h2-discussion

[frank karma]

probably not worth trying again tho

did world collider and aphro attack and just went for all the power boons and such

basically got everything an Oattack build could ever want

it was fine, nothing crazy

[jolly hound]

Feels like the o special isn’t gonna do more damage than the ten punches I can get off in the same time

Poseidon attack go brr Hestia ain’t bad either but otherwise yea I’m with ya don’t love the coat

[frank karma]

Its alright but the other aspects still feel like they have more going for them. ill try some of the stuff these guys reccomended. Im open to doing more coat runs but with my current understanding of whats good on the coat it just doesn't feel great. but who knows maybe ill try some stuff and my mind will change.

[craggy totem]

For me, it's mainly if the ospecial gets some juice on it, like your Fine Lines or Controlled Burns or Ocean Swells, because the low cost + fast channel makes it relatively easy to pull off

Normal special does plenty on its own imo (and doesn't interrupt attack, except on Shiva, which is why Shiva and I don't get along)

[quick crescent]

made it past prometheus for the first time

how cooked am i about to be?

[craggy totem]

You might be fine!

[frank karma]

Prometheus is tough. Gl on summit

What's your build?

[jolly hound]

wrong mindset. you overcame a big test now it’s time to ride that momentum

[quick crescent]

axe and alot of hera demeter and a little hephastus

[quick crescent]

whoops had to take like a 10 minute break so mementum prob gone oh well

[jolly hound]

Do some push ups then get after it

you got this

[quick crescent]

first room was a mini boss room this is going great already

[jolly hound]

nothing up there is harder than promo

positive gaslight yourself

nem said she’d let you put your face between her thighs if you win

[quick crescent]

IMA GONNA WIN!!

also this isnt to bad tbh

[craggy totem]

Yeah, if you can make it to the very end, it's not as complicated as Prometheus in some respects

[jolly hound]

Told ya

[foggy sable]

what single boon works best with success chance (or whatever it was called, im only just now getting back into the game lol)

[quick crescent]

BRO WHAT IS THAT?!?!?!?

i literally couldnt dodge a single thing in the second fast

[craggy totem]

sdfhjfdghjg

[craggy totem]

Success Rate. It has the same effect on every chance-based boon, so the "best" boon completely depends on your build.

[quick crescent]

danm tentacles balls and laser all coming at once like i dodge on attack and get by another one

[foggy sable]

success rate

[broken glen]

Critical boons and double strike are my favorites

It also massively boosts froth

[foggy sable]

I think that getting a lot of levels on that one zeus revenge boon and then getting success rate is funny, if not the best build ever

id imagine people have gone for that sort of thing though

(did not mean to reply to that)

[craggy totem]

It's sad that the levels don't increase the %chance or the damage, just the cap on multistrike times

[quick crescent]

im so mad i bet i had him so close

[craggy totem]

You'll get im next time :)

[quick crescent]

man im gonna take a break that was so frustrating

had 350hp and 4 death defiances and i lost them all in the second phase bruh like come on

i can almost no hit chronos at this point

[foggy sable]

I feel like the rarity should scale the chance

and on that note, rarity and level should scale different things more often

(if they even do at all rn)

[craggy totem]

Learning curve!

[foggy sable]

aand I just got a common success rate :c

could have been an epic smh

I did get the funny dodge chance one though

[quick crescent]

bro ive played every souls game i dont need to hear this from my enjoyment of hades to 😭

[foggy sable]

hasty retreat

[craggy totem]

Simply Aromatic Phial

[foggy sable]

im not taking a 1/3 lol

and im already doing the funny fates whim so id rather not lose out on money thing in the second area

[jolly hound]

if you had that much left after Prometheus you’re gonna be just fine

[quick crescent]

yeah i know i just struggle with to much screen clutter like have three attacks happeneing at once

[jolly hound]

watch a few fights on YouTube, save yourself some time lol

it can be chaotic but if you can smoke chronos you can take typhon too

[foggy sable]

who's the most intimidating enemy to see giant and why is it the guys that stab the ground in thessaly

[quick crescent]

i mean yeah but chronos doesnt have the balls

i dont get overwhelmed my eyes just literally cannot see

[jolly hound]

YouTube some wins over him, get yourself used to it without having to do whole runs

also if you can beat promo without losing a defiance, you can do this too. promo hardest part of surface by far

[quick crescent]

what i am trying to say is it is not a problem of being overwhelmed, there is literally to much on the screen for my eyes to handle

my own eyeballs cannot process the pure amount of effects happeneing

it is a problem with my astigmatism

[jolly hound]

yes, that’s why I’m recommending watching it separately from just your runs, it’ll speed up the process of learning the fight

[foggy sable]

I just got an epic furnace blast and an epic grand caldera in one boon

I want both of them

so getting glow was the right option

hephaestus blast 🔥

[torn wind]

I usually take glow if I don't have a second curse already

[foggy sable]

what would you say is your favorite curse?

[torn wind]

I mean hitch and blitz are fun and also top tier but I also do kinda enjoy freeze

[foggy sable]

honestly im the kind of person who basically just has whatever god is carrying me as my favorite in that moment

they all work well (except kind of ares, who is imo ironically more of a support god)

[torn wind]

If wounds is on something you're using regularly it's pretty solid but as a secondary curse it's not great

[torn wind]

I need to stop forgetting to check my codex before taking a boon and being forced into sacrificing something that defines my build

[timid hatch]

Cute end of a chaos trial.

"Return to shadow... now? ...OW! Return to shadow now!"

[weak thunder]

is it me or is hades harder than chronos

[proper seal]

Chronos is much more difficult than Hades personally

but I think its because Chronos has a lot more attacks than Hades

[broken creek]

rivals gramps is insane compared to EM hades

[weak thunder]

i beat chronos first try but hades took me at least a few attempts

[royal orbit]

What a handsome bunch of gamers

[frank karma]

1.0 spoilers question: ||can Zagreus' fight only be found in the underworld or can you fight him on surface runs too?||

[stable flame]

Both

[craggy totem]

As long as it's a midshop, it can occur

[frank karma]

cool. thanks

[stable flame]

IIRC there's even a symbol on the shop door if it's gonna be there

[craggy totem]

Yep, they added that in one of the patches, very handy

[proper seal]

I now realize how fountain rooms work on || Thessaly ||

the next door thats not an arrow is a fountain room

but then how would you identify a fountain room in Oceanus?

[crude dragon]

You don't

You can only ID the Thessaly and Tartarus fountains

Thessaly will be a door into a room that has a reward and no elite icon, and I think the Tartarus fountain is always a boon (so you ID it by it being a Boon with no elite icon)

[proper seal]

oh for tartarus would it just be a boon with no boss icon on the door?

[crude dragon]

If my memory serves right and it's a guaranteed Boon, yes

[bitter stirrup]

Does the Tartarus fountain only appear if you've already taken other extra rooms or is it just that rare

[onyx meteor]

Is Rivals Chronos supposed to be more difficult than Rivals Typhon?

[craggy totem]

Yes.

[frank karma]

What are some Good duos for scorch builds?

[bitter stirrup]

imo the best Scorch build is a Blitz build that happens to have Scorch and Thermal Dynamics

[craggy totem]

Thermal (Zeus) and Burning (Aphro)

[bitter stirrup]

But actual Scorch duos are Scalding Vapor, Burning Desire, and Freezer Burn, I haven't used them much though

[craggy totem]

Scalding isn't technically a Scorch duo; it should work with non-Scorch fire effects as well, iirc

[bitter stirrup]

Oh yeah like Glowing Coal and Controlled Burn

[craggy totem]

Yeee

The caveat on that one is that while it does convert the unreliable %chance of Froth into guaranteed DoT, it does remove the Froth, so if that was one of your only two Origination curses...

[broken creek]

freezer burn

if you play scorch you either do pyro tech and dont gaf about the duos or take freezer burn

[craggy totem]

Bro Burning Desire is so nice with Pyro Tech though

[bitter stirrup]

I feel like Burning Desire isn't that useful if you're applying a lot of Scorch anyway right?

[broken creek]

its alright, ig im too circe pilled where the casts can keep up with pyro tech fine

[craggy totem]

It depends on your Scorch output, yeah

[broken creek]

but on smth like knives or coat i can see it yeah since theyll fall behind if pyro tech is too much

but then id have to use aphro 🥀

[craggy totem]

I'm not worried about coat if it's on the attack, but if it's on the special it's a bit dicier

It's kinda wild how much the cast alone can do though

[broken creek]

yeah a jpom common cast already does >100/s

[frank karma]

Global damage stuff applies to scorch now right?

[broken creek]

iirc yeah??

[frank karma]

Like Shattitude and Furies & stuff

[craggy totem]

Yes

[broken creek]

so its easy for scorch to get up to like 300+/s with the proper setup

[craggy totem]

The things that don't apply to Scorch are crits, minicrits, and Air Quality. Everything else should hit.

[frank karma]

Nice. Iirc lots of global stuff didn't used to apply to scorch in EA

That's a huge increase in goodness

[frank karma]

When you say minicrits are you referring to grievous blow and mutual destruction double damage?

[craggy totem]

Yop

[frank karma]

Scorch is just really really good now in general it seems

[bitter stirrup]

I was thinking of doing Mel Skull for my next 40-45f runs, but I think I'm too Mel Staff-pilled cause I see Mel Skull gets 76 power on the 4th shot and it's like "but Mel Staff does 80 power on every special"

Is it just another case of "just get the hammer"?

[jolly hound]

when isn’t that the case lol

Looming ignition isn’t necessarily the best but it’s so fun yeeting giant skulls. Obvi p array is best in class but you got this either way

[frank karma]

which god would people generally say is the weakest? and why?

[crude dragon]

Demeter, she has really low potencies without any secondary gimmicks (the Cast is good, but her Attack and Special are awful), and her support boons that aren't Snow Queen are mediocre to bad

[merry whale]

damn demeter getting the smoke when ares is there

[crude dragon]

Ares at least has some potential power with his T2s, Duos, and Legendary, none of Demeter's kit scales up

Ares would be the other contender for "worst god in the game," though

[red fox]

Snow queen, arctic ring, arctic gale, frigid rush, all are great thing on demeter

Demeter being worst is definitely a take

[crude dragon]

Issue is, those are also her only good Boons (and Local Climate if you're on Charon)

Them and Cheirloom, but that doesn't actually boost what she does and is just good utility

[red fox]

And damn good utilities

Ares is basically nothing but mini crit, and aphro is also bunch of nothing

And if a god is bad because there is like 4 good boon on it, then heph is also a contender

[crude dragon]

Be honest here, when was the last time you took a Freeze core that wasn't her Cast

[red fox]

A lot of time

Because fw say so

They aren't great but serviceable

And freeze is still freeze

[crude dragon]

Now that is a smoldering hot take, because IMO, his only bad boon is Anvil Ring

[red fox]

Blast boon is pretty bad unless huge investment

Especially rush

[crude dragon]

Everything else is, at minimum, building off of itself. Scaling up.

[red fox]

Attack is the decent one

[crude dragon]

Something that Demeter's kit just does not do

[red fox]

Rush is pure garbage

Demeter don't need investment

Her boon just does her job

Blast is worthless without investment

[crude dragon]

The humble Jeweled Pom:

[red fox]

Even jpom not enough hitting 2s unless you roll high rarity

[crude dragon]

4-second blasts are still quite strong

[red fox]

And you still need to pick more pom, unlike other boon you just ignore pom or turn them into money

[crude dragon]

You don't need to hit minimum cooldown for blasts to pop off, you just need to have full uptime on Glow

[red fox]

And that another boon to take

[crude dragon]

Do I need to repeat myself

[red fox]

While demeter let you access you origination much easier

[crude dragon]

You're arguing Demeter is strong because she has good boons for high Fear, I'm saying she sucks because her kit manages to feel less coherent than Ares

She does not build up at all, she does not feel like there's any progression as you work towards her Legendary or her Duos, everything's just spread out and blah

Her Infusion is also garbage but that's a separate topic

[red fox]

While ares good boon require taking his bad boon, legendary is basically required to make one of his thing feel good

[crude dragon]

There's no design fantasy

[red fox]

There is nothing but forced synergy

And some of them don't even fit together

Attack speed but wound cooldown based

Blade, blood, wound all work differently

The number basically saved by jpom because bad base number but good pom scaling

On blade only too

[crude dragon]

Ares's fantasy isn't great, but it at least exists, you can't have runs centered around Freeze like you can the Wounds synergies or the blade drops

[red fox]

It is a fantasy because unless high roll it only work in your dream

Demeter just work

[crude dragon]

And that's all she does, is "work." Nothing impressive, nothing run-defining, no big synergies. Just function. Which is what I consider "bad." There is nothing there

[red fox]

And a god just work instead of having a dream to work is not weakest

[crude dragon]

So you're completely ignoring my reasoning. Cool. Not gonna bother arguing further.

[still mantle]

Demeter is the weakest god. I will say no more on this topic.

[red fox]

Ignoring your point because your point is about the dream and fantasy instead of the actual strength, sure

[shut needle]

What about dems legendary? I kind like keeping enemies permanently slow

[elfin heron]

idk about that, freeze makes Mount Olympus/Summit so much easier, you just CC the whole room, so no worries about getitng shot/bombed

[red fox]

You never see them

[shut needle]

Oh and getting the godsend phase shift 👨‍🍳 💋

[worn barn]

A good flash fry combo on fishes in Oceanus is one of this game's most satisfying experiences

watching an entire spawn of enemies disappear in mini fire explosions is so gratifying

[frank karma]

do the boons you already have get affected by ||jpom|| if you pick it up in a later reigion or no?

[craggy totem]

No, it is not retroactive.

[frank karma]

ah man

[craggy totem]

That is why people take it first.

[frank karma]

wild bc id generally kinda wanna take the ||zag keepsake || first but yeah I guess it makes sense

depends on if you need rairty or levels I guess

tough descision which to take first

[merry whale]

jpom lasts for the whole run even when u swap keepsakes

[red fox]

You can luck into better rarity, you can't luck into higher level

[merry whale]

the humble persephone aspect

[red fox]

......most of the time

[frank karma]

pretty sure you can keep the ||zag rarifys|| too even when you swap

so they both do that

[merry whale]

ya but it's generally better to just have lv4 on everything anyway

then u don't have to worry about zag charges until later

[frank karma]

yeah but like what are you gonna really want the extra ||zag raitys|| for if not boons youd already want to have by the end of the first reigion?

i suppose it makes a little more sense to do that after but yeah its a tough descision

[red fox]

Because rarity isn't a game breaking improvement on most boon

It is like only heph blast boon really care about it

And level 4 common boon are pretty close with level 1 epic/heroic

[merry whale]

it's not really tough when u consider that sure u could rarify key boons or just have a passive lv4 that basically nets the same if not more value

as always ur the one in control of ur game so if u want to zag start then u can do that

it's simply just better to start jpom unless ur like doing some cursed strat of wanting to get a heroic hermes boon asap

[frank karma]

yeah u right. I think i might be biased bc I like Zag as a character

unrelated but the staff is just such a good ass weapon.
every single aspect is great. even momus which is clearly the weakest aspect still performs very very well

[merry whale]

ye staff is prob the wep the game is most balanced around

i really like momus for surface runs in particular

[frank karma]

all the weapons are pretty well balanced Imo (with one notable exeption) but generally theyre all pretty dang good

[jolly hound]

so if heph is in your god pool. leave attack/special open for the first region, take calling card. Get heroic attack/special from heph at level 4 heroic it is as fast as possible before factoring in poseidons duo or whatever. Profit

[frank karma]

real

the new post story stuff is really cool. it shakes stuff up a lot

[quick crescent]

i had a 1 second attack blast a couple runs ago

[frank karma]

makes me thinks abt changing stuff i never thought about changing before

[frank karma]

poseidon heph duo

[quick crescent]

whats that do

[frank karma]

the thing says 1 sec but its more like 1.6

[frank karma]

reduces colldowns on applicable boons

[frank karma]

its what you wouldve had to have gotten to get the recharge so low

[quick crescent]

oh no it was just a standard heph boon just got it heroic and dumped poms nto it

[frank karma]

2 is the minimum recharge time

it doesnt go lower than that without the duo

[quick crescent]

maybe it was 2 then

[frank karma]

either way when a heph run gets going its fun as heck

and strong too

I love heph hes so good

[old veldt]

Does primed magick counts towards total?

For the boons like the one that increases HP by mana

Or magick mb

[slim pike]

Yes,

the only thing it counts against that is for the huntress, where "max" mana means "is your mana as full as it can be"

[short raft]

Question: Is it normal to have 2 Eos clouds alive at the same time?
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[tranquil wren]

every omega attack spawns in a daybreaker, so yeah it's normal

[merry whale]

what no

[tranquil wren]

it doesn't?

[merry whale]

the prev daybreaker should get overridden ye

[tranquil wren]

what
have I just been not paying attention to eos

[merry whale]

it's just a visual bug if both happen to persist at the same time

probably lmao

[proper seal]

no it looks like a visual bug

Eos only spawns 1 daybreaker at a time

[jolly hound]

perhaps it’s Apollo legendary?

[proper seal]

im not sure if the omega attack applies with the daybreaker

but could be

[merry whale]

nah

exceptional talent only increases daybreaker tick rate

[slim depot]

Selene provided me with an incantation to do something with my animal familiars (change them, maybe?) But I have no idea what was meant by it or what to do with it. I'm an end-game player closing out the fated list. I've seen videos of Haelin using a red dog so I think that's related?

[bitter stirrup]

Yeah once you get your familiars to level 10 you can change their appearance

[elfin heron]

wow, it took you a while to unlock familiar skins

the requirements are 30 grasp, one level 10 familiar, then talk to Circe

[slim depot]

Ahhhh, yeah, there it is. I only have Gale leveled up and now see that RT changed from 'Treat' to 'Change'. TY!

[jolly hound]

kinda scuffed I can’t give raki another cookie homie deserves it

[lament root]

Is there some way to make it more likely to encounter heracles? ||I'm trying to find the fates and the RNG of even meeting him is annoying||

[cursive nacelle]

other than just doing surface runs, dont think so. He can spawn in any of the first 3 regions.

[lament root]

???

[tranquil wren]

iirc he'll only speak to you in ephyra (regarding the fates)

[lament root]

I've done 82 runs and i've only ever met him in ephyra

[tranquil wren]

[lament root]

Do I need to max him out with nectar to find the fates?

[cursive nacelle]

perhaps you need more bond with him. He is able to spawn in the other regions though, have you done rivals?

[tranquil wren]

oh I misread that
yeah he'll show up in thessaly and olympus over time

[cursive nacelle]

its max or close to max IIRC

[tranquil wren]

you don't need his bond but it's helpful to give him as much nectar as possible

[lament root]

I've done rivals

My bond with him is only at three 😔

I feel he shows up so rarely 😢

[cursive nacelle]

unlucky, theres unfortunately quite a bit of rng with npc spawns

[tranquil wren]

I've checked and it seems you only need to have gifted him three times

[lament root]

Nice! 👍

Do I need to do rivals more than once? I have done it more than once but do I need to keep doing it?

[tranquil wren]

the other prerequisite as far as I can tell is getting Moros to talk to you about the ||reformed Chronos||

and that happens after talking to ||Chronos at the end of an UW run and a surface run, after the main ending||

which I'm assuming you've done already

[lament root]

yep 👍

As far as I can tell everything except heracles and prometheus is in order 👍

[quartz temple]

i desperately need the official hades 2 soundtrack to add isolated vocals for each Scylla song 🥹🥹🥹

i’m like obsessed with the music i can’t 😭

[frank karma]

question: ||does the selene keepsake make jpom not work or can you take that one and still get the benefits?||

[cursive nacelle]

not an olympian keepsake so youre fine

[frank karma]

my current hades 2 experince:

run 1: man the coat is so ass
run 2: the coat is so good
run 3: wow this weapon sucks
run 4: okay nevermind the coat is the best thing since bread

[tiny swallow]

One of my friends just started Hades II and watching him guess (just off Odysseus being there) the second boss and having to play dumb is fun lmao

[frank karma]

man fug. ||zagrues is really tough||

[sturdy magnet]

How do I find the same sound effect for Aetos

[proper seal]

|| He really is, you just gotta watch for his stab and spin attacks ||

[frank karma]

okay i was doing a jpom morrigan run

got offered kings ransom twice. didnt take it both times because i was getting hera stuff that was actually useful and her atk was giving me origination

finally got offered kings ransom a THIRD TIME and took it

anyway i have a 90% double strike and a 500 damage blitz

[jade niche]

I wish the game let you continue an underworld run onto the surface with your build. as like a victory lap.

[proper seal]

I have a feeling theres probably a mod for that

[frank karma]

that run was wild. i was getting like 2k blitz procs

blood triad was secondary damage at that point lol

[winter cloak]

🌒 🌕 🌘

[weak thunder]

why is hermes legendary boon so good

[slim pike]

It is until it isn't. Depends when you roll it

[weak thunder]

i beat chronos without using any death defiences

[proper seal]

I would say this is a very good endgame boon to have

otherwise it doesnt work well early in the run

[weak thunder]

yep

[wise wave]

But u have no curse for org

[frank karma]

True

I got her back afterwards tho so it worked out

I think I might have also had Arctic gale

But a lv 33 blitz is a lv 33 blitz. Origination or no. That's strong

[crude dragon]

Depends on when you get it, it's damn near crippling early on

[weak thunder]

i got it right before chronos

[frank karma]

That's the best possible place to get it

[weak thunder]

i know

i also had like 3 duos

[frank karma]

Nearly any time before the final guardian the boon is an active detriment to your run

[merry whale]

just don't get hit

[wise wave]

Im rich and i wanna pay to win

[torn wind]

Just be better

Like idk why people say all this stuff about “but what about if I get hit” as if it would matter. Just get better and then nothing is an issue

Take Paid Dues just for the flex and then never get hit

[frank karma]

whats some good stuff to put on the medea special that isnt Blitz?

Heph maybe

ill try heph

[jolly hound]

If the rarity/level makes sense yeah heph is solid; aphro is better than you’d think also

[torn wind]

Ugh I keep throwing such good runs. Had freezer burn in ephyra and got cocky on rivals Eris. I forget just how frustrating it is that every time she flies away it clears all her curses

[frank karma]

well Jpom decided im taking Ares special so well se how that goes

doing fates whim runs is so fun but also so weird

or i should say different

[cunning laurel]

ares special not bad

[jolly hound]

Best case, you get Apollo attack and light smite and Zeus whatever and get henious affront up and running

[viral moat]

so uh...I just got to Typhon...Chronos isn't the real final boss is he...

[torn wind]

Chronos ||is still the ultimate goal, Typhon is just a tool of his to assault Olympus to try and keep the gods at bay||

[viral moat]

I meant gameplay wise

gotten to the point where I can consistently beat Chronos...Typhon on the other hand...

will be hard enough just getting to him, miracle I got him on on my first visit to his region

[torn wind]

Typhon is kinda a pushover once you learn his patterns but the surface is intentionally designed to be harder than the underworld

[viral moat]

yeah I have heard that...

2 forced mid level boss fights befor even facing him lmao

[torn wind]

Typhon's minibosses are pretty simple once you learn them but they're generally tougher than Chronos' mini bosses since they're not able to be morphed and such and do take a bit longer

But the game is specifically designed around the surface being harder, such as the fear requirements for game completion are 3/4 of what the underworld requires

[craggy totem]

And also you don't have to fight minibosses in Tartarus

If you are fighting a miniboss in Tartarus, that is 100% on you

[torn wind]

Yeah that too

But really the final boss of the game is rivals chronos

I'd say base typhon is a bit harder than base chronos (if you don't know how to avoid him yet)

But rivals chronos is harder

There's a lot of easy ways to kite or avoid typhon since some attacks are very slow and can be easily avoided by just standing in a different spot

But the "final boss" of the game definitely isn't typhon

[viral moat]

fear requirements?

[torn wind]

You haven't unlocked the testament of night yet

If you played the first game it works the same as heat in that game

Where you apply extra challenges to up the difficulty and get rewards for doing so

[viral moat]

yeah I have yet to face one, I always just barely beat Chornos, if i can consistently beat him with some death defiles I will try them out

[viral moat]

I tried that but the game didn't give me anything 😭

[torn wind]

You didn't see the bounty system then

It tells you what boss you need to kill with what weapon

The testament will mark a boss for you to kill and you just have to beat that boss at the required fear level to get rewards

[viral moat]

ohhhh

I just use the axe

[viral moat]

oh so I don't have to do a full run?

[torn wind]

So then you have to fight what boss it tells you to fight with the axe

[torn wind]

I don't see why you wouldn't bother to finish a run though

[craggy totem]

If you undo night then obviously you don't get credit

[viral moat]

I mean I am so used to the axe I will struggle to use something else

[viral moat]

was more so thinking I would just die to the Sirins

[torn wind]

It's like some people just don't want to beat the game

Seen a lot of people just refuse to progress until they've leveled up whatever their favorite weapon is

[viral moat]

wait so the only way to beat the game is to do a bunch of fear stuff?

[torn wind]

No

Fear is not even required to reach credits

It literally just exists if you want to upgrade weapons other than Mel's base aspects

[viral moat]

so what I just defeat Chornos and Typhon a couple times?

[torn wind]

Just keep playing the game. I mean you've already ||met zag at the mirror multiple times||

Just keep doing that

[viral moat]

oh you rememeber me lmao

yeah I have beaten Chornos 4 times now

because I am simply too good

just now got to Typhon tho

wonder how well the game will react to that weird mirroring lmao

||I assume Typhon's special material will be what I need to stop Chornos coming back||

just need to get like 4 or something

[cunning laurel]

something like that

[torn wind]

Walkthroughs and guides ruined gaming

Ugh Circe... you always remove the most pointless vows

I'm on a pretty fast run and she removes freaking vow of time

The one that never gives me issues

[craggy totem]

Could be worse, she could remove Frenzy while you're trying to go for a speedfear :D

[torn wind]

I mean I'd accept any vow being removed besides freaking time

[craggy totem]

(the joke is that removing Frenzy makes the run slower, which is actively detrimental to speedruns)

But yes, Circe, pls, ur targeting

Actually, could be even worse -- you could be doing the super high Fears and she removes Void :D

((the joke is that removing Void doesn't do anything, it doesn't give back any grasp or whatever))

[torn wind]

My god I am on the most pathetic losing streak right now I'm dying to the dumbest stuff

Just got 3 of those annoying ass burrowing enemies in olympus and ate a stupid amount of damage then died to a sapper

[bitter stirrup]

Stalkers are funny cause you can be like "ok I see him burrowing so I'm gonna stop and dash out" and you still get hit lol

[torn wind]

I know they’re so frustrating and then you get hit by their ranged attack from across the screen cause you couldn’t see it through the horde of enemies

[final saddle]

Nem just scared off Echo the one run I needed her to save me I swear I’m gonna kill her for this

[tiny swallow]

Just managed to beat the final boss of the surface, on my first run getting to them, while only using one death defiance on them

Can't wait for my next runs for the mid-bosses to get back to murdering me in cold blood repeatedly

[elfin heron]

if you're decently good, consider playing with the Strength arcana instead of Death, you get +20% damage and +40% damage reduction, it almost doubles your HP and healing effects, but you can't revive at all
personally, revives make me feel bad, so I only ever played with Strength

[tiny swallow]

I wish I was good enough to run Strength lmao

[elfin heron]

I rolled the credits at 50 runs, strength only, the only downside of Strength is you can't tank insta-kills, so I had a few unfortunate deaths on Chronos and Prometheus

which can be frustrating for sure, but IMO Strength is still so much better

[broken creek]

theres a funny bell curve where strength is free asf early since the 40% dr is insane, then you start climbing fear and it sucks, then you get good at high fear and it still sucks but its funny

[tiny swallow]

Frankly I'm just glad I have access to Ares now, he was always my pick in the first game if I could help it, him and Artemis

[elfin heron]

Ares is good on the axe special, big damage once in a while, it's kind of like a Heph blast, but with a shorter cooldown

[craggy totem]

You really do not need to be good to run Strength

Strength has built-in damage reduction of 40% at max, that's huge

[tiny swallow]

Well...35% because I am not beating Prometheus 2 more times, but fine I may as well since I'm trying new stuff to beat Chronos

[elfin heron]

yeah, for reference God Mode (the easy mode in the accessebility settings) is 20% dr (and then 2% more for each death)

[tiny swallow]

Oh I've been using that because I am not good at not getting hit lmao, caps at 80%

[final saddle]

Just do it they are about comparable in power

[tiny swallow]

Something I will say is that it just melted through the lamia queen

Though I'm also attributing that to Ares/Hephaestus synergy

[torn wind]

The thing about DD is that 1:1 with strength it’s not really as much value since it makes you take more damage and healing is worth less, but DD allows you to claw back a win from a bad start

Playing strength forces you to avoid early mistakes since you’re far less likely to get something to save your run

Since DD you can just buy more if you’ve got enough gold or you can get a full refill from Athena or Echo

DD has the potential to crutch a nearly failed run, something Strength can’t do. So while on paper they’re about the same power, if not slightly in favor of strength, DD wins on cheese power if you manage to get refills

Which is why I run strength

If it wasn’t possible to get refills then strength would honestly just be better

[broken glen]

strength is better until max scars comes into play

[torn wind]

Yeah there’s no competition on high fear

DD is just simply better when healing isn’t a factor

[plain bronze]

Is "Great Chaos Above" rigged to always roll Vow of Time? I've had it at either level 2 or 3 for 10 runs in a row now

[proper seal]

I dont think so, whenever you start a new run, you get || different vows || because the run begins with || 20 fear||

[plain bronze]

That's what it says, but the rolls seem mighty suspicious.

It feels weighted towards time and scars at least. I've had them both for all 10 runs so far.

also had frenzy, debt, and return for maybe 7 or 8 of the runs each.

[proper seal]

could just be RNG in general

[plain bronze]

It could, but that's growing statistically unlikely it seems

[frank karma]

Do you lose ||Jpom levels|| if you take a god keepsake afterwards?

[plain bronze]

Nope

I tested it a couple days ago, you keep the ones you got with it

[frank karma]

That's actually pretty good

[plain bronze]

Yeah I've been using it on most of my runs

[frank karma]

Although I suppose you'd rather go with the ||calling card|| if you've already started your build with ||Jpom||

[plain bronze]

You do lose the ||Hades|| boon bonus though if you switch to a god keepsake

[jolly hound]

Ugh three losses in a row it’s not my night

[broken creek]

yeah

[broken creek]

not really actually

calling card has very minimal value since most common boons at +4 are basically epic lvl1

and its also competing with chrolex in the r2 take in which chrolex is infinitely more useful

so calling card becomes a niche r3 take

its also at a weird spot because the main gods that love rarity are like hermes and heph mostly, in which chances are youll get what you want from hermes out of r1 or what you get in r2/3 wont be insane unless its nitro boost atp

[bitter stirrup]

Yeah once you get to where you have Debt 2 and Time 3, on FW you probably want Chrolex or Fig if you think timer will be a problem

[broken creek]

yeahhh, when you weigh calling card against fig and chrolex its like do you want one heroic boon or do you want easier timer/buy smth every shop and then some

[plain bronze]

Finally cleared Great Chaos Above, with Aspect of Supay of all things

It does such piss damage, I had to use the Hera sprint boon to tag all of the enemies and damage them all at once in order to beat the timer

And I think I did more damage with Lunar Ray than my actual character in boss battles

I was just spamming abilities to spend mana and re-fire it as fast as possible

Yup,
Lunar Ray: 127,850
Blitz: 78,698
Ω Special: 67,313
Attack: 59,565
Casts: 43,543

[craggy totem]

Lmao

[crude dragon]

Depends on if you still have some key Boons that you want at Heroic, because ||Chrolex|| will more or less set you up on money for the rest of the run

[jolly hound]

If and only if I have heph in god pool and an open attack/special slot, calling card zone two

I took a common heph rush cause whatever and it did 56k damage not bad

[rough lintel]

higuruma vs saul goodman who would win

[bitter stirrup]

Wrong discord (?)

But Higgy is my GOAT

And I didn't watch BCS only BB so yeah

[wise wave]

Is Lunar. ray the best output damage hex?

[elfin heron]

it's trash, it roots you in place for several seconds, you will almost always take damage

go for total eclipse if you need damage, or better yet night bloom, the minions are surprisingly strong

[cursive nacelle]

Lunar ray gets good with investment at base its pretty ehhhh

[broken creek]

which is the case for like 99% of hexes

unless its twilight curse or wolf howl they all need some hefty investment to really make an impact which means you have to go out of your way to get path of stars instead of anything else

[elfin heron]

you can easily get 1-2 path of star shipments from Hermes shops

just make sure to get your hex while in Ephyra

[cunning laurel]

that's already a major reward and money

[elfin heron]

and for the underworld runs, there are often free path of star spawns in the fields

[jovial shale]

Hera sprint on Supay is amazing

[royal cradle]

Yeah so either you get a great sprint boon on Supay quickly in early game or the whole aspect is garbage. That confirms my suspicions...

[bitter stirrup]

Or you get Romantic Spark and don't even need a rush boon

[royal cradle]

Either way, you need great luck for this aspect to not be trash

[bitter stirrup]

Good players seem to do well with it with Scorch and Blitz

[royal cradle]

Scorch is good on everything...

[elfin heron]

yeah, didn't like supay either, moros is much easier to play and way more damage

[old veldt]

I also didn't like supay but I haven't really given it a fair attempt id say

Blitz on attack is basically necessary

[elfin heron]

I guess the point of supay is you have more mobility, could be useful on high fear runs, MAYBE

[old veldt]

As far as I've been told

[royal cradle]

You need high damage output on high fear runs to keep up with the timer. Supay has absurdly low DPS.

[short raft]

Wait, IF Eros cloud drops Cut Above per hit, does that mean than Shiva's Aweking Rokects ALSO triggers cut above per hit?

[elfin heron]

yeah but you'll be able to dodge better, in theory

[bitter stirrup]

And in fact you'll HAVE to dodge better because Supay has no hitstun

[elfin heron]

so far, from what I've unlocked, my personal rankings
staff: momus > melinoe > circe > anubis
torches: moros > melinoe = eos > supay
blades: melinoe > pan > artemis
axe: thanatos > charon > melinoe > nergal
skulls: melinoe > medea
coat: all bad

coat is basically the shield from the first game, except they replaced the Captain America throw with bad seeking missiles and the block is much worse

[old veldt]

I disagree pretty heavily with you but I mean there aren't really right answers

Until u get to 62+ fear where some aspects are just better

[short raft]

Isnt Artemist a super nuke? what

[royal cradle]

Same. I completely disagree on that ranking but I guess personal preference plays a lot. DPS is not everything.

[old veldt]

No

She has a 50% chance to crit her next 9 attacks or smth

After parry

[elfin heron]

the cooldown is too long, you can just spec melinoe into backstabs (back burner from Apollo) and deal more damage more consistently without having to fish for a parry

[old veldt]

You should try daggers hidden it's pretty fun and good

[dull tendon]

Is Morrigan so bad you just ignored it or

[old veldt]

They probably haven't gotten it yet

[elfin heron]

haven't unlocked that yet, the only hiddens I have are anubis, nergal and supay

[dull tendon]

Fair

[elfin heron]

about to get the skulls one

[short raft]

Some hammers allow you to use the per Hit buff multiple times without wasting the buff stacks. also Apollos extra dosage does not consume the stacks.

[elfin heron]

honestly though, damage wise if you just want to melt things, moros is the easiest to build/play, but it's kinda boring you just stand back and nuke away
if you want to feel like you're playing an action game, thanatos is more fun IMO, really like this aspect, though it doesn't excel at anything, it's just a good all-rounder

it's really good with nova strike though, great range

[old veldt]

I play charon for the big explosion

Satisfying

[final fog]

You need to give nergal more run, it's actually awesome, way better than mel aspect and more flexible than charon. Thanatos is great, no argument, but Nergal is also. Attack/spin attack/attack/spin attack is an easy fun loop with it, and the tankiness it grants means it works with everything.

[weak thunder]

i have 2 choices for a hesita boon that are duos

[bitter stirrup]

Downloaded a save file for modding purposes and forgot that it would autocomplete my last 4 steam achievements LOL

[slim depot]

Friends, any pointers on unlocking the hidden aspect for the sister blades? I am working on getting the last 3 hidden aspects for my Nocturnal Arms. Yes, one of the blades is Rank V, yes, I had used all 3 other blades in a run (intentionally died). I ran in to Artemis twice on topside runs and I just cannot seem to get this incantation.

Anything else I could be missing or is this just bad RNG?

[merry whale]

prob just bad rng

iirc it changed to where mel aspect needs to be the rank 5?

[slim depot]

Well, good news here is I do have that at Rank V. It was the first weapon I cleared with 🙂

[craggy totem]

No

It's specifically the opposite of that

It's one of the non-Mel aspects that needs it

[merry whale]

ah

me when i spread misinformation

[slim depot]

@$% for real?

[merry whale]

so ye gotta max either artemis or pan

[slim depot]

Argh, ok. Thx. I presume this will be true for all aspects then? R5 for a non-mel nocturnal arm?

[craggy totem]

And all non-hidden aspects unlocked, yes

I don't believe you need to have used them in a run as long as they're all unlocked and one (non-Mel) is maxed

[slim depot]

Damn, boy do I wish I asked this before wasting a lot of time last night haha

Thanks, all. Really appreciate the guidance

[craggy totem]

if I were Lord Queen Emprex of the Galaxy, I would propose that the unlock condition should have been "win one run with each non-hidden aspect", but I am not, so I have not

(I also, tbf, can't tell if that would be more difficult or less difficult)

[slim depot]

This is the way

[merry whale]

i mean it makes sense the way it is rn cuz then u run the risk of having to worry about upgrading more at once

[elfin heron]

okay, I just tried Nergal some more in its chaos trial, and maybe I'm playing it wrong but it's a pure facetank weapon, no mobility and no range, what can you even do with it? maybe some specific hammers make it shine?

[jolly hound]

Psychic whirlwind and iron core

I find Demeter plentiful forage very helpful in getting it off the ground

Faster omega charge from Hermes is huge too

[elfin heron]

but like... what is even the point, why not just play another axe

[jolly hound]

bonk

and with iron core (doubles healing from the aspect) you can facetank way more effectively

but yeah, I’m not gonna try to tell you it’s better than Charon or Thanatos

There’s enough fake news on the internet without me

[elfin heron]

go load up the mel axe chaos trial, the one with the lion fang, that's a mega bonk build, WAY better than Nergal

[elfin heron]

I don't think you need to have used all 3 to unlock the hidden aspect, e.g. I've never used aspect of Circe in a run, but Circe still gave me Anubis because I maxed out Momus

it was probably an older requirement, and they got rid of it in 1.0

basically just max out any nightmare aspect, then talk to the person one of the aspects is named after, that's it

[jolly hound]

Also worth noting that nergal before level 5 is pretty ass

Once you’ve got it fully upgraded it really takes off

[elfin heron]

the only difference is amount of hits until berserk

[jolly hound]

Correct. 9 hits (you should get that with an o attack) then fast bonks

21 hits at base is a much tougher thing to do

you also really want Apollo attack on it

The added range is clutch

Apollo loves axe

[elfin heron]

I don't like facetanking, I'll just play Thanatos

I'm already pretty decent at the game, ended up completely no-hitting Typhon last run, with sister blades no less
facetanking just feels bad

[jolly hound]

do what makes your heart sing

[elfin heron]

woah, Odysseus comments on you buying a siren track and playing it at the hub, that's some pretty sick attention to detail

[jolly hound]

he’s the og siren fanboy

[elfin heron]

Odysseus' crew had already blocked their ears to protect themselves from the Sirens' singing, but Odysseus, wanting to hear the Sirens, had ordered his crew to tie him to the mast so that he may have the pleasure of listening without risking himself or his ship.

lol, I forgot about this bit

[jolly hound]

ngl I’m judging the upcoming odyssey movie entirely on how much of a banger their siren song is

Oh neat Spider-Man is gonna be his kid in that movie

[slim depot]

I’ll give this a shot in an hour or so

[slim depot]

Ok, so I just opened the hidden aspect for the Sister Blades. Can confirm you need one NON-MELINOE aspect at Rank V. She showed up and get me the incantation on my first run today. WHEW!

Thanks for the guidance, all. 2 more to go.

I just indvertently opened the other ones normally going through the game

[slim pike]

Have fun playing aspect of buzzsaw

[hazy smelt]

when finding the fates, will an asphodel room still count as an use of the doom pin?

[proper seal]

I havent tried that but I would assume It would not count

because its not common to be taken to Asphodel

[hazy smelt]

i tried it and it did in fact not count

it was totally purposeful research we can say

[proper seal]

indeed

[short raft]

Premium services on Daggers Meli is just 100% critical hit chance LMAO

[jolly hound]

i got it on than axe it went hard

[torn wind]

How much does it increase the backstab by?

[short raft]

to 200% damage, with a blue Apro boon thats already critical hit values.

[torn wind]

Good lord I thought it would just be like 25% not DOUBLE the level 5 bonus

[short raft]

yeah its pretty hillarious with Raki on top, and extra dose is absurb on top of that.

[short raft]

literally this run rn lol
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/616845281140408355/1477446284628463716/image.png?ex=69a4ca93&is=69a37913&hm=92084760287890e8d7ec573bd5ec4fd215afb74561bb6286ef22f9892843fcef&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1134&height=576

[torn wind]

Now if only you got the 300% Oattack buff hammer

[short raft]

Got the 150% one backstab hammer instead

[torn wind]

That’s a good second place

[short raft]

Btw did you knew you can backstab typhon

[torn wind]

With something other than the special?

Is it something like facing away from Typhon while attacking?

[short raft]

yes, all, you have to do is face him backwards and attack.

[torn wind]

Since you can hit his horn from behind I’m assuming?

[short raft]

his jaw, actually

[torn wind]

I know backstab is based off the direction of the attack when it hits rather than Mel’s actual position in relation to the enemy so yea that makes sense

[short raft]

Now the real juice is Ares Attack with OAttack hammer.

[torn wind]

Meat

[short raft]

That stuff is legit, i promise.
50 Power x 300% is just insanity.

[torn wind]

Yeah wounds doesn’t sound good when you first read it because you think “oh it’s just 50 damage” nah it’s 50 POWER

So it stacks with everything else

[short raft]

Yeah its bad if you want raw dps, but if you want BURST

I wish one of his boons reduces is wounds cold down.

[grim nexus]

Ok so I'm making my way through the game and isn't aspect of Medea unreasonably good?

Am I missing something here?

[short raft]

thats cuz it just is, i personally find it meh, it doesnt click with me.

[grim nexus]

You get to turn your damage into AOE while making it higher and giving yourself more time to apply curses with the special for privilliged status (however it's called in this game)

It seems kinda crazy

Like just slap on it any big %damage and wow everything is dead

Maybe aphro since you're already in the enemies face

[short raft]

How does it work with Ares? do all skulls at once trigger the power full force or

[grim nexus]

I'd assume it doesn't and just slap ares on the special

[torn wind]

Does seismic servo not affect it since it has a cooldown?

[short raft]

no as far as anyone is aware, cuz no one has even bother to test it, i think

[torn wind]

I mean I'm sure somebody with a modded game could figure it out quickly enough

[crude dragon]

It's a contender for the strongest weapon in the game, yes

[crude dragon]

No, it'd only apply Wounds on the first hit

Loading multiple skulls makes them blow up one after another

[crude dragon]

It doesn't, since the cooldown is linked to the status effect and not a global cooldown

(This is also why Heinous is so absurd for room clear, it triggers per application of Wounds, with the cooldown being per enemy and not a global one)

[torn wind]

I absolutely hate getting the Hippos in the rivals eris fight since they just run off to the corners of the screen and chuck seeking projectiles at me

And if I go deal with them I'm bound to get shot by Eris

[still mantle]

What build do I do

[broken creek]

Oattack hel

[crude dragon]

Winner's Circle Circe

[still mantle]

You're telling me fully upgrading every aspect does NOTHING

All I get is skell- commander schelemeus saying "you're all set"?

[still mantle]

Ok

[still mantle]

I might have to seed reset....

[still mantle]

I have been scammed by two consecutive seeds

[raw kraken]

Do Hera attack Zeus special

and possessed array obviously

[pallid barn]

question: How do I get the bond forged with Icarus? I've just went to the hot spring with him for the second time

[frank karma]

what are some good specials for trick knives?

[red fox]

Zeus pos hera are good

[proper seal]

you gotta keep gifting him

[red fox]

With reaper knife aphro can work

[pallid barn]

i have been locked out of gifts for the time being

is there anything specific i need to do to get him to accept gifts again? or just keep running the surface?

[red fox]

Icarus bond took me longest, i spam surface like 50 runs in a row just to finish it

[pallid barn]

cause tbh, i'm getting a lil sick of kicking typhon's teeth in

might just turn off rivals 4 honestly

[red fox]

(I pull the number out from nowhere not really 50 runs)

[proper seal]

if hes locked probably just means you need to have more conversations with him and keep encountering him on the surface which is RNG

[frank karma]

Ive found Aphro is actually pretty good without reaper knives. with reaper knives she must be amazing

although i mean trick knives in general is just insanity so honestly anything on it is good

[bitter stirrup]

Hestia would be good too but ofc you would need Pyro

[weak thunder]

i jusy beat typhon

[frank karma]

whats good on medea special besides blitz?

i dont imagine percent boons would be very desirable

[crude dragon]

They're alright

[frank karma]

I guess im going hera atk apollo spec

better than dem or pos special anyway

[bitter stirrup]

Ares special is ok for the same reason it's good on the attack

[frank karma]

okay nevermind I got possesed array and born gain the run is free

how good is Aphro on the spec?

[bitter stirrup]

Pretty ok since you're always nearby

[red fox]

Alright and turn nutty with colossal

[bitter stirrup]

Oh yeah I forgot Colossus Driver gives a power bonus

[frank karma]

ill look out for that on my second hammer

i got possesed so the run is pretty good alr tho

[frank karma]

the run wasnt safe

im just too ass at the game The Rivals bosses are really hard to learn without dying a few times

[worn barn]

are there any numbers for what percentage of players play various fear levels?

I’m wondering specifically what percent of players have cleared 32 fear

[bitter stirrup]

Yeah I wonder that too sometimes, surely the devs can track data like that

[torn wind]

Yeah steam achievements sadly doesn’t include the third statue

Just first and second

Even though there’s an achievement for GCB which is harder than 32 fear

But also the game doesn’t have any disclosure or anything and isn’t an online game so data tracking shouldn’t be possible

I mean companies are required or at least obligated to disclose if they’re taking analytics as an opt-in

Does H2 have an analytics agreement?

Cause like no that’s not something devs can track since if the game is not online and doesn’t ask me for data then that should be illegal to collect my data

[hazy smelt]

I BEAT TYPHON VOR 4 FINALLY

[plain bronze]

Grats! What build did you use?

[hazy smelt]

the build wasn't very planned since I unironically didn't think I would get that far, but I ran a fates whim arcana set up, and aspect of circe cast build

survived with 21 hp and no dd left

and you best bet my cheeks were clenched when typhon came back

[plain bronze]

I think I got lucky with GCB. I got it first try without having to do anything too weird. 32 fear took me 2 tries, and GCA took me about 12 tries (it kept rolling completely heinous combos like 0% healing, 5 minute regions with hordes and grit, etc.)

[plain bronze]

Nice, that's an epic ending

I died to that final section where you have to stay in the circle twice before clearing it

[hazy smelt]

typhons second laser sweep is what almost took me out there

im horrible at dashing through it so i run to the top of the arena where it cant hit you, but with the circle thats not exactly a good option

[hexed brook]

are there any major uses for psyche after the prologue? ive got like 3k of the stuff but at the broker it says its still used for smth

ive done all the incantations using psyche listed on the wiki too

[craggy totem]

Might just be cosmetic stuff

[hexed brook]

yea i figured, tho i couldnt find anything in game

might not have it unlocked yet, but it'd be nice to know roughly how much psyche i need to keep since i'd like turn some of it in to kudos

[craggy totem]

Don't worry about it too much imo, it's pretty easy to accumulate in the endgame

[torn wind]

You only need a bit for the stuff that comes after unlocking the full grasp

You need it for brewing extractions for some cosmetics and one of the aspects

[frank karma]

Okay now I just straight up don't know. Is it even possible to send vids here anymore?

Someone help please how do I send videos in here? I wanted to share a cool clip and I just cant or the life of me figure it out

[plain bronze]

I'd just be happy if I could post screen snips

[frank karma]

I treid doing a link thing and it didnt work

which is was USED to work

I think

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1345994301275897918/1350979657633370222/Hades_II_3_16_2025_6_49_31_PM.png?ex=69a4d0da&is=69a37f5a&hm=02bc489379094efc069cd707c7578dcf4f253f8fd585605cdaa15e5253f0014b&

[plain bronze]

Lots of Discord servers just straight up block hyperlinks, screenshots, and videos to prevent spam

[frank karma]

Like that but a thing actually appeared

It used to anyway

But NOW IT DOESNT FOR SOME REASON

[craggy totem]

This channel has not permitted embeds since at least 1.0 launch, possibly earlier

[frank karma]

Man. thats lame as hell

that sucks

[frank karma]

I hadnt played since warsong until recently. I had no idea

[craggy totem]

At least the slowmode is 5s instead of 15s like it was right after launch :)

[plain bronze]

Like, I get it, moderating stuff can be difficult and just blocking the stuff you'd otherwise have to manually attend to makes the job easier, but it really is kinda lame for ordinary rule-following users.

What I've seen work reasonably well on other servers is a "you can't post that stuff until you've been here for x days and posted y times" system. Spammers usually aren't sophisticated enough to let their bots live that long / pretend to be real users with AI or something just to paste a garbage message a month later, but that'll be the next step in the spam/moderator escalation war.

[frank karma]

Anyway i had a really strong build and i killed the typhon eye miniboss in like 6 seconds or something.
that was the video. its not nearly as fun just describing it

[merry whale]

ye it'd also be giga obvious to catch an ai chatbot i think

[plain bronze]

You'd think that, but they can read context now with LLMs and post some small neutral relevant message in response to other users a few times a day in a way that most people wouldn't notice. It happens on reddit millions of times per day.

But yeah, we're veering off topic at this point, back to Hades stuff

[merry whale]

mm fair

[frank karma]

Dang. looking back at an old vid of a run. Artemis Daggers really dont get enough credit

that was an insane amount of damage.

[merry whale]

ye parrying is nutty turns out

too bad the parry mechanic is only on one of the 24 aspects in the game

[frank karma]

In my run i hit a 7290 Oattack with Artemis

[merry whale]

there's like the coat hammer one but obv that one's ass

[plain bronze]

really? I always get too impatient with the daggers to use the primary charge attack, like, ever. I'd rather continue slashing like a maniac and feel like I'm doing steady damage

[plain bronze]

okay wow.

[merry whale]

with sweeping ambush it prob reaches absurd numbers like that ya

(look what blades need to mimic a fraction of trick knives)

[frank karma]

I was there when trick knives first came out

[plain bronze]

I always go with aspect of Pan, then try to get a cast throwing boon. Then I just spam cast, special special

[frank karma]

I though that hammer was ASS. and oh boy was I wrong

The description of trick knives in so innocuous

and then its like the strongest hammer in the game for any weapon or aspect

[plain bronze]

Remind me what trick knives does?

[merry whale]

prob 2nd strongest? cuz possessed array exists

[merry whale]

ye pan ospec gaming is fun

too bad it's like, the way game works is that u have to stand still while firing ur omega special to actually see all ur charges fire

[plain bronze]

Yeah it's a bit annoying that the more knives it throws the longer it takes to charge up

[merry whale]

this results in

• exceptional talent (apollo's omega doubling legendary) does not actually fire unless you stand still for double the time
• premium service (heph's aspect level legendary) requires you to charge for way longer, then stand still for way longer

[plain bronze]

It also looks a bit ridiculous that you're throwing the outermost knives basically sideways to hit a target in front of you, lol

[merry whale]

ye it looks a lil funky

the one saving grace is that hidden knives automatically applies +3 knives at the start of ur ospec charge, so u don't need to worry about charging extra

[bitter stirrup]

dash-strike fires 3 specials

[merry whale]

ye, and because they act like regular specials and return to u, it's effectively six hits worth of your special for each and every dash strike

it's also why high level pan has devolved from playing the aspect (nerfed to the ground) to getting trick knives and ignoring ospec

[plain bronze]

I'm nowhere near pushing the game yet, so I still get to have fun, heh

[merry whale]

lmaoo real

honestly prob woulda been better cuz now i have been feeling ever so slightly burnt out from doing so much high fear stuff to the point where low fear stuff feels mind numbing

prob also doesn't help that there hasn't been a bug fix patch in like eons

[plain bronze]

I'm kinda feeling that right now just wrapping up the last minor prophecies. I've already done all of the statues, testaments, chaos trials, etc. so I have no in-game incentive to do the challenging stuff while I hunt down my last few duo boons, etc.

just 12 fear over and over

[merry whale]

ya honestly it's more of a self fulfillment thing of challenging urself lol

schelemeus does have funny (minor) dialogue as u ramp up fear but other than that nothing really reacts if u go really high fear unfortunately

[plain bronze]

I just remember the line in H1 from Megera when you crank the heat and she's like "what the hell did you do to the pact, we're only in Asphodel and I'm burning alive!" or something like that

[merry whale]

prob woulda been tart but ya i do remember her saying smth like that

[plain bronze]

Yeah that

[merry whale]

tho i think her and hecate only really regard it around like 32 fear/heat or smth

[plain bronze]

32 heat was all I cleared so that's fine with me, lol

32 fear felt a lot easier in this game, so I might try to push it further soon

[merry whale]

ya honestly hades difficulty felt like it was rapidly approaching rng territory so i just noped the hell out once i beat 32 heat lol

this game is way more focused on ur technical skill so it's honestly way easier (maybe more approachable) to climb high fear

[plain bronze]

I feel like I'd still want to stop after cranking all the stuff that makes the enemies harder. Playing build RNG with the other stuff seems pretty frustrating.

[merry whale]

i mean honestly u can mitigate that by playing aspects that just work with anything like aspect of circe

[plain bronze]

And if I'm being honest I kinda like the power fantasy of getting every possible boon and maxing everything out. Nerfing myself with less gold, fewer boons, random selections, etc. takes that away for me

[broken creek]

Tbf build luck only starts mattering at like 62+ and even then some weapons still wont care

And all the enemy mods like pain grit and hoards dont even get touched until 45+ generally

[bitter stirrup]

Also Denial is really nothing compared to Forfeit imo

[merry whale]

tru boon stacking is prob one of the biggest selling points of h1 and h2, it's prob where high fear heavily differentiates from low fear, but even then i find it fun to still boon stack anyway in high fear lol

[bitter stirrup]

And even Forfeit is very manageable on some weapons + JPom + Chrolex

[broken creek]

Yeah forfeit kills a lot of early momentum

The amount of times ive gone hammer start -> selene -> zeus getting onioned pisses me off

[merry whale]

me about to embed a vid of boon stacking before remembering embeds don't work here

[plain bronze]

Speaking of denial, I think I might have bricked my run here... I passed up a generator for every active god and forgot they won't offer them again. Oops.

[broken creek]

What weapon

[merry whale]

anyway high fear is more like getting thru runs with busted builds through few boons as possible

[broken creek]

Mfw zeus+hera and hereditary bane is stronger than 90% of duos

[frank karma]

Does anyone know off the top of their head how much damage it takes to phase skip Typhon? (no EM)
im sure it varies based on fear but like base typhon lets say.

[plain bronze]

Thanatos, but I rolled some crazy good stuff for special (I have a 2.2 second heph special). Just no generator to use it with

[merry whale]

well not really few boons as possible idk how to articulate LOL

iirc typhon normal and rivals have same hp

[broken creek]

You can get away with dash attack -> special -> repeat stuff

Especially since that heph special doesnt do much for Ospec

[plain bronze]

Yeah that's kinda what I'm doing, but I just want to spam the special exclusively now and don't have enough mana 🙁

I'll probably still get by

lmao, I just cleared the entire zone before Athena even showed up. I guess I'm doing fine

[merry whale]

ez game

[frank karma]

Man I miss the days when Pan was an S teir aspect

I loved that dang weapon so much

[merry whale]

real and true

[frank karma]

they nerfed it to hell

look how they massacred my boy

Now i barley play Pan

[merry whale]

when the aspect itself gets nerfed but trick knives is still op, now it's just trick knives the aspect

[frank karma]

its just not good.

dare I say Pan is the worst aspect in the game now

[merry whale]

woah there

never forget aspect of hel

[frank karma]

Nah Hel is actually good. it just has a magic production issue

[plain bronze]

I love Hel mechanically, but the damage just isn't there

[frank karma]

If you get a good magic regen you can do insane stuff with Hel

with pan theres only so much you can do when your main thing just never channels fully

[plain bronze]

Unless I get an insane 3rd/4th region I just feel like the Hel primary is licking stuff with my tongue

[merry whale]

i mean it's not too hard to come by a helpful gain boon for hel

[frank karma]

well Hel basically requires a wave or scroch build

which I would argue Pan does as well

[merry whale]

like hel actually has really good omega special game, it's like the one selling point tho

[frank karma]

and out of the two of them Hel has more viability imo

[merry whale]

most hel builds will want splash or scorch on atk ye

then hitch or blitz on special

[frank karma]

Hitch on special is INSANE for room clearing

[merry whale]

absolutely ye

[frank karma]

Like its really good

and Blitz is Blitz

[plain bronze]

I do love that

[frank karma]

its good pretty much no matter what

[merry whale]

i think it's just the relative inflexibility in hel building compared to other aspects makes it stand out as kinda ass lmao

[frank karma]

Its the win Boon

[plain bronze]

It's just, while you're waiting for the special to come back, you still have to sit there and lick people

[frank karma]

no more so than Pan tho

and I would argue Hel fits that Niche better than pan does now

Like Id MUCH rather do a hel run than a Pan run nowadays

Besides those two which (reasonably) stand out as super inflexable. what other aspects do yall consider bad?

[merry whale]

hmm ig i'm too high fear pilled cuz hel is such a disaster of an aspect to get thru high fear LOL, pan u still have the option of diving into ospec gameplay or just hit trick knives and win

[plain bronze]

My newbie perspective is that Supay is terrible, but I probably just don't know how to build it right. It auto-fires really really slowly and I'd really rather be clicking on stuff myself.

[frank karma]

I'm def a mid fear player who likes to do power builds so my perspective is probably a little bit more geared towards something's POTENTIAL rather than it's flexibility in high gear for example

[merry whale]

supay with not that many boons is ass, once u get some cores on supay it starts to ramp to absurdity

[frank karma]

Supay is good but weird

Put heph on it and then you'll like it

[merry whale]

me when i put poseidon on my rush and now i have a hitstun on a hitstunless aspect

follow for more poseidon tips

[real scarab]

Dem special is pretty good too

[merry whale]

o tru

[plain bronze]

I had to use Supay for my GCA run yesterday and I hated it the whole time. I rolled a time mod and it literally couldn't do damage fast enough on its own. I had to use the hitch effect from Hera dash to tag all the enemies and let the Supay specials/attack damage them all at once. Then for the bosses I leaned entirely into Lunar Ray for actual damage. I was just spamming all my omega attacks as fast as possible to spend mana for Lunar Ray charging because they weren't doing much on their own. 😕

[frank karma]

Lunar ray goes crazy if you build into it

[merry whale]

i find hitch is prob better to have on your special

[plain bronze]

I love that Typhon is a big fat stationary target. The split beam effect goes hard against him

[merry whale]

especially cuz then u can use omega special and u can just hitch enemies from a distance

blitz/blast is then preferred for attacks

splash/scorch/hitch is also nutty for spec, maybe dem too

for rush boon, poseidon is best because of good dmg output and also will be ur one source of hitstun

thunder rush is also solid

[frank karma]

Unrelated but The godsent mechanics feel kinda all over the place imo

Some of them are literal godsends

And some of them are like... Okay

[merry whale]

tru dem godsent kinda ass

[frank karma]

Tbf I don't know what all of them do yet I don't think

But I can't think of many standouts

Ares and Apollo are actually insane godsends

Those two EAT

[merry whale]

one of my favorites for surface runs is night bloom, cuz surface enemies are unfair so turn the unfairness against them

hera making them faster + crit chance gets nutty

[frank karma]

Poseidon's godsent is alright

[plain bronze]

I'm disappointed that night bloom doesn't work against Heracles in the Prom fight (because he doesn't actually die).

[frank karma]

It heals more. Yipee

[plain bronze]

only time I beat Heracles first was to test that

[merry whale]

i also enjoy aphro godsent cuz it's free immunity and free dps esp when u upgrade the duration nodes

[frank karma]

It does work on Roxy and Jerty tho

Jerty lol

[plain bronze]

yeah there's an achivement for it there

so weird to not keep dodging the drum patterns when you do it with Roxy

[frank karma]

I wonder if it works on Charibdis in the rivals fight?

[merry whale]

ye

[plain bronze]

Not sure, but that sounds awesome

like, do you get all the tentacles too that way?

[merry whale]

u only get one tentacle and it's only when u truly kill them in phase 2

[plain bronze]

aw

[merry whale]

it actually does some pretty good support dmg and scylla will react like "control yourself charybdis"

[frank karma]

What does the Demeter godsend even do?

[plain bronze]

It does a small bit of damage over time to all nearby enemies during the effect

[merry whale]

applies a gust effect to every enemy in the room that does 20 dmg every 0.2secs for as long as phase shift is on

[frank karma]

That's... Nothing

[merry whale]

it's like so fine

it's better if u hitch enemies first

[frank karma]

Yeah I suppose so

[merry whale]

and even then it's like

u can also just get total eclipse godsent

[frank karma]

What do all the godsends do?

[merry whale]

and scorch every single enemy in the room for 1000

[plain bronze]

honestly hitch is just so broken in general, I love it

[merry whale]

zeus: twilight curse, creates lightning strikes very quickly
hera: night bloom, faster + crit chance, very cracked
poseidon: moon water, rapid regen hp + mana
aphro: dark side, rapidly summon heartthrobs during dark side
demeter: phase shift, gust effect on every enemy dealing 20dmg/0.2sec
hestia: total eclipse, scorches all enemies in the room beyond the 999 scorch cap
ares: sky fall, adds wounds power
apollo: lunar ray, adds much more power for each hit
heph: wolf howl, creates an 800-damage blast in the area upon landing

honestly the only bad one is demeter

[frank karma]

Yeah Demeters is bad. Heatias seems good.
Hephs seems kinda nuts
Heras seems really good
Aphros seem alright I guess it depends on how fast and how many heartthrobs appear

[broken glen]

I love how the night bloom summon gets faster when you have the vow of frenzy turned on

[frank karma]

Wait that's wild

[merry whale]

heartthrob rate is like very fast

for ref sunny dispo causes each heartthrob spawn to add +2 more, which doesn't actually have a tangible effect on aphro godsent cuz of how fast it spawns

[broken glen]

Dark side is bad, but the godsent is actually cracked

[frank karma]

Wait that's sounds insane actually

[broken glen]

Only thing that makes it worth taking

[frank karma]

I need to do more Hex Builds

[broken glen]

You just stand there while everything explodes

[merry whale]

ye it's peak

[frank karma]

Zeus godsend better be good bc twilight curse is kinda ass

[merry whale]

hestia godsent is also hilarious cuz u can use it for phase 2 of the scylla rivals and charyb tentacles just die

[broken glen]

And Demeter’s godsend is alright when wards is turned on, but no one’s ever really thrilled about phase shift unless you get the crit chance bonus

[frank karma]

The phase shift crit bonus is way better than the gidsend

[merry whale]

ye the crit chance and the move/strike speed are the main selling points for phase shift

[frank karma]

And you get that every time

[broken glen]

Demeter has some great lines though

[frank karma]

I wanna do that now

[broken glen]

WITHER AND ROT 🗣️

[frank karma]

Demeter may be associated with winter but she's spitting FIRE in some of those lines

[broken glen]

Oh yeah and lunar ray is unusable garbage until you get the Apollo godsent at which point it’s a deadly laser

[merry whale]

i mean lunar ray can be used as a makeshift parry tool with the armor perks

[frank karma]

Lunar ray is good without godsend if leveled up well but it doesn't really hold its own unless you have the Artemis boon too

[broken glen]

Whispered prayer godsent triple ray 🤑🤑🤑

[frank karma]

With the Artemis hex boon it's busted with or without Apollo

Sky fall is so good too

Aspect of Selene is so fun

It can get absolutely insane

[plain bronze]

I should mess around with that more

I've just been doing "Mel punch aspect go brrrr"

[frank karma]

Mel aspect for coat is the worst aspect imo

Nyx is better than mel in every way

And then Selene and Shiva have their own stuff going for them

[plain bronze]

Yeah but I'm bad and can't reliably terminate my dashes at enemies to trigger Nyx

I think I mean sprints, I get them confused

And then even if the Shiva aspect is technically alright, I just wasn't really digging the "get in circle to catch bouncy ball" dynamic

[solar ibex]

Am I trippin or does the omega axe attack not give you I frames if you dash into it anymore

I swear it used to give you i-frames if you dashed into using the attack

[jolly hound]

run through them

and try Apollo special on shiva that’s comedy

[merry whale]

idk if it ever got changed but it doesn't give iframes if u dash while charging rn

[solar ibex]

Oh so it's bugged ok I was like why am I getting hit more lmao

[merry whale]

if u have psychic whirlwind then u want to let it fire then dash after

nah it's a mechanic with everything in the game iirc

like if u do a dash strike it ends ur iframes early

[plain bronze]

When do I release? When I'm inside them, just past them, or.. ?

[solar ibex]

Hmm odd ok I swear it used to give frames going into the whirlwind that's kinda annoying but alr I haven't played since before 1.0 came out

[plain bronze]

@Haruka I saw that, lol

[frank karma]

Lmao

[jolly hound]

it should just go off automatically on impact

pretend there's another enemy right behind your target, release at that imaginary guy turn around and start punching

[plain bronze]

huh, I must have been doing it wrong then. Does swift runner arcana card prevent the necessary collision or something?

[jolly hound]

nope

[plain bronze]

might have to give that another shot too then

[jolly hound]

youre stopping short of the target, follow through

and also note it takes a few seconds to wind up, its not gonna hit until the mana circle thing is fully charged. possibly you're not all the way charged also

[plain bronze]

Yeah I got that part

[jolly hound]

try it on skelly a few times, wont be a difficult adjustment to learn 🙂

[cunning laurel]

sorceress helps a ton

[plain bronze]

Yeah I pretty much always run that

[royal cradle]

I wish Scylla took requests... Like "hey can you please play Bewitching Eyes while we fight to the death?" 🙂

[slow comet]

If I take selene keepsake on a non selene aspect as a first keepsake/while not having a hex, does picking a hex take 1 point away from extra path points I get?

[cunning laurel]

uh i cant imagine why it would

[spring breach]

Does anyone know a good Hades 2 story/lore breakdown YT vid I can watch?

[elfin heron]

do you need to? the story is very straightforward

[spring breach]

Just a good vid to put in the background while I cook tbh

[elfin heron]

watch the Making of Hades 2 video then, I loved it, they provide a lot of background info that's kinda interesting

[spring breach]

Appreciate it 👌

[elfin heron]

here's the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r9vkQ7i3Fg

[distant goblet]

Genuine question

For the staff of anubis

Apollo Nova Strike
Or
Zeus Heaven Strike

[frank karma]

Neither

Hestia flame strike

[frank karma]

Between the two of those you can never go wrong with Zues

But scorch attack on anubis is better than both of them

[crude dragon]

Wave Strike

Apollo attack is a meme on hidden Staff

It's a solid Special choice (though I prefer Hera)

[distant goblet]

Interesting take, i know some would disagree with you but thank you

[distant goblet]

and thank you

[frank karma]

Wave strike on anubis is actually pretty dang good. You just gotta be able to hit the Oattack

[crude dragon]

Well, every tick triggers splashes, so I'm curious who would disagree with me on that

[frank karma]

Yeah that's not a particularly hot take

Honestly scorch and Waves are probably the two best things on the anubis attack

[jolly hound]

Dionysus grape juice is the best thing on Anubis attack, but I’d go wave over Hestia myself

Hera attack is hilarious but not good for bosses

[torpid sky]

out of the two of those Nova Strike is better on Anubis but yeah Hestia is way better for all that scorch

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[dapper storm]

||If I reminisce, will I still be able to fight Zag in the shops? And any recommendations before I do? (I found the Fates.)||

[crude dragon]

No

All the post-credits relationships and content will be treated as though you don't have them unlocked until you roll credits again

[elfin heron]

just did 2 surface runs, one with coat (mel) and another with skulls (medea), here are my unsolicited takes:
the medea build was hera/zeus and every damage buff I could stack, extended family, shameless attitude, epic chaos strike, uncommon grace, you name it. it one shots every common enemy, but you literally just mash attack into special over and over, I only used the omega attack in the summit rooms to kill things from afar
as for the coat, I really hated it the last time I tried it, but this time it was maxed out and it's actually really fast, the build was hestia/hera + hestia ring + gust rush + static shock + chain lightning with the hammer that auto-fires rockets when you punch, again very braindead, you just dash strike into scorch ring into strike strike strike, the scorch, hitch and chain lightning mop up everything in vicinity
overall, these weapons aren't bad, but very one note, it feels like you're playing Diablo rather than an action game

[torn wind]

Summary: you played Medea and Coat and they unfortunately behaved like Medea and Coat

[jolly hound]

Is Diablo not an action game?

[elfin heron]

no, it's a glorified clicker

[slim depot]

I'm going to disagree. Running Diablo III as a Monk in Greater Rifts at +140 is just as hard as high heat runs with HUGE amounts of RNG

But that's serious end-game stuff

I'd argue it's harder. There's almost always a way in Hades. At GR +144 and above, you just have to bail on the attempt because the DPS just isn't there

[elfin heron]

that's the thing with Diablo (and its clones like Grim Dawn), it's all DPS checks, you can't dodge and parry your way through, so I wouldn't file it under an action game

[old veldt]

you have to bail always or until you get extreme rng

[slim depot]

I gave up after like 200 attempts at one peice of red colored gear with the cube

I forget what level that was

[old veldt]

yeah i have no idea what that means lol

[jolly hound]

I think I beat the main story but I remember nothing about Diablo tbh

I’ll take your word for it

[old veldt]

but for h1 its very similar, idrk much about h2 super ihgh fear

[slim depot]

It's the highest possible level for gear. Primal Ancient. You can re-roll equipment in Kanai's Cube and good lord the probability of crafting PA is like...just non-existent

[jolly hound]

Just pay Elon musk’s guy to beat it for you ez

[frank karma]

does vow of rivals give Typhon more hp or just makes him stronger?

[crude dragon]

Yes

It does both

[frank karma]

makes sense

harder to find a spot to really lay into him during rivals

[jolly hound]

get up close but back off a second or two before you feel like you need to to dodge chin slam

[slim depot]

Dude, no thanks. They look to be straight ass players

[lilac ledge]

7

[craggy totem]

Has anyone else in the postgame (past the epilogue, with all relationships maxed) noticed that Icarus seems to show up more often if you have a streak of only Underworld runs than if you have a streak of only Surface runs, or am I simply being subjected to some real streaky streaks

[torn wind]

I think it’s just placebo cause I’ve been running almost exclusively surface and he’s at the crossroads almost every night

[craggy totem]

Streaky streaks it is then

(*placebo is a specific other thing)

[red fox]

I feel icarus show up more often after i maxed his relationship