h2-discussion

[elfin heron]

also, Cerberus' ultimate attack is 100, I believe

[willow fog]

Is there a viable way to generate armor

[willow fog]

LMFAO

[elfin heron]

arachne keepsake

[red fox]

Trusty shield

[willow fog]

I got hit for 99 because I had the hep boon to reduce damage by 1

Thank you Hep, really clutched it

[elfin heron]

lol

[willow fog]

Im finally clicking with some weapons

[elfin heron]

but tbh that attack is easy, everything is red except for the circle around Cerb, just rush there

[willow fog]

The sister blades are better than I expected

[lean bronze]

ima go tank one if i remember

[willow fog]

And yeah I was just so far away I couldnt see cerberus on screen

[lean bronze]

never took it iirc

[willow fog]

Theyre basically the rogue build

You can get crazy backstab damage even without boons

[elfin heron]

you want to stay behind him because it's the safest

[willow fog]

Got it, I have been offscreen firebreathed before

[halcyon rain]

okay this might sound random do you play fighting games?

[willow fog]

Its not random, and yeah I do

[halcyon rain]

"hit confirm" lol

[willow fog]

Is it not a hit confirm? And I just slow to dodge out

[halcyon rain]

yeah yeah I mean the term used

Fgc term

[willow fog]

Ohhh yeah lmao

Just a bit of overlap because getting combo'd in hades is rough

The stand rush

[lean bronze]

when you get pos flourish on eos
HAHA YES

[low zenith]

I do kinda wish that ||dream dives could have gatherable resources in them, like lone shades etc||

[reef sail]

What are the strongest circe boons?

[nova oar]

Depends how lucky you are

[crude dragon]

Depends on the run, but generally it's One Makes You Larger, One Makes You Smaller, and the familiar passive upgrade

[reef sail]

I had a feeling those two were good

[torn wind]

Yeah the added survivability of those is generally best unless you get really lucky and land a good Black Night Banishment

I got pain banished on a 58 run so that made it basically free

[broken creek]

the one that removes a fear vow can be nice if it snipes a hard one and the activates an arcana one is super good when youre playing with void, otherwise theyre all kinda whatever they summed it up

[crude dragon]

Alternatively, it hits Void

Which Supergiant still didn't blacklist

[broken creek]

they really shouldnt let it hit void

or like rework it to let you make an arcana set but just disable it all

[shadow spruce]

hai, i was wondering at what point do i have to be in on the first game to be able to play the second game without like missing anything if ykwim, i just beat the final boss for the first time today on the first game

[reef sail]

That’s mostly all you need to do

[broken creek]

well the hades 2 is a sequel but what happens in the first game isnt required to understand the 2nd

[reef sail]

One tiny detail of the true ending of 1 is mentioned in 2

If you want to make sure you understand every reference made

Although it’s also just… mythology

The explanation for why 1 continues after your first victory is a minor plot point in 2

[nova oar]

You need to beat hades 9 more times for the ending, and then probably hop over

[shadow spruce]

alright bet

[reef sail]

And you get that explanation after the credits, so yeah I jumped the gun

You would want to at least get 10 wins

[shadow spruce]

alright guys thank you 🙏🙏🙏

soon i will be on hades 2

[short jay]

I am getting better very quick

I made am omega special build for the black coat

[still mantle]

A classic

[short jay]

Check it out :) it's not the best but it's fun

[reef sail]

Huh, i finished half of the reqs for “Become Night’s Champion” when they were 4F UW and 6F surface

Oh, duh

I just haven’t claimed the first one

[short jay]

Lol

[reef sail]

Was like why did it get harder 😭

….

[crude dragon]

10 wins total

[reef sail]

Well, at least it’s not another statue of Skelly

[short jay]

Thankfully... Tho the first statue doesn't look good-

[fluid terrace]

after almost 100 hours I finally got the bearing dark gifts prophecy on a 4 win streak to finish out the final aspects

[worldly mantle]

Congratulations

[fluid terrace]

now I just need to figure out what the hell a great chaos trial is lmao

[worldly mantle]

I thought they were very fun

Chaotic, some would say

[fluid terrace]

some would say indeed

is there any strategy? you don't get to pick literally any aspect of your build right?

[worldly mantle]

I don't remember if you get to select your weapon or not but yeah, just rng, skill or some combination of the two

[broken creek]

just know how to build craft properly

its random vows, arcana, weapon, and keepsakes in each region iirc

[fluid terrace]

oof, random keepsakes is brutal

[worldly mantle]

Imo above is easier because ephyra lets you buildcraft faster

[fluid terrace]

does it at least only give you the feats whim if you can use it

[worldly mantle]

I don't know mechanically how it works but that sounds correct from my experience

Though it's been a couple hundred hours since I've done a chaos run

[fluid terrace]

valid

[broken creek]

i mean as long as you dont roll into reroll arcana i think so?? but idk how it takes priority

just assume you arent getting whim keepsakes

its not as hard as it sounds unless you get some evil vow combos

[fluid terrace]

how is improbable outcomes a more common achievement than great chaos below?? don't you need to do both in a row to get improbable outcomes?

[broken creek]

improbable outcomes is the 2 chaos trials in a row right??

it doesnt explicitly require great chaos stuff iirc

[worldly mantle]

^

[fluid terrace]

ah ok

maybe I'll go for that one first to get used to the chaos stuff before going for great below

[worldly mantle]

That being said I did my improbable including both greaters lol

It shouldn't be too bad, you got this

[broken creek]

its not crazy to reroll it until you get a weapon you like tbf

[worldly mantle]

Tru

[fluid terrace]

this is the plan, I simply despise the torches

[worldly mantle]

What's your fav that you're hoping for?

[fluid terrace]

any staff aspect

also ok with most of the knives and the good skull or axe aspects

[worldly mantle]

I see I see

[reef sail]

Does gaining magick while full count as gaining for the Hera duo?

[worldly mantle]

No

It's recovering magic

[reef sail]

There goes my grisly gain idea

[worldly mantle]

I like it with cardio gain on possessed array skull or mirrored thrasher staff

Also works well generally on flames

And psychic whirlwind axe as well probably

[reef sail]

Flames are so good at spending magick

[worldly mantle]

Indeed

[reef sail]

Learning I can reroll one of the doors when there’s ash and bones showing at the same time to force nectar is doing wonders for my nectar stonks

[worldly mantle]

You can also any major reward into other types of major rewards, like hearts into boons. Rolls are really powerful

But yeah for minor rewards, only having three of them is good for rng control

Are you trying to gain a lot of favor for a particular NPC?

[reef sail]

Not any particular one

I’m post credits and have a lot of bonds to work on

One a night from the shop ain’t cutting it

[willow fog]

It hurts when the last area of the underworld wont give you a shop

[reef sail]

It always gives you exactly one shop

Doesn’t it?

[worldly mantle]

Yeah endshop only and is guaranteed

Same with region 3

[scenic gust]

Lmao Fire Away blocks all Prometheus projectiles. He can kick you but now he is a mere mortal who knows how to kungfu

Especially with daddy cast throw sticking the cast into his body

[short jay]

I love hades cast

Literally saves me alot of trouble against eris

[queen wren]

Is there a reason why the roman numeral for 4 in Tartarus is IIII and not IV?

[worldly mantle]

cuz they're not roman, theyre greek (/j)

its probably for readability

all the other numbers are symmetrical, where as IV is not

so it could look backwards and seem like VI instead

[prisma monolith]

Some old clocks would have IIII instead instead of IV

[queen wren]

I did not know that!

[queen wren]

That makes sense!

[prisma monolith]

The why I dont know, but yeah ive seen it myself

[nova oar]

Yeah, some of the tart doors are viewed from the back, depending on the room

[prisma monolith]

Its a contant topic even outside of hades

https://monochrome-watches.com/why-do-clocks-and-watches-use-roman-numeral-iiii-instead-of-iv/

[placid sonnet]

Aspect of Eos kinda nutty, killed Scylla in like 20 seconds

[granite cosmos]

Don't you just hate it when the gods turn you into a spider

It a bummer

[red fox]

Tbf the spider life look chill

[nova oar]

Arachne seems pretty happy

[torn wind]

If I get turned into a spider does my brain chemistry get reworked to actually find bugs appetizing or do I have to keep finding it gross until I get used to it

[nova oar]

Mostly

[nova oar]

Eating insects isn't that bad tbh

[red fox]

Thats why you click menace so she occasionally has seafood to eat

Just too bad sometimes mel go into her feeding room release her prey

[torn wind]

I know I've done it before but like do I WANT to eat bugs or do I just find it kinda tolerable

[nova oar]

I like eating bugs :(

Especially grasshoppers and witchity grubs

[foggy sable]

what if Artemis joined in on you and Nemesis fighting enemies

[nova oar]

Yuri threesome

[granite cosmos]

Lets go lesbians

[worldly mantle]

its not that bad but i dont like it a whole lot

[foggy sable]

not what I was thinking but sure

[worldly mantle]

thats what im thinking thou

[reef sail]

Nemesis paying me to let her smack me was the funniest thing ever

And then one time she paid me to smack her

[placid sonnet]

A lot of people probably would let her do it for free

Every time I run into the tall order boon I'm just wondering how TF

How does one get all the infusions for that?

[nova oar]

You only need 8 of 1

Things like earth and water are really easy to get with the right god pool

[prisma monolith]

Yeah you dont need 8 8 8 8, just one. So 1 8 1 1 will do it

[slim pike]

it says or

[reef sail]

New horrifying weakness discovered: frenzy eris

Chadthena showed up to replace the two DDs I lost at least

[slim pike]

Frenzy unrivalled eris?

[reef sail]

nervous laughter

No, just regular

[red fox]

Frenzy rival eris is playing floor is lava

[buoyant matrix]

no make it frenzy 🤑

[reef sail]

And just frenzy 1

[slim pike]

Oh, heh, try playing her on dream depth 4, unrivalled and frenzy II

now that's a fast birb

[reef sail]

Do I Pom my comically large heroic aphro flourish to go from 360 to 370, or my sworn strike from 85 to 95, hmm

Choices

[worldly mantle]

depends what your primary dps source is

[reef sail]

I have an attack hammer so it might be the attack honestly

I’ll just Pom heroic sweet surrender, sounds fun

[worldly mantle]

what weapon are you on

[reef sail]

Nyx coat

[prisma monolith]

Reading? In my actions roguelike? Blasphemy

[worldly mantle]

id generally pom the attack then

[reef sail]

Oh no, talos has backup

But I have autocharm

[reef sail]

Ty

[slim pike]

Rarer than I'd like to believe

[worldly mantle]

Reading? In my action roguelike? Blasphemy

[torn wind]

Reading is hard when some of the wordings are so inconsistent

Or just outright wrong

Profuse bleeding used to just entirely misinform you

[prisma monolith]

I mean tall order seemed clear to me

[torn wind]

It used to say “when enemies with wounds take damage” when in reality it only counted attacks and specials

[torn wind]

I know just trying to make a joke

[prisma monolith]

I see

[torn wind]

[prisma monolith]

[short raft]

Fenzy in H2 is busted, is not like H1 where its just walk fast, they spam fater, attack, move, cast inner cold down faster, ect.

[prisma monolith]

Its the same as h1 tho

What makes harder than h1 is the fact that you cant dashslop spam

[torn wind]

Yeah that’s how forced overtime worked too

Just makes everything regarding enemies run faster

[prisma monolith]

They attacked faster too

[torn wind]

I know that’s what “everything” implies

[prisma monolith]

Yeah

[short raft]

Ah true, we dont have dash 2

[prisma monolith]

In that sense, yes is more dangerous, but the system works the same

[short raft]

I used a mod to have 2 dashes cuz i was tired for Rival Heca spamming 6 circles while having 3 balls aiming at me with a single dash.

That stuff aint right.

[reef sail]

[prisma monolith]

Eh to each their own i suppose

I enjoy that fight. That said I never used double dash in h1

So I was used to timing my dashes

[short raft]

H1 greatest dash spammer

[reef sail]

Pizza with nuthin meme but it’s hades 1 without extra dashes

[prisma monolith]

I found the gameplay more enjoying that way, I had to look at the fight as a challenge, instead of just abusing dash for iframes

Also increased my dmg

[reef sail]

Just bind dash and attack to the same key and eliminate the iframe crutch

[prisma monolith]

Which i liked

[prisma monolith]

Why do that when I could just not double dash and still get a benefit

Like increased damage and dodge chance in the case that I messed up

I really that alternate upgrade way more than double dash

And it translated well into h2

[strong rapids]

i do like the crazy mobility of hades 1 but it hurts my finger after a while so i think its smart that they tuned it back for hades 2

[short raft]

whats not smart is their over reliance on projectile spam on bosses, makes damageless stuff essencially impossible

[worldly mantle]

I play Mel coat so I get innate extra speedy

[worldly mantle]

I disagree personally, I'd say most bosses have pretty well telegraphed attacks with reasonable dodge windows

We never get any bullet hell phases like other iso or top down roguelikes

[fathom tartan]

miss it to, but sprint with boons is quite nice too

[worldly mantle]

It was definitely the most jarring part of switching games

[fathom tartan]

also when you gain speed (from different sorces) two dashes are no need so much

[strong rapids]

the only attack that i find super hard to nohit is ||babality (aka final phase of rivals typhon)|| but even that isnt unfair just very hard

[fathom tartan]

||yeah its rough||

[nova oar]

I've found it very luck based

Same with the entirety of p3 chronos

[fathom tartan]

but I guess it should be, to feel good immersion, the terror of situation?

[reef sail]

Yall nohitting stuff huh

[nova oar]

In a 62 I (almost) nohit hecate to p3 chronos

God I hate that fight sometimes

[strong rapids]

😭 no im a facetanker

[reef sail]

Hp is a resource 🗣️

[strong rapids]

i think the game is balanced around consistently taking chip damage so that defensive/healing boons/arcana actually feel useful

[strong rapids]

exactly

[worldly mantle]

But if you go fast enough nothing hits you anyway

[nova oar]

Defo

Strength leans into that even harder

[reef sail]

Yea I’ve yet to have any build do THAT much damage

[worldly mantle]

Wantler

[reef sail]

What did you just call me

[nova oar]

If you metagame and take wantler then every build gets to busted levels

[worldly mantle]

White antler keepsake

[short raft]

How often have you faught Hec 2, specially the Circle spam variant while Twilight Curse spreads? or Typhon egg spam as fake chronos channels a nuke?

[nova oar]

They just called you the hades slur :P

[short jay]

Wantler?

[worldly mantle]

Plenty

[short jay]

What's wantler-

[worldly mantle]

White antler

[nova oar]

They're all dodgeable with good awareness and lots of practice

[short jay]

Ohhhhhh moros

[nova oar]

Artemis actually

[short jay]

Oh-

[nova oar]

Moros is the pin

[short jay]

Well I'm dumb

[reef sail]

bro reaches up and pulls his own antler off to hand to us

[strong rapids]

white antler is the keepsake artemis gives you that locks your max health to 30 but gives you crazy crit chance so you melt everything

[worldly mantle]

But only for one region

[short jay]

It's a show of love

[short jay]

So take it to the last region?

[worldly mantle]

Yeah generally

[nova oar]

You can't take damage if chronos dies in 20 seconds

[reef sail]

Counterpoint: I bet I still can

[worldly mantle]

You can, during invul phases

[strong rapids]

he does like going invulnerable though

[short jay]

Counterpoint:my skill issue

[reef sail]

Hold my ambrosia

[nova oar]

Ok well you could if you stand in the one shot but even then wantler lets you phase skip

[reef sail]

I would need phasing power on par with beo to not get hit in that fight

[nova oar]

You can do it with any aspect

[short raft]

I have 1000 hours into this game, i play on Rivals 4 60% of that, Hec Curse aint reliable dodgable without taking damage from the witches, circles and the curse itself.
Typohn has 40% chance to spam eggs in the circle you are mean to stay in as chronos channels, making the fight impossible to do hitless, disagree if you want but thats factual.

[reef sail]

You can, perhaps

[short jay]

Counterpoint to the full screen one shot from chronos:I kill you before you do it a second time

[short jay]

Just grab frinos

[nova oar]

I dodge rivals hec curse all the time, done so many attempts at 62, plus I nearly always have gale and lover blocks for that

[worldly mantle]

Just dodge

[reef sail]

I do enjoy when he’s low enough and I’m confident enough that I can kill him while he’s doing that move

[marsh spear]

I love how i discovered the mechanics of VoR in Dreams the hard way

[nova oar]

And i've never had typhon rival eggs block anything in the hundred+ runs i've fought him

[short raft]

frinos my beloved
that wont stop typohns eggs tho

[worldly mantle]

Just don't get egged

[short raft]

happen in my last 7 runs lol

[short jay]

Just kill em

They are easy

[nova oar]

Might just be an issue pertaining to your level of skill

[short raft]

Thats not the point.

[reef sail]

Lovers blocks the polymorph?

[strong rapids]

😭

[prisma monolith]

It is def dodgeable, just need better awareness

[marsh spear]

I should use Frinos 🐸 more, i tend to overuse Hecuba and Raki

[worldly mantle]

It does not

[nova oar]

No, it blocks extra damage while I avoid the polymorph

[reef sail]

Aww

[nova oar]

If I get hit at all

[short jay]

It is dodgeable, very easy tbh but frinos is just better

[reef sail]

I didn’t know she still uses the curse in ur

[short raft]

The point aint killing em, its how much the boss allows you to properly dodge it.

[reef sail]

The one time I did that fight I don’t remember her doing it

[nova oar]

It also gets worse, but still easy to dodge with the right pattern

[prisma monolith]

This is beside the point, is it easier with frinos, yes. But you can totally dodge it without it

[strong rapids]

if youre having trouble dodging try taking aspect of artemis, the parry is totally busted (i love misinformation)

[short jay]

Yeah I did it multiple times but again, frinos

[short raft]

Okay then, yll call it dodgable, anyone got a video of dodging the curse while on circle spam?

[worldly mantle]

It did get buffed this patch

[short jay]

https://tenor.com/view/hades-ii-hades-2-frog-pet-the-frog-myaouchie-gif-17214729938743283751

Do gifs not work?

[worldly mantle]

No embeds

[reef sail]

You don’t have image perms

[short jay]

How do I unlock it?

[reef sail]

Laugh at this user (nobody does)

And you don’t

[short jay]

[nova oar]

You do realise you can just position yourself better to not get hit, no attack/s in this game are undodgeable

[reef sail]

I remember when embeds worked in the h1 channel, I guess someone abused that if they changed it

[nova oar]

Yeah there were some bad things posted

[strong rapids]

true i think its 10 now? it could honestly be dropped to like 4, and maybe rebalance riposte. maybe im just ignorant but i dont understand why we need a parry on a 10 second cooldown when we have an iframe dash on a 1 second cooldown

[short jay]

Also bouldy got a beard

[nova oar]

He always had one

[short jay]

No not in hades 1

[worldly mantle]

He just shaves

[nova oar]

Yeah it probably is still one of the weaker aspects

[short jay]

But cerberus blocks him

He wants all the pets

[dusky mountain]

hey Luthien can you show me your go to fear setup for all your 40f clears?

[short raft]

Okay then, i want a clip of that, its easy enough to just say 'lol dodge it', i want to see it done, to see if im doing something wrong, then.

[worldly mantle]

W growth mindset

[reef sail]

That Mach speed cyclops rock shockwave:

[nova oar]

Go watch boated or checkmate do it then

[worldly mantle]

True

[short jay]

One way I disrespect bosses is collecting any collectables mid fight

[nova oar]

They have hundreds of 62+ runs uploaded

[reef sail]

Me during the Simon says every time

[short raft]

Idk who are those.

[strong rapids]

true i love their voicelines

[nova oar]

I love doing this

[worldly mantle]

Speedrunners

[reef sail]

They never say anything to me wth 😭

[short jay]

Like yeah you are a boss and all buuuuuut I want those flowers

[nova oar]

https://youtube.com/@boat3d?si=OUd_40cy_gYl3AC2

[short jay]

Actually I want to mine, midfight against Eris and you just mine

[strong rapids]

i wonder if anybody has survived a boss fight by picking a flower mid-battle with the demeter boon that heals you when you collect resources

[nova oar]

Boated got the first 1.0 max fear

[reef sail]

I also love when echo echoes you talking to boons

[short jay]

That'd be scary-

[nova oar]

Checkmate is just one of the homies

Who's also done max fear

[worldly mantle]

And also now a top 5 anyfear runner

[reef sail]

“On my authority… my authority… my authority “

[nova oar]

https://youtube.com/@getcheckmatedmate?si=mVn-4QK83ZDtevU1

[short jay]

Watch her accidentally get a boon from one of the gods-

[nova oar]

That too

[worldly mantle]

Also someone to watch for high fear is TheDarkOmen, 3/4 major high fear speedrunning world records are his rn iirc

And the one he doesn't have I think he's second?

Great ||morrigan|| player

[short jay]

I'm watching this YouTuber called tulokmango6684 rank the bosses and it's just so funny, some points are ok but you cant hate on a boss because they are given stuff like curse and promethese fire lines

[worldly mantle]

You can hate on a boss for any reason

Personal taste exists

I just enjoy all the bosses cuz I like the game tho

Except unrivaled Typhon he's boring

[short jay]

So you will hate on cerberus because he makes you run around? Or rivals cerberus and polymeth for the fire and poison? I'll be honest yes I agree with you on personal taste but it's not a deal breaker for me since I love all bosses

[worldly mantle]

I won't

[strong rapids]

i find rivals hecate kinda a slog, and rivals eris too cause she spends so much time in the air

[short jay]

I do hate Eris for how much she flies around and dodges your cast

Like you need hades cast to keep it on her

[short raft]

LOL
"how is that dodgable"
"Just use Loved bro to not worry about the circle and focus on the curse."
I knew it.

[nova oar]

I have lovers as a backup

It's still dodgeable

[short raft]

Sure

[slim pike]

Unrivalled morphball?

[short jay]

The circle is super easy, first time I dealt with it I thought it damages you if you are inside of it

[slim pike]

There's a few methods and a few ways to help yourself

[short jay]

Tho then I learnt it's just the edges

[slim pike]

Frigid and and Blinding Gust make it free

[torn wind]

Yeah the only things in the game that can’t be dodged is stuff that isn’t an attack like Pin

[short jay]

Or a grab

[torn wind]

I mean you can dodge the grab though

[slim pike]

Can you still parry Chaos' doomed curse?

[torn wind]

Yes

[slim pike]

lol

[short jay]

That'd be funny- say hwhat

[strong rapids]

is doomed the die after 120 seconds one?

[slim pike]

artemis parry, yeah

[torn wind]

You can parry any source of damage that happens while you’re actionable other than poison

[slim pike]

yep

[short jay]

Well damn Artemis you the goat

[strong rapids]

😭 thats pretty funny. though i dont think thats ever gotten me before

[torn wind]

You can parry fire on the ground lol

[slim pike]

What if the creator of all reality wanted you to die, but a sickle and dagger said "nah"?

[short jay]

You'd have to be really slow to die to it

[short jay]

Nuh uh I parry

[worldly mantle]

Just like irl

[short jay]

In the name of Artemis and girlboss

[reef sail]

I died to it once 😭

[slim pike]

Or not count properly and realise you gotta do unrivalled Scylla as room 2 of 3

[reef sail]

Took it right before my first time trying UR hec

[short jay]

Oof-

[torn wind]

But yeah everything can be parried so long as you can activate Artemis counter and it isn’t a status effect like poison

[worldly mantle]

It's ok to take your time to smell the roses just don't get cursed

[torn wind]

Even Pin can be parried

[short jay]

The roses bite back it seems

[torn wind]

So you can take pin as a free source of 10 seconds of invulnerability with no downside as long as you can heal

[worldly mantle]

They're called thorns by most people

[short raft]

Rival Curse ball, yeah
Ive talked here that if you get circle spam Hec that attack convo is undodagble by a normal player.

[short jay]

Oh no these ones have mouths- they bite

[torn wind]

So if you take self healing you can die to activate pin, deal 10 seconds of damage while fully invulnerable, then parry the instakill and live on because self healing healed you

[slim pike]

I honestly find lunar ray trickier to do

[short raft]

No one has proven me otherwise with clips, and videos of the channels send to me always have Lovers, essencially proving my point.

[torn wind]

And that works even in high fear since self healing works through scars 3

[short raft]

Lunar ray has a spot on the far left where it will never hit you.

[slim pike]

That's useful but you're still being chased by three morph balls

[torn wind]

Oh wait that just made me think. I can parry Pin using lunar ray 🔥

Unless it ignores armor

[nova oar]

You can just say that you're bad lol

[short raft]

🤔 i could have swear you can hug the wall and just dodge up and down, but thats maybe my memory begin bad again.

[torn wind]

On rivals that becomes and issue due to sheep ball split

Good luck keeping a consistent path without a proper setup

If you make the ball turn then the split can get very unpredictable

[short raft]

Im not saying im not, but also you've yet provided evidence of your claims so like, yeah

[torn wind]

Prom memory game can be dodged

Chronos insta works the same way

It just does damage to an area for a short enough time that you can I-frame it

[nova oar]

I can't do a run rn, let alone hope for the right sequence, but you haven't provided evidence either

[torn wind]

Being bad at something is not proof it isn’t possible

[strong rapids]

i can agree that there are attacks that are mostly infeasible for a regular player to dodge consistently, but like i said the game is balanced around health and armor being used as resources. hence why wayward son and trusty shield and such exist. usually the really hard-to-dodge spam attacks dont do much damage, like the hecate orbs or the ||babality|| orbs

also i dont think everything in a game needs to be nohittable by an average player

[torn wind]

Tanking damage during Typhon is not a recipe for success and his chin slam is intentionally made hard to i-frame

[worldly mantle]

Not every disagreement needs to be a moderated debate with gathered evidence, we have our opinions and nobody wants to go and prove what's possible so y'all can just. Disagree. Maybe come back to it later or maybe don't idc. But you're not required to change people's minds to have an opinion on it

[nova oar]

mhm

[short raft]

Aye

[torn wind]

Water isn’t wet

[short raft]

its a video game only, after all.

[strong rapids]

i am only talking about the rings of yellow orbs chronos throws at you during babality, they arent that damaging even if you get hit by like 10 of them. source: i usually do

[reef sail]

-# Proof?

[short raft]

Is nitrogen water /s

[worldly mantle]

I think it is cuz water is saturated with water. Only a lonesome water molecule isn't wet.

[slim pike]

Hug your grandpa, his orbs won't hurt there

[torn wind]

They’re like 25 damage on Pain 3 so probably not the best idea

[strong rapids]

okay pain 3 is a different story

[short raft]

always hug your gramparents

[reef sail]

Hugging your dad used to always work

[torn wind]

Wet implies something is soaked BY water

[reef sail]

But hugging your grandpa doesn’t?

[torn wind]

But that’s all I was just making a joke

[slim pike]

well you need to be in the circle

[nova oar]

Water isn't wet

[slim pike]

so it's a temporary evasion

[worldly mantle]

What if I don't have any live grandparents

[slim pike]

but also everyone takes unecessary damage feeling like they can't leave the circle

[short raft]

idk man, i got no grand paps either : (

[worldly mantle]

Water is soaked by water

[torn wind]

So is fire on fire

[worldly mantle]

Yeah

[slim pike]

Grandpa gets salty when I spray him with water

[torn wind]

So fire is burnt

[reef sail]

But the very top layer of water is soaking th layer below

[slim pike]

because it's sea water

[nova oar]

Water molecules aren't wet

[reef sail]

And not soaked by any water itself

Checkmate

[nova oar]

Wet is something + water molecules

[torn wind]

Something is burnt if fire burns it. Something is wet if water soaks it

[worldly mantle]

No it hasn't gone thru an oxidation reaction

[slim pike]

fire is plasma

[strong rapids]

ares reference

[slim pike]

the other plasma

[strong rapids]

🥀

[slim pike]

silly factoid: The 4 classical elements are just the 4 states of matter badly named

[worldly mantle]

Exactly so it can't undergo an oxidation reaction itself and as such can't be burnt

[reef sail]

Apparently science says only solid surfaces can be wet

[worldly mantle]

Who is science saying this

[reef sail]

John Science himself

[short raft]

Ok so, i got every boon i needed in erebus, what do you guys pick in Oceanus in situations like this?

[strong rapids]

thats interesting. i would be inclined to say that humid air is wet, but i can understand an argument to the contrary

[slim pike]

Calling Card or Time Piece

[reef sail]

Eg

[worldly mantle]

Fig

[torn wind]

Solearth, watiquid, gair, and firsma

[reef sail]

Science also says flames aren’t plasma

[short raft]

in non FateW runs

[reef sail]

Take your complaints to John Science tho, not me

[slim pike]

Mate, I'm a dragon made of the stuff, I know what I mean

[worldly mantle]

Blood dragon?

[reef sail]

Unless ur made of rocket fuel ur flames are not plasma

[slim pike]

It's hot enough to ionise gases, it plasma

[reef sail]

Which bog standard flames aren’t

[torn wind]

I love how much chaos I created just by saying water isn’t wet

[strong rapids]

XD

[reef sail]

Next ur gonna tell us the sky isn’t blue (it isn’t)

[worldly mantle]

Glad I'm not water

[reef sail]

It just looks blue

[slim pike]

but air is blue

[strong rapids]

speaking of chaos i was just wondering what a chaos boss fight would be. similar to how we got a charon fight in h1 and a zag fight in h2

[torn wind]

I have pulled up to the bar, punched somebody in the face and said “EVERYBODY FIGHT”

[torn wind]

Hold up. What do you mean by that

[reef sail]

Every button you can possibly press damages you

[worldly mantle]

I have pulled out a bone colored business card and just like water, it's wet

[worldly mantle]

Don't worry about it

[strong rapids]

😭 thats actually genius, dealing damage every time you press a button would be cool. thats like a slay the spire boss type challenge

[slim pike]

Chaos gives you medea skull and possessed array, but also the gagged curse, have fun

[reef sail]

Imagine if codex tech worked in h2

[worldly mantle]

There is codex tech in h2

[torn wind]

It’s something new they call Scilian Rail

[reef sail]

[slim pike]

Not as good as Adamant Rail

[worldly mantle]

I vehemently disagree

Big adamant rail hater here

[slim pike]

Eris hater detected

[torn wind]

Eggshell with Romalian Type

[reef sail]

How could you put any more Amant on that rail

[worldly mantle]

Also hate eris and it's 50% because of Adamant Rail and 50% because of eris

[strong rapids]

i like the rail but i so badly wish it would automatically reload while youre attacking. interrupt my damage but DONT make me move my finger

[slim pike]

I remapped the reload to a paddle button on my controller

[torn wind]

I’ll do one better. Multiplyamant rail

[reef sail]

I had a specific bind I only used for the rail on h1

[slim pike]

way comfier when playing hestia rail

[worldly mantle]

If I play rail I play supersoaker end of story

[reef sail]

For cast launchers I put cast on a shoulder

[strong rapids]

yeah i have reload on a good button, but in most fps games you just hold down fire and your character automatically reloads when you empty the clip, whereas in hades 1 you just keep firing blank shots until you stop attacking

[reef sail]

For rail I put reload on the shoulder

[slim pike]

I play the other liquid laser

[reef sail]

I think the idea was to not let “hehe literally a gun” be too face roll

[worldly mantle]

Happy 4 u

[strong rapids]

maybe so... it makes me sad though 🥀

[slim pike]

base damage of 10

[strong rapids]

but its okay we have hestia

[slim pike]

gettem'

[torn wind]

That’s a nice argument, father. But have you considered gun?

[slim pike]

a special button that only really exists with rocket bomb

[strong rapids]

meeting hestia in hades 2 makes it even funnier to imagine her shooting chronos in the head with a sniper rifle

[torn wind]

Hestia with a gun is peak

[slim pike]

After Demeter just straight up decks him in the face

[strong rapids]

LOL true

[torn wind]

Yeah Demeter punching stuff to death is hilarious

[strong rapids]

nem sword and eris gun make perfect sense though

[worldly mantle]

That was my aspect in h1

[strong rapids]

chaos would not use that chopped shield though

[slim pike]

Hera has her bow and Zeus has his cowering plate

[reef sail]

What I wanna know is what weapon did hades use when the whole fam merked chronos

[short raft]

Just image this: The Sniper rifle shots FIRE BALLS

[slim pike]

The spear

veratha

[reef sail]

Bc they explicitly tell us gigaros was NOT used against him that time

[torn wind]

Zeus having the baby boo-boo shield is so him

[nova oar]

ares would go crazy on the rail

[dreamy forum]

Woah woah woah woah, YOU'RE TELLING ME HYPNOS HAS A WHOLE ROOM NOW?

[torn wind]

Baby’s first H1 clear always used shield

[short raft]

i find it hillarious than Ares, the god of war, has no aspect

[slim pike]

Posideon had the sword

[torn wind]

(I am baby I needed shield back in 2023)

[strong rapids]

shield is so slow, fist gang

[slim pike]

bapbapbapbapbap

[reef sail]

so are we supposed to infer that veratha hades aspect and gigaros are two different spears

[worldly mantle]

I had an ex who's first clear was over an hour and 20 minutes because she waited for every enemy to stop attacking to let go of block, shield bash and re block

[torn wind]

I like first and blade more now yeah. I like making high crit builds with Nem Sword. I’m going back and playing H1 to get to credits and actually unlock companions

[slim pike]

they should have made the fists always have heavy knuckle and then given it homing missiles

[reef sail]

Sub121 gaming

[torn wind]

Peak gameplay

[bitter stirrup]

Funniest thing I always did with the shield back then was when you got the "survive for 45 seconds" rooms and I just sat in the corner holding block lmao

[red fox]

If it work

[strong rapids]

not a bad start, but what if it could hit enemies with some sort of sky fall? i think that would be crazy

[torn wind]

Is heavy knuckle actually that good I was never sure cause I’d be using stuff like Zeus attack

[worldly mantle]

For real for real

[reef sail]

I mean there’s like no incentive to fight anything in those rooms

So fair

[torn wind]

I only have 40 hours of H1 so like I genuinely don’t get what’s good yet

Other than from watching other people play

[slim pike]

It made the base damage output way better, but yeah, if you had an on hit effect on the fists, and you did, then it fought against it

[bitter stirrup]

If those rooms were in H2 they would probably pause timer instead of being removed if you had timer on

[torn wind]

I always played fists for on-hit so it would always screw up my build to take heavy knuckle later

[short raft]

Is bridal glow selling just for 30 gold???

[worldly mantle]

Lemme look at the knuckle hammers rq it's been years

[reef sail]

Just highroll the heroic sacrifice pivot

[torn wind]

You can get it later so it’s free money that’s why they made it so cheap

[reef sail]

The hammer situation in h1 was dire

[red fox]

Well there is a room technically timed and timer not pause so ...

[reef sail]

Exactly 1 good sword hammer, roughly 2 good fist hammers

[torn wind]

Bridal glow purge is genuinely just money unless you need it for proper upbringing infusion

[torn wind]

Which good sword hammer?

[reef sail]

Dedge

[torn wind]

Truly no clue what that means lol

[slim pike]

Flurry slash?

[red fox]

Double dash strike?

[torn wind]

Why not the one that gives it a small ranged hit?

[reef sail]

I sold upbringing once after using it to activate the thing that needs no commons, I felt very galaxy brain

[reef sail]

Yes that one

[torn wind]

Yeah it just means no future boons will be upgraded

[slim pike]

You can sell hera's legendary and keep the infusions, just loses 1 of each element

THEN YOU CAN GET THE LEGENDARY AGAIN

[torn wind]

Wait for real

[nova oar]

Yep

[slim pike]

I think so, unless they blocked that

[red fox]

Can sell divorce paper too

[worldly mantle]

Breaching cross, explosive upper, flying cutter, and long knuckle were the best hammers when I ran it

[slim pike]

all 8 infusions

[worldly mantle]

Are you thinking what I'm thinking

[torn wind]

All 8 non-Hera/hermes infusions

[slim pike]

I hated the fists for basically having no tactical difference between attack and special

[torn wind]

Perhaps :)

If only underworld was worth going for max boons on

[worldly mantle]

Rightt

[reef sail]

Explupper and cross were the only two I ever liked using but I was very dem fist pilled

[torn wind]

Underworld is just objectively worse for max boons

[worldly mantle]

I was on dem fists

[worldly mantle]

Yuh no Hermes shrine

[reef sail]

Explosive upper dem is just dopamine

[slim pike]

Also shoutout to hidden All Together and Extended Family synergy

[torn wind]

Yeah it’s amazing

[slim pike]

and also All Together and "huh why does my hex now have a godsent upgrade available?"

[torn wind]

Potential for an extra 20% at epic

[slim pike]

turns out having an infusion from a god is enough to allow their godsent hex to appear

[worldly mantle]

Any boon from the god is

[torn wind]

Yeah anything related to a god counts

Including keepsake

[worldly mantle]

Yup

[slim pike]

Yeah, but you don't think of that at first

[worldly mantle]

Idk makes sense to me

[slim pike]

You take All Together because lol stat boosts

[torn wind]

Hear me out

[slim pike]

and then go "oh, huh, yeah, of course"

[red fox]

Shiny

[torn wind]

And I’ve done it before

[worldly mantle]

Only partially

[reef sail]

How does godsent work? Is one god per night chosen (per each of the hexes offered) and you see it if you have the right god?

[torn wind]

The one from echo that gives you a boon from last night

[red fox]

I see shiny i click shiny

[torn wind]

I’ve done it to get godsent

[slim pike]

Each hex has a matching god

[reef sail]

I still need to get the ares godsend

Oh so they’re permanently tied to a specific hex

[slim pike]

if you have that hex and any boon from the matching god, then the godsent upgrade appears on the path of stars

[slim pike]

Aspect of Selene on the coat only

[reef sail]

I guess that makes sense

[worldly mantle]

The hex choices are rolled randomly, and if you have a boon or keepsake from the specific associated god, it's godsent

[reef sail]

Well no freaking wonder

[torn wind]

RIP phase shift for having the worst godsent in the game for anything other than stripping wards

[spare wind]

Man great chaos below trial is much harder than I once thought

[torn wind]

GCB lowkey harder than Night’s Champion

[reef sail]

Phase shift, the only hex you have to do literal magic to use on the boss

[torn wind]

If you use it at the wrong time congrats you just ruined your fast kill

Ask me how I know

[spare wind]

I have had 6 tries of it already once I got an extremely good setup but max damage vow and hecate rival 😭

[worldly mantle]

Get sheeped

[reef sail]

It makes boon givers voices deepen, which cracked me up

[torn wind]

Actually no it was accidentally hitting it at the end of Chronos P2 start and having to sit there the entire time while he was invulnerable

[worldly mantle]

Lol

[reef sail]

Time was not flowing freely forward

[red fox]

At least you don't get to frenzy 10

[torn wind]

You saw that clip I sent though of the sheep ball turning on a dime to catch me cause I made the mistake of throwing twilight curse

And apparently sheep ball’s tracking is not on game time

[worldly mantle]

Oh right it was twilight

[torn wind]

So it turns way faster if you slow down the game with a hex

[slim pike]

It rotates during timestop? lol

[torn wind]

Yeah the turning calculation is real time

[slim pike]

Do the chad thing and use night bloom

sadly the game doesn't handle your night bloom getting sheeped

and it just kills it

[worldly mantle]

Yeah the sheep ball speed slows and tracking doesn't so it just sharp turns it's really funny

[torn wind]

I dodged through it and instantly threw twilight thinking I was safe and it turned instantly before I even had time to react

I wanted to throw twilight to kill witches right when they spawned

So it’s only not safe to use instantly after dodging

When it’s going straight it’s fine

[slim pike]

Pop quiz, which hands does Melinoe use the dagger and sickle with?

[reef sail]

Both of them

[torn wind]

Right hand is sickle

[reef sail]

Alternatively,”hers”

[slim pike]

slap

[torn wind]

I think

[worldly mantle]

I was gonna say left but I haven't run blades in a minute

[slim pike]

Why don't you check the boxart? ||and be wrong||

[red fox]

Left and right hand

[worldly mantle]

Oh so Im right lets go

[torn wind]

I mean it was a 50:50 chance 🤷‍♂️

[slim pike]

Nah, you were right

in game sickle is right hand

[reef sail]

Box art is flipped

Classic box art shenanigans

[torn wind]

Well is it her right or our right

[slim pike]

Also her attack combo only uses the sickle on the final hit

[worldly mantle]

Ah. It's my laptop lock screen

[slim pike]

poor girl got trained to slash twice with her left hand and then stab 5 times with that same hand while her right just stays there

[reef sail]

Actually I don’t guess the art is flipped since her eyes are correct

[torn wind]

They just got them backwards I’m sure

[reef sail]

They just goofed the daggers or didn’t really care

[worldly mantle]

Or maybe she's ambidextrous

[torn wind]

I don’t think anybody cares that much it’s not a Twilight Princess on Wii situation

[slim pike]

She wields the staff left handed too, not sure if you ever noticed

[worldly mantle]

What were they in the trailer animation

[slim pike]

but all other weapons are right handed, except obviously the coat and torches

[torn wind]

Where they had to flip the entire game to make Link right handed

[reef sail]

Meanwhile I’m left handed and now the game is ruined for me

😔

[torn wind]

Just play GameCube or HD it’s objectively better tbh

[slim pike]

Mel's left hand is easy to identify, it's the dead one

[reef sail]

I actually bounced off TP so hard, it’s the only Zelda game I ever bought that I didn’t finish

[torn wind]

Tbh it’s the worst game in terms of actually getting to the game. The actual game doesn’t start until act 2 which is absurd

[reef sail]

Makin me do work to play a game that’s just wrong

[red fox]

She need her right hand to use material for casting staffy spell obviously

[worldly mantle]

Only Zelda I had was spirit tracks and I did not finish it

[torn wind]

The game doesn’t start until you’re able to freely change to and from wolf form

[reef sail]

This is lining up with my very fuzzy memories of it

[slim pike]

She palm strikes with her right hand on the second hit of her combo

[torn wind]

The mandatory wolf sections and early game is a slog until the game opens up and you get full freedom in act 2

Once you get the master sword is when the game starts

[nova oar]

act 2, like silksong?

[torn wind]

Twilight Princess would be an incredible game if so much of it wasn’t a miserable slog

Genuinely some of the best dungeons, combat and atmosphere in the series which is sad

[reef sail]

Having bees poured down my throat would feel so amazing if I didn’t hate having bees poured down my throat so much

Energy

[worldly mantle]

What do you mean, it's not out yet

[torn wind]

I’d love being kicked in the balls more if I didn’t have to feel getting kicked in the balls

[short raft]

Havign the set up for 3 legendaries, NONE show up 😢

[slim pike]

Should've equipped Excellence

[torn wind]

I hate when I do a casual run and get the exact god build I WISH I could get on an actual serious run

“Oh cool, sweeping ambush, fine line, exceptional talent, back burner, heroic success rate and banshee brand… on my casual run”

[short raft]

Honestly yeah may aswell

[worldly mantle]

Closest thing I've done to casual in a long time was max boons

Actually I did do a casual 50f surface last month

[torn wind]

You should remind yourself that you like the game by playing rivals 4 hordes 3 grit 3 frenzy 2

And just punch the crap out of stuff

[slim pike]

Max Boon, Attorney at law

[torn wind]

It is genuinely fun to play the game that I had to think about what I was doing and now I can just use it to relax and beat up stuff while I watch YouTube in the background

Surface is a very heavy punching bag

[worldly mantle]

I really mostly enjoy games when I have to really think about it

I'm not much of a casual beat em up kind of person

[torn wind]

Valid. Just kinda reminds you how good you actually are at the game when you can just casually do things like that

Or 50 fear

[slim pike]

Sometimes you just wanna punch

[buoyant matrix]

i really mostly enjoy games when i get to play them

[worldly mantle]

So true

[torn wind]

You mean you don’t like playing reroll simulator for 30 minutes straight to actually get a usable build in region 1?

Couldn’t be me cause I play Circus

[spare wind]

6th great chaos trial death

[buoyant matrix]

been busy with life recently 😔

[torn wind]

I play circus where the boons flow freely

Don’t like my god pool? Cool I just reset

[buoyant matrix]

"boons flow freely" mfs when they hit lightning rush and born gain

[torn wind]

Hey now. I like Charon so that’s actually not bad

Thunder rush actually kinda good when half your gameplay is dashing over and over again

As far as rush boons go

[slim pike]

Supay user confirmed

[worldly mantle]

I like heat rush on supay

[torn wind]

I do love me some thunder rush

[slim pike]

I'm more of a nexus rush guy on supay

drive-by killin'

[torn wind]

Thunder rush is literally just a permanently active storm ring

But yeah nexus is good if you got other stuff to hold it up during bosses

Nexus needs stuff to hold it up which is why I personally prefer Hera on special

[worldly mantle]

I usually go for hera special zeus attack and heat rush if I can

Works great with air quality

[torn wind]

Yeah that or just go all in on Zeus

Double strike on blitz and thunder rush is amazing

[worldly mantle]

And any origination cast

Ig could also run glamor gain

[short raft]

heat rush can critical strike xD

[worldly mantle]

Any direct damage can

[torn wind]

Honestly blitz works fine enough for orig on bosses with supay

[slim pike]

Slightly less rapid

[torn wind]

It’s the same rate

I thought they were both .35

[slim pike]

it's 0.35? I thought it was 0.5

[worldly mantle]

I think it's .35

[torn wind]

Yeah so on Supay it’s literally just a stronger storm ring that’s permanently active

It has the same damage buff as furies

While also stacking with furies

[worldly mantle]

Yeah it's the same rate just scales from 5 dmg lower

[torn wind]

Still comes out to more damage due to the aspect buff

[worldly mantle]

Indeed

[torn wind]

It’s amazing and shreds bosses

Also other reason I don’t like nexus rush is that taking bane makes it work less often

Since it only does damage on application

So it tanks your encounter damage unless you kill everything on the first hit or have enough damage from other sources

Which you probably do cause you have bane but still

[slim pike]

well, spreading hitch that fast is pretty killer

[torn wind]

I do still love nexus do not get my wrong

I’m just saying I also feel special does the same job

Nexus destroys region 1 and 2 though

[worldly mantle]

I don't it's never worth on coat so I don't use it for anything ever

[torn wind]

Valid lol coat hates anything that makes it not constantly dash attack

[worldly mantle]

Yup

[torn wind]

Thunder rush is good free damage

[worldly mantle]

Also never use it unless I'm on supay

[torn wind]

But heat rush definitely better if you can land it

[worldly mantle]

And heat rush has aoe for regular rooms

[torn wind]

Yup

Remember somebody saying “oh run heph rush on supay” like… no

It’s only good really late game

Early game it just simply does less damage than other rushes because the other rushes are always active

So they’re just objectively stronger

Nexus rush does nearly as much damage to EVERY enemy with no cooldown

And the other rushes are constantly active so they stack up way more damage over the duration that the cooldown would take

[worldly mantle]

Also heph blast is way better for supay attack than rush just due to the base damage difference

[spare wind]

24 health and rival scylla oh boy

[torn wind]

Breaker rush does everything heph rush does and better on Supay tbh

[worldly mantle]

Good luck

[worldly mantle]

My coat goat

[torn wind]

So is the knockback not annoying?

[worldly mantle]

JK my coat goat rush is actually just apollo

[spare wind]

Well

[torn wind]

Yeah coat is just stronger when you can get places faster

[slim pike]

Smithy Rush is the door to heph's legendary if you don't want blasts on your attack and special but eh, Rank 6 soupy isn't that great

[torn wind]

Yeah it’s barely even a buff

Blast is just objectively better suited for attack

[slim pike]

it isn't a buff at all if you take blinding rush, lol

[worldly mantle]

A big part of coat room routing is using knockback to group enemies together and move them towards more ideal places

[slim pike]

Dazes you +15% harder

[worldly mantle]

So it's a good tool

[elfin heron]

Demeter boons are OP with air quality

[torn wind]

If Supay buffed the speed bonus of blinding rush that would be kinda cool

[worldly mantle]

Also blinding rush is for speed yeah but also just back burner

[elfin heron]

what's the Supay rush boon damage modifier anyway?

[worldly mantle]

Coat loves back burner

[torn wind]

30% bonus damage

[elfin heron]

feels like it's more

[torn wind]

It’s effectively a permanent furies for your rush

[slim pike]

30% bonus, additive, rank 6 makes it a dizzying.... 45%

[elfin heron]

rank 6 is a Circe boon, right?

[slim pike]

No, Heph legendary

[red fox]

Heph rush number is so sad

[torn wind]

Premium service

[red fox]

200 dmg really

And cooldown is like forever

[slim pike]

There's a select few weapons that love that rank 6

[torn wind]

I don’t HATE taking it given the weapon if it doesn’t use dash that much

[worldly mantle]

This ^

[torn wind]

I like taking it for master conductor at least

[worldly mantle]

And also it's a good glow applicator

[slim pike]

Thanatos and Momus spring to mind

[red fox]

Nergal

[slim pike]

Nyx and Moros go to 105% bonus which is funny

Nyx nightspawns do more damage than the source hit, slightly

but like many of these, you can just do these effects much more easily with a hammer or some easier to get boon

[short raft]

So after ive used a god keep sake, it loses its funtion, yeah? no longer makes same boons appear?

[torn wind]

How it works is it forces a boon to turn into that god until you take a boon door from that god

[elfin heron]

Thanatos rank 6 could be fun, it's already fast af with nimble limbs and/or rapid hack WHILE ALSO keeping the dodge offset, you don't even need to use o atk
no matter what anyone says, it's the best axe for me

[torn wind]

If you go a different way and don’t take the boon it will force the next one to be from that god

[short raft]

lol my favorite Nyx build is Aphro OSpecial with Night Arcana, you just dash into people, OSpecial, and deal 500+ damage per critical strike misile.

[torn wind]

If you take a boon from that god you keep the rarify effect until you spend it including between regions

[short raft]

its extremely funny AND very fluid.

[torn wind]

So you can actually carry a god keepsake all the way from start to end and never use it if you manage to skip every boon door or reroll them

[slim pike]

But why is that a nyx build? You don't get nightspawns from omega missiles

[short raft]

No, but for the extreme fluidity of OmegaDash into Omega Special, trust me, once you feel it, its so good.

[elfin heron]

you can keep a deactivated keepsake equipped if it's not maxed yet, it'll keep getting EXP

[reef sail]

Am I tripping or does moros attack destroy projectiles?

[slim pike]

You're tripping

[reef sail]

Trippy

[short raft]

Flare

[elfin heron]

I think in Hades 1 most attacks destroyed most projectiles, this was removed in 2

[reef sail]

What’s going on here then

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1049898804234698772/1496810300291289108/19db9be911317-master_playlist.mov?ex=69eb3cb8&is=69e9eb38&hm=57b090a527eb730630aa346a8485c6ce70cc1d41617bdec00647da79bd677f3f&

[torn wind]

Yeah hades 2 is more focused around distances and area/ranged damage so being able to destroy projectiles would be way more broken

Hades 1 it was important to be able to swat projectiles out the air

Especially when every region has an orb-spamming witch

[slim pike]

yeah, enemies in H1 were a lot more projectile shooty

[reef sail]

Are they hitting the wall?

[slim pike]

yes

they're hitting the sacks near the gateway

[elfin heron]

I think those are the same witches as Hecate's minions, but they are nowhere as annoying in 2 lol

[slim pike]

Yes, that's a deliberate reference

[torn wind]

Well cause they show up a single time and only get Hades 1 Tartarus attack

They don’t get Elysium projectiles or anything

That would be insane

[slim pike]

Spreaders appear in Asphodel

[elfin heron]

should've been a thing on Hec rivals

[torn wind]

Eh in rivals Hec they just got the standard armored enemy 3-shot

[slim pike]

Easy to forget that, since they don't appear during unrivalled cerberus

since he'll only summon some flavour of skeleton bomber

[torn wind]

And tart enemies if you’re on menace which is funny cause it doesn’t fit the theme but yeah lol

[slim pike]

wait they do?

[torn wind]

It is funny that Eris will still summon automatons if you’re not on menace

[slim pike]

I've not had menace on for ages

[torn wind]

Yeah you can get brutes(?) and the rat guys

Since it just counts as normal enemy spawns

But Eris will do automatons even without menace

[frosty veldt]

I just think it’s funny they brought back king vermin. What a boss to choose to bring back

[torn wind]

He’s way less of a PITA in this game tbh

[slim pike]

Oh wait, during cerb fight

[reef sail]

Is menace considered fairly free?

[slim pike]

I thought you meant menace gave you bloodless enemies in tartarus

[elfin heron]

he had like 5x more HP in 1

[frosty veldt]

True

[reef sail]

He was less dangerous in 1 I’ll say that much

[short raft]

Now that im on it, whats the strategy for chariptus as featured artist? cuz the projectile spam is a bit much

[reef sail]

I did enjoy the first few fights when his health bar name was literally “Oh No”

[frosty veldt]

I honestly just have a hard time seeing him most of the time, in 2 lol

There’s so many bombs and stuff going off

[elfin heron]

no strategy, even Boated almost wipes to featured Charybdis, just dodge better nerd lol

[frosty veldt]

Wipe out the tentacles if they’re around you when you’re wailing on the other 3

[short raft]

Nvm, i just Oneshotted All the syrens in a single blow with ares LMAO
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/616845281140408355/1496812902647074826/image.png?ex=69eb3f25&is=69e9eda5&hm=17b446c95fbddaffb9b06802256a30a9abe29a48e4d76f134d12165a3ea2fc14&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1201&height=761

[reef sail]

By golly moros puts out a little bit of damage

Also it’s making this barrier fear option pretty easy

[torn wind]

Menace can make early game a pain especially in Erebus

Having enemies that take 5x as many hits to kill drags the game on a lot

[spare wind]

great chaos below trial is no joke man

7 tries none cleared 😭

[elfin heron]

just reset the seed until it gives you something easy

[worldly mantle]

Or keep playing random and get better as a player

[elfin heron]

some seeds can be as hard as 40+ fear, I don't really recommend it
like max scars or even void

[slim pike]

Random tech, chaos can't offer maimed or flayed curses if you're using supay

[frosty veldt]

Let’s see how a rivals 4 run on my portal goes. Not feeling hopeful

[spare wind]

Might just do that I kinda just want the achivement that's it
But it does seem a bit cheating too lol

[elfin heron]

surface or underworld

though both are hard

[frosty veldt]

Surface

[spare wind]

Tbh hardest for me underground is rival hecate and rival chronos

[worldly mantle]

Imo do what will make you feel best when you beat it

[elfin heron]

oh have fun with that one, it's a big troll

[spare wind]

Ofcourse scylla gets dangerous at one point but hecate is sad

[torn wind]

We love input delay

[frosty veldt]

Yeah… we shall see how bad it gets

[spare wind]

I kinda just want to rng mel staffs I think I could clear a run with it

Mel staffs are my favourite especially circe
And they are very safe to use too

[frosty veldt]

I picked my favorite weapon so I can just hold attack and dodge lol

[elfin heron]

I think my Great Chas Below was with Artemis, it was pretty chill, just parry then nuke

[worldly mantle]

Valid

[spare wind]

Well I did end up getting mel staff too but then the fear was not on any of the rivals everything was extreme like max fangs and the max damage vow
So regardless of getting mel staff it was excruciating

By far this is my hardest time with the game except when I first started playing

[frosty veldt]

Sea star right away is a good sign

[spare wind]

Am just missing 3 achivements that's it

Silk and spitefulness (which is also gonna be done very soon)
Bearing dark gifts (just grindy)
And great chaos below

[frosty veldt]

Nice, I did great chaos below early. First run was a wash but second was unbelievably easy. Ended with 3 revives and full health

[short raft]

lol Ares new legendary makes OA deal 11k damage, cool

[frosty veldt]

Does black night banishment ever remove rivals and you still get credit for it?

[bitter stirrup]

It cannot hit Rivals

[frosty veldt]

Ah ok

[strong rapids]

is there anything else it cant hit?

[frosty veldt]

Double my dodge chance, it is

[slim pike]

Sadly no, much as it would be lovely if it couldn't hit Void

You get all of your grasp back, but no way to select new arcana

[strong rapids]

what a scammer circe is

[reef sail]

Moros is nutty

Who let me do this

[short raft]

Dream Circe:
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/717696369351065620/1496637658607390770/image.png?ex=69ea9bef&is=69e94a6f&hm=1fffa7ebf86d156ca9c1da52e1ec3e74ed316ff1975240912ef08c2270dd33b6&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=796&height=570

[reef sail]

I got cut above too late for it to pop off with coffin nail, how sad

[short raft]

Another day at falling blade builds

[short raft]

wait, hows possesed array with cut above?

[reef sail]

Couldn’t tell you

[short raft]

doesnt it like, trigger 33 times in a row

Like infinite blades ect

🤔

[strong rapids]

i thought blades had a cooldown

i just assumed they did, only one at a time similar to doom

[short raft]

Does Chronos gigantic cut on phase 2 has a dead hitbox if you hug him? aka just stand next to him to dodge

[frosty veldt]

Getting both witches, Icarus, and Athena on my first rivals 4 is insane. It’s been a breeze so far, let’s see how typhon is

[slim pike]

There's a cap of 3 Cut Above blades existing at any given time

and a cap of 1 existing for a given victim

if your takeaway from this is "Wow, Coffin Nail sounds like it would really help with that" then yes, you're correct

(It potentially triples the number of blades you can get going, to say nothing of the damage bonus and greater accuracy of the blades)

[limpid oar]

Wow, Coffin Nail sounds like it would really help with that

[slim pike]

yes, you're correct

[frosty veldt]

That was definitely a troll fight lol but still fun. 16 fear and rivals 4 surface done

[slim pike]

(And while we're here, duplicated blades from Cutting Edge don't count towards any of these caps)

[frosty veldt]

First portal run went smooth, surprised me.

[willow fog]

Question, does the chronos final area have a shop before the actual boss

[nova oar]

Yes

[willow fog]

Thanks, I legit went through quite a lot and sadly lost 1k gold

Whats the best hades boon? Old grudge?

[tranquil wren]

deep dissent

[willow fog]

Damn, are the ads that bad

[tranquil wren]

yeah
with typhon they also get rid of the tails that come out when he does a chin slam

[bitter stirrup]

Deep Dissent if you're playing the upgraded version, otherwise it depends on your needs but probably Life Tax

[tranquil wren]

and fewer eggs

[dusky mountain]

gigaros dash imo

[willow fog]

Bruh echo really screwed me with that hp boon

I thought per room was per location

[real scarab]

Gigaros best for start, Deep Dissent best in Tart

[nova oar]

depends on fear and aspect

[willow fog]

Gigarous dash?

[nova oar]

Sometimes it's just life tax

[nova oar]

Postgame content

[short raft]

• gigaros dash if you are a melee
  -Life Tax if ur low or frail
  -Deep dissent otherwise is 100%

[dusky mountain]

whatever it is, id say the soul urns one is probably worst

[willow fog]

Whats soul urns

[real scarab]

Unseen Ire & Life Tax are also good

[willow fog]

Echos boons are scary

Either theyre hella niche or horrendously gonna screw me

[dusky mountain]

nah echo is goated man

[willow fog]

That hp one was awful

Losing 5% per room, they said per location and I read it as region

[short raft]

they are ok with poessesed array

[dusky mountain]

its still just a lot of free hp till it runs out. No downside

its not like it reduces your actual hp

[lean bronze]

soul urns are fine since it does extra dmg
Howling soul is actually detrimental to your run tho
It actively makes things harder by taking away your cast

[dusky mountain]

i dont mind howling soul if i play ranged tbh

just gotta accept it goes to narnia once every few casts

[willow fog]

Doesnt it remove 5% of your total each time?

Its grinding me down to a nub

[dusky mountain]

no, of the 50% bonus she gave you

[willow fog]

Ohhhh, got it

[short raft]

Ok but hows new Winner cirle interacting with it?

[slim pike]

?

How does that change anythingM

[short raft]

new WC makes cast hit faster? doesnt that means blade fall faster too or something?