h2-discussion

[torn wind]

Since ephyra lets you see everybody

[dry whale]

Imo rivals 4 surface is an easy 12 fear until 32+

[brisk bison]

That's true... I've just gotten horribly screwed by denial every time I've taken it

[torn wind]

So you can figure out what you’re fine with denying before even picking anything

Underworld it can be a little more annoying if you don’t get anything for a certain slot

[brisk bison]

I don't think I've actually tried denial on surface

[torn wind]

It’s goated for ephyra

[dry whale]

I love ephyra, it makes the start of the run so interesting

[torn wind]

Lets you do a ton of build crafting right away

I literally get to ephyra, formulate a build in my head, and then reset if it’s ass

[brisk bison]

Ephyra is genuinely the best region out of both H1 and H2

[torn wind]

Literal buffet

[dry whale]

I have a soft spot for elysium personally

[torn wind]

And the extra loot from houses is great if you don’t care too much about time

[brisk bison]

Oh I get you, especially in terms of aesthetic appeal

[torn wind]

I usually can clear every house and beat rivals poly with around 30 to a minute to spare unless I’m really slow

[brisk bison]

I meant more in terms of gameplay/mechanical interest

[dry whale]

Yesss and it has patroclus whos my favourite character from the first game

[brisk bison]

PATTY MY BOY

[torn wind]

Ephyra and fields are both very creative mechanically as an expansion of concepts on the first game

[brisk bison]

[dry whale]

I loveeee patroclus

[dry whale]

Fields can annoy me sometimes but i agree

[brisk bison]

Absolutely!! I feel like fields is a very creative idea but in practice it can be really annoying

[torn wind]

Fields really helps to try and memorize layouts so you don’t spend a ton of time backtracking

[brisk bison]

I do like tartarus in H2

[torn wind]

Or just take mercury

[dry whale]

My favourite hades 2 area is olympus for sure

Mainly cuz of the ost

[torn wind]

NYYOOOOOM

[brisk bison]

lowkey I cried the first time I got past the rift because I was not expecting the absolute beauty that is that soundtrack

[torn wind]

I remember getting to Olympus and being confused by the launch pads like everybody else since I thought it was like Tartarus

[brisk bison]

I thank heaven every day for the birth of Darren Korb and Austin Wintory

[dry whale]

Olympus aflame is top 3 ost for me

[torn wind]

That the launch pads progressed you forward and the doors just gave you extra rewards but didn’t move you forward

[dry whale]

#1 is witch of changing for me

[torn wind]

Technically “The Unseen Ones” isn’t Hades 2 OST but it’s goated

I also love that there’s the Easter egg if you put the credits song on at camp and then Artemis shows up

[dry whale]

Bewitchin eyes is so goated too i listen to it alot

[brisk bison]

Olympus Aflame is absolutely phenomenal
Mountain of the Gods is the one unironically that moved me to tears the first few times I heard it

[torn wind]

Sadly she won’t start singing to the credits song if you change to it while she’s at camp

You need to already be playing it

[brisk bison]

OH Sightless Shepherd and Doomed City are both bangers

[torn wind]

About to try a 46 fear surface with rivals 4

Circe staff cause crutch lol

[dry whale]

MY FAVOURITE

Good luck

[torn wind]

I had a 50 fear surface on Moros that I choked so badly

[brisk bison]

NOOOO

[dry whale]

that one part of sightless sheperd....peak

[torn wind]

Just ate it on the final area for some reason

[craggy totem]

Sightless Shepherd 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🪈

[brisk bison]

Also I've really come to appreciate The End of Time... that drum is something else

[dry whale]

Im not a huge fan but its good

I love medeas theme

[proper seal]

almost done maxxing my bond with hecate to check off another list from the prophecy

[brisk bison]

There aren't really any bad songs in the soundtrack lol
The songs in Rift of Thessaly kinda got a little old for me because of how much I grinded out of EA before Olympus (and how enraging the region was to me at the time)) but they're still good

[proper seal]

Tartarus theme my personal favorite

[brisk bison]

OH medea's and circe's are both really fun :DD

[dry whale]

Yesss

Circes my fav character i love her theme

[torn wind]

Medea makes me feel bad at the game

[proper seal]

I can never go wrong with the tartarus theme its so good

could be my number 1 song of the year for spotify hehe

[dry whale]

Its good

[brisk bison]

Tartarus theme is good!!

[brisk bison]

OH the weapon, right??

[dry whale]

Its so hard dividin my time between hades 2 and my hollow knight replay

[brisk bison]

I used to feel so skill issued with it until one time I was in a discord call with someone who was pretty nuts at high fear (this was during the week-or-so period when they increased the number of skulls from 3 to 5 and skulls were busted)
If you want a life-hack and don't already happen to know, spamming attack then special really quickly while facing a wall lets you explode a lot of skulls without having to deal with the endlag from special

[dry whale]

My fav skull is hel

[torn wind]

Yes lol

[proper seal]

aspect of medea is fun

but its not easy to use

[jolly hound]

it clicked once I remapped controller and didn’t need to move my thumb to load - dash

[torn wind]

Keyboard >

[brisk bison]

I don't know if I can do keyboard

I mean

I could but I feel like H2 would mostly feel better with a controller

[torn wind]

It gives you so many more options due to the added freedom of separated aiming and movement

[brisk bison]

That's true... I like the controller feel though

I remember someone in this discord doing left joycon and mouse

That would probably be pretty nice tbh

[torn wind]

Oh yeah can you use the switch 2 mouse controls?

That’s a thing?

[hasty ocean]

I wish we could use the right-stick on controller to aim, the torches cry out for twin stick controls

[torn wind]

Oh absolutely they're SO much better on keyboard

ANNNNDDD just threw a good run cause I'm bad at fighting ||zag||

[dry whale]

I hate that fight

[torn wind]

It's not a hard fight I just always choke on it

You can just run away from him just I get greedy

[proper seal]

|| Zagreus || is the equivalent of Charon from Hades 1

[jolly hound]

Charon not chaos

[proper seal]

yea I made a typo

[torn wind]

Charon is absolutely harder in so many ways

But mechanically yeah he's the H2 analog for Charon

[final saddle]

I find ||Zag|| harder

At least how I play at frenzy 2

At the slower pace Mel dodges at I get hit by so many of his super fast moves, and fighting him early (which if I’m gonna fight them it’s gonna be in area 1) ||Zag|| always takes more health off of me than Charon

[stark lance]

Shiva feels so utterly unusual to use

[craggy totem]

Yeah, you really can't play it like a normal coat, even though it looks deceptively similar at a glance

[stark lance]

Agony

How the hell do I beat Chronos with this creature

[craggy totem]

1. don't dash strike
2. don't try to spam attack+special together cos that'll just end up canceling one
3. actually use your omegas for once when you get the chance

I say all this but I am also bad at breaking my normal-coat habits and bad at Shiva 😆

[stark lance]

No like the damage is there, I figured out the loop in the first couple of chambers, the problem is, I need to stop, and I am on Haste 2 + Rivals out here :agony:

[craggy totem]

dfggfhfghfgh

[stark lance]

Not my brightest moment to do 32 Fear on the first run with this thing

[craggy totem]

LMAO

[stark lance]

Wait

Reviving the hour glasses from Phase 2 with the hex heals you oh my lord this is hilarious

Wait this Aspect is disgustingly strong holy

[craggy totem]

Yes haha

[solid epoch]

humbly does a quarter of the bosses health:
also I just maxed out shiva so I gotta give that a shot lol

Only 11 achievements to go!
I AM going for 100%, and will be the first game I've done a true 100% of

[still mantle]

Yep, rivals eris STILL sucks

[torn wind]

Still would take her over rivals scylla any day

[stark lance]

I do not know what I did, maybe I applied enough debuffs for a charged Omega Attack to discombobulate Chronos phase 3, but I just saw his healthbar go from 80% to 30% and instinctually heard a metal pipe drop in my head

[solid epoch]

if you had higher levels of destruction that will do comical amounts of damage
also things like backstab can stack, and oh my-

[torn wind]

https://tenor.com/view/basketball-gif-11923006373058498721

[solid epoch]

I personally like her more than regular
imo attacks are far easier to dodge, and the fire bombs on the ground can be shot at so long as you have an actual ranged attack

[torn wind]

Rivals Eris is a lesson in patience on any axe

[still mantle]

I can consistently nohit regular Eris.

[stark lance]

I had Aphrodite's Attack and Special along with a bunch of other stuff, I also got a D I S G U S T I N G anvil

[solid epoch]

oh my-
at that point that's just a nuclear bomb

rather a hydrogen bomb

[stark lance]

Does the extra health fear pact also apply to bosses?

[solid epoch]

yeah..
why?

[stark lance]

I never actually opened up my eyes to check

[stark lance]

Because that means I just BOMBA'd Fear pact Chronos with 30% extra health lmfao

[solid epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/help-gif-9858523764566581784

bruh

that's absurd tho omd

[stark lance]

I need to reinstall Shadowplay so I can clip those moments

[solid epoch]

lol fs

[stark lance]

How much health does Chronos have on third phase

Still 20K?

[solid epoch]

great question
tried to fight him on vor
lost 3 death defy and died in 10 seconds

[stark lance]

Ok so on Phase 3 he has 26K health

[solid epoch]

I had shiva and was not prepared for a THIRD phase

[stark lance]

30% of 26K is 7.8K

[solid epoch]

oh my-

[stark lance]

So in total we can just say 34K health. D-Did I somehow stack enough effects to do like 15K damage

You know what, in situations like these we just breathe in and say, thank you Gigaros Dash

[solid epoch]

that is absurd holy-
gigaros dash our lord and savior

[stark lance]

I'll ask the boys in the modding Discord what it takes to make a sound mod, need to replace the Omega attack sound with a metal pipe

[solid epoch]

YES
I need that

I'm a shiva enthusiast

[still mantle]

Me getting old grudge, deep dissent, or howling soul every single time

[stark lance]

I am not, never touching this thing again

[still mantle]

Howling soul is useless on a not cast build

[stark lance]

To be fair I kinda just auto pilot the piggy keepsake every run so I end up with rerolls whenever Judgement drops

[still mantle]

Aight time to obliterate ||zag||

Nevermind

He's really just "kill him quickly before he kills you quickly"

[stark lance]

Nah, he is literally a range check, if you play melee he's a problem but you can kite him if you have ANY ranged attack. Pretty much free on torches, Lim and Oros, Coat

[torn wind]

Can anybody tell me if ecstatic obsession works on rivals prometheus...

It's either that or sweet surrender and I doubt I can charm a boss

Okay nevermind just found a guide and yeah can't affect guardians or wardens

Bro I never realized you can view your path of stars ahead of time

How did I never conisder mousing over it and clicking for info

[crude dragon]

It'd only work on the adds

[torn wind]

it would be cool if it at least still gave you the damage buff

[proper seal]

wait I have a question

[torn wind]

Died to the dodging skill-check on rivals typhon RIP

[proper seal]

would using moro's keepsake help with finding the || Three Fates? ||

[torn wind]

Moros's keepsake ||is literally how you find the three fates that's what the prophecy says||

[proper seal]

im so stupid

I still gotta complete the seek us prophecy

[solid epoch]

|| You can only find them once you have the prophecy though, from what I've heard if you try before getting the prophecy you get a secret voiceline ||

[proper seal]

ok im going to equip strength to do the prophecy

since moro's keepsake will help complete what I need to do

[bitter stirrup]

Easiest way to do it is using the Chaos Trial of Doom

[torn wind]

Yeah skips you straight to oceanus

[cunning laurel]

well its easier with death

[proper seal]

oh sick I havent done that one so that helps

[final saddle]

I was right and wrong about Rivals Prometheus and now I’m scared

Just walked in the door for the first time of that fight lol

[proper seal]

good luck its very chaotic

[exotic gate]

what.

[proper seal]

you can always do that

[cunning laurel]

like before you pick up a path??

[final saddle]

That wasn’t so bad

A little scary but I gave it the old Theseus and Asterius treatment from the start

[proper seal]

ehh it depends on what attacks they use, sometimes they spam the same attacks

Theseus gives me PTSD

[final saddle]

I’m assuming that’s the strat btw? Big dude first then the “main” boss?

[craggy totem]

People have different preferences

However, what I have heard is that Herc has more difficult-to-deal-with moves after his health reaches a certain threshold, so...

[proper seal]

well there are different ways to fight them, I go for || Heracles || first personally since he's annoying

[final saddle]

Dealing with ||Herakles|| while Prometheus does the wave attack sounds like a pain

[craggy totem]

Nah. He moves slow and it's easy to track him out of the corner of your eye.

Just sort of calmly sprint away from him 😆

[cunning laurel]

yea he never really does that much

[final saddle]

Oh so he’s literally just Asterius

[craggy totem]

Personally I prefer to focus on our main event first, as long as it doesn't entail going too far out of my way or into untenable danger, and then mop up his boyfriend afterward.

[final saddle]

I’ll have to experiment

[bitter stirrup]

Most guides recommend focusing on Prometheus and leaving Heracles alone for the most part, but it's tough to do that when you're facing timer

[final saddle]

But the fact I improved it on my worst weapon (the axe) makes me think I can at least react to what they do

Better than Rival Cerberus on that part

[dry whale]

Whats ur best weapon

[proper seal]

OH I DID IT

I did the || epilogue ||

that was easier than I expected it to be

[timid vigil]

Did you || talk to Hecate already or just talked to the fates? ||

[proper seal]

|| The Three Fates ||

[timid vigil]

You can now max your relationship with Hecate

Do it, cool extra scene

[proper seal]

LETS GOOOOOOOO

[timid vigil]

It's probably the best part of the epilogue

I guess it's like a post epilogue

Anyway it's a great scene

[supple ether]

This is so funny to me that i no hit chronos

Elite lamia was biggest damage dealer(30)

[proper seal]

|| HECATE IS MELINOE'S MOTHER??? ||

|| But wha- who- what- where- when- why- how- ||

[timid vigil]

What

[proper seal]

I talked to Hecate

[timid vigil]

Did you finish the bath scene?

[proper seal]

yep

[timid vigil]

So

|| Hecate is melinoe actually ||

[crude dragon]

No

[proper seal]

|| WAIT REALLY? ||

[timid vigil]

Yeah she explains it pretty clearly I think

[crude dragon]

||She's Melinöe Prime||

[proper seal]

so wait || have I been fighting myself this whole time without knowing? ||

[timid vigil]

|| She messed with her timeline, was sent to the past and got stuck there, trained and prepared so when Chronos attacked, she would be there to save melinoe (herself) ||

It's complicated

Time travel stuff

[proper seal]

|| So thats why Melinoe didn't kill Chronos. Otherwise she would have ended the same as Hecate did. ||

[timid vigil]

|| maybe, but Hecate wanted mel to kill him ||

|| the thing is, in Hecate's original timeline... There was no Hecate to train her, she (as melinoe) was just cast into the river and selene found her and all but like, she had no one to help her, so on her own she fought Chronos but ended up somehow going back to the past and decided instead of confronting Chronos directly she would wait for him to attack and prepare to help Mel and be her mentor so she could succeed where her failed ||

She mentions that on one of the cutscenes actually

That mel should succeed where she had failed before and stuff

There is A LOT of foreshadowing about this

[proper seal]

|| Because the Melinoe before Hecate failed to kill Chronos in her timeline. So she was sent back to the beginning of time with a new identity. ||

[timid vigil]

Yeah

|| She decided to take the new name of Hecate because of course she couldn't use the name melinoe, she couldn't mess any more with the timeline ||

[proper seal]

its making so much sense now

[timid vigil]

That's why hec is furious in the ending

That's why it's so personal to her

[proper seal]

exactly

that I remember

[timid vigil]

There's a random quote when you fight Hecate where she says something like || you trained yourself||

Again, a lot of foreshadowing

[proper seal]

to be fair I forget 100% of the dialogue when im playing the game lol

[bitter stirrup]

But also it's slightly contradictory that she ||wanted to kill Chronos so bad knowing that it would cause a time curse||, but we can easily chalk it up to emotion getting the better of her

[crude dragon]

Don't forget her entry in the Book of Shadows

"You wish that you were her. Understandable."

[craggy totem]

The irony of -- in the end, in some projected future beyond the immediate aftermath of the epilogue -- ||Hecate coming to terms with the fact that she wishes she were this Melinoe, not just for the matter of receiving training or rescuing her family, but for things she may not have ever considered the crux of the Mission||

[proper seal]

now that I have 100% the story

ill keep playing the game for fun

and maybe get all the achievements

[final saddle]

Either Skulls or Staff

[dry whale]

Niceee

[timid hatch]

WOW Vow of Rivals Polyphemus is a crazy upgrade

I think he becomes harder than any non-VoR surface boss

[cunning laurel]

i think youre just not used to it yet, he really doesnt change much at all

[final saddle]

Rivals Poly is marginally harder than regular Poly because it uses the worst debuff from H1

Aside from that he still doesn’t swing anywhere close to Prometheus or Typhon

He’s still the hardest of the first two area bosses rivals or no imo tho

[bitter stirrup]

Ranking of Rivals difficulty spike for me is probably Chronos > Scylla > Hecate > Typhon > Prometheus > Cerberus > Polyphemus > Eris (Scylla and Hecate are so high just because of how free the base versions are)

[cunning laurel]

hecate being a timer threat makes her worse

[bitter stirrup]

Yeah getting cursed with like 30 seconds left is such a pain lol

Hell I got Tony'd by BASE Hecate and lost a DD to timer lol

[elfin heron]

how does the fear board work? do I have to beat the whole night or just the marked boss?

[cunning laurel]

just the boss

[elfin heron]

and then the night will auto-end?

[icy flame]

You just collect the fear reward and then the night keeps going as normal

[elfin heron]

but there's no point in continuing to play gimped? you get nothing?

ugh, wish it worked like chaos trials and you didn't need to die on purpose

[icy flame]

Technically there are the special reward tables in the 4th area that only unlock if the fear is high enough so that's like a little extra bonus incentive

[torn wind]

"It's a shame I have to get good at the game by continuing to play a full run"

Eventually the testament will require you to do full runs when you reach 16 and 20 fear

[elfin heron]

it's a waste of time if you get no further rewards, might as well just die and take another testament

[torn wind]

You still need to clear runs for the rewards

[bitter stirrup]

Well yeah it's a waste of time if all you want is to complete the game and not to actually play the game lol

[torn wind]

For resources for incantations and all

If all you care about is upgrading aspects then sure

But you're trying to actually beat the damn game

And that needs you to actually finish runs

If beating runs is a wate of time the go build a house or something

[elfin heron]

what's with the sarcasm? there are tons of these little assignments, doing a full run for each is going to be tedious as hell

the game is already grindy as is, I don't want to turn it into a full time job

[torn wind]

No it genuinely isn't

I unlocked everything by literally just playing the game

[bitter stirrup]

Well my point is it shouldn't be tedious if you enjoy the game

[torn wind]

By the time I got to credits I'd already gotten basically all the aspects maxed

[elfin heron]

I just want to upgrade the fast axe, I don't really care about other stuff

[torn wind]

Then play the game and you'll get it 🤷‍♂️

[elfin heron]

so the board says Polyphemus fear 1, I just kill him with an axe and get +1 nightmare?

and then I can reset the run?

[torn wind]

You would have to die but yes I guess

If all you want is nightmare

[elfin heron]

wish it worked like the chaos trials, this is rather counterintuitive

[torn wind]

The game promotes playing multiple weapons

[elfin heron]

and? what's your point?

[torn wind]

I'm saying it wants you to do full runs with different weapons to try them out because to get resources and nightmare you'll have to do runs further in with more weapons to get completion

I don't see what's counterintuitive about that

[elfin heron]

yeah, but I want to upgrade my axe first, if I can grab it right from Polyphemus why continue the run

[torn wind]

Cause you want to actually beat the game

It's called metaprogression and it's a core concept of the genre

You play the run to win every time and get rewards for doing so that you can upgrade more stuff to get stronger and lower the amount of effort the next run takes

Then when you beat it full you can add on more difficulty after to make it hard again if you want

If the game just gave you everything instantly at max power there wouldn't be any metaprogression and you'd be playing a hardcore roguelike rather than a more casual one

[elfin heron]

I can play a full run when my axe is 2x faster, this is a silly conversation

[torn wind]

I'm hilarious

[jolly hound]

Your axe will get 40 percent faster, not 2x faster. Sorry fam

you can beat poly and then die and get the reward. however if you choose Undo Night you won’t get the reward and then you are wasting your time

[rough lintel]

||which is also why her moves in the boss fight mirror's Chronos phase , She's most likely got cooked by chronos p3||

[marsh karma]

finally i got chaos epic troll part 2

[elfin heron]

is every rank 1 nightmare? I could just rush those easy testaments to get 4 nightmare, then go back to playing normally

[torn wind]

It goes up to 2 at like 8 fear

and 3 at 16

[elfin heron]

okay, I'm interested in aspect of thanatos, I want to upgrade it from rank 1 to rank 5, how much nightmare is that, and do I need other mats

[torn wind]

5 total nightmare

5 total ranks, base level is by collectible materials, 2 through 4 is 1 nightmare each, and 5 is 2 nightmare

[elfin heron]

okay, I'll just rush polyphemus, scylla etc to get nightmare

that's the fastest way, right?

[torn wind]

Sure

[elfin heron]

thanks, want to try other weapons (been playing staff and torches) and this axe seems solid

daggers are too weak, and coat and skulls are too gimmicky

oh yeah, what's the song Apollo sings at the end of the surface route, it's a bit of an earworm

[bitter stirrup]

Fated Glory

[torn wind]

Shiva is so assssss

Aside from being able to absolutely dumpster bosses with the right build it just feels so damn clunky

[honest wren]

For aspect of moros is it better to run Night over Huntress in your Arcana ?
I’m using origination so wouldn’t that stacking with the critical hits be higher than the huntress boost

[buoyant matrix]

night isn't as good as you think because as soon as you launch an omega attack, your omega special loses the crit chance

[honest wren]

But, since you have to cast omega attacks and one of them is an omega attack does that not count for the combo?

Jesus

😂 ignore typos but ya so huntress is just better?

[buoyant matrix]

i take both because i play without rerolls

[torn wind]

You still can get decent crit chance out of it but as Pizza said the crit chance only lasts on the special until you use an omega attack

It’s still not terrible though

[honest wren]

Oh right
Okay gotcha

[torn wind]

I don’t play rerolls so I got spare grasp to just have it active anyways

[honest wren]

Yeah, I feel like in this game. You really can be flexible.
Ya vs the huntress u are essentially constantly getting buff bc ur using mana

[torn wind]

Even if it’s not always optimal

[honest wren]

I love this game lol

Whats yalls crossroads music

[torn wind]

Yeah huntress has good synergy with torches

[buoyant matrix]

nothing, i like the witchy ambience music

[honest wren]

Noted

[torn wind]

I usually have it on the credits theme since I like that Artemis will sing along with it if she shows up

[honest wren]

All the music in the game is good even the base theme ya

[honest wren]

Ugh yes

[torn wind]

Well at least good synergy with Moros

But you are still spamming attacks constantly so can’t hurt

[honest wren]

I love the dionysus theme

Jazz lounge vibes

[honest wren]

Yes

I like to do aspect of melinoe w raki too for some fun crit builds lol
Even if not optimal, I just like to see the yellow numbers

[torn wind]

Medea also likes huntress

Since you basically only use attack and special

So just burn whatever is fastest and go

As long as your gain won’t give you back any magick then you’re good

So ionic or born gain is preferable

[bitter stirrup]

Usually either Reflection Affection or Lap of Luxury

[wild knot]

Wondering if Aspect of Shiva is actually worth upgrade past one level

Seems impractical to actually have more than 3 Destructive Ranks anyway

[short raft]

Wide Grin gains full power from aspect of Mel, yes?

[buoyant matrix]

opposite, it completely kills the aspect

unless you have possessed array as well

[short raft]

Thats weird, then was do i owe the damage inconsistency on Omega Attack?

it seem like damage on the most right was different

[buoyant matrix]

huh

can you repeat that

[short raft]

Some times i feel like each skull has a different damage value from the Omega attack blast. Or maybe im just imaginating things/shields nonesense?

[wise wave]

The bonus power from Mel Skull also affect oattack

[old veldt]

should i go for righteous pike when using moros?

[slim pike]

sure

[old veldt]

what would be the best athena boon for speedrunning?

[slim pike]

I dunno, depends on the build and general recklessness

[old veldt]

what varies on the build?

im not taking fine line most likely

i feel like i always run out of mana

[timid vigil]

are you not getting born gain?

[old veldt]

yeah i am most of the time

occassionally i pick up apollo if its at epic

or sometimes rare

[timid vigil]

if you're trying to Speedrun you should go for Hera special + born gain + fine line

Yeah you kinda want 3 of her boons on moros, 4 actually cause you want hereditary bane but those 3 are the big priority

[timid vigil]

And i think righteous pike is the best for damage but I like defensive posture a lot for safety if I don't have much safety on the build (no nitro boost or armor or snow queen etc)

[old veldt]

alr

[old veldt]

i mean i feel without jpom i run out too easily idk

maybe i dont get enough pots

[timid vigil]

Are you starting with the persistence arcana?

Going hecuba also helps but I personally don't go hecuba on moros

[old veldt]

yes

im just starting speedrunning so i need the safety more, and its an added bonus with moros cause of the magick

[timid vigil]

I feel like if I pick one or two pots it's enough

[old veldt]

from my experience, 20 each attack runs out relatively quickly

[timid vigil]

It's also easy to pick up cause a lot of times you need to choose between Hp or mana and you don't need Hp theoretically

[old veldt]

esp in bosses and like fields

[timid vigil]

Oh yeah you should get more by fields

But it also depends on how good your build are

[naive moth]

note to self: do not accept an infernal contract without understanding what it does

[buoyant matrix]

lore accurate melinoe

[stark lance]

Eris standing in my path:
Me with every Hephaestus boon about to turn her into a stain on the floor

[brisk bison]

Hot take: I feel like wounds is massively underrated (by itself, not taking grievous blow into account)

[stark lance]

This is not a hot take, Wounds does a comical amount of work for something that just gets applied passively

[buoyant matrix]

wounds isn't bad, i just prefer to have consistent upfront damage

[stark lance]

Damage is damage

[buoyant matrix]

the very minor differences become important when speedrunning or playing high fear

[brisk bison]

I think I can see why it would fall off in higher fear, considering that wounds takes time to reapply and during bossing that could add up

I really love wounds on torch Ω special because it really is no effort to apply lol

[brisk bison]

See that's exactly what I think, but I feel like I've been seeing a lot of people saying that it's only worth for grievous which while VERY appealing is not the only appeal wounds has

[bitter stirrup]

Wounds is the best on Medea because Medea already has % boost baked into the aspect

[brisk bison]

ABSOLUTELY THANK YOU

Really?

[buoyant matrix]

attack actually

because special is best for zeus

[brisk bison]

Ohhhh

[stark lance]

People just hold things to too high a standard considering that most people don't care for anything over 32 fear

[brisk bison]

That makes sense bc the special hits first, allowing the attack to proc blitz

[bitter stirrup]

But honestly I only have a positive opinion of Ares and Wounds in this game because of Heinous Affront lol

[brisk bison]

Heinous is Very Silly

I'm so happy they kept the light smite combo

[buoyant matrix]

I'm so mad they didn't add tough gain to its interactions 😤

[bitter stirrup]

Or Defensive Posture lol

[brisk bison]

Wait it doesn't proc Defensive Posture??

I thought it did lol

[bitter stirrup]

Nope just Visceral Impact, Divine Vengeance, Light Smite, and Unseen Ire as far as I know

[old veldt]

That would just be invulnerability 1/3rd of the time

[brisk bison]

Yeah true loll

[bitter stirrup]

They let Unseen Ire through because of the 40 second cooldown

[old veldt]

Wait it procs ire?

[brisk bison]

At least it procs Unseen Ite

YEEE

[old veldt]

Ohhh the cooldown carries over

[brisk bison]

It's very silly

[old veldt]

I thought it was separate cooldowns

[brisk bison]

Yeah unfortunately

[old veldt]

I wouldn't call it unfortunate

Balancing needs to happen at some point

[brisk bison]

Oh absolutely, I'm meaning more unfortunately for Mel

It would be busted beyond belief if it ignored cooldown

But it would be funny

[craggy totem]

It does mean that it kinda takes away some of the defensive utility of Unseen Ire

OTOH it kind of turns into a weird "dad has Hydraulic Might at home" lmao

[bitter stirrup]

Yeah and the one time I had it I wasn't totally sure about the interaction or had a hard time noticing it triggering so I wasted some invisibility time being confused lol

[craggy totem]

I'm kinda mad that in my last Selene surface PB, I had Unseen Ire start with an Ares/Zeus/Apollo/Hestia pool from Ephyra on, and I still didn't manage to pull the right boons until literally Typhon shop

I didn't even get Light Smite 😭

It would have been so funny 😭 😭

[native herald]

Why does tranq gain get so much hate? Besides hera and apollo, i find it one of the easiest hoops to jump through for gains

[craggy totem]

If you actually need the magick, having to stand still for it is terribad

That being said, I've come round on it for the very specific niche of aspects that don't really need the magick but can benefit from occasional omega moves

Because you'll never accidentally turn off Huntress lmfao

[native herald]

I hear you, but I've been there and it's really not that bad, even on frenzy.

[jolly hound]

It’s way easier to manage if you’re able to freeze some enemies with other dem boons, I agree I don’t think it’s dogwater like most of the people do

It’s also very useful with wolf howl, since you’ll refill during the I frames

[old veldt]

Which casts don't proc twice for circe if overlapped?

[slim pike]

Blade and Tidal ring

[old veldt]

Is blade worst circe cast then?

[slim pike]

and in the case of Tidal, that's only true if your casts are simultaneous

[old veldt]

Yeah

[slim pike]

Arguably, still hits like a truck though

[torn wind]

Suffers to wards, naturally

Hence why smolder or storm are so good against wards

And just for damage in general

But blade ring can do nutty damage if you get the build going for it

[craggy totem]

I thought you were gonna be making a joke about Suffering on Sight with the start of that sentence

But ig not 😔

[torn wind]

Coffin Nail and Cutting edge are two of my favorite duos

[torn wind]

That’s the Medea one that becomes totally invalid aside from removing a single ward, right?

[craggy totem]

:D

[torn wind]

Yeah I’ll take the armor one any day over that

Since that goes through wards

[old veldt]

wait, how does scorch work with wards anyway? is only 1 damage nulled?

or is it however much a tick is

[craggy totem]

One tick, yeah, that's why Scorch is considered good against wards

IIRC it's something like 16 and a fraction every sixth of a second

[buoyant matrix]

it's uncomfortable to use, otherwise one of the strongest gains for sure

i love it on possessed array builds

[torn wind]

Yeah so two wards doesn’t even block half the damage of a decent smolder ring roll

[proper seal]

im curious about everyone's opinion on || Athena's boon where you get 1 death defiance per room || It's so bad because you || Prime between 150 to 75 magick depending on rarity || 😭

[buoyant matrix]

it's pretty good on non magick builds

[proper seal]

true but its like the boon I almost never pick

because it can ruin my runs

[cunning laurel]

if i see athena i want renewed faith but it's a close second

[proper seal]

I forgot which boon that is. Is that the one that refills death defiances and increases their potency?

[cunning laurel]

really the reason you take her keepsake is for that yea

[proper seal]

fair

[still mantle]

Me, a strength user:

[jolly hound]

fantastic on things that doesn’t care about mana, dogwater if you do care

[proper seal]

that I can agree personally

[plain relic]

Do u guys think 17 levels of sworn strike is enough for a medea build?

[torn wind]

You know what's funnier than 17?

[plain relic]

?

[torn wind]

18

[plain relic]

Soon

[torn wind]

I was really hoping the spongebob reference would land

[plain relic]

I just cleared the dog

Thats 24 and 25

Shame

[torn wind]

Ah so you can get a triple pom in tartarus and make it 20

[torn wind]

I'm aware and I'd debated on saying 25 but figured the number didn't matter

[plain relic]

It matters!!!!

[still mantle]

Aww I got pom pom pom before queens ransom

Still a level 26 boon tho

[still mantle]

Some builds can hit an infinite mana loop really easily, thus if you just get like 150 magick and a decent rarity then its fine

Charon really only needs 45 mana

[torn wind]

Damn it I HATE getting sudden flurry on morrigan

Makes me accidentally use omega special every time

Damn you icarus

[old veldt]

What's the difference between ares minicrit and normal crit?

[craggy totem]

Minicrit only doubles damage, normal crit triples damage

Other than that iirc it works the same way

[torn wind]

And they can stack

But they both are multipliers after all other damage calculation, so the order they multiply in at the end doesn't matter

A double crit will be 600% damage buff

[worn maple]

That rat!!!

Gave me ptsd. I can’t do boss fights in the second area because of it

[stark lance]

I really need to stop doing 32 fear when first timing aspects

[old veldt]

Real lmao
He melts much quicker this time around tho

[stark lance]

I literally loathe the day I will have to actually use the skull to actually get the fear from it

[ebon sigil]

I was having a perfect run and then learned that Chronos has another insta kill where the circle goes dark and you don’t rush to the middle. I’ve never understood that attack, but it just killed me with no forgiveness since I had strength card.

Wow too bad

[stark lance]

The one where there's a donut and he spins the clock? Sit in the donut

[old veldt]

What's so bad about it?

[stark lance]

I just don't like it, I find it boring, every aspect of it

[ebon sigil]

I dunno, it wasn’t the one where the screen goes red except a safe spot. It was something else but I think he was in the middle and I was killing his little hour glass things but then suddenly died from full health 350 life.

[old veldt]

Have you played h1?

[stark lance]

Just a couple hundred hours

[old veldt]

You should get medea, plays similar to one certain goated hidden shield aspect

[stark lance]

I know. I still find it extremely boring

I didn't say it isn't strong or whatever. I just despise the gameplay loops

ESPECIALLY Medea

[old veldt]

I guess its subjective

Like I never got perspehone or Mel skull

But I enjoy the other 2

[stark lance]

I just haven't tried it honestly but I doubt I will unless necessary

[old veldt]

Which one?

The hidden is fun imo

Especially if you get boons to attack quicker

[untold plaza]

is there a chaos trial that's considered meta for grinding bones? ive just been doung brawn cause im good with axe and its high damage

[old veldt]

I guess whatever is the quickest with grave thirst

[untold plaza]

ahhh i hadnt considered grave thirst

oh and I should bring toula
cause fishing

[old veldt]

I don't think you can in trials

Or at least you don't keep it

[untold plaza]

Yeah no

learned that the hard way

[jolly hound]

have you not lived the possessed array dream

[old veldt]

And heinous affront🤤

[still mantle]

Ok I'm done with fates whim

This is the last straw

[stuck minnow]

Giga Cleaver is a pretty nice hammer

[crude dragon]

Best possible Charon hammer

[stuck minnow]

Hey, is Typhon so big that you can hit him with all three hits of the Axe Omega Special?

[crude dragon]

With Apollo special and correct spacing, probably

[stuck minnow]

Damn

I wonder what his hitbox actually looks like

If it's wide instead of long, then you could probably get all three hits by angling it slightly upward while pressed up against him

[tranquil wren]

wdym

[still mantle]

I can't get a build together

5 consecutive losses

[tranquil wren]

fates whim lets you build almost anything at any fear level

[torn wind]

Fates whim and denial lets me get basically any build I want and have it be vastly stronger than if I got the same build using god keepsakes or rerolls

Fates whim looks any build dead in the eyes and says “I’m simply you but better”

Unless you’re really unlucky or refuse to reset once every now and then if your god options are dookie

[jolly hound]

Howling soul, undo night, howling soul, undo night…

I retroactively feel deep shame for hades hitting me with it in the first game so much

[torn wind]

Ah I thought you were calling it bad

Also I wouldn’t hate old grudge so much if it applied to every phase on chronos

It only saves a handful of seconds on both bosses

I guess it’s better for rivals typhon but still

On anything but that it’s worth an immediate undo unless I get a good first boon

[still mantle]

Its a lot better on typhon

If you get it from jpom

[torn wind]

Yeah since he only has one healthbar

But like I’d only take it for rivals cause on normal typhon it’s saving you like 5-10 seconds

[still mantle]

Me spending 6 rerolls on hestia just for her to say "no pyro technique for you, now go fight rivals prom with a halfass build"..

Yeah usually I dont want to make things even harder with fw

[jolly hound]

Deep dissent > gigaros > lifetax > everything else for uw when rivals involved

[torn wind]

Okay but what if… last gasp maxing

[broken creek]

take gorgon r1 then hope to god pops gives it to you in tart

[torn wind]

Yeah lol just use the regenerating DD on every chamber and get like 300% damage buff

Moros doesn’t count sadly or that would be a hilarious gamble to build up over a full run

[craggy totem]

Not that hard, just tedious and slow

You'd do the thing where you kill all but one enemy

Or rather, not that gambley, I suppose I should have said

[torn wind]

It counts for last gasp?

[craggy totem]

No, no, it doesn't count, but in the universe we're discussing where it does

[torn wind]

Ah okay

But yeah just use the regenerating Athena DD

Throw in 3 base ones and toula and there you go

You got like a 120% damage buff by the time you reach Hecate

[dry whale]

Bewitching eyes slaps

[jolly hound]

I did do this once and it was hilarious, however there was no rivals chronos involved

[torn wind]

Imagine doing that and hitting a 10k heph blast without crit

Okay maybe not possible without crit but you could get pretty damn close

[royal orbit]

For Medea runs, your special hits first right?

Also does looming ignition affect poseidon splash size?

[jolly hound]

500 base, 750 with caldera, 1175 with origination, 7000ish with general grievous and crit hmmm could be doable

[torn wind]

rude awakening

[stuck minnow]

Damn why does prometheus aura farm so much

[bitter stirrup]

Yeah special hits first which is why Zeus is most used on it

No idea about the second question though

[proper seal]

Rock and a Hard Place is such a banger Scylla song

[plain bronze]

Am I remembering correctly from H1 that you had to reach max friendship with NPCs to unlock the ability to upgrade their keepsakes to max level? Am I correct in assuming that we no longer have this mechanic for H2 and keepsakes can now only go beyond level 3 via temporary boons?

[bitter stirrup]

Nope that wasn't a thing in H1, just had to use the keepsakes for 75 encounters to get them to level 3, there were no level 4 keepsakes

[royal orbit]

Wait a moment. Who is this huge shade behind Hypnos? He even stays there after you wake him

[stuck minnow]

Prometheus is the embodiment of "OH MY GOD HE'S SO GOD DAMN COOL!"

[plain bronze]

Okay thanks, must have just misremembered

[proper seal]

LETS GOOO! I HIT 100 HOURS ON HADES 2

[stuck minnow]

If there ever is a Hades III (which i don't expect there to be tbh) I want a reference to Sun Wukong in it

This is the man (monkey actually) who casually carved himself open and pulled out hundreds of hearts just because he could

[proper seal]

I dont see how they can pull off a Hades 3

[stuck minnow]

I mean they still have a ton of source material they could pull from

Again, don't think Hades III is in the cards
I expect Supergiant wants to do something else by now

But they absolutely could pull it off if they wanted to

[proper seal]

what if Perseus was the main character

and he slays medusa like creatures

[stuck minnow]

Oh yeah there's a lot of minor deities and heroes who could be a potential protagonist

I think there is dialogue referencing other children of Hades in Hades II as well

Melinoë asks if Persephone would ever have more children or smth, and she says no

Though Hades and Persephone do have some children in the myths I believe

Zagreus and Melinoë do have mythological connections to Hades (the underworld more specifically) in some fashion, but their parentage is up in the air

As is much of Greece's population

Okay so

Macaria is... basically it

Some myths do reference the Furies as daughters of Hades and Persephone, but I don't think that's the case in Hades (the game)
Their relationship in this canon is more professional than familial
Plus Tisiphone and Alecto being banned from the House of Hades outright

Oh, and to complicate things further
THERE ARE TWO MACARIAS

One is a daughter of Hades and Persphone
The other is a daughter of Heracles and Deinira

So, if Hades III was a thing, Macaria is probably the most likely candidate for protagonist
Unless they wanna break the mold of Hades' children and use someone else with underworld connections

[naive moth]

21:10 surface run!

[stuck minnow]

Damn

Nice work

[naive moth]

it’s amazing what time + frenzy will do to a person

[solid epoch]

for those that have all steam achievements for hades 2, how long did it take you?
im 82 hours in and at 42/50 achievements

[torn wind]

I mean would take a lot less time if I just went ahead and did it. I'm at about 155 hours and just haven't done the chaos trial ones

The two in a row and the great chaos below

Otherwise I'd have had everything done like 100-120 hours in

[unkempt zodiac]

Hard to say since I played in early access so I was missing a few up to 150+ hours in. But if you're actively trying for achievements 80-100 sounds right

[royal orbit]

Lol I just unintentionally got the dialogue with Chronos for evading him 100%

I didn't realize how OP evasion builds are

6 heroic boons :0

[elfin heron]

I finally died to a Chronos insta-kill, got caught by one of the hourglasses, rip

[old ore]

I swear that I've tried every iteration of the "Melinoë, Help Us" quest that I could find on the internet. Did something change with it? Can someone give me like a video or something? I swear I am going crazy I have tried this like 20 times.

[crude dragon]

What step are you on?

[old ore]

"Melinoë, Help Us"
We require and request your assistance. This is no prophecy, meerely a plea. We take considerable risk in reaching out thus, though can foresee no other option.

• Locate the Three Fates.

Tried to take a screenshot but they block it on this channel / for newbies or something I assume.

[real sparrow]

I did this one recently. Just go on another run and check it again, it should have new instructions for you

[old ore]

I have tried:

• ||Oceanus with Moros pin, die 3 times, and Resurrection via pin, then die a for real a fourth time between 4 contiguous chambers without any death defiance throughout run||
• ||Oceanus with Moros pin, die 2 times, and Resurrection via pin, then die a for real a fourth time between 3 contiguous chambers without any death defiance throughout run||

I have ||Killed Chronos, killed Typhon, and max friendship with Moros||. Is there some prerequ I am missing?

I was in early access I have had this quest for a time, but I didnt think it was completable back then for whatever reason. Did not just get it

[real sparrow]

Hmm, that first one should have worked, perhaps you did it too early without actually checking the List? Or it could be that ||in the three consecutive rooms, you didn't actually get your second chance by clearing the room in ten seconds and used up a death defiance instead. It doesn't count if you do that.|| I definitely made that mistake before I realized

[old ore]

without any death defiance throughout run
^

[real sparrow]

Oops didn't read that lol

[old ore]

All good. I was trying to be comprehensive good to know thats a case to cover tho.

[real sparrow]

In that case, I'd say just checking the list to see if it updated is your best bet

Also it doesn't actually matter if you have death defiances active while you try, I had mine active and it worked

[old ore]

Not updated :/ just checked. Would there be any chance that it had to do with pausing? I paused for quite some time trying to look into if I was doing things right before the fourth chamber whether I should die or live.

[real sparrow]

I don't think pausing would matter? If the list isn't updating, all I can say is just try a regular run and check back afterwards, cause once you meet the final requirement it'll only refresh once you return to the Crossroads the next time

Oh wait come to think of it I wonder if you have to win a run to get it to update? Cause in my file, after I ||got the last Moros heart||, I just went and did a Chaos Trial and it updated after that, because Chaos Trials count as winning runs

[cunning laurel]

are you getting this step from the prophecy description? because it doesnt sound like you are on that step

[old ore]

"Melinoë, Help Us"
We require and request your assistance. This is no prophecy, meerely a plea. We take considerable risk in reaching out thus, though can foresee no other option.
Locate the Three Fates.
These are the words for the prophecy. The rest are just from me trying to figure out how to try and do it from the advice I can see online.

[cunning laurel]

where are you at in the main story?

[old ore]

I have ||defeated Chronos and Typhon multiple times. Some times during early access and other times after for both.|| I am open to spoilers so if you have further questions, you can ask them in spoilers and idc at this point I will reveal them.

Also, ||I have talked to Zagreus in the mirror multiple times. That part I don't know if enough though.||

[cunning laurel]

okay finding the fates prophecy is post game

you cannot complete it rn

[old ore]

Okay can I proceed by just killing ||Typhon and Chronos some times more|| or is there more complex steps?

[cunning laurel]

the game is very handholdy for its story stuff, there are lots of steps for reaching the fates but itll tell you how to do them all

just keep playin you'll get it eventually, you arent even really close rn

[old ore]

Thanks that is more than I got online. I assume I should just prioritze other stuff then for now?

[cunning laurel]

yup you have no way to progress this quest besides main story stuff

[old ore]

Dunno what you mean still but I assume I just iterate on stuff I have already done.

[cunning laurel]

i mean this quest is entirely post game so you literally cannot focus on it, keep winnin runs and youll get there

[old ore]

Awesome thanks!

[limpid oar]

<@&456908176877551658>

That was quick, best mod team ever ❤️

[still mantle]

What build do i play?

[proper seal]

have you maxxed your bond with Hecate?

[old ore]

Not yet.

[stark lance]

My friend had the canon event of clicking the funny contract in Charon's shop for the first time

[torn wind]

You have to get the prophecy that specifically tells you to do it or you can’t do it

Otherwise you just get an Easter egg voice line

So you have to complete the one before that that tells you to ||form bonds with several of the characters||

[proper seal]

|| iirc you need to bond/interact with Hecate, Moros, Heracles, Chaos, Chronos and Prometheus ||

and then you need to beat the game to finish the quest

basically its a post endgame quest that can be completed

[torn wind]

Does that count as a spoiler

I mean that’s epilogue content and v1.0

[proper seal]

if it is, ill filter it

for the sake of others

[crude dragon]

Omega Attack Hel

[crude dragon]

You can't bond with ||Hecate|| until you've finished the epilogue, and there's a few others on that list

[still mantle]

Doesn't that suck?

[crude dragon]

It only sucks if you don't roll the hammer that makes it decent

Which will be 90% of the time :3

[still mantle]

"Just get psychic whirlwind" aah thinking

[buoyant matrix]

just hit™

[wide wigeon]

beat gramps night 2 i js cant beat that dude on fresh file ahhhh

[harsh swift]

Just got a Switch 2 should I get Hades 2 now 👀

Does it compare to Hades 1?

[proper seal]

I mean thats up to you

I dont know if there is a difference with the switch 2 edition

[plain bronze]

I just had a level 12 heroic flutter strike (+270% damage to nearby enemies) with the Moonstone Axe. BLAM!

[final saddle]

Sidegrade, and by that I mean both games are peak, this game tries a lot of new things, some good some not so good, but I would 100% recommend it if you liked the first game

Just know that it’s really slow to start if you’re good at the game, once you get the ball rolling it’s a lot of fun though

[harsh swift]

I just purchased it so we’ll see 🤣

[still mantle]

Literally just better framerate

[unkempt zodiac]

Hades 2 is, in my opinion, considerably better. I have my nitpicks not in the first game, but they're minor. Hades 2 is the genre perfected

The magick system is what does it for me

[broken glen]

I got the switch 2 edition and there’s a 20 minute uninterrupted fully animated kissing scene between Prometheus and Heracles, is that there for y’all too

It plays every time I enter the chamber and it’s REALLY slowing down my runs

[elfin heron]

it's literally twice the content, 2 paths (up/down) instead of just one, each has 4 regions + 4 main bosses

the weapons are a downgrade though IMO, most of them are gimmicks, for some reason the devs decided not to reuse any of the archetypes from the first game, so no swords, bows etc

[crude dragon]

Don't forget the BoI-style challenge runs

"Most of them are gimmicks" is a smoldering-hot take

[elfin heron]

it's a very common sentiment

[crude dragon]

Especially when, unlike the first game, they're all viable up until you get high in Fear (even if I hate the way the knives play)

[elfin heron]

the knives are trash unless you hyperfocus on backstabs, the weakest weapon by far

[cursive nacelle]

hades 2 is easily better in most aspects. Particularly gameplay is sooo much better than 1.

the hades 2 upgrade for the switch 2 is nice enough graphically but not that necessary. The more important aspect of the switch 2 is that the better hardware means that you no longer have stutter

[broken creek]

crazy to say when its the only weapon with a 67 clear on every aspect

[harsh swift]

Just installed it I’m about to start it

[craggy totem]

IDK I feel like to some extent, when the pool is small, then another important factor (beyond the weapon or aspect's inherent properties) is "is there a runner who likes it enough or is determined enough to do it for whatever other reason"

[broken creek]

well yeah but i mean it in the merit that the weapon can be strong and consistent with the right decision making and knowledge

i think a good couple of those clears didnt get tk either

[craggy totem]

IIRC at least one of the Mel blades clears (if there were more than one) was TKless!

[harsh swift]

2 seconds into the game, wtf, Hades is dead?!

Trash game 0/10

[craggy totem]

LMAO

[cursive nacelle]

keep going and youll find out

[harsh swift]

Who let me buy this

[craggy totem]

I think maybe ya wanna reread

[harsh swift]

🤣

[elfin heron]

lmao, why do you think he's dead

[harsh swift]

I’m just kidding

[wide wigeon]

hades died

[elfin heron]

I was looking up voice actors the other day and I was surprised that Hades is voiced by a black guy that looks like a rapper, crazy talent

[buoyant matrix]

logan Cunningham

also voices chronos and poseidon and typhon and polyphemus and homer and achilles

[elfin heron]

very impressive

[harsh swift]

Okay the voice acting is peak (2 minutes in)

[craggy totem]

He's been The Main VA for Supergiant since the beginning

[wide wigeon]

i thought homer was darren korb

[elfin heron]

yeah looks like he's been with the team since Bastion and doesn't really voice any other games

[harsh swift]

I was worried about playing as a woman due to the immersion but god I was wrong

[craggy totem]

Naw, Darren has done more voice-acting over time but for the Hades games his slate is, like, Zag and Skelly and Narcissus

[buoyant matrix]

darren is zag and schelemeus

oh right narc too

[craggy totem]

Finding out he did Narcissus absolutely sent me

[wide wigeon]

i know ashley does a lotta va

[craggy totem]

Just some peak acting choices

[elfin heron]

did we lose any of H1 actors or did they all return to voice their characters?

[craggy totem]

Ashley has done the main singing for Supergiant since the beginning, but I don't think she does much spoken VO for them

[craggy totem]

IIRC the Athena actor changed but idr anyone else

[wide wigeon]

all olympians got the same va ig maybe athena

[buoyant matrix]

non returning characters like thanatos and meg for example

only returning character with a different va is athena

[wide wigeon]

thanatos looking straight into the camera is so funny looking lmao

[elfin heron]

I saw Meg during that part where ||you play as Hades||

[buoyant matrix]

yeah but she doesn't speak

[elfin heron]

true

[harsh swift]

If Zagreus is dead this is a 0/10 game (just started)

Then again how would he die

Just be trapped I guess worse case

[elfin heron]

they're all gods, they can't die, Hera says as much in one of her dialogs

[harsh swift]

True

That makes sense

Would it be a spoiler for myself to ask who her mother is? I just bought the game

Actually nvm ima just play

[elfin heron]

the same mother as Zag's

[harsh swift]

Ohhh

Ight time to lock in

[elfin heron]

you can see a family portrait after your first run

it's in Melinoe's tent

[craggy totem]

Also, note that in this specific channel, only spoilers specific to the full release of the game (which essentially means ending + epilogue stuff) are required to be hidden

If that matters to ya!

[harsh swift]

So this is really far after the events of the first Hades (I saw the picture)

I’m assuming she’s at least the equivalent to 21 years old for a God seeing as this game has romance option and Zagreus is seen with his mother and father and her as a child.

[craggy totem]

We don't know how many years it's been, and gods don't follow mortal developmental rules

[elfin heron]

basically grampa Chronos took over the house of Hades and imprisoned everyone, while the witch Hecate took Melinoe as a baby, and Melinoe has been trained by this witch to kill Chronos and save her family, that's the premise of the story

[harsh swift]

Dang

Interesting story

Will continue now

[elfin heron]

yeah have fun, don't miss any dialog, there are exclamation points over characters when they have something to say

[wide wigeon]

wait didnt he do orpheus too?

[craggy totem]

He did the singing voice for sure but idr if he did the speaking voice

[wide wigeon]

orpheus dorpheus morpheus go eat some walruses

[stark lance]

Love how the hidden aspect of the axe is literally just a concussion machine

[solid epoch]

yo 100%ing this game is starting to get kinda tiring ngl 🥀
should I try hades 1? just got it on sale

[stark lance]

Yes, though it feels a bit different from the second game in all the right ways

[tranquil wren]

100% in hades 1 is grindier

but you should play hades 1 anyway, both H1 and H2 are fantastic games

[stark lance]

There is also the possibility of not playing games to 100% them and just enjoying the general experience whenever you have time. Hades 1 and 2 are unparalleled when it comes to being able to go through a whole session in 20~ minutes

[tranquil wren]

I mean I liked 100%ing both games

[solid epoch]

yeah Hades 2 is the first game I've put in the most effort into trying 100%
but some of the tasks feel more repetitive, and things I may just tackle over time
namely beating the game with every aspect and trying not to get awful luck in the great chaos below

[tranquil wren]

ngl Hades 1 and 2 are some of the easier games I've 100%ed

[solid epoch]

would yall say hades 1 or hades 2 is harder overall?

[old veldt]

1

[stark lance]

I mean the games as a whole don't really ask for you to do anything other than play the game, choose things with exclamation marks over them and gift nectar and ambrosia in the large scheme of things

[tranquil wren]

yep

[old veldt]

tho i havent done high fear on either game, only 32 rn

[tranquil wren]

the grindier aspects can be fun if you continue to experiment with the game

[old veldt]

but mel just feels way more op than zag

[broken creek]

h1 is wayyy harder if we count heat

any heat like 45+ is evil, fear doesnt start being mean until like 60+

[crude dragon]

1 has a lot more unfair difficulty, 2 is more mechanically difficult

Brightshields my beloathed

Also, there's a lot more useless Boons in the first game, which becomes a problem when combined with stuff like Approval Process

[stark lance]

Hades 1 players grabbing the shield and becoming Thanos

[stark lance]

Excuse me why is Moros showing up after I---oh no, it's the canon event

[wise wave]

H1 could be a lot easier if Zag can take Armor

[solid epoch]

[crude dragon]

Or if most of the Olympians locked in and gave better Boons

[stark lance]

Isn't there a mod that lets you play the first game inside of the second

[crude dragon]

Yes

[stark lance]

Well barring some silly stuff like the Hydra physically missing the code inside of the engine to have it's body following it around

[wise wave]

And aspects too, I dont even max upgrade and finish all weapon in H1

[shadow pebble]

Hi can somebody tell me how i can get aether?

I need aether to unluck the last chaos blessing i think. In german its "Essenz". I am not really sure if its the same as "chant",

Somebody here to help me?

[craggy totem]

Probably, yeah. Chant is the only Chaos thing that requires aether. If you open up your codex you should be able to see little element icons next to each boon, yes? The aether icon is a round pinkish looking orb. Besides the boons that count toward aether (duos), you can also get it from the one Chaos blessing that gives elements.

If you have the codex unlocked, I highly recommend checking it for anything like "what are the requirements to see this boon?", "what element does this boon count for", etc.

[shadow pebble]

thanks a lot

All duo boons gives aether, i see.

[torn wind]

Yeah so chant is either strong if you get the boon from chaos that gives a bunch of aether or if you’re late game and have a ton of duos

It’s usually like 35-50% buff per aether

[crude dragon]

Hera's Legendary is also Aether

[proper seal]

[crude dragon]

Also, an easy-ish way to roll for Chant once you have that Aether is to equip Chaos's keepsake, since you can roll into it once you have an Aether

[shadow pebble]

I thought about that too and i equipped it already.

I am also missing the arachne quest. You have to equip the gorgonne amulet from athena in the underworld, right? I did the last 5 runs before, but still no further dialogue about arachne. I talked to her already in the upper world. I will first finish the chaos prophecy and try it again. Am i missing something?

[cunning laurel]

do you have the prophecy that tells you to do that?

[shadow pebble]

No, how do i trigger it?

I know who helped her and had an dialogue with athena about that in the upper world.

She said that she never will return it.

I thought talking to athena in the underworld will trigger it.

[cunning laurel]

you should be able to talk to that person about it to progress

[craggy totem]

You can't preemptively do story-related prophecies before they show up on the list

[shadow pebble]

did already talk to the person who helped her

maybe it appears later

[cunning laurel]

yea wait till she mentions it then return to arachne

[shadow pebble]

arachne was also already at home to talk to the person

but hasnt been triggered yet

[cunning laurel]

if arachne was in crossroads then next you see arachne she can talk about it

[shadow pebble]

thats already done too

was 3 times at arachnes spot after that conversation

[cunning laurel]

try talking to athena more? im not sure

there could also be a "x nights since" requirement

[shadow pebble]

She is still talking about the epilog changes. Maybe this has priority.

[craggy totem]

Very likely!

[vocal timber]

Does echo's gold gold gold activate on well items? Or just the regular charon shop

[merry whale]

i believe only regular charon shop

[stark lance]

I just got absolutely brained by the game btw

Fear 32, made the mistake to visit Chaos, THREE choices where he completely disables all my Arcanas right before Scylla

[craggy totem]

They can be a bit mean sometimes 😔

I mean, they're kinda just mean to Mel in general 😭 but three Barrens in a row should be, like, illegal

IMO not worth taking on Fear unless you have either 1) rerolls or 2) chrolex and not gonna even try

(or I guess you just livin the gambler life 😆 guess they would approve of that)

[cunning laurel]

id only avoid chaos on high fear if its right before scylla yea

[torn wind]

Usually there’s at least one option that isn’t of any real consequence even if the reward is bad

[craggy totem]

There's always the possibility, though, so if it's a run you don't really wanna be resetting on...

[rough lintel]

500 golds

[torn wind]

Or that lol

I thought it was 550 though

Might be remembering wrong, I know hammers and Selene are 500

But warden boons and chaos I thought were both 550

[rough lintel]

I dont really remember

Maybe 550

[old veldt]

550 pretty sure

[naive moth]

let’s play how long does it take to get an attack boon with black coat

[naive moth]

the answer, btw, is midway through oceanus

[still mantle]

I remember getting barren right before my first ever rivals scylla

I survived.

Blood spree my beloved

[gilded glacier]

Trial of Heartbreak == "Oops, All Aphrodite!"

[elfin heron]

looks like I'm one run away from getting the ending, Zag said he'll give me the spear the next time, and I already have all the eyes

honestly, the torches are probably the easiest to play weapon, they're good with most boons, no need for some meme build, just get try to get the ice flourish if possible, charge the special and the whole room is CC'd

are the other aspects worth leveling? crit seems to make the most sense

[hallow vault]

Nemesis acting alk edgy but she is Just a goober

[slim pike]

Three barren curses in one offering?

[buoyant matrix]

mel is actually the weakest torch aspect lol

[slim pike]

That's a level of luck that is incomphrehensibly rare

[elfin heron]

huh really? does the homing projectile on that other aspect deal more damage than crits?

and the third one, you charge a special first then shoot through it which triggers some explosions, but again idk if the numbers are good, clunky to use for sure though

[buoyant matrix]

the crit % isn't high enough to provide a significant boost in damage
eos provides massive crown control, put hitch or poseidon on special and everything just dies
moros is the beyblade of death and doom and destruction, the damage output is crazy
supay has a very weak start but snowballs into one of the strongest aspects late in the run

[elfin heron]

which one is which again

I might try them out once I have more nightmare

[buoyant matrix]

eos is the one with the homing omega attack
moros is the one that makes your attacks explode when you hit them with your specials
supay is the hidden aspect

[elfin heron]

how is eos good at CC when it's just one projectile now and then?

does the projectile have some special properties?

[limpid oar]

Yes it copies your specials

[buoyant matrix]

the projectile, which is called daybreaker, mimics your specials

you basically have two omega specials active simultaneously

[limpid oar]

Also yeah when you max Eos out the Daybreaker actually hits decently hard

[elfin heron]

hmm, why poseidon though, it's just splashes, unless you also get the froth upgrade, but that's 2 boons and you need to to be lucky

[buoyant matrix]

poseidon is very strong on fast hitting weapons
with two omega specials and two base specials happening across the room, you cover everywhere with splashes

it can pop off with scorch and blitz too

[elfin heron]

yes, poseidon is flat damage instead of % like some other boons

though, zeus is also flat damage, if you get static shock on the torches it's very strong

[wispy storm]

Zeus is good too blitz is solid and static shock is alright if you can tank the 50 prime

Froth puts in the work though it's a surprisingly high output effect and you can get it with just tidal ring if you don't want to fish for slippery slope (which usually isn't too crazy to do esp with rerolls if that's your style)

[elfin heron]

so the hidden aspects, you basically max out one non-mel aspect, then talk to an NPC and they unlock a hidden aspect for you?

Charon unlocked the axe's hidden aspect for me today, because I maxed out Thanatos

[wispy storm]

yep exactly

[elfin heron]

what hidden aspects are the best? the staff?

[wispy storm]

Well they're often pretty different and pretty good

The Staff aspects are already very competitive I'd say Momus lags behind the most and even then it's like alright yknow

I do like the hidden staff as a playstyle it's fun to build around (can get a little tougher on higher fear levels but it's fun)

[elfin heron]

hmmm, the spiked mace seems pretty clunky, all the moves lock you in place for a while, could be a death sentence

[wispy storm]

you gotta play to its strengths yeah, it's pretty chunky though check out the spin

and the omega special is neat

[elfin heron]

Thanatos + Nimble Limbs is the best axe IMO

almost as fast as the staff, but you hit hard

[wispy storm]

Axe aspects are also pretty competitive so there's not too bad an option even Mel is okay, I'd recommend the classic big damage Charon run to anyone at least once just to experience it

[bitter stirrup]

unlock both non-mel non-hidden aspects AND max out one of the non-mel aspects

[elfin heron]

I already have all non-hidden aspects unlocked

[wispy storm]

I value the knives and coat hidden aspects the most because their respective weapons struggle a bit to go crazy in their other 3 aspects

[elfin heron]

btw, is it worth actually buying nightmare for 1.2k bones? do I need the bones for something else

[wispy storm]

bones are yours to spend you can also do like 5 charon cards for 2 nightmare at a certain point i think

[bitter stirrup]

kid named Mel Staff having greater than or equal power to any non Mel Axe hit except for the final chop:

[elfin heron]

idk, I have all the arcana already maxed (the ones that I use anyway, like 2/3 of the deck), and all incantations done except for the kill Chronos one, do I still need bones

[wispy storm]

Only thing I don't think is worth it in the game is converting star dust to moon dust which is the stupidest effort to benefit ratio ever and i have no idea how it stuck in 1.0 lmao

[elfin heron]

speaking of stardust, once you run out of chaos trials to play, that's it? you can only buy it for 1500?

[wispy storm]

That, and after a certain point you have a chance to get one more per run if you're playing above a certain fear number (im trying to look up how much it is rn)

[elfin heron]

I only ever spent it on animal cookies and nectars, maxed out 2 familiars then spent the rest on nectars

sounds like the epilogue grind is just as bad as in 1, I probably won't bother with that

every character has like 15 relationship points, and there are like 50 characters in the game, do the nectar math

[wispy storm]

i'd not say it's as bad because the game just innately has so much variety that i was still finding new ways to play runs just by trying out the different options, and you don't need to max out relations for the epilogue you just need to get key dialog which just happens, the relations are just optional

and you can cook up and buy nectar and ambrosia now so doing the gifting is a lot easier too

[wispy storm]

p sure non crossroads characters have closer to 7 hearts only

[elfin heron]

cooking nectar needs a stardust like I said, and it's basically finite

it should last me to max out all familiars and get a good number of relationship points, but still

[wispy storm]

oh yeah i forgot it costs stardust still just buying from the broker is fine and once you've made all the pet biscuits you're free to just spend stardust anyway

[tranquil wren]

brewing nectar with star dust is a massive waste

the only thing you realistically need it for is familiar's delight

[elfin heron]

do you unlock anything by maxing out all 5 pets, I will probably never use the cat

[wispy storm]

4 alt costumes for each pet at some point (circe notices youve been upgrading them a lot and teaches you how to make them look cool)

[tranquil wren]

just an achievement, but it's worth upgrading them

[elfin heron]

I still haven't unlocked the skins, I think you need 30 grasp + at least one maxed pet, then talk to Circe, but she's been MIA the last few runs

[wispy storm]

circe can be a bit hard to find yeah i would have loved for dionysus's keepsake to have been a "your chances of finding friendly characters increases greatly for this biome" it would work great with the artemis nemesis heracles icarus athena mechanics

[elfin heron]

oh btw, on my last UW run there were no alternate doors in Tartarus, only the express route, is that possible? couldn't meet Hades or fight the mini-boss

[tranquil wren]

yea that's intended

[elfin heron]

Heracles is the rarest by far, was the last keepsake I unlocked

[tranquil wren]

you may have noticed a midshop in fields of mourning as well

[elfin heron]

and it's a trash keepsake, which is sad

[tranquil wren]

lion's fang is pretty good

[wispy storm]

lion fang i also have a bone to pick with (hah) because like yeah it's good but why does heracles of all characters get the diminishing returns keepsake

[elfin heron]

wdym by midshop, Echo?

[wispy storm]

no the shop in the middle of the zone, charon

[elfin heron]

oh yeah, sometimes there are 2 charon shops per region, idk how it works though

I skip the first one usually

[tranquil wren]

erebus, oceanus, thessaly, and olympus can have midshops

fields of mourning gets one during a chaos trial and the final story run

[elfin heron]

so, once you're a couple runs away from getting the ending, there won't be any bonus doors in Tartarus? can't get Hades' boons etc?

[tranquil wren]

only the final story run where ||Hecate is kidnapped||

any runs before and after are normal

[elfin heron]

this wasn't the final run actually, this was the run where Zag said "okay I'll give you the spear next time"

[tranquil wren]

unlucky then

[elfin heron]

and Chronos kept talking about how he already knows about the mirror and stuff

[tranquil wren]

hades isn't guaranteed to be there in tart

[elfin heron]

no mini-boss or anything either, very short

[tranquil wren]

tbf I think you should be able to get minibosses in tart for the final run

but idk though, I've only done it twice, and once was v1.0

[elfin heron]

so once you get the spear you just chant the two incantations and the game ends? or is there another run

[tranquil wren]

once you complete the incantation for disintegration of monstrosity, you need to complete a surface run

then you complete the incantation for dissolution of time

[elfin heron]

oh for christ's sake

[tranquil wren]

then do an uw run

[elfin heron]

the surface runs are so tedious

but yeah I was afraid that you needed 2 more runs, like story wise you take away their immortality but you still need to kill them

[copper bison]

never actually knew how fun Persephone was until I tried it omg

[tranquil wren]

mom car

[copper bison]

I didn't get Heph on it bc Fates Whim rng but I got a juiced static shock on it and oh my goodness

this might actually beat Nergal for being my favorite aspect

[pulsar rose]

FINALLYYYYYYY

FINALLY I REACHED MAX WITH MOROS

ONLY TOOK ME 60 HOURS OF PLAYTIME 😭

[final saddle]

Surface is usually easier at least

[red fox]

Not really

Olympus has some annoying af mob

[final saddle]

But you have significantly more control over your build

[bitter stirrup]

Yeah the build control in Ephyra is way balanced out by how much harder the enemies are for me

[pulsar rose]

no??? lmao

the build thing is true with ephyra but there is no way that surface is easier than underworld

[stark lance]

The Fates ain't gentle to me

[final saddle]

You get your build online faster in surface

From there it’s just Typhon and Prometheus

Underworld can throw you for a loop in terms of builds, and Chronos is a harder roadblock imo than Typhon

[copper bison]

I think it's interchangeable

but personally surface just feels harder because of Rivals Prom

underworld is more RNG heavy though I agree

"I agree" like it's not just how it is lmao get a load of this guy

[jolly hound]

Hecate is the biggest roadblock before chronos in uw at high fear (mostly the timer)

[copper bison]

pretty much

[buoyant matrix]

sirens??

[copper bison]

well

[vital hollow]

Man, I just had the weirdest dream, I was playing Hades 2 and fighting rivals Scylla & Charybdis, but I was playing as Zagreus in Lerny’s boss chamber down in Asphodel

[jolly hound]

I said what I said

[bitter stirrup]

Lava surfer Scylla 🔥

[bitter stirrup]

A barrage of random normal encounters wearing me down in Thessaly and Olympus are scarier than any surface boss for me (though I've only been playing Rivals 2)

[jolly hound]

that’s why then haha rivals promo ain’t messing around

[bitter stirrup]

At the fear level I play at least, most normal encounters in underworld are pretty chill, while every surface encounter has me on edge

[jolly hound]

the machine gun bots on the boats are usually what gets me

[bitter stirrup]

Yeah especially offscreen

And tiny ass boat rooms in Thessaly being completely covered by Anchor AoEs

[bitter stirrup]

Yeah I stopped playing Rivals 3+ after I hit 45f with Rivals 4 cause I'd rather have other fear on than having to have a heart attack vs Prometheus, Typhon, and Chronos

[jolly hound]

I finally got the hang of Typhon rivals (under 100 damage taken lol)