h2-discussion

[broken creek]

Normal rivals isnt that generous though

[buoyant matrix]

well you can now go beat the rivals version like that

[rustic basin]

Lowkey no

[spare wind]

Probably not xD that one must've been a fluke

[broken creek]

Ik its me hoping for origination and high rolling gigaros but the weapon is kinda fun 🥀

[spare wind]

Bro Artemis and melinoe singing together
Is just too good

[rustic basin]

It’s kinda fun but I’ve only really liked it with an OSpesh focus

So for me, doing 65 and going for that is… well, there’s a lot working against it when Void gets involved LOL

Of course if you like the general feel of the Aspect (enough), it might be less grueling

[buoyant matrix]

start sorceress persistence eternity trust 🤑

[rustic basin]

So true

[spare wind]

||It says "if you have not yet fulfilled the fated list projpechy Melinoe,Help Us , bear in mind it can only be fulfilled after the end credits" So does it want me to complete it now or does it want to reverse time back and complete it there? Sorry I am a. Bit slow|| question

[buoyant matrix]

you can complete it now

[spare wind]

Man it's kinda confusing now there is no prophecy saying melinoe help us , there's one which says Melinoe rember us

Anyhow I'll do the melinoe remember us prophecy for now

[sand pawn]

Hey i have a quick question and I tried looking it up online, but cant find anything to answer it. When it comes to weapon aspects in the silver pool spot, any that ive upgraded and unlocked are all active during a run? I dont see a button prompt to select one, so I just want to be sure im not missing anything

[carmine oar]

the help us prophecy was the one that showed up earlier, it changed to remember us after you finished the main story

[sand pawn]

So for the witchs staff as example, I have aspects of circe momus and Melinoë at rank 5 each so all would be active?

[spare wind]

Thanks alot that clears confusion

[crude dragon]

You don't pick the aspect you want to run from the pool, you go up to the weapon itself to choose do that

[nova oar]

Yes

[sand pawn]

Ahh okay, I only ever had walked up and just swapped between weapons before and never stuck around after. Idk how i never noticed that in like 60 hours but thanks lmao

I was kinda curious if I was ever gonna be able to get to choose the different looks of the weapons again, cause some looked really cool and I was just like "well guess thats gone now"

[broken creek]

The more I play it the more it feels like Ospec is for rooms and reg spec is for bosses

And icl I like zeus on special so much more than hera, since hitch does nothing for some bosses

My 62 had no timer issues either minus the normal hecate stuff, 65 probably wont be too bad if I just high roll a bit but maybe I take a break from circe 67 and just do hel for funsies and general practice

[carmine oar]

i so desperately need official sheet music for time belongs to us. i'm trying to transcribe it right now and i cannot figure out what is going on in this 😭

[elder knot]

am i crazy or is the hidden aspect for the duo wand overrated

[broken creek]

Supay went from a "wins with your eyes closed" kinda aspect in EA to now having no natural hitstun lmao

[buoyant matrix]

supay? it's great but not particularly strong

[broken creek]

Its been nerfed pretty hard and cuz of that its a very particular weapon but its still strong given the right setup

Just once you start going higher fear it stops working without a very specific start

[buoyant matrix]

just hit a natty breaker rush with jpom 😌

[broken creek]

With gigaros start too while youre a it 😌

[elder knot]

mm cause i saw haelian put it at S and immediately maxed it out rofl

[buoyant matrix]

while it may be easy to play, you need spectacular build knowledge to set it up for success

[spare wind]

So it looks like || I do not need to go back in time to continue the story further? The prophecy from Melinoe remember us changed to melinoe seek us which looks like will have to be done in current time?||

Or maybe I'd have to go back to find the emissary? Idk

[broken creek]

Yeah so you beat the game in 1.1, so you had the improved ending, the go back in time incant is for 1.0 ending people so they could experience the changes

[spare wind]

Ohhhhh

That makes so much more sense
So i do not need to go back if I don't want to? So it's not story related further?

I thought going back was which was gonna continue the story

[broken creek]

Nope! No new story or necessity to go back at all unless you just wanna replay story

It does reset relationships for epilogue important characters iirc though

[spare wind]

Alright feww
I really didn't have the mood to go back and do it all again rn

[spare wind]

I see

So basically there's no necessity to go back right , just if you wanna play the ending again

[broken creek]

Yup

[spare wind]

That is so satisfying to know thanks alot

[carmine oar]

from what i've been seeing there's some funny dialogue and stuff that you might've missed (i know i have, a lot of what i've been seeing on youtube i didn't get before finishing the story)

so if you want to see some of that then yeah there's a use for it, but it's not needed

[spare wind]

Maybe some other day but I just got to the ending yesterday I just want to know what happens further lol

[broken creek]

You know who each of the characters you gotta get closer with for epilogue yeah??

[spare wind]

I spent like Yesterday all day doing surface runs to get v lens xD

[broken creek]

It can be pretty quick if you know who to aim for

[spare wind]

I dont💀

[broken creek]

Want me to tell or no??

[carmine oar]

ok mostly 6/8 with a lot of 5/8 thrown in for fun and whimsy and i do NOT feel like figuring out where. darren why

[spare wind]

Will the game tell me eventually?

[carmine oar]

it'll give you a riddle for each character in a bit

[broken creek]

The minor prophecy gives hints

[spare wind]

I have a bond with nemesis , soon with hecate aswell

[broken creek]

The "melinoe seek us" one

[carmine oar]

"seek the character who [something]" or whatever it says

[spare wind]

Oh so that is what it is??

I thought I gotta find whoever "He" and "She's" are😂

Damn I would've never guessed that am glad

Why is "Seek to know who created the world" in melinoe seek us completed already?

[broken creek]

Cuz you already are max bond with chaos then

[carmine oar]

chaos has given you the fates specific dialogue already

[carmine oar]

i thought it was specific dialogue you needed?

[spare wind]

I am not i only gave her 1 nectar ever

[broken creek]

Could've sworn you need more

Maybe i just got to credits a bit fast lol

[carmine oar]

i think i've only given chaos 2 and i've gotten the thing from them

[timid vigil]

I think it's just dialogue

I recommend bonding as much as you can with Hecate so you can gift her after the epilogue and get that scene

[spare wind]

So Trained one is Hecate
Rebels maybe chronos? Idk
Labors hmm Zeus?

Nah I'd never guess all of these lol

[carmine oar]

which figure in greek mythology was famous for their several labours

[timid vigil]

Labors is Heracles

[spare wind]

Oh that guy gotta bond with him

💀

Mightiest of men right?

[timid vigil]

You don't need max bond I know this for a fact cause Heracles was my last max bond way after I finished the epilogue

[spare wind]

I have quite the half bond with hecate but it's still not ticked of so maybe I need max?

[carmine oar]

yeah i've mostly been ignoring everyone who isn't like, dora, doom, eris, and nemesis, so i gotta lock in for this

[timid vigil]

I've played too much before 1.0 launched I had maxed out everyone as much as you could in EA 😭

[spare wind]

Emissary ?
Created the world is done
Cast us out? Chronos?
Trained Hecate
Rebels ?
Labors Heracles
We shall attempt to reach you again
Can you tell me all the ones I don't know

[timid vigil]

Worth it cause the keepsake collection looks really cool with all max bonds

[elder knot]

lol i was about to say i've only had two companions for the longest time, finally got third

[timid vigil]

Emissary of the fates = moros

Rebels I think is prom

[spare wind]

Prom?

[carmine oar]

i didn't start playing until last week.. and now i have 50 hours. but i've been finding nectar harder to get compared to hades 1, whatever i can find in missions + 1 extra from the broker

[spare wind]

Promethesues?

[carmine oar]

yeah

[spare wind]

How will I give him nectar???

[timid vigil]

It's just dialogue

He needs to mention the fates

[spare wind]

Oh so next time i see him

[timid vigil]

Just keep doing surface runs yeah

[spare wind]

Alright so whoever is in crossroads and in the list I'll need max bond rest dialogues

Or maybe dialogues for all? Idk I'll check it out thankss

[timid vigil]

I think it's just dialogue but I'm not sure

[carmine oar]

i do not have max bond with moros yet and i got the one from him

[timid vigil]

there might be other dialogues with higher priority so it might take a while

[spare wind]

So while I continue to do more runs
||Good chronos will just give me one more timeline each time to destroy the final boss?||

[carmine oar]

yep, that's how they keep the roguelike aspect, would be weird if you finished the story and just "sorry, no more final boss"

[spare wind]

Yeah tbh I was very interested to know how they will keep this alive with the story not breaking out
Thankfully makes sense

[carmine oar]

i'm starting to figure it out listening to it but i am scared to start writing things down.. i think this is a task for tomorrow me

[neon turtle]

Can I meet narcissus doing the stone pillar challenges?

[spare wind]

Hades and hades 2 infact are my first story game's lol
I have only played simulation games in past
So am kinda slow on the story and all but after completing the ending of hades 2 ngl i think I am gonna get all the achievements

[broken creek]

Nope, no npcs and no gathering nodes in chaos trials

[spare wind]

I just fought ||Zagreous??? Man this game is toooo gold||
Don't click diabolical spoiler if you haven't played quite a bit after ending

||He was using all the tricks , death defiance , darkness and the spear of hades what a gold gold fight||

[spare wind]

Aspect of Artemis
+50% omega attack speed is this just +50% faster attack or +50% faster Magick-Imbued attack charging speed

[buoyant matrix]

your oattack charges faster

[noble sapphire]

Is Strength Wantler a good idea? Maybe not. Is it a funny idea? Absolutely.

[merry whale]

strength wantler is the ultimate flex

[nova oar]

Strength antler is always a good idea

[merry whale]

just don't die

[meager tundra]

hello! I was wondering if anyone had any gifs of the boons glowing before Mel/Zag accepts them.
Like this but closer and better quality.
https://realtimevfx.com/uploads/default/original/3X/2/0/20a017886905a3889bfd594ad0af22403d92d965.gif

[buoyant matrix]

yes

just dodge™

[noble sapphire]

oh, btw, i asked about this but then immediately buried it in my own posts

but how do i get heracles' last level of bond, i assume i have to fight alongside him on a tile with a sufficient amount of fear, but the game doesn't specify

[nova oar]

You need to do the prom rivals fight

[noble sapphire]

oh........

i mean, i did, but i assume not at high enough fear

[nova oar]

Needs to be 40+

[noble sapphire]

40!?

I have a way to go then

[nova oar]

I'm kidding lmao I think it's only 10

Or is it 12

[noble sapphire]

how it feels to purposefully spread misinformation /lh

wait. does greek theology have a trickster god

I feel like it's probably 12, I think that's what it was for the circe pearl quest

[nova oar]

I always lie to new players about the 2nd chronos health bar

[nova oar]

12 sounds righy

[noble sapphire]

just evaporated the boar in like 5 seconds i love you wantler strength moros

[nova oar]

Antler in ephrya is crazy

[noble sapphire]

keepsake and bond grinding r/n

[nova oar]

Peak

[noble sapphire]

also while losing the rerolls is a bit sucky, fully upgraded ||zag calling card|| is amaaazing

[nova oar]

Sucks that it's just kinda mid in terms of power

But super fun

[noble sapphire]

some boons seem to scale much better with rarity than others

heroic demeter growth -> lol, lmao

[nova oar]

Real

[noble sapphire]

unrelated, but if i have one more tile where icarus shows up and makes the combat 3x as long whereupon i get smashed by the anchor dudes in a tiny narrow arena

i am giving him to the eagle

it seems to happen exclusively in runs where i have rougher survival/higher fear/no dd

[broken creek]

Oh yeah so hoards works in a very funny way

So basically every room has a threat value that goes up as you progress through the region, and every enemy has a value that gets added per enemy until it reaches that threshold for the room

And hoards multiplies that number by the hoards%, so that 40% extra enemies feels so much worse than youd initially think, and rooms like heraclese, Artemis, and icarus amp that threat value like crazy

[noble sapphire]

if the game is harder, icarus will make it even harder
Incredible

[broken creek]

He keeps like 99% of the thessaly population in his pocket

[noble sapphire]

spawns 1000 more dudes
offers melinoe the ability to blow herself up with her own casts
"i hope i made a good impression"

[broken creek]

There's a reason I ignore him in the crossroads every chance I get

He's only good for the paused timer and occasional armor

[nova oar]

😭

[fast vortex]

ughh just got to typhon again for the first time in like 10+ hours of attempts

miss timed my dash in phase 4 near the right corner, and got hit twice with the beam

[nova oar]

😭

[fast vortex]

insta 280 damage and my runs dead

the difficulty spike is crazyy

[broken creek]

His tongue beam has a blindspot by his head

[noble sapphire]

his tongue beam is the easiest to dodge by far once you learn it

[fast vortex]

i know i was clearing the eggs

[noble sapphire]

yeah my condolences

[fast vortex]

am i just ass cuz like im getting one run to typhon every like

it takes hours of attempts

[noble sapphire]

part of a roguelike/roguelite is maximizing your growth and minimizing your losses as you go

as you figure out the idiosyncracies of the different gods/curses/boons, and enemies/bosses, you learn to do so

there's a lot that this game doesn't tell you, and you're not bad at video games just because you don't pick up on it

[fast vortex]

i mean yeah thats why i enjoy hades but the difficulty spike with pain 3 is brutal 😭

idk how im gonna do with grit 3 next

[noble sapphire]

oh if you're doin' the vow of night i have no idea then

[fast vortex]

oh dawg im at like 500 runs

[merry whale]

dw the game is very hard

[noble sapphire]

LMAO okay

[fast vortex]

i can play ephyra with my eyes closed

im at 55 fear rn

[noble sapphire]

i didn't realize you meant 'am i ass at high fear'

[merry whale]

r u climbing to like 62 fear

or settling to 55

[broken creek]

Pain3 on 55 is crazy

[fast vortex]

i mean the dreams 67

[broken creek]

I didnt touch pain until 62

[merry whale]

fair, tbh i'd recommend getting used to grit 3 asap, can take down pain or scars if necessary but grit on surface is very imperative

[fast vortex]

but realistically 62

[broken creek]

My jump was 55 -> 62 so scars3 and pain3

[merry whale]

like grit is relevant on underworld too but because of how big hp numbers already are on surface, it kinda scales more crazily

[fast vortex]

ugh probably

I got tired of resetting even more in ephyra so I turned of pain

[merry whale]

it'll help improve ur boon choices too so ur not trying to figure out what's good and what's bad while also trying not to die

[fast vortex]

grit and wards makes ephyra more reset heavy and I got tired

[noble sapphire]

the highest i'm willing to turn fear is to maybe get the last statue

[fast vortex]

i guess i'll switch

[merry whale]

i'd rec clearing more underworlds, it'll help transfer into faster ephyra clears

[broken creek]

Do you know proper ephyra routing??

[fast vortex]

wym

[broken creek]

Since like the rooms are set what they are the rng is just what you can go into

[fast vortex]

like the rooms?

[broken creek]

So like certain rooms you just avoid

[merry whale]

ngl proper ephyra routing is a lie i just throw myself to the rooms with the reward i like

[broken creek]

It isnt a lie when you get to leave poly with 2 minutes on the clock

[merry whale]

altho there are a couple rooms that have more frequent 3-waver chances

once u have like hera or some other ez room clear boon then it's safer to take those kinds of rooms

[fast vortex]

back sorry

[fast vortex]

uhh i havent like

[merry whale]

i don't put too much thought into ephyra routing anyway but it is a good idea to get used to knowing which rooms are more likely to throw a 3-wave at u

[broken creek]

Lemme grab the speedcord image

[fast vortex]

sat down and trully thought about which rooms to take, but im running charon

[merry whale]

o isn't charon way more apollo dependent

[broken creek]

Yuh charon is a rough high fear weapon

[fast vortex]

so my priority in runs is resetting for a apollo/posioden start with at least like hera/demeter/areas

[merry whale]

i haven't played charon but i hear it's more of a play-with-keepsake kinda aspect

[fast vortex]

sure

I've never struggled with time really but thats cuz I reset really heavily for an origination proc and lucid gain before thesally

[fast vortex]

?

[merry whale]

yea especially since ur only at like 55 fear or so i'd recommend just playing with rerolls so ur getting the builds u need more comfortably/reliably

[fast vortex]

nahh im too used to jpom

and its better for 62 fear fwir so might as well stick with it

[merry whale]

i mean fair, i just find resetting a lot to be more of a pain than just rerolling

[rich frost]

Does ||Proclaiming at the barkeep|| do anything to impact my runs? Or is it only for Crossroad-fluff?

[cold pumice]

just reminded what the music in dios room reminded me of

died 2015(?) born 2025 welcome back transistor coasting

2014 close enough

[nova oar]

Cosmetic only

[formal kindle]

Have any of you heard of the game hades 2? Its a good game

[nova oar]

😒

[formal kindle]

:(

[noble sapphire]

here and there

[arctic plume]

is toula not that good if not ranked up? i feel like one death defiance for 20hp isnt that good

[nova oar]

Even maxxed i don't really like her

[broken creek]

Gale is always more effective health

Toula you only use for her damage but even then raki exists

Supay takes toula iirc

[noble sapphire]

aspect of supay without a gain boon or unseen is pain

[fast vortex]

omg grit and wards is so brutal

polyphemus feels so much harder than with pain 3

how do you do this

okay real question how hard is high fear surface supposed to be, or just high fear in general

like how many people are running past 50

[nova oar]

Uhhh

Mad gamer skillz

I've only done 55f surface and 62f uw once tho

[broken creek]

Ive done 62 and 65 surface with circe and mel staff respectively, its a pain even with good fear weapons

No matter how smooth ephyra is, thessaly and Olympus can end up with some nasty rooms

[noble sapphire]

me when i'm forced into a room the shape of a candy bar filled with the anchor guys who create double aoes

[broken creek]

Axe as a whole is very weak when it comes to high fear, wards becomes an actual issue, charon is fishing for a specific setup which can be even rougher

More enemies means less safety to charge omegas, etc etc

[noble sapphire]

charon needs to be able to use casts effectively and then omega with relative impunity to get the whole effect

[broken creek]

And high fear is pretty against that, especially on surface where mobility is a must

[noble sapphire]

mhm

[broken creek]

Its not impossible, just difficult

[noble sapphire]

if you have to run into the enemy (closer than your omega attack/special need) to do your cast, it's a liablity

so it benefits from the ranged cast boons like zeus, hestia, etc

[broken creek]

Surface will always just be mean though, my mel staff 65 ended with 29 seconds left and that was even with me rolling origination out of ephyra and taking fig

[noble sapphire]

unrelated but i love arachne's weird little 'ha ha ha' quirk

[fast vortex]

I guess yeah, I mean i've noticed all these issues but idk how much is just skill issues on my side

im probably being too hard on myself cuz the people who are playing high fear in the hades discord are like the most dedicated to the franchise

its just frustrating spending hours reseting in ephyra and thessaly and dunno if I should be better with the attempts im putting in

[limpid oar]

Just play the better route instead (UW)

[rich frost]

I just made it past ||PromyCles|| for the 2nd time. My bounty target is ||Typhon||. Do I go Antlers and Ball, or do I go Lion Fang?

I currently have 100 max HP

[buoyant matrix]

are you confident in not getting hit before typhon

when antlering summit, the real threat is the standard encounters

typhon is free

[rich frost]

Relatively. I have a lot of burst damage.

AoE at that

[buoyant matrix]

yeah then, i still recommend you grab some armor asap

[rich frost]

The one I'm scared of is the rhino-looking guy

Hephaestus is in my god pool, so there's the chance for that

Unfortunately don't have either of the armor-per-room boons yet though

Alright I'm going antler. Peak is essentially fearless now (I only have Greed 1, Time 3, and Rival 3).

Wish me luck

Whelp, didn't get it

The tail got me

[nimble rivet]

GG

[rich frost]

I still need to git gud to consistently even get to peak, all three of the rival bosses are still rough for me.

Eris somewhat less so, but I keep wanting to maximize damage dealt, and take a lot in turn.

[noble sapphire]

while i realize that 0 fear is babby mode, it's funny how much ranged weapons and ranged cast boons make a joke of ||zagreus||

[neon barn]

Its all fun and games with zag until frenzy2 is activate

[glacial light]

Frenzy 2 zag just sends me back to crossroads

[noble sapphire]

frenzy 2 zag just
ultrakill music begins

btw, can someone explain
if i start with fates' whim and take a keepsake, does the keepsake effect stay if i swap off that keepsake? for instance, i noticed i could sell an item when i swapped away from chrolex

but does the same happen with, say, upgraded boon levels on ||mompom|| or rarefying on ||calling card||

[fast vortex]

yeah

[rich frost]

For ||JPom|| specifically, the boons stay leveled but you lose the benefits going forward.

[fast vortex]

it stays as long as ur still at the fates whim

[rich frost]

that

[fast vortex]

heph your so dead when i get to olympus

how can he possibly make so many automatons and throw like 3 waves of the spinning shooting ones like every 3 rooms

(i dont think you can open that image but whatever)

[rich frost]

I saw the image

And I feel the pain

[fast vortex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/937701660636090379/1454806076787785848/imgonnamurderyoujustyouwait.png?ex=69526d3d&is=69511bbd&hm=88e7d7672dc53c5b4727dbd2388179a3591e09a9768ead7e23a080bff3c7881a&

[hearty osprey]

Oh god, when you pause the game during the Chronos fight, he comments on it

[fallow current]

guys how do i get that conclave keepsake? its the last one i need to completely max out my keepsakes

[broken creek]

uhhh concave stone you mean?? thats from echo

[nova oar]

Echo

[fallow current]

thanks!

[broken creek]

average high fear olympus

[nova oar]

You're not missing out tho, horrible keepsake

[fallow current]

what does it do?

[broken creek]

truuuue

[broken creek]

a chance to auto pick a 2nd boon from a god when you choose one

you have no control of when/if it activates or which one it chooses

[fallow current]

that lowkey sounds fun with hermes dodge thingy boon

[broken creek]

so its either a nothing pick thats just a waste of a keepsake or itll force pick like a swap and brick your build

[broken creek]

yeah but like theres a solid chance it just doesnt trigger

[fallow current]

uh just get lucky ngl

[nova oar]

[fallow current]

skill issue (i have the worst luck imaginable)

[broken creek]

"get lucky" and instead of me just getting a blitz attack i also get zeus dash(literally awful)

i also dont even know how it interacts with denial

[fallow current]

denial? whats that? you mean that vow that makes the game harder? why would i do that (i CANNOT do 20 fear no matter how much i waste my time)

[neon barn]

it cancels out the boons you dont pick up

so if you see special attack mana boons of a god and pick mana you cant take the other 2 in a run

[fresh wind]

It autopicks a 2nd and eliminates whatever is left over

[nimble rivet]

but just like ultrakill, if it bleeds, it can be killed

[fresh wind]

Also ive experimented with the idea that denial can be actively good lol

It can get you into your build faster/eliminate boons you wont want anyway

Only problem is when you run out of boons for a god and their only reward is cash

[arctic plume]

after beating top and bottom is it worth to keep going

[rich frost]

After beating top and bottom you have just started the main storyline.

[nimble rivet]

or worse, sacrificial boons

[broken creek]

man this 65f hel thing is gonna be annoying

gigaros start into not having a single attack or special until 2/3 way through erebus and left hecate with 16 seconds

hit lovers, artificer, furies, and sorceress though so maybe its baller

oh and boatman

then i die at a good sirens cuz my controller dc'ed so it ate my dash input 😔

[snow palm]

Zag is a far better character then Mel

[formal kindle]

Anyone here a charon fan? I aint speaking about aspect of charon, im refering to the character himself

Charon is super cool

[rich frost]

Zag is a more charismatic, outgoing, charming character. I don't know about "better".

[broken creek]

its hard to talk about serious characters icl

[formal kindle]

What is icl?

[broken creek]

i cant lie

[formal kindle]

Ah

[broken creek]

since its a very fine line between serious and boring, and i think melinoe walks that line very nicely since she still keeps some quippy nature and she has a very gullible and lighthearted personality shine through the layers of seriousness for what shes doing

[rich frost]

Mel is reserved, focussed, no-nonsense, and a little socially awkward. I feel like, given the story of their respective games, Mel is an exceptionally written character for the kind of life she grew up with.

And Zag for his

[formal kindle]

I think that every single character in hades 1 and 2 is written amazingly

[broken creek]

yeah and more reserved/serious characters tend to get conflated with "boring" when those arent nearly the same thing

[formal kindle]

There are some characters i like more than others, though

I think posidion, ares and skelemius are some of my favorite characters from hades 1 and 2

[rich frost]

I mean it's like in real life, where people who stay on task and don't allow distractions can come off as buzzkills if you don't share their dedication to the task.

[snow palm]

Idk I feel like zag is more just a bit more complex especially with how Mel just dismisses how mortals had been better off under chronos rule

[rich frost]

I don't think she dismisses it at all. There's several dialogues in the story where she wrestles with that thought. But she eventually casts them aside because allowing these doubts to fester would distract her from her task, which she trained her entire life for.

||And she even finds a compromise solution, in part due to recognizing the good that Chronos is capable of.||

[broken creek]

zag also had a much more personable and small scale story, also for melinoe in particular she was raised to idolize her family definitely to a fault and certain npc lines flesh that out a bit, imo the story doesnt go into detail enough into that but its still present

like of course we're gonna see a lot more individual nuance and exploration of zagreus when his story isnt literally the world being taken over

which you could argue is a fault to the story, melinoe doesnt have the same room to be that zagreus did due to scale alone

but i think for what its worth the story is well written, i wouldnt say its phenomenal by any means i do prefer what hades1 did over 2 but melinoe in of herself is a fine main character

[rich frost]

Plus if you want more character out of Melinoe, I recommend scaling your relationships with Hecate and Icarus. They reveal some of what Mel was like growing up / before setting off on her task.

[ancient nebula]

Idk. I find Mel to be compelling as well. She is such a... Naive and yet feels her convictions very strongly type character

They're different stories and ofc they will be compared. Small scale narrative worked better for the rogue like setting but I like Mel a lot. I find her to evolve just as much as Zag just in a different way

I also found the narrative changes post 1.0 to be more compelling. Her remembering everything made me like it a lot more. It made sense that she would and that would challenge some of her world view

[rich frost]

The large scale story is kind of a prerequisite to make the climb to Olympus a level of its own, since it would be hard to justify such a perilous overworld otherwise, so in that sense it's good they went with a large scale story to give us this part of the gameplay.

[ancient nebula]

I think that in the end it works. Is it a neat little bowtied kinda ending? Maybe not but I'm not sure it has to be.

I love the surface and it being part of it all. I was gutted that you couldn't go to the surface in the first game

I think the other itch the second game scratches is that we finally see the WHOLE main Olympian pantheon appear. I understand why all the gods didn't appear in the first game but that didn't mean I wasn't upset I couldn't interact with Apollo or Hera. I low key didn't get why the hammer system wasn't initially attributed to Hephaestus either but that's just me

[rich frost]

Fully agree on that last part, Hephaestus is the blacksmith of the gods, he always should've been the one to tinker with the Infernal arms.

[ancient nebula]

Just think it fit narratively better than Daedalus who is an architect first and foremost but alas. We ended up with Heph anyway so I won't moan too much

[rich frost]

I'm trying to figure out which one's were removed from the god pool in turn, but it's just the ones that are now event-NPCs, right? As in, Athena, Dionysus, Artemis?

[ancient nebula]

Yeah

Hades 1 has 8 boon giving gods. 2 has 9

[rich frost]

Yeah I did realize that much.

(+Hermes in either case, but I know he doesn't really count the same way)

[pseudo badger]

optional boss in region 1 wasn't smart to do... lost 3dds and died to it

[rich frost]

(+Selene now, but neither does she)

[ancient nebula]

Hermes is a halfway house

[ancient nebula]

Oh boy ye. First region is harsh

I only.go there when I'm ok with the weapon aspect

Aka catch me with torches or staff and I'm in. Axe? Coat? Almost never in first biome

[ancient nebula]

You know what was the final wish I had that I knew wouldn't come true but hoped for anyway? Helios as a hex giver. I get why not. But I wanted that so badly

[rich frost]

We'll get a prequel with Persephone escaping out of Olympus into Hades some day, and then we'll get Helios as a hex giver :3

Or, not Hex in that case, but y'know

[ancient nebula]

Omg that sounds so fun!

Don't think we are in for anything in this IP anytime soon but hey

[rich frost]

It would also be an entirely different vibe from the first two games.

[pseudo badger]

i want a norse myth themed hades

called Odin

[rich frost]

Now that will just be an entirely different game lol

[ancient nebula]

That's too God of War route but that'd be cool to see something going into different mythologies

I think the formula is very solid and there would be an audience for basically using the formula for different 'skins' of the same general game.

For example I could see an Egyptian version that has Horus as the protagonist on his quest to put Osiris back together after Set cuts him up. And you get gods like Nephtys,
Isis, Toth, Ptah, Anubis helping on the way

[buoyant matrix]

this was asked in an interview, they said they didn't want every single power up to be from a god and have dialogue pop ups

or something along those lines

[broken creek]

whoever decided that erebus should have a worse economy than 1930s america i hope both sides of the pillow are warm

the amount of times ive gotten to the like 2/3 point of erebus with literally 1 boon and its dogass is insane

[limpid oar]

That sounds so fun

Imagine playing mel axe and Poseidon attack is the one boon you got

[ancient nebula]

Artificer ftw!

I kinda stopped playing with rolls now and that liberated so many grasp points

[broken creek]

65f 🥀

[broken creek]

ive had like 3 runs have ok times into hecate but then i realized i had a whole hera special only ._.

like great for rooms sure but my god is it useless on bosses that arent scylla or prom

[limpid oar]

Peak

[pseudo badger]

first tried all rival fights so far with no DD loss, but it's still a bit messy, I need a few runs to learn the patterns properly for 32f runs

[fallow current]

i was so close to defeating chronos with ONE BOON

SO CLOSE

ive been avoiding gods all god damn run and sold

[stark jasper]

I have been running fangs for so many runs now and I am still missing one of the elite upgrades for the prophecy! Is this just rng or are some of the upgrades only spawning on certain places?

[ancient nebula]

Some are only on specific enemies

[broken creek]

uhhh some are path specific iirc, and by some i mean like the twilight curse one is uw only iirc

[ancient nebula]

So you need to run both up and down

[broken creek]

unless im crazy

[stark jasper]

I have been running both 🙁 just unlucky I guess

[broken creek]

yeah fangs will be like that

[limpid oar]

Put hordes on so that more enemies spawn

[ancient nebula]

Oh. That sucks. Soz.

[pseudo badger]

im also missing like 1-2 @stark jasper

[dull tendon]

What if Rivals affected Zagreus and he had his own boons (Hunting Blades + Mirage Shot)

[ancient nebula]

Some fangs upgrades also happen only once per chamber I think.

[ancient nebula]

I always find it funny that Zag in the underworld can only appear on the 1st and 2nd biome when you're usually relatively weak. But if he appears on Olympus and you get bonked by gigaros the fight against Prometheus is so much more annoying

[fresh wind]

Question: does the curse from gigaros sweep activate origination? What about artemis' Marked/dionysus' hangover?

[ancient nebula]

I've lost a few Shiva runs because I got arrogant and went to Zag but the. Prometheus VoR ended that run

[timid vigil]

Gigaros dash doesn't

[ancient nebula]

I'm almost certain that Hades doesn't.

[fresh wind]

Thats what I thought but I couldn't tell

[ancient nebula]

Marked and Hangover ARE curses but they're a bit wonky

[broken creek]

no to gigaros but yes to the other 2

since theyre olympian curses and for semantic purposes hades isnt an olympian :3 for whatever reason

at least iirc

[ancient nebula]

Cuz he ain't living in Olympus DUH

[broken creek]

ur right my bad

[ancient nebula]

He is just an outcast boi

[timid vigil]

Also shine from selene coat doesn't count as well I am almost sure

[fresh wind]

Like it was pretty clear when I was running the black coat/hex thing that the curse didnt proc origination

Yeah it doesnt

[timid vigil]

Cause she isn't Olympian as well, that's why you can use her keepsake and keep fates whim

[fresh wind]

Harder to tell with gigaros bc you should be proccing 2x curse by that point anyway lol

[ancient nebula]

Olympian curses and Olympian damage require a bit of reading on in terms of what it works or doesn't work with

[ancient nebula]

Well. Not if you get it from the pom

[broken creek]

gigaros jpom how you evade me so 😔

[fresh wind]

Yeah Ive gotten like...old grudge 4x, the one that changes your cast 2x, soul urns 1x

Never gigaros lol

[ancient nebula]

Ouch, unlucky

[pseudo badger]

do UW region 3 count the different fights as diff encounters for chaos/boon purposes?

[ancient nebula]

Yup

[pseudo badger]

when there are 3 major stuff in 1 room?

perfect, ty

[ancient nebula]

I don't love early howling soul. I got better at using thrown casts but they ain't my fav

[sturdy magnet]

I find it funny and ironic how Apollo design in Hades II is a bit similar to his counterpart design in Blood of Zeus

Golden hair, dark skin, and the earrings

[pseudo badger]

wait, if i take jpom in UW, i can't get a 2. hades buff?

[broken creek]

3 hestia boons with denial2 and no pyro tech 🥀

[broken creek]

no you can and do if you keep fw active

[pseudo badger]

then maybe i just unlucky, or missed his room

[broken creek]

chat a run got out of erebus(8 seconds left)

wait this judgment is goated

death, origination, furies, sorceress

and messenger omfg

[sturdy magnet]

Also Both voice actors voiced in a Final Fantasy game.

[pseudo badger]

are all songs at the music make available from the start to buy? or i need to fulfill some conditions to have them show up?

[buoyant matrix]

some songs aren't available from the start

[plain shale]

Are we talking about Ben starr

[timid vigil]

Sometimes it only shows up when you do additional rooms, but in my own experience that's a bit rare

[pseudo badger]

I see, ty

[sturdy magnet]

No Apollo this time

[plain shale]

Oh

That’s a mighty coincidence ya know

[sturdy magnet]

Yeah

[plain shale]

Cause Prometheus and Clive

[sturdy magnet]

Both fire-type characters

[pallid cradle]

I do not enjoy thrown casts even tho howling soul is probably one of the better cast boons in the game.

They mess with my muscle memory too much.

[fresh wind]

Agreed. The only time I actively look for ranged casts is when running Aspect of Pan

[pallid cradle]

Howling soul can be really good on Charon Axe for boss fights just because the cast will stick to ones that move around a lot but it just messes with my muscle memory because the reflex is to press cast and it drop at my feet so I'm instantly popping it with an omega special. Not waiting for it to land and possibly missing.

[fresh wind]

Yeah control scheme changing midrun can be a really momentum killer lol

[pallid cradle]

I mean it can be from the beginning of the run too. JPom.

If you're getting howling soul naturally imo it's even more of a momentum killer because now you're down to most likely your last 3-4 chambers and you just changed your moveset

[fast vortex]

howling sowl sucks cuz because it auto means you dont have deep dissent or gigaros dash

on it self its fine

i dont like it but i've got the normal cast pattern on muscle memory so im a bit biased

[blissful bane]

What counts as traps on the surface? How did I do 21k damage with them?

[fast vortex]

the statues?

dunno

[blissful bane]

I thought so too but. Surely that can't add up to 21k, right?

[prisma monolith]

isnt gigaros hades spear?

[blissful bane]

Gigaros dash is one of Hades boons

[prisma monolith]

ah

[pallid cradle]

Spirits from the things in Ephyra, fire in Ephyra and Thessaly, idk really for the other 2

[blissful bane]

Hmm true
Yeah I believe it now

[prisma monolith]

spirits from the what?

oh the ghosts

[fast vortex]

gigaros dash not spear lmao yeah

[pallid cradle]

The ghosts from the pylon things you have to release. I forget the technical term yea

I think those are considered trap damage at least. Idk what else they would be.

[prisma monolith]

anyone ever seen a trial of the gods in olympus?

[blissful bane]

I think so

[buoyant matrix]

wait

ayo

now that you mention it...

[plain shale]

Oh my godddd I haven’t even thought of that

[spare wind]

So while I was wondering that maybe someday I'll get that gud to beat the game on max fear
Now I searched it only a few people have even manage to do it in all this time💀

How crazy does max fear actually get bro

[cunning laurel]

very crazy

[broken creek]

basically you need perfect rooms, npcs, and boons with amazing execution while having no arcana

ive done 65f both ways, and im trying to get 67 but the jump from 65 -> 67 is absurd

[hearty osprey]

I adore how much Melinoe is like her father, specifically whenever we open up the chests

She just says his lines and its so perfect

[prisma monolith]

is easier than h1, but still a challenge nonetheless

[spare wind]

Probably like a crazy 2 fear Vow which makes a world of difference right?

Imo one of the best moments in Hades 2 for me now || is Zagreous vs Melinoe fight , Zagreous using death defiance , darkness and his father's spear was just so cool to watch and fight him||
Don't click the spoiler is very bad if you haven't completed the ending and further 2-3 runs

I was honestly so hyped up in this fight it was crazy lol

[prisma monolith]

yeah crazy to see him become a turtle

[cunning laurel]

it's the last level of void, so you go from 2 useful arcana and judgement to nothing

[sturdy magnet]

While Zagreus is a bit like his mother.

[hearty osprey]

Yeah, i noticed this in that one as well

[brave gate]

Hades spin off in the style of Papers Please where you play as Hades admitting new shades to the underworld

[hearty osprey]

And the moment i saw the trailer for 2, i thought "She has to be like her dad"

The classic good sequel move of "invert the previous instalment"

Although this time they added also a climb up to Olympus

Even her eyebrows remind me of Hades

[brave gate]

I hope at some point off screen Melinoë uses her incantation on Zagreus so he can visit the surface and Olympus properly

[prisma monolith]

Right? So underworld has 3 areas for trials, surface has 1

[hearty osprey]

Yeah, me gtoo

[carmine oar]

what's the surface region that has them, i don't think i've seen trials anywhere there

[prisma monolith]

Thessaly

[carmine oar]

huh.. yeah i've never gotten one there

thessaly is weird though

[prisma monolith]

Its surprisingly common from my experience

[carmine oar]

i got charybdis once my first time getting past polyphemus, and then didn't get it again until my 68th night, after completing the main story

was my last miniboss vanquished because they killed me that first time

[prisma monolith]

Do you often visit surface?

[carmine oar]

yeah

i just didn't get charybdis

[prisma monolith]

I feel like i get a miniboss pretty much every run, and is 50-50 right? Charybdis and yargo?

Or did they add another

God im so out of touch on this game

[carmine oar]

what is yargo

[hearty fog]

One of the Thessaly minibosses.

[jolly hound]

The yargonaut, the guy with the gun with a bunch of zombie stooges

[carmine oar]

i must've fought them because i've completed the prophecy for all minibosses vanquished, but i do not have any memory of fighting a yargonaut

[prisma monolith]

ill take charybdis over yargo anyday

[carmine oar]

ok looking at the logs, i first encountered charybdis on night 18, and died, and then the next time i encountered it was night 67

[brisk dirge]

hello guys!

[brisk dirge]

i hate that boss. i always die to it

[brisk dirge]

ahhhhh/.....wth is a yargo

[prisma monolith]

miniboss i thessaly

[brave gate]

Yargonaught

Pun for Jason and the Argonauts. The Argonaut was their ship. They sought the Golden Fleece

[brisk dirge]

oooh

[brisk dirge]

the gun one?

[cunning laurel]

yea the way easier one

[brave gate]

Actually the ship’s name was Argo

[brisk dirge]

argos if i am right

[brave gate]

And in the myth, Medea helps them out, so that’s why her keepsake is the “Black Fleece” lol

[brisk dirge]

with talos right?

[cunning laurel]

argus was the builder, argo is the name

[brisk dirge]

oh ok

[prisma monolith]

yeah

[brave gate]

Not sure about that. I don’t know too much about the story

[prisma monolith]

ehhh ill take charybdis over it

[cunning laurel]

yargo has 2 free attacks and takes 1/3 the time

[prisma monolith]

idk, i find charybdis significantly easier

[brisk dirge]

nope. at least i can dodge it. charybdis is annoyingly hard.

[carmine oar]

there's also like 5 argoses and arguses in greek mythology

[brave gate]

They’re both easy imo. The first few times I fought the Yargonaught I struggled cause he wasn’t in the previous versions I played but I got used to him.

And Charybdis used to be way harder in EA lol

[brisk dirge]

there is no way for me to dodge that attack where spheres fly everyway and follow you

[prisma monolith]

with the shadows, yargo is just too much bs to dodge

[brave gate]

Start on one end of the arena and run towards the other

[prisma monolith]

^

[brisk dirge]

did that. lost a dd

[prisma monolith]

theres also that one spot on the right where you can stand and you dont get hit

[brave gate]

Did you get to the starting side before he started firing?

[brisk dirge]

did anyone bought good games at the winter sale?

[brisk dirge]

i never see an area like that

[brisk dirge]

i meant Charybis attack

[prisma monolith]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/1nyqtrv/psa_how_to_overcome_bullet_hell_from_a_certain/

[brisk dirge]

bullet hell is right....nope an understatement

[prisma monolith]

you think thats bullet hell? guess you never played an actual bullet hell

[brave gate]

I know. Before he starts firing the balls, get to one side of the arena. When he starts firing, run to the other end. Once you cross the arena, you only need to dash through 1-2 shots

[brisk dirge]

tbh tha is a point

[jolly hound]

That got patched

[brisk dirge]

oh ok

[prisma monolith]

oh did it

[brisk dirge]

s h i t

[prisma monolith]

ah, running from one side to another always works for me

[brave gate]

You’ll love rivals Scylla 😭

[prisma monolith]

xd

[carmine oar]

i'm scared to turn that one on lmao. rivals hecate still kicks my ass

[brave gate]

Random bs all over the screen

[brave gate]

Have you seen the fight yet?

[prisma monolith]

i refuse to play the game without all 4 rivals, same goes for h1

[carmine oar]

yeah

that's why i'm scared

[brave gate]

If you don’t stand still it becomes a lot easier. Like I run around in a circle getting hits in when I can

[brisk dirge]

i dont want to do rivals but i have a prophecy to do it

[prisma monolith]

rivals are so fun

not to mention it makes underworld bosses not a joke

[brave gate]

Also, if you hug the edge, ||Charybdis’ tentacles|| can’t hit you with their melee

[carmine oar]

yeah. surface bosses though... oh dear lord there's so much on screen with polyphemus and it's all the same color and i can't make it out

[brave gate]

I try to always position myself behind Polyphemus

[carmine oar]

i haven't died to rivals polyphemus but i take more damage than i'd like

[brave gate]

Yup

[prisma monolith]

yeah surface bosses i can see the argument, but non rivals uw bosses are such a slop

[brave gate]

If you can get good cast damage set up on Ephyra, rivals Polyphemus becomes a lot easier

[brave gate]

Even for new players, the only ones I’ve seen give people trouble are Scylla and Chronos. Hecate is obviously easy and Cerberus is a joke

[prisma monolith]

yup

[carmine oar]

hecate gave me far more trouble than scylla ever did

[brave gate]

I wish Charon still had a boss fight

[prisma monolith]

non rival?

[carmine oar]

yeah

[prisma monolith]

wow

[carmine oar]

there was just a lot of stuff on the screen and i was still learning how hades 2 worked

[brisk dirge]

right i heard he has a boss fight at hades 1

[carmine oar]

by the time i got to scylla i had roughly got it, and scylla was easy

[brave gate]

Super difficult too when you aren’t used to it

[prisma monolith]

his equivalent in h2 isnt that easier tbh

[brave gate]

I guess it depends on how long it takes for you to eventually get to Scylla

[carmine oar]

died the first time since i was learning her attacks, and then haven't lost to scylla yet

but i haven't done rivals scylla yet

[brave gate]

Been awhile since I’ve fought Charon, but ||Zagreus|| is pretty easy in my opinion.

[prisma monolith]

i dont think i ever died to hecate, rivals howveer, def took a few dds at first

[prisma monolith]

both are around the same, hard hitting super telegraphed attacks

[brave gate]

What I’ve been doing is playing with rivals lvl4 on while not having any other hard vows enabled, so I can get used to the fights

[cunning laurel]

frenzy too right

[brave gate]

||Zagreus|| is even easier to dodge imo

[brave gate]

Not yet

[craggy totem]

They patched this in 1.1 iirc

[prisma monolith]

disagree, he has more attacks, cahron is just the slaps

[cunning laurel]

why not get used to them on frenzy 2 if youll turn it on eventually

[brave gate]

Cause I’m still getting used to the fights without frenzy

[prisma monolith]

cause ill never turn it on

[prisma monolith]

if youre planning to turn it on, theres basically no point to getting used to no frenzy attacks

all that muscle memory is gonna go to waste

hinder you even

[nimble rivet]

Rivals ||Zagreus|| when, Supergiant?

[craggy totem]

||You have to fight his entire polycule||

[brave gate]

Still learning tells and patterns though

[craggy totem]

I think learning tells and patterns is a perfectly legitimate use of slower mode

[prisma monolith]

nd you can do that with frenzy tho'

[nimble rivet]

||Nemesis returns Stygius to him|| and you just get jumped by a single person somehow

[craggy totem]

Not everybody's brain works at Mach 6, y'all :P

[cunning laurel]

that makes sense actually

[hearty fog]

You instead get 'ported to the outside of the Temple of Styx and fight ||Zag fully god-endowed after having just beaten Hades.||

[brave gate]

But I don’t want frenzy on yet 😭

[prisma monolith]

i dont use frenzy, never will, but in the offchance that i was planning to, i think it makes no sense to not use frenzy from the getgo

[nimble rivet]

||Zag is running a no boon run||

[craggy totem]

I strated with no Frenzy, upped to 1, and then finally upped to 2. It was Fine ™

[hearty fog]

Perfect play AI.

[cunning laurel]

why never use frenzy

[prisma monolith]

cause i dont like it

enemies look goofy

[craggy totem]

Secret multiplayer mode. ||You get matched against a max Heat player||

[brave gate]

I want to earn nightmare quicker so I can level up my aspects

[prisma monolith]

multiplayer mod is looking spicy tho

[nimble rivet]

Rivals Sirens go hard on Frenzy ngl

[prisma monolith]

should speed it the music

[carmine oar]

not quite scylla's tempo

[brave gate]

ARE YOU RUSHING OR ARE YOU DRAGGING

[carmine oar]

i'm actually clawing out your eyes, then drowning you to death

[brave gate]

As a motivator to turn rivals Scylla on, just know that you start getting new songs during her fight

[brisk dirge]

He has a ||rival?||

[nimble rivet]

Nope

[brisk dirge]

||Polycule?||

[nimble rivet]

Have you played Hades 1?

[brisk dirge]

Yes

[carmine oar]

yeah i can't wait to get the song that there's official sheet music for, it looks cool. please sgg release sheet music for time belongs to us i don't feel like figuring out all the time signature stuff going on in there

[carmine oar]

well i have to wait, for my controller to charge

[brisk dirge]

How to do the cut line thing

[carmine oar]

put ~~ on both sides of the text

[brisk dirge]

Ok thx!

[carmine oar]

maybe i could start writing down whatever is going on with the time signature in time belongs to us...

[brave gate]

And PLEASE give us a version that includes the vocals to play at the music maker 😭

[brave gate]

Also, * on each side does italics and ** on each side does bold

[crude dragon]

And 3 does both

[brave gate]

~test~

[crude dragon]

Two tildes for strikethrough

[brave gate]

Wanted to see if just one squiggly did anything lol

[brave gate]

Yeah I know

Was just testing 1

[carmine oar]

and then spoiler is || on each side

[brave gate]

Oh you can do underline as well with __

And you can add that to bold and italics

@carmine oar did you play Hades 1?

[carmine oar]

yeah, only things i haven't done is max every keepsake and 32 heat

i'll get to it eventually, just figured i procrastinated hades 2 long enough and started it last week

and now i have 52 hours..

[brave gate]

Gotcha. Was gonna say that, if you hadn’t played it, maybe that’s why Hecate was harder for you

[brave gate]

I got all achievements and everything but the one thing I didn’t do was 32 heat

But my play time is exactly 99.9hr so I kind of want to never open it again so it stays like that lol

[carmine oar]

oh actually there's 2 achievements i haven't done, max every keepsake, and then harsh conditions prophecy

but harsh conditions is easy, just have to do a few runs

except for styx and heightened security...

[brave gate]

What’s the harsh conditions prophecy again ?

Oh win with every pact?

[carmine oar]

win with each of the pact of punishment thingies

[brave gate]

Yuh

[brisk dirge]

hi

[brave gate]

The extra trap damage is only a big issue during the Hades fight cause the soul urns count as traps

Then they one shot you

[crude dragon]

Really glad they didn't bring back an equivalent to Heightened Security in this game

[carmine oar]

they don't do damage unless you put on EM4 iirc

[brisk dirge]

Harsh conditions?

[carmine oar]

achievement/prophecy in hades 1

[crude dragon]

Win with each PoP clause (across multiple runs)

[brave gate]

To be fair, traps are less of an issue in Hades 2 in general

[brave gate]

I’m pretty sure I remember them always doing damage. Let me check

[carmine oar]

CLAUSE that's the word. i could not remember that word and went with thingies 😭

[brisk dirge]

I haven't been able to get past night 29 at Hades 1. For some reason steam link does not work well with it even though it is the one that suggested it for that game. And hades 2 that does not have it runs good (touch wood)

[brisk dirge]

Oh God....even with extreme?

[brave gate]

Yeah they do damage even without extreme measures. Just checked

[carmine oar]

you don't have to do them all at once, you can do one at a time

[crude dragon]

Yeah, you can just toss on level 1 versions of each clause. It doesn't have to be maxed

[carmine oar]

ah, i guess i just havent noticed it in the past, only get hit by them every now and then

[brave gate]

Hades 1 uses a lot more storage since Zagreus and other characters are 2d models with a ton of pre pre-rendered sprites so maybe that’s why

Hades 2 uses 3d models

[carmine oar]

oh my god i've figured out the time signature for the chorus of time belongs to us

[carmine oar]

it does 3 bars of 5/8 then a bar of 6/8, and repeat

[prisma monolith]

whatever that means, im sure is something cool

[buoyant matrix]

why is there math in music

[carmine oar]

music is math at its core

[prisma monolith]

theres math in everythign

[buoyant matrix]

😨

[carmine oar]

soundwaves

[brave gate]

Which song is that

[carmine oar]

end credits to hades 2

[brave gate]

There’s actually a positive correlation between math skills and music skills. Putting kids in music lessons when they’re younger greatly helps with their math

Same part of the brain

[brisk dirge]

Ooooh

[prisma monolith]

im actually dissapointd this song isnt called "all are one" or "moonlight guide us"

[brisk dirge]

And yep hades was 4 gb lower than hades 2

And yet hades is 10 gb and Hades 2 is 14 gb for me I think.

[brave gate]

?

[carmine oar]

agreed

[brisk dirge]

Yep. I remember it was 10 and hades 2 was 14 I thjnk

[brave gate]

Should be the other way around

[carmine oar]

hades 1 is 11gb hades 2 is 10, just checked on my device

[brisk dirge]

Maybe I saw it wrong? I remember grumbling that hades 2 was taking more space when the Internet said it was lower

[brave gate]

I have no idea how Steam Link works

[prisma monolith]

steam link lets you play your steam games on yo phone

[brisk dirge]

It connects your phone to your computer making your phone act like a controller

[brisk dirge]

The thing is the steam app on the laptop has to be on every time

Can't play it when offline

[brave gate]

Have you tried playing without steam link to see if Hades 1 will work? If not, maybe you just need to uninstall the game and reinstall it because the files got messed up or something

[prisma monolith]

yeah the pc is still the one running the games, youre just sharing the screen to your phone

[brisk dirge]

The thing is I am not good with keyboard to play and the game works just the steam link seems to not work properly. Like it delays a lot and I almost lost night 29 to the lava. I decided to restart the night

[brave gate]

Do you own an Xbox or PlayStation controller?

[prisma monolith]

i mean, steam link is just for the off chance that youre not at home, not really to be used as a controller lol

[carmine oar]

or switch pro controller, really any controller

[brave gate]

You could probably find an Xbox 1 controller for really cheap. I used my Xbox 1 controller for Hades 1

[prisma monolith]

yeah walmart can probably get you a controller for really cheap

[brave gate]

But I use my PS5 controller for Hades 2 since I can’t find my Xbox ones lol

[carmine oar]

i used my switch pro controller for both games and it's been really nice

[brisk dirge]

Cant afford

[carmine oar]

i used mouse and keyboard for most of hades 1 actually, then i tried out controller and haven't gone back

[prisma monolith]

yeah no mate, steam link really isnt a controller

[brave gate]

The PS5 controller lights up for the color of the god you’re receiving a boon from 😫

It was so cool to discover that

[carmine oar]

IT WHAT

oh i need to try that tomorrow when i'm back at my dad's house

[prisma monolith]

i swear we have someone every week say that, and someone else suprised is a thing

[brave gate]

I first noticed when it turned red while talking to Hestia. I thought my controller was on low battery or something.

But then I realized what was happening what it turned paw yellow for Zeus

[brisk dirge]

Really???

[prisma monolith]

yeah

[brave gate]

@carmine oar one sec I’ll upload a pic to Imgur so I can link it

[prisma monolith]

theres plenty on reddit

[brave gate]

https://imgur.com/a/DTrYurv

My window was messing with the lighting when I took this, but Apollo makes it light up a pale peach

[carmine oar]

oh that's cool

[brisk dirge]

Gimme

[brisk dirge]

None. I can't afford it. Also if I bought one where am I gonna hide it? My parents will kill me if they know I am playing games

[prisma monolith]

then just gonna have to accept youre playing very under optimal circumstances

sorry about that tho, is playing that bad for your parents?

[brave gate]

These are all the colors:

• Apollo > pale peach
• Zeus > pale yellow
• Hera > blue
• Poseidon > light blue/cyan
• Hestia > red
• Demeter > pale purple
• Aphrodite > pink (ofc)
• Hephaestus > orange
• Ares > blood red (ofc)
• Artemis > green
• Hermes > light orange
• Hades > pale red
• Chaos > Indigo?
• Dionysus > purple
• Athena > sort of a pale purple + yellow
• Daedalus hammer > white

[brave gate]

Maybe I you can get caught with drugs so the video games are that bad in comparison /j

[prisma monolith]

lmao

are you playing games?!??
no mom, just drugs!

[brave gate]

Also, it should be considered a CRIME that Chronos doesn’t make the controller light up gold

[prisma monolith]

well you dont get boons from chronos

[brisk dirge]

Lmao

[brave gate]

I know but it’s not like that arbitrary rule is necessary

[brave gate]

Is it video games in general or specifically Hades? Cause I can imagine some religious parents not liking hades

[prisma monolith]

sounds like games in general

[brisk dirge]

Video games in general. I play mobile games at Secure folder hidden cause my mom has a app inside which tells her what apps I use and how much I use it

[prisma monolith]

thats crazy man

[brave gate]

Dang. Sorry to hear that

[brisk dirge]

This happened after getting caught playing games the 12 th time

Just 3 months ago

[brave gate]

Ironically, a similar circumstance to Zagreus in Hades 1 😭

[brisk dirge]

I have since evolved above it

[brisk dirge]

IKR

I pray she never finds this (touch wood) let's see how long this lasts (touch wood)

[brave gate]

You’d think finding out you play video games 12 times with while not being dead or failing in life would make them realize they aren’t bad but I guess not

[brave gate]

Is “this” discord or hades ?

[craggy totem]

My parents were like that, but the amount of digital surveillance that's available these days is a lot more daunting than it was back in my day. Sorry to hear.

[brisk dirge]

The hidden games in general. Oh and one thing I download steam games into my usb so that it does not appear in the computer's storage

[craggy totem]

If it's any consolation, as you can see, it builds creativity :P

[brave gate]

That’s crazy

[prisma monolith]

thats not consolation 🙁

[brisk dirge]

Tbh I do fail. The prob I have with games is that I get too into those games I would forget anything else

[brisk dirge]

Tbh it does. I have to find creative ways to play games

[brave gate]

I don’t understand why some parents think video games are the worst thing possible. It’s like if you treated the radio as the spawn of Satan when it was first invented.

Each generation is gonna have new forms of media

[prisma monolith]

alternatively, sounds like a great time to learn how to game with mnk

it cant be worse than steam link

[brisk dirge]

True. But spending money on games which can be used for other things would be terrible for my mother to find out

[brave gate]

You’re gonna be wilding with games when you finally leave the house

Full freedom to play Mario 😭

[brave gate]

All money spent could be spent on other things. Recreation and art are important

[prisma monolith]

tell her you got it for free ina giveaway, ez

[carmine oar]

also videogames have been popular for like half a century, like pong is older than my parents, my dad is a gamer.

[brave gate]

“Mr. Beast showed up earlier today 🧍‍♂️”

[brave gate]

Your dad top 1 NA Pong player fr

[carmine oar]

nah he's more of a nintendo person

[prisma monolith]

would your mom be ok if a stranger gifted you a controller? ill gladly ship you one mate

[brisk dirge]

Tbh by the time my mom allows me to play games, the ones I want would be obsolete. She says I can play these games anytime. Sure maybe but not games like Genshin or Hsr with their updates, silksong or hollow Knight which can be outed by another game, and others which get trashed by the newer gen games

[hearty fog]

Any time someone gives you yang about video games and whether or not they're art/worth spending time experiencing, link them this song. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf6vg4jMvhY

[brisk dirge]

If it is a gift she will not do anything about it. A gift is a gift she says.....wait what?

[brisk dirge]

Like hell. She will google it and find out

[brisk dirge]

I could have used the money I used to buy Baldur's gate 3 on a whole day of food here

[brave gate]

Most games don’t become obsolete. I just started playing Hollow Knight this week and I love it.

And I’ll regularly start playing older games. I played Metroid Fusion (a GBA game) about a year or two ago and had lots of fun

[hearty fog]

Some games age.

[brisk dirge]

Right

[carmine oar]

i re-played lego marvel superheroes earlier this year and loved it so much, 100%ed it, though there may be some childhood nostalgia in that one

[brisk dirge]

My brain goes to that new games tbh. I once took a vow never to play anything other than gacha games around the time genshin released.......been broken so many times I don't think even grains remain

[brave gate]

That’s definitely true and I don’t know your circumstances. However, as I’ve mentioned, recreation is important. And video games are one of the most cost efficient ways of it since they can give you so many hours. Especially Baldurs Gate since it’s a one time purchase for 100s of hours of entertainment.

Compared to buying a movie ticket to occupy a couple hours

[brave gate]

Lego games always hold up

[carmine oar]

i love ace attorney, the first game was released in 2001, it's still peak

[carmine oar]

i bought star wars the complete saga during the winter sale and i'm gonna play it once i finish hades 2

[brave gate]

One of my all time favorite games is Final Fantasy Tactics Advanced 2 and that released in 2007

[brisk dirge]

Hopefully baldur does not disappoint. The prob is it had been 2 days it is barely 38 percent downloaded

[brave gate]

I promise you it won’t. It’s insanely good

[brave gate]

Turn off any programs you may have running in the background to make it go faster

[brisk dirge]

All are important ones I think

I dunno which exact ones to off. Ironically I studied computer science

[brisk dirge]

Thanks

Anyone wanna tell me about Baldur? Like can I meet other players in it(

[brave gate]

Yeah but when you aren’t actively using the laptop you can have it downloading

[brisk dirge]

True. But I once offed something and the computer shut itself down

[brisk dirge]

I am going to bed and gonna get the game download as.much as it can for the next 4 hours

[brave gate]

There’s co-op but you typically invite friends you know. There is a public party/lobby browser but I don’t recommend it

[brisk dirge]

Gonna go vacation.....today

[brisk dirge]

Oooh

The game uses 2014 rules right?

[carmine oar]

artemis is too quiet i can't figure out her notes grr.

[brisk dirge]

Also anyone here plays where winds meet?

[brisk dirge]

?

[brave gate]

She doesn’t want you plagiarizing her lol

[carmine oar]

i'm trying to transcribe the song in the end credits to hades 2, since there's no free sheet music available for it yet.

[brisk dirge]

The one where artemis and apollo sings?

It was so good

[carmine oar]

yeah

[brisk dirge]

Can't you listen to it when Artemis is at the crossroads? With words?

[carmine oar]

OH my god you're right

[brisk dirge]

When we can sing together with her?

[carmine oar]

forgot that was a thing 😭 i was blowing out my ear drums raising the volume trying to hear one specific note

[brisk dirge]

I always let Melinoe to sing with her when I hear the song

[brisk dirge]

Lmao. Well good.luck!

Hopefully as thanks you will send the song here so we all can enjoy it

[carmine oar]

i'm just writing down the vocals and maybe the chords, nothing fancy

[brisk dirge]

Well now you have a way to get the words without needing to crank up the volume and go deaf 🤣

[carmine oar]

artemis sings apollos part in the crossroads (she sings the higher part when apollo is there, lower part when it's melinoe), so i have to listen to mel, but hopefully it'll be easier

nope i'm wrong

[brisk dirge]

Right.....wait how have you been listening to the song if you didn't remember about the Mel singing part?

Just listening when it plays at the crossroads?

[carmine oar]

youtube

[brisk dirge]

Oh

I do love that song though. Does the song ghost have that track?

[carmine oar]

oh my god this is so much easier to listen thank you so much, completely forgot artemis sang it in the crossroads

[carmine oar]

no idea

[brave gate]

Yes. Just without vocals

[carmine oar]

there i've got the vocals for the chorus, just have to do the rest of the song

mel sings apollo's part up an octave

[brave gate]

I know what a Tri-tone is so there’s that

[brisk dirge]

T_T

[brisk dirge]

Np. I always love helping a friend

[chilly loom]

Does anyone know the exact rule with blessing of strife? sometimes im abiove 30 and she doesnt show up post erebus but will post scylla

[brave gate]

I apologize Erymanthian Boar with Shadow Wards. I wasn't familiar with your game

[brave gate]

It's basically there for when the game thinks you're progressing too fast. So you're at the point where it doesn't think being in Oceanus is going too fast

[real aurora]

FAR BE IT FOR ME TO ATTEMPT RIVALS POLY

I GOT ABSOLUTELY WAXED

[devout cairn]

just dont get hit

[crude dragon]

She only appears in Oceanus on the first two nights

And then I think she moves to Tartarus on night 7 or 8?

[broken creek]

Shes in every region for a couple nights, progressively she'll move down to a different floor so you can get farther without triggering her

And her spawning iirc is >=50% hp?? I forget i havent done fresh file in a hot minute

[jolly hound]

Run it back, you got this. If you get poisoned, don’t panic, and don’t run towards a fountain that’s surrounded by goons, you have five fountains in the arena

[crude dragon]

Be at 50% or less at the start of a region (which means leaving the boss fight with less than 30% because of the fountain)

Also no DDs

[broken creek]

Yuh, so you can actually avoid her alltogether early on

Which I do appreciate

[hearty fog]

I just never ran into Eris on my main and current file. 🙃

June 2024: "What are you talking about? You don't see Eris downstairs, she's the current final upstairs boss."

[tribal wharf]

What's the best mana regen boon that would be able to "keep up" with something like Possessed Array on Medea?

[broken creek]

Born gain/flood gain iirc

[tribal wharf]

My understanding is that Apollo or Hera are generally the "best"

Ah

[broken creek]

Apollo cant keep up with possessed array lol, its not potent enough for how fast array triggers

[brisk dirge]

Ikr? Same with me

[jolly hound]

It almost can if you’re running jpom. Born gain prob your best bet

[split shuttle]

yeah born gain is the best for parray

it's worth even deactivating jpom just to have a chance of getting it

[brisk dirge]

I really wanna know that. Also any good boons for Anubis and Shiva Attack, special, rush and cast boons

[brisk dirge]

You can parry?

[brisk dirge]

I hate born gain tbh

[broken creek]

Anubis wants on hit attacks and % specials, Shiva just wants big % iirc

[jolly hound]

Shorthand for possessed array

[brisk dirge]

Oh. What is possessed array actually

[broken creek]

Then your standard rush and cast stuff follows

[jolly hound]

A skull hammer that whenever you pick up a skull you launch an omega attack at the cost of 25 mana

[brisk dirge]

O_O which boons you recommend

[split shuttle]

born gain allows parray to continuously activate making it op af

[brisk dirge]

Oh. That one

[broken creek]

Hestia/posiedon for on hit, big % i tend to lean towards hera/apollo

[split shuttle]

u forgot zeus

[broken creek]

Oh true

[split shuttle]

zeus is the best one of em all

[broken creek]

He can go literally anywhere and its amazing

[brisk dirge]

Doesn't it make you prime the magickwhen you run out of it?

[hearty fog]

Born Gain Primes you out super quickly, Flood Gain is the best for Possessed Array.

[broken creek]

Very negligible amounts that goes back to normal the very next room

[split shuttle]

yeah so? just get a lot of magick

take silver wheel ez game

[brisk dirge]

Demeter works for attack?

[brisk dirge]

Except in boss figjtz

[split shuttle]

i mean if ur running jpom anything works

[broken creek]

Yeah but they die before it matters

[broken creek]

Umm I wouldnt do demeter for anubis but Shiva sure, but demeter leans more on a safer side compared to Apollo or hera which will be better damage

[split shuttle]

plus u can solve it by just taking more magick

[brisk dirge]

The prob is I more to lean towards other rewards of I have magick preview. Like if heart and magick I take heart. Ash well I take magick. If boon then nope I am.skipping magick. Same with coins

[brisk dirge]

I usually run with the tooth at final boss. What does the jpom do again?

Give a hades boon right?

[broken creek]

+4 to every boon for not having rerolls or using god trinkets

[split shuttle]

plus free 4 lvls on every pommable boon, u take it at the start

[jolly hound]

If you’re playing possessed array, then plan around it and take the mana. Born gain with 100 mana and 20 to refill is net 300 mana, but at 200 mana it comes out to like 1100 or so total mana. It grows exponentially

[brisk dirge]

So hestia or poseidon for attack, apollo or hera for special if anubis

[split shuttle]

don't forget zeus

[brisk dirge]

The prob is I suck at Medea

[broken creek]

Yuh, zeus can also go anywhere

[split shuttle]

any non hel skull has parray

[brisk dirge]

And I need to use it for a prophecy

[brisk dirge]

Welll I like hel tbh

[broken creek]

I need hel hammers to be useful besides the armor shred and the shimmering moonshot attack

[brisk dirge]

Zeus works? Blitz does way less damage than scorch

[split shuttle]

bro what

[broken creek]

Blitz is the best curse in the game

And its not close

[split shuttle]

nah man blitz is the best thing in the entire game

[broken creek]

Every single weapon benefits massively from it

[spare wind]

I know blitz is amazing but it's the best?

[split shuttle]

yes

[broken creek]

Yeah its not even a conversation

[split shuttle]

its the goat

[brisk dirge]

Sorry. Once did a blitz and scorch run. Maybe I did something wrong

[broken creek]

200+ damage thats speed is determined by your own damage is insane

[brisk dirge]

T_T

[carmine oar]

i'm gonna have to give it another shot then, i kinda ignored it because having to wait 4 seconds is a lot, most stuff dies before then.

[split shuttle]

plus blitz scales with global dmg boosts like furies and orig so it's absolute cracked

[spare wind]

Oh dang
I have been using the 2 books mostly for attack pair
Your attack inflicte scortch
Your scortch effects are faster

Although I still like blitz

[brisk dirge]

I did use the coat for my blitz run

[broken creek]

The whole point is that it triggers after you deal damage 😭

Do yall not read the tooltips

[spare wind]

Time to give zeus's keepsake a bit more attention then

[brisk dirge]

Right. I used those for my scorch runs. Sorry ny bad

[split shuttle]

did u forget the 120 dmg proc for blitz

[brisk dirge]

Furies? Oh the arcana

[brisk dirge]

Nope

[split shuttle]

hades 2 players trying to read: impossible

[carmine oar]

yeah? don't you have to wait 4 seconds for it to proc? or is that something else zeus

[broken creek]

No 😭

[spare wind]

[split shuttle]

u can proc it by dealing 120 dmg also

[broken creek]

Deal 120 damage and it pops

[brisk dirge]

Proc?

[split shuttle]

activate

[carmine oar]

how did i miss that..

[spare wind]

Activate

[broken creek]

Thats the whole reason its crazy, its gated by your own damage and speed exclusively

[split shuttle]

read more carefully next time

[brisk dirge]

The fact I have to do 120 damage for it to activate

[broken creek]

Thats nothing...

[brisk dirge]

So use it on a speedy weapon.....anubis is out

[broken creek]

120 damage happens so fast 😭

[split shuttle]

there are lots of things that u can do to deal 120 dmg

bro omega attack exists

omega special exists

[brisk dirge]

Hard to spam it every time

[broken creek]

No use it on literally everything unless zeus just isnt showing up

[split shuttle]

casts exist

[brisk dirge]

O_O

[spare wind]

Can't you get 120 damage on a single hit if you use your cast and 2 curses cards?

That's +80% damage

[split shuttle]

if u have a dmg cast then yeah

[spare wind]

But yeah depends alot you can get even more

[brisk dirge]

The 2 curses cards is Origination right? I never off it

[crude dragon]

Anubis OSpecial:

[spare wind]

You can proc the +50% damage on 2 curse card
I use it this way:-
Demeter's gust + hestia scortch on cast

[brisk dirge]

I want a boon for it's attack tk work

[spare wind]

That's just passive +50% damage in casts and if you add athena's damage cast boon to it , it gets crazy

[brisk dirge]

I love Hestia/Demeter boons

[split shuttle]

if ur too lazy to omega attack static shock can activate blitz in two hits

[crude dragon]

You can have Blitz attack and a different special, homie

[brisk dirge]

Oooh

[crude dragon]

Blitz procs don't care where the damage comes from, just that you do enough

[split shuttle]

omega attack by itself can activate blitz in one hit

plus it lasts for like what 5 seconds so u get free blitz procs

[spare wind]

I remember this cast build although only did it once
Demeter's Epic cast Gust
Scortch cast lvl 5 heroic
Athena's Cast damage Epic
+50% damage 2 curse
+30% cast damage

Didnt even need to hit the cast was crazy lol

[brisk dirge]

Anubis?

[split shuttle]

yeah

[spare wind]

I ignored the 2 curses card in start but it's one of the best imo