h2-discussion

[nova oar]

You're probably just worst at building/playing the aspects

[torn wind]

So you could get forced into white antler

[spare wind]

Doesn't sound that bad as long as it's not max rivals

[tired iris]

I am enjoying this considerably less than Hades 1, despite impressive systemic improvements, just because the bosses are so unfun for me

[spare wind]

It's probably just luck then ig? You could do it over and over again

I thought it'll be just an insanely hard trial with like 6 eyes or something

[torn wind]

It’s basically just 30 minutes of rolling until you get something half competent unless you’re confident in playing random stuff

[nova oar]

Yeah idk how to help with that one

[spare wind]

I have been running so many chaos trials lately and random keepsakes to max them kinda in the flow rn

I mean if i roll aspect of the circe
That's enough for me (probably)

[torn wind]

But yeah only difference from normal chaos above/below is the 20 fear

[spare wind]

Is there some dialogue to unlock it or i continue on more chaos trials

[torn wind]

We love rolling Pain 3 wards 2 scars 3 hordes 3 Frenzy 2

[spare wind]

Thats harsh

Oh wait it can also be max void

[torn wind]

It can be yeah

[tired iris]

I guess I could look up OP builds, that'll probably make it better. I almost beat unrivaled Promotheus the first time, but it was a chaotic mess. It felt so different from e.g. the hard but tight <Redacted> fights in H1

[torn wind]

I really can’t recall tbh

Probably some convo with chaos

[hushed harness]

20 random fear is kinda madness for many people, mostly because some of the conditions can be insanely bad depending on playstyle and skill.

[torn wind]

Honestly most “OP builds” are more a generalized concept that can kinda work if you switch some pieces around

Though some are absolutely rigid

Like fine like ocean swell sudden burst on Moros

[spare wind]

Google says i need to have all the aspects

I have all the arcana keepsakes familiars maxed etc but am missing on aspect rn

[torn wind]

Well that would be required to make it truly random then yeah

[dusk dove]

the only difficult thing you are dealing with is with bosses, yes?
most of them have telepgraphed attacks, if you have problems with prometheus and see an attack that causes the floor to be on fire, you can bait his attack into a corner so it doesn't occupy as much
guessing from the last message, the unrivaled vow is just there if you want to spice up a run and increase a difficulty

[spare wind]

Damn considering it requires everything
That's pretty deep Endgame

[torn wind]

Oh yeah people who get carried by healing and such will hate rolling even pain 2

[hushed harness]

I agree but for entirely different reasons. I mostly didnt vibe with the writing on the 2nd game, compared to 1. Still finished it but it was just not as good, as simple as that.

[spare wind]

Well am just missing aspect of the hel (probably) need more admant

[torn wind]

That’s why it’s the rarest achievement in the game

[spare wind]

Well lucky for me I have almost everything

[tired iris]

Yeah, just the bosses. I think the fundamental thing is that I just cannot track and dodge a ton of things at once, e.g. Scylla, especially if I don't even know how some of them fight, like Super Prometheus' bro

[spare wind]

Just finsihed maxing familiars today aswell for the different forms and max achivements

[nova oar]

If it was one of your first times then yeah you're gonna struggle

[spare wind]

Prometheus is hard for me too
But I have made a sequence on how to fight scylla so it's not that hard really am talking about rivals btw

[torn wind]

Rivals Scylla and Rivals Prometheus are probably the hardest bosses if you struggle with randomness

[spare wind]

Prometheus is crazy

You just can't let yourself be close to him

[torn wind]

Eh just dodge through him tbh

[tired iris]

Hmm, interesting. I thought the actual story of H2 was more compelling, but Mel to be disappointing as a B rate protagonist after the A+++ Zagreus

[hushed harness]

I really wanted to try the great trials, just for fancies, but apparently rng priority didnt agree on unlocking those last 2 aspects so alas. So i had to drop it. Didnt have problem with first 3 rival bosses in each route, just need a powerful build.

[spare wind]

I haven't even played rivals Prometheus so it should be interesting

[tired iris]

I give H2's story massive points for surface act 4, that was epic beyond anything else in the entire series so far

[spare wind]

Oh wait won't the great chaos trials want me to have max rivals aswell??

[torn wind]

So did you ever play Hades 1 cause ||it may remind you of a certain boss of that game||

[dusk dove]

without spoiling anything, just letting you know, if you have hard time keeping track of everything you will have a very hard time with unrivaled surface final boss

[tired iris]

Super Mode gladiator fight?

[spare wind]

I played like 30 hours but didn't get to any of the rivals because at that time 1.0 H2 released got distracted

[torn wind]

Yeah I’d say easily that the order hard shifts from Chronos being the hardest rivals fight to Scylla and Prometheus

If you’re bad at randomness

And then chronos even falls below rivals Typhon

Potentially

[tired iris]

Ugh

[spare wind]

If I had to say I have fought rivals chronos I think it'll be the same as one in the ending would be that hardest for me and Prometheus
Scylla rival is easy to me tbh

[torn wind]

Rivals Typhon just is unforgiving but I’d still say mechanically easier than rivals chronos

[hushed harness]

It was ok. I mostly got annoyed at useless/bad writing on a decent amount of side characters, odysseus is a good example imo. Lots of useless dialogue. The first game never suffered from such an issue. And i agree on Mel vs Zagreus.

[torn wind]

Don’t worry they made it harder

[spare wind]

Rivals cyclopes is kinda annoying

[spare wind]

Really😭

[dusk dove]

how? is it because of the new gamemode? im still trying to figure out how to access it

[torn wind]

Oh also dream dive Chronos is buffed

More health, damage, and healing across the board

Same for Scylla

[dusk dove]

quick question: what to do next if ||you successfully woken up hypnos?|| im trying to access new content

[torn wind]

No I mean they ||used the final fight again but made his attack more complicated||

Honestly idk the requirements since I’d already 100%’d the game

All underworld bosses in dream dives got buffed and all surface bosses got nerfed

[nova oar]

Makes sense

[torn wind]

Even though 3 underworld bosses are contenders for hardest bosses in the game relative to their point in the run

[nova oar]

You're still salty about this aren't you

[torn wind]

Yes because I already suck at underworld bosses lol

But just enlightening people as to why they may… struggle a bit

[tired iris]

JFC, that's definitely the wrong direction IMO. I get that the people here who live and breathe Hades 2 want moar hardness, but... it seems really not tuned for, like, most of the people who play the game

[torn wind]

No we don’t actually

We know what bosses are harder and which are weaker

And underworld did NOT need to be buffed

[tired iris]

Okay, I feel a little less crazy then, thanks for sharing

[torn wind]

Out of all bosses in the game debatably 3 underworld rivals bosses are in the top 4 or 5 hardest bosses

[red fox]

Well there is god mode for people isn't that good

[nova oar]

It's perfectly fine for low fear lol

[torn wind]

Non-rivals underworld is SUPER easy bosses

[nova oar]

Only gets annoying after like 50f

[tired iris]

Agreed, but the game doesn't end at low fear

Oh, lol, if you consider "low fear" to be less than 50 I guess I disagree

[torn wind]

Dream dive chronos and Scylla got hands and Hecate goes turbo extremo mode because they speed scaled Erebus with regions

[nova oar]

Low is anything less than 40

[torn wind]

I call low fear like <24

[real scarab]

Yea I think Chronos > Promakles > Typhon > Sirens > Hecate, top 5

[torn wind]

Mid is like 25-45 and then you can respectably call 46+ “high fear” and not be called silly

But in the right groups high fear is nothing below 55

[torn wind]

I’d swap prom and sirens tbh because you’re weaker on underworld than surface usually

[real scarab]

Poly is the easiest. Cerb & Eris are easy but can be problematic at times

[torn wind]

R-Prom is definitely really hard but wouldn’t put him on second place in terms of high fear when you start having forfeit and stuff

Usually you’re pretty weak facing Scylla with forfeit and debt

[real scarab]

I really suck at Promakles, Sirens I think are easier since there are some safe spots in the edges to hide

I just deal some damage then hide and repeat lol

[prisma monolith]

Holy crap is medusas head

[torn wind]

I do also suck at Promacles but I also don’t throw entire runs to them on a regular

[tired iris]

On second thought, I don't actually care what people are calling high, mid, and low fear since those are arbitrary distinctions that don't impact the game

[spare wind]

I could clear 46 below but definately not above atleast not now

[torn wind]

Yep 100%

[spare wind]

46 is still only 3 rivals so

[torn wind]

It’s entirely perspective

[real scarab]

Best weapon in DC

[spare wind]

I wonder just how skilled you have to be to clear a max fear run

[sacred wyvern]

Didn't max heat take ages?

[torn wind]

My “slow” on any fear is a 6:30 underworld but like not even 0.005% of players would ever even try to do that

[torn wind]

Max heat is genuinely just unfair

[spare wind]

Slow 6:30

[torn wind]

It’s not even skill. It’s just absurd levels of gambling

[sacred wyvern]

I did 32 heat once to get the statue and that was honestly enough for me.

[tired iris]

I'll see if I can manage to unlock anything, but honestly even at the very end I found H1 to be a lot more fun with fewer pact nerfs enables. Same thing with Rogue Legacy 2, getting to pick which way my character sucked didn't make them feel less sucky (though in RL2 they felt like less of a big deal unless you turned them all up to max for lulz)

[sacred wyvern]

Better players than I can deal with that nonsense. I am set to jet.

[tired iris]

Same

[spare wind]

Tbh I might not ever sweat that hard into the game but after 100% achivements I aim to max everything in the game though

[torn wind]

Max heat said “you get one boon option, you never get to make a build, and then every region I’m gonna take something from that build you already didn’t get”

Max fear has a majority of weapons cleared it

Like only 8 aspects have not cleared max fear

[prisma monolith]

An iq too high?

[torn wind]

Meanwhile max heat has 2 clears ever

[prisma monolith]

Cant post gifs so

[real scarab]

Only low iq people think otherwise

[spare wind]

Damn 2 max heat clear ever?
Thats crazy ig it involves a good amount of RNG too

[nova oar]

3

[torn wind]

If you read what I said “a good amount” is not even close to accurate

[nova oar]

2 aspects

[torn wind]

Oh okay so 3 clears ever wow

But yeah max heat is genuinely unfair and horribly designed tbh

[nova oar]

I think it's only 3 or 4 aspects now needed for 67

[prisma monolith]

Better than h1

[torn wind]

Max fear is 80% skill and 20% luck. Max heat is the reverse but the skill is even higher

[torn wind]

I said heat

[nova oar]

H2 is harder to learn, but overall it's just an easier game

[prisma monolith]

Oh max heat is h1 youre right

[torn wind]

Max heat had underworld customs and approval process. Approval process made you only get one option per boon. And underworld customs would take a boon after every region

[sacred wyvern]

The moral of the story here is clearly that Melinoë is stronger than Zagreus.

[torn wind]

So you would just randomly lose one of your only boons that you’re lucky if they were even usable

[torn wind]

Who let bro in the kitchen

[prisma monolith]

I mean, zag still beat max heat, even tho it was unfair and badly designed, that speaks volume

[sacred wyvern]

Do we know that's canon?

[torn wind]

Pact of Punishment is exactly what it’s called

[sacred wyvern]

Also, just to be clear: I'm joking around here.

[prisma monolith]

Im just following up on your joke, with a fact

[torn wind]

I mean it’s entirely been a talked-to-death debate. Zag is trained by the greatest fighter of all time. And Mel is a witch with incredible power she controls entirely herself, unlike Zag

You can absolutely “Batman with prep-time it” and keep moving goal posts but and the end it’s not like there’s any definitive answer

[sacred wyvern]

If we're talking about actual powerscaling then I'm entirely unqualified to talk about it. My only contribution is the unrelated opinion that Hades III should be a fighting game.

[nova oar]

Based opinion I agree

[sacred wyvern]

It should be a fighting game where Demeter is the equivalent to Balrog from Street Fighter, specifically.

[torn wind]

All I have to say is Zag gets his powers from a mirror granted to him by his fake mother. Mel’s powers are her own

[prisma monolith]

I hate fighting games so I disagree

[nova oar]

My main game is a fighter, I would die for a hades one

[sacred wyvern]

The number of playable characters even if we left out Melinoë and Zagreus is just crazy to think about.

Would Asterius and Theseus be two separate fighters or would they only fight together? Would this be a tag team fighter, absolutely hecking amazing as that would be?

[prisma monolith]

Well im tabbing out. This conversation is foreign to me

[nova oar]

I reckon you could kinda have a 2 in 1 character

[twin rivet]

Damn I just completed the epilogue and Icarus just spawns in the crossroads? Not even a reaction from Mel lol

I thought I needed special dialogue for that to happen

[prisma monolith]

Icarus can just be in the crossroads chilling, Hes welcome

[radiant shuttle]

yes

but nothing

He gave a warning about a new enchantment, but it doesn't appear in the cauldron.

[errant reef]

||I just woke up hypnos and before doing anything else, i did 3-4 quick runs where i let myself die immediately and the new stuff showed up in the training grounds after that. Idk the exact conditions tho||

[fringe gust]

Apollo just called Charon a coin collecter and now I'm picturing him melting down every chronosn gold coin except for one that he keeps for his coin collection after pointing out to everyone how helpful he's been, just let him have the one for completionist sake.

[dusk dove]

Thank you

[lean bronze]

18 tickets left to all deco
2 dream dive run clears needed for prophecy
this is perfect

[wet ingot]

Is there HDR support on PS5?

[shy ivy]

A game like this doesn't need it.

But no it doesn't

[wet ingot]

Curious 👀why you say it doesn’t need it

First game didn’t have it and it looked amazing so I’m not disagreeing. I just bought H2

[halcyon rain]

if you thought the first game looked amazing (and it was) oooh booy

buckle up to be surprised

i hope you enjoy the experience

[wet ingot]

Oh snap I’m excited 😜

[lean bronze]

fields storm ring start on circe
holy pull

i took pom pom pom to gamble for lv8 storm ring but got lv8 frigid rush LMAO

fields thessaly ephyra
ive been blessed

[blissful fog]

W

[lean bronze]

cmon gimme summit end
circe storm ring goes so hard on summit

[minor eagle]

Fr

[blissful fog]

yoo i finally unlocked ares boons

[fringe gust]

I just got the Xinth coat. I never got to use it in my EA playthough, or if I did I didn't use it much. Punches, a missle attacl, and a block? I love it

[elfin heron]

don't use the block ever, everything else is solid

[blissful fog]

NO I DIED AT TYPHON AGAIN

[elfin heron]

you can dash strike into punch punch punch
spam rockets from a safe distance
or charge the special to shoot more rockets
you can also mash attack and special at the same time to both punch and shoot

[blissful fog]

I ALMOST KILLED HIM BRO 😭😭

he started spamming the tongue

[fringe gust]

Fortunately I am not one for blocking in video games in general.

...Which may explain why I play on God Mode

[elfin heron]

the coat's block is very slow and you can't hold it, so there's almost no reason to use it

[buoyant matrix]

the block is actually terrible 🥶

the rest of the weapon is cool though

[blissful fog]

now i know ares boons are insane

so ima just keep using that keepsake

[elfin heron]

IMO that's the easiest to dodge attack, just dash it, do it a bit earlier than what your gut tells you

[blissful fog]

ye i know but it became pretty overwhelming when he started combining it with a ton of other attacks as well

[elfin heron]

the tongue laser goes both ways in the last phase

[blissful fog]

oh shoot that means i got to the last phase

[elfin heron]

otherwise Typhon is a stationary boss, so you can just unload on him and the fight will end in like 30 sec
make use of furies and origination cards here

[bitter stirrup]

Toughest thing to dodge for me is the triple eye lol

450 hours and never figured out how to consistently dodge it

[elfin heron]

for me it's the chin slam, so I don't stay near him too long

[blissful fog]

yk its actually crazy how far i've come

[elfin heron]

get in, put down a cast, hit him a bunch, get out, do some ranged stuff, etc

[blissful fog]

i only got like 35 hours on the game so far

[spare wind]

Thinking of drawing a boss from the game guys
Any suggestions?

[elfin heron]

Prometheus and Eris are the popular ones I'd say

[blissful fog]

tbh, i would love to see cerberus

the angry form ofc

[spare wind]

I was thinking about cerberus too lol

[spare wind]

Yeah ye

[blissful fog]

great minds think alike

[spare wind]

I'll consider Prometheus after that's was also what I had on mind

Well doesn't look like I can share fanart on the discord doesn't have a channel I'll think abt it after i draw

[broken creek]

basically you bait it to one side of the arena then when it shoots dash to the other

most cases that means go to the bottom and dash towards typhon but some cases its left to right

[bitter stirrup]

Yeah recently when grinding stuff for the speedcord bingo I've been having semi-success with a weird zig zag dash from bottom to top

Rivals practice on the other hand... let's not talk about it lol

[blissful fog]

dang aspect of the morrigan is pretty strong

i think its a bit slower tho

o dang i died at eris

[spare wind]

Is cerberus boss legs inside the ground am just about noticing it

[fringe gust]

You know, I got a question for you all:

How do you decide between gods for disputes? Do you go for fav god boons? Fav god? Feels, or who you laready rejected once, or something else

[broken creek]

whichever gives the harder gimmick i choose first

so like if its demeter and hestia i take demeter

[blissful fog]

i just go for the one i like more first

[broken creek]

unless im hard fishing for a boon and need it asap

[elfin heron]

always pick the easier one first

[spare wind]

Wanted to share something regarding a fanart I don't find a channel for it is #h2-victory-boasting fine?

[broken creek]

uhh theres #fan-works

[blissful fog]

theres #fan-works

[spare wind]

Oh there is I couldn't find thanks

[final fog]

Never fight zeus.

i select for the easiest fights.

[lean bronze]

aphro and pos are the easiest

[elfin heron]

Hera is pretty hard to fight what with all the fissures

[broken creek]

Demeter is the only one I 100% avoid

Everything else is easy enough it doesnt matter much

[tropic ravine]

Came back to the game after a while what did I miss

[tropic ravine]

The one that’s harder I pick so I take less damage

Like hestia or Hera I would pick Hera

[halcyon rain]

i mostly choose depending on which god i feel would make more difference in my build first, or sometimes i choose the other god that i don't want much just to fill a core slot and increase my chances of getting the boon i actually want from the other god

Like if there's hestia/zeus and i want double strike and i have like 2 core slots open i pick hestia first to fill one of those core slots and increase my chances of getting double strike 😛

[blissful fog]

bro eris is ragebaiting me sooo bad

[mint tiger]

Big question because I CANT FIND IT ANYWHERE, including the wiki
For Blackened Fleece, dose the effect happen again if i have taken ANOTHER 250
IE: if i have taken 750 dmg this night, dose my omega moves do +120%(tier 3) dmg?

[elfin heron]

no

[subtle shoal]

did anyone else not get the hotfix on switch? what's the current version number? i have 1.137380 which i could have sworn was the same as the patch on the 14th

[elfin heron]

the hotfix is PC only for now

consoles need certification

[twin scaffold]

eris is literally the godess of ragebait

[blissful fog]

fr

[elfin heron]

just hug her ass and you'll be fine

basically always get behind her when she's shooting, then the fight is very easy

[vast marsh]

is aspect of thanatos good

[blissful fog]

true

[elfin heron]

easiest to play axe, I love it

[twin scaffold]

yeah thanatos axe is just big crit energy

[merry matrix]

hi I wanted to know if the voice actresses for ||the fates|| were in the credits or smth? I cant seem to find them

[nova oar]

Worst axe aspect but still a strong aspect

[twin scaffold]

actually come to think of it, I think ragebait might also come under momos' domain

[merry matrix]

aspect of thanatos is fun

sad they made the spin not build up the crit

anymore

[twin scaffold]

momos was really popular in classical greece as a god of satire and speaking truth to power, so I guess outlets like the onion are technically momos' domain right

is momos the god of SNL

[deft pond]

You. I've seen you. Let me see your face...

You are the one from my dreams. Then the stars were right, this is the day. GODS GIVE ME STRENGTH! 💪

[worldly elm]

Where does moros keep going

I'm expecting him for the flames aspect but hes just not there bruh

😭

Everytime I need one specific NPC they ditch me

He's just gone tf

[vast marsh]

is worry fee good

[twin scaffold]

he goes off to think about odysseus

[worldly elm]

He better get his ass to the crossroads

I need the aspect

IM GONNA ACTUALLY CRY SKELLY IS GONE TOO

[twin scaffold]

genuinely I wondered during EA if moros was gonna pass on melinoe and end up with odysseus

[worldly elm]

WHY IS ACTUALLY EVERYONE DITCHING ME

😭💀

[prisma monolith]

to the bathroom

[worldly elm]

Then where did skelly go

He doesn't need the bathroom 💔

[prisma monolith]

hes in the bathroom with moros

[worldly elm]

🥶

[prisma monolith]

moros needs him in the bathroom

[worldly elm]

Where am I gonna get my damage numbers now from

Do I beat up nemesis?

[prisma monolith]

eris

[plain vector]

it should be illegal for me to have to play circe without success rate

[prisma monolith]

if you dont play circe then you dont have to deal with no having success rate

[worldly elm]

What'd she do(outside of being annoying)

[plain vector]

no deal

[prisma monolith]

idk man, youre the one who needs dmg numbers

i just gave you a target

[worldly elm]

Nemesis deserves it more

[prisma monolith]

nuh uh

[spare wind]

Trust me this is an important question
Are cerberus boss legs actually in the ground?

[broken creek]

Yeah

[granite cosmos]

In all honesty i kinda prefer the mortal world over the underworld

It gives a god of war vibe but more whimsical and the bosses are way cooler

[clear sand]

Wdym eris appears out of nowhere on a new save, gives me a blessing that increases the damage of my enemies by 20% and grows every encounter, and then just leaves???

[proud swift]

Yeah she does that!

[clear sand]

Son 😭

[fringe gust]

Eris is kinda mean like that. No idea why.

Still, people have done it despite that

There's even dialogue for it I think. Or maybe not.

I dunno, never done it myself. God mode user and proud of it

[spare wind]

This is the reason I asked for this #fan-works

[vast marsh]

is melinoe staff acc good

[plain vector]

yeh

[crude dragon]

It's a staff, so yes

[vast marsh]

why did they made artemis a situational god? her boons were so fun she was my fav olympian god

[vast marsh]

lol

[crude dragon]

Because crit is busted

[plain vector]

ares became artemis

[spare wind]

Fr crit still with raki and 2xing it with crice's blessing
Is crazy

8% global critical

[vast marsh]

true but they could've maybe the damage multiplier that crit gave you

[vast marsh]

what do you mean?

[crude dragon]

You'll see later

[vast marsh]

hmmm

[plain vector]

his wound effect can get ~10% (depending on rarity) to do double damage with a secondary boon from ares
this can also get increased with success rate fom hermes to be inbetween 40 - 60

[vast marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/hades-hades-2-artemis-hades-artemis-hades-2-artemis-gif-9487264779685197865

[vast marsh]

so its just a crit thats lowk cool

[plain vector]

yeh

[vast marsh]

but i think artemis fit the crit role better

[plain vector]

i mean ares crit when online is better than artemis was but aesthetically yeah

[crude dragon]

I mean, she does

Plus there's her Keepsake

[vast marsh]

havent gotten it yet

[wind trail]

Will H2 get cross-save between Switch and PS5?

[plain vector]

i wouldnt count on it but maybe

[vast marsh]

why is staff considered so good?

[tranquil wren]

aspect of mel staff has great range and the specials are very strong

[broken creek]

its super safe and gets high damage with like zero effort

[plain vector]

does everything safe

works like sword and bow all in one

[tranquil wren]

aspect of circe double casts are also very strong

[broken creek]

80 damage special from mel staff ramps up super quick with any mild good boon luck, circe staff makes any cast a nuke, momus is just kinda there though icl

[tranquil wren]

rip momus, we need a shorter cooldown

[obsidian relic]

staff?

[tranquil wren]

lmao

yes, the staff

[vast marsh]

i like how some mel aspects are actually good in h2

what's the best attack and special for mel staff?

[obsidian relic]

were there mel aspects in hades 1 even

[tranquil wren]

%dmg on special like apollo, hera, etc

[vast marsh]

you know what i mean silly.

[cunning laurel]

zeus hera

[obsidian relic]

i havent played hades 1

new to hades 2 as well

[tranquil wren]

they're referring to how aspects of zag were bad in h1

[vast marsh]

there are zagreus aspects in h1 which are the aspects you first get when unlocking a weapon but they're terrible and people never used them

[obsidian relic]

i go with scroch attack, blitz special the double attack for 5 prime hammer along with double special hammer

[vast marsh]

except zag fists but mostly for troll

[obsidian relic]

feels like a machine gun

[obsidian relic]

oh

[vast marsh]

i get the scorch strike and double strike hammer but i dont get the blitz special

[plain vector]

the innate special buff makes it easier to proc jolted

[obsidian relic]

switch to zeus keepsake in the second region

[bitter stirrup]

You always want Zeus on attack though

[tranquil wren]

go for %dmg on special like hera

[vast marsh]

that's what i thought too

[obsidian relic]

how are you going to proc origination

[vast marsh]

i have no idea what that means im not gonna lie

[tranquil wren]

hera has hitch on special

[cunning laurel]

dash or cast

[spare wind]

In the unseen sentiel prophecy
Does it want me to use all the aspects once?

[bitter stirrup]

With your cast, your dash, your Glamour Gain, or Hera/Demeter/Ares that even give a curse on their %

[obsidian relic]

right

[plain vector]

jolted goes when damage done
higher more damage done = easier jolted proc
but i dont think that setup is optimal since it really relies on the double shot to proc it

[tranquil wren]

win with each once yeah

[vast marsh]

for special i'd go for hera or apollo

[vast marsh]

what's proc

[tranquil wren]

and yeah if you've gone for apollo, blinding rush or solar ring are incredible

[cunning laurel]

trigger

[plain vector]

activate

[vast marsh]

english is not my first language

[cunning laurel]

its blitz now btw not jolted

[vast marsh]

oooo

[bitter stirrup]

No literally almost any multiplier on the special will bring it over 120 damage

[plain vector]

yeah

[obsidian relic]

assuming scorch should be in one, scorch on special feels like it gets applied less

[vast marsh]

jolted is a different thing although i didnt know jolted is in h2

[bitter stirrup]

It shouldn't

Just get Smolder Ring if you really want Scorch for whatever reason

[cunning laurel]

it isnt in h2

[vast marsh]

oh

[cunning laurel]

different

[spare wind]

Oh alright that helps thanks

[deft pond]

This game is like OMFG good. Like its FU good. For an small indie game this is like 10/10

[plain vector]

same but diffrerent my fault

[spare wind]

I think it doesn't want me to win with each one as with aspect of Shiva I only did a chaos trials which I lost aswell

[plain vector]

im still hades 1 brained at heart

[obsidian relic]

it feels like it gives good damage, fyi i have only played the staff

[plain vector]

im also circe pilled for staff

[vast marsh]

is artemis aspect good

[tranquil wren]

on wait I got confused
unseen sentinel is to unlock all aspects, bearing dark gifts is to win once with each aspect

[bitter stirrup]

It does but on Melinoe Staff in particular it isn't the best

[spare wind]

It's alright
Damn dark gifts gonna take a bit then

And both great chaos below and the improbable outcomes achivement will take proper seasons I thinkso

[heady socket]

artemis aspect can get trick knives so yea i'd say it's pretty good

[vapid bough]

if a reward has onion above it does that mean im not getting it 100%?

it's not a double reward

[real scarab]

Yeah your getting an onion instead %100

[buoyant matrix]

vow of forfeit will eat it yeah

[vapid bough]

fk

[buoyant matrix]

onion is very aspect dependant, if you need boons fast you should drop it for some other 3 fear

[vapid bough]

not rly it didn't ruin me

[shut needle]

But hey, 1 health

[buoyant matrix]

the ever malicious vow of scars:

[vapid bough]

also im using morrigan

[buoyant matrix]

morrigan can handle onion fine yeah

[vapid bough]

ok fk you onion, twice in a row, enhanced good gods reward.....

[shut needle]

I forget what character or comic it was but they are like "what you eat whole onions raw!?"

[vapid bough]

ares and hera

[buoyant matrix]

that's hades 1

eurydice says that to zag

[vapid bough]

is +3 salt worth buying?

or dust

or whatever it's called

[shut needle]

If you need it still

[sweet cove]

Damn, it does look like a salt shaker LOL

[vapid bough]

i ended up buying cuz it's laast shop and im fine with not buying +30magic or healing xD

[vast marsh]

is toula a good pet?

she's so cute

[sharp ice]

i think so, yeah. i'm still new to the 2nd game, though.

[cursive nacelle]

If you play with strength no.

In general shes not very good frankly.

But pets arent that important overall so if you just want a pet cat do that

[sweet cove]

Depends on who you ask, Toula works against strength

She’s also the only pet that suffers from that issue in that she works against with a certain essential build element

[vapid bough]

what IS strength?

[vast marsh]

yea

[sweet cove]

You get one life only but you get a massive defence and a small attack boost

[bitter stirrup]

40% damage reduction and 20% (additive) damage boost when you have no Death Defiance effects

[cursive nacelle]

An arcana card that makes you stronger when you have no death defiances

[shut needle]

And you have to manually active her to get her to help in battle, by running her over

[vapid bough]

do do i activate it?

[vapid bough]

ah that one

[vast marsh]

i never use strength overall

[bitter stirrup]

It's a waste to use it with Death so you should choose one or the other

[sweet cove]

On my very first save I ran death defiance and struggled with progression. And when I replaced it with strength I was steam rolling the game

[vapid bough]

AHAHHAHA, chronos's healing machine is now healing me xDDDDD

[cursive nacelle]

Yep thats funny

[sweet cove]

People feel iffy for having no death defiance but the defence boost is no joke. Plus you can always use armour as an alternative as death defiance

[vapid bough]

i took ares's healing under 40 and the momon's relic for undying but i didn't even die once xDD

i really really need to make the vow reach the final bosses

[cursive nacelle]

The only reason im still running it is that death defiances fit perfectly for my 30 grasp while running fates whim

[sharp ice]

who would any of you say is the best pet, or does it really depend?

[buoyant matrix]

gale for high fear, raki for speedrunning

[sharp ice]

ty ty.

[buoyant matrix]

other three have their uses but you rarely see them in top level play

[sharp ice]

i've tried them all now, and i liked gale the best. i like hecuba for stunning the foes, too, though.

[sweet cove]

Hecuba’s magick boost is very helpful too, but yes Raki and Gale for sure. Nothing beats global crit and insta block

[buoyant matrix]

hecuba's biggest use case is helping you handle the early rooms of a run on a magick heavy aspect before you get a gain boon

[shut needle]

I like gale if need more magic, and ya the stuns and more spots to dig if desperate for health
Ya different resources from all of them that can influence which to bring

[buoyant matrix]

pretty good for moros and charon in particular

[bitter stirrup]

Raki, Toula, and Frinos have uses at high fear for Circe, hidden Flames, and hidden Axe respectively but otherwise Gale is pretty much always used

[sharp ice]

nice. thank you.

[vapid bough]

is the ||grigaros or hades's spear gonna be a weapon for me to use as an aspect?||?

[sweet cove]

No, it’s a plot device

[buoyant matrix]

no, just key ingredient to progress story

[vapid bough]

:cccc

boooo

can i ask where am i supposed to get ||entropy|| from or will it not be hidden?

cuz so far not even heard of it

[sweet cove]

The game is very clear to tell you where to get it, don’t worry

All the main plot incantations are very telegraphed

[buoyant matrix]

that is also a key ingredient to progress story, you'll naturally get it later dw

[sweet cove]

In fact the game even calls you out for delaying. It used to be that you must incant the moment you gather the ingredients

[vapid bough]

to me tbh, only progression i know is to kill the titan twice more and i'd have 7 of that material, idk what to do after

[buoyant matrix]

have you unlocked the surface path?

[vapid bough]

yea i beaten him once or twice

[buoyant matrix]

surface is also important for the story, you have to win a few more runs to figure out how to deal with typhon

[vapid bough]

3 times actually

[vapid bough]

for me it says kill him two more times and have gigaros

[buoyant matrix]

you should have "dissolution of monstrosity" in your cauldron

[vapid bough]

ye ye

[buoyant matrix]

yup, do that 👍

[vapid bough]

even before chronos?

[sweet cove]

Yes

[vapid bough]

ahh

[sweet cove]

It’s the only way actually

[buoyant matrix]

you can do them in whichever order you like, except the very last run

[crimson badger]

Did a update just come out a few mins ago?

[vapid bough]

so 2 typhon and one chronos(||to get gigaros hopefully in 1 run||) ?

[crimson badger]

Steam is showing one

[buoyant matrix]

I'm not sure how many more you need for ||gigaros||

[vapid bough]

i just talked to ||zag|| about it

he said he'll find a way to get it

[sweet cove]

You probably need 2 more runs

[crimson badger]

uh aren't we supposed to tag spoilers on this channel

[craggy totem]

All post-ending spoilers should be hidden, yes

[craggy totem]

I saw one too, pretty small one though. Partch narts wharn

[vapid bough]

mb i did hide it now, but post ending? i didn't get true ending yet though

[crimson badger]

It looks like an even smaller one than the last hotfix so probably no patch notes

[sharp ice]

oop. got one more time to go.

[craggy totem]

Awwwwwh

Maybe string fixes :P

[vapid bough]

seems i need two more eyes from him though

[sharp ice]

yeah.

[warm heron]

Would anyone perhaps know the specific conditions to the Poseidon dialogue where he specifically acknowledges that you use Sea Star a lot?

[sharp ice]

|| i got the incantation second time, though, but i'm on god mode, so who knows. ||

[warm heron]

The boon selection when he said it was very freaky, and I can't help but wonder if that was just a really good coincidence or if that's the requirement for him to say anything

[craggy totem]

God mode just decreases the damage you take iirc, it doesn't affect story progression

[sharp ice]

yeah, i know, i just wondered if 2-3 times made a difference.

[vapid bough]

For Morrigan, what is the best Hammer boons? Are the new special ones made for it the strongest, or is there a better Hammer boon overall?

[sweet cove]

I love Blood Triad so I would say yes to the exclusive hammers for it lol

Oh lol heehee 999 every where oops

[vapid bough]

im just wondering between +222 or 35% faster attacks

[sweet cove]

Blood triad is about using the three moves, to me the attack speed isn’t as important

[vapid bough]

it's the attack speed of the 3 moves

[sweet cove]

Also probably better suited to discuss this at combat and builds

[real scarab]

Sweeping ambush, final slice, onslaughts (wicked, rapid, skulking) are all really good

[desert verge]

Sorry if this was asked before. But if i have a boon and another boon connected to that boon(Like attack zeus boon and boon that gives chance for lightning to proc twice) Can 1st boon be exchange for another, so 2nd boon become useless, or i will get for exchange some another boon?

[real scarab]

Usually omega attack outdamages triad damage in my runs so I'll take one of them instead of triad hammers

[vast marsh]

hubris genuinely primed 100 of my magick

death to hubris

[sweet cove]

Secondary boons will be rendered useless if you exchange it’s primary

[desert verge]

can you explain with simple terms for someone who sucks in english?

[sweet cove]

If you exchange Zeus attack boon, the 2nd boon that makes it strikes twice will stay on your list but becomes useless.

[desert verge]

but will game even let you exchange it?

[sweet cove]

You can sell it at a pool of purging, but it does not offer any exchange.

[plain vector]

only cores can be sacrificed

[desert verge]

it is not what i asked

[plain vector]

what else could you have meant

[desert verge]

damh english is hard

let me try to say it different way

[sweet cove]

They are talking about secondary boons if the core is exchanged

[plain vector]

yeah

[jolly wing]

If I already unlocked Tablet of Peace and Shovel after Night 3,

What gift should I prioritize from Narcissus?

[crude dragon]

Do you have the axe?

[desert verge]

i bought an item that guarantee me exchange boon variant

so next boon sill have that sacrifice stuff

and question is

[jolly wing]

Not yet, I'm 5 Silver away from Axe

Though I'll be using Torch on my next night (Night 5)

[merry whale]

god damn apollo sounds exactly like the va (respectfully)

[dusk dove]

post ending question: ||is the new material just for decoration?||

[desert verge]

is it possible to have exchange that will make another boon useless cus they are connected? or game would not let you?

[plain vector]

it is possible

[desert verge]

so i just wasnt lucky

ok, thanks for your answer both of you

[strong rapids]

yeah it's only for cosmetic stuff

[dusk dove]

also, maybe i accidently got lucky with an unconventional build but|| new gamemode isn't that hard unless everyone went with lots of fear||
or aspect of ||morrigan is just that good||

[strong rapids]

||it's not crazy hard but I would definitely say it's harder than a normal run at the same fear. good runs are still just as easy, but unlucky runs or bad builds or weak starts get punished quite a bit more, I think||

[tranquil wren]

aspect of morrigan is just peak also

[crimson badger]

High fear really makes it difficult...||clearing some regions as the first one under 5 mins with minimal boons|| can get hard

[strong rapids]

||I lost 3 death defiances to a rivals chronos in region 1 when I only had one core boon. toula clutched it though||

[jolly wing]

Is Nectar always priortized over Ash and Bones (for the first 50 ish nights)?

[brave urchin]

It's so funny to me that the Hypnos fans cried so much that he is not relevant in H2 and ||now Supergiant put so much Hypnos content in the game.||

[strong rapids]

if this was the plan from the beginning, it would have been nice to tell us, instead of leaving people to believe they fumbled him

[crimson badger]

I would say prioritize nectar until you give 2 of them to each character (first one for keepsake, second one for ||fated list prophecy unlock||)...after that probably prioritising ash is better for upgrades...you can always take your time with gifting nectar

[jolly wing]

Upgrades? You mean unlocking Arcana cards?

[crimson badger]

Yeah

[strong rapids]

I believe I gave quite a bit of priority to arcana. a mix of arcana and gifting, that was my focus

being weak feels bad :P

[vast marsh]

i feel like the surface is like 3 times harder for me

[desert verge]

it is supposed to be, no?

[safe widget]

is it bad that the only reason i play these games is for the dating sim aspect

[desert verge]

who cares what brings you joy in this life?

as long as you do not disturb others

[vast marsh]

ive got a worse reason

the key to the answer is in my name

[safe widget]

based

idk the gameplay can get insanely infuriating but as long as i get to kiss arachne eventually its all good

[vast marsh]

as long as i get to see melinoe it's aight

[dusk dove]

how many people will i annoy if i intentionally completely avoid dionysus room since the day surface region 3 was released
i dont even have his keepsake or even met him once

[safe widget]

i dont like that freaky part

[ebon sigil]

that's fine, his boons are kinda meh, and his artwork is not unseeable

[elfin heron]

are you intimidated by his package

[halcyon rain]

but his keepsake is top tier...

(this is the speedrun brain talking)

[safe widget]

the only good keepsake is the silk sash

[spare wind]

40/50 achivements
1 is for doing all the achivements
So in total am missing abt 2
Which has 2 of the hardest achivements in the game

[dusk dove]

before hades 2 released i liked the hades 1 version of the character
before region 3 was released we were kinda hinted what happened to dio but i didn't expect it this bad

[spare wind]

These rest 9 probably gonna take me a full week or by sunday if i play alot

[dusk dove]

how long did it take for you to 100% hades 1 after getting normal ending? (didn't do epilogue yet)

[spare wind]

Am ashamed to say this but I only played 30 hours of H1😭 😭

Because at that time hades 2 1.0 got released so i got distracted

[ebon sigil]

as one named zag, you must go back to H1 eventually, even soon

[spare wind]

Like imagine if you are playing a game and loving it suddenly the second part of it releases
And considering the story isn't directly connected
You'll be distracted right? (Am not in an argument btw it's me vs me)

[dusk dove]

is it just me or trying to replay hades 1 from hades 2 feels like a completely different game, even after you change the moveset to be similar to hades 2

[spare wind]

I should i probably have my old save
I'll continue hades someday once I have 100% hades 2 with everything maxed

[spare wind]

That's just the cooking of supergiant

[strong rapids]

||I love what they did for dio, being a core Olympian with lame damage over time was lame, making him just a chill guy with a bulge is based||

[ebon sigil]

it's similar in mental stymulus, but in gameplay they feel very different. I still like hades 1 runs honestly

[solemn zodiac]

ye i tried to play hades again and it felt weird having discrete dashes instead of a sprint lol

[jolly wing]

Yes!

Narcissus finally offered Nightshade gift on Night 4!

[spare wind]

It's like Marvel movies (not avengers) where the universe is the same but the movies are different

Shi eg. Ngl

[ebon sigil]

Except marvel movies got lame, but hades 2 is still good

[solemn zodiac]

does any1 know what's next for SG? are they taking a (well-earned) break from h2? are there gonna be any DLCs for hades? will there be a h3 (hopefully!!??) or are they moving onto something new?

[spare wind]

It'll probably take some time to get the hang of it without the cast

[dusk dove]

damage overtime like dio cast stunned some of the annoying enemies like the mini chariots
it bassicly ended up being cast with extra steps

[ebon sigil]

they don't say, probably doing a new game

[spare wind]

H3 tbh I am not sure if they gonna do it

H2 ending seems very closed to me for this whole story but idk

I don't even know greek mythology lol

[strong rapids]

nah I mean his hangover damage over time, not the festive fog stun

[spare wind]

I mean ngl next game from supergiant would be pressured considering the succes of H1 and 2

[solemn zodiac]

mayhaps

it'd be rad if they revisited the Iliad and put the player in the trojan war

[spare wind]

Id love to see H3 lol
Because no one (i thinkso) images H2 after H1 ending

[solemn zodiac]

it'd be equally cool if they ventured into a completely different mythology like norse or chinese

[dusk dove]

mostly radio silence until they shadow drop trailer, there is another obsecure hades's daughter but i forgot the name

[spare wind]

I bought old games from supergiant just to support but I might end up playing them

[vast marsh]

if you're thinking of the same thing I'm thinking then yes, it's huge

[spare wind]

Bought bastion and transistor
Didn't consider pyre tho

[solemn zodiac]

makaria

[spare wind]

I think it'll atleast be a few years before that

[solemn zodiac]

μακαρος means blessed so Μακαρια is the goddess of blessed / fortunate death

[spare wind]

Oh there's not even a mention of her in this game? Is the timeline very different in the mythology?

[dusk dove]

post end question: ||are the gods still afraid of mel for managing to do the impossible and casually kill an immortal (typhon)?||

[solemn zodiac]

well, the timeline in greek mythology is kinda complex and references to time are fairly scarce; there are often disjoint threads involving some god(desse)s that occasionally meet. is that what you mean by timeline?

[dusk dove]

something similar happened in hades 1: where persephone says she doesn't plan to have another children but melinoe was still born

[spare wind]

Probably
I am not sure but melinoe could probably take on a god if she wanted to what do you guys think

[dusk dove]

post ending: ||literally EVERYONE was afraid of melinoe once they found out that typhon was killed for good and can do it again if she has a good enough reason||

[solemn zodiac]

its not uncommon for even mortals to wound and damage gods (c.f. Diomedes against ares and aphrodite, but this was with athena's guidance) but for them to be completely erased is something else lol

[spare wind]

Yeah
Like the story here is from H1 hades only had zagreous but in H2 melinoe was mentioned and thus the game so it could be that makaria was born after melinoe
Not sure as there wasn't a mention of melinoe in H1 either

[spare wind]

Considering typhon is still not completely erased though because it's still present in different timelines

[spare wind]

I might have to revisit that it's been 3-4 months since I did the ending

Epilogue was cool ||The design of the 3 fates was very good
It was a bit underwhelming to me when I saw the 3 fates though
Because of there unfathomable powers i thought it'll be more dramatic
But regardless amazing epilogue||

[dusk dove]

i dont remember if they changed the dialogue regarding that event after the updated ending

[spare wind]

Did you do the ending in early access or was there a patch for change in the ending

[granite cosmos]

It called hades 2 cause hades is in it too

[spare wind]

Hades 3 would also need hades in it hmm

[dusk dove]

there was a slightly different ending that didn't make sense, bunch of people hated it, they to a degree changed the ending and story to make it more sense

[spare wind]

I see
That's actually really good from the Dev's for changing on the basis of feedback ig that's the perk of early access

I saw an image once which didn't have the illustrations in the arcana or the moonstone dust(where you upgrade the arcana)
It was an early access picture I think
It felt so wierd

[solemn zodiac]

to be perfectly honest i dont think anyone's complaining if they left the hades series as it is as just this duology, but a trilogy would be sick

[spare wind]

Yeah tbh rare event I see where there isn't any issue in both choices

[granite cosmos]

Hear me out a spinoff that focuses on Hercules doing the labors

[spare wind]

I mean some people might be harsh on making a trilogy but if they do it right like H2 it'll boom

Supergiant as a studio already made great games ngl
Bastion and transistor have such good reviews
Hades they completely deserved the succes

[proud swift]

I'd love another game no matter what it is honestly, and i'd love an unrelated game too.

[spare wind]

Yeah considering any game from supergiant hasn't been mid or bad (am speaking on basis of reviews)
Anything they make next i assume would be good
Although there can be times when things don't go right

[dusk dove]

hades is also a name for the underworld/hell in greek mythology

[spare wind]

Then we don't need hades in H3

[proud swift]

Getting a Co Op Hades 3 where we can play as both Zag and Mel would be a dream come true for me.

[dusk dove]

its more of a what if but what was underworld like before hades (god) took over?

[spare wind]

The irony of my steam profile picture and name lol
I have melinoe on the Profile pc.
And name Peace enjoyer

[spare wind]

Oh even before H1 story
Could be cool
Hear me out what if you played as hades

[dusk dove]

(wrote this midway your message) would it be a strech for third hades game to be hades himself in his younger years?
we kinda see that zag kinda is slower compared in his game

[proud swift]

They'd never give his grumpy ass boons though. 😂

[spare wind]

Very good idea but tbh I don't imagine it happening

[elfin heron]

Bastion is like a proto Hades, has a lot of the same weapons, and even a heat system, but the enemy variety is bad and there are no bosses at all, just elite enemies, the combat is pretty janky compared to Hades, but it's still a fun time
Transistor is a mix of real-time and turn based, I think Melinoe's axe animations are lifted from Transistor actually, the way she holds the axe when walking is exactly the same
both games are incredibly short, only about 6 hours each

[vapid bough]

if i don't unlock aspect of ||Persephone|| and upgrade it can't get aspect of hel right?

[spare wind]

Lmao
Probably hades vs gods

[dusk dove]

mind you that hades in his younger years fought in the titan wars, (hades 1 dialogue) (maybe extreme measures?)

[spare wind]

Damn they went from making 6 hours playtime games to
10s of 100s of hours

[spare wind]

Tbh all this Greek mythology is very interesting is there a way to read the underworld part?

[deft pond]

Oi @spare wind This game is FU good, damn it!!

[fathom lake]

I genuinely hope we dont get Hades 3

[spare wind]

I mean you'll get a new username for discord

[vapid bough]

anyone?

[elfin heron]

yeah, it's why Chronos wants revenge, Hades and Zeus and others chopped up and imprisoned him

[spare wind]

Damn i should read he said game not name

[fathom lake]

Good Point
but if would be hilarious if we finally played as Hades in Hades LMFAO HAAHAJIDKklldl
(haha yes)

[deft pond]

When you think this game is done, it keeps going. Then you think it's really done, and the damn thing keeps on trucking

[elfin heron]

you need to unlock both non-default aspects, but you can max out either

[dusk dove]

if there will be a hades 3, its either makaria or hades himself prequel

[vapid bough]

and then use any aspect and talk to medea?

[spare wind]

Tbh there is so so much dialogue that if you ever even exhausted it it'll just repeat the starting dialogues(I mean the ones which can be repeated)
And you won't even remember them they were repeated

[fathom lake]

Playinh as Hades should have a realky heavy gameplay and i think that would be cool

[elfin heron]

is your aspect of Medea maxed out? then just unlock Persephone and talk to Medea to unlock Hel

[vapid bough]

what about the hidden aspects of umbral flames/axe/black coat/staff?

[spare wind]

Yeah probably a triple health bar too

[plain vector]

i thought they were done with hades now

[spare wind]

Depends though idk what age he was if they set him in the world

[elfin heron]

it's all the same, unlock BOTH non-default aspects, max out EITHER, then talk to the NPC named after one of them
maxing out the default Mel aspect does nothing, it has to be one of the nightmare ones

[spare wind]

Just to be clear we are just chatting around and i probably think there won't be H3

[buoyant matrix]

unlock all the three normal aspects and max one of the ones that needs nightmare

[fathom lake]

But i also really want to see what else Supergiant has in store after the hades universe

[dusk dove]

we're just talking about a what if

[fathom lake]

.

[vapid bough]

nn i know that, i meant who do i talk to or what their mech is

[spare wind]

It'll be along wait until we get to see that though

[dusk dove]

do you think it will be a roguelike or something new entirely?

[spare wind]

Maybe they are planning the next game already? Am not sure probably not H2 wasn't released that too long ago really

[spare wind]

Supergiant made and conquered roguelike genre which it had never used so they can very well change the genre

[elfin heron]

just google that if you're lazy, but like I said there's an NPC associated with every weapon, one of the aspects is always named after someone who is in the game

[spare wind]

An isometric rpg from supergiant would go hard ngl

[vapid bough]

ok , i did, and i can't speak to moros? should i do another run?

[spare wind]

Did you exhaust the dialogue for the night? Like have you talked to him already today

By today I mean after doing your last run

[vapid bough]

kinda yea

[spare wind]

Yup then you gotta do another run it's basically day and night system
You can chat new dialogue next nightt

[vapid bough]

is it okay if i fail on room 1?

[spare wind]

Yup

If you are in a rush you can always do that
Although I don't suggest it

[simple sierra]

Just watched the character voices vid;

Hecate telling me to just get good followed by Prom telling me I deserved my deaths healed me

[proud swift]

Logan does so many voices he might be a Titan in real life.

[elfin heron]

can you believe he's both Chronos and Hades? and Poseidon? and Homer?

[tranquil wren]

yeah it's insane

[buoyant matrix]

and typhon

and polyphemus

[hushed cloak]

I can believe Hades and posiedon having the same VA, I can believe Homer and Chronos having the same VA, but those two groups having the same VA is insane to me

[elfin heron]

Darren Korb is also very talented, when Zagreus talks to Skelly, can you believe that it's the same VA talking to himself??
but that's not all, he composed all the music in both games and even sang the big songs in Hades 1 (as Orpheus)

[hushed cloak]

Wait zag and Skelly is the same guy?????

[elfin heron]

yep

[hushed cloak]

[buoyant matrix]

also narcissus

[hushed cloak]

Blood and darkness

That's range

[elfin heron]

he's also Orpheus, it's like a completely different voice:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I__2XcdQiMM

[jolly wing]

I learned my lesson from my time.

I only saved my Bones for Nightmare.

Now I buy Nectar at every chance I get.

[vapid bough]

do u guys think that the other hidden aspect are as cool and interresting as morrigan?

[loud siren]

Is there a way to wake up the cyclops after beating him?

[vast marsh]

anyone got tips for prometheus

[candid nimbus]

Nope

[nova oar]

Yes

[nova oar]

Stay at mid range and play as patient as possible

[candid nimbus]

Yeah, I feel all of the hidden aspects are at least interesting. Some of them are my favorite aspect of that weapon, even

[crude dragon]

Yeah, the hidden Staff is pretty neat

[halcyon rain]

yeah

hidden torches is really cool

[vapid bough]

wow eris....3 defiances??

idk if im bad now or if it's the 32 fear affecting my run

[proper seal]

Eris annoying

She's the equivalent of Scylla but on the surface

[vast marsh]

is medea a good aspect at 45 fear for a new player

[vapid bough]

scylla is waayyy easier, hell even the cyclops is easier

[hushed cloak]

Most definitely

[vast marsh]

scylla is wayy easier

[proper seal]

Unrivaled Scylla sure but Rivaled is a whole different story

[hushed cloak]

With Scylla, all the projectiles and whatnot move pretty slow and focusing one performer off rip drastically decreases the difficulty

[split shuttle]

medeas super unsafe so nah not really

try mel staff or circe

[vast marsh]

okay

[hushed cloak]

But w eris she has a whole bunch of aoe and fast moving projectiles that piss me off

[vapid bough]

rivaled isn't that hard also(you mean|| the one with tentacle beast right?||)

[proper seal]

Yes || Charybdis ||

[hushed cloak]

And getting behind her isn't even safe sometimes cause you're got guaranteed to get there fast enough before she starts shooting

[vapid bough]

yea that still isn't as hard as eris rivaled, i think at least

[shut needle]

Enjoy in EA there was a time where he could destroy the wells and his grab was almost impossible to dodge

[vast marsh]

with mel staff do i use omega special or omega attack for main source of damage?

[split shuttle]

no, dash strike then regular special then repeat

[shut needle]

Depends on your build too

[split shuttle]

mel staff is a magickless weapon

[vast marsh]

rlly

damn

which boon do i use for special and attack

i think aphro no?

cause hitch wouldn't do much

appollo's bigger radius too

[vapid bough]

is the money gained from Dionysus affected by poseidon's boon? for small finds?*

[crude dragon]

Does it get directly added to your wallet, or does he drop off a thing to pick up?

Because I don't think it will if it's the former

[crystal frigate]

How can I sell my fish

[reef sail]

Broker but you have to do an incantation to have him buy fish

After that it’s his third tab

[crystal frigate]

How do I unlock th incantation?

[crude dragon]

Fish up some fish

[cunning laurel]

if you dont want hera, go apollo or aph yea

[vast marsh]

i enjoyed hades 1 more idk why

the mechanics felt cleaner

[elfin heron]

how? in H1 you need very specific builds and sometimes even hammers, while in 2 most things are viable

like take the spear, it's low speed low damage, it's terrible unless you get the flurry jab hammer or use the aspect of achilles and just spam casts

there are no weapons like this in H2

[vast marsh]

idk man

i had WAY more fun doing 32 heat in h1 than in h2

and i did hestia with DC2

[cunning laurel]

what was more fun about it you think

[vapid bough]

guys from after prometheus until typhon , how many rooms?

is it less than 15?

[cursive nacelle]

yes. Every region is 10-11 rooms.

[tranquil wren]

summit is the shortest region afaik

it's got 6 encounters? two regular, miniboss, two regular, miniboss, then exit

[cursive nacelle]

true no mid way shop

[vast marsh]

i have no idea why i enjoyed it way more tbh

I like the regions and enemies in hades 1 way more

i hate the enemies from h2

[vapid bough]

end shop though

[void needle]

hey everyone

[vapid bough]

hey

guys how many times do i need to ||wake hypnos up to access the new content||?

[tranquil wren]

you just need to wake him up once, but it ||takes like three tries to do it||

the time it actually works is when you beat the main story and get something from ||hades||

[vapid bough]

so more and more poppies

[vapid bough]

but i still have to do it 3 times?

[tranquil wren]

yes. each time it's a different recipe

[vast marsh]

im straight cheeks

i cant even beat 40 feat

[vapid bough]

i can't even beat 2 feat

[vast marsh]

how many hours you got in the game

[proper seal]

I have 167 hours

[vapid bough]

i can't rly say but i meant "feet" as a joke xD
as you didn't write fear

[proper seal]

if anyone makes a 67 joke I swear to god-

[vast marsh]

feet

[buoyant matrix]

ooo new fear pusher i see 👀

[vast marsh]

alr buddy

[vapid bough]

no, no, not that much dw

[vast marsh]

[vast marsh]

yea but im so bad

[proper seal]

good

[buoyant matrix]

we all were at some point

[vapid bough]

got one more statue to unlock left

[buoyant matrix]

the climb until 50 is very doable with some practice

[vast marsh]

how many hours do people usually got in the game when they beat 50 fear

[buoyant matrix]

i don't remember

[vapid bough]

also i don't understand, is the third statue requiring 32 fear? cuz i only see 2 records of 24 surface and 32 underworld, no mention of 3rd?

[buoyant matrix]

you have to do both for the final statue

underworld with 32 fear and surface with 24

[vast marsh]

but like what's the average amount

[vapid bough]

so total of two runs?

[buoyant matrix]

i doubt we can figure that out

there're already very few people who go above 32, and I don't think anyone remembers when they managed to break the 50 barrier

[vapid bough]

what better starting keepsake than chaos?

[buoyant matrix]

god keepsakes

[vapid bough]

who

[buoyant matrix]

or if you've reached the credits, ||jeweled pom||

[buoyant matrix]

whoever is better for the aspect you're playing

[vapid bough]

i don't want to read that as i haven't i just haven't unlocked the last three before chaos

[vapid bough]

idk which is best for persephone

[buoyant matrix]

oh that's a tough choice since persephone can run so many different builds

you can never go wrong with zeus attack

[vapid bough]

huh, i never understood how zeus can be good

[buoyant matrix]

blitz is broken strong

[vapid bough]

uhh you'd need to hit a lot and build on it, i tried scorch and freeze and it was OP

[cunning laurel]

it only takes 120 damage, not a lot

[buoyant matrix]

nah blitz alone will always be in your top damage dealt for the run

[vapid bough]

with freeze i can proc 1400-1700, outside all my dmg

and no cooldown on that

[cunning laurel]

the cooldown is building up all that scorch

also thats a duo as opposed to just blitz attack

[vapid bough]

no need to build it, just apply it with skulls and then proc, rince and repeat

[buoyant matrix]

you literally just described blitz

[cunning laurel]

yea if i did those same actions with blitz itd be more damage

[vapid bough]

does blitz do average of 1500 every 2-3 sec? outside normal dmg

[buoyant matrix]

it can do that much yeah

[vapid bough]

okay im intruiged, how? just build with zeus alone?

[buoyant matrix]

a decently leveled blitz with double strike will keep chonking healthbars like crazy

[broken glen]

The thing about blitz is how well it scales

As you deal more damage it'll trigger faster

[buoyant matrix]

origination and furies and strength make it deal double damage, double strike for quadruple

[vapid bough]

yea, do i need duo for that or not

[buoyant matrix]

nope

[broken glen]

nope it just works like that

which is kind of absurd

either triggers after 4 seconds or (iirc) 120 damage

[vapid bough]

no idea what those are, but if they are arcanas, i don't use them and i won't change my arcana build for just zeus, not trying to be rude or anything

[broken glen]

I mean there's a high chance that you'll have at least one of those already (furies)

and you don't have to run strength, but origination is just fun (meta aside)

and encourages diverse builds

[cunning laurel]

you dont use arcanas or just those specific ones?

[vapid bough]

xD, ofc just those since i just checked mine

[cunning laurel]

hmm what are you using then, those are some of the best

[buoyant matrix]

do you happen to run unseen and excellence

[vapid bough]

unseen yes

[buoyant matrix]

@vapid bough equip furies and origination, then play scorch like you always do. see how much damage you deal then

forget about zeus, try the damage arcanas

[vapid bough]

sorceress persistence boatman, the queen,unsee, wayward,huntress, death, fates,eternety, centaur , champions,divinity,enchantress , moon

[broken glen]

Try turning off unseen so you can experiment with some different gain boons

glamour gain is fun and works like unseen but also applies weak

[buoyant matrix]

drop unseen and eternity for origination and furies

[merry matrix]

did they add a new figurine decoration w the update?

cuz it looks like am missing one, does anyone know what it is

[buoyant matrix]

they did!

it's now an equal 6 on each row

[merry matrix]

which one!! I need to unlock it!

[buoyant matrix]

it's for ||hypnos||

[merry matrix]

thanks! how do I get it?

[buoyant matrix]

you have to finish a bunch of ||dream dives|| to gather the materials

[merry matrix]

okurrr

[indigo wagon]

Anyone know what today’s patch is about ?

[vapid bough]

ok i got heaven strike and arc flash, what else i needed for op zeus build?
also i'll try using those card you reccomended next run

[buoyant matrix]

double strike is your best friend

[proud swift]

Bugfix

[vapid bough]

......., i locked it.

any other reccomend

[buoyant matrix]

should've taken double strike over arc flash

[buoyant matrix]

static shock is another easy boost in damage

[vapid bough]

didn't know any better

[vapid bough]

power surge vs electric overload?

[buoyant matrix]

electric overload

power surge is bad, the range is short and the damage is low

the only use case is mirrored thrasher staff

[radiant shuttle]

It amazes me that the game becomes "easy" after defeating Cronos the first time.

Hades gave me more trouble than him.

[vapid bough]

...fk, always heroic flame strike comes to steal the show, should i take it and then try to find another zeus boon for special?

what do u think

[buoyant matrix]

you may have locked zeus special

[vapid bough]

aaand i can't even check if i did xDD

[cunning laurel]

do you know the range acutally

[buoyant matrix]

flame strike as your main damage source relies a lot on pyro technique, if you're confident you can grab that later then sure go for it

[buoyant matrix]

i think it's about as Aphrodite's nearby lmao

[cunning laurel]

oh wtf

[vapid bough]

nn i just won a run with her build, let me try zeus

[past vessel]

I just started a few days ago on Xbox and my strategy is: Hey maybe this will wor- oh. That was the wrong choice. Oops.

[vapid bough]

yea that's everyone, untill u win once

bit by bit

[limpid stream]

H2 asks you to be a bit more boon strategic then H1 I think

[past vessel]

I tend to be a stubborn sort. Didn't really think I'd have trouble with Chronos on the best run I had.

[vapid bough]

not quite the easy boss

[limpid stream]

What weapon are you favoring

[past vessel]

Well I was relying on a time stop build.

Soooooo......

[crude dragon]

I mean

Surprise, the Titan of Time resists time manipulation

No Za Warudo for you without some extra work

[past vessel]

YOU CAN BURN WATER CREATURES

[crude dragon]

Well, they aren't in the water when you burn them :3

[past vessel]

Aren't Scylla and her crew in water?

[crude dragon]

No, the stage has maybe a quarter inch of water on it

Also, have you tried pausing during the Chronos fight?

[proud swift]

If fish are water creatures how do we cook and eat them?

Makes no sense for real.

[limpid stream]

Fish also are just inhabitants of the water, not the divine personification of water from a generation of deities implied to have more brute force than the ones currently in charge

[past vessel]

Fair point.

[limpid stream]

But what are you using outside of time stop

[past vessel]

Uhhhhhh. The staff you start with. Scorch typically if I can get it. Then I try to go for the Scorch Freeze Boon and maybe double attack.

[crude dragon]

If I may recommend a different approach, especially if you unlocked Aspect upgrades: Go for Blitz on the attack and a percentage on the Special

[past vessel]

I don't think I've got Aspect upgrades yet.

Honestly I'm mid run and can't remember.

[limpid stream]

I don’t think there’s an aspect blitz isn’t optimal on lol, like not to track you into meta but Zeus is very OP in this game

That said Hestia is too imo

[buoyant matrix]

charon 💔 🥀

ospecial does so much damage you're better off with %boosts

[limpid stream]

If I’m running a mana hungry build Cardio Gain is a must have for me

Cardio game + Wicked Thrasher my beloved

[past vessel]

Wouldn't blitz rely on a lot of hit and run kinda tactics considering how it works? Sorry if thats a dumb question.

[buoyant matrix]

no blitz is just built different

you click buttons and it ends up at the top of your damage dealt list

[limpid stream]

Blitz auto pops or pops after certain damage, whichever comes first

[crude dragon]

It's better Doom

[crude orchid]

Hey guys does anyone play on xbox? I think they uploaded the wrong build for the hotfix because it has developer controls and stuff. Was anything said about this?

[buoyant matrix]

yeah someone just talked about this in the speedcord, don't touch any of those settings until they patch it out

[crude orchid]

It's okay to play though otherwise?

[past vessel]

I'd assume so. Just don't do the bad thing.

[crude orchid]

okay lol thanks

[vapid bough]

gn

[past vessel]

I'll look into Blitz Builds next run. I still find it funny I got bullied by Rat King twice before I realized how....exploitable the AI was.

[broken glen]

Rats are scary

[wintry dagger]

Debug patch out for the xbox version, disable collision time

[broken glen]

canon melinoe

[wintry dagger]

I also pushed an oopsy update to prod on a friday afternoon once

[subtle shoal]

some xbox folks accidentally got a test build instead of the correct version for the latest hotfix and it left some dev menus in

beaten lol

[crystal frigate]

How can I get more death live things

[crude dragon]

Arcana upgrades are gated behind Hecate dialogue

You'll find that's a running trend, for Hecate to be what's gating some meta-progression unlock

[crimson badger]

post game content..||so far I did about 15 dream dives and about 7-8 normal runs (both underworld and surface)...apart from some new dialogues, infinite gifting, dream dives, and cosmetics, is bathing with heracles the only new content?||

[crimson badger]

Ive pretty much done everything in the game...asking this only to make sure whether new dialogues are the only thing left for me now or is there anything else?

[lean bronze]

do i get to join the cool peoples club for all aspects 32f
or is that too easy

[proud swift]

Do 62f all aspects to join the very cool peoples club.

[formal kindle]

For high fear runs, are keyboard and mouse recommended over controller?

[proud swift]

Either will work but KBM is probably going to be highly preferred if you're running the coat, and id still say KBM would be slightly better regardless of weapon.

[formal kindle]

Huh interesting

Cuz the game itself recommends controller, but good to know!

[lean bronze]

[merry lark]

is there any necessary hammer to make aspect of eos good?

[ebon sigil]

it's good on it's own, what do you mean?

[merry lark]

ive seen people simp for eos aspect in this chat
but idk why, aspect of moros or just regular melinoe aspect seem to outperform it

[crude dragon]

You need to play it the exact opposite of Moros, for starters

[ebon sigil]

mel, nah... moros, of course, moros is generally stronger

[ebon sigil]

https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-2-build-guide#aspect-of-eos-flames

[crude dragon]

Set a Daybreaker out, then spam Specials

[merry lark]

strength was nerfed?

[nimble vine]

Hi guys at Supergiant. I bought Hades 1 on Epic and as a PS5 owner, I wish if SGG could adjust the prices for Brasil. It's too expensive here still

[crude dragon]

Yeah, used to be 50% DR/25% damage once upon a time

[ebon sigil]

you need to send daybreaker out first by hitting attack, and then you hit specials or ospecials.

[merry lark]

OHHHHHHHHHHH now i get it
@ebon sigil@crude dragon
aspect of eos is strong because it copies your specials thats why :D

[crude dragon]

YEP

[merry lark]

i usually never actually press the special button while using torches

unless on moros

quick special to detonate

[crude dragon]

That's also not how you play Moros, FWIW

[tranquil wren]

ospecial better

[merry lark]

i find the ospecial quite lame and boring to use :D

[tranquil wren]

what

[crude dragon]

You want to have OSpecial active on it at all times and play so that the enemies are at the orbit's range

[merry lark]

on torches

[tranquil wren]

moros optimal play is what strength arcana said

[merry lark]

hmm i see i see
well now i regret investing nightmare into it cuz that aint really my style

[crude dragon]

Also, did they ever un-disable Hidden Helix on Eos?

Or is what would otherwise be its best hammer still unobtainable?

[elfin heron]

Moros is omega special into hold attack, it deals silly damage but is very magic hungry, you want born gain or cardio gain

[merry lark]

i think aspect of eos would be best with hephaestus attack and hera special

[crude dragon]

Or Zeus

[merry lark]

hephaestus attack to make the orb pulse do +500 dmg

[crude dragon]

When the clang is off cooldown, sure

[merry lark]

it gets really low cooldown at higher levels

[crude dragon]

I am aware

[merry lark]

like 2 seconds or less

[crude dragon]

Trust me, I am aware of the Clang Gang and their crimes

[merry lark]

i personally dont really like hephaestus actives at all

but i love his passives

trusty shield is great, so is the bonus dmg to armor

[crude dragon]

Most people are fans of Trusty Shield, yes

[merry lark]

and i wanna do a heavy metal build someday with the arachne keepsake on all run

would be fun with an extremely fast weapon

like aspect of hel

[crude dragon]

If you're gonna do that, also try to roll the Crimson Dress off Arachne

Nah, you wouldn't do it on Hel

[merry lark]

what it do?

[crude dragon]

You'd do it on Nergal or Mel Skull

[hushed cloak]

Remember playing heph Hestia eos, got a bunch of poms and rarity on grand caldera and smithy strike and I was ripping like 1800 damage every 2 seconds for basically free

[merry lark]

Hel needs a range buff tbh
range so short it feels like a melee weapon

[hushed cloak]

It was awesome

[crude dragon]

5 armor dress, increases your damage by 100%(?) and adds 2% per room afterwards

[merry lark]

jesus christ

thats cracked

[crude dragon]

Keep in mind you only lose a dress when all your armor is deleted