h2-discussion

[crude dragon]

Hangover's decent, but you only want a single source of it

[final saddle]

I didn’t gel with any other spear but that one was good

[storm glen]

hangover call in particular is actually really good

[jolly hound]

Achilles was so fun for meme beam builds

[final saddle]

I liked spamming hangover call with the zeus call buff

[crude dragon]

Meme beam as in the Aphro/Dem duo?

[final saddle]

It charges so fast

Speaking of beams, Dem/Artemis was probably my favorite build to get rolling in that game lol

[storm glen]

crystal beam is a meme entirely

[final saddle]

I really liked the casts that didn’t stick into the enemy, I got this other sick build where I got Hermes insta recall and Ares cast

[storm glen]

hades 1 had higher peaks of silly builds but i still prefer 2's consistency

[crude dragon]

Speaking of Duos, were the Aphro/Dio (Weak enemies have a max Hangover stack count of 8) and Dio/Arty (Hangover stacks now also increase your crit rate) worth anything?

[tribal wharf]

Zag Bow or Nemesis Sword with Artemis because Big Crit Number give dopamine

[jolly hound]

didn’t hurt, didn’t win you the run by themselves

[storm glen]

they were strong ya

[final saddle]

Was supporting fire considered good? I usually took that one because I was already doing a billion hits to the same guy with my weapons lol

[storm glen]

no rofl

[final saddle]

Dang

[jolly hound]

Smoldering Air tho, that’s what’s up. Especially if you got Poseidon call with rip current, it was three free big hits to dad

[storm glen]

1/5

smoldering air is a good shout that was actually really good

[crude dragon]

It's free damage, though :3

[final saddle]

I remember not liking Artemis’s attacks and specials, so I took that to get my foot in the door too for her duo boons and big crits

[lime slate]

is it only me or do Demeter's boons feel very strong? They stun and/or reduce enemy speed, which can even be increased as a parameter to make the game harder...

[storm glen]

yes demeter is very good

[jolly hound]

Supoort fire was helpful when the blue heart heat was a thing. Nowadays, air quality supoort fire is very fun

[crude dragon]

Smoldering Air's the Zeus/Aphro Duo, yeah? Capped your Call but made it super fast?

[final saddle]

Demeter is crazy in a cast focused build

[jolly hound]

Yep. 5 second recharge time for free in a vacuum

[final saddle]

Oh yeah Zeus has a way to make that boon crazy

[crude dragon]

Her Cast is excellent, her attack and special leave a lot to be desired on the damage side

[jolly hound]

I just hit a new fear PR using support fire air quality static shock and supay yesterday it was busted

[lime slate]

I mean slow just feels very powerful all around, but I understand what you mean

[jolly hound]

Dem gusts and air quality also go hard; I’m also partial to plentiful forage now that I got gift of gaia

Freezing bad guys is way more useful than slowing them for sure

[final saddle]

I prefer getting her gust and someone else’s cast

[crude dragon]

Also, kinda unfortunate that the Dem/Heph Duo got changed to go from "clangs reset your Freeze cooldown" to "Frozen enemies get hit harder by clangs"

[final saddle]

Zeus and Hestia specifically seem great for comboing with Demeter

[storm glen]

be real the og duo was terrible

when is an enemy gonna last another full 2 seconds after getting clanged

[jolly hound]

if they’re Prometheus

[storm glen]

prometheus famously gets slowed very hard

[jolly hound]

wait does hestia dash block promo AOE attacks

[brave gate]

https://imgur.com/a/XU3LdCb

Let's goooooooo

[hollow crest]

congrats, my turn now

300hrs in, 36/50 achievements

[tropic ravine]

What achievements do you need to do, 80 hours in and one achievement I am suprised

[pallid cradle]

The 100% for Hades 2 is pretty easy all things considered.

[gusty tree]

Aspect of Melinoe Axe with Aphrodite is funny

Get origination up and you hit like a tactical nuke

Infact it is really funny

I rarified Flutter Strike to heroic, and then for my next 2 boons I got Glamour Gain and Hera's Dash for origination

that combined with Zeus on my special, cast being a fireball with Hestia, other boons to increase my damage, and Yeah - safe to say this was one of the fastest chronos fights I had

the weapon might be slow, but this ass whooping was fast

[honest tulip]

Major spoilers but like ||I JUST HAD THE MOST LOONEY TOONS AHH FIGHT WITH ZAGERUS 😭😭😭😭||

||I DIDN"T KNOW YOU COULD FIGHT HIM???|||

[rough lintel]

hades 2 is lowk easy

you deals a billion damage in this game anyways

[honest tulip]

||Do you want to know where I was in the run????? HALF WAY POINT CHARON||

[rough lintel]

sister? rahhh!

[honest tulip]

||I HAD 1 BOON AND IT WAS DEMETER SPRINT 😭||

I lost 4 death defiances in the first 3 minutes

then spent the next 10 running in circles as I sicked toula on him

[rough lintel]

zag fight is like charon back then

[honest tulip]

And it would have worked too!

[rough lintel]

it's only worth doing zag fight if u have jewelled pom and artificer

[honest tulip]

Toula made him use his first death defianec 😭

[rough lintel]

coz u get more boons to start

[honest tulip]

If I had a Hex that could deal damage I might have been able to actually use it too

[rough lintel]

i love the jeweled pom -> time piece -> fig leaf -> knucklebones pipeline

[honest tulip]

It was time slow or whatever

[rough lintel]

always end the run with 30+ boons

[open nimbus]

Knucklebones???

[rough lintel]

yea it delete 20% of the boss intial health and let you take less damage against them

that or fleece if i do omega heavy

[honest tulip]

Man if I had literally ANY boon for magic up then I probably could have beat zag

[open nimbus]

Do you take a lot of hits at the end? Or would you prefer killing everything on screen before they can do anything?

[pallid cradle]

The hardest achievements are beating the secret boss and getting a dress to Chronos. Other than that it's just the annoyance of a few of the NPC quest lines.

[rough lintel]

you mean zag?

zag's easy

just bring jewelled pom

i find it kinda funny how rival eris is a lot easier than base eris

[final saddle]

Really?

Hecate might have to move over as easiest boss between both games then

[jolly hound]

Rivals hecate and timer 3 have caused more losses than vanilla chronos over here, don’t underestimate witch mommy

[final saddle]

Rivals Hec is fine on her own, haven’t fought her with timer tho

[jolly hound]

that’s usually cause of a crappy Erebus and getting hit with her hex but still

[final saddle]

And I run a judgement build so that’s where I’m weakest

[rough lintel]

rival hecate is low hard

coz 5m

[rough lintel]

yea coz she doesn't have that annoying I frame

you can just nuke her

[final saddle]

Like when she blasts herself with a rocket and then gets a dmg boost?

[jolly hound]

that damage boost is psychological warfare more than an actual huge problem the buff only lasts a few seconds and it’s not clear from the game but the buff doesn’t stack it’s not like she’s gonna light you up for a hundo a shot in the last phase. also camp the bottom right before last phase starts she always goes there and you can likely wrap up the fight then

[final saddle]

Ye, I usually fight her super aggro

[raw patrol]

I kinda wonder now

I got 60% sea star after 2 rooms, how quickly could i have maxed it out

Here's what happened
Heroic sea star starting boon
Nectar hitting sea star twice -> lvl 3
Pom hitting sea star twice -> lvl 5, 60%

I had 30% success rate boon soon after but i took quick buck instead, sea star proc'd those coins too

[gleaming zinc]

does anyone know how to trigger the ||animal whisperer|| achievement? ||i've gotten all four familiars to my knowledge.||

[nova oar]

There's 5

[waxen sage]

||Theres five, not four||

[gleaming zinc]

||ahh, so that's why. thank you for the info. will keep on the lookout then||

[tropic ravine]

Hot take lovers should cancel out hecates morph and time clock things stunning you

[nova oar]

I disagree

[tropic ravine]

why so

[nova oar]

They're not instances of damage

And lovers still works while in that state

[merry whale]

they should make it so chronos vacuum in rivals typhon doesn't eat snow queen

[cunning laurel]

was just thinking that lol

[tropic ravine]

but overall, the main point of lovers is to take a hit. id gladly make it so it takes 2 hits of lovers instead of one for hecates morph

[merry whale]

i mean there are still other ways to eat morph like frinos, night bloomed enemies, etc

technically unseen ire too but that's too finicky to aim for

[broken creek]

I was doing practice yesterday and I was so confused where it went 😭 looking back at the clip its so dumb

[merry whale]

ye it's sneaky

[storm glen]

snow queen has terrible feedback for you losing it

[merry whale]

i still get annoyed by the fact that icarus armor also has zero feedback cuz of how u get frequent pity invulnerability anyway and it uses the exact same visual so u don't even realize u have the 8sec immunity until it's too late

[storm glen]

what is pity invulnerability

[broken creek]

Its the invuln that triggers after a big enough hit or you get hit a bunch

Idk the base requirements i just know its there and barely does anything

[cunning laurel]

wonder if hippo has done any research on it

[rough lintel]

no, as in her rival version doesn't ahve that annoying long iframe

that do a huge explosion

[final saddle]

Oooo nice

That’s usually when I get hit too lol

Not to the explosion, but the re-entry

[short lance]

Both

[tropic ravine]

Dhehsudueusjs I was doing a run but it didn’t save

[honest oracle]

O no

Was it good?

[tropic ravine]

Oh well it counts I was basically in Tartarus

[tropic ravine]

Yes extremely

[honest oracle]

[tropic ravine]

It’s not that bad

Because I’m doing it for an achievement where I have to use all the aspects for chronos or typhoon

Was already basically a win so I’ll count it

[honest oracle]

Oooooh okie dokie

[tropic ravine]

I have a 100% save

[honest oracle]

What aspects do you have left

[tropic ravine]

Uhhh

Aspect of Eos, supay, and Charon

[honest oracle]

Ok, save Charon for last. (No bias at all)

[restive ibex]

what on earth do i do with all the stardust i've been getting

[runic mesa]

Man I need this game to come out in consoles D:

it's been too long :(

[honest oracle]

?

What console are you on?

Oop I was wrong my b

[short lance]

i love aspect of charon

[hardy depot]

For the prophecy you need ||to have unlocked at least the normal Chaos Above/Below and gifted Chaos 6 times||, for the trials themselves you need ||all weapons, arcana, keepsakes, familiars and grasp unlocked, and cleared at least 10 runs each of the Underworld and Surface, Greater Above/Below I think need you to clear 10 or more fear in each route too||

[short lance]

ohhhh thank you so much

Maybe I haven't ||cleared 10 surface runs||

i have everything else

Again, thank you

[tropic ravine]

WOW I underestimated supay

[honest oracle]

Have fun in Eos, one of my least favorite

[tropic ravine]

Doing an eos run now wish me luck

[tropic ravine]

Eh was mid felt like aspect of melinoe

[tropic ravine]

Just 100% the game!

[torpid sky]

epic job

[unborn snow]

wait, vow symbol is not purple skull? 😂 https://x.com/duooftwo/status/2011969743196979546?s=46&t=qCX1MctqkN8GN6pB_8x5jw

[nimble rivet]

Nice pfp

[merry whale]

eos is so funn

big strong

[torn wind]

It's still unclear to me when the game will and won't kill a run if I exit during it

Had a bug I posted in the tech support channel that enemies stopped appearing

[wispy storm]

are you exitting through the ingame pause menu?

[torn wind]

Kinda late, already got a response in tech support channel

But issue was I couldn't do that due to being stuck in an encounter I couldn't finish

Had to force-quit the game

No big deal though

[ancient token]

I have been saluting this oath for 30 minutes and I just want a hestia, demeter, or hera boon. I've gotten Ares, Apollo, Selene, and Daedalus 5+ times each, Poseidon, Zeus, and Aphrodite 3 times each. I haven't gotten either 3 of the ones I want ONCE.

Is there something I'm missing?

I wish there was a faster way to reset

[cunning laurel]

just sounds unlucky tbh

[ancient token]

OMG finally got Hera

[pulsar helm]

How does one get the ||titles from the Spirit Mixer||? I've literally gotten all achievements in the game and done the epilogue but I still can't interact with it lol

No incantations left

[cunning laurel]

how much kudos have you earned

[pulsar helm]

Total? I'm not sure, I spent a lot. Currently I have about 900

[cunning laurel]

if theres any unlock condition its probably tied to kudos stuff, so id turn in everything or buy from dora

[pulsar helm]

You're right! Apparently I didn't spend enough. Just bought about 10k more of decor and it unlocked the next night

Thanks

[vapid veldt]

for the melinoe seek us prophecy what does it mean to "seek to know" somebody?

[cunning laurel]

just talking to and gifting them

[pale gazelle]

how does hereditary bane actually work

[real scarab]

hitch shares %30 of dealt damage by default. hereditary bane increases that additively

[pale gazelle]

so if i have a heroic lvl 4 hereditary bane giving +55% hitch shares a total of 85% damage? i figured but i wasnt really sure, thats really strong actually lol

[real scarab]

yea it's pretty crazy

[rough lintel]

not really

also i hate how typhon is just a dps check

[pale gazelle]

like chronos isnt 🙏

[rough lintel]

chronos is more annoying

[pale gazelle]

i guess bro

[rough lintel]

chronos 3rd phase is so hard

[pale gazelle]

what fear

[wise wave]

Imagine queen's ransom and we have over 100% damage on hitch, the hitch enemies take more damage than the suffered one.

[pale gazelle]

sum like that

[weak atlas]

last I played "up to date" was april, ik there was like "release" but much new content since then?

[pale gazelle]

yea a considerable amount i suppose

[brave urchin]

https://vxtwitter.com/duooftwo/status/2011969743196979546/photo/1

WHAT DO YOU MEAN ITS NOT A SKULL?

[pale gazelle]

How did you not know this

[brave urchin]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G-vzLGdWkAAfy7J?format=png&name=240x240

[pale gazelle]

It's pretty easy to tell that it's a boulder 🙏

[brave urchin]

LOL i never saw its a tiny Meli!!!

[pale gazelle]

Fire

[slim pike]

It also goes up by 5% per rarity, but a flat 10% per pom. It's pretty crazy how it scales with queen's ransom

[pale gazelle]

how does it work if you go past 100%

[slim pike]

It just does

You just get hitch doing more damage than the source damage

[pale gazelle]

thats actually nuts

[slim pike]

Yep. Always get hereditary bane before queen's ransom. It's the boon to pom

[broken creek]

just always get hereditary bane

[pale gazelle]

if there are two enemies in the room, one has hitch applied and one doesnt, and i have hitch on attack, if i attack the enemy without hitch will they gain hitch and then transfer that hitch damage to the enemy that already has hitch or do i need to attack again for the hitch effect to work

[short lance]

got all achievements for hades 2 just now!! Hell yeah!!

[slim pike]

Hitch is applied before damage is.

[pale gazelle]

nice thanks

[full wing]

This game is actually really strenuous on the eyes on steam deck tbh

The eagle eye view makes everything too small on the screen

[split shuttle]

for me its fine

i play it on steam deck and its not really hard on the eyes

[jolly hound]

just wait til you’re old

Handheld mode on switch is basically 10 fear. Vow of old age

[tranquil wren]

lol

is there no way to change the scaling?

[jolly hound]

On switch, don’t think so. I stick to turn based stuff on handheld mode (or read a book)

Can’t justify the switch 2 expense and switch 1 controller buttons are so damn tiny

[simple epoch]

I can never recall. Does attack modifers also apply to the omega attack?

[pallid cradle]

at what age does this hit? I'm 30 and still don't have this issue.

[jolly hound]

35 and I’ve had crap vision my whole life so if you don’t already wear glasses you may have another ten years or so

[pallid cradle]

I've somehow managed 20/20 vision for 30 years in a family where I'm the only person without glasses over the age of 20

Beating the genetic odds

[jolly hound]

must be nice

[queen cosmos]

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

The coat is boring af

[tranquil wren]

clearly you have not seen the wonders of hestia/poseidon on attack (mel/nyx aspects)

[jolly hound]

Zeus static shock helps a lot too

[split shuttle]

or hestia poseidon and zeus on special (nyx)

[jolly hound]

hestia goes extra hard on nyx w the double scorch

[queen cosmos]

I should switch to hades 1 again after a few more final runs on olympus and underground to meet chronos

It just feels nostalgic already, even though its not been long since ive played it

I think its been 2-3 months

[jolly hound]

it's going to throw you for a loop the first few rounds

double dash instead of sprint, cast not a core part of your offense

meg's sultry voice way more distracting than cartoonish scylla

[split shuttle]

also half of the boons being dogwater

at least with hades 2 most of the boons are pretty usable and good

except for few exceptions like reckless

i hate reckless

[crude dragon]

Attack (singular), no

Attacks (plural), yes

[calm flicker]

I slightly wish there was a sundial indoors joke in Hades 2.

[hallow vault]

End of Time is drum ascension

Cause wth is the drummer doing bro is enetering Nirvana

[hallow vault]

Unless its Zeus

[split shuttle]

power surge exists

pretty ass unless u have mirrored thrasher

[hallow vault]

Zeus is in both games the Strongest god

I mean makes sense since he is the King of Gods

[split shuttle]

and lightning lance too (i know on kbm it's good but on controller it's ass)

[jolly hound]

however that combo will win you the run by itself

[split shuttle]

but its so niche

ur not getting that combo every run

and it's not a run winner, u need like more damaging boons to win unless ur running no timer or timer 1

[cursive nacelle]

attack boons, always.
Hammers depends on if they say attack or attacks(meaning includes omegas)

same with special/specials

[worldly quartz]

this game is about to make me pop a blood vessel

I had hera boon for attack and the thing where the same boon cant appear twice

so now I HAVE TO replace it with hestias

[broken creek]

Shouldn't of taken that many hestia boons ig

[worldly quartz]

😔 😔

[broken creek]

I tend to stop at around 3 boons from one god when im running denial

[worldly quartz]

denial isnt even that bad most of the time tbh

[broken creek]

Its super easy to play around yeah

Only time it sucks is when I forget I have to consider it

[plush bay]

nirvana?

[jolly hound]

ngl denial drives me crazy, hordes 3 is at least fun

[worldly quartz]

Im trying to beat my record rn so I set the fear to 37

[worldly quartz]

depending on the weapon its just more satisfying rather than hard

[jolly hound]

I pretty much don’t take vows that screw with my economy i rather just make it spicier with a full kit

[timid vigil]

nah denial is fine

specially considering you can look at it in the book of shadows

and you can purge boons with chrolex

[plush bay]

it kinda feels like the chronos keepsake has solid meme potential

[worldly quartz]

I CAN GET IT BACK

wait you can get sacrifice boons back

even if you had them before in denial

[jolly hound]

it’s actually just excellent

it is hilarious to purge chaos boons in front of nyx but it’s less of a meme and more just gonna make you way stronger when using fates whim

[worldly quartz]

Im assuming hestias 115 scorch is worse than heras 145% damage boost on my thanatos scythe lol

[jolly hound]

Assumption is correct, you want % boost on axe. Go with hestia cast if available

[worldly quartz]

yeah my other options rn are 28% boost bcuz no common boons

and 4 % per god(dess)

so like 20%

[plush bay]

personally it would be funny ash if chronos purged a hades boom but ends up purging hades “you father? gold!”

[worldly quartz]

im just gonna take the attack, im right infront of chronos

[jolly hound]

oh you got hera last second. Yeah do it

[worldly quartz]

4K coins I was praying for that hermes legendary, but when I needed him most he disappeared

[jolly hound]

He’s got some hilarious dialogue in the rivals typhon fight too if you use a hex

[plush bay]

i want his scythe

[jolly hound]

you’ll be fine if you had that much money you have more boons than you need to win

[plush bay]

if there’s EVER a hades 3 there should be hrodreptus and make aspect of chronos one of the aspects

[plush bay]

hermes legendarys kinda useless

especially if gotten anywhere before chronos

or typhon

[worldly quartz]

under this very specific context it is actually useful

[plush bay]

kinda?

[worldly quartz]

other than that ig ye

[plush bay]

cuz you’d be wasting all ur gold

[jolly hound]

If you don’t get hit then it’s irrelevant

[plush bay]

considering you can get things like nightmare and other really good boons

i have no idea how but i managed to have 34 grasp

idk how

[worldly quartz]

yeah I made it to last phase rival chronos

and like 30% health, but I lost

[jolly hound]

Oh it was rivals chronos ok yeah it woulda made some sense there my bad

You’ll get him next time

[worldly quartz]

hopefully, for now tho gotta stop playing to study for exams

roguelikes are too addicting, its like gambling without consequences

[slim pike]

Purging family dispute boons should have responses

[plush bay]

most definitely

[calm flicker]

I wish Hades' boons were level 2/rare after the main campaign to show his increased strength.

[craggy totem]

You just know pops is going "Well I'm not gonna be SOFT on my kid"

[subtle shoal]

considering there's unique dialogue for every little thing i'm surprised they don't already

[craggy totem]

(Never mind that our girl already done did a whole child soldier childhood)

[slim pike]

They're already bonkers good without rarity

[worldly quartz]

it should make it so the one whos boon you purged starts attacking you instead

[subtle shoal]

gigaros dash/scorn is so good

[slim pike]

Deep dissent heroic would be like. -70% enemies?

[craggy totem]

That's a good point too, some of his stuff has hard-coded effects

[subtle shoal]

yeah dissent is rly helpful esp in the second phase with his healing adds

[slim pike]

Old grudge already hits hp weakpoints

[calm flicker]

Hum. I was told Cinerary Circle (summon 200 DMG Soul Urns) wasn't so powerful.

[slim pike]

Well that's bad

[craggy totem]

I mean, there are specific blessings which are less powerful, yeah

I think it's more a commentary on, like, the overall power or the peak power, rather than the bottom of the barrel, as it were

My personal ranking of 'em as far as how pleased I am to see 'em (averaged out between jpom and Tartarus):

1. Deep Dissent
2. Gigaros Dash
3. Life Tax
4. Old Grudge / Unseen Ire / Howling Soul (depends on the run circumstances)
5. Cinerary Circle
6. Last Gasp (#strengthgang)

[raw kraken]

its not

[calm flicker]

Good.

I like Cinerary Circle.

[raw kraken]

gigaros dash is pretty fun

[calm flicker]

That's such an easy pick for me. I like Howling Soul, but ranged cast boons dissonate with Messenger I equip on certain builds.

[slim pike]

200 power and sticky casts is pretty nice

[crude dragon]

Also some weak homing

That being said, I generally dislike ranged casts

[slim pike]

Lance for ease of use, coal for fourth degree, tipsy shot for portable howitzer

[calm flicker]

I wish Dionysus' alcohol mortar boon wasn't so hard to get.

[crude dragon]

Usually when I'm doing a Cast-based build, I'm already in the fray and looking to dump it on the enemies around me

[slim pike]

Winner's circle is the best

[calm flicker]

I really like Winner's Circle. Too bad it dissonates with Demeter, Aphrodite, & Zeus' Ring boons.

[craggy totem]

I haven't run the math, but is it possible that lower rarities of Winner's Circle actually don't clash with Rapture?

[slim pike]

Not as much as you think

Demeter wants you to place it in different places more

[craggy totem]

Cos stock Rapture is slightly faster than once per sec

[slim pike]

You always get 2 pulses no matter the rarity. 4 normally

[craggy totem]

Damb.... RIP

[slim pike]

The only real conflict on winner's circle is supernova

And charon

[craggy totem]

I get it with Demeter bc Freeze has such a long CD anyway, but that does genuinely kinda suck for Aphro

Weak is low CD and you lose out on the CC from the pull

and the damage that is actually quite good with jpom

[calm flicker]

Is that the Apollo boon that steadily increases the Cast's radius?

[craggy totem]

Yep

[calm flicker]

Casts are such a safe move when the player can dash whilst channeling it.

[slim pike]

Just place it again. Casting is also quicker

[mortal dragon]

Darn I never take deep dissent does it really make that much of a difference?

[broken creek]

Yeah

For chronos it gets rid of the miniboss in p1 rivals, and in p3 rivals his ad spawns can just not happen

And for typhon it halves the eggs and gets rid of the ground spinning tendril things iirc

It makes them both 10x safer and more consistent

[craggy totem]

And reducing the hourglasses' effectiveness even in normal Chronos p2 is great

Those things are damn annoying

[broken creek]

Imo gigaros and dissent are easily the best 2, life tax and unseen are easy follow ups, everything else is kinda buns

[craggy totem]

Naw bruv Howling Soul is situationally really good

[broken creek]

Howling soul sometimes just misses, old grudge can ruin early scripting for chronos, last gasp is whatever

Cinerary doesnt do anything really icl

[craggy totem]

I grant you it's a small slice of situations but it exists ;D

[broken glen]

Agreed, though with the caveat that I’m always excited to see life tax (generally good) but not ALWAYS excited to see gigaros (that’s not doing much on Charon for example)

[craggy totem]

just dont play charon ezpz kof

[broken creek]

Atp just dont play charon as charon

The 65f clear ignored the aspect lmao

[broken glen]

Yeah, but I really want to play Charon sometimes

[broken creek]

Gigaros just so grossly changes the start of the game its insane

[slim pike]

Ignored the aspect, played like the real charon

bonk

[broken glen]

Hhhrrrrnnnngggg

Someone should texture swap the aspect of Charon with an oar

[slim pike]

Atropos, Charon and Tisiphone walk into a bar...

They all order a hurrrrrghhhhhhnnn

[broken glen]

…and the bartender can understand and distinguish each of them perfectly

[slim pike]

But throws them all out for bringing in weapons

[broken glen]

The bartender is Dionysus

[slim pike]

Everyone gets an epic hangover and takes 800 damage

[tropic ravine]

I feel like Charon would LOVE ambrosia

[calm flicker]

I wish Hephastus' Gain boon had a cooldown or condition instead of a meager, passive DMG reduction.

[slim pike]

Wait until you get it to say -10 via a sacrifice boon

[open nimbus]

Mmmurder?

[slim pike]

One bloody mary, coming up

[calm flicker]

I wish Hestia's Rush boon granted "+3s grace period from fire hazards" instead of "maximum of 1 DMG received from fire hazards".

[merry whale]

just let mel walk on fire tbh tbh

old ones remember when hestia rush deleted projectiles

[calm flicker]

Maybe. This isn't like Silksong where 40% of all environments & enemies/bosses deal fire DMG, providing massive value to the fire resistance trinket. There's Asphodel, Unrivaled Cerberus, & Thessaly. Doesn't exactly reap much value for Hestia's Rush boon's secondary effect.

[merry whale]

ye for a game with elements on boons it's funny they didn't give enemies particular elements

[crude dragon]

TBF, would you like it moved back to the Legendary?

[pallid cradle]

God no. The new one is already mid enough. We don't need to go back to totally worthless legendary

[jolly hound]

example? I just fate altered every time I get it ngl

does hestia dash let someone walk over Prometheus fire

[pallid cradle]

People who were upset when they changed the Hestia dash are my favorite. It went from probably the worst dash in the game to one of the best.

[calm flicker]

I was told DMG-oriented Rush boons are lackluster barring Poseidon's.

[craggy totem]

It synergizes well with Apollo cast, and if you get it in Tartarus while running any DOT cast at all, it's good for guaranteeing damage on Chronos

[slim pike]

Nexus rush is pretty good ngl

[calm flicker]

No. Hera's Rush boon applies a Curse. I'm talking about Ares, Zeus, etc.

[slim pike]

It does that too

It's a heavy hitter if you compare damage numbers

[jolly hound]

ah that's not bad i suppose

[calm flicker]

That's just it. The Rush boons that apply Curses can also deal DMG. Zeus, Hestia, Ares, & Poseidon's Rush boons only deal DMG.

[jolly hound]

shoutout demeter dash, clear out wards and slow down bad guys

[calm flicker]

Demeter's Rush is pretty cool.

Pun unintentional

[pallid cradle]

Zeus dash was nice in the original form

When it struck more but consumed magick

[safe heart]

Anyone know of a longer runs mod for Hades II, similar for the one for the first game, that increased the number of rooms in each location? Also, is there a specific channel to talk mods?

[crude dragon]

Them bringing the MP consumption would let it give Power Surge a reason to exist, which can't happen

[broken glen]

check out the hades 2 modding discord server (pinned in #self-promotion !) There's an infinite runs mod in there

[brave lily]

Dude I made it to ||Cronos|| with 3088 coins left.. Please Charon, take my money 💔

[storm glen]

power surge was bad even on that build lmao

[final saddle]

This isn’t like Silksong in a lot of ways

[calm flicker]

Why'd you @ me over that?

[final saddle]

Accidental

I did mean to reply tho, but I musta missed the click to turn off the ping, mb lol 😅

[tropic ravine]

What’s the best aspect for the coat and the staff?

They both feel underwhelming

[tropic ravine]

I’ve been pinging people this entire time?!

[final saddle]

Apparently

[calm flicker]

Nyx is heavily coveted in high fear. I personally favor Shiva, but Selene is fun for a while, if only to play with its Hex.

[crude dragon]

Best Coat is Nyx, best staff is not Momus

Three of the best 5 weapons in the game are the non-Momus staves (with the other ones being Medea Skull and debatably Charon Axe)

[fresh wind]

I havent done Charon runs in so long

Thanatos is just so fun

[calm flicker]

Agreed.

To think a giant-ass scythe has better handling than a giant-ass war axe.

[nova oar]

Staff is Mel or circe

[calm flicker]

I remember doing Charon for the quest. I really didn't like it. Ranged cast -> special. Repeat.

However powerful it was, it wasn't fun.

[fresh wind]

OSpecial just isnt fun to use on Axe

[calm flicker]

Oh. I really hadn't thought about that as someone who favors the Night Arcana.

I just knew it's a safe move, especially versus Polyphemous & the Eryminthian Boar.

[fresh wind]

Does Night Arcana work well with Charon? Ive never found a use case for Night

[calm flicker]

It works best for weapons which the player can cycle their their attack & special (and cast), namely the Witch's Staff.

Well, you'll reap greater DPS with regular attack/special, but that's besides the point.

[nova oar]

Witch staff omegas are ass

[nova oar]

No

[calm flicker]

Like I said, you'll reap greater DPS with regular attack/special.

[calm flicker]

Unfortunately, yes. For most players, the +12 CR isn't enough for players to cycle through their various moves--instead opting for the move that best fits the situation in the first place.

The Night Arcana isn't good.

Or so I'm told. Good or not, it's a fun Arcana that encourages variety in one's moves.

[mortal dragon]

I mean it's good for say, torches

[calm flicker]

It's fun, & it's the cheapest Arcana to trigger Moon, & I don't care for Eternity.

[calm flicker]

Oh... so you're not going to equip Night, @fresh wind?

[viral moat]

yo chat, I just got hades 2 after like 80 hours in hades 1, anything I should know?

[calm flicker]

Did you complete the epilgoue as well as the main campaign?

[viral moat]

nah I sucked, I only got to the credits

had a blast tho

[calm flicker]

Okay uh...
There are far fewer bad boons in Hades 2 than in Hades 1, & don't equip Unseen... I guess.

[calm flicker]

I hadn't seen any noob traps besides Unseen.

[long forum]

Does anyone run the magick regen arcana?

I dont think artificer plus night or artificer plus the slowdown omega arcana are worth it

[nova oar]

And excellence

[nova oar]

No

[calm flicker]

Uuuuuuuuuuugh.

[long forum]

Wait so yes or no to the magick regen arcana

[viral moat]

oh I just meant tips and stuff lmao

like differences between the games and stuff

[calm flicker]

Hm? How does Artificer relate to Night & Eternity?

[long forum]

On one hand it helps slow to start runs but also magick regen gets solved easy

Magick regen is 5 i think which is expensive

The other two ones im assuming are 2 and 3 so artificer slots in with them

Im really bad with the names sorry

[calm flicker]

It's so many a time said Hades 2 is basically Hades 1 but more of it. The biggest difference is the stamina/mana meter.

[viral moat]

also heard the story was worse lmao

ah well

[calm flicker]

Personally, I liked the story. The setting is that the protagonist has to defeat a generically evil bad guy, & that's obviously not as complex as the dynamic Hades & Zagreus had. However, the way the characters reacted to the stakes still brews up some fun. I was also impressed by the epilogue.

[viral moat]

the character dialogue as good as in the first one?

[fresh wind]

I use Unseen on Artemis builds, Supay builds, and "hope I get possessed array" medea builds

[calm flicker]

I really liked the dynamic between Hephastus, his brother, & his parents.

I really can't give you a resolute answer.

I liked Hades 2's dialogue. I can't say if one is better than the other.

[fresh wind]

Hades 2 has better gameplay but the Hades 1's vibes cant be topped

[nova oar]

It's worthless and doesn't work with possessed array

[nova oar]

No to the magic arcana

[amber bane]

I like h2's vibes more

[fresh wind]

Wdym doesnt work with possessed array

[cunning laurel]

isnt unseen 5 per second? whats that gonna do for p array

it might even stop the regen when p array triggers

[glacial light]

Yea it does

[nova oar]

It stops the regen when it triggers

So you get 1 oattack every 6-8 seconds depending on other factors

[fresh wind]

👍

[nova oar]

So yeah not only is it 5 grasp, it's replaced by one boon, and is the worst kind of regen

[analog sail]

I run it when I'm using a weapon which depends on omegas a lot. I hate having to find a good gain early.

[real scarab]

it's enough for some weapons like eos, anubis, supay

for other weapons no I don't use it

[calm flicker]

Ugh. My C & D key is slowly getting worse & worse as my computer creeps ever closer to needing repairs. I can't play with the C key anymore; I can handle that. However, how come Deep Rock Galactic can perfectly respond to my D presses while I need to rebind my "move right" key to friggin' F when playing Hades 2?

[split shuttle]

controller supremacy

[calm flicker]

Don't you gamepad user folk have not-durable thumbsticks?

And if we're doing gamepad vs m&kb meme wars, uh...
Lol. Ranged cast auto-aim.

[split shuttle]

hall effect joysticks exist

[calm flicker]

I have the Steam Deck, so I've been playing the same games with both gamepad and kb&m.

I like kb&m more.

Mostly because I've been growing up with it.

[split shuttle]

fair enough

i was opposite, never really grew up gaming on keyboard

[calm flicker]

Go figure.

I haven't yet tried Hades 2 on the gamepad, because I already know how much I need to retrain my muscle memory.

Are the ranged cast boons so undesirable for gamepad users because of its lackluster auto-aim?

-# (That's another thing. Precision aiming doesn't work on gamepad when auto-aim is expected).

[split shuttle]

lightning lance aiming sucks ass on controller

glowing coal is ok i guess

[calm flicker]

Howling Soul & alcohol mortar?

[split shuttle]

and then howling soul unless u miss it (which i rarely dont) is absolute cinema

i love howling soul i don't get the hate

[glacial light]

BOOOOO

[calm flicker]

I've not heard much hate from it. I guess it shares the same problem with all the other ranged cast boons. Maybe it's disliked because it has competition with Hades' other boons.

[glacial light]

Go back to Hades 1 howling soul enjoyer

[calm flicker]

What about the alcohol mortar boon, @split shuttle?

[split shuttle]

tho id still prefer having no ranged cast at all

whats the alcohol mortar boon

[calm flicker]

Dionysus'.

[glacial light]

Dio cast from the first game

[split shuttle]

i hate it

[glacial light]

But in h2

[split shuttle]

takes too long to come out

[split shuttle]

also im not going back to hades 1 hades 2 easily the better game

[glacial light]

Real

[split shuttle]

most of boons here are pretty usable and good

meanwhile hades 1 half of boons are dogwater

[glacial light]

True

[calm flicker]

What was Howling Soul in Hades 1?

[split shuttle]

hades attack

all of hades boons are based off on hades attack in h1 in some way

[slim pike]

But they didn't give us brimstone, the cowards

[split shuttle]

well except for deep dissent and old grudge cuz they are tied to chronos

[slim pike]

Except it's just lunar ray with trinity

[calm flicker]

Then why'd the mention it here?

[glacial light]

Cuz howling soul is just reskined zag cast

[calm flicker]

Ooh.

I hadn't made that conclusion.

[glacial light]

It's zag cast but actually good

[split shuttle]

only time cast was good in h1 was when aspects used the cast like hera and beowulf

[calm flicker]

Hera Cast in Hades 1?

[glacial light]

Even the you rarely use zag cast

[calm flicker]

Ah, the Heart-Seeking Bow.

[glacial light]

Hera bow 🏹

[calm flicker]

Ha, I said it first.

It's nonetheless strange I forgot about it. That was my main aspect for the Coronacht.

[glacial light]

W choice

[calm flicker]

I enjoyed pairing Hera's Bow with Aphrodite & Dionysus' Shot boons.

[split shuttle]

as a newbie in h1 i preferred chiron bow tbh

[glacial light]

Not the worst choice ngl

[calm flicker]

Chiron scales really hard as it levelled up. I thought it fecund sucked.

[restive ibex]

god zag cast was awful at base

[glacial light]

Fr

[restive ibex]

i think the only good zag casts was either Athena, Aphrodite(very heavy questionability), or Ares

actually Dionysus cast was pretty decent

[glacial light]

Chain lightning and crystal pylon

[restive ibex]

at least Melinoë cast is good without any boons

[glacial light]

Chain lightning + flurry cast was just lore accurate Zeus XD

[glacial light]

Too bad I didn't use it up till night 300

Don't mind dyno it's racist to Australians

[restive ibex]

i was worried that message actually went through

[restive ibex]

i'm not even aussie i just have a sailor mouth and Forgot about the filter

[glacial light]

It did for .1 seconds then Dino ing murdered you

[restive ibex]

it was just a comment on how stygian blade special dealt more damage than base zag cast

[restive ibex]

curse of dyno

[glacial light]

Dyno hates me and @nova oar specifically {we are Australian} (get pinged nerd)

[restive ibex]

[nova oar]

Screw you

[glacial light]

Hello nerd

[restive ibex]

dude I need to play more h2 but darkest dungeon has held me in a chokehold lately

[nova oar]

@calm flicker

[glacial light]

Has thou considered having both open at the same time

[restive ibex]

both take too much brainpower

gotta worry about all the scary things in Hades and all the scary things in the dungeon

[limpid oar]

Why are there so many Australians in this community?

[errant crow]

yoo question -- if you're using a god's boon keepsake like cloud bangle for instance and it triggers, but then later on the keepsake ranks up -- does it let you use its effect a second time? I went to swap the boon out but I'm noticing it doesn't say that its effect has expired for the night.

[split shuttle]

yeah

thats a weird quirk of keepsakes that rarify

[limpid oar]

Shout-out to the cherished heirloom lion fang combo 🔥

[split shuttle]

70% global dmg boost in tart endshop 🔥

absolute cinema

[limpid oar]

People who wantler tart every run miss out on a lot of fun

[split shuttle]

nah antler is life

[sweet carbon]

what to do after 100% hades 1 & 2, even played some cult of the lamb to fix the pain

[broken creek]

62f

[nova oar]

62 fear

[viral creek]

Speedrun (62 fear)

[sweet carbon]

nah im actually fine with the third trophy the gameplay is not "more" fun with more fear… i also need story to drive the gameplay… sitting there and re-doing the same run on max fear just to have it done… not my type of fun

[broken creek]

We arent saying max lol

Max is evil, 62 is a lot easier than youd think

[sweet carbon]

does its unlock hidden story or… how comes 62 then?

just did the trophys and stopped the fear runs 😄

[broken creek]

No, and cuz the last 5 is void which just makes the game not fun(im trying it rn)

Ive gotten to gramps 3 times 🥀

[viral creek]

How did you 100% and need more story 🤦

[sweet carbon]

? bro like every game mr buckets

ever played a video game? 😄

[viral creek]

Did you not already finish it

[sweet carbon]

!? juch ok i guess IQ is just dropping below my standards here im out

[viral creek]

🤷

[sweet carbon]

endgame may be fun but it needs story too… i can't just re-play the same "mechanics" over and over again without anything driving me… even games like wow with daily quests got that at some point

[viral creek]

Experiment with new builds

Sometimes you find cool stuff and occasionally beat a new pb fear

[sweet carbon]

im sorry for my mean answer ahead… im just mad today

[viral creek]

Its fine just go play 62 fear to cool off 😂

[sweet carbon]

yessir!

[viral creek]

Seriously though playing mid fear is pretty fun

I've never played high fear

[sweet carbon]

first i gotta watch the highlights NYK vs GSW my man buckets might be flying again

[nova oar]

Fear is fun and games until you have to turn on forfiet and pain

[viral creek]

Real but hordes is just my least favourite its not enjoyable at all

[nova oar]

Eh I like hordes

Bigger numbers at the end of the run

[split shuttle]

forfeit is free fear unless ur running supay tbh

[glacial light]

High fear is fun if you've got good mental (currently have 200 non consecutive losses for 60f (150 60f losses till I did 32f 10th try then 50 more losses to 60f)

[nova oar]

Yeah but makes erebus boring as

[split shuttle]

or if ur cracked

[full wing]

Was 64 fear beaten on this game yet

[broken creek]

64 isnt the max and yes 67 has been done

By about 8 different people ~20 times

[full wing]

You're kidding

It can't be that number

ANYTHING BUT THAT NUMBER PLEASE

[glacial light]

Was that number before the meme

SUPERGIANT FREE US FROM THE HELL

Give us +1 fear somewhere please increase how much fear void gives if you must

[full wing]

SUPERGIANT FREE US FROM CHRONOS

...wait. That's our job.

[rough lintel]

i got a 44 boons run

[long forum]

I think the answer is also that if you can let a game rest if you 100% it

Fear is for the most part just gameplay stuff (minus vow of rivals dialogue)

But also

Im comfortably winning at 32 fear and im scared to increase anything else now 😭

[amber bane]

it took me about the same time to conquer 50f as it took to go from 0f to 32 (vor includeed in both)

the difficulty has been fun for the most part, the only truly "unfun" fear for me has been vow of return, it's just more running around

[slim pike]

Void 4 is unfun

As is debt, even if it's relatively minor

[amber bane]

chrolex makes debt irrelevant

void 4 is so insane I dont even count it anymore, truly there's levels to this...

[long forum]

I so far havent changed anything that affects my playstyle tbh which is what im worried about

How is the stuff that gives 1 hit of barrier

Also. Is void the one that reduces grasp, cuz that looks not fun

[slim pike]

Yes

[hallow vault]

This Game binded me but im rn at Hades

Im hopping between these 2 but Hades 2 is probably my Favorite Game of 2025

[slim pike]

Void 4 for 5 fear or rivals 4 for 10

[hallow vault]

Hades is also still Peak

I mean i have like 400 hours in it so i loved it too 😭

Between 3 Platforms i bought it 3 Times thats how much i Love Hades

[slim pike]

Forfeit is also unfun

[long forum]

Forfeit doesnt seem too bad but thats probably because it hurts more at high fear

[slim pike]

It really stunts assembling your build and makes Time 3 horrible in the first zone, particularly on some aspects

[icy halo]

Are perfect catches not a thing in this game or am I just inexplicably much worse at the identical catching minigame this time around?

[nova oar]

They're not

[icy halo]

Oh I searched and yes 😄

[full wing]

Reminds me of additional movesets for bosses in Hades 1

I was pretty content with beating a run with that on its maximum setting, far as i'm concerned i've beaten the game.

[opal cargo]

oh my goodness trying to get my last prophecy (everything else is 100% done on this save) and i have been running a build i hate because it's required to get fate's trimmings from narcissus and 20ish attempts (at going specifically for this) in, he started doing his thing where he doesn't give you gifts for several runs

genuinely the only time this game has frustrated me and it's doing so in a big way. he just wont offer it and i have no idea how long this continues but that's four times now and im just dying intentionally in the room after him because i hate running with rerolls and no fate's whim

[hallow vault]

Hardest bosses in btoh games is the title screen

Cause both are peak

Game is also a massive sucess

Heard aroundf 3mil units sold on Steam

And it was in Top charts of eshop for months lol so i guess easily they made a profit lol

[lament root]

Sometimes boons display as tracked but I can't figure out what they are a prerequisite for

[nova oar]

Tracked boons are just random

[lament root]

???

What? Most of the time it works tho?

[nova oar]

oh as in the forget me not

[lament root]

Yeah

What where you thinking of?

[nova oar]

you can check the codex

highlighted boons, like the thing at the end of runs

completely forgot you can forget me not boons, memorised most of them before it was addded

[lament root]

I did! I checked every boon for the relevant god and found nothing

[nova oar]

which boons did u have marked

[lament root]

I'll be back when I have checked every god

[nova oar]

You don't have to I can probably tell you

[crude dragon]

Is it a pink forget-me-not icon in the top right, or a bulleted list icon in the bottom right?

[lament root]

A couple of duo boons. The only ones from Apollo do not require the boon that showed up as tracked

[nova oar]

Ah ok

[lament root]

Yes, tracked boons show a forget me not icon. fated choices show the list

bug report time I guess

where do I bug report?

[nova oar]

F10 ingame

[lament root]

thanks 👍

Though I think I just realized why the boon was tracked

It gave fire and I needed one more fire for hermes infusion boon that I'm also tracking 🤦‍♂️

[nova oar]

😭 😭

[smoky rover]

hades isn't olympian, right? scorn is not a curse?

[devout cairn]

u r correct

[nova oar]

He's a chthonic god yeah, same deal with selene being a titan

[smoky rover]

I'll dm you if you do not mind

[honest fiber]

Does Experimental Hammer count for the Fated List or it has to be with a real hammer ?

[smoky rover]

I believe you have to choose it, not have it

[nova oar]

That's fine

[grave kernel]

unintentionally just set my new record surface run of 11 minutes (albeit no heat), Supay's kinda crazy

[split shuttle]

goated pfp btw

[nova oar]

Could've been sub 10 with frenzy 😔

[sudden eagle]

I'm at the point where I can beat both routes consistently but that chin slam… I'm eating it nearly each time. I press dash when [redacted] flashes red, but am I dodging it too early?

[broken creek]

It's actually super inconsistent to iframe without frenzy

[grave kernel]

I'm at the point where I can dodge it almost every time

same for manipulating him to do the move

[broken creek]

Id recommend just respecting the move entirely assuming frenzy0, frenzy1/2 it gets a lot more intuitive

[nova oar]

If you're not expecting it then you may just not be going far enough

I always dash out when he goes up in a certain way or iframe into him

[grave kernel]

Wasn't trying to set records, if I was, probably would have been even quicker, still trying to progress surface-character charts

[sudden eagle]

I can predict his attack but my timing is not accurate. Most attack animations are dash cancelable, I can just blame myself for being bad at the game

[foggy sable]

wow ive honestly forgotten how strong fine line could be

[minor wolf]

Hey, silly question, but is there a way for me to play and stream the game without spoiling the story for people who haven't played the 1st game?
Like a way to hide major characters and dialogue n stuff?

[jolly hound]

not really, no

you could skip all the dialogue i guess

[minor wolf]

damn, alright

well yeah thats what i was thinking

I got Hades 1 for 2 of my girlfriends and they love it but theyre kinda very early game still

[jolly hound]

2 of my girlfriends ok

[minor wolf]

and I wanna stream hades 2 to them

[jolly hound]

[minor wolf]

Much like the gods I am poly yes, but thats besides the point

[jolly hound]

it's likely a better use of virtual date night to have one of them stream hades 1 and you coach

[minor wolf]

its more fun if they find out stuff themselves

tho yes I agree, the moment one of them beat meg was very fun

[jolly hound]

short answer tho no, i dont see how you can no-spoilers hades 2 streaming

[visual raven]

im crying i just died to ||last phase of typhon rival fight||

[tranquil wren]

sad times

[slim pike]

Dash away, don't iframe it

it's three overlapping expanding circles, it's extremely hard to iframe that

[still mantle]

Wait... why was typhon kinda easy

Only boss I've first tried

[slim pike]

he's very telegraphed but heavy hitting

also you might have just run away with a good build

[visual badge]

is it just boated thats done 67 fear on either end?

[jolly hound]

if you have a convincing win over prometheus, typhon won't be a problem usually *rivals nonwithstanding

[still mantle]

My first time trying out charon axe

[still mantle]

Sharon axe level 1 aprodite attack island getaway giga cleaver

Plus trippy shot 2.. UM i mean tipsy shot from dionysyus

Charon axe really saw aspect of beowulf and went "hold my beer"

[slim pike]

No, Medea said that

[still mantle]

Medea saw merciful end

[slim pike]

yeah but cast loading into a rush attack?

[still mantle]

And decided "let's make something arguably better just be a weapon aspect"

[slim pike]

except now attack loading

[still mantle]

I guess that's true

But charon really hits the "cast nuke" feel

It feels like im playing dionysyus cast build

But cluster bombs is also there

[broken glen]

Medea is Beowulf. Charon is Beowulf with the charged shot hammer

[still mantle]

Its beowulf with cluster bombs

[calm flicker]

Hera is Beowulf.

[slim pike]

there is no aspect of hera in H2

that's also in H1 and looks weirdly out of place with how she dresses now

[calm flicker]

I'm talking about the fact that Hera's bow also loads Casts.

[slim pike]

yeah but it's quite different

there's alternate flare casts in H1 for Beowulf only, Hera casts still work as normal

[calm flicker]

While it's indeed a retcon, I don't think it's a great leap of the imagination to say she changed her look in the time between.

[broken glen]

I like the implication that the aesthetics of the gods change over time. Hestia was a lot younger when she wielded exagryph, and also with Demeter when she wielded Malphon. It’s likely that hera just used to be into skulls

[slim pike]

While you're there, just imagine Hestia with the Rail

Thinking about it, there's a god on each of the infernal arms isn't there? Posideon, Hades, Zeus, Hera, Demeter and Hestia

[calm flicker]

I've only seen fanart of young Demeter with the Twin Fists.

[slim pike]

never really noticed that

[broken glen]

Well of course there’s gods, but there isn’t an Olympian on every infernal arm (hades is not an Olympian)

[slim pike]

no, but they all wielded them before they were known as Olympians

and they're all related

[calm flicker]

The older gods to be more specific.

Although, Aphrodite lacks one.

[crude dragon]

The 6 children of Kronos (or in SGG continuity, Chronos's sons and Hyperion's daughters)

[calm flicker]

Isn't Aphrodite born from the severed todger of Chronos or Cronos or Urounos or whoever the tartarus?

In the original myth, i specify.

[crude dragon]

Yes

And that's implied it's how she was born in the Hades canon

[sick fractal]

I can't believe this just happened. I beat the surface beginning to end WITHOUT LOSING A SINGLE LIFE. I beat Typhon and not only that I beat him for the final time. Time to get chronos finally

[calm flicker]

Was she? I thought Supergiant wanted to wholly remove all incest, & she being born from Chronos would've made a problem with her & Hephastus. I figure she was born from some other titans which are yet to be named if or when the writers want to touch on that.

[crude dragon]

As in she's born from Ouranos's remains (like the Furies were born from the Titans' spilled blood)

She's always mentioned to be far older than she looks, and even has dialogue about how she was around for the first Golden Age and disliked how stagnant it was

[calm flicker]

Thanks for the Furies facts, but I didn't disagree that Aphrodite isn't old. She matches the age of Zeus & stuff.

I commented on the fact that she apparent didn't wield any of the Fate-Forged weapons in Supergiant's canon. I also wonder if she's related to Chronos or Hyperion in Supergiant's canon.

[grave kernel]

Poseidon went from being one of my least favourite boons in H1 to one of my favourites in H2

[calm flicker]

Hephastus is my favorite.

[wise wave]

Did you have dodge or block?

[gleaming canopy]

Indeed. Goodbye, better fishing. Hello "Hahaha, yes!".

[grave kernel]

"Have Another"

Sea Star's fun

[final saddle]

I was texting that lol

[gleaming canopy]

I don't care if I throw the run. Nothing beats hearing Poseidon's laugh.

[tropic ravine]

I knew I wasn’t the only one who found poseidons laugh interesting

Though his boons are ahh

*except ocean swell

[sharp current]

can anyone help me with how to complete icarus? i have everything completed except for him, i keep going to the surface but he doesnt show up (+10 runs), i thought he was bugged or something so i went down 2 runs and he showed up and said are we meeting on the surface or you gonna keep going to the underworld? it says i cant gift him ambrosia until we have had more time to reconnect

[tropic ravine]

Person with 80 hours here it just takes a long time talk to him every time you can

[grave kernel]

Icarus is taking ages for me as well, just the way it is

[sharp current]

150 hours here, and like i said everything is literally done

[tropic ravine]

When did you start giving him gifts?

[sharp current]

he been locked for ages now

[tropic ravine]

Has he mentioned that ||he makes the hammers?||

I think that’s one of the chats you need with him to progress

[sharp current]

i have no idea tbh

[tropic ravine]

Hmm

[sharp current]

im doing last surface run, lets see if he shows up this run

[tropic ravine]

Idk then sorry I’m stuck in the same boat as well

Just gotta do a lot of runs

[gleaming canopy]

In my Rivals IV run above, I don't exactly remember what I did pick, but Wave Strike +2 + Black Coat felt pretty strong on Olympus. I think I also picked Nimble Limbs, High Surf and Slippery Slope.

[sharp current]

i was just hoping someone would said i need to do a specific thing to progress but i guess its just chatting and my luck isnt there

[fresh wind]

What annoys me about Poseidon is how Slippery Slope (the one where splashes inflict Froth) is locked behind going with Poseidon for Attack/Special boons

[tropic ravine]

By ahh I meant not as good as other olympians but he can be good sometimes

I almost never see him in my runs which is weird, but poseidon is my favourite

[grave kernel]

Poseidon's damage boons are good with fast-attacking weapons, his Dash is good with Supay

[gleaming canopy]

Checked it. Got Wave Strike +2, Slippery Slope, Water Fitness and Hermes' Racing Thoughts. I guess I just click really fast.

[wary vale]

anyway to reset a run other than dying?

[slim pike]

yes

[restive ibex]

"How about two?"

[slim pike]

There's a late game incantation called Acceptance of Another Fate

[tropic ravine]

Verrrrry late game

[slim pike]

basically lets you re-roll the random seed of a run before starting

[gleaming canopy]

It's post epilogue, though.

[sharp current]

wait how

[tropic ravine]

I think it’s just more for speedrunners because in the base game you HAD to show you losing a run fist on purpose

[fresh wind]

Salute the Vows thing

[slim pike]

Salute the altar

[wary vale]

oof okay time to do more runs

[gleaming canopy]

I've been trying two runs to try and force Icarus spawn by re-rolling. Had no luck.

[sharp current]

next to where icarus stands?

[fresh wind]

No

Between the surface/underworld entrances

[tropic ravine]

Don’t do that, if you do the Icarus pity won’t work

[gleaming canopy]

Thanks for the tip.

[sharp current]

i usually die at eris and rerun

[grave kernel]

I don't like intentionally dying, Icarus can just unlock whenever he feels like it

[gleaming canopy]

Guess I'll keep hoarding the hammer on Thessaly and collecting Typhoon eyes.

[sharp current]

i do it because i got nothing left

[fresh wind]

I didnt realize that having the Gust sprint boon makes avoiding base Hecate's hex so free lol

[tropic ravine]

Hades 2 devs pleaaaaase nerf how long it takes for Icarus to trust melinoe

[slim pike]

Gust is deceptively powerful

[daring spear]

yeeh also works wonders for the rival

[gleaming canopy]

Yes, please. 9% of spawn chance is ridiculous. I don't find Icarus' gifts so strong to keep his spawn chance so low. Maybe they are, but still.

[tropic ravine]

Could someone give me some tips on what fear I should turn on? I have shadow, frenzy , time, hubris and I might put rivals on as well

[calm flicker]

Poseidon's "Splash" has a cooldown of 0.15s.

[broken glen]

Icarus rooms are a nightmare on high fear please no

[tropic ravine]

How so?

[slim pike]

so long

[fresh wind]

Love when you complete an encounter then Icarus shows up to "help" you by extending the encounter

[broken glen]

The spawn limit for enemies is massively increased, and Icarus usually won’t show up for a while (he’s not that helpful either)

[fresh wind]

Yeah I never notice Icarus actually killing enemies lmao

[tropic ravine]

Whaat his attack boon is so good

[broken glen]

He basically turns into the harbinger of death

[tropic ravine]

His attack sucks

[grave kernel]

Yeah...was starting to wonder if guest character intervenes like Icarus, Artemis etc make the rooms harder

[fresh wind]

I feel like Artemis is about the same

[broken glen]

Artemis is usually fine, but Athena sucks. She usually spawns in AFTER I’ve killed the last enemy

[fresh wind]

Or at least feels way less annoying

[sharp current]

i had this but had no idea what it does

[broken glen]

She takes her sweet time showing up and meanwhile I’m getting slaughtered by summit enemies and auto watchers

[fresh wind]

And at least the speedrun timer stops during those

Which I didnt realize til recently

[tropic ravine]

Thing is artemis isn’t really that bad since your gonna be in Oceanus/ephyra/the first underworld world

[sharp current]

i miss hades 1 artemis

[tropic ravine]

That’s why speedrunners use her in mourning fields, timer is paused if you don’t talk to her so they can look around

[broken glen]

While Athena (or any other NPC) is in the room, the timer will be paused. Try taking the Gorgon amulet in fields, and not talking to Athena when she shows up- she’ll just stand there and pause the timer so you can collect all of the other minor rewards first

[broken glen]

Oh hey I was just about to say that

[tropic ravine]

lol

Do you speedrun?

[broken glen]

I mean casually

[tropic ravine]

Same

[fresh wind]

Interesting strat

Interesting bc im not entirely sure how worth it it is lol

[grave kernel]

handy advise for if I do +3 time

[tropic ravine]

Most speedrunners do this

[broken glen]

Like I’m not competitive but I’ve gone up to like 50f and I watch runners for tech

[tropic ravine]

I can never understand people who do like 50 fear

[fresh wind]

Im sure the ppl who actually speedrun know better than me but

[sharp current]

because not everyone can?

[tropic ravine]

Saves soooo much time just looking around

[grave kernel]

I'm not one of those who does high-fear runs often either

[tropic ravine]

Im looking forward to practising though

[sharp current]

im too old to do high fear runs

[fresh wind]

I dont feel like the minor rewards are worth grabbing in a speedrun anyway, although being able to get the room layout in general seems useful

[tropic ravine]

Yeah it’s mainly just for finding room layout and main rewards

[fresh wind]

Might try it

[broken glen]

It makes the game feel like how it did when I first started! It’s challenging, risky, and makes you learn new things

[fresh wind]

Ive been doing speedruns but not really familiar with the "meta" for them

[grave kernel]

Fields I can tolerate if I don't have timer on, annoying otherwise

[tropic ravine]

For keepsakes it’s: if fates whim Jpom, if not probably zeus, then leaf, athena, and white antler

[fresh wind]

Athena even with JPom start?

[tropic ravine]

Jpom is just for a head start

[broken glen]

People will even take Athena in fields on FW if their build is mostly complete and their hades boon isn’t essential (like a used up life tax)

[tropic ravine]

A really good one at that

[fresh wind]

Yeah I go jpom > fig leaf > mix of diff things depending on run > antler

[broken glen]

Whantler is scary at first but it makes you feel unstoppable

[fresh wind]

Yeah the only times ive forgone it is when I was on a clear PB pace without it

And no armor/snow queen etc

[broken glen]

Another notable keepsake for high fear more so than speedrunning is the engraved pin

[fresh wind]

I take chrolex in act 3 sometimes even on 0 debt

[broken glen]

I mean even playing casually taking it on r4 gives you 10 seconds of invincibility to blast through a phase of the final boss

(Of course, this is assuming you’re using death)

[fresh wind]

Yeah ive thought of that too

But using strength usually

[broken glen]

Yeah strength is the go for speed if you’re confident but death is the only choice once you turn things like scars on

[fresh wind]

I havent done fear runs in awhile bc ive been speedrunning

Going from 14 to 40+ fear will be an adjustment lol

[calm flicker]

Oh? It makes sense Death is superior for max lv Vow of Scars, but doesn't Strength get more mileage out of healing below that?

[honest wren]

Hey yall i wanna try using the pom, whats a good arcana set for it?

[calm flicker]

Boatman, I suppose. Strength is slightly weaker when Fates' Whim excludes Gorgon Amulet.

Do you have all 3 Fates' Whim trinkets?

[calm flicker]

This is my usual Fates' Whim build for Death:
https://hades.teheidoma.space/#224869

[honest wren]

Word tysm

And ya

I just wanna level up all my stuff and ive never used pom so was curious

[dreamy knoll]

any tips for getting the dora & prometheus triggers?
im 80 hours into the game, been talking to both dora and prometheus but havent gotten the dialogues, at some point i used vow of rivals if that messes it up.

[calm flicker]

As someone who fiercely covets __>__rare boons to a fault, I equip Jeweled Pom, Calling Card, & Chrolex in that order. Most other players would equip Chrolex region 2.

[visual badge]

is there a way to guarentee a hammer because im so sick of trying to make a build and hammers ruining it

or reroll them

[grave kernel]

I'm too used to having rerolls to equip keepsakes which require them off

[tranquil wren]

no

[visual badge]

:(

[tranquil wren]

you're rarely ever forced to pick a build-breaking hammer though

[broken glen]

I'm referring mostly to max scars

[visual badge]

Yeah but when I'm trying to build around a specific hammer if I can't get it the build doesn't work properly

[tranquil wren]

oh like that

try to not do that, it's only going to cause you pain

[grave kernel]

yeah, when you only get maybe 2 hammers that you can't reroll, I always try to build around the base kit assuming I won't get good ones

only time I do is if I get a good hammer really early

[sick fractal]

I think I had doge but that didn't matter. Hephestus's blast attacks are what helped me the most

[tribal wharf]

How do people decorate their Crossroads?
I kinda don't wanna just go all in on anything lunar/Selene-related but all of it just happens to look awesome

[honest tulip]

Dang lost my fear 32 run to Hecate because of timer

[final saddle]

I’m still waiting for whatever the contractor is in this game to spawn

But I’d probably either go for whatever the spooky or cozy looks would be

[crude dragon]

Erebus moment

[eager aurora]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1289997184183570554/1462258489157091388/image.png?ex=696d89d7&is=696c3857&hm=6b54c0774071f181426a2508d7717b2d09e4bb629f385cbb3f34002229517104&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=362&height=98

holy crap

[jolly hound]

that’s common

[eager aurora]

Idk man as someone with around 10 40 Heat runs under my belt I will literally always take Divine Dash over pretty much everything. Unless the build really requires a specific dash to create a broken interaction, Divine Dash is good with every build, every weapon, and is simply incredible. I agree with the top post of this comment chain that 8.5 is a little weird for easily the best Dash in the game.

[crude dragon]

I love meta references like that

[nova oar]

You mean in h1 right

[eager aurora]

ydkb

[nova oar]

?

[jolly hound]

Rivals will make it take way longer as using it opens up a whole bunch of new dialogue

[jolly hound]

It means “you don’t know ball”, homies extraordinarily committed to the bit

[dreamy knoll]

ive been trying a bit without rivals as well, maybe 4-5 runs and i still cant the dialogue i need

[eager aurora]

those who know 💀

[nova oar]

Ah

It's hella mid in h2 tho, never worth taking

[eager aurora]

watch who ur talking to lil bro

im THE aspect of level 50 divine dash

[cunning laurel]

turns out it stinks when you aren't in a dash 90% of every encounter

[nova oar]

It's a bad boon

[eager aurora]

u dont say that to me

learn some respect

[cunning laurel]

?

[opal cargo]

narcissus choosing to do the thing where he withholds gifts for like 5 runs in the middle of me doing 25+ attempts with the stupid rerolls on to get Fate's Trimmings (my last prophecy total) is infuriating

[nova oar]

Not when you're wrong

[errant crow]

Does Volcanic Flourish proc twice when you have the hammer upgrade for axe that the special hits twice?

the omega special that is?

[cunning laurel]

blasts are always just a cooldown

[errant crow]

ah okay, cheers

[craggy totem]

I suppose you could argue that it does proc twice.... but because it's on cooldown during the second one, that blocks it ;P

[eager aurora]

if u get it high level enough

[craggy totem]

There's a hard cap on how low you can get blast CDs down to

[eager aurora]

oh 1984

[nova oar]

Lowest you can get blasts is still either 1.5 or 1.65

With double blast it gets lower

[eager aurora]

thats lame asf

[nova oar]

Would be funny on smth like blades if you could get it below 1s

[brave lily]

Odysseus saying that there has got to be a better word for journey.. Damn, I dunno, how about an ODYSSEY

[nova oar]

Why did that take you so long to type

[brave lily]

Im yelling at the screen

[storm glen]

genuine question when did you become this much of a hater

[nova oar]

I've always been this much of a hater

[storm glen]

lie

[craggy totem]

She's been this much of a hater for at least four months

[nova oar]

Why 4 months specifically

[craggy totem]

That's for the gods to know and you to guess

[spare orchid]

Anyone else catch Darren Korb and Ashley Barrett's set in NYC tonight? So freaking cool

[eager aurora]

j*bs bro

🥀

[storm glen]

this is untrue i feel like shes gotten worse

like shes gone from bottom 10 server members to easily bottom 1

[nova oar]

Insane work I respect it

[still mantle]

Love it when I find something that isn't relevant to my build but is just too good to ignore

[nova oar]

Me taking static shock every single run

[grave kernel]

that is me with Sea Star if I'm trying to find a specific Poseidon boon, always take it, even if I could reroll. Born Gain from Hera would probably be another one

[still mantle]

I was trying out aspect of eos (im somewhat new) and I just stumbled into an epic glowing coal, hazard boom, and lucid gain.

Free run

Plus I got self healing

And that one dionysyus boon that makes you restore 70% of damage taken at the end of an encounter

[nova oar]

Not hazard boom 😭

[still mantle]

So

Effective immortality

[still mantle]

What's wrong with it?

600 extra damage

Just dont det hit bro

[nova oar]

Denies a whole area that you could be playing around in, and it does a laughable amount of damage for how long it takes, almost any cast boon can be doing more damage