h2-discussion

[golden egret]

And Apple Music too.

[digital shoal]

do all the hits of Anubis’ aoe prof Wave Strike or is it just the initial attack?

[broken glen]

I’m pretty sure it’s every time the damage ticks on an enemy (unsure though)

[still mantle]

Aight im getting more comfortable with shiva coat

Apollo special works really well

[abstract aspen]

I'm back for more boonless attacks

and more smashing keyboard

oh I have Axe charon now

[craggy totem]

It's all hits, nobody would bother using onhits on Anubis if it was only the initial one

[rugged mortar]

how do you even get improbable outcomes achievement

I've already cleared chaos below 2 times

[cunning laurel]

2 sequentially?

[craggy totem]

You have to do it with no other runs or trials in between the two, uninterrupted, back-to-back.

[abstract aspen]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/918472938443911252/1464693736792654009/image.png?ex=697665d7&is=69751457&hm=2edcfc537f921dcb20bfd865f3eae7af0f7f645435a173e299f9061fb9e5eaec&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1522&height=856
just left oceanus with this build, I have so much fun even if I have boonless special

and I keep getting heph

I got apolo on my special, ojihuygfdrfgvbjihgvcftc, destroy everything from existance

[brave gate]

No I’d still use it cause it looks so pretty

[final saddle]

Is it possible to lose the last Underworld run?

[abstract aspen]

there is a last run ?

[brave gate]

Yes

[craggy totem]

Major ending spoilers: ||if you're thinking about the DDs, you still have to survive all the way to that phase of the fight first||

[abstract aspen]

I just did a run with the flames with hubis2, I don't know why I did that

[still mantle]

I did once😭

Died to the instakill

[abstract aspen]

I just got aspect of anubis on the staff, is this good ?

[still mantle]

Yes

You can make some pretty mean special nuke builds once you upgrade it

And the attack feeds on on hit effects

[abstract aspen]

on hit effects ?

[still mantle]

Blitz, poseidon waves, scorch

[brave gate]

Just bring Hecuba

[abstract aspen]

the attack is kinda slow

[still mantle]

Blitz works especially well when you trigger it with the special instantly

[still mantle]

Yeah but the zone does constant hits

[abstract aspen]

oh I've got zeus attack and hera special

[still mantle]

So it works well as a secondary damage source

[still mantle]

Yeah that's quite good

[buoyant matrix]

use dash attacks

[still mantle]

If you want some real damage use controlled burn with fourth degree

[abstract aspen]

oh I can't get scorch anymore

[still mantle]

You have Zeus attack correct?

[abstract aspen]

yes

[still mantle]

Well if the stars align you can get hestia dash and then the duo

Boom. Scorch

[broken glen]

Thermal dynamics 🤑

It’s so free it’s ridiculous

[abstract aspen]

they won't align I'm running a 12fear on olympus without dead defiance I know I'll loose

[fresh wind]

Vs VoR Scylla do you have to kill the 6 tentacles in both phases? I judt faced them for the first time with Mel staff and it feels like I didnt have to do anything to the tentacles during phase 2

I thought I understood how this fight worked now I dont lol

[abstract aspen]

why attack tentacles when you can kill the monster immediatly

[abstract aspen]

And I did rivals1, I'll loose

[broken glen]

Believe in yourself

[still mantle]

Are you using strength?

[broken glen]

Yes, you do- Charybdis’ tentacles are part of the overall health bar

[abstract aspen]

okay strenght saved me I have 20hp and won

[fresh wind]

Im really confused because it felt like phase 2 I was able to just chunk Roxy + scylla and I didnt have to fight the tentacles at all

[broken glen]

NEVER BACK DOWN NEVER WHAT

[fresh wind]

Wish I recorded it

[abstract aspen]

now I'll run onion to not die on boats

[abstract aspen]

sleep ?

[still mantle]

Btw way if the stars align twice you might be able to get exceptional talent

[broken glen]

The individual tentacles don’t have that much health

[still mantle]

WE WILL BE PERFECT IN EVERY ASPECT OF THE GAME

[abstract aspen]

i'm waiting for scorch now what's the second alignement I have to get ?

[fresh wind]

Yeah but I legitimately don't remember even attacking them

And im not running hitch or anything like that

[broken glen]

Well what were you running

You DO have to kill each of the tentacles in both phases to finish the fight

[fresh wind]

Mel staff, freeze + gust cast, Apollo attack + sprint, the hammer that increases damage + range

[still mantle]

You dont have to in any respect

If you somehow get it, exceptional talent is absolutely overkill

[broken glen]

It was probably cast chip damage + the big aoe of Apollo attack hitting them

[abstract aspen]

oh "exceptional talent" sorry

don't know what it is

[broken glen]

It’s Apollo’s legendary boon: makes your omega moves fire twice (but cost more)

[fresh wind]

Yeah I wish I recorded it bc something def felt wrong

Not that im complaining

During phase 1 wasnt killing the tentacles fast enough where me killing all 6 in phase 2 on accident feels possible

When Scylla said ||"Charybdis no!"|| Or w/e I was like

Wait what is going on lol

[still mantle]

It makes you omega moves hit twice

[abstract aspen]

I don't use omega

[still mantle]

What

[final saddle]

Even in ||phase 3||?

[still mantle]

Omega specialing is like, core to staff gameplay

[abstract aspen]

uh

all I do with staff is like spamming attack and special and cast

that's all

but I can't spam attacks with anubis

[still mantle]

Max anubis turns omega special into a fast nuke

If you get exceptional talent and dual moonshot the run is over

You've already won

[abstract aspen]

so I don't use attacks but omega special ?

[still mantle]

Attacks on anubis are best for applying things like blitz

More free damage

[abstract aspen]

my brain don't understand, I'll just stick to my plan : spam everything and hope I win

oh shoot I don't have any kind of magic replenish

well eris will off me

[still mantle]

Get born gain

If you can

[abstract aspen]

like retry throught the crossroad ?

[still mantle]

Oh your right at eris

Then your cooked

But anubis is really fun with the right setup

[abstract aspen]

ok eris dead

[abstract aspen]

I don't like the aspect I really like melione's cause I don't have to mind the setup and all, or maybe just me

oh

@still mantle omega special is a little good

okay prometheus

okay I die

[still mantle]

I am gonna clip a boss kill with exceptional talent and show you the true might of it

[brave gate]

Oh not then

[nimble inlet]

I just realized (ending spoilers) ||what melinoe did with Chronos at the end, made him realize he doesn’t have to avenge his downfall and can live in peace with his family, is kind of what Prometheus did with Aetos, while Aetos ate his liver every day and Prometheus had every reason to kill it, he chose to befriend it instead|| just an interesting thought that popped up

[brave gate]

Okay it's happened enough times to where I'm not imagining it: Does anyone else have the issue where during the rivals Eris fight you get stuck if walking while she throws the bombs out? I try to walk so theyre close together, but then Mel stops moving and I take damage.

[abstract aspen]

what's good about supay flames ? it deals little damage and I don't know if the auto thing is my attacks or specials

[fresh wind]

Haven't done too many Supay runs but it seems like they start awful DPS wise then snowball into something insane

With the right rush boon you can kinda nuke rooms

[tropic ravine]

I felt that too but I’d you get enough magick and get good attack and special it’s not bad

Like Hestia

[hasty ocean]

Attacks and specials auto-fire on Supay

Your strat should be building for added on-hit damage like Blitz or Scorch or Splash and then just sprinting around and dodging while your torches attack for you

Zeus goes hard on Supay, esp with Aphrodite and Romantic Spark. And it's my favorite aspect for Hephaestus blast shenanigans, esp with Hestia and Chain Reaction

[tropic ravine]

*omegas aren’t auto btw

[brave gate]

Anyone here ever got Power Surge (enemy is stuck when spending mana) with Mirrored Thrasher before? If so, how is it? Seems like it'd be good

[timid vigil]

Depends

[jolly hound]

It works exactly how you think it does and it’s super fun

Cardio gain makes it go on forever

[still mantle]

*circe nonwithstanding

[brave gate]

I wanna make it happen but going for specific hammer runs is so annoying

[timid vigil]

I was curious about this interaction and according to the wiki there's a small ICD on power surge, but it still works pretty good with mirrored thrasher

[jolly hound]

yeah, gotta get lucky but it will work exactly how you think it should

[nimble inlet]

You’d have to have quite a bad luck if you wouldn’t get mirrored trasher from your first or even second hammer, especially if you’re trying to get it

[brave gate]

Lost the run, but at least I got to summon the Erymanthian boar against Typon. That was funny

[nimble inlet]

Hehe, how did you? Haven’t played in a while and I probably forgot most duos or hexes

[brave gate]

Night Bloom. The hex that summons an enemy you killed in that encounter. For the Rivals Typhon fight, the eggs hatched into Wardens

[jolly hound]

fun fact, if you have sun worshipper from Apollo hera (revive the first bad guy you kill each room) and you use nights bloom you get two copies. I had two yargonauts the first time I beat 40f rivals 4 but boars would have been way funnier

[still mantle]

Anybody got and good joy and whimsy builds?

Dead chat 😭

[brave gate]

I cant think of any

[still mantle]

Perhaps ill pom a different gain then sac it for tough gain

Would that work?

[brave gate]

Yeah it works

[glacial light]

Heph cast winners circle circe

[still mantle]

Nice

[brave gate]

@still mantle Oh wait I remembered one: Use the Morrigan Blades and get Hephaestus legendary, the Blood Triad Hammer, and hope you can get Icarus to upgrade the Blood Triad hammer. Bonus points if you can also get the Banshe Brand hammer.

[grave kernel]

I found Heph builds usable on Jpom runs

[brave gate]

Even more bonus points if you can get the Success Rate boon with Banshee Brand

Almost got a new Fear PB (45). I would have gotten it if I were offered a single DD refill from anyone after Scylla. I didn't get one from Echo, wells, or shops.

[still mantle]

How exactly am I supposed to use supay?

[brave gate]

Sprint around the arena while spamming omega attack and special

[limpid oar]

on-hit effects on attack and special

[open flame]

i wanna get hades 2 but lowk wanna fully finish hades 1 first and think if i get 2 i wont play 1 again do u guys still play 1 after getting 2 :3

[brave gate]

This. The base damage sucks

[limpid oar]

I somehow first-tried 62f Supay because ||jpom|| was feeling generous

[brave gate]

I always hear people say Hades 1 feels slow and clunky after playing Hades 2. But some still play it

[open flame]

scary words.

[limpid oar]

I can get clunky, but slow? that game is faster than h2 and too fast for me, in fact

with the dash spam

[fathom lake]

Yep
I can confirm
Boons dont do nothing in hades 1 (exageration)

[cunning laurel]

welll they do nothing in 1 more often than 2

[brave gate]

If I get an onion from Vow of Forfeit from a god, does that add the god to my god pool?

[craggy totem]

No

[brave gate]

kk ty

[open nimbus]

The god of onions

[sour stump]

I unlocked and activated the ||run RNG reset|| incantation, how do I use that function, I don't see it anywhere

[brave gate]

I was confused as to why Strength was feeling so bad but then I remembered I had Scars2 on lol

[craggy totem]

It does what it says on the tin. Salute the Oath of the Unseen.

[rough lintel]

yes

[sturdy magnet]

I love Prometheus but Aetos is a pain in the ass

[tropic ravine]

Go to the Vow of rivals thing and press salute

[hasty mango]

hello

[nova oar]

Yes?

[honest tulip]

You know what would be SO funny?

If the red shade returned to Elysium and put up a Melenoe banner

[tribal wharf]

Faced Vow of Rivals Chronos for the first time
Was using Strength
Yeah....

[jolly hound]

Did you get to Time Itself

[tribal wharf]

I'm assuming you mean the third phase, no
I got done dirty by time bubble --> instakill right off the bat in the second

[final saddle]

I wanna chokeslam that chicken every time I fight Prometheus

[tribal wharf]

I already know VoR will add a third phase to the final boss, I figured they'll add cheeky tricks to the previous two phases but damn that was filthy

[jolly hound]

Correct I do, and now you’ll never fall for that again. It’s a tough learning experience and happens to everyone

[craggy totem]

IIRC I managed to avoid it in my very first VoR Chronos but only because I play like a total weenie

Saved by the cowardice

[jolly hound]

I once saved myself by using kamehameha and the extra armor took the insta kill, then ran right into the bubble and died on the second blast

[craggy totem]

oh No

Right after such a sick move...

[jolly hound]

I heard the voice of the guy who calls happy Gilmore jackass in my head

[still mantle]

Ok

[rough lintel]

rival chronos is the hardest boss in the game

followed by rival scylla

[brave gate]

Chaos’ attack, special, and cast boons improve on hit effects, right? Like they’ll increase the blitz damage on Zeus attack and special and the lightning bolt damage on his cast.

[broken creek]

No the attack and special are like any other % scaling boon that goes off of the base power, cast on the other hand does affect the actual boon damage

[brave gate]

Okay gotcha. I was assuming they’d work the same as the cast. Ty

[tropic ravine]

Third is hectare

4th typhoon

I despise auto correct

[nova oar]

Saying that when promaclese exists is wild

[tropic ravine]

True, but I always find myself getting hit by the morph

Ig your right third is promaclese

4th Hecate 5th typhoon

[nova oar]

If you dodge it normally and then go off on a different angle when it splits u can dodge it 90% of the time

[tropic ravine]

Ok thanks

This is based with just frenzy max btw

Hecate on no frenzy is easy

But everything turns into muscle memory if you practice

[honest tulip]

Hold up I think I just thought of an epic Mid Zone NPC....

Imagine you just roll up on Atlas

[nova oar]

I've only ever done the fight with frenzy

[tropic ravine]

Yeah

Frenzy is just so fun

[nova oar]

fr

[honest tulip]

Sucks we've never seen Iris

Especially since this game we got to see the other side of a boon

[tribal wharf]

Yep, second time around I managed to get him, though I used Death instead of Strength and almost died still
For some reason Sister Blades just click for me even when I feel like I'm not having the best of time using them
Even when right before fighting Chronos I accidentally traded away goddamn Trick Knives

[cunning laurel]

buying an anvil is absurd, even more so with trick knives 😭

[proper seal]

Oops accidentally picks trick knives and finding out its the most op hammer

[crude dragon]

It does the nigh-impossible and makes knives playable

[craggy totem]

TKless 67F Mel blades:

[cunning laurel]

yea reaper knives also enough

[still mantle]

So to use supay i just put poseidon waves on attack snd special, get stutter step, and some kinda good rush boon?

What's the best rush boon for supay?

[cunning laurel]

waves on both is crazy no, just do any flat damage

[still mantle]

Really?

But they do like no damage on their own...

[cunning laurel]

right, thats why you put flat damage on it

but waves on both is bad

[still mantle]

Why?

It gets triggered often, doesn't it?

[nova oar]

Going to be less damage than having something like hestia, zeus, or hera on special

[still mantle]

Ok, so on hit effects (besides hera) that's what i was thinking, poseidon was just my first thought

NOT flat damage

Ooh

[nova oar]

Hitch is worth it regardless

[still mantle]

Romantic spark mayhaps?

That could work

[cunning laurel]

wdym poseidon is flat damage

[still mantle]

Its an on hit effect

[cunning laurel]

same thing lol, its that vs %

[still mantle]

When i think flat damage i think modifier

[tranquil wren]

flat damage is a base number, as far as I've always known it

[still mantle]

Aight I activated air quality

Now we're cooking

[still mantle]

Wow this build really snowballed from the saddest ephyra ever to i cant see myself because there's too many different damage numbers

NO

THE RUN WAS SO GOOD

[nova oar]

What'd u die to?

[still mantle]

Typhon😭

Final phase

I hate it when I have such a good build then just die because I didn't have enough hp or was slow on my dodges etc.

[nova oar]

worst feeling fr

[still mantle]

I had Zeus on my attack and special, static shock, romantic spark, air quality, the thing that makes chain lightning better

Absolutely shredded the two minibosses

[nova oar]

Double zeus was not the play

Could've been such a good run otherwise

[still mantle]

It was at the last shop

Plus romantic spark make big numbers

[nova oar]

Did you just ignore all the attack/ special boons along the way

[still mantle]

Attack was the first thing I grabbed, most of the time there was something better than a special boon

[nova oar]

😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

[still mantle]

The game shoved aphro special in my face like 5 times

But its useless with air quality

[nova oar]

I would've taken it over double zeus

[still mantle]

But aphto special is literally useless, more zeus at least increases my damage

[nova oar]

No it doesn't

[still mantle]

Why not?

Oh right

Blitz doesn't stack.....

I forgor

Oh well

[rough lintel]

why double zeus lmao

[still mantle]

This is a learning experience

[still mantle]

Nothing better lmao

[rough lintel]

zeus ares heinous afront gaming

[still mantle]

Actually, it probably still did something

[rough lintel]

heinous afront is the merciful end on hades 2

[still mantle]

Because my attack doesn't always overlap with my special

So it is more damage because romantic spark instatriggers

[nova oar]

Blitz has an internal cooldown

[still mantle]

Of what?

[nova oar]

0.65 seconds iirc

[still mantle]

....

[nova oar]

You're gonna be better off filling the core slots earlier with a less than ideal boon than holding out for the perfect one

The way the game works is it's more likely you get core boons than secondaries, so first priority is filling them out so you can get the other boons you want

It works a bit differently with denial but generally that's what you should aim for

[errant crow]

I gotta figure out a better rhythm to morrigan

I'll do the entry combo and then it's all spam afterwards 🤣

[still mantle]

Omega attack, attack, special, Omega attack, (you should have to do a strike to start charging the Omega attack) repeat

The special will also contribute towards your next blood triad

[errant crow]

do you usually make any of those dash attacks?

[still mantle]

You can

I think its a bit faster

[still mantle]

Ok I guess...

Well next time the torches are thirst ill do supsy attempt 2

Maybe get support fire from Artemis

[nova oar]

Why? It's buns

[nova oar]

Special, dash attack, oattack, repeat

[still mantle]

Air quality

Makez it a bit better

Since im going for it anyway

Never say no to free damage

[errant crow]

do you run night on shiva?

[broken creek]

Uhhh depends high fear you dont touch the omegas at all

[errant crow]

yeah I'm not high fear yet, still completing everything

[broken creek]

Then yeah night works! Let's the Oattack hit even harder

[nova oar]

Typically yes

[broken creek]

Although night + eternity is a bit expensive

[broken creek]

Air quality sucks 99% of the time

[errant crow]

you always gonna run eternity with it then and skip artificer etc?

[nova oar]

Depends

Most of the time yes

[broken creek]

Although I would recommend if you plan on taking it to high fear get used to playing it as mel coat without a dash attack

Let's you use the grasp elsewhere too

Special cancel dash attack stuff is key

[errant crow]

you use something like this then? https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMzIiwiYzQiLCJjNSIsImM2IiwiYzciLCJjMTAiLCJjMTEiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTciLCJjMjMiXQ==

[broken creek]

Looks good to me yeah

[errant crow]

and then just jpom -> chrolex -> whatever else afterwards

[broken creek]

Yup

[errant crow]

i assume hecuba is a must

[broken creek]

Uhhh not really you can play manaless and be fine

The 67f avoids omegas pretty hard

So just take gale/raki then if you get omegas online then cool

[errant crow]

no plum remember smooth brain isnt going 67f yet

im at like 24

[broken creek]

Well yeah but why take hecuba when the weapon manaless is fine

[errant crow]

shiva?

[broken creek]

Yeah you can ignore omegas and be fine so hecuba isnt necessary

[errant crow]

oh weird I thought the whole thing with shiva was just omega special omega attacking

so I guess if you're not doing omega attack you'd just go for some kind of apollo/aphrodite/hera attack then? maybe ares idk

[craggy totem]

Shiva is so not a Mel coat without a dash attack, it is a weird bird

[honest tulip]

omg Hera just gave me Air Quality at the Peak of the mountain

My gust just got insanely boosted

[errant crow]

I see what you mean with this dash attack @broken creek so I need to be using special to cancel so i dont just keep getting dash attacks to proc yeah?

i find myself dash attacking even when im not trying to lol

nvm I died to rival polyphemus anyway bc I'm amazing

[dreamy cave]

hi, was super endgame player when 1.0 dropped and finished 1.0. Just got the incantation to rewind time to experience the revamped ending but both surface and underworld runs end like normal? tried with and without fear

nvm finally found it on google, gotta interact with the statue

[nimble inlet]

Ohhh, cool

[nimble inlet]

That’s wholesome

[magic scarab]

🙁

[honest tulip]

How many rooms does Lion fang typically wear off by the time you reach Typhon/ Chronos?

Cause I just think it makes the Evil Eye quite a bit redundent lol

[tropic ravine]

Promised some people i would do 62 fear… most i got was like chamber 6

[still mantle]

Does it?

[honest tulip]

I mean While this is a bit atypical I did have the Duo boon that upgrades your Keepsake and I had it on lion fang

and my Lion Fang boosted me by 55% in the Typhon Rivals lol

[still mantle]

Ok but isn't it 50% at max normally?

Or is it 70?

[honest tulip]

I think it upgraded it to 70 that then died back down?

I didn't know if it went to it's max or not tho

Like if it already counted the multiple 5%s I'd lost

or if it didn't count those

[still mantle]

Ooh right it refreshes when it upgrades

So if you upgraded it like halfway through summit then it would've gone to full

But normally evil eye (30%) is better because at least in tartar your getting like 20% at absolute max

Of course evil eye only works on the last foe that vanquished you

[rustic basin]

Currently on my best speedrun in spite of Fig Leaf not going off in either Oceanus or Fields (I'm pissed)

[honest tulip]

Damn Dio be slacking

[crude dragon]

Assuming you only do the required rooms, it's 5 rooms to Chronos. And then Typhon is always 6 rooms before him

[still mantle]

Welp I got an insane supay run then died to typhon because I had no hp...
What should I do next?

[crude dragon]

You get 25% at max

And if you were really gaming, you'd take Antler

[rustic basin]

6:10 with 1/3 Figs

Whateva

[crude dragon]

Circe fun run

[still mantle]

Ok I guess...

I go wherever the thirst takes me

[crude dragon]

And what does the Thirst say

[still mantle]

I am not really gaming

[still mantle]

Haven't checked

[still mantle]

Coat🥀

I wish I didn't check

I might just do a chaos tril to reset the thirst

[nova oar]

Evil eye is bottom 5 keepsakes, fang is way better

[still mantle]

Well, on the final boss evil eye just gives more damage, innit?

Assuming it's The right one

I got lion fang and thought it was a nothing keepsake lol

Wait so what exactly does chrolex do?

I just sac chamber rewards for moolah?

I didn't read it too closely

[crude dragon]

Yeah, you're effectively selling room rewards

[crude dragon]

Assuming it's been set up correctly

Is it 30% global or some nonsense like 30% strike damage?

Because I know Fang's global

[still mantle]

Its 30% global

To whatever goober last ended your run

[nova oar]

Only works on final boss, does nothing all region and nothing to the adds

Fang gives more damage output overall than eye does

[honest tulip]

omg Icarus exploding cast is really pairs well with Hades Howling Cast

[errant crow]

trying to get a win with an unupgraded judgment, what's gonna be my easiest weapon/familiar combo lmao

[still mantle]

THANK YOU

[still mantle]

upgrade it....

[errant crow]

I've got it to the second rank -- still trying to think of what would be best, maybe like a circe since omega charges so slow and then go frinos for the hp

[still mantle]

ok but bottom five??????

[honest tulip]

OMG

I JUST UPGRADED MY LION FANG

IN THE FINAL ROOM

I'm getting +70% damage against Typhon 😎

[craggy totem]

THE BEST FEELING

[honest tulip]

I

I think I just phase skipped all of his phases

[still mantle]

I'm still missing a few keepsakes (have jpom and chrolex) what are the mostlikely things for me to be missing?

[broken creek]

Just go gale if youre gonna play circe, no reason to use frinos ever

[broken creek]

Calling card

[honest tulip]

have you fought the mini boss

from middle Charon shop

[still mantle]

On circe?

[still mantle]

i got my ass kicked once

[honest tulip]

do it again >:3

[still mantle]

can i give nectar to him after a couple tries?

ok who else

pretty sure im missing like 3

i might be wrong tho

[crude dragon]

Yeah, because it can be only active on a single route at a time, swaps if you ever die to anything else, and only applies to the exact thing that kills you

Honestly, bottom 5 is generous, it's in a dead heat for the bottom spot with Bell

[still mantle]

still better than barley sheaf🤣

[crude dragon]

No, because Circe makes good use of Demeter boons

[still mantle]

surely, its better than the phial?

[crude dragon]

As do a few other builds

[crude dragon]

Absolutely not, Phial can be gamed

It's one of the better choices for a region 2 keepsake if you're running rerolls, because you could deliberately avoid commons for all but 1 boon

[still mantle]

welp, evil eye has been a mainstay for my 4th region keepsake slot

[crude dragon]

And then you just use the post-Poly or post-Hecate fountain after swapping and guarantee the Heroic

Really, the only problem with it is that Cherished Heirloom does nothing for it

[still mantle]

ok, but luckier tooth is useless on strength

[crude dragon]

Yep, but you know what isn't?

🦌

[nova oar]

https://imgur.com/a/cZbykqA

[nova oar]

I'd put bell above eye

(See my keepsake list above)

[crude dragon]

You could also break Fate's Whim for Tartarus and the Summit and whip out Amulet

[broken creek]

Eye just doesnt do anything for 99% of the run and is outdone by every other r4 keepsake

[honest tulip]

Omg ||Schelememnon|| 😭

I NEED this to be his name in Hades III

[nova oar]

What do you think of my keepsake tierlist

[crude dragon]

There is no Hades 3

[honest tulip]

I know 😔 But I can hope

hcope

[crude dragon]

But ||King Schelememnon|| will return in Avengers: Doomsday

Bell in B tier? Interesting

[broken glen]

1894 or something idk

[crude dragon]

Was going more for the Megamind clip

[broken glen]

There is no England

[nova oar]

It has a use case in 67f and it's fun to play around

[crude dragon]

There is no Tooth Fairy, there is no Easter Bunny, and there is no Hades 3

[nova oar]

[nova oar]

It could also fully be in F tier it's just really funny

[broken creek]

Idk twin im at work and can only pop in every now and again

[honest tulip]

Rip to Macaria

[nova oar]

😔

[tropic ravine]

I have a great feeling Midas and Charon are great friends

[honest tulip]

^ Is it just me or does everyone read everything you say in Zagreus's voice

[tropic ravine]

Thank you my good shade

(Someone pls understand)

[honest tulip]

Your good shade is currently in my training ground with Commander Skelemeus

(It would be really funny if the red shade went back to Elysium and put up a Melenoe Banner, just for the sake of it)

[errant crow]

if I take time piece off, do I keep the re-rolls that I didn't use?

[honest tulip]

yes

I think all 3 fates whim keepsakes persist until you break fates whim

[errant crow]

okay cool thats what I figured

[broken creek]

Yeah they stay

[honest tulip]

Hey how does saluting the statue alter stuff

[unkempt zodiac]

The oath?

[honest tulip]

I really don't want to do a surface run with Old Grudge as my Pom 😭

[unkempt zodiac]

It'll give a full reset of the rng including Jeweled pom

Think of it like intentionally dying and getting a new run

It's the same type of reset

[honest tulip]

I am praying I just got really unlucky and just got it twice in a row then

[unkempt zodiac]

Yeah potentially

[nova oar]

Sometimes you get the same pom start for whatever reason

[honest tulip]

It's old grudge again

[unkempt zodiac]

Just a quirk of rng being rng

Make sure every time you reset the run you salute the oath again

[honest tulip]

I have been

Undo night, then run to the statue, salute, run back in and old grudge 😔

[nova oar]

Yeah it bugs out sometimes, start a run without rerolling

[honest tulip]

old grudge

[nova oar]

Wtf

[unkempt zodiac]

Maybe

Just possibly

Switch off Jeweled pom

And use like athena or smth like that

[honest tulip]

I restarted my game

It's not working

[craggy totem]

True randomness has streaks, just a reminder

[honest tulip]

the boon is also Hera

^ This has been 7 times in a row

[nova oar]

Something bugged

[craggy totem]

Same map?

[honest tulip]

clearly time is not resetting

I'm just going up

I have't fought far with it

at all just resetting

[craggy totem]

Oh, up, nvm. For UW there's a few diff starting rooms but ofc Surface is always the same

I just wanna make double sure, cos you said saluting the statue

You're supposed to be saluting the Oath of the Unseen, and if it's successful you should get a text popup that says Fate Altered

[honest tulip]

I SALUTE THE OATH!?

[craggy totem]

.......

[honest tulip]

I thought I was supposed to salute the State that lets you reset the game timeline

Remenisce n all

[craggy totem]

Salute the Oath of the Unseen to change your Fate prior to setting forth this night, if you wish....

[honest tulip]

I bought them at around the same time I thnk

[craggy totem]

Understandable. But yeah they're two completely unrelated incantations

[honest tulip]

I mean they are both technical gameplay incantations

[nova oar]

😭 😭 😭

[craggy totem]

All incantations are technically about gameplay one way other the other, silly

Anyway, you are free now, go forth and reset

[broken creek]

Don't mess with hades players, we don't read

[honest tulip]

Nah they like

make sense in universe at least

Those to are just meta gameplay jankery

[craggy totem]

Entire subplot about the Fates and Kai's out here sayin it aint in universe ;P

SMDH.... i cri everi tiem....

[tropic ravine]

I just realised

[honest tulip]

feels pretty unrelated to the fates but whatever

[tropic ravine]

Who actually turns on god mode and what does it do

[tropic ravine]

Saluting to the fear statue?

[broken creek]

Idk a couple people that post in victory boasting have it on, its just damage resistance that scales up whenever you die

[tropic ravine]

Ohh I thought it also increases your damage

Tbh not that bad early game

[errant crow]

does anyone here enjoy anubis?

[honest tulip]

it's pretty cool

I did it with Air Quality

[errant crow]

felt a little awkward first time I used it, mighjt just have to get used to it

[sand finch]

I can't help but feel like Scylla's song references Hamilton a little bit

In the "Down, down!" part it reminds me of that part in The Battle of Yorktown

[final saddle]

I CAN ||PET THE DOGGO NOW||

This is truely the best reward for beating the story

[nova oar]

It doesn't

[sand finch]

it really was

[sand finch]

I know, but it's a cool thought

[final saddle]

Oh also I got this cool looking ||pom from Hades and Persephone but I can now pet the doggo!||

[honest tulip]

Me just now:

"200 health? that's enough!"

Has 295 health

That was the WRONG way to round

[nova oar]

Dw it's only the best keepsake in the game

[final saddle]

Big improvement from that person's keepsake from H1

Although I still ran it bc I loved the effect lol
||Zag: "Father!"||
||Hades: "I'm right here boy!"||

Man...

I just failed to block Chronos's overhead

[honest tulip]

||"Father!"||
||"Son!"||

[final saddle]

Stellar run too, was shredding him with Zeus cast +14 and a bunch of cast ups

The price of running Strength I guess

[craggy totem]

Strength gud

[honest tulip]

ok so aspect of artimis

while I'm in the bubble is that a parry?

I've not used this just doing the chaos trial now lol

[nova oar]

Yes

[honest tulip]

OK

wops caps lock

Why is the Aspect of Supay literally the most expensive aspect

What the this is so weird

Why am I a Tower Defence 😭

[nova oar]

😭 😭 😭

[nova oar]

Hades 2 but it's BTD6

[final saddle]

Does Athena cancel Fate's Whim?

[buoyant matrix]

technically you're a tower offense

[nova oar]

Yes

[buoyant matrix]

her keepsake will

[final saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-vanish-gif-20470261

Dang

Gotta change up my usual keepsake combo then while I'm trying to pick these keepsakes up

[nova oar]

Still worth it

[final saddle]

Rn it's been Olympian (now Pom), then Fig, then Athena, then either Bones or Fleece depending on if Fleece is active

I guess...Concave Stone or Chaos boon instead?

Oh wait, this is a great excuse to start leveling up hammer

[broken creek]

Start going jpom -> chrolex -> anything-> pin/antler

Concave is ass, chaos is also pretty buns, fleece and bones also are kinda stinky as r4 when fang antler and pin exist

[final saddle]

Where do I get the other two whim relics?

[broken creek]

My r3 generally looks like e.hammer or gonion, although calling card, silver wheel, sash, athena, and a bunch more have plenty of viability for r3 takes depending on the situation

[final saddle]

I need ||Chronos|| and ||Zag||

[final saddle]

Heracles, Artemis, or Moros last?

[broken creek]

Chrolex you gotta win a run on both routes then run into gramps in the erebus -> oceanus transition till he lets you gift

Then calling card beat zag twice in his thingy

[final saddle]

I run Strength over Death but I also run Judgement so sometimes I just get hit by DD

[broken creek]

Yeah

Moros is amazing safety and a massive damage opening on bosses, antler is the best damage keepsake in the game, and fang is a good damage option if you dont wanna play at 30hp

[final saddle]

Doesn't Moros still kill me in a boss room?

[broken creek]

Ig you play strength so it doesnt apply to you

For death it eats the dd instead so its 10 seconds of invuln for dropping a dd which is an insane damage opening

[final saddle]

What'd you reccomend for a arcana build btw?

[honest tulip]

omg true

[broken creek]

Using omegas or no

[final saddle]

Rn I kinda just run Judgement

[honest tulip]

Also I just beat Zag in chaos trial with Anubis

[broken creek]

Judgment sucks unless its 65f

[final saddle]

Depends on my weapon

[honest tulip]

I literally just planted my circle and ran 😭

[broken creek]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMyIsImM1IiwiYzYiLCJjNyIsImM4IiwiYzEwIiwiYzExIiwiYzEyIiwiYzEzIiwiYzE0IiwiYzE1IiwiYzE3IiwiYzE4Il0=
No omegas

Then with omegas just drop night and huntress for sorceress and eternity

[final saddle]

What's the logistics of Strength v Death btw?

Like, is one just better or are they mostly interchangable?

[broken creek]

Death is always safer and becomes standard in high fear(45+) cuz pain3 and scars3 makes strength super risky

But any lower than 45+ either works it doesnt matter

[honest tulip]

Ok yeah Born gain cannot keep up with Anubis I think

[broken creek]

It can keep up with everything

Like literally everything

[rough lintel]

it can keep up with anything it's so good

[broken creek]

It keeps up with p.array and thats the most mana hungry thing in the game

[rough lintel]

born gain my beloved

[rough lintel]

p.array + fine line too

[limpid oar]

You guys use enough magick on Anubis to need a regen?

[broken creek]

Lmao truuuue

[rough lintel]

dual moon shot + giga moon shot + exceptional talent + fine line?

[limpid oar]

Okay so you're actively trying to run out of magick with all that

[honest tulip]

I'm running out so quickly

[limpid oar]

My 62 Anubis doesn't have an omega on the damage board 🔥

[honest tulip]

heck yeah replaced it with glamor gain

[broken creek]

Thats like 10x worse

[rough lintel]

omega is great wdyn

that's the best thing about anubis

[honest tulip]

I literally ran out of my mana during scylla and just had to watch as scylla took like 40 damage each time individually barely ticking down as I had no mana

[limpid oar]

No, the attack field is the best thing about Anubis

[nova oar]

I play only ospecial anubis

[limpid oar]

Speedrun brainrot, try pulling fangs 2 pain 3 hordes 3 packs of enemies into yourself with ospec 😭

[broken creek]

How little base mana do you have

[honest tulip]

Wait Discordant Bell doesn't go away?!?!?!

wth!

[limpid oar]

It used to but they changed that during EA

[honest tulip]

I think I had about 100 - 120 at the time I have 161 now

[honest tulip]

I'm stuck with this 😭

Chaos Whyyyyyy

It's level 4

It's freaking upgraded

[limpid oar]

That's so cool

You actually made bell deal damage

[nova oar]

Fr tho for my 55f anubis I did mostly normal attack with a lil bit of oattack and special

[broken creek]

How wasteful were you being 😭 like what's the build too theres no way

Unless its grit3 rivals scylla how did you prime out

[honest tulip]

I was just spamming Omega Special on them idk

I mean I killed Jetty and Roxy in like... seconds

Scylla survived and took another minute and a half

[honest tulip]

I'm doing the chaos run my build is held together with duct tape and elmers glue

[limpid oar]

How about Charybdis

[honest tulip]

this is no fear chaos

Chaos after I killed Cronos:

You may go no further; that is part of the trial

[final saddle]

How should I use ||Chronos's keepsake|| anyway?

[honest tulip]

turn ash and bones to $ $ $

[final saddle]

Ah crap ||pact of punishment|| in the shop

Ah crap

[nova oar]

2nd region, purge anything you don't want, always purge hexes

[final saddle]

I'm screwed aren't I

I wasn't scared of Charon but I'm scared of this one lol

[broken creek]

If ur using a no mana weapon focus on purging mana pots, selene, and chaos since its a lot of money

If you pull a light of ixion or dont have scars3 you can always take a r2 chaos for 500 gold and a free room

It gives you enough money for normal runs to buy out every shop and for debt2 it gives enough to buy something every shop

[final saddle]

Ow

I lost 3 DDs

Ow ||Zag|| hits thrice as hard as his predecesor

[limpid oar]

actually I'm curious, do you guys || Chrolex || when you already have enough money for Oceanus midshop? or do you click other keepsakes if that's the case

[broken creek]

I brain off chrolex cuz no chrolex means youll run out pretty quick

[final saddle]

I think I'm gonna start going to midshops myself soon

[broken creek]

Kinda hard to leave erebus with much as is especially without boatman

[final saddle]

Gotta learn that fight...what does it give me btw?

Just a random small reward or is it also a discount for the run like H1?

[broken creek]

Every shop will give something extra free

[final saddle]

Oh nice

Dunno if that's super worth a few DDs every run but cool

I gotta beat him again anyway right?

[broken creek]

He has like 3 moves hes a joke fight once you remember hes just h1 hades spin timing

[broken creek]

Yeah for calling card

You also end up like never taking him after a certain point especially in high fear because his reward isnt as strong as it sounds for the time sink and risk of 1 mistake killing you

[final saddle]

Idk how much I'm gonna take him anyway lol

I got hit exactly 4 times that fight and walked out 3 DDs ligther

[limpid oar]

without Boatman? what's your arcana setup, I can def fit both Orig and Boatman in

and depending on rng I have at times left Erebus with 300+ gold

o wait no you are speaking about 67 nvm, I forgot some people actually play that

[broken creek]

Its me being too 67 brainwashed yeah lol

[errant crow]

so @broken creek i knwo ur circe one trick but you dont omega whewn you shiva? or only not at 67f

like would you be omega'ing at lower?

[broken creek]

I just dont play shiva

[errant crow]

haha okay

[broken creek]

But its base moveset is plenty strong to ignore the omegas

[errant crow]

I just had to do a surface win with black coat and figured it was easiest one to do it on

was only gonna do like 24f

[broken creek]

I do think its important for me to specify that no omega Shiva is like pairs in balatro

Using omegas isnt bad or worse off, just no omegas is wayyyy more consistent and reliable to get going

[final saddle]

Via a gift from Echo I can say that Sea Star +18 has 100% activate rate

[errant crow]

ahh that's a good comparisno

just got back into balatro recently actually

[nova oar]

Balatro mentioned

[wise wave]

And Static shock or wave strike is sth like photochad

[broken creek]

Blitz + hitch is photochad

[nova oar]

Kings ransom is baron

[wise wave]

Double strike is mime

[final saddle]

What does reminiscing do exactly?

I know it reverts story progress…but like…how much? Do I lose my keepsakes?

[glacial light]

Just after you did your incantations for ||perma killing chronos or typhoon (I dont remember which)||

[nova oar]

You don't lose keepsakes or upgrades or anything, just resources for the story process

[limpid oar]

if not for Selene it would be the worst coat, do yourself a favour and play Mel/Nyx

[errant crow]

oh really? Nyx felt strong but it was a little annoying constantly having to get the buff up

I thought people thought more highly of shiva

[limpid oar]

you don't have to have it up 100% of the time, just the fact that you can do the high damage omega sprint and get the buff whenever you do need it makes the aspect good

also it's a great way to proc huntress given how bad the coat omegas are

[errant crow]

ahhhh I see okay

which do you like more between mel and nyx personally?

[limpid oar]

oh, I adore Nyx

[errant crow]

I have it ranked up all the way anyway so I'll try that again

was gonna jpom but what are you looking for in general?

[limpid oar]

shimmering rockets

[errant crow]

poseidon/zeus since ith its so much kinda thing?

or hestia etc

[limpid oar]

probably on-hit effect on special unless I get blitz attack and shimmering in which case I may take Hera special for clear

[nova oar]

Shiva my beloved

[limpid oar]

also it may seem like a combo at first but I'd advise against clicking Poseidon dash, it makes omega boost annoying to activate imo

[errant crow]

you gonna let him bad mouth your girl? @nova oar xd

[errant crow]

okay sounds good

you run night?

[nova oar]

I agree with him

I just love playing the aspect

[limpid oar]

not with Nyx, boost is the only omega I use

[limpid oar]

I would like it if if they gave it a better dash-attack

[nova oar]

So true

They make it feel better in every way but the most important part

[errant crow]

how do people rate supay?

in general

that's the only one I haven't tried outside of nergal since I haven't had the resources to unlock nergal yet

[nova oar]

It's pretty strong

[limpid oar]

annyoing start at high fear, but actually enjoyable to play if you get past early game and can snowball pretty hard

[nova oar]

Makes low fear really really easy

[errant crow]

is that a simlar kinda story with going for scorch/blitz etc?

somethin like this then for nyx? https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzMiLCJjNiIsImM3IiwiYzgiLCJjMTEiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTciLCJjMTgiLCJjMjMiLCJjMjQiXQ==

[nova oar]

Yep

[errant crow]

it'd be cool if we could name the deck loadouts

[abstract aspen]

oh thanks

[errant crow]

just a minor thing but it'd help me

[dusty topaz]

I personally find Supay a bit frustrating because it feels like playing an auto-battler with little agency. 😅

[abstract aspen]

It feels weird

[errant crow]

I died the first time I used nyx on chronos when I was standing in one of the safe zones of the concentric gold one shot circles bc I threw out a cheeky attack and forgot that it shot me forward lmao

[abstract aspen]

I love jeweled pom

[errant crow]

turning on rivals for the first time and going to fight polyphemus made me question my life playing video games

it was not an impressive showing

[abstract aspen]

I just feel sad that I did "reminescence" before seeing the 3 fates but I feel like my games is a little bit faster with npcs now because after the first ending all the interaction felt kind of slow I don't know if I'm the only one who feels like that

[errant crow]

@limpid oar what familiar you like for nyx if not high fear?

[nova oar]

He would say raki

[abstract aspen]

there are other familiar than froggy ?

[errant crow]

I haven't gotten to use birb much anyway honestly after it took me forever to get

[nova oar]

There are 5

[abstract aspen]

where are they ? they fear me

[nova oar]

Gale and raki are the best 2

[errant crow]

I assume at high fear you want to use gale a lot more?

[broken creek]

Yeah gale becomes standard

3 blocks a region and 6% dodge saves so many hits

Especially if you can play hitless till the boss

[nova oar]

Raki is in the erebus fountain room, toula is just outside ephrya before the first thessaly room, hecuba is in echo's room, and gale is in the olympus store before prom

[errant crow]

yeah I can see that for sure

[nova oar]

Gale took so many hits from the bosses in my 62

[errant crow]

now how do I not get wrecked by rivals

I'm ass

[broken creek]

Lock tf in and learn

[errant crow]

yes sah

[nova oar]

Basically

[broken creek]

Hecate is scripted if you have the damage and sheep ball dodge is key

Scylla you need to learn proper targeting and when to back in/off on top of amazing awareness

Cerb is a joke hes fine

[errant crow]

I didn't even realize there were sheep balls 😭

[broken creek]

Poly just dont be dumb when medea is on screen, Eris is free asf, prom is being patient mostly, learning the dodge timing for the memory flames is nice and kiting heraclese around is pretty easy

Then for gramps you gotta just play and respect everything he does, learning how to properly dodge scythe throw is cool asf

[errant crow]

which did you struggle with the most while you were just getting into them?

just out of curiousity

[broken creek]

Scylla and gramps

[nova oar]

Same

[broken creek]

Theyre the 2 hardest in the game

Gramps im insane and learned on void4 antler

Scylla shes 2nd in the run so throwing yourself at her and just experimenting is fine but generally the idea is bait scylla away then make room from killing tentacles

[errant crow]

I still haven't tried antler seriously but I at least leveled it up lmao

[hardy panther]

can i bind 1 action to 2 buttons?

[nova oar]

No

[tropic ravine]

If your on pc there’s a mod called pony menu where you can practice bosses, got my confidence up

[errant crow]

oh really?

[tropic ravine]

Yes

Except for typhon

[errant crow]

awesaome thanks for the tip, gonna try to check that out

do you need a mod loader or anything or is it standalone?

[tropic ravine]

I reccomend you check out the modding server but it’s just r2modman (launcher) and it installs everything else when installing ponymenu

Don’t use nexus

(Thunderstore and r2modman are similar)

[errant crow]

oh I actually already installed r2modman, just hadn't gotten anything on it yet

[broken creek]

You can do that or learn the chaos trial editing stuff

Speedcord has the walk through, its all through the crossroads website

[abstract aspen]

never met them is it after credit ?

[errant crow]

I think bridal glow when I only have 2 mods that can be affected has like a 4% track record of winning the 50/50 that I want

[buoyant matrix]

it do be like that

[sacred nova]

the best game ever

[abstract aspen]

wait

[sacred nova]

[abstract aspen]

I just discovered that if you equip jeweled pom and then don't equip olympian it stays with you ???

[errant crow]

yeah

[abstract aspen]

oh man

I just equiped athena's

[errant crow]

oops

[abstract aspen]

why am I dumb

[broken creek]

Every fates whim keepsake does

[abstract aspen]

fates whim keepsake ?

how do I know if one is fate whim ?

[buoyant matrix]

mentioned in the keepsake description

it's just the last three ones though

[nova oar]

You can get them all before credits

[abstract aspen]

oh gotta farm them all like pokemons

[errant crow]

i cant decide what to use after jpom - chrolex

[abstract aspen]

I don't have chrolex where can I get it ?

[errant crow]

did you roll credits?

[nova oar]

Post credits

[abstract aspen]

damn

[abstract aspen]

I'm in the past now gotta redo it

[nova oar]

I tend to take hammer, ghost onion, droplet, or athena

[nova oar]

Chrolex is the watch

[abstract aspen]

the watch ? didn't get it at my first attempt

[errant crow]

it's post credits

[nova oar]

Did you get all 3 post credit keepsakes

[abstract aspen]

in my keepsake it's like jeweled pom / none / none / embryo

[nova oar]

Yeah ok you're missing two post credit keepsakes

[errant crow]

you ever run chaos keepsake at all luth?

[nova oar]

Nah

[abstract aspen]

I used chaos once because he wanted to

[errant crow]

man I was looking for shimmering rockets everywhere and then finally moused over it in the list and realized it needs to be shiva

oops

[abstract aspen]

the leaf that let you free from 1 encounter

[slim pike]

needs to be not shiva

unless you're talking about elephant rockets

[nova oar]

Take that second region for speedruns or not at all

[abstract aspen]

apart from jeweled pom, echo's, fountains and onion there is no other good keepsake (there is this watch you mentioned)

[errant crow]

oh

im ngl this nyx run is bad

[nova oar]

Echo keepsake is really bad, aromatic phial is also a really bad takes in most situations

[abstract aspen]

oh I knew I wasn't sane

[nova oar]

Wrong link

[abstract aspen]

good tierlist

[nova oar]

https://imgur.com/a/cZbykqA

This is my keepsake one

[timid vigil]

Hammer, droplet

[abstract aspen]

athena's one is devil

[nova oar]

Huh?

[abstract aspen]

only 30hp

I die

[timid vigil]

That is artemis

[nova oar]

That's Artemis

[abstract aspen]

my bad

[wide wigeon]

you ever summoned athena to oceanus?

[abstract aspen]

yes

she was like : urgh

[errant crow]

is hel not great?

and how much does supay level matter?

[nova oar]

Supay level matters not, hel is good as long as you get one of three specific boons

[errant crow]

what would those be?

[broken creek]

Pos/hestia attack, static shock, blitz/hitch special

Its a very strict weapon for high fear

[real scarab]

blitz/heph attacks, and Demeter special are also very good with it

not that hard to build really

[broken creek]

And generally with hel you skip Ospec entirely cuz autofire is fine

[errant crow]

oh okay cool I'll try that later too

[abstract aspen]

okay I just did a 12 fear run

it was not ok

[buoyant matrix]

??? deviously wrong info

[broken creek]

Try playing it above 62 twin 🥀

[nova oar]

Real

[broken creek]

No sorceress no eternity, no way in hel youre getting that Ospec off

[nova oar]

What vows?

[buoyant matrix]

anything above 62 is not a real number anyway

[broken creek]

Plus isnt it a like 45 mana req?? Even with persistence thats like half of it uts so hungry

[buoyant matrix]

50

[broken creek]

Playing autofire is just wayyyy more consistent since you only need 1 boon instead of 3

[broken creek]

Oh even worse

[abstract aspen]

time 2 / hubris 2 / menace 2 / debt 1 / frenzy 1
it was a little limit for me and I don't know what to add to have more fear without restricting my gameplay

[broken creek]

Yeah thats a fine fear setup

[buoyant matrix]

frenzy2

[broken creek]

Are you aiming for 16/12?? Or the 32/24 statue

[buoyant matrix]

frenzy1 is fake fear

[abstract aspen]

not for the statue, I did the 12fear underworld, olympus too hard for me
https://imgur.com/a/fjUmbds
here is the fear depending on my weapons, you can see my preferences

skull / axe / dagger don't feel right for me

but I discovered charon's axe which is great, the only problem here is that the fear requiere to go on olympus and I know I can't with those

[nova oar]

Just do timer 3 frenzy 2 for 12f

[abstract aspen]

I'll try on my next 12 fear run

[errant crow]

dude it's impossible for me to recognize the statues you can power up to help on the surface lmao

I don't notice them til after the room is clear every single time

[abstract aspen]

I'm running a 12fear run, just met circe and she removed time3 this run is now free

[fresh wind]

I dont know if ive ever taken the Circe boon that removes a Vow lol

Well I guess I have bc I have the prophecy but after that I would certainly never pick it, I assume itd just hit the time one every time lol

[fresh wind]

Shadow is a good one to add too

You take a bit more damage in those fights but it doesnt feel like any of them change your actual approach

[abstract aspen]

I used it once and it killed me

[fresh wind]

And at least one of them just becomes easier imo (shadow spinner)

[abstract aspen]

starting my first 16fear run wish me luck

[nova oar]

She always does it to me I hate it

[abstract aspen]

Why hating it, it's cool

[still mantle]

Wait, if you de equip jpom but just dont equip an olympian keepsake, does the effect stay?

cool

[jolly hound]

because once you get used to frenzy 2, time 3 becomes basically irrelevant

[still mantle]

even the levels on future boons?

[abstract aspen]

And if she erase frenzy2, does it affect my run badly ?

[abstract aspen]

Yes jpom the best

[still mantle]

hmmm

[abstract aspen]

Thanks to it I did a 12fear run

Lvl4 on everything is game changer

[still mantle]

So i equip jpom, then chrolex, then.... like fig leaf.... then lion fang.......?

[still mantle]

kinda funny that basically what it's doing is giving you a power boost but significantly weakening your poms

[abstract aspen]

Why weaken ?

[fresh wind]

Diminishing returns

[still mantle]

because most boons have diminishing returns with more lv

[fresh wind]

Poms mean way less going from say lv5-6 than lv1-2

[still mantle]

*poseidon waves nonwithstanding

[abstract aspen]

But its higher than lvl1

[fresh wind]

Fig leaf then chrolex

[still mantle]

exactly

[fresh wind]

Chrolex is way better in fields than act 2 (blanking on the name)

And you can get 3 free fights with fig instead of 2

[still mantle]

so you get a power boost, but any poms you get are less meaningful

[still mantle]

"act 2"😭

crazy work

[abstract aspen]

Doesn't care don't use pom

[fresh wind]

I have 2.5k slay the Spire hrs so I just call them acts

Ill be honest for how much of I play/enjoy this game I couldn't care less about lore or names or things

[jolly hound]

Nah, by then you’ll be used to frenzy 2 going fast and prob be fine

[still mantle]

Im not shaming jpom

[abstract aspen]

Olympus so hard for me I only do it with staff or blackcoat

[still mantle]

Im just spitting facts

[still mantle]

Coat😭

[jolly hound]

Correct, feed poms to Chrolex

[still mantle]

COAT 😭

[abstract aspen]

Sorry I was talking for myself during my runs

[still mantle]

COAT😭

[abstract aspen]

Yeah melinoe's coat second Best after circe staff

[still mantle]

Not even Shiva coat😭 😭 😭

[abstract aspen]

Dont know who it is

That dash-strike on coat is goat

[jolly hound]

Quick note on fates whim, if you

1. Have heph in god pool
2. Are missing an attack/special boon coming out of zone 1

Zag calling card becomes really good cause you can get a heroic level 4 heph attack/special which is 2/3 seconds respectively

[still mantle]

Get all coat aspects, one to level five, then shake selene down for the waking phrase

This is the aspect that made me like coat.

[abstract aspen]

Maaaaan poverty got me

[still mantle]

The level five one csn be melinoe

Just get the other two

[abstract aspen]

Oh I have this

[abstract aspen]

I'll do it this night

[jolly hound]

It can’t be Mel aspects

[abstract aspen]

Oh

[still mantle]

It cant?

[still mantle]

Surely you have 5 nightmare to spare?

[abstract aspen]

[still mantle]

WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN SPENDING IT ON

[abstract aspen]

Used them all to upgrade lvl5 some weapons I don't use

[still mantle]

Didn't you say you cleared 12 fear

[abstract aspen]

I have a really bad gestions of ressources on videogames

[still mantle]

Have you been using you bones to get nightmare from the broker????

Have you been spending your obol points??????

[abstract aspen]

Nah for alcool and the White stuff

[abstract aspen]

What is obol ?

[still mantle]

The things you get every 1000 gold you spend

Next to the broker there's a box

Where you can order stuff

[abstract aspen]

Used them for fabric and psyche
Now i have so much psyche

[jolly hound]

It can’t

[still mantle]

You. Suck at resource management

[still mantle]

Huh

Ok

[abstract aspen]

I had to buy those at the time

[still mantle]

Welp ill get back to berating @abstract aspen for not being good at existing

[jolly hound]

no need for that

[abstract aspen]

[jolly hound]

once grasp is maxed, move on

[abstract aspen]

I can breath you know

[abstract aspen]

Yeah I did

Just now I'm buying all White stuff

[jolly hound]

those Charon loyalty cards come much faster once you get Chrolex also

I’m sitting on like 200 of them

[abstract aspen]

Don't have it, gotta redo the ending to talk and have it

[jolly hound]

do that then

[abstract aspen]

Yes sir

[jolly hound]

and nightmare will come, if you just did your first 12, there’s way more to go in the oath, you’ll get the thing that leaves drops of nightmare and chaos stardust around Tartarus/summit eventually, once you hit 16 on the oath I think it’ll give you two nightmare for 16 and 20. Just be patient

[errant crow]

training my brain to not constantly attack with anubis is difficult

[jolly hound]

special where you would attack. But yeah it’s an adjustment

[errant crow]

yeah I'm realizing that, still tricky at first to internalize it, also specialing when I don't want them to come towards me etc

[jolly hound]

it takes longer for Anubis to get warmed up than most weapons unless you get a room 1 Poseidon attack

if you are doing surface and find Dionysus, take grape juice, it applies to the entire duration of the attack circle and will pretty much win the run on its own

once that circle disappears there’s another juice ready to go

[still mantle]

Wait a minute...

What happens if I use chrolex during family dispute xD

[buoyant matrix]

nothing special, it'll act as if you took the boon

[still mantle]

Yeah i just tried it...

If i rank up chrolex, does the effect refresh?

[wide wigeon]

whats the wr for underworld

sub 4 minutes?

[still mantle]

Like 3:54

[buoyant matrix]

yep, cherished heirloom my beloved 🫀

[still mantle]

Lol I have it at level 1 close to 2 cuz i just got it

Ol grandpa says "just make more money" then it actually works

Welp, i just activated rallying cry AND tall order

[wide wigeon]

dude does steady growth affect hubris vow?

[still mantle]

I dont think so

[sharp current]

is there an ''easy'' 32 vows that i should choose?

[crude dragon]

Rarifies don't prime you, no

[still mantle]

DAMMIT

A WHOLE SUMMIT, WITH RAKI, AMD NO DAMN S SCALES

[craggy totem]

Depends on you. What's easy for one person is hard for the other. I did my 32Fs with no Rivals, for example, because I found them more difficult than taking extra self-nerfing vows.

[still mantle]

I hate my life

[sharp current]

thank you sir, what you said made me pick whatever i think is easy and i actually did it first try

[craggy totem]

Love to hear that. Congratulations!

[abstract aspen]

don't hate you because it's bad for you selflove

I don't know who said to me that omega-special is huge with staff but thanks I've adapted my gameplay and it's a little easier

[brave gate]

Yeah it’s great. The only staff I don’t really use it on is Circe

[jolly hound]

No, it’s only when you take a boon

[brave gate]

One time I got heroic steady growth in Erebus 😩

I’m gonna take a break from pushing fear and instead and gonna go for 32 fear wins on each aspect

[jolly hound]

you’ll get bored near the end of it haha