h2-discussion

[nova oar]

Hexes as a whole aren't great outside of wolf howl and twilight curse

[sterile prism]

the leap is fanaatastic

iframe

[stuck minnow]

I hardly use Wolf Howl

[nova oar]

It's good for the iframes

[stuck minnow]

Like it's not bad, I see the merit

But I usually take Moon Water over it
Which is probably bad but getting regular healing is the only way I got close to beating Charybdis anyway

[jolly hound]

Moon water is pretty much how I learned the rivals 4 fights

[stuck minnow]

Me when +65

I somehow got the healing as high as 75 once

Granted I got extremely lucky with the path of stars

[naive moth]

i wish i would have known ||typhon was immune to scorch||

[jolly hound]

wait he is?

[naive moth]

idk but he wasn’t showing orange numbers

if he is immune i wish i would have known that before i took a Scorch special boon with Pan blades

[merry whale]

nah typhon isn't immune to scorch

sgg just decided that displaying scorch on typhon wasn't worth the effort (or some other reason idk)

[craggy totem]

You can even backstab Typhon

I used to think it was only by using boomerang-type moves like blades specials that you could do this

[naive moth]

ok phew i was about to say

[craggy totem]

But I've seen the "backstab" text show up when I had that Apollo boon on other weapons

Back Burner?

[merry whale]

ye backstab generally is always just using attacks with a "direction" that's opposite of the enemy

[bitter stirrup]

I feel like Blitz also doesn't show on Typhon sometimes

[merry whale]

some status effects are hard to see, i think blitz shows up and if not then the dmg number should show up

[naive moth]

it shows damage but not the cloud icon

source: just ran a zeus/hestia build

[craggy totem]

There's a thought.... Mel blades with Skulking Onslaught and Back Burner

Just full assassin mode

[merry whale]

delicious backstab

[craggy totem]

I think it's deeply funny that iirc Zag had backstab bonus in his mirror

But Mel has to have a special weapon to do it

She's just too straightforward of a person to do it at base level, only when she's committing to the bit

[naive moth]

it was literally the first thing in the mirror xd

[craggy totem]

A sneaky boy! A sneaky boy who sneaks out of the house.

[covert falcon]

Does anyone know if launcher frame works with phalanx shot?

[calm flicker]

Just rarified 9 boons before Prometheus. That is better than sex.

[nova oar]

No

[naive pier]

Okay I am officially running out of things to do.
Aspect of Charon+Apollo absolutely demolishes Rivals!Typhon and now I don't need to grind for any more Nightmare!

My biggest 2 locks right now are Icarus not showing up in the Crossroads for me to gift him as my last relationship, and.
13,700 kudos to grind. not counting anything missing
hoo boy.

Actually let me go to the wiki and see if I've gotten all the Renewal Project thingies built

[craggy totem]

Dunno how up to date wiki is on all those odds and ends

Just checking though, are you at a specific point in your relationship with Icarus and waiting for that, or have you never gifted him before

Cos iirc you can gift him when you're out on a run, just gotta do it before you talk to him to claim his invention

[covert falcon]

I'm guessing they're at the bath salt or lure point so Icarus needs to be at base

[naive pier]

I've invited Icarus to bathe twice at this point, so I think I have his final few hearts available to be gifted.
I just need the lad to show up in the crossroads.🫠

And sure enough, the last 2 Renewal Project things I'm missing are both locked behind Icarus at full hearts.

[jolly hound]

time to start pushing fear

or continue idk your life 🤪

[naive pier]

I think at this point Fear will only be a hindrance to have. I need to do runs as quickly as possible for resources and gems to grind Kudos, and I can't sell Nightmare for Kudos.

so i guess i do overworld runs until icarus is maxed out, then underworld runs for chaos resource boon farming.

[craggy totem]

FTR you can get Chaos on the Surface, just much more rarely

If you like, you could also grab the Embryo to gamble for getting Discovery

[jolly hound]

whatever works for you, fear pushing is the endgame once you’ve unlocked everything. gift of gaia will make it go way faster

[naive pier]

According to the wiki the strat is to spam Poseidon's keepsake in the Underworld for his resource boons, and dice Chaos's options for their Discovery boon.

[naive pier]

after i unlock everything i don't plan on picking up the game for a while, I just want to "complete" the game by my own definition

[limpid oar]

Now do high fear

Can't run out of things to do until you've cleared at least 62

🔥

[naive pier]

"I may be a completionist, but I'm not a masochist."
~me, like, yesterday or something

[calm flicker]

I run out of things to do when I max out the Spirit Mixer.

At least that's the time limit I've set myself to do to get 24 surface fear & 32 underworld fear of all the aspects I like playing.

[pearl terrace]

So I missed out getting the Jeweled Pom by giving Persephone nectar during the post bossfight thing. How do I get it now?

[limpid oar]

|| gift dad in Tartarus ||

[pearl terrace]

ohh tyty

[calm flicker]

I didn't even know the player can give Persephone Nectar in the House of Hades sequence.

[glacial light]

You can?????

[limpid oar]

That's why you do 62 and not 67

[static flax]

Guys how long was the exclusivity deal with Nintendo for hades 1?
Cause I'm trying to figure out if a ps5 port could be announced for March in the upcoming state of play

[plain relic]

I really really like aspect of persephone. Giving me real aegis vibes fro. Hades 1. Super strong

[plain relic]

Took about a year last release, id assume the same this time around

[static flax]

Well tnx
I would have been sad if not for the backlog so that's ok😓🎮🙏

[plain relic]

Ok so I got 14% crit from familiar and Artemis. I got just the rare success rate. Does that 40% chance apply to the 14% crit? So instead of 14% crit I have 19.6%?

[real scarab]

Success rate doesn't affect crit chance from raki

Affects the one from Artemis tho

[plain relic]

Oh that stinks

[undone sierra]

Do you think someone at sgg had a clairvoyant vision when they made 67 the maximum amount of Fear

[shell lake]

How do you get N-mare? I completed a fear run and didn’t get any, although i only used 4 modifiers so maybe that plays a part

[undone sierra]

In the Oath menu, when you add fear you'll see a specific boss's picture in the top left for the weapon you're using. You have to kill that boss with the noted amount of fear and the noted weapon

[shell lake]

Oh. The boss was cyclops and I went to the underworld. That explains it

[shell lake]

Do I have to win the whole run? I still have yet to beat the surface route

[undone sierra]

Nah just kill the noted boss. It'll drop alongside their regular resource drop

[royal orbit]

Where is Daedalus, lore wise? I just realized he never actually shows up in 1 or 2, but I also haven't finished 2 yet so idk

[cobalt trout]

||hes retired icarus is making the hammers now||

[hallow vault]

Polyphemus my beloved

[slim pike]

We at least know what he looks like now

[sudden eagle]

Just beat 32 fear underworld first try! Unveiling Skelly's 3rd statue is always a great gaming moment.

Is there any reward/story dialogue upon beating all Chaos trials?

[nova oar]

Nah

[craggy totem]

You do get a special victory screen title if you do 40 Fear, though :3

[sudden eagle]

I'm not good enough to beat 40 fear. But if it's on underworld route I can give a try.

[craggy totem]

If you first tried 32F you can definitely do 40F with a bit of elbow grease

I believe in you! 💪

[sudden eagle]

Eos torches carry the game, the only thing I do is dodging bullets XD

[bitter stirrup]

Yeah Idk what your 32f Oath was but 8 fear = Rivals 3 = 4 of Scars 2, Debt 2, Return 2, Hubris 2, Denial, Shadow

Difficulty jump would be more noticeable if you went from no Rivals to Rivals 3 but I just recently made the jump from 32/34f to 40f and it wasn't that bad

[jolly hound]

Where’s your frenzy and fangs

[craggy totem]

You can also play no Rivals 40F :p

But apparently this is "disgusting" and "unconscionable"

/shrugs, lounges

[jolly hound]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMywzLDEsNSwwLDAsMiwwLDYsMCwyLDAsMTJd here’s my 40 setup and no I do not care about dissenting opinions

and yes it has hordes 3

[bitter stirrup]

Well I refuse ever to play Scars 3 but tbh with no Rivals I might be able to do it

[craggy totem]

No Rivals: https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzMsMCwyLDYsMCwzLDIsNSwyLDIsMiwzLDYsMCwyLDIsMF0%3D

You'll need a weapon that can deal with Wards and Return though

Nothing too slow

[jolly hound]

Scars 3 is an entirely different game relative to 1 and 2

I miss stubborn defiance

[craggy totem]

Note that Life Tax, Ghost Onion, and some other stuff ignores Scars penalties

[bitter stirrup]

Yeah but normal Underworld bosses are so easy that I think I'd at least have a chance (I never played LC5 on H1 either though and that was with the SD fallback)

[bitter stirrup]

I assume with Void 1 you remove rolls and Boatman?

[jolly hound]

stubborn and max LC was kinda the vibe but then it came down to finding Pat

[craggy totem]

I don't have Void 1 on and would not choose to do that

Boatman is helpful for counteracting Debt early on

[bitter stirrup]

Oh wait I just realized I had already moved some stuff on your link lol

[craggy totem]

(Chrolex takes care of the rest, but I'm not chrolexing in Erebus)

[mild arch]

How do i unlock the spirit mixer?

[bitter stirrup]

Yeah I always hated the idea of how dependent it would be on Patroclus (then again Patroclus did save my only 40h run by giving me 2 DDs back lol)

[sudden eagle]

Thanks for the tips!
I can manage Rivals 3 but only frenzy 1, 2 is too fast

[craggy totem]

You can get used to it!

[sudden eagle]

I'll start by activating scars

[craggy totem]

Sooner you turn it on sooner you get used to it :D

[jolly hound]

I explained the oath of unseen to the gf yesterday and vow of rivals then she’s like, oh when the cat is in front of the tv it’s the vow of meow got it

[jolly hound]

Frenzy 2 is make your peace with between 10 and 20 losses then you’re good to go

[sudden eagle]

I'll never pass Scylla + Charybdis fight in frenzy 2 XD

[craggy totem]

You could give it some practice goes with only Rivals and Frenzy on maybe?

Although maybe again that's not "accurate" enough to your eventual goal idk

or yk you could just not do Rivals :P

[naive inlet]

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[sudden eagle]

Hades 1 high fear was more difficult than Hades 2 but extreme measures 3 was way more easier.

And yeah my old grumpy self will eventually get used to high speed

[craggy totem]

What do you think of the Surface rivals?

[jolly hound]

poly is fine, Eris is easier (here we go again chat…), promo is way spicier but hitch becomes incredible, Typhon I needed to lose like 10 times to get the hang of the circle phase

[jolly hound]

not with that attitude

You dont wanna aim for Roxy first with rivals Scylla

Try that and see where it takes ya. Also hitch is great and on the off chance you can have a godsent hestia hex online in time, that wins the fight almost by itself

[sudden eagle]

Well Unrivaled Typhoon is hard XD.
But the othee bosses are manageable. Mount Olympus and Summit at high fear are kinda tough.

[sudden eagle]

Gotta pray the rng god!

[real scarab]

stale joke

[jolly hound]

It says message hidden cause I gotta verify my age, wtf

[craggy totem]

(||*on the offchance you aint in on it: yes, that's the joke||)

[jolly hound]

pretty much, yeah. Hitch also goes a long way in that fight. But yeah it takes reps more than anything. Also suggest you listen to the songs outside of the fight because then it’ll just feel more familiar and comfortable when it’s fight time plus they’re all bangers like I listen to them in the shower cause I like to live dangerously

[sudden eagle]

Melinoë would never admit it but all Scylla & the Sirens tracks are absolute bangers ❤️

[crude dragon]

Doesn't even contain a Rickroll, SMH my head

[torpid sky]

Listening to the Scylla and the Sirens songs in the shower is always a great time

[jolly hound]

I listen to coral crown then the chronos fight every time I’m driving to the gym. It’s my brain hearing “time to lock tf in” also I beat 50f Typhon yesterday too

[torpid sky]

Father of All Monsters (Titan Mix) is also such a lock in song

[mild arch]

whats everyones fav track

[craggy totem]

Reflection Affection tied with Sightless Shepherd 🫡

[jolly hound]

coral crown and chronos first phase. if you can phase him before the fanfare ends you can probably phase him before red ring of death goes off

[craggy totem]

You actually pay attention to the progression of the music during a boss fight? 😆

That's a neat heuristic, though

[jolly hound]

Yes, it’s a natural timer and my mom took a bunch of Tylenol in the months before I was born

if you don’t hear the second fanfare you can almost definitely phase him during red ring of death

*this is not applicable to rivals fight on its own

[mild arch]

why does ||zagreus|| deal so much damage 😭

[jolly hound]

and I’m usually singing along for sirens ngl

[jolly hound]

He’s a secret boss, it’s meant to be hard. He isn’t very durable tho

That’s a glass cannon duel

[old veldt]

What are all testaments

Required for?

Like any incantations or anything

[jolly hound]

Weapon upgrade materials

[old veldt]

That's it?

I mean all, I know what they do in general

Like is anything locked behind competing all testaments

[jolly hound]

Sorta, but only the maxed out weapons

it’s something to do if you wanna keep playing

You need a 32u and 24s win to get the in game trophy

but otherwise nah it’s more or less a gold star for a job well done

[tranquil wren]

selene congratulates you

[craggy totem]

There are certain specific character storylines that are tied to particular fear levels, but not to the testaments specifically

[still mantle]

He has no hp

[still mantle]

Rock and a hard place

[broken glen]

I LOVE ACETAMINOPHEN

[royal orbit]

Will Thalamus ever be used for crafting or is it just for decorating

[sturdy magnet]

https://klipy.com/gifs/dandadan-dan-da-dan-20

[sturdy magnet]

Wrath of the Heavens

[calm flicker]

I've victored with Selene's Xinth for several runs. I maxed it out. How do I deepen Selene's trust...?

[craggy totem]

If you've maxed it out, I believe it's just a matter of waiting

[calm flicker]

Ugh. I'm tired of Grave Thirst rolling for the Umbral Flames.

Give me Moonstone Axe!

[broken glen]

Grave thirst is always on skull or daggers for me… I’m fine with playing morrigan but I’ve never loved revaal

[golden egret]

How do you guys play the Flames. I find them really boring and don’t know what boons to choose for them.

[broken glen]

Which aspect? They all have different needs

[mild arch]

I just go with whatever boon i find first lol

[golden egret]

I found Moros to be the most interesting.

[crude dragon]

The Risen Fleet

[golden egret]

ITS SO GOOD

It just goes that hard.

[mild arch]

Adamant is found on the surface right?

[golden egret]

Yes.

[mild arch]

Thx

[broken creek]

not really, blitz + hitch is what you want on all of them besides supay and even then its debatable

[buoyant matrix]

have as much ospecial uptime as you can while throwing out oattacks
works for mel torch and moros

[split shuttle]

wrath of the heavens

[broken glen]

Moros has a lot of different options- for the attack, you’ll want an on-hit effect, as it’ll trigger for both the initial hit and the explosion. Zeus is ideal, though Poseidon can also be very fun with splashes. Apollo or ares can also be fun for %, though not quite as much potential for buildmaking. For special, Hera will be your go-to. You want to start chambers with O-special to spread hitch, and then hold attack to nuke everything. Try to grab a good gain, like born, lucid, or even a high-rarity flood gain. Cast and rush are mostly inconsequential, but still help with origination if you’re struggling with that.

[split shuttle]

probably tied with all of the ephyra biome music

[golden egret]

Why does everyone hate Eris do people really get ragebaited that easily.

[buoyant matrix]

personally, she's an unfun fight at 62 fear

[broken glen]

I love Eris! I just think she needs therapy because she’s obviously lashing out from a point of insecurity

[golden egret]

Wouldn’t a decent cardio gain work too?

[broken creek]

eh, you have to hope you dont get channel speed stuff or ocean swell/fine line which you do really want on it

[calm flicker]

Risen Fleet, Into Tartarus, Crossed Flames, & Olympus Aflame.

[buoyant matrix]

it does

[broken creek]

since its easy for cardio to be outdone since the Ospec wont regain anything

[buoyant matrix]

but you have to do some specials in between

[crude dragon]

It's more so that her fight's annoying

That and the Blessing of Strife

[broken glen]

Cardio gain CAN work, but it only regenerates magick when you hit with a regular attack or special, not omega. Once your channel speed is high enough on attack, or you get ocean swell or fine lines, you’ll be running out pretty quick.

[calm flicker]

It's been a while since I've equipped Hestia's Gain on the Umbral Flames.

[broken creek]

born/flood/lucid is the answer for like every mana weapon

[broken glen]

It works best on Eos when you can spam special

[crude dragon]

It's kinda funny how Thessaly has both my favorite theme in the game and also the only one I actively dislike

[golden egret]

I really need to stop using the huntress with Aspect of Charon it’s so useless. I just never remember.

[calm flicker]

It's funny. In-game, it was Across the Rift that made me go "Woah!", but I prefer Risen Fleet. I like both tracks.

[calm flicker]

I unfortunately equip Huntress on Charon to trigger Divinity. I wish Strength had two axes to trigger Divinity just as Death does.

[golden egret]

The Risen Fleet really fits Eris tho.

[golden egret]

Do you run Fate’s whim?

[calm flicker]

I don't want to equip Eternity either.

I don't care for Eternity in any build.

[crude dragon]

Fate's Whim wouldn't matter, Strength's on the bottom row

[calm flicker]

They ask, because a way to trigger Divinity with Strength is to trigger Fates.

[real scarab]

Cardio is probably enough for ocean swell + sudden burst but fine lines would be too much

[craggy totem]

No? You can activate Divinity on Strength with middle column

No Fates necessary

Artificer isn't a reroll

[golden egret]

I really need to do a sword ring/cut above build it looks funny.

[calm flicker]

No. We talked about how inefficient it is to equip Huntress on Charon.

[craggy totem]

Yeah, but one aspect being suboptimal with it doesn't mean it doesn't have multiple axes

It's got em, you just don't like em :P

[golden egret]

Any playstyle that only uses omega moves makes it useless.

Not only Charon.

[calm flicker]

Yeah. The middle column is pretty good.

[broken creek]

you play huntress because its situationally good, i play huntress because i forget to turn it off regardless of weapon, we are not the same

[calm flicker]

I only wish I could equip Swift Runner in my Strength build.

[craggy totem]

Simply play FW /taps nose

[calm flicker]

I prefer Furies over Huntress. Although, a little bit apples-to-oranges.

[golden egret]

I am the second case. I yap about it but never actually turn it off.

[broken creek]

i think genuinely i always keep it on 😭

[golden egret]

Who doesn’t use furies? Seriously it’s free 30% damage most of the time.

[broken creek]

even on charon theres times early where you might have to dash attack -> special loop so having huntress isnt even bad

[golden egret]

I usually put random stuff on the attack and it’s so bad it hardly matters.

[craggy totem]

Better to have something, in case of Chaos gambling or just not getting good special boons yet or any number of reasons

[broken glen]

You play huntress + wayward son because you saw an arcana guide online. I play huntress + wayward son because I forgot to switch to lovers

We are not the same

[calm flicker]

Ugh. Why do +5 Centaur Hearts exist?

[broken glen]

To sell with Chrolex

Centaur heart?!? Centaur GOLD!!

[calm flicker]

I'm fine that I can't trigger Artificer with +5 Centaur Hearts. Rather, I'm upset it's wholly inferior to Ash rewards.

Not even heal 1?

[jolly hound]

It would make surface so much easier if you could artificer those things

[golden egret]

Why doesnt mel just artificer chronos is she stupid.

[broken glen]

Chronos isn’t a minor

[golden egret]

…Ash and bones are minors?

[craggy totem]

Minor rewards

As opposed to major rewards (centaur heart, boon, Selene, etc.)

[broken glen]

It would be implied yes

Why can’t we use artificer on Icarus

[golden egret]

His curses are so annoying he isn’t even a minor reward.

[craggy totem]

What, on his Supply Chain pickups?

[golden egret]

Like dude I don’t want my cast exploding in my face.

No thanks.

[broken glen]

The +3 to attack or special aren’t bad

But supply chain does… nothing

It was nerfed into the ground

Protective coating is a godsend for high fear though

(Too bad Icarus chambers take 5 years to clear)

[torpid sky]

wdym it still gives poms and healing no?

[broken glen]

It does, but the rate of delivery is painfully slow

[crude dragon]

It's every 8 encounters, so it's only about once a region

<@&456908176877551658> Crush this pornbot's skull

Thank you

[mild arch]

Why are the familiar forms so expensive 😭

Im gonna need so so so much kudos if i want to complete the game

I want to unlock every music track (which i think i already have done), get every piece of decoration, and now get every familiar form

[still mantle]

YOU DARE??

YOU DARE INSULT HAZARD BOOM

[still mantle]

But he pauses the timer

[broken glen]

Surviving is the issue

The enemy spawn limit is MASSIVELY increased

[winter egret]

Well, I got the main credits down, what a great game

Dunno if I will do all the postgame stuff

[buoyant matrix]

do the epilogue

there's an important post epilogue bath scene with hecate

[still mantle]

I guess

[fresh wind]

I am so angry. Im doing speedruns w thanatos (pb 7:45) but also working on bonds so losing a bit of time to that.

I had my best hecate exit, then had my best scylla exit despite getting asphodel'd

[golden egret]

Wait flames are so fun.

[fresh wind]

In FoM, for the first time in hundreds of runs, I get double reward room > forced double reward room > forced warden fight > forced triple room, and no fig leaf proc

I didnt even know that was possible 😭

Like the game just decided I didnt deserve to PB this run

[broken creek]

lmao yeah i love how fields can just decide to echo scam you and it ruins everything

[fresh wind]

That fields scammed me like 3 times

Crazy

With the asphodel on top

And the build is so good

Then dionysus decides not to proc fig leaf in tartarus either

Diabolical seed

[calm flicker]

Oh, fecund. I forgot I had Moon Water & equipped Worry Free.
6325 DMG from a fully-charged Shiva's attack.
I don't remember if it had 1 or 2 exclamation marks for Ares' minicrit + regular crit, but I have Weed Killer, blue Hera's Strike, & Chakra Collider.

[naive pier]

I just noticed i only have 5/6 bosses showing up on the Oath of the Unseen menu now, and the number on top says "40/48" and as a completionist i am confused despite how seemingly obvious this is.

So I just,
beat Chronos and Typhon at 20 fear with each weapon...?

[craggy totem]

Yes

Sounds like you finished one weapon

Congratulations

*correction for clarity: beat Chronos OR Typhon at 20F with each weapon

[naive pier]

well i guess my kudos grinding will have to wait then

Currently the game is telling me Sister Blades at 16 fear Vs. Typhon but the wiki says Chronos at 20 fear with the sister blades. Can I skip the Typhon run and just do Chronos to up the testament count by 2?

[craggy totem]

No

Ignore the wiki, it's outdated

[calm flicker]

2335 for a non-crit, fully-charged, Shiva's attack.

[craggy totem]

If at any point what the game says seems different from the wiki, always go with what the game says

(unless someone went to the trouble of writing in the wiki "the game says X but this is misleading" or sth)

[naive pier]

onkey donkey.
guess i'm goin to do 8 more runs.🫠

[earnest gazelle]

hey does anyone know if you can complete 2 chaos below trials in a row for the impropable outcomes prophecy?

[naive pier]

IIRC you're supposed to do 2 in a row, yeah.

[earnest gazelle]

yes, i was wondering if i could do 2 in a row of the same trial, just the normal below and not above at all

[torn wind]

I’m pretty sure it says any 2

I assumed that means it only counts first completion

The daughter of the god of the dead shall clear any of the Chaos Above or Chaos Below Trials appearing in the Pitch-Black Stone at least twice, without fail.

Okay so yeah just any two clears

Sounds like it can be the same one

[earnest gazelle]

hmm ill try it out and let you know if it works :D

thank you

[wary vale]

After 100% both Hades 1 and 2 I feel low-key 2 is easier to get into a flow state and just beat runs

[earnest gazelle]

do u perhaps know if i can give up a trail without having it reset my streak?

[craggy totem]

If you use Undo Night, then I believe it wouldn't reset your streak, since Undo Night essentially discards that night's progress from your save file

However, you cannot do any other trials or any other runs between the two Chaos Above/Below trials

[torn wind]

Undo night should just reset the save file entirely to the last save before starting a run

So I don’t imagine it would reset a streak since it doesn’t show up on record keeper and any interactions and such don’t save

[turbid loom]

Bro why tf wont freaking Heracles let me gift him

Fricken butthole

[torn wind]

Are you doing it before talking to him?

[turbid loom]

Doesn’t give me the option

[torn wind]

Are you running rivals vow?

[turbid loom]

I’m not anymore cuz I heard it messes with it

[calm flicker]

Ugh. It's taking forever to deepen Icarus' trust.

[torn wind]

Yeah same

[turbid loom]

I did literally once am I just cooked now?

[calm flicker]

So too Selene.

[torn wind]

Did you talk to her with her coat on after maxing the level on it?

I think you have to max the level and complete a run with it or something then be wearing it. Something like that

[rough lintel]

2 is a lot easier coz mel is way more op than zag

[merry whale]

it's also that basically all of the aspects except hel that aspect is asscheeks are actually really solid

[earnest gazelle]

I can confirm, you can complete the impropable outcomes prophecy by doing the same random chaos trial twice in a row while undoing the nights in between

[stuck minnow]

So mote it be

I can't get the last G-rock I need because NONE OF THEM WILL SPAWN DAMMIT

Truly, the rarest item is always the one you're looking for

[copper bison]

2's easier but I do feel like it gets a bit longer to get into than 1 due to one dash

but once you're at that point it's a lot easier because you just got a lot more stuff

[naive pier]

I have put 145 hours into this game and only just now have I seen a fish fishable in the healing spring right before Olympus Summit

[royal orbit]

So, how long does Nightspawn last? Is it just activated each encounter once you do your boost?

[naive pier]

typhon lays a lot of eggs but is referred to with he/him pronouns.

So proud of his transition🩵 🩷 🤍 🩷 🩵

[craggy totem]

It's not full encounter, I think the tooltip might say how long it lasts

/boots up game
Yeah, it says in the tooltip. 5s.

Speaking of Hel, Nightspawn is basically just a better implementation of Valkyrie Mode in a way, aint it

[royal orbit]

Oh. Well thanks again escalier xD sorry if I use this chat like google

[craggy totem]

NP, just know that if you're in game, it'll probably be faster to check the descriptions/tooltips than it is to wait for someone to tell you

[red fox]

Not like google help anyway it just give you f*ndom link

[craggy totem]

lol

Or worse, genAI BS

[red fox]

I have plugin disable that and forgot that existed

[craggy totem]

I have a bookmark that skips it too, but semi-regularly you'll get someone comin in with "but the AI summary said..."

[royal orbit]

I don't rely on AI when it comes to information based topics, idk why people do when there's an explicit warning that it may be confident in an incorrect answer

[red fox]

It is wrong like half of the time make it as useful as ads show as search result

[royal orbit]

I'd like to see AI optimized for in-game NPCs and when I ask it how a deep conversation between Goku and Superman would go. That's about it

[crude dragon]

Take the bird

[calm flicker]

What's obsidian doing in the Mourning Fields anyway?

[craggy totem]

Isn't obsidian a metamorphic thingbob made from cooled off lava or magma or whatever

I guess it goes with Cerby's whole "covered in angry spirits and spitting fire" schtick

/looks it up
Oh, igneous, that makes sense. Lol.

[calm flicker]

Wouldn't it rather be in Asphodel? Supergiant characterized the Mourning Fields as vast plains of grass, flesh, & veins.

[craggy totem]

Yah that's why it's cooled off lava or magma or whatever :D

[broken glen]

do you think maybe the mourning fields had the same problem as Asphodel for a while? (with lava flooding)

[craggy totem]

Oh, could be, are they neighbors or summat

[broken glen]

And now that it's fixed obsidian is left

[craggy totem]

I was just imagining enspirited!Cerb gobbin up lava in random bits of the Fields lmao

[broken glen]

because I'd assume that between the time of h1 and h2 they'd fix it up

[crude dragon]

It's igneous, and basically volcanic glass

[calm flicker]

Holy crap, Quick Buck interacts with Personal Loan!?

[craggy totem]

It interacts with everything (including, iirc, its own purging price)

((unless that was one of the things they fixed in a postlaunch patch))

[calm flicker]

Even if it did, I doubt it would make sense when there's still tons of gold left to amass in Tartarus.

[craggy totem]

Just a really handy boon all round 💖

[torn wind]

Doesn’t it also interact with oceans bounty? Or is it called Buried Treasure?

I think it was called oceans bounty in H1

[jolly hound]

Yes to both. Buried treasure doesn’t affect Chrolex tho

[torn wind]

Thought it did

Guess not

[still mantle]

Ram thief

[jolly hound]

The Hermes quick buck boon does, but Poseidon doesn’t

[royal orbit]

Don't forget h20 evaporator

For @fading knoll 67f run what is the mechanics used for Medea? Was it spamming attack in between special dash? I'm like 5 mins into watching the run and still haven't figured out how he's using the aspect

So like 1 skull > special > 1 skull > special? Not 4 skull >special?

[calm flicker]

Ugh. I equipped Iridescent Fan & I've only gotten 1 Hera boon the entire run.

[jolly hound]

Yeah you wanna do attack special back and forth

[jolly hound]

It be like that sometimes

[frail crypt]

how much older is zagreus than melinoe?

[crude dragon]

We don't know

[broken glen]

There’s also the question of aging while frozen in time

Do we count the time frozen in the difference

Birthdate vs maturity

[calm flicker]

The best scope of the passage of time we have is Heracles.

[nova oar]

Yes

[calm flicker]

His 2nd labor was the slaying of the Lernian Hydra. Given the fact that they're apparently the guardian of Asphodel that prevents souls from ascending to Elysium, it could be understood it already happened a "while" ago. It's hard to say how much time it would take for Hades & his bureaucrats to arrange the wrangling of the Lernian Hydra's soul to the gates of Elysium.

[crude dragon]

I mean, do you count it for Fry from Futurama?

(The corollary is if you count Fry, Farnsworth, and Bender going through two full cycles of the universe as adding to their age)

[frigid sapphire]

Will this game get any balance updates

[merry whale]

very unlikely, like h1 only got one balance patch after launch before it became bug catching

and also the balance rn is extremely screwed with the existence of jeweled pom so i don't see them doing any dedicated balance

[still mantle]

How come jpom screws the balance?

[calm flicker]

It's hard for me to say.

[still mantle]

Fates whim can seriously make it hard to put a build together but in exchange gives you significant benefits

[calm flicker]

Then again, a trinket that guarantees all pom-able boons to lv 4 nigh invalidates the need to rarify them.

[still mantle]

Yeah but the main point of the god keepsakes is to guarantee them in your pool

[merry whale]

jpom virtually causes any build to become viable like it just massively raises the ease of ignoring the aspect

keepsake starts are still pretty solid if ur aiming for particular builds

[calm flicker]

It doesn't help Jeweled Pom is far more powerful than Calling Card & Chrolex.

[merry whale]

but jpom is kinda just, u play it and u hit what u need and win

lv4 boons also makes poms way less valuable

and surprise now u have time piece that can gold the useless poms

it's also uhh u can pom smth to lv5 and echo can beef that up to lv10

[still mantle]

Chrolex is basically always going on 2nd or 3rd region anyways, calling card might go on 2nd region depending on your status of core boons

[calm flicker]

However powerful Jeweled Pom is, I wonder if, from a design philosophy standpoint, it should be nerfed to begin with (beyond the fact that it makes Poms obsolete).

[still mantle]

Chrolex is like a complainy cat saying feeeeeed me

[calm flicker]

I'd rather focus the balance monkies on boons.

Namely Ares' Strike/Flourish.

[still mantle]

"Obsolete" really depends on the boon

[calm flicker]

Or how Ares' Rush cannot damage the same enemy more than once per dash.

[merry whale]

idk i think jpom is already embedded into the h2 experience it's too late to take it out now

[still mantle]

Yeah that's bs

[still mantle]

Is it just me or is cut above only triggering once per enemy?

[calm flicker]

It'd likely be overpowered if it could, but I don't know how difficult it would be to add diminishing returns to Ares' Rush when they've hit the same enemy a la Threefold Pin from Silksong.

Or how Aphrodite's Rush is severely wounded by Weak's 1s duration unlike Ring or Gain.

[merry whale]

c'mon we can't let ares the war god be a good god

[calm flicker]

Or how, so many a time, the player deals greater DPS performing a variety of moves than performing moves.

[merry whale]

ye it's like the only reliable omega aspect is charon rn

or at least omega centric

[bitter stirrup]

What about Moros

[still mantle]

It would be annoying to try to line up all 3 anyways

[calm flicker]

Or how rarifying/pomming Hephaestus' Strike/Flourish/Rush actually gets stronger with successive scaling.

[merry whale]

ah yea moros and eos too

[red fox]

Torch is cheating

[still mantle]

is it just me or is cut above only triggering once per enemy

Or is it once per omega move?

[red fox]

Cut above has limit

[calm flicker]

Despite equipping it from time to time, but I can't tell myself.

[still mantle]

How exactly does it work?

[red fox]

There can be only like 3 cut above blade at once

[calm flicker]

Or Excellence & Unseen being unreasonably expensive...

There's a crap ton of balance issues, & I wouldn't start with Jeweled Pom.

[still mantle]

Make excellences legendary chance additive

Then it would have a pretty good niche

[calm flicker]

I'd rather equip Excellence for the blue boons than the Legendaries.

[crude dragon]

Don't forget long-standing grievances like Wide Grin effectively removing Mel Skull's aspect bonus

[red fox]

Wide grin exixsting

[calm flicker]

Most legendary boons have so many preconditions, Excellence may as well increase Legendary chance to 55.

But I'd rather have Excellence cost 3 or so Grasp.

So too Unseen &/or allow Unseen to regenerate Magick whilst channeling moves.

[nova oar]

Excellence increases it to 7.5% at base

[nova oar]

Excellence should be 3, Unseen should be 4

[crude dragon]

If it worked properly on Mel Skull, it'd be the best hammer for it since it'd make all 4 skulls get the full aspect bonus

[still mantle]

And kinda screwing up medeas flow

[still mantle]

Wide grins only purpose is funny omega attack builds

On persephone

[craggy totem]

What the hell you don't unlock the Rivals Chronos song until you beat him like three times

[red fox]

I wish wide grin work on hel for funny unlimited ammo shot gun

[still mantle]

I love putting on jpom and getting a lv. 10 weed killer

With persephone

[still mantle]

I guess

[craggy totem]

Not me walking into the taverna to look at stats and this mf has an exclamation mark on his head

[still mantle]

Then its some random ass mid theme

[craggy totem]

Naw it's the Rivals Chronos song

I don't think anyone can call that a mid theme, it's pretty fire

[still mantle]

That happened like 3 times when I was going for rock and a hard place

[broken creek]

Idk me and luthien hate pretty hard icl

[craggy totem]

Yeah but Luthien hates most of the songs so she doesn't count

[still mantle]

How can she hate this soundtrack

[craggy totem]

Erryone got different tastes

I think I am the only person I know who likes Narcissus' theme as much as I do

[still mantle]

Reflection affection my beloved

[craggy totem]

Yooooo

It's my Crossroads song :]

[still mantle]

I usually just shuffle it

[still mantle]

Or Olympus aflame/doomed city

[craggy totem]

Solid picks 🫡

[still mantle]

Scylla songs get butchered with no lyrics

[craggy totem]

Yeah for sure

[still mantle]

Welp goodnight everyone

Its 21:30 where I live

[merry echo]

Death to chronos is just a remixed version of no escape

[craggy totem]

End of Time is a funky shenanigan

[royal orbit]

So then do your special and attack work in tandem with Medea, or does one take priority over the other?

[craggy totem]

If you have attacks loaded, special hits first and then attack hits

This matters for stuff like where to put your Blitz boon

[nova oar]

And by where they mean always special

[craggy totem]

Or the value of Melting Break

[royal orbit]

So blitz should go attack

[nova oar]

Never

[craggy totem]

No, Blitz goes on special

[royal orbit]

Or sorry special

You would want blitz or scorch on special

[craggy totem]

The reason that people go for Blitz on special is because Medea's attack bonus means you can instantly proc the Blitz

Thus guaranteeing even more damage bonus

Scorch is a great curse with reliable DoT, but doesn't have that special unique synergy

[royal orbit]

So do you normally go damage % boon on special? Like apollo/aphrodite/hestia/demeter

[craggy totem]

No, Blitz on special

[torn wind]

Note to self. Don't play hades after 2 beers at the bar and a glass of brown liquid

[craggy totem]

(Also, Hestia doesn't have a %dmg boon, but I'm assuming you mean Hera prob?)

[torn wind]

32 fear feeling way harder when my reaction time is that of a mild suggestion to move

[nova oar]

No

[royal orbit]

Oh, I see. So attack and special both proc at the same time, so you can trigger both blitz simultaneously?

[craggy totem]

No, you put Blitz on special and % on attack.

Because special hits first.

[royal orbit]

I did, but I also meant to delete Hera lol

[craggy totem]

Hera is a great god to have in your pool, and she does have a %dmg attack boon, so don't delete her :P

[torn wind]

Hera and Zeus are the absolute S tier of gods that you can't really go wrong with

[royal orbit]

But doesn't a Medea build usually target single enemies? Or is it purely situational

[nova oar]

Huh?

[craggy totem]

Hitch means your single target damage becomes multi target damage

[nova oar]

Hitch is just good regardless

[craggy totem]

In the context of attack boons, she also just has a pretty decent %

[nova oar]

You can hit multiple enemies with medea

[red fox]

Attack explosion is larger than you think

[torn wind]

Yeah she has % on par or better than multiple other gods while having a contender for best curse in the game

[royal orbit]

Isn't Hitch when you proc it on a target then damage another before that proc'd target dies

Oh I see it's the aoe

[craggy totem]

Hitch means every Hitched enemy takes a share of the damage that any other Hitched enemy takes

Shared suffering

[nova oar]

Yep

[torn wind]

It's very good at higher fear where you have stuff like hordes and grit and are likely dashing around the room in a frenzy

[nova oar]

Best attack is technically ares

[royal orbit]

I was failing to see how effective medea's aoe was

[craggy totem]

Who cares about a 3s cooldown when the dude will die, I suppose

[torn wind]

Okay let's see how much tipsy Kol chokes at normal typhon

well, frenzy 2 but still

[nova oar]

Opens up heinous

[torn wind]

Normal and I've got Circe staff with storm ring ez pz

[crude dragon]

Even without considering AoE, Hitch is the highest-percentage boon that still inflicts a curse out of the box

[royal orbit]

Yeah I can see why medea with hera attack would be good with horde

[craggy totem]

And if you compare at common rarity, she actually has a higher % than Apollo, although it falls off at higher rarity/level

[crude dragon]

Even for single enemies, it's still instant Origination

[royal orbit]

I've only beat 6 fear so far so I'm not there yet

[torn wind]

Alright I'm going back to Cyberpunk this game is NOT playable while tipsy lol

[royal orbit]

Is aphrodite low tier?

[torn wind]

Overall, probably, from everything I see of people talking about god balancing. She has her uses but I'd willingly pass her up

[craggy totem]

Some would say yes; in the context of Medea attack boons, she's a decent candidate, but not as useful as one of the others already mentioned

High % but doesn't have a useful curse

[torn wind]

Yeah at least something like Heph or Ares can inflict a curse

Heph does rely on Glow though

[royal orbit]

Yeah I don't get hit enough on my good runs to warrant Weak, or even Daze

Daze is more useful imo for sure

[torn wind]

The damage amount of Aphro isn't really good enough to consider against it's lack of curse

[craggy totem]

Weak is useful to have with Sweet Surrender, which is another global damage boost

But it's not as juicy as Back Burner

[torn wind]

Back Burner is meaty

[torpid sky]

Nova Strike:

[rough lintel]

yessir

is aphrodite completely naked in the game lmao

[broken creek]

Bro doesnt know abt greivous blow

[sudden eagle]

The official artwork is showing her wearing leg protection.

[torpid sky]

I'm not a bro so I guess I do know about grievous blow :0

[craggy totem]

A grievous oversight for any who do not

[nova oar]

Heinous affront and greivous blow:

[cunning laurel]

as if nova strike is even close to best attack lol

[red fox]

Well it certainly big

[slim pike]

Best on coat for embiggening

[abstract aspen]

so know I have to kill chronos with which aspect that exist ? here we go again

[abstract aspen]

How can I do godsent favor ? like to have the god I want with moon

[nova oar]

Take either the god you want first, or the hex first and then the god before you upgrade the hex

[abstract aspen]

it's kind of hard to do in a run

[calm flicker]

A bit of an immersion breaker, but all the player needs to do to get a Godsend for whatever Hex they have is to look up the accompanying Olympian.

Then equip the Olympian-summoning keepsake next region.

[slim pike]

if yo really must, but eh

[abstract aspen]

my brain itches reading that

[slim pike]

the only one that'll mess with you is Ares, since you must take the aspect of selene to see it

Basically, there are nine primary boongivers, and nine hexes

[slim pike]

First of all, have you even unlocked godsent hexes?

[calm flicker]

The 9th Hex is locked behind Selene's Xinth.

[abstract aspen]

yes sir !

[slim pike]

okay cool

[abstract aspen]

I'm in a run to kill chronos with melinoe's dagger, after that I'll send you a screen of what godsent I need

[slim pike]

Apollo: Lunar Ray
Zeus: Twilight Curse
Aphrodite: Dark Side
Posideon: Moon Water (Easiest one to remember)
Demeter: Phase Shift
Ares: Sky Fall
Hephaestus: Wolf Howl
Hestia: Total Eclipse
Hera: Night Bloom

[abstract aspen]

what are those ?

[slim pike]

The pairings for godsent hexes

[abstract aspen]

oh

[calm flicker]

The nine Hexes & the accompanying Olympians for each.

Most are easy enough to remember.
Lunar Ray shoots a laser beam. Apollo laser light.
Wolf Howl has Melinoe perform a ground pound. Hephaestus hammer pound.
Moon Water. Poseidon water.

[slim pike]

Demeter slows them down

Don't think too hard about the zeus one though

[calm flicker]

Total Eclipse. Fireball. Hestia fireball.

[slim pike]

(Zeus liked to shapeshift himself in the legends for uhh.... reasons)

[calm flicker]

Huh. I didn't make that connection. I just know that, in Hades 1, one of Zeus' boons have dropped Bloodstones damage surrounding enemies with lightning.

[slim pike]

That's was the artemis zeus duo

[calm flicker]

At any rate, Zeus' Godsend is good for adding DMG as the morph ball orbits around a Guardian.

[slim pike]

and for triggering the funniest easter egg against unrivalled typhon

(It's a non-gameplay affecting easter egg, but it makes me giggle every time I proc it)

[whole lantern]

Oh Unrivalled Typhon also has an easter egg for Zeus' Godsend?

[slim pike]

yes

I won't spoil it, but think... Zeus isn't supposed to show up during that battle... so how does the godsent work?

[plush dragon]

so far, i have 4 wins in the underworld and and amnaged to reach the Typhon twice, but still no wins there
with underworld, i feel like every run there is now a guranteed W for me

[calm flicker]

I thoroughly enjoyed it when I had purple Task Force.

[plush dragon]

when i originally played hades 1 it took me 41 run attempts for my first succesful one, and now im like... 70 nights? 74? in the 70s of run attempts

[slim pike]

dang, are you upgrading your arcana and grasp right?

You did notice you can upgrade grasp.... right?

[plush dragon]

yes, i did upgrade regularly and now i have 30 grasp lmao, and using it all

the game in the udnerworld is easy for me now, i dont struggle there at all

its just, it took a while to properly learn for me lmao

[slim pike]

Are you just getting beaten up by prometheus and then staggering over to typhon to get chinslammed to death?

[plush dragon]

actually, a lot of my loses where to... eris, shes resposnible for a lot of my Ls on the surface

[slim pike]

Okay, easier fix

stop being a coward against her, get in her face, the moment she winds up an attack, dash through her

don't circle strafe at a distance

She's a bully, stand up to her

[plush dragon]

😮

[slim pike]

also don't get too greedy on her final phase

you need to make a snap judgement as to whether you can dash through her in time or to just run away

again, don't try to dodge bullets, you aren't neo, go out of range or behind her

do this and she becomes free remarkably quickly

[winter egret]

Yeah eris is easy once you know always to just be behind her when she attacks, her turning radius is so slow, hardest surface boss by far is Prometheus

[plush dragon]

damn, i just checked my log of runs (idk how to call it)
2 straight underworld wins, followed by 9 failed surface runs where i only managed to get to typhon on the 9th, and then an underworld win again
im 4-of 5 on my last underworld runs, damn

[winter egret]

damn

language filter

[merry echo]

Oh i see i see

[plush dragon]

and those last 4 wins were kinda easy for me too - it took me a long time to actually get good at this game, and now that im good at underworld section, now i need to get fully get good at the sruface

[slim pike]

Just need to git gudder

Stop getting shot and kicked in the face

[plush dragon]

btw, my last run was with aspect of medea cuz i heard its totally broken with the attacks
i mostly used specials and casts and a little bit of selene lol, but ill believe that attacks are totally broken for medea if everyone says so

an early problem for me was that i would rely too much on death defiances

and i still kind of need them on the surface, cuz on the sruface a lot of the time im like

"OH GOD OH GOD PLS ATHENA SHOW UP WITH EXTRA DEATH DEFINACES"

[slim pike]

stop overloading your attack

This is the mistake everyone makes at first. Load one skull then do a special

[plush dragon]

OOOOHHH, okay

[slim pike]

do not take wide grin

definitely take possessed array because it's busted on any skull aspect

[plush dragon]

im still bad with names of each boons and dedelus hammers, so i just had to look it up on wiki lol

i mostly remember them by what they do rether then their actual names... i probably should learn the actual names if i wanna git good

[slim pike]

you ideally want curses on your attack and special

and a gain that makes it easy to maintain the Huntress arcana

blitz on special because it's blitz and blitz makes you win

Blitz.

[winter egret]

Something that really helped me with surface runs

Umbral flames
Hera - Sworn strike
Hera- Fine Line

Basically, you want a huge magic pool, with good magic regen and any of the boons that do like "Cast X when you use your Omega, but your Omega uses X more Mana"

It felt REALY strong in the surface, and you can just hold down attack and focus on dodging.

[golden egret]

Possessed array feels like cheating. It’s so good, wait no, it’s TOO good.

[slim pike]

Yeah, it's like trick knives for the blades. It's stupid to say no to it and it kinda takes over the build you had going

[golden egret]

Wouldn’t you also put Hera on special to apply hitch basically everywhere?

[winter egret]

Yeah

[slim pike]

Avoid using the same god on attack and special whenever possible. It's basically never a good idea

[winter egret]

you can try double up curses though

[golden egret]

Why Hera on attack tho.

[slim pike]

Why indeed

[golden egret]

Just put like anything else.

[slim pike]

You kinda want Sudden Burst for this combo

wave strike and play for ripple effect

[winter egret]

I dunno, it worked for me when I was struggling, I'm not a build planner or anything, the guy just said he was struggling with surface runs

[golden egret]

Also I had a run where I didn’t get a special boon until Tartarus with Moros Torches, and omega special was still on top.

[winter egret]

I never lost a surface run with those attacks

[slim pike]

That's fair, just saying stick to the actually neccessary part of the combo

Torches in general are a little safer since you can keep your distance, the repeating omega attacks lets you build around omega procs more

(Yesterday's Coffin Nail/Cut Above run was extremely enlightening)

[winter egret]

My favourite weapon by far to use is Aspect of Shiva Black Coat, that is such a fun weapon to use.

I wish I knew how to build it right, I just use apollo on special and blow the room up.

[golden egret]

Speaking of cut above, it’s really good on the torches. You constantly summon the blades with omega specials.

[slim pike]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1471227711350378529/2017B21.JPG?ex=698ed3d4&is=698d8254&hm=8089bade894c7b66ce47337f61871467b8068a90a1ce4a0c1c0409fc8d0aee4b&

You really want coffin nail though, cut above has a hard limit of 3 swords existing at once

[golden egret]

Torches might be the best weapon for a cut above build.

I need to try it.

[winter egret]

I wanna try that too, that looks OP as heck

only 5 extra mana and same damage as fine line pretty much

[slim pike]

Hidden aspects have a thing where it's easy to be drawn to the property that ranks up

You don't have to build to that, the entire moveset is different

[winter egret]

yeah I did like a hybrid omega build with shiva, and my punches were hitting for like 6k

it was great.

[slim pike]

you can just brawl with its improved attack sequence

[golden egret]

I love how the omega special always ends on top with the torches no matter what. It’s just that good.

[winter egret]

Was it buffed before 1.0 came out? I tried to get info on it, and all the stuff is from like a year ago saying it was terrible.

Aspect of shiva is what I mean by the way

[slim pike]

40, 40 , 70x2

shiva isn't the best, but it is a heavy hitter

[winter egret]

It's a fun aspect to use imo, best is clearly those skulls which I don't dare touch cause my shmovement is no where near good enough for that.

[slim pike]

Also I will always stan nova strike on the coat because of its abnormally big size change

[winter egret]

A lot of people were saying they had issues getting the 6 destruction stacks or whatever they are called, but I never really have an issue with that, especially with nova strike, it bounces 3 times now, did it use to only bounce twice?

[slim pike]

It didn't bounce at all, destructive worked differently too, but worst of all was the projectile taking twice as long to actually land

damn thing felt it was being trick-shot off the top of olympus and back down again

[winter egret]

ah so they definitly improved it then

[slim pike]

the only reasonable way to max out your desctructive ranks was with counter-supreme

[winter egret]

Feels really good to use now

[slim pike]

but destructive itself was actually better

if you could get it

basically once you had it, using your attack on low hp enemies instakilled them

and what defined as "low health" increased with more ranks of destructive

(oh and the stacks didn't even last that long unless you refreshed them, ouch)

[winter egret]

So it wasn't an omega thing, just an attack thing?

[slim pike]

just an attack thing

[winter egret]

Crazy, now I guess it's a slower gameplay loop, but bigger numbers

[slim pike]

Right now it's still kinda awkward since dealing a big single AoE pile of damage isn't actually that useful, particularly in high fear where wards just eat it

but hey, at least you can just throw your omega special at things with the express intent of dealing damage with the omega special

[winter egret]

I've not really gone into any high fear runs or anything, not even cleared the first fear "feat" think its 8 and 6 or something

[slim pike]

these changes also made elephant rockets go from being absolutely essential to actually a really awkward pick

[winter egret]

I'm not sure what to do in the postgame, I only just completed credits yesterday

[queen cosmos]

We

[stuck minnow]

okay how tf do i get nightmares

[slim pike]

take the oath

(right by the entry way to the runstarts)

it will tell you about the testaments of the night

kill the bosses it says, with the weapons it specifies, with at least the fear level set to what it asks

[royal orbit]

Have they patched the wolf howl typhon cheese?

[slim pike]

Where you can jump into him? yeah

[brave urchin]

Has been a while. How is the Hades 2 community doing?

[pulsar rose]

you need to have beaten chronos once, a big rock will show up by where you exit. you turn on the things that make it harder and beat the right boss per weapon

[pulsar rose]

good! :D

[brave urchin]

You think Supergiant is working hard on their next title?

Or will we get another patch for Hades 2?

[buoyant matrix]

they're likely working on the ps5/xbox versions

[pulsar rose]

honestly idk, i kinda hope there'll be a hades 3 but ik its SO unlikely that it will happen

i just want more content i love both games

[buoyant matrix]

the epilogue confirmed there will not be a hades 3

[pulsar rose]

ah i havent done that yet

ughghhghgh im too lazy to grind up my vow of rivals

[buoyant matrix]

you don't need that for the epilogue

[pulsar rose]

oh

i remember being told that maybe was wrong

how do you get it then? i alr have the true ending

[buoyant matrix]

you have to do a lot of minor prophecies and i think advance your relationship with moros

at some point moros will say that something happened to the fated list

[pulsar rose]

oh i've been working on romancing moros since i started.

finally trust deepend so i should be able to finish romancing him soon

[winter egret]

I think you gotta do a couple of surface and underworld runs to talk to like Prometheus and Chronos, and some other stuff, get a few hearts with people like Moros and Hecete

[buoyant matrix]

iirc his romance needs you to die in a run, in case you've been winning all your runs 😁

[pulsar rose]

oh

[winter egret]

Then do the fated list to find the fates

[pulsar rose]

i have 🙏 thank u for telling me XD

[pulsar rose]

lemme check which fates quest im on one sec

im on melinoe seek us

do i need to deepend my bond with everyone it says on there?

[winter egret]

Yeah I think you gotta talk to prometheus, only way you can do that is surface runs, apparantly eventually he reveals something

[pulsar rose]

ughghghhghghgh

[winter egret]

I've still not done it yet

[pulsar rose]

i hate surface i literally only do underworld

[buoyant matrix]

no, you can't gift some of them

[pulsar rose]

welp ok

[pulsar rose]

oh

[winter egret]

I dunno if you win it matters or if you just need to talk to him

I hope not cause I hate prometheus fight, and thypon is a pain

[stuck minnow]

bro why do i need to beat chronos to upgrade thanatos 💀

[pulsar rose]

LITERALLY MY EXACT THOUGHTS AND WEAPON

dont use than until you can level it with nightmare, i'd reccomend probably torches

i stuck with than all the way and it was such a pain

[winter egret]

Torches is so good for easy wins

but a bit boring to use

[stuck minnow]

I don't like torches

[pulsar rose]

with poseidon attack

[stuck minnow]

Descura and Zorephet are my main weapons

[pulsar rose]

which one is decura again i lowk forgot

[winter egret]

I've never lost a run with Torches vs Thyphon

[stuck minnow]

Descura is the staff

[pulsar rose]

ah ok

[stuck minnow]

I've maxxed out the aspect of Melinoë on both

[pulsar rose]

use whatever you want, i'd just not reccomend using than until you get it upgraded

[winter egret]

My main weapon is Black Coat, cause beating the snot out of people is fun.

[pulsar rose]

its good unupgraded but theres better options

[pulsar rose]

tbh ihate coat

[winter egret]

Shiva coat is so fun though

[pulsar rose]

i just pray for poseidon special whenever i play it

[stuck minnow]

I like using the Knuckle Bones fr
"Remember me, cyclops?"

[winter egret]

You should try Shiva coat if you havn't already

[pulsar rose]

i kinda dont have shiva

[jolly hound]

Poseidon attack on any coat go brr

[stuck minnow]

I don't even have Xinth to begin with

[pulsar rose]

no i pretty much ONLY played aspect of than for the entire game

i have 60 or so than runs and less than 10 on everything else

[winter egret]

You know how to get Shiva?

[pulsar rose]

(not an exageration)

[pulsar rose]

ik rank 5 on a coat but idk who gives the phrase

[winter egret]

Selene

[pulsar rose]

ah i see

[jolly hound]

Can’t be Mel coat

[pulsar rose]

yea ik

[winter egret]

Rank 5 Selene, then talk to Selene that's what I did, I heard nyx coat is bad

[pulsar rose]

i literally just changed over to nergal

ah ok, thanks

tbh i dont like selene coat, i would take moonwater over the special hex any day

[jolly hound]

it only really works with an on hit effect on attack but I’d say it’s better than Selene

[royal orbit]

I'm extremely excited for Supergiant's next IP, though. You already know it's gonna be pure fire

[jolly hound]

Also needs a good mana regen

[shell herald]

https://x.com/leikjarinn/status/2021966045452394637?s=46 🤣

[turbid loom]

Nyx coat is tough

I feel like Selene is mid asf

Melinoe feels ok but kinda boring

[winter egret]

I mean, they both aren't great compared to Shiva and Melinoe

But shiva is outstandingly good

[thorny snow]

how do I trigger "we shall attempt to reach you thus again" in the 'melinoe, seek us' fated list thing?

[jolly hound]

do all the stuff it says to do, then use the moros pin keepsake in Oceanus, have it pop, finish the room before time expires, do that again, then do it once more but let yourself die that time

god mode q: if i turn it on now, will it automatically jump to 80% damage resistance (i wanna practice my rivals chronos)

[slim pike]

if it was up to there before, but you can adjust it iirc

[jolly hound]

Nah I’ve never used it

[crude dragon]

Nyx Coat has been good ever since they let the thing proc effects

[lime locust]

Vow of Rivals Spoiler: ||Just did the Typhon Fight with Vow of Rivals and Chronos freaking Flashbanged me during the cutscene by doing his Scythe spinning animation after jumping to the foreground. I play in relative darkness and the TV was turning my living room into a disco.||

[winter egret]

How do I gift chronos Nectar, and how many do I need to give him to continue the epilogue? Also Moros isn't accepting any more gifts at the moment, and how many gifts do I need to give herecles? considering it's a random event, and seemly chronos doesn't always appear between the first and second zone?

[old veldt]

After Erebus you can

Idk about Hercules and for moros you need to complete 35 prophecies as well as have 3 conversations about eos

[winter egret]

oh

[old veldt]

Chronos should appear

[winter egret]

damn I need 4 more prophecies...

[jolly hound]

you need to win a run on both surface and uw and have a few rounds of dialogue before nectar option opens. i'd prob need at least a week before having a beer with the guy who kidnapped my cat no matter what therapy he did in the past week tbh it makes sense narratively

[sterile prism]

did poseiden get nerfed

its giving me 20 on the attack

[lament owl]

Poseiden is mid in both hades in my opinion

[sterile prism]

idk, Ive been playing a lot of skull recently and its not great

it was alright on coat

[lament owl]

Love Skull

[sterile prism]

with rmb cast

Im using skull like a gun

[lament owl]

I normally use it as a gun too, never use the rush attack lol

[sterile prism]

turning off the omega moves

and just going fire or water for lmb

[lament owl]

The aoe move is extremely good for group killing

[sterile prism]

yea but I dont want to give myself carpral tunnel by clicking for attacking

[lament owl]

you just hold down the button?

[sterile prism]

pretty much

[lament owl]

yeah that move is good

[sterile prism]

rmb is an extra dash

[lament owl]

rmb is ass imo

[sterile prism]

its useful for dodging some boss moves

helps with typhon quite a bit for me

[lament owl]

Typhon I just spam into him with the skulls

[sterile prism]

yea but I have trouble with his orb attack that bounces twice

so I use two dashes to dodge

[lament owl]

Yeah that one is odd

[sterile prism]

I wish I had some way to activate selene though if I wanted to

[lament owl]

The ult that makes you invincible is really nice for typhon

[sterile prism]

ye

anyway, Im going to head off to sleep

cya

[lament owl]

alright

cya

[crude dragon]

Surely you mean Wolf Howl

[craggy totem]

Lol

[lament owl]

I like Dark side more

[craggy totem]

Nah, I remember being new and finding the Wolf Howl timing/targeting to be a bit odd, and finding Dark Side easier to understand

IMO all ya need is a bit of time to get used to it and it's pretty, well...........
fire

:D

[lament owl]

I don't really care for it really. Dark side or like Phase Shift is what I use mostly

[bitter stirrup]

More like it's pretty cold

[bitter stirrup]

Shoutout to that Tranquil Gain Wolf Howl build that just makes you invincible

[lament owl]

Total Eclipse is pretty nice too

[shell lake]

Anyone have advice for the surface route? I can never seem to make it far, the last two areas cook me, and prometheus is no joke too

[jolly hound]

someone explain wolf howl, it feels so underwhelming. I do love my moon water and twilight curse and zombie Hera servant thing and I’m also an occasional Hestia hellbomb enjoyer (won 50f with it cause it cleared an entire wave every room lol)

[merry whale]

what in particular is getting u in the two regions

[tranquil wren]

repositioning and iframes, at least that's what I use it for

[lament owl]

Think Prometheus was the only boss I first tried, You kinda just backshot him over and over. Honesty just play more passive while he has the bird out and make sure he doesn't land aoes in the middle of the area.

[mild arch]

Are there any good builds for the aspect os supay?

[bitter stirrup]

Romantic Spark

[merry whale]

wolf howl's primary purpose is a 2 second (or so) window of invulnerability, basically i rarely use it for the actual dmg output and instead use it for mobility and a get-out-of-jail option

[mild arch]

thx

[shell lake]

Those birds and the chunky robot things honestly. Maybe I’m playing too aggressively? And I haven’t made it far into the final region as i have only beaten Prometheus once.

And sorry, i dont know the names of enemies

[real scarab]

You have to play more and get used to the enemy patterns, surface mobs hit really hard. Try to get a lot of defensive boons like snow queen, hasty retreat, hot pot,... etc.

[merry whale]

poseidon rush is considered one of the better rush boons to get, because the dmg output is decent and also it hitstuns

[mild arch]

Aspect of supay is one my least favourite aspects by far

[craggy totem]

Robots: learn their animations/tells and get to cover immediately if they gear up for the machinegun move. Know that if you freeze a robot when it's in the middle of the "whirligig of pain" move, it can and will still damage you when you touch it

Dodge out of the way (or do moar damage lol) if they settle down to start doing the "circling orbs" move. Etc.

[real scarab]

Also twilight curse is goated on surface

[craggy totem]

( ☝️ +Don't complain about the damage, it's the utility of making it so things can't hurt you)

[merry whale]

oh yea the olympus birds and robots are difficult, for the birds i think u wanna plant ur cast down so it's easier to hit em

[crude dragon]

Unfortunately, Dark Side is very bad

You just kinda stand there menacingly and that's about it

[craggy totem]

TBF if you aint fully up on how to maximize your build strength anyway.....

[crude dragon]

You want Poseidon on the Attack

[merry whale]

dark side is actually kinda decent but u need to juice it up with nodes to make it at least do noticeable dmg

or aphro godsent

[crude dragon]

Nah, even the Godsent only takes it up to mediocre

[merry whale]

wtf

[craggy totem]

Does the godsent even get to break the heartthrob cap, the way that Hestia godsent breaks Scorch cap?

[merry whale]

r we playing the same game

[crude dragon]

Nope

[craggy totem]

That's pretty sad

[lament owl]

don't agree, think its one of the best in the game. great for getting you out of a bad spot and get free dps without caring.

[timid vigil]

it's still the worst hex by far

[crude dragon]

So does Wolf Howl, and not only is it cheaper, it's on demand rather than being something you're locked into for its duration

[merry whale]

aphro godsent is insaaane it's literally free dmg

[craggy totem]

Ya gotta realize you're talkin to some folks who are quite good at the game, so they can make builds that outdamage Dark Side by seven bajillion percent

[mild arch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1282422116641411185/1471567397302304922/image.png?ex=698f676f&is=698e15ef&hm=e5f320f18a21bc691053183a8ea3c5e9dbea95fb70fedb9b3a4ea3de6c06ebd3&
Hmmm which do i go for lol

[crude dragon]

If you could hit the Hex again to cancel Dark Side early, it'd be a lot better

[timid vigil]

I'll be 100% for real even when I was starting I picked dark side maybe once and realized how bad it was

[timid vigil]

I've been saying this

It would be marginally better, still the worst hex in the game but a bit better

[lament owl]

Eh, I'd hope you can out dps it. I think it's at least top 3

[craggy totem]

Hast thou consider'd maybe thou'rt simply good at games

[crude dragon]

Doesn't even need to refund you, just the ability to cancel it on demand would make it a lot more appealing

[merry whale]

dark side godsent benefits a ton from getting the extended duration nodes, plus because heartthrobs have a hitstun effect it makes dark side last even longer meaning more heartthrob spawns

[craggy totem]

Absolutely not top 3, sorry to say

[lament owl]

agree to disagree

[crude dragon]

Top 3 is Howl, Curse, and Ray

[merry whale]

ray is assss

[lament owl]

ray? lol

[crude dragon]

Ray is used as an armor on demand, not for damage

[timid vigil]

ray is good with the right upgrades but still ass

[craggy totem]

I'm gonna be even more controversial and say that without investment via paths of stars/upgrades, the top three are Wolf Howl, Twilight Curse, and Sky Fall

Come at me bro

[lament owl]

Couldn't make me use ray

[crude dragon]

If you get Prominence, Ray gets to get used for damage

[merry whale]

night bloom

[timid vigil]

You're right I think the issue with Skyfall is that its locked on a weapon where you don't want to use omegas

[craggy totem]

I like Night Bloom funnies but having to wait for boss add summons feelsbad

[timid vigil]

give me Skyfall on moros I would be rejoicing

[crude dragon]

I mean, you can use Omegas on the Coat, it's just that the OAttack is dogwater

[crude dragon]

Skyfall on axe

[timid vigil]

And the ospecial too

[merry whale]

tru, but also night bloomed enemies can block sheep curse so it works out

[timid vigil]

They're clunky and weird

Wanna use omegas on coat? Shiva is right there

[craggy totem]

Ospecial is a bit clunky but not that bad

[lament owl]

Never really used Skyfall

[craggy totem]

Have you unlocked it?

[merry whale]

alternate universe where supay was the skyfall aspect

[lament owl]

idk

[craggy totem]

It's locked to a specific weapon aspect

[lament owl]

think you need the armor or whatever

[merry whale]

sky fall gets nutty boss value

[lament owl]

don't really use it

[timid vigil]

alternate universe where Skyfall is just a basic hex and instead of aspect of selene we have aspect of Icarus and it's actually a decent aspect instead of ass

[merry whale]

finally inherent hazard boom

[craggy totem]

Aspect of Icarus would be cute

Her girlfriends are wielding H1 aspects and her boyfriends are giving her new aspects

[crude dragon]

Aspect of Icarus: Hammers have a chance to be rank 2

[timid vigil]

and it was such an obvious choice

[craggy totem]

Yeah it's a very Icarusy weapon

[timid vigil]

imagine a coat made of wax it would look so cool

[merry whale]

hold on we have 2 hammers only it should be all hammer be rank 2

rank 2 ripper rockets 👍

[crude dragon]

Or imagine it being something he improves on in the future so it's even more advanced mechanical wings

[craggy totem]

Or make it like Persephone.... %chance for hammers to be upgraded by one to n levels. Rank 3-4 that don't even exist elsewhere :P

[timid vigil]

Aspect of Icarus: hitting an enemy with a fully charged oattack gives you flight

Flight: Gain 20% dodge for the duration, every time you dodge an enemy immediately launch a special towards them

And then upgrading the ranks would increase the duration of flight

[jolly hound]

makes sense

[calm flicker]

Man. I finally got to Prometheus' high Fear dialogue again after exhausting enough conversations with him in my 2nd save file. It's pretty damn cool.

I've forgotten why he seethed after looking into the future once thought impossible until now.

[lament owl]

I've been doing run after run after run trying to do the knuckle bone thing quest and not getting it

[jolly hound]

pisses me off how much sense he makes when he talks

[calm flicker]

I'm rather pissed off how much Melinoe continues to antagonize Prometheus.

[jolly hound]

Was way easier to just kick the crap out of Theseus. I feel bad sometimes fighting promo

[craggy totem]

I mean, he knew what he was in for, definitionally :P

[jolly hound]

Wish he came to the feast

[lament owl]

I don't even understand why he keeps fighting us. like he already knows we're going to beat him. So, like why you fighting us if he changes nothing.

[jolly hound]

he’s a masochist

[craggy totem]

Have you finished playing the game?

[calm flicker]

"If it were not for me, you'd not see any remain of Typhon."

[craggy totem]

This is answered in his dialogue, if you pay attention

[lament owl]

got the basic ending. not the final ending tho

[craggy totem]

I mean, tldr but ||he's basically just doing it as an even tougher-love version of Hecate, essentially||

[lament owl]

maybe I just looked over it, but he's been talking about dora for a while

[craggy totem]

OFC his motivation isn't centered around her specifically, more that ||he can tell this kind of path is what it will take to eventually bring about his own goals, even if it means getting kicked in the teeth a few hundred times on his part||

[jolly hound]

||he got his liver ripped out every day for a bajillion years, he can take a moon bomb to the face and it’s relatively minor||

[lament owl]

bro might just be into it

[jolly hound]

it’s far from the kinkiest thing that happens in the Greek cinematic universe

[lament owl]

true

[lament owl]

tried out the first rival bosses. wild stuff

[mild arch]

how many ranks are there in the spirit mixer?

[buoyant matrix]

50

5 ranks and each has 10 tiers

[mild arch]

[mortal dragon]

Let. 👏 Me. 👏 Sell. 👏 Nectar. 👏

[abstract aspen]

no

[craggy totem]

The real reason to use rerolls and/or Artificer

To turn the nectar into something that you can sell for kudos 😂

[mortal dragon]

It works even! You can flavor it as getting a round for the Taverna.

[nimble inlet]

Does anyone know how to fix it if the audio in hades II stops working?

Any ideas? (And only in hades 2 the audio for everything else works)

[mild arch]

what happens if you get a death defiance refill if you already have full death defiances

[timid vigil]

they are not offered

[mild arch]

I just got 1 offered in the hermes shop

[timid vigil]

and youre full dds?

[mild arch]

yeah

at the start of the encounter i was missing 1 and at the end of the encounter i got it back from 1 i ordered from hermes a few rounds back and in the same room the hermes shop offered one refill

[timid vigil]

ah makes sense

[craggy totem]

Huh, so does it go off what you enter with?

[median plinth]

I've had one delivered after athena refills, I could not pick it up

[timid vigil]

i think nothing happens cause it says "refill"

[timid vigil]

i didnt know this was possible

[cunning laurel]

it can happen with nem too

[timid vigil]

nem can give you a DD?

[cunning laurel]

pretty rare but yea

[timid vigil]

thats what playing strength all the time does, i had NO idea she could give you a kiss of styx

[cunning laurel]

did you know narc can too

[timid vigil]

yeah cause of the prophecy

which i completed only on 1.0

[shell lake]

Would you guys say that lucky tooth or Odysseus’s keepsake is better

[timid vigil]

in fact it was quite helpful when i was going for 62 fear

[crude dragon]

Od for Strength, Tooth never

[timid vigil]

both are kinda mid but odysseus has a good use on one of the rivals bosses

[crude dragon]

Doesn't it also have a good use case for Unrivaled Sirens?

[shell lake]

Really? Then what should you use in the final areas? Usually i run one of the two

[timid vigil]

antler, lion fang, engraved pin

[crude dragon]

Antler, Pin, Fang, occasionally Amulet

[timid vigil]

does it work for them? i assumed it didnt since its a single life bar, but anyway its hard to pick knucklebones on region 2

[mild arch]

||Does that damage both heracles and prometheus?||

[cunning laurel]

yea its a lot less applicable

[timid vigil]

Yes

[mild arch]

I never knew that

[buoyant matrix]

yes and it gets multiplied through hitch

chairloom knuckle bones with a juicy hereditary bane can instaphase both of them

[naive pier]

Aspect of Medea is fun because you get to play like a 6 year old who doesn't know how to play video games and just button mash, and you get results

[craggy totem]

Haha that's so different from my experience of it

If I just try mashin on Medea I end up in random places on the map having whiffed seventeen specials in a row

[mild arch]

Lol same

Honestly my fav aspect of the skull is aspect of hel

Medea is 2nd

[naive pier]

I use Hel for Underworld, and Medea for Overworld because Typhon is such a big target.

[mild arch]

Oh yeah medea is so good against typhon