h2-discussion

[real scarab]

but maybe you can do omega cast into omega special ye

[hardy panther]

i heard that o cast just doesnt count

[real scarab]

it counts afaik let me check in game

[broken creek]

Even then iirc its super inefficient to play around night on charon unless im crazy

Cuz you now just became more mana hungry and are gonna take more time to do things just for a bit of crit chance

[real scarab]

omega cast works but it's still super slow compared to regular charon play

[hardy panther]

ah fair

[red fox]

Ocast count, but ocast trigger by ospecial doesn't count

[broken creek]

And you wont be able to get double cast stuff off with the double ospec hammer and whatnot

[hardy panther]

ahhh ok

also what do u rebind on charon axe

its abit hard to dash while channeling special on controller

[gusty maple]

Night should really get a rebalance or rework but atm I feel like it's absolutely never useful

[rough lintel]

shiva

[real scarab]

eos

[tropic ravine]

Does omega cast just do damage at the end?

[slim pike]

On it's own, yes

150 power kaboom

[silver topaz]

is there a way i can remove ares from the game i dont want his boons

[rough lintel]

he has the best boon in the game

[silver topaz]

which. and tbh i dont like him he just sucks

[rough lintel]

wdym

[rough lintel]

heinous afront

his wound boon is great

his attack is insanly good with heavy hitting aspects like artemis

[nova oar]

Heavy hitting and artemis should not bew in the same sentence

He loses out to apollo and hera by alot

[nova oar]

He has the best duo

Not the best boon, that's heaven flourish

[nova oar]

He's decent

Gets better with fates whim

[red fox]

Never go surface

If you never meet surface last boss he won't appear

[nova oar]

And even then, heinous affront is only good with light smite, ares contributes nothing in terms of damage

[wise wave]

Maybe wound is better with sweeping or weed killer i guess

[nova oar]

Still worse

[wise wave]

I could deal 1k dam per hit with wound, not so bad. Btw I miss his old gain boon, not a plasma enjoyer.

[nova oar]

1k damage for one hit, then nothing for 3 seconds

[hardy panther]

what do i replace Huntress with when running charon

[real scarab]

artificer or eternity for huntress + some 1 value Arcana

[real scarab]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImM0IiwiYzUiLCJjNiIsImM3IiwiYzgiLCJjMTEiLCJjMTIiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTciLCJjMTgiLCJjMjQiXQ==

you can swap wayward son with messenger

[hardy panther]

also is it possible to bind 1 action to 2 buttons

[wide wigeon]

what triggers eris showing up on night 1 dude ion want her here

[humble urchin]

entering a new biome with over 50% health. you can avoid her by leaving each boss fight at 30% health or less (since fountains heal for 20%)

[wide wigeon]

they punishing me for being too good 🥀

icl its kinda hard to get deliberately hit

[humble urchin]

then you take on the eris curse and don’t get hit for the remainder of the run

[limpid oar]

Eternity + drop a 1-cost (which 1-cost is best to drop depends on fear, at high fear wayward son is a no-brainer)

[abstract aspen]

so the melinoe help us has transformed into melinoe seek us
can I go into "reminescence ?" now ?

nevermind I did the reminescence thing and now melinoe help us has returned in the fates, is this normal ?

[nova oar]

You reset the ending

[humble urchin]

yep, you reset as if you haven’t cleared either final boss. you’ll have to get the clears and do the incantations to get the ending again before it switches back

[abstract aspen]

before it switches back ?

[abstract aspen]

I don't even know how I located those 3 fates

[humble urchin]

yes, melinoe seek us is the next step after melinoe find us. but since you reset the ending, it went back to the original step

because you can’t find the fates (epilogue) before getting the true ending

[abstract aspen]

ok thanks

[nova oar]

You haven't

[hollow jetty]

is achivement ||death to chronos|| received after getting the true ending of the game?

[nova oar]

Yea

[long dune]

hello someone tried to scam me in my dms (he contacted me from supergiant's server) so care about you !!

@ arur8

[limpid oar]

I'd probably message modmail about that

(if you haven't already)

[abstract aspen]

so I cooked myself by going back in time I see

[hollow crest]

gang i need help >>

i have to do typhon rivals. if i remove it with Circe does it still count??

https://imgur.com/a/qxP8XXv

[craggy totem]

It's not possible to remove Rivals with Banishment

It just will not hit that vow ever

(Other note: it is possible for Banishment to hit Void, but this will not give you any extra arcana, so it's basically a wasted pick)

[jolly hound]

12 percent dodge chance is a way better take there

[hollow crest]

i took the 3rd option, since 10% chance to dodge

[cunning laurel]

both good but 6% movespeed is more value than 4% dodge

[jolly hound]

actually yeah that was the right call my bad

[hollow crest]

nah its all good

also, ANY TIPS FOR RIVALS TYPHON??? im gonna fight him the 2nd time now

im watching 67 heat run, it's crazy difficult

[craggy totem]

To be fair, 67F has a lot of stuff going on that isn't just the fight lol

Are you doing Rivals 4 on its own or are you doing it with other vows included?

[hollow crest]

RAAAAAAAAAAAAA NEVER MIND I BEAT HIM

ok he turned me small i had to, well yk, NOW BEAT HIM FOR REAL

https://imgur.com/a/VsQUU5m

pan aspect first ever clear. never used a Omove lmao

[cunning laurel]

wasn't even close 💪

[hollow crest]

I DID IT WITH JUDGMENT KEEP IN MIND GANG

[limpid oar]

What is an omega

[craggy totem]

Well, in the history of fanfiction,

[jolly hound]

damn you kicked his ass! based on this you are ready for 32 fear and strength

[hollow crest]

i've already done it

[jolly hound]

45 then

[hollow crest]

i just took SOO long to even try rivals 3. im 350 hrs in lol

[jolly hound]

Hordes 3 frenzy 2

[craggy totem]

Why 45

[hollow crest]

100-150 are afk tho

[jolly hound]

why not? Dream big

[hollow crest]

the only things im afraid of are Void, rivals 4, and Grit

also onion and Hubris, I HATE THAT!!

i have no mana. but i'll just play Circe/Medea

[cunning laurel]

yup void is last

[craggy totem]

I just mean, why that specific number

[hollow crest]

also Scars 3 is like the worst no? 0 heal

[craggy totem]

There are things that ignore Scars

And also DDs don't care about it

[cunning laurel]

kinda rough but not bad at all

[hollow crest]

yeah ikr, idk which tho

[craggy totem]

The main ones to remember are Life Tax and Ghost Onion (IMO)

[jolly hound]

cause that’s my career high

[jolly hound]

if you have a mana intensive weapon, go Hecuba and you’re fine (and if you’re running Zeus, plan for the possibility of static shock’s 50 mana primed)

[craggy totem]

Hades 2 pros: "Born Gain is fine you'll never prime out"
Hubris 2 Static Shock:

[median plinth]

The last option is +10% move speed 10% dodge, the second option is 6% to both. Am I missing something?

[craggy totem]

I don't think you are?

Maybe andrw was thinking about Raki's numbers

[cunning laurel]

oh i just forgot last option gives move speed

[craggy totem]

It's the 4% that I'm confused about

Where u got 4

Is the calculation more complicated than it looks or

[cunning laurel]

if it was just dodge itd be 4% more dodge than 2

[craggy totem]

OH, okay

[timid vigil]

also smol mel is cute

so its the correct answer here always

[still mantle]

Rolled credits

Song is absolute peak

[still mantle]

Is warm breeze decent?

Or should I reroll

[craggy totem]

I never take it, but it's not, like, actively bad

[broken creek]

Its kinda whatever

[still mantle]

I might try to take controlled burn

But I need to reroll for it

So is it worth it?

[broken creek]

If you arent playing with denial no reason not to

What's the full boon choice

[still mantle]

Rare hot pot, warm breeze, and epic snuffed candle, om wondering whether or not its worth it to reroll

And try to get controlled burn

[broken creek]

I take hot pot there

Snuffed is good but its not active like 90% of the time, warm breeze is whatever, and hot pot is great defensively

[still mantle]

Ok

[craggy totem]

If you're trying to go fast, is there a better argument for Hot Pot for always-on facetanking or Snuffed Candle for (obviously) the rare bossfight speedups?

[broken creek]

Iirc its like only active on cerb and chronos sometimes

[craggy totem]

*on average, that is

Wouldn't it hit almost all of the non-Rivals surface bosses?

[broken creek]

Probably yeah

[craggy totem]

...wait now that I mention it. If you defeat one of the Rivals Prom dudes, and he's in his little "I'm defeated" pose, does he still count against Snuffed Candle D:

[broken creek]

Yeah

Medea in prom, hecate clones, scylla is self explanatory, chronos ads, and one of em in prom all count against it iirc

So the only boss you get any half decent uptime against assuming rivals is cerb and eris and kinda gramps

[craggy totem]

He shouldn't count if he's been defeated 😭

Rude, game 😭

i guess the remaining guy takes a morale boost from his bf lol

[still mantle]

Crap, still dont have dual moonshot

[timid vigil]

I could be wrong but I think aetos might disable it

Considering medea does on rivals poly

And a bunch of random stupid stuff

[still mantle]

Guess i gotta hope the anvil is kind to me........

[craggy totem]

AETOS???? Wow. Okay. I can't decide whether that's better or worse than the defeated guy disabling it.

[broken creek]

Ohh truuue

[still mantle]

Wow the game really wants me to have warm breeze

I guess ill take it...

DAMMIT HESTIA

YOU HAD ONE JOB

AND YOU DIDNT DO IT

[timid vigil]

I wouldn't be surprised if the sheep on non-rivals poly also disabled it

[still mantle]

I literally went into this run trying to do a controlled burn build

And I didn't get controlled burn

[timid vigil]

With the ares duo?

[still mantle]

Mostly just special nuking but yeah

DAMMIT

I CANT SEE TYPHONS HEALTHBAR BUT I WAS IN LAST PHASE

How do i get hel skull?

[craggy totem]

Same way as the other hiddens

If you're confused between the two characters, ask yourself which one has been in the whole game

[still mantle]

Oh right medea

Man can tgis game stop giving me grave thirst on the same weapons over and over

[wide wigeon]

any tips for rival typhon?

[still mantle]

I'm still at the point where it's actually useful😭

[wide wigeon]

what's grave thirst

[still mantle]

The thing that gives you more bones

[wide wigeon]

ah I see

[still mantle]

On a specific weapon

[limpid oar]

play underworld instead

[broken creek]

hes basically just base typhon with gramps there so just pay attention to gramps more than typhon, you can still force him into the projectile -> slam loop super easy and uhh the toungue slam has a blindspot at the far right of the arena

[still mantle]

The extra fear isn't worth it

[wide wigeon]

😭

too late im already at the summit

[still mantle]

Well what's your build?

[timid vigil]

It's worth it cause the boss fight is cool

Also he's easier than rivals chronos imo

[broken creek]

also the splitting eye bomb you can go from the bottom of the arena, then dash and sprint up to the top when its getting to you

[still mantle]

Kinda depends what fear their playing on

[wide wigeon]

rival gramps had me rolling lmao 1000 dmg from the old man

[wide wigeon]

melinoe flames freeze attack and wave special

[still mantle]

Melinoe flames😭

[wide wigeon]

alright if I beat him rn what do i get

[still mantle]

Glory

[limpid oar]

I'll remove my sobbing reaction if you win this run

[still mantle]

So will i

[timid vigil]

i mean... as long as you can somehow activate origination it's not that bad

[broken creek]

damn havent played in a week and i die to p3 chronos on a practice 62 since he checkmated me 🥀

like what am i supposed to do when you time slow me, theres the hand ads, and the arena wide wave is right there

[limpid oar]

you can pray

[broken creek]

like even on 62 where i have messenger its just not enough 😭

[still mantle]

Did you win?

[broken creek]

bro took 15 minutes on rivals gramps typhon is boutta be 30 twin

[wide wigeon]

I got daze sprint dude ive been doing orig on everyone

this is how I win

[limpid oar]

are your hammers good at least

[wide wigeon]

ONG dude im a slow player like that

30minutes and im right now going into typhon

[wide wigeon]

+1 special projectile and the split attack is that good

[still mantle]

Brotato got no decent attack hammers 😭

[abstract aspen]

what's a good build on the axe ? I have melinoe V but I feel so slow with it it's awful

[broken creek]

the special one is goated at least

[broken creek]

it feels bad cuz you gotta play it ignoring the normal attack sequence lol, basically you do dash attack -> special repeat

[timid vigil]

If you want to play axe but fast it's thanatos

[still mantle]

CHARON

HOP ON THE TRAIN

[broken creek]

its also a very hammer dependant weapon, dashing heave, seething marauder, psychic whirwind all completely change the weapon

[abstract aspen]

I have it II but I keep getting bullied so the effect fade away

[still mantle]

CHARON

[timid vigil]

The mortality buff is more of a neat extra

[abstract aspen]

Don't have the budget for it

[timid vigil]

You can just play attack focused Thanatos and enjoy the attack speed

Just gotta have it ranked up

[still mantle]

Get the budget

Spend 3000 gold

[abstract aspen]

[still mantle]

Surely its not that hard

[abstract aspen]

poverty have in in its palm

[still mantle]

You should be getting at least one obol point a run

[abstract aspen]

I have to upgrade my arcana

[still mantle]

Are you using death defiances

[abstract aspen]

Yes

[still mantle]

USE STRENGTH

[abstract aspen]

No

[still mantle]

Ditch defiance

[still mantle]

Did you win?

[abstract aspen]

[still mantle]

Strength gives you more bang for your buck if your poor in moondust

[abstract aspen]

but strenght make me loose early

[still mantle]

Dont tell me you already spent all your moondust on death....

[broken creek]

death is fine

its safer than strength literally all the time, only reason you take strength is when youre comfy enough with the game

[abstract aspen]

[still mantle]

What fear are you playing on?

[abstract aspen]

Thanks plum

[abstract aspen]

none, I'm scared of the dark

[still mantle]

Am I the only one who replaced death with strength the moment I got it?

[wide wigeon]

yes

[broken creek]

no but one over the other kinda is preference until 45+ fear

i used death the whole game and now i use strength only for 67 practice

[wide wigeon]

do it dude im goated

[broken creek]

it genuinley doesnt matter which you use

[still mantle]

@limpid oar

[median plinth]

I tried strength a few times but kept dying to bosses and missed the ability to rebuy dds

[still mantle]

@limpid oar

[jolly hound]

Death gives you more wiggle room with antler but strength just does work

[buoyant matrix]

i remember switching to strength for more early damage on one of the weaker aspects and then just got used to it lol

[still mantle]

I dont understand how people live with antler

[wide wigeon]

i was so tempted to use antler for the summit im glad i didnt

[still mantle]

You would be insane if you did

[wide wigeon]

antler is so goated

[abstract aspen]

what's antler ?

[still mantle]

Ok but melinoe torches???

[wide wigeon]

artemis keepsake

[still mantle]

30% crit chance 30 hp

[buoyant matrix]

just... don't get hit?...

[wide wigeon]

yeah? you doubted me with rival typhon what happened

[abstract aspen]

how in the tartarus are you willing to use it ?

[limpid oar]

i wasnt looking at discord mb

[wide wigeon]

its goated some dude in the server opened my eyes to its absolute devastation

[still mantle]

I doubted the torches

[broken creek]

everything dies in 2 seconds

[still mantle]

Ok but if you do you just die to most things

[still mantle]

Including you

[buoyant matrix]

alternatively you can stack a ton of defensive utility, death arcana isn't your only survivability

[broken creek]

things will die before they can hit you

[still mantle]

I dont use death

[broken creek]

twin ive done 62f strength no lovers antler 🥀 its not hard

[abstract aspen]

I respectfully doubt

[wide wigeon]

i feel like antler + origination + furies might be crazy

[broken creek]

just kill things

[broken creek]

crit is 3x in this game, and 30% cr is insane considering how much melione hits things

[jolly hound]

it’s basically the keepsake version of corporate tax breaks, if you’re a billionaire you love em and if you’re not then it’s a liability

[timid vigil]

No things die in 2 seconds

Less, actually

[still mantle]

Ok ill enjoy practicing my ass off to speedrun a bit faster

[broken creek]

like things spawn in and they explode

your average blitz will be hitting 900+

on top of everything else critting, things just die

[jolly hound]

if you’re serious you’ll get it. it does go way easier with a trusty shield from heph

[abstract aspen]

[jolly hound]

and if you can get the keepsake boosting duo it’s a 50 p crit chance which is insane

[abstract aspen]

[still mantle]

I'll use it when I do arachne dress run

[jolly hound]

does it overlap with success rate from Hermes?

[timid vigil]

Yes

[broken creek]

yeah

[jolly hound]

yea if you don’t get hit then it’s not a liability

[timid vigil]

Success rate GOATED

[jolly hound]

Does it work with raki too

[timid vigil]

Increases crit chance, Double strike, grievous

[median plinth]

all the crit chance get added together

[wide wigeon]

+1 projectile flames is so good

[median plinth]

and that gets effectively multiplied by double strike grievous blow chances

[still mantle]

The day i use antler is the day i get heroic blood spree

[timid vigil]

goated on eos

[broken creek]

you cant get it on eos lol

[still mantle]

And a hell lot of damage reduction

[broken creek]

like seriously its just not in its hammer pool 😭

[abstract aspen]

okay so I used reminescence before seing the 3 fates, I know I'm cooked but by how much ?

[timid vigil]

oh

really?

[still mantle]

Ok... someone explain why heroic apro special does 250%😭

Thats just stupid

[timid vigil]

I was probably thinking of the one that makes special spins faster

I don't play eos much tbh

[wide wigeon]

might try it out

[timid vigil]

Yeah eos doesn't have it i was spreading misinformation

[wide wigeon]

i js like the extra projectile cause more hits

[still mantle]

Overshadowed by moros

[broken creek]

eos is better in high fear

[timid vigil]

Most specials have less base power

[broken creek]

its just overall a safer weapon and just still super strong

[wide wigeon]

how much fear is considered high

[broken creek]

45+ imo

[timid vigil]

Nah eos is super good as well I just prefer other aspects and don't play like super high fear

[still mantle]

Anubis staff would like to have a word with you

[wide wigeon]

lmao nvm then i htought i finally became a high fear individual now that i beat chronos 32f

[timid vigil]

Mel staff*

[still mantle]

Both

[timid vigil]

Mel staff epic aphro special is legit all you need to win a run

[still mantle]

I got heroic on anubis and just shredded everything

Then i had a terrible summit and no healing at the shop

Thus I died to stupid typhon

[abstract aspen]

for me 10

[median plinth]

40f is kind of where you have to start making tradeoffs and sacrifices and it feels more like 32 heat for hades 1

though if you get used to frenzy 2 rivals 4, you can probably get to 45f before you start feeling those pinches

[broken creek]

a lot of high fear players would probably agree that 45+ is when you actually have to start locking tf in

[timid vigil]

50 is imo the last doable fear before you need to use bullshlt vows

[broken creek]

but thats also mutable, for me 62 or less is pretty free

but 45+ is when grit, hoards, pain, and scars3 all start going on so the game just gets harder real quick

[still mantle]

Wait really I always use hoards for early fear

[broken creek]

yeah and ur dumb

[still mantle]

And like grit 1 or 2

[median plinth]

that's not very nice

[honest zenith]

Is there anything to do post game that I haven’t done?

[still mantle]

What have you done?

[broken creek]

🥀 i cant be like luthien filling that bullying role huh

[still mantle]

What should I use, pray tell?

[honest zenith]

Beat the game. I got two of the statues. Haven’t met the fates yet

[broken creek]

depends what fear

[still mantle]

Do that then

[timid vigil]

Time, menace, frenzy

[honest zenith]

And after that?

[still mantle]

Like 16-20

[broken creek]

ill make you a 20

[median plinth]

I dunno, not reading all the messages, but randomly insulting someone with a "new to discord" tag seems excessive

[still mantle]

Get all hidden aspects

[broken creek]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwwLDAsMCwwLDAsMCwwLDYsMCwwLDAsMTJd
theres a 24 for ya

[honest zenith]

I need scales to unlock the last one

[median plinth]

lol, frenzy 2 and rivals 4, just throw them into the deep end

[broken creek]

and im dead serious this is a super easy 24

just learn the new timings 🥀

hubris, shadow, menace, debt, denial are all also super easy

[still mantle]

I shoild probably start dipping into frenzy

[abstract aspen]

when I use rivals, hecate make me use 2 death defiance

[cunning laurel]

damn below 50 all fear is free huh

[broken creek]

if i get to have my arcana the game is free

[still mantle]

Use strength

[timid vigil]

If you're scared of rivals 4 just do menace 2 hubris 1 instead its so free

[abstract aspen]

Am I what people call " a noob " with 70h ?

[median plinth]

if you turn off rivals 4 that's a fairly reasonable 20

[abstract aspen]

menace 2 and hubris 2 and frenzy 1 and time 2 are free

[median plinth]

hubris shadow menace fangs denial all can be added before rivals 4

[cunning laurel]

youre definitely newer and thats okay

[timid vigil]

Like if you wanna do rival-less 24 this is still really free https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMCwzLDAsMiwxLDIsMiwwLDYsMCwyLDAsMF0=

But no reason to not do rivals at least up to 3

[still mantle]

I dont even have rivals 4 unlocked😭

[abstract aspen]

I only have rivals 2 ? and I don't use it

[timid vigil]

You need to clear both rivals 2 bosses to unlock the next one

Worth it if not for fear just because all boss fights are super super cool

[cunning laurel]

cerb stops being afk

[abstract aspen]

I just used the fountains and then took the fountain keepsake, someone end me

[timid vigil]

Esc quit

[abstract aspen]

thanks, that means a lot

[timid vigil]

You'll return before taking the keepsake I'm pretty sure

[abstract aspen]

oh thanks man

[still mantle]

I still haven't gotten comfortable with 5 minutes so this is my 20f setup
https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMSwwLDAsMiwwLDIsNSwwLDAsMiwwLDMsMCwwLDAsNV0%3D

[timid vigil]

Not undo night

As someone who is a phial enjoyer I too commit this mistake a lot

[median plinth]

hordes and grit are tough

[abstract aspen]

yeah don't wanna loose this progress

[still mantle]

Flash fry putting in work

[timid vigil]

The reason you're probably not comfortable with 5 mins is because all your encounters have more enemies and they all have more health

[median plinth]

I'd turn off hordes and grit and turn on frenzy

[timid vigil]

If you took time 3 and even like just frenzy 1 instead you can probably clear on 5mins easy

[median plinth]

can also do hubris and denial

[still mantle]

Naw, hordes and grit are the newest additions

[jolly hound]

Timer gets way easier as you add frenzy

[median plinth]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDMsMCwwLDIsNSwwLDAsMiwwLDMsMCwyLDIsOF0=

[jolly hound]

Bad guys spawn faster

[median plinth]

this is probably a reasonable goal

[still mantle]

Im still at the point where I m just trying to get bounties

[median plinth]

chaos trials are your friend for those

[timid vigil]

Also menace is unironically the most free fear

[cunning laurel]

fangs 2 is kinda tough

[still mantle]

Hubris depends entirely on build

[timid vigil]

Enemies from the next region are not that big of a deal

[broken creek]

no it doesnt lmao

just take a magic pot and dont prime out

[median plinth]

just take a pot & hecuba

[jolly hound]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDYsMywwLDAsNSwwLDAsMCwwLDYsMCwwLDAsMTJd live mas

[still mantle]

Not entirely but I decent amount

Like builds that rely on born gain

[broken creek]

also rarity doesnt matter, just cuz you see purple doesnt mean you should take it

my statement still stands

[still mantle]

I should if its a good purple

[broken creek]

just take magic pots and maybe take hecuba

[timid vigil]

Denial also super easy

[median plinth]

there are definitely some vows that require a little more planning like denial/hubris

[broken creek]

hubris is genuinley never a problem, and like silver wheel r3 exists

[still mantle]

Im not going to not take something cuz its purple 🤣

[still mantle]

I dont think I've done a single one😭

[broken creek]

tbf also if you just dont play with excellence which you shouldnt anyway, you shouldnt be seeing blue or purple much

[honest tulip]

I'm watching a guys weapon teir list and omg this is insane 😭

Like I was informed about Circie and tried it out and it was amazing. But I figured out Charon was amazing on my own.

This man put them both in C teir 😭

[median plinth]

good for completing the prophecies

[still mantle]

Im not playing with excellence

[honest tulip]

My two easiest wins

[still mantle]

I have origination on

[timid vigil]

What

[honest tulip]

Were Circie and Charon

[broken creek]

yea so hubris is extra not an issue

[timid vigil]

Circe and Charon C tier sounds like something I would see on a metal tierlist

[broken creek]

shoutout my goat

[honest tulip]

He also put lightning Lance in D in his Zeus teirlist so I just think these lists are insane all together

[still mantle]

https://hades.teheidoma.space/#6399079

[timid vigil]

That's actually a decent take

[broken creek]

no that's fair

[timid vigil]

But I'm a lightning lance hater cause I play on controller

[median plinth]

lightning lance on a controller is kind of annoying

[broken creek]

zeus has some of the best boons in the game but also some of the worst

like who tf is taking his rush or gain

[still mantle]

I use glowing coal

[honest tulip]

Yeah I heard from comments which is why most people were more lenient on that

[cunning laurel]

use this instead https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck

[median plinth]

no jpom?

[honest tulip]

But I love all the mobile casts

[timid vigil]

Supay players are not real

[still mantle]

What?

[honest tulip]

Lightning Cast, Fireball, and Hades Fireball

[still mantle]

Thats a keepsake

[broken creek]

oh didnt you just hit credits fisch

youll get it in a bit

[median plinth]

yes, but you've listed rolls, so I am assuming you're not doing fates whim?

[timid vigil]

Lighting is the only that you actually aim, glowing coal and howling soul are projectiles so they're more manageable

[honest tulip]

All are insane. (Though I like Hestia more than Hades cause I tend to lose my cast a little even if infesting a boss with a circle is really great)

[broken creek]

im a howling soul hater since why does it take a random 90 degree right turn into a wall when the enemy was 2ft in front of it

[still mantle]

I genuinely don't know what your talking about

[honest tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/you-missed-how-could-you-miss-mushu-mulan-disney-gif-6406329911903145280

[still mantle]

I rolled credits 3 hours ago

[median plinth]

Ah

[broken creek]

then yeah keep playing and youll get jpom

[honest tulip]

The gif may not have loaded but I think I got my point across

[median plinth]

gift some more npcs

[still mantle]

Oh I know about that

But wtf is fates whim

[broken creek]

no rerolls no boon giving god keepsakes and now everything has +4

and you have infinite money thanks to chrolex

[median plinth]

+3

[broken creek]

the display is +4 🥀

[timid vigil]

its +3 but all boons are lvl1 at base the game just doesnt show it

[median plinth]

what does the dead flower mean?

[cunning laurel]

like broken heart

[broken creek]

its like 😔

[median plinth]

is that like 💀

[cunning laurel]

also that kinda

[honest tulip]

Flaccid rose

[broken creek]

wilted rose emoji my beloved

[median plinth]

I'm not really with these new fangled emjoi meanings

[honest tulip]

You would hate my emoji usage

[median plinth]

also apparently not with spelling them

[timid vigil]

< this has become one of my favorite emojis even on other servers

[median plinth]

I don't mind them, I just don't understand them

[honest tulip]

[median plinth]

honestly fisch, you clearing 20 fear without jpom is pretty sweet

get ready for a big power bump when you get the post credits keepsakes, probably could jump to 32 really quickly

[still mantle]

So you use 62f as practice but can't figure out how to aim howling soul🥀

[still mantle]

Hmm

[broken creek]

yeah

howling soul has a mind of its own twin

[median plinth]

howling soul is a pain

[jolly hound]

He doesn’t do 62 with howling soul tho

[broken creek]

and as a circe player i do not wanna get it anyway

[still mantle]

Why not?

Ive used circe with glowing coal

[honest tulip]

I once had howling soul on Charon

I on occasion would lose my cast and just get nullified for 4 seconds

[broken creek]

glowing coal is actually consistent

since the auto aim is actually nice and it wont veer 30ft to the left cuz it felt like it

but for circe howling makes it really iffy to try to layer casts

[jolly hound]

because when you’re using a move that works the same way every time in several hundred attempts, changing it is super jarring. like if you drive a little sedan, driving your buddy’s giant pickup truck will feel weird

[broken creek]

im fine with glowing coal but lightning lance sucks on controller and howling soul does whatever tf it feels like

[cunning laurel]

are you on controller plum?

[honest tulip]

I have never once felt controller was good

[median plinth]

isn't' glowing coal and lightning lance the same?

[jolly hound]

I’ll take glowing coal if I got stuck with ares cause the 250 power wounds duo and the fireball is like 500 damage hades 1 casts and that’s worth it

[timid vigil]

Nope, glowing coal is a projectile

[broken creek]

yeah

[craggy totem]

GC has (brief) travel time, LL is direct

[median plinth]

oh that's righ

I've largely played them the same though and felt the same friction on both (controller)

[honest tulip]

I always assumed controllers were just... the compromise of not having a mouse n keyboard

[craggy totem]

The travel time is so quick that I guess the main difference is more that if there's a dude standing between you and the reticle, then the dude gets hit by the GC?

[cunning laurel]

so true

[timid vigil]

Even if you aim behind where the enemy actually is, glowing coal will hit them and stop at them

[craggy totem]

Anyway, Tipsy Shot,

[jolly hound]

Took it once for the prophecy, had regrets lol

[timid vigil]

Howling soul is like that too being far but if for some reason that enemy dies before howling reaches it it goes haywire and does a random left turn

Or idk sometimes it just does a random left turn cause it thinks you wanted to aim at something else

[still mantle]

DAMMIT

[timid vigil]

It's zag cast... for all intends and purposes it's literally zag cast

[craggy totem]

Yeah, I don't think the GC projectile tries to "seek" enemies, right? Whereas Howling Soul tries to helpfully "seek" enemies and thus gets wonky

[jolly hound]

Howling soil makes me feel like a jackass for getting hit by it as many times as I did in hades 1 like how come dad never taught me how to aim

[slim pike]

Coal also just has finite range and explodes at that point, you can't miss nearly as hard as howling soul does

[timid vigil]

Also this

[honest tulip]

I forgot about that one 😭

[timid vigil]

Howling does have the benefit of sticking to bosses

[jolly hound]

Charon axe with glowing coal for the lulz

[timid vigil]

Dionysus is not real

[jolly hound]

Did you recently get fig scammed haha

[timid vigil]

all the time

all I've been doing recently is speeds

[honest tulip]

Thisss

I lost my cast so much

[still mantle]

POSSESED ARRAY IS HARDER TO GET THAN FECKING MERCIFUL END

[slim pike]

it's also a fat projectile

You have to try to miss with it

[timid vigil]

Just highroll it with experimental hammer

Surely you'll not get wide grin and brick your run

[slim pike]

I dislike that it's a requirement (out of a set of two) her her legendary, yet actively fights against it

if I want a projectile deleting field, I want it now

[craggy totem]

I PBed on an aspect recently on a run where I got Dio scammed. Imagine if he hadn't done me like that.

[still mantle]

Surely....

[timid vigil]

My PB for a long time was on a fig scam oceanus

[still mantle]

welp, doesnt matter

STUPID MEDEA AND HER BS POISON

[abstract aspen]

if I did reminescence before getting the 3 fates do I need to redo reminescence again after getting them ?

[jolly hound]

just slow down a bit, the poison clears out after a few seconds

[placid mountain]

Hey guys, i was just grabbing a boon from dionysus, and my screen went all weird and then somebody said help help help and the words were shown on screen

[jolly hound]

and hit a fountain to clear poison near the fountain if needed

[placid mountain]

Wth was that

[jolly hound]

No idea

[placid mountain]

Wait wth, it took the wrong boon too

[abstract aspen]

what is the best aspect for the flames ?

[cunning laurel]

echo keepsake?

[placid mountain]

I didnt move, healing every room was top boon and thats shat i wanted. But the screen thing happened and then it took the bottom mystery health

FFFFFF. Thats what it is. First time ive ever hsed it

[cunning laurel]

you got the other boon you first picked

[placid mountain]

Used it* thanks so much, and Rip my run i guess

[cunning laurel]

why rip? you didnt get a bad boon from it

pretty good one actually

[abstract aspen]

you know this boon is a good one, gotta make you hearth race a little and you'll take so much health you'll never dye

[placid mountain]

Cause i really dont like the mystery hp one, i'll deffo fail now. Ah well makes the run spicier

[cunning laurel]

it shouldnt change how you play at all

[placid mountain]

I will die

[abstract aspen]

no you won't

go kill the monster

[placid mountain]

Ive had the game like 5 days i'm not profcient

[cunning laurel]

knowing your hp isnt gonna help you live better

[placid mountain]

Of course it is, i can heal when needed

[craggy totem]

Take some armor

[abstract aspen]

just 5 days and you have olympus ? took me 2 weeks

[placid mountain]

Aaaand im dead

Ive done 16 fear on both haha, i've sweated it pretty hard

Hang on, it's 7 days, i grabbed it last friday

I hope this hasnt ruined hades 1 experience for me

[cunning laurel]

maybe a lesson to never use echo keepsake though

[placid mountain]

Yeah, truth, i did not like that. Just trying to level them all up

[cunning laurel]

esp in olympus, dionysus has boons that actually do hurt

[placid mountain]

Something i did wanna ask, is how do you guys play huntress? I pick it every time cause 50% huge but half the mana regen make it difficult to stay under

[cunning laurel]

half the aspects completely ignore omegas so you dont even take a gain

and if you use omegas huntress is probably on

[median plinth]

I think huntress doesn't do anything if you use omegas

since it applies to only attack and special (not attacks and specials)

[placid mountain]

They are still attacks and specials though

[median plinth]

it's best for non-omega aspects. use an omega at the beginning of the room (or between waves)

[placid mountain]

Though i guess some things are worded like that

[median plinth]

yeah when it says "attack" (no plural) it excludes omega attack

[placid mountain]

Ahhhh so i just take it for spammy things like melinoe daggers and black coat?

I must say, i just got round to trying thanatos, and with the 30% hammer and a hermes attack speed boon its pretty fire

[cunning laurel]

you probably take huntress every time unless your attack and special are so weak that 50% doesnt help

[still mantle]

ooh time to do a circe build

[median plinth]

it's actually worst for small weak attacks. the axes are better

[placid mountain]

Circe is my favourite 🙂

[broken creek]

you should do ares cast

[still mantle]

sure

[broken creek]

not cuz its good but cuz its funny that it doenst work

[still mantle]

why not

[broken creek]

you cant spawn more than 1 blade over an enemy at once

[still mantle]

i can get glowing coal fourth degree

[broken creek]

so doubling the cast is useless

[still mantle]

hmm

how about no

[median plinth]

ares and poseidon casts dont' double up

[placid mountain]

Any tips for zagreus?

[slim pike]

Hell yes

[still mantle]

poseidon's doesnt either?

[broken creek]

posiedon can you just need a ranged cast to get around the splash icd

[median plinth]

not in the way you typically want it. overlapping rings only hit once

[still mantle]

ah

[median plinth]

unless you do what Plum says

[broken creek]

yeah splash has an internal cooldown of a fraction of a second so 2 casts at the same time dont work

[still mantle]

so what cast should i use

dont say zeus

[broken creek]

zeus is best, hestia is close 2nd and aim for pyro tech

[cunning laurel]

everything else besides hera

[still mantle]

but what about winners circle?

[broken creek]

it sucks

you only take winners if youre messing around with heph/apollo joke builds, for every actually good cast it sucks and even then theres an argument to not take it for heph

[slim pike]

Use Engagment ring and stop being a coward

[still mantle]

i seem to have not played circe right on my last 3 successful runs

[median plinth]

winners circle + heph is solid

[still mantle]

ive been using winners circle with apollo cast and prominence flare

[median plinth]

oh apollo cast too

[broken creek]

yeah that deals like no damage compared to zeus by itself

[still mantle]

ok.....

[cunning laurel]

whats the argument for no wc with heph

[broken creek]

more crowd control so things wont just leave the blasts

losing the crowd control feels so bad icl

[still mantle]

so basically i shouldnt be going for omega casts?

[median plinth]

but honestly at lower heats (<32), you can win with more or less anything

[broken creek]

yeah its at its best when you play it like mel staff with more emphasis on pressing cast

[slim pike]

more leashbeams

[still mantle]

so i just use zoos cast and nothing else

[broken creek]

so ideally the build looks like zeus attack + cast, hera special, shimmering moonshot hammer

although again hestia is a very close 2nd especially if you get pyro tech or freezer burn

zeus kinda needs hera to enable it for room clear

[still mantle]

I dont think I've every clicked the attack button on the staff unironically

[cunning laurel]

what

[still mantle]

*except for anubis

[broken creek]

youve just been ignoring dash attack?? 😭

[abstract aspen]

okay so I have time 2, hubris 2, menace 2 and frenzy 1 active which make 11fear, but I have to be at 12, do you have any recommandation on a fear to activate that is free

[broken creek]

debt1

[slim pike]

You've never played the holy thasher trinity?

[abstract aspen]

40% more ????

[abstract aspen]

what is this ?

[still mantle]

yes

[broken creek]

yeah debt is free, especially if you have chrolex

[slim pike]

All three hammers with "Thrasher" in the name

[broken creek]

its one of the best attacks in the game twin 🥀

[still mantle]

i just pile everything onto special unless im playing circe

[abstract aspen]

what's chrolex ?

[cunning laurel]

sure but you still attack 💔

[broken creek]

post credits keepsake, gives you so much money debt becomes a nothing vow

[abstract aspen]

don't recall seeing one of those

[tropic ravine]

I can NEVER do them consistently

[slim pike]

If you using Rapid, Mirrored and Wicked Thrasher than you attack at stupid speeds and hit like a truck

[still mantle]

sure but special is just better at that point

[abstract aspen]

I was postcredit this morning but now I'm back beforecredit

[slim pike]

everything gets pummeled into a fine paste

[still mantle]

can you even get three hammers???

[slim pike]

Sure

[still mantle]

without anvil

[slim pike]

Not gifted Icarus yet?

[broken creek]

twin my 62 just now has dash attack at the 2nd spot on the damage board 🥀

dash attack is super integral to staff

[still mantle]

oh we REALLY highrolling

[broken creek]

e.hammer

or goldx3 from echo

[still mantle]

i forgot about experimental hammer

[slim pike]

E hammer in zone 3 or 4

[broken creek]

or rewardx3 too from echo

[still mantle]

oh right reward reward reward

[still mantle]

hmmm

interesting

[broken creek]

the optimal combos for staff are dash attack -> attack -> special or just dash attack -> special

[slim pike]

Also don't sleep on melting swipe

[broken creek]

yea melting swipe is a top3 hammer for it imo

top2 for circe id argue

[slim pike]

that "Your dash-strike is bigger" part is doing a lot of heavy lifting here

"Bigger"? More like frickin' huge

[still mantle]

ok now how do i use this thing

all i see is the special with less range

[slim pike]

it's literally double DPS

With mel staff that's a one tap 80x2 you can cancel into from your attacks

it's a bit bananas

[buoyant matrix]

three hammers is kinda easy to roll if you're running onion

[slim pike]

Oh and on oSpecial too

[still mantle]

The hell does onion have to do with anything

[broken creek]

onion from forfeit removes it from the rewardx3 pool

[still mantle]

am i supposed to get a specific hammer?

[buoyant matrix]

the vow of forfeit, it tends to delete the miniboss boon in fields

[broken creek]

so like say you had a boon and hammer as a room, and the boon gets onioned, the hammer is now in the reward spot regardless of order

[buoyant matrix]

so if you picked up a hammer before in the first room and get RRR from echo, it's an easy triple hammer

[still mantle]

i see it doing 36 damage once

[solar pollen]

what’s ya’lls fav soundtrack from ost? mine is Primordial Chaos i can’t get enough of it lmao

[still mantle]

with strength

[buoyant matrix]

probably olympus aflame

[solar pollen]

ooo that’s a good one too

[slim pike]

Dual Moonshot, isn't that what we were talking about?

oh you're talking about dashstrike

[still mantle]

I was asking about the dash strike

[slim pike]

well, here's the thing, you hit them with it

and then cancel right into special

[crude dragon]

Kinda like axe

[broken creek]

mel axe and mel staff are the same weapon ong

[slim pike]

you reallllly need to get special cancels burned into your muscle memory

[broken creek]

same with mel daggers they dash attack special spam

[slim pike]

Wouldn't it be great if there was an upgrade that just did that for you on the daggers?

[broken creek]

dude and instead of 1 special it was 3

thatd be awesome

[slim pike]

oh come on, that'd be so busted and render oSpecial obsolete

[crude dragon]

It'd be so busted, it'd render aspects obsolete

[timid vigil]

They would never do that

[slim pike]

Nah, we'd still have The Morrigan and Not-the-morrigan

[crude dragon]

It might even make non-Morrigan knives viable

[solar pollen]

i am gonna claw (out your eyes) is good too since like a rock song

[slim pike]

I think the torches might be the only weapon that doesn't special cancel like, a lot

even then it can be useful

Supay does it but it's cast/dash cancels instead

[still mantle]

What's the best pet for circe?

[still mantle]

coral crown:

[buoyant matrix]

raki for speeds, gale for fear

[still mantle]

I have never special canceled in my life😭

[slim pike]

you probably have

[still mantle]

well crap

[slim pike]

just like, press attack, and then press special right as the attack hits

it's not exactly like learning combos in an Anime fighting game

[still mantle]

guess which two pets i dont have 😭

[still mantle]

ok

well i didnt know that it existed so

[broken creek]

toula works fine just youll have to pay attention and manage her

[buoyant matrix]

ah, toula works nice then

[broken creek]

or hecuba if you wanna not have to manage anything since they stick close to you like gale does

[still mantle]

NO NOT TOULA

[broken creek]

just dont use frinos

[slim pike]

mash your hand into your controller/mouse more

[hollow crest]

RAAAAAAAAAAAA I DID IT FIRST TRY NO SPOILERS

https://imgur.com/a/uyz2QKE

[still mantle]

MEAN ASS CAT NOT LETTING ME USE STRENGTH

[broken creek]

then use hecuba ._. although the mana is gonna be useless they still stick close so layering casts is easy

[slim pike]

surely you've learned the other tricks like dash-cancelling the recovery of moves

[still mantle]

why not

[slim pike]

and dash-releasing certain moves

[broken creek]

he doesnt follow you or move in any consistent way so your cast is gonna be in random ass places

[still mantle]

surely i played most of the game blind

[broken creek]

youve probably been doing it without knowing the names of it

because im sure youve attacked then dashed like literally right after

[still mantle]

ye

[broken creek]

then yeah youve dash cancelled

every move has cancel windows with attacks dashes and pecial, its the entire reason axe doesnt feel terrible to play

[hollow crest]

i just beat rivals chronos. with Than aspect. i feel great

[cunning laurel]

whats bro spelling

[brave gate]

I have all achievements, almost all testaments of night, a personal best of 42 fear, and almost all keepsakes maxxed out, but I still have never gotten Hestia’s legendary which is the only prophecy I’ve yet to complete 😭

[still mantle]

(s)

[broken creek]

isnt there a chaos trial that gets you everything you need

[brave gate]

Congrats! I find the axes to be difficult on Rivals Chronos since he moves so fast in phase 3

[broken creek]

i forget which one it is but i couldve sworn there is one

[brave gate]

Literally completed that one and was never offered the legendary in it 💀

And I’m too lazy to do it again

[broken creek]

thatd probably be wayyy easier than a full run though

[still mantle]

🇨 🇭 🇦 🇷 🇴 🇳 🇪 🇽 🇮 🇸 🇹 🇸

[cunning laurel]

as if charon is better than than 🙄

[hollow crest]

yes, i could definitely notice. it was difficult. 0 deaths tho. AND WITH JUDGMENT ARCANA

[brave gate]

I never go into a run dedicating it to the legendary. But if I’m offered Hestia cast at the beginning and it works for my build, I try to get it

[broken creek]

i just wish her legendary was good icl

[broken glen]

Both aspects are really fun

[hollow crest]

hestia cast is ok imo. i go Zeus every time. or Hera. i mean SS tier gods

[brave gate]

I like Charon but hate using it at higher fear

[brave gate]

Hera cast? 🤨

[broken glen]

Smolder ring is really good, so is storm. But engagement??? I mean it’s fine but Hera is better in literally every other slot she’s amazing

[hollow crest]

hera is amazing overall yeah. if i see her purple cast i take it every day

[brave gate]

@still mantle having to charge up the omega special every time you want to inflict big damage gets hard at higher fear. Unless you get the hammer that makes O special charge faster

[broken glen]

Nexus rush is literally the goat for room clearing. Born gain lets you ignore magick. Attack and special have great % and hitch

Engagement ring is just… fine

[broken creek]

i hate using nexus rush

like actually it feels so gross

[still mantle]

I certainly get it more often than giga cleaver😭

[brave gate]

I like Nexus Rush but will always take Blinding Rush over it

[broken glen]

I’ll usually take blinding rush instead but the buff made it so juicy

[jolly hound]

I love nexus rush, pop balloons throughout Erebus

[still mantle]

why

[broken glen]

Yeah it’s free early game but applying the hitch to bosses n stuff is annoying because you have to sprint

[brave gate]

Demeter sprint feels gross to me. I know it doesn’t but I swear it makes me feel slower lmao

[broken creek]

the range on it is a bit smaller than id like and it takes a second to actually start triggering so its not as easy to get off as blinding rush, on top of spending time just running around that close can be a bit risky

[jolly hound]

Dash isn’t winning me the game regardless, may as well have an easy Erebus

[brave gate]

Does it apply hitch when you dash as well or only when you sprint?

[broken creek]

only when you sprint and after like half a second

[brave gate]

It should work with dash imo

[broken creek]

if it did itd be busted so i can see why it doesnt

[broken glen]

And take Aphro’s job??

[brave gate]

Maybe nerf it in some way to compensate idk

[broken creek]

but like fridgid makes sheep ball and sirens wayyyy easier, blinding saves time and dodges are great, then everything else is kinda whatever imo

[brave gate]

You want Hera sprint for the hitch not the damage

[broken creek]

ik pos rush is good and ik how to use it i just dont like it

and like aphro rush is just better ares rush

[brave gate]

It’s fun on Nyx Coat

[broken creek]

i dont think ive ever touched the coats seriously since the start of the game

[brave gate]

Tbf, almost any boon in general is better than Ares dash 😭

[broken glen]

I don’t know how they made it that bad

[still mantle]

we gotta get escalier on here

[broken glen]

It feels like they tried to make it bad

[brave gate]

I pray to Super Giant every night that they’ll change Shine to boost damage from regular attacks/specials instead of omega ones.

Aspect of Selene we be 10x better

[broken glen]

MAKE THE STAR CHART CONSISTENT

[brave gate]

Feels like they couldn’t come up with a solid idea

[static flare]

I miss the fig leaf that would activate 3 times on the same location. Came in clutch when you were low HP 😂

Incredibly broken tho

[brave gate]

I don’t care about that but make it so you get 5 points at the star chart instead of 3. It should be the same as when you pick a full moon hex

[cunning laurel]

at least a consistent amount of purple

[broken glen]

I hate starting a Selene run only to find a dinky chart with 1 purple

[brave gate]

I don’t even care about the purples with Selene coat. I care about Ferocity

[broken glen]

There’s less regular upgrades too

[brave gate]

The godsend is really good tho

[broken glen]

It is if you don’t already have ares on the attack

[brave gate]

I just absolutely abhor that Shine increases omega move damage. It feels so gross to have to charge up an attack during a limited time period

[broken glen]

Because wounds cooldown

[brave gate]

It applies wounds each hit no matter what with the godsend

[broken glen]

It does? Oh dang

[brave gate]

Yeah the hex does

That’s why it’s super good with ferocity especially

[buoyant matrix]

yeah the selene coat godsent is kinda giga broken, unfortunately it needs too much investment

[brave gate]

And then you get as many of the “hit +1 times” upgrades as you can

I’m gonna stand outside of Super Giant headquarters and hold my breath until they implement my Selene coat change 😡

A bit off topic but Launcher Frame is by far my favorite coat hammer

[cunning laurel]

how about shimmering rockets

[craggy totem]

Exhaust Riser bruv

[brave gate]

Starting a Selene coat run now

[broken creek]

exhaust riser when it takes 30 years for me to get out of that animation so melinoe gets hit by the 5 armored fish around me

(i will never play coat again)

[brave gate]

Rerolls so I can start with Ares keepsake

[craggy totem]

???? how is this a thing that happens this has never happened to me

[broken creek]

i genuinely hate coat ik its a skill diff but my god it feels like ass

[craggy totem]

I don't think the ER animation locks you out???

from anything??? if your dash is on cooldown then it's just on cooldown, nothing to do with ER

[broken glen]

Nyx activates my dopamine receptors with the funny noises and effects

[slim pike]

matches your username here too

[brave gate]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImM2IiwiYzciLCJjMTEiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTYiLCJjMTciLCJjMjAiLCJjMjEiLCJjMjIiLCJjMjMiLCJjMjQiXQ==
Any have advice for my reroll Arcana? Something feels a bit off but idk what

[slim pike]

Aaaaaaaaa headbutt

[broken glen]

I feel like I’m watching the baby stimulation dancing fruit

[slim pike]

Aaaaaaaaaa mash attack and special

[broken glen]

I run into the enemies and then right click a bunch and oooo splashes everywhere

[jolly hound]

What feels off is that you don’t have the +4 from jpom

[cunning laurel]

denial for speedrun gotta be the move, zeus only gives divine vengeance and power surge these days

[brave gate]

No its not that. I used this before I even had jPom and something still felt off

I think it mainly feels bad in Erebus

[broken creek]

erebus will always feel bad no matter what you do and thats also a consequence of no artificer

lovers is the most changable thing on reroll setups imo in case you want huntress + messenger or artificer

[brave gate]

Yeah I used to use Huntress + Wayward

@broken creek Also, I think one of the reasons the coat feels so bad is that the rockets have the accuracy of a drunk toddler

[broken creek]

I also hate how the attack pushes you forward

Its just not fun for me to play

[broken glen]

Homing missiles my ass

[brave gate]

Yeah. I always get hit by the basic enemies in erebus that spin

[timid vigil]

If you're going rerolls with selene for the dream of godsent hex it's just gonna feel like turbo ass in the beginning I think that's normal

[brave gate]

Wasn't talking about Selene. It is in general

[timid vigil]

Oh I was just reading all the messages and thought this was about selene

[brave gate]

np

[timid vigil]

You're probably too used to jpom maybe idk

I know I am, every time I run rerolls to go for a specific build or for speeds I feel so weak specially on r1

[craggy totem]

I spun up a Nyx run to check the Exhaust Riser behavior (immediately got hammer with ER out of the gate, thank you game) and am.... on pace to PB lmao

Assuming I don't fumble and die 😆

[brave gate]

It was even before jPom but yeah maybe

Weird that the record keeper doesn'y have a page for familiars

[still mantle]

DAMN YOU ERIS, DONT JUST TAKE THE AMBROSIA, IM TRYING TO COOK STUFF FASTER

[nova oar]

Just do a chaos trial or a run, it takes 10 minutes

[still mantle]

Ok

[still mantle]

Well, a c trial does

[nova oar]

Run irl time takes like 15 minutes

[still mantle]

Not if the actual in game timer says 14-18

[nova oar]

Just timer and frenzy it

Go faster

[still mantle]

My new favorite line in the game is when you use total eclipse on hecate and she goes "selene, don't you dare" if she's standing in the zone

[still mantle]

Ok

Although what usually happens is i take longer on thr first region

I wish it just gave you 20 mins for the whole run...

[nova oar]

Erebus is typically slower

[nova oar]

Are you prioritising room skips and being agressive as possible?

Erebus shouldn't take more than 5 minutes

[still mantle]

Room skips?

Like shops?

I am being aggressive

[cunning laurel]

and chaos and arachne

[still mantle]

Yes

[cunning laurel]

not sure how you could be spending 5 minutes in erebus then

[median plinth]

turn off hordes/grit/wards/return ?

[crude dragon]

I mean, you could just be getting screwed by bad room patterns and a lack of boons

[nova oar]

More of a 62 problem than anything

[broken creek]

even then its not too much of a problem just get orig active asap

[nova oar]

Any erebus is beatable below a certain point

My slowest possible erebus is always going to be around 2.30-3.00

[broken creek]

ive had 62 and 67 erebus stuff be like 4 seconds off of timing out lmao

erebus is rough but if you know what youre doing beating timer isnt a crazy ask

[median plinth]

my 2 62f runs that got to chronos timed out in erebus

lose 1 or 2 dds, another one to sirens, got dds from echo or athena

[old veldt]

Does using the vow time make a difference when speedrunning

[cunning laurel]

none

[old veldt]

Alr so it isn't like h1

[cunning laurel]

how did time help back then

[timid vigil]

nope you just need frenzy 2 and shadow if youre running underworld

[broken glen]

it didn't- the hades survival chambers in tartarus would never spawn if time was on, making it worse for speedrunning

[old veldt]

It nerfed you since survival rooms in tart didn't spawn and those stop in game timer

[cunning laurel]

interesting

[old veldt]

Alr ty

[cunning laurel]

if only time removed asphodel event

[timid vigil]

one can dream...

patch 2 soon trust

(not gonna happen)

[crude dragon]

Greg just spawns

[craggy totem]

WDYM? Isn't ending an Asphodel room early faster than doing a full normal encounter?

[cunning laurel]

i think its like 12 seconds

[craggy totem]

Huh. Inch resting. I guess it depends on the room then as to whether it's faster or slower?

Twelve seconds.... I hadn't thought it was that long

[nova oar]

Ocenaus rooms depend

Some can be faster, some slower, in general it's bad

[cunning laurel]

and you lose the reward

[craggy totem]

Maybe I just got lucky but I feel like most of the times that I rolled Asphodel, it was for like. Ashes.

So I didn't really care haha

Also I just noticed your avatar is a cute bug. Nice.

[timid vigil]

i've got asphodel on boons, boons i really wanted

still i rather have asphodel any day over giant sea-serpent rooms

[craggy totem]

Oh my god the flashbacks

[rough lintel]

hot take: experimental hammer is good

[broken creek]

aint a hot take imo

[rough lintel]

unless ur using axe and it proc the (change attack to only final attack)

then it's 💀

[broken creek]

its just gamba, some weapons worse than others(wide grin medea 🥀)

[brave gate]

Have any of ya'll ever gotten Night Bloom hex with the "has your 'on hit' effects" upgrade while having Light Smite, Visceral Impact, and Divine Veangence?

[brave gate]

Wth does Wide Grin even do on Medea

[rough lintel]

it's pretty bad

[brave gate]

I mean I don't think it's bad. Night Bloom is already good and if you happen to have those other boons you might as well. Especially if you have the Zeus + Ares duo

[rough lintel]

nightbloom is useless against boss

[broken creek]

ruins your entire attack -> special sequence since you use all your shells at once

[brave gate]

Every single boss has adds you know. And for Chronos, the ally hourglass heals you and ignores scars

[broken creek]

so you have to wait to collect the shells to do it again

[brave gate]

At least you're smiling while doing it 🫠

[broken creek]

bro hasnt seen it solo typhon

also pretty useful on scylla ngl

it inherits frenzy so they kinda go stupid quick at higher fears

[brave gate]

It's nice on Rivals Prometheus cause it takes some aggro off of you

The worst boss for it is probably Hecate but it's also Hecate so who cares

[broken creek]

it stops the sheep ball

so its actually pretty good

[brave gate]

tru

Lowkey useful on Rivals Eris cause it makes it easier to tell where she lands

[rough lintel]

wait is night bloom the one that resurrect the minion?

oh that one is great

i love ressurecting roxy

[brave gate]

Yes lmao. Which one were you thinking of?

[crude dragon]

Did you think it was Twilight Curse?

Which is also good

[brave gate]

I like Night Bloom, the Wolf Howl, Twilight Curse, and Moon Water

Phase Shift can be good with a ton of upgrades

F Lunar Ray and Total Eclipse

And Dark Side just feels gross

[nova oar]

The only two hexes i'll take are wolf howl and twilight curse, the rest are garbo

[crude dragon]

All my homies hate Dark Side

Be Wolf Howl or be gone

[brave gate]

If Dark Side did a bajillion damage I still wouldn't like it. Just feels gross to use. Especially the special.

[brave gate]

Is the Wolf Howl glitch against Typon still in the game?

[nova oar]

Nah it's just good utility

[brave gate]

Oh yeah for sure; I love it. It just made me think of it

[vital hollow]

Am I misremembering or can you not level up Tough Gain

[craggy totem]

Unless you do sac boon shenanigans, yep

[vital hollow]

Okay, that's why I was asking, cause currently I'm being offered a level 8 Tough Gain and thought I was going crazy

[craggy totem]

Yah the sac always gotta be taking the sacced-away boon's original level/rarity

[brave gate]

I've had a Heroic Tough Gain that was -7 damage once. Don't know what lvl that wouldve been

[craggy totem]

+2 or 3 maybe

[brave gate]

Not getting Hermes in Ephyra is depressing

[vital hollow]

Wow I'm washed, I just messed up all three times at the Prometheus's first memory attack

[brave gate]

Nvm I;m blind

[craggy totem]

I mean, if you're doing a Surface run, you also get all those Hermes shrines that potentially can offer you Hermes boons on top of that

[brave gate]

The other day, I lost a run because I died to the memory attack. My game lagged, so it didn't visually show me one of the shots going off. Then I got hit cause I was off-sync

[rough lintel]

yea, that's useless against' boss

[vital hollow]

Nah, I was looking and saw all 3, but then just chose wrong all 3 times

[rough lintel]

lunar ray is so good

when u get the +10 shield

[brave gate]

Kind of just got the goated god pool for Nergal. Apollo, Demeter, Hera, and Ares

[rough lintel]

it's so goated

you can block chronos 1h ko

[brave gate]

Do you play keyboard and mouse?

[nova oar]

Lunar Ray is so buns 99% of the time

[rough lintel]

nah, switch

[nova oar]

Oh nice you got 42f

[brave gate]

ty!

[rough lintel]

lunar ray with the shield to block ohko is noiceee

[nova oar]

Just have normal armour or lovers it does the exact same thing

[rough lintel]

lovers is too expensive

[nova oar]

You should always have lovers on 😭

It's 3 grasp

[rough lintel]

nah

i play strength so lovers doesn't nicely proc divinity

[craggy totem]

Twilight Curse still works against boss adds and also has an upgrade that does a bit hit of extra boss damage

[brave gate]

I've tanked that before without armor or a damage negation. I had like 500 HP, Strength, and the Poseidon + Aphrodite duo

[nova oar]

Just do all of left column

[brave gate]

The godsend version does a lot of damage to bosses too

[rough lintel]

fate whim

[vital hollow]

When you're trying to get 5 arcana in a row, Lovers is a bit out of the way, or when you're playing with all of teh rerolls

[craggy totem]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzMiLCJjNiIsImM3IiwiYzgiLCJjMTEiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTciLCJjMTgiLCJjMjMiLCJjMjQiXQ==

[nova oar]

How are you using fates whim and can't afford lovers

[nova oar]

This my setup yes

[rough lintel]

oh that's nice

[nova oar]

Typically it's worth it, very good arcana

[craggy totem]

You can also proc Divinity with top row instead of middle column if you use Eternity to auto-activate Moon instead of taking Artificer

[vital hollow]

I know, my current setup has it, but I used to play without the Lovers