h2-discussion

[worldly mantle]

id rank Hera, Zeus, Heph, Apollo, Hestia, Aphro, Poseidon, Demeter, Ares

[torn wind]

But at the top you can never truly go wrong by having those three in your pool

[slim pike]

Posideon has fricking gyser spout, ocean swell, double up and ocean's bounty

Posideon can do a lot without cores

[worldly mantle]

id say hestia and aphro are pretty interchangable cuz theyre in their spots for different reasons and its hard to compare

[slim pike]

Hydraulic might is a speedrunnees dream

[torn wind]

Sea Star is funny, buried treasure is free gold, ocean swell and geyser spout are useless though on 90% of weapons

Hydraulic is amazing though I won’t argue against that

[worldly mantle]

i think pretty much every god is a good pick for a very sizeable chunk of aspects except for ares

[torn wind]

But it falls off on fear especially on hordes

Ares has a place only really in funny builds tbh

Like maxing the hell out of attack speed on Hel or torches

[slim pike]

Torches love ares unironically

Cut above builds are devastating there

[torn wind]

Oh don’t get me wrong I love ares torches. Special with ares + cut above + profuse + grievous goes HARD

But that’s an exception not an example for general viability

[worldly mantle]

ares has his place for sure. he just doesn't make the cut in most other areas

[slim pike]

Still not sure on his new legendary

[torn wind]

It would be good if profuse was a requirement

See above for my rant on that

[slim pike]

Thought it is funny to onetap enemies with hel with vicious strike

[worldly mantle]

in general early game ares feels so good

i just wish wounds scaled better

[torn wind]

Except with wards

[slim pike]

It's the reverse

[torn wind]

Then he’s ass early game

[worldly mantle]

yeah

[torn wind]

Ares is only good when he lets you one-shot stuff

[slim pike]

He feels better with his support boons

[worldly mantle]

50 damage just helps you one shot r1 so easily

but i never find ares builds picking up the slack later compared to alternatives

that being said i dont play ares build aspects

[whole remnant]

Ares has a lot of weird support boons, cut above is nice, idk i just feel Ares still requires you go hard on Ares and you are better off going hard on another god for said aspect

my best ares builds were 62f mel staff epic special grievous wounds and heinous affront with light smite

and a 50s Mel Coat Ares Attack Heinous Affront with Light Smite

lot of fun but needed the duo

[slim pike]

Rallying cry can carry a heph blaster build

[whole remnant]

yeah its a good fusion if you get 8 earth

[slim pike]

That odd earth x3 god run with cryopounder

[whole remnant]

but heph at 1.5/2 seconds goes pretty hard

thats how i cleared 62 dream dive with persephone despite Olympus finish which is probably worse than Tartarus

[slim pike]

Ash mountain?

[whole remnant]

blast and heaven flourish

well 4th biome olympus gives some goods

[torn wind]

@whole remnant

[whole remnant]

first its artificer bait early and a long start and just no good

[torn wind]

The best gods are the ones where you can slap them on ANYTHING and be happy

[whole remnant]

cut above is great

[torn wind]

Ares likes very specific stuff that doesn’t always synergize

[whole remnant]

blood spree is a nice safety net

[torn wind]

Useless on scars 3 but yes below that it’s viable

[whole remnant]

Meat Grinder with Air Quality is good

[torn wind]

Now you’re describing a lot of IF cases which was my point

[whole remnant]

yeah

[torn wind]

When ares is good he’s good. But WHEN is the issue

[whole remnant]

exactly

i agree with you

[torn wind]

I know just hammering it home why I wish they’d fix ares

[whole remnant]

Ares builds can be a lot of fun, but they're overshadowed by other gods, and his supporting boons still aren't up to snuff

[torn wind]

Also you said it’s good with air quality but like… so is arctic gale which doesn’t require me using omega cast

[whole remnant]

Arctic Gale is busted with AQ

[torn wind]

Absolutely

It’s so much free damage

Meat grinder isn’t free cause it makes you use one of the worst things in the game, omega casts

[whole remnant]

love storm ring arctic gale AQ on circe

[elfin heron]

I chickened out and did 40f instead. I need to actually practice Rivals Chronos, otherwise what is the point, I'll die to him and the whole run will be wasted

[whole remnant]

delete two groups quick with raki

[torn wind]

Were you really gonna skip all the way from never doing 40F all the way to 56?

Recall your image showing it as a fear record

[whole remnant]

yeah Omega casts suck besides Charon and we know high fear Charon's story

[elfin heron]

sure why not, I did 40F first try, I'm just scared of doing rivals 4 while all the other stuff is active

[torn wind]

50 to 56 is even a big jump

It took me a while to even go from 40 to 50

Turning on wards, return, pain, scars and hordes is a big deal

[elfin heron]

Dragon tried 56 and got all the way to Chronos without having cleared even 32f

so it's not that unusual

[whole remnant]

50 to 55 was a climb for me, then i kinda threw the rest on quick and did 62, besides some AXEspects

[torn wind]

Not saying it isn’t possible, congrats to them, but don’t treat it like that isn’t a massive feat

[worldly mantle]

40 to 50 is def a big jump, but i dont think its too bad

[whole remnant]

its totally unusual and they just said it shrug

i was sus on that but whatever

[torn wind]

Jumping 32 to 56 is a HUGE jump in difficulty cause 32 is practically free by comparison tbh

There’s a lot more stuff that can screw you over at 56

Not turning on pain and scars does make it a lot easier though

[elfin heron]

I just need to practice Rivals Chronos, then I can do it on time 2 scars 2 no void I'm pretty sure

[whole remnant]

yeah i doubt they actually almost cleared 56 just taking off what void/time/scars3?

[whole remnant]

pain and scars3 were my last vows

[nova oar]

It's not outside the realm of possibility

[torn wind]

That would be 57

Yeah pain 3 scars 3 are 60 and 62 tbh

[nova oar]

Timer allows you to just cheese most of the run if it's not on

[elfin heron]

I think Dragon said no void and no time

[torn wind]

Yeah you’re cheating yourself out of getting better if you don’t run time 3

[whole remnant]

thats not even 56

[torn wind]

No void no time is 56

[nova oar]

Without 5 minutes per region you can just play like a massive b**ch

[torn wind]

Time is 6 in total

[whole remnant]

oh yeah

[nova oar]

Still impressive but makes more sense

[torn wind]

Yeah no time lets you just run away in every fight

You’re never gonna beat 62 if you can’t play time 3

[whole remnant]

i'm counting time as 5 for some reason

[worldly mantle]

coat oattack

[torn wind]

Timing out to Hecate 50 times is a canon event

Time 3 should be a vow you run starting at 32 fear and never turning it off

[nova oar]

Even earlier tbh

[whole remnant]

still going from mid fear to 56 and throwing on max scars and pain and losing to chronos idk, its possible but it made me wonder

[nova oar]

They had no time on, so makes sense to me

[torn wind]

I mean I say above 32 just because of casuals going for 100%

[scenic gust]

30 Ohhhh how cute, the fear has some difficulty. 40 I'm sweating. 50 Stay back, you are asking for horror trauma

[whole remnant]

and frenzy 2

just get used to them

if you wanna keep moving up

[torn wind]

Yeah losing to Chronos cause you have to actually fight them and they’re hard even with unlimited time

So yeah when I say 56 fear I mean Pain 2 Scars 2 no return

EVERYTHING ELSE ON BUT VOID

[whole remnant]

my mistake was doing rivals 4 time and frenzy 1 and between 32 and 40 relearning the rivals adding frenzy 2

[nova oar]

Hecate is easy to dodge, sirens is annoying but if you take out a few tentacles you can just stall, cerb you just run from, chronos is hard tho, with pain 3

[torn wind]

Yeah I never did any of the rivals fights without frenzy 2

[worldly mantle]

i dont remember what the game is like without frenzy on imma be so fr

[whole remnant]

my 32 loadout had VOR4 frenzy 1 time 3

so i had to add frenzy 2

and relearn rivals betweeen 32 and 40

hiccup

[torn wind]

Yeah it’s genuinely funny though watching other people play frenzy 2, even though you play it yourself, and going “damn the game really looks like that wtf”

[scenic gust]

Frenzy 3 = Scream time.... Here comes Johnny. Plus with the minion perk that has sandal on it.

[torn wind]

Frenzy 3 doesn’t exist…

Not unless you’re in dream dive and there’s speed scaling

[scenic gust]

It does, With the Sandal perk

[whole remnant]

dream dives have me hooked

[worldly mantle]

i havent tried them yet

ive been so locked in on anyfear

mostly UW rn

[torn wind]

Dream dives are fun for casual play but it’s frustrating trying to take it seriously tbh

[worldly mantle]

they seem fun

[scenic gust]

Sea serpent sandal perk and Frenzy. Good bye extra life. Harpies with Sandal and Vortex are rage baiting too

[worldly mantle]

i said this earlier i think but my plan after i plateau or reach my goals in anyfear is to run dream dive random aspect jpom no reset

[whole remnant]

i have as many dream dive aspect clears than surface at 62 lol i have been very lucky with calling card pivots

[worldly mantle]

would be good stream content when i finally have the internet to stream again

[whole remnant]

and i have mel/circe staffs and non madea skulls on surface plus pan tk slop

[torn wind]

Dream dive adds a little extra roguelike flair to the game since you never know what might be coming up

[whole remnant]

very lucky with my starting zones and getting ephyra in the mix

[elfin heron]

you know what, I think I should just make a save backup and practice Frenzy 2 RIvals 4 with death+antler until I win, then I'll be able to do 50+
wish there was a boss practice mode so that I didn't need to cheat, but this will work too

[torn wind]

Turn on time 3 and don’t cheat yourself out of 50+ fear being an actual challenge

[scenic gust]

Dream dive----> Nightmare scream.... First world Oceanus or Tartarus is funny

[torn wind]

If you play 50+ fear without time 3 then the game just becomes “can I beat rivals chronos”

[whole remnant]

Fields and Thessaly have been my jam for dive starts

Oceanus isn't bad, Scylla is nerfed

for r1

[torn wind]

And buffed for every other region

[elfin heron]

it's still high fear, I don't plan to do 60+, too spicy for my old reflexes, I'm a freaking unc, likely older than everyone here

[whole remnant]

but most of my 62f wins have started in fields or thessaly

i'm 39

old millenial

[elfin heron]

oh we're the same age lmao

[whole remnant]

married no kids is the secret here

[torn wind]

I’m just saying that being able to play at a slow pace and evade enemies by just walking away for way more time than Time 3 you’re able to make decisions that simply don’t fly at higher fear

[whole remnant]

kids beat ya down, we went cats

[worldly mantle]

my goal

[torn wind]

90% of the difficulty of high fear underworld is beating the timer in Erebus

If you can beat the timer in Erebus and get past Scylla you’ve already won

[whole remnant]

and chronos timer! depending on aspect

[worldly mantle]

im 22 tho i got time

[torn wind]

Yeah chronos time outs do hurt

[elfin heron]

wait, you told me in the other channel that hordes 3 is bad, and now you're saying I should take time 3 as well lol

[worldly mantle]

hordes 3 sucks by every measure can confirm

[torn wind]

Yeah… you don’t turn on hordes until 56 fear

[nova oar]

Why are you all so old

[elfin heron]

how old is Boated btw, anyone know? think he's a millenial too

[torn wind]

Hordes without timer is basically free

[worldly mantle]

i dont know the guy

[torn wind]

But hordes with timer is painful

[whole remnant]

we were born prior to the 90s i think

just a guess

[nova oar]

[worldly mantle]

that being said its not like i ask any of the other runners i do know about their ages anyway

[elfin heron]

it's just Boated mentioned playing Gamecube games as a kid, so definitely not gen-z, probably a late millennial, idk

[torn wind]

But for real like play the game how you want but hordes without timer is not a challenge

[worldly mantle]

i played gamecube as a kid and im 22

[torn wind]

Game cube isn’t that old

[nova oar]

Definitely 25-30 at least

[whole remnant]

when i was a kid i played SNES and N64

[nova oar]

Although depends

[whole remnant]

and PS1

[worldly mantle]

i just had a next door neighbor with a GC and we played smash bros and golden eye on it

[elfin heron]

my first game ever was Super Mario Bros on the NES

[nova oar]

I had an Atari 64 growing up

[torn wind]

Believe it or not people are able to play games that are from before they were old enough to play them

[whole remnant]

boated is probably a handful of years younger than me if i were to guess based on context but this is getting weird talking about dudes age lol

[nova oar]

[whole remnant]

this too

[torn wind]

I grew up on N64. Doesn’t mean I was born when it was released

[worldly mantle]

yeah i feel weird speculating about a dude ive never met

[nova oar]

How old are you?

[torn wind]

25

[nova oar]

[worldly mantle]

which is why i didnt engage much

[elfin heron]

fair enough, just curious how much you can push yourself while still in your 30's

[whole remnant]

wanna trade ages

[nova oar]

I'm the youngest in the room

[worldly mantle]

old. ancient. practically dust.

[torn wind]

I’ll keep my ability to stand up without groaning thank you

[worldly mantle]

young. egg. practically dust.

[torn wind]

I’ve got a few years left before that happens

[nova oar]

[worldly mantle]

why is volkov here

[whole remnant]

i can stand up fine although my left knee is bad but car crash related

[nova oar]

You know ball????

[worldly mantle]

i used to be semi pro in brawlhalla

quit a while back tho

[nova oar]

I would be trying to go pro if brawlhalla still held tournaments in my region 😒

[whole remnant]

motor skills if used are generally pretty strong into 40s

like practiced

[torn wind]

Brawlhala is cool other than the fact it is Brawlhala

[nova oar]

Real

[elfin heron]

I 100%'d Cuphead last year with sub 200 deaths, so I'm kinda okay at bullet hells

[whole remnant]

if you're a gamer and don't let up you can push

[nova oar]

[torn wind]

As somebody who has never played Brawlhala all I ever hear is that it is both amazing and absolute utter garbage

[worldly mantle]

they never had any in mine, they completely ignored US-W, i never truly got to compete since i was literally gonna go to bcx... when covid hit. i was mostly just a high ranker lol

[worldly mantle]

i mostly say semi-pro cuz thats the skill level at my ladder ranking rather than the tournament placing

[nova oar]

Ah fair lol, i'm currently top 100 in aus but since the scandle of '21 there's been no real way to go compete at bcx

[worldly mantle]

it was great. then they let it go, and it hasnt been the same since

[nova oar]

It's been making a comeback, I will say

[nova oar]

Yeah wasn't West one of the smaller regions

[worldly mantle]

with terrible servers

[torn wind]

Isn’t there that upcoming money match for some streamer to take even a single stock off the #1 player or something

[nova oar]

Marckiemoo? Yeah, and he'd do it too

I could do it lmfao

[worldly mantle]

i dabble in RoA2 as my platform fighter of choice nowadays, would recommend

tho i cant actually play much now since my internet is too bad

[nova oar]

oooo ok, i've never really had the spare cash for it

[worldly mantle]

i went to genesis to compete in it but did terribly cuz i hadnt been able to practice in over half a year lol

[torn wind]

Streamer said they’ve never played the game before didn’t even know what it was and said he could do it lol

[worldly mantle]

also my round 1 was 5th place at the genesis before that lol

[nova oar]

Pretty sure it was jynxi

[torn wind]

Yeah that dude

[nova oar]

Did the same thing with rocket league

[bitter stirrup]

And Geometry Dash

[nova oar]

And clash royale

[worldly mantle]

its good content

[torn wind]

They got streamer ego

[worldly mantle]

never liked his content tho

[placid sonnet]

Is it just me or does Vow of rivals Eris feel like a pushover? I have an easier time with her on rivals than her base form

[torn wind]

And yeah like who gives a damn about winning they’d make more in money off content and donations than the prize money lol

[worldly mantle]

full agree

[torn wind]

Normal Eris folds like wet paper and never flies away so idk I’ve never actually had to fight her

The fact rivals eris even makes you fight her is enough to make her harder

Even if her move set is technically easier

Like I think people just stink at killing normal Eris if they genuinely find her harder tbh

[nova oar]

Wouldn't work for brawl tho really

[elfin heron]

they're both about the same difficulty for me, I've never lost to Rivals Eris though

[worldly mantle]

full agree when you have a build with intent, playing casually and just taking whatever means you do actually fight the boss a little bit

[elfin heron]

Rivals 2 underworld is way harder funnily enough, what is this difficulty curve

[torn wind]

You guys don’t make actual builds when playing casually?

Half the fun of playing casually is I get all the builds the game never lets me get on actual runs

[worldly mantle]

tbh i dont think theres any way hed get a stock off of me even after having not played in like 3+ years

[torn wind]

That’s why surface high fear loses in Olympus and not Ephyra or Thessaly

[worldly mantle]

when i was running casually i just wanted to free-ball and take whatever i thought was best from what the game gave me. love the randomness

[elfin heron]

I don't hunt specific duos and legendaries, if they drop then cool, but also whatever, I only care about the core boons synergizing well

[worldly mantle]

even before jpom

i had come from hades 1 running and wanted a break from going for anything consistent

[torn wind]

Ephyra and Thessaly are basically free but Olympus can absolutely bend you over on time (again something that you’re really not experiencing the difficulty of the game if you don’t have maxed)

[elfin heron]

Hades 1 is different, you either have a build or you don't, so e.g. when you take Ares you always want to go for Merciful End (or Hunting Blades)
but Hades 1 also lets you play with re-rolls, no drawbacks

[torn wind]

Rivals Prometheus isn’t really a fight unless you have <2 minutes to kill them

[nova oar]

The difference between diamond/valhallan and beginner is just too insurmountable, especially when there's no way to get lucky

[torn wind]

All I know it’s it’s not like smash where a player can actually do alright by just mashing

As long as they know HOW to mash

And aren’t fighting like a kazuya or Steve

[worldly mantle]

depends on who you play

id say a masher still has no shot against a skilled player

but its more likely than a game thats faster / has more movement or has more defensive tech

[torn wind]

Well yeah but just meaning like you can BS your way into getting 1 stock off somebody

[worldly mantle]

like brawlhalla or roa2 or nasb2 etc

[nova oar]

Wouldn't happen

[worldly mantle]

even in smash

[torn wind]

Shouldn’t but can

[worldly mantle]

let me put it this way. i only dabble in smash and i have no worries about 3 stocking a masher

[torn wind]

“Wouldn’t” means the better player NEVER once makes a mistake

[worldly mantle]

its really easy to not make a mistake against mashing

[nova oar]

If markie tries, it would be literally impossible for him to lose to jynxi

[worldly mantle]

mistakes almost always come from forced decision making or difficult tech. the latter of which smash ult doesnt have, and the former of which doesnt happen against mashing

[torn wind]

Whatever. The point got missed cause I was talking about “good” players not top players

Im agreeing with you about markie

[worldly mantle]

i still disagree but i dont think further pushing the point is going to be helpful here so lets move back to hades because this is a channel for that game specifically

[whole remnant]

wait this is a hades 2 channel

thought i got lost

[nova oar]

[worldly mantle]

no actually its where we discuss zork in the format games are meant to be experienced: text

[nova oar]

I actually really like zork

I have the anthology on steam

[worldly mantle]

i thought it was fine

anyway, this hades 2 game

i think its pretty cool

[nova oar]

Ikr

[whole remnant]

dream dives and slightly improved ares am i rite

[nova oar]

Ares superiority

[placid sonnet]

Every time I run into Hephaestus I honestly don't know when or how to fit him into my build

Idk what's good with him

[nova oar]

Everything, and nothing

He really gets going with rarity and poms, but falls flat otherwise

[worldly mantle]

really really good auxiliary boons

trusty shield my beloved

[torn wind]

Free armor

Trusty shield is god tier on high fear

[worldly mantle]

and for wantler

[torn wind]

Security system is amazing for speed

[worldly mantle]

also amazing for wantler

[torn wind]

If you’re running a magick weapon then Uncanny Fortitude is potentially a ton of free health

[worldly mantle]

especially for learning wantler

[worldly mantle]

yeah tru

[torn wind]

Heph’s secondary boons are all honestly pretty worthwhile

He’s not a god you ever hate to see

[worldly mantle]

if youre on a % damage build getting the extra armor damage is great

[torn wind]

Also master conductor 🐐

His duos are almost all based around blasts though

[worldly mantle]

one of my fastest chronos fights was a really silly all heph build

[torn wind]

And brave face is… bad

[worldly mantle]

yeah

[torn wind]

But like Heph is a stupidly good support god on high fear

Kinda whatever if you don’t need the armor and all

But still insane for how aggressive he lets you play with security system and trust shield

[placid sonnet]

Kinda cool if you get double moonshot with his special and high rarity and some poms

But that's pretty rare

[torn wind]

Dual moonshot… does nothing with his special what do you mean

[placid sonnet]

It doesn't? Didn't know that

[torn wind]

It doesn’t magically give you a second blast lol

[placid sonnet]

I'm new ish

[worldly mantle]

yeah the blast hits once on a timer

[torn wind]

Nah the heph blasts work on a cooldown and when you hit something with that move it does it where the enemy is and that’s it

[nova oar]

Regardless of what aspect or hammers you have

[torn wind]

It hits an area but you don’t get anything other than a single blast (not counting chain reaction but that just hits the enemies hit by the first blast a second time)

[worldly mantle]

it would be so cracked if it could multi-hit like if i could trigger it on exhaust riser

x6 heph blast would melt the whole game

[torn wind]

Chain reaction would be cracked if it reactivated the effect in the area even if the first blast killed all the original enemies lol

[placid sonnet]

Never see anyone talk about his cast, is it bad?

[torn wind]

It does a lot of damage and is still better than sword ring

[worldly mantle]

no its pretty solid it just doesnt have a curse attached and doesnt trigger origination so its not common

[whole remnant]

that matters sub 65

65+ his cast is good damage but no CC

[torn wind]

Yeah Heph’s major drawback is his only curse is from Furnace Blast which is a secondary that only works on his blasts not including his cast

If furnace blast affected cast that would be nuts

[nova oar]

Glow has to be the most ignored curse

[torn wind]

I love glow

[whole remnant]

glow is amazing

[worldly mantle]

it would be so good if it was at all consistent

[nova oar]

Fr

[whole remnant]

glow on heroic volcanic strike ran my mel coat 62 dd

[torn wind]

If glow like affected an area where the blast hits instead of only applying to enemies hit by the blast that would be cool

[worldly mantle]

i love it with launcher frame heph spec

free damage buff for the rest of my build

[whole remnant]

i did have shrockets and blitz on them for first biome to survive

so that helped obv

[torn wind]

Glow is very mid if you have long cooldowns but on short cooldowns it’s nuts

[whole remnant]

but when i used calling card to get heroic volcanic strike and nitro boost plus i got rare glow

i could dash strike every 2 seconds then unload

blitz everywhere going off then dash strike that was the combat loop

melted the hordes

[torn wind]

Heph is an amazing support god and anywhere from an okay to godly main god

[whole remnant]

yep

[torn wind]

Depending on rarity and Poms entirely

Heph without Jpom and rarity is garbage

Like genuinely near unplayable with how long it takes

[whole remnant]

blasts and zeus special ran my persephone DD the only DD i beat promocles realm 4

[nova oar]

If you could have heph starting at 2 seconds, you reckon he'd be better than zeus

Same duos and damage

[torn wind]

Calling it dream dives makes the acronyms so much more confusing lol

[whole remnant]

lol ya

[slim pike]

Chain reaction makes the second blast benefit from the glow of the first

[torn wind]

Oh yeah if it was easier to get 2 second timers he’d be god tier. Though you can go all in on the Demeter, Poseidon, Heph trio for steady growth and sea star

[whole remnant]

i had 2 second blasts on heph for both my dream dives he came up big

[slim pike]

And if that glow triggers origination...

[whole remnant]

its gotta be like 4 seconds or under, pref 3

[torn wind]

Oh trust me I’m aware I love chain reaction it just never loves appearing for me

I 100% know the use of it with glow

[whole remnant]

HAVE ANOTHER

[slim pike]

I never seem to get rude awakening these days

Easily the best blast support boon

[torn wind]

I had one run reaching Eris with a common steady growth that hit my heph attack and special all 3 times it was beautiful

I had a heroic and a rare heph by the time I reached Eris

With multiple Poms

[torn wind]

Chain reaction is only not as good because it can’t happen on first use and goes away if the enemies don’t perfectly line up with the timer

It’s a shame

[whole remnant]

epic pommed heph attack on supay with zeus special and AQ/arctic ring and gale is dream supay build too

or hestia with hidden helix on special

[slim pike]

More thst usually the first blast is fatal

[whole remnant]

supay needs a lot of help for 62

can't imagine 65

my supay 62 clear was busted

poseidon waves hidden helix on special reached 14 because echo so 100 damage each and breaker rush and king tide

and Heaven Strike

[torn wind]

Well no I just mean like I have to wait until my second use to even get any benefit of chain reaction

So can’t use it right away when I enter a room then have to hope the second use lines up

If enemies spawn at a bad time I lose chain reaction

[slim pike]

Well yeah. But eh, pretty free to proc on some aspects

[whole remnant]

also bridal glow hit breaker rush so it was heroic 6

[torn wind]

Holy damage scaling

[whole remnant]

and was cast for link damage

breaker or AQ Heat Rush for supay imo. nexus works though on a strong build very well

i loved supay 32-50

wish it weren't trash later

[slim pike]

Nexus is fighting a little with sworn flourish

On supay

[whole remnant]

i usually go on hits and if they're strong nexus

if possible

orrrr breaker rush, or if you can get AQ Heat Rush since the pom scales so poorly

hera usually not on attack/spec for my 62 clear or attempts, lower runs sure

usually the three main on hits or high rarity heph

[slim pike]

Blitz is blitz, yeah

[whole remnant]

my actual clear was insane poseidon waves like i said, hidden helix, wave flourish at 14 thx echo

thats a rare 14 iirc

heaven strike epic and breaker rush was rare but got bridal glow and used hera cast

thats how i remember it

waves did the most damage on final results

with epic and hidden helix spinning triple 100 waves eventually

lego not epic

most supay attempts i timed out in erebus

that one got off the ground

artificer breaker rush immediately and zeus door for epic already ate my onion for health!

then helix off artifier crazy draws, last was useless magick since i didn;t use a gain or anything but boon/hammer is sick

only torch left is mel flames but they're kinda trash unless you get like one of two specific builds

ive been trying momus and shiva recently. trying to play each aspect almost like a weaker version sucks esp momus

momus going weak mel staff approach and omegas when i can, shiva dash cancel then hit at least shiva hits hard as hell

pretty much did all the aspects i was competent with and now here we are

[nova oar]

Shiva still my favourite aspect

[whole remnant]

haven't rolled arty for tk yet but sick of rolling for tk unless i try a mel blades surface. pan was easiest surface with tk/rapture ring, along with Hera attack/hestia special and gain with PA leaving Ephyra. so might try mel blades surface but taking a break and focusing on dives and finishing up do able 62 aspects in UW, basically not axes. 60 Nergal dropping Wards was my best i could muster, 58 Mel Axe Dashing Heave no Wards/Scars3. i just am not good high fear with axes. at mid fear i dominated with charon but it falls off

Shiva is good i just am getting used to playstyle high fear

[nova oar]

Are you using the omegas on shiva at all?

Oh yeah sucks ass past 55

[whole remnant]

as many as i can

when i can charge and omega a group sure but mostly doing special - dash - cancel - attack

[nova oar]

Best way to play it is ignore the destructive thing, throw an ospecial, and then charge an oattack in that special

[whole remnant]

since the dash strike sucks

[nova oar]

Only do that

[whole remnant]

yeah its a rarity you get a good +6 to finish a room off

i use the dash cancel street fight loop a lot since it hits hard

but you can get an o spec and o attack +3 back to back off if magick obtained+hubris allows

just later you're dragged down without Hecuba boost which I used a lot pre 60-62

i did clear shiva at 60 with scars3 off but that allows you to be a little crazier

so momus and shiva 62 are current targets

[nova oar]

The only time I ever charged up to +6 was the prom cutscene

[whole remnant]

Momus i am trying to basically play it weak mel staff because the magick problem and frenzy problem

surprised someone cleared that one at 67 before anubis still uncleared

[nova oar]

Isn't that how everyone plays it anyway?

[nova oar]

Yeah cause it's still staff, and anubis is super low base damage

[whole remnant]

well high fear yeah but it sucks. staff is staff yes, but momus is pretty gimped

it does have a 67 clear

but a cracked anubis build could probably do it

of the 4 i bet on anubis

[nova oar]

Just a matter of time

[whole remnant]

thanatrash and supay aren't happening at 67

anubis is my guess for next, charon was tried but didn;t get there idk its ahead of the other two for sure

more refreshing than Hades where it was Zeus Shield for max Heat

i stopped Hades in mid heat did anyone clear max heat using other aspects eventually?

[nova oar]

Someone did it on rama

[whole remnant]

when i stopped it was like a few had cleared with zeus shield that was it iirc. honestly hades 2 i prefer i got way more into it with new casts, magick, etc... felt more driven to push high fear

and hades 2 has better balance of aspects and gods

[nova oar]

Balance is much better

[whole remnant]

no zag sword/spear/shield/rail crap

Mel actually has some of the best aspects lol

[nova oar]

Even if Kor keeps crashing out about it

That's one of the biggest suprises for new players is that mel aspects are really good outside of torches

[whole remnant]

id put Mel Staff on top for versatility, Mel Skulls top tier

Mel Coat best high fear coat IMO

i prefer the speed boost to nyx nightspawn

[nova oar]

Mel skull is incredibly versatile too

[whole remnant]

Mel Skull is my best aspect

one of the triple 62 clears

each mode/route

[nova oar]

One of my favourite jpom aspects because it works well with pretty much any attack and special

[whole remnant]

only mel staff, circe, mel skull, and persphone have triple clears

@ 62

i staff i skull (mostly)

shrockets and tk slop as they call it

morrigan and hel both regular routes

pan both

mel coat UW/dream dive

but only four all three and Mel Skull was dominant, love it

Axe is good with dashing heave high fear but pretty limited

but yeah other mel aspects are fire 🔥

[slim pike]

I've managed to make mel torches work but you really gotta lean on the oAttack

[bitter stirrup]

I just rolled for Gigaros Hidden Helix on Mel Flames lol

It goes so far with just a special boon

[tired iris]

Why the hell does dodging typhon's chin smash become impossible while using the black coat? I just got hit by it five times in a row and died at the end of an easy run.

Or was there something else making it so dodging just didn't work?

[nova oar]

If it was mel coat the move speed might have messed you up

[worldly mantle]

could be that for sure

other thing is if youre trying to continue chaining dash attacks, the attack is gonna shorten your invulnerability and slow you down so the timing for that is more precise

in general it most certainly can be dodged

it just might take some getting used to

[whole remnant]

actually the best Mel Flames build is Zeus special and AQ or Aphro Special and Slow Cooker

the Ocean Swell/Fine Line Ripple Effect build is... ok but isn't gonna pump like the special crits can

[whole remnant]

hidden helix is part of build and gig dash makes it easier

the mel flames surface 67 i think did zeus special/AQ no attack boon

[whole remnant]

usually the speed should help, no>

?

[slim pike]

I get slow cooker, but blitz won't crit from mel flames

[whole remnant]

no but you activate it tons

very fast

[slim pike]

Arcflash?

[nova oar]

If you're not used to it you can overshoot

[whole remnant]

no just reg special i think

with hidden helix

and AQ you proc it immediately

the only mel flames 67 surface (i havent even watched a 67 UW vid) used that strategy, Heaven Flourish Hidden Helix

and cleared crazy fast

[bitter stirrup]

Yeah it had AQ with Arctic Gale and Engagement Ring

[whole remnant]

purple i think?

yeah thats the ticket

[tired iris]

It was Nyx coat.... I wasn't trying to do anything special, just dodge like I always do. Except I failed every single time and have no idea why

[whole remnant]

it had a rush too

idremember rush boon on the build

[tired iris]

What's the right way to use the black coat, anyway? I've already got all three skelly statues and I haven't won a single run with that goofy thing yet

[bitter stirrup]

Probably just Blinding lol

[whole remnant]

Shimmering Rockets and Hera/Zeus/Hestia special is popular

Exhaust Riser and an on hit attack too

[nova oar]

Might’ve just been a momentary skill issue

[tired iris]

Which aspect is best for the coat?

[nova oar]

Nyx or mel

[whole remnant]

yeah depends if you want nightspawn or speed/attack speed bonus

i lean mel coat for high fear for speed esp with blinding rush or nitro boost, for mid fear nyx is pretty great if you get the omega boost nightspawn cycle down, same for high fear but maybe a lil riskier at least in my opinion and Nightspawn doesn't effect bosses really besides some range when activated

but really they both are pretty close

matter of taste really imo

[azure cave]

Wdym, doesnt the omega Special After a Nightspawn proc swarm boss with Hestia/Poseidon Rockets?

[nova oar]

Nightspawn doesnt give more hits on the same target

[bitter stirrup]

Also doesn't affect the omegas

[shadow grotto]

I give up on anubis staff

it justit does not feel good man

[scenic gust]

It's fun on Low-med Fear.

[torn wind]

Spam omega special and vacuum everything into the explosion

[shadow grotto]

I use it with hestia attack, hera cast, and the zeus boon that zaps when you deal damage

[scenic gust]

you could try with Demeter Hestia and Zeus. Hera isn't that much of a combo on Anubis except her Omega rift

[torn wind]

Hera on attack is good

[shadow grotto]

nah

the damage is too slow for the hera attack

[torn wind]

Because you’re trying to use the normal attack as a main source of damage

The omega attack does far more damage

And you should be just using attack for area control then using omega special and omega attack for damage

The attack and omega attack with Hera hitches in an even larger area than your cast then you just nuke everything with omega special

Just speaking from the perspective of speedrunning Anubis

Hera attack is 100% viable if you don’t go for Poseidon or Zeus attack

I’ve even played aphro or ares attack

[shadow grotto]

it's too slow it makes me wide open for attacks especially from the annoying fast ones that's why I just don't use it

[torn wind]

Use your cast to hold them back first

Or dash away before attacking so they run into it

Anubis forces you to make the enemies chase you or you have to pull them into your zone with specials

You can play Anubis offensively but that mostly only works with omega attack and omega special

Since you can dash while channeling the omega attack

So you can dash in from safety

[shadow grotto]

I did try the hera attack some point I think

[torn wind]

#h2-victory-boasting message

[scenic gust]

You can play Anubis creatively without the need of thinking too much. Especially with or without hammers. As long as you have any boon in your set

[torn wind]

Check this if you want a reference of how to play Anubis on bosses

I don’t have a clip on normal encounters on hand

[scenic gust]

ah yes, cursed land Anubis with Light smite

[shadow grotto]

I think I remember yeah it does work but I just swapped it for hestia attack because the burn is satisfying

[torn wind]

“Step into my safety bubble and my cousin will smite you”

[scenic gust]

Ares/Hestia Omega duo boon is insane too, for Single target

Charge the Omega then release. With Night it could Critical both your O.Attack and O.Special

[shadow grotto]

I need to try that

I didn't get that duo boon on this aspect yet

[torn wind]

Yeah fourth degree controlled burn is super strong on Anubis

Controlled burn at all is super strong on Anubis

It has an insane amount of base damage

Like double fine line and triple ocean swell

250 base damage I think at common with JPom

310 at epic

[shadow grotto]

I need a new arcana build

ya'll just run with strength all the time or is it just me?

[halcyon rain]

I run strength until I need to turn on pain/grit/hordes/scars

[whole remnant]

i play 62 max scars so DD is the only way to heal

[elfin heron]

I've only used Death a few times, for the Toula prophecy + some Chaos trials force it

[whole remnant]

strength frinos for nergal tho

[shadow grotto]

62???

[whole remnant]

kinda flip flops through the game which is better and it depends on aspcts too

[shadow grotto]

I got an idea now

[whole remnant]

62 fear yes, i see a few people in this channel who i have seen in the high fear channel in the speedruning discord

[torn wind]

Still working on my 62 UW

Got very very close on a surface 62

[whole remnant]

i only have a few surface 62

the basics

[halcyon rain]

i'm doing 40f all aspects dream dives but the last one will be 62 with mel staff

[whole remnant]

skulls not madea though i trip myself up on surface with madea, mel staff, circe, pan tk

Mel Staff was my first 62 Dream Dive

[tranquil wren]

why are you not green anymore

[torn wind]

Probably just didn’t click the role assignment after probably leaving and rejoining the server last week

Since I assume they were here before that

[bitter stirrup]

Nah I think they were talking about disc0 lol

[whole remnant]

Mel Staff was my first 62 attempt and actually cleared, started very lucky 2/3 with Circe clear on second try (dream dives)

[bitter stirrup]

Pyre role

[whole remnant]

Calling Card on both second I was convinced it would be meta for DDs with unsureness but then overall Mel Coat was my only other 62 DD I used Calling Card second, although my win % is higher

[halcyon rain]

me?

[whole remnant]

If I have important core slot unfilled i do calling card since a lot of times that happens and good purges arent guaranteed may end up purging onions and some bones

[halcyon rain]

I've been playing pyre and that name color is cool

[tranquil wren]

lol fair

[halcyon rain]

yall play pyre it's so good

[whole remnant]

rather have heroic core attack +4 and a heroic hermes than two extra boons

attack or special

but only if i feel shaky like circe no special leaving fields, mel coat no attack leaving thessaly

got sworn flourish heroic with shimmering moonshot after melting swipe first hammer on circe and mel coat got heroic volcanic strike and nitro boost

so Calling Card can be real good in Dream Dives even high fear

[azure cave]

On a Medea Run Hestia/Heph Is a no go on Attack/special right? Hera would be Better?

[whole remnant]

same for mel staff i left fields with flutter flourish/rapture ring/blinding rush and zeus in pool so went for heroic blitz on attack, got hasty retreat epic to heroic and idk threw remaining charges elsewhere. but i had been practicing the day before Dives no forfeit no debt so i was used to calling card going in. but others runs like skull wins i went time piece because at least had attack/spec and gain for mel skulls

Hera is good attack on Madea

[nova oar]

Hestia attack heph special is fine

[whole remnant]

really lots works on madea

[nova oar]

But hera is better

[whole remnant]

heph you want higher rarity

i prefer % on madea but like zeus is really good for example so depends

[azure cave]

At the moment I have Aphrodite with Glamour Gain only as a God and possibility of Aphro Strike +4, those are my Ephyra options

[whole remnant]

Flutter Strike is good on Madea, only hammer its good on lol

Madea already does so much damage boonless its flexible but assuming 62 or below want to proc origination and % attack if possible

but weak is already curse

[azure cave]

That means Hera/Aphrodite would be best Path then

Scorch Is a curse too tho, Just not a percentage one

[whole remnant]

shrug depends

[azure cave]

(its 20 fear nothing over the top)

[whole remnant]

its really flexible i like hera attack, but aphrodite is good

yeah low fear should be fine if you can play the aspet well enough

but like other said hera best option you listed

[tacit knoll]

Chaos is the Father of Nyx, right?

[elfin heron]

yes

[whole remnant]

Chaos was before all

then the Titans ruled, the golden age, then the Gods

[tacit knoll]

true

ty

[slim pike]

Well, Chaos is the Parent of nyx. Gender is kind of an odd thing to attribute to chaos

[nova oar]

I've seen 3 people banned because they won't stop misgendering them

[tranquil wren]

imagine dying on such a pointless hill

[lean dove]

bewiiitching eeyeezzzz

[tranquil wren]

such a banger

[lean dove]

i wish there was a scylla emoji lowkey

[tacit knoll]

this new gamemode is insanely harder than the original game

[nova oar]

That's the way it was coded

[lean dove]

im still struggling with the rivals fights on regular runs lol

ive only done dream dives with them turned off

[tacit knoll]

i got it first try, but when i got a RIVALS TYPHON as the first boss, i got cooked

[lean dove]

ironically i find typhon to be the easiest rivals fight for some reason

[nova oar]

He's a damage check more than anything

[lean dove]

yea i find chronos to be way harder

[nova oar]

Most people do

[halcyon rain]

i mean he's pretty weak r1

what I actually fear is r4 rivals hecate

[real scarab]

That may be the worst after r4 rivals heroes

[lean dove]

doomed city is such a banger

[tacit knoll]

hell nah

it is like WAY faster than R4 Typhon (regular run)

[split island]

Doing a dream dive, and selected Chaos keepsake.

I then got Cherished Heirloom and my chaos boom didn’t upgrade to heroic.

[halcyon rain]

i think it'll only go to heroic when it switches up

[split island]

Yeah you are correct.
Maybe SG wants to keep Chaos balanced, but I believe they generally favor instant rewards with player actions

[azure cave]

Beach Ball over Ocean Swell (Epic on Nergal) Is memeing right?

[jolly hound]

maybe? beach ball is a solid option tho

[split shuttle]

ocean swell does jack on nergal tho so like beach ball obv

[azure cave]

I am using the omega Attack quite a lot, in the end got Beach Ball later in the picks anyways

[jolly hound]

so on like, Mel torches ocean swell shines cause you’re firing lots of o attacks

nergal each o attack is like 4-5 sec long each

It’s not a huge deal tho

[full citrus]

Hello, first time texting this server. I dont know if the devs see this but i noticed in the Poseidon and Ares’s duo boon, Poseidon’s splashes remain blue and dont change to red as it says.
Dont know if its like that just for me or if this is a mistake, thought I should point it out just in case

[slim pike]

Oceans swell is basically exceptional talent for torches, except cheaper

[slim pike]

Only the double splash goes red

That's deliberate, it neans you can see when it's triggering amongst the chaos

[whole remnant]

good duo on exhaust riser coat

[full citrus]

Oh I see! I remember it all being red for some reason.. Sorry for the confusion then and thanks

[crystal frigate]

What would be the play style for the aspect of supay?

[vivid cipher]

Still can’t beat Eric’s, any tips?

Eris*^

[lean dove]

you can use the pillars for cover from the bullets

[vivid cipher]

I use them but once there gone she gets me

First playthrough btw

[lean dove]

for the attack she does where she shoots multiple simultaneously, she turns slowly so you can hit her in the back while she’s doing that

yeah i struggled with her a lot at first

[crude dragon]

Stay behind her

[lean dove]

you can also try and dash behind her while she’s about to shoot

[vivid cipher]

I like the scotch cast but it’s not working out to beat her

[crude dragon]

You should always be trying to make her turn around to get you

[vivid cipher]

I’m grinding to upgrade death defiance arcane card

To beat chronos

[halcyon rain]

use the omegas and run

[vivid cipher]

Should’ve suspect him to have a 2nd phase. I thought it was over once I beat him 😂

[vivid cipher]

Noted

[crystal frigate]

Which omega

[halcyon rain]

both if possible

[vivid cipher]

The skulls seem to work the best for me. Haven’t unlocked coat yet

[halcyon rain]

but like, you can make a build where you prime all your magick and just run around lol it works

[crystal frigate]

Sounds fun

[crystal frigate]

So like just try and use both of em then run with whatever dash I have

[halcyon rain]

yeah

supay is very cool

the beginning can be a bit rough but once you get a few boons it pops off

[crude dragon]

The insta-kill has a safe zone, BTW

Otherwise you'd be unable to clear the fight with Strength

[crystal frigate]

I got an epic Zeus dash off rip so it should be an fun run

[buoyant matrix]

zeus dash on supay? daring today aren't we 🔥 💯

[agile shoal]

Im actually so mad right now this is the fifth time in a row i lose to || dream dive rivals Scylla because she is always last||

[whole remnant]

hitch is the only way i won a 62 dd finishing in oceanus

[agile shoal]

Does she not need a nerf???

[whole remnant]

and a busted build from getting ephyra 3rd

she got buffed outside having her 1st biome

[agile shoal]

I know but i am trying to do it with the sister blades for the prophecy

[whole remnant]

well you dont need to do a dream dive

[agile shoal]

I do actually

[whole remnant]

why

[agile shoal]

Dreams of victory prophecy

[whole remnant]

oh i thought you meant bearing gifts

[agile shoal]

Beat a dream dive with every weapon

My run is always going so well and then Scylla always appears last

I might have to reset every time so i start with scylla because this is actually insane

[whole remnant]

yeah i don't care about that one i play 62 fear im not trying to do dream dives with momus or charon or other weapons that are weak high fear

[agile shoal]

She shouldn't be harder than rivals typhon last region

[whole remnant]

starting in Oceanus isn;t bad

is this rivals Scylla?

[agile shoal]

Ending in oceanus is the problem

[agile shoal]

Yup

[whole remnant]

yeah its a tough finish

[agile shoal]

Ikr

[whole remnant]

what fear

you can lower the fear

or just wait for a better set

[agile shoal]

I want to do it max rivals

It's not high fear

Its 12

[whole remnant]

oh well idk what to tell you then

[agile shoal]

Any busted blades build

[whole remnant]

trick knives

with hera or zeus on special or lots

[agile shoal]

So aphro on cast with pan

[whole remnant]

its so powerful it doesn;t really matter but hera or zeus are good choices on special

yeah or dem

[agile shoal]

Damn ok seems powerful

[whole remnant]

but dont play the channel omega

[cunning laurel]

mel would be better than pan

[whole remnant]

they're doing all aspects

[cunning laurel]

oh gotcha

[whole remnant]

just use dash strike with pan

[agile shoal]

Im doing all weapons so aspect doesn't matter

[whole remnant]

works for all blades but morrigan

and trick knives hammer

[agile shoal]

I guess im going to be resetting a lot

[whole remnant]

if you want to do the busted blade build

you could probably do it without at 12 fear just rivals

no timer just play safe

might not even see scylla but hitch if you do

[agile shoal]

I'll probably do that and try to just start with oceanus so its guaranteed i dont fight Scylla

[midnight notch]

Hey quick question:
curse wounds can be applied every 3 seconds but is only a dmg-boost for a single hit that applies it.
how does it operate with the 50% curse-arcana card?

[crude dragon]

I believe Origination activates first, so you will get the boost?

[midnight notch]

but does the ares curse hold for some time so i can combine it with a second "lasting" curse?

does the " every 3 seconds possible" effect count as a 3-second curse marker?

[elfin heron]

ideally, you want a third source of origination

because the wounds will be coming on and off every 3 sec

[halcyon rain]

wounds is pretty much the cooldown

when the enemy is not wounded, you strike will get the bonus power and then they will become wounded, meaning for that enemy that strike cant have the bonus damage until the wound time ends

about how it works with origination i lowkey dont know

all i know is that it counts as olympian damage meaning it can be increased by rallying cry for example

[azure cave]

I Just completed my 1st Anubis run, dealt unspeakable amounts of damage and hated every second of It, Is that normal?

[jolly hound]

It’s weird. You have to take it slow and think about where the circle goes (and you pretty much need a Poseidon or hesita attack too) but it’s a fun change of pace when you get the hang of it. For surface if you can get Dionysus grape juice the entire circle is empowered for the duration of the attack and that’s super fun

[crude dragon]

It will persist for 3 seconds, yes, and that persisting time counts towards Origination

[azure cave]

I had an Heph Heroic Attack and went with Ares Demeter Omega Cast build.
Wounds casually dropping 2500 Red numbers with the Attack procing the ding ding more than once x attack
Problem Is I Just despised the gameplay to get the build going, early game was suffering

[arctic copper]

Might be a stupid question but why can’t I pull up the boon search menu on gods?

To check for like duo requirements, legendaries, etc

[elfin heron]

because you don't have it unlocked yet?

[arctic copper]

That’s an unlock?

[elfin heron]

sure it is

[arctic copper]

Im post game

Is it an incantation?

[elfin heron]

yeah, you need to gift every single god incl Chaos at least once

[arctic copper]

Huh I wonder which one I’m missing then

[elfin heron]

look at your keepsakes

[proud swift]

It's Dio isn't it...

[sturdy goblet]

you can open the book and check out

[elfin heron]

Dio is an NPC in 2, I don't think he counts, the wiki says:
Zeus, Hera, Poseidon, Demeter, Apollo, Aphrodite, Hephaestus, Hestia, Hermes, Chaos

[arctic copper]

Surprisingly enough it’s Zeus

[proud plank]

I love both of these games, but this Platinum trophy for Hades II is ridiculous. Could SuperGiant have made it any grindier? It’s literally every single thing completely maxed out along with about 15 storylines. It’s killing me lol

[arctic copper]

I mean it’s a true 100% plat trophy

But also not really

[azure cave]

Plat for Hades 1 was super basic

[arctic copper]

You don’t have to do 32 heat surface and underworld

So its not a true 100% plat but its close

[azure cave]

There Is so much content in the game to get plat that eventually you get to do 32 Heat regardless

[arctic copper]

I hope we get more post game content seeing how this game blew up as much as the first

But I’m not too hopeful

[proud swift]

They really could have made it so much worse with the amount of things in the game that aren't tied to achievements.😭

[azure cave]

A DLC would be neat, adding a new Path would be really nice, to mix the dream dives too

[arctic copper]

I’m really hoping that’s what we get

Cause as it seems so far supergiant isn’t stopping with hades 2

[halcyon rain]

there's so much more things to do after the platinum trophy lol, it could be SO much worse

[arctic copper]

They literally added an entire new game mode

[azure cave]

|| Journey to get The Three Fates to get back to work as final boss || could be an idea for it

[halcyon rain]

don't wanna burst your bubbles but i think any new content is very very unlikely

[proud swift]

In patch 3 we play as Chronos or in other words Hades 0.

[halcyon rain]

patch2 content was already surprising but the reason for them to add something was the Ps5/xbox release

but who knows, maybe there will be something

[arctic copper]

I could see maybe 1 more

[halcyon rain]

all i know is... i'm super excited for the next sgg project anyway no matter what type of game it ends up being this time. but i do wanna see them doing something else now

[warm terrace]

Just a question, I havent installed the latest patch yet, I want to try it but I have some mods installed. Does the update break most mods like in most games?

[halcyon rain]

yes

[azure cave]

Never said its gonna happen, just said It would be nice to have It
It Is a complete game already tho, that leaves no doubt

[proud swift]

We may get a third patch but I honestly didn't even expect anything for patch 2 besides console support. They've never really done post launch updates before.

[warm terrace]

Thanks, disc0!

[arctic copper]

Thats why my hopes are decently high

[azure cave]

(Witcher 3 Is getting a DLC, never lose Hope I guess 😂)

[halcyon rain]

patch 3 will finally bring us selene coat rework

[warm terrace]

They did say they would for Hades 2. When asked about Hades 3 they said the team would be focused on support and updates to Hades 2, without saying how long of course.

[arctic copper]

Or just a coat buff in general

I haven’t gotten the hidden aspect so idk if that’s heat but I really don’t like the coat

But I guess I didn’t like sister blades till Moriggan so

[azure cave]

Hidden Aspect of Coat can do nuclear amount of damage

[arctic copper]

[halcyon rain]

coat is fine its just selene

[azure cave]

Nyx Is also fun

(Aye, Selene sucks, I am planning the run right now to cross It off the list)

[arctic copper]

Yeah I started playing on console release and my friend will not stop glazing Selene

And I keep trying to tell him it sucks

(He thinks Ravaal is mid though so take that as you will)

[azure cave]

Base Revaal Is a weird weapon. Its Easy to dislike It despite being good

[arctic copper]

Melspect revaal is silly amounts of damage but yeah it plays very unique

[azure cave]

Mel Revaal = Bazelgeuse.

[arctic copper]

I had a feeling someone would notice the Malzeno pfp

[azure cave]

I didnt cause I dont pay attention to pfp

[arctic copper]

The subconscious bazel reference tells me a lot about you

Maybe I should play MH again

[onyx stirrup]

Picked up Hades 2 a week or so ago and got around to my 1st 32 heat run today. I want to start conditioning myself for high-heat like I was doing in Hades 1.

Wondering if I should do every run with max Vow of Rivals and 2 ranks of frenzy?

Rivals Scylia was absolutely insane with even 1 rank of frenzy... Chronos too got noticeably harder

[cunning laurel]

some pretty sweet progress. thatd be a good way to practice too, better to get used to their timings early

[onyx stirrup]

can't imagine scylia with 2 ranks of frenzy...

at least not on an omega build

[cunning laurel]

shes one of the hardest rivals for sure

[nocturne topaz]

https://i.imgur.com/A3F3Zlw.png

help

this is tough call

[crude dragon]

I still hope it gets shadow-dropped in Wilds like it did in Rise

[nocturne topaz]

Should I go for weed killer or the dou

Any Boone that I don’t pick here will get erased

[onyx stirrup]

never know how to best approach it. it's like you know you wanna take out the drummer fast but she's also in the most dangerous position to be at

[cunning laurel]

to start, you should usually go down to take scylla and jetty there, then rotate back up while killing tentacles to make space

drummer first is very tough

[onyx stirrup]

when i ignore he she spams the screenwide circle-anti-circle nonsense

so i try taking out those top 2 tentacles 1st in case that happens

[cunning laurel]

pretty scary while scylla + jetty are there w frenzy 2

[onyx stirrup]

i see

[crude dragon]

What's the option other than Weed Killer?

[nocturne topaz]

Ice flourish and arctic ring

[crude dragon]

Cast

[nocturne topaz]

Interesting why not special

[crude dragon]

Because Demeter's Attack and Special have the worst damage and power ceiling of the percentage boons

[nocturne topaz]

Well it can have fast delivery when it comes to the dou Boone right

[crude dragon]

Ares has worse out of the box, but has Boons that build off of Wounds

[nocturne topaz]

One tap at any time and the dou effects are on

[crude dragon]

You mean Origination?

Sure, but at the same time, so do Hera and Ares, and those two have better ceilings than Demeter

[nocturne topaz]

I have hestia attack

[crude dragon]

What's the weapon?

[nocturne topaz]

Anubis

I’m running 50 heat

[crude dragon]

Then you absolutely do not want Demeter special because of how Freeze interacts with the yank

[nocturne topaz]

I’m talking abt thermal dynamics I honestly think it’s kinda useless

That’s why I was asking if it’s worth it

[nocturne topaz]

Aight then

[cunning laurel]

if you mean freezer burn its kinda meh

[nocturne topaz]

Or just go with weed killer even tho I’m not doing any damage build here so weed killer would be in the wrong direction

[nocturne topaz]

I misplaced the names

F

I meant freezer burn I’m stupid

[crude dragon]

Nah, you're on Anubis and on 50 Fear, I'd go for the Cast for the on-demand CC that doesn't also get weird with the yoink

[nocturne topaz]

Yeah I thought that too

[nocturne topaz]

Alright but do you think freezer burn does anything other than the instant damage

Is that really worth it

[cunning laurel]

better to look for pyro technique, i assume you took card for that anyway

[crude dragon]

I mean, it detonates the Scorch stacks for triple(?) the damage that it would have done if you let it tick down. It's a good way to cash out on Scorch stacks if you're applying it faster than it's getting consumed

[nocturne topaz]

yeah i been unlucky

[nocturne topaz]

alriht then ill make sure i get it but i wont abs focus on it

[cunning laurel]

im surprised cast isnt an option for freezer burn

[nocturne topaz]

is is wdym

[crude dragon]

And putting it on your Cast instead of your Special, when Anubis wants you to spam those suckers out while the Attack field is active, it lets you be more judicious and get the big dopamine hits of a 999 detonation

[cunning laurel]

oh so its gonna be better for freezer burn every time yea

[nocturne topaz]

love the language 😭

is there way to get pic perms

here

[cunning laurel]

nah imgur is the best way really

[nocturne topaz]

i sent one non of you looked at it 😔

[torn wind]

Well correction it allows Imgur links but doesn’t show the image

The other chats do

[cunning laurel]

wym, we looked but didnt know which duo you meant

[nocturne topaz]

i had hestia attack and was talking abt demeter boones what else could it be

[nocturne topaz]

it used to show in this chat too in the old days

or i think the hades 1 discussion

well hestia and dameter decided to clutch at the last shop in Tartarus

[frozen belfry]

Zuko here how is everyone doing today

[tranquil wren]

my girlfriend turned into the moon

[frozen belfry]

Sokka lol

[candid nimbus]

That's rough, buddy

[ivory igloo]

im having trouble unlocking ||the 4th rank of vow of rivals|| is there another requirement besides beating ||unrivaled cerberus and prometheus||?

[forest urchin]

For me that did the trick

Maybe talk to Hecate

[ivory igloo]

is that how the next incantation was unlocked? lwk forgot

[forest urchin]

Hmm maybe, not sure either

[elfin heron]

you need to beat the story to unlock it

[eager gust]

the bosses in this game feel so much harder than the first

i love it sm

[ivory igloo]

dont i need to beat both bosses on the surface and underworld w/ the vow on to beat the story?

[elfin heron]

no

[forest urchin]

Yeah the bosses require more practice and have a lot more things going on, especially underworld rivals

[eager gust]

do i need to spoiler boss names here

[forest urchin]

I’m trying to learn chronos rivals but man he’s rough

[ivory igloo]

i kinda thought the underworld rivals were easy besides the sirens

[eager gust]

i reached typhon for the first time and jesus christ that guy is built different

[forest urchin]

Chronos rivals to me feels a lot harder than typhoon rivals

[eager gust]

what is rivals?

[forest urchin]

It’s nothing! 😄

[ivory igloo]

you'll unlock it later

[eager gust]

is it extreme measures but h2

[forest urchin]

Yeah

[eager gust]

im tryna get used to all the name changes

[forest urchin]

Haha yeah that’s what it is

[eager gust]

i havent unlocked all of them yet but the changes feel a lot tougher than in h1

[forest urchin]

It’s adds a lot more than extreme measures tho

[crude dragon]

Roll credits

[forest urchin]

Since hades2 is more boss oriented

[eager gust]

extreme measures was free heat

the bosses in h2 have a lot more spectacle to them

[crude dragon]

Just the optional post-credits boss

[forest urchin]

Oh yeah for sure

[eager gust]

im excited to see that one

[forest urchin]

Extreme measures in h2 is really rough compared to h1

[eager gust]

i feel like the bosses get nerfed every time i come back to them but i know its just me getting better with them

[forest urchin]

Except for 1 which I prefer the rivals version lol

[eager gust]

i no hit eris in my last run instead of using a dd

[forest urchin]

That’s the idea of the game 😄

Die, learn, kill 🙂

[eager gust]

almost beat prometheus without a dd too

[bitter stirrup]

Had a nightmare that I was using Shiva and woke up in a cold sweat

Going back to sleep now lmao

[crude dragon]

What was your Arcana setup?

[regal mist]

does anyone know how to start getting the trophies or statues that are by dora and the bench in the training grounds?

[crude dragon]

The Nendos? Need to forge a bond with the respective character

[lethal wasp]

should i beat hades 1 before i play hades 2?

[pine flume]

yes

[lethal wasp]

ok

oh shoot eve is pregnant

[pine flume]

its just better when you know the context of the family dynamic from Hades I and all the other relationships

[lethal wasp]

is that why she lsot her powers?

[lethal wasp]

oooh ok, i will

[proper seal]

1. thats spoilers for Invincible Season 4
2. not the right channel for that discussion

oh yea completely random but || during my dream dive in the summit, I had a potential chance to get a 6 god pool. Not common to find at all so just wanted to throw that discussion here ||

[radiant ore]

hey so can yiu reroll to find arachne

[radiant ore]

damnnn ok

[proper seal]

no you cannot reroll those rooms sadly

[radiant ore]

guys so
if i have a run with no arachne, and want a run eith arachne, will leaving the night and starting a neew one (with another weapon perhaps) let me meet her?

[radiant ore]

wgat about this

[radiant ore]

?

[proper seal]

getting a arachne room is RNG

I had some runs where I didnt get arachne

[radiant ore]

NO i mean like
this run im on no arachne

if i go to the croissroads and pick a new weapon instead will thr run still not have araxhne

or ois there a chance arachne may show uo

[proper seal]

Ohhhh I think that can work

[radiant ore]

ill try

[proper seal]

I havent tested this so I wouldnt know

[radiant ore]

let me try

[proper seal]

if your talking about || rerolling on the oath of the unseen before you start a run then yes thats possible ||

[hushed cloak]

man every time i stop and listen to some of the tracks in this game im just blown away

especially the ones with voice acting, just

[radiant ore]

the solo in sightless sheohere

[proper seal]

The music is phenomonal

[bitter stirrup]

Funny I probably had Night in there cause I was using omegas (though tbf I actually do have Night in my real-life setups to activate Moon lol)

[crude dragon]

I mean, that's how you play Shiva

[weak trail]

Just got my YouTube music recap. My top played song of the year is Moonlight Guide Us!

[placid sonnet]

I know aspect of Selene isn't everyone's favorite, but what's good on it? Going to give it a spin for the first time

[nova oar]

Just play it like a worse mel coat

[buoyant matrix]

your options are to take ares and build big into skyfall or play it like a worse mel coat

the godsent is a must have, also look for the upgrade that makes skyfall deal +50% damage if it keeps striking the same enemy

[placid sonnet]

What Ares boons in particular?

[placid sonnet]

Figures

[buoyant matrix]

any, as long as you have a boon of ares you can get the godsent

they just buffed sword ring and apparently it's decent now so probably that

[snow palm]

They should just let us pick to get hammer at the start since people are gonna reset until they get a seed they want anyways

[candid nimbus]

If you really want to give it a chance to Sky Fall, I have found the best way is using Omega Special, and for that one, almost any boon except Ares (it's better for attack) or Aphrodite (unless you get Island Getaway) works well

The Godsent is good, but I don't find it mandatory, what I do find is basically a must is the Ferocity upgrade

[placid sonnet]

I'll keep that in mind

I'd assume it's also mandatory to take her keepsake at least once during the run, but not at the start I'm assuming

[candid nimbus]

I tend to go JPom and then her keepsake by region 2

[placid sonnet]

Don't know why I said at least once because it expires once you use it lol

Found out that dealing with vow Eris's orbs thingies can be a little difficult to deal with on black coat

[buoyant matrix]

with kbm it's free
on controller yeah

[bitter stirrup]

Even on kbm it's annoying how it doesn't auto lock-on

[granite cosmos]

I feel bad for the creators of hades 2

They went through development hell

[nova oar]

Huh?

[granite cosmos]

Development HELL

Cause hades

Is hell..kinda

[nova oar]

Oh

[strong rapids]

at least they didn't go through development surface

[placid sonnet]

Is aspect of supay any good? It was my last aspect unlock

Seems weird idk