia then

[wheat stream]

Its also why i love playing scorch builds

[wheat stream]

I love ms never gives a bad boon

[nova oar]

Ong

[reef sail]

Highly flammable 😔

Then again nothing is truly bad from her as long as you have pressure cooker

[craggy totem]

At least it's not Reckless Abandon

[wheat stream]

Give me snuffed candle give me flash fry give cardio gain she is so good

[nova oar]

Pyro my goat

[hushed cloak]

hestia my goat...

[wheat stream]

I also have recently tried born gain and my god i slept on it too long

[reef sail]

It’s very good

[craggy totem]

Flood is also better than it sounds, icymi

[reef sail]

Except for nyx coat omega dash which apparently doesn’t trigger it

[nova oar]

wat?

[craggy totem]

What are you whatting me about

[wheat stream]

I like it when i get a high rarity but thats it really

[nova oar]

That initialism

[craggy totem]

Oh! In Case You Missed It

[nova oar]

Ah

[reef sail]

Flood gain worries me

[craggy totem]

The description isn't very clear so newer players often don't understand how it works, I am too sleepy to do the full spiel but

it's better than it sounds

[reef sail]

what if I dump all my magick during that 2 second gap

Then I will be sad

[wheat stream]

It is but from what i understand he just refunds magick when the timer ends

[crude dragon]

It'll refill back to whatever your most expensive Omega costs

[crude dragon]

Nope, that isn't how it works at all

[wheat stream]

Damn so i cant even get my boons right?

[reef sail]

Fr uninstall

Right now

[crude dragon]

Flood Gain starts with that free Omega, and then that activates Magic Flood. During Flood, you essentially have unlimited MP, and then once Flood ends, you have an 8-second cooldown (which can be reduced by Seismic Servo)

[nova oar]

I have 400 hours and I still don't really understand it

[crude dragon]

It's also worth noting that unlike Unseen or Glamour Gain, Flood Gain's regen is not interrupted by channeling

[wheat stream]

So like when does one use tough gain? And why does hephaestus want me to get hit?

[hushed cloak]

you use tough gain when you dont want to use magic at all, ever

[wheat stream]

Oh that makes sense

[red fox]

When you dgaf about gain and other 2 choice you don't want

[crude dragon]

You use it in conjunction with the Hera/Hephaestus Duo on a magickless Aspect, otherwise it is a genuine detriment to the run

[red fox]

Brave face tough gain is funny tho

[wheat stream]

Wait that’s so smart

I never thought of that

[crude dragon]

Especially since they refuse to let you pom it by normal means

[reef sail]

You use it when you want to go hitless and be sad that you ran out of magick

Buff tough gain to fire on resists

[wheat stream]

Im still so mad from learning you cant pom hephaestus blasts when they reach 2secs

[hushed cloak]

can you imagine? aspect of persephone, jpom, take half damage from basically all sources of relevant damage forever

[crude dragon]

Eh, that's honestly for the best

[buoyant matrix]

and what, make them 1 or 0 seconds? lol

[wheat stream]

Cause I learned that after using some rerolls

[buoyant matrix]

way too strong

[wheat stream]

I think its the right thing i just hate that i wasted my rerolls to pom it

[buoyant matrix]

you can make them 1.5 seconds with the heph poseidon duo

[crude dragon]

I'd be really annoyed if you were able to waste poms with no benefit

[buoyant matrix]

ah, well you live an learn, it's a roguelike after all

[wheat stream]

Honestly its just so fun hearing the blast sound

[buoyant matrix]

2 second blasts with hestia heph and poseidon heph duo 🤑

[wheat stream]

Its my favorite part about playing hephaestus build

[wheat stream]

Exactly

Scylla wishes she was as good at music

[reef sail]

Clang

[willow fog]

Circe Hep cast is funny too

[hushed cloak]

theoretically blinding rush w heph apollo duo too

[willow fog]

I love blasts tbh

[buoyant matrix]

may as well force demeter to get cryo pounder too

[reef sail]

So anyway I started blasting - Mel, probably

[hushed cloak]

peak

[willow fog]

I actually prefer demeter attack on one weapon, guess which

[reef sail]

Axe

[willow fog]

Bingo, nergal axe

[reef sail]

How did I guess

[willow fog]

Its like the only wep that wants it lmao

But yeah

[reef sail]

I mean dem strike is viable on plenty of weapons

It’s a curse after all

[willow fog]

Its viable but its got better synergy on nergal axe imo

Cuz you wanna hit em lots way more than hitting them hard

[wheat stream]

I take demeter special when i play aspect of charon

[willow fog]

I love the facetank bs it can pull

[reef sail]

I miss the uhhh

[willow fog]

I havent tried charon yet tbh, but it seems powerful

Q cast on demand

[reef sail]

Don’t remember what keepsake it was but the one that they turned into a well item

[wheat stream]

Its also my second curse cause i use apollo cast

[reef sail]

Shackle. Shackle would be so funny on Charon

[willow fog]

Shackle is what again

[wheat stream]

What is that?

[willow fog]

Also that medea skull is hilarious

[reef sail]

Attack and special with no boon do 200% extra damage

[willow fog]

Like the fallout 4 laser musket

[reef sail]

They turned it into a well item here

[hushed cloak]

2x on unbooned attacks, p sure

keepsake from hades 1

[willow fog]

Is it even good

[reef sail]

Probably not

[willow fog]

200% damage boonless feels not just eh but hard to upkeep

[reef sail]

Here, that is

[willow fog]

Lot of forced boons

[reef sail]

In h1 it was very funny and silly for certain aspects

[wheat stream]

Ohhhhh the hades1 keepsake from bouldar man i for some reason have blocked out his name from my mind

[willow fog]

Sisyphus moment

One most imagine sisyphus bulking

[wheat stream]

Oh right sisyphus

[hushed cloak]

ngl with jpom its really easy to get an attack / special boon with 100%+ on it

[wheat stream]

Also i realized yesterday you find hades in his room

[willow fog]

I love that sisyphus is the only call ally who doesnt need hades permission to go hard

[willow fog]

He talks about sisyphus leaving him his boulder too lol

[wheat stream]

Thats amazing lmao

[buoyant matrix]

Hecate's old keepsake

it's now mist veil in charon wells

[wheat stream]

I also finally got calling card after getting beat up by ||zag|| like father like son i guess

[reef sail]

Nope

I’m talking about a h1 keepsake that they turned into a well item here. Something of Danaid is the well item here, Shattered Shackle was the h1 keepsake

[buoyant matrix]

danaid dagger

[reef sail]

Yer

[willow fog]

Its bad sadly

[buoyant matrix]

i used it for champion of elysium speedrun

[buoyant matrix]

NUH UH

[willow fog]

That means no origination btw

[craggy totem]

? It's not bad, it's just limited use

[reef sail]

Hardly

[buoyant matrix]

cast and sprint

[willow fog]

How can you get boonless origination?

[craggy totem]

Aphro and Apollo aren't giving you curses on strike/flourish either

[nova oar]

Just cause it's situational doesn't make it bad

[craggy totem]

It doesn't require no boons

[reef sail]

You have 4 other cores

[craggy totem]

It requires no strike or no special

[willow fog]

Ohh, well thats way better then

In h1 wasnt it no boon?

[buoyant matrix]

nope, exact same

[reef sail]

If your strike is boonless then it gets the benefit, or if your special is, or if both are they both do

[buoyant matrix]

specifically just attack and special

[wheat stream]

My favorite hades2 room is when you enter olympus and get the one singular guy there that’s my favorite character i wish to give him nectar

[willow fog]

Thats power btw no?

So it scales crit?

[craggy totem]

IDK about H1 but 1) it's a percent bonus, not a +power bonus, and 2) % bonuses still get scaled by crit

[reef sail]

It should scale with crit ye

[willow fog]

That has potential with a crit build

[reef sail]

It was funni in h1 with nemesis sword

[willow fog]

Why so

[reef sail]

Because nemesis sword had built in crits

[willow fog]

Random aside but I love how differently the other aspect owners view zag's borrowing their stuff

[reef sail]

In h1 the only reasonable sources of crit that could affect your attack were attack boons

So shackle obv not compatible with that

[willow fog]

Nem kinda gently asks if Zag wants it back, while Eris throws a small tantrum

[reef sail]

But nemesis got a crit bonus for using special

That applied to the attack

[willow fog]

I remember that yeah

I loved nem sword, but didnt rly like swords

[reef sail]

Yeah sword had a few issues to be sure

[willow fog]

I usually ran chiron bow or zagrail

I suspect zag rail experience was why I found eris so easy

Then again eris is the closest H2 gets to a free boss

[wheat stream]

Also excalibur was fun with 0 boons

I did a lot of 0 boons runs cause they were really fun

[wheat stream]

You mean with VOR? Cause without hecate is way too easy

[willow fog]

Without yeah, tbf hecate at least makes you earn it from the start

Pretty sure eris has never beat me, even on my first attempt

[reef sail]

Eris was my frenzy pain point

Mostly gotten over that now but man

[hushed cloak]

frenzy eris should be illegal

[willow fog]

How bad is she

[hushed cloak]

hate that mf

[reef sail]

I mean

She’s just eris but now a mistake means you eat 5 rockets to the face over and over

Or you get machine gunned 10 times

[wheat stream]

I locked in for my first eris i was so mad from her giving me debuffs before

[reef sail]

I had a horrible derusting period from not playing h1 in a while when I started and never even saw her debuff

Erebus was pushing my stuff

[willow fog]

Turns out all eris needed was a turning radius

[willow fog]

Debuff is a badge of honor tho

It means you played so well the game had to slow your ass down

[wheat stream]

It was fun when i you get it for the first time but 3 times in tartarus is insane

[willow fog]

Im an H1 vet and I never got it

[hushed cloak]

i think i got an eris debuff on my first night

[willow fog]

Whats the condition for the eris debuff

[hushed cloak]

i was so confused

[wheat stream]

I played hades1 for a week before getting the game(as in coming back i had like a 1000 hours in hades1)

[willow fog]

Oh lol, I spent like 3 nights just diving for moss

Might be why I had no eris debuff

[wheat stream]

Me too i wanted to see how far i can get in my first run so i was locked in

[nova oar]

She appears in the uw for the first 10 runs

To mke progression harder

[willow fog]

Oh lol, she debuffs you in underworld?

[reef sail]

But only if you get so far, we’re wondering how far is the trigger

[wheat stream]

Its really fun though it makes fresh saves feel hard

[reef sail]

Like the furthest I got in my first 10 nights was Scylla

And i never got the debuff

[wheat stream]

I got it only once in every region but 3 times in tartarus

[hushed cloak]

oh, what? she showed up at the start of oceanus for me

[reef sail]

I imagine the threshold changes each night

Or each few nights

[proud swift]

She appears for the first 10 nights but progressively further into the underworld depending on how many nights, and if your health is too low after beating a boss she will not appear at all.

[reef sail]

Yay someone has answers

[wheat stream]

Yeah she also showed up the run after for me in fields

[wheat stream]

That makes sense thanks for clarifying

I kinda thought she only appears once per region except tartarus guess i was wrong

[proud swift]

I believe its if you beat the boss and drink from the fountain and you're still below half health she doesn't appear, but I may be wrong.

[wheat stream]

She also has dialogue about it if you meet her after

[willow fog]

I got packed up by hecate on my first run

Guess that makes sense how I never got eris'd

I got normal progression, wherein bosses fold me in half until my 2nd run at them

[wheat stream]

I was pretty mad at it but it makes sense you are expected to die its part of the progression it should be easy to clear

[proud swift]

She also gives you good rewards for being skilled enough to meet her.

[wheat stream]

She does?

I don’t remember that she only gives me trash

[willow fog]

The only real bottleneck is nectar I think

[reef sail]

I got packed up by that spammy mf miniboss my second run, first run I died to a worm

[willow fog]

The prophecies are so stingy about early nectar

[reef sail]

Or one of those banshees bc I didn’t know to use cast all the time

[willow fog]

The spitter worm

Honestly those banshees are horrible

I can no hit region 4 rooms but those banshees always chip me

[wheat stream]

I lost my first run to the sword fishes things in oceanus

[willow fog]

The other cast check

[proud swift]

According to the wiki she gives ash in oceanus, psyche in fields, and bones in tartarus. Wiki isn't super reliable but it sounds right to me.

[wheat stream]

Maybe its me not remembering

I just remember her telling me this is for my own good

[willow fog]

Funny thing is her debuffs can still be played around

You can get a lot of free hits from barriers

I think you can get 1 off demeter, 3 off hermes dash boon, and hep armor

[wheat stream]

I thought demeter wasn’t available first run no?

I only remember apollo

[willow fog]

She is iirc, just not run 1

Still, thats up to 3 barriers per room

And armor

[wheat stream]

Oh right you can get eris after the first run i forgot lmao

[willow fog]

High fear folk use antlers at region 4

And they abuse the hell out of barrier stacking

[wheat stream]

I got pretty far when i got her after oceanus made it up to Cerberus for the first time and the dog bit me

[willow fog]

Cerb is strong early on

[wheat stream]

Yeah cause i didn’t really you actually can sprint

Treated it like a dash the whole time

[willow fog]

Fair enough, been there

[wheat stream]

Genuine question how do i use gemstones in hades2?

[nova oar]

Kudos

[wheat stream]

Aight thanks

[reef sail]

You cash them in for kudos at the broker

[mystic ruin]

I got it like 4 times I think out of 7-8 runs to kill Chronos for the first time

I got one of those after I had reached Chronos so I don't think it has to do with how far into a run you get or anything

And I only ever got her on mourning fields and tartarus

[near basin]

Would it be a bit unusual to have poseidon waves as top damage source by a good margin on a victory? I think because I go poseidon, + froth, + legendary King tide, it must have just been clapping

I never really use poseidon too much but wow it was OP this run

[broken creek]

any run where pos tends to be the best pick his waves are gonna make up most of your damage

which like knives, coat both love pos

[warm portal]

are there any hints to find the rest of the hidden aspects? i wanna find them all blind but ive only even gotten the quest for the axe so far

[nova oar]

You need to make sure you're paying attention to the other aspects

[reef sail]

It’s not unusual

[warm portal]

wdym? like just upgrading them? i think i have all of the normal ones unlocked and ive been upgrading as i go just to have something to do

or is it something more specific like talking to certain npcs with the weapons

[reef sail]

You get the phrases from certain npcs

[nova oar]

Do you want me to just list the steps out

[warm portal]

i don’t want spoilers which is why i’m asking, but this ^ did help a bit actually

[reef sail]

You won’t ever get the phrases unless that weapon qualifies for a hidden aspect tho

[nova oar]

There are other requirements before they will give you the dialogue

[reef sail]

Just show some dedication to the weapon

This is hard to hint at tbh

I liked h1’s system more here

[nova oar]

It was alot worse tho

[reef sail]

The conversation side of it yeah

But the “showing dedication to the weapon” part was more forgiving imo

All of them being gated behind the first one was awkward too

Forgot about that part

[buoyant matrix]

@nova oar wdym hera isn't a surface unlock anymore

did it change in patch 2

[nova oar]

I had her in the first few runs of a fresh file

[honest venture]

183k CAST DAMAGE

Circe is insane

[radiant ore]

hey guys i keep getting these moments in game where the characters greet each other then the screen goes dark and the characters make these little noises that sound like mm or something or little giggles
whats going on there?

[nova oar]

Shrex

Depends on the interaction tho

[radiant ore]

he is not in the game unfortunately

[radiant ore]

especially if zeus cast and you do kings ransom AND THEN echo

to get a massive level up

[honest venture]

What's Kings Ransom?

Oh, the duo boon.

Yeah, that's pretty nutty when I used it in the chaos trial.

But I really Hostile Environment. It may be basic, but the damage skyrockets even without it.

[glass cloud]

shrek's not on the game?

next you gonna tell me i can't romance scylla 😔

[nova oar]

You can't

[glass cloud]

[slim pike]

She'll write a love song for you though

[strong rapids]

a fresh file I did in the most recent patch I just saw her for the first time like 20 runs in

like yesterday

and got some dialogue about her finally lending her help or whatever. I don't think they changed it

[desert thistle]

ugh i don’t think 50+ fear is my thing i can’t get a run going

it’s definitely a skill issue but it’s just not fun to me

[weary moon]

zamn no gifs

uhhh fma roy mustang crying gif bad day for rain

[strong rapids]

i totally agree, hordes and wards and return just makes everything a slog

[lean bronze]

id say menace
It adds extra risk to encounters, meaning you cant focus on damage easily

[desert thistle]

yea it’s those vows and grit that makes it tedious

[lean bronze]

hordes and grit add on top of that

[desert thistle]

40 fear is my happy place i think

[prisma monolith]

35 for me

[harsh bluff]

https://snipboard.io/enGtPC.jpg

i don't have anyone to dm for images

so i guess snip board will do

[willow fog]

Damn rivals hecate brutalized me

[runic zodiac]

whats the gameplay loop with nyx

[halcyon rain]

get nightspawn, spam special (or attack)

Poseidon special is your best friend

[runic zodiac]

the special is better than attack?

also is it good at just rank 2 and what hammers are priority

[pine flume]

do you get anything for ranking up the bartender ghost guy fully

[harsh bluff]

https://kommodo.ai/i/FFmSPEuSvcOoiyPkSmIY i don't get where i am supposed to go

wait i got it

[nova oar]

[mortal warren]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1280799326037217390/1471523410579423416/4x.avif

wow.

[harsh bluff]

https://kommodo.ai/i/N1b6E3l6MDlDiBuMIM7Y this looks interesting

[nova oar]

No embeds in this channel

[nova oar]

That's your arcana, one of the ways you get permanently stronger

[harsh bluff]

hmm yea

guess i do need more ash to unlock these

https://kommodo.ai/i/USpyBXlMNYqLkpQTH3hG what does casts mean?

[nova oar]

Your cast, the big glowing circle on the ground

[harsh bluff]

hmmmm

i think ill get furies first then

meaning ppl closer get damaged more

[nova oar]

As long as they're in your cast first

[harsh bluff]

ill just try not to take any damage

https://kommodo.ai/i/0TmoQ38jCnr5zn7Vdt2B i don't see any glowing crcle yet

but i assume ill see it later

https://kommodo.ai/i/2FS3YRwuG2W91qFLCymH

[harsh bluff]

these are my weapons... what's good here?

[nova oar]

You need to press a button to drop the cast

[nova oar]

All weapons are good

[harsh bluff]

ohh q

[harsh bluff]

interesting

is it better to play this game with a dpad or keyboard?

[nova oar]

Doesnt matter

[willow fog]

Any tips for vow hecate

[harsh bluff]

https://kommodo.ai/i/XpZOd6vyIig2OVmsYXWw boons of demeter

[desert verge]

you mean rival hecate?

[jolly hound]

you need to dash through the sheep ball you cant outrun it

[desert verge]

i feel like rat ball is slower

[jolly hound]

relative to not rivals hecate it's way faster

[desert verge]

or i just happened to have apollo boost and manage to outrun it

[willow fog]

Yeah her, she beat the tar out of me

First time I lost a death defiance in the past 8 or so runs

[bitter stirrup]

The ball is incredibly random, sometimes it splits almost perpendicularly and you have to be ready for whatever it looks like, I sure am not

[willow fog]

Shes reminding me so much of those asophdel witch bullet hells in H1

[desert verge]

try to avoid center and fight closer to sides where her clones cant reach you

[willow fog]

Thanks, thats a start

Definitely rushed mid like the normal version

[jolly hound]

yeah you can outrun it with a bunch of speed upgrades but I’m not counting on that

Demeter gusts also work to slow it down considerably

[willow fog]

Im surprised that works

[bitter stirrup]

Ways to identify "the real one":

• if her feet are moving, it's probably the real one
• certain curses help indicate the real one, but some curses also appear on the clones I think
• if two are clumped together, then the other one is likely the real one
• if two are doing the same move, then the other one is likely the real one
• if you see one of them walk, that is the real one

[willow fog]

I guess the ball is an entity and not a projectile

[willow fog]

Appreciated, my main issue tho is mostly the bullet hell

Hecate's scattershots just seem very abrupt

[bitter stirrup]

You will have to time dashes through many attacks like the big torch projectiles and Wolf Howl

[desert verge]

just backstab her

[bitter stirrup]

She has many different midphase patterns too

[willow fog]

So dash through is the play?

[bitter stirrup]

Dash through is the play for most boss attacks tbh

[desert verge]

it is often a good chance to hit

while she is busy with animation u dash close and do a damage

[willow fog]

I know that, but hecate is firing a screensaver at me

Wasnt sure if I was meant to book it like rivals chronos

[desert verge]

what

[willow fog]

Lotta projectiles

[desert verge]

yeah but her clones is stationary

and you can always keep distance

[willow fog]

Oh so her clones are more like hard map hazards

[nova oar]

With or without frenzy

[willow fog]

With frenzy

[nova oar]

She's fairly free to backstab/run around as long as she's not doing darkside

Diagonal dash when the sheep ball breaks into 3

[willow fog]

Got it, thankss

[nova oar]

Clones will never move, use darkside, or speak, sound will always come from hecate, and the clone furthest from you is typically the real hec

Apparently sound is the best way to tell but I never play with sound

[desert verge]

i think there is also a speaking buble above her

or something like that

[buoyant matrix]

all clones get that too

[desert verge]

hmmm ok

[sterile rose]

If you inflict a status I think the real Hecate is the only one that shows it

At least I noticed that with ||scorn|| the other day

[buoyant matrix]

some status effects cleanse upon teleporting

scorn and wounds are most reliable to find her

[crude dragon]

Does Weak only apply to the real Hecate, or can the clones also get Weak?

[willow fog]

Also hilariously either the cat knows the real hecate or it remembers where the hecate it was attacking was

I remember she actually had a voice line complaining about it

[willow fog]

Only real one I think

They werent popping the status when I should have passive weakened them

[merry whale]

iirc clones can

could be wrong but i remember sometimes trying to find the real hecate and getting trolled by weak indicator

[limpid stream]

I love born strike anubis thank you to whoever here gave me the idea yesterday

[bitter stirrup]

Daze and Blitz for sure also stay on clones

[crude dragon]

Sworn Strike on Anubis?

On the Special, sure, but on the Attack?

[craggy totem]

Yeah, Hitch theory

The idea is that it's getting amplified across all of the dudes in the AOE, as if you were constantly casting smaller Engagement Rings

[limpid stream]

Doesnt work great on bosses, nearly wiped at VOR Hecate

[craggy totem]

Yeah, you'll probably need a beefy special to go with it for bossing haha

[prisma monolith]

melinoe on h1 run mod 1.0 is out and it looks epic

[craggy totem]

Greek god style sibling rivalry be like "not only am I gonna whup yer ass, I am gonna be better at your job than you"

[willow fog]

Damn, frenzy makes normal surface feel glacial

Frenzy typhon was a legit threat

[buoyant matrix]

raijy did anoobis 67 and had hitch on both attack and special

and if it works in max fear then it's unfortunately very viable 😂

[jolly wing]

Which is more important if you want to get Beast Treats, though you are low on Golden Apples?

• 1 Beast Treat
• 1 Stardust

[crude dragon]

I personally go out of my way for Nectar

[craggy totem]

Why unfortunately? :P

[willow fog]

Nectar is scarce

[tranquil wren]

nectar is much more available than beast treats

[jolly wing]

Oh, my brain isn’t working.

I have plenty of Nectar.

It’s a bummer Aphrodite hasn’t given me Nectar recipe despite that I’m on night 31 with 2 Golden Apples.

[tranquil wren]

you need to gift a bunch of people nectar iirc

[buoyant matrix]

breaks the meta

[glass cloud]

chat what's the most gamebreaking duo of gods

[craggy totem]

💪 😎 😜 ✨ ayoweia the meta can handre it

[glass cloud]

like top S. top tier

[unkempt zodiac]

Well I mean the game isn't THAT badly balanced

It's mostly weapon dependent. I see zeus+Hera thrown around a lot tho

[craggy totem]

There are very strong gods (the royal couple generally speaking, various others more build-specifically), but I don't think any of them break the game

Anyway, Cherished Heirloom ;D

[buoyant matrix]

the ransoms, chairloom, heinous affront

[glass cloud]

i usually see hera being mentioned as one of the strongest to have on a build

[craggy totem]

She's strong and the most globally applicable

But she isn't gonna carry your build in a gamebreaking way

[unkempt zodiac]

Hera has great crowd control, doesn't do much on bosses (besides summon control) but is a status for orig and good %

[glass cloud]

i'm asking because i want to go for 100% achievments and wanted to have a strong set in mind for these 😔

[craggy totem]

You don't need to have an Optimal Meta Single One Bestest Build to 100% achievements

[unkempt zodiac]

100% achievements isn't actually that hard compared to the game normally

[craggy totem]

I got 100% achievements and I was running extremely non-meta stuff through my entire main playthrough

[unkempt zodiac]

A lot of the slowest achievements are random npc stories

[unkempt zodiac]

Ye

[craggy totem]

(No rerolls even before I got access to postgame keepsakes, Silk Sash for first two regions, etc.)

One of the harder achievements that isn't just about NPC storylines is objectively quite difficult for normal players, but also, you don't get to pick your build in that one anyway

[unkempt zodiac]

If you reeeeeeally want to use something braindead powerful I'd probably suggest picking one of the easily powerful aspects like Charon or eos

Or circe which might be the best aspect at low ranks

[runic zodiac]

is the use of fish to sell them

[crude dragon]

Yep

[raven snow]

Where do I get ||pet costumes|| I was told I needed to unlock them by talking to one of the witches, and I did that, but not sure what to do after.

[proper seal]

you need to get treats, you can make them in the cauldron or they can be bought in the charon shop in Erebus

[reef sail]

Circe eventually gives you the incantation recipe, not sure what triggers the conversation but since you can only apply them to maxed pets I assume you need at least one pet maxed out with treats

[rotund lintel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1464786675375800391/1500581754686410883/Screenshot_2026-05-03_133600.png?ex=69f8f529&is=69f7a3a9&hm=a3f8d0f1e0e141220d52816e994f5d35cf728e3b625d788bd75664aafbcd4485&

alr guys which one

[fathom lake]

Aphro

[rotund lintel]

alr

[fathom lake]

HEra its easier to dodge

[reef sail]

I find it a lot easier to dodge aphro

[rotund lintel]

so which one

[reef sail]

Those fine lines are a mess

[fathom lake]

Yeah but aphro hitd HARD

[rotund lintel]

ok were js gonna flip a coin

ok its aphro

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1464786675375800391/1500585633935003889/Screenshot_2026-05-03_135125.png?ex=69f8f8c6&is=69f7a746&hm=7a1ca196915a2e8eb1a15e6888973b2d371e308837755c521f01f2053f221755&

https://klipy.com/gifs/i-just-hit-the-jackpot-meme--k01KQQPBWV118HQ4WKMDYYN1H2T

[bronze otter]

Just beat the game TIME BELONGS TO US IS SO PEAK

I thought when Zagreus said “That’s it I’m stabbing you” that Chronos was done 😭

[fathom lake]

this + Though gain goes hard

[rotund lintel]

guys im in tart hera or zues

[fathom lake]

Trail again?

[rotund lintel]

ye[

[fathom lake]

trial*

[rotund lintel]

yes

[fathom lake]

Hmmmmmmm
Hera

[rotund lintel]

mkay

really good choice omg

i got one that gives me 5 of each elemnt things and i have it to where the more elemts i have the more dodge chance i have\

[fathom lake]

Hera Legendary?

Yeah thats cool

Unless you are talking about the Chaos boon

That helps a lot in infusions where you need a lot of different elements

[rotund lintel]

nah

bout to fight chorons though

gonna cook him

[fathom lake]

Les gooo

[rotund lintel]

hera or aphro

its not a trial

i can buy one of em from charon

[fathom lake]

What Build?

[rotund lintel]

im using aspect of thantos

and im mainly using a hera build

[fathom lake]

Spiritual Affirmation yet?

[rotund lintel]

let me check

[fathom lake]

Aphro its better for your dodge chance too

[rotund lintel]

no

[fathom lake]

Id say Aphro

[rotund lintel]

alr

i got a duo boon from her...

alr well time to cook chronos give me a sec

2nd phase

okay theres go chorons

[uncut hill]

did they remove the chronos not letting you pause thing I haven't played since early access\

[tranquil wren]

only in rivals

in regular he just insults you

[uncut hill]

icic

[fathom lake]

Lmfao

Ragebaiting grandpa

[eager gust]

u cant pause rivals chronos?

[tranquil wren]

there's an incantation to remove that ability of his

[proud swift]

"Fine whatever I guess you can pause, I didn't want to fight you right now anyways!"

⬆️ Liar grandpa ⬆️

[livid halo]

Oh my god ||my brother|| is kicking my teeth in. Dude's the real boss, doesn't help that every time I fight him I basically just picked up some chaos garbage, too.

[reef sail]

He do be that way

[torn wind]

The incantation to do it is one of the hidden things that was at the very end of me getting true 100%

[jolly wing]

What is Stardust mainly used for?

I have 7

[jolly crescent]

Idk if this is a huge flex, but I beat Typhon on my first attempt 😎

[strong rapids]

i dont remember the unlock requirements, does the incantation only show up after youve tried to pause during the fight or something?

[crude dragon]

Cooking pet treats

[reef sail]

It’s used for filling in whatever gifts/pet treats/stardust you need most

But treats are the only one without other easy sources

Which is why you’ll hear people repeatedly suggest to use them on those first

[jolly wing]

I have 7 Star Dust atm. Should I continue to hunt for them?

Raki is already maxed out.

[reef sail]

You’ll want to do all the trials at some point but it’s no rush really

[zealous remnant]

Question

I can upgrade and form my familiars exept the frog. What is going on with him?

[reef sail]

Form needs them to be maxed

[zealous remnant]

Oh i might be out of treats maybe

Also i cant get hidden blades from Artemis. Ive almost maxed relation and i have all the other hidden weapons. Is it just rng or am i missing a step ?

[cunning laurel]

unlock both aspects and one be level 5 are the only conditions

[zealous remnant]

Must the level 5 be in that category ? Or can some other aspect be level 5?

[reef sail]

Same weapon

[zealous remnant]

Oh thats why. Thanks

[crude dragon]

Gotta decide which knife aspect to waste 5 Nightmare on

[subtle folio]

finally playing the game after years of owning it lol but are the cards the mirror equivalent?

because unless i unlock more there is severely less build customisation

thank you whoever that was but why was that message deleted?

[vernal plinth]

I forgot to put the spoiler blocker on

[subtle folio]

hardly seems like a spoiler but i see

[crude dragon]

It is, and there's 25 cards in total

[subtle folio]

damn the aphrodite art is certainly something holy

[crude dragon]

Would you believe she's actually wearing more clothes in this one?

[willow fog]

Yeah lol

||Dio|| is the one who got buffed

Someone shoved a watermelon down his speedo

[subtle folio]

i have seen Dionysus on the internet and he is really hot

[willow fog]

He is

[subtle folio]

i can see she has the ares eye paint from the first one

also charon's theme is so groovy i love it

[crude dragon]

I was talking about the greaves she's wearing, but also that

[reef sail]

Does flutter strike on eos measure from where you are or where the day breaker is?

[willow fog]

Like a soldier putting on socks

[red fox]

I believe it is where mel is

[reef sail]

That’s unfortunate

[timid hatch]

Mm, choices.

Now that I've beat 32 fear on both routes, I have the choice of staying with the same Fear for a while, lowering it to try to rush the testaments, increasing it in small increments, or increasing it in large increments (potentially jumping to 50)

Somehow I'm still interested in this game in the sense that it's become habitual enough to be a fallback when nothing really seems that interesting

[subtle folio]

cringe

[nova oar]

If you've only done 32 you probably would get very stuck on 50

[subtle folio]

silly automod swearing is part of my daily vocabulary

[chilly arrow]

smh wtf is that second stage of chronos I was so close to beating him

[timid hatch]

Oh I know, the automod sucks, I've lost long messages to it before and it doesn't even give you back the message to edit, heh

[subtle folio]

i didn't know there are the other titans in here too, i thought it would just be gods like the first game

[nova oar]

You get used to it

[subtle folio]

unless chaos is a titan i can't remember

that was their name right nyx's parent

[reef sail]

She’s a primordial like chaos

[subtle folio]

primordial thats it

[reef sail]

Whoops I meant nyx is a primordial as is chaos

[proud swift]

Big clock.

[reef sail]

There’s quite a few titans here

[chilly arrow]

I wasn't able to keep my goal of beating him this weekend but definitely this week i'm beating him.

[subtle folio]

Poseidon: "wait who"
lmao i love him

the dialogue where he says that Mel is the one to beat Chronos

oh wait yeah i saw a clip ages ago where someone paused in the chronos fight and then chronos broke the fourth wall and unpaused the game himself but is that real because thats so sick if so

[reef sail]

It’s real

But not on the standard fight

[proud swift]

This is real but in his normal battle he will not unpause the game but will still taunt the player.

[subtle folio]

thats so sick i love when games or media does that kind of thing

[night crypt]

I tried it today, he called me a luggard but still let me pause, what a kind man

[proud swift]

Kind grandfather graciously allows evil player to take bathroom break during fight to the death.

[timid hatch]

Are there general recommendations as to how to progress through the Fear rankings?

[nova oar]

So many noobs and larpers complained they disabled it

[proud swift]

32 to 40 should be a lot more reasonable to do.

[nova oar]

If you give me the fear you want to do i'll give you the optimal loadout for it

[proud swift]

Or perhaps 32 to 36 with the added vow being rivals 4 assuming you weren't using it already.

[timid hatch]

Uh... 40-42? Roughly halfway between 32 and 50?

I don't have Rivals 4 unlocked yet, need materials

[nova oar]

Did 40f all aspects with this setup (minus the menace) https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwzLDAsNSwyLDIsMiwwLDYsMCwyLDIsMTJd

This no rivals 4
https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwzLDIsNSwyLDIsMiwwLDYsMCwyLDIsOF0=

But if you want to play high fear, you need to learn time 3 frenzy 2 rivals 4

[timid hatch]

Good to know. First I need to get enough materials to unlock that (and Another Fate)

[nova oar]

Acceptance of another fate just lets you redo the story

[proud swift]

Isn't that return to a real possibility?

[nova oar]

Oh is acceptance the seed reroll?

[proud swift]

I think so

[timid hatch]

Yes.

[nova oar]

Getting too old for this

[halcyon rain]

"in my time we had to die to reset the seed"

[proud swift]

You should use the incantation then. ⌛⏳⌛

[reef sail]

Legit the worst part of h1

[coarse parrot]

Excuse me, I have a rather odd question. I am not sure if this is the correct channel, please do direct me if I am.

I am considering of buying a handheld for playing Hades II. I am more inclined towards an android handheld with emulator for Steam. As I find the other handhelds a bit much for my wallet. (I am from the South East Asia).

What would be a good recommendation that would suppport Hades II enough?
Thank you

[nova oar]

Steam deck

[foggy obsidian]

hi

[crude dragon]

Steam Deck would probably be the best choice if you can get your hands on one

[reef sail]

First time trying vow eris went a lot better than I expected

[tired iris]

Man they did Shiva dirty. The Great God, the Great Lord, the Supreme Lord, the Supreme Self, the Blessed One, the Lord, the Ruler, Lord of the Universe, Master of the Universe, Master of the World, Lord of the World, Lord of All Beings, Lord of Spirits, Master of Spirits, Lord of Animals, Lord of All Creatures... and god of bouncy rubber balls apparently

[nova oar]

It's an easier fight

[nova oar]

My favourite aspect :3

[tired iris]

I wish the hiden aspects weren't so damn goofy. I miss Excalibur and Lucifer

[harsh bluff]

https://kommodo.ai/i/PEzlzxF1yte0weToB79P more heart is better?

i guess so

[crude dragon]

Made with super special density

[hollow stratus]

aren't the discordant bell effects supposed to go away after unequipping the keepsake?

[cunning laurel]

no

its still mid tho

[hollow stratus]

oh thats weird im used to most other keepsakes no longer working after unequipping

[cunning laurel]

yea very few do

[tired iris]

A few do, and they change the way keepsakes impact the game completely. Some really awesome ones become available late in the game

[hollow stratus]

what keepsakes stay active for the entirety of a run after being used in one region?

[crude dragon]

Fate's Whim keepsakes, Embryo, Wheel, Hammer, Leaf, Pig, and technically Amulet

[harsh bluff]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046445654064513107/1500699286009020527/image.png?ex=69f9629f&is=69f8111f&hm=e375623803bf9666b89a4e2bc3e6bb57d225155653b72fa11c95e06c81aac811&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=2364&height=1486

oh it doesn't work here

[tired iris]

Wheel can be a lifesaver if you are using the hubris vow

[reef sail]

Coin purse

[tired iris]

Also, I really wish Shiva's silly bouncy balls distracted Cerberus during that boss fight

[crude dragon]

I pretend I do not see it

[reef sail]

Epic succ grievous is niice

[timid hatch]

Vow of Denial, Moros. Hard choice between Hereditary Bane and Fine Line...

Given just how expensive Fine Line is and how strong Hereditary Bane is maybe Hereditary Bane?

Though Fine Line would be a lot of extra damage too.

[crude dragon]

It's torches, you see Fine Line, you click Fine Line

[timid hatch]

Hmm, alright then

[crude dragon]

Especially if Poseidon is also in your pool so you get Ripple Effect on the table

[reef sail]

Fine line on moros can oom you pretty easy if you’re not careful

But… just be more careful (and get a good gain)

[jolly hound]

If you have the mana gain to keep up with it for sure. Hereditary bane is fantastic vs hordes of enemies but not gonna do that much vs bosses comparatively speaking

[tired iris]

Holy frick the aspect of Morrigan is good

[bitter stirrup]

THE Morrigan

[honest solar]

has anyone seen the hades 1 in hades 2 mod

is it good

[tired iris]

Alright, sure, their/her aspect is good enough I'm happy to learn what their deal is. Unlike Supay, who can stay forgotten in the underworld for all I care

[lean bronze]

@nova oar is there any build i can use that is more outrageous than what i sent in vic boasting?

[nova oar]

Same arcana, selene coat oattack only

No hex either

[unkempt zodiac]

I've played it a bit. It was a little jank when I did but it's mostly pretty faithful and what'd you'd want from it

[half path]

That doesn’t last til the next shop

[nova oar]

Yeah but the gold doesn't disappear if you don't use it

[half path]

Shhhhhhhhh 🤫

[tired iris]

All depends on whether you consider the effect to be "increases your gold" or "gives you gold (once)"

[half path]

Mine always disappears 🤷

Also why are there pots that take away coins 😭

Did they exist in hades 1????

[crude dragon]

Take away coins?

What?

[nova oar]

What?

[tired iris]

You are misreading the notification, they add coins

[half path]

Yeah, there’s like orange/brown pots that if you destroy them, take coins away

No I guarentee I didn’t misread them, they take away a large sum of coins. They most often (or is it only?) occur in the shop before poly

[crude dragon]

Those are the gold pots for Ephyra

[half path]

There was a time when I accidentally destroyed one bot and it put me below the price to buy something. That was very memorable

I’ll record the next one I find

But not today

[tired iris]

Bonus keepsakes -

Chlamshell Necklace (Scylla): Take -30/40/50% damage when struck from behind
Chew Toy (Cerberus): Every third hit has a 11/22/33% chance to hit three times
Oversized Bandana (Polyphemus): Field of view is 20% smaller but damage taken reduced by 10/15/20%
Eagle Feather (Prometheus): Once/twice/thrice per night, make the exact boons that will be available in the next rooms visible
Suspicious Eye (Typhon): Field of view is 10/15/20% bigger
Comfy Pillow (Hypnos): All enemies move and attack 3/6/10% slower

[half path]

They seem really cool (especially comfy pillow) Tho typhons seems kinda useless

[nova oar]

Fr

[crude dragon]

Don't forget Rank 4 keepsakes because of Cheirloom

[nova oar]

Seems more like arcana than keepsakes tbh, except for necklace and chew toy

[lean bronze]

bet

[crude dragon]

Field of view is 10/15/20/35% larger and you deal that much more damage to distant foes

[nova oar]

Could work

[tired iris]

Oh yeah, that would be nice

[half path]

[crude dragon]

Kinda like Orpheus(?) keepsake from the first game

[nova oar]

Take 50% damage from behind and deal 25% more backstab damage?

[buoyant matrix]

no that was Achilles

[buoyant matrix]

that was indeed Orpheus

[crude dragon]

Achilles was take less damage from the front and take more from behind, I thought

[buoyant matrix]

wait right

[buoyant matrix]

i think this just didn't exist

[crude dragon]

I think she's spitballing a way to improve that hypothetical Scylla keepsake

[nova oar]

I was talking about their scylla keepsake

[buoyant matrix]

ah

[timid hatch]

I wonder why I seem to be one of the only people who finds Rivals Eris legit harder than base Eris, heh. While Rivals Prometheus seems, shockingly, barely different or paradoxically easier despite no reason to be.

(like, Rivals Prometheus seems like would be a straight and big jump in difficulty but... nope?)

[crude dragon]

I mean, the danger of Unrivaled Prometheus has nothing to do with Prometheus himself

[buoyant matrix]

rivals eris is harder

people unlock her when they're much stronger than when they fought base eris

[timid hatch]

True, I just mean the actual battle

[timid hatch]

That's likely a lot to do with how she's regarded, yeah.

[proud swift]

Rivals Prometheus becomes extremely threatening the higher you push the fear because dealing with such a tanky boss in an already very long region with 5 minutes on the clock will absolutely end your runs.

[nova oar]

Plus alot of damage at pain 3

[willow fog]

Suspicious eye reminds me so much of disco elysium

[terse belfry]

So the last achievement I have for the game is Silk and Spitefulness and I have a question. Do I HAVE to go to Olympus to talk to Athena or can I just use her keepsake...?

[reef sail]

Lost 3 DDs to 32F rivals hec this is surely a good sign

[nova oar]

Have to be on olympus

[terse belfry]

are you sure? I just tried a couple times with her keepsake and I've had a few conversations abt Arachne

[nova oar]

Yes

You need to talk to her on olympus (with or without the keepsake) and she will tell you to bring the keepsake to arachne

[terse belfry]

So she just appeared on the third room in the underworld and is telling me to do exactly that

so... I think it doesn't matter

[nova oar]

Must have changed it 🤷‍♀️

[reef sail]

Hurray for another glorious statue

[lean bronze]

@nova oar nop too unfun cant do it

[nova oar]

Weak

[lean bronze]

[reef sail]

Does moros like Zeus attack or special more?

Guessing attack

[cunning laurel]

guess again

attack is pretty good but worse

[nova oar]

Special

[reef sail]

I second guessed myself and chose special anyway

[worldly mantle]

ocast

[summer elk]

Does anyone know if you can find NPC rooms during 1-biome chaos trials? I've been doing the Trial of Origin a few times hoping to find Arachne, but I'm not running into her, and I'm starting to wonder if she simply won't appear.

[nova oar]

No npc's in chaos trials

[limpid oar]

oh btw

welcome back luthien!

[nova oar]

What?

[limpid oar]

i havent seen you around here for a while, figured you had a break or something

[nova oar]

Yeah but i've been back for ages

[limpid oar]

Yeah but I never got to say welcome back, so I did now

[worldly mantle]

i have only ever known an sggcord with luthien in it

[nova oar]

:3

[summer elk]

Oof.

[prisma monolith]

Tbf arachne is the easiest one to restart, shes zone 1

Just make sure you dont restart and die instead

[rapid dagger]

[night veldt]

I slept so long on Charon's aspect, when it's so good

[full wing]

Everyday I wake up cursing Eris and her enhanced fight

[mystic ruin]

I've never really used staff- how should I build around it? There's no obvious gimmick or anything to it to play into unlike with the other weapons.

Talking about the Mel aspect specifically

[night veldt]

I'm with you on this one

[night veldt]

It's good for range, and has the strongest Omega attacks I think

[nova oar]

%damage on the special, spam dashstrike special

[nova oar]

No you ignore omegas on staff

[nova oar]

It's easier than normal eris what

[full wing]

Is it

[nova oar]

Yeah

For me anyway

[full wing]

For you anyway

[night veldt]

People say that, but it's not true

[nova oar]

You do know you can hit the bombs to blow them up right

[night veldt]

My friends also have said that Rival Eris is better, but irl her HP is greater, she's got more powerful minions, and there's no pillars to hide behind

People just mean that her behavior is more consistent in some ways as I understand it

[nova oar]

Arena is smaller, attacks are easier to dodge, and the bombs are a non issue as long as you can walk in a straight line

She also can't just attack you from offscreen

[night veldt]

The bombs are fine if you have a quick ranged option to detonate them

[nova oar]

Only problem weapon is coat

[night veldt]

But generally if they'd really made Rivals easier they'd patch it right away

[nova oar]

They didn't do it for h1, and they won't do it for h2

Besides i'm pretty sure she got buffed in ea

[radiant crag]

istg i hate when icarus appears
the encounter becomes so stupidly hard

[night veldt]

And his boons aren't even that good

[vagrant tartan]

Thoughts on the ||Dream Dives?||

I thought they were... a fun distraction but really there's no reason to ever play them again after getting all the sticker-locked content

[bitter stirrup]

"No reason to ever play the game again after 100%-ing it"

In seriousness though I don't like how unbalanced and luck-based the mode is especially for high fear

[vagrant tartan]

I mean every once in a while I pop back to play a normal run because the game's very much balanced around those

[vagrant tartan]

and yeah it's very very VERY unbalanced anc Luck Based

if you have the misfortune to get Tartarus or The Summit first, you might as well give up

[bitter stirrup]

Add Olympus to that tbh (these only with Hordes Grit Forfeit Rivals Time maxed though)

[nova oar]

It is not that bad

Below 40f that is

Gets super jank at 62f+

[tranquil wren]

yeah like I'm sorry but I really don't think they care to balance things for high fear

it's a pretty fun mode to play

[nova oar]

They don't lmfao

[bitter stirrup]

Even ignoring fear I think the scaling and balancing is not enough

But I guess that's not the point

[nova oar]

I found the scaling up to r3 fine but some r4 fights get a little bs

[bitter stirrup]

Kinda weird that Erebus, Oceanus, Ephyra, and Thessaly get speed scaled up but Fields, Tartarus, Olympus, and Summit don't get speed scaled down

[bitter stirrup]

Yeah Idk why the boss scaling was "just give everyone Typhon HP" lol

[nova oar]

If you get one of the actual r4 bosses they're scaled higher than normal

[bitter stirrup]

I thought Typhon had less HP and Chronos used to have more but they changed it?

[dire sand]

Chronos was nerfed a few times I think

[nova oar]

Idk I haven't kept up with the hotfixes

[bitter stirrup]

In any case Olympus being almost twice as hard if you get it R4 when it's as hard if not harder than Summit is also crazy

[woeful goblet]

so heracles is now my last bond and i just can't get his heart to unlock

i've been doing a lot of ||rivals 3|| surface runs to try to progress it but i'm starting to get worried

any advice?

[jolly wing]

Does completing a Chaos trail move time forward by 1 night?

[nova oar]

Yes

[night veldt]

Hey, so I got to Echo with Selene's Moon Beam (I've already used its effect) and Echo gives me the option to gain it's basic effect after switching keepsakes

What's its basic effect?

[nova oar]

the lvl 1 keepsake

[night veldt]

ah I see

[woeful goblet]

to be completely clear, since i carried over my main save from an early access patch before you could fully bond with him, i’m worried there’s some weirdness in my files that’s preventing it from happening

probably being paranoid but there’s no way to tell unless it unlocks, yanno?

[prisma monolith]

How much money for you to stop hating selene coat

[nova oar]

One of the games on my steam wishlist

[prisma monolith]

🤔

Whats yo steam

Totally not sponsored by selene btw

[nova oar]

898291625

Friend code

[whole remnant]

Selene Coat is unpgraded base black coat which starts with a mediocre hex

i cleared 62 UW with it but didn't even use godsent hex

just shrockets

i'm # 1 hater

[prisma monolith]

thanks for the info i suppose?

[night veldt]

I will not stand for this Selene slander

[whole remnant]

nah im just kidding

but i do wish it were buffed in patch

[bitter stirrup]

I love it because I always seem to get amazing builds on it lol

[night veldt]

Selene Coat gives you a free Hex from the start

[bitter stirrup]

But yes my #1 wish for the patch was for it to get buffed

A free bad hex

[whole remnant]

but its a bad hex

and needs Ares for godsent and Ares isn't really the best on coats

i mean shimmering epic cut above spam

[night veldt]

[whole remnant]

in all seriousnes though i was more upset it didn't get buffed

[nova oar]

Hexes are bad tho

[whole remnant]

Hel was good already and got buffed

[nova oar]

Carrot still owes me a game /j

[whole remnant]

at least Hel was pretty good

[night veldt]

I can't count how many times Hexes saved my run

[merry whale]

hel is super funny rn, cuz helheim is actually insane rn while ospec gaming is still the high fear strat since standing still is bad

[whole remnant]

i can't count how many times purging a late hex plus a chaos boon has let me overcome debt and forfeit

[night veldt]

Including the last one when I've lost all my defiances on Rival Chronos and spammed omegas to get invulnerable and finish him no risk

[fathom lake]

Insanely loud wrong buzzer

[bitter stirrup]

I can't count how many times Hexes Twilight Curse saved my run

[merry whale]

hexes also got untapped potential

[fathom lake]

Hexes are better than most calls in Hades 1
With the correct upgrades

[merry whale]

gotta start running phase shift more trust

[whole remnant]

idk most high fear lead with O Spec into autofire

[merry whale]

tru

[prisma monolith]

quite the wishlist eh

[nova oar]

I'm not having this argument again

[bitter stirrup]

Oh yeah Phase Shift gets a shoutout for saving me once

[night veldt]

Hexes have potential, but each one requires you to adjust if you want to max out it's use

[bitter stirrup]

And Wolf Howl

[fathom lake]

.

[night veldt]

I mean, I'm not trying to argue or convince anybody, I'm fine with sharing different experiences

[whole remnant]

thats how I play Hel, lead with O Spec for one Valk then dash autofire dash autofire, the new Helheim Charge with Garmr Gaze is legit. almost won a 62 dive with Hera on attack

[nova oar]

I have my reasons for hating them

[heady socket]

hexes are so op wth (some of them)

[whole remnant]

thats too much resources

[nova oar]

Because I only play high fear and speedruns

[nova oar]

Just no

[whole remnant]

the best hexes are the ones that require little investment

twighlight curse

[heady socket]

understood

[whole remnant]

night bloom

[harsh bluff]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1500800236803850320/1500887000415469618/image.png?ex=69fa1172&is=69f8bff2&hm=ee6bc69cc99f64520f7c15702478510496290e479a32e915dfe4366a672c88bc&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1076&height=700
moon water seems good

[spiral dawn]

night bloom is goated

[harsh bluff]

idk where to find fountains tho

[fathom lake]

God Sent Lunar ray lmfao

[harsh bluff]

oh

alright night bloom it is then

[whole remnant]

Lunar Ray needs too much investment

even with godsent although that helps

[heady socket]

yeah ray is my least favorite one

[whole remnant]

you want boons/hammers etc way more

[fathom lake]

yeah but its hilarious lmfao

[nova oar]

I want what you're smokin

[heady socket]

ray and the meteor one ig

[night veldt]

Lunar Ray makes you stationary so I don't like it

[fathom lake]

Copium

[spiral dawn]

night bloom, wolf howl or total eclipse are my go tos

[nova oar]

Dawg, I know what i'm talkin about

[prisma monolith]

my go to is grabbing an hp room instead

[whole remnant]

especially on surface take a hex now those shrines are fighting hex spots for possible discount mystery boons of a hermes boon

oor a hermes boon

[heady socket]

i feel like total eclipse is only good if you have the godsend but even then its way worse than those other 2

[fathom lake]

Moon Water can make you practically inmortal with Stremgth its hilarious

[prisma monolith]

watch your language pls

[spiral dawn]

yeah which is why its the third option on that list

[prisma monolith]

[heady socket]

i used to think moon water was bad (scars 3) but theres an upgrade that makes it give you a 1 second iframe so its actually fine to take

even on high fear

[nova oar]

Moon water is just hilariously bad as soon as you have any skill

[whole remnant]

wolf howl is a nice oh sheet button how about that

[spiral dawn]

but its still low effort and the damage is awesome

[nova oar]

No actual high fear runner takes mooon water

[night veldt]

Bosses easily run out of Total Eclipse

[spiral dawn]

esp if u pair it with a well timed cast

[fathom lake]

Womp WOmp have mercy on the peasants high fearer

[spiral dawn]

true, its best on typhon cus he doesnt move lmao

[heady socket]

i mean yeah there are better options.... but its better than nothign

[whole remnant]

well scars alone make it obsolete but ya

[nova oar]

Not even high fear, you get so much healing from other sources without scars that it's pointless anyway

[spiral dawn]

agreed

[heady socket]

you can take it for iframes

[nova oar]

It is worse than nothing because you have to take and tehen upgrade the hex

[spiral dawn]

i dont even run high fear and i nevr pick it

[whole remnant]

rather just purge and have money to buy good stuff shrug

[heady socket]

its not that much of an investment to pick it up

[spiral dawn]

no but there are many bvetter alternatives

[heady socket]

i wouldn't purge selene bc you can get wolf howl lol

[zealous remnant]

What is the hardest rivals fight? I only have typhon left but i dont know what to expect. Chronos so far has been the hardest

[heady socket]

but yeah its rare to pick moon water ever

[night veldt]

I like it

But not baseline

[heady socket]

*if you're on scars 3

[spiral dawn]

imo rivals prom is harder than typhon

[night veldt]

Moon Water requires investment, but it can be literally a lifesaver

[whole remnant]

i play 62 fear so its different. a lot of times i wont get a hex unless i open to it. which i likely reset and salute, but anyway if i get a hex a ways in id rather purge it to keep up with debt/forfeit

[bitter stirrup]

Seen Frei take it a few times

[zealous remnant]

That was a stressful one but chronos felt harder for me

[bitter stirrup]

That guy has 65 clears lol

[night veldt]

I know it's not for pros, but not every run is a no hit run

[spiral dawn]

i havent fought rivals chronos tbh bc i died to his first phase and havent gone back 💀

i did enough to get the prophecy lmao

[bitter stirrup]

Recently I haven't been purging Selene as much unless I really need the gold tbh

[whole remnant]

i just never get selene early enough

[zealous remnant]

Yeah its like a whole new boss honestly every phase has different movesets

[whole remnant]

so its an easy purge if i need money

[harsh bluff]

damn the hex argument is still going on

[heady socket]

i play 62 too, i've cleared 65 twice, i still like hexes. they can be better than a lot of support boons you can get

i would rather take a hex over rousing reception or some useless whatever

[whole remnant]

its a gamble, id rather gamble on boons

[bitter stirrup]

Consensus seems to be Chronos > Scylla/Prometheus > Typhon but right now I'm of the opinion that Typhon is harder than Chronos

[spiral dawn]

bro what did i say

[zealous remnant]

Lol

[spiral dawn]

anyways if uve managed against rivals chronos and rivals prom ull be fine against rivals typhon

[prisma monolith]

scylla probs

[bitter stirrup]

The thing about Chronos is you mostly only have to worry about him and his moves get predictable after a while, it's just that many of his P2 and P3 moves can be really hard/almost impossible to dodge even if you know they're coming, and there are a few unfair things that can happen

[zealous remnant]

Thats crazy, i felt scylla is pretty easy but it definetly depends on playstyle id say. Typhon is scaring me honestly,

[spiral dawn]

scylla depends on weapon imo

[bitter stirrup]

Whereas with Scylla, Prometheus, and Typhon (P4 mostly), there is a lot going on and you can't really predict most of what will happen

[spiral dawn]

get a good set of boons on supay and scylla was no problem but prom is still so hard for me

[whole remnant]

you get three boon choices, i mean there are a few hexes i like mainly wolf howl as an escape artist, twilight, or night bloom, but in general the only hex thats really ever carried a run for me is night bloom +aprho/hera duo

i like low investment hexes

[spiral dawn]

night bloom on rivals scylla is funny

or specifically roxy

night bloom roxy is always a treat

[whole remnant]

i don't like to be wrapped up investing a lot into a curse over trying to get boons