h2-discussion

[slim pike]

...doesn't account for isometry? Weird, okay

[wide wigeon]

I know she gave us the arms but lowk id love to see what boons nyx might have

[slim pike]

Nyx got hands too

yah, here we go, it tries to target active enemies, then pylons, then golden urns

still has the burst fire properties back from when it was released and fired salvos of three attacks

[wide wigeon]

wait do I need to win the trials back to back to get the achievement

[slim pike]

The same one twice, no resets

(Might be wrong about that first bit, but definitely no resets)

[wide wigeon]

wha

so if i lose does it reset

[slim pike]

yep!

Gotta be good in the face of randomness, not just reset until you get lucky

[wide wigeon]

yeah I got mom aspect on great below I died to hecate

[nova oar]

💀

[slim pike]

"Return to shadow, again"

[elfin heron]

When did they nerf Eris? I remember the blessing being 100% flat but I restarted again and it's 40% and climbs. Am I tripping or was this always how it was?

[cursive nacelle]

it been like that always IIRC

maybe in early access but i dont think its ever changed

[torn glade]

Started a new save just to see what playing the game with extensive knowledge is like... Killed Chronos on night 24 on my new save... Didnt get him till night 83 on my orginial game

[limpid oar]

you should keep doing this until you beat him on night 1 🔥

[torn glade]

Is that even possible, what with Eris's "i nerf you hard' debuff

[elfin heron]

It's possible if you don't get hit. I'm not that good yet l. 🙁 Made it to him on night 4 tho

[torn glade]

Yeah.. i made it to tartarus on like night 8 or 9

[elfin heron]

Has it always offered food instead of nectar on night 1? That seemed new to me.

[limpid oar]

even if she debuffed you before Oceanus, that's about full vow of pain levels of damage taken which is like okay. buut if you are below a certain level of health (I don't remember the exact percentage, people in the speedrun discord probably know it off by heart) she doesn't debuff you

[elfin heron]

It's half or a death defiance that makes her spawn. I think it stops night 11 but my last save I didn't get her past 8. She gives gifts 🙂

Origination on night 5 lol

From the fields to Chronos it said her debuff was 85% when I got to him. Skipping the Tartarus rooms.

Idk whether to progress like normal again or see how many wins I can get with arcana and no aspect weapons.

[split shuttle]

u have to be at least 30% hp at end of each region in order not to get eris'd

fountains in fresh file heal 20%

so u have to be at most half hp or else you'll get eris'd

[jolly hound]

just be below half health after each boss and she won’t appear

[oblique hemlock]

hey guys i keep getting clobbered by rivals scylla, any tips? i’ve been going for the tentacles first but there’s just so much going on that i keep getting hit

[worn barn]

so void makes you have 0% of your grasp for arcana — does that mean you can’t enable any 0 cost arcana too, or does it just prevent you from taking arcana that cost grasp? because i know that grasp is the points cost, but boated said in his 67f clear that max void stops you from accessing any of your arcana

[elfin heron]

Max Void means no arcana

The zeroes require points, so no arcana

[jolly hound]

don’t stop moving, it’s ok to hit a tentacle and move on to the next one and finish it later. listen to her songs outside of the fight, familiarity with them will make the fight feel like a rhythm game. blow the tank to the right of Roxy, it’ll phase most of the tentacle by itself and give you a safe spot to stand. hitch goes extremely hard and if you can manage it a godsend hestia hex is about as good as it gets

tentacles TENTACLESSSS

[worn barn]

ah shame

yeesh!

[oblique hemlock]

preciate it i love hitch sm

i normally don’t go for engagement ring but i tried it the other day and it’s powerful af

[jolly hound]

the dash is probably easier to manage vs Scylla in particular but yes, engagement ring is fire

[wintry wharf]

How often do you think Chaos drinks nectar and Ambrosia? Considering they said they still got some stashed from when Zag gifted them

[elfin heron]

I believe he wonders what time in the abyss will do to it.

[wintry wharf]

Aaah

[wide wigeon]

ayy i got the achievement

should i do great chaos above

took me 2 tries for below

[tribal wharf]

Chaos is always drinking nectar and ambrosia, and it is also never drinking it

I interpret Chaos and their realm as just being like
Nonsense, outside of the confines of rigid rules like linear time, and when we show up as Zag/Mel we’re in a pocket of coherence built by Chaos as a courtesy to guests

[crude dragon]

All 0-cost cards have a secondary requirement of needing at least 1 card activated, so no

So you can't just get Judgement and Queen for free

[worn barn]

ahh, shame!

[final saddle]

Being a 1 card min means that you just need a single grasp if you can cut it down that small

[cunning laurel]

well its 6 or 0

[final saddle]

Then Strength + Furies sounds like a great combo

[cunning laurel]

usually its persistence not furies

in uw ive been succeeding more with artificer persistence sorceress/swiftrunner but i also stink

[nova oar]

I would take furies over pers

[river lake]

What’s y’all’s opinion about this game vs the first one? For some reason this game doesn’t grab me like the first one did

Not saying it’s bad. It’s not. In fact it’s pretty damn good. It just doesn’t have the same 9-10/10 quality that the first one had to me.

Especially when it comes to story

I find myself not giving a damn about the story at all, whereas I was fully invested in the first game’s story

[nova oar]

Story is weaker, gameplay is a million times better

[cunning laurel]

so we can expect a 65 from you someday?

[nova oar]

Could I? Yes. Do I want to? No

[river lake]

Not sure I agree. I feel like the combat is more versatile than Hades 1, but Hades 1 feels more polished

[prime slate]

gotta love when sea star lets me reach 569 health without sacrificing much damage

[cunning laurel]

hades 1 is just dash spamming tho

[timid vigil]

I was very invested in the story, until the ending

[river lake]

Glad you enjoyed it. To each their own

[timid vigil]

i also think the side-characters in general have a weaker development, romance options are still great, but other side characters not so much

after the improved ending and reaching the epilogue scene i ended up liking the story a bit more, still think the first game has a better narrative in general

but gameplay is a lot better, so much more depth

[river lake]

Yeah the first game had me looking forward to the next story beat. With this game, I truly have a hard time caring at all

[timid vigil]

have you reached the ending?

[river lake]

Don’t get it twisted, I still like the game. I was just curious how the community feels about this game vs the first

[river lake]

Do you feel like chronos redemption happened too fast?

[tribal wharf]

The first game’s narrative I think is kinda less intense/ambitious and better for it
Hades 2 leans more onto things being dark and serious and the way it still tries to resolve it with ||redemption/forgiveness|| doesn’t feel quite fitting

[median plinth]

personally I found the story a noticeable step down, but that may be a "sequel problem," because the excitement of discovering new things and learning the gameplay loop was part of the charm of hades 2

I love the gameplay though, think it's phenomenal

[river lake]

I thought the single cut scene of him playing with Mel was a bit weak. It’s like “now it’s all good”. Seemed underdeveloped

[median plinth]

I was not a big fan of the farming simulation "gotta collect all these different resources" feel personally

felt like that was too tedious

[tribal wharf]

Hades 1’s story is a family drama where the violence/murder thrown in the mix is kind of this “Oh these immortal Greek gods be weird” whereas H2 very much is like “Yes we are going to KILL Chronos”

[river lake]

Yeah I’m weird when it comes to those kinds of tedious tasks. I enjoy them. L

lol

[median plinth]

Yeah different strokes

[river lake]

I recognize that it’s a bit weak from a design standpoint though

[timid vigil]

a bit, it was worse on release

[timid vigil]

yes, this is it

the whole premise of 2 is more ambitious and it was more "prone to fail" if that even makes sense

i still think its alright considering they needed to find a way for you to still be able to play the game even after reaching the ending

the only thing i actively dislike is the || hypnos thing and the fates ||

[tranquil wren]

it's wayyyy less grindy than hades 1

getting titan blood was the biggest chore in the game. I've 100%ed both games and H1 was a lot more grindy

[timid vigil]

heat going up 1 by 1 and you needing to actually complete the entire run was so bad

[median plinth]

perhaps? But there is so much you could be doing with planting and harvesting buying and selling, I felt like I "had" to do everything

which really made the gameplay loop feel unnecessarily extended

and the fishing/souls etc

once you get the incantation then that all feels much better

but up until it, the "animal farm" aspect felt like a lot more friction

[tranquil wren]

I went in with the mentality of 100%ing H2 so I was going to do everything anyway

[restive ibex]

it certainly feels better than Titan Blood

[tranquil wren]

the only thing I found grindy was the taverna ranking, which is meant to be

[median plinth]

yeah I was the same way, but that's kind of why it's unpleasant. I felt like I "had" to pick everything up but that made the fun part (the gameplay loop) a lot harder to access

[tranquil wren]

how so? all you have to do is just pick up the stuff

[median plinth]

I'm not defending titan's blood, which was equally tedious

but I'm just saying that the "I ahve to collect these 19 different resources" felt annoying

[restive ibex]

i mean i liked that it made you try different weapons but the way to go about it was Not It

[tranquil wren]

it just happens over time, you don't "have" to go out of your way or anything

[restive ibex]

"we're going BACK in time to get chronos out of the picture"

[tranquil wren]

the only thing you're really doing is setting the forget-me-nots. resource collection itself is basically a passive thing

[median plinth]

once you get the incantation to autopick them all up, it's much better

[restive ibex]

the only thing i've actively gone out of my way for was getting bronze before i broke the curse

[median plinth]

if I had my rathers, I wish I could have turned it on from the beginning

[tranquil wren]

lmao yeah true

[restive ibex]

i really wanted to get zorophet mel 3 or 4 then

[brave gate]

I only have 4 prophecies left to go:

• Get the Survive x3 boon from Echo
• Get Hestia’s legendary boon
• Get Chaos’ infusion boon
• Win a run with Charon axe

[restive ibex]

upgrading xinth is gonna be hell though i think

[tranquil wren]

charon axe is peak

[restive ibex]

i got domed by Polythemus with said Xinth last run and Prometheus was as scary as y'all said he was

even if i got to Prometheus with clockets gaming

[brave gate]

Most of the coats’ level up benefits aren’t that important to be honest

[restive ibex]

LMAO

[brave gate]

Obviously level them up eventually, but it’s not too important to worry about using them

[restive ibex]

yeah but it's still nice to have

i really like Xinth since it's just like. ion know how to describe it

[brave gate]

Yeah Mel coat was one of the last aspects I maxxed out. Annoying lol

[jolly hound]

not as good as it should be given that it’s a literal mech suit?

[restive ibex]

it's like the love child of aegis and marphom if that makes sense

[restive ibex]

nonono i LOVE the weapon dude

definitely might be my worst though since i still suck at gauging distance with melee that close lmao

going back to clocket i'm surprised they brought that sort of thing back with revaal

[brave gate]

Poseidon and Hestia are a fun combo on the coat

[restive ibex]

i had poseidon attack and hestia special for a while

i experimented with apollo special that run though

[jolly hound]

It’s kinda hilarious how wide grin is considered bad, but my first win was via wide grin and it was my first chronos fight ever

I love that coat hammer that auto fires rockets every few attacks

[restive ibex]

i had wide grin and the auto recall, it was great

[timid vigil]

idk if wide grin is bad, it just unfortunately doesnt work well with any aspect and completely bricks others (medea)

[brave gate]

I think it’s just cause for most of the skulls Wide Grin either does essentially nothing or is a downgrade/sidegrade

[brave gate]

Literally my favorite hammer for it

[restive ibex]

that was fun even if the special damage is kinda lacking

[brave gate]

Zeus special fixes that

[restive ibex]

coat's damage mostly if not entirely comes from you boxing the entire time

[jolly hound]

it will nerf Mel skull passive aspect bonus and totally bone Medea, but my level 1 skull at the time didn’t mind haha

[brave gate]

You can do Zeus special and then almost anyone else on attack for the coat

[jolly hound]

throw Zeus special on and have blitz auto fire rockets and

[restive ibex]

[timid vigil]

or you can do poseidon/hestia special on nyx and obliterate rooms after a omega boost

[brave gate]

And get Hestia attack and get their duo

[brave gate]

Hestia + Zeus duo I’m referring to

Could also get Aphrodite gain to get the Hestia + Aphrodite duo lol

[restive ibex]

speaking of what aspects should i be upgrading? i've just been steadily collecting nightmares and for SOME unholy reason my 1 fear testament is on Prometheus for coat 😭

[jolly hound]

I haven’t taken that one in a while, it only ever seems to show up on Zeus boons and I need other Zeus stuff more than that most of the time. Usually my scorch is applied via cast

[jolly hound]

moros torches, circe staff, Medea skull or whatever you like best

[cunning laurel]

doesn't matter just upgrade whatever you're about to use

[timid vigil]

What weapons do you like?

[restive ibex]

i mean i don't know what i like best, i've just been upgrading mel aspects the entire time

[brave gate]

https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-2-build-guide#aspect-of-melinoe-coat

This website is really handy for builds and stuff. BUT it also says under each aspect whether or not they’re good to use at low levels.

Don’t take it as gospel but it helps

[jolly hound]

Mel aspects don’t suck tho

[restive ibex]

i like em all honestly, though skull, staff, and axe might be my top picks

but i could see myself playing anything

[brave gate]

What I began doing was picking the blood thirst weapon each night and upgrading the aspect I chose to go with 1-2 times

[jolly hound]

Thanatos axe then, that gets super good at high levels

[timid vigil]

If you like mel axe upgrade Thanatos and use it as "faster mel axe"

[brave gate]

I had Hephaestus legendary with Thanatos axe once and it was sooooo fun

[restive ibex]

heph just seems like the most fun boon set ngl

[brave gate]

I like him but I just wish his cast were worth it

[restive ibex]

or maybe that's just me and my humor revolves around hammers

[restive ibex]

the stars aligned for heph spec for me on my first chronos kill

level 10 epic volcanic flourish

[jolly hound]

Heph gets way better when you have jpom and calling card

but yeah two second cooldown on heph attacks make it real hard to lose

[timid vigil]

it's funny doing big blasts when you get it to a low cooldown but just not worth it imo

thank god he has armor boons at least

[restive ibex]

heph cast is pretty decent if you get the fuschia dress from Arachne

[timid vigil]

trusty shield my beloved

[restive ibex]

it was hilarious on chronos

[timid vigil]

I unironically think it's the worst cast in the game

[restive ibex]

2 second cooldown to beat him with hammers

[timid vigil]

And sword ring exists

[restive ibex]

it's funny but i can see why

[restive ibex]

wtf is sword ring

[brave gate]

1.5 with Poseidon

[brave gate]

Ares cast

[restive ibex]

i don't have ares yet

i pretty much just got Hera on the surface

[brave gate]

I can agree with that. I usually want a curse effect cast whether it be for Origination or just for the actual status effect.

And even when just considering pure damage casts, I’d rather Zeus’

[timid vigil]

Ares, makes a falling sword appear on top of enemies inside the cast

[restive ibex]

and Athena too i guess, i gotta save some nectar for her the next time i get divine intervention

[brave gate]

However, Ares has some good boons for casts that aren’t his actually cast boon lol

Cut Above and Meat Grinder

[restive ibex]

oh interesting

[restive ibex]

meat grinder???

[timid vigil]

My point is that at least there are ways of making sword ring better, even if it is via duo boons

Heph cast is just that, no way of making it better

[brave gate]

😈

Basically makes it so your Omega Casts has a knife tornado in the middle lol

[restive ibex]

LMAO

honestly now that i think about it the skull kinda feels like Hades 1 gameplay

like to a certain extent

[brave gate]

And Cut Above makes your omega moves cause blades to fall on any enemy hit by them.

So, Cut Above + Meat Grinder makes your Omega cast super funny lol

Throw in gusts and Locale Climate from Demeter too

[restive ibex]

"See, if I put you in a meat grinder..."

[timid vigil]

I love silly ocast builds

With the Demeter ares duo forgot the name

It's not very good but its funny

[mortal dragon]

hostile environment

[brave gate]

One time I was doing a Circe omega cast build and I took that exploding cast boon from Icarus.

Obviously isn’t optimal but it was so fun

[timid vigil]

Yeah thanks

[brave gate]

Hostile environment with Thanatos axe is cool

[mortal dragon]

I dont remember what it does but I do remember the name

[brave gate]

Especially if you get psychic whirlwind

[timid vigil]

Ocast follows you

[mortal dragon]

oh yeah that one

[brave gate]

Heph cast just feels so random. Has nothing to do with any of his other boons

[restive ibex]

h a m m e r

[mortal dragon]

Bingbongbing

[brave gate]

Meant mechanic wise lol

[restive ibex]

heph's hammer hits itch that part in my brain that loves sounds i'm gonna be so honest

especially volcanic

[mortal dragon]

oh same

[restive ibex]

like you FEEL that hammer hit as it happens

anvil ring kinda just. ion know

it has the ding but not the damage for the ding

[crude dragon]

It'd be great if it worked properly on Mel Skull

[timid vigil]

I wish

[restive ibex]

also how on earth do you get darkness, i have like two or three things demanding it now 😭

[timid vigil]

I still had funny moments doing wide grin Bolstered array Apollo omega attack on mel skull

I was trying to get the Apollo legendary but couldn't get it tho 🥀

[timid vigil]

Chaos

[restive ibex]

is it beating the surface

[crude dragon]

It's Chaos's "flower" gatherable

[restive ibex]

from chaos???

[timid vigil]

It's technically the outcropping that spawns on chaos

[restive ibex]

wait but that's the flesh plant thing

[crude dragon]

No, Thalamus is the seed that you need to dig

[timid vigil]

Thalamus is the seed, Flux is the ore, Darkness is the outcropping, and chaos has some exclusive fish too

[restive ibex]

i see

[crude dragon]

Same fish as was in the first game

[restive ibex]

i never got any chaos fish in h1

[crude dragon]

I mean, makes sense

Those suckers were super rare

Voidskate my simultaneous beloved and beloathed

[restive ibex]

i love all the fish in Hades 2 so far, they've either been actively crying or just There

[crude dragon]

My favorites are the Thessaly fish

[brave gate]

Why'd they get rid of the fishing pier mini game from EA?

[restive ibex]

btw what's like. the case with familiars

[brave gate]

Like the meta?

[restive ibex]

i've just been bringing the crow since i got them, they actually Do Something sometimes

[timid vigil]

Each one has like 3 abilities

[restive ibex]

just like in general, i pretty much just got the mechanic and dunno who to use the third biscuit on

[brave gate]

The game tells you what they do. Go in your boon screen and it's right below yout weapon aspect description

[timid vigil]

1 passive buff, 1 resource gathering buff, and something else they do

[crude dragon]

You can cook more biscuits by doing Chaos trials

[brave gate]

Frinos is good early game because you need a TON of psyche and he makes you find more

[restive ibex]

when i looked it was just two abilities

i could be as blind as a bat though

i then immediately remembered what the third line was and now feel Stupid

[timid vigil]

You said youre using the crow, crow makes ores more frequent, gives you %crit chance and sometimes Peck enemies marking them for increased %crit chance on that enemy

[restive ibex]

Frinos also can tank hits sometimes, i remember Hecate commenting on accidentally hitting him with the Twilight Curse

[timid vigil]

For early game picking the pet solely based on what resources you wanna get is the valid approach

[restive ibex]

is this useful? prolly not

[timid vigil]

He eats projectiles

[restive ibex]

oh that's cute

[brave gate]

One is a buff that affects you; for example, Frinos giving you more max HP.

One is an action they do; for example, Raki pecking enemies and marking them for crits.

One is a resource buff. Each familiar raises the odds of finding a certain resource type.

• Frinos > psyche
• Raki > mining spots
• Toula > fish
• Hecuba > dig spots
• Gale > outcroppings

[crude dragon]

Frinos passively boosts your HP, spawns more ghost minigames, and can block projectiles

Toula gives you a DD, spawns more fishing spots, and will slap enemies if you wake her up

Raki gives crit, spawns more mining nodes, and marks enemies like that Artemis boon

Hecuba gives max MP, spawns more digging spots, and can dig up HP and MP

Gale gives dodge and movement, spawns more outcroppings, and blocks 3 hits per region

[restive ibex]

i don't think i've seen Raki mark anything yet, or maybe i just never gave them the chance to that run lmfao

[brave gate]

Can't believe bro forgot Frinos' body slam attack 🙄

[timid vigil]

It's a very faint light blue lowkey kinda hard to see

[crude dragon]

I will continue to do so

[timid vigil]

Yeah cause it deals like 50 damage

[restive ibex]

clocket skull gaming

[restive ibex]

that's an entire staff poke

[timid vigil]

Bro also forgot hecuba stuns enemies

[brave gate]

Lol. Frinos' ability that can be upgraded should've related to his projectile eating

[crude dragon]

At least Toula volleys are 99 per hit

And also have 10 hits per volley when you max her out

[timid vigil]

Yeah but it happens not very often for it to matter

[timid vigil]

Gale doing like 400

[brave gate]

Maybe reducing the projectile eating cooldown or increasing his radius of effect

[timid vigil]

Simply the goat

[brave gate]

Actually she's a polecat 🤓 ☝️

[crude dragon]

But she's a polecat

[brave gate]

beat you

[crude dragon]

Jinx, you owe me a Coke

[timid vigil]

[brave gate]

no im broke

[timid vigil]

Clowning on frinos but raki does 5 damage

and marks the enemy but we don't talk about that part

[brave gate]

At least Raki intentionally goes after enemies. Frinos only hits them if they happen to be there lol

[restive ibex]

okay but see frinos is Fat

a very Rotund Boy

[median plinth]

what does a raki mark do?

I don't think I ever noticed it

[restive ibex]

like 20% extra crit rate i think

[median plinth]

so you get a base 3% crit rate and sometimes you get +20% crit on a specific enemy? neat

[restive ibex]

its 1%

raki gives a whopping 1%

[median plinth]

leveled up?

I thought raki pecks enemies?

is that in addition to marking them?

[crude dragon]

At base

[tribal wharf]

Raki maxed out gives +5% crit chance to all damage you deal

[restive ibex]

you can level them?? 😭

[crude dragon]

Thought it was 4%

But anyways

[tribal wharf]

However Raki can mark targets for another temporary +15% chance

Oh sorry 4% yeah

[crude dragon]

Yeah, once you recruit all 5 pets, you'll get an incantation that lets you level them up

[restive ibex]

that's cool

[jolly hound]

raki boosted by Circe for a 8% crit chance is just a thing of beauty

[restive ibex]

[tribal wharf]

Usually I just go with Raki or Gale

But sometimes use others for variety sake

[timid vigil]

4% crit is good

crit is 300% damage

[crude dragon]

200%

Or more specifically, a ×3 bonus

[timid vigil]

i thought i've seen someone say its 300%, and ares minicrits are 200%

[cunning laurel]

+200%

[tranquil wren]

^

[cunning laurel]

x3 is more accurate though

[tranquil wren]

so saying 300% is still right

I think!

[cunning laurel]

yeah all the same

[timid vigil]

i get it now

so its x3 for crits, x2 for ares boons

[brave gate]

I know that for the Chronos fight the Moros Pin resets if you finsih a phase during the 10 seconds.

But what about Typhon?

[slim pike]

+200% is what it says in game and is wrong because it majes it look additive

[cunning laurel]

recently learned when both proc on the same hit there is 2 exclamation points

kinda fun

[restive ibex]

i mean hades 1 also said it was +200%

[slim pike]

and it was also wrong for the same reason

[restive ibex]

[brave gate]

Bro I just lost a DD against Prometheus and Heracles cause my festive fog was covering the fire on the ground and my brain didnt compute it 😭

[jolly hound]

existence is pain

[brave gate]

Just lost the run on the child phase of Typhon. Would've run if I was offered a single DD refill anywhere in Olympus or the Summit

[final saddle]

If I run Judgement Strength and I wanna run Athena’s keepsake should I do it first or second region?

[cunning laurel]

hopefully region 1 is jpom or god keepsake

[final saddle]

I’m thinkin my regular rotation for now is gonna be eitherAthena or Circe/Chaos -> the other one-> Dio -> Knuckle or Fleece

[cunning laurel]

why do you need athena so early? usually you want her later for dd refill

[final saddle]

I’m running Strength

No intentional DDs

[cunning laurel]

so she does even less

circe keepsake and fleece are also dubious

any time youd want to fleece droplet is better

[timid vigil]

Dio region 3 is also weird

[brave gate]

Okay that's it I'm rage quitting to go play Final Fantasy Tactics remake

@final saddle What boon do you want from Athena THAT badly?

[jolly hound]

That phase is brutal. I’m trying to get good at rivals 4 rn and it’s slow going

And perhaps stalwart stand as a security blanket, even tho it doesn’t mix with strength

[brave gate]

Ironically, I didn't get hit a single time during it when I first got to it

[jolly hound]

Have you added frenzy since then

[final saddle]

Good boons + she’s a free reward and a room clear

[brave gate]

I mean it doesnt hurt strength.

[jolly hound]

Stalwart stand? it will turn off strength til the DD pops in each room

[brave gate]

Okay but what boons in particular? Her best boons are the DD ones and Righteous Pike, but Righteous Pike isn't good in every build

[final saddle]

Droplet? Who’s is that? Also the choice between Fleece and Bones is if I’ve triggered it by 4th area or am like ~30 off

[brave gate]

Yeah exactly. If you beat the room without losing the DD, cool. If you do lose it, well now Strength is active and you get it back next room anyway

[cunning laurel]

hermes

[final saddle]

Pike is the magic one?

[brave gate]

yes

[jolly hound]

I like the extra charges of godsend hex one when I have an upgraded twilight curse quite a lot, once had 5 charges and it did like, 120k damage across the run lol

[final saddle]

I like that on my weapons

[brave gate]

That one too. Forgot about that

[final saddle]

Rn my fave is the Eos torches

I also like using Skulls and the Axe, I think I’m trying to save up for the Persephone Skulls and the Than Axe

[brave gate]

But why not start with any other Olmypian keepsake and then get Athena in region 2 or 3

[final saddle]

I’ve been starting on Circe

I was thinking about Athena 1 instead because of the potential of rolling Death

[brave gate]

Randomly adding 2 arcana cards isn't that great

[final saddle]

Judgement build, I’m living off of that gamba

[brave gate]

But why not just start with the Arcana cards you ACTUALLY want 😭

[final saddle]

I do

[brave gate]

Yeah 3 of them

[final saddle]

Lovers + Strength + Furies/the other big damage one

The rest are consequential

[brave gate]

i mean

[timid vigil]

Ngl even if I'm playing judgment I'm not going for figurine

But I guess its fun

[final saddle]

I like seeing a ton of cards at the end of my run

Also the feeing of a pre Chronos/Typhon Ferryman is really nice lol

[brave gate]

Boatman, swift runner, sorceress, rerolls, persistence, and centaur are all pretty important 💀

[final saddle]

I like shaking it up

[brave gate]

And having to forgo Furies is tragic. But you do you

[final saddle]

I mean, I’m not gonna be speedrunning or shooting for…what’s the max fear…? 64? 7? Idk lol, but I’m not shooting that high

[brave gate]

What are you shooting for

[cunning laurel]

sure but why shoot yourself in the foot by using bad keepsakes/arcana besides being fun

[final saddle]

The peak difficulty is gonna be max Extreme Measures I guess (forgot the name here), like last time

[brave gate]

Any other vows with it?

[final saddle]

Not particularly, gonna figure that out as I go ig lol

The only new content is from the extra bosses so that’s the main thing

[brave gate]

Also Vow of Shadows

It's like Vow of Rivals but for Wardens

[foggy sable]

its been like a week since I've played hades 2

why did I just stop playing lol

either way, time to get back into it lol

[rotund hearth]

H2 fresh file no god mode. Nearly beat hecate on second run

Either I'm actually better than this game than I thought and I was just a coward or GM was my way of training

[final saddle]

Ooo, then yeah that too

[final saddle]

What I love about GM is that it only provides damage resistance, you still gotta put in the legwork to dodge and it still feels great to play

[rotund hearth]

Exactly. It's not like easy mode in most games that just make it a breeze. You still have to not get hit. Only difference is that getting hit doesn't insta nuke you

Beat hecate on 4th run

[restive ibex]

goldwrath might be my least favorite fight in the game

[broken creek]

Just dont taken it, Optional tart room i only took it once for the prophecy then never again since side rooms are a waste

[raw patrol]

your life aint complete till u try arterial spray and exhaust riser together

bonus points if you get extra dose

[nova oar]

Hard disagree, you have a much deeper combat system, all the aspects are alot more balanced in general, fear is easier and less rng based, alot less reliant on duo boons so you can have many more different builds, double the amount of enemies and bosses, the rivals fights are a step up in difficulty, arcana is way better than mirror, the addition of familiars, the addition of chaos trials, fates whim keepsakes and a better fear reward system

Oh and dash + sprint requires more skill and positioning, plus cast is really good

[hardy panther]

i like that they force you to play around curses instead of hehe i put cast in you boiling blood!!

[restive ibex]

i never used the Hades 1 cast nearly as much as i have the Hades 2 cast i'm ngl

[red fox]

Hades 1 cast need build around to be good while hades 2 cast is a zoning tool without boon

[restive ibex]

it's usually always a good button to press when you're in a bad situation, or to just entirely disable hordes

also speaking of aspects, i got a hidden one by complete accident which was NEVER gonna happen in Hades 1

can i unlock it right now? oh no absolutely not but it's still cool to have

[restive ibex]

i just got rivals and rivals Hecate was unironically really fun

rival Polythemus wasn't though, that sucked horribly

[hardy panther]

+50% damage from 1 button press why not

[restive ibex]

[broken glen]

Success rate…

[nova oar]

30%

[nova oar]

Rivals poly is easier than hec

[crude dragon]

80%, you mean, because of Furies

[raw patrol]

ive actually had a run where i got all 4 of those boons

i beat typhon in 65 seconds with that build

[hardy panther]

I mean the hades 1 cast (i forgot that was only for attack and special though. too much zag sword brainrot)

[nova oar]

Fastest possible typhon is 39 seconds iirc, so not bad

[nova oar]

So worse huntress

[raw patrol]

hows that possible

[broken creek]

Medea skull p.array

[raw patrol]

also i lost a lot of time when mf spawns the eggs

[hardy panther]

I mean we didnt have magick in hades 1 just saying like atleast with stuff like eris rail there wasnt any reason not to use boiling blood

[broken glen]

Well it always dealt damage upon lodging into enemies, and it didn’t require an investment of grasp (the other option on the mirror was garbage)

[nova oar]

This is the closest i've gotten

https://imgur.com/a/c4VoQPJ

[broken creek]

Wr UW kills chronos in like ~25 seconds

[broken glen]

H1 cast could also be lodged at a range without having to need additional boons

[broken creek]

And like most of that time is the invulnerability

[solar pollen]

I discovered how to likely reduce those. obviously it's a coded mechanic I'm pretty sure but it took me way to long to find it

I was like HELLO?

[red fox]

I don't remember hades 1 much so i might be wrong but hades 1 cast has animation so you need interrupting what you are doing to use cast

[raw patrol]

u didnt even show the build 😭

[raw patrol]

get dad's boon

[broken glen]

Unless you’re playing Beowulf or Hera

[nova oar]

It's literally just p.array

Antler, and fine line

[solar pollen]

I have it. that's when I found out

[hardy panther]

does he take dmg while retreating into or out of the fog?

[solar pollen]

HOLY THAT'S CRAZY

[nova oar]

I wasn't even going for it I just accidentally got it doing a casual speedrun

[solar pollen]

what's p.array? I'm slow sorry

[nova oar]

Possessed array hammer for the skull, one of the strongest in the game

[hardy panther]

one of these days ill need to rebind special to r2 or something

[solar pollen]

ooooh. I haven't used the skull that muchZ I'm having a hard time picking one I like to use

[hardy panther]

atk has +power but consumes 25 magick

[nova oar]

Why?

[nova oar]

No, skulls fire oattack on pickup and use 25 magic

[nova oar]

Medea is strongest, then Mel, then mom skull

[hardy panther]

mb

[storm glen]

special on a right trigger/bumper is based

i have X attack RB special for the mega man zero experience

[solar pollen]

I did really like Medea aspect the only part that'll be a bit for me to get used to is the charge attack thingy. unless I'm not using it right? I haven't done a run with moms skull yet, it's pretty tho lol

[nova oar]

You play medea by loading one attack, and then special

Repeat until everything is dead

[solar pollen]

ah that actually makes. I was trying to spam attack then special lmfao

[hardy panther]

mmmmmm i love when chronos spawns his add directly on the instakill spot and i have too much damage and block myself

[restive ibex]

he is??? 😭

i personally found rival hecate easier than rival poly

[red fox]

Poly has a pattern and you usually go into poly stronger than go into hecate

[crude dragon]

Hec tends to waste a lot more time than Poly

[shrewd vault]

Question
For the unfinished business prophecy, can you visit Polyphemus and Circe in the same night?
I had the knuckle bones equipped and they activated on Polyphemus. Can I keep them equipped and meet Circe and still have it trigger the dialogue?

[red fox]

Yes

[crude dragon]

Yeah, assuming Circe cooperates

[broken creek]

Just iframe the instakill dummy

[tribal wharf]

I accidentally did it once long before I actually was able to beat Chronos and just haven't really dared to since

[broken creek]

Its a lot easier than youd think

You can time it to the 6 clicks or the safety circle indicator leaving(i do the latter)

[final saddle]

I got it randomly like twice lol

It’s never intentional, but I just assumed I did something right

[hardy panther]

what boons do i want on persephone skull? ig like hestia attack?

[hardy panther]

me when im stunned 😭

[rough lintel]

I have dash on it, its the best

Dash on bumper is amazing coz u can attack and dash at the same time

[crude dragon]

Really anything works (though you'll want to lean towards stuff like Blitz or Scorch to fill up the car's gas tank), but there's an honorable mention to Hephaestus blasts since they desperately want poms and mom skull's gimmick is that you can get free poms

[hardy panther]

i assume i dont want Pos array? if i want toever use the o.special that is

[crude dragon]

Yeah, if you want to play around the OSpecial, you'd be looking more at Twisting Crash or Sudden Driver

[elfin heron]

I just beat Typhon on night 14 with no aspect Umbral Flames. Hephaestus goes hard.

[nova oar]

You mean Mel aspect?

[elfin heron]

So far I've done complete runs with Zorephet, Descura, Ygnium, and Lim and Oros with no aspect.

No, haven't gotten the upgrade for the aspects yet

[nova oar]

Not the full legal names 😭

[nova oar]

Base weapons are melione aspects

[elfin heron]

So it's not Mel, it's just "Witch's Staff" and whatnot. It shows up different in the stats when the record keeper appears.

[nova oar]

That is still the aspect of melione

[elfin heron]

It's weaker. 20 less average damage per weapon.

[nova oar]

Just not called that yet because you haven't unlocked aspects

But the weapon is still the aspect of mel, none of them are aspectless

[hardy panther]

okay so for real how do i see what boons can be offered ingame

i remember someone saying up on dpad but that just brings up the affinity display

[elfin heron]

You get a certain incant mid game and it'll show up there after

[hardy panther]

oh what damn whats the name

[crude dragon]

Insight Into Offerings

Gotta get all the Olympians' keepsakes up to Hera

[hardy panther]

Ohhh my stupid ass has not gifted heph once

[sweet cove]

Question for all, if I’m recommending Hades to someone who admittedly would rather play one game instead of two considering the time sink nature of the genre. Which hades should I recommend?

[wide wigeon]

dude how do I reset chaos trials

if i undo night it gives me the same run

[red fox]

1 has better story, 2 has better gameplay

[broken creek]

^^ although 1.1 did fix the awful ending 1.0 had i find the story in h1 wayyy more compelling, the gameplay of h2 tho is super tight, fun, and allows for tons of skill expression

Also high fear is actually feasible without 1k hours minimum

[queen cosmos]

I wouldn't say like better, but yeah its much more detailed and stuff, the chaos is something I don't quite like about 2

Especially the surface

But they are definitely cooler tho

Like every enemy from hades 2 could become a more detailed miniboss in hades 1

And minibosses in hades 2 are literally as detailed as normal bosses like hades 1

And actual bosses what do I say

[cunning laurel]

works the same as normal seeds, gotta die or reroll

[solar pollen]

I haven't been able to gift ||chronos|| at all. I've been doing back to back runs both up and below AND HE'S NEVER AVAILABLE FOR GIFTING I've literally lost count of how long it's been lol

[red fox]

Only available post hecate, try talk to him before changing keepsake

[nova oar]

Gotta talk to him after hec

[solar pollen]

it's never giving me the option. or its dialogue between him and someone else

every other time he just pops up to say goodbye or something right as I'm going into one of the final bosses

[broken creek]

Have you cleared surface and uw since credits

[red fox]

Gift first

[solar pollen]

yes

several times

[broken creek]

You can only gift him between the erebus -> oceanus transition and its just a bit of luck to get the dialogue to let you after youve cleared surface and uw post credits

Took me a bit too but just keep doing uw itll happen eventually

[solar pollen]

aw man :/ alright then. thank you, I was gonna lose my mind lmao

[hardy panther]

how do you unlock rivals 2? ive beaten runs with rivals 1 active (I think)

[nova oar]

Need to beat both hec and poly

[broken creek]

Beat both of the rivals then hope selene wants to give you the next

[hardy panther]

yeah ive done those

[broken creek]

Just hope selene actually does something since shes how you get em

[broken glen]

You also need to have encountered Charybdis in Thessaly

For… no reason whatsoever

[broken creek]

Ohhh yeah that too

[hardy panther]

On the same run? or just in general?

[broken glen]

In general

[hardy panther]

yeah ive beaten charybdis a couple of times

[broken glen]

It’s harder than you’d think for some considering that it can share the same spawn pool with Circe, fountain, Charon, yargonaut, family dispute

[broken creek]

Then its just hoping selene gives the dialogue iirc

[hardy panther]

during a boon dialogue?

[broken creek]

Yeah

[hardy panther]

Ohh no wonder ive been purging her for like 20 runs now

[broken glen]

Based and real

[nova oar]

As you should

[broken glen]

Moon?!? GOLD!!!

[hardy panther]

the real reason why i cba with rivals 🙄

[broken creek]

Valid asf

[calm flicker]

I wish Supergiant started Hades 1 with better names for the player's moveset so communicating specific moves in Hades 2 wouldn't be so difficult.

Plural refers to both the attack/special & their variant. Singular refers to the non-Magick moves.

How obtuse.

[broken glen]

It is obtuse but it’s also efficient once you’re used to it

[calm flicker]

I also wish the player's "primary fire" button wasn't named "Attack" when it makes it that much harder to communicate moves.

I guess it could've been worse. Supergiant could've named the two moves "Light" & "Heavy" which would've made moves even harder to communicate.

[long forum]

Hades is a fighting game

[glacial light]

As someone who's played diff games for years when someone says click attack I automatically hit M1 and if someone says special it's M2

That's how it's always done

[calm flicker]

Hum.

[gusty maple]

Well the reason is Rival Scylla I guess

[calm flicker]

I've been playing Platformer Fighters, so they're named "light", "heavy" "signature", "special", & "smash".
I hadn't considered Traditional Fighters and their terminology.

[restive ibex]

i keep accidentally refering to attacks in a number of video games as "m1" because of this i'm ngl

[glacial light]

Yeah I say it to my console friends and it with their heads

[calm flicker]

The last game I've been so invested in builds is Darkest Dungeon, and their moves are named "Actions" & "Skills". I find it very easy to communicate such.

[restive ibex]

just "m1, m1, m1, special" in my head

[restive ibex]

BASED dd mention

i've been slowly playing through both games, but it definitely takes another kind of willpower

[glacial light]

Yeah talking to console players like "it's just M1 M1 M1 m2"

[calm flicker]

Own a for home , since that's what the intended. Four break into my . "What the ?" As I grab my powdered and Kentucky . Blow a golf ball-sized through the first , he's dead on the . Draw my on the second , miss him entirely because it's and the neighbor's . I to resort to the mounted at the top of the loaded with , "Tally ho lads" the shreds two in the blast, the and extra shrapnel set off . Fix and the last terrified . He out waiting on the to arrive since triangular wounds are to stitch up. Just as the intended.

[glacial light]

I can tell you all about willpower (I have a 200 loss streak for 60f)

[restive ibex]

even with my current progress i've genuinely considered restarting because of how horribly the file went at the start

[glacial light]

[glacial light]

No

[calm flicker]

Hum. Darkest Dungeon 1 & 2 have rather different gameplay formulas. One heavily punishes the player for their mistakes, & the other is rogue-legacy game like Hades.

[glacial light]

Play it through trust

[restive ibex]

reynauld and the gang died because i bit off more than i could chew and for a few runs after that when i finally discovered how to get units i genuinely had to run a team comp with two goddamn arbalests

but now i have a pretty cracked grave robber that i'm very fond of and will restart the run for if she dies

[restive ibex]

i know

[calm flicker]

Arbalest is a good hero. She's a hero, so she naturally synergizes with herself.

But we digress.

The names of moves!

[restive ibex]

yeah but running two units that really like sitting in rank 4 at once ain't great

both ended up dying anyway

[calm flicker]

Personally, I dislike having to mentally move away from "attack" being a universal term when one of the player's moves is named "Attack".

[restive ibex]

LMAO

[calm flicker]

[restive ibex]

fair

[broken glen]

What

[glacial light]

This is fair but in alot of games it's very consistent attack is M1 and special is M2

I need to stop accidentally hitting enter mid sentence

[restive ibex]

darkest dungeon humor

[glacial light]

It's a play on the musket home defence skit

[restive ibex]

there is a musketeer in the first darkest dungeon game

[broken glen]

You know it’s premium autism when a new language is developed within the brainrot

[calm flicker]

Hell, it's not even an in-joke in the Darkest Dungeon community. I just got a copy-pasta & replaced most of the nouns with Darkest Dungeon 2 tokens & icons.

[restive ibex]

[restive ibex]

thats the best kind of autism

[calm flicker]

Hell, look at this status token: .

[restive ibex]

i own a for home defense

[calm flicker]

[restive ibex]

ironic this emoji's called a "coughing fit token"

[calm flicker]

Like what kind of videogame needs a status icon for a coughing fit than Darkest Dungeon 2??

[restive ibex]

darkest dungeon

the first

or ironically enough monster hunter

[calm flicker]

Maybe Project Zomboid now that the Smoker trait is no longer free perk points.

[restive ibex]

there used to be a slime damage type back in Monster Hunter Tri before it just became Blast

[calm flicker]

Oh, there is the token in Darkest Dungeon 2. Stacks up to 3.
-33% received (rounds up to -100%), -1 .

[restive ibex]

the Goo

[calm flicker]

Curing heroes of requires either Salt Packets, a consumable combat item that additionally grants +15 resist & "Gain on resist: -1 " (3 turns).

[analog sail]

idk i found it pretty intuitive

[calm flicker]

Or dancing (moving positions). Otherwise, heroes must wait the whole 5 turns for the status token to expire.

[analog sail]

you have an attack and an omega attack which can be collectively referred to as attacks

[calm flicker]

Oh right. This is the Supergiant server.

[solar pollen]

i was finally able to gift ||chronos||. now just need to find ||zagreus||

bruh what it is wrong with my spoiler tagging

it deletes one part then spoilers the opposite

there retyped the whole thing

[astral bough]

how many ||ranks|| are there

im on ||nightmare iii and i was wondering||

[dull siren]

Sup

[hardy panther]

how does one play morrigan

[broken creek]

I forget what the loop is but its smth like dash attack -> oattack -> special for triad loops

[hardy panther]

also how do you upgrade it?

it doesnt show up in the central pool for some reason

[broken creek]

It should be there, nightmare like every other non mel aspect

[gusty tree]

Oh dear goodness

I unlocked Ares earlier, and oh my god he is so bad

[hardy panther]

Ares... the god? bad?

[gusty tree]

He fell from Grace

[hardy panther]

Plasma is ass, that's true but his other stuff is good

[gusty tree]

The god of Do violence is the worst at doing the violence thing

[hardy panther]

his attack and special are great

[gusty tree]

His percentage bonuses to your attacks and specials are the lowest in the game

[hardy panther]

Look at what the curse does..

[gusty tree]

He has the worst cast in the game damage wise

[gusty tree]

I know the curse adds on damage

[slim pike]

Ares is defined by his duos

making him very bad at high fear since you don't get many boons at all

[gusty tree]

But oh dear gods

He went from amazing in Hades 1 to just the worst in hades 2

[slim pike]

His cast is actually the heaviest hitter in the game for single shot damage, and then he getts cutting edge, coffin nail and hostile environment

but it's awkward to use

[red fox]

Amazing in hades 1 is a funny statement when he also a duo reliant god in h1

[slim pike]

Heinous Affront with Light Smite is the most busted thing in the game right now and it's hilarious

but it's a rare treat

oh yeah, and wounds is awful with wards on, so there's that

[hardy panther]

yeah i mean valid

i think the comparison with hades 1 is abit of an exaggeration tho

[slim pike]

you get no Merciful End here, which was bonkers good

Although you do get Coffin Nail, which has some hidden effectiveness not mentioned in the tooltip

[red fox]

Drop instantly is a huge DPS boost by just able to hang more blade

[slim pike]

Cut Above has a limit of 3 swords being present at once, and that's the main beneficiary of what you're saying here

[gusty tree]

If I had to rank the gods/godesses from worst to best(Excluding Helper characters)

Worst: Ares
Hera
Poseidon
Hermes
Apollo
Hephastus
Zeus
Chaos
Hestia
Best: Aphrodite

[red fox]

Blade is like what if doom is aoe

[slim pike]

okay, best Aphrodite?

[red fox]

Lmao hera

[slim pike]

what are you like

[red fox]

Hera is one of best god

[hardy panther]

aphrodite at best is Brazy

[gusty tree]

I mainly use the Sister Blades so incredibly biased

[slim pike]

Also why are chaos and hermes even on that list?

[hardy panther]

chaos clearly for the gather boons, lol

[slim pike]

My brother/sister in christ, try trick knives with sworn flourish

then you will understand damage

also if you like the blades... posideon gets third from bottom?

[hardy panther]

apollo, hera are fine on blades too

[gusty tree]

Hera I have at bottom 2 honestly because her Hitch debuff is not that good on bosses

[hardy panther]

fine line, born gain, extended family, bridal glow...

[gusty tree]

And I don’t think it is that good in general

[hardy panther]

she also has pretty good multipliers

[gusty tree]

Fine Line is good, Extended Family is good

The one that makes a boon Heroic and causes it to gain levels is really good

She has good boons, but she doesn’t have enough for me to actively seek her out outside of meme builds with the Zeus duo

[red fox]

Hera is a god that have 4 way to apply curse, having 3rd highest % atk and special, and highest % on atk/special that can apply curse

[slim pike]

her duos are oddly some of the weakest, but her general cores and support are great

[red fox]

And having best gain boon

[gusty tree]

Her Duo Boons that Aren’t King’s Ransom or Queens Ransom suck

[hardy panther]

ripple effect is fine

[red fox]

Queen ransom suck

Heirloom is awesome

Ripple effect is cool

[slim pike]

Heirloom is...

[gusty tree]

She has the most duo boons that has a chance to literally be useless

[slim pike]

it's pretty funny if you get it while you still have Jpom

you aren't taking hera for duos, that much is true

[red fox]

And nobody care about duo boon anyway

Her stuff is so strong

[slim pike]

but hitch is disgusting, hereditary bane with JPom is borderline broken

[hardy panther]

Hitch 'not being that good in general' is definitely a take

[gusty tree]

I barley notice the effects alot of the time

also the bosses tend to be more of a pain than normal enemies for me

so hitch not being good against bosses is a deal breaker for me

[slim pike]

Okay okay. next time hera shows up early, Take nexus rush, I challenge you to try and beat all of the rooms before the boss with just your sprint

protip I just gave you the easiest challenge in the game

[hardy panther]

true, hitch isnt the best against most bosses but it helps against some

[slim pike]

Syclla, rivals prom

[hardy panther]

ya

[red fox]

Both rival considered as hard boss too

[gusty tree]

That is honestly the main deal breaker for me

[hardy panther]

poseidon bottom 3, apollo in the middle, zeus not #1 🙄

[slim pike]

Literally every other god can help you kill bosses, it's really not that big of a deal

and an easily added curse gives you that all important origination

[gusty tree]

Zeus is really good, but his curse is a bit too slow for me to put at number 1

[slim pike]

It's.... It's blitz

[gusty tree]

Ok well you know I mainly use Sister Blades so I want the damage now and now

[slim pike]

trick knives with blitz is like, the meta strategy

[cunning laurel]

whats slow about blitz

[slim pike]

0.5 seconds is apparently slow?

to hit with like. 300 damage

[gusty tree]

I remember it being slower

[slim pike]

you have to apply it, do 120 damage, then it's 0.5 seconds after that

but 120 damage is nothing

[broken creek]

The limit for blitz is your own damage

[hardy panther]

just proc blitz then?

[broken creek]

Hera + zeus is meta for everything that isnt charon axe or coat tbh

[red fox]

Well if you want hera + zeus still work on coat

[wise wave]

I need to relearn the game after reading that blitz is too slow.

[hardy panther]

They probably just didnt do 120 damage

[restive ibex]

there's no way hera's bad 😭

[gusty tree]

Her debuff is the worst on certain bosses and the second worst on others

[broken creek]

Her % scaling iirc is 3rd place which functionally doesnt matter and the other % scalers dont even get a curse for free like that, on top of hitch obliterating crowds and trivializing scylla and prom rivals

[gusty tree]

Why does Hera and Apollo just have the two worse status effects for bosses

[broken creek]

Apollo curse?? Bro what

Daze is super strong

[limpid oar]

Least obvious ragebait

[broken creek]

Ts gotta be ragebait

[gusty tree]

It is only a chance to work, it doesn’t work Guaranteed

[slim pike]

Daze's strength is partly in its easy of application. you can just wipe it over everything

please tell me you are using Origination

please

[broken creek]

Ok and crit is only a chance, doesnt make wantler bad

The amount of times dazed has saved runs is insane

[limpid oar]

Crit is bad it's not guaranteed

Inconsistent af

[gusty tree]

I forget what Arcana I have active

[slim pike]

that, you need it, just nail it to your arcana board for now

[gusty tree]

I don’t think Crit is great because the chances are so low

[slim pike]

a global 50% damage boost for merely applying any two curses from different olympians is such an easy sell

[gusty tree]

I think it is better than Daze, but that is honestly a low bar

[limpid oar]

Hades crits are triple damage rather than double like most games

[broken creek]

Ok ts is 100% bait

[gusty tree]

No my takes are just hot

[slim pike]

how do I diffuse this, please don't dogpile

[broken creek]

Not hot just wrong and bad

[hardy panther]

Blinding dash is just like Really really good

[gusty tree]

I value consistency and my abilities working

[hardy panther]

Easiest curse application of my life

[hardy panther]

Yeah and consistently applying daze for origination is great

[broken creek]

Putting chaos(the most inconsistent god in the game) above literally anything is dubious then

[hardy panther]

Daze is also great as a debuff in those cursed ass thessaly rooms w olympus enemies in them

[slim pike]

Blinding rush works in a pretty big radius and works if you're dodging or running, which is unlike any other rush boon that does a curse

[gusty tree]

So I don’t really value Daze and I don’t really value Crit

[broken creek]

Bro doesnt want 3x damage for 0 effort

[gusty tree]

Maybe because the chances are too low

[broken creek]

30% is not low

[hardy panther]

Ok u value consistency and dont want chance based stuff but dont like blitz??

[broken creek]

Yeah hera and zeus are the most consistent gods and strongest

[slim pike]

you aren't like, just waiting 3 seconds for blitz to proc itself right?

[gusty tree]

This also means that there is a 70% chance you don’t get a critical hit

[gusty tree]

I am still attacking them

[broken creek]

Bro doesnt know what math is

[hazy parrot]

chat is this ragebait

[restive ibex]

the odds could be much worse for a much lesser payoff

[slim pike]

You use the blades, you're already attacking rapidly. Chance based effects like crit smooth out very rapidly into consistency

[broken creek]

Its gotta be

[restive ibex]

crits are great dude

like i don't care what anyone says triple damage is triple damage

[broken creek]

Isnt this the same guy that uses concave stone r1 🥀

[hazy parrot]

LMAOOO

[broken creek]

Bro sees antler be used in 67 r4 and will say its dumb and inconsistent

[hazy parrot]

crit mult is the hades games are so geenrous too

[gusty tree]

I changed to using it Stage 3

[slim pike]

Even I'm not that bohemian

[red fox]

I hope not because concave stone is one of most inconsistent thing

[slim pike]

so... have you got everything maxed in your arcana, beat the game to credits etc...?

[hardy panther]

the only reason to use concave is like hera and zeus duos 😭 😭

[hazy parrot]

id agree 30% was low if crit in hades was like 1.5x damage. but its a whopping 3x

[hazy parrot]

ive only ever used concave stone to rank it up

[hardy panther]

and not to mention like uhhhh we have a fat punching bag and law of big numbers will apply here

nobody is saying you need to like rely on crit for enemy kill breakpoints but crit vs any high hp target is Umazing

[hazy parrot]

like genuinely i dont think ive been in a situation in my lifee where i thogught yes concvae stone is the optimal pick here

highkirkflowstatenuinely*

[hardy panther]

genuinely only ever taken it when i was going for highest level zeus boon 🙃

[hazy parrot]

ykw maybe for ransom builds

[gusty tree]

I use it to get an extra boon

[hardy panther]

yeah so literally just ransom builds

[hazy parrot]

but thats the only time

[nova oar]

Don't

[hazy parrot]

🤯🤯🤯

[slim pike]

ranson builds except you get the wrong ransom forced upon you

[hardy panther]

me when concave stone takes a sac boon 🤯

[nova oar]

It's worse than useless

[broken creek]

Values consistency and uses the most inconsistent and dookie keepsake in the game

[hardy panther]

ok tbf concave cant be worse than chaos egg

[hazy parrot]

oh btw i dont think i told yall

i finished 32 fear with all aspects on surface too

[slim pike]

I still take the embyro for giggles

[red fox]

Well chaos egg can't fk over my build I think

[gusty tree]

I very much use competitive Yugioh logic when I use Concave Stone

[nova oar]

Embryo is still vetter

[slim pike]

I'm well aware it's not good. But I'm the guy who specifically made a HelHeim Charge build just to see what would happen, I clearly don't care that much about good

[hardy panther]

hmmm thats true, stone has the highest potential to literally kneecap you

[gusty tree]

I call it getting a +1 in boon advantage

[hazy parrot]

i like embyro for funsies sometimes

[hardy panther]

Besides maybe e.hammer on axe/skull

[hardy panther]

Yeah but more boons =/= good in hades 2. especially with sac boons

[hazy parrot]

when hammer gives me wide grin 🥀🥀🥀🥀

[slim pike]

The right boon at the right time is what wins runs

[hardy panther]

when hammer gives me heaven splitter 🥀 🥀

[slim pike]

getting an exchange boon at the wrong time can brick your build entirely

[hardy panther]

mfw concave completely locks me out of the attack i want unless i get insanely lucky with a sac boon
or purge it

[hazy parrot]

lmaooo

[hardy panther]

Ykw use concave man but like

[red fox]

Concave stone in ygo term is line, open a booster pack, take a random card add into your hand, then flip a coin, if tails discard a random card

[slim pike]

I mean at least we're talking about the concave stone because it might do something good

[hardy panther]

Atleast use blitz and hitch.. 😭

[slim pike]

there's like, a whole set of keepsakes I think we don't even mentally register anymore

[gusty tree]

A keepsake that doesn’t do anything good, the Bell

[slim pike]

Evil Eye, anyone?

[hardy panther]

believe it or not someone uses it at 62f

[broken creek]

Nah bell is funny at least

[restive ibex]

skelemelius

[slim pike]

Yeah, we're not going to argue on that one, the Bell is just a nothing keepsake

[hazy parrot]

whats this

[broken creek]

Exactly

[hardy panther]

okay i mean like 20% more dmg vs final boss is like Maybe Good

[red fox]

The thing evil eye do is let you know what kill you last time

[restive ibex]

damage boost against the last thing that stabbed you

[slim pike]

An illusion, it's not real

[hazy parrot]

no no i know

[restive ibex]

does it not ever rise from 20%

[hazy parrot]

i meant whats this as in i am disregarding it

[hardy panther]

idk i have literally never used it.

[slim pike]

Blackened Fleece?

[broken creek]

Its 30 iirc but fang is close to that and for the whole area not just one guy

[restive ibex]

i have it at 2* just because i was leveling things man 😭

[hardy panther]

fleece is good no? if you have it on

[restive ibex]

fang starts at 30

[red fox]

No

[broken creek]

Falls into the fang does its job better

[red fox]

Fleece is 40 but on omega only

[broken creek]

Plus once you arent getting hit its useless

[nova oar]

Id take bell over stone

[red fox]

And when using omega droplet might better

[hardy panther]

I mean yeah of course but if your build uses omegas and you already have it activated it, it isnt strictly bad

[hazy parrot]

i love fleece

[slim pike]

I love the subtle joke that Hermes gives you the Metallic Droplet

[hazy parrot]

ive taken it so many times

[restive ibex]

"Deal +30% / +40% / +50% / +70% damage, but lose 5% of this bonus after each encounter."

lion fang

[red fox]

It is not useless useless but very outclassed

[broken creek]

It starts at like 50 and by the boss its ~25%

[hardy panther]

yeah fang is just better though

[gusty tree]

You already know I am the opposite. Stone can net you two Duo boons if you play your gods and goddesses right

[slim pike]

Think about what Hermes is called in Roman mythology, and his keepsake makes sense

[restive ibex]

isn't he mercury

[gusty tree]

Bell barley adds any damage to you and has you take more damage

[slim pike]

Yep!

[hazy parrot]

ahhh yes funny

good catch man

[hardy panther]

you can maybe control getting 2 duo boons with 1 boss with vow of denial but...you cant control when stone procs lol

if you could just pick when stone procs that would be so nice

[red fox]

You can't really control even with denial anyway

[broken creek]

Plus the duos in this game arent as run defining as h1

[hardy panther]

its like a maybe maybe

[red fox]

Duo still rng to show

[hardy panther]

true true

[restive ibex]

there's also some jokes between skelly and odysseus iirc that joke about the rumors hades 1 had with them being the same person

[slim pike]

Wellllll. except for a few that are

[restive ibex]

[nova oar]

Can and will are two very different things

[hardy panther]

true! we never see them in the same room

[loud laurel]

anyone know song name that plays during jellyfish fight in undeworld?

[slim pike]

I mean, no one is going to call Hailstorm a run defining duo, but Ransom, Heinous Affront, Rude Awakening?

[hardy panther]

Scylla? theres 4 afaik

[red fox]

First, the boon need to have 2 duo at least to choose, 2nd, concave stone need to proc, third, it need to land on the duo

[slim pike]

Hellifish

[restive ibex]

nah, the helifish

[red fox]

I trust raki crit more than that

[hardy panther]

Dawg

[restive ibex]

big ol jellyfish with a ton of little tinier jellyfish

[loud laurel]

mm, its that easy boss with lot of jellyfish around, that is doing spin to win

[hardy panther]

Tbf idk what tf scylla is

[restive ibex]

she's only ever described as a "sea monstress"

[red fox]

clam

[restive ibex]

scylla could be a waterbear for all we know

[hardy panther]

roxy just looks like a normal human to me

[slim pike]

She's a Chlam, she loves it when you mention that

[loud laurel]

cant find that song at all

[slim pike]

If you ignore the fish tail, sure

[loud laurel]

its good combat song haha, always playing at that miniboss

[restive ibex]

i think its because we never see her tail behind the drums

speaking of scylla, which of the three do y'all gun down first

[loud laurel]

mmm, its not scylla, thats the zone 2 final boss, this is miniboss before that

[slim pike]

it's called King Vermin

[nova oar]

Jetty in normal, roxy in rivals

[gusty tree]

Roxy

[hardy panther]

Roxy

[loud laurel]

thats rat, no?

[slim pike]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfIuPRP94WI&t=5005s it's the track name too

[gusty tree]

She is stationary and has the most area denial

[hardy panther]

respect the name 😔

[nova oar]

I may be the only Jetty vanquisher

[loud laurel]

yeah, thats it! but its plays during jelly aswell haha

[restive ibex]

uh-oh

[gusty tree]

I only kill Jetty second because the game kinda forces you to kill scylla last ngl

[broken creek]

Charibdys until Roxy decides I have to be next to her

[loud laurel]

I hate that boss, is rat of the rats

[restive ibex]

i gun down roxy first during the first phase but then my target tends to divert towards whoever the featured artist is

[nova oar]

I only take jetty first for speeds, otherwise roxy is the best choice

[hardy panther]

Ngl i just do roxy and then roxy again

[gusty tree]

If you could kill them in any order I would do Roxy first focus fire her, Scylla, and then leave Jetty for last

[hardy panther]

Since scylla tends to hang out around you i can deal with scylla and roxy at the swme time

[slim pike]

you can "down" scylla before Jetty

yeah, she always "dies" last, but that's a separate phase

[restive ibex]

when scylla is downed early she kinda just. sits there.

[gusty tree]

I focus fire roxy even when she is not the featured artist

Featured artist Jetty or Scylla although bad are not as bad to deal with as Roxy’s area denial

[slim pike]

So do the others. The entire fight is "beat everyone in any order, then do it all again, then beat a final phase with syclla"

[hardy panther]

Selene i ask for nothing but the stupid rivals 2 please give it to me selene oh my god

[slim pike]

have you met charibdys?

[hardy panther]

Yes, killed charybdis couple times

[slim pike]

beaten both erios and scylla three times each?

if so, just check the cauldron

[hardy panther]

Yes, and nothing ther

[red fox]

Tbf it will be pretty impressive to unlock rival 1 first before beating them 3 time lol

[spiral dawn]

i have a question for the 3 fates prophecy (minor spoilers for post credits) ||do i need to activate & clear the engraved pin for 3 consecutive chambers in oceanus and then after that die/return to shadow? does an npc chamber/charon disrupt the consecutives or does it just mean 3 consecutive encounters?||

im just confused about the wording and ive tried to do it but nothing ever happens

[cursive nacelle]

proc in 3 rooms in a row. Die on the 4th room
npcs do interrupt

[spiral dawn]

ok thanks 🙏🏼

and do i have to clear the doom sequence or is it enough to just activate the effect even if i dont clear it in time?

[cursive nacelle]

not sure i cleared it in time and it worked

[spiral dawn]

ok ill try to clear it and see if that works, thank you

[cursive nacelle]

cant remember the exact wording

[restive ibex]

i did this

[tropic ravine]

For my last achievement I have to do 14 runs with weapons I haven’t used yet am I cooked

[slim pike]

You're being forced to have fun in a variety of ways oh no

[hardy panther]

tbf i just dont find twin blades and coat very fun

[tranquil wren]

imo all weapons are fun, you just have to figure out the best ways of using them

[slim pike]

I don't get why the coat gets so dunked on, it's a mechsuit with a guided missile system

guided freaking missiles

[cunning laurel]

everything but selene

[tranquil wren]

the most common complaint I've seen against the coat is that it feels like it's anachronistic, even more than the rail in H1

but anachronisms are fun

[slim pike]

Because as we all well know, three act bands performing hair metal was just daily life in ancient greece

[timid vigil]

I also dont like the coat very much but nyx and mel are alright

[long forum]

Coat feels like it should be focused on specials

But every time i lean into specials i feel like its so delayed that i just get hit by everything running around for my life

And then missiles land as opposed to having a near instant special

I kinda feel like it just has an identity problem because why am i playing coat if the best version of the playstyle is dash strike abd melee hits lol

[wise wave]

Shiva nuke is quite fun too

[abstract aspen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/918472938443911252/1460989834188423209/image.png?ex=6968ec50&is=69679ad0&hm=81013380d7437ff6fa1d002a6028ecf8c436f85066a3028679543538eefc0dd5&
do I have to incant monstruosity before doing end of slumber or can I go at the house to try and find it ? I don't wanna fight at olympus anymore to much struggle

[nova oar]

You have to keep doing surface

Slumber is after both of those incantations

[abstract aspen]

Oki thanks

[brisk dirge]

Hi guys

[nova oar]

Welcome back

[brisk dirge]

Hiya. Haven't played Hades 2 in a while. I got BG3 and also I just started Uni

[nova oar]

Real

[split shuttle]

ur the person who plays hades 2 on a phone right? welcome back

[queen cosmos]

Guys

How does the night arcana card work?

Like whats the requirements

[nova oar]

You use one omega

Then you use a different one

Repeat

[queen cosmos]

For how long does this one omega thing goes for

Like for how long can I crit after playing a single omega

[nova oar]

For the encounter

[split shuttle]

huh

the crit ends when the omega ends

[nova oar]

As in how long do they have to do a second omega

[split shuttle]

fair enough

[rancid patrol]

I just started playing again after a long time (since the Ares update), is it just me or is base ||Chronos|| a lot slower now?

[nova oar]

He hasn't been changed

Have you turned off frenzy?

[wide wigeon]

what was the old ending in 1.0?

[slim pike]

Basically the same but with less detail, particularly the bit where zagreus goes and does its own thing is completely something he decides on the spot

it made Mel feel like a spectator in her own game

[wide wigeon]

thats not good

[slim pike]

The montage where you see mel living out her alternate childhood wasn't there

and the entire third phase dissolution of eternity part of the chronos battle wasn't there

[wide wigeon]

I feel like Mel hasn't changed throughout the game she still feels like ghe same person she was at the beginning

cause like her reaction to arachne doing that kinda weird icl

[wide wigeon]

wild

theres no achievement for getting the last statue?

im lowk glad theres no achievement for great chaos above

[slim pike]

no, wasn't in H1

[jolly hound]

The statue is the achievement

It doesn’t show up on steam but it’s a gold star you see every time you play here on out

[spare wind]

A week or so since I last played hades 2 I think it was a 32f underground
Now to test how rusty I am