h2-discussion

[shadow river]

Dude this was so frustrating when I was trying to wake Hypnos the second time.

[fickle drum]

I think that's the only difference.

[glacial light]

Yup 👍

That and the rolls on wheels are worse overall ngl

[fickle drum]

Thessaly is playing catchup with regards to minor finds.

So you see a lot of those.

[hearty fog]

I'm pretty sure I've had a single ship in Thessaly give me major and minor rewards.

[glacial light]

Thessaly makes me regret not running artificer or chrolex

[fickle drum]

I was thinking about Chrolex earlier.

[hearty fog]

My favorite part about finally trying Fate's Whim the last few weeks has been rerolling all the minors.

[fickle drum]

About what the use case for it.

I feel like for the most part it's just rejecting rewards you actually don't want.

[hearty fog]

Reroll a minor into a Hex you didn't want? Boom, 500 gold out of nowhere.

[glacial light]

Only thing good Thessaly has done for me is never give me hexs

[cunning laurel]

i actually dont recall ever getting selene from artificer

[carmine oar]

selene is the biggest distributor of gold in the game 🔥

[fickle drum]

Why do people hate hexes so much?

[carmine oar]

they just kinda like. suck

[hearty fog]

Because they're not very well-integrated with the rest of Melinoe's kit.

[carmine oar]

i'd rather literally anything else

[shadow river]

I am still at the point where I am playing through and smashing things.

[hearty fog]

They require more than a little investment to really get going, and that's if your Path of Stars is cooperating.

[fickle drum]

It's just a free bonus effect button.

[hearty fog]

There's times I really want a Hex and I just don't get any of the upgrades I need to make it worth using.

[shadow river]

Thats fair though

[timid vigil]

Can't reroll, doesn't work well when you're running an aspect that doesn't use omegas, a lot of them are bad, etc etc

Require a lot of investiment too

[sturdy magnet]

This is a crime to have me fight Cerberus

[vital hollow]

Yeah, but that bonus pauses the game for a few seconds

[shadow river]

I dont really bother with selene unless I have the black coat of hers on.

[timid vigil]

Some however are pretty good just as a baseline, like wolf howl for invul frames and twilight curse

[shadow river]

I was so heart broken to fight him the first time.

[fickle drum]

I like Polly Beam

I like Hestyclipse

I REALLY like Hestyclipse

[shadow river]

I also want more Zag and Mel interactions. They are so cute.

[hearty fog]

I hear Hestyclipse solos the Sirens. I still haven't done it yet.

[sturdy magnet]

I wanted to kick Chronos butt for that

[cunning laurel]

what's free about it

[fickle drum]

It takes no time to press?

[shadow river]

At least they frames it as helping him. It is so sad that you get TEARS from him though.

[hearty fog]

Good luck smoothly integrating Hex usage into a Medea run.

[cunning laurel]

its -1 boon

[shadow river]

Whats a Medea run??

[hearty fog]

Aspect of one of the weapons.

[shadow river]

ahhhh

[timid vigil]

Before roxy goes away?

[fickle drum]

I'm not sure if those tears are actually Cerby's own tears.

[shadow river]

Its implied the first time you beat him.

[jolly hound]

It is way easier to use a hex when your weapon is omega heavy (Charon axe, torches etc) but if it isn’t then it takes mad work to get it up and running. I will however usually make twilight curse work for me it’s cheap

[sturdy magnet]

||I always give Cerberus as much pets after fighting him||

[timid vigil]

Tbh you don't need much for twilight curse to be worth

[fickle drum]

I am a The Moon enjoyer. :\

[timid vigil]

And the godsent for it is on the best god of the game

[sturdy magnet]

I always listen to Moonlight Guide Us whenever I look at the moon

[fickle drum]

I meant the card

[hearty fog]

Hexes aren't bad. But they stick out a bit from the rest of your build.

[shadow river]

Do I have to complete the prophesy Melenoe Seek Us before the thing with Moros' pin works?

[fickle drum]

You've not played the game if you've never used Hadouken.

[hearty fog]

That they still have a habit of showing up on the Summit even if you haven't taken them by that point hurts them a little.

[shadow river]

Not correctly at least.

[jolly hound]

I’ll take one just to hear her call me little star ngl

[sturdy magnet]

Oh

[shadow river]

I feel like if you haven't taken them for the first 2 floors, they shouldnt be offering them in Tartarus or the Summit.

[fickle drum]

Does the Summit use a special reward pool?

[shadow river]

Hard agree.

[hearty fog]

Tartarus is pretty good about it, there was a period of time when basically both miniboss choices on the Summit were guaranteed to be a Hex or a triple Pom.

[sturdy magnet]

I’m a Death Enjoyer

I need my death defiance

[carmine oar]

i love hexes. they're the best 500 gold ever

[fickle drum]

Or does the Summit use the same reward pool as Tartarus?

[hearty fog]

The irony of you saying this with your current screenname.

[shadow river]

Really? I only really get the triple pom in the Underworld.

[hearty fog]

Really?

I don't think I've ever been to the Summit without seeing a triple pom on at least one door.

[fickle drum]

I mean, if you don't want to see the hex then just take the other door? There's always two right?

[hearty fog]

First miniboss has gotten a little better about offering two Olympians, Tail/Eye fight is still super prone to triple poms.

[shadow river]

Yeah. Mostly its just God boons and some max magic on the Summit.

[hearty fog]

Poms are really reduced value in H2.

[shadow river]

OH YEAH

I noticed that,

[fickle drum]

Rare pom is pretty good still.

[shadow river]

I wasn't sure if it was intentional or not.

Also, They make it really hard to decorate the crossroads.

[nova oar]

Huh?

[hearty fog]

There's a few instances where Poms are still super strong, Pyro Technique probably being the single-strongest Pom in the game, but for the most part Poms have fallen off.

So in instances where I've used all my rerolls by the time I'm on the Summit, I really don't want to an unupgraded Hex or a few levels that don't do anything for my build.

[fickle drum]

But like, when do you pick up Chrolex?

[shadow river]

Lots of useful stuff but you become prone to hoarding because you never know what youre gonna need that stuff for so you cant trade anything in.

[fickle drum]

Like r1 is Jpom

[hearty fog]

When going into r2.

[fickle drum]

What about card?

[charred dome]

Should I run Defiance or Strength arcana?

[fickle drum]

Yes.

[nova oar]

Never

[hearty fog]

I'll take Calling Card 3rd region if at all.

[shadow river]

Do you use all of your death defiance alot???

[nova oar]

Strength

[shadow river]

I hardly use one on a run now.

If you use them a bunch, Strength is the way to go.

[hearty fog]

While it's fun to bump a common Hermes boon to Heroic, that's less useful than entirely too much gold. Especially if you can't afford a boon to upgrade in the first place.

[charred dome]

My last 8 runs I haven't popped once so not rly, although I'm on pretty low fear

doing 8-10f

[shadow river]

If you bump your fear, go Strength.

[fickle drum]

I haven't used Strength much because I keep choosing Cat so I can catch more fish, which doesn't mesh well with Strength.

[charred dome]

okey, strength seem like more fun anyways

[fickle drum]

But otherwise, I'd probably use Strength a bit more often.

[jolly hound]

Once you get used to strength you won’t go back til you get in the super high fear zone

[shadow river]

I am running through the prophesies before really exploring fear. I am going to upgrade my weapons once I get the darn fates back.

[charred dome]

oki thx

[fickle drum]

Like, in my experience what people say is true. The damage reduction from Strength is a lot more significant than it first appears.

[shadow river]

I have trouble timing the pin with the waves in Oceanus.

[nova oar]

Do both at the same time

[nova oar]

Kill things 1 by 1 until there is 1 enemy left

Means no more enemy spawns

[fickle drum]

Wait, not doing oath of the unseen until you literally do everything in the game is uh... Not the approach I would take.

[shadow river]

Yeah but some rooms have 2 waves of enemies and some rooms have 3.

[sturdy magnet]

Same. I miss Zagreus and his sarcasm

I also miss Thanatos as well

[shadow river]

They are best boys.

[fickle drum]

I just upped the Fear levels as soon as I got the oath.

[nova oar]

Did u not read what I said

[fickle drum]

The trick is to pick the ones that don't matter.

[shadow river]

Might rerun Hades just to get my bois.

[nova oar]

Enemies will keep spawning

[fickle drum]

Like, vow of time does not matter.

What Luthien is saying: If there is only one enemy, there will NOT be more enemies.

[sturdy magnet]

I replay the first game before playing Hades 2

I forgot how funny and charming Zag was.

[fickle drum]

Zag's "Charm" is coping with a depressing situation. LUL

[sturdy magnet]

I love Melinoë combat style more but Zagreus personality capture my heart.

[shadow river]

Dude. If I mistime the waves. Kill all but one in the second wave. Have it kill me. Then kill it only to have the crab things and the big fish centaurs spawn so I can't kill it in 10 seconds, I get screwed.

[fickle drum]

Like, you can just sense the loneliness behind his snide remarks. XD

[hearty fog]

Periodic reminder that while Logan was fantastic as Hades, Homer, and his other characters, Darren carried the game as Zag and he got snubbed at all the awards.

[sturdy magnet]

His banter with Theseus are my favorite

[fickle drum]

I like how utterly delusional Theseus is.

[hearty fog]

Surprised Judy Alice Lee wasn't in the running at the TGA.

[sturdy magnet]

I had to praise Darren voicing such a beloved protagonist and also composing the best music

[hearty fog]

Theseus crying "Noooooo!" when you destroy the Macedonian is my single-favorite lineread in H1.

[shadow river]

It's just tough. Theres nothing about the rooms that tell me if it's going to be a 2 wave or 3 wave room and what kind of monsters will be in that 3rd wave.

[hearty fog]

He's apparently also the best at playing Hades???

[sturdy magnet]

My favorite line was “Oh no, not the flame of righteousness”

[hearty fog]

Like, when the Hades launch was winding down I remember hearing that Darren had the fastest clear time of any SGG employee.

[nova oar]

You can defeat whole rooms in 10 second

[shadow river]

No.

[nova oar]

Or

You can kill all but one

Waves will spawn still

[shadow river]

Maybe you can, but I am obviously not there yet. So I have to be smart about it.

[sturdy magnet]

It’s just so funny how Zagreus goes from being excited to see him to just straight up being annoyed with him.

[hearty fog]

You said you're working on the epilogue but you haven't upgraded your weapons yet?

[hearty fog]

"Asterius. Other guy."

[shadow river]

I have. But to upgrade some of them to 4 or 5, I need more darkness and some things I just need to complete a run for and not worry about any added stress.

[nova oar]

Literally all you have to do it kill all the enemies except for one, the other waves will spawn, then die to that one enemy

[fickle drum]

It doesn't matter. If there's only 1 enemy, there will be no further waves.

[shadow river]

Ive done that though and the other waves dont spawn until its dead,

[fickle drum]

Maybe you killed the last one too fast.

[shadow river]

Hang on. What are you talking about? That makes no sense.

[fickle drum]

New waves will spawn in before the last dude dies.

[charred dome]

Circe is soooo much fun, easily my new favorite weapon

[shadow river]

No they don't,

Not in my experience.

That's why I am getting screwed.

[shadow river]

I am in LOVE with the coat,

[fickle drum]

I am not a coat hater.

I am not an enjoyer either.

[shadow river]

What's you're weapon of choice?

[fickle drum]

Whatever Grave Thirst is on.

[nova oar]

Love coat, hate selene

[charred dome]

which coat?

[nova oar]

Shiva

[fickle drum]

I would love Shiva coat if I was good at using Ω moves.

[sturdy magnet]

How did Supergiant make a game so good. I want replay it again

[shadow river]

I do like the Selene Coat because then I have a built in Hex but I only have 2 Coats unlocked right now,

[nova oar]

I hate selene I wish it was never added

Give me anything else

[charred dome]

ive only tried melonie coat once, didn't really like it

[shadow river]

The coat or her stuff in general?

[fickle drum]

I don't like hating something so much you want it gone from the game.

[nova oar]

Both suck

[fickle drum]

I don't want to deny content to other people just because I don't like it.

[shadow river]

I prefer the Selene coat over Melenoe.

[nova oar]

[charred dome]

I wish we had twin fists in hades 2 🙁

[shadow river]

I FEEL that.

[fickle drum]

We have blades

[shadow river]

The coat is my new twin fists,

[timid vigil]

I unfortunately have to agree with not wanting selene in the game despite actually liking her as a character

[fickle drum]

I mean you don't have to pick her door.

[timid vigil]

Except when I do

Which happens all the time

[charred dome]

I like hexes

[shadow river]

Especially when you get the hammer that gives you 3 attacks with a dash strike,

[graceful dune]

I need her in my life

[charred dome]

o that sounds fun

[nova oar]

Trick knives turns blades from one of the worst weapons to one of the best

[graceful dune]

Morrigan my beloved

[shadow river]

I wish Selene had less mechanics for sure.

[nova oar]

I really dislike hexes because they crutch new players and suck for lategame players

[fickle drum]

What hexes do for other players isn't your concern is it?

[nova oar]

Alr hopping on for some runs, what should I do

[charred dome]

Is there any lore behind the coat? feels a bit too futuristic compared to the other weapons

[nova oar]

God forbid I give my own opinion

[nova oar]

The rail:

[timid vigil]

ares falling blades supay

[fickle drum]

I'm not god and neither do I forbid anything.

[shadow river]

I feel that but I am not complaining.

[charred dome]

buh

[nova oar]

I'm not being literal

[shadow river]

Knives? Check.

[nova oar]

Not a bad idea

[charred dome]

manock you are god

[shadow river]

Axe? Check.

[timid vigil]

It's fun just gotta get the 2 duo boons

[shadow river]

Skull gun thing? Suspicious.

[charred dome]

🤔

[fickle drum]

Please do not say this, this reminds me of some bad memories.

[shadow river]

JET PACK FISTS???? CHECK.

[nova oar]

Yeah i'm doing a gcb to warm up first

[charred dome]

manock. you. are. god.

[carmine oar]

so in 2 weeks hades 2 is now my 8th most played steam game and is very close to 7th

[shadow river]

In 3 days it is now my most played steam game....

[carmine oar]

hades 1 had the same thing with one of the weapons being a literal gun. it's just a fun little thing, of course the gods have access to stuff not even dreamed by mortals yet (i think the rail description in hades 1 mentions that achilles hopes mortals don't get it)

[carmine oar]

i don't think it's getting to 1st though. stardew valley is way up in the lead there

and cookie clicker is definitely staying up there too, it's only 30 hours away from stardew

hades 2 could definitely hit 3rd, only need like 55 more hours in it

[shadow river]

Ah. Most games I have I play on my Switch light.

[charred dome]

I guess Eris also got a gun aswell, although atleast it kinda looks like some greek artifact

[carmine oar]

it's actually the same gun! and nemesis' sword is the same as the one from hades 1

[fickle drum]

It's the same gun

[charred dome]

ooh

[shadow river]

My gaming laptop screwed the pooch early this year and I just got a new one and have had this whole week off so....

[carmine oar]

after the whole chronos thing, they were kinda like laying around so they got them

they both had aspects of those weapons in hades 1 too

[nova oar]

I love getting possessed array immediately after taking glamour gain

[shadow river]

I have been waiting to play H2 since I heard it was happening.

[fickle drum]

You know that thing Eris does where she shoots herself and gets a double damage buff?

That's literally what the Aspect of Eris does in Hades 1.

[charred dome]

cool, i never got that far into hades 1

[shadow river]

Oh really?

It's been a moment since I played Hades 1.

[fickle drum]

Stygius also had an Aspect of Nemesis.

Which Nemesis now uses in Hades 2.

[shadow river]

Wicked

[carmine oar]

chaos should've have their shield in their portrait, would've been cool. mel could mention it and chaos was like "yeah it just like, went to me after chronos took over"

[shadow river]

I also love that we get to use Thanatos' spear in this one too.

[hearty fog]

You mean his axe?

[fickle drum]

Scythe

[shadow river]

Scythe. Yes.

[charred dome]

the hades 1 chaos portrait looked sooo sick

[fickle drum]

I think the implication is that Chaos has been experimenting with his appearance since reconnecting with Nyx.

[nova oar]

H2 chaos art is way better imo

[nova oar]

Their*

[carmine oar]

hades 2 chaos portrait also looks sick, they look so slay

[pseudo badger]

chaos is a guy

[hearty fog]

Chaos easily is H2's best-dressed and I will not hear a word against their appearance in this game.

[nova oar]

Chaos is genderless

[carmine oar]

i'd use a different terminology but dyno would be mad

[hearty fog]

Chaos predates gender.

[shadow river]

Some of the character designs were super cool from one gme to the other but I liked the eldrich aspect of Chaos in Hades 1.

[pseudo badger]

he made gender

[carmine oar]

primordial being who is exclusively referred to with they/them and is referred to as nyx's parent

[shadow river]

Felt more old and androginous.

[hearty fog]

Damn, deliberately incorrect.

[fickle drum]

I have no stake in this discussion, what I said was just an error.

[hearty fog]

Gotta do better than that.

[carmine oar]

not father, not mother, not one of her parents, parent singular

[nova oar]

They made everything and are not gendered or even really human

[carmine oar]

like it's very explicit ingame

[shadow river]

They were referred to as Nyx's father and mother.

[pseudo badger]

he can make himself a guy then

[charred dome]

i think hades 2 chaos looks like a regular person in a suit while hades 1 looks like a literal god. plus forehead eye 👁️

[pseudo badger]

dont care tbh

[carmine oar]

ah i must've missed that bit of dialogue, there's other dialogue where they just say parent

[nova oar]

How hard is it to use the right pronouns

[carmine oar]

are you aware what game you're playing

[hearty fog]

"I must misgender someone."

Jesus Christ.

[charred dome]

no biggie

[pseudo badger]

you cant misgender a primordial god 🤡

and its a fictional character, calm down

[nova oar]

Their gender, is that they don't have one

[pseudo badger]

no need to get offended by everything

i know its a hard concept

[carmine oar]

we're not offended you're just being wrong on purpoe lmao

[charred dome]

someone did say Chaos was genderless so ig you can't missgender them 🤔

[pseudo badger]

im not wrong

[charred dome]

he's onto something

[carmine oar]

chaos is exclusively referred to with they/them pronouns ingame it's not that hard 😭

[nova oar]

Giving them a gender is missgendering them

[shadow river]

You are. Explicitly so.

[charred dome]

🐸

what if chaos is feeling left out without a gender :c

[nova oar]

They're not

[carmine oar]

how is bro being a bigot in a game that takes place in ancient greece 💀

[shadow river]

They are not like the god Loki who can be one or the other or neither.

[pseudo badger]

if they wanted to make him genderless they should've used a less guy looking art for him, like the one on this wiki page https://greek-myth.fandom.com/wiki/Chaos_(mythology)

[shadow river]

this tho

[pseudo badger]

dont use words you dont know the meaning of

[shadow river]

They did. In H1.

[pseudo badger]

even the h1 version looks like a male human, lots of human features

[carmine oar]

broski i'm transgender and a lesbian. i think i know what i'm talking about

[pseudo badger]

dont care, and not relevant lol

[charred dome]

maybe we just move on 😅

[carmine oar]

i'm getting out of this lmao

[nova oar]

Oh same

[carmine oar]

the humble block button

no wait that looks bad out of context with that reply now

[hearty fog]

Yeah, let's all exercise the block button and move on with our lives.

[pseudo badger]

the typical need to announce if you block someone 🤡

[shadow river]

No. Just because something doesn't have boobs doesnt make it 'Dude looking'

[crude dragon]

TBF, the ancient Greeks were quite bigoted

[hearty fog]

Mods are present and probably watching, someone deliberately misgendering people won't last long.

[shadow river]

Were they?

Like genuinely curious.

[charred dome]

I thought h1 one was a guy 👀

[pseudo badger]

and you are right

[crude dragon]

Yes? Extremely misogynistic and could barely tolerate anyone not from their specific city

[shadow river]

Even with all the diologue indicating nothing of the sort?

[fickle drum]

.............. I just don't like that this conversation is happening in the first place.

[timid vigil]

Pretty much all ancient civilizations were, in a way

[shadow river]

wouldnt that be Xenophobic?

[fickle drum]

It's time for me to go to bed anyway, see y'all some other time.

[hearty fog]

Chaos was even less human-looking in H1. I'd say they're very slightly leaning femme-presenting in H2, but that's my personal bias. Their apperance in H1 was unmistakably inhuman and genderless, though.

[crude dragon]

Is xenophobia not a subsection of bigotry?

[nova oar]

<@&456908176877551658>

[shadow river]

I guess that falls under the bigoted umbralla?

[charred dome]

I was talking about their apperance 🤷‍♀️

[shadow river]

Lmao you beat me to it.

[timid vigil]

I agree with this

[shadow river]

Ah. My b.

[timid vigil]

But it's still a very genderless design

[pseudo badger]

there are very easy ways to portray someone as not human, im not even sure why they went with a humanish looking guy for chaos

could've been a cloud with eyes or sth

[crude dragon]

They are Very Gender™

[fickle drum]

Artists can do whatever they want

[nova oar]

Forced selene, my day is ruined

[carmine oar]

and hot

[crude dragon]

Like, perfectly androgynous

[pseudo badger]

sure they can, and then I can interpret it how i want

[carmine oar]

but that also describes literally the entire game

[shadow river]

Lmao true.

[charred dome]

yeah true

[carmine oar]

not if your interpretation is literally the opposite of what the artists say?

[fickle drum]

That's not what you're doing though, you're forcing your interpretation.

[hearty fog]

"Look, Spawn of Hades. Look on how fantastic my drip is."

[carmine oar]

artist: yeah i painted a house
"erm actually no that house is a horse because it's my interpretation"

[pseudo badger]

if the artist leaves room for it- which they did with this design- then its not

[timid vigil]

"Don't you think my drip is fantastic? Respond."

[carmine oar]

yes lord chaos please give me extra money

[fickle drum]

You're forcing it. You're stating your interpretation as fact. As if disagreement is wrong.

[cunning laurel]

the dialogue writers left no interpretation with their gender yet you ignore it

[shadow river]

They did not leave room for it. it's not a piece of work on a wall. You have context dude

[pseudo badger]

just cuz i dont say imo after each comment doesnt mean i state it as a fact

[carmine oar]

they made chaos look as genderless as possible, and then explicitly made sure their dialogue and any dialogue referring to them was genderless, so that there was no other interpretation.

[charred dome]

At the end of the day it's a game character, doubt chaos will take offense

[timid vigil]

You'll take 5 damage every time you attack and in exchange you'll get 100% more resources when gathering

[fickle drum]

Deliberately misunderstanding me doesn't work.

[carmine oar]

LETS GOOOO who needs to attack anyway. toula's got this

need those resources though for kudos

[shadow river]

You stated this as fact. Which started this WHOLE thing.

[carmine oar]

artemis lmao ||"apollo and his... hair."||

[pseudo badger]

then let me reprashe it, i interpret him as a guy

[nova oar]

Aren't they siblings

[nova oar]

Which is objectively incorrect

[hearty fog]

Twins.

[carmine oar]

she was talking about how the other gods all have their own special thing

[carmine oar]

poseidon and water, zeus and lightning, whatever else she said

[charred dome]

me too 🤷‍♀️

[carmine oar]

then your interpretation is deliberately proven wrong by the game and should be re-interpreted 🤷‍♀️

[restive charm]

hey let's move on

this is not really productive

[shadow river]

Sure. Now that the whole conversation has been had and your excuse for not being the one who instigating it is completely false? Yeah. Go ahead. Rephrase.

[nova oar]

Why does possessed array use so much magic ugh

Why did I take glamour gain

Curse you great chaos below

[carmine oar]

so true

[hearty fog]

I think it should actually either use more Magick or drop reduced damage Omega Attacks.

And then it should work for Magick usage again.

[shadow river]

This

[carmine oar]

the world if parray used 10 magick [future gif]

[nova oar]

yeh that works

[carmine oar]

honestly i'm shocked it doesn't do reduced oattack damage

[hearty fog]

Strictly speaking, it's an extremely expensive O Attack. 25 compared to 10.

[nova oar]

It's alr insanely good tho

https://imgur.com/a/c4VoQPJ

[hearty fog]

But Medea had to do Medea things.

[shadow river]

I dont usually have to worry about magic usage because of the one Arcna Card that I can't remember the name of.

[nova oar]

Just got engraved pin with strength

Fml

[nova oar]

Never use the unseen arcana

[hearty fog]

"Thanks, Chaos."

[charred dome]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-cat-kitten-explosion-explode-gif-13413781400084246782

[hearty fog]

Yeah, The Unseen is the single-worst Arcana in the game.

[shadow river]

Why?

[timid vigil]

The humble excellence:

[hearty fog]

It's not that it's completely useless, but its effect is minor, easily negated through regular Magick usage, and the card itself is extremely expensive at 5 Grasp.

I run Excellence every time on JPom.

[nova oar]

Fair point

[hearty fog]

The way passive Magick regens work in this game makes it so that Chaos Will, Glamour Gain, and The Unseen are almost never actually regenerating Magick.

Excellence easily clears The Unseen.

Any Magick usage disables those 3 passive regens and it takes a long time (scaled to in-game time, it's like half a second) for them to activate again.

[carmine oar]

every time i attack i take 5 damage BUT 80% more coins

[carmine oar]

and like i'm using torches anyway

[timid vigil]

Unseen has some specific uses for high fear afaik

[nova oar]

Not only is it the worst kind of regen, but it's 5 grasp

[nova oar]

Only person i've seen really do it is malkin playing 62 eos

Others don't like it even then

[hearty fog]

This is its biggest death knell. If it broke all the MP regen rules it would be an arguable 5 Grasp.

But as it stands I don't think I'd spend a single Grasp on it.

[timid vigil]

I tried eos 62 and ended up switching to mel staff but it felt significantly better with unseen

Also made hexes a bit more appealing if they showed up

[hearty fog]

And it's competing with Origination and Boatman (for Fates activation).

[nova oar]

Literally

Maybe if it was 2 or 3

Make it 2 so it's either huntress or unseen

[hearty fog]

I never find myself using Huntress, always Furies and Persistence.

I don't even really run Night builds anymore.

[nova oar]

Yeah i mean same, but it makes it a tiny bit better

[carmine oar]

have to fight rivals hecate with no attack. fun

[timid vigil]

Same except for like Medea stuff

[craggy totem]

Just don't get hit ;D

[carmine oar]

too late, both got hit by the curse and took like 40 damage

+60 from armor

boon lifted tho i can now use my heph attack

[craggy totem]

Dangarang, I knew I should have been eagle-eyeing this Discord channel more assiduously. Then I might have made it in time to say "Just don't get hit ;D" and magically make you not get hit.

[carmine oar]

hm 1/4 chance to get heroic heph attack from phial..

ok apparently artemis boons can be hit by the phial

good to know

[nova oar]

No antler chronos is so unserious

[carmine oar]

alr chaos what else will you give me

my agender goat

[nova oar]

In other news that's 7 great chaos below trials in a rom

[carmine oar]

for the next 5 encounters my arcana cards have no effect but 84% chance of 100% resources when gathering 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥

i'll have to take 3 encounters of no money for extra magick i guess

wait is that all narcissus and echo's quest is..

that took like no work at all what

||they yapped to each other and i did an incantation||

trust deepened lets go

[craggy totem]

They're chill dudes

(Obviously, considering one is always trailing his hands in cold Oceanus water and the other is rocks)

[carmine oar]

bro narcissus please give me other gifts i still have like 3 from you i haven't taken and i've done 120 nights

wait why on earth did i take 11 fear can i not count to 12

welp no reward from tartarus

[craggy totem]

Some of Narcissus' gifts have prereqs, you're aware, right?

[carmine oar]

oh maybe that's what it is

he's at 4-5 hearts i think

[stray valve]

I can't get Scylla's songs out of my goddamn head

[nova oar]

Chaos has given me an absolutely baller charon run

[shadow river]

I usually watch silly videos when I play but from what I hear when I play that fight, it's baller.

[graceful dune]

Which one is your fav? I love Bewitching Eyes/Rock and a Hard Place and are stuck in my head all day and night.

Actually thats gonna be my background music while im doing work

[stray valve]

It was I Am Gonna Claw but ever since I unlocked Bewitching Eyes I'm just humming it all goddamn day

[nova oar]

8 gcb clears in a row

meat grinder easy shot charon worked suprisingly well

[carmine oar]

why is everyone at these dang crossroads except icarus

why is he so hard to befriend get back over here

he showed up once to yap with eris and then left and i couldn't gift him bath salts

[shadow river]

I have been trying to get him to stay at the crossroads for SO LONG. Also, Why is it so easy to run into Nemesis out and about but so hard to run into Herecles????

I need him. Assuming he is the one who 'does the gods bidding'

[nova oar]

You need to do the rivals fight

[shadow river]

Is that the one in the crystal?

Ill do it I stg

[nova oar]

No, vow of rivals 3

[shadow river]

How do I do that?

[nova oar]

Do you not have rivals unlocked?

[shadow river]

Ohhh. Looks like its in the oath.

Got it.

[nova oar]

Yep

[shadow river]

THANK YOU

[nova oar]

Any time

[hardy depot]

If you want to force him to show up, do 3 underworld runs in a row, or die in the first room in Erebus 3x in a row if you don't care about the nights/deaths

[graceful dune]

Wait you need to do rivals to fulfill the one who bids the gods bidding?

I think I was just naturally doing 32 fear all the time that I didn't notice

[hardy depot]

No, shouldn't need rivals at all

[graceful dune]

Oh nvm

[shadow river]

They were talking to me about Herecles

Sorry.

[graceful dune]

Nah its ok i was just wondering!

[shadow river]

Doesnt icarus usually only show up on olympus runs?

Or does he just show up after 3 nights of not doing Olympus runs?

[hardy depot]

If you've invited him to the crossroads already, he'll miss you or something if you do 3x underworld runs

[graceful dune]

thats nice

[stray lagoon]

I seriously cannot pay attention to the dialog from ||Zeus and Hera on mount Olympus|| when Apollo is belting in the background

[shadow river]

"or something" is diabolical.

🤣

[shadow river]

I feel that so hard.

I just had to go back and look at it later.

[devout cairn]

theater kids do be ruining your conversations at hangouts

that or the moron who brings an acoustic guitar

i guess he's both

[shadow river]

But also... he's kinda good. Him and his... hair.

[stray lagoon]

I was definately admiring

[carmine oar]

nuh uh (former theatre kid, now music major)

it's tenors specifically like apollo

[shadow river]

FOR REAL

[carmine oar]

i say as a tenor 2 lmao

[shadow river]

(Also former theater kid)

[devout cairn]

ok I admit that was a lil jab to bait any theater kids in chat, I have more beef with guitar dudes than anyone else

[shadow river]

I was an alto though

[carmine oar]

in theatre i'm a baritone though because tenor parts in theatre are insane

[nova oar]

I am trompet

[carmine oar]

my primary is clarinet though, i just did theatre and choir in high school for fun

[nova oar]

(And i play guitar)

[carmine oar]

and i still do choir. don't got time for theatre

[shadow river]

In theater? Impressive 😂

[carmine oar]

different department lol. music department does some drama stuff but i'd prefer to be in the pit for those

[shadow river]

I was in Varsity choir

[carmine oar]

alas i was not chosen for this most recent show

[nova oar]

Yeah i'm always in the pit

horrible place

[carmine oar]

real

[shadow river]

It's called the pit. I can imagine. I never go there.

[carmine oar]

i love music school, i mentioned how the pit conductor housed a cuban sandwich 5 minutes before the musical started in an essay for a class and i got an A on it

[shadow river]

Diabolical

[carmine oar]

i sing bass in the choir though because it's more fun and i don't feel like singing ridiculously high

[nova oar]

Too many men

[carmine oar]

sometimes the notes are a struggle but i'd rather do those than try and fail to sing like a high G depending on the day or something. i'm doing it as an extra class for fun anyways

[stray valve]

Eris my beloved

[shadow river]

I can never decide whether or not I love or hate her. I understand her like.... 50% and the other 50% that drives her actions drives me up a wall sometimes. I hope I understand more as I get farther into a relationship with her. Otherwise, the whole relationship aspect feels a little forced and not a part of what they present of her so far.

[stray valve]

I truly think it's a matter of taste; she has a real bratty "I think I will cause problems on purpose" thing that I have a shocking amount of patience for in a cute girl, but my girlfriend would find absolutely intolerable

Am I gonna trust someone I have that dynamic with? Not unless we start getting mutually vulnerable.

But can we decide to have some combative fun together? Sure, as long as we don't start veering into legitimate mistreatment

[shadow river]

I think my whole issue is that if she is the embodiment of strife, why would she draw the line at being herself in such a close relationship? And if being her true authentic self is causing strife, isn't that abusive in a relationship? I don't want it to be, and it obviously isn't how she is with us all the time, but the way they present her early on, makes it seem like a forgone conclusion until you start to get closer to her and she is sometimes sweet.

But being jokingly combative isn't truly strife and she seems to get so mad (at Mel) when we don't understand even though she doesn't really try to explain which I can see now might be a defense mechanism to people trying to change her in the past. I suppose I can understand where they are trying to go with it after ||the bath scene with you|| though.

In the begining though, it was a bit of a hard pill to swallow that she was even on the roster of people we could romance though.

I feel like I am trying to logic my way through a very emotional character though which is half my problem.

[stray valve]

I think what it really boils down to is, no matter what she's gonna continue being someone who's kinda rude, throws trash on the ground and makes you fight her to get to the thing you're trying to do. She also thinks you're hot and has a cute nickname for you.

It's kinda up to you to decide whether that's someone you wanna engage with at all, let alone intimately. Without getting too personal, I've had someone in my life where our interactions were both flirtatious and combative, occasionally getting into "mean" territory — but I ultimately had more power in the situation, so I felt comfortable choosing to keep spending that time together.

I see a lot of that person in Eris, so I perhaps carry over that sense that I do have control. I don't have to keep picking up Eris's stupid trash, but if that's the extent to which she wants to lash out over her feelings of alienation, I can accept that and sell wrappers for a few Kudos. For others, I can easily see her entire attitude being a complete turn-off

[nova oar]

I leave for 2 seconds and y'all start writing essays

[stray valve]

It's a game with interesting characters!

[nova oar]

Eh i'm just in it for the gameplay

[stray valve]

Good news, it has interesting gameplay too \😺

[nova oar]

Just got over 600 runs completed so yeah I agree

[shadow river]

Interesting. I see a person that I did not have much control with in her which I think is why I am so weary. I guess I should be grateful that the story only expands so far and is unrealistic in other ways so if I'm feeling playful and combative, I can engage and if not? I wont. I feel like it would fall apart if we were able to dig deeper into the relationship than we are able to within the game, so it's a good thing it doesn't go that far.

[shadow river]

I only have 76 completed runs so far so I'm looking forward to that!

[broken creek]

So the 601 is gonna be 65f??

[nova oar]

I'M NOT DOING 65

62 is plenty

[buoyant matrix]

then 62 another 47 times

[stray valve]

Yeah, that's also closer to my girlfriend's experience, which is part of why I think they'd bounce off this character really hard.

Although speaking for myself, I feel like it's fine to have people in your life that you can...have fun with...without necessarily making good life partners. And that's more the vibe I'm getting off Eris

[stray valve]

Ugh, I can't imagine. I did 32 Heat in Hades I and that was more than enough for me to feel satisfied

[broken creek]

Coward 😔

Circe makes everything besides 67 free asf

[broken creek]

Tbf h1 32h is a lot harder than h2 32f

The pact is so much meaner and requires more rng by higher fears than vows

[crisp comet]

Thank you

I have not been doing this

Total or per aspect

[shadow river]

That's fair. Plays a lot into the poly feeling they have going in these games. Fills in some aspects of your heart and life without requiring them to fill in spots you or they are not comfortable filling. And that's okay.

[stray valve]

Interesting. On that note, am I just hitting the learning curve, or are the boosted bosses in H2 a lot scarier than the ones from H1?

[shadow river]

Super interesting conversation. Definitely feeling a lot warmer about her and a lot less like I am doing it just to be a completionist.

[shadow river]

Oh don't tell me this. I am going to have to do the rivals soon 😭

[broken creek]

Ummm depends. In h1 id say em2 was kinda a joke, em3/4 were the only actual real bosses atp, but in h2 depending on what your other vows are will really decide how bad a rivals fight is

Like rivals scylla is just the hardest fight in the game if youre at 55+, or hecate will murder your timer if you also have grit, hoards, return, and forfeit on

Cerb is whatever, and every surface boss is a joke besides prometheus rivals

[shadow river]

So try rivals alone first and then get to adding more fear if I'm feeling up for it?

[broken creek]

And gramps is gramps hes hard but very learnable atp id say hes easier than scylla by a large margine

[stray valve]

This is also my feeling with H1, whereas I've found the H2 first-region Rivals to be quite intimidating, often taking 1-2 Death's Defiance off of me if I haven't seriously optimized for damage on the way there

[broken creek]

Thats what i did! Especially if you plan on pushing higher fear amounts getting used frenzy2 rivals fights alone is super valuable

[shadow river]

awesome. Thanks for the advice!

[nova oar]

I mean i'm at the point where anything below 50f is too easy

[broken creek]

Yeah the bosses in h2 are fs a fair step up from h1, and they will just kill you if you dont learn them properly

[broken creek]

Truuuuue

62f is kinda easy for me atp with circe

[nova oar]

Yeah exactly

[cunning laurel]

do you play anything else lol

[broken creek]

Like i can whip out circe 62 clears like nothing

[nova oar]

i've just played alot more

[nova oar]

Me?

[broken creek]

I did a 62 with eos and hel 🥀

[cunning laurel]

everytime plum is in victory boasting its a circe

[nova oar]

oh other aspects not other games

[broken creek]

Ive done more i promise

My 65s was with mel staff and I did an eos and hel 62 they're just buried under a bunch of warmup and practice circe 62s

[stray valve]

In H1, I found Forced Overtime 1 to be trivial once I got used to it, while FO2 made a lot of things legitimately impossible to anticipate/avoid.

So far in H2, I've similarly found Vow of Frenzy 1 to not be so bad, and I expect I won't try VoF2 for the same reasons

[cunning laurel]

hey at least try it

[stray valve]

Having recently finished the main story, I'm still encountering new challenges that are kicking my ass, so maybe I'll see in a while

||Zagreus|| just kicked my ass pretty soundly, and hoo boy was that a rough time trying to figure out that moveset for the first time at +20% speed

[broken creek]

Tbf after I got calling card I stopped taking that fight as a whole

[shadow river]

Forced Overtime was the one I was confident in at any level. I was doing 13-18 min runs when I tried with all the other stuff on at that point anyways though so it just pushed me to be on the lower end of my time more often.

When I first fought ||Zagreus|| I got my ass HANDED to me after having not lost a run in a WHILE. Was super jarring.

[carmine oar]

i only take it if i'm super confident in my build, which i'm usually not when it shows up

the reward from it isn't really that necessary

[broken creek]

He's just a waste of time at high fear

The reward isnt worthwhile either, you only really take it if youre trolling or bored

[carmine oar]

or if you want the funny interactions

[shadow river]

Gonna try to complete some rivals runs tomorrow. Complete more prophesies. I really wanna get ||the Fates|| before I have to go back to work on monday. (and I have to actually play with the skull weapon at least once)

[dry whale]

Ok i NEED rivals typhon tips

I just fought him for the first time..albiet with my least favourite aspect..and got DEMOLISHED

[buoyant matrix]

for the tongue slam i like to run away from the first one, then dash through the second and third

[dry whale]

My main trouble is chronos supporting him

It was so much on my damn screen goin on

[buoyant matrix]

idk lately I've been antlering him so i barely have to deal with their moves 😂

[cunning laurel]

one attempt isnt stuff being hard to dodge, you dont know what to expect yet

[dry whale]

Perhaps so..

I first tried normal typhon so i went into this very confident

Maybe too confident..

[buoyant matrix]

hubris 🫵

[tribal slate]

Hey, does anyone know about a bug with the hidden skins? I've literally spent 8-9 hours trying to get Moros to give me the hidden skin, and it never triggers the dialogue. I don't know what to do anymore, I can't find any information about a similar case, I don't understand if I'm missing something. I've watched a lot of videos and read forums, and it looks like I more than meet the requirements. I only have 9 trophies left for 100%, and it's frustrating to be stuck like this, to the point where Moros just doesn't give me any dialogues anymore, no one in the camp. What should I do? Please help.

[nova oar]

Have you maxxed a non mel aspect

[buoyant matrix]

you maxed mel torch didn't you

you have to max eos or moros

[tribal slate]

Are you talking about the standard aspect? Like Moros or Eos?

[buoyant matrix]

yes

[nova oar]

Have you fully upgraded moros or eos

[buoyant matrix]

you need to unlock both of them and fully upgrade one of them

[tribal slate]

I will try, and thank you very much, I didn’t see that info anywhere, since at the moment I only have two hidden skins, just leveling up the standard ones.

thankssss very much guuyss

really

Love you guys, I was doing runs for about 8 hours, pointlessly because I’m Latino, and there isn’t much information about the game on this side of the globe; I just managed to get it with your information

[nova oar]

No problem lmao

[nova oar]

Alot of information is outdated and from previous versions of the game

[raw patrol]

Omw back home and i had to cross a massive river

Jammed tf to scylla while watching the water

What a vibe when the down! down! part played on coral crown

[jolly hound]

I listen to it in the shower sometimes, feels pretty based

[raw patrol]

Onfg

[calm flicker]

Well, I've brought the Knuckle Bones to Scylla, Polyphemus, & Circe. Now what?

[glossy shadow]

Now win a game against Ratau

[smoky rover]

where can I find the ghost that allows me to review my runs?

[harsh quarry]

you mean for the odysseus quest, right?

[smoky rover]

I mean the one that shows weapon stats

[nova oar]

In the bar

Well, above the bar

Requires an incantation

[harsh quarry]

I'm kinda stuck on that one too. ||the prophecy says to get a pearl from scylla at 10f, but I did it twice and it hasn't worked. generally you have to go several times with the knuckle bones to all three of them||

[calm flicker]

I... have to complete a run with the Knuckle Bones...?

[harsh quarry]

it's actually possible! and with fear, too!!

[hardy depot]

The pearl is for a different prophecy, should complete the next time you talk to them

[calm flicker]

How the hell is a player supposed to do this naturally?

[harsh quarry]

I sure hope so.|| I got the pearl on 10f twice, the first time Mel didn't want to curse it, the second time, nothing, and Circe didn't react to it||

[limpid oar]

The fated list and the npcs explicitly tell you what to do

[calm flicker]

It's been a couple runs since I've completed the Nobody but Nobody quest.

[limpid oar]

|| Make it higher fear to truly woo Scylla ||

[hardy depot]

I've seen a lot of people get stuck on that, I got a bit stuck on that too. It isn't completely clear what they want you to do there as I don't think the objective updates

[calm flicker]

Huh. I completed Circe's arc without any complications. I guess it helped it was similar to Medea's arc.

[limpid oar]

|| I heard that if you get the pearl above 50f and Bewitching Eyes is playing, you unlock the Scylla romance ||

[smoky rover]

I can sell the onion from vow of forfeit, and the next major reward won't be turned, right?

[cunning laurel]

onion is specifically boons not all majors but yes

[smoky rover]

yeah of course

[spare wind]

Random but the best part which makes hades 2 so good is all the efforts all the journey which atleast for me took 60 hours payed of so well in the ending it was so good
This game immerses you so much into the characters and story that when it comes to the ending it feels like your own lifelong task is complete loll

[harsh quarry]

true, that's what good games are like! and that's what Dead Cells wasn't!! (you had asked me about DC, right?)

[spare wind]

Yeah I did
Like roguelite itself is enjoyable enough but paired with such a good ending makes it peak

[harsh quarry]

oh definitely!

[spare wind]

Also offtopic but i bought exp33

[harsh quarry]

YAY!! was my next thought
ENJOY!!

now that one hurt when it ended, I got so attached

[spare wind]

Thanks!
Oh install

On*

[broken creek]

Top10 games ever made icl

Maybe even top5

[limpid oar]

I tried DC so many times but I always lose interest around bc3

And it's the kind of game where if I used an easy mode to get through it, I'd be like "but wait what was the point if I took all the challenge out"

[broken creek]

I tried it, won a run 2nd try, then just didnt enjoy the combat enough to push farther

[real scarab]

I played DC 1.3k hours

[limpid oar]

Also considering how quickly i dropped hollow knight, 2d platformers may just not be my thing

[spare wind]

1.3k💀

[spare wind]

Tbh this is influenced by some games which are just good like hades isometric presprective you end up playing it too much and that's what happened to me I just couldn't play 2d then

[real scarab]

game has crazy weapon, build and self imposed challenge variety

[split shuttle]

im gonna catch up to that playtime by end of 2026

on everyone's soul

[magic sierra]

Anyone know if getting a hidden aspect means I need to specifically upgrade a non-Mel aspect to max?

[rich frost]

You need to spend 5 nightmare on the weapon, and only the non-mel aspects eat nightmares

[nova oar]

Nope, needs to be a max non mel aspect

[harsh quarry]

absolutely

[rich frost]

The power drop from the old Splash Dash to the new Wave Sprint is kinda insane. Biggest power diff between equivalent boons in the games.

[loud mesa]

i decided to open a second save slot

i reached chronos on my third run 😭

only thing that killed me was the eris debuff

the scythe throws did 80 damage

[merry echo]

Nicee

Best turn based game imo

[golden chasm]

I don't think Athena is able to spawn on the first level of Olympus (where the timer is still paused), there's enemies there so the banner for [divine intervention] still can appear but after appearing she just ... Didn't show up? No spears or anything
I didn't kill the enemies before she spawned I tried to let her do it but nothing happened
Interesting quirk! I like to think she wanted to help, saw how pathetic the enemies were and wasn't bothered

[golden chasm]

To clarify I wasnt using gorgon amulet, I should test if she works with it

[broken creek]

Wasn't run1 smh

[nova oar]

10 gcb trials in a row

[inner arrow]

In hades 1 I believe there was a 4 god pool max limit does that same rule apply in hades 2?

[glacial light]

Not 100 weak

[nova oar]

I'm getting there

[nova oar]

god pool is 4, but you can have more different gods

just will only offer the first 4

[inner arrow]

Ok thanks

[loud mesa]

this build really isnt that good but it drains bosses 😭 im using twin sister blades and lvl 6 epic hestia on attack. just that is able to kill bosses in under a minute

[mossy jetty]

I NEED more MelixIcarus Romanceeeee 😩😩😩😩💕💔

[harsh quarry]

I just gave him the ectoplasmic stuff and am waiting to consummate

and I'm still on that damn pearl quest

[buoyant matrix]

just go beat scylla brah

[harsh quarry]

already did, twice on 10f, talked to circe twice, nothing
I'm off to talk to Circe again!

I'm sure Odysseus' quest must have mucked up the dialogue. off i go

[buoyant matrix]

you have to give it to her from the "gift" tab i think?

[harsh quarry]

DUDE you just saved me a ton of runs!!!! pizza's on me!!!!!

[mossy jetty]

I am in NEED of a Second Ectoplasmic Consummation 😩 Tent scene pleaseee

[buoyant matrix]

my ocd instantly realized i have the option to gift her again so i knew something was off

[harsh quarry]

btw I just got ||morrigan||
kinda nice! I don't get ||how to get the triad though, I'll figure it out!||

[timid vigil]

One omega (usually omega attack is used), one attack, one special

There are a lot of cool combos you can do it's such a fun aspect

[harsh quarry]

oh hey cool!! cheers!

[buoyant matrix]

the three dots on the enemy indicate which move they've already been struck with
top dot is omega, left is attack, right is special

[rich frost]

Note that if you stand in front of an enemy, you can just immediately hold the attack-button and get both the attack and omega in one button press.

That is, if said opponent is not imminently attacking you

[loud mesa]

can we all agree cerberus is the easiest boss?

[timid vigil]

yeah

[rich frost]

Without Rivals, Polyphemus might be easier. With rivals on, definitely.

[split shuttle]

nah man hecate exists

[nimble rivet]

I was thinking "well duh he becomes a normal enemy in later levels" until I realised we aren't talking about ULTRAKILL

[rich frost]

Cerby is easier than Hecate

[split shuttle]

sheep ball is ez to dodge

plus she has ridiculously slow windup making her attacks predictable

[loud mesa]

never played ultrakill 😭

[split shuttle]

if were talking about rivals tho yeah hecate is not the easiest boss

cerby is

[rich frost]

Yo I just got Evil Eye for Tartarus in the Great Chaos Below trial, and I did in fact get last vanquished by Chronos, let's go!

[celest raven]

In the name of Hades, I summon whomever my message must reach. I have fought for over 180 nights, successfully keeping time flowing freely for over 180 moons. I have defeated the father of all monsters and the titan of time, Cronos, nearly a hundred times. I have performed every spell that the night and the stars have allowed me to learn, yet still, in my selfishness, I ask one last favor of whomever it may concern. The vessels of gold I find along my path should be automatically collected as I continue my journey, just as Mother Gaia's resources are collected by enchantment. I hope someone on Olympus receives my request. I return to the shadows now.

[limpid oar]

rivals cerb is chill 95% of the time but sometimes it just throws the nastiest pattern known to man at me 😭

[fiery viper]

Cronuts

[noble sapphire]

i got a hephaestus-zeus feud in oceanus and now i just got another one in tartarus

what are you guys doing 😭 ive never seen you beef twice in one run

ares and apollo just chilling while the other two are alternatingly trying to kill me

[shadow river]

I hate feud rooms. I usually avoid them at all costs.

[gusty maple]

2 boons in one room, how can you not take it

[noble sapphire]

just beat chronos this run and he went "NNRNRRRAUUUUUUGGGGGHHH" when he died

10/10

[limpid oar]

that's such a deep line from him

writing like this is why SGG is the best video game studio of all time 🔥

[harsh quarry]

wait till you hear Charon's poetry. a masterpiece!

[noble sapphire]

my favorite Makers of Noises

[limpid oar]

stopp whenever Charon speaks I'm in tears 🥺 🥺

[harsh quarry]

• hhhhhhhhrrrrrrrrrrrsssssshhhhnggggg
• oh, if only!

[shadow river]

Because it lowers my health an inconvenient amount.

[gusty maple]

dodge, ez

[shadow river]

You think I havent tried that?

[timid vigil]

Just don't make Hera angry

[harsh quarry]

I feel the same way, if I'm on a timer or no health to spare, I avoid them too

[rich frost]

I've speedrun H1 for so long that I always instinctively avoid them lol

[shadow river]

I really hate using death defiance on anything other than a boss but that might be a hold over from H1

[rich frost]

Lowkey most feud rooms shouldn't give you too much trouble once you know what each god's attack looks like. But then again, it always costs time.

[shadow river]

This. I haven't completed everything but if I do a run in H1, usually it is for a PB (since I dont need materials anymore) so I just avoid them.

[timid vigil]

in h2 sometimes I go for them even when trying to get a good time but that's because I play with an aspect that needs 3 Hera boons in erebus

[shadow river]

Thats my issue. A feud room with Aphrodite and someone else? I'll take it. Apollo? Hephestus? Sure. Zeus and Posiden???? Nah.

Demeter???? I dont think so.

[limpid oar]

Heph? his circles are massive if I am taking a Heph dispute I am picking him up first any time

[shadow river]

That's a reason though. If it's nothing more than "2 boons for the price of one", nah

[storm glen]

funny enough trials are optimal on high fear in this game

[rich frost]

Oh? Why is that?

[shadow river]

They are telegraphed though. Him and apollo.

[rich frost]

Is it because of the onion vow and subsequent lack of boons?

[storm glen]

that and also boons are just stronger in this game

[shadow river]

"The onion vow". I love this game.

[rich frost]

Heph is the only god that is 100% deterministic. You can completely decide where he's gonna slam by positioning right.

[storm glen]

hades 1 boons like 60% of them are mid-terrible tbh

[limpid oar]

theres also the fact that the amount of enemies in a erebus trial room doesnt increase throughout the region, so a trial in late erebus is going to have noticeably fewer enemies than a normal erebus encounter

[limpid oar]

even if the moves are telegraphed and controllable with positioning, the amount of area denial can get problematic in an already challenging room, i would much rather take poseidon

[timid vigil]

Hera is like that too and I still hate both

[rich frost]

Duh, Pos is easy. But I take Heph over like Apollo, Hestia, Hera, Zeus....

[rich frost]

Hera isn't deterministic. The direction of her attacks is random.

[storm glen]

shes partially deterministic bc she aims at you

[timid vigil]

Pretty sure they are centered on your position

[storm glen]

tbh i think the room layout and enemies of the trial matter more than the god

[timid vigil]

Honestly yeah

[rich frost]

Yes they are centered on your position, but that doesn't help when I'm dodging left and the beam goes from right to left.

[jolly hound]

I will take heph first just so I don’t have to hear the silverware drawer being thrown at me. And Apollo is second choice in trials cause his attack is basically a dubstep light show and plz no

[fiery viper]

Do I need to max out an aspect for the hidden one to show for me while talking to their giver?

[jolly hound]

Specifically needs to be a non-Mel aspect of each weapon

[sturdy magnet]

I find interesting how Chaos called Melinoë “Spawn of Hades” instead of “Daughter of Hades” but Zagreus they called him “Son of Hades”

[spark iris]

i'm trying to decide whether i should ||return to a real possibility|| before or after doing the epilogue. what's the order people recommend?

[rich frost]

I'm pretty sure Zag was also called "Spawn" at least once.

Maybe not...

Okay I just checked, I was probably just tripping

[rich frost]

You don't really need to do that at all. It's mostly there for early access players so they can experience the new ending too

[spark iris]

oh i beat the game before 1.0 so i'm one of those. no idea what the new ending is like!

[versed robin]

Hi new member here are there any updates on when Hades 2 might be coming to PlayStation? I just finished Hades 1 and I’m very excited!

[rich frost]

Ah well in that case you should probably be able to do that, complete the ending, and keep going. The epilogue ending probably makes more sense after the regular ending

[rich frost]

Accoring to Gaming Insider, there is currently no planned release for the Playstation 5.

[spark iris]

ah ok. so do the incantation first. thx for the advice!

[rich frost]

Yeah, shouldn't take you long to get back to where you are anyway, assuming you got some experience already ^^

[sturdy magnet]

Probably another indicator how much Chaos prefer Zag over Mel

[hearty fog]

My take is that "Spawn of Hades" has the same starting letter and number of syllables as "Son of Hades" and "Daughter of Hades" doesn't roll off the tongue as well.

[sturdy magnet]

It make sense

Prometheus in the first encounter called Melinoë “Lost daughter of Hades”

I also noticed Toula sounds are the same sounds effect of Flame Wheel i the first game

[rich frost]

lol

[sturdy magnet]

I don’t think I’m tripping when I said this

The sound when Toula attacks are similar to the Flame Wheels

https://youtu.be/MIjlpC8nB-k?si=pHZHuZ_5unxholG4

https://youtu.be/CcTM3N3iy5Q?si=HsCmtFTCH2CQ-hSX

[tribal wharf]

Curious if there's any up-to-date/comprehensive sheet on all resources required for anything, including the cosmetics/renewal stuff
It's not a big deal if I just sell all my wheat for kudos at this post-main story stage of things right?

[limpid frigate]

woah i just beat nem 8-88

[harsh quarry]

on the sell screen, there's a bit that says "you need this resource for other uses" or something like that!

[tribal wharf]

Ah so it does, neat

[carmine oar]

but the question is how much do you still need

[royal cradle]

Is 3 the highest rank for the oath of rivals? I was expecting 1 last upgrade after beating both prometheus and cerberus with it, but I didn't get any this time.

[carmine oar]

4 is the highest, did you talk to selene? i think she's the one who gives the incantation to you

[royal cradle]

Oh that's right I need to talk to Selene first... 👍

[dry whale]

Whats the easiest way to get godsent hexes

Is it the same idea as duo boons

[harsh quarry]

they're random when you choose between the three hexes from Selene, there's a lightning icon on the left of the ones with godsends

omg FINALLY|| I got Circe's prophecy||

[torn glade]

And godsent is based on your boons. Its not set when you pick the hex. For instance, if i get night bloom.. and i dont have any hera boons, all i have to do is get a hera boon, and the godsent nodes appear on the path. YOu dont need the boon BEFORE you pick the hex

[fresh wind]

It will never not be funny when ||post-game Chronos says "may time flow freely forward" in his bored voice after you win a run||

[carmine oar]

oof took too much damage for my liking in that hecate fight. chaos stun moment

but i'm gonna get 114% special damage 🔥

[carmine oar]

reap what you sow 🗣️🔥🔥

i love demeter's voicelines so much. best part about her call in hades, best part about her legendary in hades 2

[molten obsidian]

2026 roadmap when ?

[carmine oar]

wait huh. chronos just insta killed me but he never did the red thingy

in 2nd half of p2

[torn glade]

wasnt insta, then

[carmine oar]

no but it was the insta

it did like 600 damage

[torn glade]

the clock thing?

[carmine oar]

idk, it looked like the first half insta kill when i got hit but he never did the thing leading up to it

i was just hitting him because he was doing other attacks and then i died

[cunning laurel]

what did he do first in p2? i've never seen anything but

[carmine oar]

the yellow things in the flower shape idk how to describe it, what he normally does

why is it that every time icarus decides to show up in the crossroads he's yapping with other people LET ME GIFT YOU STUFF

[torn glade]

did you happen to step on the direct center and maybe get hit by all of the golden clock hands?

[carmine oar]

no i was off to the side a bit

i wish i was recording, would be a lot easier. i'm probably not gonna get it to happen again

[carmine oar]

strength rarified from circe ooh

[white coyote]

That’s a banger pull

[dull tendon]

Damn Sun Worshipper OBLITERATED Typhon

[carmine oar]

alright icarus hammer. parray please i have so much magick and i have born gain

twisting crash is not parray

lets go got parray from anvil

this build is so stupid

typhon fight in under a minute i think

no hit lol, could've used antler

noo i'm running out of dialogue for more characters... hecate now

[royal cradle]

Ok I'm confused... I met Selene, I'm pretty sure she gave me a new incantation, but back at the crossroads, it's not there... what am I missing?

[carmine oar]

do you have the hidden aspect for the coat unlocked? it's possible she might've given you the activation phrase for that instead? if not i'm not certain

[royal cradle]

I don't, but I don't have anything at the Silver Pool. Plus, I'm pretty sure she talked about the oath of rivals when we met... I guess I'll try again.

Nope... met her again. Didn't give me a new incantation

[dull tendon]

Should I try a Judgment run for the funsies

[carmine oar]

yes

oh hey i hit 100 hours of playtime

in 16 days..

[timid vigil]

Did you beat rivals 3 on both routes?

[royal cradle]

yes

several times

[mellow stag]

I feel like if part of the draw of ||Aspect of Anubis|| was the shades, it should’ve given us the ability to give them the traits of your attack boon.

[slim pike]

her godsent lines are similarly.... chilling

[hearty fog]

I wish there were a small chance for her voice lines to get slowed down again.

[tropic ravine]

I love ragebaiting her during family disputes by picking anyone but her lol

Sorry grandmother

[hearty fog]

That's wild, I never pick against Demeter.

[tropic ravine]

Though I always have to pick || Hera ||

She is very annoying if you don’t

[slim pike]

hera used to be the free one

her original attack was only two fissures at a time, it was so tame

[slim pike]

pick anyone but her and then use her godsent

[tropic ravine]

Lol

[slim pike]

"How like your mother you are!"

[blissful bane]

TIL softness, the debuff that makes enemies take 30% more damage if they're in Total Eclipse's target area, counts as an olympian curse for origination

[slim pike]

Yeah, I reported that bug during EA and it never got fixed

[blissful bane]

Lol

[slim pike]

Probably the funniest lines are when you use Zeus godesent against Unrivalled Typhon

Zeus isn't supposed to be able to help you in that battle, so there's a very funny interaction

[blissful bane]

But
Hangover doesn't

[slim pike]

Yeah, it's a bit weird

[sudden eagle]

Wait... with the second route did I just discover this game has double content compared to Hades 1?

[hardy depot]

You need to beat the last boss of both routes 3+ times and at least once each after getting the True Ending (credits). I don't think anyone gives it to you, it just shows up in the cauldron when you meet the requirements

[royal cradle]

Oh you need the true ending first! That's why, I'm not there yet. So Selene tells me I can strengthen the vow one more time but then nothing happens because of that extra requirement that the game doesn't tell you about.

[hardy depot]

Selene is the primary person to comment on your Vow of Rivals fights, but isn't involved in unlocking any of them

[slim pike]

Pretty much double in most ways, ye

[royal cradle]

Doesn't matter much. It still looks weird af... and confusing.

[crude dragon]

There is yet more content beyond that

[sudden eagle]

Honestly I wasn't ready. I thought ||Prometheus|| was the last boss of this route due to his difficulty, I was so naive

[nova oar]

You're not the first

I doubt you will be the last

[sudden eagle]

The map induced me in error

[nova oar]

Yeah I suppose that doesn't help either

[carmine oar]

LETS GO CHAOS ||CALLED MEL AMUSING.||

and that's one more character at max affinity

only 13 characters to go

got distracted by the charon well and forgot nemesis can take chambers. she stole my hammer grr

[elfin heron]

damm unfortunate

[spare wind]

Sad to see hades 2 was only nominated in a few categories or maybe just the steam deck category alone i think?

But still congrats to supergiant games for the best steam deck game award

[native thicket]

yeah i kinda wish she didnt appear in rooms with wells and trials/troves

[celest tinsel]

Seeing some conflicted info online about how to unlock Anubis. Do I need to be using the staff and see Circe? Can I use anything and just have an aspect of the staff maxed out?

[crisp comet]

Is there anyway to get silver other than RGN mine it

[timid vigil]

Have all staff aspects unlocked (mel, circe, momus) and have one non-mel aspect ranked lvl5, then talk to circe

[celest tinsel]

Okay bet. Just getting unlucky then

[sick fractal]

Any tips for prometheus? I literally had 6 death defiances and still failed

[nova oar]

Are you getting hit by the memory game or him

[sick fractal]

Both but the memory game is really annoying

and the boons I'm getting aren't very good

by any chance does hesphestus appear on the surface?

[nova oar]

All the gods appear on the surface

[restive vault]

yo guys, is sworn, ravenswatch or shape of dreams. what yall is the best?

[nova oar]

Huh?

[restive vault]

oh I mean like what yall is the best in yalls opinion

[crude dragon]

Yeah, none of the main gods have any restrictions on the spawns

[nova oar]

Wrong server

[restive vault]

cause me and 3 others wanna play a hades type game but coop you know

[crude dragon]

Sworn exists

[nova oar]

Go ask in their respective servers

[restive vault]

Im just asking bruh, but alright

[sick fractal]

Okay it's probably just bad luck. I swear the only boons i've been getting it seems are from posideon, hera, apollo and hermes and sometimes hestia

most of those are good but not good enough for prometheus

plus hephestus has been the most overpowererd god I've encountered yet

[nova oar]

He's not the best for alot of setups

Unless you get below 5 second cooldown on the attack or special

[nova oar]

All good gods btw

[broken creek]

90% of the time you take heph for trusty shield exclusively

That last 10% is the rare chance you lucked into jpom epic attack that starts at 4 seconds

[snow palm]

is up grounds locked forever or just till I slay granps?

[nova oar]

Just till you get the ending

[crude dragon]

Just until you roll credits

[timid vigil]

Use like 1-2-3 (top-middle-bottom) to memorize it's not that difficult

[icy halo]

Or just say out loud "top, middle", etc, as it happens - that's how I manage it

To be clear though, different things are difficult for different folks

[pallid cradle]

Shape of Dreams.

Ravenswatch is one of the weakest Diablo-lites I've ever played.

I don't even feel right calling it a roguelite

[pallid cradle]

Imagine they did this.

"Surface is gone guys, shouldn't have progressed the story"

[nova oar]

Hey I like ravenswatch

[limpid oar]

this totally happened on my save file that's why there's not a single surface run in the last couple hundred nights

[pallid cradle]

Oh I'm sure

[split shuttle]

poor surface

[limpid oar]

at least Poly gets to chill with his sheep 😄

[broken creek]

Nothing would change 🗣🔥🔥🔥

[calm flicker]

Wow. Against Unrivaled Typhon, I just got pushed by the eggs & into the death zone.

[buoyant matrix]

yeah if you think the eggs are gonna drop near the safe zone stand a little away and dash into it

[calm flicker]

I remember not being able to move. I don't remember if it was because I got stunned by the eggs or I was so surprised I moved my fingers away from the movement keys.

[abstract aurora]

I wanna hear yall's opinion on this. Does using Black Night Banishment invalidate a (Insert Fear Level) run?

[vital hollow]

Playing Chaos above trial right now, going into the final region, guess what I got as my final keepsake

[abstract aurora]

Discordant Bell

[vital hollow]

White Antler

It's so over

[abstract aurora]

Thats a good one

[vital hollow]

All of Typhon's attacks one-shot me

[abstract aurora]

Oh

[vital hollow]

The only saving grace is that I have 3 DD's, so basically I can't get hit more than 3 times

I also had over 300 Hp before getting Antler, and now it's gone

[broken creek]

Eh he won't even be able to move enough to hurt you unless you play super scared

[nova oar]

Eh

[nova oar]

IT HAPPENS TO EVERYONE BUT ME I WANT IT TO HAPPEN TO ME

[buoyant matrix]

i have yet to do great chaos above

but getting antler in tart would be great for sure

[broken creek]

I havent even unlocked supay yet so I cant do the challenges period

[charred dome]

got any tips for fighting that damn squid Charybdis, the attack where he shoots out like 60 projectiles that track you feels hard not to take dmg at

[karmic flame]

I still find it amusing how long it took me in both games to realize aphrodite didnt have clothes on lmao

[broken creek]

Like the surface miniboss or rivals scylla

Since the surface miniboss what i do for that is go from one end of the arena to the other

If you just go slightly quickly the projectiles wont get to you and like 80% will blow up before its a problem

[charred dome]

ooh smart

[limpid oar]

daily reminder to yall that rivals scylla is peak

[charred dome]

i've only fought rival chronos once and no other rival boss, they seem rly scary

[broken creek]

Then once you get to the other end of the arena just time a dash through what's left

[charred dome]

thanks

[broken creek]

As long as you arent at 45+ fear they're all pretty fun and simple

[charred dome]

Saw someone do rivals scylla on max fear and i watched it in 0.65x and it looked hard 😭

[broken creek]

Imo the difficulty order is like scylla > gramps > prom > typhon > hecate > everything else

[broken creek]

Yeah scylla is the hardest fight in the game at top fears

Like genuinley I struggle less with rivals gramps

[charred dome]

I just don't really know what some of gramps attacks does, like when he spawns the clocks that heal him idk if i should focus them or just out dps them

[limpid oar]

scylla is very random, sometimes you get bewitching eyes for the morale boost and you smash through the fight, sometimes you low-roll

[broken creek]

Thats kinda dependant on the build and how much bs you can deal with on the screen

[nimble rivet]

You're gonna stop praising Rivals Scylla once you get stuck between a rock and a hard place

[broken creek]

If you are antlering with an already strong build you outdamage the healing ez, but on weaker builds youd have to target them first

[charred dome]

also when a big hour hand appears on the arena and it start ticking down like a clock

[broken creek]

Also lowkey sometimes the little time stop circles they leave can be an issue if you arent super careful, so try to be strong enough to ignore them

[charred dome]

ah okey

[limpid oar]

just get deep dissent 🔥

[broken creek]

I ignore that 90% of the time just dont run into it and youre good

[charred dome]

and I noticed I can usually just stand on top of him when he spawns a bunch of yellow balls

[nimble rivet]

I find it incredibly funny how many healing clocks Rivals Chronos summons. "Save me Hourglasses, this is base level Melinoë we're up against"

[broken creek]

I love being dissent crutched

[broken creek]

Yeah! Aggression is the best strategy on him until p3

[charred dome]

best Hades buffs iyo?

i like the 20% dmg one

[nimble rivet]

100% Gigaros Dash

[broken creek]

Gigaros and dissent are top2, life tax is nice everything else is dookie

[nimble rivet]

Unseen Ire

[limpid oar]

is this unseen ire hate i am seeing?

[buoyant matrix]

gigaros dash and unseen ire

[broken creek]

I shouldn't be getting hit for it to prock anyway

Plus if im antlering getting hit kills me as is

[nimble rivet]

If it procs then it procs for long enough to save your backside

[limpid oar]

its h2, revenge boons sometimes just proc like for free

[charred dome]

I saw a guy called boat3d spawn with gigaros dash how does that work

[broken creek]

Jpom, post credits keepsake

[buoyant matrix]

post credits keepsake

[charred dome]

ooh

[broken creek]

Yeahhh its funky but like id much rather have dissent ngl so I dont have to worry about rolling it in tart

[limpid oar]

can nemesis still proc unseen ire when you run into her during the nem encounter?

[broken creek]

Or life tax to keep me healthy assuming scars3

[buoyant matrix]

yes, she can proc everything

[limpid oar]

i kinda dont like starting with dissent to be honest, having a hades boon throughout the other 3 regions is massive

[broken creek]

Gigaros, dissent, and life tax are an unarguable top3 for high fear imo, unseen is a close 4th, then I hate howling as a circe player and old grudge ruins scripting

[charred dome]

wow I wanna get jpom so much now, sounds awesome

[broken creek]

True, ig im too circe pilled where idgaf abt what I get unless its howling or old grudge

67 tho it's just gigaros fishing 🥀

[charred dome]

i just started using circe, easily my favorite weapon so far

[limpid oar]

i dont think 67 is a real fear people should be playing

[broken creek]

If i can even get kinda close anyone can 😌

[limpid oar]

so far ive been trying to do 65 and havent seen oceanus yet

[broken creek]

65s my biggest roadblock is getting judgment screwed on an ass weapon like hel

I got to gramps so many times 🥀

[limpid oar]

im really considering clicking artificer + sorceress instead of strength for that 65

(last 2 is persistence)

[charred dome]

how do people use medea on high fear?