h2-discussion

[bitter stirrup]

I only fought him twice and I took like 600 and 800 damage lol

[hallow vault]

Imagine being so dumb u say 2025 sucked in gaming

I mean the layoffs suck ass

but the indies were amazing especially 2 Sequels that are amazing lol

[jolly hound]

yeah it took like 8 losses and a bunch of YouTube

unseen ire from jpom and defensive posture from hades made the ring of death phase much easer

[bitter stirrup]

What procs first, cause ideally Posture first right so its cooldown would be off after Unseen Ire

Or do they just both go

[jolly hound]

I’m not sure off the top of my head but it’s separate you won’t waste one if you have both

[final saddle]

It was a middle of the road year tbh

Bananza and H2 and Kirby were great, but a lot of the other stuff was mid

[jolly hound]

Literally only played helldivers and hades all year and the first half of x33 but got distracted by helldivers invasion of super earth and never got back into it

[final saddle]

I kinda passed on 33

I love RPGs but I didn’t see anything from that one that really pulled me in

[open nexus]

can anyone explain:

whats the difference between hades 1 and hades 2 (in simple terms) ?

[craggy totem]

Yer a witch, Meli

[jolly hound]

Two courses instead of one, you’re a girl, your power ceiling is way higher, hades is antagonist of 1 and a good guy in 2

[jolly hound]

It was fun then I got stuck on a boss and then the major helldivers update came out and once that had gotten old I had no real desire to finish 33

[plush dragon]

not to be an excsues andy buuuuuuttt.... the last surface run was going super well, had all my death defiances without tooth and or moros keepsake, just 3 from arcana +toula... which then i wasted all during promoetheus, becuase i got distracted by a conversation with my mom lol

[buoyant matrix]

the ever reliable pause button?

[bronze latch]

every part of 2 is better (other than the story) 👍

[open nexus]

thanks!

im still gonna stick with h1 for now

[bronze latch]

h2 has more cool viable builds and generally more gameplay depth

[plush dragon]

yes, but she was complaining that im playing games again instead of reading books and i kinda got thrown off rythm

[jolly hound]

Yeah once you feel like you’re done with 1 swap over but you aren’t cheating yourself by maximizing 1 before playing 2

[jolly hound]

I bet she’d lose to promo too. Anyway take Athena keepsake

[crude dragon]

Might as well until you finish the epilogue for 1

[plush dragon]

anyway, after being an axe merchant for 90% of the game, i think im falling in love with Ygnum/Torches

[crude dragon]

Torches are solid

[open nexus]

i did

but i havent unlocked unseen one rank yet 🙂

[plush dragon]

oooohh, does it also provide death definaces refill? sorry if this is a stupid question

[open nexus]

also

[craggy totem]

Yes, but note you cannot summon her if you have any active DDs left

[open nexus]

is this chat strictly for h2 or can i mention h1 sometimes

[craggy totem]

And she is an Olympian who gets summoned by her keepsake, so FW-breaking

[craggy totem]

#h1-discussion

[plush dragon]

also, i actually won against promo this last run, i had 60 hp it jsut i run out of my last dd during vs prometheus... and then i failed to reach typhon

[jolly hound]

One of her boons will do that, you are gambling tho

[open nexus]

quick question for yall in #h1-discussion

nvr mind... mb

[celest tinsel]

Wow I understand Morrigan hype now

Premium service + sweeping ambush + banshee brand just annihilated everything

[craggy totem]

Damn talk about high rolls

[celest tinsel]

right

Apollo attack feels so good with Morrigan too

that extra spreaddddddd

[final saddle]

Game is slower paced but damage is higher, builds fluctuate more (the gods give drastically unique things from each other now), there’s more gods and random events, each weapon feels unique, more customization, and progression is much much slower than H1

[open nexus]

thanks!

[old veldt]

wdym by progression is slower

cause for me first clear was quicker in h2

tho i did have a bit og h1 skill boost

do u mean like unlocking everything?

[ebon sigil]

Hades 1, zag is funnier, and the characters are mostly hotter, and the story is family drama.
2 dashes and casts that stick.
Hades 2, melinoe is fun but zag is funner, characters are hot, but not quite as hot as they were, story is way more dramatic and world drama, but still family drama.
1 dash, cast is now a trap ward on the ground, but you sprint after you dash, and holding down attacks or specials or casts makes them the "omega" version and it takes magic. z
Hades 2 has two separate paths to the ending of a run, where hades 1 has only one path.

The weapon aspect gameplays are unique to each game, as are a lot of the enemies ways of attacking, so hades 2 feels fresh even if you were a pro at hades 1.

Both games are amazing. I think hades 2 has more build and gameplay varieties and nuances, but I think hades 1 is still great by itself.

Definitely play both games.

[final saddle]

Yeah

All the arcana and moon dust and weapons unlock super slow compared to H1

I think both games are fantastic but I think I give the edge to H1 slightly bc of how tight its design is

[tranquil wren]

H2 is far and away less grindier in terms of maxing weapon aspects and arcana

it's no contest. titan's blood is incredibly annoying to grind out

moon dust is cheap at the broker's

[ebon sigil]

are you sure? I just cleared story in hades 2 in 51 runs, got most of the arcana unlocked and most of the weapon aspects unlocked and leveled up one of each weapon to 5 already.... not sure I was this far in the mirror and aspects in hades 1... i think they are actually probably similar progression.

[craggy totem]

Yeah, I strongly disagree that the aspects are slower.

[ebon sigil]

shout out to all the folks that saved gold just to buy titans blood in act 4 shop.
Also, every single heat level up gives you two titans blood per weapon. I think nightmare is actually slower progression in that sense.

[tranquil wren]

no, you get more than 1 nightmare per bounty

for higher fear levels*

[craggy totem]

Not to mention you get the Charon card nightmare, the bones nightmare, etc.

[red fox]

I maxed out aspect without even trying because charon let you buy nightmare with loyalty card

[ebon sigil]

i feel like I'm hearing a lot of bias here... I think they are similar or have ways where they are different but similar.

[tranquil wren]

titan's blood was infuriating to get, idk what else to say

[craggy totem]

There's objectively more ways to get nightmare, and also you were objectively wrong about the nightmare per bounty

[red fox]

1 heat at a time, for every weapon

[ebon sigil]

1 titan blood for meg and 1 titan blood for hades for each heat level for each weapon.

[tranquil wren]

you're just ignoring what escalier is saying

[red fox]

And you take 5 nightmare to upgrade non hidden to max

It took some like 15 titan blood or something for h1?

[tranquil wren]

1. you can buy nightmare from the broker
2. you can buy nightmare with loyalty cards
3. you can buy nightmare from final region shops
4. you can get nightmare through testaments
5. it's cheaper to max out aspects in H2 than H1

[ebon sigil]

you can get titan blood from the shop in hades 1 as well as the last shop, where it felt way easier to save 1200 coin for the titan blood versus the 1300 for nightmare.

Just because hades 2 has loyalty card nightmare and bones nightmare doesn't mean it's faster to grab nightmare versus titan blood.

[tranquil wren]

have you maxed out all aspects in both games

[old veldt]

with chrloex 1300 is not hard to get whatsoever

[ebon sigil]

I think you may have me on point number 5... that's real. But I still feel like I'd need to do a fresh file run on each and time how long it would take to take at least one non base weapon to max in one game versus the other.

[old veldt]

and nightmare from propehcies, charon and broker is much more than prophecies and trading in h1

[old veldt]

5, 15 or 16 iirc

[ebon sigil]

I guess I'm also bias... Hades 1 is still my goat in my mind and I took every weapon to heat 20, and had a blast and never felt like the grind was painful for anything except for maybe unlocking the last of the rerolls on the mirror, they were a lot of darkness each

but I'm just getting into the swing of post game in hades 2, just barely at 12 fear on some weapons... need to keep getting better.

i'm still learning the rival fights, they are hard.

[tranquil wren]

so I looked at the wiki
you need 306 titan blood total to max all aspects
you need 118 nightmare total to max all aspects

[ebon sigil]

where all the extreme measure bosses are easy for me in hades 1, non extreme measure bosses don't feel like the real fight anymore.

[ebon sigil]

yeah, this might make the argument for me, that you probably grow your aspects faster in hades 2.

[cunning laurel]

306 is absurd

[old veldt]

you only get 240 from bounties as well

and you dont get 56 from prophecies

so you need to buy soem at end shop or trade

[ebon sigil]

I do think there are some aspects in hades 1 that I feel are duds and I don't really enjoy playing them. I haven't figured out if that's similar in hades 2 yet.

zag aspect on each weapon is pretty bad except for fists in my opinion.
But for melinoe, I think the only base aspects I don't like are axe and maybe blades?

[old veldt]

zag shield is fine since its a shield

and bow is ok, but rama/hera r just better

rail with the shotgun maybe

[ebon sigil]

I love zeus and beowulf shield, I should love hera bow more, but for some reason I'm addicted to chiron bow, I have to force myself to not play it when bow is chosen. Rama is hard for me to use the attack, and it works for me if I do a special machine gun build, which feels a little awkward.

[elfin heron]

does music maker only play instrumental versions? bought a couple siren songs, but there's no singing

[craggy totem]

Yes, instrumental only

Sad :(

But makes sense, it's just a little guy playing the song, that spirit don't got pipes like Scylla's

[jolly hound]

Zag bow kicks ass it’s so basic and simple I love it

[torn wind]

Yeah only vocals you can get are Artemis singing the crossroads theme and ||the credits theme if you have it playing beforehand when she shows up||

It’s a fun little Easter Egg

||Mel can also sing along for Apollo’s part||

||sadly she won’t sing along to it if you switch to it. She’ll just sit there if you don’t already have it playing beforehand||

[elfin heron]

man, this is lame, I even got a Scylla poster for Mel, but she can't vibe to the songs

[torn wind]

You’ll just have to go fight her more

[elfin heron]

with this many upgrades the fight doesn't last for more than 10 sec

[torn wind]

Rivals is calling you

[elfin heron]

yeah I'll try that once I beat the game, still have 2 (?) runs to go, I just chanted the spear incant

also, I've tried aspect of moros like you guys recommended, it is strong, but very magic hungry if you get fine line and stuff

[torn wind]

Yep that’s why it loves flood gain or born gain

[elfin heron]

I even got the hammer that reduces special's magic cost but it's still 20 magic per explosion, nuts

[torn wind]

Fine Line torch builds live and die by flood/born gain

[elfin heron]

I feel like even with Born you'll just run out, I got Tranquil and it was kinda okay, but I had to chill out after a couple combos which was awkward

[torn wind]

You do need to get a good number of tonics for born gain to last a while

[elfin heron]

literally facetanked Chronos though, only took 46 hp of damage

but yeah, I suppose these kinds of builds only make sense on the surface, the underworld just doesn't have enough boons/magic tonics to support this playstyle

on the surface if you get lucky and take Medea's +5 magic every encounter boon you'll have like 400 magic by the end

[torn wind]

Just take Hecuba 🤷‍♂️

Torches is one of the few weapons that Hecuba is actually a good option for

[elfin heron]

how much magic does she give you

[torn wind]

60

And can dig up orbs that regen like 100 or something

[elfin heron]

we'll see when I upgrade her, I've only maxed Gale and Raki

also, why is it pronounced Gah-lee? a reference to something?

[torn wind]

You’ll really want Hecuba when you start playing torches with stuff like bow of hurbis

Every level of boon above common on hubris 2 primes 6 magick

[elfin heron]

60 is not a whole lot, just 2 tonics, and I already have the incant that gives me +5 from bones

[torn wind]

Yeah but on hubris you can easily prime 150 magick over a run from boon choices

[elfin heron]

haven't seen that boon yet

[torn wind]

It’s a vow

On the testament

[elfin heron]

ah ok

[torn wind]

It’s basically 2 free fear on weapons that rarely use magick

[elfin heron]

I've only played a few low fear testaments, I liked the perk one the best, makes the game much more fun

every shielded enemy has a random ability

[torn wind]

Yeah fangs can get screwy sometimes but it’s worth the 5 fear

I think it’s 2 for fangs 1 and 5 for fangs 2 can’t remember

[old veldt]

i feel like fangs frenzy and time ill always have on even if im tryna do a meme build or smth

maybe not time

[torn wind]

I know frenzy is 3 for both levels

The only time I’ve actually had the 5 minute timer be an issue recently was on a terrible Hel build

[elfin heron]

so what do you get for playing high fear? just the unflattering statues from Schelemeus?

I mean, I guess it's something to do after the ending

[torn wind]

Personal satisfaction 🤷‍♂️

If worthless pixels on a screen isn’t worth it for you then don’t play games

[elfin heron]

I mean, most things in this game have some kinds of rewards, hence me asking

[old veldt]

theres nothing past the statues im pretty sure

[torn wind]

The highest fear required to 100% the game is 24 surface and 32 underworld

[old veldt]

which is 32 UW

[torn wind]

For the final statue

[elfin heron]

is max fear even beatable?

[old veldt]

yeah

[torn wind]

It’s been done with nearly every aspect if I’m correct

You still get access to judgement arcana

So you’re just super weak early on

[elfin heron]

no way man, how do you do it with something like mel's axe

[torn wind]

Hit stuff

[old veldt]

im pretty sure its closer to half but idrk

[elfin heron]

olympus/summit enemies will just overwhelm you, there's no counter

[torn wind]

Don’t get hit

[old veldt]

psychic whirlwind!

[torn wind]

Yeah very high fear is literally “get to ephyra, build craft, quit if it’s bad”

[elfin heron]

what if 5 robots start shooting at once, like what do you do

[torn wind]

Dodge

Literally just dodge

[elfin heron]

they don't stop shooting for a long while, and not every room has cover

[torn wind]

Then use your omega special for once if you gotta

Axe still has a ranged option even if it stinks

[elfin heron]

one of the reasons why I can't beat that Trial of Glory or whatever, mount olumpus with the coat, I feel like I don't have enough CC on that build

[torn wind]

Then just kill stuff first

It can’t shoot you if it’s dead

[elfin heron]

I guess, I have since maxed out mel's coat, I'll give it another try sometime

[broken creek]

Every skull minus hel, every knife, every mel aspect minus flames iirc, circe, nergal, shiva

[torn wind]

No Charon?

[broken creek]

No charon sucks at top fear lmao

[torn wind]

RIP

[elfin heron]

is circe that good? you can't control where your pet will be when you cast

[torn wind]

Raki

[broken creek]

You can raki and gale are very predictable

[torn wind]

Raki almost always flies back to you so it’s easy to drop a double-cast on enemies

[broken creek]

Its one of the best aspects in the game

And gale always trails melinoe

[elfin heron]

huh seriously, been using the regular staff for mana and +special damage

[torn wind]

Mel staff is very good

[broken creek]

Its best without omegas though funny enough

[old veldt]

why? id assume priming isnt too much of an issue since you optimally only need 45 magick but 30 should be ok...

[elfin heron]

I feel like Momus could be decent when maxed out so that it shoots faster, but dunno about CIrce, sounds sketchy as hell

[broken creek]

Because 1, you need a gain 2, no sorceress/persistence so you wont get anything off ever

And 3 its axe so its super hammer dependant

The 65 didnt even use the aspect it played like a worse mel axe

[torn wind]

Yeah not having sorceress is a gamechanger for such an omega-heavy aspect

[broken creek]

Casts are crazy powerful and having 2 is insane

Momus is the stinky one since its slower than youd like plus again omega weapons are inconsistent at high fear

[torn wind]

A single storm ring with a good roll does hundreds of damage

[old veldt]

why does sorceress matter so much?

[torn wind]

Now you can double that up

[broken creek]

30% channeling speed is huge

[torn wind]

30% omega charge rate is a lot when your whole gameplay is omegas

[broken creek]

Its what makes stuff like eos not insufferable to use

[old veldt]

oh i was confusing it with a different one

[torn wind]

But yeah Circe staff and Mel staff are probably the lowest risk highest reward aspects in the game. Just really strong base buffs on an already good weapon

[broken creek]

Generally the consensus is mel staff, circe, and medea are the 3 best weapons in the game

[elfin heron]

what about the leash is its damage ever important

[torn wind]

Medea is definitely higher skill floor though

Medea makes me feel bad at the game

[old veldt]

not as much as the cast but yeah it adds up

[torn wind]

1500 base damage on Typhon if you got raki to sit on him

[broken creek]

At top fear yeah

[torn wind]

Or something like that

[broken creek]

Its a make or break at 67 and it solos erebus at 62 lowkey

[torn wind]

Either way psychic leash usually ends up on my top damage on Circe runs

It’s great for clearing wards early on

Especially with how cramped some early areas can be

[elfin heron]

is Anubis worth unlocking? seems like it speeds up your omegas and turns enemies into shades you can sprint into

[torn wind]

#h2-victory-boasting message

Watch this and judge for yourself

It’s super strong with flat damage buffs like Poseidon waves and static shock

[elfin heron]

I didn't understand that clip

are you just using omega combos

and disregarding the shade mechanic

[torn wind]

Main attack creates a circular area on the ground that damages enemies over time

Omega creates the same thing but higher damage and in an arc ahead of you

[elfin heron]

ah, it has a new moveset

[torn wind]

The shades are mediocre though can sometimes help to chase down enemies that are far away

[torn wind]

That’s how all the hidden aspects are

[elfin heron]

hmmm, which ones are the best

I only have the axe one, it's too slow IMO

[torn wind]

Nergal is great

The whirlwind is super high damage and amazing if you get good hammers

And the self healing is pretty easy to abuse

But I’d suggest getting the level maxed or close to maxed since low level it can take a lot of hits to activate berserk

[elfin heron]

Nergal kinda has a Dark Souls strength build moveset in a game that's very twitchy

[torn wind]

It struggles a fair amount against mobile bosses like rivals eris if you don’t manage to get psychic whirlwind just because of how slow it is

But otherwise it’s a fantastic weapon

[elfin heron]

what about others, are hidden blades actually good

[torn wind]

Best blades aspect by far tbh

If you build into omega attack it absolutely rips

The hammer that gives you 400% omega attack damage is insane

[elfin heron]

hmm, the regular blade aspects are all kinda meh

[torn wind]

And it just generally has better AOE so can clear rooms a lot better

Since the omega attack also creates two more omega attacks on nearby enemies

[elfin heron]

is it as magic hungry as torches

[torn wind]

Nah you’re basically just using your omega attack which is only 15 magick

Your main combo to activate blood triad is to throw a basic special then attack and omega attack

And that’s basically all you do and blood triad just executes stuff

[elfin heron]

hmm, I feel like a lot of unlockable aspects rely on some combo to deal big damage

I'd rather we got more movesets than these "prime then detonate" mechanics

just me though

[torn wind]

I really don’t agree with that but sure

The unlockables are all pretty different

[elfin heron]

what about the skull one where you explode yourself, I beat the demo trial and it was kinda awkward

Medea I believe?

you have no regular attack at all

[red fox]

That the best aspect in game

[torn wind]

Best objectively but not especially easy to use

[elfin heron]

I guess you just stack all kinds of passives and dash into enemies? maybe the math works out, but it feels odd to play

prime the skulls, then dash into something while they're still live, rinse and repeat

[bitter stirrup]

The math for Medea is you have a built in 90% damage boost

[torn wind]

You keep using the term “prime”

That means something else and it was confusing me why you were saying it

[bitter stirrup]

Use 1 skull at a time and special into everything, the hard part about using it is you don't have i-frames so you have to know exactly when it's safe to special into things

[craggy totem]

They're saying it because "prime the [explosive] charges" is a real-world phrase that corresponds to what Medea does

[elfin heron]

prime and detonate is a somewhat common mechanic in games, especially in recent years it feels like, even Dragon Age Veilguard was all about it, didn't mean to confuse though

[bitter stirrup]

I thought it was easy mode when I played it at <40f, at 40+ is when it got hard for me to use it without getting punished for just mindlessly spamming

[torn wind]

Your less than symbol is backwards and it confused me lol

[red fox]

Well ez mode is staff instead

[craggy totem]

It appears to be a greater than symbol :P

Confusing indeed 😆

[bitter stirrup]

Wait I'm stupid (math major btw)

Excuse is I just woke up

[elfin heron]

torches are the easiest to play, you can just literally spam the special and be fine as a casual player, just use some casts and attacks to apply curses for origination

[plain shale]

You think SpongeBob would live in Oceanus since it’s the bottom of the sea

[plain shale]

That was my shower thoughts

[elfin heron]

actually, I've no idea what is Oceanus in this game, Mel says Daedalus built it

in the mythology Oceanus was a titan, not a city/whatever this is

[plain shale]

[crude dragon]

Pull a pin, Special in

[crude dragon]

It's also the name of the deep sea

[crude dragon]

Nah, Oceanus would be more like Rock Bottom

[torn wind]

Hades is also the name of the underworld if that’s what you’re saying is weird

I don’t put it past them to also have Oceanus be a titan and a place

[elfin heron]

the word for hell in my native language actually comes from Hades funnily enough

[copper bison]

if we wanna talk about weird in Hades, the creatures you fight in Oceanus can also just appear in whatever region despite the fact that they’re very clearly implied to live in pretty deep water

Nyx dragged a few hundred deep sea fish out to Erebus to test Melinoe apparently

[elfin heron]

another lore question, does Melinoe have grey skin like a dark elf? the whole game I thought it was just due to the underworld being dark (and the surface likewise being dark at night), but when you're at Olympus she's still grey and stands out so much

[copper bison]

I mean you try living in the underground your whole life

have you seen those naked mole rats that look pale as can be

[torn wind]

I mean you’d imagine somebody to be pale if they never get sunlight

It’s like vampires being depicted as pale

[elfin heron]

yeah but pale not grey

[torn wind]

I mean hades is grey

[elfin heron]

Zag is pale, Mel looks grey

[torn wind]

She got more of the dad genes

[elfin heron]

yeah that's funny, in one of the mirror scenes Zag says she's just like father

[copper bison]

Mel is a lot more like Hades between the two (serious and devoted) while Zag is a lot more like Persephone (kind yet headstrong) so it makes sense their designs reflect that

[torn wind]

Mel is very kind but sure of her own ideals and goals

Zag is kinda a doofus

Hades isn’t actually that mean, just he had to be strong because he was thinking what he was doing was protecting Zag

So yeah a lot like Mel, very sure of himself

Does what he has to do and is hard to convince otherwise

[elfin heron]

most video game protagonists are kind hearted because few would want to play as a jerk, though Hornet in Silksong has a few moments where she's unexpectedly cruel

[torn wind]

I like oddball protagonists where they exist in a sort of grey anti-hero or personal justice area

You still support them but they’re not always going to pick the lawful good option

[elfin heron]

yeah that's going to be more interesting (aka less predictable), if anything

[torn wind]

I find grey areas far more compelling since they’re often less predictable

But you can still side with them

Making a compelling character that isn’t disagreeable is hard

[elfin heron]

my personal pet peeve is protagonists never killing anyone, so the villains would keep running away and murdering more innocents, Kiryu from Yakuza is the biggest offender

[torn wind]

It’s the fear of becoming the thing you fight, the desire to rise above them that also causes them to constantly get the best of you

A refusal to kill is not a sign of weakness, it’s a sign of strength that you’re willing to take the more difficult path

[elfin heron]

yeah well Silksong doesn't have this hangup, Hornet is ice cold

[torn wind]

You’re willing to beat somebody in their game by refusing to play it

[torn wind]

I haven’t played silksong, but yeah I can see it

Definitely the “personal justice” character

does it because they feel justified

[elfin heron]

she's an interesting character, kind and polite to the weak, and relentless against the oppressors

[crude dragon]

Not really? She tries to spin it to herself as that, but she is genuinely selfless when given the chance

There's zero reason that she can come up with to let the Green Prince out of his cell, for instance, but she can do so anyways

[plain shale]

That is true

[torn wind]

I mean I said I haven’t played the game so that just what I get from what has been told to me

[open nexus]

thanks! ( i agree to most of what u said, but with the exception of Aphrodite)

[copper bison]

tbh the characters are hotter thing is a toss-up like I think the romance options in 2 are hotter than 1

[craggy totem]

Second game has Hestia, literally the goddess of the hearth, therefore literally hotter ;P

[ebon sigil]

Besides her new art with her cool eye makeup, she was much more suggestive in her things she said in hades 1

[ebon sigil]

Hestia is great. I love great auntie hestia. She’s feisty

[torn wind]

Meg >

[ebon sigil]

Meg ❤️

[torn wind]

I will say I at least don’t dislike any of the romance options in either game.

They’re all fun in their own right and all

And they still manage to be pretty different

Moros is quite forward since he’s unsure of how to go about stuff but is decently confident, while Icarus has a sort of imposter syndrome because he’s a mortal shade among gods and had accidentally hurt Mel before

So there’s some nice variation in the dialog and interactions even if you’re not personally attracted to anybody

They don’t feel especially samey or generic

Also, we can’t fix Eris but that’s okay

[bitter stirrup]

My complaint is no Scylla gifting!

[cunning laurel]

hey whats wrong with eris

[frank karma]

how excatly does the calculation for freezer burn work? bc ive been getting damage numbers far beyond what a flat x2 would do with capped scorch. what damage amplifiers apply to scorch? bc i ddint think that many actually did.

[buoyant matrix]

all global damage amplifiers affect scorch

strength, furies, origination, perfect image etc

[torn wind]

She is the incarnation of strife so like she’d be absolutely horrible as a companion, but at least she realizes she can not always be an ass

[torn wind]

Yeah so it turns any scorch into a singular flat damage hit that is multiplied by any damage buffs. Hence why the number is often well over 2000

[frank karma]

yeah like my freezer burn procs when actually at 999 which i expected to be 1998 (still respectable) are ending up being like 3.5k or something

not that im complaining. just didnt know why

[torn wind]

Yeah that’s why is all the additive buffs. I don’t know if it can crit though

That would be funny

[frank karma]

thats cool. I was a big fan of freezer burn before scorch got capped so im glad it sill does the big numbers. its prrbably my fav duo\

[buoyant matrix]

freezer burn can't crit but it can do double damage with ares

[frank karma]

yeah it def cant

[frank karma]

WAIT WHAT??? this is huge

[torn wind]

I’m picturing that meme of the guy at the therapist like “oh shid for real?”

Mutual destruction stonks

[buoyant matrix]

Say that you apply 100 scorch to an enemy in one hit. With absolutely no other boons, every sixth of a second 16.66 of those stacks of scorch will be removed and dealt as damage, totaling 100 dps for 1 second. There are a lot of other things that can impact this, so lets assume you have all of those and work through the full math.

• Step 1: you hit the enemy and apply 100 scorch to it in one hit.
• Step 2: At base each sixth-of-a-second-scorch-tick consumes 16.66 scorch
• Step 3: This scorch consumption gets multiplied by Pyro Technique. If you have 100% pyro, then this becomes 16.66 X (1 + 100%) = 33.32 scorch consumed per tick. At this point, 33.32 scorch is actually removed from the enemy and turned into damage for the next step. (If you have Burning Desire the scorch is not removed from the enemy and 33.32 damage is still sent to the next step)
• Step 4: this damage is now affected by any relevant %damage modifiers. This includes Olympian Damage from hera or ares, and any %damage that doesn't specify a specific damage type (such as Origination, The Furies, Shameless Attitude, or Tall Order). Lets say you have origination and ares' rallying cry, your damage dealt is now 33.32 X (1 + 50% + 50%) = 66.64 damage. This is the end of damage calculations
• Step 5: finally damage the enemy. The enemy loses 66.64 health. Return to step 1 and repeat every 1/6 of a second

freezer burn will just send the entire scorch you've stacked straight into step 4 and apply a 2x multiplier at the end

[frank karma]

Im doing a hel run with hestia attk, hera special, and demeter cast. oh boy is it juicy!

[frank karma]

thanks for the info. thats pretty cool

[torn wind]

Yeah dem cast is solid for freezer burn but there’s some weapons I prefer other options

But Hel is a great weapon for freezer burn

I’ve yet to get a good build for it

Hel always gives me garbage

[frank karma]

realy all you need with hel is a decent scorch atk and dem cast. anything else is gravy. maybe hera special too bc hitch with hel EATS

you could honestly just do a hitch special build with hel and do fine.

which hex goes to which god?

for godsent

like whats hestias?

[cunning laurel]

total eclipse

[frank karma]

thanks

[buoyant matrix]

twilight curse is zeus
night bloom is hera
wolf howl is hephaestus
total eclipse is hestia
dark side is aphro
phase shift is demeter
lunar ray is apollo
moon water is poseidon
skyfall is ares

[final saddle]

They all go to Chronos because I need that money

[copper bison]

"power of the moon" and "ability to slow down time" who cares bro I got investors to take care of 🤑

[frank karma]

any good builds for the different black coat aspects? i suck with xinth i feel like I never know what to do

[torn wind]

Well, it has begun, very first two rewards on a medea run were born gain and possessed array

[copper bison]

poseidon spam for most of them

then like, Apollo on Shiva

Hestia also works if you're into that (on all except Shiva)

[frank karma]

is there any way to make an Oattack build work for Xinth?

whats my best bet for that?

[craggy totem]

1. No
2. Nobody

Well, I mean, play Shiva, I guess. That's how you get it to work :P

[bitter stirrup]

Just based on looking at it I'd think Ares is good for Shiva

I did my first run with Shiva yesterday with Ares attack but I went for Anus Affront so that kinda overshadowed me trying to actually use the aspect lol

[torn wind]

Bro what a damn waste of a boon. Possessed array doesn't count as magick for heart breaker

That's so dumb

I thought I was onto something but that's so dumb

[bitter stirrup]

Yeah since it "loses" magick

At least you can get Fine Line soon

[torn wind]

Yeah just such a lame technicality

Since it counts for some stuff but not other stuff

And I choked the run cause I suck with medea

[frank karma]

are there any good builds for circie now that its different than early access? (i havent played in a while)

[torn wind]

Best builds are still generally either winners circle spam or storm/smolder ring spam

Though you can always play the mirrored thrasher build with it

[bitter stirrup]

Heaven Flourish Storm Ring Double Strike (Lightning Lance optional) King's Ransom

[torn wind]

I'm currently trying to get glorious disaster on an air quality winners circle build

[bitter stirrup]

I remember when I was first playing the game I thought of going for Glorious Disaster on Circe with Lucid Gain and Super Nova but I saw people call it bad and went for Killer Current instead (which is also bad on Circe as it turns out since Tidal Ring is not good for Circe)

[torn wind]

Yeah since the damage can't overlap

[elfin heron]

finally beat the game, took me 70 hours and 53 nights (though I played a lot of chaos trials, and those count as nights)
it's a nice and satisfying ending, but now I'm curious, what was the 1.0 ending like? the one that everyone hated?

[torn wind]

This is the 1.0 ending

People didn't like the old ending where the whole ||filling his head with memories thing|| apparently didn't happen

[bitter stirrup]

1.0 ending was ||only Zagreus has the memories|| I believe

[torn wind]

Really?

Guess I got it backwards

But yeah the old ending was sudden and kinda lame

[elfin heron]

so the only difference is ||Persephone and Hades also retaining the memories||? that can't be the case

[ebon sigil]

No I think it was more like Melinoe didnt have a say and zag deciding to be nice wasn’t fore warned.

[torn wind]

Yippee glorious disaster

Now I have too little magick to use it though

[bitter stirrup]

They also changed some conversations between Zagreus and Melinoe since ||the 1.0 ending made it seem like Melinoe was being forced to agree or something like that||

[elfin heron]

there were so many negative reviews, I thought the ending was some BS like "it was all just a dream" or something unsatisfying like that

[bitter stirrup]

To be clear I never played 1.0 but this is just what I remember from watching videos lol

[frank karma]

Ive played like 400 nights but i still havent gotten to the ending. becasue the majority of my playtime was in EA lol

and i didnt play since warsong so like half my knowledge is outdated too

[elfin heron]

also, what happens now? who do you fight at the end of both routes? I guess Chronos ||will be a friendly "test" in the now restored House of Hades||, but what about Typhon?

[torn wind]

Play the game and you'll see

[ebon sigil]

You’re wrong on your guesses.

[elfin heron]

ugh, it's gonna be lame if it just reverts to how it was

[ebon sigil]

Honestly it’s kinda lame, but it isn’t just a reverted state.

[elfin heron]

okay just tell me now, ||is Hades still bound in chains just so that you can get his boons||?

[bitter stirrup]

No but he'll be ||staying in the same room because he likes it there more than having to see Chronos' decorations||

[ebon sigil]

||hades is free, renovating Tartarus, but for chronos and typhon, the idea is there are other timelines and possibilities that Chronos lets you in on to destroy even those possibilities.||.

Honestly I forget what’s the story behind why you fight cerebus still.

[elfin heron]

fine, I'll check it out later, there's still that fates quest + the Dora incantation (not sure if I should max out her relationship first though)

[torn wind]

Holy freaking choke my cat clawed onto my leg and I missed the prometheus pattern

[elfin heron]

will the Dora incantation completely rewrite her character? should I get all her normal events first?

[bitter stirrup]

They say that Cerberus ||enjoys play-fighting Mel with the shades consuming him akin to a dog playing in mud||

[elfin heron]

they already said this in the ending, so I figured you'd just get friendly fights with all the same bosses

[torn wind]

I mean she does say "you done playing it the mud now, boy"

[elfin heron]

can someone chime in on the Dora thing, should I chant the incantation

[torn wind]

She has some unique dialogue regarding it and that's about it

[elfin heron]

she won't become a whole new person?

[torn wind]

Just do the thing. Play the game

They're not gonna lock you out of dialogue because of something

This isn't a miltiple choice RPG

[elfin heron]

Prometheus said those memories are dangerous, idk, I've already unlocked a lot of her events, might as well grab the few remaining ones, in case the incantation does something big

I know that, but you can miss out on some dialog

also, funny thing, ||I didn't anticipate Chronos having a third phase in the ending, and I died when he was like a couple hits away, but turns out I was immortal and you can't fail that phase||

on one hand it's cool that I didn't need to restart and lose the story momentum, but on the other, I feel like I didn't really beat him lol

[torn wind]

Yeah the ||third phase is scripted on the story playthrough but you can fight it on Rivals 4||

[red fox]

Well you can always do it for real later

[elfin heron]

||so the rivals Chronos is just this extra phase||?

[frank karma]

is there any way to reveal Typhons health bar?

[craggy totem]

No

[elfin heron]

I looked up the original ending on reddit
||In the original Zag decided to spare chronos and no one else has the alternative memories. It takes away all of Mel's agency and ends up feeling like your victory is taken from you against your own wishes||

||To build on this, all (or at least most) of the scenes where Chronos is complaining about being exiled from the family were not present, and Melinoe subsequently never expressed any doubts about her mission to kill him. Then Zagreus unilaterally decides to spare Chronos, and Melinoe just has to deal with that with no personal sense of closure.||

||Notably, the little slideshow of Melinoe growing up in the House of Hades - with Persephone+Cerberus, Zagreus, Achilles, and Megara+Dusa - was totally absent. It really left a sour taste in a lot of people's mouths.||

also, Megaera has a single voiced line in that slideshow, I wonder if it's the same actress as in 1

[frank karma]

unfortunate

[torn wind]

And he's way harder in general

All his phases become harder and he gets back his third phase

[limpid oar]

Moveset changes for p1 p2 too (rivals was added in EA, I'm not spoiler tagging it)

[sudden eagle]

After 200+ hours of playtime I just figured out Mount Olympus had a sightseeing view at the beginning of the stage 🙈

[slim pike]

So does the summit, wait there long enough and you see typhon walking by

[sudden eagle]

Oh you can see Typhon? I never stayed long enough

[slim pike]

a looming shadow walking by

[sudden eagle]

So I'm not done with this game yet

[elfin heron]

I think Erebus is the only region without a view

[buoyant matrix]

erebus has a view, it's in your training grounds before you start a run

[elfin heron]

yeah there's that

[slim pike]

same as Tartarus in H1

[sudden eagle]

I saw a video of a player making Skelly fall off the edge.

[slim pike]

?

[elfin heron]

can you actually romance anyone? like maybe Icarus, he's clearly crushing on Mel

[bitter stirrup]

4 romanceables in this game

[elfin heron]

hmmmmm

[slim pike]

I order to get it, you gotta do the highly realistic and healthy thing to do: Ply them all with alcohol

[elfin heron]

I'd go for Artemis or Icarus, if possible. Moros is already taken, Eris is too mentally unstable

and Odysseus has a history of dumping his partners

though it's kinda funny that Eris thinks I'm trying to woo her

[winged kayak]

the merch lowk expensive 😭

look really cool tho

[sudden eagle]

you can hit skelly and move him slowly towards the sightseeing view and make him fall in the pit.

[slim pike]

"fall", huh.

[bitter stirrup]

3 of the 5 characters you mentioned are romanceable

[elfin heron]

oh that's interesting
well, we'll see who I end up liking the most

[slim pike]

You don't need to pick only one

When in Greece, think like a grecian

[elfin heron]

you can't turn them down? I don't like when you romance everyone like in OG Persona 3, feels like cheating

[crude dragon]

You can turn them down, it's just that polyphilia is an option

[slim pike]

Polyamory

[crude dragon]

I do not like how that word combines a Greek prefix with a Latin root

[jolly hound]

bad news about the rest of the English language then

[pallid cradle]

There's a reason it's regarded as one of the worst languages to learn.

In terms of difficulty

[buoyant matrix]

international language should've been chinese instead fr ong

[jolly hound]

give it another 30 years, we’ll get there

[pallid cradle]

Spanish is pretty high too

[buoyant matrix]

do yall think the exclusivity deal with nintendo lasts for a year

[pallid cradle]

It did for the first game, so yes

[elfin heron]

Chinese is actually extremely straightforward due to having pretty much no grammar, it's just the writing can be complex, though it's also more simple than people realize

[pallid cradle]

I don't think you can just get out of an exclusivity deal considering it's something you're given money for.

[elfin heron]

is it an actual exclusivity deal or they just released a Switch port first? do we know for sure?

[buoyant matrix]

oh i know, just wondering how long it'll last

[buoyant matrix]

they specifically used the word "exclusive" in the nintendo video

[pallid cradle]

Probably the same length as the first one.

[viral moat]

is it bad that I am 20 hours in and still haven't beaten Chronos once 😭

[tranquil wren]

no

[viral moat]

how do I defeat him, this is way harder than hades in the first game lmao

[crude dragon]

What exactly are you dying to?

[viral moat]

nothing practically, just his second stage generally

[crude dragon]

So is it just all the ground AoEs overlapping in inconvenient ways?

[viral moat]

AoEs?

[crude dragon]

Area of Effect

[viral moat]

that, also his strikes, his boomerang thing, all round

probs cause my playstyle is extremely in your face and aggressive

[craggy totem]

Sounds like you know what to try doing next

[viral moat]

not do that? idk how else to play lmao

this play style has got me to him regardless of boons

[tranquil wren]

your playstyle is fine, it's likely something like an inefficient arcana setup

[viral moat]

the amount of times I have had a pretty op build, only to blow it is embarrassing lmao

[craggy totem]

It's fine to have an aggressive playstyle, but if it's more aggressive than your build and/or your current state of game knowledge can handle, then that's obviously a problem

[tranquil wren]

the lovers is excellent help for guardians, origination and the furies are must-haves

hopefully you also have persistence and the like

[craggy totem]

At 20h do they even have full grasp and upgraded arcana

[tranquil wren]

maybe not, but origination can def be there

[crude dragon]

You could be making your way down to @crude dragon as well

[viral moat]

yes?????????????? I mean I think so?????

I did upgreade it to regen super quick

[craggy totem]

Regen super quick...?

[viral moat]

I mean the knowledge is enough to get him literally every time now which is something I guess

[viral moat]

arcana is the blue bar right?

[craggy totem]

You specifically are dying on his second phase, so something is clearly the problem

And no, arcana is not the blue bar. It's the deck of passives you set in the training grounds.

Do you have arcana cards unlocked at all?

[viral moat]

yeah

all of them

[crude dragon]

No, Arcana are the cards that you equip before a run

The blue bar is Magick

[viral moat]

ahhhhhhhhh

[crude dragon]

So first what you're going to do is unequip the Unseen card because it's garbage

[craggy totem]

it might be garbage but you should be able to beat Chronos with it

[crude dragon]

The 5 Grasp it takes is basically always better spent elsewhere

[viral moat]

this sounds like a mike Ehrmantraut speech lmao

[viral moat]

what would you say are essential cards

[crude dragon]

Origination, Persistence, your choice of Death or Strength

[craggy totem]

The stuff that people said above, if you scroll up

[viral moat]

alright thanks!

again! for those who come after...wait wrong game...

[crude dragon]

For those we've lost, for those we've yet to save

Wait, also wrong game

[viral moat]

don't even know what game that is lmao

[crude dragon]

The critically-acclaimed MMORPG Final Fantasy XIV Online with the free trial that goes to level 70 and includes the award-winning Heavensward and Stormblood expansions

[lunar mauve]

could you guys please remind me what fear levels are usually recommended/safer (or clearly NOT recommended) when trying to unlock the second statue?

[cunning laurel]

how much fear is that

[lunar mauve]

16

I remember that among the recommended ones there's the time, but that's pretty much it...

[broken creek]

You can just do full rivals plus some timer and hit 16

[cursive nacelle]

time, menace are basically free. if you dont plan using much mana hubris is also fairly free.

depending on taste rivals can be worth it.

[median plinth]

full rivals for 16 is a massive difficulty spike

[broken creek]

Timer, shadow, debt, hubris, wards(weapon dependant but still), return is fine just obnoxious, menace is fine

Fangs2 imo is fine as long as hoards stays at 0

[craggy totem]

Keep in mind that 67F is max fear; high fear players have a skewed perspective lol

[lunar mauve]

ok, thx everyone! : )

[broken creek]

Generally for fear climbing void is never touched until >62, scars3 is the 60 -> 62 jump, and grit/hoards shouldn't be going on until 45+

[bitter stirrup]

My 16 was Frenzy 2 Time 3 Hubris 2 Denial so basically just faster enemies, good if you want to get used to them for going higher

[cursive nacelle]

fangs 1 is fairly free. fangs 2 have some combinations that can be annoying

[bitter stirrup]

If you don't plan to go above 32 though Frenzy 2 is probably overkill

[broken creek]

Yeah if you wanna push higher rivals4, frenzy2, timer3, and denial become non negotiable since they're fundamentally changing how you play

[craggy totem]

Avoid Wards/Return on slow weapons and Hubris 2 on high magick use weapons; Debt is free if you've unlocked the time piece; Denial isn't as bad as it sounds as long as you make sure to remember and check your codex to see which boons you've already struck out (and remember that Duos/Legendaries don't necessarily count as "available" -- they're not guaranteed)

Menace and Shadows are worse on the Surface than in the Underworld

[median plinth]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDAsMCwxLDAsMiwwLDAsMiwwLDMsMCwxLDIsNV0=

would be my vote for someone just trying to clear 16 for the first time

[crude dragon]

Yeah, but it, Timer, and Frenzy are the most learnable Vows

[bitter stirrup]

(me whose two 50f clears were Rivals 0 and Rivals 2)

[median plinth]

your choice of shadow or menace2 for last 2

I honestly don't think debt is free even with time piece. Cheap boons/health/poms at every shop make the runs much easier

[buoyant matrix]

unrivaled scylla is too hard for 16 fear imo
maybe i just hate that fight too much 😤

[craggy totem]

I feel like it's pretty free, especially with Boatman + Artificer

[median plinth]

I can see that, unrivaled scylla is a pain and you can take it off

[crude dragon]

I'd highly suggest devoting a few runs to learning those fights

[craggy totem]

Anyway here's wonderwall (no goddamn Rivals, screw you Rivals) https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwwLDAsMCwwLDEsMCwwLDYsMCwxLDIsMF0=

[broken creek]

A mid time piece + boatman means 1500 gold across the whole run, thats a boon per shop on debt2 with plenty leftover

[craggy totem]

If your runs all fall beneath 20min, Time 3 is in the bag

Especially if NO RIVALS

[broken creek]

Yk not including nemesis, room rewards, natural enemy drops, hermes money stuff, buried treasure

[median plinth]

I guess it's playstyle/skill dependent. in my climb to 50f I found myself almost always buying every health/restore/heart/dd because I just took so much damage

and even debt 1 meant sometimes I had to forgo

[craggy totem]

If you're not intending to climb Fear beyond the statue requirements, you don't need to learn Rivals, and therefore you'll take less damage :)

[bitter stirrup]

Before I went above 40 I told myself I'd do 24f with Frenzy Time Rivals to get used to it but for some reason I just went in half-blind to Rivals 4 on my first 40+ and got traumatized and never touched them again after a few clears

[buoyant matrix]

it's funny how that becomes less of an issue in 62 because healing is useless and you won't need more than 30 max hp by the end 😂

[crude dragon]

I mean, Unrivaled Chronos is a massive vibe check

[median plinth]

my most successful attempts on 62 so far have involved chaos granting door healing

so I obviously still am working on the skill piece

[paper marsh]

https://prnt.sc/Aniy4pXT4C_S W PHIAL

[shut needle]

sus

[cunning laurel]

yea use imgur if possible

[barren stirrup]

y guys think there will be anything like the hellmode in hades 1?

[unkempt zodiac]

Didn't hell mode do basically nothing other than unlock the pact early and reduce iframes?

You already get hell mode it's called dealing with eris in the first few runs 💀

[crude dragon]

I suspect that if they were gonna do so, they would have done so back on launch

[raw kraken]

It’s the only way to do 64 heat

It had that one heat pact that I forget the name of

[raw kraken]

If we were gonna get a nightmare mode or something like that it would’ve been in the game already

[jolly hound]

Personal liability

[unkempt zodiac]

Tbf, nobody is actually doing 64 heat bar a small community

[raw kraken]

Is that the I frame thing or something else

[jolly hound]

Yes, eliminates I frames after big hits. So hades lasers kill you twice as fast

[ebon sigil]

Ouch

[jolly shore]

just learnt that demeter’s legendary where enemies shatter at 10% health can fully skip eris’ last phase

[torn wind]

New discovery

Sea star can duplicate the elemental reward you can get from Narcissus

I'm sure somebody already knew that but I just discovered it

Got 4 of every element just now so I may actually be able to get Rallying cry for once

And choked on rivals scylla cause I had like no health and denial kinda screwed me

[spare wind]

Quite like the watch they released for hades 2 but man
400$?💀

[torn wind]

It's all designer stuff

It's an interesting choice to go that route for merch

[craggy totem]

I am once more expressing my desire for an irl arcana deck 🫡

[magic valve]

another nendoroid would be neat esp since theres only melinoe atm

moros or hecate and my soul is sold to hades 2

[torn wind]

“SUPERGIANT!! GIVE ME MORE NENDOROIDS, AND MY LIFE… IS YOURS!!!”

[fleet scarab]

hey, about the merchants recycling service.

it marks resources as needed if they can still be used

my question is does it only consider usable in the current context, or will the resources without the mark wont be needed at all in the future?

like will it mark them as needed even if its just needed for a future incantation or decor that I haven't unlocked yet

[torn wind]

All future uses

It will only remove things when you have crafted everything in the game that will possibly need it

[fleet scarab]

cool so I can recycle stuff without that mark without any worries

[torn wind]

Yep

When stuff is done being used the mark will go away and you know you’ll never need it again

[fleet scarab]

aight ez thanks

im about to get a ton of decor lol

[limpid oar]

Yeah personally that's way out of the budget I'd dedicate to any merch

[magic valve]

post game spoilers/question

||Is there anything you can get from giving nectar to Nyx? or is it just opportunity for more dialogue?||

[real scarab]

Just more dialogue

[torn wind]

||yeah she doesn’t have a keepsake or anything just accepts gifts a few times and that’s it. Nothing special comes from talking to her other than some situational dialogue about aspects and such||

[magic valve]

ahhhh okok, thanks ^^

[viral moat]

guess who just defeated Chronos!

I am a literal God!

||how many times do I have to defeat him...||

[tropic ravine]

|| a lot+the other one a lot as well ifykyk||

Game is looooooong

[viral moat]

https://tenor.com/view/kid-baby-child-girl-tired-gif-4871328261097149781

[tropic ravine]

Wow

[viral moat]

so I can't post gifs...good to know...

[magic valve]

||At least 7 times||

[tropic ravine]

Its good though

[viral moat]

I already feel like I am running out of dialogue lmao

[tropic ravine]

You have more times to play the game

[tropic ravine]

You have to unlock some stuff to unlock the dialogues

[viral moat]

||same as hades 1 I believe?||

[tropic ravine]

You’ll get it eventually

+speedrunning also adds a bunch of new things to do

[viral moat]

I mean I still have new dialogue, because this game is made by wizards that had no regard for their actors

it is just much shorter now lmao

[tropic ravine]

the amount of bosses you gotta defeat is more but the actual runs are shorter

I prefer that imo

[viral moat]

yeah I already got that lmao, beat the game in 22 mins

I can very consistently get to Chronos now

[tropic ravine]

By beat the game, you mean killing chronos once right

[viral moat]

even with a bad build and me making mistakes lmao

[tropic ravine]

Nvm dumb question

[viral moat]

"beat a run" I should say lmao

[tropic ravine]

And also do you use god mode perchance

[viral moat]

nope

[tropic ravine]

Wow

[viral moat]

doing this all proper

[tropic ravine]

God mode doesn’t mean improper

[viral moat]

ik

[tropic ravine]

Also how is that possible

[viral moat]

just that you get stronger every run

[tropic ravine]

I Genuinely think you’re the best beginner

Beating a run in 22 mins

[viral moat]

much like the driving crooner I am simply "too good"

[tropic ravine]

You skipped the learning curve part

[viral moat]

I mean I also played like 70 hours of hades 1, and 25 hours in this game lmao

[magic valve]

dudes just built different

[viral moat]

my play style is also extremely agressive

[torn wind]

Being a beginner to H2 doesn’t mean somebody is a beginner to action roguelites

I mean some people just have a natural skill for the genre or experience from other games

Also time is pretty subjective early on since a lot of people early on just don’t bother with it or don’t know what causes the timer to pause

22 minutes early on is still impressive though

[rough lintel]

Just got plus 28 kings ransom

[torn wind]

Denial would never let me get that lol

Or at least would make it quite annoying to do so

[bitter stirrup]

I would simply get King's Ransom in the Fields miniboss before Echo and would simply get Pom Pom Pom

[merry echo]

Hello zagreus

[echo heath]

Out of curiosity, did anyone here end up ordering the last set of supergroupies stuff for H1? I'm very heavily tempted to check out the H2 line but the price tag is incredibly high like before, and unless the quality is insane idk if it's worth lol

[nocturne topaz]

me when hermes legendary pops out of no where on the last shop 🥹 with 4k coins

with vow of rivals 4

[torn wind]

It's very much designer stuff with the jacket specifically being called a "model jacket" so yeah it's out of the price range for probably the majority of the people here

[torn wind]

Boy do I love specifically building for three gods in ephyra and then literally never seeing two of them for the entirety of thessaly

And ONLY getting the other god that I took because they were an option

I JUST WANTED MY DAMN STABBING RUSH COFFIN NAIL CUTTING EDGE

Is that too much to ask, game? Instead you give me a million demeter and apollo boons and not a single damn ares

[crude dragon]

I mean, that's just Thessaly

[torn wind]

The game loves to taunt me with great build possibilities then stab me in the gut by letting me have none of it

[craggy totem]

Thessaly is like if you took Erebus and made the enemies and environments Mean

[torn wind]

And then gave you half the rewards

[jolly hound]

It should be difficult to summon exodia

[plain bronze]

I've been rolling Time Piece for Thessaly so at least all those bones/ashes become somewhat useful

[jolly hound]

Artificer and Chrolex both need to eat

[tropic ravine]

Hello, my good shade!

[tropic ravine]

Ohhh I thought’s you said you have 22 minutes of game time

[viral moat]

No lmao

[glossy shadow]

That would be wack, early runs have super debuffs to keep first night victories from being, like, feasible

[tropic ravine]

Yeah, that’s what I was thinking

It does feel kinda cheap though

[glossy shadow]

I'm w u, reasonable misunderstanding in context

[tropic ravine]

Is it just me or is this game so popular yet so unknown

Like 2x goty nominations and not much people came from it

[glossy shadow]

If you can hone that to pull it off consistently, trend, you can just live with the vow of time limit on for free fear points

[tropic ravine]

Wdym

[jolly hound]

it sold 3 million copies on steam, that’s not bad

[glossy shadow]

Vow of time, 9/7/5 minute time limit per zone

If you can consistently beat the game in a half hour across 4 zones you can live with time 1 active. 25 minutes would be tighter but you can live in time 2

[tropic ravine]

No I mean like how is it related

Are you talking to me or someone else

[broken creek]

Its very doable

Actually pretty easy just dodge Eris debuff

[tropic ravine]

Yeah, like I said it’s really popular but like the community is not active for that amount of purchases

[broken creek]

Its frenzy0 so everything is a snail

[tropic ravine]

Eris rebuff is only on the first run right

[broken creek]

First like 8-10

You avoid it if you enter a region at <50% hp and no dds

[glossy shadow]

22 is a good time and I'm shilling "NOW GET CONSISTENT!!!"

[broken creek]

Ive done 2 fresh file clears, I think both even got the Eris debuff by tartarus

[jolly hound]

It’s a one player game, there’s far less need to be on discord to find homies to play with compared to say, helldivers or lol or whatever

[onyx meteor]

Is attacking out of sprint the same thing as dash attack?

[buoyant matrix]

yep, though it can get finicky sometimes if you're using auto sprint

[tropic ravine]

Yh fair enough lol

[weak thunder]

i just got black coat

[swift kiln]

Diana II on twitter made a very cool Macaria fanart

[craggy totem]

Best weapon :D

[weak thunder]

the blue torch one is also really good

[rough lintel]

10% crit is crazy

[crude dragon]

Shame it's not global, but it's still solid

[frank karma]

Reminiscing on the days when Glorious disaster wasn't a piece of poop

This boon is so ass

[crude dragon]

Was there a point in time where it wasn't?

[frank karma]

Yeah there was a time when it did like 2.5x or so more damage than it does now

I don't remember the exact number but It did a lot more damage than it does now. (I'm like 90% sure it used to do 50 per bolt instead of the 20 it does now)

[plain bronze]

Just did my first hitless Typhon! I can't imagine pulling that off on Rivals 4 though.

[hearty fog]

The only time I remember GD being usable was when Charon procced it.

[worn barn]

I just had a dual-duo boon reward screen, but the way it worked out was that Apollo popped up and gave me zeus-apollo duo dialogue, and then Zeus showed up, called Apollo his niece/her, and then gave me a reward screen where the female god was.... hera?

does the zeus/apollo duo boon dialogue usually have zeus call apollo a woman?

[craggy totem]

Zeus was talking to Melinoe

[worn barn]

oh that tracks, cheers, don't know how i missed that

[bitter stirrup]

Just got Fig scammed, Dionysus scammed, and Athena scammed which led me to time out and die to Promecles on 55

My solution is to remove Promecles and add Hordes 3 and simply not get Fig scammed

Also I recant my statement on surface being substantially harder just because Rivals 2 is that much easier on surface

[plain bronze]

About half of my damage every run is from those beefy black Olympus robots appearing in Thessaly thanks to the Menace vow. They easily tank whatever AOE I typically have at that point and then their pink laser projectiles suddenly fly through the crowd and hit me before I notice them.

[jolly hound]

try to stick to the middle of the boat so you can see em and take cover as needed but yeah, i have this problem too

[crude dragon]

May I also recommend trying to get a Hitch source and always taking Knuckle Bones into Olympus?

[broken creek]

Dubious solution thats gonna make it worse

Hoards3 on surface is actually evil

[broken glen]

10 million Thessaly autowatchers

[crude dragon]

200 Ephyra Anchors

[bitter stirrup]

Yeah I knew I should've known better to not fill my pool with Aphro for weak in Ephyra shop, shoulda held out for Hera (hadn't played Rivals 3 in so long lol)

[bitter stirrup]

I'm not gonna get Fig scammed and gonna get all Artemis Heracles Medea Circe and Dio trust

puts on clown mask

[crude dragon]

Oh, you'll get Heracles, all right

In Thessaly

:3

[broken creek]

Woes of a useless ephyra that only has the long rooms

[jolly hound]

love this new hordes 3 guy keep doing you homie

[broken creek]

isnt a rivals2 55 basically a 60+

since if you drop promaclese thats a ton of fear gone

[bitter stirrup]

The illusion of choice: time out because of 5 billion autoseekers or time out because of playing bossfights too safe

[broken creek]

yeah its literally everything but void just play 62 atp

[bitter stirrup]

I like my final boss being a victory lap instead of a heart attack

[broken creek]

typhon is not hard 😭

plus rivals2 55 means you have to do pain3 scars3 like why

[bitter stirrup]

My whole strategy depends on rerolling Athena to give me Renewed Faith in Olympus or Summit

Though in my 50 I can't remember if it was Pain 2 or 3 with Scars 3

[broken creek]

rerolls at 55+ 🥀

[vestal crest]

I'm almost done with every testament

Just four left

[neon burrow]

just wanted to thank the SGG team for patching the ending. I was so incredibly disappointed with the original, but I'm finally playing through the new ending now, and it's much better. I know chances of a second post-release patch are low (and that I might be speaking prematurely since I haven't seen the epilogue yet), but I would love to see more character development for Prometheus and a longer Surface ending storyline in general. Would also love to go back to the house of hades and the palace after the ending, but everyone's already been saying that lol. It'd be nice to be able to stroll into the palace after the epilogue and start new minor storylines with the other olympians

[limber ice]

wait whats the new ending

[buoyant matrix]

#hades2-patch-notes message

[limber ice]

i meant moreso a brief summary

[buoyant matrix]

added/changed a few lines with ||zagreus|| whenever you beat chronos, then changed a ton lines after the final underworld run and added a few extra scenes

[limber ice]

no i mean like is the ending significantly different

like are there any notable details now?

[buoyant matrix]

the main differences are that mel has significantly more agency in what happens and also ||everyone in the house of hades now remembers the alternate timeline where chronos became a good guy||, it's pretty much still the same

[limber ice]

i just remember
||we spare chronos by forced memory fillage
he sends us to alternate timelines to kill the bad chronos
||

[buoyant matrix]

yeah it's still that but with a much much better buildup and delivery

[limber ice]

ah i see

i do kinda wish we had different endings

but i can see why that isnt the case

[bitter stirrup]

God I hate Icarus so much

He spawns in 5 Anchors Satyr Sappers and AutoForcers just to give me Explosive Intent, Supply Chain on Scars 3, and Ingenious Strike

[elfin heron]

what happens if you chant the return to a real possibility incantation? I don't really get it

does it nuke my progress or is it just rewatching the ending

[buoyant matrix]

no, it just unlocks the option to nuke your progress

[elfin heron]

why the hell would I want to do that

[buoyant matrix]

they put it there for all the players who got the original ending right after 1.0 launch

if you started playing after the story patch, there's no reason to do it

[elfin heron]

should've only made it show up for those players, it's confusing

but I suppose if you beat the game too quickly, you can miss out on some dialog? so the rewind can be useful for that?

[buoyant matrix]

well a lot of people wished they could've gone back to zeus' palace so it's probably that too

[buoyant matrix]

it rewinds your progress to the point where you have seen both chronos and typhon but have yet to beat either of them even once

[elfin heron]

I wish I walked around the House of Hades a bit more, it looked like you could possibly explore the garden, but then I triggered the chariot ride

though I guess it's just a carbon copy of the first game's hub

[leaden plume]

Say, what god and or greek character you'd like to see in a potential future hades game? For me it would be perseus

[cunning laurel]

id like to see midas or argus drawn in this style

[magic valve]

I’d love to see Iris…

I think she could’ve fit rlly well into hades 2 but if she appears in a future title im happy

[elfin heron]

don't know if they can pull of a third Hades game, 2 already had trouble standing out from 1

but idk, they could make an Atlantis game or something, like the last days of Atlantis

[buoyant matrix]

gaia

[magic valve]

I think the games stand out from each other fine personally, and all the similarities are just like… part of being a direct sequel

[elfin heron]

I mean, where do you even go with a third game? oh turns out they had a third kid, and turns out there's some other antagonist attacking the house, that's gonna feel so contrived

[magic valve]

could just… not have another antagonist attack the house lol

[elfin heron]

maybe a prequel where you play as a younger Hades building his house, that could work I guess

[leaden plume]

Yea a prequel doesnt sound half bad

[elfin heron]

who was in charge of the underworld before Hades was appointed anyway? in the mythology? he could fight that

[magic valve]

iirc, in the lore of hades Nyx was residing over the underworld before hades came along

but I don’t think anyone would wanna fight Nyx lol

[elfin heron]

well then you could frame it as him trying to prove his worth to Nyx

[magic valve]

I personally wouldn’t mind some kind of spinoff or smth based on a new cast or not focused on the hades line, but I get that could be hard considering… the name of the game

nyx line game w chthonic boons or smth

[leaden plume]

Maybe they could pull a god of war and have them branch out to other mythologies?

[elfin heron]

I watched the making of video and the original protagonist was supposed to be Theseus (exploring the labyrinth, hence the roguelike mechanics), but then they figured it would be just a boring ancient Greek dude, like in all the other media

and chose Zagreus instead

also, funny thing, Zagreus is not a professional VA, it's just their composer lol

this really surprised me

[leaden plume]

And he voices like, a quarter of the characters

At least in the first game

[elfin heron]

oh really?

[bitter stirrup]

Darren Korb voices Zagreus, Skelly, Orpheus (singing voice only), Schelemeus, and Narcissus

Logan Cunningham is the other guy who voices like a billion characters

[elfin heron]

Megaera's VA is also really good, but it looks like Hades is the only video game she starred in

shame

[leaden plume]

She might get more roles, i hope

[bitter stirrup]

Hades, Achilles, Charon, Narrator/Homer, Poseidon, Asterius, Polyphemus, Chronos, and Typhon are all the same guy

[elfin heron]

btw, is that single line in Hades 2's ending slideshow where Megaera speaks also this actress or someone else

[bitter stirrup]

I would assume Orpheus, Than, Meg, and Dusa all got the voice actors to do singular lines/words for that ending cutscene lol

They could also just be reused from the first game

[elfin heron]

maybe they just reused some lines from 1, idk

[leaden plume]

Shame we couldn't talk to them, but I understand why

[elfin heron]

you can talk to Achilles for a bit during the ending, he has a portrait and even a journal entry

[leaden plume]

But still, id like to see the other characters more especially dusa since shes my favourite character but but I wont let that nick pick ruin my love for hades 2

[elfin heron]

we already have Dora fulfilling the same role, but yeah

[leaden plume]

Yea she serves the "dusa" role well

[sterile prism]

Lowkey ngl, they need to make an arpg

Can you imagine just how insane something like that would be

Or even an MMO in the top down style

[wise wave]

She appeared in God of War series as a Miniboss

[buoyant matrix]

meg wasn't a miniboss, she was a full bossfight

[wise wave]

Oh cool, you'v played that game before?

[buoyant matrix]

yep

[marsh karma]

I achieved 11k damage in one single hit with Hera's hex

[median plinth]

I think first time I've ever seen that voice line. After increasing my fear from 36 to 62, skele yells out "are you daft?!" got a chuckle

[slim pike]

They're talking about the VA

[merry whale]

good thing there's no exclusive dialogue for clearing 62 or 67 fear like "mel have u tried touching grass"

[craggy totem]

She touches grass all the time! (to gather ingredients for incantations)

[merry whale]

truu

[jolly hound]

There is “who am I trying to impress” when you set the fear above 40 and I’ve yet to come up with a good answer to that

[craggy totem]

Nemesis, obviously

[merry whale]

schelemeus and the suspicious sixty seven shaped statue

(it's just skelly statue from h1)

[final saddle]

The highest I wanna go is the last statue

[craggy totem]

You do get a special victory screen title if you do 40F, but nothing beyond that

[final saddle]

Somehow I got 1 and 2 without too much effort, so I feel like I can crank it up, just gotta find out how to do that well

[merry whale]

ye 32f/24f is fairly achieveable

[final saddle]

Oh btw what’s the fear req for the free resources in the Summit/Tartarus?

[craggy totem]

12

[final saddle]

Excellent

[buoyant matrix]

that one is my favorite

he also has others like "let's think about this here"

[elfin heron]

what's the credits song called, the Artemix & Apollo one

[bitter stirrup]

Time Belongs To Us

[elfin heron]

thanks

I like the crossroads version more

another question, is the infernal scroll boss scaled to the region you meet him in? or is it always the same stats?

[craggy totem]

Same stats iirc, so don't take the fight early

[elfin heron]

yeah I tried it in Oceanus, and with an axe to boot lmao

almost won though

[craggy totem]

Well, if you're running Underworld, Oceanus is the latest you can get it anyway

No midshops in Fields/Tartarus

[elfin heron]

well, I'll melt him with moros I guess

but hey, don't fields have a midshop?? pretty sure they do

[buoyant matrix]

only appears in fresh file and the final story run

[elfin heron]

think I saw it in a chaos trial

[buoyant matrix]

ah right those too

but i doubt the contract spawns in trials

[elfin heron]

why doesn't the shop spawn normally though? because Echo takes this slot?

[buoyant matrix]

yep

the usual fields layout which you should be seeing in 90% of runs is
2 reward room, miniboss, echo, 3 reward room

[elfin heron]

btw does the storyline with her and Narcissus go anywhere, or is it just fluff

[buoyant matrix]

rarely you can get 3-3 or 2-2 and even more rarely you can get scammed out of echo

[buoyant matrix]

none of the storylines go anywhere in hades 2 😂

[elfin heron]

idk, the Dora x Prometheus one seems promising, I just chanted the incantation and she ran away, wonder what happens next

[buoyant matrix]

oh actually yeah that was decent

[elfin heron]

oh and about the shop slot, how come in Oceanus that slot can be either Narcissus or Charon, but in the fields Echo always takes priority

is it a bug/oversight

[buoyant matrix]

it's not narc or shop, you can get both in the same run

it's just that since oceanus is short, they regularly overlap

[elfin heron]

hmmm

you sure you can get Narc AND 2 Charon's?

[buoyant matrix]

2 charons? you mean midshop and endshop?

[elfin heron]

yeah

[crude dragon]

Yes

[buoyant matrix]

yes

[jolly hound]

It’s improbable but doable and a speed runners dream

[elfin heron]

really? it's hard to get enough money to make both shops meaningful

[jolly hound]

Chrolex

[elfin heron]

thought you meant fresh file speedruns

[jolly hound]

nah just general going fast

and if you’re going for fast as possible, fresh file or not, you always take the free room

[elfin heron]

yeah there's a fear option for going fast

haven't tried that yet though

[jolly hound]

timer 3 is free with frenzy 2

and this is more about the people who are doing it in under 10 min

[elfin heron]

so there's that melinoe axe chaos trial, where you get a build that one shots everything in a wide aoe just with the regular attack, like 2k damage

can you actually build that in a regular run

[jolly hound]

yep, chaos trials exist to give you ideas

[elfin heron]

I feel like you'll need a lot of luck

[jolly hound]

Apollo attack to start and maybe some crit chance

will you get the exact same build prob not but you can use it as inspiration

[elfin heron]

it has that hammer where you always do the nergal attack + it hits twice so it goes through shields

and the aoe is really wide, you bonk once and half of the room is dead

[jolly hound]

attack speed matters more on axes

like for Charon your best hammer is sudden cleaver

Nergal’s first choice is probably psychic whirlwind but rapid hack does work too

[buoyant matrix]

wrong, giga cleaver

[craggy totem]

You don't really need chrolex just to use both midshop and endshop in Oceanus tbh. Boatman start is enough.

Mind you, sometimes I do find myself skint after Oceanus :P

[jolly hound]

Been running debt 2 lately, fair point

that or travel deal from Hermes

[craggy totem]

Yeah that's a big jump, the Debt 2

[jolly hound]

Vow of hyperinflation sucks for everyone

[jolly hound]

I’d go sudden over giga but it’s close

[old veldt]

if ur using charon with giga do u try to get in 2 casts every special? or is it just for the dmg boost

[jolly hound]

I haven’t had much luck getting second cast in position but not sure if it’s a skill issue or just not possible

[jolly hound]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyWBeQzmtZg heres a mel axe freight train run

[broken glen]

I mean I wouldn’t recommend going for it EVERY special, as you’re prone to get hit, but if you’re in a safe spot go for it

[paper marsh]

whats the purpose of spending kudos at the bartender?

[crude dragon]

Endgame resource sink

[paper marsh]

yeah but what does it do exactly

[jolly hound]

raises your rank, there’s 50 total ranks, it serves no purpose except nyx calls you by your rank when you see her in chaos rooms. literally only exists as a vanity metric

[frank karma]

what can i do with Circe besides storm ring thats strong? i know strom ring is really strong but i wanna branch out.

[buoyant matrix]

smolder ring and anvil ring

some people like tidal too

[frank karma]

Ohh smolder ring sounds fun. i feel like id want winners circle to make anvil ring really pop though

[buoyant matrix]

nah double anvil with jpom is great

[frank karma]

jpom?

[buoyant matrix]

post credits keepsake

[frank karma]

ah. dont have it yet

[frank karma]

i heard that tidal ring is kinda weird/buggy with circe

[buoyant matrix]

overlapping casts only hit once

hence why I'm not a fan

[frank karma]

thats not a porblem with the ring effects themselves though. only tidal and omega casts right?

[buoyant matrix]

tidal yes, dunno about ocasts

[frank karma]

ill experiment on skelly gimme a sec. Ill report back with my findings

yeah seems like the Ocast only hits once as well

there goes geyser spout circe

rip

wait im wrong

it does work with Ocast

Geyser spout is viable on circe

[short raft]

Is Eos' Omega cloud affected by Attack speed?

[buoyant matrix]

it can come out faster with channeling speed

[short raft]

but the cloud itself does not attack faster, no?

[real scarab]

Nope, its tick rate is not affected by anything afaik

Same as anubis damage fields

[short raft]

sad

[frank karma]

Damn trick knives is really strong

i wonder whats the best special/s to use if you wanna acutally do a build around trick knives?

[merry whale]

basically anything

hera special is the popular one cuz u just get stupid room clear

scorch special is also cracked for scorch stacking

[proper seal]

Reaper Knives and Hidden Knives make it chaotic

but the twin blade hammers in general theyre all good

[jolly hound]

tbh it’s either get trick knives and win or don’t and lose

I may just be bad tho

I’ve had some success with wicked onslaught (20 power more) with aphro attack somehow but I wouldn’t rely on that as a game plan

[frank karma]

zues is perfect anywhere so i minagine blitz specials would also be very good

[merry whale]

ye zeus also good

[frank karma]

idk if this is a hot take or not. but i don't particularly care for the Coat

like its just not as good/fun as the other weapons

[craggy totem]

Dash strike more, use on-hit effects, and don't fall into the omega attack newbie trap

[frank karma]

Shiva is pretty good but the rest of the aspects dont feel like they really fill a niche as much as they just have a gimmick

like yeah dash strike builds feels like the only good thing you can do with pretty much every aspects besides shiva

[craggy totem]

That's not a take, that's you mistaking a preference for a take :P

People also build into special-spam playstyles, though I don't love those myself.

[frank karma]

yeah i just dont find myself having as much fun with the coat as i do with the other arms. its okay but like. eh most builds with the coat feel samey.

[craggy totem]

If you are only doing a limited type of build, then yes, that will feel samey.

[frank karma]

but thats just the thing. the coat feels so limiting

[craggy totem]

In what way

[frank karma]

the specials kinda just suck, and the Oattack, like you said doesnt really lend itself to builds around it

[craggy totem]

The specials don't suck though

[frank karma]

the dash strike is kinda the only good part of the moveset

[craggy totem]

You're doing 60 damage minimum per normal special, and it's a move that you can do simultaneously with your attack

Omega special is the cheapest and fastest omega move in the entire game

Shimmering Rockets spreads your curse or your powerful on-hit damage across the entire encounter

There is a reason that "special-spam playstyles" are a thing, and it aint because people love moves that suck

[frank karma]

maybe i just havent given it a proper chance since the olympic update.

so whats good for specials? on hit effects like scorch and splash?

[craggy totem]

On-hits and curses are both good

[frank karma]

Zues is good on everything so maybe ill give blitz specials a try

[cunning laurel]

yup that or hitch

[craggy totem]

It's also a fairly funny way of proccing Heinous Affront if you want to do that 😂

But yeah it's honestly pretty flexible

[frank karma]

thats good to hear. i tried the specials a couple times when the coat first came out and it felt pretty weak but that was a long time ago

so maybe its time i give the coat another shot

Ares is the godsent for aspect of selene right?

[craggy totem]

Yep

[cunning laurel]

shimmering rockets is easily its best hammer if you arent taking it

[frank karma]

I do remeber i did a funny Oattack build when it first came out and i was okay

[craggy totem]

Its non-oattack hammers are honestly all pretty dang solid