h2-discussion

[torn wind]

Still potentially worth if your run is going well

[crude dragon]

It's a Legendary, it'll prime the same as a Heroic

[torn wind]

Well yeah but I mean the infusions obviously

[timid coyote]

this game is a pleasant palate cleanser

[calm flicker]

What's the auto-fire button?

I assume this is a thing for the gamepad.

[craggy totem]

As I understand it, it's like autosprint but for hitting stuff instead of sprint

[sick fractal]

Any tips for scylla fear mode. I've fought her twice and have basically gone through all of my death defiances. It's so overwhelming

[brave gate]

It’s turned off by default. But it’s left trigger, at least it is for the ps5 controller

[brave gate]

At the start of the fight, run to the bottom of the arena (next to Charybdis’ body). If you hug the edge the tentacles can’t hit you with their melee and Roxy’s circles won’t touch you.

After that, run in circles around the arena getting damage in wherever you can. Don’t stay in one spot.

[grave cairn]

ahh I'm far from the best player but I tend to make sure I have a decent cast, do a fair amount of dodging, then what I usually do is the same as with normal Scylla I prefer to take out Jetty first so there's less to dodge on the main floor and then drop the casts on the tentacles whilst taking hits on Scylla and Roxy whenever possible

[raw kraken]

just take it slow and run around the stage chipping down each enemy

[jolly hound]

You’re prob used to killing Roxy first, don’t do that. Run laps around and whittle them down over time, don’t focus one target too long or you’ll get lit up. And if you’re able to have a godsent Hestia hex online, you’ll basically automatically win

[brave gate]

It’s BS that twilight curse doesn’t work on the tentacles even though it works on them in the Warden fight 🙄

[jolly hound]

yeah, though if you have the upgrade that makes it do 400 damage to bosses, that will also lead to a way easier time

[brave gate]

Yeah. Or Zeus godsend

Zeus Godsend is so much damage even if you for don’t have the +400 damage to guardians upgrade

[crude dragon]

Either try to immediately clear the tentacles next to Roxy and kill her as usual (assuming you have strong enough damage), or start from the bottom near Charybdis and work your way up

[jolly hound]

this is gonna sound silly but it works, listen to the songs outside of the fight. Eventually it’ll just feel like guitar hero

[brave gate]

I like how we have told this person 3 separate things 😭

[jolly hound]

they will learn

now we’ve got you in our tentacles… TENTACLES

[brave gate]

(ft. Charybdis)

[crude dragon]

Charybdis noises

[brave gate]

Did ya’ll see that someone did 67f surface with the Coat the other day?

[crude dragon]

Which Coat?

[brave gate]

Let me find the post

[still mantle]

you can use what you want but I prefer strength until higher fear

[brave gate]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Hades2/s/vyIlDxzKwq
Melinoë

[jolly hound]

Higher fear meaning vow of scars 3 or something else

[crude dragon]

Well damn

[still mantle]

Yeah which you usually don't slap on until late

[brave gate]

Hephaestus on both attack and special is the wildest part

And the cooldowns aren’t super low either 😭

[trim flume]

What is y'alls favorite Scylla song

I am personally partial to Bewitching Eyes

[torn wind]

No Poseidon duo or JPom?

[craggy totem]

Y'all should watch that coat 67F Surface clear btw, it's got some nice commentary on

[brave gate]

Im talking about that guys run specifically

How does Apollow legendary worth with the axe omega attacks?

[torn wind]

It makes it happen again after it finishes

So you get a second whirlwind without channeling

Really good with psychic whirlwind on nergal

[brave gate]

gotcha

Apollo Legendary + Psychic Whirlwind + Apollo and Zeus duo + Demter and Ares duo would be REALLY funny

[craggy totem]

The logic was logical! The primary consideration against that on a normal run would be "where's your origination, bub?", but at 67F, you ain't got no damn origination

*I hear you also say "but what about onhits" and the answer is "static shock"

[brave gate]

Yeah not saying it was a dumb idea

[torn wind]

I had a run with that with cut above, didn’t manage to get blitz and arc flash on attack but had Apollo attack so it was MASSIVE

[calm flicker]

What's the threshold for Eris to spawn? I didn't know meeting her in region 3 grants Psyche.

[still mantle]

Coral crown

[calm flicker]

She's been very helpful.

[still mantle]

Hands down

[torn wind]

I… well this is new information lol

How rare is this?

[brave gate]

When the 1/7 Aromatic Phial gamble hits

[calm flicker]

She halts the player from advancing too quickly in the first 10 runs. She applies a permanent, ever-stacking "DMG received" debuff & provides 20 Ashes.

Or... 50 Psyche if you meet her in region 2.

[still mantle]

I think its 50%

[torn wind]

Ahhhh that

I remember hearing about that now

[calm flicker]

Yeah, I'm doing a new save file.

When I first played Hades 2, I saw her in run 1.

I was relieved to see the Adamant Rail cameo.

Hum. I also wished to see the Eternal Spear, Coronacht, & Twin Fists star in Hades 2.

[brave gate]

Is it proportional to how much you charged the initial one?

[torn wind]

Should be

I wish there was a built in way to build test in a practice room or something

But would fit outside game lore sadly unless they made it like a chaos thing

[calm flicker]

I don't like the idea of the Twin Fists concurrently being wielded by a meager miniboss. Hephaestus mentions he's working on a better Talos.

[calm flicker]

It really took me a while to discover the small advantage Furious Whirlwind has over Psychic Whirlwind, or if Seething Maurader triggers on-hit effects.

[torn wind]

Yeah as far as damage I’m sure it’s better

It’s just a bit more commitment

[brave gate]

I suck so much with the axes. Especially against Rivals Prometheus

[torn wind]

I dumpstered rivals Prometheus my first two runs but I had really strong builds both times

[brave gate]

No clue what's wrong with me but I either no-hit rivals Polyphemus or tak an ungodly amount of damage

[torn wind]

Yeah for sure

[brave gate]

F me I forgot to switch back to DDs for my 48f run 😭

[torn wind]

Whoops

[final saddle]

It’s exactly like the surface in H1

You either sprint the poisoned razor’s edge or you immediately faceplant on it

[hardy panther]

sometimes i feel like aphro boons are just not good

[red fox]

Yes

[torn wind]

Other than the raw damage if you manage to get island getaway yeah it’s mostly not worth it

[hardy panther]

glamour gain is ass, heartthrobs are kinda dookie, no curse on special & attack, lackluster cast

[red fox]

Atk is bad, dash is mostly bad, gain is not really a gain

Cast is the good one

[calm flicker]

I tend to avoid Aphrodite's Strike/Flourish. I wish her Rush has a bigger radius. I like her Ring & Gain.

[hardy panther]

like the dash is fine for origination i guess

[red fox]

Dash is bad for origination

1 sec curse I can't

[hardy panther]

I mean id rather have it than literally no curse

like Zeus/Ares dash

[calm flicker]

Likewise.

[red fox]

It last for 1 sec unless you are dash strike weapon it is basically no curse

[calm flicker]

As far as I'm concerned, it's a Curse-applying Dash.

[hardy panther]

but yeah her attack and special are like just Bad

and the rest of her supporting boons arent good either, her duos arent that good either

[craggy totem]

@calm flicker You might want to hit up the fresh file guide here, it might have info you're interested in

[red fox]

The special has actual number so it ain't that bad

[hardy panther]

Apollo just makes everyone else look bad in terms of dash & origination tbh

[craggy totem]

I don't like taking his rush on Mel coat :P

2fast5me my brain cannot

[hardy panther]

True yes, special is good for raw damage but the thing is that her duos are like

Meh, and the gods she has good duos with dont lend well to origination uptime either

[calm flicker]

It's a shame. I really like Aphrodite's boons in Hades 1 since I've been playing it as of late.

[red fox]

Aphro in h1 is good, big % with curse

And weak having actual duration too

[brave gate]

Okay new 48f run with DDs this time lol. Using Mel staff and got Twin specials hammer, Apollo special, and epic ares attack right away so thats good

[calm flicker]

Her Shot boon is really good for triggering Origination/Privileged Status.

[hardy panther]

ares is also like worse imo

[dreamy prawn]

did sg say anything abt adding new steam points shop items anytime soon?

[calm flicker]

I do like what Supergiant were going for when they reduced Weak's duration to 1 second. Her Ring & Gain can manage. I wish her Rush had greater range & duration, however.

[hardy panther]

atleast in h1 u could make him good with duos but now his duos are just Heinous Affront or Heinous Affront

[calm flicker]

I wish Wounds was only considered Olympian DMG instead of "base power".

[hardy panther]

for persephone skull?

[craggy totem]

Wounds itself should really be considered the cooldown period

[calm flicker]

So it doesn't deal a meager 50 DMG.

[hardy panther]

hey atleast the wounds cd is per enemy

[craggy totem]

Like, the cooldown isn't "how soon can you apply wounds again" -- Wounds itself is the cooldown for "how soon can you boost base damage again"

[calm flicker]

Or allow Ares' Strike/Flourish greater & scaling.

[hardy panther]

immagine if it was a global cd

[calm flicker]

At least Wounds gets a whole lot better with Grevious Blow...!

[brave gate]

For some reason, wounds damage counts as Olympian damage in the case of Persephone skull lol

[hardy panther]

oh so it does

that's good then

[calm flicker]

That's just Hephastus blasts but with AoE, far greater DMG, etc.

[craggy totem]

I believe with Persephone skull, it's not phrased as "Olympian damage" at all

[hardy panther]

i also dislike how they made heph main boons useless without rarity

but idk how else i'd balance it so

[calm flicker]

Yes. What I mean is Wounds adding base power means Supergiant locked themselves to gentle scaling--both in Strike/Flourish's % & Wound's 50.

I'd wish Wounds were only considered Olympian DMG that either the % scales harder or Wounds, itself, deals more DMG.

[craggy totem]

Clearly it's a conspiracy to push the Heph-Hera double trouble synergy

[brave gate]

Pretty sure it says "Damage from Olympian effects"

[still mantle]

I mean you gould just have everything at like 10 seconds and have rarity increase damage

[craggy totem]

"Damaging effects from Olympians", I just checked

[calm flicker]

I might rather wish all boons scale hard on Rarity.

[craggy totem]

But also, since I'm here and checking, I guess the specific phrase "Olympian damage" isn't used in any of the suspect locations to begin with, so it was a red herring 😆

[hardy panther]

Have everything at a fixed cooldown sure
10 seconds?? erm

[still mantle]

What

Its not bad

Just pom

[calm flicker]

I don't think it's a good idea either.

[hardy panther]

Id rather have 1 damage every 1 second rather than 10 damage every 10 seconds

[brave gate]

You legit just said cooldown would stay at 10

[still mantle]

Actually, that brings up a question..

Is there any boon in the game that poms a different stat than it rarifies?

[brave gate]

no

[still mantle]

Oh ok

[hardy panther]

10 seconds is crazy, i could go pee break in between hits

[still mantle]

Nevermind then

[still mantle]

But tbf 10 seconds is around the base cooldown anyways

[hardy panther]

that's like why i said the boons are trash without rarity

because the rarity scales the cooldown

[calm flicker]

That would be a good way for Supergiant to tune certain boons to scale harder on Rarity, but most boons barely even have a 2nd stat to modify.

Hestia's Rush...?

[still mantle]

It doesn't have to be every boon

Hereditary bane?

Rarity could increase the time bonus levels increase the hitch damage?

[calm flicker]

Maybe Aphrodite's Rush could have a secondary effect that increases Weak duration.

[hardy panther]

or just make it last longer and bigger radius

[frail crypt]

words cannot explain how much I like the vow system compared to heat

the joy on my face when I saw boss rewards are infinite

[crude dragon]

It also helps that Fear is way less unfair than Heat

[frail crypt]

so true I dont need to have it on all the time

just when I need nightmare

[brave gate]

I know Mel staff is super good but I dont like how it feels. Maybe I'm doing something wrong

[frail crypt]

and even then I can just grind out bones for nightmare

[storm glen]

just do dash attack special

[frail crypt]

wdym how it feels it's just the base staff

[brave gate]

After experiencing other weapons and aspects for so long

[frail crypt]

are chaos trials that worth it? stardust doesnt seem thatttt useful

[brave gate]

Almost the only way to get animal treats. Trials are also needed for some prophecies/achievements

[frail crypt]

ohhh treats yeah

also what is your pfp from I remember that bird

cannot for the life of me remember what it's called

[brave gate]

Peep in the Big Wide World

[frail crypt]

YESSS THAT

🥹

[brave gate]

Always love reactions to people recognizing it lol

[frail crypt]

is aspect of nyx good

[still mantle]

Its decent

[frail crypt]

this unlock pmo

[still mantle]

I, personally prefer ||shiva||

[frail crypt]

is that the hidden?

[still mantle]

Yes

Do you have it?

[frail crypt]

nope!!

might go for it next

[still mantle]

You can get it from selene

[frail crypt]

blades need investment and I dont like skull in general

skull with hera mechanic would go crazy

[still mantle]

It does

Medea skull continues to be absolutely, stupidly broken

[frail crypt]

wait what???? aspect or hammer that does it

[still mantle]

Wdym?

oooh

[frail crypt]

that gives skull hera thingy

[still mantle]

Yoy meant aspect of hera from hades 1?

[frail crypt]

yeah where you can load your cast into a shot

skull would go insane with that

[still mantle]

I mean medea is basically beowulf

And beowulf is similar to hera

[frail crypt]

oh. that one.

[still mantle]

Yes

[frail crypt]

forgot which one was medea, I hate this thing

[still mantle]

Melee skull✨

[still mantle]

Medea is the one that cleared underworld in 3:54

[frail crypt]

idgaf about speed times im a gross casual

[still mantle]

Ok. But +90% damage is generally considered good.

[frail crypt]

i hate how it plays ourrgh

[still mantle]

Just attack then special

Reapeat till everything in the vicinity is dead

[frail crypt]

why shouldnt I use an actual melee weapon over medea

[still mantle]

You can

But medea is really good at its job

Whereas zorephet is a big heavy weapon

[frail crypt]

my goat than axe.....

[still mantle]

And descura likes using specials (ranged), and dash strikes (also pretty ranged)

We don't talk about the coat

[frail crypt]

oh yeah i should get anubis soon if the game doesnt hate me

[frail crypt]

what about it...

[still mantle]

Um it likes running dash strikes besides aspect of nyx and kinda debunks my point😭

Lim and oros love specials

Which are ranged

[crude dragon]

Because Medea brings the d a m a g e

[frail crypt]

oh also I had the worst run ever but with apollo lunar ray so it was actually ok

[still mantle]

Trick knives knives knives my beloved

[frail crypt]

chronos melted

[crude dragon]

Just remember, you only pull 1 pin per Special

No more

Plus it's just fun to play a kamikaze build every now and again

[frail crypt]

boom

still not touching skull ever until I'm DESPERATE for nightmare

but when the time comes ill try medea :p

[brave gate]

What items are the same tier as a DD refill? I want to know what can travel deal into a DD

[torn wind]

My dumb ass just choked my first 20 fear strength run by dodging on accident during chronos' one-shot

Was a really solid morrigan run

Was dumpstering chronos until I got greedy and overshot the safe zone

My first unintentional death in like 20 runs

Also I hadn't considered how good Tough Gain potentially is for strength because it's still a flat resistance I was taking almost no damage from anything

[hardy panther]

man i really hate rivals hecate

just slow and tedious for no reason

[torn wind]

The damn seeking orbs are annoying as hell

And yeah that too

[red fox]

You don't like invul on top of invul?

Hide and seek on top of that

[hardy panther]

mmm haha yes im gonna go invulnerable for half the fight also my attacks cover the whole map good luck getting in any hits if your weapon is slightly slow

[honest tulip]

And just sitting in a corner for 20 seconds as a tiny creature ?

That's ok with you right? I don't care about your time limit Melenoe

[hardy panther]

mmm yes do you want to do nothing for 30 seconds and probably lose to timer vow or tank 3 billion damage if you get unlucky with the pattern

😂 😂

[honest tulip]

Should have thought about that before you took the vow Melenoe

Return to shadow now Melenoe

[torn wind]

Going for my first 32 fear wish me luck lol

[honest tulip]

There's always more to learn Melenoe

[hardy panther]

dw just dont take hte wrong vows

[torn wind]

Let me think what all I took, no pain, grit, wards or hordes

max timer, max frenzy, the uh... next region enemies two, the perks one, servants, forfeit, hubris and rivals one

I think that's all of it might be missing one

I forgot I can just pull it up but I'm not in a time frozen spot so one minute

Frenzy 2, menace 2, fangs 2, debt 1, shadow 1, forfeit 1, time 3, hubris 2, denial 1, rivals 1

There you go

[nova oar]

FORFEIT

😭

[torn wind]

I'm cocky I guess

I should have gone something else lol

[nova oar]

Yes

[torn wind]

Well I'm 5:34 past scylla and no DD uses so I'd say I'm doing fine

Haven't gotten used to doing pausing and stuff while thinking

[craggy totem]

I've now gotten as far as Prometheus final phase on GCA, but I got the ole nerves, my mind went completely blank, and I somehow managed to screw up the five-wave memory game and the timing on the dash

Those things do a heckuvalotta damage with Pain and no Strength huh

[torn wind]

9:03 past cerberus no hits

Absolutely dumpstered chronos on my first 32 fear run let's go

[radiant ore]

hey yall is there mods that let you use boons in the traininf room with schelemeus

or try boons

i remember s mkod like that froom hades 1

[hardy panther]

random question, whats the damage record like? like, highest damage number on screen from 1 hit

[craggy totem]

People have theorycrafted how to get the maximum damage hit (tldr a super duper juiced up maximum buff Shiva omega attack) but idt there's like. An official record.

[nova oar]

Highest i've seen is just over 20k

[nova oar]

Basically

[wise wave]

How? That's insane

[broken creek]

Shiva + antler + grievous probably

[nova oar]

What plum said

Just shiva shenanigans

[broken creek]

Antler + grievous is 5x

And Shiva already pretty easy gets >1k

So add on more % stuff and things explode

[brave gate]

Grape juice 🤓

[calm flicker]

Does Grape Juice add power to the first instance of DMG or to a move (a la Sister Blades' Attack 2)?

[red fox]

Move

[brave gate]

If the attack is multi hit it adds it to each hit. Like Morrigan. But it doesn’t add it to each move in a combo

[torn wind]

Uhhh I mean guaranteed crit from wolf howl counts for all omega daggers on blades

[red fox]

Grape juice anubis or blade ospec is insane

[torn wind]

So it’s for the whole move

[brave gate]

How does it work with axe omega attack

[torn wind]

If you got grape juice wolf howl you could get pretty goofy

[red fox]

You are asking a axe hater here

[brave gate]

Well

[calm flicker]

Boy, does it take a long time to unlock the Keepsake cabinet Incantation.

[torn wind]

Which one?

[honest tulip]

Is it possible to meet athena twice?

[torn wind]

No

[honest tulip]

once before olympus and once at

[hearty idol]

nope

[torn wind]

It locks you out the keepsake if you find her already

[honest tulip]

rip

stupid athena just talked about the city and not

The spider shaped arachne

on the only incomplete narrative feeling like

[torn wind]

I haven’t even gotten to Arachne asking me to help her and I’m at 100 hours I honestly skipped her way too often

[brave gate]

Most of the Arachne related dialogue has to happen on Olympus

[torn wind]

Yeah it gets superseded by situational dialogue

[brave gate]

Not even that. It just literally can’t happen anywhere else

[torn wind]

Ah

Well it probably still happens if you call her with the amulet in Olympus before you exhaust that dialogue

[honest tulip]

I naturally ended up with Epic Steady growth I might just hold off on getting boones until I get some more rarifies because woah I could really use more nitro boost rarifies

[honest tulip]

BRU Hthat sucks

At least I won't have to break fates whim then

[brave gate]

Don’t do that lol

You’re giving up a ton of boons

[torn wind]

A new common boon is way stronger than an extra rarity on a single boon

[honest tulip]

I just got hasty retreat

Also want that to rarify

[torn wind]

I still need to get my funny winners circle build

No luck

[brave gate]

It’s not worth it though. You get 1 rarify every 4 encounters. That’s essentially half a region

[honest tulip]

I've already gotten 2 in thessaly alone and I'm just now meeting circie (doesn't that mean I'm halfway)

[brave gate]

You’re more than half way

[torn wind]

The best version of hasty retreat is the one where you just don’t get hit

[brave gate]

At minimum you’ve done 5 encounters

[honest tulip]

HECK I FORGOT TO GIFT CIRCIE

[torn wind]

Well time to try for getting the Arachne dress achievement

[honest tulip]

That's actually really easy with Hepheastus

[honest tulip]

Also I haven't even had the opportunity to avoid a boon

[torn wind]

I know that’s the plan

[honest tulip]

and I still have only 2 upgradeable lol (My Hepheastus attack is down to 3 seconds)

[brave gate]

How have you gone 8 encounters with no boon 😭

Shops???

[honest tulip]

Found 1

Finally A demeter that was all common

HECK yeag Nitro Boost rarified again

[brave gate]

I’m watching Boated’s latest video and it’s a 32f run, but he has grit 3 on 😭

I know he plays 62-67 but that’s still wild to see on 32f

[torn wind]

When you're so used to the damage thresholds I'm sure it's just second nature

[honest tulip]

Something Something XKCD grit 3

Ok What is up with my Figleaf

beacuse it has proced in the first room of thessaly, olympus, and summet now

I am an idiot and took 20 shockwave damage from the same shockwave 3 times 💀

I took double damage to the tail of Typhon than to typhon himself

[torn wind]

Time for 32 surface. Running Charon axe. Fingers cross for apollo or giga cutter

First boon is apollo let's go

Lucid gain hell yeah

[honest tulip]

Turning the dragon into a sheep is genuinely my favorite thing

[nova oar]

Could go really well or really badly, so long as you dash charge the ospecial

[torn wind]

As in? Dashing back away from the cast to channel?

Oh right yeah you can dash while charging

[slim pike]

There's a cancel window, but yeah

[torn wind]

It's over lol I got giga cleaver

[torn wind]

So would you mind explaining it really quickly exactly what it is? I'm managing to get off a second cast with giga cutter but want to make sure I'm doing what you say right

I'm casting, then starting charging ospecial and dashing right as it's about to fire, is that right?

Or is it the opposite way around

[slim pike]

It's just before it releases

[torn wind]

Okay yeah so just before it fires got it

[slim pike]

Because it doesn't hold like oAttack, it's a little trickier to use

[torn wind]

That's what I'd been doing before so wanted to be sure

[slim pike]

And you can dash one way and flick the stick/mouse to aim the ospecial

In a way that oAttack doesn't need

[torn wind]

Yeah I play keyboard anyways so pretty simple

Trying to do it on controller the only time I ever touched one forced me to claw grip to do it

My dad plays on switch and I was visiting. asked me to play while he went to the restroom

Doing top button and bottom button to dash ospecial on axe was painful

[slim pike]

Deck paddle buttons

[torn wind]

Yeah well switch doesn't have that same luxury without third party controllers

[honest tulip]

Just died to typhon's 3ed phase rip 😔 I mean it was 30 fear but literally nothing before was that hard

I just took too much damage in the second to last phase

[torn wind]

yeah rivals typhon third phase is a skill check on dodging the laser

[honest tulip]

he killed me with a headbut

[torn wind]

RIP

Damn it vow of denial is making me choose between super nova and prominence flare on charon axe

Prom flare is epic too ugh

I have to go for the damage. 32/0.13s is a lot

That's almost 500 damage yeah I gotta go with that damn

[slim pike]

Supernova, easy

[torn wind]

Well it was between AOE size or raw damage

[slim pike]

Prom flare is a lot of damage on something already dead

[torn wind]

Fair lol

Shame it made me choose

Time for rivals eris

[abstract aspen]

"Son, I don't have a favorite"
https://imgur.com/a/y1nF88k

[torn wind]

Almost a no-damage rivals eris nice

[abstract aspen]

I don't even think of doing rivals 1, what are you made out of

[torn wind]

Spite

Doing my first 32 surface with rivals 2 and both fights went really well

So saved me from having to use other vows

Maybe I should have done rivals 3 lol

I really need a status right now though, not having origination sucks right now

[nimble rivet]

Envy

[torn wind]

Game gave me ares attack and apollo special

[slim pike]

Rivals eris is one of the easier hitless bosses to do

[torn wind]

Yeah for sure

[slim pike]

because she's very "one false step and laserdeath"

[torn wind]

She's not hard to avoid, pretty telegraphed

[honest tulip]

Biggest fumble I forgot to rarefy seastar

[torn wind]

oof well that's a rough decision. Do I sacrifice sword ring for solar ring but give up cutting edge duo

It's making me choose between self healing, cutting edge, and a solar ring sacrifice

My heart says give in to the blades

[torn wind]

oh yeah I have a 50% sea star it's wonderful

357 health going into olympus already

make that 414 now

[honest tulip]

I got rarified strength

Am I just reduced damage? cause I swear it was already 20% damage

[torn wind]

lol my only apollo left was exceptional talent

Denial vow is funny

Well now this is bad lol. No poseidons left and the random boon is forcing me to sacrifice. Guess I take the attack since I'm already not using Ares attack

[abstract aspen]

how many encounter are there between cyclop and typhon ?

[torn wind]

Encounters can vary. locations should be 12 per region

But encounters doesn't count non-combat rooms

[abstract aspen]

so hammer after eris

onion after prometheus

but what do I take after cyclop

or onion after cyclop and fang after cyclop ??

[torn wind]

my order is usually JPom, Time Piece, Fig Leaf, hammer

[abstract aspen]

jokes on me I don't have crolex yet

[torn wind]

RIP

Best do an underworld run and give gramps some nectar

[abstract aspen]

nah I have to do "help us"

[torn wind]

No? I got it right after just gifting him the first time after credits roll

I had every keepsake well before the epilogue

[abstract aspen]

I'm already on a run gota finish it

okay I died

going to see gramps

[torn wind]

sub 1-minute prometheus hell yeah

[abstract aspen]

you monster

[torn wind]

I'll post it in #h2-victory-boasting let me clip it

[abstract aspen]

don't have nectar left and I don't have star dust left

[torn wind]

You don't buy nectar daily?

Can run some chaos trials to get some since it resets the shop

Counts as passing a night if you do chaos trials

[abstract aspen]

jokes on me, I had 20 of those the day before yesterday

can we take fear in chaos trial ?

like if I need to do cerberus with 16 fear, I loke those 16 and go there

[torn wind]

Nah

They have built in arcana and vow layouts

Can't modify it

[abstract aspen]

the arcana aren't mine ?

holly tartarus

[torn wind]

Yeah. You can bring in your own keepsake if one isn't assigned to the trial though

That's the only thing you can modify AFAIK

[abstract aspen]

I'm doing the trial in epherya with anubis, i was like "oh I have to get hestia for my attacks", there is only apollo and 1 hera

[abstract aspen]

there was lucky tooth, replaced by my jpom

[torn wind]

Zeus-hestia on anubis is apparently good

I say from some minor experience lol

[abstract aspen]

there is only apolo and hera

[torn wind]

It's a chaos trial anyways

There's only a few that I'd say are actually hard

[umbral glacier]

I wonder what was the reason behind not adding achievements for some of the harder challenges in the game, like unlocking the 3 statues, doing chaos above, completing all the prophecies, etc. it was the same with hades 1

[torn wind]

Yeah I'd questioned that since Great Chaos below is absolutely harder than 32 fear

But I guess they didn't want to skill-lock maxing achievements too hard

Since there is a barrier in any game where somebody passionate about the game might just genuinely not be able to get the final achievements due to skill barriers they get discouraged to overcome. But Great Chaos is absolutely a worthy final challenge

I only have 6 achievements left and 3 or 4 of them aren't hard, just tedious

[abstract aspen]

what is the shrines of hermes ?

and what are his concern ?

[torn wind]

Shrines of hermes are like charon wells but instead of trinkets he gives stuff like boons, paths, hearts, food, tonics

And they take a random number of encounters before he delivers them

Or you can pay extra to get them immediately

It's a way to get extra stuff slightly discounted from normal charon prices

And offsets the fact that you don't get many rewards in Thessaly or Typhon's storm

[abstract aspen]

oh but I already uses those turtle but the relationship is locked because he have concerns and I have to pass some times with those turtles

[torn wind]

Oh okay I thought you were genuinely asking what they were

Idk I never paid attention to that I just remember getting his trust and not really noticing

[abstract aspen]

ooh man they always don't like me

oh and what if I didn't me chronos after hecate, can I still me him after to give him nectar ?

[torn wind]

Nah he only appears there

You’ve gotten past credits right?

[abstract aspen]

yes now he's good

2 times he don't appear

[torn wind]

Ah weird. He appeared the very first time for me I think so I’d assumed it was guaranteed on your first run after credits

[abstract aspen]

oh

maybe I didn't have nectar back then

@slim pikedoggo appeared he's now mine

[torn wind]

WHAT you got all the way to credits without getting Hecuba?

I had them all like 4 or 5 wins in lol

[abstract aspen]

they didn't appeared

[tropic ravine]

Out of curiosity did you switch to strength yet

[abstract aspen]

yes ! I switched

game changer, I was too weak back then

[tropic ravine]

Great

For any people struggling with runs try some runs with strength has great defense boost (unequip dd, but if your new ignore this message and just use only dd)

[abstract aspen]

I'm so stupid

phase 2 chronos I dashed before the red slash

[abstract aspen]

CHRONOOOOOS

COME TAKE YOUR NECTAR

[umbral glacier]

120h into the game, maxxed out all the relationships, completed all the prophecies, but Icarus still doesn't have a bond with me judging by some reddit posts, it's a common problem: is there actually no proper requirement for unlocking the bond?

[abstract aspen]

don't know 88h in and I don't share a bond with hecate

[umbral glacier]

well, there's a proper reason for unlocking Hecate's bond, but with Icarus, based on what other people with >100h say, it's just unreasonably hard

[abstract aspen]

ijhgvcfdedxc vgjik,

WHERE IS CHRONOS

[nova oar]

In what context

[abstract aspen]

I have to meet him to give him nectar, I met him once but haven't had any nectar, but now I did 5 6 runs and he don't show

[night kettle]

strife is the most bs fight i've ever had

[nova oar]

Eris?

[night kettle]

yeah

ngl i dont like the weapons in hades 2

hades 1 had rail gun

and i always chose that weapon

but here the weapons and aspects aint working out for me

axe being hella slow

dagger feels weird, and i feel like it's being overshadowed by everything

[timid vigil]

Axe really is super slow, have you tried Thanatos axe? It gains attack speed when you level it up

[abstract aspen]

zagreus is strong

@tropic ravine you strong

[night kettle]

nah, i went abit with tierlists. and i found out they're bs

[abstract aspen]

charon axe good

[night kettle]

nah tried it, nothing special

[timid vigil]

Also if you like rail, the closest to it is mel skull

[timid vigil]

Charon axe is super strong

[night kettle]

skull? dont wanna bother collecting the skull after each hit

the only weapon that felt abit good was umbral flames

[night kettle]

didnt feel like it, it just buffs your cast

[timid vigil]

The special collects all the skulls from very far

It's like a reload button

Except it also deals damage

[night kettle]

which aspect u talking about?

[timid vigil]

Probably the best axe but it needs specific boons

[timid vigil]

All of them, it's a feature of the weapon

Well except the hidden one cause it works differently

But mel skull is the most straightforward

[night kettle]

well axe is slow, so nothing felt good.

[night kettle]

red one was hella trash

[timid vigil]

Medea you wanna do 1 attack > 1 special and then repeat and Persephone you can play like mel skull or you can focus on omega special

[timid vigil]

Medea is the strongest aspect in the game

You just can't charge all attacks at once (a lot of people make this mistake)

[night kettle]

i dont like staying close, specially when some enemies are spongy

[abstract aspen]

you didn't really tried then

[night kettle]

i did

[timid vigil]

Yeah fair then, at the end of the day it comes to a matter of preference

[night kettle]

like i said it's slow for me

i might try skull

[timid vigil]

Charon axe you need to forget you have an attack button, you just do cast and ospecial

[night kettle]

yeah not type of my weapon sadly

i prefer ranged and fast attacks

[abstract aspen]

I understand, but if I may, try and go all out on the special on this one, you'll see just cast and special and some boons that gives you magic and you'll fly

[timid vigil]

You might probably like the hidden skull aspect as well

[night kettle]

wym?

[abstract aspen]

when you'll clear a room with 2 omega-special you'll be happy

[timid vigil]

It's a ranged weapon that attacks really fast

Have you unlocked it?

[night kettle]

no like u said it's hidden, so how to unlock it

[abstract aspen]

lvl 5 on a skull other than melinoe's

[timid vigil]

You need to get all base skull aspects unlocked, then upgrade one of the aspects (except the melinoe) to lvl5

[abstract aspen]

then you have to talk to the witch in ephrya

[timid vigil]

Then talk to Medea

Just like in 1 all weapons have a hidden aspect

[night kettle]

ah

well i'll go with normal skull for now

also i feel like all boons are the same, even with different rarities

in first game, getting a legendary boon felt u actually got a legendary

now i feel like they're all the same

[timid vigil]

well, some legendaries really are kinda bad but it was like this in 1 as well

some good some bad it happens

[storm glen]

h1 legendaries are way worse lmao

[nova oar]

Most of the tierlists are fairly good, you just need to learn the game

[trim flume]

I mean some legendaries in Hades 1 were absolute garbage, but I don't think any Hades 2 legendaries are exactly bad. Sure some.are better than others (exceptional talent is probably my favorite legendary while fire away isn't really too strong) but they all are worth taking

[languid loom]

Chat, is frinos him?

[slim pike]

Shocking Loss in the zone 4 shop would disagree, but that's an edge case

[sudden eagle]

I saw several videos of Cronos 2nd phase where Cronos charges his instakill attack but the streamer doesn't get to the safe zone and still doesn't take the instakill damage, how is this possible ? No shield, no "resisted" mention.

[slim pike]

You can just iframe it with a dash just like anything else

or you just beat down chronos so hard that he changes phase

or if it's unrivalled chronos, you can hit him so hard he does his combo breaker

[radiant ore]

bruh skelly is so funny
"commander some say my bro could go toe to toe with my dad"

"work hard and one day yopu csan beat your papa up"

"but hes in chains"
"then it oughta be easy"
like bro thats willlddd

[abstract aspen]

Nah he right

Gotta beat him down for old time sake

[trim flume]

Take it for the funnies

[slim pike]

you deleted an entire cultist

if only Hades offered a boon that was twice as good and work instantly, that'd be great

[night kettle]

i dunno, maybe it was because i mostly used rail? i liked the boons there, specially the better quality ones

[amber halo]

Down
Down
King of Bones

[fresh wind]

What are the best/most fun common boons for Aromatic Phial to hit

I just got Heroic Nitro Boost for the first time lol

[slim pike]

Steady growth? Idk, it's been kinda rendered obsolete by Calling Card

[night kettle]

mostly ran into enemy projectiles. and the range for collecting skulls's kinda low

[timid vigil]

skill issue i fear

[crude dragon]

Say that again after getting Premium Service

Or All Together

[night kettle]

wym?

[crude dragon]

You said that all Legendaries feel the exact same, and I listed off a Legendary that's anything but the exact same

[slim pike]

They all feel different than h1

I mean zeus' legendary in the first game is literally just a boon you can get for 50 primed mana now

Second wave was... definitely a thing that existed. Divine Protection is basically just a slightly better Snow Queen. viscious cycle was funny with his call? Fully loaded could be basically got from Chaos, Blackout was remarkably fussy, Unhealthy fixation was kinda funny for interrupting bosses. Winter Harvest still exists

I dunno man, there was nothing quite as transformative as Exceptional Talent, Nervous Wreck or King Tide

[timid vigil]

Even the ass legendaries like fire away are at least conceptually cool

[craggy totem]

IDK if I'd call King Tide transformative on a flavor level, it's strong but it's just "do the thing but more"

[slim pike]

Transforms how you fight bosses

The Duos feel more impactful too

And a little more creative

mostly because Omegas and the binding circle add a lot more design space

[crude dragon]

Or, as mentioned, Premium Service

+1 weapon rank that can overcap is such a neat idea

[slim pike]

it's extremely neat as a concept. Sadly it's just generally not very good

or doing nothing a hammer upgrade or even a hermes boon doesn't do better

(Add Aspect of Selene's rank 6 onto its pile of L's)

[spice kestrel]

Yo playing first time since before 1.0 when was the omega special for torches changed? Idk how I feel about it

[slim pike]

A patch or two before release

When the fourth aspect was added iirc

[spice kestrel]

I miss having 50 balls orbiting me but is ok

[slim pike]

You get to have Supay now

you can be happy with this

[night kettle]

yeah the red thingy aint good

[night kettle]

and holy hell this was so trash i had to undo the night

[spice kestrel]

Tru but I started a new save and am getting rolled by eris every run

[slim pike]

You're using it wrong, almost guarenteed

load one attack and then special, do not load more than one, do not get wide grin

[night kettle]

m1 m2 and so on

[slim pike]

do not use special like it has invuln, you still need to dodge

[night kettle]

yeah one m1 and m2

and i find the torches better

[slim pike]

it's kinda disgusting how fast and destructive it is

[night kettle]

i dunno i didnt fell like this

i hated using it tbh

[queen cosmos]

I wished athena was an boon as well

She was my favourite boon

Especially the call

[broken glen]

Medea is really hard to use but boy can it deal damage

[queen cosmos]

Hard? Its pretty easy

Shiva is more wierd

[broken glen]

I played beowulf so much in h1 that using the inverse attack pattern is really weird

[queen cosmos]

I just think weapons in hades 2 do not feel that impactful to use, like for moros it feels like you're inflating balloons and not some infernal torches

[queen cosmos]

I just switch controls

Keybinds

[broken glen]

But it also turns you into a nuclear bomb

[queen cosmos]

Kind of, but it does not feel that good to use other than that rotating attack and just seeing the numbers

Sorry

[timid vigil]

You just don't know how to use the aspects thats normal

[night kettle]

m1 m2

that's it,

it was trash

[craggy totem]

It's not the principle that's difficult, it's the execution of the principle :P

Das the difference between me eating dirt on Medea and wossname getting a three-minute-something run on it

[mortal dragon]

Yeah there are some weapons that felt like pulling teeth initially but once you get them hoo boy.

[night kettle]

eh well i dont wanna bother that much tbh, i'm a casual player

not a sweat

[craggy totem]

That's 100% fair and I also did not bother with it beyond doing achievements etc, the reason people are responding is cos you made an objective statement about it being universally trash

[timid vigil]

no cause like

Medea 2 random curses is legit a thing

Cause the aspect is just that strong

Unless you have it not upgraded yet or without proper arcana maybe

[night kettle]

well i'm somewhat true, if u dont wanna bother to master and stuff, it's trash

[timid vigil]

But if that's the case it's early game so nothing really applies

It's a super easy aspect until you get to higher fears where you need to be more careful but it's still strong anyway

[spice kestrel]

Combat mobility op

[wise brook]

if you're bad it's trash. that's what you're saying lol

[timid vigil]

I think bro is just in the early game without full arcana and upgraded aspects

Pretty much everything will "feel like ass" cause yeah of course it will

[night kettle]

well it's my preference i guess, i really didnt like it

[night kettle]

indeed, to get good u need to spend alot of time

[craggy totem]

The term for that is "high skill floor"!

[night kettle]

and i enjoy progressing better(like in story)

[night kettle]

yup

and i dont wanna get there lol

[old veldt]

So then how it is objectively bad

Lmao

[jolly hound]

Remap controls so you don’t use the same finger to do attack and special. Then it becomes amazing

and that’s not a lot of effort to do at all

[craggy totem]

Nah, I'm on KBM and that's not the problem

I literally can't parse and react fast enough to do Medea well

[timid vigil]

I do it on controller with default keybinds

i don't like remapping keybinds in games

[old veldt]

I feel like for Hades you should cause attack special and dash are all with thumb

I moved dash to shoulder

[timid vigil]

I just got used to it that way

Doesn't affect me much

[old veldt]

Isn't it considerably harder to dash strike

[timid vigil]

Not really

"Hardest" thing for me was doing dash while still holding special on Charon axe

But after you get used to it it's also simple

[jolly hound]

I have cast on one back button and special on the other, my thumb doesn’t move

[plush bay]

whats yall least fav area

[spice kestrel]

Probably Asphodel

It's really cool to see it again but after the first time it's just a drag

[unkempt zodiac]

Oceanus, thessaly, summit have relatively dull gimmicks imo. I wouldn't call them bad but certainly weaker than the other 5

[craggy totem]

Thessaly.

1. multiple encounters in the same location means your magick doesn't recharge and your "per room" bonuses like Wayward Son or Silk Sash don't proc
2. narrow spaces + burning oil slicks is a terrible experience
3. all of the above plus various vows is a PITA
4. you might have the terrible luck to get Charybdis
5. having to fight encounters that don't even give you a reward is a drag

[unkempt zodiac]

Eris is the worst boss

Uhhhh or hecate

[craggy totem]

Eris is more annoying than Hecate imo, at base level Hecate only has the two invuln phases

[spice kestrel]

Maybe it's because I played a bunch of Hades before Hades II but Hecate is much less difficult than Maegara was

[unkempt zodiac]

Yeah I agree

[spice kestrel]

So beating her first time isn't as rewarding

[craggy totem]

The Hecate fight does suffer from it being the very first fight, so that you have a higher chance of meeting her with no build, but other than that it's less annoying re: not being able to hit her

[unkempt zodiac]

Especially given how much better ranged weaponry is in h2

[craggy totem]

Hecate also doesn't cleanse curses, I don't think

[spice kestrel]

Cerbie was the first real road block for me

[unkempt zodiac]

Yeah that's fair

I think for me I died to each guardian once then beat the game on run 5

[spice kestrel]

I began a new save the other day, I'm patiently waiting for Eris to piss off

[unkempt zodiac]

Simply get rivals 2

Free boss !!

I really wish rift and summit got gameplay reworks

[spice kestrel]

I meant her "blessings"

[unkempt zodiac]

Oh yeahhhh

[craggy totem]

You know the trick about your health threshold, right?

[unkempt zodiac]

Iirc if you finish a boss low enough she doesn't appear

I firmly stand by the idea that it would have been awesome if thessaly was you actually charting a course, like, a tree is generated at the start, and every time you turn the wheel, you go onto a different branch. So each decision impacts the future boons you can get

[spice kestrel]

Can we steal charons coins in Hades 2 or no

[craggy totem]

I mean, each decision does impact the future boons you can get

That's just how it works in every region

[unkempt zodiac]

Just a little

[native bramble]

this sounds distinctly like slay the spire i wont lie

[unkempt zodiac]

True

Didn't think about that

Ok supergiant please create slay the spire mini game in hades 2

[timid vigil]

Thessaly

second least fav is fields but fields is still WAAAAAY better

[craggy totem]

Fields can be frustrating but the gimmick is kinda interesting

Thessaly is frustrating and not that special

[plush bay]

true, i dread surface runs cuz of that shi\

[unkempt zodiac]

I'm amazed by how the fields gimmick manages to not be obnoxious so much

[plush bay]

fields are just boring to me

[unkempt zodiac]

Like it sounds like it'd suck in theory but in practice it's ok

[plush bay]

but help me get resourves

and stuff like that so i personally am cool with it

[native bramble]

how does apollo legendary work with dagger omega specials?

[unkempt zodiac]

Fields also get bonus points for being the first time I realized oh man this game is gonna be so much bigger than hades 1

Nothing in h1 is nearly as unique

[spice kestrel]

Lol I really like that you get to be on a boat again, the Barge in H1 was my favorite segment of the game. Thessaly music is fire too

[jolly hound]

No, there’s a postgame thing that is the spiritual successor to robbing Charon tho

[unkempt zodiac]

It's a good one

[spice kestrel]

Here's a other question.....

what's your favorite song in H2?

My vote is to Olympus Aflame, it blows my mind every time I listen to it. Classic 7/8 deliciousness. Also Chronos' rivals theme is insanity

[night kettle]

i play with keyboard

[night kettle]

not everyone can use it, so when u cant use it, it's trash man

[tacit temple]

currently doing my first run with aspect of medea, and I DEFINITELY understand why its widely regarded as one of the best

but I dont know if I like the playstyle of it that much

(i had no idea the prior discussion was about Medea lmao)

[tacit temple]

damn you're right

still melts

[crude dragon]

Don't forget the fact that you can just not see a single Boon for the entire region

[wise wave]

You can change it. Load Attack and use ospecial is not a bad idea.

[craggy totem]

Momdea mode? :P

[wise wave]

Sth like that, but we need wide grin for quick load, cannot load while charging

[rapid valley]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1334746789882105900/1466285656220242147/PXL_20260129_041510412.jpg?ex=697cd92e&is=697b87ae&hm=7cf6e8a4703538f746eb112730f284b08db9b8d8da5b42542abcb8e3d5e2633a&=&format=webp&width=968&height=990
I may have accidentally found out how much HP a night bloomed bomber has

embed why..

(it's 42700)

[crude dragon]

No, that's a pretty bad idea without channel speed

[craggy totem]

Would you do it if you had already gotten channel speed previously in the run by chance?

[cunning laurel]

no chance, its way too slow

[tropic ravine]

Thank you my good shade

[tacit temple]

not a bad idea

I got the daedalus that uses the omega attack when picking up skulls and both aphrodite attack and special early on so that really juiced things up

[crude dragon]

Ooh, Possessed Array is very fun if you can get the mana to sustain it

[tropic ravine]

Yep just born gain and you’ll be fine

Maybe flame gain if decent rarity

[crude dragon]

No, actually, you're looking for more like a high-pommed Lucid or Cardio

Born will prime you out

[median plinth]

born gain primes out too quickly

[tropic ravine]

That really depends on if you fast enough never had me got primed

[median plinth]

I think you have to be very careful with your skull collection if you goo born gain

[crude dragon]

I'm thinking more on bosses, and especially the final bosses

[tropic ravine]

Really? Exact opposite for me + even if I did the joss is 2 seconds away from dying

Trust me on this one

Just get 150 max magick

[crude dragon]

With Born (and especially if you've only got common Born), you're very likely to prime out to Typhon and Unrivaled Chronos

[cunning laurel]

without jpom maybe, but with born is best

[tropic ravine]

Nuh uh zagreus dissaproves

[crude dragon]

Like, it is genuinely one of the few exceptions to "Born Gain is the best regen in the game"

[crude dragon]

You'd want to only be priming 10 or so per refill for those long fights, and common Born with Jpom is 16 primed per

[tropic ravine]

I mean fair enough but I’m a speedrunner and hera has REALLY good boons

so it’s always a best bet because your always looking for her

[cunning laurel]

i have never primed out so hard to say actually

[abstract aspen]

you fool I'm the almighty bedal
not so almighty I know but i'm mighty enough

[tropic ravine]

Oh no

Just try out born gain though with like 120-150 magick

[crude dragon]

With Possessed Array?

[tropic ravine]

Yes

Just use the meta and you’ll be fine

[median plinth]

I think if you're still learning aspects, born gain is terrible for possessed array

very easy to prime out since you end up spewing explosions all over the place. It's much safer to get a gain that restores a lot of magic quickly and doesn't prime

[still mantle]

Solution: dont get common bord gain

[still mantle]

Like?

[median plinth]

apollo poseidon and high rarity hestia all work

poseidon may require a bit of planning since it's up and down

but all of them will give you a reasonable amount of additional p-array for the duration of the longer boss fight

[still mantle]

Poseidon only restores tye stuff you use for a limited time

Not the stuff you have used

[tacit temple]

had tier 3 tough gain at level 1 and made it work

was sitting at 0 mana a couple times but it worked out

[still mantle]

So its honestly kinda bad

[old veldt]

thats not what objective means lmao
but anyway, this convo has gone on too long, obviously you dont have the like the aspect, lets drop it

[median plinth]

yeah, with jpom you get like... 6 seconds of free explosions and then 8 second cooldown

[tropic ravine]

If you on controller try dragging the attack to the special button

That’s the best combo

[fair stone]

Does anyone know how does Nova Strike work on Medea Skull's attack?

[tropic ravine]

Like if you get what I mean

[tacit temple]

i think so?

[tropic ravine]

I think the explosions a bit larger

[crude dragon]

Bigger radius

[tacit temple]

I just kinda do it really quickly

[tropic ravine]

It’s more consistent by dragging

[still mantle]

Well possessed array NEVER FKN SHOWS UP ANYWAY SO IT DOESNT MATTER.

[tropic ravine]

If you want I can send you a video of what I mean

[tacit temple]

load, special, special and repeat

[night kettle]

not me man, i didnt like it at all, i couldnt even understand why they still call it good

[still mantle]

TS IS HARDER TO GET THAN MERCIFUL END

[night kettle]

i see

[crude dragon]

Hestia if you get to at least 13 MP restored per strike, Apollo if you get to 100+ MP per cast

[tropic ravine]

It’s more load special load special

[still mantle]

I suppose Apollo can work on anything if you get used to popping down casts regularly

[tropic ravine]

Because quickly going into special removes the animation so you can just go extremely fast

[crude dragon]

That is your subjective opinion. The objective fact is that Medea is extremely strong due to the high damage and mobility it offers

[median plinth]

I bind cast to left bumper and you can hit it as you are specialing, it drops it down at the end of your special

[still mantle]

+90% damage is objective

[tacit temple]

its kinda finicky to use but regardless it IS very good

throw aphrodite on attack and it can deal massive burst damage

[tropic ravine]

Try dragging your finger from your attack to special

That’s the main combo

Want me to send a video showing what I mean?

[crude dragon]

Or Ares on Attack to open up Heinous

[tacit temple]

yeah. only added the other special to collect skulls.

otherwise im just kinda waiting

[crude dragon]

Since the ideal Special is Blitz

[still mantle]

"I don't like it" is not objective

[night kettle]

risky gameplay, and i prefer ranged weapons tbh

[still mantle]

Ok

[tropic ravine]

You’ll collect both of them anyway by pressing triangle after attack

[still mantle]

So that's your opinion

[crude dragon]

Okay, that is, again, subjective

[still mantle]

SUBjective

[tropic ravine]

If not your doing it wrong

[abstract aspen]

what's born gain ?

[night kettle]

i couldnt do much, had to undo the night

[crude dragon]

Hera's MP regen

[still mantle]

Not OBjective

[night kettle]

yeah i was just stating my opinion, for some it's strong, for some it's trash

[tropic ravine]

Basically when you run out of magick you prime some of it and completely regenerate it, the prime goes away completely if you go to a new location

[night kettle]

m1 m2, that's the combo isnt it?

[abstract aspen]

don't like it, my brain is like "oh no magic means no magic" but THERE IS

[tropic ravine]

Pretty much, do you play on keyboard

[night kettle]

mouse and keyboard

[tropic ravine]

Ooo then the combos a bit harder but just do m1 and m2 yeah

[tacit temple]

coulda just used her keepsake but if the RNG is THAT bad then sure

[tropic ravine]

There’s a bit of timing into it because controller naturally has great timing

[crude dragon]

It's nice because it requires no change to your playstyle and usually lasts long enough, but it doesn't have the same ceiling of "I can genuinely go infinite on even the most MP-hungry builds" that Lucid and Cardio can give you

[night kettle]

that's what i did, and it didnt felt nice or powerful for me.

[tropic ravine]

I highly reccomend you check out the world record speedrun and look at chronos, it SHREDS

[night kettle]

i like the torch more, specially the crit aspect one

[cunning laurel]

lucid is not fast enough for 100% uptime on parray though

[crude dragon]

It's also the first weapon to have done the max Fear Surface run (and the first weapon to do max Fear Underworld before 1.0)

[crude dragon]

The weaker Moros torch?

[still mantle]

What rank do you have it on

[still mantle]

Mel😭

[crude dragon]

TBH, even out of the box, it's still pretty strong

[still mantle]

Yeah

[night kettle]

yeah the weapon needs high skil ceiling(like others mentioned). and if u cant/dont wanna master the weapon, it's basically trash for that person

[tropic ravine]

Moros can be good for going fast actually not just Medea fast

[still mantle]

But 30% and 90% are different modifiers

[still mantle]

Its not even high skill ceiling 😭

[night kettle]

the skull aspect? didnt upgrade it cuz it didnt feel good

[tropic ravine]

I mean I can sort of see what you mean? But hades 2 teaches you to become better with all weapons

[still mantle]

The amount of damage you can do with it

[tropic ravine]

Yeah that’s why, upgrade it and try a run or two

[crude dragon]

Medea is high floor more than high ceiling

Circe is high ceiling

[craggy totem]

Note that a skill ceiling and a skill floor are different things -- something can have a low skill floor but high skill ceiling, or any combination of those

Haha, beaten to the punch :P

[still mantle]

But like the post nerf strength arcana said its still strong out of the box

[craggy totem]

Floor = minimum skill you need to make it work well
Ceiling = maximum potential power as skill increases

[night kettle]

been using torch mostly, the charon aspect wasnt that bad either it's just that skull aint for me

[median plinth]

medea's floor involves using 4 skulls before specialing and then needing to special again wondering why it's so slow

[tropic ravine]

Yeah, but that’s one of the main reasons Medea is good

[crude dragon]

...

[tropic ravine]

Medea is more attack special attack special

[night kettle]

yeah cant argue with this part, it's just i'm more like hit and run

[median plinth]

I know, but we're talking floor!

[cunning laurel]

yea that's what's they mean

[tropic ravine]

O

[cunning laurel]

doing the combo wrong is the only way to struggle

[median plinth]

the floor is super low

[still mantle]

Try out moros torches

[tropic ravine]

Well it’s your opinion and your game you have fun but atleast max it out it’s fairly cheap

[median plinth]

it is very awkward aspect

[crude dragon]

Well, that and taking damage because you timed your specials wrong

[night kettle]

i'll try

[night kettle]

i did, didnt like that fact i have to use special cuz sometimes the ghosts go abit far. tho the damage was pretty good

[still mantle]

Just omega special then hold the attack button

[night kettle]

that's what i hate about it the most.

[crude dragon]

If you want to see what a "bad" skull looks like, max out Medea and then get the hidden skull unlocked

[still mantle]

Hel isn't horrible

[night kettle]

omega special boon?

[still mantle]

I prefer it to mel skull

[still mantle]

Zooz

[night kettle]

huh

[still mantle]

Anytime you have a secondary thing you want to be doing, make it zeus

Medea special, moros special, etc.

[night kettle]

i see

well next run

[still mantle]

Then for the attack you csnt go wrong with hera

[tropic ravine]

Same with Aphrodite too

[still mantle]

But on moros torches?

[tropic ravine]

Oh nvm I thought it was Medea

[still mantle]

Apollo is, as always, acceptable

No one else really does anything for moros

Rock and a hard place has no right to be this good

Darren corb must be stopped

[night kettle]

wait the one that inflict blitz?

[still mantle]

Yes

Zeus

[night kettle]

how's that good?

[still mantle]

Because it instastrikes if you do 120 damage

So you put it on your special

And your attack shreds things

[crude dragon]

Because the Special damage applies first, then it immediately activates when you do 120 damage from the Attack

[night kettle]

i thought it helps abit for moros attack, cuz u gotta do special to activate em

[still mantle]

Yes

Never say no to free damage

One pop should easily trigger blitz

[night kettle]

i see

[still mantle]

What's everybody's favorite song/track?

[crude dragon]

The Risen Fleet

Which is a shame, because I despise Across the Rift

And Thessaly

So I just have to pray that when I see it as the first track, that I don't get a miniboss to change it over

[still mantle]

Time belongs to us is just to good

[calm flicker]

Any weapons/tips to recommend to gather enough ingredients for the sunscreen Incantation? Or arethe ingredients' spawn rates so radically increased, it barely matters?

[tacit temple]

I also really like the torch

I recognize Medea is probably the best, but I just find torches to be more fun

the game is really well balanced though, so even the worst aspect is still not that bad

[crude dragon]

I assume you mean Unraveling a Fateful Bond? The moss is guaranteed to spawn in the first room until you do the incantation

And everything else is in the Underworld

[jolly hound]

Each of the familiars increases spawn rates of a certain kind of resource (toula for fish, raki for stone outcroppings, you can google the rest) take the familiar that will get what you need to spawn more. You may need upgrades on the familiars to make stuff appear more frequently

[brave gate]

“You can google the rest” 💀

[calm flicker]

No, I'm doing anew save file.

I already observed myself that 1 Moss spawns in room 1, and I wonder if the ingredients spawn rate has been increased before I unlocked the sunscreen Incantation.

[crude dragon]

Don't think any others do, no

[jolly hound]

I’m lazy

[proper seal]

theres a feature that I unlocked its this fountain where I can go back to a certain event in the game maybe for looking for missed things

probably wont be using that but its cool I unlocked it regardless

[calm flicker]

It's basically new game+. The main campaign & epilogue has been reset.

[proper seal]

oh sick

am probably gonna do that with a new save file

[jolly hound]

it was the way they changed the ending

[rough lintel]

concave stone doesn't deserve the hate

[crude dragon]

It's pretty bad, though

[calm flicker]

Ugh. I already leveled up Everlasting Ember because it took so long to unlock the Keepsake cabinet. Now I'm obliged to never equip it again.

[storm glen]

yes it does

[earnest lintel]

TIL what "Improbable Outcomes" wanted

[torn wind]

mmm yes I love getting attack and special on the same god because I was unlucky

Or just something else I didn’t ask for

[calm flicker]

Huh. I only need to get 2 Moss to get the sunscreen Incantation. Just pray to RNGesus I can do it in 1 run.

[still mantle]

Use moros torches

[tacit temple]

oh I do

Staff and Torches are probably my favorites

not even because of Circe/Moros, I just like their base kits. Those just improve off them very well and are really fun

as a big fan of casts Circe is GREAT

[calm flicker]

How does the surface kill Melinoe? By % of max or an expontially increasing rate?

[crude dragon]

Starts at 5 damage per tick, each tick increases the damage by 1

Additionally, Chthonic Fate will bypass Death Defiances and invulnerability

[storm glen]

did u just make up a name for it

[viral creek]

what aspects actually should use night (the arcana)

[viral creek]

no its directly stated

[crude dragon]

No, that's what it's called in the boon menu

[craggy totem]

Anything with at least one strong omega move can make use of Night, but if you have one strong omega and one fast omega, that's probably best?

Someone the other day was mentioning that you could work it into Thanatos quite nicely

[viral creek]

so any omega build basically

huh

i guess ill try it with eos

[craggy totem]

You could use it on any omega build, but like, the less you have to go out of your way to activate it, the handier it is, theoretically. Like I think Moros is one where you're naturally going to be doing both omega attack and omega special regularly, so that's a super natural fit

[viral creek]

how does night work actually

[craggy totem]

I don't know the numbers, but I do know that the window is more forgiving than I was expecting

It's not that you have to immediately do one after the other instantly or anything

[jolly hound]

Does it work w Charon axe

[timid vigil]

its really good with eos

eos and momus are the best usecases

[storm glen]

there is no window i think

[craggy totem]

Is it just infinitely "as long as you did another omega move sometime during the encounter"? Hah! Even more generous then.

[cold pumice]

hey guys happy thanatos thursday

melinoe monday
theseus tuesday
wegaera wednesday
thanatos thursday
frinos friday
scylla saturday
selene sunday

[craggy totem]

Not Saturn Saturday? :P

*although Cronus is different from Chronos, given our game of choice deciding to mash em together, I feel that we are justified

[tranquil wren]

Wegaera Wednesday is making me laugh for no good reason

[radiant ore]

Sightless Shepherd

[radiant ore]

that reminds me three years ago i drew hades characters as those banana suit wearing things like little bog planet
i should do it again for h2

[nova oar]

All the music is mid, the only track I like is from H1 that they put in the music shade

[honest tulip]

FINALLY athena adressed the spider in the room

[craggy totem]

Hmm... I rolled Gale Medea jpom on this GCA, but it's also max Pain max Hordes

[honest tulip]

Guys I made it to charon with 5339 Gold

Thanks to Posiden doubling 300 coins that were worth 750 due to hermies

like twice

I also have 0 mana

Luckly I'm Circie with Howling Soul so

I just fireball and skedaddle and it's working

[red fox]

Max pain max horde 20f chaos is crazy

Circe will remove one of them trust

[craggy totem]

The thing is, it's Medea, and I finally got my goddamned Strength in a roll for once, so I'm also outputting hella damage

I assume this run is dead the moment that a fight goes on long enough for me to goof, but so far it's ironically less rottingly awful than every other setup I've rolled so far

[honest tulip]

I think I lost my first 20f chaos beacuse I had max scars 😭

[craggy totem]

Antler Thessaly with no armor or DDs RIP

GGs

[red fox]

Antler max pain max horde

[craggy totem]

Yep

[red fox]

Well if no menace

[craggy totem]

That's true. I've got one Wards, which sucks a bit, but no Menace.

[red fox]

No olympus enemy might be a chance

Imagine forgot how to deal with normal eris and get gun down

[craggy totem]

Build and vows

Oh I'm for SURE dying at Eris even if I manage to survive the region

I can't play clean to save my life (and in this case, I would need to play clean to save my life)

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