h2-discussion

[hallow vault]

And then they made a Sequel and its in ny Opinion atleast one of the best Sequels ever made

Supergiant are a gem lol easily one of the best Studios rn

[crude dragon]

She won't spawn in if you enter the region with less than half health (and also no DDs)

[red fox]

Not like you will have dd on your first run anyway

[crude dragon]

So fresh file runners purposely tank down to 30% in each boss fight to avoid her spawning in

[broken creek]

Or just dont care and lock tf in

[calm oak]

Hi everyone, I have a big question💔

[slim pike]

Eris doesn't matter if you never get hit

[calm oak]

Idk if this is a spoiler but anyway
||I'm currently playing, I have a max bond with both Moros and Nemesis but now I have the option to "stay with Nemesis" or hold off, what the hell does that even mean?? can i still romance the other characters if i stay with her??||

[red fox]

Yes

[slim pike]

Yes. Romance everyone

None of these choices impact any other

[calm oak]

Ty, I got a little scared JAJAJA

[hallow vault]

Ashley Barrett is extremely talented

[calm sorrel]

Getting a trial between Zeus and Apollo is terrifying lmao

[zenith cloud]

Hi

[nova oar]

Yes?

[zenith cloud]

what do I need to do to get the born to win achievement? do you know anything about that

[red fox]

Bring chaos egg to chaos and hope chaos give you the prophecy

[zenith cloud]

thanks bro🙏

[proper seal]

I hate both of their attacks, its so quick

if I had to compare these two from the first game. they are the equivalent of Aphrodite's attacks

[stark ridge]

demeter and apollo too

[royal cradle]

This game never ceases to surprise me 🙂
But fighting ||Zagreus in the Colisseum over the sound of The Unseen Ones||, that's my favorite surprise so far 😄

[stark ridge]

LMAO NO WAY

I got it rn lmao sadly no pictures in h2discussion

[slim pike]

Demeter in a small room is a problem, but she's easy in big ones

[real scarab]

Hestia my beloved, she's the easiest everywhere

[royal cradle]

The most annoying one has to be Aphrodite. NEVER piss off Aphrodite 😄

[slim pike]

she's okay now after the nerf, earlier in EA her projectile moved faster (as did posideon's)

the main issue is how small the projectiles are in amongst the visual chaos

[queen cosmos]

This isn't stardew valley lol

Wait huh, like how?

Beat hades as in first run or what

[nova oar]

Beat both routes multiple times

[queen cosmos]

Oh

Silksong?

Also I just don't understand expedition 33 as an indie game, like it literally looks like an AAA

Also I haven't played it but watched people play it but I think that graphics shouldn't be the only thing influencing the award

Maybe its just me but uhh, I don't think it should have been the winner

[nova oar]

It isn't an indie game you're correct

[queen cosmos]

I also don't understand why did everyone surrendered to this game

Especially team cherry

[queen cosmos]

And also I don't understand how was gta 6 declared game of the year a while ago when it wasn't even released

Maybe it was just a rumour

Personally I think indie games are way better than some AAA games, like these AAA studios should be going for what indie devs make in years, but somehow graphics doesn't always mean better

Like other than Detroit become human there is no AAA game I really like

I just wanna tell these AAA games that beautiful games doesn't always mean realistic graphics, different art styles exist for a reason

@nova oar But nobody listens 🥲

[nova oar]

Eh I don't think it deserved it, was too easy

[limpid oar]

I loved e33 but I don't think it had any business taking part in the indie categories for goty, it's not an indie game 😭 😭 😭

[fresh wind]

Especially with Return as one of your vows

Learned this the hard way 😭

[fresh wind]

They showed that with a small budget of $10m and voice actors that lead Marvel projects, anything is possible

[south lava]

Hey guys

[split shuttle]

tbh i could care less about goty

it's not a deciding factor of what makes a game good

[south lava]

Most of the time its bought out

[vapid veldt]

is the max fear of this game intentionally set at 67
just asking

[split shuttle]

like deadass some people really be hating on a game just cuz it won goty

[south lava]

I think people are hating on e33 because it got 9 awards

when there were many other good games that came out last year that deserved to be recognized

[vapid veldt]

I just think they are hating because silksong didn't win

[south lava]

SS won steam goty

[vapid veldt]

that's true but it didn't win in game awards

[south lava]

its AA

[split shuttle]

and also just because its not an indie doesn't mean it's automatically peak there are dozen of games out there that are indie and still suck ass

[south lava]

It won an award at the goty awards too tho

Just not GOTY

[split shuttle]

same thing with triple a it's not like every triple a game is like black ops 7 lvl of bad there are genuinely peak triple a games out there it's just that there's so much slop out there

[south lava]

Yeah, fromsoft is triple A and their entire catalogue is straight heat

[proud sparrow]

is there anything i can do with spare nectar/ambrosia? like can i turn it into prestige or sumn?

[split shuttle]

nah

[proud sparrow]

damn that sucks

also, im gonna start maxing out prestige, what would be the best run for it? grave thirst, poseidon, having coins to buy resources from charon, and what pet would be best? and is there anything else im missing?

and i think its best to buy psyche from the shop to turn into prestige im sure?

[south lava]

Im p sure u can sell it

[proud sparrow]

really? i couldnt see it in the shop, i thought maybe i have to do something to unlock selling more stuff

also side note but love the name, such an underrated fight and lore

[nova oar]

No you can't

[loud mesa]

I think hades deserved it imo. For me its the best game I've ever played

[south lava]

I think its something you unlock with the broker, i might be getting it confused with something else though (also thanks i love fortissax & godwyns lore, as well as the absolutely hype fight as well)

[proud sparrow]

absolutely, well i have it on par with e33, h2 wins as a game but e33 maybe overall

[proud sparrow]

hmm, well theres 2 people who are saying against it so im stuck now lmaooo

yesss so peak, also i no hit consort radahn whilst at scadutree level 0 and i no hit maliketh using barefists lool, i can send link if you want

[loud mesa]

i think e33 looks really boring, not even trying to hate. just not my type of game, even though i do enjoy elden ring and GoT

[proud sparrow]

then honestly i think even more reason to play it, because i was sorta like that when i seen it, but combat is top tier even as someone who doesnt like turn based (they make it more hybrid in e33) and story alone is worth playing for. not too mention the soundtrack which might be one of the best ive heard

[south lava]

Searched it up, ggl says you can sell it however i havent checked myself because i cbb to open hades 2 rn, also PLEASE do i would love to see that

[buoyant matrix]

where are yall getting this info from

you can't sell nectar or ambrosia

[proud sparrow]

i checked the wiki and i cant find anything
https://youtube.com/@thegrandestmaster ill just link my yt because i have quite a few elden ring vids (and a few rocket league videos if that interests anyone lol) but enjoy!

[south lava]

Alright, thanks, ill deffo check it out

[proud sparrow]

i appreciate it

[raw patrol]

im gonna be honest [epilogue spoilers] ||the epilogue felt kinda lackluster cuz of the corny ahh 3 questions thing and how anticlimactic it was||

[limpid oar]

|| talk to Hecate ||

[raw patrol]

alr

||also reusing erin yvette's scylla voice for the fates just threw me off the immersion cuz it felt like scylla was talking to me, meanwhile there's a tisiphone ripoff for some reason||

[queen cosmos]

WHO CARES, ITS NOT AN INDIE GAME

[cunning laurel]

who cares it's a game award

[dire sand]

e33 being indie depends on how you define indie

The joystick awards defined it as self published, which means it wasn't up for any indie awards there

But the publisher, kepler, is a cooperation of indie studios, does that support really make it not indie

[jolly hound]

Award show winners go to the highest bidder, that’s how it’s always been

[dire sand]

The first hellblade game was self published on, if the 10m e33 budget is to be believed, the same budget

But that would be indie by this definition

[dire sand]

Eh

If it's the ones with the most money then idk ea wins it

Or ubisoft

Or microsoft actiblizzard

[chilly latch]

Hi everyone, can someone tell me what it means when there is a paper next to the boss icon?

I wanted to post a screenshot but can't do it 🙁

[lofty vale]

It means whatever's in that room is on the list of minor prophecies, like defeating a boss

[chilly latch]

Oh thanks!

[open nimbus]

Hades 2 should have won best soundtrack

[sand merlin]

is hades2 gonna be on sale soon on steam?

[buoyant matrix]

you just missed the winter sale, your best bet is probably the spring sale in three months

[dire sand]

Curious to find out how we would know that

[sand merlin]

damn

[buoyant matrix]

insider trading

short every sale before it goes on discount, or something

[dire sand]

Insider trading hades 2 sales is a funny concept

[hollow crest]

how do i even play Anubis aspect? just rush through all the shades?

[raw patrol]

wait so [epilogue spoilers] ||hecate is melinoe||???

[buoyant matrix]

||from another timeline yes||

[hollow crest]

the sale has ended 24 hours ago. it was 25% off

[raw patrol]

huhhhh

[sand merlin]

bruhg

[raw patrol]

alright

[buoyant matrix]

put down your attacks and then play around them, reposition your damage field when needed

[hollow crest]

so O attack once? or spam it

[raw patrol]

now i kinda feel weird thinking ||hecate had their heart broken by chronos||

[buoyant matrix]

once, spamming would just keep replacing it

[raw patrol]

honestly, not a fan of this epilogue

hades 1 had a really good ending

[hollow crest]

hades 1 was amazing. hades 2 is double the hades 1 tho. double the fun, the size, the story, the gameplay etc. it's a complete upgrade imo, even tho i didn't understand it at first. love this game a lot. definitely top 10-15 game OAT for me

[jolly hound]

Hestia Poseidon or Zeus attack. If you can get support fire from Artemis and static shock and air quality from Zeus, you win. Also if you’re going surface take Grape Juice from Dionysus it’s busted

[nimble rivet]

Hades 2 has story aspects I did not like and others that fell flat. Despite these issues, it is still a 9/10 game for me.

[hollow crest]

i rarely ever see dionysus, also why not Hera attack? isn't it the strongest ever? hitch everyone and deal 918498 damage

[buoyant matrix]

because anubis doesn't have a good enough base damage on its attack

[median plinth]

does grape juice always apply to every hit for things that have multihits? like axe ospecial, coat dash strike, o special blades?

[molten obsidian]

They keep working on it, what are they cooking 🙏

[ashen hollow]

Shimmering moonshot is actually so busted on boss fights

Someone gotta do the apollo legendary duel moonshot shimmering moonshot at perfect range for 8 om special per special

[south lava]

Yeah i know

Im just saying its not AAA or indie its AA

[jolly hound]

correct; a fully charged pan omega special with a % buff suddenly goes insanely hard, the Anubis attack, an axe spin, hell even coat omega becomes really strong. I’m not sure offhand if you use momus staff if the subsequent blasts also have grape juice applied but I think yes cause it works that way for heph blasts

[median plinth]

momus staff omegas can retrigger heph blasts that come off cooldown? that's cool

[tribal slate]

Guys, I'm missing the last achievement to platinum the game, the one called 'Unrivaled Skill,' and I've already summoned three of the eight bosses in their advanced versions. What should I do to keep seeing them in their second version? So far, it only allows me to activate 'Rivals' Vote' twice. With just that, should all of them already appear powered-up? I have Hecate, the Sirens, and Polyphemus.

[cunning laurel]

you need to face rivals eris before tier 3 is available

[tribal slate]

I'm going against Eris with the maximum number of rival votes and then I'll unlock 3/3?

[cunning laurel]

yea i think the prophecy explains that

[crude dragon]

Yes

Just like you had to beat Unrivaled Hecate and Poly before you could unlock the Sirens and Eris

[tribal slate]

thanksss

[crude dragon]

Unrivaled Typhon and Chronos also require you to roll credits, but I'm gonna guess you've got that part already done

[proud sparrow]

Whats the best pet to use for farming prestige?

[fresh wind]

Im beginning to think the Hestia boon Fire Away isnt actually in this game

150 hours and I have not seen it, and now im doing runs where im specifically trying to get it since its the last one I need

[timid vigil]

youre not losing much its kinda ass but i remember i got it in a chaos trial

if you want to just like get all of them for the list and stuff

most of them i got on chaos trials acutally

[fresh wind]

I should probably just do that

[rose hull]

hello everybody

[shrewd oak]

hi

[fresh wind]

I just did the hestia chaos trial and took every hestia boon I could which was like 9-10

Eventually it only offered me sacrifice boons, still no fire away

I only want it for the stupid list but I cannot run into it to save my life

[mortal dragon]

Hecuba for seeds maybe

Or Frinos for psych.

[crude dragon]

I think the most efficient thing to farm is chaos seeds, so Hecuba?

[mortal dragon]

I love her I take her out cosplaying Sif Dark Souls

[proud sparrow]

I see. Thank yous

[proud sparrow]

Peakkk

[timid vigil]

You got all the prereqs?

Idk I think i got it first try on the trial

i think fire away has some specific prereqs too

[crude dragon]

It does. It specifically needs her cast, a fireball, and a T2 Scorch boon

Her cast being the one that's the evil part

And then if you want to use it for its intended purpose and not just to cross it off, it means you really don't want Glowing Coal

Would be neat if it made the fireballs also block projectiles (and maybe even making them stronger for each eaten projectile), but alas

[raw patrol]

epilogue spoiler warning ||how do yall explain the bootstrap paradox on hades 2 epilogue||?

the epilogue left me ||more questions than answers||

[tulip swan]

how do i find the raven companion? Wiki says its in fountain rooms in erebus, i saw it once

but how do i find those rooms more often?

[devout cairn]

luck

[median plinth]

I think it's this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFm9ClqlGuo

[crude dragon]

The fountain room will have a little list icon above the door to show he's there

And you could take Phial since it has a hidden effect that increases the spawn rate of fountain rooms

[hollow crest]

is this fact checked? didn't know, if it's true

[crude dragon]

It's something dataminers found

[hollow crest]

very nice. do you know of any other such hidden effects

[crude dragon]

No clue

[median plinth]

there's a thread in the speedrun discord that has lots of little nuggets like this

if you have access to it: https://discord.com/channels/940392249844465694/1392318787487006792

[tulip swan]

when a hex has an effect like "You deal +5% damage after using this"

does that stack with multiple uses of the hex in the same encounter?

[crude dragon]

It doesn't

[tulip swan]

does it last for tghe rest of the encounter?

yea it does nvm

[fresh wind]

This ended up being the issue

[tulip swan]

does the blackened fleece build charges when your armor takes damage?

[buoyant matrix]

...you were trying to get the legendary without knowing the prereqs?

[fresh wind]

Ive played for 150+ hrs and got every other legendary without specifically looking up prereqs for how to get them lol

Don't "..." me over that 😭

[prime hearth]

what is that? did i miss the epilogue or something

[buoyant matrix]

well if you have any duos left you know what to do now

[fresh wind]

I dont, that was it

[raw patrol]

aw hell nah go back and unsee the text

[prime hearth]

is there a second epilogue?

[raw patrol]

its after u find the fates

[prime hearth]

ohh

how do i find them

do i have to beat the surface and underworld one more time

[raw patrol]

dawg jus keep playing, youll see something in the fated list later

[mortal dragon]

Yeah basically.

[shrewd oak]

just keep playing is the best advice to finish a roguelite lol

[brave gate]

One of the most unfun aspects to use in region 1 has got to be morrigan blades

Wow entered the Ephyra shop with 985 gold

First ephyra room was Medea and I got the money curse. Next room was Hermes and got Quick Buck

[mortal dragon]

Honestly I think Morrigan holds its own in region 1 because of that big chunk regardless of the boons you have on. The special can be frustratingly slow but that’s true for all regions.

[brave gate]

Yeah. The attacks jsut feel so gross tho

[mortal dragon]

The attacks are my favorite part :) Cirmcle

[brave gate]

If Hermes worked like the other core-olympians, what curse do you think he'd have?

[floral quest]

Hmm... 4 achivements remain

Hades 2 is one of my all time favorites already.

[crude dragon]

Disorient, makes the enemy have a chance to friendly-fire or just fire away from Mel

[brave gate]

Just seems like a worse daze ngl

[crude dragon]

I mean, you could come up with something yourself if you want

[brave gate]

Bro you didn't need to take it personally 😭

[crude dragon]

That... wasn't? You asked, I gave my idea, you could follow up with your own

[brave gate]

Soory, the way your message reads over text make it seem like you were upset

[lost nova]

hi guys, is the starting gift seeded?

[timid vigil]

Starting gift?

[lost nova]

i want to do a basic axe run so i take the talisman of apollon with me but everytime i restart i get the same boons

[crude dragon]

Yes, runs are seeded

[timid vigil]

Oh yeah it's seeded until you die or finish the run

[crude dragon]

Quitting out doesn't reset, you need to die for it

[timid vigil]

There's a late game incantation that allows you to reset the seed but you need like epilogue and other stuff to unlock it

[lost nova]

ah sad, i am on my way to ||typhon for the final kill||

[timid vigil]

Youre not playing with rerolls?

it's an option if you don't wanna die to reset the seed

[lost nova]

only 2 reroll stones, but rerolls are also seeded

[timid vigil]

usually it's worth playing with all 10 if you're going for rerolls, but yeah in that case only dying would change the seed

[shrewd oak]

what's the max grasp

[broken creek]

30

[elder knot]

picking the 5/55/555 dion perk as the hidden aspect axe was a bad decision

[crude dragon]

Yes, it was

[shrewd oak]

cool is there a place i can find the best cards to pick. guide or smthin

[elder knot]

is there ever a situation where that dionysus is good

[crude dragon]

If you have Air Quality and are running an aspect that does on-hit effects on the attack like knives or Coat

[broken creek]

Let me make a setup for ya real quick just killed chronos

[crude dragon]

Otherwise, it's build-brickingly bad

[broken creek]

https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/ArcanaDeck/?deck=WyJjMSIsImMyIiwiYzMiLCJjNiIsImM3IiwiYzgiLCJjMTEiLCJjMTIiLCJjMTMiLCJjMTQiLCJjMTUiLCJjMTciLCJjMTgiXQ==

this is what i run like 99% of the time, unless im doing a no mana scars3 run in which i drop son and sorceress for night

and if you are using an omega you can drop like artificer or smth for eternity

death or strength is interchangable depending on what you wanna use, strength is stronger at lower fears but death will always be safer

[shrewd oak]

oh i couldn't beat a thing without death xD

[mortal dragon]

Huh boatman is an interesting one will have to try that.

[broken creek]

its super useful for high fear erebus, since forfeit and bad luck makes erebus give like nothing

[mortal dragon]

So true

[broken creek]

it guarantees one boon from shops in high fear cuz debt, and guarantees like 2 for no debt

so its super super valuable for the early game

[mortal dragon]

I’m not planning on going higher than 32/24 my non-testament runs are just bashing my head against the first 3 regions with whatever has grave thirst

[slim pike]

Even then... it's only sort of okay in that instance. Dio offers so much better with his other boons

[mortal dragon]

I wish there was feedback still so I could tell them I need to be able to recycle nectar.

I have 40 now what am I going to do with that.

I need prestige to make my frog scary

[nimble rivet]

Gambling build

[mental forge]

ima hit a monster blunt rotation
Max rivals. hades 2 underworld, then hades 1, then surface

ima go crazy

added challenge if I die on any run I have to restart from hades 2 underworld

if I really hated myself I could make it harder but not yet

[nimble rivet]

A challenge worthy of your pfp

[cunning laurel]

surely add some more fear or heat

[sturdy magnet]

Whenever I do the Olympus runs, I would never get Zeus Attack and Special boons because I don't want to put a cloud on Prometheus head during the boss fight

[median plinth]

I think you should do greater chaos trials for for the hades 2 rotation

[mortal dragon]

It would be a cool interaction if you could recycle nectar at the bar and it's framed as you restocking their stash.

[cunning laurel]

because it makes the fight harder or you dont want him to be sad?

[sturdy magnet]

Probably the latter

[timid vigil]

This is the real reason

The love for gambling

[sturdy magnet]

I love that guy so much (I didn't had much interest in him until later). He is so based. I'm on team Prometheus in Hades II

Now I'm just so excited when going to Olympus to face him

[tribal wharf]

Not fully done with the story yet (as in the epilogue stuff) but so far I kinda wish they just leaned slightly more into the morally dubious behavior and attitudes of the gods, underworld ones included
But I’m just a general sucker for off-kilter gray morality at times

[prime hearth]

if u had to pick whats the best boon in the game

[broken creek]

Trusty shield my goat

Or a blitz thing

[nova oar]

Blitz special for damage, trust shield for defence

[fresh wind]

Chaos giving me the worst build when im going for two in a row all-random 😭

50 mp/30 hp/aspect of mel on argent skull/0 dds

[timid vigil]

Blinding rush

[median plinth]

Strength at least?

Frnzy 2 timer 4 rivals 3 right?

[fresh wind]

No it was 0 fear and I dont think it gave strength either

[prime hearth]

why

[prime hearth]

blitz special is so goated

[fresh wind]

Sprinting is extremely good + one of the easiest ways to proc origination

Does so much for one boon

[broken creek]

And dodge chance is goated

[timid vigil]

Pretty much what everyone said, it's so good

It applies a curse easily in a large area, essentially gives you dodge% and allows you to evade stuff easier all for one core slot

Also not really impacted if it's low rarity or low level, it just does all that always

[fresh wind]

What are other top boons

I was hating on it until recently, but Sea Star

[nova oar]

Snow queen

[timid vigil]

Nitro boost

[nova oar]

Sea star is more of a gimmick than anything

[timid vigil]

Hasty retreat

[nova oar]

Anything freeze or gale

[fresh wind]

I also feel like secret power is insanely splashable

Uhh that's not what its called

Secret crush?

[nova oar]

I think it's pretty mid

[timid vigil]

Success rate

Damn Hermes is so goated...

[cunning laurel]

nitro boost is too good

[nova oar]

We said that

[cunning laurel]

yea just agreeing

[prime hearth]

true

[crude dragon]

Sworn Strike

[broken creek]

I fw high surf heavy lowkey

Amazing support boon

Grievous blow is cool, the only reason you take ares tbf

[prime hearth]

ares is kinda wack

i avoid him so hard

[crude dragon]

Ares has two good boons and they're a Tier 2 and a Duo

We always accept Ares slander

(Yes, I know he's BiS attack for Shiva)

[broken creek]

His attack and special are ok, his rush is fine but aphro is just a better version but both get mogged by blinding, cast sucks

[prime hearth]

which ones

[crude dragon]

Grievous and Heinous

[prime hearth]

what do they do

[broken creek]

Grievous is crits, heinous auto triggers revenge boons

[crude dragon]

Grievous Blow is the minicrit chance on targets with Wounds, Heinous triggers all 2 revenge boons in the game when you inflict Wounds

[broken creek]

And grievous stacks with regular crits for a 5x??

Or is it 6

[crude dragon]

Nope, ×6

Mutual Destruction also exists and is a slightly-worse Grievous

[prime hearth]

so u highkey have to commit to him

[broken creek]

Very

But sometimes jpom forces you to

[crude dragon]

Yes, and he doesn't get as much out of the investment as his brother does

[prime hearth]

hera is so goated you cant go wrong with her

[broken glen]

His infusion boon and legendary incentivizes doing it

He also has a lot of plasma duos

[prime hearth]

hes too underwhelming for all that

[broken glen]

True

I miss 999% plasma cap from EA

[crude dragon]

Meanwhile, Gigachad Hephaestus single-handedly carrying a run when he gets his engine up and running

[broken glen]

Even just a trusty shield is more than enough to justify taking him

[crude dragon]

(Though then again, he's pretty miserable when you can't get the engine started)

[nimble rivet]

Y'all just haven't gotten a good Mutual Destruction Blood Spree build (neither have I)

[broken creek]

Its buns twin 🥀

I had a run yesterday that had grievous and antler, that was super funny, had lower damage than like a normal zeus setup but still, kinda funny

#h2-victory-boasting message

Like it was funny ill say that much

#h2-victory-boasting message
This was just better though by a mile

[shrewd oak]

so i just beat chronos without using any death defiance. should i switch to strength or am i being too cocky

[dry whale]

How do i get heracles locked heart

[devout cairn]

you should switch to strength

[shrewd oak]

i worry im gonna switch and immediately start losing badly

[dry whale]

Strength is so worth it

[broken creek]

40% dr is hard to mess up at low fear icl

Just dont get hit by the chronos one shot

[dry whale]

How do i get heracles lock heart?

[broken creek]

Uhhhh im not sure its either just talk to him a lot or some rivals prom stuff idr

[shrewd oak]

well hopefully i won't get hit by any attacks

xD

[broken creek]

Truuuue

[crude dragon]

Gotta ||roll the right dialogue after beating him in the Unrivaled Prometheus fight||

[warm jay]

In the summits, is it not possible to avoid those two mini boss battles?

[nova oar]

Nope

[shrewd oak]

it happened :(

[graceful geyser]

one of the highest highs of all time is a good chaos keepsake rng man i just got a +97% attack

good that you can easily keep your boon on second biome of underworld

[devout cairn]

keep going u will stop dying eventually

[shrewd oak]

I HATE PROMETHEUS AGHHH

[glossy shadow]

It will be a new learning curve, if your build wasn't crazy good in the first place then the bonus damage from strength can quite possibly carry you

[dim canyon]

ive spent nearly 7-10 runs to beat typhon with the axe on than aspect and I still ahvent beaten him. Is this really just a skill issue or is he just really hard.

[nova oar]

Both

[crude dragon]

Little column A, little column B

Typhon's easier than Prometheus, but that doesn't make him a total pushover

[dim canyon]

I lose most of my defiances on prometheus

[crude dragon]

Next question is "are you playing axe correctly"

[nova oar]

Very good point

[crude dragon]

Well, if you burn all of them and Athena didn't spawn, you could run Amulet for the Summit to roll for Renewed Faith

[mortal dragon]

Does she appear on the summit?

[crude dragon]

She'll appear in the first room if you take Amulet

[mortal dragon]

I feel like she didn't when I did

Maybe that was before the hotfix

[dim canyon]

i am unsure

[crude dragon]

Well, do you know about canceling your Attack with the Special, for instance?

[dim canyon]

yes

but this run I had aph on attack and I had the psychic cyclone

[crude dragon]

Okay, so you're at least playing it right

[dim canyon]

so what must I do better so I can finally stop using just the axe and fighting just typhon forever

[shrewd oak]

second typhon defeat! huzzah

[timid vigil]

You said you lose most of your dds on prom, what is your biggest issue with him?

[dim canyon]

how many attempts cuz im at so much 😭

[ashen hollow]

experiment more, I think almost every aspect is very much viable

hades has always been a very well balanced game

[dim canyon]

2 did it better than 1

some aspects in 1 are just straight bad

[shrewd oak]

like how many attempts since my first typhon victory? or how many did it take for my first?

[dim canyon]

I dont even know any more, but i can only keep brute forcing it until I feel the satisfaction of winnin g

[ashen hollow]

Which one, I cant remember for the life of me which one was actually terrible

[red fox]

Most zag aspects is basically non existent

[dim canyon]

guan yu

[ashen hollow]

nah guan yu is fine

special is very nice on guan yu

the hp is bad I do admit but like just get hit less

[dim canyon]

gun itself felt wholly undertuned, not weak itself just weaker than everything else

I do love exagriph tho

[timid vigil]

if you're taking damage to the memory game I suggest using 1-2-3 to remember the pattern, otherwise be aware with his attacks that set flame on the arena, you wanna position yourself in a way where the fire doesnt stay in the middle or where you need to walk into, so you can run to the edges when he does that

[dim canyon]

i might be biased cuz of how many attempts it took to beat hades with it without any upgrades

[dim canyon]

this isnt my problem

I usually flawless memory game

[timid vigil]

Otherwise playing more patiently against prom is crucial, running and waiting for the opportunities to attack

[shrewd oak]

? @dim canyon

[ashen hollow]

aphro special, some artemis, and its like ultra easy

the special is like staff special with how much raw power it has

[dim canyon]

I felt that lucifer was just ok, its special was meh but its laser attack was cool

[ashen hollow]

ok lucifer was pretty jank yeah

[dim canyon]

like how many runs until u beat him for the first time

[timid vigil]

Lucifer was legit so much fun tho

My favorite rail

[dim canyon]

posiden felt just ok compared to every other aspect that dislodged cast

[red fox]

Sword just being sword

[shrewd oak]

20 surface runs

[dim canyon]

but it sat next to aspect of chiron and baeuwolf so I cant dog on posiden too much

[shrewd oak]

but i was playing the entire game wrong for a while xD

[dim canyon]

howso

oh hades aspect on spear

[ashen hollow]

the second dash is absurdly overpower in hades 1

[red fox]

Hera is the cast bow

[dim canyon]

made the game so easy

[ashen hollow]

oh yeah hades aspect was like the midest thing ever

[dim canyon]

after I got it I doubled the amount of rooms I could clear in my first run

[ashen hollow]

didnt help that spear charge attack was mid too

[dim canyon]

i think that the main reason that I feel as though alot of the aspects werent that good wasnt cuz so many were that bad, it was because there were just a few that were op as hell and there was no reason to pick anything else

[shrewd oak]

i played it how i played the first game. but i was playing the first game wrong as well lol

[dim canyon]

how?

[ashen hollow]

i mean yeah, you would never play zag spear or hades spear over achilles

achilles was stupid btw that multiplier was huge

[dim canyon]

it was busted

shield in general was kinda op but then theres zeus aspect and beowulf

[ashen hollow]

shield had the best move set inherently

[dim canyon]

almost every zag aspect was mid as hell

[red fox]

Zag aspect basically doesn't exist

[ashen hollow]

zag bow was the only one i actually played

[dim canyon]

the bow might be the most balence weapon

all of its aspects are pretty good

if not downright op

[ashen hollow]

yeah ever aspect is pretty nice, a lot to do with the hammers on it

[dim canyon]

I can remember the chunks on rama

[ashen hollow]

bow had very nice hammers

[dim canyon]

the only one thats not as good is hera for the sole reason that there are better cast build weapons

but its still better than posiden

[ashen hollow]

i dislike hera purely because picking the cast up is mildly annoying

[dim canyon]

agreed

[ashen hollow]

og skulls pre the special change

[dim canyon]

oh I used zag aspect on fists, which are by far my most fun weapon

[dim canyon]

I still find skulls just a little bit annoying

[ashen hollow]

one thing I do miss is dash runs, they really gut dash dmg viability

[dim canyon]

I love all the fist aspects, even if I played them all the same cuz the aspects really ment nothing, I would just run gilgamesh and have a busted merciful end build

[ashen hollow]

also it's crazy how apollo dash is basically just athena ash now

[dim canyon]

gilg for the extra dashes was peak

[dim canyon]

love the athena dialouge when you pick her dash

[ashen hollow]

like i would take apollo just for the stupid easy daze which is a broke status

i mean yeah athena dash was just that gross

[dim canyon]

so op

[ashen hollow]

when you pick a god just for 1 boon you know its busted

[dim canyon]

the only other good dash was artemis tho

all the others were replaceable by other boon slots

my two fav gods artemis and athena are location locked in this game though

[ashen hollow]

its weird how mild dio boon is compared to athena and artemis, esspecially since he takes an encounter slot

[dim canyon]

dio had a crazy cast tho

fav for my cast builds

[ashen hollow]

Btw how did everyone just forget about dazzling display

I did not expect that boon to make it to the final game

In my opinion it is the most nonsensical boon in the game

[graceful dune]

Which dio boon is that one? Like what does it do?

[ashen hollow]

The boon inflict daze with a small chance while you can get guaranteed easily from cast or dash, the boon only shows up when you have exactly nova strike for some reason

[graceful dune]

That’s weird

[ashen hollow]

Like 10% to inflict daze on attack 5% more per rarity

Only shows up if you have nova strike (not flourish)

There is no universe out there where you would take this

It doesn't even count towards exceptional talent

It serves zero purpose

I literally think they forgot about it because no way it still lives otherwise

[graceful dune]

Who takes nova strike btw. Like no one

[ashen hollow]

I like it with nergal

[crude dragon]

It's decent on axe and skull

And an alright choice for staff

[ashen hollow]

Mostly because exceptional talent is funny

[crude dragon]

Plus it leads into the Legendary

[ashen hollow]

It makes nergal om attack go from big to room sized

[mortal dragon]

I am handshaking I loved to get the one hammer where your bombs just pulse 200 damage and get Artemis crits just braindead playstyle.

[crisp comet]

Is the aspect of pan bad? Trying to decide which one to max so I can get the hidden aspect, pan or arty

[mortal dragon]

...axe

Like it literally makes things bigger and hit harder I don't see a reason why I wouldn't take it a lot of the time

I personally find Artemis more fun, but it really depends.

[crude dragon]

Pan technically gets more from its upgrades, unfortunately Pan is miserable to play

[crisp comet]

Ah, why so

[storm glen]

slow

[storm glen]

its quite good in general

[crude dragon]

Do you know what the phrase "recovery frames" means?

This isn't sarcasm

[storm glen]

dawg there are like a million less complicated ways to explain why its bad

it takes too long to charge and recover and it has bad area clear thats it

[mortal dragon]

Artemis is very satisfying when you get all the omega attack upgrades and chunk like 2000 damage with a crit.

[crude dragon]

AKA it has a ton of recovery frames that make it feel like garbage :3

[summer elk]

Don't you mean "start up frames?"

[crude dragon]

No, it has both

It's got slow startup and bad recovery

[summer elk]

The start up frames feel worse for me.

[crude dragon]

And the recovery scales up the longer you charge it

[storm glen]

if it had area clear it would be like decent

u have to go through all that for like a mid power level move tho

[mortal dragon]

Anyway I think it's funny that so many games have parry mechanic now Silksong has a parry skill too.

[crude dragon]

Technically speaking, the first game also had parries

Hollow Knight, not Hades

[mortal dragon]

Oh yeah I guess

But the retaliatory strike with a flourish didn't come til Silksong.

[summer elk]

I mean, I don't think it's a recent development.

[mortal dragon]

Perhaps not but anecdotally I feel like it's showing up in people's awareness a lot more. Outside of like, Fromsoft, where it's been a thing for ages.

[nova oar]

Might just be a you thing tbh

Parry mechanics aren't smth revolutionised by silksong

[crisp comet]

If you take off the Embryo do you lose the power?

[mortal dragon]

I'm not saying it did it's just an example of the thing itself being more common in games recently.

But yeah it's pure vibes.

[nova oar]

I want a h2 parry mechanic

[cunning laurel]

hey good news

[nova oar]

Let me use my fighting game skills

[mortal dragon]

Well you have Artemis

[nova oar]

NOT THAT ONE

I want a default parry mechanic

Would it be balanced? No

[nova oar]

Horrible aspect

[cunning laurel]

how would the parry work

i'm just imagining artemis but it can be reactive

[nova oar]

Hit a button maybe 0.1-0.2 seconds before an attack lands

Grants move speed for a second

5 second cooldown

Put it on an arcana

[stark ridge]

Why can we only recycle certain items?

[nova oar]

Some are for metaprogression so people don't accidentally lock themselves out of things or massively slow down the game

[stark ridge]

I mean it's marked which item you need and which item you don't need anymore

[dim canyon]

i love the artemis blades

even if they are bad they feel so good

and i dont even really understand when people say its bad

its literally I frames that give you 50% crit chance

[hearty fog]

Its Aspect gimmick is pretty unwieldy, I can give critics that.

[nova oar]

Not bad, just weaker than all the other aspects

Except selene

[dim canyon]

i havent played nuch of the others so maybe thats why

[hearty fog]

What's the Mel Daggers build?

[stark ridge]

Hestia, Air Quality Zeus, Heph I'd say?

[nova oar]

Iframes are nice, but standing and getting hit works against just about everything else in the game, and the crit is just wierd in that you can use it all in about a second and it's still just a chance

[nova oar]

Trick knives %damage

[dim canyon]

i get the crit part, for me the parry was quite nice when timed right, it felt satisfying staying in a good position, avoiding an attack there, then pumping out some massive damage

[nova oar]

I feel like it would be alot better if it wasn't on oattack

[dim canyon]

the weapon as a whole is a very personal preference kinda thing

[nova oar]

The amount of extra damage you get out of parrying just isn't there compared to 100% backstab damage

I do like playing it for sweeping ambush builds

[nova oar]

Pretty much

[restive ibex]

why are the achievement completion percents for beating Erebus and Oceanus so low

[nova oar]

Early access players that never returned for 1.0

[restive ibex]

that'd do it

i'm surprised i even got that far in two hours, though Chronos popping up that early scares me and makes me worried i'm progressing too quick

[broken creek]

You're not, in EA I either got to or beat chronos by run 4 lmao

There's still a lot of game left to be played, plus if you win quick then you get fear faster to ramp up the difficulty

[nova oar]

You can't dw

[restive ibex]

i know that there's some sort of anti-speedrun precaution, i was just worried i'm starting to trigger it already lmao

[nova oar]

You'll know that when u run into eris

[restive ibex]

i already have

[ashen hollow]

Late but nowadays yeah, pan has been absolutely gutted it's sad

[restive ibex]

she gave me a "blessing" that made things hit harder and i got domed in the first two or three rooms

[nova oar]

Oh yeah that's the mechanic

You can still clear with it

I've done it first night but it takes like 20 minutes

[hearty fog]

Pan is probably the worst standalone Aspect in the game, but Trick Knives is incredibly broken and it does work especially well with Pan.

[ashen hollow]

Like I know pan was basically chiron 2 in ea but I think the poseidon nerf was already enough

[restive ibex]

oh i don't doubt you can, i just. am Bad at this Game

[nova oar]

Pan just got absolutely nuked

[hearty fog]

They reverted the Poseidon nerfs but the post-Omega Special hold killed its normal loop.

[ashen hollow]

But that's just because trick knives is busted, it's probably one of the best hammer in the game

[restive ibex]

I will say the Twin Sisters were my favorite of the three weapons i've tried so far, especially since I got Solar Flourish at Epic rather early and just. Blew Everything Up

[hearty fog]

Yup.

[restive ibex]

think i got trick knives too, i could be wrong on the name though

[nova oar]

Possessed array is stronger, but bigger downside

[restive ibex]

120 constant damage per Special felt unfathomably unfair

[red fox]

Well at least skull is a good weapon without parray

[ashen hollow]

I don't mind knife now tbh, used to hate it without morrigan

[nova oar]

It's weird seeing new players opinions on the game

[ashen hollow]

The attack spam is good with a lot of stuff

But yeah morrigan is my goat

[restive ibex]

i just came from Hades 1 okay

[nova oar]

Yeah ik i'm having to hold myself back 😭

[restive ibex]

the numbers are SO much lower over there (in my experience, anyway )

[nova oar]

'What do you mean u don't know the meta and best boons'

[buoyant matrix]

correct, mel is stronger than zag

[ashen hollow]

Oh yeah but the hp bar is big in hades 2 too

[nova oar]

Mel has less health tho

[ashen hollow]

I meant enemies

[restive ibex]

zag starts at 50, mel 30

i feel weird for thinking that the banshees might be the scariest enemy in the earlygame, especially when you don't know how her Cast works

i also keep forgetting sprinting is an actual mechanic.

[ashen hollow]

Sprint is weird to get used to after the dash of 1

[buoyant matrix]

my personal recommendation is turn on auto sprint

[restive ibex]

i'm fine with the jogging lowkey

i flawlessed Hecate by pure accident without sprinting so there's that 😭

[crisp comet]

Sorry was mid run, like the amount of time it takes to get your i-frames back?

[ashen hollow]

No it's how long it takes until you can execute the next action

[crude dragon]

No, like the amount of time you're stuck in an attack animation before you can act again

[ashen hollow]

In pan case it's horrendous

[restive ibex]

definitely a better first boss fight than the Furies methinks

[nova oar]

Not for speedruns

Asshat of a fight

[ashen hollow]

She is a god tier staller

[crisp comet]

I see

well what a shame

[crude dragon]

You take that back, her hat is magnificent

[crisp comet]

so perhaps max arty then

[nova oar]

And the ads that just love running away

[restive ibex]

doomed to be a sheep

[ashen hollow]

Wait till you see extreme measures god I hate hecate only slightly less than sirens

[restive ibex]

can you actually avoid the polymorph

[ashen hollow]

Yes

[nova oar]

Oh that i dodge every time

[nova oar]

Lmao she's not that bad

[ashen hollow]

But sometimes it just aren't worth, you'll be better off getting sheeped

[restive ibex]

i like the sheep moment, helps me stay slow and not rush through it all

[nova oar]

[crisp comet]

EM is like legit so hard in this compared to h1

[ashen hollow]

Nah I think most fights are fine and fun

[crude dragon]

There's a reason it's a 2-Fear Vow instead of only 1

[crisp comet]

other than Hades himself none really felt that bad. I got rocked by hec an the cyclpose I'm afriad to see the other bosses

[ashen hollow]

Just sirens is cancer

[restive ibex]

i miss sisyphus

[nova oar]

Rivals are harder yeah

[nova oar]

Rivals poly is considered the easiest rivals fight

[crisp comet]

to be fair I was caught off guard by it, didn't realize I had it on

[crude dragon]

You'd think that would be Eris

[restive ibex]

i hope there isn't a boss that'll annoy me like Theseus did

[ashen hollow]

Cyclops is hard as first but gets exponentially easier once you fingure him out

[crude dragon]

:)

[restive ibex]

not in the "oh this fight is hard" annoying the "SHUT UP AND LET ME KILL YOU" kind of annoying

[crisp comet]

How does it work by the way, I can only activate it once for 2 fear, once you beat both poly and hec does it move onto the other bosses for 2 more fear?

[restive ibex]

he's just talks SO much crap for how LITTLE he does

[nova oar]

Either or tbf

[ashen hollow]

Yes

[nova oar]

Yep

[crisp comet]

So for max heat it's on for every boss

er, fear

[ashen hollow]

Yes

[crude dragon]

I mean, you've definitely got at least one yapper when it comes to the bosses

[nova oar]

Yep

[restive ibex]

are they a theseus kind of yapper though

there's a key difference

[crisp comet]

word

[crude dragon]

I mean, do you consider Scylla do be that kind of yapper?

Or Prometheus?

[restive ibex]

Scylla sings so no, I haven't gotten to Prometheus yet so i'm not sure

i liked the sirens actually, they were fun

[crisp comet]

Seems like people are clearing max fear way easier than max heat but I'm def struggling more with this game, the builds haven't clicked yet for me. I got 32 heat with every weapon pretty easily on h1

I just did 16 heat and struggled a bit

[ashen hollow]

When you see the em version you will know pain

[nova oar]

Max fear and fear in general is easier

[red fox]

H2 has quite an amount of free fear

[nova oar]

Alot less rng and yeah free fear

[red fox]

And less bs fear

[restive ibex]

oh golly

[crisp comet]

Which ones are free

[crude dragon]

TBF, max Fear in this game is significantly fairer than it was in the first game

[red fox]

Time shadow menace denial hubris

[ashen hollow]

2 tier of time is free

[crisp comet]

I don't fully understand all of them, wouldn't the one that takes away all your graps remove arcana?

[ashen hollow]

That's the one you do last

[crisp comet]

Yeah true it was thought impossible for so long

[red fox]

Void is the only bs fear

[ashen hollow]

That's the 62 to 67 one

[crude dragon]

It does, and it's the reason you never turn that on except for the prophecy

[crisp comet]

Ok makes sense lol

[restive ibex]

i low-key struggled on one heat but it was high-key because of theseus being a BIGGIE and eating up ALL my death defiance

hoping fear really is easier

[crisp comet]

ty

[ashen hollow]

Just slap on time and horde

And frenzy later if you want spice

[crude dragon]

Hordes is one of those ones you want to avoid until you can't

Frenzy is better to learn early

[restive ibex]

i was masochistic and made everything tankier

[red fox]

Free doesn't mean turn on and everything is same, there is some adjustments but they don't really make game much more difficult

[nova oar]

Hordes goes on way later, like after 40-50

[crude dragon]

With honorable mentions to Frenzy and Rivals for simply being new things to learn

[nova oar]

You can get an easy 32 free fear tho

[restive ibex]

kinda wish i turned on the HP modifier back when i got clockets rail for the first time for free bounties

[nova oar]

Scars 2 is hella free too

[restive ibex]

anyway, what's the general consensus on weaponry? the twin blades were pretty fun i think

[crude dragon]

Knives are largely considered the weakest

[nova oar]

Staff is strongest, blades are weakest

[restive ibex]

Damn.

[nova oar]

But there are aspects just like hades 1

[crude dragon]

Though unlike the first game, most of the weapons are at least functional into the higher Fear tiers

[ashen hollow]

How is coat these days, I really hated them back in ea

[restive ibex]

man i really have a knack for picking the weakest stuff still huh

[nova oar]

Oh yeah every aspect has been used for 52-65f

[ashen hollow]

Probably my least played weapon

[nova oar]

Second weakest after blades but much more playable, and has a 67f clear

[restive ibex]

granted i've only played a round of 3 weapons so far, but i like the diversity of them all

i actually liked playing the ranged option unlike in H1 LMAO

[crude dragon]

There's a second ranged weapon besides the torches

[ashen hollow]

? Staff is pretty long ranged

Dash strike special weaving early game at least

[crude dragon]

No, I mean the 40mm grenade launcher

[restive ibex]

the what

[ashen hollow]

Ah

[nova oar]

The skull

[nova oar]

You'll find out

[restive ibex]

i'm terrified already

probably gonna go with either flames or staff for now, as much as i don't want to i'm going to wisely stay away from the knives

[crude dragon]

One of the alt variants for it has you forgo launching it in favor of punching enemies with the live explosive

[restive ibex]

oh that's funny.

that's really funny actually

[crude dragon]

It's also the highest-DPS weapon in the game

[nova oar]

You don't have to

[mortal dragon]

I won first with the knives

[nova oar]

Best aspect is literally just a kamikaze simulation

[restive ibex]

i know i don't have to, i just don't wanna rely on the suboptimal pick again

[ashen hollow]

Medea is hard but extremely strong

[restive ibex]

oh that's hilarious

[mortal dragon]

They might not be suboptimal at first

[ashen hollow]

It's beywolf without the shield

[nova oar]

I feel like blades are in the same boat as hexes

Stronger early but suck late game

[nova oar]

Another thing, don't crutch on hexes

[mortal dragon]

You gotta remember these people are juicing up fear to untold levels and completing a run in 10 minutes

[restive ibex]

i never got beowulf

[ashen hollow]

Right, hexes are still mid...

[restive ibex]

i've gotten hexes like twice total

[ashen hollow]

I don't know how I was expecting them to fix it tbh

Just the whole concept of hex is so eh

[nova oar]

They also discourage learning builds

[restive ibex]

and the only time i really used the hex was with the flames, where i was actually using magick instead of just throwing hands the Hades 1 way

[ashen hollow]

Oh you should totally be using magick more on most weapons

[mortal dragon]

What everyone here finds optimal is not necessarily going to be a working strategy at the start of the game.

[restive ibex]

apollo boons though

i love turning my cast into a Bomb

[nova oar]

You'd be surprised

[ashen hollow]

If you want bomb you need poseidon on a cast build

[nova oar]

You'll like aspect of charon then

[red fox]

Hazard boom

[restive ibex]

both times i was able to make my cast explosive it was Epic rarity, so Apollo is a fan of me to say the least

[ashen hollow]

He has a truly gross cast boons

[crisp comet]

Apparently I wasn't using denial or Hubris

[crude dragon]

Momus, too

[crisp comet]

Denial seems kinda bad because if you see a boon you like but can't pick it, it'll never show up again?

[restive ibex]

also solar flourish knives throwing was how i absolutely shredded Hecate once

[crude dragon]

Yep, that's the downside to it

[crisp comet]

So not free per say

[crude dragon]

It's learnable

[crisp comet]

hm

[restive ibex]

also random question but Hephaestus still isn't here, is he

[ashen hollow]

Need to do more runs

[nova oar]

He is

[ashen hollow]

They will force the new gods to show up when you unlock them

[restive ibex]

[ashen hollow]

When I say forced I do mean forced

[restive ibex]

i'm actually looking forward to seeing the new gods roster, my jaw dropped when i saw Hestia for the first time

[red fox]

Non of them is actually free but they don't make game more difficult, a boon doesn't show up anymore isn't really more difficult because sometime a boon refused to show up anyway

[broken creek]

Not the mh rise emote 😭

[nova oar]

All of them are fairly equal in power, except Zeus or Hera, they're more equal than the rest

[restive ibex]

i was worried Hephaestus wouldn't be here because of Hestia though, since it seemed somewhat odd to have two sort-of fire-related gods in the roster in my head

[ashen hollow]

Ah Kings ransom is soooo funny

[restive ibex]

i wonder if heph interacts with daedalus hammers

[ashen hollow]

Sadly no

[broken creek]

Nope

[restive ibex]

damn.

that would've been cool if he did

like a random stray perk that said "increase the effectiveness of daedalus hammer upgrades by ~% " or something, ion know

he prolly just sets more things on fire now that i think about it

[ashen hollow]

Why does poseidon never want to give me geyser sprout

[restive ibex]

because he doesn't wanna give you geyser sprout

[buoyant matrix]

yeah about that

I'll just say look forward to it

[crude dragon]

His Legendary is +1 rank to your aspects, though (and yes, this can take them to rank 6)

[ashen hollow]

I wished hep core boons weren't super rarity dependent but at least it's better than when they sucked

[honest tulip]

BRUH I just took ||Divine Dash and Athena said "Your brother's favorite" 😭😭😭 SO TRUE THO||

[buoyant matrix]

yeah it was by far the most taken boon in hades 1

[tropic ravine]

finally back from my cruise time for 100% hades 2

[tropic ravine]

sad thing that its not as good as before :(

[calm flicker]

Isn't it? It deals more DMG & seems to have just as long of a duration in Hades 2 as it did in Hades 1.

[buoyant matrix]

significantly less projectiles and deflectable attacks in the game

[calm flicker]

Oh yeah.

I did hear Supergiant had to change how enemies attacked in Hades 2 since Melinoe has a sprint & only 1 dash.

[jovial garden]

Man, does anyone know how to make a decent build for aspect of Nergal? People talk glory about this aspect but I keep getting clapped with it lmao

[calm flicker]

As fun as Nergal is, it took me 5 attempts to finally do a 16 fear surface run.

[lost nova]

||hope hypnos can send me to a dreamworld where i can kill typhon again||

[calm flicker]

I too kept getting rolled with Nergal. I get complacent. Anything that didn't congeal into red paste after 3-4 hits I would wail on to the point of massively overextending.

[red fox]

Psychic whirlwind

[merry whale]

i like throwing hera on attack with a basic gain boon like born gain

psychic is the defining nergal hammer for sure

[jovial garden]

Yeah I try to grab it whenever I can, it's kind of unplayable if you don't have it lol

[calm flicker]

At any rate, what possible advantage does Furious Whirlwind provide over Psychic Whirlwind?

[jovial garden]

I think it's probably a worse option by itself

[red fox]

Well...if psychic whirlwind doesn't show up

[calm flicker]

Actually, I find Nergal's omega attack to feel better than Thanatos' when it has a shorter duration (subsequently less time to expose oneself).

[calm flicker]

Yeah. But it's a basic design philosophy that, even if an upgrade/skill/etc. is intended to be largely inferior to the other, it, at least, has a saving grace.

[honest tulip]

I mean... It can stack now so...

[red fox]

Getting psychic whirlwind and iron core is the dream run

[honest tulip]

Also HOLEY hell just finally beat the up

Bruh that boss is hard 😭

[calm flicker]

What's the up?

[jovial garden]

Sometimes things are just worse ig.
But having both might be cool

[red fox]

The saving grace is you can't pick best option everytime because it doesn't show up everytime

[honest tulip]

I'm being as spoiler neutral as possible

I feel like the up is pretty explanatory only if thoust knowth it

[jovial garden]

Talking about that, I've been trying to figure out a way to have as many hammers as possible, I wonder what's the limit?

[calm flicker]

Or 4.

[unborn snow]

Why aren't there achievements on the Switch like on Steam? 😔😔 I would enjoy completing them

[red fox]

I believe someone got 7 or something

[calm flicker]

Unless the Daedalus Anvil doesn't spawn when Experimental Hammer is equipped.

[calm flicker]

Sounds like some serious RNG fishing with The Fates Arcana.

[red fox]

Some artificer and echo shenanigans

[jovial garden]

Well what if you got the duplicate item shop from echo for the daedalus anvil and equipped Icarus' keepsake? 🧐

[rough lintel]

yo chat wanna see something mad

[calm flicker]

Come to think of it, why does the Daedalus Anvil cost 650? Doesn't a Daedalus Hammer cost only 200? And the Daedalus Hammer costs 1 Daedalus boon too!

[jovial garden]

And it's not like you get the pick which ones, this game tends to make random things cheaper

Sometimes

Anvil should be like 375 at most fr

[rough lintel]

i just killed typhon before he even get to swing his laser attack

wanna see the build?

took me 5s to kiled him

the luck is mad for this run

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233146305308528650/1458375537402577001/IMG_3658.jpg?ex=695f698f&is=695e180f&hm=96b915d5378f626cde083ade28b3314bdfdefcf68fbef3c2c227daada6032941&

[red fox]

Tbf it probably be expensive to discourage people buy that terrible thing

[rough lintel]

air quality + meat grinder + flare + charon axe = nuke

if only i get demeter's gust for the cast

[jovial garden]

Light of the sun lunar ray go brrrr

[rough lintel]

funnily enough the dps of the ray, even with AQ is worse

LOL

the dps was so high typhon didn't even show up in the most damage suffered

i think i killed him before the hp bar finish registering

like the hp bar doesn't even ticked down quickly enough

[jovial garden]

Now do it with 67 fear + your hands tied + blindfolded

[rough lintel]

see if i somehow get this identical seed

i can prolly do it

[jovial garden]

Atp I'm just trying to get as many kudos as I can to reach maximum rank and buy off everything I'm missing to finally 100% this game

I've already done literally everything possible

[rough lintel]

Hades 1

[jovial garden]

Did that too

Hades 2 made me unable to play Hades 1 anymore tho, I feel power crept

[karmic flame]

play modded then

[queen cosmos]

Where did air quality and nuke come from 💀

[nova oar]

Air quality massively boosts several boons

[queen cosmos]

Wtf

I thought aqi keeps lungs healthy

[rough lintel]

the flare and meat grinder apply like 10 damage every .3 seconds for each casts

and charon axe let you spam casts

[queen cosmos]

As a person who forgot everything in hades 2, this feels like a joke

Cursed alchemy

[rough lintel]

yessir

with that build each casts deals 3k damage

and i can spam like 1 cast every second

i think typhon "only" has like 20k hp? iirc

[nova oar]

65k

[rough lintel]

god damn then that nuke build is wayyy stronger than i thought

coz i also got 2x hits from special with the hammer and then 2x with the apollo boon

[limber lodge]

||guys i have beat chronos twice now and can stop him for good with some mystery ingredient. anyone know what it is? and if so dont tell me outright just give me some pointers please.||

[cursive nacelle]

keep winning runs and youll find out

[limber lodge]

sounds good thanks boss

[nova oar]

You need to keep winning runs on both routes

[nimble kernel]

Moonlight guide us

Salutations

[tiny gust]

||something really interesting about characters in hades 2 is that none of the NPC characters (athena, artemis, hermes) seem to speak much of their descriptor: artemis and her hunting, athena and her wisdom, hermes and his speed. the only character who speaks WAY TOO MUCH about it is Dionysus who cant stop talking about drinking and partying. i'm trying to investigate why that is||

[nova oar]

I think you're reading into it too much

[tiny gust]

no it's pretty interesting i think from a linguistic point of view

the dialogue for some characters seems to exist exclusively to characterize them through their traits

like ||ares has so many lines about war|| while ||there are almost no zeus lines about thunder and lightning||

it's interesting to see why the writing seems to favor some characters over others in that sense

[limpid oar]

doesn't Artemis mention hunting like any time she shows up

THE HUNT IS ON

[tiny gust]

only 16.3% of her lines have words from that lexical field ("hunt", "track", "shoot" etc)

it seems to be very situational. when she's only offering you a boon, there's a lot of hunting mentioned, but when you're at the crossroads, almost nothing at all

in the crossroads she almost just becomes Goddess of the Singing LMAO

[limpid oar]

Yeah she speaks of hunting more when she's out hunting, makes sense to me 🔥

[tiny gust]

not exactlyyy but yeah pretty much

there's more to it. ||athena has almost no lines about wisdom even when she's talking about defending mount olympus for example||

[limpid oar]

She'd showing her wisdom through action rather than speaking about it. That's why we love Athena

[tiny gust]

i agree !!!!

like how do you portray someone as "wise" without having them go "Me smart brain and genius" every other line

super cool to see how some characters like poseidon just say "fish and water" the whole game while some express their descriptors through actions instead

the most interesting case is hermes

not only does he speak really fast, he calls you "M"

[tiny gust]

which is clever because it both lets him speak faster ("god of swiftness") and sounds like he's delivering a letter to you ("messenger of the gods")

[nimble kernel]

Athena speaks of the ongoing war. She not just a god of widsom. she's also a god of war like Ares. Many gods have different domains and are not just restricted to those. For example you mention Dio but he does not once speak of theatre despite being the god of theatre. it's whatever's appropriate for the situation. Zeus doesn't mention lightning and thunder much because if you think about it, why is the King of the gods speaking of thunder when he has a war to tend to lmao

[tiny gust]

i agree with most of what you're saying

apollo seems to be the only god to acknowledge that gods are WAY MORE than just one trait at one point

but for most purposes each god really is just one, MAYBE TWO things (e.g. demeter being "cold" and "seasons", hephaestus being "forge" and "work")

[tiny gust]

in the game, that is

but like, your logic could apply to the argument, "why would hestia speak so much about fire and heat when she has a war to tend to"

but over half her lines are about fire and warmth

from what i've investigated, the four things that influence those lexical field proportions are

1. character personality/disposition
2. the subject matter of their traits
3. if the character is an NPC or not
4. importance of the character to the overall story

[calm sorrel]

Does flood gain work with possessed array?

[buoyant matrix]

yes

[loud laurel]

hello, not sure if it fits here in this chat, but I wanted to buy hades 2. because I enjoyed first one. But I am travelling in asia for 3 months and my steam is in vietnam currency now and it shows me price 15 dollars (which is half I think). Is it safe to buy it or I should rather wait after returning back to my country in EU

nevermind, it seems switching VPN is againts TOS, but you can buy it while travelling fine

[carmine oar]

he does do like 55 things tbf, of course he's kinda the jack of all trades for the gods

music archery medicine disease light prophecy poetry, a side gig as the sun, and probably more that i'm forgetting about

[ashen hollow]

I am so cracked with bridal glow

[lost nova]

||wait, chronos steals the bosses now?||

[slim pike]

???

[split shuttle]

i think dezember is talking about the ||dissolution of time|| run

[white coyote]

it will only be for that run

[jolly hound]

If you run rivals 4 on the dissolution of time run, do you still get infinite lives at the end? might wanna cheese a 62 fear run if that works lol

[lost nova]

wait there was no possibility to die at the end?

[jolly hound]

on third phase only, yes, only for that one run

[lost nova]

and is one "death" scripted?

[slim pike]

You can't unlock rivals 4 before that point

[jolly hound]

reset the story after already unlocking it was the “plan”

[slim pike]

Not sure you can enable it even if you roll back?

[jolly hound]

damn

[split shuttle]

huh i turned back the story using the hades thingy and it let me use rivals 4

this was a while ago tho

[slim pike]

Might be okay then

but it might not allow that run for bounties/unlocks

Hecate is just missing, as are literally all NPC encounters

it's a bit of a bodgy run

[split shuttle]

yeah plus the obvious infinite dds in p3 thing

100% wouldnt be considered a real 62f just cuz of hecate dipping alone

[rose mantle]

where is the vow of rivals on the oath of the unseen?

[nova oar]

Very bottom

In its own row

[rose mantle]

lies its not there

[slim pike]

must be unlocked first

[rose mantle]

how

[slim pike]

there's an incantation

have you beaten both paths yet?

[rose mantle]

no

i just beat chronos on monday

[slim pike]

there's your answer

you need to prove you can beat all normal mode bosses before you get the hard mode ones

[jolly hound]

each level requires like 2 or 3 wins vs the previous level of rivals I think

[slim pike]

just the one each

except you need to meet charybdis at least once to get rivals 2

[jolly hound]

oh that’s what it is, I knew there was something weird

[sturdy magnet]

Wrath of the Heavens is my favorite ost in Hades II

[nova oar]

Oh you've only seen half the bosses then

[inner arrow]

Finally beat 32 fear

[split shuttle]

finally someone who likes peak

[sturdy magnet]

I swear this suits Prometheus more than Olympus Aflame.

Switch the titles.

[tiny gust]

late response but looking through every single line of dialogue for the article i'm writing abt hades 2 it was really relieving to find a concrete line about the gods only having one trait

artemis at one point says:
“...I'm not just all about precision here, am I? We gods get cast as one thing and that's it. Father Zeus and his thunder, Uncle Poseidon and his water, Apollo and his... hair.”

its funny that apollo identifies not just as the god of music plagues light etc etc but now he has a new one. god of hair. Lord of the Hair

he gives you hair boons such as Comb Flourish and Keratin Strike

[split shuttle]

plus music is more banger than olympus aflame imo

[shrewd oak]

ive gotten my first winning streak. yay

[tiny gust]

GOOD JOB what weapon were you using

[shrewd oak]

the torches

the only ones ive won with so far xD

[tiny gust]

top tier weapon

thats the only one i like using for magick

[shrewd oak]

both wins with a similar setup as well

[tiny gust]

im gonna guess zeus because zeus is the truth

[shrewd oak]

zeus special, hestia attack, hera cast and as many other boons i could get xD

[sturdy magnet]

Fr. It has the intimidating aura of Prometheus

[shrewd oak]

oh and poseidon gave me the one that duplicates stuff sometimes which was peak

do i need to use spoiler marks here

[slim pike]

not here

[shrewd oak]

maybe i shouldn't be here then... i don't wanna get stuff spoiled

welp time to try vow of rivals for the first time

[nimble rivet]

Not really from my POV

Wrath of the Heavens sounds like just that; the wrath of the heavens, the heavens being Mount Olympus. The song sounds extremely ominous while at the same time being 'grand', and it mirrors the darker side of the Olympian Gods

[lime crest]

whats the deal with chaos challenges?

are they just a "one last quick run" thing?

because so far theyve been pretty easy, but ive only done about 5 of them

[shrewd oak]

okay started it and immediately had to take a break. unfortunately i have gotten a pretty bad start 😭

[shrewd oak]

the ones at the pillar?

they give you a special resource that can do a ton of useful stuff

[timid vigil]

yeah they're all easy and meant to show you a possible build or show specific stuff from some gods

[lime crest]

oh yeah theres the resource too, i think ive only used it for some weapon aspects i think

[lime crest]

yea i had a run where i got zeus legendary power, it was very fun! though im pretty sure thats pretty much garanteed

[timid vigil]

its a resource you use to craft specific items in the cauldron

you use it to get other resources pretty much

and some incantations too

[shrewd oak]

ive got that power in an actual run. it's so damn fun

attacking a crowd and seeing it proc a bunch is amazing

[lime crest]

youre so lucky!!!

only legendary power ive found so far is ares'

and it kinda sucks... anything with ares related to his little drops suck imo

[cunning laurel]

grisly gain isnt horrible

[hollow crest]

what would be the easiest 16 heat? i always use the Timer one

[devout cairn]

is it timer 3

[median plinth]

something like this looks pretty comfortable to getting a feel for higher fear: https://h2crossroads.pages.dev/FearCalculator/?vows=WzAsMCwwLDAsMCwwLDAsNSwwLDAsMiwwLDMsMCwxLDAsNV0=

can up rivals/frenzy/timer/hubris to climb

[jolly hound]

If your goal is to push fear, frenzy 2 timer 3, take your obligatory 10 losses per tick of frenzy, and then you’ll find the default game really slow and you’ll be set up to go harder in the future. Don’t fear timer 3!

[ashen hollow]

Nah nah nah nah nah I just reached the ending, why is chronos posed up so zesty

This fruity ah mf

The aura loss is insane

[hollow crest]

frenzy is literally the absolute hardest fear option

[devout cairn]

twink chronos was a big crime