h2-discussion

[craggy totem]

Absolutely it does not apply

Shiva dash strike is different from other coats

[slim pike]

It's one hit for 55 power instead of 3 hits

[timid vigil]

too slow

[tribal wharf]

Ah

[broken creek]

A lot of Shiva play comes down to special canceling a dash strike

[craggy totem]

Normal coat dash strike is Verie Good

[timid vigil]

also it doesn't get exhaust riser it gets something else

[slim pike]

its dash strike hammer is arguably the most ass hammer in the game

The chad Exhaust Riser: Double the number of hits, double the everything!
The Chud Mooncrest Riser: +20% radius, +40% additive damage

it's like a terrible nova strike that only applies to dash strike

you could just take nova strike

in fact, take nova strike on the coat, it's size increase is stupid big for some reason

nova is +40% size on smaller weapons, +20% on bigger weapons (Axe, Skull), and nova strike is +75% on the coat for some reason

[jolly hound]

oh now it makes sense why shiva has never clicked for me

[craggy totem]

Yeah

In all my Shiva attempts I couldn't break my dash strike habit, the Shiva-understanders had a good laugh at it

[buoyant matrix]

the trick is to cancel it with a special

which is hard to do consistently 😩

[slim pike]

let go of the sprint button

[old veldt]

what counts as up close for aphro attack

[final saddle]

I think it’s whatever range her mana regen boon would activate

[old veldt]

oh true

i shouldve figured that out

[craggy totem]

TBF sometimes things aren't 1:1 across different boons

For instance, Snuffed Candle has a totally different definition of what counts as close

(though of course that's a completely different god!)

[mortal moth]

does snuffed candle count towards bosses? im thinking cuz they're technically alone

[final saddle]

Also iirc you can just get Poseidon and Aphro and then everything is close

[craggy totem]

Bosses count as enemies, but the thing is, bosses also frequently have summons or companions

Hecate's own clones count against it, for example

[timid vigil]

Kinda, there's so much stupid stuff that breaks it

[mortal moth]

Mmm

[timid vigil]

It's pretty much only useful on eris and cerb

And non rivals Typhon I guess

[craggy totem]

The thing that made me very indignant was that (I was told) even if you defeat one half of the Rivals Prometheus fight, the defeated guy still counts against it (he isn't technically dead 🙃 )

[mortal moth]

I still take it every time though haha

[timid vigil]

For example, Medea breaks it on rivals poly

I guess it's good on P2 Chronos before he summons the little watch things that heal him

[craggy totem]

"How come she can attack you but you can't attack her?" I hear you ask in outrage. The answer? Melinoe's raging crush on Medea.

[timid vigil]

well aetos still would break it anyway

[crude dragon]

You treat it like a discount Moros torch, so yes, you want to keep up your OSpecial as much as possible

It's just not imperative like it is for Moros

[craggy totem]

It's extra damage and potentially curse application innit

[crude dragon]

Among other things, yes

[hollow crest]

Talk to Odysseus until you get the Prophecy "Unfinished Business", which will ask you to talk to 3 of Odysseus acquaintances, , while having the Knuckle Bones equipped. Once Odysseus get a chance to reunite with them, the prophecy will be fulfilled

it's been 50+ runs since i've talked to Od, still the prohecyu doesn't appear. i am so tired

[crude dragon]

How many Nectar have you given him?

[grave cairn]

sliding on in here and wondering if there are any cosplayers around or anyone else planning any outfits I'm planning on making Hypnos for MCM London in May but a slightly modified version so I'll be designing pyjamas to go underneath the big comfy blanket but can otherwise spend the convention time not worrying if I'm blinking in photos and can take character appropriate naps whenever lol

[limpid oar]

I barely use it, if I wanted to play like Moros I'd click Moros, with Mel torch I want to actually use the full range of my attack

[hollow crest]

i'm not a dumbass, as much as you can, he has to "settle up with a few acquaintances". you can't progress the quest until you talk to Od and get the prophecy

hundreds of people online have the same problem, so i'm not unique in this bs

[cunning laurel]

and he won't talk to you in the tavern

[hollow crest]

anywhere

tried talking to him every single run, for the past 50+ runs

https://imgur.com/a/7nnnqTW

here's my progress. i got every single achievement besides ONE. Od story

[craggy totem]

Yeah, but it's not like ospecial on Mel flames prevents you from using the full range of your attack

It's just a little addon.... a lil bonus....

A tutu made of angry burn orbs

[cunning laurel]

if youve done nobody prophecy idk what the issue is. just unlucky maybe

you definitely get the prophecy from him drunk in the tavern

[limpid oar]

Yeah but why'd i spend time and magick channeling it when i can do more attacks instead

[hollow crest]

i'm honestly so tired of trying im genuinely thinking of just cheating the achievement. i've played for 430 hours, i am so done

[cunning laurel]

what if you just dont get the achievement. who cares

[buoyant matrix]

???

[cunning laurel]

well if youre done with the game wtv you didnt do everything

[buoyant matrix]

this has GOT to be ragebait

[cunning laurel]

they want to quit and im saying why not

whats the point in cheating an achievement if youll stop playing either way

[jolly hound]

your Chrolex isn’t maxed out? Use it more you’ll be happy

[jolly hound]

Have you beaten cyclops with knuckle bones equipped

Once you do that finish the run or lose don’t undo night

[abstract aspen]

https://imgur.com/a/4xtCdai
https://imgur.com/a/gg0OPsG
I just did my first 20fear run (don't look at the PV I even had a 40shield before the final battle)

[jolly hound]

Hell yeah. If your team wins 80-0 or 76-75, doesn’t matter, you won. Aphro cast on Circe too

[abstract aspen]

I screamed

"Nooooooo you won't have me that's mine pv"

[hollow crest]

i'm gonna repeat it again. yes, i've done every prerequisite for a quest which won't appear for 50 nights

[proper seal]

Farming nightmare and to get more fishes with Touila

Which would also mean I would need to fight || Typhon on his rival vow || constantly

[tranquil wren]

wdym

cheating for just the achievement doesn't make sense, imo it's just gonna make you feel bad

they've also spent like 400+ hours on achievement hunting, it's just not worth it atp

all that just to cheat in the final one. kinda crazy

[limpid oar]

idk maybe you're just unlucky

[hollow crest]

it has to be a bug or smth, how is dialogue not scripted to appear.. that's just bs

if i do a few more runs and nothing changes... i'm done

[tranquil wren]

btw you never said if you brought the knucklebones to polyphemus first

[hollow crest]

i said that i'm not a dumbass. obviously i've done it, ages ago

it's genuinely an insult lol. if it was something that basic i wouldn't have been here asking in the first place. but yeah no point in asking either bcs it's just unscripted and i'm unlucky to not get it in bazillion nights

[tranquil wren]

people miss basic things all the time

[hollow crest]

yeah ikr

[tranquil wren]

you only think you're being insulted

[hollow crest]

obv you're not insulting me nor trying. im just saying

i am thorough, i've played for 430 hours for a reason

[buoyant matrix]

you can't believe the amount of people we have here who miss the simplest stuff

[hollow crest]

dude for sure. i'm chronically online for the past 15 years, i know it better than anyone, unfortunately

[abstract aspen]

@nova oar i did it ! I just redone the first credit !
so now what do I have to do to have the real end that i didn't have in my first credit ?

[crude dragon]

I have seen multiple people here who managed to unlock the surface before inviting Moros to the camp, and therefore soft-locked themselves until they did so

My expectations aren't high

[golden egret]

How does Aphrodite’s Attack and Specials boons even work? Does the damage scale with how far the enemy is from you?

[timid vigil]

nope

is close = full dmg boost
is far = 0% dmg boost

[buoyant matrix]

have you used any savefile editors to cheat in resources? those are infamous for breaking stuff

[tribal wharf]

How many times have you done surface runs and talked to Circe? Have you exhausted dialogue with her?

[hollow crest]

like 200 hours ago? of course

[hollow crest]

i specifically played for 400+hrs to get that dumb Kudos

[tribal wharf]

Hmm, interesting
Ever tried Vow of Rivals?

Considering you mentioned kudos I’m guessing you have bought everything

[buoyant matrix]

what would rivals have to do with odysseus lol

[buoyant matrix]

have you taken the knuckle bones to circe and scylla too?

[tribal wharf]

I wouldn’t strictly know but I’m just curious at this point if there’s some random illogical trigger

Looking it up I see like a few posts of people complaining about this (but not after…400 hours?) but not many solutions
Icarus seems to be a more common issue
Doesn’t seem like anyone knows what makes the quests tick behind the scenes

[still mantle]

It still fails me why moros torches looks like im blowing balloons 😭

[tribal wharf]

I assume you’re shooting out shades of some sort

[still mantle]

They even act like balloons😭

And then you pop them to break everyone's ears

Thats what the blast is

[unborn snow]

Speaking of unfinished business
.. Please, how do I get a chant from chaos? I don't understand the condition. Do I have to have at least one aether infusion from the duo boon and then go to the chaos gate?

[brave gate]

They’re embers

[brave gate]

Yup. You just have to get luck.

Also, after you get an duo boon, you can switch the Chaos’ keepsake to increase your odds of getting it

Getting a boon from his keepsake counts towards the prophecy

[unborn snow]

thanks :) I'll still need luck for the last legendary boon from Hermes :D

[still mantle]

On moros torches?

[brave gate]

Yes

They’re still torches

[still mantle]

...OF THE DEAD!

[brave gate]

Chaos Trials are also a good way to get legendary boons you need for prophecies since you start with so many boons already

[unborn snow]

great, I didn't think of that :) I don't do them very often... yet.

[brave gate]

I only did them when I needed start dust + when I needed to do the all random ones for the achievement

[unborn snow]

that random trial thing is unpleasant

[brave gate]

Yeah sometimes you get unlucky lol

Oh, also, you should go surface when you’re trying to get Hermes legendary since you can get extra Hermes boons from his shrines

[unborn snow]

Yeah, and I don't need Stardust anymore.

[brave gate]

I wish there were chaos trials to practice the different bosses. Like it just starts you right before the boss with a random loadout

It would be nice if I could practice Rivals Chronos without having to do an entire run lol

[buoyant matrix]

so a savestate?

[abstract aspen]

I now have shiva but it's bad

[brave gate]

No? The Chaos Trial would just put you at the boss fight with a random loadout

[brave gate]

I hate it so much

[buoyant matrix]

ah random loadout

[brave gate]

I only say random because I can’t imagine them implementing a way to select your boons and stuff for the trial

[unborn snow]

I thought it would take me longer to learn the moves of the unrivaled bosses, but in the end it wasn't that difficult.

[brave gate]

Yeah. Only one I still struggle on is Rivals Chronos.

Rivals Typhon isn’t even an issue. It’s basically just regular Typhon with Chronos sitting in the corner doing nothing 😭

[still mantle]

How so?

Get it to at least rank 2

[abstract aspen]

you do the special and then nothing happen ? what does it do

[cunning laurel]

what dash

are you thinking of supay

[still mantle]

You absorb special blasts

Then nuke things

Did you accidentally put nyx on?

[abstract aspen]

sorry

[abstract aspen]

it doesn't nuke anything

[cunning laurel]

yea it charges your oattack

[still mantle]

1200+ at max stacks😭

[brave gate]

I think the Coat omega attack should be completely reworked

[still mantle]

With no boons

[abstract aspen]

I do special, then I spamm attacks and nothing

[cunning laurel]

oattack bro

[still mantle]

Your supposed to omega attack

[abstract aspen]

[cunning laurel]

read the tooltip 😭

[unborn snow]

Unrivaled Zagreus could be interesting :))

[abstract aspen]

I read it but didn't understand, too much word

[still mantle]

Read. The. Tool tip.

[brave gate]

You have to use the OMEGA special

When you’re standing in the omega special circle, each bounce of the ball raises your destructive rank by 1

When you then use your omega attack, it consumes all the destructive ranks

[still mantle]

[abstract aspen]

not weapon for me

me spamm

this do not spamm

[still mantle]

😭

[brave gate]

Yeah. Maybe give him another DD and a few new moves

[brave gate]

Yeah I don’t like it either

[still mantle]

Give him splash dash

A whole boon kit

[unborn snow]

or cooperative battle with Thanatos

[still mantle]

A bunch of boons from the boy (dionysyus)

[brave gate]

I just wish Zagreus gave a better reward

[still mantle]

Halfway through the fight you get bouldy'd

[brave gate]

Tiny Oceanus rooms with Menace 2 be like:

[hollow crest]

no point. you need a prophecy for that to do anything

[buoyant matrix]

worth giving it a try, they have special dialogue for it too 🤷‍♂️

[brave gate]

Are you trying to get the Odysseus achievement?

[unborn snow]

The reward is just that you can chat with your brother. 🙃

[abstract aspen]

@still mantleso i just redone the credit and I didn't get 3fates first credit-time, what do I have to do now to have crolex and the other keepsake and 3 fates ?

[brave gate]

Well the shop ticket should at least give you extra items at mid shops too 🙄

[hollow crest]

doesn't change the state of the achievement. i'll just cheat it. im done. it's not appearing for 50+runs it had to

[still mantle]

Do all the random shyt that's on the list under "melinoe, seek us"

Wait im confused

[abstract aspen]

I had seek us before but now it's help us

[still mantle]

What are you asking about

[brave gate]

I know it doesn’t make sense lore wise but it’d so cool if the Staff had a hidden-hidden aspect for Gygaros. And if the axe had a hidden-hidden aspect for Chronos’ scythe (forgot its name)

[buoyant matrix]

ok wait, do you have the prophecy in the list but can't accomplish it? or does it just not give the prophecy at all

[hollow crest]

no prophecy

[buoyant matrix]

yeah take the knuckle bones to scylla and circe imo

[hollow crest]

i've seen people datamine the prerequisites, i have everything

[brave gate]

Which one specifically

[abstract aspen]

okay so I did the story a first time, then I went to salute hades and he told me "reminescence" so I said yes after waking up hypnos and now I have to reawake him I guess and find 3 fates and 2 keepsake that I didn't get before

[still mantle]

Ok

Idk

[brave gate]

@abstract aspen What’s your problem? I’m lost 😭

[buoyant matrix]

did you not read what reminiscence does and just accepted it

[abstract aspen]

yes I don't read contract

[buoyant matrix]

why though, you have to play through the whole story again now

[abstract aspen]

how do I get 3 fates and how do I get keepsake

[buoyant matrix]

you have to reach the credits, since you reset your story progress you have to do it all over again

[abstract aspen]

I didn't get the hole story apparently so I guess it's just a week in the trashbin

[brave gate]

Which keepsake? Can you just screenshot your prophecy screens and keepsake screen so we can see?

[abstract aspen]

I just did the credit a second time, took me a week

[abstract aspen]

https://imgur.com/a/xB6DiVF

[still mantle]

Petition for 1 postgame hammer for each weapon tha is in some way a nod to the chronos fight

[brave gate]

Okay you’re missing Zagreus’ and Chronos’ keepsakes.

For Zagreus, you have to fight him and beat him twice. You are given the keepsakes the second time. You can fight him when an infernal contract occasionally spawns at a mid shop. There will be a symbol abkvethe door letting you know it’s there.

For Chronos, you need to gift him nectar when you see him in the area between Erebus and Oceanus. You can only give him nectar the second time you see him, however.

@abstract aspen For the prophecy, you need to complete one more underworld run and one more surface run. Then, you’ll get a new prophecy.

[abstract aspen]

oooooh

[brave gate]

Glad we could clear it up. I was so confused 😭

[abstract aspen]

and when it's "seek us" ?

[abstract aspen]

me too I'm wonfused by what I have done

[brave gate]

There will be a handful of bullet points saying “Get to know X-character better” which just means max their relationship

[abstract aspen]

you said maxing what ?

holly tartarus not that

[brave gate]

Don’t worry lol

Right now for “Remember Us,” you just need to complete one more surface and underworld run

Then it changes to “Seek Us”

And there’s only about 5 characters you need to max

[abstract aspen]

can you tell me if I have completed relashionship with some of the 5 ? from what you see in my keepsake

[brave gate]

• Moros
• Chaos
• Chronos (who only needs like 4 gifts)
• Hecate
• Heracles

Also Prometheus but that just entails fighting and beating him some more

[abstract aspen]

heracles

[brave gate]

He doesn’t take too many gifts if I recall correctly. Let me check

[abstract aspen]

chronos and hecate I know I can do it fast but this one

[brave gate]

@abstract aspen Just checked and it’s only 6 nectar and 1 ambrosia

[abstract aspen]

so 7 more runs

wait, what if I do it with chaos crystal

[brave gate]

You could always just let the enemies kill you after you see Heracles to speed it up lol

[brave gate]

The what?

[abstract aspen]

the one that give you galaxy powder

[brave gate]

Oh that’s not required for the prophecy or the keepsakes

There are a couple of achievements related to it though

[abstract aspen]

I mean farming relation with this

[brave gate]

Oh that works too

[abstract aspen]

like it will be faster

[brave gate]

Yeah you could just do a chaos trial that’s for Ephyra

@abstract aspen But you need to progress dialogue with Prometheus anyway

[abstract aspen]

I can't progress it in chaos trial too ?

[brave gate]

I’m not sure about that since characters have dialogue specific to being in a Chaos Trial, so that may take priority

[abstract aspen]

[brave gate]

Don’t worry it won’t take you too long

And you’ll get to play around with the new keepsakes while doing it

Just focus on getting the keepsakes first

[abstract aspen]

i'll do that

[tribal wharf]

General question, do various boons/hammers/other upgrades that say they affect attack/special/cast do the same for omega versions? Same with attack buffs applying to dash-attack
Is it more commonly yes than no? Is it a wording thing? Is there a convenient list to check on exceptions?

[cunning laurel]

the wording is "attacks" if it includes omegas, "attack" if not

[raw patrol]

ive finally 100% the steam achievements rrrrrraaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh

[cunning laurel]

if only attack it will not apply to dash attck

[slim pike]

Well yesno

Sometimes it does

[cunning laurel]

i cant think of any only attack hammer besides axe

but of course it wouldnt be consistent...

[slim pike]

Extending whallop

Melting cross (but that doesn't apply to dash strike)

Various Attack only boons do apply to dash strike like extra dose

[cunning laurel]

oh right

how silly

[slim pike]

Yeaah. And 2 weapons don't even have a dash strike

[craggy totem]

Flames and skull?

[slim pike]

Yes

[cunning laurel]

and shiva

[slim pike]

Which is why you don't see any dashstrike specific boons

[slim pike]

Lol. That's you not wanting a dash strike

[cunning laurel]

if only

[brave gate]

Fake fan

[jolly hound]

oh damn you got to 45 nice work

[brave gate]

Ty

[nova oar]

Huh? If you've just done the ending for the first time then that's the real ending, you can do the epilogue now

[still mantle]

Here's my 67 fear setup might be kinda controversial https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator?vows=WzUsMywyLDYsMywzLDIsNSw0LDIsMiwzLDYsNSwyLDIsMTJd

[nova oar]

This is 40f

[tribal wharf]

Link is messed up by the :shadesmile: at the end

[still mantle]

Oh

[still mantle]

It should be fine now

[still mantle]

Is it good now?

[tribal wharf]

Yeah

[still mantle]

My bit got stalled😭

[nova oar]

Very hot take I must say

[honest tulip]

I had a 2 second smithy rush

[final saddle]

Holy cow Aspect of Nyx is ridiculous

Either that or the fully upgraded fate's whim keepsakes are just the most op thing in this game I legit can't tell

[nova oar]

Pom and chrolex are busted, card is hella mid

[final saddle]

2 cd Heph blasts say otherwise

Also "ANOTHER"

[nova oar]

Ok it's mid unless you take it second region for heph

But heph is the only god that needs rarity

[grave kernel]

At first I was hesitant to try the Fates Whim keepsakes since I liked rerolls, but once I did, they were much more fun than I thought they would

[final saddle]

I've usually been going Pom Watch card whatever

[nova oar]

At least you're taking them in the right order

[final saddle]

If I don't take Watch 2nd I probably won't get enough uses out of it by Tartarus

[red fox]

Card third region is like i gonna make that double strike/pyro technique red then they never show up

[cunning laurel]

then you get red nitro boost and it's all worth it

[honest tulip]

Bruh I swear I'm getting every bonus in this round

I just finished fighting ||Zag|| and now I've triggered a ||Chronos Trap||

[brave gate]

I take card second region if I come out out region 1 with a lot of money and 2-3 uses of Artificer left

[short raft]

Uh, what did just happen here?
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/616845281140408355/1465865702840991765/image.png?ex=697aa952&is=697957d2&hm=edf9c4005c139fd223f1c448f10b0d97306b7d58d9e80994493bab3043e3243e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1432&height=804

[crude dragon]

You hit the halfway point while he was winding up a throw, I guess

[cunning laurel]

when do you end erebus with 3 artificers left

actually ig surface exists too

[brave gate]

Sometimes I leave Erebus with 1 or even 2

Usually 0-1 tho

[nova oar]

Yeah if you phase typhon when he's in the middle of smth that'll happen

[nova oar]

Yeah always use all your charges in erebus if you can

[brave gate]

I do

[cunning laurel]

id take a nectar with a blast

maybe wouldnt use with paupers either

[vital hollow]

Does damage to your shields count towards the final total damage taken at the end?

[craggy totem]

Damage to your armor counts toward the damage taken.

Damage resisted by barriers such as Lovers etc. I don't think gets counted

[vital hollow]

Okay, so then there's no reason for me to take Heph if I'm going for a damageless run

[nova oar]

Nope

[craggy totem]

Not for defensive purposes, anyway

[nova oar]

Could be good for a heph armour damage run

[calm flicker]

I observe there are fewer "some penalty; very strong buff" Daedalus upgrades in Hades 2.

[nova oar]

Yep

Hammers and duos have less of an impact most of the time

[craggy totem]

Hence the "receive a temporary random hammer" keepsake being okay to take in most cases

[calm flicker]

The only Daedalus upgrades I remember having a substantial downside is Wide Grin & the Argent Skull one that explodes the player upon shell collection.

[broken creek]

Wdym p.array has a downside

What's the downside

[cunning laurel]

oh nvm

hey theres hell splitter too

[broken creek]

My ass is never using the normal attack sequence on axe

[cunning laurel]

are those the only 2 actively harmful ones

[craggy totem]

Possessed Array does have a downside, it's just one that can be worked around

[red fox]

What downside

[broken creek]

What's the downside 😭 things dying too fast??

[craggy totem]

Shoo, you goofy goobers

[red fox]

As if you are using omega on skull begin with

Easy huntress trigger at worst

[craggy totem]

You're gonna make mom cry

[cunning laurel]

without p array you should

[vital hollow]

Another question, going through a chaos gate will count towards the damage total as well right?

[craggy totem]

Unless you get Spark of Ixion

Buuuut if you don't have chrolex charges for it, probably best not to risk it for a run like this anyway

[torn wind]

Dare I go for my first 32 fear and first rivals chronos in the same run? I beat my first 24 fear surface and rivals typhon in the same run on my first try but I was sweating so hard lol

I'm guessing rivals chronos gets his third phase back from the story fight

[nova oar]

I wouldn't recommend it, he's alot harder than rivals typhon

[nova oar]

That, and more

[torn wind]

Damn that so? jeez yeah nvm

I'll just run rivals and timer lol

[nova oar]

Best to do that and learn it first yeah, also no frenzy?

[cunning laurel]

frenzy 2 🙏

[torn wind]

I could do frenzy instead of grit I guess. I like hordes

[honest tulip]

I have volcanic Strike down to 2 seconds on Persephone omg this thing anihilated eris 2 😭

[cunning laurel]

you have grit and hordes on for 32 fear?

[honest tulip]

Also the omega is so good for dodging I no hit

[torn wind]

I may be a little dumb

[cunning laurel]

those are some hard ones yea

[nova oar]

[torn wind]

Haven't done over the 24 yet

I like hordes

It's fun

[nova oar]

Yeah but not if you want an easy 32

[torn wind]

But yeah I'd likely ditch it for the 32

I'm aware. Did it for my first 24 surface though lol

Though most of that was with maxed rivals

[nova oar]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwwLDAsNSwyLDEsMCwwLDYsMCwyLDIsOF0=

[craggy totem]

Surface rivals are generally considered easier than UW rivals ftr

[nova oar]

Ong

[torn wind]

I had zero DD uses on my first level 3 underworld rivals but that was only 12 fear

And I spammed morrigan I think it was lol

But yeah I'm sure rivals chronos is tough as hell

I'll just run rivals and timer for that lol

[nova oar]

Put frenzy 2 on 😈

[torn wind]

But my safety bubble cast 😭 but yeah it's worth it

I'm still working on bearing dark gifts prophecy so guess I'm running Eos

[nova oar]

Better to learn it now than later

Trust me when I say it's easier to learn rivals chronos with it than to learn it all over again after getting used to non frenzy

[torn wind]

Valid

[honest tulip]

Guys I have the skull pick up explosion and everything is dying everywhere

[torn wind]

21 fear and it's literally just rivals, frenzy and time lol

[nova oar]

Welcome to the strongest build

[torn wind]

That one's hilarious with flood gain

[nova oar]

Is that not 24?

[torn wind]

Not max timer I'm not that fast yet

[nova oar]

Frenzy 2 makes the run faster

[honest tulip]

I have Hera

[nova oar]

Perfect setup

[honest tulip]

for gain. So far it hasn't stalled out yet 💀

I'm priming nothing

[nova oar]

Kol born gain is the best gain for p.array

[torn wind]

Yeah you basically have to have flood gain or born gain for that build to even work otherwise you burn everything instantly

Flood gain is less optimal though obviously since timer

[nova oar]

Pretty much

[craggy totem]

Just pom it up and you'll be sure to complete all encounters before the Flood duration ends lol

[cunning laurel]

cardio is close

[torn wind]

yeah if you can get enemies grouped enough

I've basically just been running nothing but jeweled pom for a while now

Still working on the fate incantation

Got like 6 more typhons to clear 😭

[honest tulip]

I think this prometheus fight was the most overstimulating thing I have ever done

[torn wind]

Do you have Exceptional talent yet?

[honest tulip]

there were explosions from picking up my shells
I was turning into car
I had Hades Green Pots
My Sprint? Hitch
My attack? Hephaestus Blast (2 seconds)
My cast? FireBall

[torn wind]

Me? I'm tight as F

[honest tulip]

I did end up priming fully before Prometheus started his second fire But I killed ||herc|| before he even finished fireing

[torn wind]

RIP yeah that's the one situation where flood gain may be better

[frail crypt]

how good is aspect of momus

[torn wind]

Quite

[craggy totem]

It's Fine ™ but not as OP as the other staves

[red fox]

Okish

It still a staff

[torn wind]

It's a pretty brain-off aspect

[crude dragon]

Good but not cracked, which makes it the "worst" staff

[torn wind]

Just cycle your omegas and sit there

[craggy totem]

It's brain off until you get the Momus in a GCA trial and the game won't give you any boons

Including gain

[honest tulip]

Oh right and my omegas have Hera Rift

I literally couldn't see the battle field at some points

[torn wind]

My fastest surface run was my first time using Circe and I absolutely chunked prometheus and heracles

[craggy totem]

Yeah sounds like you got pretty ideal RNG for skull

[torn wind]

Got fine line and ocean swell with the duo and hera attack with the double attack from daedalus

[crude dragon]

Also, Momus desperately needs every Nightmare you can spare it

[torn wind]

Did nearly their entire third phase in one attack lol

[crude dragon]

It doesn't feel coherent as an Aspect until you get those turrets down to 2 seconds between shots

[torn wind]

I still got a long way to go though, only 90 hours in the game so I'm not that fast yet

[honest tulip]

I have Heroic Hot Pot 13 Dodge
& Heroic Hasty Retreat 18.75% Dodge
this is going veyr well

[torn wind]

Okay time for me to actually do this rivals chronos run wish me luck

Also my dumb ass kept thinking I had furies arcana the last few runs 😭

[honest tulip]

good luck!

[torn wind]

kept doing combos specifically for it

[torn wind]

Same for ones like Morrigan 222 vs 777 is such a big difference when it usually ends up being like a third of your damage output

[broken creek]

Why wouldn't you have it on 🥀

[honest tulip]

I killed regular typon in a 1:12

Holey frick I literally just ran out of primed mana

[torn wind]

🧠🤏

Small brain maybe

Idk I know it’s probably far from optimal but still figuring out what works for me

[honest tulip]

I just realized something

Typhon isn't even in my damage taken list 💀

I literally skipped all of his phases

[torn wind]

He didn't even have time to hit you

[honest tulip]

He didn't 😭

I think one of his chin move then tendrils was coming towards me in his final phase and He died before it made it to the top

[torn wind]

😭 I really hope I get poseidon cause they gave me aphrodite first on an Eos run

And it's attack, special and gain

[honest tulip]

Aspect of Melenoe
Torches & Skull are the last things I've not completed a run yet with

[torn wind]

Only things I got left are melinoe staff, eos flames, and I think shiva coat

And I still gotta do supay underworld cause I forgot about that and did the run on surface

Also screw Supay who decided it should be unable to flinch

[potent nest]

any tips on making the beach ball go diagonally with mouse and keyboard? when I stop my sprint the ball usually goes either vertically or horizontally even though I was running diagonally.

[torn wind]

Yeah it's basically impossible to let go of both keys at once

[potent nest]

think autohotkey would help?

[torn wind]

Would it require letting go of both on the exact same frame?

Or is there a buffer

[potent nest]

I was thinking that I could bind 1 key to take the place of (say) w and d and then when I let go, it would let go of both at the same time. idk.

I'm not an expert in autohotkey

[torn wind]

Dare I fight Zag on only chamber 8 lol

I'd probably choke and ruin my run

Yep i suck at fighting him well screw that

[calm flicker]

I wonder if it's an inherent design philosophy of Supergiant to make crit rate so rare--or at least Artemis herself.

[cunning laurel]

crit is very strong so makes sense

[torn wind]

I mean depending on the boon some of them are a 30%+ damage buff even at common

effectively

Since crit is 300% damage

I mean even the arcana for combos is effectively a 45% damage buff to all omegas if you use it right

So yeah I think it's valid treatment

[jolly hound]

raki is a gangster, start every run with epic pressure points and hunter's mark

[torn wind]

Yeah effectively a 57% damage buff

Raki gang

Flat 12% without the mark

Hell yeah I got poseidon this Eos build is gonna be nice

First boon was 250% on Aphro special so Island Getaway here we come

[storm glen]

artemis was broken in the 1st game thats why

[torn wind]

Artemis in Hades 1 was one of those that felt pretty mediocre at first until you realized just how big the damage buffs actually were

ooohhooohooo this is gonna be fun. Got Chant with 42% buff from Chaos and already got creation so I have an extra Aether element

[calm flicker]

Consuming Magick too quickly.

Like escalier said, none of the Daedalus upgrades can't be worked around.

[calm flicker]

Darkest Dungeon taught me that a high crit rate is to be coveted.

[torn wind]

I'm an insanely lucky duckling this run. Got 50% bonus chance from hermes, epic mark from artemis, and even got a DD from the random charon well item lol

Nevermind moon water didn't give me the "restore damage taken" one screw this run I won't be able to scum tank chronos

[broken creek]

That is not a downside 🥀

[jolly hound]

you pretty much need a good gain for it to work

[broken creek]

Not a single skull cares for omegas, persephone and hel are better played ignoring theirs actually

So consuming mana is never bad

[jolly hound]

you dont use the sprouted persephone o special?

[broken creek]

Not at high fear no

Its better played as a worse mel skull

[still mantle]

Magick

[still mantle]

Did you get conservation?

[torn wind]

I didn't get enough paths 😭 sea star didn't duplicate the only one I got

I'm F'd though

[still mantle]

Bros using dds😭

[torn wind]

Going into rivals chronos on my first attempt with only skelly DD because I choked on cerberus

[still mantle]

What fear are you on?

[still mantle]

Bro choked on cerby🥀

[torn wind]

Yeah I know laugh it up I didn't DD on him the first time i fought him

Also it was rivals cerb not normal

[still mantle]

What fear are you on

[torn wind]

21

[still mantle]

Also rivals cerb is one of the most tame rivals fights

[cunning laurel]

if you arent used to him hes tough

[torn wind]

Okay and why are you being so belittling

[cunning laurel]

do your best not to hit him when his hands are up

[torn wind]

And I don't know that cause I've only fought him twice

[cunning laurel]

yup all about learnin

[torn wind]

Probably gonna be my first failed run in like 15 attempts here cause I got no clue about rivals chronos

[cunning laurel]

you got it

[torn wind]

by the skin of my damn teeth

with just skelly DD F me

If only it gave me island getaway that would have been so much easier

[broken creek]

My statement still stands

Like whats the issue no skull cares about magic

[torn wind]

Only if you do the funny p-array build but that's easily negated by born gain or flood gain

[broken creek]

Yeah the whole convo is abt p.array lol

[torn wind]

But yeah otherwise skull uses so little magick

Well I can say I at least beat rivals typhon and chronos both on my first tries \o/

[still mantle]

||Zag|| in this game is significantly easier than charon was in hades 1😭

[still mantle]

Congratulations

[broken creek]

Yeah he has like 2 moves

[torn wind]

Yeah since charon had the whole soul waves and stuff and the giant oar sweeps

[broken creek]

Hes just a time sink that will one shot you if you fall asleep(very likely)

[torn wind]

Especially since H1 the combat was way closer range

[still mantle]

Charon was like the second hardest boss in the game INCLUDING extreme measures but my boy here hits like a truck but gets sub 30d by my half finished supay build

[torn wind]

I feel like Supay is both great and ass only because I'm not used to enemies not getting staggered yet

I've only used it once

[still mantle]

Not even much of a time sink at a good pace

[broken creek]

For 62 hes a waste of time

[still mantle]

Air quality static shock build

Trust me

[broken creek]

Its a very particular weapon

Iirc you want a good rush and on hit effects on attack and special

[torn wind]

Fair enough lol. I had a pretty strong poseidon waves build when I used it. Got ares duo and would have been way better but game refused to give me King Tide

Lol my max rivals run ended up being my fastest underworld run

by 2 seconds

[still mantle]

Use romantic spark.

Its like a weaker merciful end

Except it actually shows up

[torn wind]

Would it be better than arc flash?

Since you have to run into people for it. I mean having both wouldn't hurt

[red fox]

Just deal 120 dmg

It isn't some impossible task

Oh wait supay

[torn wind]

Well yeah just saying since Supay is constantly omega you'd be activating them for more damage

[red fox]

Yea it kinda hard

[torn wind]

I had a flames build, I think moros, that I got kings ransom with arc flash and double strike that I was doing like 750 damage per blitz

[still mantle]

Supay is half centered around rush boons so yeah

Plus the boost is better

[still mantle]

I mean air quality

Aq supay has become my new favorite build

[broken creek]

Romantic spark is useless like all the time

Just get arc flash on supay and things explode

[still mantle]

I usually get both

[broken creek]

Thats painfully redundant and arc flash is probably doing most of the work

[still mantle]

Sometimes I don't even get arc flash

[torn wind]

Romantic spark is basically just a slightly higher damage arc flash that you have to put yourself in danger for

[red fox]

Getting aphro into my supay run I can't

[calm flicker]

I must say, I miss Hades 2's teleport sound file when I'm playing Hades 1.

[torn wind]

Only 2 aspects left for the prophecy

[fickle token]

What's the difference between Teal and Purple Forget-Me-Not icons? 🤔

[torn wind]

And still gotta get supay to chronos

[torn wind]

teal means you have enough

[fickle token]

ty

[torn wind]

for the cheapest thing that you have that requires it

[still mantle]

Perhaps

[torn wind]

It's just you're also likely to hit them and activate blitz before you can run into them

[still mantle]

Well then whose gain should I get

[broken creek]

Yeah merciful end was crazy because you took the timer off of doom, romantic spark isnt as valuable since it's tied to your single dash and already blitz is limited by your own dps and its icd

[still mantle]

whose gain should I get

[torn wind]

I forgot which one is merciful end again?

[broken creek]

Hera probably idk

[still mantle]

The one from h1 that instaactivates doom

[broken creek]

Athena x ares in h1, doom can be triggered forcefully by deflect effects

[torn wind]

Ah right yeah

[red fox]

When in doubt born gain

[torn wind]

Did merciful end work with the aphro-ares duo that made doom not go away on weak?

[broken creek]

I think so yeah

[torn wind]

Jeez then yeah that's pretty busted

[still mantle]

Curse of longing sucked tho

[torn wind]

On it's own yeah kinda

[still mantle]

I just had a really dumb build idea

What do yall think is the fastest way to use up magick?

[still mantle]

Its*

[torn wind]

who cares

But yeah I'm assuming your build idea is hestia-hera duo with born gain?

[still mantle]

Yes

[broken creek]

P.array

[still mantle]

BESIDES POSSESSED ARRAY

BECAUSE THAT SHYT NEVER SHOWS UP

[torn wind]

IDK supay uses magick up pretty damn fast

[red fox]

Etalent ocean swell fine line torch

[still mantle]

I have gotten possessed array ONCE outside of chaos trials

[nova oar]

The build isn't very good, you are not the first to walk this road

[still mantle]

Seems nice

Also i figured

[broken creek]

Moros torches with fine line and ocean swell then

[still mantle]

No build has never been tried before

[red fox]

The duo has a funny problem

[torn wind]

Better dumb idea, hestia total eclipse with demeter-hestia duo

[red fox]

If you spend that many magick already you usually already killing everything

[still mantle]

Which is?

All I see is a niche nuke build

That benefits heavily from traces of spirit

[broken creek]

You could be funny and run the super nuke build of antler + grievous Shiva Oattack setup

Just hope to god you land the double crit

[nova oar]

Real

[torn wind]

I did manage to get siege frame and world collider and was hitting like 3.8k with aphro attack

But I know it could be WAY higher

Didn't get grievous

Also wasn't on Shiva, didn't have it unlocked yet

[red fox]

Imagine the number on shiva and crit

[torn wind]

Okay but what if you managed to get the apollo backstrike too lol

[red fox]

Too much dream

[broken creek]

Im sure theres some hypothetical biggest number we can hit thats never gonna happen unseeded

[torn wind]

Yeah for sure

crit, grievous, apollo back strike, chakra collider, siege frame, aphro attack

Also entirely relies on pomegranates and heroics to get the true mathematical limit

[still mantle]

I kinda wish antler made you take like triple damage instead of limiting you to 30 hp

Mutual destruction stonks

[broken creek]

Thats just worse than the 30hp

[still mantle]

Exceptional talent has entered the chat

[still mantle]

Is it?

[broken creek]

There was an older fear vow in EA that did that actually though

[torn wind]

The 30 health limit effectively makes anything health related worthless rather than weakened. 6 one way half dozen the other

[broken creek]

Made you actually have to play the entire game hitless since the first hit would be 3x

[torn wind]

Jeez

[red fox]

Pain 3 chronos hit for 70, 3x mean 210

[broken creek]

Yeah because why in God's name would taking 200+ from a normal chronos hit be easier than having 30 health

[red fox]

Well i see no different

One shot vs one shot

[torn wind]

Would kill you instantly at 30 health

[broken creek]

It would make even the small hits just kill you

[still mantle]

Maybe 2×

[broken creek]

Cuz like at least the little orbs from gramps wouldnt kill you even at pain3 with antler on

Plus when I have 100+ armor, seeing that drop in 1 hit would be awful

[red fox]

Yea

[still mantle]

Also even though antler would be sorely missed i do wish that Artemis's keepsake instead let you summon her

[torn wind]

Fair, forgot antler you can use armor still

[red fox]

Kill armor synergy for 0 reason

[still mantle]

True

[torn wind]

I didn't take armor into account when considering multiplied damage

Since at least that's the one grace antler gives

[still mantle]

Get shadow pounce consistently= profit

Or you could get the shadow of its former self dumpster fire that support fire is in this game

[broken creek]

Id much rather take 30% cr in a region than an arty boon

[nova oar]

Real

[red fox]

Idk why anyone so insists on changing a keepsake perfectly fine

[still mantle]

Yes, but you're the kind of person who calls 62f a "practice run"

[nova oar]

You're*

[red fox]

Like it is picked by good player only, so what?

[nova oar]

The game can't just cater to the less skilled side of the playerbase, it's good we have some high risk high reward options

[royal coral]

I have been playing Hades II with a friend, and they got the aspect of night and darkness very quickly, but I still haven't gotten, I've looked up how to get it, but can't get a straight answer, does anyone know how?

[red fox]

Like you enjoy never picking wantler and stay on low fear, fine, enjoying 62f and picking wantler for high risk high dps, also fine

[red fox]

Incantations and talking to NPC

[still mantle]

I think something like blackened fleece should be the new "speedrunner high risk high reward" option in my hypothetical scenario where keepsakes get reworked, it would fit

Like change fleece so it give crit chance on low hp or smth

Although its probably impossible to please everyone....

[red fox]

Reinvent old wantler that removed for a reason

[still mantle]

What was old wantler?

Also, @nova oar i do kinda wish there were more antler like keepsakes

[nova oar]

It lasted the whole run

[nova oar]

Me too

[nova oar]

You're never gonna be able to make all the keepsakes viable, it's too tricky

The only ones that I would rework are circe, nem, and echo

[broken creek]

They've done a pretty good job tbf

[nova oar]

And make antler 5 health with 100% crit chance

[red fox]

Lmao that sounds broken af

[nova oar]

Yeah it would be

[red fox]

You touch enemy and they die

[still mantle]

Ok now your catering to insane speedrunners and literally no one else. Like current antler doesn't seem that hard to learn but that?

[nova oar]

It's a joke lmao, it'd still be absolutely broken

[red fox]

100% crit chance is crazy for everyone instead

[still mantle]

Make nem 30% fir your entire death region

[red fox]

Because you just oneshot everything

[nova oar]

Too much like fang

[crude dragon]

As with many unlocks, it's gated behind rolling the correct Hecate dialogue

And the flag before it can appear is to get to Hecate with the axe, knives, staff, and torches

[nova oar]

Make it like 40% for the bossfight

[broken glen]

Nemesis appears in every room throughout the region and takes all of your doors

[brave gate]

Has 62f been beaten with every aspect?

[still mantle]

What wrong with circe

[broken creek]

Yeah both ways too

[nova oar]

65 has been done all aspects both routes

[brave gate]

Gotcha

[broken creek]

In theory 67 UW can be done by everything

Surface is a bit harder to say

[brave gate]

I don’t think Nemesis’ keepsake needs to be reworked at all. It does its job great and that’s to be good for new players/new save files.

[broken creek]

Its job is done better by literally every other offensive keepsake that isnt fleece

It just doesnt have a niche

[brave gate]

You’re already gonna have most if not all of the arcana you want already active. If even there is arcana you still want, it’s random

[still mantle]

Make it also reduce damage taken from that enemy

[crude dragon]

Half of her offerings are pretty bad

Old Herbal Remedy is multiplicative, so it doesn't work on max Scars

The card draws and card upgrades are bad

And Black Night Banishment can still hit Vow of Void, which means it has a chance to do literally nothing to help you

And Returning to a Simpler Form only procs on Omegas

[still mantle]

Me when figurine gives me eternity and night

[brave gate]

They’re talking about the keepsake not Circe herself

[crude dragon]

Oh

Yeah, that one's also bad

[still mantle]

*circes keepsake

[broken creek]

Circe herself is goated at least

[crude dragon]

Eh

[broken creek]

Give me judgment on 67 🗣🔥🔥🔥

[crude dragon]

The size boons and pet upgrade are nice

Everything else is middling to worthless

[brave gate]

Hits Wayward Son and a Reroll

[still mantle]

Does wayward son work on scars 3?

[broken creek]

She cant hit reroll if you fw

[brave gate]

No

[crude dragon]

Best I can do is Wayward Son and Eternity

[crude dragon]

Nope!

[broken creek]

Then we restart until she hits judgment 😌

[still mantle]

Somebody, right now, without looking it up, tell me what eternity does

[crude dragon]

Cutely times out in Ephyra

[broken creek]

Slowdown for 1.2 seconds when charging an omega

[brave gate]

Yeah but the vast majority of the time you’re gonna get offered at least one of those 3

[broken creek]

In ephyra is crazy

Thats a hard skill issue

[crude dragon]

So make it old Antler?

[brave gate]

I like how the pet upgrade with Gale is flat out worse than smaller stature lol

[crude dragon]

Oh right, it is

[brave gate]

But it’s better than nothing

If you’re using Toula you get another DD

[red fox]

If you use raki you get pp

[broken creek]

@still mantle ik im right too

Eternity isnt hard to remember

Or i need to get a 2nd job one or the other

[still mantle]

Cool

Correct

[crude dragon]

You get PP 2

[red fox]

From rare pp to heroic pp with epic succ rate

[brave gate]

Circe should make Raki’s damage go from 5 to 500

And make him shoot lasers

But for real, Circe’s pet upgrade for Frinos and Gale should be changed because she has other boons that are straight up a better version

[nova oar]

100% agree

[final saddle]

Rival Scylla might just be my new favorite boss

[brave gate]

Don’t tell that one guy

[craggy totem]

Hahaha, that makes a change 😆

[nova oar]

[crude dragon]

Imagine if Circe's upgrade for Frinos just made him bigger, and for Gale, it gave you more barriers

[final saddle]

Almost got distracted by the song again lol

[nova oar]

I never get distracted cause I play with no sound

[final saddle]

But still beat her first time, funny how just adding a really boring midboss spices the fight up so much lol

[brave gate]

Yeah something to do with his projectile eating. Either decreasing the cooldown or increase the area of effect.

To begin with, I don’t know why one of Frinos’ cookie upgrades is for damage. Should’ve been related to the projectile eating.

[final saddle]

Also used the scythe, usually this weapon leads to me takin way too much damage lol

[brave gate]

Same

[torn wind]

Maybe make his projectile blocking be that he jumps at projectiles every now and then, similar to Hecuba and Raki

Though that would make working around his location a bit more unpredictable

But it would be funny to see him leap at projectiles like flies to catch them

[nova oar]

Give him a really long tongue

[torn wind]

That’s a possibility. Keep him planted in a spot and he’ll occasionally reach out to grab projectiles

And use that to replace his treat upgrade for how often he does it

[nova oar]

Exactly

[final saddle]

Methinks it’s time to start going in on these fear things

[torn wind]

Never gonna happen but fun for our delusions

[tiny remnant]

is the achievement 'haunted by the past' still bugged? I'm ~60 hrs into the game, just beat surface at fear lvl 32 (VOW 4), have almost the entire fatest list done, have talked to the two characters in question for this prophecy, and i still have not gotten the incantation to give the achievement... am I missing something? I've talked to the surface boss numerous times, both vow of rivals and not...

[final saddle]

I just got my fastest, strongest, and least damaged runs yet and I was just using the first 2 rivals vows

[torn wind]

My fastest surface run was my first 3 rivals run and my fastest underworld was my first max rivals lol

[final saddle]

Not my fastest, but definitely one of my strongest and completely least damaged

[torn wind]

It’s funny how that works but definitely had to do with me dropping some of the other stuff like hordes

Hordes is fun even if it’s not optimal at all

My first surface level 3 rivals I didn’t drop a single DD until typhon. It was nice

[final saddle]

My fastest underworld run was my first post credits run lol

[brave gate]

@final saddle how much fear do you wanna start with

[final saddle]

16 minutes using Than, I was still on Strength and using the cycle of Olympus -> Fig -> Gorgon -> Fleece

[torn wind]

Yeah it’s funny that my first underworld max rivals was my fastest since Scylla takes a bit longer and chronos gets back his third phase

[final saddle]

Scylla is stupid fast even in rivals lol

[nova oar]

Don't use fleece

[torn wind]

Having to run around for the Charybdis tentacles takes a bit longer

[final saddle]

I kinda just roll with whatever I need to hit the next thing

[torn wind]

I need to do my 32 fear underworld soon

[final saddle]

Aside from that I run the max Rivals I have unlocked (2 rn), because I like the new bosses

[nova oar]

They get better

[torn wind]

I’ve almost completed every fear bounty

[nova oar]

Rivals cerb and chronos are my 2 favourite fights

[brave gate]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwwLDAsMCwwLDAsMiwwLDMsMCwwLDAsNV0=
You can try this if you wanna hop to 16

[torn wind]

Rivals cerb I walked the first time I fought him and nearly threw the entire run the second time

[brave gate]

Better to get used to Frenzy 2 now rather than later

[nova oar]

I approve, also just noticed you did 45f, well done

[brave gate]

Thanks!

[nova oar]

What are you aiming for next?

[brave gate]

Right now I’m just trying to get an atleast 32f win both on surface and underworld for each aspect.

But for pushing fear, probably gonna try for 48 next with by adding Return 2 and Wards 1.

This was my setup for 45f:

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwzLDAsNSwyLDIsMiwzLDYsMCwyLDIsMTJd

[nova oar]

Yeah this is what I would run, i'm assuming you're doing fates whim normal arcana?

I would also add hordes before wards but it's personal preference cause I despise wards

[brave gate]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzMiLCJjNiIsImM3IiwiYzgiLCJjMTEiLCJjMTIiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTciLCJjMTgiLCJjMjQiXQ==
This is what I use

Wayward son is only there because there’s nothing else to use the 1 grasp on lol

[nova oar]

Seems pretty perfect to me

[nova oar]

Yeah i mean with scars 2 it's still 3 health per encounter

[brave gate]

And I sometimes swap out Huntress for Night when using the torches

[nova oar]

Valid

Looks like you'll have an easy time as possible running it then

[nova oar]

Do all aspects 😈

[brave gate]

Meant to type aspects lol

[summer elk]

What happens if you gift an NPC with Ambrosia, Twin Lures, or Bath Salts if that's not ||listed as the item required for progression in the Codex||, or you've already completed their affinity?

[buoyant matrix]

do 62

[nova oar]

Oh good, takes forever tho

[brave gate]

They just hand it back to you

[nova oar]

It doesn't progress anything you just do the scene with them

[buoyant matrix]

misinformation

[summer elk]

Sad.

[summer elk]

Wait, there is a scene? Even if it's repeat dialogue, that'd be nice.

[nova oar]

Me? Misinformation? Never

[nova oar]

Apparently i'm wrong

[brave gate]

I’ve been making steady progress because I pick whichever weapon has the blood thirst on it and then check which aspect(s) I still need to do

[nova oar]

When I was doing all aspects 40f I set up a whole spreadsheet for it so I didn't have to go and check every time

[brave gate]

Except when the bloodthirst lands on the coat 3 times in a row and I crash out

[nova oar]

Me being forced to play selene coat

[brave gate]

I’ve done 32f Selene for surface but not sure about UW

[nova oar]

Are you gonna speedrun each aspect?

[buoyant matrix]

happened with the staff as soon as i finished 62 with all aspects on both paths

every other run it was on staff

ts pmo smh my head

[brave gate]

Probably not each aspect but I do wanna try speed running. My current UW record is around 12min 15sec and surface is around 13min 10sec I think. But those happened when I was pushing fear so they could obviously be lower

[final saddle]

That one scares me

[brave gate]

After a bit it feels normal. Then if you turn it off the game feels like slow motion lol

[final saddle]

Stuff like Prometheus’s overgrown chicken on x2 or whatever speed sound like hel

[nova oar]

Definitely very easy to get lower

If you tried

I've done sub 7.30 on all aspects, and sub 10 all on sf

[buoyant matrix]

sub 7 is very achievable with enough effort

[nova oar]

Going for sub 7 and sub 9 all aspects atm

[brave gate]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwzLDAsMiwwLDEsMiwwLDYsMCwwLDAsMTJd
This is what I’ve been using when I do 32 fear. I like using Fang 1 over Hubris so I have to think less and can be more silly lol

[brave gate]

For sure

[buoyant matrix]

I'm grinding hitless fresh file rn, would've been already done if i wasn't so busy irl

[nova oar]

Real

[nova oar]

Sounds fun but also incredibly boring

[brave gate]

Is there a way to turn on a total run time timer? That counts up from 0. I’ve seen it in videos but don’t know if it’s a mod or something

[storm glen]

of all the 1 fears why debt brah

[nova oar]

Yeah, in settings

[nova oar]

Free with watch

[buoyant matrix]

it's only boring in the first few rooms until you get your ocast going

[brave gate]

It’s a non issue. Even without Chronos’ keepsake you get more money than you need

[nova oar]

oooo ok i never thought about ocast

[storm glen]

big money fun tho

[nova oar]

You can get away with alot at 32f

[brave gate]

Yeah and it’s easy to have big money with Debt 1 lol. I’ll end runs with Debt 1 and have tons of extra gold

[buoyant matrix]

the main strategy for fresh file is breaker rush into beach ball but i found that too dangerous for hitless, you happen to have apollo, dem and poseidon all in the night's pool which is perfect for ocast builds

[still mantle]

How?

[nova oar]

Yeah I figured

[nova oar]

With jpom and not needing magic you can take coin over just about anything

[brave gate]

The game makes it extremely easy to have money. If you’re using rerolls, get Quick Buck from Hermes ASAP. If you’re using Fates Whim, you have Chrollex

[nova oar]

That too

[brave gate]

It was only yesterday that I realized the beach ball grows in size the longer you run lmao

[buoyant matrix]

it's ridiculous in how much damage it can deal

[storm glen]

bigger money...

[buoyant matrix]

you can take it in 62, completely forget you even have it and it'll end up in the top 5 damage list anyway

[brave gate]

Rather debt 1 over hordes, grit, pain, scars, wards, or return. Even over Hubris 1

[storm glen]

how over hubris brah

[brave gate]

Because it’s little a non-issue

[nova oar]

Over hubris is a bit much but I respect it

[brave gate]

I can still buy everything I want to with Debt 1

[still mantle]

I use like hordes 3 for 16-20f😭

I have a really, really, really, really stupid idea

[brave gate]

Yeah that’s objectively the equivalent of shooting yourself in the foot 💀

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwwLDAsMCwwLDAsMiwwLDMsMCwxLDAsOF0=
Literally just use this for 20

Can also increase timer to 3 and remove Menace and Shadows

[nova oar]

Oh no

[nova oar]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwwLDAsMCwwLDAsMCwwLDYsMCwwLDAsOF0=

This is way easier

[still mantle]

Probably been done before

[brave gate]

Erm look at my very next message 🙄

[nova oar]

I can't read

[still mantle]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwxLDMsMiwzLDAsNSwwLDAsMCwwLDYsMCwwLDAsMF0%3D

[brave gate]

Lmao

[nova oar]

This wouldn't even be hard

[brave gate]

Is this what you use

[still mantle]

Something like this

[nova oar]

I challenge you to find a 20f setup I can't clear

[still mantle]

Might swap wards depending on build

[brave gate]

Why do you use this

It’s like you’re purposely avoiding the easy ones 😭

[still mantle]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzUsMCwwLDAsMCwwLDAsMCw0LDAsMCwwLDYsNSwwLDAsMF0%3D

[nova oar]

Fr tho

[red fox]

Max void max rival frenzy 1 is 20f total right? Ngl that just sounds like a few tries

Miserable tho

[still mantle]

Or maybe this https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDMsMCwzLDIsNSwwLDAsMiwwLDMsMCwwLDAsMl0%3D

[nova oar]

No frenzy or rivals? Sure

[brave gate]

Without Frenzy the enemies would seem like they’re in slow motion to @nova oar

She wouldn’t get hit. It’s like Goku taking off the weighted clothing

[brave gate]

Why did you remove a level from timer 💀

Even if you don’t want Rivals just do this

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwzLDAsMCwwLDEsMiwwLDYsMCwyLDAsMF0=

[still mantle]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzUsMCwwLDYsMCwwLDIsMCw0LDAsMCwwLDAsMywwLDAsMF0%3D

[nova oar]

Yeah literally, even with void it's like an easier 62f

[nova oar]

Still easy, no timer I just play like a b**ch

[still mantle]

Fangs is unironically 5 free fear

[brave gate]

Why are you telling me that when you’re afraid of hubris 💀

[still mantle]

It really is impossible to find a 20f setup that covers everything once you git gud

[still mantle]

Is it not?

[honest tulip]

Who do I need to keep talking to to progress ||Silk & Spitefulness||

[nova oar]

Yeah that's what I'm saying, i've cleared 62f so even if you put void on there aren't enough vows that I can't easily work around

[brave gate]

I wouldn’t say it’s free and it’s definitely worse than hubris 2

[craggy totem]

TBF in Greek mythology, you should be VERY afraid of hubris :B

[honest tulip]

I think the last thing I did was ||Athena told me that she deserved it and mortals should know their place||

[nova oar]

Athena and arachne

[still mantle]

How so

[honest tulip]

I mean Arachne just has been doing a ton of generic lines and I think Athena's last one was irrelevant

I would have assumed a story dialogue would take priority over a generic one

[tiny remnant]

is the achievement 'haunted by the past' bugged? I'm ~60 hrs into the game, just beat surface at fear lvl 32 (VOW 4), have almost the entire fated list done, have talked to the two characters in question for this prophecy (Dora and the other person), and i still have not gotten the incantation to get the achievement... am I missing something? I've talked to the surface boss in question numerous times, both with VOW on and off...

[brave gate]

Hubris 2 means you need to pick up a mana pot or two

Fangs 2 means the ground is sometimes lava, enemies sometimes have Chronos orbs, enemies sometimes freeze you, enemies are sometimes the size of the moon, etc.

[honest tulip]

^ this is basically me but with Arachne & Athena

[nova oar]

Yeah hubris is always better, fangs can absolutely jump you sometimes

[nova oar]

Not bugged

[broken creek]

Fangs makes me realize some mobs are satan 2

[nova oar]

Real

[broken creek]

Like whoever at sgg made the tart hourglasses needs to be fired

[craggy totem]

Are enemies allowed to have the dark cloud and the time bubble with Fangs 2

[brave gate]

When there’s 2 giant anchor guys and their circles cover 95% of the arena

[tiny remnant]

Is there a guide on how to trigger it? I heard the dialogue between the two characters a long time ago, but that has long since stopped...

[brave gate]

I don’t see why not

[broken creek]

Like i need to make that "worse than epstein" thumbnail but with a tart hourglass or a wailer

[craggy totem]

Because there are a bunch of rules about what enemies can have what

So that's why I asked :P

[still mantle]

Well then you've proven your point

[nova oar]

Oh wait wrong prophecy

[brave gate]

Giant Sky Dragon in Thessaly hitting you from across the room with its spin attack

[broken creek]

And its fire breath being the size of the entire boat

Everytime I get hit by a chronos ball or the spinner line as soon as something spawns it pisses me off

[still mantle]

Wait

Replied to the wrong message

[brave gate]

https://imgur.com/a/8hsoXNV

[still mantle]

👏

[brave gate]

I hate when the houses have the spinning orb and the spinning laser

[still mantle]

Ok

[tiny remnant]

I just dont get how the 'haunted by the past' triggers have not been satisfied this far into the game...

[still mantle]

Seems playable

[broken creek]

Me seeing the thessaly boat the size of my pinky toe have 6 olympus harpies, a dracon, 4 armored auto turrets with speed and damage fangs, and 2 anchors to boot

[nova oar]

@tiny remnant You need to be at over 10 hearts with dora, and have had 2 conversations about it with non rivals prom

[still mantle]

Fangs 2 has been a mainstay since 8 fear

[brave gate]

And then Icarus shows up :D

[nova oar]

And also talk to dora every run

[broken creek]

And he drops the population of Nicaragua on melinoe

[final saddle]

Aaaaaaaaaa

[broken creek]

While doing nothing to help

[final saddle]

The sheep explode and I’m running at mach 50

[broken creek]

God I hate circus, im a blunderworld enjoyer

[brave gate]

When the punching guys in the Mourning Fields drop the root stalker field and hit you 53 times in 2 seconds

[tiny remnant]

This is her status, and I've had tons of convos w/ prom including about Dora... yet still nothing (I'm one heart shy of max relation status - last one is locked until i assume this incantation is earned)

[final saddle]

This fear thing is much more crazy than I expected lol, and it’s better to take these speed things?

[broken creek]

And the built in panic shield only happens after you took 80% because its coded with the competency of a toddler

[brave gate]

The big robots getting the yellow heart thing makes me wanna cry

[broken creek]

Like yes please panic iframes trigger when I gey hit with 2 damage 3 times and not when I take 80 4 times

[brave gate]

Here’s the thing, Frenzy 2 is harder than other vows. HOWEVER, it’s better to get used to them now. It won’t be long before you’re comfortable with Frenzy 2.

[final saddle]

I’m more concerned about the time

[nova oar]

Have you checked the cauldron

[final saddle]

I did beat Polyphemus with 3 minutes to spare but this is pushing me to run so freakin fast lol

[broken creek]

Timer is free as long as you dont have grit or hoards on and dont play like a snail

[brave gate]

Don’t worry, when you finish a region, you’re leftover time is carried over

[tiny remnant]

Yep, i've done tons of incantations and have none that I have not been offered yet

[brave gate]

Timer 2 is “7 minutes per region.” This means you effectively have 28 whole minutes

Which is a ton. I saw one of your recent runs in #h2-victory-boasting be 18 minutes so you’re good

[nova oar]

And you're still talking to dora

[tiny remnant]

yep, her relationship status is one heart shy of max (can't give anymore until this is satisfied i'm guessing)

[final saddle]

I do think I haven’t gone over 30 minutes yet

[nova oar]

Yeah she should give you the incantation after talking to prom and her enough, try doing the non rivals prom fight again

[final saddle]

The timer’s mere existence just stresses me the frick out tho man

[nova oar]

In a normal run, not a chaos trial or anything

[brave gate]

I was the same way but I quickly realized it doesn’t matter

[nova oar]

Just ignore it, don't look at it, forget its there

[brave gate]

@final saddle The timer also pauses for a ton of things. When you’re selecting a boon, in shops, in NPC rooms, in the rooms between regions, and in boss rooms after the boss is beaten

[calm flicker]

Weak's duration bleeding reduced from 4 seconds to 1 seconds in Hades 2 makes sense when Aphrodite's Ring & Gain apply is relatively easy. But why is Rush boon's application radius so damn small!?

[brave gate]

The timer also pauses for Nemesis, Artemis, Icarus, and Heracles rooms

[tiny remnant]

ok will do, it just seems to me that it's glitched

[final saddle]

Oh that’s very nice

Alrighty, time to fight rival Eris for the first time with x2 frenzy lol

[brave gate]

And obviously when you pause the game. Also when you’re in the book of shadows

[final saddle]

Aw crap I’m scared

[brave gate]

😭

[final saddle]

I made a joke when I first fought her about this

[brave gate]

Whenever she lands, just dash behind her

[final saddle]

I’m more scared about the laser beam in her hands than her patterns

[brave gate]

Yeah if you’re behind her you can’t get hit by it

She doesn’t turn 180 degrees

[final saddle]

Alright here we go

[brave gate]

I also find Rivals Eris lowkey easier than regular Eris

[final saddle]

…what the

That was so easy

She never ramped up

[broken creek]

Yeah rivals Eris is free

[final saddle]

Regular Eris without frenzy is harder

Not as free as Hecate, but that’s like…a no threat boss lol

I’m much more scared of the giant chicken featuring Prometheus than I ever would be of this Eris lol

[frail crypt]

is aspect of nergal any good?

feels pretty ass tbh

[craggy totem]

It's one of the ones where you have to max the level before it doesn't feel totally terrible

[frail crypt]

ugh thought so

[craggy totem]

Most of the aspects aren't that extreme about it, but yeah

Nergal and Morrigan be like

[jolly hound]

The +100% damage thing is a placebo, it only lasts four seconds or so and isn’t cumulative

[craggy totem]

(I guess I'd say Than axe, Circe staff, and Nyx coat are the most "try them out of the box" aspects)

[jolly hound]

but it is intimidating and doesn’t happen in rivals

[craggy totem]

I Would Not Call A Four Second Long Minicrit Phase A "Placebo", Personally

[frail crypt]

Circe staff really?

[craggy totem]

Yerp, the levels just buff the leash damage

Which is dece! But not the main draw of the 'spec

[jolly hound]

When your brain realizes it’s just four seconds and not 400 percent damage in final phase, it works as I described; if you caught on that it was just a few seconds early, then you’re smarter than I am

[frail crypt]

ive never touched it I dont trust the familiars

[craggy totem]

You do have to pick your familiar based on their movement behavior, yeah

[jolly hound]

get raki, upgrade raki, permanent epic pressure points and hunters mark is really good

[frail crypt]

i do have the prereq to get anubis, wonder how that one feels

[jolly hound]

Like nothing else in the game, but I love it

[craggy totem]

Anubis is very very different from the other staves, but worth trying out

[final saddle]

BOOM

GET WRECKED AETOS

[craggy totem]

(really I would say everything is worth trying out, but Anubis is a super weirdo /affectionate)

[frail crypt]

what hidden aspect next? just have axe and staff rn

[final saddle]

I still haven’t used a single DD

[craggy totem]

Blades if you don't mind spending more time on leveling stuff up

[jolly hound]

see you on team strength very soon

[frail crypt]

ehhh depends on the moveset

[final saddle]

Oh heck no

At super speed it’s gonna be a little bit before I’m gonna get that overconfident again

[frail crypt]

all my dds go towards chronos and everything prometheus-typhon