h2-discussion

[frosty veldt]

They all are different, the better the perk, the lower the armor

[short raft]

Oh i mean in dream dives, LMAO

[tranquil wren]

yeah dream dives scale NPC benefits

[prisma monolith]

Dont kill the clocks when you're trying to avoid the insta kills

It js not luck

[tranquil wren]

so region4 NPCs have massively upscaled rewards compared to their normal stuff

[short raft]

but which ones? Cuz im getting base value rn and she is on stage 4

[tranquil wren]

tbf idk. I remember circe giving me like 5 upgraded arcana instead of 2

idk how arachne scales

[frosty veldt]

She had medea, dashed in and was right off the platform. Unfortunate

[short raft]

this is what i got, maybe shes bugged?
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/616845281140408355/1497184394916401303/image.png?ex=69ec9920&is=69eb47a0&hm=88e1773cbd1ef6567cc27e5ea074c6bb3caea410eede7ae21b1b6cf61082c0d6&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=985&height=629

[tranquil wren]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[prisma monolith]

Certified shrug moment

[short raft]

OH NVM, its not the value armor thats increased

its the effect.

[tranquil wren]

oh yeah lol

[granite cosmos]

Im rly excited for hades wear Prada 2

[prisma monolith]

200% cast is bonkers

[short raft]

Onyx has no effect So it gets +90

[elfin heron]

I think it's only the Onyx dress that gets more armor

[tranquil wren]

yea they mentioned it

[elfin heron]

Onyx should be 140 armor in region 4

which is pretty good for 9x hp Hecate lmao

[buoyant matrix]

Underworld

Arachne:

• Armor values are unchanged except for the onyx dress
• Lavender Dress: You channel 40%/45%/50%/60% faster.
• Fuchsia Dress: Your casts deal +100%/+125%/+150%/+200% damage.
• Azure Dress: You restore 5/10/15/25 magick per second.
• Emerald Dress: You restore 2/4/6/10 health per location.
• Onyx Dress: You get 60/80/100/140 armor.
• Gold Dress: You get 5/10/15/25 gold per location.
• Moonlight Dress: Your hex costs 30%/40%/50%/70% less.
• Crimson Dress: You deal +3%/+4%/+6%/+12% damage per location.

Narcissus:

• Verdure Sampler: 3 Nightshade, 2 Moly and 1/2/4 Pom slices
• Heartfelt Condolences: 50/100/200 Healing (Gyros) and 10 Ash
• Precious Metals: 6 Silver and 100/150/250 Gold
• Mystic Secrets: 30/60/90 Magick and 20 Psyche
• Ancesteral Offering: 50 Bones and 25/50/75 Health
• Fates' Trimmings: 2 Fate fabric and 2/3/5 Dice
• Heavenly Splendor: 1 Stardust and 2/3/4 Elements
• Life Savings: 1/2/3 Death Defiances and 1 Lotus
• Mixed Blessings: Unchanged (1 Mystery Boon and 1 Mystery Seed)

Echo:

• Reward Reward Reward: Unchanged
• Boon Boon Boon: Unchanged
• Pom Pom Pom: Unchanged
• Survive Survive Survive: Replace all spent Death Defiances with ones that restore 50%/70% health and magick, then less and less (10 percentage points per use).
• Evade Evade Evade: Gain 50%/70% Dodge chance, but lose 2% of this each time you Dodge.
• Fight Fight Fight: Gain 60%/80% Health and Magick based on their limits, but lose 5% of this after each Location.
• Gold Gold Gold: Unchanged
• Gift Gift Gift: Unchanged

[nova oar]

Nerd

[buoyant matrix]

info from speedcord, documented by therineselene

[buoyant matrix]

no u

[elfin heron]

Region 4 Medea Traces of Spirit is +20 magic per encounter btw, pretty sick

[prisma monolith]

Could someone post the surface changes?

[buoyant matrix]

yeah the surface stuff are documented too

holy wall of text

[elfin heron]

what about Dio?

[buoyant matrix]

those don't change cause they already have rarity defined for them

[prisma monolith]

Interesting

I couldnt help but notice arachne numbers have 4 values, yet erebus cant roll as region 1

[buoyant matrix]

yeah maybe the values are still defined in the code, you can just never see them

[spare wind]

17 tries on great chaos below trial so far
None cleared man this achivement is hard and my luck is bad asf

[prisma monolith]

Wait till you try above

[frosty veldt]

You only need to do one or the other for the achievment

[prisma monolith]

But surely you wanna do above, cmon

[frosty veldt]

Lol

[buoyant matrix]

you only have to do specifically below

i did it twice in a row to get the win streak achievement too

[prisma monolith]

Im surprised they even made thay an achievement

[frosty veldt]

Hes doing the greater one, its above or below nvm youre right

[buoyant matrix]

i checked the achievements to make sure I'm not tripping and- yeah

[frosty veldt]

Ha yeah, I got lucky on my second one. Gonna do above soon

[willow fog]

Yall going for the dress achievement?

[nova oar]

It's easier than it sounds

[willow fog]

Whats the way

Hep boons help but what else

[nova oar]

heph and silken sash

[willow fog]

So 4 armor a room and maybe 70 armor starting + dress armor

[frosty veldt]

Nah, I got it already. Just stack hephaestus buffs. One is gaining armor and damage with higher armor. Then use silken sash and get the dress

[willow fog]

I kinda wish there was a boon that converted hp to armor

Im surprised it wasnt one to begin with

[elfin heron]

does it actually work if you do GCB twice? I did GCB + CB, thought you couldn't do the same once twice for the achievement purposes, because it said two trials

[frosty veldt]

I did two cb below in a row and it worked

I read the steam guide before I attempted it though lol

[elfin heron]

anywho, just start with GCB and salute the board until you get an easy seed, took me like 2 resets until I got Artemis aspect with no scars/other scary stuff

[prisma monolith]

Dont get hit

[elfin heron]

yeah you can no hit the game pretty easily on 0 fear, pick a chonky dress then silk sash for the rest of the run, should be free

[frosty veldt]

You only have to get to chronos, not actually beat him with the dress

[prisma monolith]

But you need to beat him for style points

Go the extra mile

[elfin heron]

yeah, he will comment on Mel's dress and then the achievement will pop
but you'll also get a unique title if you win without getting stripped

[prisma monolith]

Oh

[buoyant matrix]

silk saver

[elfin heron]

yeah that one

[azure cave]

Antler Keepsake at last biome

[prisma monolith]

I might yeah might as well

[granite cosmos]

Nemesis just did a new activity i never saw before when you need to hit her as fast as possible and i failed terribly and she called me pathetic

(Hot) but also i could have done better byt it didn't explain it was on a time

[prisma monolith]

Welcome to roguelikes, now you know for next time

[granite cosmos]

I dont play alot of rogue likes only the hades games and enter the gungeon

Although gungeon is one of my favorite games of all time and hades 2 is getting up there

[prisma monolith]

Rough like 😵😵😵

[granite cosmos]

I just type what i have to say if it correct great if i have a spelling error not my problem

[prisma monolith]

Calm down broski, no foul I even found it funny

[minor silo]

It do be rough like 🙂‍↕️

[prisma monolith]

Cause it matches the genre

Exactly

[native wharf]

anyone elses update saying content file locked?

[tired iris]

Is Schelemeus bugged? I already did the bone density enchantment thing but his relationship level is locked and says I need to "master" more of the nocturnal arms

[buoyant matrix]

you to finish the bearing dark gifts prophecy
win a run with every aspect

[willow fog]

Does either area work

[crude dragon]

Yes

[tired iris]

Ugh, booooo

But thanks for the info!

[frigid sapphire]

Is this game fun

[nova oar]

Wdym booo, that's the fun part

[nova oar]

Nah

[bitter stirrup]

Nah it's infuriating and will take up hundreds of hours of your life, I hate it

[prisma monolith]

Worst game i have played in my life, idk why I can't stop playing it

[elfin heron]

when you walk into a bar and ask if beer is good

[willow fog]

Its like coke

[split shuttle]

hell nah, theres a reason why i have over 864 hours on this game

[prisma monolith]

Obviously youre a masochist

[tired iris]

I don't want Skelly to be the last character I max out relationship points with, I guess. I just wanna finish his plot already, he's a little funny but mostly boring compared to, like, Nem or Hecate or Dora

[granite cosmos]

I just defeated chronos for the first time!!

Cant believe the game is over

It was fun

[prisma monolith]

🤣

I couldnt even dream of dropping this game after one win, but hey you do you

[whole remnant]

assuming no joke throwing out side thropies you're 1.5% into game

[marble chasm]

You really don't get to see ||Typhon's health bar||

Choosing to tell myself I almost had him

[whole remnant]

easy to gauge by phases he is in

just the last phase til end obviously no intidcator

but if i get to Typhon with a good build, armor, damage negations and white antler he's cooked

at 62F getting to typhon is far harder than beating him

[wispy onyx]

Big bad papa monster is so evil I am yet to defeat him

[whole remnant]

i've only done it with staffs/skulls/trick knives on pan bustedness

and one lucky Morrigan run with final slice and melting sickle

[wispy onyx]

Oh you have much much more to do than just that

[whole remnant]

and staffs means the two good ones at high fear

not momus or anubis

[whole remnant]

just stay below him until he signs a chin smash for most of fight but last phase

for non rivals typhon

last phase gotta go back and forth, some good videos online that break dow his telegraphed moves

[wispy onyx]

Yessir

[buoyant matrix]

interesting server tag

[elfin heron]

don't recommend that tbh, maybe I'm just old, but the chin slam comes out very quickly, so I just drop a cast do a combo then dip out, because I know the slam is coming like 0.5 sec later

[whole remnant]

chin slam is telegraphed, you can see when its coming and dash out

just need to learn his moves and when he signals them

what i gave is the basic advice you'll find in an online vid for non rivals typhon

[elfin heron]

idk man, I can no-hit him when I follow the above strat, it works for me

[whole remnant]

yeah i mean right below him

like under him

when chim slam signals then dash out

cast if one isn't up

[elfin heron]

I tend to stay all the way at the bottom, then reposition depending on what projectiles come out

[whole remnant]

that's fine for last phase but not optimal for the rest, but non rivals typhon is a floating hit box and kind of a letdown when i first played

right under him you can spam damage and blaze through phases

[elfin heron]

fair enough, but the other phases have no hp, you just burst him down

[whole remnant]

they have HP its just not shown

[prisma monolith]

Do you have forced overtime on? (I forgot what is called in h2)

[whole remnant]

you can track his HP roughly based on phases

[prisma monolith]

The faster attacks things

[elfin heron]

the last phase has the majority of his HP

[whole remnant]

no it has like 25% for non rivals iirc

just more visual noise harder to impart damage

[elfin heron]

hmmm, it takes much longer than the others

but I haven't checked the files, so not sure completely

[prisma monolith]

The last phase does have more hp than the rest

[whole remnant]

i haven't fought non rivals typhon in ages, but pretty sure the last phase is like 30% tops

[prisma monolith]

Is like 10k more than phase 2

P2 has 15k p4 has 25k

The other 2 have like 12k

[whole remnant]

phase one then eggs, then he comes back, zeus comes back and if your build is good you can skip that phase, then final phase

eggs after zeus phase

zeus to eggs is a phase

[prisma monolith]

Yes

[whole remnant]

so 1+1+1+1=4

[proven maple]

How can i unlock the incantation to track boons?

[prisma monolith]

Yes

I put the hp numbers above

[whole remnant]

oh i misread

my b

[prisma monolith]

4 phases total, we are just saying p4 has the most hp

[minor silo]

I do find GETTING to him harder than his boss fight itself

[prisma monolith]

Summit can be a pain yes

[whole remnant]

it has the most hp but not most of it, overall it has like 30% of his hp as i guessed

[minor silo]

The minibosses in summit are harsh. Mightve been patched tho no idea

[buoyant matrix]

gift every olympian and chaos at least once

[whole remnant]

maybe 1/3

[whole remnant]

this is what i was replaying to

[proven maple]

i got all of their keepsakes doesn't that mean i gifted them once already?

[whole remnant]

last phase has like a third not most, you two were saying different things

[buoyant matrix]

do you have ||hera|| and ||ares|| too?

[whole remnant]

nvm

[buoyant matrix]

and hermes and artemis

[proven maple]

yup

[buoyant matrix]

and athena and dionysus?

if so, try giving them more gifts

i remember in early access you had to gift one of them twice

[proven maple]

i'll try this

[buoyant matrix]

i haven't started a fresh save in so long so I'm not sure

[prisma monolith]

I never even have

I cant even fathom grinding everything again

[minor silo]

I tried to start a new save but i had a weird bug in hades1 that corrupted my save a thousand times and gave up

I cant go through this again

[prisma monolith]

Weird, a new save shoudlnt corrupt the other

[minor silo]

Nah, it was the same save

I was just sick of having to restart it over and over again so i lost steam after like two runs in hades2 lol

[wispy onyx]

Do you like it

[wispy onyx]

What I've been doing is spamming ranged attacks while he's doing a normal attack sequences and after a chin slam I go in with a cast and normal attacks when possible

Most of the time I end up dying because ||Prometheus|| and the small bosses often take my death defiances before I get to him

[elfin heron]

yeah basically the same strat

except for the dying part lol

[minor silo]

I play fists or daggers so im a chin camper

[wispy onyx]

I've only gotten the game a week ago give me some slack 🫰🥀

[minor silo]

good luck!

[azure cave]

Best Blades to attempt Rivals Typhon?

[nova oar]

Hidden

[tranquil wren]

^

[elfin heron]

always Artemis

[tranquil wren]

morrigan is just a top tier aspect in general

[elfin heron]

infinite armor every 10 sec is just too good

[proven maple]

in the boon list why doesn't track appear as an action?

[buoyant matrix]

i think you need a separate incantation for tracking boon requirements

[proven maple]

thanks for the tip earlier, i haven't gifted chaos btw that's why the list incantation didn't show

[nova oar]

#h2-victory-boasting

[karmic cedar]

Gotcha

[rare marten]

whats the best way to charge Persephone special? I've tried various things but it takes forever

[nova oar]

ignore it and play it like mel skull

[rare marten]

well thats boring

[buoyant matrix]

blitz and scorch tend to work best

[azure cave]

Hermes boons?

Hera and Poseidon also have the duo boon synergy of ocean swell and Fine line

[halcyon rain]

heph is 🔥

oor, hear me out, falling blades from ares 🙂

[strong rapids]

heph is smart, cause heph also loves the extra levels from persephone

[spare wind]

My god finally i have cleared great chaos below trial
😭 😭
Took 19 tries (including rerorlls I did by dieing)

20 minute run lmao

[elfin heron]

if you've cleared the epilogue ending you can re-roll without dying

[spare wind]

Wait really??
Am i just dumb I did epilogue like so long ago

[elfin heron]

there's an incantation, forget what it's called, once you do that you just salute the fear board and Mel will say something like "My fate is mine!"

[whole remnant]

you gotta clear 16 fear each way for that one

[spare wind]

Oh damn
Well no use now I have did the trial already
Just grinding bearing dark gifts prophecy now

[whole remnant]

plus epilogue

[spare wind]

Yeah I have that + epilogue

[whole remnant]

salute the oath

then you should have it able idk

[spare wind]

Need to do 12 more nights with different aspects for bearing dark gifts wouldn't be fun

Am just afraid about doing runs with supay lol how am I even gonna use that

[elfin heron]

seed re-rolls are kinda goated if you're running jpom, you can basically force whatever god you want in the first few rooms

[whole remnant]

supay is easy when you learn it. get on hits on attack/special

[elfin heron]

play the Chaos trial, Trial of the Demon, it shows how to play Supay

[whole remnant]

and Breaker, Thunder, or Heat rush preferably but Nexus can do well

then just dash around

stutter step helps

[elfin heron]

I like thunder or heat rush + whatever gives me origination, hestia special is the best IMO

[whole remnant]

supay is really good until high fear then it falls off some

[spare wind]

Thanks I'll try to use these tips doing run with morrigan rn going good 11 more left after this

[whole remnant]

breaker is probably my favorite because it knocks enemies around

[elfin heron]

but you want to circle them for more damage?

heat rush on Supay deletes enemies in seconds, you just hold sprint and gg's

[whole remnant]

hestia or poseidon special best with hidden helix, zeus special/epic pommed JPom Volcanic without hidden helix is pretty insane

yeah but im talking like high fear

where heat rush takes a little longer

breaker rush knock enemies around added crowd control

[elfin heron]

from what I've been told Supay is bad on high fear if you're running void because no orig

[whole remnant]

yeah it is

ive cleared 62 fear

but 65 its really hard

[elfin heron]

you can still take judgement + orig, no?

[bitter stirrup]

Origination would take up 5/6 grasp you have

[elfin heron]

yeah and it's the best card in the game

[bitter stirrup]

Good luck getting boons to get Origination up without Artificer or surviving long enough without Swift Runner/Messenger/Persistence

[whole remnant]

at 65 you want like swift runner, persistence, etc start and hopefully get lucky on draws

[whole remnant]

exactly

[elfin heron]

swift runner is 1 grasp, so you take orig + swift

[bitter stirrup]

Though some of the best players run Night + Lovers + Swift Runner on 65

But that's because they're already good enough to beat 67 lol

[whole remnant]

you need more than swift runner and orig

you need multiple things to get going, you lose your first boon, no artificer

orig is a draw card

[bitter stirrup]

And without Persistence you're dead to 2 Wastrel hits, 2 Hippo + 1 Casket hit, 5 Wailer hits, etc

[elfin heron]

yeah Supay basically does nothing boonless, so the first few rooms will be rough as hell

[whole remnant]

cat or omega special

is what you do

or both

popular

[elfin heron]

getting carried by a freaking cat LMAO

can the cat even handle it at max hordes

[nova oar]

I hate the cat

[whole remnant]

for the beginning yeah supay damage plummets without arcana and even before that. but ya supay, anubis, charon, and thanatos never cleared 67 fear

[whole remnant]

its how most 65 clears with supay have started

[elfin heron]

I guess you can just use trees for damage, then hopefully you get a rush boon 2 rooms in?

[whole remnant]

cat and omega special until you get a couple boons

[elfin heron]

break wards with auto-attacks, then hit trees

[whole remnant]

rush is good but on hit is as important, any of those three slots

supay is really hard to use the only reason i hve a 62 clear is supay was my favorite back at 32-40 fear and played it a ton

[frosty veldt]

Challenge accepted

[whole remnant]

many have attempted, some of the best players in the world

grinding anubis and charon specifically

supay and than at 67 i dunno if that happens

[frosty veldt]

I'm only joking lol, never even tried that high of fear yet. Just finished the achievements. Now I can start mid/maxing fear

[elfin heron]

Thanatos shouldn't be too bad if you get nimble limbs and/or rapid hack, most people only focus on o atk when playing axes, but Thanatos is fine with the regular combo IMO

[whole remnant]

now i mostly use staff/skulls well not momus/anubis

thanatos is terrible high fear

and thats not the hammer you want, its psychic whirlwind

[nova oar]

Can confirm

[whole remnant]

if we see any cleared at 67 its probably Anubis with a cracked build

[elfin heron]

you have very little or no magic on max fear
I would try regular attacks instead

[frosty veldt]

I did a hammer run earlier with only having the 3rd hit... it was really hard in the summit. Just wanted to see if I could do it

[whole remnant]

you'll time out doing that

[nova oar]

Mhm

[whole remnant]

all the 65 than clears which aren;t a lot are psychic whirlwind with omega attack damage

[elfin heron]

epic/heroic aphro attack + nimble limbs/rapid hack should be fine still, no? I run this pretty often, though with origination

[whole remnant]

that would be bad at high fear

[nova oar]

Good luck getting and sustaining that at 67

[whole remnant]

its totally different game

[nova oar]

what's your highest fear clear?

[elfin heron]

32

[nova oar]

Explains things

[elfin heron]

gonna try 40 next, because 32 felt too easy

[nova oar]

have you cleared a 67?

[whole remnant]

no i have 62s including surface/dream dives. im gonna try 65 mel staff or mel skull when i get my confidence up more

[nova oar]

Yeah fair enough

I just hate void so much I never want to go past 62

[whole remnant]

i just know from the community and videos the 65/67 game

[nova oar]

Fr

[frosty veldt]

Adding time on all these... dang. I forgot about time. Thats gonna be a fail for me, dawg. Lol

[whole remnant]

i don't want to, but i might try 65 with mel staff since its easy or mel skulls since its my best aspect prob

i have 62 surface with both

and pan tk

and circe and other skulls

[nova oar]

5 minutes per region, and everthing has 30% more health, more of the enemies, and all of them have wards and sometimes fangs

[whole remnant]

but most my 62s obv UW and i got pretty lucky on dream dives and have some there

staffs and skulls lol

i have a safezone

[frosty veldt]

Gonna try a 56, minus time and void. Lets see how it goes. Highest ive done is 20 lol. I'll be back in like 2 mins when I fail

[buoyant matrix]

I'll give you 30 seconds at best

[frosty veldt]

Bet

[buoyant matrix]

you'll find out why erebus is one of the hardest regions in high fear 🗿

[cunning laurel]

im so sick of shadow spiller

[frosty veldt]

Yall still run jpom on high fear to start?

[nova oar]

Yep

[whole remnant]

yes only way

[nova oar]

Jpom-chrolex-whatever-antler

[elfin heron]

do 32 first lmao

[whole remnant]

Knuckle Bones for Surface

[frosty veldt]

Go big or go home

[elfin heron]

you need to do a 32 for the final statue anyway

[nova oar]

If metal can do it, so can they

[whole remnant]

3rd

[elfin heron]

32 is easy, I finished with full hp, will try 40 next

[buoyant matrix]

the climb is kinda chill until 50

the brutality starts after that

[bitter stirrup]

Brutality? Wolf Howl reference?

[whole remnant]

ive been using calling card 2nd more in dives when my build is incomplete, purges aren't guaranteed to be better than onions and maybe bones

rather have a heroic important core boon and like hermes boon than two extra boons

my coat run i got heroic volcanic strike and nitro boost, circe i got heroic sworn flourish to encompany shimmering moonshot

[whole remnant]

my goal was save debt/pain/grit/scars3 until the end

kinda trickle them in then scars3 was main whammy

besides axes i drop wards

[buoyant matrix]

i think i had everything on besides rivals 3 and 4 and void for my first 55

[whole remnant]

i had rivals 4 since 32, i ran a weird loadout planning to reach 50 so getting hard stuff like freznzy/rivals early

debt was not fun so left out, scars3 obv left out

[buoyant matrix]

my plan from the very start was 62 so i maxed frenzy and hordes asap

[whole remnant]

yeah i went hard on those early plus rivals fangs

my soft goal was 50

with a chance for 62

which is where i am at now

considering 65 but idk more practice probably first

so pain/grit and kinda debt were the trickle option, plus debt is no fun plus forfeit lol

and scars 3 last when i wasn't needing healing much

[whole remnant]

i didn't add frenzy 2 until after 32 which was a major hiccup between 32 and 40

but had familiarity with rivals fights so just had to relearn them lol 😭

[jolly hound]

Yea I’ll card if I have heph in the god pool and am sans attack or special

[whole remnant]

i'll use it just if i am missing anything core. purges are a lot less guaranteed to be good on dives

like circe 62 clear heroic sworn flourish on top of shimmering moonshot was vital even with an easy route

plus dropped the other charges on hermes hasty retreat and a spare on double strike for my cast

i've used piece more on dives but higher win % with calling card actually

for second biome

[spare wind]

Bearing dark gifts and silk and spitefulness are last two achivements I have left
Silk and spitefulness is almost complete
Bearing dark gifts I don't like that achivement ngl
I have to win runs with aspects I have never used

[whole remnant]

which i always do piece second for UW/surface

just do no fear for those aspects

or low

[heavy crow]

what do i need to do to get the interaction with hecatie that lets me get the dog and weasel

[spare wind]

Probably gonna run atleast to get nightmares

[heavy crow]

I've almost beaten the game and she still hasnt given me the chance

[spare wind]

11 runs left on bearing dark gifts then finally 100%

First game I'll 100% achivements

[marble chasm]

Could someone explain how Ares' Wounds effect works

[whole remnant]

Adds power to shot when inflicting, if you have grievous wounds wounded can suffer 200% damage

and other interactions like i think with profuse bleeding now

[marble chasm]

So it can only affect one target once per 3 seconds?

[whole remnant]

can be applied every 3 seconds

no multiple

[heavy crow]

please can someone help me with this so I can actually get pets upgraded

[whole remnant]

wound power counts as olympian damage too

and its a curse for origination

[marble chasm]

Right but for each target it hits I mean, that target can't take the +50 damage until another 3 seconds pass

[whole remnant]

yeah

[marble chasm]

Got it ty

[whole remnant]

well 50+power that is multiplied off

but with grevious wounds you can put up more damage getting triple damage strikes on wounded and profuse bleeding now activates blade fall when wounding

post patch

also wound+heinous affront build is really fun if you get both divine vengence and light smite. good on staff special or mel coat attack

but its hard trying to build for duos especially with denial but when you hit your target its fun. island getaway i love with flutter flourish

[jolly hound]

Fight her with all the other pets

[frosty veldt]

Dang, made it to phase 2 chronos... rip

[heavy crow]

Ah ok

[frosty veldt]

Good try for 56 tho, def a massive step up from 20 lol

[cunning laurel]

bit longer than 30 seconds

[frosty veldt]

Ha yeah

[cunning laurel]

very nice

[frosty veldt]

I surprised myself

I knew going into the final, I was probably screwed tho

One of the tartarus rooms with all the lasers wiped my hp due to the shadow being everywhere

[elfin heron]

56 huh, what was it again, everything but void and scars?

[frosty veldt]

Void and time

[elfin heron]

but time is easy

[frosty veldt]

With all those buffs on? Nah

[buoyant matrix]

actually impressive

push for 62 you can do it

[frosty veldt]

I was at like 20 mins going into chronos

[elfin heron]

what the hell, I'll try this myself

[buoyant matrix]

so you can do 59

[elfin heron]

what weapon did you use btw

[bitter stirrup]

I saw someone with a 56 fear clear that took like 45 minutes IGT before, they eventually did get a 62 recently

[frosty veldt]

flames - melinoe

[cunning laurel]

45 igt is nuts

[elfin heron]

hmmmm, and you still had magic by the end?

[frosty veldt]

I got hestia's regen

[elfin heron]

but you prime when you take boons on hubris

[frosty veldt]

It was never close to my max

[buoyant matrix]

you don't get that many boons with onion and debt on

[frosty veldt]

[buoyant matrix]

just one or maybe two tonics can set you up for the run

depends on your gain boon of course

[frosty veldt]

I literally didnt get my first god boon until like door 5

[cunning laurel]

classic

[elfin heron]

on my 32f run I played with max hubris and I was at 0 magic by the end of the fields

[buoyant matrix]

yeah onion does that

[frosty veldt]

I got hammer early though

[cunning laurel]

if you dont care about magick sure its easy to prime out

if you need magic youll take tonic

[elfin heron]

yeah I don't, Circe ftw

[buoyant matrix]

you'd still prefer to have like 20 or so to keep huntress up but it's not necessary if your build is doing giga damage already

[frosty veldt]

I also had hades healing at the start so that helped until I got better gear lol

[elfin heron]

what were the keepsakes

[frosty veldt]

jpom, fig, ghost onion, knuckle bones

[elfin heron]

did you go death or strength

[frosty veldt]

strength

[nova oar]

better choices for r4 but decent

[buoyant matrix]

based

[frosty veldt]

Gonna try some different builds out, that was really fun

[buoyant matrix]

beware the pipeline ⚠️

[elfin heron]

I'm gonna do everything but void and a mix of time and scars, I think it will be easier this way, time and scars are only bad at max

[idle pike]

Question:|| If I use Athena Keepsake in the underworld, can she appear there to ? since she only appears in the olymp usually?||

[frosty veldt]

yes

[idle pike]

Ty

[buoyant matrix]

yeah as long as you have no defiances

[idle pike]

yeah sure

[elfin heron]

yeah you have to be a Strength chad

[buoyant matrix]

or have lost all dds to sirens

[idle pike]

sirens?

[buoyant matrix]

scylla

[idle pike]

usally lose them to Hekate lol.

[frosty veldt]

I barely used my special attack... prob why the time was so high lol

[idle pike]

But mostly have only the first as Rival. so scylla is much easier

[buoyant matrix]

new art looks great wow

[bitter stirrup]

NOW they wanna hide the feet lol

[frosty veldt]

I just didnt want to do time to start, just to make sure I can actually survive it. So I could see how every room is going to be

[jolly hound]

so timer 1 is free, timer 2 is also fairly free, 3 becomes free once you get vow of frenzy going since faster spawn times really add up. Then you start adding other stuff and it stops being free. But don’t fear the timer

Oceanus is way shorter than Erebus so if you make it through Erebus you’re fine and ephyra is typically pretty fast so there is leftover time to carry over to Thessaly

[frosty veldt]

Eh, I was just trying high fear minus the time and void. Didn't expect to get that far

I appreciate the confidence tho

[cunning laurel]

excited to see your progress if you push higher

[jolly hound]

Amazing what’s possible when you just try

[frosty veldt]

Skelly is so funny. ||"Id rather you let up than give up" - talking about lowering my fear a bit||

[spare wind]

+1
Timer+frenzy doesn't make much difference i used it alot alot

[jolly hound]

Mel says “who am I trying to impress” when you set it to 40+ lol

[spare wind]

Frenzy I run everytime regardless of no fear run
Just to speed up

[elfin heron]

I like the conversation when you unlock all 3 statues, it's pretty funny

[jolly hound]

And yeah I haven’t shut off frenzy or timer since 400 runs ago

[spare wind]

Well that's true

[frosty veldt]

I'm gonna work on that now, need to learn to be quicker and use all my moves before I go way back up again

[elfin heron]

gonna continue with mel torches?

[frosty veldt]

Probably lol... I have 41 uses with torches. The next weapon is at 8

[elfin heron]

damn, it's arguably the weakest torch aspect, not sure what you like about them

but fair enough

[frosty veldt]

Thats just flames in general, not necessarily that aspect

[bitter stirrup]

Mel Flames allows for one-button builds either on attack or special which is one reason to like it,but yes it is mostly inferior to the others

[frosty veldt]

That is why I like it, its fun to play on controller for lower fear runs. Just crit alot

[jolly hound]

ocean swell mel torches go brr

[frosty veldt]

Gonna try to do some more eos, as daybreaker procs your special

[halcyon rain]

🤝 fellow torch enthusiast!

best weapon

[frosty veldt]

Do yall ever purposely die to the final boss to save evil eye on them for a high fear run?

[elfin heron]

one of the pros is about to tell you that evil eye is bad

[frosty veldt]

Just a thought I had, cause mine is on chronos right now

[elfin heron]

yeah I like it too, but fang is more optimal technically

or antler if you have armor or DD's

[frosty veldt]

What does fang start at for level 3? Mine is level 2 at 40% with 5% deduction for encounter so I feel like it would be empty before the boss

[jolly hound]

50

[frosty veldt]

I know its probably to use for those last rooms as they are a pain

[bitter stirrup]

Yeah a 30% global damage boost on only the final boss is not gonna do much compared to a defensive keepsake or a better offensive keepsake

[jolly hound]

so if you dont take tart side rooms itll be 25 for chronos, and will be 20 for typhon

[frosty veldt]

Ah okay

[jolly hound]

this only works once, but if it upgrades in mid-tart or summit, it will go up to 50

[elfin heron]

no dad room either? he could offer deep dissent...

[jolly hound]

combat encounters i think dad is fine

[frosty veldt]

Mine is at 2 encounters from leveling so ill save it for a higher fear run lol

[jolly hound]

yep

sounds good

[broken creek]

yeah and that leveling tech also works for cherished heirloom so its possible to get a 70% fang into typhon/chronos lol

[jolly hound]

i think if you get the hera dem duo that upgrades keepsakes that also resets it (to 70)

[frosty veldt]

So what 4 keepsakes yall do typically with 32+?

[jolly hound]

damn plum types faster than me oh well

[broken creek]

jpom -> chrolex -> anything -> fang/pin/antler

[elfin heron]

you could try switching from Strength to Death, then taking silk sash for region 3, then antler in region 4, it's like 50% more damage

[frosty veldt]

what the heck is chrolex lol

[elfin heron]

timepiece

[broken creek]

you can do fig r2 if timer is an issue like surface, and yeah sash r3 into antler r4 is tech a lot of max fear does but thats with the assumption you never get hit which is unrealistic unless youre a top player

[frosty veldt]

Ah

[jolly hound]

jpom - chrolex (or calling card iff i have heph in god pool and am missing an attack or special) -> usually hammer but sometimes selene or knucklebones if its surface -> fang/knuckles/medea if it's an o-heavy aspect/antler if im feeling ballsy which isnt common

[broken creek]

yeah knuckle bones on olympus is normally the take since with hitch it basically does half the fight for you

r3 is super flexible you fr can take anything that fits the run

[jolly hound]

selene only if i'm running moon water and am scared or if it would set up a godsent triple kamehameha (Cause that'll phase chronos)

[frosty veldt]

I was thinking about that

[elfin heron]

armor will give you 2-3 free hits, then 3 more from lovers, then 3 more from DD's, then 1 more from Gale, then 1 more if you also grab Snow Queen, could be enough for Chronos depending on your skill

[broken creek]

1-3 from gale depending on how clean the rest of the region was

[elfin heron]

1 per phase?

[broken creek]

she has a 30(?) second cooldown between each block in a single room

so yeah you can end up using like 1 a phase assuming its going quick and the rest of the region was clean

[elfin heron]

makes sense yeah

[frosty veldt]

Appreciate the tips

[fluid cloud]

Hey guys, i just got a quick question.

I am currently trying to finish all prophecies and there is one called Sword of the Night, where you have to play specific weapons. What is meant with witch staff, i played every single staff, but it's not finishing this one. Am I missing something?

[buoyant matrix]

you have to win a run on the surface

[fluid cloud]

I did that with all 6 types already, that's why I am confused.

Exactly the ones named too hm

[buoyant matrix]

send an image of the prophecy in #h2-victory-boasting

[fluid cloud]

Will do in a second, thanks already

[frosty veldt]

They all have to be surface runs

Do you have the prophecy on your fates list?

[short raft]

Important: If you get level 4 Ephira as your last location; items in the hermes store WONT be delivered to you if you reach the last shop.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/616845281140408355/1497309328569532427/image.png?ex=69ed0d7a&is=69ebbbfa&hm=12ef6d259a7d326c5fb4de681366f21408a40571eff55a1aee8ae4673af2e75a&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=535&height=256

Also; Profusin Bleed and Viseral impact combine allow you to essencially solo Cyclops by getting poisioned.

it is very funny.

[dusky mountain]

whats a good and fun nergal build

classic apollo leg OATk?

[short raft]

Ephestus mana recovery coinflip with sacrifice rythm.

[dusky mountain]

what

xD

[short raft]

You can get +10 damage mitigation with ephetus mana recovery if you get another one first and then hit with sacritice rythm.

You then life steal with Nergal while suffering virtually no damage.

[dusky mountain]

whats s acrifice rhytm

[short raft]

a charon shop item, forces a boon replacement with better rearity AND +2 lvls

[dusky mountain]

ahhh i got it

[sterile sequoia]

hypnos wants me dead man he sent my ass to the summit with no magic regen on eos torches

i managed to get through without dropping any DDs but in the last phase i was just banking on blitz damage n hecuba digging up magic for me

[broken glen]

I mean, he's sleep incarnate, and you're the goddess of nightmares - did you really think there wouldn't be beef?

[elfin heron]

@broken creek I finally get what you meant about the tart enemy scaling, I was on 40f (max hordes) and kept taking side rooms, the last one was a family dispute, hera vs demeter, and the enemies wouldn't stop spawning, I took 50 damage, and there was no happy meal at the shop, still won though, my first 40f! #h2-victory-boasting message

[broken creek]

congrats on the fear pb! but yeah tart scaling really bites you in the ass if you arent careful about it

[elfin heron]

thanks! I'll probably try to push it to 50f with Rivals 4, but that's likely my limit

[azure cave]

Can the || Engraved Pin quest || be done on Chaos Trials?

[elfin heron]

the epilogue quest? yes, you can do it in the trial of doom

[crude dragon]

Can and arguably should

[glad cedar]

How does the game perform on PS5? I see some reports of crashes here and on Reddit..

Should I wait or get into it? 😁

[rotund sparrow]

I have been @ supergiant in every twitter post and am wishing one of them sees this. I would really like a dynamic background for the Xbox Series X

[eager gust]

i just screwed up so bad, i ran into dionysus for the first time and picked the one that hides your hp

i need to learn to read

[eager gust]

i personally havent had any issues with it

[crimson badger]

Is anyone else still having the game freezing issue before the victory screen after the latest hotfix?

[prisma monolith]

free hp, whats the issue?

[elfin heron]

that one is a good boon though

[eager gust]

i realised not knowing my hp kinda cooked me

maybe when i learn the game better itll be more helpful

[halcyon rain]

yea dio is a troll

[elfin heron]

what does it matter, you can't heal in this game

[prisma monolith]

not knowing your hp shouldnt matter unless you have the healing hex

outside of that, is quite literally free hp

[elfin heron]

yeah just buy the happy meal when you see it just in case, and you're good

[eager gust]

i thibk maybe it just threw me off because i wasnt expecting it

[prisma monolith]

like what do you need knowledge of your hp for

unless i really want one of the other 2, im always happy to see that one

its free

[eager gust]

knowing if im about to die 😭

[prisma monolith]

whats the difference?

you cant heal

do you only attempt to dodge if youre about to die?

you should be doing that the entire time

[eager gust]

i usually play a bit slower/safer if im about to die

[prisma monolith]

my hp has no effect on how i play, i always try to dodge as much as possible

[balmy jacinth]

bro aspect of pan goes stupid

[prisma monolith]

the borders of your screen flashes red if youre about to die btw

[balmy jacinth]

it’s literally a better chiron bow

[balmy jacinth]

nah word

[elfin heron]

I recommend turning that off btw, it's distracting

sucks that you can't disable it in Hades 1, another reason why 2 is better

[prisma monolith]

personally it doesnt bother me, since like i said, my hp has no effect on how i play

[elfin heron]

yeah but I want the full view, not this red stuff on the edges of my screen

[prisma monolith]

i cant say it bothers me

[balmy jacinth]

is it really that bad?

i’d assume you’d be focused on the actual fight and not the borders of your screen

[elfin heron]

there can be projectiles coming off screen

there's a reason why they added this option

[balmy jacinth]

that’s why you use your third eye gng

[elfin heron]

lol

[broken creek]

the amount of times the red edges make it harder to see things is absurd

in a game already with low visual clarity at high fear 🥀

[balmy jacinth]

haven’t done high fear yet so i wouldn’t know

it’s probably different

i just wanna wife up eris🤤🤤

[elfin heron]

yeah I've been thinking of getting some QoL mod to remove the low health effect in Hades 1

it doesn't help at all and only makes the game harder when I need to lock in

[elfin heron]

I just got a funny scene with her where she said she only throws trash to lure Mel in lmao

[balmy jacinth]

it works hook line and sinker

BECAUSE IM IN THERE

also anybody know the item i need to get for nemesis to further my relationship?

like the purple knot thingy after ambrosia and the hot springs

[elfin heron]

that's the infinity symbol lol, they just added this in the last patch

means you can gift this character infinitely, just for fun

[balmy jacinth]

so uh

does that mean i can keep giving her necter orrrr

[elfin heron]

bath salts, ambrosia, fishing lures

[balmy jacinth]

i see i see

tyvm

will i unlock new dialogue?

[elfin heron]

and then you'll see one of the new scenes, some are long, some are short, it's random

the bathing ones are good

[balmy jacinth]

#IMINTHERE1.3SECONDS

[near basin]

so what makes "the build" (zeus attack hera special) so good?

I think thats it right?

[crude dragon]

For which weapon?

[near basin]

uhh I guess the melinoe staff?

but I guess whatever fit for the above, I heards it meta

[crude dragon]

The reason why Zeus and Hera pair so well with each other is that Hitch is a debuff that likes having lots of damage to spread around to other enemies, and Blitz is one of the best flat damage sources in the game

And then on top of that, you have Static Shock, which is a really solid AoE option that only gets better by adding in Hitch

[near basin]

Hm okay I see that makes sense

[crude dragon]

On Mel Staff in particular, The Build™ is Blitz Attack and a percentage Special because the Special's flat damage is so high at rank 5, any Boon that gives a percentage boost is guaranteed to hit that 120-damage threshold in a single hit

[near basin]

oh okay yeah Ill keep that in mind, so you want the dps to insta proc blitz

[crude dragon]

While it's not always feasible (for instance, the knives), Zeus excels when you're able to immediately detonate Blitz

As opposed to his normal "still extremely strong" state

[jolly wing]

If you win every time, it takes 16 nights (including 1st night at surface) to reach credits.

[solid epoch]

ok nvm gif failure

[torn wind]

If somehow you manage to get every resource on your first surface before dying which is super rare

[jolly wing]

It takes

• Trick Knives hammer
• Epic Zeus Flourish
• Rare Static Shock
• Rare Flash Fry
• Vow of Frenzy (40%)
• Ghost Onion keepsake (max rank)
• Upgraded Arcana Cards

And RNG for 2nd Moss to spawn in room early

[near basin]

I was able to get lvl 18 Heroic Zeus attack. Shoutout to Hera who made it heroic, and then gave me all the levels. 2nd ||typhon ||win lets go

[crystal frigate]

Does the trai of doom still works when trying to do the find us Mel questline

[broken creek]

Yeah

[hushed cloak]

Bored and wanna think up the most damage you could do in a single attack w/o poms or dupe chaos boons

Hopefully my Hades 2 doesn't crash on startup like it's been doing for the last 2 days lmao

[broken creek]

Shiva aphro attack double crit nonsense

[cunning laurel]

is ares not better

[hushed cloak]

Was gonna say something with Mel axe lmao, haven't seen what Shiva does yet

[cunning laurel]

+150 power now

[hushed cloak]

Yeah wounds giving you 150 more power to work with goes crazy

[broken creek]

Oh yeah true

[sick patio]

hii, im a big simp of Heracles and ive been making runs to Olympus nonstop trying to get his bath escene but I think im missing something? I got his chibi icon on the keepsakes

[torn wind]

You might have to finish Dionysus’s as well idk

I haven’t actually messed with the new story content much and it would be hard for me to talk on requirements since I already had 100% before the patch

[halcyon rain]

oh yeah heracles bath scene

god... i've been doing pretty much only dream dives ever since the patch...

[torn wind]

Yeah I had just been doing speedruns and such so any time I got new dialogue I had a high chance of not advancing anything due to resetting the run to not lose Medea pity

Since speedrunning surface means resetting after every run so you don’t have to reset pity unless your run was good enough that you want it to go to the record keeper

I got the first dialogue like 20 times without ever advancing it lol

Funny thing is it was actually an unintentional time save since if you got Heracles on a non-menu item or in Thessaly you could leave the room or select a door immediately after talking to him rather than losing time having to wait for him to jump away

[sick patio]

God, i dont wanna deal with Dio tbh 😭 I JUST WANT TO SEE HERACLES

[frosty veldt]

Time to try some dreams

[frosty veldt]

How did your 56 run go earlier today?

[weary moon]

is it easy to get into the new stuff introduced in the update even if you're already post-epilogue? i havent opened the game again yet

[frosty veldt]

Should be, yeah

[weary moon]

alright nice

[near basin]

is strength still the move vs death defiance? isnt there always debate between the two

did strength arcana get a nerf at one point?

[bitter stirrup]

Paging @crude dragon

[crude dragon]

Yes

[near basin]

so do yall do strength or nah?

still worth post nerf?

[crude dragon]

I've found it more difficult to take Strength recently, though my 1.0 file only has it at rank 2

[proud swift]

I would say that Death is usually better when you're new but once you get better you'll want to start using Strength, until you start pumping up the fear levels where Death eventually becomes better again.

[strong rapids]

both are good, most experienced players take strength unless it's high fear in which case they take death. I personally prefer death in all scenarios

[near basin]

hm okay intersting I always have run death, thanks for the input

[strong rapids]

it's definitely worth experimenting with strength but don't feel pressured to use it just because other experienced players do

[proud swift]

Overall looking from a survival standpoint Death is better but definitely not needed until higher fear levels, with the main thing causing Death to be better being Vow of Scars.

[torn wind]

Yeah until you turn up scars strength is still viable to run and I've used it on 50+ fear runs before

[near basin]

I finally leveled up strength so yeah maybe I give it a go

[near basin]

what familars yall like?

[crude dragon]

Raki

I like the bird that gives crit

[near basin]

I thought toula was pretty beast which it is, but then learned that frinos HP boost can help with death defiance as well

[frosty veldt]

Gale

[near basin]

hm yeah I may give that critter a try

[near basin]

yeah flat crit is nice not to think about

[frosty veldt]

Takes 3 hits per region and has dodge chance at 6%

[crude dragon]

Gale is also quite good

[strong rapids]

I use raki always because he's the best for circe, and I don't wanna have to remember to switch to him every time I use circe. plus crit is cool

[near basin]

why is raki good for circe?

I was just about to use circe

[upper plover]

I just need to know, even if it contains spoilers
Is Hecate included in the Going Steady mechanic?

[strong rapids]

cause raki is the best at following enemies, unless you babysit toula and always keep her awake

[strong rapids]

no, no romance for her

[upper plover]

then...who is?

no story spoilers

[nova oar]

Nem, eris, icarus, and moros

[strong rapids]

if you don't recognize a couple of those names then keep playing

[upper plover]

Huh, I was expecting Artemis to be there

[nova oar]

You don't romance her, plus she's a virgin goddess

[strong rapids]

also she's your cousin right

[upper plover]

I don't understand how Nemesis is a valid option
She's awful

[strong rapids]

im also a nemesis hater

[upper plover]

🤝

[nova oar]

nemesis my beloved

[strong rapids]

my fave is eris, she's bratty yet funny rather than boring and mean

[nova oar]

Icarus is my fav

[frosty veldt]

[strong rapids]

and she calls Mel "babe" and "trouble"... like the romantic tension is crazy

[frosty veldt]

You discover more as time goes on.

[upper plover]

I'll wait till Hecate is an option 🙏

[nova oar]

She's not

[strong rapids]

😭

[frosty veldt]

[upper plover]

I will continue to cope

[strong rapids]

we need a hades dating sim where we can romance the characters without having to worry about the awkwardness of Mel's relationship to them

[nova oar]

ohhhh ur in for it

[halcyon rain]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

ah, no links... f

[heavy crow]

ffs im over 50 runs in I've almost beaten the entire game and the only reason I havent is because of fear, LET ME GET THE OTHER PETS ALREADY

[upper plover]

On a different topic

The Argent Skull feels like playing doom with warframe levels of screen effects

[halcyon rain]

you dont need any fear to get all pets

[nova oar]

you don't need to do fear for the pets?

[nova oar]

based

[heavy crow]

Thats more just to say I've got the game finished at this point, why is getting the last of the pets going to end up as post game content for me

[frosty veldt]

You def dont

[upper plover]

on more accurately, playing currency wars in honkai star rail

but I digress

[halcyon rain]

it happens, you probably could've gotten them a lot sooner

[heavy crow]

I've already beaten H with all the pets

she just doesnt feel like letting me get the others

so I can't even upgrade them making only tula really have use

[frosty veldt]

Which ones you missing?

[heavy crow]

Dog and weasel

[nova oar]

polecat*

[frosty veldt]

I could tell you locations if you want to know, without spoiling exactly

[heavy crow]

I can't recruit them until hec lets me

I've interacted with both over 4 times

[frosty veldt]

Have you crafted their currency?

[heavy crow]

as in each one over 4 times. Dogs been like 7 times

[heavy crow]

yes, I have 6 of them in my inventory

[frosty veldt]

Heres how to get Hecate to tell you, if you want. Its not really spoilers but just to make sure. ||You need to have ran 12 nights. Spend 4 biscuits on upgrades. Use Frino’s and/or Toula’s collection abilities (compel souls with Frinos / fish with Toula). Then Hecate has a dialogue that allows you to recruit them.||

[heavy crow]

||How do I get the upgrades then??? I havent even been given those.||

[frosty veldt]

Does it give you the option when you go to the familiar in training grounds?

[heavy crow]

Why infact it does not

[nova oar]

You need all pets before upgrades

[frosty veldt]

How many times have you brewed the snacks? You get another incantation?

[nova oar]

Everything else is correct

[heavy crow]

3

[frosty veldt]

Have you fought Hecate with the familiars you have?

[heavy crow]

Yes

[frosty veldt]

Hmm, did she comment on them?

[heavy crow]

yes

[frosty veldt]

The guide is very vague about what you do or dont need to do, trying to help but I also didnt have an issue getting them. Have you done a ton of incantations?

[heavy crow]

Yes, I only have like 6 incantations left total

[frosty veldt]

Do you have the upgraded tools?

[heavy crow]

all but the fishing rod are upgraded

[frosty veldt]

You may need that and use it. Some are saying use all weapons(not aspects) once as well, but im sure you've done that.

[glossy shadow]

"use it" meaning use the tool to dig it's resource, I don't know if animal friend doing so qualifies so to be extra thorough shift through the buddies

[heavy crow]

I still need to do a skull run

[nova oar]

Do that first

[frosty veldt]

Go for the materials you need for the rod while you're at it as well

[heavy crow]

Hopefully I can find some scales

but the game seems allergic to it

[nova oar]

Take raki with you to summit

[placid sonnet]

How many hours do hardcore fans of this game usually get? I'm at 80 so far

[nova oar]

400+

[torn wind]

If you're referring to the infusion elements granted by collecting resources you will still get them from using companions or from when you reach end game and unlock ||greatest gift of gaia which automatically collects all resources when you leave a room||

[heavy crow]

i can upgrade it right now, is just sad cause I was saving up for an aspect

[jolly hound]

410 rn not counting YouTube and here time

[worldly mantle]

i have 263 + 258 in hades 1. i wouldnt say hyper hard-core but id say im pretty good and reasonably dedicated

[rustic basin]

Alright, let's see what this patch has going on

[halcyon rain]

im at 500

[frosty veldt]

Im at 80ish as well, started last week. Got plat earlier today, just trying fear and dreams now

[balmy jacinth]

hades 1 i had about 150 ish hours? just sunk in my first like 25 into hades 2

[placid sonnet]

Good to know you can get a lot of mileage out of this game

[balmy jacinth]

oh you can get a ton

[placid sonnet]

80 hours might be off for me because I leave my game open a lot while I do stuff

[nova oar]

Depends on how interested you are in speedrunnig and high fear

[near basin]

is ares cast stronger than hestia?

scorch is strong, ares seems good Since I barely get him to show up lol

[nova oar]

Ares cast is kinda buns

Hestia is top 5 easy

Maybe top 3, depends on aspect

[near basin]

hm yeah scorch seems so good

[worldly mantle]

absolutely. its i have 0 idea how long it will take to get my coat time from 5:36 to my goal of 4:47 but all of that time is just more of a reason to enjoy playing the game

[near basin]

thx

[nova oar]

I got to 5.13 and gave up lmfaooooo

[worldly mantle]

what aspect

[nova oar]

Medea :(

[worldly mantle]

fair enough

im prob gonna push coat as far as i can and then switch medea to see just how fast i can go

[lusty hedge]

is there any way to turn on the old Chronos un pausing your game thing

[nova oar]

No

[worldly mantle]

not after the new patch, it got quite the buff

i still wouldnt call it great simply for origination activation but it does damage now

especially being modifiable with t2s

[worldly mantle]

yeahh its stuck like that

[nova oar]

Thought that was just wc

[lusty hedge]

why it was so much fun

[nova oar]

Too many noobs and larpers complained

[lusty hedge]

what? that was the reason

[worldly mantle]

sword ring got a damage buff

[nova oar]

Yeah they ended up moving it to the rivals version

[nova oar]

Good to know

[worldly mantle]

both sword and tidal are way better now

[nova oar]

Do they work with circe?

[worldly mantle]

yes!

[nova oar]

OH MY GOD

[worldly mantle]

tidal also can now hit several enemies reliably now

[lusty hedge]

how do you unlock the rivals past the first 1 have cleared a run with it on and like 10 fear

[frosty veldt]

Do surface and underworld run with rival on, for each tier as you move up

[lusty hedge]

ok thanks

[bitter stirrup]

I thought Sword Ring still didn't spawn double blades with Circe

[nova oar]

Rivals 4 isn't unlocked till post ending either

[worldly mantle]

rly?

i know they fixed tidal with circe

[nova oar]

Oh so you lied to me

[bitter stirrup]

Yeah Tidal works for sure is all I know

[worldly mantle]

i play coat i just echo what i hear from other runners

[nova oar]

smhing my head

[worldly mantle]

its not my fault im not liable

also smhing this girls head

its ok

im ok with spreading misinformation on the internet

even on accident

[near basin]

so for the final fight is it generally better to go engraved pin or knuckle bones? does knuckle boens only take 15% from the first phase of a boss? does it matter which final boss

like even if you dont get the hp from engraved pin, is the 10 second of DPS better than knuckle bones?

[worldly mantle]

if you have a high damage build or are just confident in your chronos, pin is probably better for survivability, knuckle bones would be safer though

if you dont think youll take much damage in the rest of the region, ghost onion could also be a good pick

[bitter stirrup]

Yes it only takes 15% from the first phase of Chronos because he has separate health bars

[worldly mantle]

also true

[near basin]

what if its the other boss? he has multiple phases kinda, but is it all 1 health bar?

[worldly mantle]

same with the other boss i believe

[bitter stirrup]

Nah I believe surface final boss only has 1 health bar

So Knuckle Bones and Old Grudge almost insta-phase him

[buoyant matrix]

knuckle bones is indeed great for typhon

[worldly mantle]

oh gotcha

[buoyant matrix]

old grudge does just insta phase him

[worldly mantle]

you can really tell how long its been since ive used knuckle bones

[near basin]

you think better than engraved pin?

[buoyant matrix]

phases 1-3 are each 20% hp

[bitter stirrup]

When that happens all damage you do before it procs is just wasted right?

[near basin]

knuckle seems so good to me on paper for a final boss, but engraved pin is so loved

[buoyant matrix]

depends on your build
you can sometimes deal more than 20% of his hp in 10 seconds

[worldly mantle]

im spreading so much misinformation today whoops

[buoyant matrix]

yes, if you have old grudge into surface just run at the start

[dull pike]

How do you get the epilogue with the engraved pin? Like complete an underworld run with the pin on the entire time or smthn ?

[bitter stirrup]

Best to do it in the Trial of Doom

I believe you have to ||trigger the pin in 3 straight rooms and beat the countdown, then die in the next room||

[dull pike]

Really?? Ughh 😭

But I have yet to do the trial of doom so I guess I'll be doing that

[worldly mantle]

its a bit roundabout for sure

[frosty veldt]

It has to be in ||oceanus|| so trial of doom is perfect for it

[heavy crow]

Do I have to beat the game to unlock ||rivals typhon and chronos?||

[nova oar]

Yes

[heavy crow]

sad, and I was gonna have an epic final battle if I could

[nova oar]

It's still epic in it's own way, you'll see

[worldly mantle]

i loved rivals 4 UW

its pretty epic

[frail crypt]

beat rivals cerberus for the first time

[nova oar]

Pretty easy, isn't he

[heavy crow]

I suspect so, just less cool its not my final fight with him before post game

[nova oar]

I promise you will not be disappointed

[heavy crow]

Dont overhype it now

[worldly mantle]

itll be cool dont you worry

[heavy crow]

The fact yall keep trying to reassure me makes me question if it is

[worldly mantle]

No actually he's prob my fav boss in the game

[frail crypt]

phase 1 is scary, but overall yeah

[jolly hound]

If one person is spinning a yarn sure but the whole server agrees that you’ll get your epic climactic chronos fight

[heavy crow]

Yeah but like, I already assumed that.

[bitter stirrup]

Cerberus Phase 1 is pretty skill-based unless you get a stupid circles pattern, Phase 2 can get very luck-based because more opportunity for stupid circles patterns

[jolly wing]

Is Ares Special good on Black Coat if you're dash striking all the time, or would Ares Dash be better?

[nova oar]

Special

[worldly mantle]

special generally

[jolly wing]

Wouldn't it hard to get a Special in if you have the +3 Dash Strike hammer?

[bitter stirrup]

Poseidon attack Ares special for the duo

If you enable auto-fire you will be able to special no matter what

[jolly wing]

I'll try auto-fire on special

[bitter stirrup]

What I do is hold down special most of the time, it will let you dash-strike while continuously firing special

[worldly mantle]

yeah arterial spray is great

though you can get it with dash too

the reason to use special is because frankly most ares boons are not very good

and its best to have on special where you dont use it much

[jolly wing]

How do I use autofire?

I was using Steam turbo mode.

[worldly mantle]

it then also frees up the dash for one that can get you a curse for origination

[worldly mantle]

ive never used it so i dont know, kinda forgot it was a thing

[scenic gust]

Charon item will expire after 2 Guardian... the Charon shop offer +X% Speed..... Where is my Special or Attack upgrade????????

Charon is messing with my damage rate

[worldly mantle]

h2 doesnt have an attack increase item (not counting the attack and special without primary boons), could only be special

other attack bonuses available are cast and omega moves

[scenic gust]

It's Omega run.

Or at least he could offer healing item

Heck you too Nemesis. Great dating character, But not as great in run. I have only 50 Coins but still she tries to steal it from me

[worldly mantle]

just win ez

[crude dragon]

Just win

[near basin]

do yall run the huntres arcana, generally speaking?

[torn wind]

It's one of those that you're likely just gonna end up having the space for naturally if you're running fates' whim

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzMiLCJjNiIsImM3IiwiYzgiLCJjMTEiLCJjMTIiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTciLCJjMTgiLCJjMjQiXQ==

[crude dragon]

If I'm using an Aspect that mostly focuses on the base Attack and Special, yes

[torn wind]

Eternity, night, unseen and moon are all useless if not outright bad 90% of the time

Like huntress just naturally slots into builds whether you like it or not

[crude dragon]

I mean, Night has its place on Omega-focused Aspects

[torn wind]

Some of them

Torches it can be alright but the crit effect apparently doesn't persist on the ospec if you activate another oattack

But it's amazing on eos

But for that I'd just take off wayward and messenger/runner rather than giving up huntress cause Eos also loves huntress

[crude dragon]

While I understand it'd be ridiculously strong if it worked on Charon...

I do wish it worked on Charon

[torn wind]

So like on 70% of aspects in the game on fates' whim you're gonna end up running the build I sent, only ever really chagning death for strength

[torn wind]

Yeah only way to use it is with the cast buffer tech

Which makes it viable if you can pull it off reliably

But it doesn't affect the casts, only oattack and ospecial

So it's honestly worth taking over huntress for charon even if you rarely ever use the buffer tech

Or again just keep both night and huntress and drop wayward and runner

Since occasionally using attack and special on charon is still an option

[frosty veldt]

I wish you could fight ||Charon|| like Hades 1

[torn wind]

We got ||Charon fight|| at home

The ||Charon fight|| at home:

[frosty veldt]

what?

[torn wind]

||Zagreus||

[frosty veldt]

Oh

[torn wind]

So on that point, moon isn't bad, just all the arcana required to activate it are bad

So by proximity it kinda makes it bad

But if you really NEVER plan to use huntress then might as well swap it for night just to get moon

Since some hexes are legitimately worth using from time to time

[crimson badger]

Anyone?

[near basin]

not me

[torn wind]

No issues here

[ebon sigil]

I like the aspect of Artemis. Even shorter cool downs would be nice and maybe even a hammer that shortens them I would take.

But it’s really satisfying break of flow between the attack attack dodge to be attack charge o attack face tank hit and then attack more with criticals. It’s really satisfying break

[worldly mantle]

no issues for me either

[bitter stirrup]

You can turn on auto-fire in the gameplay settings and bind a toggle for it, I use it on coat by holding down special and tapping attack

But you will not be able to use omegas (which I don't on coat, but many of the best players do occasionally) unless you toggle it off

[worldly mantle]

huntress activation is most of the reason i do

[bitter stirrup]

Yeah I just Ocast to activate Huntress if I have it nowadays, though if you have a mouse with side buttons (or play controller) it's easier to toggle it on and off in battle

[worldly mantle]

the nice part about ospec on coat is that its phase charge, and phase 1 is so fast

it doesnt take as much time out of your dash attack dps cycle

[torn wind]

Yeah most weapons have some very fast way to activate huntress in between waves

Coat or blades being the best example with how fast their ospecs are

And then proceeding to never use their omegas after you activate huntress

[worldly mantle]

flood gain my forever enemy

[torn wind]

Or glamour gain and cardio gain

But absolutely flood gain because you can’t take it since it ruins your ability to use huntress but you want it for king tide

[worldly mantle]

yup

and if i take breaker rush i dont get an origination dash

and then geyser spout isnt a primary so its less consistent

[torn wind]

Yeah so you’re forced to hunt for slippery slope and an origination cast if you want to take breaker rush

Otherwise you gotta get a cast early and hope for geyser

Annoying that tidal ring doesn’t count for king tide

[bitter stirrup]

Yeah Geyser being in the second group of King Tide prereqs is a weird quirk

I heard it's because of how it used to be in EA and they just never changed the prereqs lol

[worldly mantle]

even then, coat is so mobile you really want to be able to hit things hard after youve moved out of your cast area

there are plenty of damage thresholds that it makes hitting a lot easier

[torn wind]

Which makes it even funnier that they didn’t move profuse bleeding to group 3 for sanguinary

Since now it’s actually harder to obtain than cut above but does basically the same thing

It should be in group 3 alongside grievous blow

They just outright removed it from sanguinary savor so now the ONLY blade ability that gets you grievous blow is cut above which is arguably the most useless one on the large majority of aspects

So if you want to get apollo/heph duos early on you have to take cut above or a boon that doesn’t contribute to sanguinary, which is the main thing you would want for profuse bleeding

Just a really odd decision tbh

Since it makes the obvious synergy unviable to go for

[bitter stirrup]

They really didn't want Ares to go from #9 god to #8 god

[worldly mantle]

he got his own dedicated update to be the personality hire i guess

he really exists in my life for arterial spray and nothing more

[torn wind]

Literally that ONE change would have fixed him in my mind

Adding profuse bleeding to group 3

Then all you need is wounds, plasma, and profuse

And THERE YOU GO, god build ares

But now you need at least 5 boons, one of which is potentially useless, if you want to go all in on profuse bleeding and still have any hope to hit the duos before region 4

Boon 1 Apollo, Boon 2 Heph BUT DONT TAKE BOTH ATTACK AND SPECIAL, then HOPE you hit cut above which might be outright useless on your weapon

Now you gotta sit without an attack or special until you see ares again but hope it doesn’t also force you to take a duo over it cause you don’t know if you’ll see it again

Then you still need plasma and you don’t even have profuse bleeding

It’s just a whole load of work to get and isn’t even that incredible

Probably the most complex build routing in the game for what’s honestly just a “funny build”

[near basin]

so is ares like the weakest god? He seems so cool tho, are his boons just meh?

[nova oar]

I still think he's better than aphro, especially after the buffs

But it's pretty subjective

[torn wind]

He has close to no utility within other builds since his only strengths are in very specific circumstances

[near basin]

yeah I do see he doesnt do much other than his cool sounding debuff

[torn wind]

Don’t use omegas? Cut above is useless. Scars 3? Blood spree is useless. Aren’t playing omega casts? Meat grinder is useless. Didn’t take ares attack or special? No grievous for you.

Plasma isn’t even good or worth using on more than like 4 aspects in the game

[placid sonnet]

What is the diminishing return on Hasty retreat stacked with wispy wiles? I'm assuming they don't just completely stack

[near basin]

If only Yoru was the God of War

[torn wind]

I want to say somebody said there was a cap to dodge chance but idk

I want to say it just stacks linearly

Since stuff like Evade Evade Evade exists which goes all the way to 50%

[worldly mantle]

hard disagree for me

aphro raw damage is good, she has a couple solid t2s and her cast has utility even if its not strong

[torn wind]

Aphro has some of the best utility in the game as a backup god as well as multiple quite strong global damage buffs

[real scarab]

They stack, no diminishing returns

[torn wind]

30% damage reduction on glamour gain is huge. Which can become even stronger with broken resolve or even island getaway

Just like Aphro HAS uses if you bring her in as a backup god

Ares has basically none if you don’t take his attack or special or are playing a magick weapon

[real scarab]

My least used god in high fear is Pos now

[worldly mantle]

and his attack and special are rarely even worth it

[torn wind]

Poseidon is useless if your weapon doesn’t call for him

[worldly mantle]

yeah if youre not playing coat you dont play poseidon outside of tidal ring

[torn wind]

On weapons that want Poseidon? God tier absolute KING. On the other 80? Useless garbage

[real scarab]

Yea only his cast and hydraulic might are good

[worldly mantle]

yuh i love they guy

[real scarab]

His duos are pretty good tho

[torn wind]

Yeah froth is a quite good curse and hydraulic is amazing

[worldly mantle]

also he has sea star

[torn wind]

I’d say Poseidon STILL has more uses as a backup god than ares

[worldly mantle]

yup

[torn wind]

Since he can at LEAST be a decent cast curse and give some extra small buffs and some free gold

[real scarab]

His gain is okay but never the best choice for any aspect, like you can use it till you swap it with something better lmao

[worldly mantle]

id put demeter low down on the list as well but still easy above ares

[torn wind]

I only like flood gain if I’m not going for speed since it can screw you over on speed

If you don’t stack enough extra max magick

Or if your weapon is SUPER magick hungry and eats up your reserves while it’s on cooldown

[torn wind]

Demeter has some decent stuff. Arctic gale is great, freeze is a very solid safety curse, weed killer is big on some weapons

[unkempt zodiac]

entered second phase typhon with 2 dds left on 45f (which for me would be a pb). did not reach phase 3. unfortunate.

[worldly mantle]

arctic gale, weed killer, snow queen are all great. freeze is great for higher fear

also she has good duos

[placid sonnet]

Interesting, that's good to know

[slim pike]

Ares has mutual destruction and cut above without cores and they're great

[torn wind]

My personal god ranking for overall usefulness is Hera, Zeus, Hephaestus, Apollo, Demeter, Aphrodite, Hestia, Poseidon, Ares

Subject to change by weapon obviously