Quite good
#h2-discussion
nova oar
placid sonnet
I'm going to go out on a limb and assume running the unseen on this aspect is basically mandatory
placid sonnet
Yeah, but this aspect chugs magick
nova oar
Take one gain boon
Also the way unseen works it just doesn't do much for torches so you're handicapping yourself
crude dragon
Yeah, but this aspect chugs magick
Which is why you need an actual Gain boon and not an MP regen that's just Glamour Gain but worse
placid sonnet
Maybe I'll just take the dog
crude dragon
10 MP/second that gets interrupted every time you channel, on a weapon that's known for channeling a lot, will not help you
And yeah, the doggy is quite nice for MP-heavy weapons
Digging up MP will tide you over until you get a Gain boon, and the max MP increase is just good to have on torches
placid sonnet
Which boons do people usually go for on this aspect? I'm assuming it's about the same other than the Sprint
Which I'm guessing Zeus or hera
crude dragon
They are the usual suspects, yeah, though I've also heard Poseidon and Hestia work well
Apollo, too, because even though the Aspect no longer buffs Beach Ball (SMH my head), it still pairs well with what you're looking to do
Plus Lucid Gain is a good source of MP, and you're gonna need to Cast a lot for safety
hushed cloak
Actually devastated to announce that the eris ragebait is working on me
Anyone got any tips for eris on frenzy 2? I can't ever seem to get behind her safely
nova oar
Anyone got any tips for eris on frenzy 2? I can't ever seem to get behind her sa...
Rivals or normal?
hushed cloak
Normal
nova oar
Play around the pillars
vital hollow
Are Mel blades not so good, or do I only know how to play aspect of Morrigan?
near basin
anyone know if the math says its worth it to special order fate fabric as opposed to just doing the moon salt stuff?
like is it worth only special ordering the moon salt stuff and just buying fate fabric right away if you need like 10
strong rapids
Are Mel blades not so good, or do I only know how to play aspect of Morrigan?
you can find success with any aspect, but yes many people agree that the non-morrigan blades feel weaker than most other aspects in the game. its not just you
nova oar
Are Mel blades not so good, or do I only know how to play aspect of Morrigan?
They're just kinda worse than morrigan
upper plover
Is there any way I can not die after 3 rooms on the surface?
I die way too fast up there
willow fog
Is there any way I can **not** die after 3 rooms on the surface?
U got the incant to not bleed hp?
upper plover
U got the incant to not bleed hp?
The what?
Incantations?
What're you on about?
willow fog
You need to get the incant to walk on the surface without taking hp damage
upper plover
You need to get the incant to walk on the surface without taking hp damage
Know when I can get that, or how?
willow fog
Talk to Moros
Ingredient wise you need to visit chaos and get 2 moss, everything else is part of an underworld run
I'd also recommend snagging a bit of bronze while you're up there
upper plover
Ingredient wise you need to visit chaos and get 2 moss, everything else is part ...
It says I need F-Fabric to talk to Moros
Which I have no clue on how to get
willow fog
The shopkeep sells f fabric
upper plover
and where do I get bronze?
willow fog
Its also one of the more cost effective gold ticket items
Bronze is the mineral on the surface
You didnt softlock yourself, but you will need to get a couple of runs out of the way to get the events to happen as it should
upper plover
You didnt softlock yourself, but you will need to get a couple of runs out of th...
oki
and where's the golden ticket from?
it just shows up from time to time in my inventory
nova oar
oki
and where's the golden ticket from?
it just shows up from time to time in m...
From buying things at charon
willow fog
1k spent on charon shop means 1 ticket
3 tickets for 10 fabric is surprisingly one of the best items for value
Moondust is an option but the rate is kind of a scam, thats 2 moondust a ticket, which is 160 bones lol
upper plover
and where would I get Adamant from?
willow fog
Ash is best value per ticket but its not a scarce resource, and Psyche is similar
Adamant is very far away, region 3 on surface, dont bother till you cant make it past 3 rooms
upper plover
Adamant is very far away, region 3 on surface, dont bother till you cant make it...
oki
I need it for the Black Coat
How good is it?
willow fog
Its ok, not my fav but its funny
The skullshot is unironically one of my fav weps tho, its why you want at least 1 bronze
Its basically a hades 1 cast build lmao
upper plover
The skullshot is unironically one of my fav weps tho, its why you want at least ...
Compared to Argent Skull, how good is the Black Coat?
Like, what is it's play style like?
bitter stirrup
Movement of the skull is very unique since the special can act as a second dash but it takes a bit more skill to control your movement
Coat has unique movement and animations in its own way, the special has a weird homing animation but it's surprisingly reliable (though controller players may have issues with it)
upper plover
oki
I play KBM
whole remnant
Coat has unique movement and animations in its own way, the special has a weird ...
i play switch 2 controller and dont have issues on coat specials ive ever noticed what ya mean
buoyant matrix
Compared to Argent Skull, how good is the Black Coat?
Like, what is it's play s...
it's the hardest weapon to learn how to play, but is pretty good
upper plover
it's the hardest weapon to learn how to play, but is pretty good
I'm looking up some gameplay of it
And it looks like the gauntlets from Hades, combined with the exoskeleton from CoD:AW
bitter stirrup
i play switch 2 controller and dont have issues on coat specials ive ever notice...
I can't say for sure either I just know some controller players have complained about it
whole remnant
weird
whole remnant
I can't say for sure either I just know some controller players have complained ...
only aspects im ass with high fear are axes and thats just idk why. not my thing
cleared nergal 60 without wards
and mel axe 58 without wards and scars 3
charon just has vows pile up that nerf it. it was like a top ten at least aspect for me 32 fear closer to top 5
slim pike
I'm looking up some gameplay of it
And it looks like the gauntlets from Hades, ...
The base of it isn't that complicated. Punch, Mash missiles
bitter stirrup
only aspects im ass with high fear are axes and thats just idk why. not my thing
Yeah I had to reset for the perfect start with Nergal and Mel Axe
whole remnant
but hitting mid 50s youch. like 55 both ways for charon was my best never pushed for higher UW after 55 surface
could prob do 58 but eh
upper plover
The base of it isn't that complicated. Punch, Mash missiles
simple enough
whole remnant
thantrash 55 UW 50 surface
hate that aspect
like dont even use it. lowest surface clear of any weapon tied for lowest UW.
worthy pier
So as far as I know the little note on a door means there's something prophecy related but I just went into a Hex door, killed everything, got my Hex upgrades but nothing else was there. Nothing relating to prophecy at least. I found it's called "Fated List" but again, curious what fate thing it is or was that I did? Was it maybe enemy related?
slim pike
maybe there's a hex you haven't taken
worthy pier
This was purely upgrades (I'm in the last area don't wanna spoil anything). I think it might've been a new enemy? Just that the logbook didn't pop up. I got another door just now and that was a new enemy and the book did pop up so maybe that's what it was.
brazen ibex
Do Wounds and Crit interact
brazen ibex
Big crit build with Ares attack you say
I've been trying to find ways to make Ares attack good
What would be the best weapon for it
brazen ibex
It's a shame Wounds uptime is so weird
slim pike
what's so weird about it?
brazen ibex
what's so weird about it?
One strike per three seconds
slim pike
per enemy
nova oar
Like budget heph
slim pike
+50 Base power is a lot in one hit, but yeah
brazen ibex
Like budget heph
It's easy to get Heph faster than 3 seconds on jpom
Easier with persephone
And then you have grand caldera for more boost
worthy pier
Is there an achievement to max out every keepsake, or just the one to get every keepsake?
Contemplating if I should craft the "100% faster leveling keepsakes" thing in the cauldron
brazen ibex
Maybe like some kind of omega attack thing for ares
World collider coat?
Takes long enough to charge for good uptime
Or like Mel staff omega special
willow fog
Contemplating if I should craft the "100% faster leveling keepsakes" thing in th...
Yes lol
nova oar
It's easy to get Heph faster than 3 seconds on jpom
Easy? yes, Consistent? no
willow fog
Its a permanent upgrade and you always get value out of it
brazen ibex
Easy? yes, Consistent? no
I don't think I've had a single Heph run that I didn't get down to 2 seconds
Actually maybe a couple at 3
brazen ibex
I don't think I've had a single Heph run that I didn't get down to 2 seconds
Did i have to do a little bit of divinity seed scumming?
...yes
willow fog
Whos your fav deity
brazen ibex
Ares ‼️
willow fog
Really? Hes that good?
brazen ibex
No lmaooooo I just like him
nova oar
Did i have to do a little bit of divinity seed scumming?
...yes
Exactly
brazen ibex
I liked the blood drops before they were cool
willow fog
Man just gives so much value
whole remnant
Hera gives the best boons all around i would say
willow fog
Hera gives the best damage boons by far
whole remnant
zeus close, then aphro/heph
brazen ibex
Bridal glow best boon in the game
willow fog
But heph gives the best survivability and B tier damage
whole remnant
hera gives more than damage boons, her entire kit is useful
whole remnant
yeah hitch stuff is big but bridal glow, rousing eurption, extended family, proper upbringing, uncommon grace, her legendary is tied for best
willow fog
The mana regen is kinda eh but passive 30% damage debuff for existing nearby is just a lot more effective hp
brazen ibex
My top 5 ranking would be
Ares (funny guy)
Zeus (for storm ring and like nothing else)
Hera (bridal glow best boon)
Demeter (crowd control <3)
Poseidon (HAHAYES)
brazen ibex
Poseidon, the economists choice
whole remnant
heph is a great god for safety. and blast builds are great 3 seconds or under. pref 2 seconds or 1.5 with the duo
whole remnant
aphrodites kit is insane too and her lego
willow fog
I had the boom boon on the skull special hit
So it was free 500 damage after every magdump
brazen ibex
Aphrodite leg is so silly
brazen ibex
I always thought that Hera and Aphro legendary should be swapped
whole remnant
i have heph 4th because if you don't have blasts he has a small list of boons but trusty shield and security system are crazy
willow fog
Whats their legendary btw
whole remnant
heavy metal
willow fog
i have heph 4th because if you don't have blasts he has a small list of boons bu...
Whats the latter too?
whole remnant
Aprhodite legendary makes weak foes take three random curses
last time i got aphrodite lego early blitz was 5th for damage and zeus wasn't in my pool
the latter?
but yeah heph is great
willow fog
Aprhodite legendary makes weak foes take three random curses
That sounds hilarious
whole remnant
two of my 62 fear dream dive had 2 second blast attacks
willow fog
Thats an SMT skill lmfao
brazen ibex
That sounds hilarious
It's so funny on rapture ring
willow fog
Rapture ring?
willow fog
Icons going crazy
I forgot boom was a status lol
Thats like 3 rolls per scrub for someone to combust or get hitched
brazen ibex
How does nervous wreck do scorch bty
whole remnant
Persephone and Mel Coat (Mel Coat was a Dream Dive I still had an Artificer charge going into second biome so instead of time piece chose calling card and first non onion boon was heph offering volcanic strike so made it heroic)
willow fog
Tbh idk how yall use the coat
spare wind
Finally finished silk and spitefulness prophecy 😭 😭
willow fog
Every other wep was intuitive but I had no idea what the gameplan was
whole remnant
so Mel Coat build had Zeus on special with Shimmering Rockets and Heroic Blast for my Dash Attacks
willow fog
So you walk around and blow up around mobs
Im ngl the damage seemed kinda middling for the coat
Also the special attack autotracking was kinda rough
whole remnant
Tbh idk how yall use the coat
well i play 62 fear so its a little different but i shoot for shimmering rocket hammer and hera/zeus/hestia special and blast away. then attack its heph if epic jpom+4 is available, or zeus if not on special already
otherwise poseidon/hestia attacks
brazen ibex
Every other wep was intuitive but I had no idea what the gameplan was
Coat is def a strange one
willow fog
I get the boons but not the normal attacks
brazen ibex
Mel coat is good with blood drops
I like omega specials on Selene coat
Nyx can go either way
And Shiva is built different lol
For Shiva its really unfortunate that the omega special outperforms the attack
Put Apollo on Shiva special and you will clear every room with ease
Maybe wounds on Shiva attack could be something idk
spare wind
4 more runs with different aspects left on bearing dark gifts prophecy
Then I'll have 100% achivements 
austere oxide
Hi, I saved my Star Dust for Witches Delight to power up the familiars. They are now at 100%. What is the best use of it? (I heard it is a 'trap' to go for nectar, but that could be helpful because I feel like I'm always short.)
brazen ibex
Hi, I saved my Star Dust for Witches Delight to power up the familiars. They ar...
Ambrosia, you need a lot more than you think to max out
spare wind
Hi, I saved my Star Dust for Witches Delight to power up the familiars. They ar...
Idk about the trap thing for nectar
I have brewed alot of nectar
And i just buy the ambrosia from broker every night and the nectar
I have quite a bit rn although I still don't have max bonds with everyone
austere oxide
Thank you both for the perspective! 👍
strong rapids
im curious if theres anybody else who vastly prefers surface, like "surface mains". the underworld is really cool too but a pretty big majority of my runs are surface. i am like twice as confident in my surface gameplay compared to underworld because i have so much more practice. but it seems like everybody else plays them about equally or even prefers underworld
bitter stirrup
One of the best players in the world purple only plays surface as far as I know
Or at least they've only uploaded surface
But I remember seeing 40 as their highest fear on uw in one of their max fear surface videos
strong rapids
😭 thats my highest fear too
im glad to know im not alone
if the fields of mourning werent so big and empty it would definitely change how i feel. actually i was thinking earlier, it would be really cool if fields were slightly reworked and you could fight for multiple boons at a time. instead of doing 1 wave of enemies for 1 boon at a time, you could enrage multiple at once and fight through multiple distinct waves simultaneously to unlock the boons faster. as it stands, fighting like 6 spread out enemies at a time per boon is kinda lame
empty saddle
yo any news for future updates?
tender steppe
I saw Moros with a heart, but we didn't go anywhere. Do I have to die to hook up with him?
nova oar
yo any news for future updates?
No more updates planned
spark stag
I saw Moros with a heart, but we didn't go anywhere. Do I have to die to hook up...
just finishing a run will suffice, win or lose
nova oar
im curious if theres anybody else who vastly prefers surface, like "surface main...
Kor does
spark stag
in fact even coming out of a successful dive can trigger it after you talk to the heart
elfin heron
yo any news for future updates?
just bug fixes, there will at least be another hotfix
nova oar
We hope
scarlet zinc
Can we expect at some point a physical release for Hades 2 on consoles? (ps5, xbox)
torn wind
Doubtful
Not really any reason to do it tbh
Nintendo chose to do it but I doubt Sony and Microsoft will just since the game isn’t technically new
scarlet zinc
Nintendo chose to do it but I doubt Sony and Microsoft will just since the game ...
Hades I got a physical release (it was also cross-platform ps4-ps5).
nova oar
Hades I got a physical release (it was also cross-platform ps4-ps5).
This was back when physical releases were alot more popular
willow fog
Its not happening on xbox
Physical releases are and were popular, companies just prefer digital since cost effectiveness and more control over game distribution
torn wind
It’s not that I wouldn’t WANT a physical copy. Just on switch it did also cost $20 extra
spare wind
Dk about physical copy and don't really want one too but a artbook would be really good and appreciated
scarlet zinc
Physical releases are and were popular, companies just prefer digital since cost...
Remedy did only digital releases for Alan Wake 2 and then later a physical copy popped for consoles. I hope it is also still possible for Hades 2
torn wind
Alan Wake 2 was also a full price release not a $30 indie title
There’s less incentive to make a physical release when the profit margin is already smaller
That’s why Nintendo charged extra for their physical version
scarlet zinc
But at the end of the day, I just wondered if supergiant dev teams have been clear about the possibility of physical releases on ps5/ xbox: yes, no, maybe
nova oar
no
torn wind
It’s on game subscription services so like the companies are already giving it away basically for free
It being on game pass already tells me they don’t plan to make it physical
willow fog
Ngl prometheus is easier now
willow fog
It being on game pass already tells me they don’t plan to make it physical
Tbh xbox hasnt released anything physical for years
My stock selection is from 3 years ago
torn wind
Ngl prometheus is easier now
Was it you I told how to fight him?
torn wind
He's a LOT easier when you know how to stand in his face yeah
willow fog
Hes an elden ring boss
Just jump into him
Also I realized the tracking aoe spawning on your body is a free damage window
willow fog
I figured out the memory game too
I almost got typhoon
I got past his 2nd egg phase but that chin game is lethal
It was such a scuffed run too
floral coyote
Hi all, not sure where to put this, where can I get a Melinoe wooden miniature like when she move from one region to the next and it shows on the map?
upper plover
does anyone know where bronze can be obtained??
tranquil wren
surface first region
upper plover
surface first region
oki thnx
I dont understand how I have some of it considering that I die in the first 3 rooms
I havent been able to mine any
willow fog
Thats where they spawn tbb
upper plover
Thats where they spawn tbb
is it like...in the first room?
if so, I dont remember mining any
cursive nacelle
oki thnx
I dont understand how I have some of it considering that I die in the ...
Some times it spawns. Some times it doesnt
upper plover
Some times it spawns. Some times it doesnt
time to gacha my bronze spawns
marsh spear
Imagine:
A mod that turns Ephyra into residential evil 3 nemesis by having a big monster (inconspicuous Herakles reskin) slowly chase you.
upper plover
So I have Moros coming to visit
what incantation gives me surface immunity?
crude dragon
So I have Moros coming to visit
what incantation gives me surface immunity?
He'll tell you
upper plover
He'll tell you
when?
he's just standing there...carefree
crude dragon
The same way he did when you first met him
upper plover
The same way he did when you first met him
Yeah, he's currently here
And I've already spoken to him
crude dragon
Yeah, he's currently here
And I've already spoken to him
Was that how you first met Moros?
upper plover
Was that how you first met Moros?
As he's standing right now, that's after the second summoning
crude dragon
Was that how you first met Moros?
Was that how you ran into him for the first time?
upper plover
Okay, so
I don't remember how I met Moros the first time as it was during Early Access days
I just summoned him a second time a while ago.
I went to surface, died
Now he's having a chat before I spawn back
...
He gave me the recipe
YAY
crude dragon
(The first and second time you met him was by dying after doing the incantations related to him)
upper plover
well, I have the recipe
and now need Thalamus
where is that from??
upper plover
where do I get mandrake??
crude dragon
The region after Ephyra
crude dragon
The OAttack is garbage
willow fog
For both?
crude dragon
The Specials can be fired mid-attack, and the Dash-strike is still the best button it has
willow fog
Just like the axe
crude dragon
Nah, you can make the spin on the axe work
willow fog
Whats the game plan then?
crude dragon
There is no redeeming the base Coat's OAttack
bitter stirrup
Poseidon and Hestia on attack because the dash-strike hits 3 times, Zeus and Hera best on special, Poseidon and Hestia are still good on it too
willow fog
I confess that does sound dope
crude dragon
Look for Exhaust Riser and Shimmering Rockets
crude dragon
The OSpecial has its uses, but it's still not great
willow fog
So most of the time I can just absolutely prime?
crude dragon
Yep
willow fog
Is the damage good at least
crude dragon
It's better damage than the knives
crude dragon
Mel and Selene are pretty mediocre, Nyx is actually pretty strong
cunning laurel
no its great but its got bad omega moves
willow fog
Got it, Nyx it is
crude dragon
The big thing about Nyx is the bifurcated Attack and Special once you activate its special effect (which can individually trigger effects like scorch or chain lightning)
willow fog
Hey uh, how do you get bravery of familiars
crude dragon
Gotta get at least 4 pets
willow fog
Oh, 4 lol, wiki said 3 ugh
strong rapids
nyx splits dont do anything against single targets, right?
willow fog
And ty, ill look into the nyx kit
crude dragon
They don't, no, though Nyx's strength is being a room-clearing menace
strong rapids
for sure
split shuttle
nyx splits dont do anything against single targets, right?
yeah, but theres like a tech that exists to make nightspawn stuff hit single target but its so niche that it lowk isnt worth it
crude dragon
Oh, 4 lol, wiki said 3 ugh
Yeah, the wiki (especially Fandom) is still using early access info for the most part
crude dragon
It is impossible to go wrong with the staff
The closest you will get is a rank 1 Momus
willow fog
Whats your poison of choice
split shuttle
Best aspect for it?
mel staff/circe
crude dragon
Dual casts go hard
split shuttle
having double casts is pretty helpful
willow fog
Whats a psychic leash
crude dragon
Especially since the only cast in the game that doesn't benefit from overlapping them is Ares's
crude dragon
Whats a psychic leash
You remember the crystal beams from Demeter's Cast in Hades 1? And specifically the Demeter/Aphro Duo? Like that, but between yourself and the pet
willow fog
Ohhh, the beam
One last question, are the gathering tool upgrades just bad
Its 1 extra essence a night
crude dragon
Not really, no
willow fog
Why so
crude dragon
It's a luxury purchase, but the extra elements are pretty nice for turning on Infusions
crude dragon
Yeah, but sometimes you're off by just 1
willow fog
Hmm, got it
crude dragon
Actually, it's pretty often
willow fog
I see how itd help
crude dragon
Plus, 1 of everything puts Proper Upbringing on the table, and I am always happy to see a mass rarify
crude dragon
Hera
I'm still disappointed that it doesn't scale, though
(I.e. getting 4 of every element doesn't rarify everything to Epic and getting 6 of everything doesn't rarify to Heroic)
willow fog
Ok circe staff is pretty crazy
crude dragon
There's a good reason it's in the top 3 Aspects
willow fog
Even if the leash wasnt there lmao
Hey uh, when does aphrodite give me the nectar recipe
jolly hound
Ok circe staff is pretty crazy
A storm ring start on Circe is really hard to lose
upper plover
The region after Ephyra
then am I basically softlocked then?
I can't go past the fountain of Ephyra, but need the next region's material to lift the curse
crude dragon
Mandrake isn't needed for Unraveling
It's Moss, Nightshade, Thalamus, and Lotus(?), innit?
upper plover
wait...I must've mixed up the recipes
Dammit
crude dragon
Oh, it was Lotus
willow fog
A storm ring start on Circe is really hard to lose
Thats zeus right
Im running low on ambrosia, aphro still owes me the recipe
jolly hound
Thats zeus right
Yea
willow fog
That goes crazy with the cat
You can actually coax them into moving where theyre needed
near basin
is aspect of moros gernally regarded as best aspect for umbral flames
elfin heron
is aspect of moros gernally regarded as best aspect for umbral flames
probably tied with Eos
though all torch aspects are good
candid nimbus
Anubis with Hera on attack is funny
nocturne topaz
Anubis with Hera on attack is funny
well its good for clearing
and it has good attack damage
pair it with aphro cast
its good but i died cause i went to charon with 60 health
crystal frigate
https://i.imgur.com/xDF6EMi.png
50 heat is insane
jovial wedge
The tarturus soundtrack slaps so hard
proud swift
True
eager gust
though all torch aspects are good
torch seems cool but i dont know how i should be playing them
forest urchin
Is it just me or is the beating the Olympus 5min timer quite heavy on fig/heracles/icarus rng
cunning laurel
you should have time banked from previous regions
although high fear yes its common to time out there
forest urchin
Yeah upping my fear each time and the time out is really rough
I had one mega tanky run I yanked 1min+ of overtime during rivals prom lol
Tanked*
Been playing since ps5 release, got my first 50fear underworld run so went on to surface but damn that timer lol
pulsar rose
havent played in a really long time, what weapon should i do a run with
contrary to my user, i dont actually use axe all that much anymore so maybe smth that isnt axe
forest urchin
Morrigan is always fun for me
forest urchin
Hera attack into heph special+legendary works well 🙂
pulsar rose
was about to ask, thanks lmao
forest urchin
Haha np, I normally start with Hera keepsake, on attack its just too good for Morrigan xD
reef sail
I sure don’t enjoy the axe or the blades
At least I’ve discovered every boon now so I can start using real builds every run
forest urchin
I didn’t like blades either untill Morrigan. Morrigan is just awesome xD
elfin heron
for me, it's Artemis blades
void wasp
the torches is my go to, i prefer those
pulsar rose
im feeling whimsical, do i buy the anvil
im using hel, my current hammers are leering glance and helheim charge
ima just do it i have good enough boons that the hammers dont really matter that much
fun run amirite
lost leering glance, got the thing for ospecials going inward after out
and more dmg to armor
reef sail
I just realized succ rate is bonus percent of the base percent
Not a flat percent amount added 😭
pulsar rose
NO I WAS SO MAD WHEN I REALIZED THAT
limpid stream
Very niche question potentially but IDK where else to ask
Has anyone seen any Epic animatics using the Hades character designs
reef sail
I really slept on the circe leash
final atlas
I’m on PS5, I have Aspect of Selene maxed, yet it costs 90 magick for skyfall instead of 60. Am I doing something wrong? lol
reef sail
I’m on PS5, I have Aspect of Selene maxed, yet it costs 90 magick for skyfall in...
Did you grab an upgrade for it that raised the cost?
final atlas
Did you grab an upgrade for it that raised the cost?
I didn’t even realize there were upgrades that did that lol. Which ones do?
Oh I’m dumb. I never realized what the +magick recharge cost did. Derp
cunning laurel
the upgrade tree is random if you didnt know
jolly hound
I just realized succ rate is bonus percent of the base percent
yea double strike at 70 percent would break the game lol
granted you can still achieve that
hushed cloak
...pressure points.
jolly wing
If you skip an infernal contract in a shop, does that infernal contract appear again in the same night?
shadow spruce
how do you get familiars?
red fox
Talk to your frog friends
reef sail
how do you get familiars?
Talk to your frog after every death and eventually you’ll unlock the feature. The others you have to find out in the wild
shadow spruce
Talk to your frog after every death and eventually you’ll unlock the feature. Th...
ahh okay
reef sail
And you have to feed them treats to recruit
lean bronze
If you skip an infernal contract in a shop, does that infernal contract appear a...
no
elfin heron
how do you get familiars?
this will just unlock eventually but the wiki says:
Defeated Hecate 7 times
Gathered with the Crescent Pick 2 times, with the Tablet of Peace 8 times, and 1 time with the Silver Spade.
crude dragon
If you skip an infernal contract in a shop, does that infernal contract appear a...
It's not guaranteed to show back up
heavy crow
I hate this stupid boss fight. Those water jets just cascaded me into 80 damage in like 2 seconds why are they there
they should not be there, it does not make the boss fight more fun and challenging. It just makes it more Bs. if maybe they only activated while the tentacles they are made to keep you around are up it would be fine
but no, I got all the tentacles, have Jetty and Scylla both right on me, roxy is doing the "get up here" move and the water jets decide now is the time to completely ruin what might otherwise be a fun and engaging bossfight
Cause I cant be in the non water jet spot, I can't go out of the circle, Only place I don't take any damage at all is the water jets.
but that still gets me stunned, and launched right into the death circle of Roxy
it does not feel balanced at all it feels like a mechanic they put as a bandaid to a problem they planned to fix later.
nova oar
it does not feel balanced at all it feels like a mechanic they put as a bandaid ...
It's there to stop you camping out in the fight, you need to take out the tentacles in front of her and make your own safe space
Or if you have got rid of all the tentacles
Why are you standing in the water jets
heavy crow
It's there to stop you camping out in the fight, you need to take out the tentac...
counterpoint, I did. Scylla and jetty both came in there
heavy crow
Why are you standing in the water jets
scylla is doing her scream at the lower area
nova oar
Roxy's attack isn't that long
nova oar
scylla is doing her scream at the lower area
You can kite around her
heavy crow
You can kite around her
and then get hit by jettys dash
because all the pieces of the boss decided to go there
heavy crow
Roxy's attack isn't that long
she does it repeatedly even when I don't hit her
the fight ends up having her do it like 8 times more then any other attack
nova oar
Yes, which is why you focus her first, kill her in a few seconds and you don't have to worry about it
heavy crow
Yes, which is why you focus her first, kill her in a few seconds and you don't h...
And I try but theres 3 other bosses all interrupting that
nova oar
You can't hyperfocus anything in that fight, if you're getting locked down, you need to go kill some tentacles and run around the arena to separate them
heavy crow
You can't hyperfocus anything in that fight, if you're getting locked down, you ...
I can't run around the arena when roxy forces me back into the same spot. And I do go around killing the tentecals whenever I get the chance so I would have more free space. Yet roxy gives me only 3 seconds
nova oar
I can't run around the arena when roxy forces me back into the same spot. And I ...
Her attacks are literally static on the ground, not that hard to dodge, even if you are caught in one, you can just iframe it
heavy crow
Maybe not for you but for me the timing can be quite tricky and when im mid dodge from the 3 other people attacking me I don't always have dodge off cooldown
nova oar
Maybe not for you but for me the timing can be quite tricky and when im mid dodg...
If you don't have your dodge at the right time then it's a little bit of a skill issue 🤷♀️
heavy crow
If you don't have your dodge at the right time then it's a little bit of a skill...
your not really helpful.
Am I supposed to sit down and take other attacks?
cunning laurel
roxy wont start with the attack that forces you towards her, so go down first to bait scylla and jetty there
nova oar
your not really helpful.
You're*
heavy crow
roxy wont start with the attack that forces you towards her, so go down first to...
thank you for giving actual advice instead of just insults
nova oar
When did I insult you 😭
heavy crow
When did I insult you 😭
My dude how do you not see you've kinda been doing that the whole time
you havent given any actual advice, just been rude
heavy crow
Cry about it ig
And here you are continuing on with it
Why even respond if you arent gonna actually try and be helpful. Instead just trying to ruin someone elses time
willow fog
I can't run around the arena when roxy forces me back into the same spot. And I ...
Struggling with scylla?
heavy crow
Struggling with scylla?
The rivals fight, mainly for fear run
heavy crow
Part of it was defo the speed fear I got
heavy crow
I'm not that good yet
Fair, also epic pfp
willow fog
Thanks, me and my girlfriend in that pic
It was my first run so I was convinced she was lying about her pyromania need
Whats the issue for the scylla rivals?
Boat3d has a guide
heavy crow
Whats the issue for the scylla rivals?
Partly bad luck, partly skill issue
Partly a mechanic I think should be changed
willow fog
Do you wanna learn the fight with any wep or do u just wanna bulldoze it for some materials?
Whats the mechanic?
heavy crow
Whats the mechanic?
the water jets
willow fog
Jetty?
willow fog
Oh, the water jets screening roxy?
heavy crow
Oh, the water jets screening roxy?
yes
getting hit once alone pisses me off with them
willow fog
Do you just wanna blitz her? Or do u wanna learn her
Circe staff with cat familiar could trivialize that
heavy crow
Do you just wanna blitz her? Or do u wanna learn her
Im learning her more with each fight I just didn't have proper weapons for the fight when mixed with the fear I had picked
nova oar
its added in the rivals fight specifically
There should be a safe spot just in front of roxy where the jets don't hit in that area
willow fog
The main sad difference is roxy becomes a lot more resistant to bullying
And yeah there is a small blindspot from jets
The issue is its in front of roxy, where the rest of them can get you
nova oar
You can also just abuse the jets to avoid some attacks
willow fog
Do the jets not deal damags
heavy crow
The issue is its in front of roxy, where the rest of them can get you
and the main issue is cause she uses that move alot and I had the speed boost on them they were schmoving right at me
nova oar
The main sad difference is roxy becomes a lot more resistant to bullying
She still goes down in a few seconds, you just gotta not get hit by anything else
heavy crow
Do the jets not deal damags
they don't but they do stun
nova oar
Do the jets not deal damags
No, and it's not a stunlock, so I just ignore them
willow fog
That said tho good fear to have
In H1 that was also the play for free punishment points
Tbh you can do it
Yall are better than me, I'm still eating typhon's chin game
nova oar
I always had frenzy on for rivals yeah
willow fog
Frenzy is just free once you get used to it
heavy crow
this game does hate me though
heavy crow
I've gotten so many ash and bones this run but nothing else
willow fog
The furthest I got to typhon was a farming run lol, and I was doing the knuckle bone challenge for polyphemus
heavy crow
only stuff I got that insent ash and bones is the stuff I changed from being ash and bones
willow fog
I botched the aphro keepsake by ignoring it in region 2 and kept it on in region 3, but beat down promy without death defiances
I was legit expecting to fold on a ship somewhere with my garbage build
willow fog
only stuff I got that insent ash and bones is the stuff I changed from being ash...
Yeah lmao, its rough when the game just gives farming mats
nova oar
https://imgur.com/a/BNUlYKy
Example of a good scylla fight, and how I avoid the jets
willow fog
Rivals fight have the same hp for each no?
nova oar
only stuff I got that insent ash and bones is the stuff I changed from being ash...
Have you got the incantation that gives extra rewards?
heavy crow
I botched the aphro keepsake by ignoring it in region 2 and kept it on in region...
My first promy rivals run was such a horror fight. I went in half health 0 death deviances
willow fog
You probably know this already but hitch gives a comical dps bump for that rival fight
heavy crow
Have you got the incantation that gives extra rewards?
Yes so its not the worst, but I would rather get like, an attack boon
Or anything
willow fog
My first promy rivals run was such a horror fight. I went in half health 0 death...
Mfw herc turns you into a pavement stain
H1 had a similar issue
heavy crow
Mfw herc turns you into a pavement stain
I won somehow
willow fog
We always win when we're backed into a corner
heavy crow
When I normally lose 2-3 death defiance's on promy normally
willow fog
We just need to show up like a wet honey badger before the fight
If we become one during the fight its not as effective
heavy crow
brought the Aries keepsake, and I have not gotten the boon
I got posidon and zues instead 😭
willow fog
What boon
heavy crow
Aries
willow fog
It just rolls the odds higher lmao, but just a warning it doesnt do it for other boons in the region
heavy crow
any aries boon
willow fog
I got 0 aphro boons after it
heavy crow
I am aries boonless
willow fog
Btw howd u get the nectar recipe
heavy crow
Btw howd u get the nectar recipe
Talking with Aphro
willow fog
I did but it seems girl got backlogged
nova oar
any aries boon
Why ares?
heavy crow
Why ares?
using axe, trying to get wound for bonus dps. And also trying to do fated list
nova oar
using axe, trying to get wound for bonus dps. And also trying to do fated list
Even so, you reall ydon't want ares on axe
heavy crow
Even so, you reall ydon't want ares on axe
but funny fast axe
nova oar
Not the thantrash
willow fog
Whats your fav aspects @nova oar
halcyon rain
Not the thantrash
than slander nooo
heavy crow
Not the thantrash
speedy axe with speedy 100% attack speed boost from ares
nova oar
speedy axe with speedy 100% attack speed boost from ares
Not how plasma works
heavy crow
Nah, totally how it works if I think its how it works
doesnt matter the real mechanics, I'll lock in
nova oar
It's only 50% at max
heavy crow
though my normal weapon is aspect of Moros
(I mostly find the movement speed boost funny.)
nova oar
Whats your fav aspects <@749832784486596648>
Like from every weapon?
reef sail
How do people not get curbstomped trying to use Charon with frenzy
nova oar
How do people not get curbstomped trying to use Charon with frenzy
Dash charging the ospecial
heavy crow
Im looking at the start of oceana... its just more ASH
nova oar
Yeah, every wep
Circe, Morrigan, Moros, Charon, Medea, Shiva
heavy crow
and like, I can complain but I do actually need it
heavy crow
Circe, Morrigan, Moros, Charon, Medea, Shiva
Ew medea
reef sail
Medea is so fun
nova oar
What have you got against medea
heavy crow
What have you got against medea
thats the skull one right?
nova oar
Yes
nova oar
Are you loading one skull at a time?
heavy crow
Are you loading one skull at a time?
even with the hammer that loaded them all at once
nova oar
even with the hammer that loaded them all at once
That's considered the worst hammer for the aspect
heavy crow
Are you loading one skull at a time?
one or multiple just doesnt go with me
Mainly the not having an attack I think is my problem with it
nova oar
Mainly the not having an attack I think is my problem with it
You still have an attack tho
https://imgur.com/a/gkIJ84S
You just have to play it like this
heavy crow
one that I have to charge
nova oar
It's pretty much instant
heavy crow
It's pretty much instant
yes but like, I like pressing the one button and then getting to attack instead of pressing 2 buttons quickly
Also should mention im on pc. don't think that affects anything but it might
nova oar
Medea is easier on kbnm
heavy crow
Medea is easier on kbnm
kbnm?
also ima be listening to bewitching eyes as I get murdered
heavy crow
keyboard and mouse
iseeisee
if I had back support maybe
MORE ASH
AAAA
I actually do need ash for some upgrades
willow fog
Bruh the axe final chop hammer is horrific
Im pretty sure it got me killed
50-50 I get a hit off or a dash attack
crude dragon
Bruh the axe final chop hammer is horrific
YEP
You never want to take that hammer first, and barely ever want to take it second
crude dragon
There's a Chaos Trial that has you use it
buoyant matrix
you can take it on charon and still win because you're only using specials anyway lol
crude dragon
True!
But anyways, that Trial also is the one that has you start with Fang, so it's a decent one to level up that keepsake as well
willow fog
Fang?
willow fog
I prolly wanna do those chaos trials oof
tired iris
So that really expensive invocation that requires you to have found ||the three Fates||, does that.. re-randomize the seed of the next run you do?
tired iris
Thanks!
willow fog
Whats the best boon god for skulls btw
crude dragon
You'll never guess
willow fog
Zeus?
crude dragon
(It's the power couple)
willow fog
Aphro and Hep?
crude dragon
Though Ares and Apollo are honorable mentions
red fox
When in doubt zeus hera
crude dragon
Aphro and Hep?
Zeus and Hera
willow fog
Oh lmfao
I thought u meant a functional couple
But thank you, Hera first keepsake per usual?
Zeus for attack then, Hera for sprint?
crude dragon
Either or, Zeus is best on the Special whereas you can be more open with the Attack
willow fog
Whats zeus special again?
crude dragon
Heaven Flourish
willow fog
Thanks
crude dragon
All the Special boons are "Flourish"
willow fog
Akso toula's death defiance is kinda bad
crude dragon
Sure is, but once you pop it, any refilled ones will work like normal
red fox
If you level up toula to max it not that bad
willow fog
It pops last tho iirc
I think id rather my boy frinos
Tho toula has a better farming item
crude dragon
80 flat still isn't great
willow fog
Tbh its her damage that stands out more
red fox
More than that it is less than usual defiance
jolly hound
Doing my first regular run after like 30 dream dives and Poseidon like girl where u been then Hera talks about her dress and didn’t notice I had narcolepsy all in game month
heavy crow
Also didn't expect to beat fear 32 on my second try
placid sonnet
So the prophecy with the three fates is a little confusing on the wording
Do I trigger the pin three times in a row, in different rooms and die in the next room, or trigger it and die in the third room?
red fox
Trigger 3 time in a row then die in 4th room work for me
plain vector
once u put scars 3 on toula dd isnt so bad bc going for max hp with scars 3 is kinda a waste
placid sonnet
Trigger 3 time in a row then die in 4th room work for me
Thanks
plain vector
i usually get to region 4 with less than 200 hp so toula dd is good enough for that
nova oar
Trigger 3 time in a row then die in 4th room work for me
You can die in third
calm spindle
Is there new oceanus music??
nova oar
Is there new oceanus music??
Not since rivals was added
calm spindle
Not since rivals was added
Maybe im tweaking then cuz i heard sumthing new in the dream dive
willow fog
First typhon kill!
I swear its always the runs you assume will be a wash that somehow end up with wins
upper plover
Why can't I see aspects for my Black Coat?
I can for all my other weapons.
crude dragon
Did you only just unlock it?
sturdy snow
Just beat the game and got the end credits!!
nova oar
Just beat the game and got the end credits!!
Now the real game starts
sturdy snow
Now the real game starts
Definitely gonna try to 100% it!
placid sonnet
Now I understand why people don't like concave stone
It can straight up pick something that doesn't go well with what you're doing
reef sail
The first few times I used it I thought it picked whatever your cursor is over
And got at myself for picking the wrong one
nova oar
Which isn't crazy
It would be crazy if you could choose when and where you got the extra boon
prisma monolith
My fav keepsake, ily echo
willow fog
Tbf its not so bad early on
You def dont grab it on 3rd region onwards because it will turn off your build lmao
prisma monolith
I always grab it second zone
sleek wind
To get the boonless title, I just need to kill chronos while boonless yeah? i.e. purging everything at the tart well
lean bronze
To get the boonless title, I just need to kill chronos while boonless yeah? i.e....
yus
Since you cant prevent boons midrun
sleek wind
Aight, gonna attempt it the next time I get sea star room 1
lean bronze
yus
Since you cant prevent boons midrun
well you can
Not reliable
sleek wind
go into chronos with 0 boons but 600hp and a well buff for boonless attacks should be pretty safe
lean bronze
go into chronos with 0 boons but 600hp and a well buff for boonless attacks shou...
Just need a parray and youll forget youre boonless
willow fog
go into chronos with 0 boons but 600hp and a well buff for boonless attacks shou...
Brick Melle
I saw a guy end a typhon fight with 2.4k damage taken
cunning laurel
aki got 10k taken
bitter stirrup
Armor from hexes
willow fog
Hows it get that much armor
bitter stirrup
Some hexes have nodes that give you temporary armor, so if you can use the hex a lot, you get near-infinite armor
placid sonnet
What's the ideal attack sequence for the aspect of Morrigan? Trying to learn this weapon, but it seems a little clunky. My own fault though
red fox
I usually use oatk into atk into special
sacred socket
Quick q, can you conquer the surface/underworld without fighting the required Testament for your weapon or is this essential?
Eg. if I chose staff for surface with the minimum fear needed but my testament is Scylla
lean bronze
Quick q, can you conquer the surface/underworld without fighting the required Te...
no
You have to kill the boss shown, with the fear
(and weapon)
sacred socket
no
You have to kill the boss shown, with the fear
Okay cool wanted to confirm. Thanks!
cursive nacelle
how to hell do i get to talk with bouldy again
dont think you can
radiant ore
its in thr trailer
merry whale
i think u just have to luck into cerb not being there
radiant ore
i think u just have to luck into cerb not being there
dam
wispy storm
Returning to H1 right now for a little bit out of curiosity and wow it's staggering how much max mirror zag at only 16 heat feels like playing arcanaless mel xD
not being able to run is ruthless 
willow fog
Mel snowballs much harder yeah
Her only real limitations vs zag are single dash only + less hp at run start, but she can get much stronger
Hepastus is like a tank's dream
dusk whale
hey, you guys are smart
if i were to crank up the heat level would that clear future testament level challenges?
like if i could somehow set it to 32, do i need to do 2 runs or 8 per weapon?
nova oar
8 per wep
wispy storm
You can only clear the one set bounty
willow fog
It was like that in h1 too
wispy storm
Her only real limitations vs zag are single dash only + less hp at run start, bu...
Thing is, I think single dash only with sprint after ends up being less of a limitation per say than zag's double dash with absolutely no additional recourse afterwards, like, after your dash as mel you can weave around projectles at a really workable brisk speed, but with zag, you can't move around anything, you've got the one resource and that's it, you're either i-frames or you're scraping like a stone against pavement xD
willow fog
You also retain iframes briefly post dash
wispy storm
Thankfully yeah, I love the differences between the games, the H1 enemy cast are surprisingly scary to fight from my current viewpoint having gotten used to sprinting, come to think it might be a thing of when you're used to H1 you don't even feel the inclination to get away and aren't worried at all, just sorta knowing the "parry-timings"
wispy storm
100%!! and 4 boon rerolls with +1 per key is something
willow fog
Tbh hades in h1 was like
Most people capped out at 300hp
And his laser could go through that in six seconds
mystic ruin
Also ngl damage wise hades is still scarier
I'm only near the start but I've actually felt like h2 damage per chamber is way higher. But maybe that's just cause I have less health and healing rn than I've come to be used to
wispy storm
I'm loving how fun it is going back right now, despite being so different these games really stand beside each other equally imo
nova oar
I'm loving how fun it is going back right now, despite being so different these ...
I think hades 2 is just as tier above
strong rapids
i totally agree, as long as hades 1 has fists hades 2 can never fully replace it for me
wispy storm
Yeah like I've always thought that H2's combat is different and deeper rather than being outright better, because they both do things uniquely, the gamefeels are both suuuper worthwhile and one doesn't invalidate the other at all to me
willow fog
I'm only near the start but I've actually felt like h2 damage per chamber is way...
I meant the boss
Hades in H1 is scary even if you have a lot of hp
His laser in particular is basically tic damage
mystic ruin
Oh sorry. Yeah I could see it. Only attack Chronos has that really scares me damage wise is his scythe throw.
willow fog
Also melinoe has a lower hp ceiling than her brother
She caps out at 70hp with cards
But mel has more damage mitigation
She has busted damage mitigation options
Hep alone is absurd
-3hp off every hit taken is crazy value
15 armor per room too
mystic ruin
Chamber to chamber healing also seems a lot stronger in h2 than 1
nova oar
Oh sorry. Yeah I could see it. Only attack Chronos has that really scares me dam...
Wait until you fight the rivals
mystic ruin
Gulp
willow fog
The selene boon for healing is also crazy
15hp 3 times starting si garbage but the upgrades actually boost it by 15 lol
wispy storm
Yeah even without pain on these enemies are kinda chewing through me, and I'm running all this 
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/919729815031001141/1498259632500641843/image.png?ex=69f08284&is=69ef3104&hm=f8884346cdedc46350fa0aaa2862e8a905c253802f1b60aa5087557e8523385f&=&format=webp&quality=lossless (guess they removed the embed trick)
nova oar
The selene boon for healing is also crazy
someone hold me bakc
willow fog
So you can get 3 heals worth 75 hp with minor point investment
What even do you use for selene boon
nova oar
Twilight curse, wolf howl, or turn it into 500 gold
mystic ruin
Dark Side best hex 100%. Non-scaled damage that replaces your weapon and gives you I think 6 seconds of I frames
nova oar
Dark Side best hex 100%. Non-scaled damage that replaces your weapon and gives y...
Dark side is considered the worst hex btw
wispy storm
i think that be the bit
mystic ruin
Mhm!!!!
willow fog
Dark side is what? The nuke?
nova oar
That's total eclipse
willow fog
Oh the become masterblaster?
mystic ruin
No dark side is where you transform into evil melinoe
willow fog
Yeah its uh, not ideal
wispy storm
dark side is you turn into evil melinoe and blast the enemies with evil waves of -2 hps
mystic ruin
Crazy Melinoe but to a guy like me she's just normal melinoe
willow fog
The main draw is the iframes, but its essentially the h1 poseidon call
nova oar
It actually heals enemies
mystic ruin
I'm that twisted
willow fog
But even worse damage
wispy storm
It actually heals enemies
I'll believe it!
nova oar
Just a glimpse inside my dark and twisted mind
willow fog
Its more like a panic button when you get jumped by 4 things at 9nce
The raw damage is bad, I actually prefer the kamehameha
strong rapids
if you get godsent dark side you can stand inside of big hitboxes and spawn a bunch of heartthrobs
still not good. but at least funny
willow fog
The apollo version of that deals rly good damage
mystic ruin
Darkside made me think there'd be more transformation stuff but unfortunately not.
willow fog
The transformation blast is rly weak sadly
mystic ruin
Could've been an interesting direction
willow fog
I had the most value from rhe revive enemy one
wispy storm
Unfortunate that the godsent addition to hopefully add damage to Dark Side, the damage-branded hex with no damage is heartthrobs the damage-branded projectile with no damage
willow fog
Steal the healbot or the roided satyr
The dropdown slam might give effective iframes tho
Its not good but panic button priceless
wispy storm
My favorite thing about wolf howl is it can activate tranquil gain
which to me is really funny
willow fog
Gotta break that down, whar are both
nova oar
Dem gain and hex
tranquil wren
wolf howl lets you jump into the air and land down for damage, tranquil gain regens magick after you stay still for a bit
wispy storm
Wolf Howl is Mel jumps up into the air and crashes back down (you can aim it a bit) and Tranquil gain is let go of your controller to regain all your magic
tranquil wren
tranquil thinks you're staying still when you're using wolf howl
willow fog
It makes sense tbh
Lot of games treat you as static for "jump" animations
Elden ring has attacks where you look like you're jumping but retain a grounded hitbox
Its rly funny to grab someone out of a dive
mystic ruin
I imagine the game just checks to see if you're doing any inputs and if you're not it activates the regen
wispy storm
I think it's crazy that they buffed tranquil gain to have a bunch of ways to end up being "practically 100%" and it like actually worked i pick tranquil gain sometimes and enjoy it
willow fog
Is wolf howl good
nova oar
For iframes
willow fog
It doesnt seem ideal but I never saw the tree
willow fog
Its just 200 damage tho? Does it scale well?
mystic ruin
Oh does every hex have its own tree? I assumed they were the same layout.
wispy storm
same layouts different nodes i believe
nova oar
Oh does every hex have its own tree? I assumed they were the same layout.
They're different every time
mystic ruin
Ah I see
nova oar
same layouts different nodes i believe
both are different
wispy storm
neat
willow fog
Oh does every hex have its own tree? I assumed they were the same layout.
diff buffs
Its why I realized the hp skill gives good value
15hp x3 can easily become 75hp x5 per fountain
nova oar
I will strangle you
willow fog
Why do you hate it so much?
strong rapids
luthien simply has high fear tryhard brainrot
wispy storm
To be fair I also think that after the wow-factor wears off it becomes the least interesting hex to pick
nova oar
luthien simply has high fear tryhard brainrot
Only a little
wispy storm
Not really many synergies and experimentations to be had with packing yourself a lunchbox
willow fog
Tbf the other hexes can be liabilities
My first winning run on typhon was a scuffed farming run lol
I popped a dd vs scylla, another vs prometheus, and somehow bashed my way through the surface after
strong rapids
its not a bad pick if there isnt a better hex being offered, which isnt too uncommon. its definitely not that good at higher levels. but it is imo the best hex by far for newer players
willow fog
Ended at typhons door with 275 hp and all DDs back
No clue what brought me that luck but im not finding it again
willow fog
its not a bad pick if there isnt a better hex being offered, which isnt too unco...
Its idiot proof lol
strong rapids
indeed
willow fog
Ive gotten dinged up with the other hexes
Cuz you can end invincibility inside a hurtbox
strong rapids
maybe night bloom is good for a new player, its pretty hard to mess up. but getting a couple DDs worth of healing from your hex over the course of the run is still pretty wonderful when starting out
willow fog
Whats night bloom again?
willow fog
maybe night bloom is good for a new player, its pretty hard to mess up. but gett...
Tbh what stands out the most to me is that
-
activation hex cost is low
-
instapop healing
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fully controlled pop time
I save mine for region bosses and facetanked like 200 damage off eris
wispy storm
Whats night bloom again?
I always confuse the names of the sheep one and the summon buddy enemy one but it's one of those
willow fog
Not my best play but that hex let me get away with dumb
strong rapids
night bloom resurrects the last defeated enemy to fight for you, with big damage
willow fog
The summon enemy one is so good man
Usually you can offload a portion of your damage taken to them
Or revive one or chronoses healbots
For marginal healing lol, its so low
strong rapids
i just checked and my first successful run ever was actually a moon beam start with dark side 😭
willow fog
Dark side has its uses
merry whale
dark side gaming
willow fog
Turns you into furniture
merry whale
it's weird cuz i remember loving dark side godsent cuz heartthrob dps is cracked
willow fog
Funny enough the equivalent in H1 was actually more useful
Poseidon call let you tpose through things for decent damage
merry whale
but nowadays i know how to build strong af builds and obv i can't scale aphro godsent esp when i can't use my weapon so it ends up being a dps decrease even with godsent relative to my build dps
willow fog
It helps to not know whats optimal
I can choose silly boons without feeling.like im throwing
merry whale
very fair
merry whale
icarus keepsake actually go brr
strong rapids
tbh... if all of a weapons hammers are good, experimental hammer is pretty fun
merry whale
if u take it in oceanus it lasts for the rest of the run
assuming u take skips etc etc
and only take express route and don't get echo scammed
but most of time it lasts
willow fog
I mean, do you wanna roll the dice and get the final axe hit as your basic attack?
wispy storm
I always assume it won't last me through the last 2 biomes even though it probably will
wispy storm
mhm i always use icarus and chaos keepsake when i already know what i want and i never usually do get the one thing i was aiming for chaos at least usually it's no big deal and the effect is still okay lol
willow fog
Tbh the moros doom keepsake feels eh to me
merry whale
I mean, do you wanna roll the dice and get the final axe hit as your basic attac...
ye if it's an aspect where u don't want specific hammer then better to avoid
merry whale
like mel torch loves inverted but moros becomes a downgrade with inverted
willow fog
Inverted?
wispy storm
like mel torch loves inverted but moros becomes a downgrade with inverted
how so
willow fog
Im ngl I realize i fw the torches so much now
willow fog
Tho skulls are what im best at
strong rapids
moros pin gets way better at higher fear where theres actually a chance you could die in regular encounters, or you really need 10 seconds of invulnerability for a boss. in which case its S tier. but at low fear if youre not dying then its of course not doing anything
merry whale
it also causes mel torch to gain piercing effect which is huge and should be innate but it's not
prisma monolith
I know im in the minority, but I miss the old torches
merry whale
when u charged omega atk, all attacks following would be omega atk
so u could just spam like fine line etc
willow fog
Thats crazy
merry whale
u still can but u need sudden burst hammer + racing thoughts hermes
prisma monolith
Also axe block 🫣
willow fog
Like the fume knight greatsword lol
prisma monolith
Yeah, while charging the omega special you'd block
strong rapids
tbh i like new torches more, even though early access torches were my favorite weapon at the time
prisma monolith
Similar to the omega attack from the fists
willow fog
How were new torches buffed
prisma monolith
tbh i like new torches more, even though early access torches were my favorite w...
Sameee, old torches got me my first win
merry whale
i think new torches rn feel solid
willow fog
Btw I need 7 chronos kills and 2 typhon kills for ending right?
merry whale
just give mel torch innate piercing and we win
nova oar
Btw I need 7 chronos kills and 2 typhon kills for ending right?
8 and 5
willow fog
Its so difficult cuz I wanna do more surface runs for the resources
Ohh, ty, does the order matter?
prisma monolith
No
nova oar
First 7 and 4 dont no
merry whale
i remember during ea i was convinced moros flame was a placeholder
prisma monolith
You dont like spooky ghosts?
merry whale
turns out it's just meant to be a tall round cylinder thing
ah are they meant to be ghosts
willow fog
Whats the best aspect for each wep
prisma monolith
Looks like ghost to me
strong rapids
yeah, early access torches used to all have ghost flames
prisma monolith
They even have a face
strong rapids
now its just moros
willow fog
I fully expect "opinions"
merry whale
ig it didn't click to me that the eyes were meant to convey ghost
willow fog
Also what is up with the black coat
strong rapids
it is in fact a matter of opinion, i have like 2 favorites for each weapon
willow fog
Every other wep is understandable but idk what the normal gameplay is for the coat
Which ones are tjose?
bitter stirrup
Best way to play coat basically every weapon is to spam dash-strike and special
willow fog
Its just an axe then lol
merry whale
on controller u want to point ur stick at enemy before pressing special so it actually locks onto an enemy
merry whale
coat special is huge
willow fog
The missile barrage is decent iirc
merry whale
coat oatk sucks balls never use it
strong rapids
staff: circe and anubis
knives: i dont like knives. but morrigan i guess
torches: all 4 are goated, torches on top
axe: all except mel
skull: mel and medea
coat: umm nyx and shiva but i dont like coat too much either. shiva is mostly just for the lols
prisma monolith
I fully expect "opinions"
Idk about "best" but my fav of each bunch are
Staff momus
Knives artemis
Torches moros
Axe nergal
Skull hel
Coat melinoe
willow fog
Huh, im surprised mel coat is your preference
merry whale
the coat block is prob usable but honestly it's more trouble than it's worth to learn lmao
prisma monolith
Huh, im surprised mel coat is your preference
Zoom
merry whale
esp when coat block says "unblockable" and u suffer
willow fog
staff: circe and anubis
knives: i dont like knives. but morrigan i guess
torches...
If u want unwanted opinions the mel knife is actually quite good with the backstab damage
merry whale
like coat block should just greatly reduce "unblockable" dmg instead of punishing u for not knowing a move was unblockable
strong rapids
in hades 1 i also never liked remembering to try to backstab, its even harder in hades 2 because literally only like 2 things backstab and most runs dont use them
willow fog
like coat block should just greatly reduce "unblockable" dmg instead of punishin...
The unblockables dont make sense lmao
strong rapids
so i dont remember to XD
willow fog
in hades 1 i also never liked remembering to try to backstab, its even harder in...
Its 100% free damage for goign around 3 steps behind an enemy
prisma monolith
I always tried to bakcstab in both games, 1 cause extra dmg, and 2 force of habit
frosty veldt
If you get one of the daedalus hammers that has a wide attack on third hit, you can basically backstab any enemy from the front
prisma monolith
Pays off when im using melinoe dagger
merry whale
i really enjoy all staff aspects, mel blade, all torch aspects, mel axe, hel skull, and nyx coat
willow fog
Im team mel axe too tbh
prisma monolith
I do not like supay
strong rapids
mel dagger could be +500% damage and im still not gonna use those damn knives
willow fog
The other things are better damage wise but I play better when my power is from boons
merry whale
fair supay is weird
willow fog
Supay?
merry whale
blades just suffers cuz it's tk hell
willow fog
Tk?
frosty veldt
Im not a fan of supay either and I love flames
prisma monolith
Yeah flames are my fav weapon, but I dont like supay
strong rapids
supay is awesome, once you get a rush at least
willow fog
Flames are up there for me, but im realizing im a skull main
strong rapids
its one of the most unique and fun aspects, lets you play runs that you wouldnt play with any other aspect. zeus dash is fun, poseidon dash is fun too, hera dash is good i think
frosty veldt
Hel skull is really fun
willow fog
Skull or axe, which is funny cuz those 2 weps could not play more differently
I love magdumping skulls
prisma monolith
its one of the most unique and fun aspects, lets you play runs that you wouldnt ...
Def not fun for me, very boring gameplay
strong rapids
running around zapping with big lightning is just cool tbh
prisma monolith
To each their own
willow fog
Also skull omega special is the shield lunge in h1
strong rapids
and attack and special you can put curses (especially wounds and hitch) and apply it all the time for free while just running around
willow fog
That I know how to use
strong rapids
not really, you gotta run close to get the most of it, rush boons dont do much if youre far away generally
prisma monolith
Idk, not my thing
strong rapids
but a lot of people dont like supay
willow fog
Ive never done a run with coat
prisma monolith
Right but thats all you do, yiu just run
prisma monolith
Coat is simple, especially melinoe
strong rapids
i guess so, with skull all you do is mostly attack. with coat all i do is special
prisma monolith
Skull has you spam attacks then special to retrieve
willow fog
Or skull heavy is to reclaim skulls and chip
prisma monolith
I like thay combo
willow fog
I have no clue how black coat interacts with its moveset
willow fog
I like thay combo
Magdump into retrieve
prisma monolith
You attack and special
Coat is very simple
It doesnt combo within itself, you just pick what you want to do
prisma monolith
Similar to the axe
willow fog
Tbf axe omegas are both rly good
prisma monolith
Similar thing with the coat
willow fog
Not rly tho
prisma monolith
?
willow fog
Omega coat attack is bad
prisma monolith
How?
willow fog
Too slow windup for ok damage
prisma monolith
You just said you havent even used it, how do you know is bad